Wrestling

[kane9321]

i watched that realpro wrestling i enjoyed it(i used to wrestle for my high shool..lol)

[kane9321]

I'm I the only one who thinks MOLLY HOLLY is hot? They should put a rivalry against her and trish.


molly looks great

[Shifty]

that should read trish/christy lita is christy's trainer

yes thanks, I thought should I just type Women's Match but no I should go with names and Lita and Christy popped up.

There is a rumour of a US Title 4way match. I'm surprised it wasn't annouced last week.

[The Techno Bat]

There is a rumour of a US Title 4way match. I'm surprised it wasn't annouced last week.

If there is a US Title Match it will probably be:

(C)Orlando Jordan vs Mark Jindrak vs Luther Reigns vs Booker T

[The Techno Bat]

We should start making predictions for WM 21, Here are mine:

1. Triple H vs Batista
I think HHH will pull another ego trip and even though Batista is set to win this match up because he is so over right now, I think HHH holds onto the title belt.

2. JBL vs Cena
JBL retains his world title.

3. Kurt Angle vs Shawn Michaels
Probably the best match on the card. I see Kurt Angle winning this one

4. The Undertaker vs Randy Orton
The Undertaker

5. Ladder Match
Chris Benoit vs Kane vs Edge vs Chris Jericho vs Christian vs Shelton Benjiman
wOw, anyone of these guys could get the win. I might go with a surprise pick here and go with Christian (or Y2J)

6. Sumo Match
The Big Show vs Akubono
Tough to call, I think that The Big Show wins and some how Akubono saves face, but they part bowing and shaking hands

7. Christy Hemme vs (C)Trish Stratus
Who really cares right? Christy isn't a wrestler and it's an insult to put her in the ring with Trish. Molly Holly or Victoria should be here, but there not so I am picking Trish to win this one, but of course Lita will get involved.

8. Eddie Guerro vs Rey Mysterio
I think this will be a show stealer and Eddie picks up the win by cheating

Not sure what is going on with the Hall of Fame stuff Austin was supposed to induct Piper but has pulled out and now Chris Jericho is going to induct Piper. I hope that SCSA is still going to be on Piper's Pit? maybe it's a angle or something for Pipers Pit

[3dman27]

molly looks great
you've got THAT right

[John Constantine]

We should start making predictions for WM 21, Here are mine:

1. Triple H vs Batista
I think HHH will pull another ego trip and even though Batista is set to win this match up because he is so over right now, I think HHH holds onto the title belt.

2. JBL vs Cena
JBL retains his world title.

3. Kurt Angle vs Shawn Michaels
Probably the best match on the card. I see Kurt Angle winning this one

4. The Undertaker vs Randy Orton
The Undertaker

5. Ladder Match
Chris Benoit vs Kane vs Edge vs Chris Jericho vs Christian vs Shelton Benjiman
wOw, anyone of these guys could get the win. I might go with a surprise pick here and go with Christian (or Y2J)

6. Sumo Match
The Big Show vs Akubono
Tough to call, I think that The Big Show wins and some how Akubono saves face, but they part bowing and shaking hands

7. Christy Hemme vs (C)Trish Stratus
Who really cares right? Christy isn't a wrestler and it's an insult to put her in the ring with Trish. Molly Holly or Victoria should be here, but there not so I am picking Trish to win this one, but of course Lita will get involved.

8. Eddie Guerro vs Rey Mysterio
I think this will be a show stealer and Eddie picks up the win by cheating

Not sure what is going on with the Hall of Fame stuff Austin was supposed to induct Piper but has pulled out and now Chris Jericho is going to induct Piper. I hope that SCSA is still going to be on Piper's Pit? maybe it's a angle or something for Pipers Pit


hmm....agree with you on the Triple H vs Batista match. If Batista does end up walking away with the world title after WM 21, I'd honestly be really surprised.

However, I think Cena's gonna win the championship for Smackdown. Like him or not, the guy is way over at the moment and it seems the only reason why they kept the title on JBL for such a long time is for Smackdown's "big star" to probably win it.

Angle vs HBK could go either way IMO. It really doesn't matter who wins in this one because all that's gonna matter is that both of them are gonna put on a great match.

Orton vs Undertaker - still think Orton might win this one. Maybe with interference by Ric Flair, thus having Orton once again join Evolution so he could go back to the kickass theme music? :confused: :D

Ladder Match - I like your prediction of Christian winning it. He should definitely get a title shot. Wouldn't mind Shelton Benjamin winning it either.....

Sumo Match - Yeah, Big Show is gonna win this

Christy vs Trish - Don't give a **** about this one, but I think Christy might win this one just so there can be a justification of the "WWE champion" subtitle being on the Playboy cover :rolleyes: :mad:

Eddie vs Rey - Rey wins this one, thus further cementing his push to the heavyweight division. Eddie gets more jealous and this helps to push a possible heel turn.


That's all for now....I think :confused:

[JINoside]

Oh yeah, Molly's hot. She has a great ass.....

If there is a US Title Match it will probably be:

(C)Orlando Jordan vs Mark Jindrak vs Luther Reigns vs Booker T

I wouldn't mind that match. If it would happen though, i hope Orlando loses it to Booker T or Luther....

Hmm....Ok, Heres my Wrestlemania predictions.....

(C) Tripe H vs Batista

I see Batista winning. I love Batista, but i have to say this now. I don't think he should win it if he really does. But for the sake of a story line, almost anybody could win the title:rolleyes:. I've always payed attention to his matches and he really needs more moves. Hes really strong, so hes able to pull off quite a few moves I just wish he would....

(C)JBL vs John Cena

I think.......That Unfortunately:rolleyes:, just like last years Mania, Cena will yet again have a predictable title win. I feel that this match will dissapoint me the most. I might be a minority here, but i actually like Bradshaw:o. BUT if he Does retain the title, i would be :D because of all the angry Cena fans.....

Kurt Angle vs Shawn Michaels

I find it funny, but i've noticed that alot of people are really anticipating this match. Its billed to be a really great match. I hope really hope so to since i like Shawn and Kurt. This ones really a toss up because both could win. But i see Shawn winning.....

Ladder Match -
Chris Benoit vs Kane vs Edge vs Chris Jericho vs Christian vs Shelton Benjermin

Theres so many possibilities here. Anybody could win, i guess i'll say Chris Jericho....

Undertaker vs Orton

:rolleyes: This match and HBK vs Angle are a Must see. Probably the two most anticipated matches on the card. I don't want to comment much on this match because there is SO much riding on this match If he loses. All i'm goin to say is, I'm for Taker....

I predict Hogan will make an In ring appearance. Thats about it, anything else i don't care about......

[Sabretooth]

Even though I love Batista,I also must say I can't see him winning.Which sucks,because he's probably more over (or should be) than Cena,and he's probably going to win in the most one sided match in Wrestlemania history just like he always does.Batista worked his ass off,and shows he has awesome potential. He went from Boretista and HHH's bodyguard to the new main eventer and top Raw face.

Honestly,I wish he was holding that title instead of Orton,except for longer than a month. Orton really didn't deserve that title.It just wasn't his time.He only held one title before that.Batista,however has had a million tag team championships and was a Royal Rumble winner, but never had any title as a single competitor (Intercontinental,Heavyweight) and he could've used one of those,but no.''Orton was the future.'' Oh,but wait,where's Orton now? Mid-card hell.

[Sabretooth]

Man,I can't wait to buy one of those Chris Benoit crimson masks!:up: :up:

[brainchild81]

Oh yeah, Molly's hot. She has a great ass...
Ladder Match -
Chris Benoit vs Kane vs Edge vs Chris Jericho vs Christian vs Shelton Benjermin
Kane doesn't belong and yes Molly = Nice Ass

[Sabretooth]

What'd everyone think of Raw?

[Shifty]

We should start making predictions for WM 21, Here are mine:

1. Triple H vs Batista
I think HHH will pull another ego trip and even though Batista is set to win this match up because he is so over right now, I think HHH holds onto the title belt.

2. JBL vs Cena
JBL retains his world title.

3. Kurt Angle vs Shawn Michaels
Probably the best match on the card. I see Kurt Angle winning this one

4. The Undertaker vs Randy Orton
The Undertaker

5. Ladder Match
Chris Benoit vs Kane vs Edge vs Chris Jericho vs Christian vs Shelton Benjiman
wOw, anyone of these guys could get the win. I might go with a surprise pick here and go with Christian (or Y2J)

6. Sumo Match
The Big Show vs Akubono
Tough to call, I think that The Big Show wins and some how Akubono saves face, but they part bowing and shaking hands

7. Christy Hemme vs (C)Trish Stratus
Who really cares right? Christy isn't a wrestler and it's an insult to put her in the ring with Trish. Molly Holly or Victoria should be here, but there not so I am picking Trish to win this one, but of course Lita will get involved.

8. Eddie Guerro vs Rey Mysterio
I think this will be a show stealer and Eddie picks up the win by cheating

Not sure what is going on with the Hall of Fame stuff Austin was supposed to induct Piper but has pulled out and now Chris Jericho is going to induct Piper. I hope that SCSA is still going to be on Piper's Pit? maybe it's a angle or something for Pipers Pit


First, I agree that Molly is hot. She's does have a nice ass.

Well since they split into two brands, one champ has always retained and one champ has always lost. And the loser lost to the Rumble champion. And the past few years the Rumble winner has gone on to win (Benoit, Lesner, HHH, Austin) Also, Cena winning his 1st belt will probably be lost with the Batista/HHH outcome, Angle/HBK, Orton/Taker and the other matches/Stone Cold. It would be better for Cena if he won on a Smackdown! PPV that he headlined instead of being involved in one of four mainevents.

HHH vs Batista - Batista
JBL vs Cena - JBL

Angle and HBK, I still remember Flair talking about HBK and how he would love to see a HBK/Angle match on OTR. Well here it is. Fans of them both, Kurt is probably my second favourite right now. Both have losing records at WrestleMania, both lost at last year's. I think they'll give it to Kurt he's going to have the shorter career, so give him something to brag about at WrestleMania. Both are two of the greatest of all time.

Angle vs HBK - Angle

They've made quite a big deal about Taker's record more show than before. But I guess when the number gets that big you have too. I'd like to see Orton win, it would make him get real heat. Fans would get hostile towards him in public. Its better for business I think in the long run. They can even start Orton with his 'undefeated streak at WrestleMania' with victories over The Rock, Foley and Taker. But he's injured so that might not happen.

Taker vs Orton - Orton

Christian vs Edge vs Shelton vs
Benoit vs Kane vs Jericho - Jericho

Jericho has 5 loses at WrestleMania, now if he had the same status as Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels that might be okay (they both have seven with Tito Santana) but he doesn't. Kane always gets a PPV title match every year and what happens? He loses. Shelton now he's well on his way but just let him have his IC title and then maybe next year give him a run with the belt. Edge is considered feces to Matt Hardy for what he did, and management isn't too happy either. But Batista is going to need to face some heels after his HHH rematch. Christian sadly will never be taken seriously. Benoit is another favourite with him winning last year. But this is a ladder match not a submission match, not a Royal Rumble or reguar ol' match. So gotta go with the guy who proposed this match and that's Y2J.

Christy vs Lita - Christy

Well Christy is on Playboy and it pleases the fans (some) if she wins so I see her sadly winning. But if you're paying her $250,000 for the year might as well. But Trish will probably win it back on RAW very soon.

Show vs Akebono - Show

Well probably both will look good, but I doubt Vince will have an outsider with no future in the company win at WM. Should be interesting.

Eddie vs Rey - Eddie

Tough call, probably a incredible match. Eddie did retain last year (its terrible to see the champs Eddie and Benoit not in any of the mainevents this year) so to go from that to losing to his tag partner... but if Eddie for some bizarre reason is going to turn heel he probably would lose. Eddie will cheat but still have be on good terms with Rey.

Piper's Pit w/Austin
Piper will get a stunner and Hussan will get a stunner. Maybe a leg drop from Hogan.

[John Constantine]

What'd everyone think of Raw?

I thought that promo showing all of the Undertaker's WM victories was pretty damn sweet. I also liked how finally got Kane to confront Randy Orton about fighting the Undertaker.


I also found it pretty humorous to see Muhammad Hassan help out "Mr. American Hero" Kurt Angle :D

[Sabretooth]

I thought that promo showing all of the Undertaker's WM victories was pretty damn sweet. I also liked how finally got Kane to confront Randy Orton about fighting the Undertaker.


I also found it pretty humorous to see Muhammad Hassan help out "Mr. American Hero" Kurt Angle :D
Yeah.That promo was pretty badass. This is one of my top 3 anticipated matches of WM 21. I liked how when it went to 0,the 0 became the first O in Orton.

But,uh,when did Kane confront Randy?I must've been away from the TV when that happened?:confused:

[3dman27]

Kane doesn't belong and yes Molly = Nice Ass
i read on www.lordsofpain.net that the ladder match was intended to be the return of MATT HARDY but when edges alleged affair with lita became known wwe officialswithdrew matt from it so things wouldn't get out of hand between him and edge and they selected kane to replace matt becase the had already advertised a ladder match :hyper:

[GLfan]

I think Matt is getting messed over in WWE, it's not his fault why should he be penalized for what Edge and Lita did.

@Slinger-I can see Chavo getting involved and Eddie getting the win, fully going back to heel status.

[3dman27]

I think Matt is getting messed over in WWE, it's not his fault why should he be penalized for what Edge and Lita did.


yes you are correct maybe the wwe needs a "mattitude adjustment"

[GLfan]

Big Time...It would be cool if TNA lures him away from WWE.

[3dman27]

might be but i think mr.hardy is still under contract to wwe

[GLfan]

Rats!

[kane9321]

You know what,christy hemme annoys the hell outta me.I just dont like her entrance music,I dont like how she acts all cheerfull and happy when she comes to the ring..It would be great to see lita turn on her at wrestlemaina..maybe give her "a twist of fate"

[The Batman]

HHH VS Batista: I say Batista. With everyone cheering him, the WWE dont want to kill his heat.

Cena VS JBL: Cena. WWE really wants Cena to be the next Rock or Stone Cold.

Ladder Match: I really want Kane or Christian to win.

Undertaker Vs Orton: To me, the biggest match of the night, because this will decide whether or not i'll continue to watch WWE shows. If they decide to throw away Takers winning streak just to get some cheap heat for orton, then I'm done.

Angle Vs Michaels: I dont care who wins. This match should be good

Eddie VS Rey: I say Eddie turns heel.

Show Vs Akebono: Dont care.

Christy VS Trish: Bet you Christy wins.It dosent really matter if Christy starts wrestling to me, because i remember 5 years ago when Trish couldnt wrestle either. Now look at her

[kane9321]

^^^^ agreed 100%..especially about the taker...if he loses then i'm so done with wwe

[Sabretooth]

I will admit,I love heel Orton.He's just too badass.But if he wins,WWE can scratch my ass,because I'll be done with them.I don't care that if Orton wins,he'd be the one with the undefeated streak.Because you can bet your ass if he was 2-0,they'd put him against someone like Cena at the next Wrestlemania,and Randy would be defeated as well.

In short,I don't care how close Undertaker would get if he lost,it'd still be bulls**t. 13-0 DAMMIT!

[John Constantine]

I dunno, it just seems with the way they're whoring out Undertakers undefeated streak in WM, it's just screaming for Orton to break it.

Personally, it doesn't matter to me if Undertaker wins or loses, but then again, I was never that huge of a fan of the Undertaker anyways......

[hotrain33]

I seriously doubt orton will defeat taker this sunday because with him possibly out of action after mania it make no sense for him to get a victory over the deadman. I would rather him lose to taker. This way when he is ready to return after shoulder surgery he can be the cocky heel once again.

[John Constantine]

A loss though might weaken his whole "Legend Killer" gimmick, something that it seems the WWE is trying to build up again.


Plus, even with Orton out with a shoulder injury, he could still make clips showing up ala his stint with RNN during his first shoulder injury. He could even still mention that he beat Undertaker at Wrestlemania and that he's a true Legend Killer. And this could also set the seeds for a future rematch when Orton is fully healed.

[Metamorpho1977]

Molly Holly is so hot the WWE doesn't know it.

http://slam.canoe.ca/WrestlingImagesH/holly_molly.jpg

http://www.wrestlinginformer.net/Molly_Holly.jpg

[3dman27]

i agree100%


MOLLY RULES LITA DROOLS

[GLfan]

I also agree on that!

[3dman27]

i read om www.lordsofpain that taz wasn't at last nights smackdown as he and his family are mourning his father death my condolenses to taz

[GLfan]

I also read that, Jarrett is in talks with Viacom about getting a deal worked out for TNA on Spike TV.

[JINoside]

3dman, Are you a LordsofPain promoter or something? I mean really, i notice in that most your posts, not all, that you start the same way. "I read on www.lordsofpain that...". Either you work for them in some way or, You just like that site alot:o.....

[3dman27]

no i don' work there i'm just trying to give my source of information proper credit

[kane9321]

love me some molly holly

[PyroChamber]

Can you imagine if Matt Hardy was in the latter match with all that went on with Edge and Lita??? Now THAT would be a hell of a match.

[brainchild81]

Is it just me or has the WWE completely forgotten how to build stars? They've built up Orton & Cena @ the expense of others who've been there longer & deserve it more. And for what, Cena might eventually be worth it, but I don't think anybody's gonna give a s**t about Orton a year from now. I really don't think you're gonna get a "Rock" or "Stone Cold" out of them. It seems sometimes like now that they've beaten WCW, they've become just like WCW was @ it's worst. I mean, they recycled the NWO thing which was a waste of time. They brought in lame a$$ Goldberg and threw the belt around him. I think Linda Mac said something like "Our champion has been a disappointment". He didn't disappoint me because I knew he wasn't anything more than a waste of time & a paycheck. He's talanted, but too green to put these talents to use in good matches. They've made HHH into some kind of God because he's f**king the right people. They're trying to make a Ric Flair style legend out of him by giving him as many title reigns as possible even though he'll never be worthy of lacing Flair's boots. When you look back @ Stone Cold you say he had "it". When you look back @ The Rock you say he had "it". When you look back @ HHH you can't really say he has "it" or ever had "it". No matter how hard they try, he'll never be a legitimate legend. They ruined the whole undisputed thing by just creating a belt for him. I can't remember the last time he went 2 months w/out the title. The best wrestlers rarely get to main-event. For some reason they keep Kane around & put him in matches where he doesn't belong(If he wins, it's stupid.) Kane should be kept around, but only to make other, more talented & entertaining wrestlers look good. The tag belts really don't mean anything anymore. & Smackdown has somehow been turned into the "Minor" league even though the Smackdown belt is technically more legit.

[Hunter Rider]

^^^ well i think orton will be a better longterm prospect than Cena.Cena hasnt had a single match worth anything so far,he is still under the level of main event and is in the WM21 SD main event cos he's popular and the key demographic love his gimmik.As for the Orton vs Undetaker angle i really wish they'd just put taker back to his Biker Gimmik this darkside crap might have been cool 10 years ago but its just stupid now ,I mean he has magic powers:rolleyes: and Orton running away like a coward just devalues him further.I agree on Kane the guy is only useful as a monster heel to get other wrestlers over,Personally i'd like to see more time given to Y2J ,christian and Shelton

[brainchild81]

I agree w/you about Y2J ,christian and Shelton. And yes, the "Magical Zombie" thing needs to R.I.P. 'cause it's tired. 'Taker should retire soon. I also forgot to put how stupid it was to give Hogan the belt. Another WCW mistake.

[Shifty]

Is it just me or has the WWE completely forgotten how to build stars? They've built up Orton & Cena @ the expense of others who've been there longer & deserve it more. And for what, Cena might eventually be worth it, but I don't think anybody's gonna give a s**t about Orton a year from now. I really don't think you're gonna get a "Rock" or "Stone Cold" out of them. It seems sometimes like now that they've beaten WCW, they've become just like WCW was @ it's worst. I mean, they recycled the NWO thing which was a waste of time. They brought in lame a$$ Goldberg and threw the belt around him. I think Linda Mac said something like "Our champion has been a disappointment". He didn't disappoint me because I knew he wasn't anything more than a waste of time & a paycheck. He's talanted, but too green to put these talents to use in good matches. They've made HHH into some kind of God because he's f**king the right people. They're trying to make a Ric Flair style legend out of him by giving him as many title reigns as possible even though he'll never be worthy of lacing Flair's boots. When you look back @ Stone Cold you say he had "it". When you look back @ The Rock you say he had "it". When you look back @ HHH you can't really say he has "it" or ever had "it". No matter how hard they try, he'll never be a legitimate legend. They ruined the whole undisputed thing by just creating a belt for him. I can't remember the last time he went 2 months w/out the title. The best wrestlers rarely get to main-event. For some reason they keep Kane around & put him in matches where he doesn't belong(If he wins, it's stupid.) Kane should be kept around, but only to make other, more talented & entertaining wrestlers look good. The tag belts really don't mean anything anymore. & Smackdown has somehow been turned into the "Minor" league even though the Smackdown belt is technically more legit.

They seem to be doing something right with Batista, probably the last guy everyone expected to face HHH at WrestleMania or even win the Rumble. Kinda like Austin, he wasn't brought into the WWF to become the biggest star. But in a way they're forcing Orton/Cena to become huge stars and it really hasn't paid off (similar to Brock). Same with Goldberg they had high expectations. I see Shelton as a future world champ on RAW, as long as the WWE doesn't force him to that status.

HHH was without the title from WrestleMania XX to Unforgiven 2004 for six months as Benoit held it for five and Orton one.

[Goldenage Batman]

Oh the Hell you two did not just say Taker's magic is stupid:mad:.....I'll send my agents after you...

[brainchild81]

They seem to be doing something right with Batista, probably the last guy everyone expected to face HHH at WrestleMania or even win the Rumble. Kinda like Austin, he wasn't brought into the WWF to become the biggest star. But in a way they're forcing Orton/Cena to become huge stars and it really hasn't paid off (similar to Brock). Same with Goldberg they had high expectations. I see Shelton as a future world champ on RAW, as long as the WWE doesn't force him to that status.

HHH was without the title from WrestleMania XX to Unforgiven 2004 for six months as Benoit held it for five and Orton one.Not long enough. HHH almost always has that belt nowadays. I'd like Batista to win, but just to get the title off of HHH. Batista could someday be great, but right now he's a little green.

[John Constantine]

^^^ well i think orton will be a better longterm prospect than Cena.Cena hasnt had a single match worth anything so far,he is still under the level of main event and is in the WM21 SD main event cos he's popular and the key demographic love his gimmik.As for the Orton vs Undetaker angle i really wish they'd just put taker back to his Biker Gimmik this darkside crap might have been cool 10 years ago but its just stupid now ,I mean he has magic powers:rolleyes: and Orton running away like a coward just devalues him further.I agree on Kane the guy is only useful as a monster heel to get other wrestlers over,Personally i'd like to see more time given to Y2J ,christian and Shelton

Couldn't agree with you more about the Biker gimmick. The Deadman was cool 10 years ago, but UT progressed way beyond that. I thought it was a total regression of his character to bring him back as the Deadman in WM 20.

[3dman27]

why not let LITA be a biker type ?she's always looked a bit like a biker anyway

[Hunter Rider]

Couldn't agree with you more about the Biker gimmick. The Deadman was cool 10 years ago, but UT progressed way beyond that. I thought it was a total regression of his character to bring him back as the Deadman in WM 20.

yeah it was OK for 1 night but has killed him since as its stopped him cutting the cool promos he was cutting as the biker badass and now he hardly speaks or says some nonsense about souls and dragons,a total waste IMO

[John Constantine]

Not to mention when he was the badass he actually sold some moves :eek: ;)

[Sabretooth]

Yes,but if he was the badass,you don't get promos like the one we got on Raw last Monday :(

But still,I started watching wrestling when he was the badass,and it would've been cool for him to still be the badass,because honestly,that gimmick woul've worked at this time in his career...

[Shifty]

Smackdown Spoilers from Rajah - Taker/orton

Backstage: Teddy Long meets, greets and hugs Bob Orton. Orton is concerned that Randy took his advice to make his mark too far, is now in over his head, and wants to talk and explain this to the Undertaker. At first Long refuses, but then relents, and tells him that he is next.

4. Bob Orton-Undertaker angle

Orton comes out to a respectful ovation, and runs down how although he is proud of his 20 year career and how he molded Randy into one of the best wrestlers in the world, he wants to talk to the Undertaker for his son’s sake. After a few seconds of stalling, in which the crowd used to start a loud “Randy sucks” chant, Undertaker makes his way down to a thunderous ovation.

Orton states that he doesn’t want any trouble, and asks Undertaker to “hear him out.” He apologizes for Randy’s slap. Undertaker states that it took one slap to seal Orton’s fate. At WrestleMania, Randy Orton will “Rest in peace.” Orton gets on his knees to beg for mercy for his son, and Undertaker is preparing to leave, when Orton grabs him. Undertaker turns to look at Orton, who won’t let go, until Undertaker turns around right into an RKO from Randy Orton!!

Father and son leave the ring in triumph while Undertaker tries at first unsuccessfully to stand up. Undertaker would leave on his own power.
-----
Over at CS! I brought up having Randy's father being involved in the match and it looks like that might happen at WrestleMania. Which I like. Having your son defeat Taker, who wouldn't want to help?

[The Techno Bat]

Is it just me or has the WWE completely forgotten how to build stars? They've built up Orton & Cena @ the expense of others who've been there longer & deserve it more. And for what, Cena might eventually be worth it, but I don't think anybody's gonna give a s**t about Orton a year from now. I really don't think you're gonna get a "Rock" or "Stone Cold" out of them. It seems sometimes like now that they've beaten WCW, they've become just like WCW was @ it's worst. I mean, they recycled the NWO thing which was a waste of time. They brought in lame a$$ Goldberg and threw the belt around him. I think Linda Mac said something like "Our champion has been a disappointment". He didn't disappoint me because I knew he wasn't anything more than a waste of time & a paycheck. He's talanted, but too green to put these talents to use in good matches. They've made HHH into some kind of God because he's f**king the right people. They're trying to make a Ric Flair style legend out of him by giving him as many title reigns as possible even though he'll never be worthy of lacing Flair's boots. When you look back @ Stone Cold you say he had "it". When you look back @ The Rock you say he had "it". When you look back @ HHH you can't really say he has "it" or ever had "it". No matter how hard they try, he'll never be a legitimate legend. They ruined the whole undisputed thing by just creating a belt for him. I can't remember the last time he went 2 months w/out the title. The best wrestlers rarely get to main-event. For some reason they keep Kane around & put him in matches where he doesn't belong(If he wins, it's stupid.) Kane should be kept around, but only to make other, more talented & entertaining wrestlers look good. The tag belts really don't mean anything anymore. & Smackdown has somehow been turned into the "Minor" league even though the Smackdown belt is technically more legit.

Well Put. I agree with you on alot of what you are saying. I really don't know what happened with Kane. They misuse him alot, and he deserves better, sure he is not as technically sound as Chris Benoit or Bret Hart, but the guy is still a monster and deserves better than a ladder match with five fast moving guys. Kane is going to look like a fish out of water in that match and it makes no sense to have him in it at all.

[Donnie Darko]

am I the only one here that really doesn't like Kane? I mean, he's 10000000x better than Snitsky, but I just haven't really liked him at all for a few years.

[John Constantine]

Smackdown Spoilers from Rajah - Taker/orton

Backstage: Teddy Long meets, greets and hugs Bob Orton. Orton is concerned that Randy took his advice to make his mark too far, is now in over his head, and wants to talk and explain this to the Undertaker. At first Long refuses, but then relents, and tells him that he is next.

4. Bob Orton-Undertaker angle

Orton comes out to a respectful ovation, and runs down how although he is proud of his 20 year career and how he molded Randy into one of the best wrestlers in the world, he wants to talk to the Undertaker for his son’s sake. After a few seconds of stalling, in which the crowd used to start a loud “Randy sucks” chant, Undertaker makes his way down to a thunderous ovation.

Orton states that he doesn’t want any trouble, and asks Undertaker to “hear him out.” He apologizes for Randy’s slap. Undertaker states that it took one slap to seal Orton’s fate. At WrestleMania, Randy Orton will “Rest in peace.” Orton gets on his knees to beg for mercy for his son, and Undertaker is preparing to leave, when Orton grabs him. Undertaker turns to look at Orton, who won’t let go, until Undertaker turns around right into an RKO from Randy Orton!!

Father and son leave the ring in triumph while Undertaker tries at first unsuccessfully to stand up. Undertaker would leave on his own power.
-----
Over at CS! I brought up having Randy's father being involved in the match and it looks like that might happen at WrestleMania. Which I like. Having your son defeat Taker, who wouldn't want to help?


hmm....interesting. I guess Orton isn't gonna RKO his dad when he introduces him to the HOF now :( :D

[brainchild81]

am I the only one here that really doesn't like Kane? I mean, he's 10000000x better than Snitsky, but I just haven't really liked him at all for a few years.
No. You're not the only one. I think he's boring. I dislike what the bookies do with him even more. There was no purpose in him winning his feud w/RVD. I really don't think too many people buy tix to see Kane plod around the ring. A while back he got hit by Rhyno's gore & still got up & won. Instead of building up these people, they have Kane win even though he'll never mean anything.

[John Constantine]

To be honest, Kane was a pretty good wrestler, especially for a guy his size. However, a few questionable angles involving him - the Katie Vick story, his unmasking, and his marriage to Lita - absolutely ruined his character. Not to mention he debuted as a major badass, and won the title belt from Austin, in a First Blood match, then proceeded to lose it to Austin the very next night by pinfall :rolleyes: :mad:

[brainchild81]

Nah. Kane is mediocre wrestler @ best. Compare him to Mike Awesome or 'Taker. They're big guys, & they dive over ropes and are capable of doing cool s**t. Big wrestlers always get judged less harshly than small guys, but Kane sux. Big time

[John Constantine]

Kane sucks? Have you seen some of matches circa 1998-1999? Kane did a few moves off the top rope as well. In fact, I could almost say that he had more athletic abilty at that time than Undertaker. It's true that right now, Kane is a shadow of his former self, but back when he first debuted, he was a good wrestler.

[brainchild81]

Average @ best. I was talking about high-risk stuff. Diving over the ropes is a little better than coming off the ropes w/that lame clothesline.

[The Techno Bat]

Nah. Kane is mediocre wrestler @ best. Compare him to Mike Awesome or 'Taker. They're big guys, & they dive over ropes and are capable of doing cool s**t. Big wrestlers always get judged less harshly than small guys, but Kane sux. Big time

I wouldn't say Kane s*cks. He is a good wrestler at best and has lost a step over the years. But when he is on his game and used properly he is awesome. But that is something we haven't seen in a long time...because as stated the damn bookers in the WWE don't know how to use him.

[brainchild81]

I respect your opinion, but I've never seen him do anything decent

[3dman27]

hmm....interesting. I guess Orton isn't gonna RKO his dad when he introduces him to the HOF now :( :D
with all due respect to cowboy bob orton i had heard he had passed away a few years ago it seems i was misinformed

[Goldenage Batman]

with all due respect to cowboy bob orton i had heard he had passed away a few years ago it seems i was misinformed

I though it was his Grandfather who died...?....

[The Techno Bat]

I respect your opinion, but I've never seen him do anything decent

Ditto...

We both have different views on him.
Peace Out

[Super Kal]

Big Show vs. Ake Bono.

and the winner is...

[Sabretooth]

Is AKebono gay or something? He keeps smiling at Big Show in that way.:confused:

[Super Kal]

Is AKebono gay or something? He keeps smiling at Big Show in that way.:confused:
i think he's just happy to be in the wrestling business, let alone do another sumo wresting match

[The Techno Bat]

i think he's just happy to be in the wrestling business, let alone do another sumo wresting match

agreed. I think those scales where rigged. Because last I knew The Big Show weighed around 465-470 lbs. There is no way that Akebuno weights 504 lbs Now, perhaps in his prime. How old is this guy anyway. I thought for a second we were going to see him drag that poor sap into the corner and watch Akebuno drop on him with a Banzai Drop ala Yokozuna

[3dman27]

i taped last nights shownothing interested me ecept for paul london becoming cruiserweight camp so i'll reuse that part of the tape for next weeks" wrestlemaia aftermath" raw

normally i can find spoilers for smackdown since its taped in advance, so if nothing interests me i can tape something else but this week the only thing i found was the undertaker segment spoiler earlier in this thread no spoilers on either of the wrestling fansites that NORMALLY have them wassup withthat? :hq:

[0neDisturbedSOB]

Anyone else think with the exception of 3 matches the WM21 card is pretty weak this year? I mean look at last year's card compared to now.

Goldberg VS Lesnar with Austin as ref

Cena VS Big Show for the US title

Eddie VS Angle for the WWE title

Benoit VS HBK VS HHH for the World title

Rock 'n sock connection VS Evolution

and some others I can't remember. Now look at this year's card...

Batista VS HHH for the world title

Cena VS JBL for the WWE title

Randy Orton VS Undertaker

Rey Mysterio Jr. VS Eddie

HBK VS Kurt Angle

Jericho VS Benjamin VS Kane VS Edge VS Benoit VS Christian

Trish VS Christy

Big Show VS Akebono

What's up with no IC, US or tag titles being defended?? they'd rather put on a sumo match than have the titles defended?? I'm really only interested in like 3-4 matches, the rest I don't care about.

[WildChild]

No.

[WildChild]

So what are you guys doing for Wrestlemania 21? my friends and I have a wrestlemania day where we hang out and drink all day.Needless to say I can't wait.

[The Techno Bat]

Getting together with a bunch of buddies to watch the big event. Can't wait. it's always best to watch the grand daddy of them all with a bunch of fellow wrestling fans!

[The Techno Bat]

Batista VS HHH for the world title- Interested

Cena VS JBL for the WWE title- Not Interested

Randy Orton VS Undertaker- Not Interested

Rey Mysterio Jr. VS Eddie- Interested

HBK VS Kurt Angle- Interested

Jericho VS Benjamin VS Kane VS Edge VS Benoit VS Christian- Interested

Trish VS Christy- Not Interested

Big Show VS Akebono- Interested

[GLfan]

I'll be having friends over too, I'm looking forward to Wrestlemania.

[WildChild]

I have some intrest in all the matches that are on the card this year.That six way latter match,Eddie/Rey and Kurt Angle Shan Micheals match have my intrest the most.

[3dman27]

Batista VS HHH for the world title- Interested


Trish VS Christy- Not Interested

Big Show VS Akebono- Interested
theese are the only ones i'm interested intho i think it should be MOLLY vs trish and maybe lilian vs christy[that would be a more even match

[Super Kal]

i personally dont think this year's Wrestlemania is gonna do as well as last year's Wrestlemania.

[Donnie Darko]

does anyone know exactly how much WM21 is going to cost? like $40 I'm assuming?

[Metamorpho1977]

What are the odds though that after Wrestlemania they have Akebono as a regular wrestler and that Big Show choke slams him at the end of the sumo match? Pretty good I think.

[Metamorpho1977]

my cable box has Wrestlemania listed at 49.95

[John Constantine]

What are the odds though that after Wrestlemania they have Akebono as a regular wrestler and that Big Show choke slams him at the end of the sumo match? Pretty good I think.

Nah, I think Akebono's a one-time thing only. But this might open the door for more wrestlers from Japan to come to the WWE....

[0neDisturbedSOB]

So would know be the time to start getting everyone's thoughts on who's going to win? I guess I'll start....

Batista VS HHH = Batista

Cena VS JBL = Cena

Angle VS HBK = HBK

Orton VS Undertaker = Undertaker although I think it would be interesting to see Orton finally end the UT's winning streak

Big Show VS Akebono = I really don't care but I guess I'd go with Big Show

6 man ladder match = Jericho

Trish VS Christy = Trish....I see Lita turning on Christy for some reason

Eddie VS Rey Mysterio = Rey and I see Eddie snapping and beating the crap out of him afterwards

Anyone know what the main event (last match) is going to be? I would think it would be Batista VS HHH since it just seems higher profile but last year the main event was a RAW one so I guess this year it could be Smackdown's turn.

[CorporalHicks]

Angle's going to win. HBK can't beat a legend

[0neDisturbedSOB]

HBK is a legend....Angle still has awhile to go before he can reach that status.

[Hunter Rider]

My WM21 predictions

HHH vs Batista =Batista winning title it would be ridiculous to go this far and not make him champ,match could be a bit clumsy ,HHH needs to be on his A-game

Cena vs JBL=JBL retains as cena isnt ready to be champ and JBL is still doing reasonably well,plus both champs losing is to obvious,match may be ok but im not sold on it

HBK vs Angle=HBk b/c he is the greatest performer of this generation and he should be allowed to cement that,the match will steal the show

Randy vs Taker=Taker winning as orton has shoulder surgery schedueled for the coming month,match will be excellent

Big Show vs Akebono=Show wins on his own turf,match will be short

6 way Ladder match=Y2J,should be spectacular

trish vs Christy=Trish retains match should be short hopefully

Eddie vs Rey=Rey wins and Eddie goes heel ,could steal the show if it wernt for angle vs hbk

[3dman27]

i suspect wwe.com will be getting plenty of visits for mania results tonight and tomorrow so could anyposters who whatces the ppv, which starts at 7 pm eastern time tonight btw please post the results asap thank you

[Sabretooth]

For some reason I see Lita turning on Christy.:confused:

[John Constantine]

HBK is a legend....Angle still has awhile to go before he can reach that status.

HBK is a legend, but Angle is also a legend in his own right. Sure he hasn't been in the WWE as long as Michaels has been, but he's done almost as much. In his first year alone, he won the IC title, King of the Ring, and Heavyweight championship. And he won all three convincingly. He's put on great match after great match against various opponents. He can put on a kickass promo on the mic. Not to mention he's consistently in the main event picture. He's the total package IMO.

[John Constantine]

For some reason I see Lita turning on Christy.:confused:

I could just imagine the "slut" chants going overboard if she turns :D

[John Constantine]

Wait..there's gonna be a Battle Royal in WM 21 featuring 15 SD stars and 15 Raw stars and it's only gonna be available on the WM 21 dvd? :confused:


:mad: :(

[The Techno Bat]

Wait..there's gonna be a Battle Royal in WM 21 featuring 15 SD stars and 15 Raw stars and it's only gonna be available on the WM 21 dvd? :confused:


:mad: :(

I just read that too (newsletter that I get) and I think that is a rip, we are already paying 50 bucks! (How Much? 50 Bucks) for the damn PPV and we don't even get to see this Battle Royal?

What a joke!

[The Techno Bat]

For some reason I see Lita turning on Christy.:confused:

Lita is a wh*re

[Sabretooth]

What are the results so far

[Shifty]

Rey, Trish, Edge, Taker, Angle, Akebono, Cena

[Sabretooth]

Wait,Akebono actually won? And did Eddie turn heel?:confused:

[Shifty]

I'm just going from online results. I don't have illegal DirecTV anymore, the last PPV I saw was last year's WM. They didn't list Eddie turning heel. They might drag it out some more.

[The Ghoul]

Eddie didn't turn heel.

[Sabretooth]

Two new champions...

[Shifty]

Well I see a Edge vs Batista match for Bad Blood.

[John Constantine]

Wow. Can't believe they had two title changes on the show. Usually it's just one title change and the other retains.

But it is interesting to see Batista and Cena get the championship titles. Hopefully they can take this chance they have and run with it.....

[0neDisturbedSOB]

Am I the only one that sorta felt cheated on the Cena JBL match? don't get me wrong I love Cena as champ and it was good, but it just seemed way too rushed for all the weeks of build up that went into it. I was glad to Cena finally win the big one as I think that he has a great chance at making a big name for himself....hopefully hes in for a very long, deserved title run.

Batista pretty much dominated HHH during that match. HHH had the upper hand for awhile but as a whole Batista had this one in the bad. I was really glad to see win the big one...you could tell it meant a lot to him to finally reach the major leagues since it wasn't that long ago when he was "Deacon" Batista.

Orton VS Undertaker was a good match. Like him or not you have to admit that Orton put up a pretty good fight and everyone thought that Orton was going to win at least once during the match. The chokeslam into an RKO was an awesome reversal....I would've been happy if Orton won only because it would've been something new and could've provided the start for a great feud, but having UT win was a nice way for a legend to maintain his winning streak.

Angle VS HBK was great. I REALLY wanted HBK to win but Angle won fair and square and both men put on one hell of a show.

Big Show VS Akebono was a complete waste of time. I fast forwarded thru this match...and seeing those guys in the sumo garb was a terrible sight. You know you're fat when you have crotch fat....yuck.

6 man ladder match...GREAT match I was cheering for either Jericho or Benoit...anyone but Edge.

Eddie VS Rey was great too. I was completely surprised to see Rey win, I fully expected Eddie to turn heel and kick Rey's ass after the match.

Trish VS Christy....another pointless match. Although I have to say that Trish must've had some work done because she looks 100x better than she used to and that outfit she had on made her look GOOD.

Ugene segment was great...I was waiting for Austin to come out but when Hogan came out I sat right up. It was great to see the Hulkster finally kick Hassan's ass....the pose infront of the american flag was great, it represented what hulkamania's all about.

Piper's pit segment was great. The opening slaps in the face were the highlight for me. I did feel kinda cheated because it was so short. I guess I still miss Austin as a regular player in the WWE, it was good to see him, I just wish he was around more...NO ONE does it like Stone Cold Steve Austin.

Overall a great show, a couple of things I didn't care about but for the most part it was worth the $49.99 I paid. The match of the night was definitely the HHH VS Batista match...all of that build up really paid off in the end.

[LordSimen]

It was a great wrestlemania, I was quite happy with it. I was dissappointed with the last 2 wrestlemanias and this one definatly made up for it!

[3dman27]

Trish VS Christy = Trish....I see Lita turning on Christy for some reason


did she ?
ever since the "mrs kane" buisness started i've expected the debut of HEEL LITA

[0neDisturbedSOB]

No Lita didn't turn heel

[hotrain33]

Seeing both Batista and Cena become the new champions of their respected brands was a huge surprise for me. Even though Cena was deserving of a title run I thought he would be denied of it like others were in the past to prolong jbl's reign. However with smackdowns ratings not as strong it seems the time was now to have a new champ representing it.

[Goldenage Batman]

13 and 0......I'm a happy boy....

[DOG LIPS]

I swear if HHH gets the title back in a week or two like he always does, or on tonight's RAW like he's done before, I'll be an angry monkey. :mad:

[Goldenage Batman]

I swear if HHH gets the title back in a week or two like he always does, or on tonight's RAW like he's done before, I'll be an angry monkey. :mad:

.....I thought you were a dog...:D...

[Sava]

Piper's pit segment was great. The opening slaps in the face were the highlight for me. I did feel kinda cheated because it was so short. I guess I still miss Austin as a regular player in the WWE, it was good to see him, I just wish he was around more...NO ONE does it like Stone Cold Steve Austin.



:( :up: ... i miss him

[kane9321]

13-0..yesssss.I really wanted lita to turn heel..it would have been great!

[DOG LIPS]

.....I thought you were a dog...:D...
Oh yeah......Sometimes I forget. :p

[0neDisturbedSOB]

:( :up: ... i miss him

I do too, no one does it like Austin.

[Sava]

I do too, no one does it like Austin.


so is he back?

[The Undertaker]

The demons of past conquered souls lifted the entity swiftly guiding him to the battle ground where he once again stands guard protecting his dark legacy. Darkness consumes the light, and The Reaper reigns supreme..

R.I.P Orton ..Lucky 13

[Goldenage Batman]

The demons of past conquered souls lifted the entity swiftly guiding him to the battle ground where he once again stands guard protecting his dark legacy. Darkness consumes the light, and The Reaper reigns supreme..


R.I.P Orton ..Lucky 13

:up:

[GLfan]

I enjoyed mania, to me the highlightes were Piper's Pit and Hogan's appearance. Was that the real Mysterio or someone else, cause it didn't look like him, he seemed smaller.

[0neDisturbedSOB]

so is he back?

I doubt he's back on a full time basis. Maybe an appearance here and there but nothing permanent. Wrestling will never be as good as the days of Austin VS McMahon.

Hogan brought wrestling to mainstream and Austin took it to a whole new level. Hogan created the 'classic' era of wrestling and Austin created the 'attitude' era....that's how I see it.

[The Batman]

13-0, Yes!!!!!

[3dman27]

i checked lords of pain.net and they say the wwe wants stacy keibler to turn heel thinking her face persona has gone as far as possible at present
now might be a good time for a heel turn in the aftermath of being rkoed it would explain her change of personality[bitterness after being double crossed by orton]if she does maybe molly will ,hopefully go back to being a face

[Sabretooth]

I heard WWE signed with USA Network

[Hunter Rider]

WM21 was very good IMO.The first matches(rey/eddie,6 way,taker/randy) were superb and got the show flying.The 2entertaiment spots,pipers pit,hogans run-in were good value.The sumo match and womens title match were crap as expected.The match of the night was without a doubt HBK vs Kurt but i think it was ****ed up that angle went over as this was a legends battle not a legend versus an up and comer that needed the win this was about legacy and while i think angle is awesome HBK deserved the victory at this point IMO.The 2 title matches were weaker than the rest of the card.The cena/JBL match was a lame 10 minute by the numbers affair that was no better than a heat match.HHH proved why he is so great by basically carrying Batista through the match.The big man hit his spots when HHH set them up for him and did a good job,it made for a decent match but not a patch on some previous mania classics like last years 3-way.HHH expierience told the story well and Batista showed enough to suggest he could be a good champ,for how long though im not sure.The irony is that we now have 2 champs with merely average in ring skills when further down the roster guys like Shelton,edge,Y2j and Benoit as well as HBK and angle who are much superior play second fiddle.Cena in particular is a prime example of popularity over talent getting you the belt

[The Batman]

I heard Shelton was basically the best guy in the Ladder match.

I heard he ran up the ladder at one point

[The Techno Bat]

I heard Shelton was basically the best guy in the Ladder match.

I heard he ran up the ladder at one point

Shelton Benjamin hit the best move of the entire night, out of all the matches! He was awesome in the match along with Christian. But of course you know who won EDGE But over all the ladder match wasn't all that great. Too many different guys on the outside down and out, while three guys in the ring took care of business. I didn't see enough of Christian or Y2J. And I think Chris Benoit really hurt himself in that match.

[0neDisturbedSOB]

It was said that both Shelton and Benoit needed help to the back.

[The Techno Bat]

HULKAMANIA

Still Running Wild! ! ! !

[The Techno Bat]

It was said that both Shelton and Benoit needed help to the back.

is that why there were only like two or three guys in the ring at a time for long periods of time? Did you see when Tyson Tomko started going over the top rope before Kane even hit with the clothesline? Did Shelton hurt his ankle after he got tied up in the ropes?

[Sabretooth]

No offense to anyone,but I can't see why people are saying Cena deserved the belt.As hunter rider said,it's popularity over everything else with him.I heard the match was pretty short.And from what I read about what happened in the match,sounds like they made JBL look like a weakling.It took Cena,what,ten minutes?

The only way I'll be happy with him as champ is if he turns heel.Which is probably going to happen considering his new music,which just screams heel.:o

[The Undertaker]

Actually at the beginning and middle of the match Cena was getting beat pretty bad i'd say.

[Sabretooth]

Austin!!!! :D

[kane9321]

anybody see raw lastnite..favorite part ...when.trish kicked the holy hell outta christy.I was saying"just dont get involved lita, dont do it..this is the perfect time for lita to turn heel"blame christy for the pain and suffering shes been gettin lately..woot

[Weadazoid]

I definalty watch wrestlin. Not so much smackdown right now it is bothering me, but perhaps Cena can pull me in.

I was pissed they did not give Batista any mic time last night the guy just wont eh championship for christs sakes.

It will be interesting to see where this championship run goes, on a positive note he seemed to still be the animal, he almost wasn't a face last night so much as he was a heel.

I think the crowd actualy felt bad for Orton at the end cause Batista just wrecked him

[GLfan]

anybody see raw lastnite..favorite part ...when.trish kicked the holy hell outta christy.I was saying"just dont get involved lita, dont do it..this is the perfect time for lita to turn heel"blame christy for the pain and suffering shes been gettin lately..wootShe got what she deserved for sleeping around with Edge:D Poor Matt

[kane9321]

is that whole edge,lita thing really true?

[Hunter Rider]

is that whole edge,lita thing really true?

yes

[kane9321]

wow..poor matt

[Sava]

I doubt he's back on a full time basis. Maybe an appearance here and there but nothing permanent. Wrestling will never be as good as the days of Austin VS McMahon.

Hogan brought wrestling to mainstream and Austin took it to a whole new level. Hogan created the 'classic' era of wrestling and Austin created the 'attitude' era....that's how I see it.


oh man, i soooo agree :up:

[Sabretooth]

I'm pissed Orton and HHH got more screentime than Batista.You heard the two biggest screen-loving-whores all night,and Batista didn't say ****.

[Hunter Rider]

HBK/Angle rematch Damnit!:mad: :up:
Looks WWE are gonna let there imaginations run wild with Cena/JBL(yawn) and HHH/Batista title rematches at the respective4 next SD and Raw brand PPV's *sigh*
Anyone else feel that we have 2 champions who arent anywhere near as good as a numberof guys on there respective rosters ?

[Weadazoid]

I'm pissed Orton and HHH got more screentime than Batista.You heard the two biggest screen-loving-whores all night,and Batista didn't say ****.


I realy felt much the same way I am shocked the way they handled things regarding the fact of how Popular batista was going into mainia, and while his mic work isn't increadible, he could have said a few words.

When HHH came out he should have made his pressence felt.

He should have come out and said

HHH, you treat this buisness, these fans like they owe you something, And like this title is your property...


Well I beat you at Mainia 1, 2, 3, and I proved to you I don't owe you anything, and neither do these fans nor this ring...

Oh wait maybe I do owe you something..a beat down! You thing the belt is your property! Come and get it back if you CAN!

[brainchild81]

HBK/Angle rematch Damnit!:mad: :up:
Looks WWE are gonna let there imaginations run wild with Cena/JBL(yawn) and HHH/Batista title rematches at the respective4 next SD and Raw brand PPV's *sigh*
Anyone else feel that we have 2 champions who arent anywhere near as good as a numberof guys on there respective rosters ?I've felt like that for a while before the PPV. I'm happy to have the belt off of HHH, but sad, 'cause he'll have it back soon. This does nothing but up his number of title reigns. He wants to be Flair so bad. It's pathetic. Cena is good, but overrated. I think JBL has had the belt long enough now. I'm just glad Undertaker didn't get it.

[Weadazoid]

I've felt like that for a while before the PPV. I'm happy to have the belt off of HHH, but sad, 'cause he'll have it back soon. This does nothing but up his number of title reigns. He wants to be Flair so bad. It's pathetic. Cena is good, but overrated. I think JBL has had the belt long enough now. I'm just glad Undertaker didn't get it.


I don't understand why EVERYONE think Batista will only have the belt for a month or two they gave him an increadible build up to Mainia, made him look spectackular agaisnt HHH and basicly went ary from the formula where the face has to get beaten up before Mainia if he is to win.


I think IF and that is big if because of Edges shot, HHH goes to the PPV to try and beat Batista he will lose, Batista should get a good solid run as champ unless something goes terribly ary.

I would not rule out a tripple threat at the next PPV 2 out of 3 falls.


HHH vs Batista vs Edge

WIth Batista going over and remaining champ until Summer Slam.

[brainchild81]

I hope you're right

[The Techno Bat]

Seeing SCSA last night on RAW stun both Maven and Simon Dean was great, that entire skit was FUNNY! The best part when Simon Dean had his protein shake in his hand and Maven bumped it and it spilled all over Austin, Simon & Maven's facial expression were priceless...It's great seeing The Rattlesnake back in the ring

Batista destroying Orton was great! And I really hope that Christian gets a HUGE push, the guy is one of the most underrated wrestlers in all of wrestling, and needs to be spotlighted more.

I am one that thinks it is way too early for John Cena to have a world title. I think JBL was just hitting his stride and should have been allowed to hold onto the title until atleast Summer-Slam and then have a world title change, make Cena chase JBL around and really earn it. IMO It was a big time mistake for Cena to win the title.

I was happy to see HHH lose the world title to Batista at WM21, which he did last year as well losing the world title to Chris Benoit. As much as we all ***** and complain about HHH, atleast he drops the strap on the biggest stage of them all. I just hope to hell he doesn't break Ric Flair's record of world title belts reigns. If he does that is just wrong. Because if HHH wasn't married to the bosses daughter I don't think HHH would have even five world title reigns.

[John Constantine]

HBK/Angle rematch Damnit!:mad: :up:
Looks WWE are gonna let there imaginations run wild with Cena/JBL(yawn) and HHH/Batista title rematches at the respective4 next SD and Raw brand PPV's *sigh*
Anyone else feel that we have 2 champions who arent anywhere near as good as a numberof guys on there respective rosters ?

At the moment, yeah. It's just up to Cena and Batista respectively to do something with the opportunity that was given to them. Look at JBL. I was a bit pissed when he first beat Guerrero for the title. But he slowly grew on me, now I see him as a (sort-of) legitimate champion.

But those rematches are kinda annoying. Wrestlemania is supposed to be an event where the major feuds end and right after that show is the start of new feuds, particularly for the championship title. I mean right now is a perfect opportunity to push Edge to the main event, slowly build up a feud between him and Batista. But nooo, we're just back to Batista vs. Triple H again. :mad:

[Metamorpho1977]

anyone else waiting for Stone Cold to come out and solve Muhammad and Daivari's problems?

Also, Hunter who is that in your avatar?

[Hunter Rider]

anyone else waiting for Stone Cold to come out and solve Muhammad and Daivari's problems?

Also, Hunter who is that in your avatar?

sable and Torrie:D

[Sabretooth]

God I'm so sick of Hassan.the whole racist thing is so god damn annoying.

Oh,and when they show him on the tron and showing him with who he's going to face ( I don't dont what it's called) is it me or does he look like he's trying to look like a football goal with the way he puts his arms?:confused:

[Hunter Rider]

God I'm so sick of Hassan.the whole racist thing is so god damn annoying.

Oh,and when they show him on the tron and showing him with who he's going to face ( I don't dont what it's called) is it me or does he look like he's trying to look like a football goal with the way he puts his arms?:confused:

All i can say about Hassan is HBK better not be made to put him over:mad:

[Henry Hill]

Only saw a bit of RAW last night. Seems that Wrestling is losing it's appeal to me.

[0neDisturbedSOB]

Anyone else feel that we have 2 champions who arent anywhere near as good as a numberof guys on there respective rosters ?

Yes and no. I think Batista is great as champ simply because of the whole "animal" angle he's got going for him. It's nice to see a champ that can simply destroy his opponents (like he did with Orton) rather than get his ass kicked only to come back ontop....that's the angle that Austin created, they need a new one.

I actually liked Benoit as champ and I felt he was totally raped of a long title run. If anyone in the WWE deserves the title it's sure as hell him, look at the performance he put on at WM and that wasn't for any belt...it just shows you the dedication.

I would also like to see another Jericho title run but due to his size I doubt that's going to happen anytime soon. At least he's secured his spot in history as the first Undisputed Champion...no one can take that from him.

Edge has pretty much screwed himself out of any push that he was in line for with the whole Matt/Lita thing. I heard the the WWE looks down on mixing business with pleasure, especially when it's behind a fellow worker's back....not to mention he's a complete scumbag for doing it.

I REALLY hope HHH takes a break from the title run for awhile. It seems like he's always got the belt and it's nothing but a game of who can take it from him...he's headlined how many Wrestlemania's?? at least the last 3. I actually wouldn't mine seeing the Orton/Batista angle develop into a feud for the title. Orton could continue the "I was the future of Evolution" thing feeling like he was the rightful person to take that belt off of HHH, not Batista. Guys like Orton and Batista are the future of wrestling, and if the WWE ever wants to see the future they'd better start making new storylines with new characters rather than having a game of "keep away" with the title from HHH....it's getting REALLY old now.

Oh and one more thing.....bring back AUSTIN! NO ONE can do it like the Rattlesnake, he made wrestling what it is today.

[Hunter Rider]

At the moment, yeah. It's just up to Cena and Batista respectively to do something with the opportunity that was given to them. Look at JBL. I was a bit pissed when he first beat Guerrero for the title. But he slowly grew on me, now I see him as a (sort-of) legitimate champion.

But those rematches are kinda annoying. Wrestlemania is supposed to be an event where the major feuds end and right after that show is the start of new feuds, particularly for the championship title. I mean right now is a perfect opportunity to push Edge to the main event, slowly build up a feud between him and Batista. But nooo, we're just back to Batista vs. Triple H again. :mad:

yeah i was thinking it'll be summerslam before Edge gets his shot,i was suprised they had Benoit beat him especially with the one arm angle,I'm expecting a feud between the 2 for a couple of months to get Edge ready for Batista.As for there runs as champion i think if Batista has the right opponents he can be a decent champ nut Cena just doesnt convince me and the SD roster apart from angle doesn't IMO have the talent to really bring more out of him.Somewhere though wwe have to start pushing shelton and get Orton back on track,his lame-ass job to batista just devalued him more,This break for his shoulder surgery is pronbably a good thing for him

[Hunter Rider]

Yes and no. I think Batista is great as champ simply because of the whole "animal" angle he's got going for him. It's nice to see a champ that can simply destroy his opponents (like he did with Orton) rather than get his ass kicked only to come back ontop....that's the angle that Austin created, they need a new one.

I actually liked Benoit as champ and I felt he was totally raped of a long title run. If anyone in the WWE deserves the title it's sure as hell him, look at the performance he put on at WM and that wasn't for any belt...it just shows you the dedication.

I would also like to see another Jericho title run but due to his size I doubt that's going to happen anytime soon. At least he's secured his spot in history as the first Undisputed Champion...no one can take that from him.

Edge has pretty much screwed himself out of any push that he was in line for with the whole Matt/Lita thing. I heard the the WWE looks down on mixing business with pleasure, especially when it's behind a fellow worker's back....not to mention he's a complete scumbag for doing it.

I REALLY hope HHH takes a break from the title run for awhile. It seems like he's always got the belt and it's nothing but a game of who can take it from him...he's headlined how many Wrestlemania's?? at least the last 3. I actually wouldn't mine seeing the Orton/Batista angle develop into a feud for the title. Orton could continue the "I was the future of Evolution" thing feeling like he was the rightful person to take that belt off of HHH, not Batista. Guys like Orton and Batista are the future of wrestling, and if the WWE ever wants to see the future they'd better start making new storylines with new characters rather than having a game of "keep away" with the title from HHH....it's getting REALLY old now.

Oh and one more thing.....bring back AUSTIN! NO ONE can do it like the Rattlesnake, he made wrestling what it is today.

Well for me Batista is good but i like a bit more in ring skill and he is still very green and can be clumsy.I agree with you on Benoit and Y2j i want to see great wrestlers as champions rather than just the guy who is popular.
As for Austin i enjoyed him 97-2000 but his repeated "im unbeatable" glory hogging late on got on my nerves along with the punch-kick-punch style matches.I would like to see him make some guest appearences but not regularly

[John Constantine]

yeah i was thinking it'll be summerslam before Edge gets his shot,i was suprised they had Benoit beat him especially with the one arm angle,I'm expecting a feud between the 2 for a couple of months to get Edge ready for Batista.As for there runs as champion i think if Batista has the right opponents he can be a decent champ nut Cena just doesnt convince me and the SD roster apart from angle doesn't IMO have the talent to really bring more out of him.Somewhere though wwe have to start pushing shelton and get Orton back on track,his lame-ass job to batista just devalued him more,This break for his shoulder surgery is pronbably a good thing for him

Well there's always Eddie Guerrero, who's been teasing a heel turn for the past few weeks. I could just imagine how interesting a Guerrero-Cena match could possibly be.

I do agree that Orton has been very devalued. Particularly this past week. Losing to the Undertaker and then getting embarrassed by Batista just didn't look that good. That's why I would've preferred it if Orton would've gone over the Undertaker at WM. That way, Orton does get a victory over a legitimate legend and it will totally bring Orton back to Legend Killer status. Plus, despite the one loss, Undertaker could still get away with saying that he's at least won 12 consecutive Wrestlemania appearances.

But I am hoping for a return of RNN.....:o

[Hunter Rider]

Well there's always Eddie Guerrero, who's been teasing a heel turn for the past few weeks. I could just imagine how interesting a Guerrero-Cena match could possibly be.

I do agree that Orton has been very devalued. Particularly this past week. Losing to the Undertaker and then getting embarrassed by Batista just didn't look that good. That's why I would've preferred it if Orton would've gone over the Undertaker at WM. That way, Orton does get a victory over a legitimate legend and it will totally bring Orton back to Legend Killer status. Plus, despite the one loss, Undertaker could still get away with saying that he's at least won 12 consecutive Wrestlemania appearances.

But I am hoping for a return of RNN.....:o

I'd forgotten about Eddie's heel turn ,now that could be something,Eddie could bring more out of cena i think.He really needs to get a win over Rey first though,i wonder exactly how far there planning to push Rey ?
I know what you mean about Randy/Taker but i think the reason he didn't win was b/c he is taking time off for shoulder surgery,his total punking by batista though was just dumb on WWE's part,its the sort of squash they do on a big star who is leaving the company not a talented young star who is the future of the buisness.

RNN:D :up:

[Sabretooth]

RNN?:confused:

[John Constantine]

RNN was basically a segment involving Randy Orton during his initial heel turn. He frequently went on during inopportune times saying stuff like "My shoulder is currently at 85/90/75 percent" and "thanked" the fans for sending Get Well letters. It was what basically gave Orton a personality because before that he was a pretty generic face.

[0neDisturbedSOB]

Well for me Batista is good but i like a bit more in ring skill and he is still very green and can be clumsy.I agree with you on Benoit and Y2j i want to see great wrestlers as champions rather than just the guy who is popular.
As for Austin i enjoyed him 97-2000 but his repeated "im unbeatable" glory hogging late on got on my nerves along with the punch-kick-punch style matches.I would like to see him make some guest appearences but not regularly

That's Austin's style....it's like saying you don't like Benoits technical style, that's what makes the wrestler. Austin never had an unbeatable angle going for him, last time he was at a Wrestlemania The Rock got the clean victory over him. Goldberg was the one that had a problem with someone beating him, Austin has been beaten many times, his whole angle was refusing to back down from anyone and spitting in the face of authority (McMahon).

Batista is green but they all are when they first start out. Hopefully Batista will work extra hard since he's now "the man". I read a story about him watching the tape from WM21 studying what he did wrong during the post WM21 party....it looks like he's focused on what he needs to improve with himself which is good.

Like I always say, wrestling will NEVER be as good as the days of Austin VS McMahon. That was the single greatest storyline in WWF/WWE history, it's just a shame it's been copied by so many other characters (The Rock copied it almost to a tee)....Austin is the original bad ass, no one will ever be able to copy him or his style.

Just like there will never be another Hulk Hogan, there will never be another Austin.

[3dman27]

Only saw a bit of RAW last night. Seems that Wrestling is losing it's appeal to me.
maybe i can help
when i start to get tired of wrestling i skip watching it for a couple of weeks so i dont burn out on it then i come back

[angelus777]

I'm I the only one here who likes the ROCK, everyones sees him as overratted. dont think so, hes just as good if not better than Austin. Rock was more of an entertainer rather than having the cliche of i'm kicking your ass and taking the title that everyone does. Austin was good at promos but mediore in the ring, rock was good at both similar to Hogan.

[3dman27]

anybody see raw lastnite..favorite part ...when.trish kicked the holy hell outta christy.I was saying"just dont get involved lita, dont do it..this is the perfect time for lita to turn heel"blame christy for the pain and suffering shes been gettin lately..woot
maybe the wwe should send lita to smackdown or restrict her to heat or velocity

[Hunter Rider]

That's Austin's style....it's like saying you don't like Benoits technical style, that's what makes the wrestler. Austin never had an unbeatable angle going for him, last time he was at a Wrestlemania The Rock got the clean victory over him. Goldberg was the one that had a problem with someone beating him, Austin has been beaten many times, his whole angle was refusing to back down from anyone and spitting in the face of authority (McMahon).

Batista is green but they all are when they first start out. Hopefully Batista will work extra hard since he's now "the man". I read a story about him watching the tape from WM21 studying what he did wrong during the post WM21 party....it looks like he's focused on what he needs to improve with himself which is good.


well in his earlier days in WCW Austin could actually wrestle his matches with Steamboat and tag macthes with Brian Pillman against the Horseman were excellent.When he entered WWE they created the "rebel"character and it was fun for a period,in that time he put on some classics with Bret,Rock,Taker and Foley,but in his last run he was slow cumbersome and the matches lacked any real wrestling,its not the same as saying i don't like Benoits technical style as i enjoyed Austin initially as i said but the multiple injuries he has sustained to neck and both knees has severly limited what he can do thus making his matches repetetive punch ups.He did lose to the Rock at Mania 19 but i rember WM 17 where he changed the finish in the ring cos he didnt want ot lose in texas and vince had to come out to calm things down,there were also many occasions where he couldve lost to middle guys at the time like Benoit and Y2j that he wouldnt lose to and put them over in the way other champs have.I agree though there'll never be another 1 like him he is in the elite like Hogan,HBK,Taker and Foley IMO.As for Batista i like him i hope he can make something from this oppertunity.

[kane9321]

maybe the wwe should send her to smackdown or restrict her to heat or velocity

If you mean "christy" than yes velocity or heat would be great for her..she doesnt belong in the"raw" ring right now...wheres my "victoria"?I havent seen her on raw for some time now..she needs to get the woman's divsion going again..I'm sick of trish....Booker T should be the smackdown champion,if anybody is overlooked in the wwe its the "booker man".You dont become 5x wcw champion for nothing.."I'm like damn,when is booker gonna get his shot".Instead you got john cena as champion..makes no sense whatsoever!

[3dman27]

as you can see by my corrected post i meant lita

[0neDisturbedSOB]

His injuries have slowed him down, but during his run as the #1 guy there was NOTHING like watching Austin wrestle. Austin's style is that of any guy you'd find in a bar room brawl. It's not likely that you'd see 2 guys fighting in a bar and see one of them break out with technical movies....it's about beating down the other guy, that's Austin.

The difference between Austin and Rock is that Austin revolutionized WRESTLING, while Rock simply set the standard for cutting promos....he really didn't do anything to change the face of wrestling like Austin did, infact he copied MANY of Austin's storylines which really didn't work for him...The Rock is better as a heel.

The Rock was a character, Austin was an attitude....he will go down in history right next to Hogan as the 2 guys that single handedly changed the way wrestling/storylines are done.

[Hunter Rider]

well its clear your a big Austin fan and i can respect that.For me His "style" got old fast,we all know wrestling is a work and to me throwing pulled punches and kicks in bar room brawl matches doesnt take much skill,as i stated before i like to see actual wrestling in matches not just fighting.There's no denying him and Hulk are the 2 biggest stars the buissness has ever seen and defined 2 eras of wrestling but to me they will always be well,short of Ric Flair and HBK when it comes to actual wrestling greatness

[kane9321]

as you can see by my corrected post i meant lita


aww damn,I thought u meant christy..lol.Well lita "does" belong on raw,as she's one of the best female wrestlers on the roster period!What I'm saying is she shouldnt be out there with christy in her "valet/manager"role,that leg of hers will attract all kinds of beatdowns...ie this past raw(even though she deserves it for cheating on matt) :marv:

[3dman27]

aww damn,I thought u meant christy..lol.Well lita "does" belong on raw,as she's one of the best female wrestlers on the roster period!What I'm saying is she shouldnt be out there with christy in her "valet/manager"role,that leg of hers will attract all kinds of beatdowns...ie this past raw(even though she deserves it for cheating on matt) :marv:
i know lita deserves it i also think she should be DEMOTED to either heat smackdown or velocity and now i know HOW when the wwe goes to a draft lottery storylinelit can be shipped off to smackdown or maybe edge can end up there and learn thathis "anytime thisyear championship match contract "DOES NOT APPLY TO SMACKDOWN only raw

[0neDisturbedSOB]

well its clear your a big Austin fan and i can respect that.For me His "style" got old fast,we all know wrestling is a work and to me throwing pulled punches and kicks in bar room brawl matches doesnt take much skill,as i stated before i like to see actual wrestling in matches not just fighting.There's no denying him and Hulk are the 2 biggest stars the buissness has ever seen and defined 2 eras of wrestling but to me they will always be well,short of Ric Flair and HBK when it comes to actual wrestling greatness

It's that obvious that I like Austin huh?

I can see your point about WRESTLING. When He became "Stone Cold" from being the "Ringmaster" his style changed to fit his new persona. Each wrestler has their own style, HBK is a technical guy, Batista uses his power, and Austin is a straight brawler....to me it's like comparing apples and oranges.

but oh well....

[Sabretooth]

Anybody else feel that these rematches are seriously unnessacery?Cena vs. JBL? HHH vs. Batista? Angle vs. HBK?

[Hunter Rider]

It's that obvious that I like Austin huh?

I can see your point about WRESTLING. When He became "Stone Cold" from being the "Ringmaster" his style changed to fit his new persona. Each wrestler has their own style, HBK is a technical guy, Batista uses his power, and Austin is a straight brawler....to me it's like comparing apples and oranges.

but oh well....

I guess we just like a different style of wrestler:) as i said i enjoyed is 97-200 run just not the last run when he'd had more neck problems and 2 bad knees
I hope to see him on raw in a special guest capacity now and again to raise a little hell though

[Hunter Rider]

Anybody else feel that these rematches are seriously unnessacery?Cena vs. JBL? HHH vs. Batista? Angle vs. HBK?

I think the JBL/Cena one is pointless as there first was crap,as for Batista and HH i think the angle was just 2 big for it to be a one match deal,hopefully Batista wins again and maybe the stipulation is HHH has to move to SD.
But HBK vs Angle was a classic i'm love a rematch so Shawn can get 1 back

[The Undertaker]

I'm I the only one here who likes the ROCK, everyones sees him as overratted. dont think so, hes just as good if not better than Austin. Rock was more of an entertainer rather than having the cliche of i'm kicking your ass and taking the title that everyone does. Austin was good at promos but mediore in the ring, rock was good at both similar to Hogan.


I disagree, I think Austin was leaps and bounds better than the Rock when it came to the ring skills. I'll give credit where credit is due.. The Rock is amazing at cutting brilliant promo's and he most certainly did come off just as his moniker described him, "electrifying". But but but, Austin did revolutionize wrestling as someone here said, he made it what it is today. Plus, nobody can tell me Austin is a so-so wrestler after seeing his match on Raw with Chris Benoit a few years ago. Benoit came out challenging anybody from the back to a 'wrestling match'.. a type of match Benoit felt was not being used often. Austin accepted and I think gave the performance of his life. He showed he could truely go toe to toe with probably one the worlds greatest technical wrestlers. Rock.. well, I haven't really seen that much of an outstanding performance from him. He is definitely what you call mediocre. I have absolutely nothing to say to that 'Hogan being good in the ring' remark. Hogan is a mess in the ring. Probably has one of the worst mat skills I have ever seen. He's an amazing entertainer but great wrestler he is not.

[Shifty]

I think the JBL/Cena one is pointless as there first was crap,as for Batista and HH i think the angle was just 2 big for it to be a one match deal,hopefully Batista wins again and maybe the stipulation is HHH has to move to SD.
But HBK vs Angle was a classic i'm love a rematch so Shawn can get 1 back

Well since the quality of the Cena/JBL match was partially due to cutting the match down due to time they should get a match to atleast get a chance to put on respectable (not great) match.

HBK/Angle rematch they would be stupid not to. A rematch that fans want to actually see. HHH/Batista, the HHH character always has his 'rematch' at a PPV when he loses the title. HBK 2 out of 3 falls, 2 matches with Goldberg, Benoit in the triple threat rematch, then later a Iron Man match (yes it was on RAW) and killing Orton's character at Unforgiven. And rematches he has when he retains the title are on RAW.

[GLfan]

WWE releasing DVD's!!!!!!!

"Road Warriors - Life & Death Of The Most Dominate Team" is scheduled to be released on June 14, 2005. It will be two disks. Also, WWE will be releasing a DVD that same day looking back at 80's wrestling stars. It is called "WWE: Greatest Wrestling Stars Of The 80's" and it will be three disks.

The Wrestlemania XXI DVD will be released on May 10, 2005. It will be 3 disks. I'm bringing this up because the Hall of Fame ceremony will be included on that DVD, rather than WWE releasing a DVD just about the Hall of Fame like last year. The DVD on the 80's stars should help fill the void though.

And lastly for English wrestling fans, Silvervision.co.uk has some new Tagged Classics coming out of old WWF PPVs. They are Royal Rumbles 1993 + 1994, King of the Ring 1995 + 1996 and Survivor Series 1989 + 1990. Unfortunately, they are only available to people living in the UK as Silvervision doesn't ship overseas. WWE has never revealed the reason as to why they don't release these DVDs in the USA.

[kakashi]

I stopped watching wrestling not long after the end of the 'attitude era'. I felt that WWE lost their edge after aquiring WCW and losing some of it's top stars.

Last night i watched WM 21 and i must say that i was pleasantly surprised.It was a very good WM in my opinion.

Personally, i think that the best match on the card was Orton vs the undertaker,the match between HBK and Kurt Angle was also very good,but Shawn goofy facial expressions and his over acting ruined some of the match intense moments in my opinion.

Always been a huge Austin fan and seeing him in the same ring with Piper was too cool for words.I was dissapointed that the segment between the two only lasted for a couple of minutes.

I'm pretty neutral about Triple H and Batista.I can see why people likes Batista.The angle with him reminded me of when Austin first starting to became popular in the WWE. Kind of like suddenly seeing Cllint Eastwood type character in a Disney world.

If things continue to be this good on WWE, i think i might start watching their show on a regular basis again.

[GLfan]

I loved it when Hogan saved Eugene!:D

[Sava]

I disagree, I think Austin was leaps and bounds better than the Rock when it came to the ring skills. I'll give credit where credit is due.. The Rock is amazing at cutting brilliant promo's and he most certainly did come off just as his moniker described him, "electrifying". But but but, Austin did revolutionize wrestling as someone here said, he made it what it is today. Plus, nobody can tell me Austin is a so-so wrestler after seeing his match on Raw with Chris Benoit a few years ago. Benoit came out challenging anybody from the back to a 'wrestling match'.. a type of match Benoit felt was not being used often. Austin accepted and I think gave the performance of his life. He showed he could truely go toe to toe with probably one the worlds greatest technical wrestlers. Rock.. well, I haven't really seen that much of an outstanding performance from him. He is definitely what you call mediocre. I have absolutely nothing to say to that 'Hogan being good in the ring' remark. Hogan is a mess in the ring. Probably has one of the worst mat skills I have ever seen. He's an amazing entertainer but great wrestler he is not.

:D :up:

[Hunter Rider]

Rhyno Released by WWE

Source: W365

-- After being sent back to his hotel room and then being told he was not required for RAW on Monday, it is coming to us now breaking that Rhyno was told by WWE that due to the incident during the WrestleMania 21st after show party he is being let go by the company.

-- Many are hoping that cooler heads will prevail, but as it stands release papers were supposedly signed. More on this as it comes.

[Goldenage Batman]

Rhyno Released by WWE

Source: W365

-- After being sent back to his hotel room and then being told he was not required for RAW on Monday, it is coming to us now breaking that Rhyno was told by WWE that due to the incident during the WrestleMania 21st after show party he is being let go by the company.

-- Many are hoping that cooler heads will prevail, but as it stands release papers were supposedly signed. More on this as it comes.


DUDE!....What he do?.....

[Hunter Rider]

DUDE!....What he do?.....


apparently had a fight with his wife in the lobby of the hotel of the WM21 afterparty and smashed it up

[kane9321]

they fired him just for smashing parts of a hotel...nah must be more to this!..the fight with his wife is none of the companies buisness..thats personal

[Duende Verde]

they fired him just for smashing parts of a hotel...nah must be more to this!..the fight with his wife is none of the companies buisness..thats personal
WWE had booked them in the hotel, he was representing the company's image at the moment. Also, the incident took place in front of people at hotel lobby.

[kane9321]

mmmm good point

[Goldenage Batman]

Well hell...I liked Rhino....:(...

[brainchild81]

Me too.:mad:

[ss4goku53]

on another topic.....wrestling has way to much talking now and not enough wrestling.....

[Sabretooth]

Good riddance honestly.I always hated Rhyno.

[3dman27]

on another topic.....wrestling has way to much talking now and not enough wrestling.....
as kurt angle would say
"ITS TRUE ITS DAMN TRUE"

[Donnie Darko]

maybe now Rhyno can show up on the other ECW reunion show.

[Super Kal]

i liked Rhyno. To me, he brought a different kind of extreme to the WWE

[Hunter Rider]

Credit: PWInsider.com

Former ECW Television champion Super Crazy has signed a three year contract with WWE last week, according to an article in a newspaper in Mexico.

We had mentioned interest from WWE back in January over Super Crazy. He had been pursued by the company for some time dating back to a tour in Japan where he raised some eyebrows.

You can definitely count him in for the ECW One Night Stand show in June, and beyond that, he'll remain on the roster as a regular Superstar.

[John Constantine]

Rhyno Released by WWE

Source: W365

-- After being sent back to his hotel room and then being told he was not required for RAW on Monday, it is coming to us now breaking that Rhyno was told by WWE that due to the incident during the WrestleMania 21st after show party he is being let go by the company.

-- Many are hoping that cooler heads will prevail, but as it stands release papers were supposedly signed. More on this as it comes.

That kinda sucks :(

Rhyno could've easily been a monster heel for the Raw side, but it seems like he was always pushed to Heat.

Now it kinda seems like the ECW One Night Only PPV is not gonna have that many former ECW stars :confused: :(

[John Constantine]

Credit: PWInsider.com

Former ECW Television champion Super Crazy has signed a three year contract with WWE last week, according to an article in a newspaper in Mexico.

We had mentioned interest from WWE back in January over Super Crazy. He had been pursued by the company for some time dating back to a tour in Japan where he raised some eyebrows.

You can definitely count him in for the ECW One Night Stand show in June, and beyond that, he'll remain on the roster as a regular Superstar.

hmm...interesting. Hopefully, this might mean that the WWE is serious about the Cruiserweight division, now that they have him, Psychosis, and Juventud signed. I mean if they could just market that division right, that division could be one of the hilights of Smackdown instead of always being on Velocity....

[Donnie Darko]

I can't wait to see these luchadors in action

[Hunter Rider]

hmm...interesting. Hopefully, this might mean that the WWE is serious about the Cruiserweight division, now that they have him, Psychosis, and Juventud signed. I mean if they could just market that division right, that division could be one of the hilights of Smackdown instead of always being on Velocity....

i agree SD is fairly weak IMO and the cruiserweights bring something different to the table,They should be a major match on every Sd PPV

Rhyno Update

Source: Dave Meltzer

Despite reports, Rhyno has not been released from the WWE. He has been taken off the road stemming due to bad behavior after WrestleMania on Sunday. It is completely possible he could be released at some point at the moment no final decision has been made regarding his future.

[John Constantine]

I hope they don't release him. Or if they do, don't do it until after the ECW PPV because the WWE really does need more ECW stars for that show....:o

[0neDisturbedSOB]

on another topic.....wrestling has way to much talking now and not enough wrestling.....

That's true to an extent. Without promos and "talking" the feuds wouldn't be as strong as they are. I don't mind if a good promo is cut by someone who knows how to do it, but it used to drive me crazy when people like The Rock would take 15min and do nothing but spew out catchphrases and rant about nothing.

You need "talking" in wrestling, sometimes that can be better than the actual match.

[0neDisturbedSOB]

I wish they'd put past Wrestlemania's on DVD, not just "best of". I would also kill for DVD's of RAW to come out. They could do something like "RAW 95-96, 96-97...etc" they'd make a KILLING with something like that. There are so many good RAW moments that you'll never see again unless you've got them on tape or happen to find them on some "best of" DVD they release.

[John Constantine]

I'm pretty sure they might show those "best of" raw moments when WWE 24/7 comes on...unless it's already on :confused:


But I really wouldn't mind if they released all the WM's on dvd. It's a shame they haven't done it yet....

[John Constantine]

hahahah....did anybody else hear about the near riot that the Ultimate Warrior caused because of some stuff he said in his speech at UConn? :D


That guy is one huge looney.....

[angelus777]

Anybody here have WWE 24/7, is it really every ep of raw and smackdown, or just highlights?

[Hunter Rider]

hahahah....did anybody else hear about the near riot that the Ultimate Warrior caused because of some stuff he said in his speech at UConn? :D


That guy is one huge looney.....

The following was submitted by a student who attended the already infamous Warrior speech at the Univesity of Connecticut. This person wishes to be kept annonymous.

"Perhaps my first hand account of Warrior's speech at the University of Connecticut will assist your column.

In my opinion, what occurred at Konover Auditorium was nothing short of one of the most compelling and dramatic events I have ever participated in. Everyone needs to remember one thing: Warrior was INVITED to come and speak. This is a man who knows his views differ from most everyone's, including other conservatives, and he draws tremendous pride from that.

Warrior has always been, and always will be a colorful, candid, and politically incorrect individual who truly does not care what the world around him thinks. One HAS to respect a man who knowingly travels around to campuses to express views that will elicit responses indicative of Tuesday night. I certainly do, and that would be extended for ANY person, regardless of who or what they are.

The problem I have with what transpired is the fact that his detractors came to the appearance loaded with their own political/idealogical agenda and decided to railroad Warrior at every point they could. This was a speech, not a debate. The students in question began their attack the moment Warrior iterated concepts that challenged their own.

The most vocal of the protesters, Geoff Traugh, took exception to Warrior's statement about the responsibility and rights of life and engaged him in a critical shouting match, which was the defining moment of the evening's degeneration.

This is not academic. I've been to school, earned a degree in journalism, and was a member of the critical discourse and debate teams. Some of those students were unified in preparation against Warrior, complete with literature taken out of context from his site, and came to the speech armed against him, while he knew nothing was coming.

What type of fair forum is a public, organized attack on an unsuspecting and unprepared guest?

Simply stated, Tuesday night was a lesson in the 1st amendment. Textbook. The hypocritical irony is that Warrior was accused of intolerance, when THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT THE STUDENTS WERE OF HIM, INTOLERANT. A huge wake-up call is in store for anyone who can't handle views such as Warrior's, because when they leave the protective serenity of the university's embrace and get in someone's face because they have a problem with what they believe, an unfortunate realization may come smashing down on them and in their faces.

Considering what Warrior was confronted with, I thought he handled himself very well. It was like the mob chasing after the Frankenstein monster with torches and pitchforks because they were afraid of something they weren't familiar with. Killing it rather than learning from it.

Do you know what if feels like to be one person, alone, against a room of people screaming at you out of turn? He could have walked off, or physically assaulted someone(and if someone called me a racist, I would), but instead he stood and took it.

Once again, just remember Warrior was invited to speak, and those who decided to disrupt it are the ones who should be questioned. Personally, I feel Warrior should be asked to come back and formally enter a debate to rightfully defend himself, PREPAREDLY, like those who acted out were.

Just for the record, I certainly DO NOT subscribe to Warrior's ideologies, but I don't have to in order to respect and get along with him. I'm a man who can think for himself. I would defend Warrior's right to speak anytime, anywhere, just like I would for anyone who opposes him, when it's THEIR turn.

There was a point when an undercover officer who had been in attendance saw the riotous potential and took to the stage and said, in perhaps THE key moment of the evening. She stated that although she didn't agree with Warrior's speech, she would DIE to protect his opportunity to speak under 1st amendment rights. I had chills. A true moment I will never forget, and neither should anyone in attendance.

Tuesday night was a learning experience and a point of maturation that UConn students should hold onto and reflect upon.

When tolerance is being used as a political buzzword to hide behind, just make sure everyone is allowed it's coverage, ESPECIALLY those like Warrior. That is what our country stands for."

[0neDisturbedSOB]

Didn't he officially change his name to "Ultimate Warrior" a few years back? this guy is obviously nuts, it's a shame too because he was so cool back in the day.

I wonder if he gave his speech with his face paint and tassels on.

Anyone have a recent pic? is he still sporting the 80's hair?

[Sabretooth]

Yeah,he changed his name to Warrior. It's stupid really,can you imagine his wife going,''Warrior,I'm going to the grocery store!''

On another note.What is with that damn chain Cena's wearing right now? It's so big,I'm surprised he's not hunching forward.:p

[Sabretooth]

THAT SON OF A ***** IS GONNA CHANGE THE DAMN WWE TITLE!:mad:

[Hunter Rider]

THAT SON OF A ***** IS GONNA CHANGE THE DAMN WWE TITLE!:mad:

he's gonna do what he did with the USA title ?

[Sabretooth]

he's gonna do what he did with the USA title ?
Yes.Except even worse now.:(

[Hunter Rider]

Yes.Except even worse now.:(

what does it look like ?

[Sabretooth]

what does it look like ?
No no no.He didn't change it....yet. But he said ''you better lock the door if you didn't like the US title,blah blah blah'' or something like that :o

[Hunter Rider]

No no no.He didn't change it....yet. But he said ''you better lock the door if you didn't like the US title,blah blah blah'' or something like that :o

hmmmmm ive been wondering lately if he realises he's white

[John Constantine]

Didn't he officially change his name to "Ultimate Warrior" a few years back? this guy is obviously nuts, it's a shame too because he was so cool back in the day.

I wonder if he gave his speech with his face paint and tassels on.

Anyone have a recent pic? is he still sporting the 80's hair?

Yeah, he officially changed his name to Warrior a couple years ago. But that was because then he could use the name Warrior when he wrestles and not have to worry about fighting over the rights to the name with the WWE.

Check this out:

http://www.ultimatewarrior.com/Bio.htm

I dunno if the guy in the suit is really him or what :confused:

[Shifty]

http://www.wwe.com/shows/wwe247/programs.jsp

[The Techno Bat]

i agree SD is fairly weak IMO and the cruiserweights bring something different to the table,They should be a major match on every Sd PPV

Rhyno Update

Source: Dave Meltzer

Despite reports, Rhyno has not been released from the WWE. He has been taken off the road stemming due to bad behavior after WrestleMania on Sunday. It is completely possible he could be released at some point at the moment no final decision has been made regarding his future.

I wonder what he did that was so aweful compared to the crap that Randy Orton or Edge pulled

[John Constantine]

There's also a huge difference between Rhyno and Orton/Edge: Rhyno is a former ECW wrestler. Orton and Edge are WWE products.

:o

[0neDisturbedSOB]

Yeah, he officially changed his name to Warrior a couple years ago. But that was because then he could use the name Warrior when he wrestles and not have to worry about fighting over the rights to the name with the WWE.

Check this out:

http://www.ultimatewarrior.com/Bio.htm

I dunno if the guy in the suit is really him or what :confused:

Talk about someone who takes themselves WAY to seriously. This guy believes he is the messiah or something. I read thru his bio...this is the best part.

Dropping The Ultimate, in 1993 Warrior changed his legal name to just Warrior. In the mid 90's, Warrior was already looking beyond the ring and became a businessman with projects that included comic books, gyms, and a mail-order business all operating under "Project Warrior" which helped legitimize that Warrior meant more than just a muscled guy in the squared circle.

[angelus777]

Hey this is a Wrestlemania fantasy match.

Fatal 4 way match
RAW Heavyweight champ Randy Orton vs WWE Champ Undertaker vs Royal

Rumble winner Shawn Michaels vs SD No.1 Conteder John Cena.

Special guest ref , Bischoff and Long. One person would have both titles.

[Metamorpho1977]

Anybody here have WWE 24/7, is it really every ep of raw and smackdown, or just highlights?

don't know, but here's the website.
http://www.wwe24-7.com/

[kakashi]

Just watched the warrior speech at the UCONN. I have to say he handled himself pretty well despite the hostility .

Damn...that guy looked different now.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/morbius/bscap014.jpg

[brainchild81]

Hey this is a Wrestlemania fantasy match.

Fatal 4 way match
RAW Heavyweight champ Randy Orton vs WWE Champ Undertaker vs Royal

Rumble winner Shawn Michaels vs SD No.1 Conteder John Cena.

Special guest ref , Bischoff and Long. One person would have both titles.I think UT should be left out. He needs to retire. Randy & Cena are being pushed too hard and @ the expense of too many that are better. Talented but both aren't ready to be a big stars yet. Cena has one of the weakest finishers ever. Shawn's still got it, although his best days are clearly behind him.

[0neDisturbedSOB]

Just watched the warrior speech at the UCONN. I have to say he handled himself pretty well despite the hostility .

Damn...that guy looked different now.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/morbius/bscap014.jpg

WOW Warrior hit the wall hard. He looks like he just woke up from a nap.

[Weadazoid]

Rampant steroid abuse doesn't do anything to keep you young and healthy looking. He is a weird guy, didn't he legally change his name to Ultimate Warrior.

The 80's

Ever read Pure Dynamite? That one will have you spinnin, it's the bio of the Dynamite Kid.

[kakashi]

^^ You're right.I remember a huge steroids scandal on the WWF during the 80's.

[Weadazoid]

Yeah that was about the time Hulk Hogan was sequestered as witness when an Undercover cop was somehow invovled with one of the WWE trainers, but that tiral went down in the early 90's I think


By Dynamties accounts he did every drug possible, even came out on halucinogens (LSD) at times


Back in the 80's the Lockerooms in the back were littered with needles, by most accounts.

Razor Ramone/Scott Hall tells stories of how he and the 123 kid/Xpac were doing serious lines of cocain in the backstage area just before they went out to hit thier promo's


Go back and look at Flairs old Promos tell me his nose wasn't in the powder 5 minutes before going out to talk. you can try I am gonna laugh at you rummor has it the whole

"WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!"

thing started after he did nice fat line

Look at Stings pupils when he used to paint his face they are so black (overdialated) it's scary at times



Superstar Graham and Jesse the Body were the ones that realy started what most reffered to as the chemical age (late 70's all through the 80's)


Go watch Beyond the Matt you get to see Jake the Snake smoke crack yo...I aint lying, and talk his life on the road, weird sexual crap.

[John Constantine]

I've always heard about rampant drug use in the WWF even during the 90s. Hell, there was even a rumor that back in the mid 90s, the only wrestlers not using drugs were Bret Hart and Bob Backlund.

HBK, Marty Jannetty and Ted Dibiase are all recovering drug addicts as well I hear.....

[kakashi]

That whole segment on Jake the snake on beyond the mat was so sad.How he goes from performing in the biggest wrestlling stage in the world to wrestling in some mall...and hearing him talked about his relationship with his daughter...man...that's just sad.

And if i remembered correctly, at one point he even asked the film makers if they were going to provide him with some drugs or he won't show.

sad.

I didn't remembered much about the WWf drug scandals in the 90's except that Vince claimed that it wasn't illegal to use steroids at that time.I also remembered Hogan testified that Vince helped him to get in contacts to people who sells steroids.

I think that Foley mentioned the drug scandal in his book too,how it was very rampant at the time and wrestlers injected and using drugs in plain sight.

And wasn't Vince was found innocent at the end of the trial too?

[Donnie Darko]

All this talk of Jake the Snake, Bret Hart, and other wrestling legends has me thinking of a personal hero of mine. A true icon. A legend in our business...






http://slam.canoe.ca/WrestlingImagesS/smiley_norman2.jpg
http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pictures/n/normansmiley/19.jpg
http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pictures/n/normansmiley/03.jpg

[Weadazoid]

egads man, please get smilin Norman off my screen

The big wiggle realy realy was a disturbing low point for wrestling and the psudo homosexual play.

I mean realy I could do without him, Billy and Chuck, Lenny and Lody,

[Donnie Darko]

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pictures/l/lennylodi/09.jpg

sorry

[Donnie Darko]

I actually really liked Norman Smiley. Lenny and Lodi was just a cheap answer to Chuck and Billy if I remember correctly (or was it the other way around?)

[The Techno Bat]

I actually really liked Norman Smiley. Lenny and Lodi was just a cheap answer to Chuck and Billy if I remember correctly (or was it the other way around?)

Lenny and Lodi came first and they RULED!

[The Techno Bat]

Yeah that was about the time Hulk Hogan was sequestered as witness when an Undercover cop was somehow invovled with one of the WWE trainers, but that tiral went down in the early 90's I think


By Dynamties accounts he did every drug possible, even came out on halucinogens (LSD) at times


Back in the 80's the Lockerooms in the back were littered with needles, by most accounts.

Razor Ramone/Scott Hall tells stories of how he and the 123 kid/Xpac were doing serious lines of cocain in the backstage area just before they went out to hit thier promo's


Go back and look at Flairs old Promos tell me his nose wasn't in the powder 5 minutes before going out to talk. you can try I am gonna laugh at you rummor has it the whole

"WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!"

thing started after he did nice fat line

Look at Stings pupils when he used to paint his face they are so black (overdialated) it's scary at times



Superstar Graham and Jesse the Body were the ones that realy started what most reffered to as the chemical age (late 70's all through the 80's)


Go watch Beyond the Matt you get to see Jake the Snake smoke crack yo...I aint lying, and talk his life on the road, weird sexual crap.

I don't think Ric Flair did Cocaine. He had to be at the top of his game and carried the NWA/WCW company for many years, and I don't think that the NWA/WCW would cover something like that up or allow him to go about doing something like that with so much money riding on the line

[The Techno Bat]

Just watched the warrior speech at the UCONN. I have to say he handled himself pretty well despite the hostility .

Damn...that guy looked different now.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v610/morbius/bscap014.jpg

Is there an address/link to view that speech anywhere on the web? That is something I would like to check out.

[Weadazoid]

I don't think Ric Flair did Cocaine. He had to be at the top of his game and carried the NWA/WCW company for many years, and I don't think that the NWA/WCW would cover something like that up or allow him to go about doing something like that with so much money riding on the line


What????

Back then do you have any idea how rampant Coke was? how exceptable it was for anyone in 'entertainment?'

Go back and watch some of those old promos, Flair could do whatever he wanted.

when he Talked about kiss stealin, limo rideing all nighters he wasn't always making that stuff up.

I don't think he ever got into Roids in a bad way, and I think he kept himself under control, but if you are saying Flair never had coke in his bloodstream you're outa yer mind.

Do you think Robin Williams didn't indulge? he just knew when enough as enough, seeing Belushi falter helped him and others, but hey man everyone was into it back then

[Dr. Manhatten]

Now that I think of it, the picture of Warrior up above at the college thing is the first time I've ever seen him without the makeup on. He looks like a hit-the-bricks Billy Bob Thorton

[The Sage]

THAT SON OF A ***** IS GONNA CHANGE THE DAMN WWE TITLE!:mad:

Hey, Austin did it. :p

[John Constantine]

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pictures/l/lennylodi/09.jpg

sorry

hahahaha....the West Hollywood Blondes :D

It's too bad the team got shelved due to complaints from people though :mad:

And it's too bad the two couldn't really find another gimmick after they had to abandon that one :(

[John Constantine]

Hey, Austin did it. :p

True, but Austin didn't go out there and say that the people that didn't like his smoking skull belt suck :o

[kakashi]

Techno bat...you can download the warrior speech from torrent sites.

The smoking skull belt...yeah i remembered that belt.THE best looking championship belt ever.

[Go Web Go!]

It's been a really long time since I've watched a WWE show in its entirety. It just doesn't grab me the way it used to, and I doubt it will anytime soon seeing how John Cena is now champion. I just find the guy annoying and thought he was better off in a heel role. Batista, on the other hand, does interest me. I've been following him ever since his days in OVW and seeing him in RAW's top spot should be a good change of pace. Hell, they could have given the World title to Simon Dean and it would have been a good change of pace aslong as the gold stays away from Triple H.

[3dman27]

welcome back gwg i've missed having you around

[Go Web Go!]

Hey, thanks. Good to be back, my friend. :)

[3dman27]

your welcome

[Donnie Darko]

some more guys I really miss having around WCW/WWE (but I'm sure some of you will disagree)...
http://www.gerweck.net/ernestmiller.jpg
http://www.mickeynews.homestead.com/files/kanyon.jpg

[Metamorpho1977]

Bring Back Kronic!!!

[Weadazoid]

One guy was OK, the fake Under Taker guy.

[PyroChamber]

Techno bat...you can download the warrior speech from torrent sites.

The smoking skull belt...yeah i remembered that belt.THE best looking championship belt ever.Was there a specially designed Championship belt for the Rock? I remember looking in the WWE magazines and in the ads for replica championship belts, there was one called the Brahma Bull Championship belt.

Was there a real belt like that that just was never used or was it just something they made just for fans to have?

[John Constantine]

some more guys I really miss having around WCW/WWE (but I'm sure some of you will disagree)...
http://www.gerweck.net/ernestmiller.jpg
http://www.mickeynews.homestead.com/files/kanyon.jpg

Kanyon was a pretty damn cool wrestler. It's just too bad he never panned out in the WWE. It would be interesting to see him wrestle one or two matches in TNA though, maybe team him back up with DDP again.....

[Donnie Darko]

I have just one question for ya...

WHO'S BETTER THAN KANYON?!

[Go Web Go!]

Yeah. I would have liked to have seen Kanyon get somewhere in the WWE, but after his injury he just wasn't the same. The sae can be said for Rhyno. He was on his way up before his injury and when he returned he was a regular on Heat. Now he's been released and no more Rhyno. I wonder if they would bring him back for that ECW reunion show that I've read about.

[Sabretooth]

Rhyno was actually okay on Smackdown.But then they had to draft him to Raw.:(


Oh and this may be old,but the ECW reunion is on June 12 I believe.:o

[Donnie Darko]

what about the other one that Shane Douglas is putting together?