Wrestling

[3dman27]

If they did bring back the hardcore championship, perhaps they could have the title as a half-destroyed old world wwe championship like the model before the undisputed world championship, when they put WCW and WWE champions togethernow theres an idea

[The Ghoul]

Hey my computer has been broken down for a while & back in early january (like right after New Years Revolution) I heard Paul E. was fired. Sence then I gathered it was true considering his absence in the past 2 months. I just want to know if the ECW PPV is now canceled because of it. (By the way, my computer is still broke I am just at school)

[John Constantine]

As far as I can tell, Paul Heyman is still with the WWE, abeit he is no longer a writer or anything like that.

The June ECW PPV is still going on, but it might have some competition. Shane Douglas is also making a ECW reunion show and it's gonna take place a couple days before the WWE one...

[Sabretooth]

Damn,I take back what I said about Triple H being overweight,he's starting to get cut again,sure he's no Batista,but he's going somewhere.:o

[JINoside]

Hulk Hogan's In the Hall of Fame!!!:D:D Long over due indeed:)........

[Sabretooth]

Yes!hulk!

[John Constantine]

NOt surprising there. I guess he is gonna be appearing in WM 21 after-all.

He should've been inducted during WM 20 though. I mean, he started in the first Wrestlemania, it would've been very good to see him inducted to the hall of fame during the 20th anniversary :(

[Sabretooth]

Austin B*tches!

[John Constantine]

WTF?

The Piper's Pit is coming back for WM 21? With Stone Cold?

That's gonna be....interesting.

[Sabretooth]

Damn,I'm just noticing Batista's accent.:confused:

[John Constantine]

Yep. Orton vs Undertaker for WM 21.....

[Sabretooth]

I know people are pissed off about Orton vs. Taker,but at least it ain't Brothers of Destruction vs.Snitsky and Heidenreich.:rolleyes:

[Super Kal]

Yep. Orton vs Undertaker for WM 21.....
i was actually hoping that it wasn't going to happen

[Super Kal]

lol, the look on edge's face when he got hit on the head with the trash can is just classic

[John Constantine]

Holy ****, HBK is sporting a wicked crimson mask right now :up:

[John Constantine]

:eek: Kurt Angle!!!

[Super Kal]

d@mn that Kurt Angle

[Super Kal]

ok, i dont wanna watch ultimate fighter

[John Constantine]

Man, what a great finish to a great match.


And HBK must've lost a lot of blood. He was bleeding almost profusely...it felt like an ECW match :eek:

[Sabretooth]

Holy ****, HBK is sporting a wicked crimson mask right now :up:
Hehe really.He hasn't bled like that since WM 20.It even spread on to Kurt Angle's pants from just touching him.

[Super Kal]

doesnt this feel for anyone else feel like the Smackdown vs RAW video game?

[Super Kal]

Hehe really.He hasn't bled like that since WM 21.It even spread on to Kurt Angle's pants from just touching him.
huh? WM 21 hasnt even happened yet

[Sabretooth]

Man, what a great finish to a great match.


And HBK must've lost a lot of blood. He was bleeding almost profusely...it felt like an ECW match :eek:
I sorta wish Edge won,but I guess it was worth it since Angle came out.

[Sabretooth]

huh? WM 21 hasnt even happened yet
my bad.I meant WM 20.:o

[Super Kal]

that makes more sense now

[John Constantine]

I sorta wish Edge won,but I guess it was worth it since Angle came out.

Me too actually. Like it could help out Edge more, plus they could've had it end with Kurt Angle coming out and costing HBK the match. That would've been a much better outcome.

But I'm happy with the match either way

[JINoside]

I liked the way he got caught with the Sweet Chin Music, i especially like the way he feel with his legs all bent. Most likely because he still had a lot of momentum. I knew Kurt was in the Building, i would've liked it more if he would've hit Edge with the Angle Slam. I like that move......

doesnt this feel for anyone else feel like the Smackdown vs RAW video game?

No, because one of them would've been pinned already with their bodies just beign yellow :rolleyes::p .....

I mean um....No, no it felt more like HCTP:o......

[hotrain33]

Its nice to see this match being build up the right way. I had a feeling angle was going to appear on raw tonight. Thats before the rumor was leaked that kurt was in the arena on the internet. I am not sure about this orton vs taker match for mania. I would like to see the build up for this one. Until this one is official I doubt it. Hopefully Smackdown will just as entetaining as tonight was.

[John Constantine]

It would've been funny if Orton attacked Billy Graham this week just so he could go back to Legend Killer mode :o :D

[3dman27]

Hulk Hogan's In the Hall of Fame!!!:D:D Long over due indeed:)........you've got that brother whatcha gonna do now that theHULKSTER;S * in the hall of fame


*he'll allways be the hulkster to me HOLLYWOOD SCHMOLLYWOOD

[Donnie Darko]

It would've been funny if Orton attacked Billy Graham this week just so he could go back to Legend Killer mode :o :D

oh man, that would've been sweet. I'm wondering how the whole Undertaker thing is gonna play out.

[Super Kal]

Before they Were Superstars...
http://img162.exs.cx/img162/503/hogan23uv.th.jpg (http://img162.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img162&image=hogan23uv.jpg)

[Goldenage Batman]

oh man, that would've been sweet. I'm wondering how the whole Undertaker thing is gonna play out.

Orton better lose...that's how I feel about that....I've been a fan of wrestling since I could remember Doink the Clown....and if Taker loses to Orton at WM21 I'm done with it...

[3dman27]

i was visiting the lordsofpain website and read in the "wraith of tito" collumn that it looks like the hurricane is getting released from the wwe soon

[Twitch]

Personally I don't want Orton vs. Taker. I want a match or rematch of Kane vs. Taker now that would be a match! Oh yeah cena and Batista be new champs at wrestlemania.

Stone Cold And Roddy Piper will be at wrestlemania 21 yeah baby!

RTB

[John Constantine]

i was visiting the lordsofpain website and read in the "wraith of tito" collumn that it looks like the hurricane is getting released from the wwe soon

I honestly hope so. The guy is a great worker, he has charisma, and he managed to make a gimmick about a superhero seem...cool. Yet the WWE wastes his talent by making him the "jobber of the week" on Raw. It's such a waste of talent. This guy should've been cruiserweight champion months ago for crying out loud. Or hell, I could almost see him as a midcarder fighting for the IC/US title. I'm hoping the WWE releases him so he could go to some other fed and really showcase his talent....

[JINoside]

i was visiting the lordsofpain website and read in the "wraith of tito" collumn that it looks like the hurricane is getting released from the wwe soon

Errm....Mind posting it here?:o. I dislike visiting that site because of the pop ups i get......

[Donnie Darko]

If that's true, I will really miss the Hurricane. I love that guy.

[The Techno Bat]

i was visiting the lordsofpain website and read in the "wraith of tito" collumn that it looks like the hurricane is getting released from the wwe soon

Please say this is true. I am praying for it. The Hurricane or Sugar Shane deserves to trully showcase his talents elsewhere. I hope he lands somewhere perhaps with NWA TNA and jumps right into the X Division so we can finally see The Nightmare on Helms Street finisher once again!

I was wondering why HHH manhandled him last night on Raw.

[John Constantine]

It's also because Hurricane is the Raw punching bag. Well him, and Steven Richards....

[WildChild]

Hurricane is so awsome y don't they just move him to smackdown and do somthing good with the cruiserweight devision.Then again why don't the wwe do alot of things.

[angelus777]

damn wwe, why can't they move hurricane to smackdown. he is better than most of the guys there wtf. fire the masterpiece too, whats with this guy why are they pushing this guy so much.

[3dman27]

If that's true, I will really miss the Hurricane. I love that guy.
agreed donnie he and molly holly are the main reasons i still watch the wwe
sorry jinnocide all i know how to do is post a link to the site

www.lordsofpain.net

[Keyser Soze]

RTB, did you and me see the same Undertaker/Kane match at Wrestlemania? The match I saw was a car wreck, and only served to kill Kane's monster image.

[hotrain33]

The wwe messed up ortons gimmick when they decided to turn him into a face months ago. He was a great heel and the legend killer motto was perfect, however they need to resurect it by having orton doing something that nobody would expect to make a feud with taker work. For instance what would people think if the person who tried to run batista off the road was none other than randy himself. He would be hated again and the legend killer monker would make sense to be used once more.

[WildChild]

Oh and that run in by Kurt Angle was so so awsome.I'm going to be cheering for Kurt Angle at mania for sure.

[The Techno Bat]

I hope that Ric Flair sees HHH for who he is after HHH left him to Batista on Raw. Ric Flair needs another good run with a few great matches so he can finally just retire. Ric Flair has been and always will be The Man, but if all the WWE is going to do to him is make him HHH's little *****, then I would rather see Flair retire with some dignity, than have him continue on as a whipping boy.

[John Constantine]

hahahahahah.....I knew it :o


Smackdown spoiler:


Guess who's the new US champion? None other than Virgil 2.0 aka Orlando Jordan

[Donnie Darko]

I really want to see Flair retire once and for all (as in, no more managing, nothing) by beating HHH at one of the big ppvs. I would prefer WM22 (at the latest). I love Flair, but it's time to let it go.

[Twitch]

Hey Donnie did you hear about Randy Orton possibly taking on Taker at Wrestlemania 21?

[Twitch]

RTB, did you and me see the same Undertaker/Kane match at Wrestlemania? The match I saw was a car wreck, and only served to kill Kane's monster image.

Yeah but wasn't the Taker's entrance great, excellent rebith
RTB

P.S. Didn't Taker face kane twice in his Wrestlemania career?

[Sabretooth]

hahahahahah.....I knew it :o


Smackdown spoiler:


Guess who's the new US champion? None other than Virgil 2.0 aka Orlando Jordan
Meh. As long as Cena doesn't have that title anymore,I'm happy.

[Donnie Darko]

Hey Donnie did you hear about Randy Orton possibly taking on Taker at Wrestlemania 21?

yeah, I'm wondering how that is gonna play out. Maybe the crowd will be on Taker's side, which would lead the WWE to turn Orton back into a heel :up:

[GLfan]

yeah, I'm wondering how that is gonna play out. Maybe the crowd will be on Taker's side, which would lead the WWE to turn Orton back into a heel :up:I just wonder if the UT would put him over.

[Keyser Soze]

Yeah, they fought back at Kane's first Wrestlemania. But that was before Undertaker was completely broken down, so Kane didn't have to carry his ass.

As for Ric Flair, I'll admit that he shouldn't be wrestling any more (though I think he has at least one great match left in him) but I really like him as a manager, and he works well with HHH.

[3dman27]

i was visiting the lordsofpain website and read in the "wraith of tito" collumn that it looks like the hurricane is getting released from the wwe soon
is there anyword on this from the wwe personally i hope its a bogus rumor

[Super Kal]

I hope that Ric Flair sees HHH for who he is after HHH left him to Batista on Raw. Ric Flair needs another good run with a few great matches so he can finally just retire. Ric Flair has been and always will be The Man, but if all the WWE is going to do to him is make him HHH's little *****, then I would rather see Flair retire with some dignity, than have him continue on as a whipping boy.
what else is the guy gonna do for a living? the only thing he has ever known is wrestling. I don't think he wouldn't know what to do with himself if he retired. I bet he doesn't even know how to get a job, and he's so damn old, who would hire Ric Flair?

but for some odd reason, I see him working as a security guard, I don't know why...

[Metamorpho1977]

Ric Flair almost ran for governor of NC between his WCW and WWE runs.

[GLfan]

is there anyword on this from the wwe personally i hope its a bogus rumor
It better be a bogus rumor!:mad:
@kakarot069- Ric is probably the type that would rather die in the ring or after a match instead of retiring. He does love the business.

[chamber-music]

Man when they said old taker whould be coming back, I was like awesome but then they bring back this mixture crapy loser version. I missed the taker with the grey gloves and boots who when people hit him it didn't hurt him. They ruined him the same way they ruined kane with the demasking and allowing him to talk. Theres no menace to the characters, Hell even snitsky and hendrich are scarier.

[Super Kal]

so, you guys think HBK will make an appearance on Smackdown tonight?

[John Constantine]

is there anyword on this from the wwe personally i hope its a bogus rumor

It probably is.

But unless they move him to SD and get him on the cruiserweight division, he would be better off being released IMO.

[Super Kal]

they're having some camera problems

[Super Kal]

god these pauses are annoying

[Super Kal]

they are not doing too well tonight

[Super Kal]

turns out i was right about HBK being at Smackdown tonight

[Super Kal]

well, you idiots got your damn wish. Orlando Jones is now the new US champion

[John Constantine]

Good. I'd rather see the US champion given to somebody else who might actually do something with it. John Cena's going for the championship title now, him still holding the US title does nothing for him, better to give it to someone like Jordan so that Jordan might be seen as something other than JBL's lackey.

[The Techno Bat]

I think Smackdown needs to calm down with letting the wrestlers come out and cut there promo's and talk, between John Cena running his mouth at the top of the show for about 10 minutes and the same with JBL, and Kurt Angle, and then you factor in the commercials, it's really cutting into the inring stuff we could be seeing or other guys they could be showcasing on Smackdown.

And tell me why did they fire woman wrestlers like Gail Kim and Jackie, who could clearly wrestle to bring in Michelle ? to team with the Big Show. What a joke she was, at one point she just stood there not knowing what to do, and boy did she totally miss that handspring elbow on Dawn Marie.

[The Techno Bat]

what else is the guy gonna do for a living? the only thing he has ever known is wrestling. I don't think he wouldn't know what to do with himself if he retired. I bet he doesn't even know how to get a job, and he's so damn old, who would hire Ric Flair?

but for some odd reason, I see him working as a security guard, I don't know why...

I think Ric Flair should take a stab at commentating or perhaps being just a GM or doing something backstage. Or if he wanted to continue to manage I would be all for that but get him away from HHH. Put him with the up and coming superstars (NOT THE MASTERPIECE THOUGH he sucks)

As for him not being able to find a new job elsewhere I think he is pretty much set for life, and from what I have heard, read, and seen with Ric Flair I think would do just fine with anything else in life he chose to do WoOoOoOo!

[The Techno Bat]

well, you idiots got your damn wish. Orlando Jones is now the new US champion

would you have rather have John Cena walk into WM with the US title and win the world title to only have yet another US title tournament? Who would you have liked John Cena to drop the strap too?

I think Orlando is a great wrestler and it works into the storyline with Cena vs JBL. And hopefully they will now get rid of that dumb spinning title belt, what a disgrace that belt has been!

[3dman27]

I think Ric Flair should take a stab at commentating or perhaps being just a GM or doing something backstage. Or if he wanted to continue to manage I would be all for that but get him away from HHH. Put him with the up and coming superstars (NOT THE MASTERPIECE THOUGH he sucks)

As for him not being able to find a new job elsewhere I think he is pretty much set for life, and from what I have heard, read, and seen with Ric Flair I think would do just fine with anything else in life he chose to do WoOoOoOo!
i can see naich at the commentators desk

[GLfan]

Mixed reviews for The Rock in 'Be Cool'
Report by WrestleDope.com

With Rock's latest movie project being a role in 'Be Cool,' the ensemble sequel to 'Get Shorty,' many have wondered how well The Rock portrayed the gay bodyguard character. So far, reviews have been mixed.

*Hollywood Reporter: "The Rock has a ball spoofing his own image."

*New Yorker: "The Rock, who plays a gay bodyguard desperate to be in movies. Preening and grinning, The Rock parodies himself ruthlessly, and I suppose it’s unkind to point out that he isn’t very good at it."

*CinemaBlend: "But The Rock is hilarious as Vaughn’s gay cowboy bodyguard, a man with acting aspirations and an aversion to being identified as a ***."

[GLfan]

And hopefully they will now get rid of that dumb spinning title belt, what a disgrace that belt has been!
The replicas are selling like hotcakes on wwe.com, so someone likes them.

[hotrain33]

The spinning us title reminds me of the old skull belt that austin had at the time representing the wwe championship gold. For some people it was cool for others like myself I felt that it was a disgrace to the company and the entire wrestling world. They may decide to change the logo of the belt now that cena is a former champion. Personally I believe it was a product for john cena fans to buy like the steel chain and brass knuckles. It was never meant to be the us belt anyways.

[Philly Phanboy]

i can see naich at the commentators desk

Nah, he's better suited back in the GM position. At least as GM he'd be more involved with the storylines.

Hmmm...I guess I should have used my 316th post to talk about Austin...:D

[The Techno Bat]

The spinning us title reminds me of the old skull belt that austin had at the time representing the wwe championship gold. For some people it was cool for others like myself I felt that it was a disgrace to the company and the entire wrestling world.

I am right there with you on it being a disgrace. It is messing with tradition.

Now for people that like the Spinning US title belt:

What if say The Hurricane won a title belt would it be cool to have him paint it green and have a super cool super hero logo on it? Or if Eugene won a singles title and had the word's world heavy weight champion spelled backwards? (noipmahc thgiew yvaeh dlrow)

I think doing stuff like that is silly, and disrespectful to former champions. It's like a slap in the face or spitting in there face! Throughout the years the title belts have been tarnised, from when Lance Storm made the US title into the Canadian Title, to when JBL renamed and made the hardcore title into the Texas Hardcore Title.

They should leave the belts alone and not mess with them. Look at the NWA world title that Jeff Jarrett holds, that belt represents so much tradition and history and even though it's not the greatest looking belt in the world, I wouldn't revamp it or touch it for anything.

[The Techno Bat]

The replicas are selling like hotcakes on wwe.com, so someone likes them.

Speaking of replicas did any one see that one guy in the front row on Raw last week or maybe it was last week's Smackdown.

It was a black guy dressed in a nice black suit and he must have had about 8 replica belts with him. One of them was the old Million Dollar Belt. I think that is a bit extreme owning that many belts and bringing them to the arena.

[Metamorpho1977]

don't forget the nWo world title

[Twitch]

HBK kicking Angle's ass, HBK in that stupid cameraman wig that was priceless.

RTB

[John Constantine]

Speaking of replicas did any one see that one guy in the front row on Raw last week or maybe it was last week's Smackdown.

It was a black guy dressed in a nice black suit and he must have had about 8 replica belts with him. One of them was the old Million Dollar Belt. I think that is a bit extreme owning that many belts and bringing them to the arena.

I was laughing my ass off at that bit. But I don't think they were replicas. They actually looked like the actual belts. Dude must've bought them off ebay or something....:confused:

[Dr. Manhatten]

After WM21, Naitch should get away from HHH. One of the whole points of having a manager is to get a guy over by acting as their mouthpiece, in case the wrestler hasn't developed great mic skills. HHH is already good on the microphone, and Flair'd be better used managing someone else. At least get him away from HHH since it's sad to see such a great figure be reduced to being HHH's yes-man

[GLfan]

The Rock is upset that his contract ran out, here's the tidbit.

The Rock pissed about WWE contract
Report by WrestleDope.com

Thanks to Marcon Gravlee for sending these notes in:

The Rock was on Opie & Anthony on XM Satellite Radio channel 202 this morning, promoting "Be Cool." A couple of points were interesting:

-The Rock was disappointed & p*ssed (his words) that his contract ran out without a word from WWE.

-He hasn't spoken to Vince in about 6 or 8 weeks.

-He has dual ownership of the Rock name. WWE can use it for merchandise.

-He will not be at Wrestlemania 21

[3dman27]

The Rock is upset that his contract ran out, here's the tidbit.

The Rock pissed about WWE contract
Report by WrestleDope.com

Thanks to Marcon Gravlee for sending these notes in:

The Rock was on Opie & Anthony on XM Satellite Radio channel 202 this morning, promoting "Be Cool." A couple of points were interesting:

-The Rock was disappointed & p*ssed (his words) that his contract ran out without a word from WWE.

-.

-He has dual ownership of the Rock name. WWE can use it for merchandise.

so thats why he still bills himself as the rock and i suppose its reasonable the he'd be p.o,ed at not being given a chance torenew hius contract

[Hunter Rider]

Update on the matt/Lita split,looks like Edge has commited career suicide:eek:


This past week Matt Hardy confirmed on his personal website's messageboard that he has in fact broken up with Amy Dumas (Lita) and that reports are true that Lita has been cheating on him. What wasn't posted on Matt's site is that the person Lita was cheating on him with is actually a close friend of Matt's and a fellow WWE superstar. That superstar is EDGE. We have confirmation that Edge, who himself was recently married, has been having an affair on the road with Lita and that it was Edge's wife that contacted Matt Hardy directly about the situation.

Insider sources tell us that WWE management is extremely angry at Edge over what they consider the height of improper conduct among their employees. Edge and Matt Hardy have been close friends for several years, as both The Hardy Boyz and Edge & Christian broke into the company together and made eachothers' careers during their series of high-risk stipulation matches (inclding the innovative TLC matches) over the WWE Tag Team Championships. There is a feeling backstage that Edge's behavior with Lita is a politically crippling move that has the potential to seriously threaten his career.

Matt Hardy is currently on the sidelines with an injury but will be returning to the road on March 19th. With both Matt and Edge currently on the RAW roster, things should get pretty interesting backstage.

[Twitch]

So that whole kane thing wasn't real at all?

P.S. I know it was a storyline but still..

RTB

[John Constantine]

Update on the matt/Lita split,looks like Edge has commited career suicide:eek:


This past week Matt Hardy confirmed on his personal website's messageboard that he has in fact broken up with Amy Dumas (Lita) and that reports are true that Lita has been cheating on him. What wasn't posted on Matt's site is that the person Lita was cheating on him with is actually a close friend of Matt's and a fellow WWE superstar. That superstar is EDGE. We have confirmation that Edge, who himself was recently married, has been having an affair on the road with Lita and that it was Edge's wife that contacted Matt Hardy directly about the situation.

Insider sources tell us that WWE management is extremely angry at Edge over what they consider the height of improper conduct among their employees. Edge and Matt Hardy have been close friends for several years, as both The Hardy Boyz and Edge & Christian broke into the company together and made eachothers' careers during their series of high-risk stipulation matches (inclding the innovative TLC matches) over the WWE Tag Team Championships. There is a feeling backstage that Edge's behavior with Lita is a politically crippling move that has the potential to seriously threaten his career.

Matt Hardy is currently on the sidelines with an injury but will be returning to the road on March 19th. With both Matt and Edge currently on the RAW roster, things should get pretty interesting backstage.


Ouch, I heard a rumor of an affair happening between a WWE wrestler and a diva in which Johnny Ace got so pissed off he threatened to send one of them to the other show to split them up, but didn't know it was between Edge and Lita :eek:

It certainly will be an interesting next few weeks. Will Edge get a major depush? Will someone be getting a release anytime soon? I really wouldn't put that past the WWE to be honest. Releasing one of the three. But it would most likely be either Hardy or Lita IMO....

[3dman27]

Ouch, I heard a rumor of an affair happening between a WWE wrestler and a diva in which Johnny Ace got so pissed off he threatened to send one of them to the other show to split them up, but didn't know it was between Edge and Lita :eek:

It certainly will be an interesting next few weeks. Will Edge get a major depush? Will someone be getting a release anytime soon? I really wouldn't put that past the WWE to be honest. Releasing one of the three. But it would most likely be either Hardy or Lita IMO.... lita i would think

[John Constantine]

Yeah, probably. She's had quite a few serious injuries the past few years, plus they seem to want to go cheaper with just bringing in "Random Diva #192A". But then again, it doesn't seem like management wants to do much with Hardy as well....

[Hunter Rider]

Yeah, probably. She's had quite a few serious injuries the past few years, plus they seem to want to go cheaper with just bringing in "Random Diva #192A". But then again, it doesn't seem like management wants to do much with Hardy as well....

Good point,I think whichever way they go to depush Edge would be a mistake,He has really gotten into the heel groove and i think was in for big things after WM.To stop that would be childish and bad for buisness.If Anything i think WWE will get rid of hardy,Lita is better for PR and diva shoots etc where as hardy is merely a competent worker,They'll probably just send him to SD

[3dman27]

that might work

[Booker T]

I'd love to see the Matt Hardy Version 1.0 character back on smackdown. Getting back to the cocky atitude and challenging for the US title could do wonders to re-invigorate his career, which hadn't been going that well on Raw. He could be a new challenge for guys like Booker T who have had to suffer the likes of Heidenreich in recent times.

[The Techno Bat]

I was laughing my ass off at that bit. But I don't think they were replicas. They actually looked like the actual belts. Dude must've bought them off ebay or something....:confused:

He must of. I was laughing just as hard....

[The Techno Bat]

It's too bad that had to happen to Matt Hardy. He is another great wrestler that doesn't get enough push.

I guess what Trish said about Lita being a "SLUT" and all is true! And Edge is just an out right scum bag not only doing that to his close friend, but his wife? Doesn't he have any morals? I officially hate both Edge and Lita! ! !

And dispite the fact that Matt Hardy has done nothing wrong in this, he will most likely be the one to suffer. Going to Smackdown is a career killer. I would rather see him let go and find his way back with Jeff over in TNA and go for the tag team titles.

Now that would really hurt the WWE I think, if Matt Hardy and The Hurricane made there way to NWA-TNA

[Hunter Rider]

matt and hurricane are small time though techno,i doubt they would hurt wwe the way it would if edge or orton or one of those guys went to TNA.

Which match are you guys looking forward to at mania ? for me it's HBK vs Angle.

Has Akebono done any pro wrestling before and his he on a short term or full term deal ?

[Sabretooth]

Damn.I'm pretty suprised about Edge and Lita. It sucks too,I was just getting to like Edge as a heel.:(

But he did screw himself,and be sure to expect some backstage s*it when Hardy returns,that is,if he lasts that long in WWE.:o

[The Techno Bat]

matt and hurricane are small time though techno,i doubt they would hurt wwe the way it would if edge or orton or one of those guys went to TNA.

That is true, but it might spike TNA's ratings enough where fans that have not checked out TNA will, and they could be surprised at how good it is and spread the word.

[John Constantine]

I'm thinking that they'll keep Hardy off the Raw roster permanently now. He's due to return sometime this month, but they could easily keep him off tv until after WM 21. Then during the draft, they just send him to Smackdown. And since Lita is still injured, they can avoid any potentially harmful situations for the time being......

[John Constantine]

That is true, but it might spike TNA's ratings enough where fans that have not checked out TNA will, and they could be surprised at how good it is and spread the word.

Hurricane, maybe not. I mean right now, TNA has DDP, Nash, Hall, Billy Gunn and a few others and it's not making an impact anyways.

Now someone like RVD going to TNA however, might spike the ratings way up. Imagine a RVD-AJ Styles match :eek:

[The Techno Bat]

Hurricane, maybe not. I mean right now, TNA has DDP, Nash, Hall, Billy Gunn and a few others and it's not making an impact anyways.

Now someone like RVD going to TNA however, might spike the ratings way up. Imagine a RVD-AJ Styles match :eek:

That is because those guys are pretty much old and over the hill and we know what they bring to the table. Punch kick stomp.

Now I am not saying that guys like Matt Hardy and The Hurricane are going to put TNA through the roof, but it might spike interest for the fans to possibly see The Hardy Boys back together, and going for the tag team titles. And The Hurricane going back to "Sugar" Shane Helms would make a great addition. Plus it shows that they are willing to look to the future with these young guys, and get away from bringing in these late 40 to mid 50 over the hill wrestlers!

[The Techno Bat]

Now someone like RVD going to TNA however, might spike the ratings way up. Imagine a RVD-AJ Styles match :eek:

Now that would be a great MATCH :eek:

[John Constantine]

That is because those guys are pretty much old and over the hill and we know what they bring to the table. Punch kick stomp.

Now I am not saying that guys like Matt Hardy and The Hurricane are going to put TNA through the roof, but it might spike interest for the fans to possibly see The Hardy Boys back together, and going for the tag team titles. And The Hurricane going back to "Sugar" Shane Helms would make a great addition. Plus it shows that they are willing to look to the future with these young guys, and get away from bringing in these late 40 to mid 50 over the hill wrestlers!

Yeah, if the Hardy Boyz did come back, it might strike up some interest. I would kill to see a Hardy Boyz versus America's Most Wanted match :up: Or hell, maybe even bringing back Triple X and having them fight the Hardys

But Hurricane, he might not spike up as much interest. Oh sure, maybe his career would be rejuvenated going from being a jobber on Raw to maybe contending for the X-division championship, but that's probably about it concerning him.

[John Constantine]

Now that would be a great MATCH :eek:

That's probably why RVD is able to get away with a lot of **** in the WWE (electing not to go to Iraq during Christmas, saying whatever he wants during interviews) because imagine if Vince actually let him go and he went to TNA....

[Hunter Rider]

That's probably why RVD is able to get away with a lot of **** in the WWE (electing not to go to Iraq during Christmas, saying whatever he wants during interviews) because imagine if Vince actually let him go and he went to TNA....

ive never seen an AJ styles matches,I can't get TNA:( but ive seen his promo vid and he looks amazing.Ive never really understood why wwe let RVD get away with that stuff and yet never use him.He couldve been used the same way they did with Benoit,Let his wrestling and respect from fans do the talking.

[Sabretooth]

RVD vs. AJ Styles would kick so much ass.

If Kane went to TNA,can you imagine a Kane vs. Abyss match?

[John Constantine]

ive never seen an AJ styles matches,I can't get TNA:( but ive seen his promo vid and he looks amazing.Ive never really understood why wwe let RVD get away with that stuff and yet never use him.He couldve been used the same way they did with Benoit,Let his wrestling and respect from fans do the talking.

He should've been WWE champion after the Invasion angle. The guy was over as hell with the crowd. They certainly would've bought him as a credible champion. But nooo, he had to lose against Triple H and get buried right after :mad:

[Hunter Rider]

He should've been WWE champion after the Invasion angle. The guy was over as hell with the crowd. They certainly would've bought him as a credible champion. But nooo, he had to lose against Triple H and get buried right after :mad:

Yeah,And last year they gave Booker a shot and hes still not and never will be as over as RVD

[John Constantine]

Booker T should've had a chance at the title as well to be honest. Same with Kane. But just like with RVD, they were all embarrassed and then shuffled down to the midcard. Even Randy Orton has been like that. If Batista can maintain momentum after WM 21, I'll actually be very surprised....

[Hunter Rider]

well ive never really felt Booker or kane as champ,i like kane as a destructive monster heel like 2003.As For Batista,I think the key is to move HHH to SD and let Batista have a free run

[John Constantine]

I've always considered Booker T championship material. This guy is a 5 time WCW champion and he was one of the better wrestlers during the dying days of WCW. Plus, he was always one of the major contributers of the Alliance during the Invasion days. Much more than the other wrestlers who came from WCW. Kane I also consider championship material. He's pretty mobile for a big guy, he's not that bad on the mic. But it's due to horrible, horrible, horrible angles (Katie Vick, the whole unmasking, the Lita pregnancy) that has destroyed any of his credibility. Kane should've had a title run similar to what Undertaker got, but no, his only title reign was one day long and he didn't even pin Stone Cold Steve Austin to win it! :mad:

[Hunter Rider]

well they coulda made kane champ in 2003,he was on a roll after the unmasking as an indestructible heel,but as usual they just kept it on HHH .Personally i think booker is a good wrestler but ive never seen him as anything more than he is.
Do you know anything about Akebono ? has he done any pro wrestling ?

[Keyser Soze]

Hey all! I just want to say that I finally got a chance to see "TNA - Against All Odds". The overall card was okay, but there is one match I just have to tell you about - AJ Styles VS "The Fallen Angel" Christopher Daniels in a 30 Minute Iron Man Match!

For ages, I've been talking about this as being my TNA dream match, and was really hyped for seeing it when it was finally set up for "Against All Odds". AJ Styles and Christopher Daniels have already shown that they are two of the best wrestlers in the world today, but this match actually exceeded my mounumental expectations.

My only regrets about the match are that that it wasn't the main event of the PPV, and it wasn't given a whole hour. I could have happily watched these two guys go at it fot 60 minutes, as 30 minutes went by in a flash. Styles and Daniels are two wrestlers who clearly know the arts of storytelling and ring psychology, as both played their roles exceedingly well.

They started off with some high-flying moves to get the crowd going, before slowing things down for some solid technical groundwork, passing the advantage back and forth. Then, Daniels took the lead, and dominated the match for several minutes. But then Styles equalised out of nowhere, and the last 5 minutes was full of rapid back-and-forth action with the wrestlers trading the advantage and desperately trying to hit the winning move. The fans in the arena were on their feet, and I was on the edge of my seat watching at home.

As the half-hour came to a close, AJ Styles gets busted open, and Daniels locks on a chokehold with such pressure that the blood actually starts squirting from the open wound on Styles' head. The match goes into sudden death overtime, and we finally get a winner, with AJ Styles retianing the X Division title.

The match was awesome, definitely the best of 2005 so far. It blows anything WWE has offered this year out of the water! These two will be meeting again in an Ultimate X match at the next PPV. I hope "The Fallen Angel" wins that encounter, so that the Styles/Daniels feud can continue. I highly recommend that you all try and see this great Iron Man match between two of the top talents in wrestling. If you only watch WWE, you don't know what you're missing!

[Metamorpho1977]

Hey, Lita is single now.

Update On Lita/Matt Hardy Relationship; HHH/Rock Notes
Story By: Amish Patel
Credit: PWInsider.com

Many have been wondering on the latest between Matt Hardy &
Lita's real-life relationship and the fact is they have
split up. According to sources, Hardy was the one that ended
their 4-year relationship

[Bathrat]

http://home.comcast.net/~slick191/Judgementday.wmv

[Docker2.0]

Hey all! I just want to say that I finally got a chance to see "TNA - Against All Odds". The overall card was okay, but there is one match I just have to tell you about - AJ Styles VS "The Fallen Angel" Christopher Daniels in a 30 Minute Iron Man Match!

For ages, I've been talking about this as being my TNA dream match, and was really hyped for seeing it when it was finally set up for "Against All Odds". AJ Styles and Christopher Daniels have already shown that they are two of the best wrestlers in the world today, but this match actually exceeded my mounumental expectations.

My only regrets about the match are that that it wasn't the main event of the PPV, and it wasn't given a whole hour. I could have happily watched these two guys go at it fot 60 minutes, as 30 minutes went by in a flash. Styles and Daniels are two wrestlers who clearly know the arts of storytelling and ring psychology, as both played their roles exceedingly well.

They started off with some high-flying moves to get the crowd going, before slowing things down for some solid technical groundwork, passing the advantage back and forth. Then, Daniels took the lead, and dominated the match for several minutes. But then Styles equalised out of nowhere, and the last 5 minutes was full of rapid back-and-forth action with the wrestlers trading the advantage and desperately trying to hit the winning move. The fans in the arena were on their feet, and I was on the edge of my seat watching at home.

As the half-hour came to a close, AJ Styles gets busted open, and Daniels locks on a chokehold with such pressure that the blood actually starts squirting from the open wound on Styles' head. The match goes into sudden death overtime, and we finally get a winner, with AJ Styles retianing the X Division title.

The match was awesome, definitely the best of 2005 so far. It blows anything WWE has offered this year out of the water! These two will be meeting again in an Ultimate X match at the next PPV. I hope "The Fallen Angel" wins that encounter, so that the Styles/Daniels feud can continue. I highly recommend that you all try and see this great Iron Man match between two of the top talents in wrestling. If you only watch WWE, you don't know what you're missing! Yes, TNA is miles better than the WWE right now. I can't even watch an entire WWE show cuase............it's so boring! EVERYTHING is about HHH and I don't understand why they don't see him as being washed up. My bad! it's cuase he is sleeping with the boss's daughter! :rolleyes: WWE is going to file bankrupt if they dont get their act together. Did you guys hear SD might lose it's contract on UPN? :eek:

[John Constantine]

As much as I don't like the WWE product right now, there's no way for the WWE to get it's act together, or even go bankrupt until viable competition comes back to the market. Remember, the WWF was in it's stride back when they were kicked out of the number 1 spot for wrestling fans. They then had to actually go and put out the best product in order to try and beat WCW. But since Vince bought WWE, they've been just sitting back and doing whatever the hell they like. I'm hoping that a company like TNA might become the competitor the WWE needs to wake the hell up. But they might need a ****load of fixing up before that can happen IMO....

[The Sage]

WWE sucks right now. Wrestlemania isn't looking good at all. For one, it doesn't look like they're doing anything special with Chris Benoit which is a damn shame, considering the guy won the title via submission last Wrestlemania. Only two matches seem interesting: Batista/HHH and Angle/Michaels, with the latter being the show stealer.

WWE is hell right now. The wrestling is toned down, the backstage stuff is the worst(did you guys hear about Matt, Edge and Lita? :eek:)

Stick to TNA and Ring of Honor.

And buy a Benoit DVD set. :up:

[Donnie Darko]

WWE sucks right now. Wrestlemania isn't looking good at all. For one, it doesn't look like they're doing anything special with Chris Benoit which is a damn shame, considering the guy won the title via submission last Wrestlemania. Only two matches seem interesting: Batista/HHH and Angle/Michaels, with the latter being the show stealer.


HHH vs Batista
HBK vs Angle
Orton vs Undertaker
Cena vs. JBL
Jericho in a 6-man ladder match
(probably some other matches I don't know about... I haven't seen SD in weeks :( )

to me, that's pretty damn interesting

[John Constantine]

Yeah. Not to mention appearances by Piper and Austin. Plus, a small chance that Hogan could show up for it as well. It's sounding much better than WM 20 was last year....

[3dman27]

WWE sucks right now. Wrestlemania isn't looking good at all. For one, it doesn't look like they're doing anything special with Chris Benoit which is a damn shame, considering the guy won the title via submission last Wrestlemania. Only two matches seem interesting: Batista/HHH and Angle/Michaels, with the latter being the show stealer.

WWE is hell right now. The wrestling is toned down, the backstage stuff is the worst(did you guys hear about Matt, Edge and Lita? :eek:)

Stick to TNA and Ring of Honor.

And buy a Benoit DVD set. :up:i might be ablle to try tna explosion [its on the sun sports net here in fla.]i just hope tna doesen't use its weekend shows as an infomercial for their pay per view like the wwe does i can't normally watch it because it airs at the same time as espn2's friday night fights

[3dman27]

WWE sucks right now.

WWE is hell right now. The wrestling is toned down, the backstage stuff is the worst(did you guys hear about Matt, Edge and Lita? :eek:)

i think you can thank "nipplegate" for the toned down wrestling as for the edge- amy dumas situation would a pettion for their dismissal be out of line?

[Twitch]

Is there any way to get TNA without Pay- per view?

RTB
:unishr:

[hotrain33]

Watch fox sports net if you have that channel. Check your local listings in your area

[3dman27]

Is there any way to get TNA without Pay- per view?

RTB
:unishr:
like i mentioned before its on the su sports netin the fla area if you get that network you can see it there

[The Techno Bat]

Yeah. Not to mention appearances by Piper and Austin. Plus, a small chance that Hogan could show up for it as well. It's sounding much better than WM 20 was last year....

I think the only reason SCSA is appearing on Pipers Pit is to probably promote his movie and three picture deal for awhile and then it might get interesting.

[The Techno Bat]

Who here has a guess as to who the five guys will be in the ladder match?
Me I am guessing

Chris Jericho
Chris Benoit
Christian
Edge
Maven
either Tyson Tomko or Muhammed Hassan

[Hunter Rider]

Who here has a guess as to who the five guys will be in the ladder match?
Me I am guessing

Chris Jericho
Chris Benoit
Christian
Edge
Maven
either Tyson Tomko or Muhammed Hassan

your first 4 are right but i think ittl be shelton benjamin and hassan as the other 2

[The Techno Bat]

your first 4 are right but i think ittl be shelton benjamin and hassan as the other 2

I bet your right and it will probably become a IC title match

[Hunter Rider]

I bet your right and it will probably become a IC title match

yeah its the way to go as they need something to climb up the ladder for,I wonder if they are gonna put masters on the card and how there gonna do Big show vs Akebono

[John Constantine]

I think the only reason SCSA is appearing on Pipers Pit is to probably promote his movie and three picture deal for awhile and then it might get interesting.

Yeah. But it would kick ass if someone like Hassan came down during the segment, pissed Austin off, and Austin just stomped a mudhole on Hassan :up:

His annoying manager too.

[The Techno Bat]

I wonder if they are gonna put masters on the card

I hope this guy doesn't make it on the card, he is bringing nothing to the table, the two times I have seen him wrestle there has been no fan reaction at all. I hope they don't do something with him and Ric Flair, and have Flair put him over. Remember when Masters first showed up on Raw he had his limo door opened by Flair because Flair thought it was Batista? I hope they don't play off of that. It was bad enough when Flair had to job to Rico once, but where is Rico Now?

[The Techno Bat]

Yeah. But it would kick ass if someone like Hassan came down during the segment, pissed Austin off, and Austin just stomped a mudhole on Hassan :up:

His annoying manager too.

OH HELL YA!

[Hunter Rider]

I hope this guy doesn't make it on the card, he is bringing nothing to the table, the two times I have seen him wrestle there has been no fan reaction at all. I hope they don't do something with him and Ric Flair, and have Flair put him over. Remember when Masters first showed up on Raw he had his limo door opened by Flair because Flair thought it was Batista? I hope they don't play off of that. It was bad enough when Flair had to job to Rico once, but where is Rico Now?

I think if anything flair might become his manager after mania

[The Techno Bat]

Got this in my wrestling newsletter this morning, thought it might be interesting to post:

DIBIASE MAKING A RETURN?
- Ted DiBiase, otherwise known as the Million Dollar Man is making a
comeback in the company that made him famous. Dave Meltzer of the
Observer is reporting that DiBiase will be getting a tryout as an agent
for WWE and as part of the creative team for Smackdown! It's funny to
think that DiBiase is returning after making a lot of negative comments
about WWE for their vulgar language and sexual innuendo's on the shows.
Currently he's a spokesman for the Sunshine Foundation, an organization
that grants wishes for critically ill children, and has founded Heart of
David Ministries, where he travels around the world as an evangelist

[The Techno Bat]

I think if anything flair might become his manager after mania

Now that might be the way to go with Ric Flair, because right now it doesn't seem that Masters has much for a personality.

On another note Matt Hardy's website has been shut down.

[Hunter Rider]

Now that might be the way to go with Ric Flair, because right now it doesn't seem that Masters has much for a personality.

On another note Matt Hardy's website has been shut down.

i think hjis run with HHH has come to an end,flair could act like he sees potential in masters and take him as his protoge

[The Techno Bat]

i think hjis run with HHH has come to an end,flair could act like he sees potential in masters and take him as his protoge

I would rather see Flair hook up with somebody like Maven. He could be like when we wanted you to join Evolution that was for real, and since HHH is a nobody,and treats me like his lap dog I am through with him, I see potential in you and he could take Maven under his wings.

[John Constantine]

I hope this guy doesn't make it on the card, he is bringing nothing to the table, the two times I have seen him wrestle there has been no fan reaction at all. I hope they don't do something with him and Ric Flair, and have Flair put him over. Remember when Masters first showed up on Raw he had his limo door opened by Flair because Flair thought it was Batista? I hope they don't play off of that. It was bad enough when Flair had to job to Rico once, but where is Rico Now?

Wrestling in Japan, with a few other WWE stars who were recently released.


And I still can't believe they released RIco. Sure he was pretty old (in his 40s), but the guy could wrestle and I got a huge laugh out of his gimmick. Why they keep useless pieces of **** like Masters and Tyson Tomko around and not Rico totally puzzles me.....

[John Constantine]

i think hjis run with HHH has come to an end,flair could act like he sees potential in masters and take him as his protoge

I would rather see Flair manage an actual 4 Horsemen team after WM. Preferably containing Benoit, Malenko, Jericho, and maybe Christian.

[Hunter Rider]

I would rather see Flair manage an actual 4 Horsemen team after WM. Preferably containing Benoit, Malenko, Jericho, and maybe Christian.

a new 4 horsemen would be cool.with Orton as heel leader,christian and Benoit as the 2 technical wrestlers,masters as the power and Flair as manager

[The Sage]

HHH vs Batista
HBK vs Angle
Orton vs Undertaker
Cena vs. JBL
Jericho in a 6-man ladder match
(probably some other matches I don't know about... I haven't seen SD in weeks :( )

to me, that's pretty damn interesting
HBK vs Angle - heck yes
Orton vs Undertaker - I don't think so, especially if Taker doesn't lose. And Orton, his style is just...no.
Cena vs JBL - JBL's in it, that's enough for me.

The ladder match seems interesting.

[John Constantine]

a new 4 horsemen would be cool.with Orton as heel leader,christian and Benoit as the 2 technical wrestlers,masters as the power and Flair as manager

ehh, I'd rather not see Masters part of it. He'll bring the group down so much. They could just make do with bringing back Malenko IMO.

[Hunter Rider]

ehh, I'd rather not see Masters part of it. He'll bring the group down so much. They could just make do with bringing back Malenko IMO.

the group should have a big man i think,and i doubt malenko has much left to offer,he retired of his own volition.Masters looks ok to me,hes only had 2 matches,its to soon to judge him imo.Maybe they could bring reigns across to Raw or there supposed to bringing matt mirgan back

[John Constantine]

Yeah, I wouldn't mind Reigns being part of the group. He's a much better big man than most of them. Plus, he fits the Enforcer role of the Horsemen much better.

[3dman27]

any word on ladies matches besides stratus vs hemme?

[Keyser Soze]

Well, here are my thoughts on the likely Wrestlemania 21 card:

TRIPLE H VS BATISTA
I'm not one of the sad people jumping on the "Let's Blame HHH For All WWE's Problems" bandwagon. I could go off on another epic rant defending Triple H, but with some people, it seems like trying to talk to a brick wall. Whether you like him or not, it is undeniable that Triple H is the top heel on Raw, if not the WWE (Angle is his only equal). Batista, meanwhile, has shown potential to be the next bona-fide breakout superstar, and the monster face that Brock Lesnar was never quite able to be. I think that the feud leading up to this match has been astounding, and that alone should allow for some great tension in the ring.

JOHN CENA VS JBL
I see both Batista and John Cena walking out of Wrestlemania with World Titles, but while I'm excited about Batista's future reign, I'm worried about Cena's. He all but killed the US Title Division with his pathetic series of squash victories, and his in-ring work has descended into dull, repetitive routine. Kurt Angle dragged a great match out of him at No Way Out, but Angle coulf drag a great match out of a cucumber. And JBL is no Kurt Angle. Don't get me wrong, I love the JBL character, and his ringwork has improved vastly since he won the belt, but he isn't the kind of guy who can carry other workers. I see this match being overshadowed by Batista VS HHH, the clear main event.

KURT ANGLE VS SHAWN MICHAELS
While I'm personaly not too keen on HBK, I won't deny that when he's at his best, his in-ring work is astounding. Kurt Angle is one of my favourite wrestlers in the WWE, and even though he's past his best, he's still better than 90% of the wrestlers working today. This is certainly a dream match, and promises to be a show stealer. And, unlike last year's "dream match" of Goldberg/Lesnar, it promises not to suck. There is a rumour going round that Angle is returing after Wrestlemania. I hope this isn't true, but if it is, I hope he goes out on a high.

UNDERTAKER VS RANDY ORTON
Oh dear. I was hoping to have Undertaker and Kane VS Gene Snitsky and Heidenreich, as then we'd have all the talentless hacks crammed into one match. Well, that's a bit harsh, I like Kane, but Heidenreich alone would be enough of a talent vacuum to kill that match. Anyway, it seems liek Randy Orton VS Undertaker is being set up. I'm going to reserve judgement on this one, as on the rare occasions in recent years that Undertakre has actually had a good match, it has been at Wrestlemania. And Orton has proven in matches with Mick Foley and Chris Benoit that he can put on a great match. But then again, Undertaker is no Mick Foley, and he's certainly no Chris Benoit...

SIX-WAY LADDER MATCH
Chris Jericho VS Chris Benoit VS Edge VS Christian VS Shelton Benjamin VS Muhammed Hassan. That's who I think should be involved in the match. As for what is at stake, the IC title is the likely choice. But wouldn't it be interesting if the number one contender's spot was up for grabs? All these guys would be interesting facing off against Batista (or possibly even Cena, if they jump ship to Smackdown after Mania). No matter what is at stake, we are promised a great match. Benoit, Jericho, Christian, Edge and Shelton have all been in great ladder matches, while Muhammed Hassan has shown potential to have a good match, given the right opponent. This is one of the matches I'm most looking foward too.

TRISH STRATUS VS CHRISTY HEMME
Excuse me while I go get my sickbag. I think Trish Stratus is great. She's sexy, she's charismatic, and she can work in the ring. But why, oh why, at the biggest wresatling event of the year, stick her in the ring with Christy Hemme? Oh,I forgot, she posed nude for Playboy - that must mean she's an asset to the company. Or not. I think that for women to be in WWE, they should be at least one of two things. Either they should be an accomplished, trained wrestler. And yes, they are out there. WWE has an excellent female wrestler called Alexis Laree under contract, but they've never used her. Or, they should have charisma, and be able to manage someone who doesn't have the mic skill to get over themselves. But I'm sick of having to watch a talentless waste of space who has only been hired for her tits pollute my television screen. Let's hope this match is short...

PAUL LONDON VS CHAVO GUERRERO
Now this is more like it. It's good to see WWE trying some...gasp...storytelling in the Cruiserweight Division. Anyone who has seen Paul London in ROH knows he is a phenomenal wrestler, and WWE has barely scratched the surface of his potential. let's hope him and Chavo have a show-stealer at Wrestlemania.

There are other matches to be announced, and others that are rumoured. but I'll comment on them some other time...

[Hunter Rider]

hadn't heard that rumour about angle

[John Constantine]

It seems like the most obvious choice for him. He's been having neck problems for the past couple of years. Probably why he became Smackdown GM for a few months after WM 20 and he started to wrestle an extremely light schedule when he came back (the start of the Kurt Angle Invitational was probably because of that).

Kinda sucks because Angle is probably one of the best wrestlers the WWE has right now, both in terms of wrestling ability and mic skills. Kinda weird because when he first came to the WWE I thought he was rather dull.

[Sabretooth]

It won't be the same without Kurt.:(

[The Techno Bat]

Just wondering if anybody else notices that they don't blur out the WWF Logo on Hulk Hogan's Dew Rag that is on his head during the Hall of Fame promos.

Why are they dubbing Kurt Angle one of the greats? Sure he is good, but he has only been part of the WWF/WWE for like what six years? He has done alot, and I think he is good but to be putting him in the same sentence with Shawn Micheals is a bit much.

[The Techno Bat]

Kinda sucks because Angle is probably one of the best wrestlers the WWE has right now, both in terms of wrestling ability and mic skills. Kinda weird because when he first came to the WWE I thought he was rather dull.

Remember the time when SCSA bought Vince a nice Cowboy Hat to match his, and then SCSA gave Kurt Angle that little tiny clown cowboy hat with the strap? ? ? That was HILARIOUS! ! ! :D :D

[Shifty]

Kurt probably won't be remembered as one of the greats but to me he is. He's done everything except win the Royal Rumble, put on countless entertaining matches with dozens of opponents, consistantly in the top two heels in the WWE, in incredible shape, made the transition, put young talent over, one of the better gimmicks in the past 7 years or so and still able to wrestle despite injuries.

[3dman27]

Well, here are my thoughts on the likely Wrestlemania 21

TRISH STRATUS VS CHRISTY HEMME
Excuse me while I go get my sickbag. I think Trish Stratus is great. She's sexy, she's charismatic, and she can work in the ring. But why, oh why, at the biggest wresatling event of the year, stick her in the ring with Christy Hemme? Oh,I forgot, she posed nude for Playboy - that must mean she's an asset to the company. Or not. I think that for women to be in WWE, they should be at least one of two things. Either they should be an accomplished, trained wrestler. And yes, they are out there. WWE has an excellent female wrestler called Alexis Laree under contract, but they've never used her. Or, they should have charisma, and be able to manage someone who doesn't have the mic skill to get over themselves. But I'm sick of having to watch a talentless waste of space who has only been hired for her tits pollute my television screen. Let's hope this match is short...

i concur, christy hemme seems more to me like a rival for lilian garcia's job, not the womens title i'd rather see molly holly wrestle [or box]trish anydayi'd also like to see lilian wrestle christy

[Keyser Soze]

At least Lilian Garcia has a use, as she's a good ring announcer.

As for the comment about Kurt Angle being one of the greats, of course he is! Yeah, I agree, Shawn Michaels and Kurt Angle maybe aren't on the same level. That's because Kurt Angle is on a higher level than HBK could ever hope to be. Why? Because Angle is something Michaels never was - a team player.

I am highly confident that Kurt Angle will be remembered as an all-time great. So what if he's only been in WWE for a bit over five years. He's had far more classic matches in those 5 years than a "legend" like The Undertaker has had in his entire career.

[3dman27]

At least Lilian Garcia has a use, as she's a good ring announcer.

if only she could wrestle as good as she looks [and sings]

[Keyser Soze]

Hey, 3dman, what are your thoughts on the Kurt Angle issue?

[3dman27]

hmmmi think angle vs hbk is a good idea angles amatuer wrestling moves against the showstoper would make a great match

[Goldenage Batman]

This is one match that I can't say I have a favorite cause I like both of these wrestlers.....

[Super Kal]

I've never been a fan of Kurt Angle. I just hope to God that HBK beats the living crap out of Kurt

[Super Kal]

This is one match that I can't say I have a favorite cause I like both of these wrestlers.....
by the way, i am LOVING that pic of trunks in your sig

[Goldenage Batman]

Thanks...If ya want Go to the Dragonball form if you want to talk about it....

[Keyser Soze]

Bah, give me Kurt Angle over Shawn Michaels any day...

[Hunter Rider]

From WZWe have an update on the ECW reunion weekend set to take place in June.

Several different sources within WWE are claiming that there was never any attempt made by WWE representatives to lure talent away from Shane Douglas' reunion show for a better paycheck. WWE is taking the stance that any outside wrestlers they contact are from the Independent scene and can work both shows if they want. It is likely that some talent will appear on both shows while others will not. There is no 'war' going on between the two.

In a fairly surprising move, we're told WWE representatives (like Tommy Dreamer) contacted the TNA offices last week and asked about the possibility of letting Jerry Lynn, Kid Kash, Shane Douglas, and Raven work the WWE/ECW PPV. At this time, no deal has been worked out and it does not appear TNA will be sending talent WWE's way. It is nice to see WWE at least attempting to contact TNA about the ECW reunion. They are putting forth the effort.

Joe Styles was contacted at the same time Sandman, Justin Credible and others were. They asked him about commentating the show and Styles wrote on his website that he would only be appearing at the Shane Douglas ECW show and not WWE's.

Tony Mamaluke has agreed to work WWE's ECW PPV. That could be a sign of him teaming with Nunzio/Little Guido.

[Goldenage Batman]

How did you guys know that Randy may be facing Taker at WM21 before last week...?...

[Keyser Soze]

It's been rumoured on various wrestling websites for months...

[Super Kal]

What a great way to start off RAW tonight with none other with the Swowstopper!

[Super Kal]

goog god, enough with the talking already! lets get down to the wrestling!

[Super Kal]

havent seen the sledgehammer since the Goldberg days

[Super Kal]

I dont know if anyone noticed, but before they broke for commercial, HHH did that whole arm raising thing with the sledgehammer, and when he did that, he screamed. not that low pitched yelling, but a true high pitched scream. that was freaky

[Super Kal]

I'd like to see Edge win the ladder match

[Sabretooth]

I dont know if anyone noticed, but before they broke for commercial, HHH did that whole arm raising thing with the sledgehammer, and when he did that, he screamed. not that low pitched yelling, but a true high pitched scream. that was freaky
That was so damn funny.:D

[Super Kal]

it freaked the hell out of me. I didn't know he could do that

is it just me, or is something going on with Rany and Stacy?

[Sabretooth]

WHOA!Randy's gonna shock the world by doing what???




stating the obvious and saying he's going to face Undertaker :eek:

[Sabretooth]

it freaked the hell out of me. I didn't know he could do that

is it just me, or is something going on with Rany and Stacy?
I wonder why they're pushing Randy and Stacy as a couple?Won't last long though,because before you know it,Edge is gonna give her some ''Edgeucation''

[Super Kal]

WHOA!Randy's gonna shock the world by doing what???




stating the obvious and saying he's going to face Undertaker :eek:
lmao good point

i wonder how many people actually knew about it before it was even hinted that night on RAW?

[Super Kal]

I read that JR was going to go on the Subway diet. is this true?

[Super Kal]

personally i wish they would bring back the all popular TLC matches. I loved those matches

[Sabretooth]

lmao good point

i wonder how many people actually knew about it before it was even hinted that night on RAW?
The people that look on websites like lordsofpain or whatever the site was probably knew.



And as for JR,I don't know,he did look pretty sad when King wouldn't share the other half.:(

[Super Kal]

Do you think he would publicly announce something like that though?

[Super Kal]

I would have been proud to announce that i was on the Subway diet

[Super Kal]

let me ask you this: what do you find entertaining about professional wrestling?

[Sabretooth]

Do you think he would publicly announce something like that though?
Why would he annouce it? Can you imagine him going:

''And Triple H with the high knee...And I figured you folks would want to know I'm on the Subway diet just for Wrestlemania 21!''

[Super Kal]

Why would he annouce it? Can you imagine him going:

''And Triple H with the high knee...And I figured you folks would want to know I'm on the Subway diet just for Wrestlemania 21!''
lmfao, the way you put it now, i don't think he would either

[Super Kal]

lmao, that's what that mother****er gets for mocking Y2J

[Super Kal]

you know, I'm starting to like Eric Bischoff more and more now that he's no one's b***h

[Super Kal]

uh oh, here it is, the announcement for Orton vs. Taker

[Super Kal]

well, it's official. 9:14 pm my time, it's has become official

[Super Kal]

well, I wasn't expecting him to RKO Eric Bischoff

[Sabretooth]

Whoa!Randy not only is gonna be legend killer again,he's gonna be HEEL!:eek:

Never would've guessed!t3h unpr3d1ct@bl3!:eek:

[Super Kal]

uh... did you mess up there a little bit?

[Sabretooth]

uh... did you mess up there a little bit?
Where?

a)He said LEGEND KILLER vs.legend

b)Legend killer was always heel

c) Randy RKO'd Bischoff(Who's face)

d) He didn't have his pretty boy smile when he left the ring

e)if you're talking about my last sentence,''unpr3d1ct@bl3'' meant unpredictable

[Super Kal]

it was the "e" one
I see it now

[Sabretooth]

Benjamin is so gonna turn heel.He's probably going to be Edge 2.0


And why the hell do all the superstars keep looking at that damn ladder like it's the World Heavyweight Title?:confused:

[Sabretooth]

Haha Benoit got owned.:o

[Super Kal]

good god that dive into the ladder looked like it hurt!

[Super Kal]

it would be interesting to see Benoit go heel

[Sabretooth]

it would be interesting to see Benoit go heel
He'd need someone like Ric Flair to be his manager/mouthpiece :o

[Super Kal]

man i love counters!

[Super Kal]

well, no surprise, Benoit wins. How do you think ... lmmfao! Taker! lmao Taker as Clint Eastwood! lmao!

[Sabretooth]

Haha that Undertaker commercial was badass.

I liked how he rolled his eyes inside his head before he shot the black guy.:D

[JINoside]

Dam it Kakarot, Quit spamming!. You should wait a while and post all that you have to say in one big post. Anyways, Randy's lil segment with the announcement and Eric i found to be very....crappy and predictable. The audience seemed to think so aswell, i mean really, Am i the only one that heard a guy in the audience fart?. Thats how quiet it was, There was no crowd reaction whatsoever to most of what he said. Except for the obvious public challenge and him RKO'ing Eric(I knew that was goin to happen). In a way, i was surprised because the crowd was very quiet during the mayority of his segment......

Benoit and Shelton match was pretty nice. Edge and Jericho to.....

[Super Kal]

like i was gonna say, how do you think wrestlers are paid, by match or what?

[Sabretooth]

Well,looks like Matt HArdy is gonna be getting the **** end of the stick,Lita's gonna be in this feud with Trish,and Edge is in that ladder match thing.


Did anyone see Christy Hemme do twist of fate?God damn man,I feel sorry for Hardy,He's gotta live with the fact that his ex cheated on him,and that the real slut of Raw(Christy) is bastardizing his move.

[3dman27]

christy pulled a"eugene" [using another wrestlers move] eh
also i read roesey is out compliments of hhh that and last week beating on the hurricane would explain hurricanes absence if he is released as rumored


btw as for the wwf logo hulksters rag not being blurred maybe the british court decision allows for that after all the referefnces to wwf in the wrestlemania recall bits aren't edited out :hyper:

[Keyser Soze]

I think Benoit could be great as a heel. The last time he was heel was back in 2000, and he did a great job of it then. And personally, I tihnk his mic skills are adequate (and better when he's a heel), so I don't necessarily feel a mouthpiece would be essential.

[Goldenage Batman]

well, no surprise, Benoit wins. How do you think ... lmmfao! Taker! lmao Taker as Clint Eastwood! lmao!


That was great...LMAO....

[Goldenage Batman]

Raw wasn't that bad last night...Kane showing up for that MitB match was a bit of a shock.....Benoit hitting the ladder was sweet...hope he becomes a heel....

[Goldenage Batman]

What do you guys think about the Piper's Pit coming back at Wm21...?....

[Twitch]

I think its going to be freakin awesome!

[Donnie Darko]

Dam it Kakarot, Quit spamming!. You should wait a while and post all that you have to say in one big post.

Thanks, I was waiting for someone to say that.

[Sabretooth]

Now that Randy's probably gonna be heel again,I hope he gets rid of that god awful entrance music.:(


Shame he can't use Evolution's theme anymore.:mad:

[Super Kal]

wont happen again...

[Donnie Darko]

so, I missed Raw last night (I was at the women's basketball ACC tournament, cheering on my UNC girls as they beat down Duke). Did they announce who all was in the ladder match and what it is for?

[Twitch]

A six- way ladder match for a contract to challenge the World champ

Benoit, Shelton, Jericho, Edge,chirstian,and Kane also if the winner is patient he could challenge at Wrestlemania 22.

RTB

[The Techno Bat]

Kane being thrown into the ladder match is something I didn't see coming. I expected Edge, Christian, Shelton, Benoit, and y2j, but Kane I really don't get it? And why in the hell isn't the IC strap on the line, instead a shot at the world title is? I think it is a dumb idea and that the IC strap should be on the line. Isn't the Royal Rumble the whole thing with who gets to face the world champion...

So who in the hell is Hassan going to face? I have heard rumors of Hulk Hogan but even that might be a bad idea. I like how they recoverd from the screw up last week with Hassan and Benoit and now he can still go around and say I have yet to be pinned on Raw!

Anyone else hear the "you screwed lita" chants during the Edge vs y2j match up? What about the sign that read "Edge speared Lita" I really hope Matt Hardy is released and goes to TNA, and reunites with Jeff.

Randy Ort... *YAWN* excuse me. Randy Orton's anno...*YAWN* anouncement was so boring, and I guess we really have ourselves to blame in a way. Because we are the ones that go around looking for the late breaking news and gossip of what is going around, so in a way it is our fault, but then again I think that the WWE should really keep things tight lipped and watch what gets out to the public. What would have been a real twist is if Randy Orton challenged Hulk Hogan, Roddy Piper, or Stone Cold Steve Austin. Now that would have been great, and really thrown us fans for a loop.

After last nights Flair vs Batista match, (as great as he is, and he is my all time favorite) I think Flair needs to retire, sure he can still move around better than half the guys in the dressing room, but all he does is job, job, job, and I am tired of it. Granted you can't have Batista lose before WM to anybody, but perhaps throwing a curveball where Flair wins by cheating and HHH's interference would have been a better way to go. But we'll never forget how many times Flair was a world champion though because JR reminds us like every two seconds. Basically if Flair is only going to job from here on out I would rather see him out of the ring. "WoOoOoOoOoOo"

[Hunter Rider]

The reason they added kane was cos of his seniority in the company,he didnt have a match so they put him in as they like to get the long serving wrestlers on the WM card if they can.As for making it a #1 contenders match i think that made more sense as why would Edge and Benoit or Y2J want to be IC champ agian,the prize had to be bigger IMO.I think Hassan will interupt the piper/Austin segment and get stunned.Ric Flair is an Icon and i agree its time perhaps to just do tag matches and mic work.

[Eric Draven]

Matt Hardy was supposed to be in that ladder match as well. It's a good thing he was taken out of it or else he probably would've killed Edge.....

[Keyser Soze]

I'd rather have Kane in a ladder match with five great talents than see him get stuck in a match with a talentless turd liek Gene Snitsky or - even worse - Hei....Den...Reich.

[3dman27]

Matt Hardy was supposed to be in that ladder match as well. It's a good thing he was taken out of it or else he probably would've killed Edge.....
i think a good match for 'mania would be matt hardy and molly holly vs edge and lita but as previously noted matt would probably kill edge

[The Techno Bat]

I just caught Christy Hemme on The Howard Stern Show this morning and it sounded like a fun interview with her. She came in and went head to head with an 11 year old girl in common knowledge trivia, Christy was playing for some guy with some sort of disability and lost big time.

Here where the questions that Christy didn't get, but the 11 year old did.

1. Who is the (USA) Sec. of Defense? (Christy wrote dah dah)
2. Who is the (USA) Sec. of State? (Christy drew a question mark)
3. Which movie won the oscar this year? (Chrsity guessed The Aviator)
4. Who ran against George Bush and Dick Cheney? (Christy did get John Kerry)

She loves being spanked (and did so on the show today) and dressing up for her man. She doesn't have a boyfriend, and owns a couple of vibrator


Here is a picture of her from The Howard Stern Show today 3/9/2005:
http://howardstern.com/dtcms/uploads/DSC_0532.JPG
http://howardstern.com/dtcms/uploads/DSC_0532.JPG

[Hunter Rider]

mmmmmm nice! you guys have seen her playboy shots right ?

[The Techno Bat]

Regarding WM, I think besides the two heavyweight title matches, and the HBK & Kurt Angle match they are not really building up any heat for any of the other matches. Sure they started with the ladder match stuff on RAW this past week, but there really isn't anything that is standing out. What is going to happen with the tag team titles? What about the US or Cruiserweight straps? This is coming off as one of the most lackluster WM in recent history

[The Techno Bat]

mmmmmm nice! you guys have seen her playboy shots right ?

Not yet, have you?

[Hunter Rider]

Not yet, have you?

yeah i have tham all:D

[The Techno Bat]

yeah i have tham all:D

I gotta go pick up an issue today. How hot does she look?

[Hunter Rider]

I gotta go pick up an issue today. How hot does she look?

very :D

[The Batman]

Holy crap.

lita cheated on hardy...with EDGE! Who just got married!

[Hunter Rider]

some news from WZ


-- Although Batista has never headlined a major PPV before, WWE management is very confident that he will do fine at WrestleMania. The Batista/HHH match will most likely be very heavily scripted, and not much will be left to chance due to Batista?s lack of main event expirience. However, Batista is described as very mature, he is in his late 30's now, and is said to handle himself fine in the eyes of many backstage. Batista and Triple H also get along great, they travel together and often talk wrestling with each other.

-- Despite Randy Orton wanting to stay face, and actually begging management to keep him face, he was still getting booed a bit from the live crowds. It doesn't look like management has any plans to turn Undertaker heel against Orton, so Orton will most likely just have to accept the fact that the crowd is booing him. There are also rumors that Orton may go over to the Smackdown brand as a heel, which would open doors for a feud between him and John Cena.

[Shifty]

very :D

I didn't think they were that great. The topless pics of Gail Kim were better.

[Hunter Rider]

I didn't think they were that great. The topless pics of Gail Kim were better.

meh! Gail kim looked good but her face is very average IMO

[Super Kal]

who is Sean Waltman?

[The Techno Bat]

who is Sean Waltman?

He is better known as X-Pac or the 1.2..3...Kid. I saw him on The Surreal Life the other night, looking like a fool, I wish Chris Knight kicked his ass. It was funny he was there trying to get Chyna Doll back, and acting all tough with the female Surreal Life members, but when Chris came out he was all cool and chilling. Da'Brat picked up two bottles and looked like she was going to bash X-Pac in the head. That would have been great!

[Eric Draven]

some news from WZ



-- Despite Randy Orton wanting to stay face, and actually begging management to keep him face, he was still getting booed a bit from the live crowds. It doesn't look like management has any plans to turn Undertaker heel against Orton, so Orton will most likely just have to accept the fact that the crowd is booing him. There are also rumors that Orton may go over to the Smackdown brand as a heel, which would open doors for a feud between him and John Cena.

Hmm.....that might be an interesting feud. I would also love it if Christian went to SD as well and had a feud with John Cena for the championship title.




Oh, and I literally laughed my ass off when I read the Smackdown spoilers and saw who Kurt Angle was gonna fight next week :D

[Sabretooth]

Oh, and I literally laughed my ass off when I read the Smackdown spoilers and saw who Kurt Angle was gonna fight next week :D
Who?:mad:

[Sabretooth]

You know,this whole thing between Edge and Matt reminds me alot of Bret Hart and HBK.Really good friends who had some **** going on back stage,and now there's nothing but,''You screwed Bret/Matt/Lita''

[The Batman]

Its just funny, and sad....

How're you gonna cheat on your wife just 3 months after you married her?

[Eric Draven]

Who?:mad:

The guy who Kurt Angle said taught Shawn Michaels everything he knows. Who carried the Rockers. Marty Jannetty

I dunno, I had to laugh after hearing that.......:D

[Eric Draven]

You know,this whole thing between Edge and Matt reminds me alot of Bret Hart and HBK.Really good friends who had some **** going on back stage,and now there's nothing but,''You screwed Bret/Matt/Lita''

Not to mention Shawn accused Bret Hart of having an affair with Sunny and that caused Bret's wife to seek a divorce. But from the looks of it, I don't really think Bret and Shawn were ever good friends. I think Bret never really liked the way Shawn presented himself a lot of times. There was a lot of anymosity building up between the two.



And about Edge, what's weird is that this is his second marriage. He was previously married to Val Venis' sister and I think that was only 3 or 4 years ago.....

[Sabretooth]

Its just funny, and sad....

How're you gonna cheat on your wife just 3 months after you married her?
I don't know. But Edge's wife must be one ugly ass mother****er or something else for Edge to cheat.Either that,or he's an outright dirtbag.

[Eric Draven]

I don't know. But Edge's wife must be one ugly ass mother****er or something else for Edge to cheat.Either that,or he's an outright dirtbag.

I bet it happens all the time in the WWE. I mean you have a bunch of alpha males all in one locker room. Plus, you have a ****load of WWE divas. There's bound to be some fooling around going on.

Hardcore Holly cheated on his wife with this diva called BB a few years back. I bet you anything that Vince cheats on Linda McMahon all the time. Hell, there's a rumor that the reason Amy Weber left was because she and Randy Orton were fooling around a bit.....

[Sabretooth]

Damn,why can't HHH get caught having an affair with someone?:mad:

[Eric Draven]

I doubt he'll ever have an affair. I mean right now, he's sitting high. He's one of the bigger stars in the WWE. He's involved in the backstage. He'll probably end up taking over the company once Vince retires. Why give all that up by sleeping with a random chick?

[Sabretooth]

I doubt he'll ever have an affair. I mean right now, he's sitting high. He's one of the bigger stars in the WWE. He's involved in the backstage. He'll probably end up taking over the company once Vince retires. Why give all that up by sleeping with a random chick?
Yeah,but I never agreed with allowing superstarts being able to work with the writers and all that crap. Why?Because it's the same thing,every damn time.



Oh,and btw,I read on lordsofpain.net that Eugene is coming back with a new character

[Eric Draven]

Yeah, it can be a detriment sometimes. I remember when Kevin Nash was in charge of WCW during it's dying days and the show stunk. He pushed his former tag team partner, Al Green, a virtual jobber who was only on Nitro because Kevin Nash became the booker. But then sometimes you have guys like Tommy Dreamer, who practically ran ECW and he made it rather interesting.


And I didn't hear that rumor, sounds kinda interesting. But I knew the Eugene gimmick wouldn't last long anyways. I'm hoping maybe he would just come back as plain old Nick Dinsmore :confused:

[Shifty]

I doubt he'll ever have an affair. I mean right now, he's sitting high. He's one of the bigger stars in the WWE. He's involved in the backstage. He'll probably end up taking over the company once Vince retires. Why give all that up by sleeping with a random chick?

He's probably too busy to have one too.

[Keyser Soze]

Sabretooth, HHH is great. He is a talented worker, with presence and charisma. Maybe he wants to insure his position is protected, but who cares? He is constantly World Champion because he's a credible champion. And HHH isn't necessarily as egotistical as some think. It was him that suggested dropping his title to Benoit at Wrestlemania. Before that, plans were to have him beat HBK and retain the title, and for Goldberg/Lesnar to be the main event.

[hotrain33]

I never liked triple h for the longest time but I can understand what you are saying he has done at times what's best for the wwe. Like in this instant playing the coward role to batista. His facial expressions are priceless but it would suit this feud well if the two combatants get physical with eachother. There were times that I feel he has stepped over the line like in the past when he would not drop the title to certain wrestlers.

[SLYspyda]

playing the coward role too much could mean him wininng at wrestlemania. some of you guys can talk all the **** you want about triple H, but that guy has some great ****in mic skills, the last rant he made after batista signed the contract was awesome. and also, kurt angle's speech was awesome

[The Batman]

I'm telling you, if Orton beats Taker, I'm dropping the WWE.

This was a bad decision. I'm not sayin they shoulda gave Taker a "Safe" match where you know he'll win, but this match with orton is a case of "Damned if you do, damned if you dont"

[The Techno Bat]

I'm telling you, if Orton beats Taker, I'm dropping the WWE.

This was a bad decision. I'm not sayin they shoulda gave Taker a "Safe" match where you know he'll win, but this match with orton is a case of "Damned if you do, damned if you dont"

I think it could be an awesome moment if Randy Orton beat The Undertaker. Just think about it for a second, everybody is expecting Taker to win and he is loved by pretty much everybody (not me though, not a big taker fan.) But if he was too lose can you imagine the fan reaction at WM? It could get real ugly and make great tv, and have people tuning in to check out the Legend Killer. Especially if he beats Taker in such a cheap and bogus fashion, reclaiming his heel ways. The Undertaker has payed his dues and done alot for wrestling, but everybody needs to step aside and do what is right for the business and I think Orton beating Taker would be a good move in the long run.