Wrestling

[3dman27]

also has anyone else noticed how cut and trim Trish has looked in the past couple of weeks, a few monthes ago, she was a bit soft in the mid section, but now she's really cut.
i notced that too in fact i didn't think it WAS trish at first

[Hunter Rider]

Or it might be Orton vs. Batista for the title

I cant see HHH vs Batista not happening at WM now

[Goldenage Batman]

Did anyone hear what Snitsky asked Kane when they were down in the rubble? It was really one of the worst things I've seen since Ken Shamrock told Ryan Shamrock "slap me." Snitsky was supposed to be like unconscious, but he kept making all these goofy faces and was talking to Kane. What an idiot.

Also, how did that match get main event booking over Jericho vs Benoit?

I saw that all I could saw was wow they f!#k up on this one and I bet the Camra guy will be canned....Jericho won but it wasn't the main event...

[WildChild]

Orton will lose at the Rumble and Batista will win sending him to wrestlemania to face Triple H.But where does that leave young Randy Orton?I belive he will face
The Rock at Mania.

[Hunter Rider]

Orton will lose at the Rumble and Batista will win sending him to wrestlemania to face Triple H.But where does that leave young Randy Orton?I belive he will face
The Rock at Mania.

okay that sounds cool but what makes you think that ?

[WildChild]

okay that sounds cool but what makes you think that ?
Don't ask questions,just go with it:D

[Hunter Rider]

Don't ask questions,just go with it:D

LOL actually according to this (http://www.wrestlezone.com/article.php?articleid=108080709) it may be orton vs undertaker

[Goldenage Batman]

Canadiens really hates Shawn Michaels don't they...?.......He bet probably the greatest wrestler of all time(Bret Heart)...but that was long ago....

[WildChild]

LOL actually according to this (http://www.wrestlezone.com/article.php?articleid=108080709) it may be orton vs undertaker
Ew, that would be horrible Unless Randy destroys Taker.

[3dman27]

any ladies matches set up for the rumble yet

[The Techno Bat]

"only lady on the ladies roster," my foot

MOLLY HOLLY IS twice the lady AND wrestler than trish :hyper:

I was being sarcastic, thus the sarcastic smile. I know there are other women on the roster, but it seems lately all they want to feature is Trish Stratus. If I was in charge I would give the strap back to Victoria

[The Techno Bat]

What if Batista wins the Rumble and jumps ship to Smackdown to face The WWE Champion? It had me thinking after he and HHH were talking last night and said that HHH was the world champion and he wouldn't want to fight the world champion. So I think if Batista wins, he is going to smackdown...

[Donnie Darko]

I obviously love Randy Orton. He's been one of my favorites since he joined Evolution, but I don't know where he is really going to fit into everything. I mean, it's like they want to push him to the title again, but Batista vs HHH is getting a better response. Also, if Orton wins the belt and then they push Batista for a shot, I bet he wins the crowd over almost completely, leading their new top face, Orton, kinda left out.

[0neDisturbedSOB]

Maybe they'll do another 3 way at WM21 between HHH, Orton and Batista. I think it's pretty much a lock that Batista will win the rumble this year.

[jackcool]

I honestly hope that doesn't happen. I hated it when they did that last year, particularly the reasoning behind it. I think it would be good enough just having Triple H vs. Batista or Triple H vs Orton, no need to make it a triple threat match IMO.

[0neDisturbedSOB]

Well if they're going to build any inter-brand feuds they'd better start now. I'm guessing they'll do it right after the rumble with certain stars saying "so and so from RAW eliminated me" which will cause them to have a match at WM...sort of what Austin and Lesnar/Goldberg had last year.

[The Techno Bat]

It would be great to have an unknown win the royal rumble just for that shock value and to put one over on all us fans that were not expecting it. Like say have The Hurricane win it. That would be a huge shock, and I don't think that any of us would be able to say I saw that one coming...*Only in my dreams though* Oh well Batista is the obvious pick, which is great, but it could come at another event.

[WildChild]

I honestly hope that doesn't happen. I hated it when they did that last year, particularly the reasoning behind it. I think it would be good enough just having Triple H vs. Batista or Triple H vs Orton, no need to make it a triple threat match IMO.
I really liked the Triple Threat last year.My friends and I watched it and were screaming our heads off for Triple H to tap to the crossface and when he did it was sweet.I thought that Three way was vary well booked last year.

[3dman27]

hurricane winning the rumble? i could go for that

[Hunter Rider]

i just want the snitzky/kane and taker/heidenriech feuds to end they are the worst ever and kane blows as a face

[Donnie Darko]

hurricane winning the rumble? i could go for that

I could too. I think they should let a SD superstar win the Rumble because right now it just seems like Raw is so much more hyped and over than SD. Everyone talks about how SD needs more talent/big names on its roster, so I think winning the Rumble over 15 Raw stars would be great for any SD star.

[Goldenage Batman]

I hoped that when Snitzky missed up Kane way back when....he would come back old an school stlye look with his mask back on....Kinda like Taker did at WM20....

[jackcool]

Well if they're going to build any inter-brand feuds they'd better start now. I'm guessing they'll do it right after the rumble with certain stars saying "so and so from RAW eliminated me" which will cause them to have a match at WM...sort of what Austin and Lesnar/Goldberg had last year.

Well in Survivor Series it looked like they were setting up some. Like I remembered hearing that Heidenreich and Gene Snitzsky encountered each other, and that implied that those two might fight each other in WM 21 (shudder)....I think there was one more meeting between a SD and Raw wrestler in that PPV, but I can't remember at the time :confused: :(

[jackcool]

I could too. I think they should let a SD superstar win the Rumble because right now it just seems like Raw is so much more hyped and over than SD. Everyone talks about how SD needs more talent/big names on its roster, so I think winning the Rumble over 15 Raw stars would be great for any SD star.

Yep. The problem is, a SD wrestler has won the RUmble for the past two years (Benoit and Lesner), so it might be a bit repetitious to have another SD wrestler win it again. Although, I could definitely see Cena win the thing, setting up a match between him and JBL for WM 21. Besides Cena, I really don't know of any other SD wrestler for JBL to fight in WM :confused:

[Sabretooth]

I wish Heidenreich would get lost and they would let Undertaker into the rumble.I keep thinking of him and HBK having a confrontation.

[The Batman]

man, i wish Taker were in the rumble. I wanted him to whoop snitsky, since his brother apparently cant get the job done

Why does kane have to destroy himself to destroy snitsky?

[The Techno Bat]

man, i wish Taker were in the rumble. I wanted him to whoop snitsky, since his brother apparently cant get the job done

Why does kane have to destroy himself to destroy snitsky?

Vince has a huge hard on for BIG GUYS like Snitsky and Hiedenrich....

The WWE needs to push the real talent like the cruiserweights. Has anybody caught the matches that Aiko and Paul London have been having on Velocity? Those two are off the charts!

[3dman27]

yeah forget the steroid boys focus on the cruiserweights

[jackcool]

Vince has a huge hard on for BIG GUYS like Snitsky and Hiedenrich....

The WWE needs to push the real talent like the cruiserweights. Has anybody caught the matches that Aiko and Paul London have been having on Velocity? Those two are off the charts!

Unfortunately, the WWE just doesn't care about the cruiserweights. The only one they actually did care about was Rey Mysterio, and they're making him more of a heavyweight now.

[Hunter Rider]

I think the WWE needs to start getting back to the basics of good in ring wrestling and stop hiring all these big planks,Not one of them so far has had a clue.
I think Randy may Win at RR and face HBK at mania with HHH vs Batista in a street fight with Austin as the ref.
I agree the wwe needs to start using guys like London,hurricane and tajiri properly but you can't blame them for pushing Rey higher

[jackcool]

The problem is, like it's been said before, Vince just loves those big guys who have nothing but muscle mass and tattoos and not much else. He's always loved them and nothing's gonna stop him from that. And it's not helping that the people behind bring wrestlers up are nothing but yes-men for Vince.

But I agree, I would rather see a Akio versus Paul London match on Smackdown than another crappy match involving John Heidenreich.

[Hunter Rider]

The problem is, like it's been said before, Vince just loves those big guys who have nothing but muscle mass and tattoos and not much else. He's always loved them and nothing's gonna stop him from that. And it's not helping that the people behind bring wrestlers up are nothing but yes-men for Vince.

But I agree, I would rather see a Akio versus Paul London match on Smackdown than another crappy match involving John Heidenreich.

yeah vince needs to start looking more closely at the performances and crowd resposes to the matches snitzky and heidenriech are in,honestly it is like going back to the past for the taker,wrestling big dumb monsters like in the old days when he had to fight the likes of kamala and giant gonzalez

[3dman27]

I think the WWE needs to start getting back to the basics of good in ring wrestling and stop hiring all these big planks,Not one of them so far has had a clue.
I think Randy may Win at RR and face HBK at mania with HHH vs Batista in a street fight with Austin as the ref.
I agree the wwe needs to start using guys like London,hurricane and tajiri properly but you can't blame them for pushing Rey higher
maybe its time mr macmahon retired and sold the wwe to someone who knows wrestling is NOT just about the steroid boys :hyper:

[Metamorpho1977]

they need to bring back Hacksaw Jim Duggan, Vince owes him a title shot. He won the very first Royal Rumble and still hasn't gotten his title shot.

[The Techno Bat]

they need to bring back Hacksaw Jim Duggan, Vince owes him a title shot. He won the very first Royal Rumble and still hasn't gotten his title shot.

HOOOOOOO............

[Nightwalker69]

yes and taker was in the rumble then snekscey would get his but wooped.

[Nightwalker69]

hacksaw jim is proboly to old to wrestle any more but if he is not to old then that would be cool.because he does deserve it.

[Nightwalker69]

I think the WWE needs to start getting back to the basics of good in ring wrestling and stop hiring all these big planks,Not one of them so far has had a clue.
I think Randy may Win at RR and face HBK at mania with HHH vs Batista in a street fight with Austin as the ref.
I agree the wwe needs to start using guys like London,hurricane and tajiri properly but you can't blame them for pushing Rey higher

it has gone to fare for them to go back they canot any more.

[0neDisturbedSOB]

So is it pretty much agreed that we're leaning towards a HHH VS Batista match at WM21 over a HHH VS Randy Orton match?

BTW anyone catch HHH on Howard Stern's E! show the other night? that was funny what he said about Hogan and his movies.

[Donnie Darko]

what did HHH say about Hogan and his movies?

[zer00]

I missed him on Stern but I did here what he said about Hogan's movies on conan.

[0neDisturbedSOB]

what did HHH say about Hogan and his movies?

He said he wished he could've talked to Hogan and asked him how he approached each one of his movie roles so he (HHH) would know what NOT to do in his movies. He said Hogan is responsible for some of the world's worst movies but that he doesn't blame him because at least he was getting paid and now he lives in a big mansion.

He seemed like a pretty level headed guy, nothing like his character. The funniest was the look on HHH's face when he saw that fan on the robospanker in a pink thong.

[Donnie Darko]

I liked Blade Trinity all right, but it has nothing on No Holds Barred.

[DOG LIPS]

Hogan- "What's that smell???"
Driver- "D----Dookie."
Hogan- "Dookie??!!!"

[DOG LIPS]

I miss the good ol' days when they had all the gangs. Those were the freakin days.
Nation of Domination, DX, Los Borriquas, Right to Censor, Undertaker's gang. What was Undertaker's gang called again? :confused:

[Donnie Darko]

ok, I'm pissed. They have a really talented wrestler in Akio, but they made him job to Scotty Too Hotty.

Also, how do they decide who wrestlers who in these qualifying matches? I mean, Scotty Too Hotty vs Akio then Cena vs Dupree. That doesn't seem very balanced.

[Hunter Rider]

I miss the good ol' days when they had all the gangs. Those were the freakin days.
Nation of Domination, DX, Los Borriquas, Right to Censor, Undertaker's gang. What was Undertaker's gang called again? :confused:

the ministry of darkness:doom:

[DOG LIPS]

Ah yes. Those were the freakin dizzo's. :(

[DOG LIPS]

Oh yeah, I forgot that gang of freaks! Why can't I remember the names???

[Hunter Rider]

Oh yeah, I forgot that gang of freaks! Why can't I remember the names???

the oddities or something like that i think

[DOG LIPS]

Yup.. (I looked it up.) :D

Anyway... Evolution would be a good 'gang' if it weren't just two wrestlers and an old geezer. Plus the two wrestlers are bickering all the time. Bring back Tatanka, damnit. :(

[Hunter Rider]

Yup.. (I looked it up.) :D

Anyway... Evolution would be a good 'gang' if it weren't just two wrestlers and an old geezer. Plus the two wrestlers are bickering all the time. Bring back Tatanka, damnit. :(

tatanka............god i miss the way bobby the brain heenan used to comentate on him

[Sabretooth]

God Mysterio needs to lose the ''619 Cam'' it really gets on me nerves.:(

[Sabretooth]

Damn,just watching this RAW rebound makes me sad because Orton might be fighting HHH at WM21.:(


I mean,all Orton is is,''You took everything away from me,and I want it all back!'' blah blah blah. In short WM21 will suck if he's in the main event.I mean he was entertaining at first but now he's just boring and repetitive.Alot like John Cena is sometimes.

Batista just proves what WWE should've done with Orton.Take it slow,but noooooooo.

[Hunter Rider]

it'll be either batista vs HHH at mania for the title or if randy wins at rumble randy vs HBK for the title.Theres no way randy will get a shot at the rumble and mania

[Donnie Darko]

I was so pissed when he first won it, but I really do love JBL as champ. I mean, I would be more than happy to see Angel with the title again, but I love JBL's whole angle.

[Hunter Rider]

I was so pissed when he first won it, but I really do love JBL as champ. I mean, I would be more than happy to see Angel with the title again, but I love JBL's whole angle.

the JBL character is good but his wrestling is so dull it hurts imo

[Donnie Darko]

maybe it will be HHH vs Batista at WM, and for the title... Orton vs Edge?

[Hunter Rider]

maybe it will be HHH vs Batista at WM, and for the title... Orton vs Edge?

orton vs edge is possible

[The Techno Bat]

Nothing against Scotty TOO Hotty, glad he has recovered and is healthy, but that freaking worm move has got to go! ! ! And why does he get to beat Aiko? Aiko has been doing some amazing work lately.

[jackcool]

Yeah, the Worm definitely is an overused move. It was funny the first 10000 time I saw it. Sadly, I see Cena's five-knuckle shuffle being the new Worm now :(


And Akio definitely should've won over S2H. It's a ****ing crime that he isn't even the cruiserweight champion right now.

[Maul Rats]

Man, I love the new classic wrestlers they're selling at toy stores. They are so much more articulated and poseable than the OG rubber ones. I still love the old school ones, but since they're not for sale anymore, I'll take these new ones any day.

[3dman27]

I miss the good ol' days when they had all the gangs. Those were the freakin days.
Nation of Domination, DX, Los Borriquas, Right to Censor, Undertaker's gang. What was Undertaker's gang called again? :confused:
the acolytes of darkness and the minestery of darkness respectivly :hyper:

[The Techno Bat]

And Akio definitely should've won over S2H. It's a ****ing crime that he isn't even the cruiserweight champion right now.

I will second that! Aiko should have the cruiserweight championship strap around his waist. The last two guys to hold that strap are the least mobile cruiserweights...Spike Dudley? and Funaki?

[Hunter Rider]

scotty is an embarsement to wrestling,average talent and pathetic finish imo

[jackcool]

I will second that! Aiko should have the cruiserweight championship strap around his waist. The last two guys to hold that strap are the least mobile cruiserweights...Spike Dudley? and Funaki?

I think the WWE's trying their hardest to get rid of the cruiserweight division. I mean, sure it's great to see Funaki get a title especially after being in the WWE for so many years and he's pretty over with the fans. But they just keep burying and burying the division. I mean besides Akio, guys like Billy Kidman, Chavo (since they refuse to push these two as heavyweights) should be fighting for the cruiserweight title. Hell, bring back Ultimo Dragon and get him to feud. Man, was Ultimo dumped on when he signed with the WWE.

[Hunter Rider]

according to this there is a possiblity of shawn michaels vs kurt angle (http://www.wrestlezone.com/article.php?articleid=108338287) at WM21

[Goldenage Batman]

Anyone else here but me think J.R.'s vocie sound like 16 cats in heat while their getting hung by their tails getting hit by whips...?

[jackcool]

according to this there is a possiblity of shawn michaels vs kurt angle (http://www.wrestlezone.com/article.php?articleid=108338287) at WM21

Oh man, yeah, that's what was being set up in Survivor Series. I think they had a segment where Edge was talking with Kurt Angle and Edge mentioned that he took out HBK, something that Angle never did before. Then Angle had this look on his face that implied that they might fight in WM 21. At least I think that happened....I think I may've been imagining things :(


But I think HBK might fight Edge in WM 21 anyways :confused:

[Hunter Rider]

Oh man, yeah, that's what was being set up in Survivor Series. I think they had a segment where Edge was talking with Kurt Angle and Edge mentioned that he took out HBK, something that Angle never did before. Then Angle had this look on his face that implied that they might fight in WM 21. At least I think that happened....I think I may've been imagining things :(


But I think HBK might fight Edge in WM 21 anyways :confused:

Your not Imagining things it happened:)
And hopefully Edge and HBK might settle things at RR with Angle helping Edge win. Edge may even win the Rumble and face Orton at WM21 for the title

[jackcool]

That's good :)

That'll be interesting if Edge does end up winning the Rumble, it'll be a bit unexpected, which is a good thing :) And yeah, I would rather see Orton fight Edge in WM than Triple H. The small feud those two had a few weeks back was pretty kickass :up:

[Hunter Rider]

Agreed:up: My ideal WM21 Main event line up would be

World Title :Randy vs Edge
Interpromotional match:HBk vs Angle
Street Fight:HHH vs Batista

[jackcool]

There's also rumors of a Mick Foley-Ric Flair match taking place in WM 21. Plus there are rumors that Austin, The Rock, and Hulk Hogan might be there as well.

Man, WM 21 is looking way better than WM 20, which should've been the biggest wrestlemania event....ever.

[3dman27]

I think the WWE's trying their hardest to get rid of the cruiserweight division. I mean, sure it's great to see Funaki get a title especially after being in the WWE for so many years and he's pretty over with the fans. But they just keep burying and burying the division. I mean besides Akio, guys like Billy Kidman, Chavo (since they refuse to push these two as heavyweights) should be fighting for the cruiserweight title. Hell, bring back Ultimo Dragon and get him to feud. Man, was Ultimo dumped on when he signed with the WWE.
they might be
i read on www.lordsofpain.net that the wwe know has a policy of hiring heavyweights only

[Donnie Darko]

Agreed:up: My ideal WM21 Main event line up would be

World Title :Randy vs Edge
Interpromotional match:HBk vs Angle
Street Fight:HHH vs Batista

no SD title match?

[The Techno Bat]

I think the WWE's trying their hardest to get rid of the cruiserweight division. I mean, sure it's great to see Funaki get a title especially after being in the WWE for so many years and he's pretty over with the fans. But they just keep burying and burying the division. I mean besides Akio, guys like Billy Kidman, Chavo (since they refuse to push these two as heavyweights) should be fighting for the cruiserweight title. Hell, bring back Ultimo Dragon and get him to feud. Man, was Ultimo dumped on when he signed with the WWE.

I can't believe what they did with Ultimo Dragon, Vince McMahon should be embarrassed, and ashamed for what he has done. But Vince is just being Vince a total ******NG A**HOLE! And not using the talent properly! ! ! Let's push Hiedenrich because he's a total tool! Sorry had to vent for a second.

Guys like Paul London, Aiko, Tajiri, Rey Mysterio, Billy Kidman, Chavo, Matt Hardy (when he gets healty and returns), etc... should only wrestle cruiserweights, but they are usually used to get other big guys over.

[jackcool]

Hell even Hurricane is being ****ing wasted on Raw. He should be on SD in the cruiserweight division, but no, they have him job to every wrestler on the Raw roster :mad:


However, on the other hand, I did manage to catch this week's Smackdown, and man, did the Rey-Chavo match kick so much ass :up:

[The Techno Bat]

Hell even Hurricane is being ****ing wasted on Raw. He should be on SD in the cruiserweight division, but no, they have him job to every wrestler on the Raw roster :mad:


However, on the other hand, I did manage to catch this week's Smackdown, and man, did the Rey-Chavo match kick so much ass :up:

That Rey vs Chavo match was another classic. Those two really put it on the line each and every time! I am a big fan of The Hurricane, he ruled in wCw as Sugar Shane Helms. It would be great to see him jump over to Smack Down and compete with the other cruiserweights!

[Donnie Darko]

Seriously, it's like they just forget about the Hurricane. I mean, they were kinda building him up for a big heel turn, but then it's like they just dropped it for a couple months.

[Hunter Rider]

no SD title match?

to be honest with JBL as champ i don't really care:(

[DOG LIPS]

JBL= meh

Boorriinng. :rolleyes:

[jackcool]

Originally, before I knew there was a rumored HBK-Angle match, my ideal SD title match would've been Angle vs Cena, with Angle winning the title at Royal Rumble. But now, I honestly don't know/care what it is. It's probably gonna be JBL vs Cena for the title, but to be honest, I'm more excited towards the heel Eddy vs Booker T match that looks to be getting set up.

[Hunter Rider]

Originally, before I knew there was a rumored HBK-Angle match, my ideal SD title match would've been Angle vs Cena, with Angle winning the title at Royal Rumble. But now, I honestly don't know/care what it is. It's probably gonna be JBL vs Cena for the title, but to be honest, I'm more excited towards the heel Eddy vs Booker T match that looks to be getting set up.

yeah i'd rather have Angle vs HBK than Cena vs Angle,i guess we have to hope ~JBL gets injured lol and we could have eddie vs cena,now thats money

btw i really don't like Booker as a face

[Donnie Darko]

so, here is the POTENTIAL match card for WM21...

Raw World Title: Orton vs. Edge
SD World Title: JBL vs Cena
HHH vs Batista
HBK vs Angle
Guerrero vs Booker T
Flair vs Foley

and here are some things I wouldn't mind going down...
Benoit gets fed up with losing (I just got this idea after he lost to Jericho on Raw), and he goes heel. This could set up a match between Benoit and Jericho again at WM. Or maybe they could team up against two other people.

[3dman27]

Seriously, it's like they just forget about the Hurricane. I mean, they were kinda building him up for a big heel turn, but then it's like they just dropped it for a couple months.
heel turn? whassup withthat?

[Donnie Darko]

well, him and Rosey would keep losing because Rosey would accidentally hit him or something, and he was getting pissed at Rosey, so it kinda made it seem like he was gonna turn on him.

[3dman27]

regarding how trish's taunting of lita last week prompted kane to bodyslam her and she needed to be carried out by paramedics what do you think the wwe is going to do about the womens title or about kane hospitalizing trish for that matter? :daredevil

[Donnie Darko]

They have bigger things to worry about with Kane. Such as the feud with Snitsky, and how bad Snitsky sucks. Seriously I haven't liked Kane since he was feuding with Stone Cold for the title, but I become a Kane mark when he is up against Snitsky because I seriously cannot stand this guy.

[Hunter Rider]

snitsky and hiedenriech both suck they should be released now and kane blows as a face

[3dman27]

snitsky and hiedenriech both suck they should be released now and kane blows as a face
i don't know if you can call kane a face after what he did to trish i agree about snitsky and heidenriech however

[Hunter Rider]

i don't know if you can call kane a face after what he did to trish i agree about snitsky and heidenriech however

true but violence against the women gets pops these days and the whole storyline with the baby suddenly turned him into a face despite the fact it started with him blackmailing lita into sex.............dumbass writers

[Metamorpho1977]

I wish they'd let Hurricane bring back the Vertebreaker move that he used as a finisher in WCW. That was one of the most brutal moves I've ever seen.

[jackcool]

snitsky and hiedenriech both suck they should be released now and kane blows as a face

I dunno, Kane could be a badass face, it's just that he's always stuck with the dumbest feuds when he's a face (the Katie Vick angle and currently feuding with Gene Snitsky).

[Donnie Darko]

I wish they'd let Hurricane bring back the Vertebreaker move that he used as a finisher in WCW. That was one of the most brutal moves I've ever seen.

Yeah, that move was great. There used to be a sweet like highlight clip of it online. Do you know where I can see that again?

[BlackSymbiote]

Hurricane's Vertebreaker is brutal, but it doesn't even compare to Megumi Kudoh's Kudohdriver (the ORIGINAL Vertebreaker) when done by a petite Japanese woman to a 300 pound monster in an exploding barbwire ropes match.

But then again, AJ Styles sold the Vertebreaker better than anyone.

[Hunter Rider]

The Rock apparently wants to wrestle sting at WM21

[Sabretooth]

The WWE fans are retarded.They boo Bischoff even though he's face?Something not right there.


Ooh!STEVE AUSTIN UPDATE! :D :D :D

[Sabretooth]

If Tomko grew out his beard some more,and it was gray, He'd look like Gandalf.:D

[Donnie Darko]

ok, I didn't get home until 10:30, so what all happened on Raw before the Maven/Kane/Snitsky match?

[jackcool]

If Tomko grew out his beard some more,and it was gray, He'd look like Gandalf.:D

I actually think he looks like the Devil with that goatee :confused:

[Metamorpho1977]

I think a Rock/Sting match would be awesome.

[Sava]

Ooh!STEVE AUSTIN UPDATE! :D :D :D


what...where?

[3dman27]

yeah what WAS the announcement?

[Hunter Rider]

that austin has signed a 3film deal withvince mcmahon and wwe films

[3dman27]

i wish they'd offer MOLLY HOLLY a deal like that

[Goldenage Batman]

Austin doesn't need to be making movies...he needs to be in the ring.....Don't want another Rock on hand.....

[Hunter Rider]

austin had to retire b/c of neck problems,that wasn't an angle,plus all the injuries had made him crap in the ring the last 2 years he performed IMO

[Goldenage Batman]

I know but still....Would you rather see him in a movie(which odds are will be a flop) or see him in the ring....

[Hunter Rider]

personaly i'm happy to see him as a ref but i was glad when he retired he'd had a good run and his performances were poor last 2 years imo..............as for the movies i agree,i have no interest in seeing him in movies

[Goldenage Batman]

The best wrestler to ever act in a movie would be Andrea "The Giant" in that really funny movie....but I forgot the name of it.....

[Hunter Rider]

the princess bride i think

[Goldenage Batman]

I think that's it...man I loved that show...did u...?

[Hunter Rider]

yeah it was a fun movie

[Goldenage Batman]

I loved Billy Crystal in it....

[DOG LIPS]

Princess Bride is awesome. "You killed my father... prepare to die..."

I really thought Austin was going to make a comeback to the ring, I thought that was the big announcement. :( Who cares about 'WWE Movies'?? Come back to wrasslin Austin, it needs you. Maybe Austin can join Evolution. :D

[Goldenage Batman]

Nash needs to come back to the WWE...cause I can't get the channel that TnA is on.....

[Goldenage Batman]

What the heck happened to King of the Ring....?

[3dman27]

What the heck happened to King of the Ring....?
that ppv was discontinued after the brand extension so that raw and smackdown would have an equal number of individual ppvs plus 2 joint ones :daredevil

[Goldenage Batman]

That's dumb as hell...

[The Techno Bat]

When did Randy Orton become Superman? Seriously he took one hell of a beating last night from the double team of Ric Flair and HHH and then at the end he pops up like nothing happened, hits the RKO and beats Flair. Come on, get real. I know it's all sports entertainment and everything, but it has to be believeable though, and this is not. What it is is a bunch of non sense and the WWE forcing Randy Orton down our throat. What harm would it have done for Orton to lose to Ric Flair? None, especially after the double team.

Remember the good ol days when a good guy would have his ass handed to him night in and night out by the heels, and come PPV you would want to buy it to see how the face was going to overcome the odds and win? Hulk Hogan was great at this. He would do his Hogan thing on regular tv, Saturday Night Main Event, and then eventually get beat down by King Kong Bundy, The Big Boss Man (RIP), One Man Gang, etc... And I for one would be like, I have to get the PPV (ask my parents first) to see how Hogan could possibly win, and when he did it was awesome.

Now adays the angle is already played out and not worth buying the PPV to see what is going to happen because they already give it away on the shows

[The Techno Bat]

I think that the brand PPV's should only cost 19.95! It is ridiculous to ask 35.00 to view a brand PPV...

[DOG LIPS]

I'm tired of Orton now. He just doesn't have what it takes to be the bad ass they are forcing him to be. :down

[jackcool]

Orton really hasn't proven himself as much since his face turn IMO. Sure he's improved a bit, but not by a lot. Hell, it seems Batista is getting way more over than Orton is at the moment. If anything, I'm praying that after WM, Orton turns back into the cocky Legend Killer heel he was.

But then again, I also wish that the WWE would turn John Cena back into a heel :o

[hotrain33]

Cena is a better heel than face but for some reason the fans still like him. If anyone is going to turn heel soon it's eddie you can see it coming. Orton is not going to turn heel yet but it would be cool to see him go back to the cocky guy who was so hated by everyone.

[GLfan]

I think that the brand PPV's should only cost 19.95! It is ridiculous to ask 35.00 to view a brand PPV...You can say that again, I agree. That is why I will only buy the Raw PPV's, my cable bill runs me 95.00 a month with one PPV.

[3dman27]

i casnt afford any ppvs i also wish they'd drop the prices

[Super Kal]

has anyone tried the WWE 24/7 yet?

[DOG LIPS]

They need to bring back Repo-Man!!

http://wrestlebizz.wrestling-total.com/images/repoman.jpg

[Keyser Soze]

Nash needs to come back to the WWE...cause I can't get the channel that TnA is on.....

Why would you want Kevin Nash back in WWE? He's probably the worst thing about TNA at the moment. The guy has zero commitment, and is only in it for the money. Plus, knowing how injury prone he is, he'd probably snap his spine signing the WWE contract.

Speaking of TNA, I think it's actually starting to get good again. TNA always seems to be poised on the edge of greatness, only to take a giant leap backwards and spoil everything for themselves. But this time they are really on a roll. At their next PPV, "Against All Odds", the X Title match is "The Fallen Angel" Christopher Daniels VS AJ Styles in a 30 Minute Iron-Man Match. Daniels and Styles are two of the best wrestlers working today, so it should be a great match.

I'd say the best wrestling in the world right now can be found in the indy promotion Ring Of Honor. They are holding their 3rd Anniversary show soon. I've followed this great company since it first formed, and it's been through many developments. It started as a back-to-basics promotion, more about great wrestling than storylines. But gradually, ROH has began to have great long-running feuds and some of the year's best storylines as well as the highest quality of matches you'll see anywhere in the world.

My personal favourite wrestler in Ring Of Honor is Samoa Joe. Samoa Joe was the ROH World Champion for about 20 months I believe, almost 2 years. He only just lost the belt in December. His epic title reign added real legitimacy and prestige to the belt, and the long-lasting question of who would finally beat Joe was one of the most engaging wrestling storylines of 2003/2004. At first glance, Samoa Joe looks like your average fat Samoan. But when he actually starts wrestling, he shows technical skill almost on a par with the likes of Chris Benoit or Eddie Guerrero, and has a repertoire of highly impressive hard-hitting moves.

In ROH, after losing the belt, Samoa Joe has entered a feud with Mick Foley. That's right, Mick Foley. If you've wondering where Foley has been all this time, he's been at ROH, which he has been calling the future of wrestling. Vince has asked him to do some talent scouting while he's at ROH, and Foley is strongly pushing for WWE to sign Samoa Joe and another great wrestler called CM Punk, who wrestled Joe to two one-hour time limit draws in 2004.

Has anyone else seen any of Ring Of Honor? Anyone want more info on it?

[Goldenage Batman]

Because Nash kicks ass....that's why....

[3dman27]

has anyone tried the WWE 24/7 yet?no id like to but bright house cable hasn't gotten it yet

[Hunter Rider]

Because Nash kicks ass....that's why....

Eh nash hasnt kicked ass for 10years

[Goldenage Batman]

Nash has always kicked ass...and will keep doing so....

[Keyser Soze]

I lost whatever respect I had for Nash when he lay down and let Hogan pin him on that fateful Nitro in late 98. That was the beginning of the end for WCW.

[Goldenage Batman]

Yeah that really pissed me off....He won the Belt from Bill and then lost it the next night....Hogan tapped him with his finger then down went Nash.....Thanks for getting mad KK...::mad::up:.....

[3dman27]

i just visited www.lordsofpain.net and learned that after upns contract with the wwe for smackdown the networks DROPPING the show upn says thier new plans for the network don't include pro wrestling

[DOG LIPS]

Good, UPN sucks. :down


Put Smackdown on The Lifetime channel. :up:

[jackcool]

i just visited www.lordsofpain.net and learned that after upns contract with the wwe for smackdown the networks DROPPING the show upn says thier new plans for the network don't include pro wrestling

That's bad news for the WWE. I don't get it though, I thought Smackdown was one of the shows on UPN that got decent ratings :confused:

[Agent Phoenix]

am I the only one here that has NEVER seen a full PPV (I've only seen clips of them on the regular shows)

I like wrestling but I find it easy to just watch what's on regular tv

[Shifty]

That's bad news for the WWE. I don't get it though, I thought Smackdown was one of the shows on UPN that got decent ratings :confused:

I believe its UPN's highest rated show. But there has been talk for a few years now, just didn't think UPN would let them go. And most likely whatever they put in that timeslot will fail. I mean its Thursday night and wrestling was great counter programming to CBS, NBC, ABC & Fox and you had the young males. Another network will get it but Smackdown's ratings will probably take a hit.

[3dman27]

Good, UPN sucks. :down


Put Smackdown on The Lifetime channel. :up:the LIFETIME CHANNEL? you've got to be kidding me
btw what ever happened to the poster called gowebgo? i havent read any of his comments on wrestling i miss them

[3dman27]

I believe its UPN's highest rated show. But there has been talk for a few years now, just didn't think UPN would let them go. And most likely whatever they put in that timeslot will fail. I mean its Thursday night and wrestling was great counter programming to CBS, NBC, ABC & Fox and you had the young males. Another network will get it but Smackdown's ratings will probably take a hit.
not to worry i visited www.lordsofpain.net again this morning to read the smackdown spoiler and instead read a report debunking the smackdown cancellation staement as a misinterpeted comment
btw whats wrong with lordsofpain.net usually they have the smackdown spoiler up by now but this week ,NADA if it was a LIVE smackdown i could understand it but smackdown is taped two nights earler than its broadcast

[Super Kal]

so you're saying that Smackdown is taped and not live?

[Keyser Soze]

Yep. Taped on Tuesday, aired on Thursday.

So am I the only ROH fan on the Hype? That's a shame. That means none of you have seen the OTHER match of the year (after Chris Benoit VS Triple H VS Shawn Michaels from Wrestlemania XX), Samoa Joe VS CM Punk in their second 60 minute classic.

[3dman27]

so you're saying that Smackdown is taped and not live?
normally it is but something occured to me a few minutes ago could this weeks smackdown taping have been CANCELLED due to the blizzard last weekend? that would explain why i can't find any spoilers:hyper:

[JINoside]

Errm....Nash is never coming back to WWE. He should stay in TNA. Hes not the same as he was a few years ago. Hes older and slower now and hes much more prone to injury than he was before......

Yep. Taped on Tuesday, aired on Thursday.

So am I the only ROH fan on the Hype? That's a shame. That means none of you have seen the OTHER match of the year (after Chris Benoit VS Triple H VS Shawn Michaels from Wrestlemania XX), Samoa Joe VS CM Punk in their second 60 minute classic.

Well, i can't say that i'm a fan fan of it since i'm really new. But i've been seeign a few matches here and there and its very good. Joe isn't coming to WWE, Foleys been pushing for it but WWE said that he doesn't have the 'Looks' that they are looking for. Hes a beast though in the ring and sometimes Does overdo things. Foley said it aswell in an interview that if he would come to WWE, that he would have to tone down a bit. CM Punks great and so is Joe, but i seem to like CM more because Joe beasts in All of his matches and goes over the limit. He does however have a nice set of moves....

Also, i think i've seen that match. But you can't forget ANOTHER one of last years best matches, TNA Turning Points Triple X vs. America's Most Wanted Six sides of Steel Cage match. That was a good one to......

[Hunter Rider]

i Don't get ROH so could someone post a pic of samoa joe and cm punk please ?:)

[Super Kal]

Yep. Taped on Tuesday, aired on Thursday.

So am I the only ROH fan on the Hype? That's a shame. That means none of you have seen the OTHER match of the year (after Chris Benoit VS Triple H VS Shawn Michaels from Wrestlemania XX), Samoa Joe VS CM Punk in their second 60 minute classic.
... ... RAW is still live right?

[Hunter Rider]

... ... RAW is still live right?

yes

[Super Kal]

good. well, I've lost hope for Smackdown. the only one i really enjoyed on that show was Undertaker anyways

[JINoside]

i Don't get ROH so could someone post a pic of samoa joe and cm punk please ?:)

C.M Punk (http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/profiles/c/c-m-punk.html)

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pictures/c/cmpunk/09.jpg
Yes, that is AJ Styles....



Samoa Joe (http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/profiles/s/samoa-joe.html)

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pictures/s/samoajoe/03.jpg

[Hunter Rider]

thanks,actually after i asked i did a bit research on them and i don't know why wwe dont want guys like samoa and CM yet continue to push crap like snitsky and hiedenriech,just doesnt make sense

[The Techno Bat]

Good, UPN sucks. :down


Put Smackdown on The Lifetime channel. :up:

No they need to put Smackdown on The History Channel because if Vince keeps going the way he is with the WWE, that is exactly what is going to happen to it. It will be History!

[The Techno Bat]

Did anyone ever see Monster Garage when CM Punk & Samoa Joe were on it? It was the episode where the made a U-Haul truck into a portable wrestling ring. It was really cool!

[The Techno Bat]

thanks,actually after i asked i did a bit research on them and i don't know why wwe dont want guys like samoa and CM yet continue to push crap like snitsky and hiedenriech,just doesnt make sense

I think some guys realize if they go to the WWE they have to sign over pretty much all there rights to the character they portray, thus when they get canned, they cannot go anywhere and use it.

Example Goldust is property of the WWE, so Dustin Rhodes cannot use him in TNA, thus the lame I am just Dustin Rhodes gimmick.

It sucks, but some guys have moral issues with the WWE as well. I can't wait for Vince to step aside and allow Shane to step up and do something with the company!

[jackcool]

Shane will never, ever take over the WWE. Once Vince retires, it'll be Triple H and Stephanie who'll be in charge.

:(

[The Techno Bat]

That's if HHH and Stephanie's marriage lasts. But I would rather have Shane running things over Steph and Trip's anyday!

[DOG LIPS]

Are Trips and Steph really married? I thought he was married to some bodybuilder woman. :confused:

[hotrain33]

Actually steph and hunter are married and the bodybuilder lady is joane lauren aka Chyna. they were at one time dating eachothe hhh and chyna. Did you hear the rumors about lesner making a wwe return soon maybe even this sunday at the royal rumble.

[jackcool]

That's if HHH and Stephanie's marriage lasts. But I would rather have Shane running things over Steph and Trip's anyday!

Somehow, I think Triple H will find a way for the marriage to last. And I agree, I would rather have Shane run the company, but it's seen that Shane really doesn't have the aggressiveness to take over the company, whereas Hunter does :confused:

[3dman27]

any predictions as to the royal rumble?

[Metamorpho1977]

Smackdown cancelled???

WWE SmackDown! Confirmed To Be Cancelled Soon
Story By: Matt Baker
The following is an excerpt from an article on
www.InsideBayArea.com

SAD NEWS: UPN won't be bringing another installment of
"Amish in the City" into your living room. In fact, the
network that blazed new trails in questionable taste from
"Homeboys in Outer Space" to primetime wrestling — not to
mention exploiting the religious beliefs of the Amish —
offered a relatively tame presentation during the winter
press tour.

That was in keeping with the news that UPN is going for
respectability in the future, and in that future there's
no room for senseless degrading of the Amish or for
smackdowns.

That's right. There's only one year left on the contract
for World Wrestling Federation's "Smackdown!" and the
network has decided to let it go.

"It still makes us a decent amount of money," says Leslie
Moonves, co-president and co-chief operating office for
Viacom, which owns both CBS and UPN. "When you think about
the powerhouses of CBS and NBC on Thursday night, it's great
counter-programming. (But) it doesn't fit into the overall
(programming) strategy."

[Donnie Darko]

any predictions as to the royal rumble?

Randy Orton will beat HHH.
Angle wins the Smackdown title.
Edge will beat HBK (may have to cheat to do it, but that's my prediction)
Undertaker beats Heidenreich
Batista is eliminated from the Rumble after HHH interferes, setting up a match at WM. It comes down to John Cena and Edge in the Rumble. Cena wins, but Edge makes his case on Raw for a title shot at WM and gets it.

[jackcool]

I dunno about Angle winning, the February PPV is supposed to have a JBL-Big Show title match with barb wire surrounding the ring. But that could all change.

Another interesting thing that could happen is that Angle wins the title, HBK wins the championship, and in a reverse from last year, HBK jumps to Smackdown the very next week and challenges Angle for the title. I doubt it will happen, but that would be the ideal match for the SD title match in WM 21 - Angle vs HBK :)

But I agree with most of your choices, DD. Except, I'm still thinking that JBL will walk away with the title. Batista will be eliminated by Triple H interferance. I'm guessing that Flair will be the one to actually eliminate Batista, kinda "poetic justice" after Batista eliminated Flair in that one battle royal a couple months back.

[Hunter Rider]

any predictions as to the royal rumble?

Undertaker beats Hiedenriech
Jbl wins the triple threat
Edge beats HBK with help from Angle
HHH beats Randy
Batista wins the Rumble

alt would be Randy wins title and either edge or HBK wins rumble,i think the winner will be from Raw as SD guys have won it the last twice plus SD ahve no way out to sort there title match out

there is a rumour that Lesnar will be at the rumble

[The Techno Bat]

Did you hear the rumors about lesner making a wwe return soon maybe even this sunday at the royal rumble.

Last I heard Brock was over in Japan wrestling. And he is married to Sable.

[The Techno Bat]

I think Smackdown getting cancelled could be a blessing in disguise for the WWE. They would have to put both brands back together if another station doesn't pick them up. And then Raw could go to a 3 hour platform

[3dman27]

I dunno about Angle winning, the February PPV is supposed to have a JBL-Big Show title match with barb wire surrounding the ring. But that could all change.
.
i read somewhere the feb ppv's logo will be covered in barbed wire does that remind anyone besides me of the ecw logo since feb is a smackdown ppv and ecw founder paul heyman is with smackdown this could set up the ecw ppv the wwe's been planning

[Hunter Rider]

the latest rumour is the ECW ppv will be on june 12th

[The Techno Bat]

ECW is dead. They should leave it that way! How many ECW guys are actually left on the WWE roster? Not too many. And those who are not familar with the old style of ECW, will probably not pay 34.95 to see guys like Rhyno, Tajiri, Nunzio, The Dudley Boys (speaking of, where have they been?), Tommy Dreamer, Dawn Marie, & Spike Dudley to name a few of the hardcore ECW guys that were there pretty much the entire ECW run.

Other WWE stars that had short runs with ECW like Jericho, Austin, Guerro, Benoit & Milenko in my eyes don't really count because they made names for themselves over seas, and with wCw and WWF.

So as great as it might be to see an ECW PPV I think they should leave it alone and not bother with it.

Now I hear and this is only rumor and a possible spoiler that the wire around the poster of the FEB PPV is because : The Big Show is going to fight JBL for the world title in a barb wire match

[jackcool]

How about Tazz and RVD? And New Jack is supposed to come back as well. Same with Super Crazy. Plus, Simon Dean could always ditch his current gimmick and come back as Nova. Sure there's no Raven, Sabu, Sandman, Steve Corino, Shane Douglas and others at the moment, but I think the WWE still has enough on their roster right now to warrant at least one ECW return.

And about that spoiler you posted, look at my previous post ;)

[Hunter Rider]

most of ECW's guys are independant now even those like sabu and Corino there's no reason why WWE can't use them for 1 show

[jackcool]

Yep. I think the only one that may still be unavailable might be Raven, and that's kind of a huge blow, but they have enough ECW mainstays right now to make up for it.

[3dman27]

not one post about the royal rumble results
ether it was dull as hell or you guys really ARE po'ed at the wwe

[3dman27]

by the way guess who won the rumble

BATTISTA'S going to WRESTLEMANIA

[Metamorpho1977]

They have a whole thread for the Royal Rumble in the Hype Community, 3D.

[Metamorpho1977]

oh I love how they handled Muhammad Hassan in the Rumble. They had both sides, Raw and Smackdown squared off against each other beating the hell out of each other, then the countdown starts and Hassan starts walking out and everyone stops and watches him walking down. When he gets in, everyone Raw and Smackdown gang up on him and toss him out almost as quick as he gets in the ring. And there's a possibility that they'll be starting a feud with him and Jericho in the near future.

[3dman27]

They have a whole thread for the Royal Rumble in the Hype Community, 3D.
thaks for the tip but i thought all the wrestling threads were merged here

[Keyser Soze]

Well, i can't say that i'm a fan fan of it since i'm really new. But i've been seeign a few matches here and there and its very good. Joe isn't coming to WWE, Foleys been pushing for it but WWE said that he doesn't have the 'Looks' that they are looking for. Hes a beast though in the ring and sometimes Does overdo things. Foley said it aswell in an interview that if he would come to WWE, that he would have to tone down a bit. CM Punks great and so is Joe, but i seem to like CM more because Joe beasts in All of his matches and goes over the limit. He does however have a nice set of moves....

Also, i think i've seen that match. But you can't forget ANOTHER one of last years best matches, TNA Turning Points Triple X vs. America's Most Wanted Six sides of Steel Cage match. That was a good one to......

I haven't seen the Turning Point match, but it does have the excellent Christopher Daniels in it, so I'll have to check it out.

I don't really think Samoa Joe goes over the limit. Sure, he's a stiff worker, but that works in the context of his character. I like both CM Punk and Samoa Joe, but I'd say I like Samoa Joe a little bit better.

[The Techno Bat]

How about Tazz and RVD? And New Jack is supposed to come back as well. Same with Super Crazy. Plus, Simon Dean could always ditch his current gimmick and come back as Nova. Sure there's no Raven, Sabu, Sandman, Steve Corino, Shane Douglas and others at the moment, but I think the WWE still has enough on their roster right now to warrant at least one ECW return.

Tazz has said his days as a wrestler are over and wouldn't wrestle again. And RvD will be out like 6-8 months so those two are out. Simon Dean really hasn't been the big hit I think they were banking on. Besides I don't think hardcore WWE fans really want to see an ECW PPV. Let's just live with the memories of what used to be.

For example remember the old days of the 4 Horsemen? I was just a itty bitty punk kid, knee high to a grasshopper, but I remember how great they were, and every time wCw brought them back with new members and whatnot it seemed to tarnish there legacy. I think the same would happen to ECW, that is dead for a reason and should stay that way!

And about that spoiler you posted, look at my previous post ;)

Gotcha, thanks! :)

[The Techno Bat]

most of ECW's guys are independant now even those like sabu and Corino there's no reason why WWE can't use them for 1 show

I don't know if Vince would want to go that route again. He did it a few years back when he hired guys like Mr. Perfect,& Goldust for the rumble, sure Goldust ended up staying longer than perfect but in the long run it wasn't worth the time, the same with Gangrel.

New Jack recently wrestled a dark match with the WWE and they passed on him, so I don't think he will be in an ecw ppv either.

I say that they either do it right, which they won't, so I am against it. Or don't do it at all!

[Hunter Rider]

well Mania looks set on the Raw side,HHHvs Batista and It looks like there gonna go with HBK vs Angle it just remains to bee seen what they are gonna do with JBL and what they are gonna do with Orton

[John Constantine]

Tazz has said his days as a wrestler are over and wouldn't wrestle again. And RvD will be out like 6-8 months so those two are out. Simon Dean really hasn't been the big hit I think they were banking on. Besides I don't think hardcore WWE fans really want to see an ECW PPV. Let's just live with the memories of what used to be.

For example remember the old days of the 4 Horsemen? I was just a itty bitty punk kid, knee high to a grasshopper, but I remember how great they were, and every time wCw brought them back with new members and whatnot it seemed to tarnish there legacy. I think the same would happen to ECW, that is dead for a reason and should stay that way!

That's not to say that Tazz wouldn't come back just for one match, especially if ECW decides to make a return. And yeah, that sucks about RVD but I'm hoping he could maybe just make an appearance on the show.

And I think there are some hardcore WWE fans who still would wanna see and ECW return. I mean everytime you see some old ECW wrestlers fight (Tajiri and Rhyno for example), you always hear the "ECW ECW ECW" chants. There is quite a rabid fan base for ECW. Plus, I heard that the Rise and Fall of ECW dvd sold like gangbusters, it's like the WWE's best selling dvd right now. I think it's sold almost as much as the Ric Flair dvd. I think these factors are probably why the WWE is considering bringing back the ECW for a one-time only event.




And yeah, this is me jackcool under a new name :o

[John Constantine]

WOn't it be funny if it were Triple H who arranged to put JBL's video up on Raw so he could get rid of Batista?

[Hunter Rider]

WOn't it be funny if it were Triple H who arranged to put JBL's video up on Raw so he could get rid of Batista?

i'm pretty sure that'll come out later that HHH is trying to get rid of Batista

[JINoside]

Ok.....tonights RAW. All i'm goin to say, is that i droped my jaw. Thats it........

[John Constantine]

Man, I thought there would be a few more run-ins by some Smackdown wrestlers. Especially since the Smackdown roster is in the same arena as the Raw roster is right now.

:mad:

[DOG LIPS]

Raw was actually good tonight. :up:

[DOG LIPS]

Is anyone else freakin tired of Theadore L.'s "Holla holla holla holla holla holla holla holla holla holla holla holla playa!"

:down:mad:

[3dman27]

Raw was actually good tonight. :up: what went down?

[DOG LIPS]

Snitsky was found in the women's locker room by some of the lesser known divas, they screamed when they saw him, he looked at their legs, breathed all heavy, then said "Nice shoes!" Then he walked away. :)

JBL came on the Screen and talked shiz to Batista about coming to Smackdown so JBL could whoop that azz.

[DOG LIPS]

Here's some quick notes:
Trish came out to help/support Snitsky when he fought Kane in a cage match.
Hassan beat Sarge Slaughter's ass.
Maven beat the Hurricane. Awesome finishing move.
Theodore Long came to try and get Batista to go to Smackdown.
Next week it's Edge and HHH for the title.

[3dman27]

thanks 'lips or do you prefer "dog" or "dl"

[DOG LIPS]

Dog,DL,Bastard, whatever works best.

[Goldenage Batman]

Actually steph and hunter are married.

So that's why that S.O.B. always has the belt....I knew he had something to do with Mcmann.....

[Goldenage Batman]

Triple H's real name is Jean-Paul Levesque I think.....Steph Levesque...

[The Techno Bat]

Raw was pretty decent last night.

I thought HHH talking at the begining of the show was pretty funny, especially when he referred to JBL as Foghorn Leghorn

Even though it was HHH who set up that tape of JBL bashing Batista

One question though, why do you think Batista was grinning when he flipped out during the tag match HHH/Flair vs Orton/HBK, and got tossed out?

1. Because he bought Flair/HHH time to recoup

2. He wanted no part of HHH/Flair and got tossed on purpose

I am not sure it's probably # 2.

Pretty cool when Edge got hit with the Sweet Chin Music, and then later in the night Edge spearing HHH was great!

[The Techno Bat]

My favorite signs in the crowd last night had to be the two that said:

"HBK
Quit"

and

"Edge
Still
Sucks"

[Donnie Darko]

Pretty cool when Edge got hit with the Sweet Chin Music, and then later in the night Edge spearing HHH was great!

Very rarely do I really cheer loudly while watching wrestling these days, but when Edge speared HHH, I was definitely shouting with joy.

[Goldenage Batman]

When Maven did that double knee back drop thingy to Hurricane I screamed out loud...damn thing looked like it hurt....

[Sabretooth]

Raw was pretty decent last night.

I thought HHH talking at the begining of the show was pretty funny, especially when he referred to JBL as Foghorn Leghorn

Even though it was HHH who set up that tape of JBL bashing Batista

One question though, why do you think Batista was grinning when he flipped out during the tag match HHH/Flair vs Orton/HBK, and got tossed out?

1. Because he bought Flair/HHH time to recoup

2. He wanted no part of HHH/Flair and got tossed on purpose

I am not sure it's probably # 2.

Pretty cool when Edge got hit with the Sweet Chin Music, and then later in the night Edge spearing HHH was great!
Or maybe B knew Edge was going to come out,and figured he was going for HHH,or maybe not..........

[The Techno Bat]

When Maven did that double knee back drop thingy to Hurricane I screamed out loud...damn thing looked like it hurt....

That was indeed a very cool and vicious move. I just wish they would allow The Hurricane to use his Vertabreaker!

[The Techno Bat]

Very rarely do I really cheer loudly while watching wrestling these days, but when Edge speared HHH, I was definitely shouting with joy.

It had me up jumping around. I thought damn HHH taking a bump like that and then allowing himself to get pinned and lose. Sure it was a tag match but still the excitement was there and builds for next weeks main event Edge Vs HHH!

[Hunter Rider]

i wonder what there gonna do with Orton now for mania as it's obvious that he's lost the momentum he had,i cant decide who there gonna have him wrestle at the show,

[Bathrat]

Vince blowing his knee out

http://masterxmedia.com/gummy/vince.gif

Look at Batista with his hand over his mouth

[Hunter Rider]

Vince blowing his knee out

http://masterxmedia.com/gummy/vince.gif

Look at Batista with his hand over his mouth

can you do one with of Batista spinebusting cena ?

[Sabretooth]

I will be PISSED if Batista jumps to SD! and we have HHH vs. Orton for the 30th friggin time!:mad:

[The Techno Bat]

BWAAAAAAA HA HA HA HA

[GLfan]

I went to the Raw/Smackdown super show on Monday, it was great seeing Kane winning! Smackdown was actually a decent show for once.

[Keyser Soze]

The rumours are that Randy Orton will face The Undertaker at Wrestlemania 21. Personally I think that isn't a good idea for a match at all. Personally I'd like to see Randy Orton VS John Cena, but I'm guessing John Cena will be busy facing JBL for the WWE Title.

I feel sorry for Randy Orton. If they'd given him the excellently done slow-build face turn they have given Batista, it would be Orton who was monster over. Instead, they gave him the rush job and killed his heat. Here's what I think WWE did wrong with Orton:

1. They made Orton beat Benoit at Summerslam. Benoit should have held the belt for one more month and lost it to Triple H. It would have been a proper end to the Benoit/HHH rivalry rather than letting it just fizzle out. Plus, this took away the novelty value of Orton as champion. Therefore, Orton winning the belt at Wrestlemania wouldn't mean as much.

2. They turned Orton face immediately. Orton was so over because of his heel persona. Therefore, suddenly turning him face left Orton stranded in the deep end, with no real face momentum built up. If he had been given the slow-build Batista is getting, only turning now, fans would more readily accept him as a monster face, rather than WWE trying to cram him down our throats.

3. They killed Evolution. By having Triple H turning on Orton instantly for being more successful than him, they spoiled the whole concept of Evolution. Evolution had previously come across as a close-knit team. So, by having HHH turn on a member with little provocation, that team dynamic was upset. As soon as HHH did this, the stable's days became numbered.

4. They made Triple H beat Orton at Unforgiven. Orton only had a one-month title reign. After Benoit's fantastic run with the belt, having Orton lose it right away made him look like a lame-duck champion.

5. They've shown us Triple H VS Randy Orton several times. All the novelty and excitement of seeing these two go at it is gone. At Wrestlemania, fans tend to only really be interested in a main event if it a) has never happened before, or b) involves guys who put on classic matches when put together, e.g. Austin/Rock. We've seen Triple H and Orton fight before, and while the matches were solid, they were hardly memorable.

Therefore, Randy Orton's time has come and gone. I say that all the WWE can do is turn him heel again. Perhaps he can feud with Batista in 2005, bitter that Batista won the title, the success and the love of the fans, which Orton wanted for himself. Eventually, Orton may again become ready to make a monster face turn.

As for Wrestlemania, Triple H VS Batista all the way!

[3dman27]

batista over preperation h any day

[Metamorpho1977]

Sargent Slaughter needs to quit jobbing to these punks.

[DOG LIPS]

Yeah, Sarge was wasted on giving Hassan a little push after the Rumble comedy.

[Goldenage Batman]

Vince blowing his knee out

http://masterxmedia.com/gummy/vince.gif

Look at Batista with his hand over his mouth


GOD!!!!!!:eek: :eek: :eek:

[The Techno Bat]

I think what they should do with Randy Orton is have him turn heel again, and rejoin Evolution, and admit he was wrong and needs some more fine tuning that only The Nature Boy and HHH can offer. (by this time I am sure Batista will be a Face) Then have Randy Orton be groomed over again and have him battle it out with another great young gun in the WWE in Shelton Benjamin. The two could battle most of the year back and forth for the IC strap.

[Hunter Rider]

I think what they should do with Randy Orton is have him turn heel again, and rejoin Evolution, and admit he was wrong and needs some more fine tuning that only The Nature Boy and HHH can offer. (by this time I am sure Batista will be a Face) Then have Randy Orton be groomed over again and have him battle it out with another great young gun in the WWE in Shelton Benjamin. The two could battle most of the year back and forth for the IC strap.

can't say i agree,they could definately do a heel turn with Orton but going back to evolution would kill his character stone dead.

[John Constantine]

If this isn't a sign of who's gonna take over the WWE after Vince retires, I don't know what is. From lordsofpain.net:

"Vince McMahon will obviously not be attending WWE's tour of Japan this week after surgery, meaning Stephanie McMahon and Paul "Triple H" Levesque will be in charge of both the TV tapings. "

[Hunter Rider]

If this isn't a sign of who's gonna take over the WWE after Vince retires, I don't know what is. From lordsofpain.net:

"Vince McMahon will obviously not be attending WWE's tour of Japan this week after surgery, meaning Stephanie McMahon and Paul "Triple H" Levesque will be in charge of both the TV tapings. "

well HHH said on an interview at IGN i think,that he isn't involved in running the show,so hopefully thats true as wrestlers running the show is a bad idea,just look at Hogan/WCW

[John Constantine]

He could say that, but it's not necessarily true. I mean look at the guy. He's had 10 title reigns since 1999. That seems a bit.....excessive.

[Hunter Rider]

He could say that, but it's not necessarily true. I mean look at the guy. He's had 10 title reigns since 1999. That seems a bit.....excessive.

true but i think a lot of the time it's been b/c of the fact that no one has really been good enough to draw money in the top spot.It was the same in Ric flairs day

[John Constantine]

I'm pretty sure they if marketed right, someone like RVD, Kane, Booker T, Chris Jericho, and a few others would've been just as big. But they've been continually dumped on, especially in feuds with guess who....Triple H.

[Hunter Rider]

i agree with jericho but i really don't believe kane,booker etc have that extra something maybe if RVD could work the mic better as he's an awesome performer

[John Constantine]

The reason why they didn't have that extra something is because they were continually dumped on. I mean, Kane was on the verge of breaking out. He could've been a viable main event champion, IMO. But look what happens when he feuds with Triple H. He gets stuck with that horrible-ass Katie Vick angle which ruined almost all of his credibility. And really, RVD could just let his wrestling speak for himself. Kinda like Chris Benoit really.

I mean what made wrestling great back in 1998-2001 was that it was a whole bunch of wrestlers who made it great. It wasn't just one guy who dominated all the time, like Triple H is doing. You had The Rock, Stone Cold, Triple H, Mick Foley, and even the up-and-coming Kurt Angle. I mean did anybody really think back in 1998 that Mankind was gonna win the championship title? I mean just imagine if Mankind had been dumped on like a few of the wrestlers right now are.

[Donnie Darko]

Chris Jericho has been dumped on ever since his WCW feud with Goldberg, which Goldberg never let pan out because he is a douche bag.

[DOG LIPS]

I think it would be great for the fans and HHH himself if he would take a break for a while. We're having a HHH overdose, everyone is tired of his ass.

[The Techno Bat]

can't say i agree,they could definately do a heel turn with Orton but going back to evolution would kill his character stone dead.

I don't think it would kill his character Dead. Just a thought. Perhaps if Batista is still with Evolution, Orton can rejoin and they force HHH out...beating him down and out of the picture for awhile.

[Shifty]

I think it would be great for the fans and HHH himself if he would take a break for a while. We're having a HHH overdose, everyone is tired of his ass.

Then HHH would cease to exist.
If only Jericho had injured him more in that great tag match (HHH/Austin vs Benoit/Y2J) all those years ago we might've never had to see him wrestle again.

[3dman27]

.beating him down and out of the picture for awhile.
i wish SOMEBODY would maybe that'd teach "vince the wince" there's more to wrestling than the steroid boys

[Keyser Soze]

I hate all the pissing and moaning that goes on about Triple H. Face it, he's the World Champion because he's a legtimitate champion.

Sure, in 2003 he was out of shape, and maybe shouldn't have had the belt then, but throughout 2004 he was solid. He lost clean to Shelton benjamin twice, and didn't beat Chris Benoit once in the entire year. So you can't complain about him always winning.

[Booker T]

Plus he (Triple H) consistently puts on some of the best matches, whether it's at PPV or on Raw. He's got all the skills and is easily the most recognisable full-time wrestler at the moment, so i have to say i don't mind seeing him with the belt. Until Orton or Batista really step up, HHH is still the man (although a strong case could be made for Jericho if they gave him a shot).

[The Techno Bat]

I wouldn't say he is a legitimate champion. He is the bosses Son in Law, and whether you or anybody else wants to agree with me, that will always be a dark shadow over his head. I think that is why they put Ric Flair with HHH to kind of shift that type of talk away from HHH and Vince McMahon, but it is always there, on my mind anyway.

HHH is not the greatest wrestler, what does he bring? Punch, Kick, Stomp, High Knee, Pedigree, Sledge Hammer. Those are HHH's moves in a nut shell.

Now perhaps it shouldn't all be thrown HHH's way, it's not his fault that throughout the years Vince has decided to hold down practically everybody and only allow certain guys to shine. It was the same way with the old wCw, the older stars (which ran wCw as well) kept holding back the younger guys, and when the old guys ran there course nobody was there to step in, and I think that the WWE is going through that right now as well!

But it all comes down to money $ $ $ and HHH as the world champion does put butts in the seats, and at the end of the day that is what matters! I wonder what would happen if they gave Flair the title one last time for a great run, I bet that would sell tickets. Besides Ric Flair deserves it, hell when Hogan came back they gave him the title and he bailed! What about The Nature Boy, what about Ric Flair?

[Hunter Rider]

I wouldn't say he is a legitimate champion. He is the bosses Son in Law, and whether you or anybody else wants to agree with me, that will always be a dark shadow over his head. I think that is why they put Ric Flair with HHH to kind of shift that type of talk away from HHH and Vince McMahon, but it is always there, on my mind anyway.

HHH is not the greatest wrestler, what does he bring? Punch, Kick, Stomp, High Knee, Pedigree, Sledge Hammer. Those are HHH's moves in a nut shell.

Now perhaps it shouldn't all be thrown HHH's way, it's not his fault that throughout the years Vince has decided to hold down practically everybody and only allow certain guys to shine. It was the same way with the old wCw, the older stars (which ran wCw as well) kept holding back the younger guys, and when the old guys ran there course nobody was there to step in, and I think that the WWE is going through that right now as well!

the same things could be leveled at Austin and Hogan the 2 biggest draws of all time,the fact is when a promoter gets a wrestler that audiences are gonna pay money to see they stick with him plus HHH only became the bossess son in the last couple of years.Now his he the best wrestler ? NO but his ring generalship,mic skills and wrestling brain are all superior to anyone else in the buisness right now.Truth is guys like kane and RVD will never draw serious money,they lack that extra something that makes a champion.

[3dman27]

i concur with techno bat being mr macmahons son in law smacks of nepotism

[John Constantine]

Actually, to be honest, I don't really consider Triple H to be that huge of a draw. Look at 2003, when he was champion for that entire year. He had feuds against guys like RVD, Kane, Scott Steiner....the ratings for the WWE were really lagging at the time. Like very lagging. It wasn't until Chris Benoit was brought in that Raw turned itself around. And even right now, I don't see Triple H as the WWE's main heel. I mean, that's Kurt Angle IMO. Kurt Angle is kickass on the mic and consistently puts on great matches. I mean this guy can get the entire crowd booing for him without having to resort to the repetitive "I'm greater than everybody. All you fans suck because you know I'm the real champion" 20 minute long interviews by Triple H spews out every week on Raw.

[3dman27]

they should put preperation h on smackdownin exchange for rvd and angle or maye make him exclusive to heat

[Hunter Rider]

I think after Mania they should send Y2J to SD as he could really benefit there from the lack of talent on that show.
This way they could let Edge really have a go as the top heel on Raw and turn Randy heel as well with HHH taking a back seat

[The Techno Bat]

plus HHH only became the bossess son in the last couple of years.

That is true about becoming the son in law in the past few years, but before he started dating Stephanie he was more of a second rate wrestler running around with DX. And then we he started dating Stephanie things changed for HHH.

[The Techno Bat]

I think after Mania they should send Y2J to SD as he could really benefit there from the lack of talent on that show.
This way they could let Edge really have a go as the top heel on Raw and turn Randy heel as well with HHH taking a back seat

Agreed, anything that gets HHH out of the spotlight for awhile will be great!

[The Techno Bat]

Not that I am a huge HHH fan more of a Ric Flair fan WoOoOoOo!
But did any of you catch the WM commercial last night on Smackdown where HHH is dressed up like Mel Gibson from Braveheart and giving that speech and then when the turn to the spears nobody is there. Then you hear "WoOoOOO" Champ! Champ! My brother and I practically died laughing....that has got to be one of the funniest promo's ever for a PPV. Classic!

[DOG LIPS]

The Braveheart one is MUCH better than the Eugene one. I heard how funny the Gump one was, then when I saw it I was like 'meh'. But the Braveheart one was good. :D

[Hunter Rider]

a bit of news on the ECW PPV HERE (http://www.wrestlezone.com/article.php?articleid=109544124)

[John Constantine]

I have to admit, I'm digging some of the commercials for some of their bigger PPVs. Like that Royal Rumble one that was a send-off of West Side Story....brilliance.

[3dman27]

a west side story character wearing hurricanes mask
weird

[Donnie Darko]

ok, I'm gonna break my usual trend and say I really don't mind Triple-H as champ. He really is a great heel champ. I mean, he has all of us tuning in every week and for PPVs just to see him lose. Anyways, that said, I'm fine with him being champ. I just hate that he has been champ so many times. He loses and wins the belt multiple times every year. Every time someone else gets the belt, you know they're just holding it for him. If he was to be champ for as long as JBL has been, I'm fine with that. I just get pissed when he loses it and wins it back within a few months.


anyways, on to Smackdown...
I only caught like the last 5 minutes. What is this tournament for?

[Hunter Rider]

ok, I'm gonna break my usual trend and say I really don't mind Triple-H as champ. He really is a great heel champ. I mean, he has all of us tuning in every week and for PPVs just to see him lose. Anyways, that said, I'm fine with him being champ. I just hate that he has been champ so many times. He loses and wins the belt multiple times every year. Every time someone else gets the belt, you know they're just holding it for him. If he was to be champ for as long as JBL has been, I'm fine with that. I just get pissed when he loses it and wins it back within a few months.


anyways, on to Smackdown...
I only caught like the last 5 minutes. What is this tournament for?

#1 contender at wrestlemania i believe.

i cant believe they used that ****ty cage match as the main event from Raw,Kane/snitzky must be the worst feud ever,is vince having delusions again ?
It's just as well maria is hot cos even looking scared is beyond her acting capabilities

[Hunter Rider]

basically i got know clue why taker and kane are being put into these crap matches with 2 guys who clearly are hopeless.

I wonder where they are gonna go with Randy's character

[Donnie Darko]

yeah, that's two weeks in a row that Kane-Snitsky get main event booking on Raw

[Hunter Rider]

Kane I can understand because they've continually crapped on him. Has the guy even been in one good feud since he's been in the WWF/WWE? Even his (extremely) short title reign sucked and was **** because he didn't even pin Austin for the title :rolleyes: :mad:

Undertaker, it seems like he's always feuding with crappy ass wrestlers. Remember Giant Gonzales? And he was gonna feud with Nailz until he went psycho and attacked Vince.

oh christ Giant gonzalez was a terrible opponent,i just wonder how many more dumbass matches there gonna have i mean it's not like heidenriech and snitzky are winning the fights,only in the first match did snitzky win and heidenriech hasnt beat taker yet.they just leave it now and move on.Put kane back as a monster heel and give the Undertaker the damn mic

[John Constantine]

basically i got know clue why taker and kane are being put into these crap matches with 2 guys who clearly are hopeless.


Kane I can understand because they've continually crapped on him. Has the guy even been in one good feud since he's been in the WWF/WWE? Even his (extremely) short title reign sucked and was **** because he didn't even pin Austin for the title :rolleyes: :mad:

Undertaker, it seems like he's always feuding with crappy ass wrestlers. Remember Giant Gonzales? And he was gonna feud with Nailz until he went psycho and attacked Vince.

[John Constantine]

oh christ Giant gonzalez was a terrible opponent,i just wonder how many more dumbass matches there gonna have i mean it's not like heidenriech and snitzky are winning the fights,only in the first match did snitzky win and heidenriech hasnt beat taker yet.they just leave it now and move on.Put kane back as a monster heel and give the Undertaker the damn mic

It could've been worse....imagine if Mordecai would've stayed and he would've feuded with Undertaker.

And Undertaker really doesn't need the mic. And to be honest, I would rather see him feud with someone like Kurt Angle. Or hell, even have UT feud with Luther Reigns. Unlike Heidenreich, Reigns is a pretty good wrestler.