Wrestling

[John Constantine]

The thing is, Undertaker never really needed the mic to help him build feuds. His gimmick and intimidation factor and the fact he is over as hell with the crowd was enough. I mean all he has to do is come out and confront someone, doesn't have to speak, and people will pop for it.

Plus, I never liked it when UT talked on the mic with the deadman gimmick. When he's the Badass, however, is an entirely different matter....

[Hunter Rider]

It could've been worse....imagine if Mordecai would've stayed and he would've feuded with Undertaker.

And Undertaker really doesn't need the mic. And to be honest, I would rather see him feud with someone like Kurt Angle. Or hell, even have UT feud with Luther Reigns. Unlike Heidenreich, Reigns is a pretty good wrestler.

Taker vs Reigns would be good,they could play up Reigns prison angle and have a Hell in a Cell.Still I think mic work is essential for building feuds and Taker is so good at it,just seems a waste not to let him talk

[The Batman]

yeah, that's two weeks in a row that Kane-Snitsky get main event booking on Raw


What i hate about this fued is that Snitsky always seems to get more offense than kane

[Donnie Darko]

What I hate about this feud is that Snitsky sucks at wrestling and acting, so he doesn't sell any moves, he grins stupidly when he's supposed to be knocked out, and all of his promos suck.

[Hunter Rider]

What I hate about this feud is that Snitsky sucks at wrestling and acting, so he doesn't sell any moves, he grins stupidly when he's supposed to be knocked out, and all of his promos suck.

agreed,he should be sent back to OVW now the feud is like watching paint dry

[The Techno Bat]

Are they going to have The Undertaker team up with Kane to take on Gene Snitsky and John Hiedenrich @ WM?

I hope Not!

[Metamorpho1977]

Taker vs Reigns would be good,they could play up Reigns prison angle and have a Hell in a Cell.Still I think mic work is essential for building feuds and Taker is so good at it,just seems a waste not to let him talk

I remember when Reigns was a jobber in WCW a few years back, went by the name Horshu. Had his hair cut into a horse shoe design. I think he joined Raven's flock for a little while or something.

[3dman27]

why not let whe lighter weights wrestle ? you get tired of seeing the steroid boys all the time and since they've dumped most of the divas that are trained wrestlers the womens division is lacking.
one other thing
why is it everytime a wrestler takes time off they use an injury or family emergency storyline its getting so that now that the wwe has three wrestlers out due to legitimate knee injuries[lita, eugene and rvd] you start saying to yourself "ah baloney they arn't hurt its a PLOT DEVICE" you can hardly tell a real injury absence from a plot device nowadays and that doesn't seem fair to legitamately injured wrestlers :hyper:

[3dman27]

i taped wwe velocity last night after a couple of weeks off from it because i didn't see a spoiler for it at www.lordsofpain.net and when i watched the tape i found out why .it was nothing more than an INFOMERCIAL for wrestlemania21 .doesn't the wwe realize that people tune into wrestling shows to see WRESTLING MATCHES not an infomercial? and their doing the same thing with tonights HEAT i post this to give the fans fair warning the ppv night inomercials masqurading as HEAT eps are one thing but this is not acceptable

i have since learned i was in error about tonights heat show but the rest of my complaint stands as written

[Sabretooth]

Are they going to have The Undertaker team up with Kane to take on Gene Snitsky and John Hiedenrich @ WM?

I hope Not!
Well,I sure got that feel at Royal Rumble.

I'll be pissed if UNdertaker and Kane need to wrestle those two idiots at WM though.I remember reading Undertaker saying,''People like Heidenreich cause injuries'' and that he wouldn't want to feud with Heidenreich. I'm surprised Taker's taking this so lightly and feuding with Heidenreich for at least 4 months even though he knows about Heidenreich's clumsiness.:rolleyes:

And as for Kane,I really feel sorry for the guy.He's been continually crapped on ever since he took off his damn mask. And he deserves a respectful title reign. I mean,I'm glad he's been main eventing lately,but I'm pissed he has to main event with dumbass Snitsky,who by the way giggles like a school girl when he gets chokeslammed onto a bunch of tables.:rolleyes:

[Duende Verde]

There will be a DX Reunion on 2/11 in Tijuana as the main event for Promociones Mora is Konnan & Rey Misterio Sr.(Rey's uncle) & Nicho (Psychosis) vs. Billy Gunn & Road Dogg & X-Pac. Oh Boy, let the rumors begin. It's not ever going to happen in WWE again, ever.

[John Constantine]

Well,I sure got that feel at Royal Rumble.

I'll be pissed if UNdertaker and Kane need to wrestle those two idiots at WM though.I remember reading Undertaker saying,''People like Heidenreich cause injuries'' and that he wouldn't want to feud with Heidenreich. I'm surprised Taker's taking this so lightly and feuding with Heidenreich for at least 4 months even though he knows about Heidenreich's clumsiness.:rolleyes:


It seems Undertaker is willing to fight against anyone that he's handed to. Look who he's had to fight with his 10 plus years in the WWF/WWE. It's like a wrestlecrap.com who's who of ****ty wrestlers. I mean Giant Gonzales? He makes Heidenreich look like Kurt Angle. I mean it could be worse. He could be like some of those wrestlers who refuse to work against some wrestlers because they could make them look bad.

[Sabretooth]

It seems Undertaker is willing to fight against anyone that he's handed to. Look who he's had to fight with his 10 plus years in the WWF/WWE. It's like a wrestlecrap.com who's who of ****ty wrestlers. I mean Giant Gonzales? He makes Heidenreich look like Kurt Angle. I mean it could be worse. He could be like some of those wrestlers who refuse to work against some wrestlers because they could make them look bad.
Yeah.Undertaker's one of those people who's nice enough to put other people over. I mean sure it's a nice thing to do a and a good way to show how you appreciate the company,but some wrestlers just really don't desrve to be over. Like Heidenreich and Snitsky.


And I keep hearing about Gonzales,what was his deal?Why was he so bad??

[John Constantine]

Giant Gonzales was a waste-of-space 8-foot tall wrestler. Honestly, after seeing him, you'll appreciate Heidenreich and Snitsky.

http://www.angelfire.com/wrestling3/wrestlecrap2/Gonzales.html

[Dr. Manhatten]

Think of the positives: If UT and Kane face off against Snitsky and Heidenreich, then that's only one potentially crappy WM match. At least they won't extend it into 2 bad WM matches and take up time. 2 birds with one stone

[GLfan]

SMACKDOWN TO BE CANCELLED!!!
WWE SmackDown! Confirmed To Be Cancelled Soon
Reported By MBoone
1/26/2005

The following is an excerpt from an article on InsideBayArea.com:

SAD NEWS: UPN won't be bringing another installment of "Amish in the City" into your living room.
In fact, the network that blazed new trails in questionable taste from "Homeboys in Outer Space" to primetime wrestling — not to mention exploiting the religious beliefs of the Amish — offered a relatively tame presentation during the winter press tour.

That was in keeping with the news that UPN is going for respectability in the future, and in that future there's no room for senseless degrading of the Amish or for smackdowns.

That's right. There's only one year left on the contract for World Wrestling Federation's "Smackdown!" and the network has decided to let it go.

"It still makes us a decent amount of money," says Leslie Moonves, co-president and co-chief operating office for Viacom, which owns both CBS and UPN. "When you think about the powerhouses of CBS and NBC on Thursday night, it's great counter-programming. (But) it doesn't fit into the overall (programming) strategy."
__________________________________________________ _________________

I hope another network picks up Smackdown.

[3dman27]

they aren't dropping it

that rumor was recently debunked upn IS going for respectabilty but it wont cancel smackdown due to it

[John Constantine]

hahahaha. Oh god, this is funny :D



Credit: PW Torch

PWTorch is reporting that Brock Lesnar has filed a lawsuit against World Wrestling Entertainment.

Lesnar claims that WWE are stopping him from working in his chosen field due to the no compete clause he signed after leaving the company shortly after WrestleMania last year.

The no compete clause stops Lesnar from working for any other wrestling promotion, including Mixed Martial Arts, until his contract expires, which would not be until June 30, 2010.

We will have more on this as it comes to light.



I hope this is all just bull****, or else Lesner is probably the dumbest idiot in the world. He signed the contract...yet he's suing the WWE. What? Did the WWE force him to sign the contract at gunpoint? :confused:

[Shifty]

The Braveheart WrestleMania 21 Promo was hilarious. Ric Flair needs to head to Hollywood and get cast as a crazy grandpa. Seriously if RAW and SD! were written as good as these PPV ads, the ratings would be up.

[3dman27]

i have just learned from www.wrestledope.com that rey mysterio has quit the wwe the story said that he quit after being refused entry into a nightclub DESPITE being of legal age due to his height [he was aparently mistaken for a minor because of his size by club security]that and other teasing about his height prompted he departure from the company

[Keyser Soze]

Yeah...he gets refused entry into a nightclub, so he quits the WWE?

I smell bull...

[Keyser Soze]

I don't get how everyone craps all over Triple H, but you all have praise for The Undertaker. What is this, bizarro world?

You may talk about Triple H holding people back. That may have been the case in 2003, when he beat Kane, Rob Van Dam and Booker T. But look at what he's done in 2004. He's helped Shawn Michaels get over again. He tapped clean to Benoit at Wrestlemania 20. He faced Benoit several times in 2004, and lost every time. He jobbed to Shelton Benjamin twice. He may have won against Randy Orton and Eugene, but he carried them both to good, if not great, matches. Finally, apart from maybe Batista, Triple H was the star of the Elimination Chamber. His effort more than made up for the 2003 debacle.

Now let's have a look at The Undertaker. How often has he jobbed to rising stars? The first big feuds in the careers of Kurt Angle and John Cena were against The Undertaker. Both were jobbed out to him. The only up-and-comer to beat The Undertaker in recent years was Brock Lesnar. Now look at what The Undertaker did in 2004. At Wrestlemania 20 he destroyed Kane, completely killing Kane's heat as a monster heel. Booker T moved to Smackdown with a new opportunity to make it as a big-time heel. Undertaker killed him too, and it took him months to regain any heat, and even then it was as a face rather than as a heel. Undertaker then went on to have some dire matches with JBL, the only poor matches in what has been a surprisingly good title reign from Bradshaw. He then became embroiled in the lamest feud of 2004 against Hei...den...reich, which has stuttered along to now. Undertaker can't cut it as a main-eventer anymore, and should be putting people over. But he can't even do that properly.

[Goldenage Batman]

Anyone see Raw last night...?...I love the Japanese.....They totally thought Orton was in serious pain....

[DOG LIPS]

I don't know why, but Christian is becoming less and less annoying. :D:up:

[Donnie Darko]

Now let's have a look at The Undertaker. How often has he jobbed to rising stars? The first big feuds in the careers of Kurt Angle and John Cena were against The Undertaker. Both were jobbed out to him. The only up-and-comer to beat The Undertaker in recent years was Brock Lesnar. Now look at what The Undertaker did in 2004. At Wrestlemania 20 he destroyed Kane, completely killing Kane's heat as a monster heel. Booker T moved to Smackdown with a new opportunity to make it as a big-time heel. Undertaker killed him too, and it took him months to regain any heat, and even then it was as a face rather than as a heel. Undertaker then went on to have some dire matches with JBL, the only poor matches in what has been a surprisingly good title reign from Bradshaw. He then became embroiled in the lamest feud of 2004 against Hei...den...reich, which has stuttered along to now. Undertaker can't cut it as a main-eventer anymore, and should be putting people over. But he can't even do that properly.

If it makes you feel any better, I really don't like The Undertaker. I seriously think he has poor wrestling skills and I haven't dug his gimmick since the early 90s when I was still in elementary school.


But onto other things...

I guess we know what they're gonna do with Randy Orton now. I hope a feud with Christian goes over. I love Captain Charisma. It's about time he gets put over by a main-eventer. I've loved Randy Orton since he spit in Mick Foley's face and they had an awesome fight, so it'll be good to see him build up some heat and work his way into the title scene without it seeming forced.

Also, how bout that stare-down between Triple-H and Batista?

[Goldenage Batman]

That was sweet.....

[DOG LIPS]

Not to take ANYTHING away from Batista, but is he getting smaller??? He used to look huge compared to HHH, but last night they looked equal standing next to each other, Batista just looked more toned. :confused:

[Goldenage Batman]

If it makes you feel any better, I really don't like The Undertaker. I seriously think he has poor wrestling skills and I haven't dug his gimmick since the early 90s when I was still in elementary school.


.....Undertaker's my....favorite...wrestler...:(....

[Goldenage Batman]

Not to take ANYTHING away from Batista, but is he getting smaller??? He used to look huge compared to HHH, but last night they looked equal standing next to each other, Batista just looked more toned. :confused:


He didn't look smaller to me....maybe HHH just buffed up a little during the last week....

[DOG LIPS]

It was just a quick observation I guess, but they didn't look that different in size at all.

[Goldenage Batman]

I was really worried that Batista would go to Smackdown and I still am......But when I saw him look at the title last night....I was a happy little boy...:D.....

[Metamorpho1977]

What amazed me was HHH and Edge actually wrestling in the match and not just brawling. At least Japanese fans know how to enjoy a live wrestling event.

[Goldenage Batman]

They were quite as heck through out most of the matches....did you guys notice that..?....

[Sabretooth]

I don't get how everyone craps all over Triple H, but you all have praise for The Undertaker. What is this, bizarro world?

You may talk about Triple H holding people back. That may have been the case in 2003, when he beat Kane, Rob Van Dam and Booker T. But look at what he's done in 2004. He's helped Shawn Michaels get over again. He tapped clean to Benoit at Wrestlemania 20. He faced Benoit several times in 2004, and lost every time. He jobbed to Shelton Benjamin twice. He may have won against Randy Orton and Eugene, but he carried them both to good, if not great, matches. Finally, apart from maybe Batista, Triple H was the star of the Elimination Chamber. His effort more than made up for the 2003 debacle.

Now let's have a look at The Undertaker. How often has he jobbed to rising stars? The first big feuds in the careers of Kurt Angle and John Cena were against The Undertaker. Both were jobbed out to him. The only up-and-comer to beat The Undertaker in recent years was Brock Lesnar. Now look at what The Undertaker did in 2004. At Wrestlemania 20 he destroyed Kane, completely killing Kane's heat as a monster heel. Booker T moved to Smackdown with a new opportunity to make it as a big-time heel. Undertaker killed him too, and it took him months to regain any heat, and even then it was as a face rather than as a heel. Undertaker then went on to have some dire matches with JBL, the only poor matches in what has been a surprisingly good title reign from Bradshaw. He then became embroiled in the lamest feud of 2004 against Hei...den...reich, which has stuttered along to now. Undertaker can't cut it as a main-eventer anymore, and should be putting people over. But he can't even do that properly.
It's probably because of Undertaker's return. Cena,Angle,etc. were probably just returning the favor.Besides,Undertaker was like the first person in a long while to beat Cena.I actually looked at Cena different when he was fighting Undertaker.Before,Cena was an annoying little punk who won WAY too much.It was good to see someone FINALLY beat him.And as for Booker T,well,I have to agree with you.I would've liked him to be over more,he shoould've beat Taker more. And Kane,everyone knew Undertaker was coming back,it was his huge return and it was Wrestlemania.Of course he was going to win.

Oh,and in 2003,while HHH was holding people back,what was Taker doing?Putting Lesnar,Cena,Angle,etc. over.


Meh.:o

[Sabretooth]

They were quite as heck through out most of the matches....did you guys notice that..?....
Yeah,they didn't seem so excited as Americans usually are when HBK superkicked Flair.:confused:

[Goldenage Batman]

I figured that superkick would bring the house down....

[Goldenage Batman]

Also Sabertooth did you see when HBK was holding his knee...?....I think he really hurt himself....

[Keyser Soze]

I'm looking forward to a Christian/Randy Orton feud as well. Christian is a great wrestler, one of the most underrated on Raw. Plus, everything about his gimmick, from his mic work, to his ring attire, to his entrance, are all spot-on.

I'm keeping my fingers crossed for Batista/Christian at Backlash, but maybe I shouldn't get my hopes up too much...

[The Techno Bat]

Think of the positives: If UT and Kane face off against Snitsky and Heidenreich, then that's only one potentially crappy WM match. At least they won't extend it into 2 bad WM matches and take up time. 2 birds with one stone

You know what would be cool for a WM twist....

Seeing The Brothers of Destruction team up at WM is awesome, but against Hiedenrich and Snitsky, boring, dull, not interesting, over all crap match. But what if Taker and Kane dispose of them quickly and out come DeVon and Bubba Ray Dudley? And these guys start a feud? I mean where have The Dudleys been anyway? I haven't seen them on smackdown for quite some time?

[The Techno Bat]

Yeah,they didn't seem so excited as Americans usually are when HBK superkicked Flair.:confused:

I wonder if they weren't so pumped about the superkick, because right before HBK hits Flair with it, Flair is doing some sort of crazy dance, perhaps the fans were all jazzed about that and the respect they have for The Nature Boy seeing him get nailed like that didn't really do it for them. Maybe the felt bad for the greatest wrestler of all time WoOoOoOoOoOo! ! ! !

[WildChild]

I'm looking forward to a Christian/Randy Orton feud as well. Christian is a great wrestler, one of the most underrated on Raw. Plus, everything about his gimmick, from his mic work, to his ring attire, to his entrance, are all spot-on.

I'm keeping my fingers crossed for Batista/Christian at Backlash, but maybe I shouldn't get my hopes up too much...
I wouldent hold my breath for a Christian Batista at Backlash but a Christian Orton feud is great cuz it helps christian.Christian is one of my favorite wrestlers in the biz now.That guy is spot on everything.

[Donnie Darko]

Not to take ANYTHING away from Batista, but is he getting smaller??? He used to look huge compared to HHH, but last night they looked equal standing next to each other, Batista just looked more toned. :confused:

I think Batista has gotten a little smaller, but also leaner, so who knows. Triple-H was actually looking kind of soft for a while, but now he looks bigger than I've ever seen him. So maybe it's not that Batista is getting smaller, but Triple-H has gotten bigger and more solid over the last few months.

[John Constantine]

What amazed me was HHH and Edge actually wrestling in the match and not just brawling. At least Japanese fans know how to enjoy a live wrestling event.

That's what I loved about the Japanese crowd. They seemed so into the matches. Unlike some crowds here who get bored with a match after like 2 minutes.

[John Constantine]

I don't get how everyone craps all over Triple H, but you all have praise for The Undertaker. What is this, bizarro world?

You may talk about Triple H holding people back. That may have been the case in 2003, when he beat Kane, Rob Van Dam and Booker T. But look at what he's done in 2004. He's helped Shawn Michaels get over again. He tapped clean to Benoit at Wrestlemania 20. He faced Benoit several times in 2004, and lost every time. He jobbed to Shelton Benjamin twice. He may have won against Randy Orton and Eugene, but he carried them both to good, if not great, matches. Finally, apart from maybe Batista, Triple H was the star of the Elimination Chamber. His effort more than made up for the 2003 debacle.

Now let's have a look at The Undertaker. How often has he jobbed to rising stars? The first big feuds in the careers of Kurt Angle and John Cena were against The Undertaker. Both were jobbed out to him. The only up-and-comer to beat The Undertaker in recent years was Brock Lesnar. Now look at what The Undertaker did in 2004. At Wrestlemania 20 he destroyed Kane, completely killing Kane's heat as a monster heel. Booker T moved to Smackdown with a new opportunity to make it as a big-time heel. Undertaker killed him too, and it took him months to regain any heat, and even then it was as a face rather than as a heel. Undertaker then went on to have some dire matches with JBL, the only poor matches in what has been a surprisingly good title reign from Bradshaw. He then became embroiled in the lamest feud of 2004 against Hei...den...reich, which has stuttered along to now. Undertaker can't cut it as a main-eventer anymore, and should be putting people over. But he can't even do that properly.


That's true. To be honest, I don't really like the Undertaker as a main event champion as well. And he really hasn't shown himself to carry the WWE on his shoulders as well, as evidenced by his rather weak reigns as champion. I'm actually commending him on his willingness to work with some wrestlers who, quite honestly, shouldn't even be in the WWE in the first place. And I'm talking about guys like Gonzales, Mabel/Viscera, and Heidenreich. I mean a wrestler like him could've refused to work with those wrestlers

[DOG LIPS]

I think Batista has gotten a little smaller, but also leaner, so who knows. Triple-H was actually looking kind of soft for a while, but now he looks bigger than I've ever seen him. So maybe it's not that Batista is getting smaller, but Triple-H has gotten bigger and more solid over the last few months.
That's probably what it was. I knew something was up. :)

[Goldenage Batman]

What do ya guys think's going to happen tonight on Smackdown...?

[John Constantine]

Crap, I hope this isn't true :(

From lordsofpain.net:


In an interview with FilmForce.com, the Rock talks about his latest film projects and when the topic of returning to WWE comes up, he says:

"No. They've been wanted (sic) for a long time to get into the movie business and, I'm not too sure, I think like low budget movies, a lot of them straight to video. I think they wanted to and were looking for different distributors. No, my contract is actually up with them, it was up last year, so I'm done"


:(

[zer00]

ah man that sucks:(

[Sabretooth]

Crap, I hope this isn't true :(

From lordsofpain.net:


In an interview with FilmForce.com, the Rock talks about his latest film projects and when the topic of returning to WWE comes up, he says:

"No. They've been wanted (sic) for a long time to get into the movie business and, I'm not too sure, I think like low budget movies, a lot of them straight to video. I think they wanted to and were looking for different distributors. No, my contract is actually up with them, it was up last year, so I'm done"


:(
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!:( :(

[The Techno Bat]

Crap, I hope this isn't true :(

From lordsofpain.net:


In an interview with FilmForce.com, the Rock talks about his latest film projects and when the topic of returning to WWE comes up, he says:

"No. They've been wanted (sic) for a long time to get into the movie business and, I'm not too sure, I think like low budget movies, a lot of them straight to video. I think they wanted to and were looking for different distributors. No, my contract is actually up with them, it was up last year, so I'm done"


:(

I say good riddance. Goodbye! He hasn't been around in such a long time I completely forgot about him.........

[WildChild]

I will never forget about The Rock.

[Keyser Soze]

Sometimes I hate wrestling fans. I thought that TRUE fans would be happy that The Rock has found success in Hollywood and is gaining mainstream credibility and new fans.

But nooooooo, instead we get some sad, resentful little people that say crap like "Good riddance". Have you no lives? Would you rather The Rock stayed in the WWE until he was old and beaten down? Then we know what would happen. You would all be whining and saying "He should hurry up and retire, he sucks now!" So you want him to stay with WWE until you get bored with him, rather than when he has an opportunity to move onto bigger, better things? Well I say you are very selfish - it sort of reminds me of the "You Sold Out" chants that any ECW star who signed with WCW or WWE got before they left. As I said, pathetic.

And before you trash The Rock, you should clarify your facts. The Rock wanted to keep up a once-a-year appearance at Wrestlemania, offering to be paid per appearance rather than have a full-time contract (like Foley has), but McMahon turned him down, and he was the one that severed all ties.

[Donnie Darko]

I would love to see The Rock come back every now and then. I love the guy. I'm happy he has made it in Hollywood. He's becoming a legit star. It would be really nice to see him in the ring sometimes. I mean, he really is the most electrifying superstar in the history of sports enterainment. He worked the mic like nobody's business and delivered in the ring, too.

[Goldenage Batman]

Rock was the real reason to get me to start liking wrestling agian(back in 98,99).....When He won the title for the first time then went from good to bad I loved it...So it's really sad to know he's gone...Good luck in HollyWood Dwayne...:up:...

[Sabretooth]

I don't know though,Don't you guys think this would've been already revealed if it happened a year ago?

[John Constantine]

Well it probably wasn't brought up until someone decided to ask Rock about it. Or maybe his contract was up after 2004...I don't really know :confused:

I just hope it's not true. I'm glad that the Rock has found mainstream success in hollywood. He certainly has the charisma and screen presence to make it big. I just get a kick out of his once or twice a year appearances though and it'll be sad if he really is done with the company entirely. Particularly if he's not gonna show up at WM 21 this year what with it being in Hollywood. It's like the perfect set-up for him IMO.

[Sabretooth]

Yeah,Before they talked about Austin,I thought of The Rock when they were saying Wrestlemania goes Hollywood.


Can someone tell me what happened in the first hour of SD!?

[Sabretooth]

For a second I thought Torrie Wilson was gonna go for an F U :rolleyes:

[The Techno Bat]

Sometimes I hate wrestling fans. I thought that TRUE fans would be happy that The Rock has found success in Hollywood and is gaining mainstream credibility and new fans.

But nooooooo, instead we get some sad, resentful little people that say crap like "Good riddance". Have you no lives? Would you rather The Rock stayed in the WWE until he was old and beaten down? Then we know what would happen. You would all be whining and saying "He should hurry up and retire, he sucks now!" So you want him to stay with WWE until you get bored with him, rather than when he has an opportunity to move onto bigger, better things? Well I say you are very selfish - it sort of reminds me of the "You Sold Out" chants that any ECW star who signed with WCW or WWE got before they left. As I said, pathetic.

And before you trash The Rock, you should clarify your facts. The Rock wanted to keep up a once-a-year appearance at Wrestlemania, offering to be paid per appearance rather than have a full-time contract (like Foley has), but McMahon turned him down, and he was the one that severed all ties.

Why'd you have to go and yell at me :( Now you have made me :hulk:

You just need to calm down, because I know your talking about me. I am allowed to say whatever I want, because I have opinions. And besides your totally looking at it the wrong way, because I am not saying Good Riddance because I am selfish, and want the rock to stick around. I am saying it because I have never been a huge fan of the rock (I respect what he has done for the business though) and I am glad he has not resigned with the WWE. He hasn't been around for a long time and I haven't given him a second thought. He wants to find success in Hollywood I say Good for him, he deserves it!

So save your speech for somebody else, because I resent the fact that you jumped the gun and attacked me the way you did!

[Donnie Darko]

I missed SD completely, give me results, people.

[Metamorpho1977]

Did anyone catch the Basic Instinct Wrestlemania commercial last night on Smackdown? That was about the best part of the whole show. Starting with Stacey Keibler in the interrogation room in the Sharon Stone role, then she leaves after crossing her legs and Mae Young and Moolah come in Mae flashes them and the interrogators almost jump through the roof.

[Metamorpho1977]

If the WWE could get whoever is writing these wrestlemania spots, they might be able to make WWE entertaining again otherwise I say bring back the gimmick characters. Tatanka, Doink, and the like.

[3dman27]

i've gotta check my smackdown tape for THAT LOL

[Metamorpho1977]

It was either right before or right after the Funaki/Chavo match.

[The Techno Bat]

Did anyone catch the Basic Instinct Wrestlemania commercial last night on Smackdown? That was about the best part of the whole show. Starting with Stacey Keibler in the interrogation room in the Sharon Stone role, then she leaves after crossing her legs and Mae Young and Moolah come in Mae flashes them and the interrogators almost jump through the roof.

That was funny! But my favorite one is the Braveheart one with HHH and Ric Flair. Ric Flair totally steals that commercial....

[The Techno Bat]

If the WWE could get whoever is writing these wrestlemania spots, they might be able to make WWE entertaining again otherwise I say bring back the gimmick characters. Tatanka, Doink, and the like.

Bring in Vampiro! ! ! He rules

[The Techno Bat]

The best match of the night was between Kurt Angle and Rey Mysterio. That was a classic.

[John Constantine]

hmmm....this is interesting, but remember that sumo wrestler who was at both Raw and Smackdown this week? Well apparently he might fight the Big Show in WM 21. :D

[Pink Ranger]

hmmm....this is interesting, but remember that sumo wrestler who was at both Raw and Smackdown this week? Well apparently he might fight the Big Show in WM 21. :D

Big Show vs. Akebono: The Ultimate Pie Eating Contest.

[The Techno Bat]

hmmm....this is interesting, but remember that sumo wrestler who was at both Raw and Smackdown this week? Well apparently he might fight the Big Show in WM 21. :D

Really? I don't know if that will catch the attention of the fans for more than 2 minutes.

How come The Ultimo Dragon wasn't used in Japan? He is still with the company isn't he?

Where are the Dudley Boys?

[DOG LIPS]

Big Show vs. Akebono: The Ultimate Pie Eating Contest.
Disgusting. :mad:

...And tasty! :D

[3dman27]

Really? I don't know if that will catch the attention of the fans for more than 2 minutes.

How come The Ultimo Dragon wasn't used in Japan? He is still with the company isn't he?

Where are the Dudley Boys?if so perhaps he was unavailable due to commitments to the japaneese federation he's on loan to

[3dman27]

as for the dudleys i believe they are both on medical leave

[Keyser Soze]

Why'd you have to go and yell at me :( Now you have made me :hulk:

You just need to calm down, because I know your talking about me. I am allowed to say whatever I want, because I have opinions. And besides your totally looking at it the wrong way, because I am not saying Good Riddance because I am selfish, and want the rock to stick around. I am saying it because I have never been a huge fan of the rock (I respect what he has done for the business though) and I am glad he has not resigned with the WWE. He hasn't been around for a long time and I haven't given him a second thought. He wants to find success in Hollywood I say Good for him, he deserves it!

So save your speech for somebody else, because I resent the fact that you jumped the gun and attacked me the way you did!

Oh right, so you're smarmy and indifferent rather than petty and resentful. Sorry, my bad. I apologise for jumping the gun and misjudging you...

[JINoside]

Errmm.......RAW and Smackdown were very very good from Japan. It shows that they put alot of effort into it. The Rock, Big deal. No big news. I knew already before hand what was goin to happen. A few weeks ago there was news that he was upset at Vince for not calling him to renew his contract and that he hadn't been called. So i put two and two together and it was obvious what was goin to happen. So its no surprise to me, i knew they were goin to part ways anyways. Hes doing good as a movie star so its not a big loss for anyone....except his fans that just wait for Wrestlemania to see him......

Oh and Dudley's aren't on medical leave, they're training and should be back very soon......

[Donnie Darko]

Has anyone seen the Details magazine with The Rock? He is smaller than he was, but he is ripped.

[Pink Ranger]

He had liposuction done on his upper body recently. I'm not kidding, it was reported in an entertainment magazine show I saw last week.

[The Techno Bat]

He had liposuction done on his upper body recently. I'm not kidding, it was reported in an entertainment magazine show I saw last week.

When the Rock was promoting Walking Tall (I think) he was on Howard Stern and talked about how he had his lower pectoral muscles worked on to remove some unwanted fat that he couldn't seem to get rid of.

[The Techno Bat]

Oh right, so you're smarmy and indifferent rather than petty and resentful. Sorry, my bad. I apologise for jumping the gun and misjudging you...

Water under the bridge, I was having a bad day when I responded to your post. And after re-reading my post about The Rock leaving I could see where it could be taken that way. So I apologize too...

[John Constantine]

When the Rock was promoting Walking Tall (I think) he was on Howard Stern and talked about how he had his lower pectoral muscles worked on to remove some unwanted fat that he couldn't seem to get rid of.

I think that he also had a similar procedure done on him back in 1998. Or at least it was heavily rumored that it was. That was why he was wearing track pants and a shirt while wrestling for a month or so.

[The Techno Bat]

I think that he also had a similar procedure done on him back in 1998. Or at least it was heavily rumored that it was. That was why he was wearing track pants and a shirt while wrestling for a month or so.

I was wondering why he was doing that so much.

[John Constantine]

hahahaha...you won't believe who showed up at TNA:Against all Odds :D





The Wrestlers Formerly Known as Billy Gunn and X-Pac. They almost have a D-X reunion going on :D

[Keyser Soze]

Who cares about Billy frickin Gunn?

The thing we should really be talking about is the 30 minute Iron Man match between AJ Styles and "The Fallen Angel" Christopher Daniels.

These guys are two of the best in the world today, and it was a given that this would be a match of the year candidate. These guys deserve to be at the top of TNA.

[Goldenage Batman]

I like Rene Dupree.....I think he's awsome....

[Keyser Soze]

From AJ Styles and Christopher Daniels....to Rene Dupree.

I think that's what's known as a downward spiral...

[Goldenage Batman]

But you still love me though....Right...?....

[3dman27]

well most posters here are more familiar with wwe wrestling so thats why this thread has mostly wwe based posts

[Goldenage Batman]

What?

[3dman27]

read posts 3083 and 3085

[Goldenage Batman]

:confused:...

[3dman27]

kesyer kingpin mentioned a tna match between aj styles and cristipher daniels and your mention of rennee dupre' caused him to mention a down ward spiral and i mentioned that most posters here are more familiar with and interested in the wwe

[3dman27]

i read that at wrestlemania 21 trish stratus will defend her title aganst both moll and victoria any comments

[Goldenage Batman]

3 of them...

1)Thank you
2)My little Kibler Elf hasn't been the Champ before she should get a chance...
3)I'm getting tried of seeing these three chicks in the ring...So I dodn't care who wins....

[3dman27]

3 of them...

1)Thank you
2)My little Kibler Elf hasn't been the Champ before she should get a chance...
3)I'm getting tried of seeing these three chicks in the ring...So I dodn't care who wins....you're welcome but calling stacey keibler an elf might get her and the wwe suied by the keibler cookie co. i wouldn't mind seeing "lethal legs "keibler as womans champ myself

[The Techno Bat]

Who cares about Billy frickin Gunn?

The thing we should really be talking about is the 30 minute Iron Man match between AJ Styles and "The Fallen Angel" Christopher Daniels.

These guys are two of the best in the world today, and it was a given that this would be a match of the year candidate. These guys deserve to be at the top of TNA.

I didn't watch the PPV, but I heard these two guys put on one hell of a show...I wish I had ordered the PPV now. I will have to check out Impact on Friday for highlights.

I have always been a huge fan of Christopher Daniels, ever since I first saw him a couple years ago when he faced off against Vampiro in MLW. Sure he lost, but he pulled off some pretty cool moves. And putting him in a program with AJ Styles you cannot go wrong with that. I just hope that they don't let guys like Nash and Jarrett screw with that by putting it on the back burner or something like that because of jealousy

[The Techno Bat]

Anyone know who is going to be wrestling tonight on Raw?

[Keyser Soze]

Thankfully, the likes of Kevin Nash don't have the same political power they had in WCW. So, the X Division will get the publicity it deserves, hopefully. Yeah, the X Division is great, but sadly, the NWA World Title division isn't on the same level.

I've been saying this since the start of TNA, but I'll stand by it - if TNA could get a heavyweight division to match its X Division, it would become a real competitor to WWE. I've also stated on several wrestling forums that the X Title shouldn't be a secondary title, but should be seen as equal to the NWA World Title. I'll stand by that too.

Why? Because the X Division is where all the talent is. Who's TNA's best face? AJ Styles, X Division. Who's TNA's best heel? Christopher Daniels, X Division. What's TNA's best trademark match? Ultimate X. The X Division is the backbone of TNA, but it can't carry the whole promotion on its shoulders for much longer. The NWA World Title Division has to be sorted out. But how do we do that?

1. Get Rid Of The Has-Beens
One central flaw in TNA's thinking is that bringing in od WWE guys, they will gain popularity. Sorry, no, they won't. The only bonafide success of this strategy has been bringing in Jeff Hardy. Trust me, I hate the guy, but for some inexplicable reason, he's mega over. I don't count Raven as an ex-WWE guy, as it was ECW and, to a lesser extent, WCW where he really made his name. Raven's past his best, but can occasionally have a great match, so I'd say he's a keeper.

But what about the likes of Scott Hall, Kevin Nash, Billy Gunn, Sean Waltman? These guys won't draw flies. Casual WWE fans utterly despise these guys. They don't associate Hall and Nash with their Outsiders heyday, they associate them with the crap WWE NWO Invasion angle. Fans didn't give a toss about Gunn when he was in WWE, despite several big-time pushes, so why would they care about him in TNA? And Waltman may be the one person out of the quartet that has talent, but most casual fans have all but forgotten him.

But having these guys in TNA does provoke a reaction from WWE fans. Do they say "Wow, look, an alternative to WWE!"? No, they say, "Ha ha! TNA is just made up of washed-up WWE has-beens." Trust me, I know. When I used to go on WWE Chat to tell people about WWE, they'd cite this as a reason not to watch TNA.

The solution, get rid of these guys. They aren't credible title contenders. But they won't be happy out of the main event. Raven, Hardy, and maybe DDP or Waltman could be kept, but not the big egos they've been drawing in like Hall and Nash, and not a waste of space like Billy Gunn.

2. Establish A Top Face
Rather than turning to superstars of the past, TNA should be focusing on creating the superstars of the future. Remember what it was that put WWE on top of WCW? They created NEW stars - first Stone Cold Steve Austin, then The Rock. If TNA is going to break through the glass ceiling, its going to be a new flagship babyface that's going to be the one doing the shattering.

The problem is that TNA is having difficulty establishing a top dog superface. All the top faces at the moment just seem to be fodder for Jarrett. The two most promising prospects for a top heavyweight face are Jeff Hardy and Monty Brown. However, as I've stated, I hate Jeff Hardy, due to the fact that he's talentless. Monty Brown has big-time potential, but his loss to Jarrett damaged him.

So the current roster is probably lacking the next big thing - what's the solution?

3. Hire New Talent
Continuing on with the theme of finding the legends of the future, TNA has to think outside the box. It has to start sending out scouts and hiring indy talent. Of course, they could expand there already healthy X-Division, but what they need to look for is talented wrestlers who could wrestle a heavyweight style in the NWA Title Division. Here's just a short list of talented indy wrestlers who fit this criteria:

CM Punk
Colt Cabana
Steve Corino
Homicide
Bryan Danielson
Doug Williams
Nigel McGuiness
Dan Maff
Austin Aries
Roderick Strong
Rocky Romero
Ricky Reyes
Super Dragon
Jay Lethal
Samoa Joe

Out of this list, I'd say the people that crop up first and last have the most potential. We all CM Punk has had his issues with TNA, but they could surely be resolved if the price was right. CM Punk could reprise his excellent ROH feud with Raven, and use that to springboard onto main event success, first as a heel, then as a face. CM Punk has talent and charisma by the bucketload, and if used correctly, could be TNA's answer to Steve Austin.

But, if they wanted to take the same direction with the NWA Title Division as they are taking with the X Division, making talent more important than character, then Samoa Joe could be a top guy. Though he doesn't have Punk's superstar look, he has talent and mic skills, and has proven that he can be a legitimate champ. he could easily be a top guy as well.

Of course, the World Title Division is only one of TNA's weaknesses, but I'll save the rest for another post.

[John Constantine]

About the issue of a top face in TNA, I've heard of Chris Harris' name mentioned as a possible main eventer for the company. But then again, I don't even get any current TNA shows here in Canada. All we have here are the year old episodes where the SEX stable is running rampant :mad: :(

[The Techno Bat]

Thankfully, the likes of Kevin Nash don't have the same political power they had in WCW. So, the X Division will get the publicity it deserves, hopefully. Yeah, the X Division is great, but sadly, the NWA World Title division isn't on the same level.

I've been saying this since the start of TNA, but I'll stand by it - if TNA could get a heavyweight division to match its X Division, it would become a real competitor to WWE. I've also stated on several wrestling forums that the X Title shouldn't be a secondary title, but should be seen as equal to the NWA World Title. I'll stand by that too.

Why? Because the X Division is where all the talent is. Who's TNA's best face? AJ Styles, X Division. Who's TNA's best heel? Christopher Daniels, X Division. What's TNA's best trademark match? Ultimate X. The X Division is the backbone of TNA, but it can't carry the whole promotion on its shoulders for much longer. The NWA World Title Division has to be sorted out. But how do we do that?

1. Get Rid Of The Has-Beens
One central flaw in TNA's thinking is that bringing in od WWE guys, they will gain popularity. Sorry, no, they won't. The only bonafide success of this strategy has been bringing in Jeff Hardy. Trust me, I hate the guy, but for some inexplicable reason, he's mega over. I don't count Raven as an ex-WWE guy, as it was ECW and, to a lesser extent, WCW where he really made his name. Raven's past his best, but can occasionally have a great match, so I'd say he's a keeper.

But what about the likes of Scott Hall, Kevin Nash, Billy Gunn, Sean Waltman? These guys won't draw flies. Casual WWE fans utterly despise these guys. They don't associate Hall and Nash with their Outsiders heyday, they associate them with the crap WWE NWO Invasion angle. Fans didn't give a toss about Gunn when he was in WWE, despite several big-time pushes, so why would they care about him in TNA? And Waltman may be the one person out of the quartet that has talent, but most casual fans have all but forgotten him.

But having these guys in TNA does provoke a reaction from WWE fans. Do they say "Wow, look, an alternative to WWE!"? No, they say, "Ha ha! TNA is just made up of washed-up WWE has-beens." Trust me, I know. When I used to go on WWE Chat to tell people about WWE, they'd cite this as a reason not to watch TNA.

The solution, get rid of these guys. They aren't credible title contenders. But they won't be happy out of the main event. Raven, Hardy, and maybe DDP or Waltman could be kept, but not the big egos they've been drawing in like Hall and Nash, and not a waste of space like Billy Gunn.

2. Establish A Top Face
Rather than turning to superstars of the past, TNA should be focusing on creating the superstars of the future. Remember what it was that put WWE on top of WCW? They created NEW stars - first Stone Cold Steve Austin, then The Rock. If TNA is going to break through the glass ceiling, its going to be a new flagship babyface that's going to be the one doing the shattering.

The problem is that TNA is having difficulty establishing a top dog superface. All the top faces at the moment just seem to be fodder for Jarrett. The two most promising prospects for a top heavyweight face are Jeff Hardy and Monty Brown. However, as I've stated, I hate Jeff Hardy, due to the fact that he's talentless. Monty Brown has big-time potential, but his loss to Jarrett damaged him.

So the current roster is probably lacking the next big thing - what's the solution?

3. Hire New Talent
Continuing on with the theme of finding the legends of the future, TNA has to think outside the box. It has to start sending out scouts and hiring indy talent. Of course, they could expand there already healthy X-Division, but what they need to look for is talented wrestlers who could wrestle a heavyweight style in the NWA Title Division. Here's just a short list of talented indy wrestlers who fit this criteria:

CM Punk
Colt Cabana
Steve Corino
Homicide
Bryan Danielson
Doug Williams
Nigel McGuiness
Dan Maff
Austin Aries
Roderick Strong
Rocky Romero
Ricky Reyes
Super Dragon
Jay Lethal
Samoa Joe

Out of this list, I'd say the people that crop up first and last have the most potential. We all CM Punk has had his issues with TNA, but they could surely be resolved if the price was right. CM Punk could reprise his excellent ROH feud with Raven, and use that to springboard onto main event success, first as a heel, then as a face. CM Punk has talent and charisma by the bucketload, and if used correctly, could be TNA's answer to Steve Austin.

But, if they wanted to take the same direction with the NWA Title Division as they are taking with the X Division, making talent more important than character, then Samoa Joe could be a top guy. Though he doesn't have Punk's superstar look, he has talent and mic skills, and has proven that he can be a legitimate champ. he could easily be a top guy as well.

Of course, the World Title Division is only one of TNA's weaknesses, but I'll save the rest for another post.

These are all great points and I think that the X belt should definately be seen as a legit title belt. Hell some of the WWE cruiserweight should try to get out of there contracts and come on over to TNA and get the respect they deserve. I mean guys like Aiko, Paul London, and even The Hurricane could all be mega X division stars.

Monty Brown should be the big guy they focus on, and he might be a bit damaged due to his loss to Jarrett, but wasn't there interference that cost him that match? So hopefully they can rebound him and give him another run and push. I just wish Jeff Jarrett would get down from off his high horse and allow other guys to hold the title longer than a month (AJ Styles) or just win it.

I think your right about with them bringing in the Older WWE guys. They are trying to relive the days of wCw when they did it and turned there company around, but the one thing I think they are not getting is that they had excellent writing, and perhaps TNA needs to go out there and find some top notch writers. TNA has plenty of stars to use, they don't need Nash, Hall, X-Pac, Billy Gunn, etc...

Raven is a keeper because unlike the other guys mentioned he will put people over and lose a match, and why is that? because he loves this business, and wants to see it survive. I remember when he was battling it out with CM Punk and Julio Dinero, with Father James Mitchell and Vampiro, now that was a great storyline, but I think it was done during the days of having to pay 9.99 every wednesday night so many people might not have seen it. I did and it was awesome! Shane Douglas was thrown into the mix and it was something special.

[Keyser Soze]

They should really bring CM Punk back, and have him have a huge feud with Raven. The Raven/CM Punk feud in ROH was easily the best of 2003, and they should try and recreate some of that heat on TNA. I'd say a feud of that caliber, with Punk as the heel and Raven as the face, could propel Punk into a World Title feud with a face champ. Then eventually, Punk could turn face and be one of their flagship talents.

[3dman27]

does anyone have any comments on last nights raw

[GLfan]

I haven't seen the last 45min yet but, what I did see was kinda boring.

[The Techno Bat]

They should really bring CM Punk back, and have him have a huge feud with Raven. The Raven/CM Punk feud in ROH was easily the best of 2003, and they should try and recreate some of that heat on TNA. I'd say a feud of that caliber, with Punk as the heel and Raven as the face, could propel Punk into a World Title feud with a face champ. Then eventually, Punk could turn face and be one of their flagship talents.

CM Punk could be to TNA what Sting was to wCw if done properly! Did you ever see him and the other ROH guys when they were on Monster Garage with Jesse James? It was great

[The Techno Bat]

does anyone have any comments on last nights raw

other than *YaWn yAwN* excuse me. What was the question again?

Seriously though, the second HHH said that JBL was on his way to the building to confront Batista I knew it was a HHH mind game, and the end part with JBL's limo almost running down Batista was a dead giveaway. We never see JBL. The WWE is so damn predictable. And after last night, Batista is definately staying with Raw, even though he said he was going to Smackdown this thursday night to confront JBL.

I am tired of Randy Orton and his super human, I can kick out of anybodies finisher persona. He and Christian put on one hell of a match, mainly because Christian carried it to greatness, but of course they allow Orton to win. I think this match should have had a No Contest or a DQ win for Orton. Chrsitian is a great heel along with Tomko, and they should be allowed to not lose heat, and lose matches.

If anything Snitsky should have lost cleanly to Benjamin and The Orton vs Christian match should have ended in the DQ. I have no idea why Snitsky is still around. He S*cks, and actually I have my suspisions that it will be The Brothers of Destruction vs Hiedenrich and Snitsky. BORING! ! !

Regal and Tajiri as the tag champions is fine, because Regal really is an underused talent on Raw as well, he should be a main focus in the IC title hunt, not as a tag team specialist. With all that said I wish that La Resistance still had the straps, they are one hell of a tag team, and show what tag team wrestling is all about.

I was shocked to see Hassen pick up the win over Jericho though, sure there was interference and all. Perhaps they are creating heat for a WM match or something. It really is too bad, because Jericho has fallen so low on that ladder.

Roddy Piper is another Hall of Fame inductee. Doesn't he still have a contract with TNA? I wonder how that will work? Meaning can he show up at a WWE event?

There is my two cents

[Keyser Soze]

I was really hoping for a big-time Christian VS Randy Orton feud heading into Wrestlemania. If they are planning to do this, they shouldn't have had Orton and Christian fighting at all, never mind having Orton win. One plus is that, if they do have a rematch at Wrestlemania, it could be Christian's turn to win.

And I heard about that "Monster Garage" episode with CM Punk and Samoa Joe in it. Shame we don't get that show in the UK. I think if CM Punk was used properly, he could be the next big thing in wrestling, and the guy who puts TNA's World Title division on the map the way AJ Styles has put the X Division on the map.

He was apparently backstage at the PPV on Sunday, so he could be returning...

[mrvlknight21]

I agree with a lot of the poster on here, I miss ECW the most. Seeing the shows live (I went to 3 or 4) was soooo much better than WCW (went to 5 shows, including the Nitro in Atlanta where Goldberg first won the belt) and WWE (went to 4 shows including the Royal Rumble). The entertainment level and crowd participation at ECW FAR surpassed anything at the other shows. Now, like EVERYONE has mentioned no competition=no creative storylines, characters or matches, thus low entertainment value. TNA I have watched on occasion and its good some weeks and some weeks its awful.

[Keyser Soze]

Hey, mrvlknight, welcome to The Hype!

What are your thoughts on the upcoming ECW reunion PPV?

[SLYspyda]

what i want to know is wtf is going to happen to evolution. they need a couple of new members, and IMO, it won't hurt if they had 1 or 2 female wrestlers in it.

Maven should go in and take Orton's place
not sure who should take batista's place, Kane turns heel?
Trish would be perfect for evolution.

[Goldenage Batman]

What I want to know is if Batista does go to Smackdown to stay...Who well be in his Smackdon Evolution...?...

Smackdown's Evolution Dream Team:
Batista
Rene Dupree
Big Show
John Cena....

[3dman27]

how about the bronze warrior and or the olympic hero

[mrvlknight21]

Thanks Keyser Kingpin. I wasnt aware that there was an ECW reunion coming...I will definitely check it out...you got any detials?

[Sabretooth]

how about the bronze warrior and or the olympic hero
Hell no to Suzuki.He went to hell when he first debuted.He was supposed to be born with rage,yet he loves America? :down

[0neDisturbedSOB]

It's obvious Batista isn't going to jump to smackdown so there is no concern for him to create a new Evolution from that roster. The whole point of him challenging HHH is break away from Evolution and establish himself as his own man...not just HHH's hired muscle.

I am curious to know when the WWE is going to start pushing the WM storylines so we know for sure who's taking on who at WM21. I heard a rumor that Austin and Hogan MIGHT be teaming up to take on Muhammed Hassan and Duvari, if that's true they'd better get those 2 in quick to light the fire. My guess would be a Jericho VS Hassan match but who knows. WM21 is in a month and a half and we still have no clear cut matches set up...I'm guessing it'll be Cena VS JBL but now I wonder if they'll have Cena drop the US title before April.

Both RAW and Smackdown have bee 'ok' as of late which sucks because this is usually the time when things start to get really good. I want to see some interbrand matches going on...HBK VS Angle would be great.

[Sabretooth]

It's probably going to be Cena.I bet Eddie Guerrero's gonna turn heel and interfere with the match between Cena and Booker.

[John Constantine]

And HBK will probably show up and interfere in the Angle/Cena match in No Way Out, shades of Goldberg interfering last year against Brock Lesner.

And to be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if Cena does end up holding the US title all the way to WM 21. I can't really see anybody in the mid-card who can hold the US title right now, sadly.

Unless you count Orlando Jordan.....

[WildChild]

I wanted Christian to win that match so bad,And Randy Orton kicking out of all that he went through is wack.

[DOG LIPS]

Orton is getting on my nerves. Not even finishing moves can stop him anymore. :mad:

[Sabretooth]

GOD I ****ing miss Heel Orton! I know I'm not the only one who misses Orton walking out slowly,doing that little arm thing,with the pyros falling behind him,and Motorhead blaring in the background.

And now?''Heyyyyyyyyyy nothing you can sayyyyyyyyyyyy'' (Orton walks down the ramp) ''TRIPLE H!I WANT MY TITLE BACK!'' :mad:

Oh,and of course, I appreciated how when he was heel he didn't look like he was worshipping Undertaker's urn every time he went for the RKO.:(

[WildChild]

GOD I ****ing miss Heel Orton! I know I'm not the only one who misses Orton walking out slowly,doing that little arm thing,with the pyros falling behind him,and Motorhead blaring in the background.

And now?''Heyyyyyyyyyy nothing you can sayyyyyyyyyyyy'' (Orton walks down the ramp) ''TRIPLE H!I WANT MY TITLE BACK!'' :mad:

Oh,and of course, I appreciated how when he was heel he didn't look like he was worshipping Undertaker's urn every time he went for the RKO.:(
Agreed on all points.That Evoltion Theme is amazing.

[John Constantine]

Yeah, I don't usually like Evolution much, and I have to admit, the entrance theme and music video for the group was pretty kickass :up:

Orton's "new" theme music sucks so much in comparison now.

And I still say he should turn back to the heel Legend Killer. Right now, he's nothing more than your average run-of-the-mill babyface.

[SLYspyda]

i honestly don't think evolution would've gotten so big if they didnt have that entrance

[Keyser Soze]

Thanks Keyser Kingpin. I wasnt aware that there was an ECW reunion coming...I will definitely check it out...you got any detials?

Well, nothing's been confirmed yet, but its just about certain it will happen. Right now in it's official schedules, WWE have a June PPV set for Viking Hall, the home of ECW. The yhave also bought the rights to the name "ECW: One Night Stand".

So, process of elimination? There will be an ECW reunion show in Viking Hall called "ECW - One Night Stand". This has been in the works for quite a while, but the record-breaking sales of "The Rise And Fall Of ECW" on DVD has convinced WWE that the demand for ECW is still high.

[3dman27]

if lita wasn't injured do you think she'd go back to her ecw role as miss congeniality? :hyper:

[thedeadite]

i've lost ALL interest in the supposed ECW reunion ppv since Heyman doesn't have anything to do with it (writing, booking) anymore....pointless

[freezeface]

When TNA Impact debuted last June, I thought, at the very least, that I'd have a great alternative to WWE's S.O.C. (Same Old Crap). Now, neither one is all that interesting, as Impact matches need to be longer, and the program itself needs to expand to two hours. On the plus side, Impact has more matches and better commentary than RAW or Smackdown. The only two things that grab my attention on WWE shows now, are their WM21 movie parody commercials, and the Evolution-Batista storyline. Right now, WWE are doing with Batista what they should have done with Randy Orton: Not shove him down our throats! They're determined to make Orton into the next Rock or Steve Austin (which I never saw in him). He's an upper mid-carder at best, yet WWE is practically telling fans: "This is who you should cheer for." I can't like a character who almost never needs to struggle to get a win in a match, and especially a performer who still can't pull off a decent Diamond Cutter.

[John Constantine]

Those WM 21 movie parody commercials are pretty funny. The Basic Instinct one was classic. Chris Benoit's reaction through most of it made the commercial IMO.

There's supposed to be a new one coming up in SD, this time (finally) featuring Smackdown stars. A parody of Pulp Fiction featuring Booker T and Eddie Guerrero :D

[The Techno Bat]

Batista is definately staying put and the HHH vs Batista heat for there main event at WM is slowly moving along. We all know it's HHH with the JBL crap. From the video tapes of JBL & the Big Show, and HHH set up that entire JBL Limo stunt.

But for fun if batista jumped to smackdown and they had an Evolution faction my three would be:

Batista- He would be the Present part of Evolution, representing the best of the best today

Taz or Al Snow or Hardcore Holly- Either of these guys could fill the past role of the group. Similar to Ric Flair's role in the current Evolution

Carlito- He would be the Future what Randy Orton was to the group before he got booted.

[3dman27]

Batista is definately staying put and the HHH vs Batista heat for there main event at WM is slowly moving along. We all know it's HHH with the JBL crap. From the video tapes of JBL & the Big Show, and HHH set up that entire JBL Limo stunt.

But for fun if batista jumped to smackdown and they had an Evolution faction my three would be:

Batista- He would be the Present part of Evolution, representing the best of the best today

Taz or Al Snow or Hardcore Holly- Either of these guys could fill the past role of the group. Similar to Ric Flair's role in the current Evolution

Carlito- He would be the Future what Randy Orton was to the group before he got booted




sounds logical to me

[Keyser Soze]

If Harcore Holly went anywhere near that group, it would automatically suck, since everything he touches turns to crap. I hate Hardcore Holly, more than anyone else in the WWE. He's a talentless, resentful moron who's only apparent skill is injuring up-and-coming talent as payback for them getting pushed over him.

[Goldenage Batman]

Yeah but Crash was awsome..god rest his soul.....

[3dman27]

Yeah but Crash was awsome..god bless his soul.....
amen RIP CRASH HOLLY

[Hunter Rider]

Randy vs Taker at Mania (http://www.wrestlezone.com/article.php?articleid=110670693) sounds cool to me.

Also there is news on more kane vs snitzky crap:mad: :down

[John Constantine]

If Harcore Holly went anywhere near that group, it would automatically suck, since everything he touches turns to crap. I hate Hardcore Holly, more than anyone else in the WWE. He's a talentless, resentful moron who's only apparent skill is injuring up-and-coming talent as payback for them getting pushed over him.

Yep. I lost all respect for him after he whaled away on that one kid during Tough Enough. It was totally uncalled for IMO. It's a crying shame that he's still in the WWE to be honest, his ass should've been released back during the Great Talent Purge of last year.

[JINoside]

Randy vs Taker at Mania (http://www.wrestlezone.com/article.php?articleid=110670693) sounds cool to me.

Also there is news on more kane vs snitzky crap:mad: :down

Errm.....WrestleZone is crap. They have to many pop ups and adds. And it usually loads very slowly for me. You should go somewhere better with no adds.......

[3dman27]

according to a smackdown spoiler at www.lordsofpain.net amy webber has been written out of the smackown storyline as being fired by jbl after his limo was used to attac batista on raw [ms webber left the company due to complaints of sexual harrassment]

[Hunter Rider]

Errm.....WrestleZone is crap. They have to many pop ups and adds. And it usually loads very slowly for me. You should go somewhere better with no adds.......

just geta pop up blocker and sorry ive never had any trouble with it loading but here's the article:up:


Partial Source: The Torch

Vince McMahon needs help getting in and out of a wheelchair on a daily basis and also needs help getting in and out of bed. This is a real 'down-low' type deal in WWE as nobody wants to be heard talking about the boss behind his back.

Vignettes are already in production right now for Randy Orton vs. The Undertaker for WrestleMania 21.

With the scheduled tag match off at WrestleMania, this could open up a spot for Matt Hardy at WrestleMania, with one person speculating of a three way with Kane, Snitzky, and Hardy with Lita at ringside.

[John Constantine]

THe Kane-Lita-Snitzky-Hardy angle is never gonna end is it? :(

[Hunter Rider]

THe Kane-Lita-Snitzky-Hardy angle is never gonna end is it? :(


It doesn't look like it:mad: but at least taker and hiedenriech's angle seems done:up:

[Spider-Nerd]

Captain Charisma ROCKS!

[Sabretooth]

I'm so sick of John Cena.I can't even remember the last time I saw him lose.He reminds me so much of Orton.Invincible,kicks out of finishers,etc.

Booker T just can't get any respect.:(

[John Constantine]

Captain Charisma ROCKS!

Yep. I would really like to see him move to SD after WM 21 (provided they do another draft) just to see him fight a few new wrestlers though. I think he's basically fought everyone there is to fight on Raw.

[JINoside]

I only saw the last hour of Smackdown. But i liked it......well some of it.....

I'm so sick of John Cena.I can't even remember the last time I saw him lose.He reminds me so much of Orton.Invincible,kicks out of finishers,etc.Booker T just can't get any respect.:(

Hmm.....When was the last time he lost a match by pin?. Orton and him are similar at that. Booker T...Sucks that hes degraded so badly. Hes still greate, its just that he really doesn't get respect anymore.....

just geta pop up blocker and sorry ive never had any trouble with it loading but here's the article:up:

Oh i have a pop up blocker, its just that somehow whenever i block some, new pop ups come up. I think it loads so slowly because of all the ads. I preffer this page for news since it has no pop upds and has basically the same news.......

http://www.impactwrestling.com/index.aspx

[WildChild]

Christian deserves a push to the moon after the match he got out of Orton.

[3dman27]

Captain Charisma ROCKS!remember when y2j as acting gm had crhistian wrestle AS capt charisma? lol ha looked like a refuge from the hurricanes rogues gallery i only wish he had wrestled HURRI instead of shelton benjamin

[Goldenage Batman]

CC and Maven dervesevs more then what they get...They both have alot of potential....

[Donnie Darko]

I missed SD again last night... what happened?

[Goldenage Batman]

Batista beat the crap out of JBL'S limo....

[Donnie Darko]

that's actually the only thing I saw, that and Cena talking junk to Angle

[Goldenage Batman]

Eddie and Ray are going to face the Bash brothers at No Way Out for the belts...

[SLYspyda]

while jbl's cabinet went out of the ring to stop batista in the parking lot (who got in a car and drove away), the big show came out and was beating up jbl, then his cabinet came back and put down the big show, then batista came out and owned jbl's cabinet, then he and big show stared at jbl as he backed out of the ring talking trash.

[The Techno Bat]

If Harcore Holly went anywhere near that group, it would automatically suck, since everything he touches turns to crap. I hate Hardcore Holly, more than anyone else in the WWE. He's a talentless, resentful moron who's only apparent skill is injuring up-and-coming talent as payback for them getting pushed over him.

You guys are right F**K Hardcore Holly! ! ! I really can't stand the guy and I don't know what I was thinking when I added him to the list, let's just scratch him off....

[The Techno Bat]

Article about 101 reasons why not to be a professional wrestler
http://www.slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Wrestling/2005/02/08/924336.html

A buddy of mine sent that to me, very interesting stuff in it. Thought you might all like to check it out. There is a film in the works with this as well. Here is the link to the trailer:

http://www.tbwts.com/101reasons/

[JINoside]

^ Oh yeah, i saw that about a month ago but forgot to post it here. Its goin to be real interesting, some wrestlers even hesitate to answer questions, one of them beign Sean O'Haire whos featured in that article. DDP and a bunch of others are there as well. This is something i would really liked to see.......

[The Techno Bat]

^ Oh yeah, i saw that about a month ago but forgot to post it here. Its goin to be real interesting, some wrestlers even hesitate to answer questions, one of them beign Sean O'Haire whos featured in that article. DDP and a bunch of others are there as well. This is something i would really liked to see.......

Sean O'Haire has a nice little potty mouth on him doesn't he?

Vampiro is featured he rules, he has always been one of my all time favorites, and even though he doesn't talk about it in that feature some of the wcw politics held him back from big things. He was in line for a US title run, but Jeff Jarrett refused to drop the strap to him because Jarrett thought he would lose heat going into a program with Goldberg. He was also slated to become the world champion at one point but again guys like Jarrett squased it.

I can't wait to see this film when it comes out

[3dman27]

it is now an hour until no way out if posters with ppv capacity be ready to post the results it would be appriecated thank you

[Sabretooth]

God,I just noticed how crappy JBL's cabinet is. The Bashams haven't been interesting since like a year ago when Shaniqua was managing them and they had that S&M gimmick. The only person in the cabinet who has potential is Orlando Jordan,especially if he starts going after the U.S. belt.

[John Constantine]

First match - Eddie and Rey win the tag team titles


and Carlito had a lawyer with him and told Theodore Long that if he doesn't sign Batista, he's fired.

[Sabretooth]

Any more results?

[The Undertaker]

Oh yes, my savior, the reaper beat the living snot (literally.. did you see that coming out of his nose) out of Reigns. His entrance was pretty kick ass with the staring and the nice pyro. What can I say? Beautiful.

Joy won the rookie diva thinga-ma-bob. I'm not one for the women's portion of the show seeing as its a waste of good TV time but damn was she hot.

Right now its Angle Vs. Cena. C'mon Cena.

[The Undertaker]

John Cena Is Going To Wrestlemania!

[The Undertaker]

Big Show chokeslams JBL through the ring, he ain't moving.. Big Shows breaks the chain lock off the cage door, walks out, the bell rings.. everyone thinks Big Show won but it turns out JBL crawled out beneath the ring and made it to the outside first. It was funny. Brutal match.

[The Techno Bat]

Big Show chokeslams JBL through the ring, he ain't moving.. Big Shows breaks the chain lock off the cage door, walks out, the bell rings.. everyone thinks Big Show won but it turns out JBL crawled out beneath the ring and made it to the outside first. It was funny. Brutal match.

THAT IS IT! ! ! I AM DONE WITH SMACKDOWN! ! !

[The Undertaker]

You actually thought JBL had the chance of losing the PPV before Wrestlemania? I knew he would win, so at WM he'll drop it to Cena. It's inevitable.

[Shifty]

I wouldn't be surprised if JBL won at WrestleMania. Everyone is expecting him to lose so why not have him retain and let Cena win at the next SD PPV that nobody will buy. But yeah its probably better for Cena to win.

[3dman27]

thank you all i can't afford ppvs unfortunately and for some weird reason the sound is always going out when i tape a ppv so i always have to rely on raw and smackdown

[John Constantine]

There was also a little aftermath in No Way out last night:


Batista came out and beat up on the cabinet. John Cena then came out and gave JBL the FU. Then Michael Cole said it's gonna be a triple threat match in WM between Batista, Cena, and JBL. Then Batista and Cena faced off.


I doubt that'll actually happen, but if it does, count me disappointed.

[3dman27]

anybody think tonight will either be batista's raw finale or smackdown superstars will invade the show?

[GuardianofOa]

Anyone see Angle or Michaels jumping ship to face eachother. It's a bit obvious they are gonna wrestle at Mania but I'd like to see Angle get off of Smackdown. And anyone think that London deserves a push? Anyway, Mania will dissapoint as always. Batista jumpin to Smackdown (so Michael cole says) will suck. he needs to jump ship after Mania so HHH won't have to drop the title and Batista will be so pissed, that he leaves. JBL and Big Show was crap as always, and if Cena gets the belt with his dumb ass gimmick, I will snap. It's bad enough he ruined the US title. Imagine what he'd do to the WWE championship.....I think Kane should jump to Smackdown as well. And all the cruisers should go to Raw and they need to put Dupree and Grenier back together. and think if they added Hassan with them, ultimate heel heat, woot woot! Anyway, just ranting as always. I like to lay back for awhile then just jump in and start screaming....kinda like sex. Heh, anyway, hope raw will be good.....

[0neDisturbedSOB]

Batista is not going to jump to Smackdown....it's so obvious that he's going to go against HHH at WM21. Why would they spend weeks building up this tension between Batista and HHH only to have him jump to Smackdown...doesn't make sense.

Batista is going to destroy HHH at WM21 plain and simple. All I'm waiting for is to see him turn against HHH and Evolution, could happen tonight but not likely.

Cena will beat JBL at WM21, but I'm curious to know if/when he's going to drop the US title. I wonder if they'll have him be a double champ or if he'll lose it to someone like Angle as sort of a retribution type deal.

Tonight Batista makes his decision.....everyone agree it's pretty obvious?

[John Constantine]

Yeah, it is pretty obvious that he'll find out that Triple H is behind everything tonight....or in the next few weeks.

And Cena could lose the title feasibly to Orlando Jordan. That way, Jordan's push can continue, plus it helps to strengthen the Cena-JBL feud a bit more.

[Sabretooth]

I hope Edge and Christian don't suck tonight like they did last time they joined up.:(

I still stand by what I say about a faction with Edge,Christian,and maybe Trish Stratus,and if Tomko was sent to OVW to improve his wrestling skills first,him too.

[John Constantine]

Oh hell yeah! We almost got to see a Conchairto again :up:


Man, that tag team match kicked so much ass.

[Sabretooth]

Oh hell yeah! We almost got to see a Conchairto again :up:


Man, that tag team match kicked so much ass.
I know.I loved every moment of it.:up:

[John Constantine]

Man, does Chris Masters look extremely ordinary.

All he needs is one of those mirrors to be another Reflection of Perfection/Narcissist clone.

[Sabretooth]

Man, does Chris Masters look extremely ordinary.

All he needs is one of those mirrors to be another Reflection of Perfection/Narcissist clone.
That's what I was thinking.He's like the brunette version of Mark Jindrak when he was ''perfect''

Why are they bastardizing the Mr.Perfect gimmick?!:mad:

[Sabretooth]

Hahahaha!Snitsky's bleeding! :D

[John Constantine]

That's what I was thinking.He's like the brunette version of Mark Jindrak when he was ''perfect''

Why are they bastardizing the Mr.Perfect gimmick?!:mad:

It's not really Mr. Perfect per se, it's more of a bastardization of the Narcissist Lex Luger gimmick.....which was a ****ty gimmick to being with.

[John Constantine]

Oh wow...what a surprise, Triple H just revealed that he was behind everything. Biggest. Shock. Ever. :eek:

:o

[Sabretooth]

Well,it's definitely gonna be HHH vs. Batista at WM 21.Just like it should be.:o


Wish I could've actually heard what HHH said though.My dad wouldn't stop coughing and sneezing.:mad:

[John Constantine]

There was no doubt it was gonna be that match. I mean they spent all this time building up a feud between them and then they decide to move Batista to SD and have Triple H feud against someone else? That would be the dumbest move ever.


Hey! Benoit vs. Hasan next week. I hope Benoit doesn't lose :mad: :(

[John Constantine]

Holy ****, that was a kickass finish to a great build-up :up:

[Sabretooth]

I nearly pissed myself when HHH went through the table.:up:

[John Constantine]

Now THAT's a way to build-up a face turn....not the way they did it with Orton :mad:

[0neDisturbedSOB]

That was one of the best endings to RAW in a long time. Watching Batista do the thumbs down was a nice way to turn him face and scare the s**t out of HHH. Seeing him completely destroy Evolution (or what's left) was awesome because we've all seen it building for months now.

I don't think I've ever seen HHH get manhandeled like that. Batista picked him up like he was nothing and drilled him through that table....great, great stuff.

Now I can't wait to see the other matches for WM21...seems like Orton has something up his sleeve, anyone still think he's going after Undertaker?

[WildChild]

The end of that Raw was Badass.

[Keyser Soze]

I'm really looking forward to Triple H VS Batista at Wrestlemania. That's what a Wrestlemania main event should do, draw you into the story without being caught up in details like "will these guys pull off a technical classic?" I personally am one of the minority that is a huge fan of Triple H, and I'm really getting into Batista too. Plus, I'll be watching Mania live this year, for the first time in ages!

[Donnie Darko]

ok, I missed Raw completely, I need someone to fill me in

[GLfan]

Who watched the NO Way Out PPV? What did you think? I personally enjoyed it and thought it was better than their other Smackdown PPV's.

[hotrain33]

Batista will be facing triple h at mania this year and he destroyed the remaining members of evolution. Maybe orton will go to smackdown to energize his carreer like what they hoped would happen with rvd.

[John Constantine]

If Orton is really gonna fight Undertaker, like it's rumored, I think Orton might take HBK's advice and decide to go after UT just to make a name for himself again, plus hope to end UT's long WM-winning streak.

[The Undertaker]

If Orton is really gonna fight Undertaker, like it's rumored, I think Orton might take HBK's advice and decide to go after UT just to make a name for himself again, plus hope to end UT's long WM-winning streak.


Ugh, I hope they don't end his winning streak. I'm all for Taker' putting Orton over but not at the biggest stage of them all where Taker has his biggest achievment in all of his career.. being undefeated. I guess it's actually the best thing to do when you look at things from Orton's perspective, a major achievement on his end, putting the dead man to rest but I hope to god they don't. Hardcore Taker fans are known to be very stubborn and i'm one of them. Have Orton defeat Undertaker at the pay-per-view after or something. Let Taker' keep his legacy.

[Sabretooth]

The only reason to have him face Taker would be if he he returned to the Legend Killer gimmick.Which obviously won't happen.If they do fight,I'll be pissed if Undertaker's undefeated streak is ruined by Orton,the new annoying babyface.:mad:

[John Constantine]

Yeah, but then again, the WWE is still a bit high on Orton, plus nothing might help him look more credible than to end the Undertaker's long WM winning streak. I mean, it's a long shot to actually happen, but you never know.....

[Sabretooth]

I really hope there isn't a match between Taker and Orton though.Orton can't sell moves for a flying ****.If Undertaker tombstoned him,he'd bounce back up and have Undertaker ''run into'' an RKO.Just like he did for Christian.:rolleyes:


Orton needs to just stay in mid carder status with people like Edge,Y2J,Christian,Benjamin,etc.

[Metamorpho1977]

Last night was one of the best Raw endings I've seen in a long time

[GuardianofOa]

Wow, and like I said....Michaels and Angle at WM. Wooo....It'll be an ok match. Just hopin Michaels will jump cuz honestly, Can't stand him anymore. Oh, and I just read (don't know if you guys did) that Mark Henry and Venis were supposed to go to Smackdown after WM......Um, I thought Henry was on SD. Has he even been on TV? Right. And to clear things up (guess I was misinterpreted [sp?]), I said that Batista would face HHH at WM21 but he should jump after he loses to HHH. And I still think Angle needs to go to Raw. Hassan should win, hope he wins, next Monday. He has great heel appeal (yes) but needs to drop this whining thing. Why can't he be just a po'd Arab? He's losing the battle with me at least. Anyway, Angle's gonna do the Sweet Chin Music cuz HBK hit the Angle Slam (Olympic Slam?). Ha, well, till SD, peel my salad and toss my potatoes!

[SLYspyda]

wow, i could not believe it. i thought it would be another week or so before we saw a fight between HHH and batista, thought HHH might pretend to be happy to be facing batista, lol. it was awesome, i was on my feet.

[3dman27]

so raw now has a new face and his name is BATISTA

[John Constantine]

Orton needs to just stay in mid carder status with people like Edge,Y2J,Christian,Benjamin,etc.

Actually I think those four should actually be main-eventers. I mean, imagine a show in which Edge, Jericho, Christian, Benjamin, Benoit, and HBK were all fighting for the championship title.....

[Sabretooth]

Actually I think those four should actually be main-eventers. I mean, imagine a show in which Edge, Jericho, Christian, Benjamin, Benoit, and HBK were all fighting for the championship title.....
Well,Edge keeps getting injured when he's around the main eventers,he's had like 4 injuries after returning.And Jericho is definitely not going to be main eventing as long as HHH hates him. But yeah,it would definitely be something fresh if they had some mid carders get mixed into main events.

[The Undertaker]

i have a better idea,they should make orton get the pin on taker but use some form of cheating like holding the ropes while he has the pin and the ref will count 1-2-3 but notice ortons hand on the rope and everyone will think orton has one but then howard finkle will say,''ladies and gentlemen,your winner as a result of disqualification,the UNDERTAKEEEEEEER'' and the crowd would go insane and cheer then orton would be complaining to the ref and taker would pull him round and tombstone him.well thats one way anyway :)

Possibly, but still, I would rather Taker win' cleanly at Wrestlemania.. thats the show where he always has a guaranteed clean win. Yet, I am still officially afraid of the possibilities of what may happen. :(

[0neDisturbedSOB]

I heard that the WWE is thinking of turning Orton heel which would make sense if he were to go up against Undertake at WM21...those good VS good matches never seem to work because no one really cares about the ending.

Batista is going to destroy HHH at 'Mania....anyone else find it ironic that last year he was with Orton in a tag match only to have Orton become the 'next big thing'. Looks like Batista stole the spotlight from Orton and no one really saw it coming.

[The Techno Bat]

Man, does Chris Masters look extremely ordinary.

All he needs is one of those mirrors to be another Reflection of Perfection/Narcissist clone.

You could hear a pin drop during that Chris Masters match up. Nobody cared, just like me...that gimmick has been done to death, and they bring it in again. BORING!

[Keyser Soze]

I don't want to see Randy Orton VS Undertaker, no way. I'd much rather have Undertaker and Kane VS Gene Snitsky and Heidenreich. Stick all the talentless schmucks who just have to have a spot on the show all in one terrible match, rather than having them stink up the rest of the card.

Give Orton an opponent he can have a god match with, like Christian.

[Goldenage Batman]

Are you calling Undertaker talentless...:mad:?....

[Keyser Soze]

Yep. Hey, I like his entrance and his gimmick as much as the next guy. It's only that he then has to wrestle. However, Undertaker's only good match of the year usually comes at Wrestlemania. Undertaker VS Triple H and Undertaker VS Ric Flair spring to mind. So maybe a miracle will happen and Undertaker VS Randy Orton will be good. But then again, Orton is no Triple H or Flair...

[Goldenage Batman]

Well Taker's far from talentless...

[OtepApe]

Taker's not talentless but as he's getting up there in age it's starting to affect his performance.

[Goldenage Batman]

I agree that he's getting old...and that really sucks...

[The Techno Bat]

Undertaker VS Ric Flair

Flair vs Taker at WM 18 wasn't it? That match up was awesome. I was going for Ric Flair the entire time, and I thought he had the match won when Arn Anderson came in and nailed that devasting Spinebuster.


The Undertaker usually has that brief moment during each match where he has an explosion and moves fast, where hits with a few lefts and rights, scoops the guy up nails The Snake eyes and when his opponent staggers out of the corner, The Undertaker usually bounces off the ropes and hits with the big boot. After that he is winded and needs to end the match quickly. I hope he retires, I have never been a huge Taker fan.

If WM 21 is going to be his last W-Mania, why not through him in there against Kane, or bring back Man Kind for a Hell in the Cell 2?

[GuardianofOa]

And it looks as if SD will be boring as usual.Big frickin surprise. So, Orton and Taker I hear. Eh, it'll be another legend he faces. But he'll lose, hopefully. If Taker jobbed to Orton (it'd be nice of him) then I'd have to write the WWE. Batista is gonna lose. No doubt about that. Angle and HBK, I hope Angle takes it. HBK is done. Anyway, I'm lookin forward to TNA's lil show the day before Mania. Woohoo!

[Keyser Soze]

Techno Bat, re-read my post. i said that Undertaker VS Ric Flair was a great match. I said the only great matches Undertaker has had recently were his matches against HHH and Flair at Wrestlemanias 17 and 18.

And I say Batista wins at Wrestlemania. WWE hopefully realise that they've witnessed the birth of a superstar in Batista. This is the closest they've got in a while to creating a bona-fide flagship face to replace the likes of The Rock. If they want to follow through, they'll give him the title.

[3dman27]

keyser is making sense there, bringing up batista is a very good idea

[OtepApe]

It'll be one of the smartest things WWE has done in a long time to let Batista win at WM and win the title. They need someone like him.

[0neDisturbedSOB]

There is no way Batista is going to lose at WM. It would be completely stupid to build up this angle only to have Batista lose to HHH. He's had the title WAY too long and Batista is just the man to take it off of his hands.

[Sabretooth]

I hope Batista keeps the title for at least as long as JBL has had it. Well,maybe not THAT long,it would just get annoying having him keep it too long,but a few months more than Benoit had it.

[John Constantine]

If Batista wins the title at WM 21, I wouldn't be surprised if he winds up feuding with Edge shortly afterwards. I can honestly see him hold the title until, say, Summerslam...which could end up being Batista versus Randy Orton. A heel Randy Orton, that is.

[0neDisturbedSOB]

Am I the only one who finds Edge's new "what about me?" angle REALLY annoying? I've never been a fan of his but god damn this one is just over the top...if I see him on TV with his eyes bulging out and spit running down his chin I'm going to have to change the channel. To me Edge doesn't scream "champion"...sure he's been around awhile and paid his dues, but to have him as the champ would be a step down IMO.

Batista will win and hopefully hang on to the belt for a good long while...I'm REALLY hoping they don't make him drop it to HHH, it seems like anytime someone else is champ all they do is play trade off with HHH to see who can hold it the longest. I want Batista to win, HHH to get his ass kicked and then move on. Hopefully HHH will reform Evolution and start a new angle with someone else....let someone else have the spotlight for awhile ya know?

Anyone think BOTH Cena and Batista will win their brands championships? it get the feeling JBL might win and they'll have Cena win it the next PPV for shock value.

[Shifty]

It'll be one of the smartest things WWE has done in a long time to let Batista win at WM and win the title. They need someone like him.

The only thing is they have no heels besides HHH that are at that level. Edge is a step below but there is no real big names like HHH had when he was establishing himself. If Orton turns heel maybe they've got something interesting. But they're probably going to do the lottery thing again right after WrestleMania, hopefully they can fix SD!

Anyone think that Angle's days as a wrestler are almost over?

[John Constantine]

That's what's been rumored. There's word that maybe this match with HBK might be his last match. It's kinda sad that he has to retire, but at least he'll go out fighting with one of the better wrestlers the WWE's had.

[The Undertaker]

I don't know why, maybe its my bias-ness getting in the way but I seem to be the only one here seeing the Undertaker more at the top of his game, wrestling wise, than ever before. He's been mixing techniques up, spreading himself around from submissionist, to brawler, to top rope flyer, he just seems like a mixture of everything and his most recent matches haven't been too bad. Like No Way Out for instance. Luthor and Taker put on a great performance. But I'd have to say the best match Taker was probably ever in wrestling wise was when he faced Angle on Smackdown I believe for the title.. he did moves in that match I never believed I would have seen from him. But whatever, disregard my opinions.. they mean nothing, take it from where its coming from.

[The Techno Bat]

Techno Bat, re-read my post. i said that Undertaker VS Ric Flair was a great match. I said the only great matches Undertaker has had recently were his matches against HHH and Flair at Wrestlemanias 17 and 18.

I was just reiterating that point, because being a Flair fan and not too big on The Undertaker that is one match that really sticks in my mind with Taker having a great match. He definately hasn't had a good match in him since WM 17 & 18

[The Techno Bat]

Just a couple of more things on The Undertaker, I was wondering if it bothered anybody else that whenever The Undertaker applies a friggin arm lock or triangle choke hold, he is doing it totally wrong. And it is so obvious.

SMACKDOWN TALK FROM 2/24

Has it really been 240+ days of JBL holding onto the WWE title? That is almost a year. You got to tell me there isn't somebody else worthy of holding that strap? How boring was his 20 minute rambling about absolutely nothing? **YAWN**

It was great seeing Paul London jump in after the Chavo match and spark a bit of interest into the cruiserweight division. It's a shame they have Rey Mysterio off playing tag team champion, because adding him into the mix with Chavo, Aiko, and London right now would be awesome. Please get rid of The Boss Spike Dudley and Funaki! They should bring The Hurricane and Simon Dean over to Smackdown and get them involved with the cruiserweight division. Enough of feeding them to big guys like Kane, & Snitsky.

I was happy to see Teddy Long staying on as GM, it was cool when he swiped CCC's apple out of the air and really layed into CCC. I wonder what he has in store for CCC next week.

[Metamorpho1977]

I was just reiterating that point, because being a Flair fan and not too big on The Undertaker that is one match that really sticks in my mind with Taker having a great match. He definately hasn't had a good match in him since WM 17 & 18

Maybe Arn Anderson's Spinebuster took more out of him than expected. That was the most memorable part of that match. It's a shame he can't wrestle anymore. He used to kick ass. Raise a cold brew to the Enforcer y'all.

[Goldenage Batman]

I don't like Teddy Long at alll...dude was a damn reff....His gimmick really sucks in my eye....New GM for Smackdown please....

[Super Kal]

where do you guys get all your info anyway?

[Super Kal]

taker vs. orton, that should be interesting

[Goldenage Batman]

It might be good....

[The Batman]

I swear to god, if Orton beats taker, i'm never watching WWE again....

[Super Kal]

lol

[Goldenage Batman]

I swear to god, if Orton beats taker, i'm never watching WWE again....

I'm with you 100%...Taker can't ever loose at Wrestle Mania...he just can't...

[JINoside]

Just a couple of more things on The Undertaker, I was wondering if it bothered anybody else that whenever The Undertaker applies a friggin arm lock or triangle choke hold, he is doing it totally wrong. And it is so obvious.

I found it surprising that Taker actually won by submission. Usually he just beats the other guy out of the ring and does the Tombstone and its over, then again, thats how most triple threats go now in days. Also, you know he really isn't the only person that does Submissions wrong. I mean, Not even Flair does the Figure four properly.......


It was great seeing Paul London jump in after the Chavo match and spark a bit of interest into the cruiserweight division.

Yeah, i knew for some reason that Chavo was goin to win the title again. I never liked Chavo at all and i think it would've been better with Anybody But Chavo and Spike to win the title. To me they both suck and i'm tired of seeign Chavo with the title. I was hoping for Akio to win the title since i was impressed by the matches hes had with Paul. Thats why i was severly dissapointed when they had Scotty beat Akio for the Rumble with....The Worm :rolleyes:.....

where do you guys get all your info anyway?

I get mines from

http://www.impactwrestling.com/index.aspx

I swear to god, if Orton beats taker, i'm never watching WWE again....

Hhhmm......I don't even want to comment on this match. I've always disliked anything Orton. From the first time i saw him, to him having the IC title(It should've stoped there) to him having the World Title which i thought was pure crap from the get go. It took a while for people to turn on Orton but whatever. My thoughts on this is, that it should be a good match but Taker shouldn't lose. Hes already made his mark in the Wrestling word, they shouldn't taint it.........

[John Constantine]

Yeah, i knew for some reason that Chavo was goin to win the title again. I never liked Chavo at all and i think it would've been better with Anybody But Chavo and Spike to win the title. To me they both suck and i'm tired of seeign Chavo with the title. I was hoping for Akio to win the title since i was impressed by the matches hes had with Paul. Thats why i was severly dissapointed when they had Scotty beat Akio for the Rumble with....The Worm :rolleyes:.....



I'm still hoping for London to win the cruiserweight title at WM 21 and then he and Akio have an even more extended feud on Smackdown....not Velocity :mad:

But then again, this is the WWE, and it seems like they're desperately trying to make the cruiserweight division suck....

[angelus777]

anyone think they should bring back the Hardcore championship, they haven't had a hardcore match in so damn long.

[Super Kal]

i do miss the hardcore championship. those were fun to watch

[3dman27]

where do you guys get all your info anyway?i get mine from the following two websites
www.lordsofpain.net
www.wrestledope.com

[Apocalypse26]

If they did bring back the hardcore championship, perhaps they could have the title as a half-destroyed old world wwe championship like the model before the undisputed world championship, when they put WCW and WWE champions together

[The Techno Bat]

Paul London and Aiko are two of my favorite Cruiserweights right now and there talents definately need to be displayed for all to see.

[jimal]

Does anyone or anybody know where one could watch the Desire Videos, I wish I could see those again, those videos were what wrestling was all about

[GLfan]

Paul London and Aiko are two of my favorite Cruiserweights right now and there talents definately need to be displayed for all to see.
I agree, and they better start giving them a better push. I hate that Chavo is cruiserweight champ again. How many times do we have to suffer through his title reigns, he's boring to watch. He belongs in the regular weight division imo.

[John Constantine]

Yeah, he really does. I wouldn't mind if him, Kidman, and Charlie Haas were the ones who were involved with the US title at the moment.....

Boy has the US title division gone to **** the past few months.

[jimal]

sometimes the wwe dvds had the desire videos as a bonus feature,i have the undertaker desire video as a bonus on one of my wwe dvds
Dang, I wish WWE would post em somewhere or make a dvd out of them. I would by that dvd in a second!

[Super Kal]

i wish that they would sell the RAW's and Smackdown's that they've had for the past 15 years or so

[Sabretooth]

I ****ing hate Chavo. I really do. God he's so annoying,and DAMN I hate his entrance music. He should've stayed with Eddie's WCW music.:mad:

They need to give the US strap to either Booker T or hell,Carlito.I really see the next Rock in that guy,they just need to get him out of these damn stupid feuds with people like Teddy Long.:rolleyes:

[John Constantine]

Yeah, Eddie's WCW theme was one of the coolest themes around. It's too bad that they gave it to Chavo Classic :mad:


They should give the US title right now to anybody BUT John Cena. He's kinda sucking the life out of that division right now IMO. Give it to anyone now that he's part of the main event scene: Booker, Orlando Jordan, Haas, Chavo, Carlito when he's healthy again....hell it doesn't matter to me, jut get it away from Cena!

[Sabretooth]

I'll be really surprised if they let Cena walk into WM 21 with the US title.They should make some tournament to have him lose the strap.

[John Constantine]

I dunno, they could go for an Ultimate Warrior vibe, ala WM 21, where he ends with both titles.

But I would rather see him lose the title to Jordan before WM 21....preferably with interferance by JBL. That way, there could at least be a US title match at WM 21. My dream outcome: Have Charlie Haas win it. Then have a inter-brand match at WM21: Charlie Haas versus Shelton Benjamin.

[Sabretooth]

I dunno, they could go for an Ultimate Warrior vibe, ala WM 21, where he ends with both titles.

But I would rather see him lose the title to Jordan before WM 21....preferably with interferance by JBL. That way, there could at least be a US title match at WM 21. My dream outcome: Have Charlie Haas win it. Then have a inter-brand match at WM21: Charlie Haas versus Shelton Benjamin.
Damn that would be awesome. But Haas is obviously gonna stay in cruiserweights spots.:(

[John Constantine]

He's not even in the cruiserweight. He's stuck in Velocity hell tagging with Hardcore Holly :mad:


What a waste.....:mad:

[The Techno Bat]

I agree, and they better start giving them a better push. I hate that Chavo is cruiserweight champ again. How many times do we have to suffer through his title reigns, he's boring to watch. He belongs in the regular weight division imo.

Paul London beat Spike Dudley tonight on Velocity!