Wrestling

[Go Web Go!]

The Rock appearing out of nowhere to attack Michaels would'nt make sense. That's why he'll be teaming with Foley at WrestleMania. Because in his last appearance, he showed that he was on good terms with Foley and even said something about reforming The Rock & Sock Connection. I'm not too fond of the idea. I'd prefer a singles match with Foley and Orton, but whatever...The only thing I really care about is the return of The Undertaker. :D

[The Ghoul]

Damn straight! I didn't like the biker angle. I always loved his deadman style.

[Go Web Go!]

I read he might return the SmackDown before WrestleMania. Does'nt make any sense to me, but the sooner the better. Although it would be smart to keep him from returning until WrestleMania. That way more people would order the PPV, ;)

[Go Web Go!]

I don't think we have to worry about him retiring. His time's winding down, yeah, but he has a few years left in him. ;)

[3dman27]

long live the claassic dead man

REST...IN...PEACE

[Keyser Soze]

If you think The Rock attacking Michaels tohelp Benoit doesn't make any sense, then have a segment between Rock and HBK beforehand, where the two argue or something, although I think this would lessen the impact of The Rock's entrance in the Benoit/HBK match. This is really just wishful thinking on my part. What the hell, I guess a Triple threat match could be good. I just hope Benoit wins.

[Go Web Go!]

He will. If he does'nt there's going to be major backlash from the fans.

[Keyser Soze]

I'm looking forward to Kane VS Undertaker, but I'm looking forward to Eddie Guerrero VS Kurt Angle, Brock Lesnar VS Goldberg and I guess the Triple THreat main event of Benoit VS HHH VS Shawn Michaels, mainly because I want to see Benoit win.

[The Ghoul]

I love Benoit, but to me I hae only 3 ledgends I look up to (mind you I am only 16 so it would be stupid for me to go into the real ledgends but I love watching older matches as well) are Undertaker, Mick Foley, & Shawn Michaels so I am going for all of them to win their said matches.

[The Ghoul]

I love Benoit, but to me I hae only 3 ledgends I look up to (mind you I am only 16 so it would be stupid for me to go into the real ledgends but I love watching older matches as well) are Undertaker, Mick Foley, & Shawn Michaels so I am going for all of them to win their said matches.

[Go Web Go!]

Originally posted by Keyser Kingpin
I'm looking forward to Kane VS Undertaker, but I'm looking forward to Eddie Guerrero VS Kurt Angle, Brock Lesnar VS Goldberg and I guess the Triple THreat main event of Benoit VS HHH VS Shawn Michaels, mainly because I want to see Benoit win.

That's basically all there is to look foward to on the card. A Cruiserweight Battle Royal would be good, but then again, it's the WWE and they don't know how the hell to handle a match like that. :mad:

[3dman27]

too bad the wwe cant have an all divas matches ppv or CAN they?

[Go Web Go!]

Why would you want that? No one would watch...

[Vapor]

The problem is Vince gets boners over 'big men' so you got no talent (or very little talent) guys like A-Train, Big Show, Holly and Test running about with weekly spots. Although, I'd keep Big Show because he's good for putting guys over and comical spots.

Then you have guys like O'Haire (who has been ruined now), Kanyon (but he's been released now), Ultimo Dragon, Shannon Moore, Billy Gunn who isn't been used very well, Bill DeMott, Rhyno, Funaki working on Velocity or not been used at all. They'll probably screw Edge's return up... I heard HHH wants to drop the title to Benoit and then work a program with Edge.

I still watch it but I've pretty much lost all interest... The only thing I really do watch it for is Jericho, Cena, what little cruiserweight action there is and Takers return.

[3dman27]

Originally posted by Go Web Go!
Why would you want that? No one would watch... i guess its the catfight aficianado in me that and always liked amazon movies on tv growing up plus the ladies AREeasier on the eyes than say hhh

[BlackSymbiote]

Originally posted by 3dman27
i guess its the catfight aficianado in me that and always liked amazon movies on tv growing up plus the ladies AREeasier on the eyes than say hhh

Go buy Joshi puroresu tapes from rfvideo or highspots. That's Japanese women wrestling. They wrestle. Vince has managed to convince everyone that women's wrestling is a joke.

I watched a women's match in Japan that had exploding barbwire ropes. I watched a women's match in Japan that involved a women blading (cutting her forehead to bleed) worse than Undertaker in the HIAC with Lensar.

I'd like to see Trish Stratus with a crimson mask, or Lita go one on one with Molly in a barbwire match. Heck, I'd like to just see a five star women's match.

[Keyser Soze]

I remember in the dying days of WCW, the woman's matches were of a quality which actually surpassed the pathetic main events.

I hope that rumour about a program with Edge is true. At least that would mean Triple H could drop the belt for a while. But that will deprive Smackdown of yet another top guy. Smackdown's roster is starting to get a bit thin on the ground. Have a look at the respective list of people who could be considered world title contenders:

RAW STARS
Triple H
Goldberg
Chris Benoit
Chris Jericho
Shawn Michaels
Randy Orton
Kane
Rob Van Dam
Booker T
(possibly) Edge

SMACKDOWN
Brock Lesnar
Kurt Angle
John Cena
Eddie Guerrero
Big Show
Undertaker

Some Raw guys should be moved over to Smackdown. I'm not sure who though. If they move a heel it shouldn't be Kane. There's already too many "monster" heels on Smackdown. As for faces, possibly Rob Van Dam, as he could have a good program with Brock or a heel Eddie Guerrero, or maybe put Booker T on Smackdown as a heel. Booker T should be a heel on Smackdown because I could see him working well with Angle or Cena. Or perhaps they should just push some of their current talent, like Rhyno.

[[Faustinas]]

Randy Savage has a rap record *frightened shudder*

He sounds like someone shoved a cheese grater down his throat and he's about to bust an artery :eek:

[Keyser Soze]

LOL! That was an entertaining interlude from our discussion...

What do you guys think of TNA? Its strange, they have great talent (AJ Styles, Christopher Daniels, Raven, Low Ki, CM Punk) but they seem to be a company that is permanently on the verge of greatness rather than actually being great. They seem to have a habit of dangling potentially great angles and feuds in our faces, then failing to deliver.

For example, remember back when Christophre Daniels came out and attacked Jeff Jarrett? I thought that Daniels was finally entering the main event picture, but the feud was quickly ended wiht a straightforward Jarrett victory and Daniels was sent back to the X-Division. I personally would have liked him to stay in a high position on the card and entered a feud with AJ Styles. Styles could have been great in a feud with Daniels, rather than floundering in a program with Abyss.

[Shifty]

HBK should go to Smackdown. Turn heel or something. Kinda stale. HBK vs Cena, Eddie and maybe Undertaker to finish his career.

[Go Web Go!]

Yeah. I'd like to see another Undertaker/Michaels feud before they retire. Would bring back memories.

[Go Web Go!]

I did'nt think much about SmackDown last night. I've felt that way about that show lately. The only thing that entertained me was the Lesnar/Mariachi segment.

[Kyle Katarn]

Apparently the Deadman is coming back to Smackdown, so I guess I'll start watching it then....! :cool:

[Go Web Go!]

Well, Kane's on RAW, but if the promo they showed this past Monday isn't lying, Undertaker can just show up at WrestleMania without having to make a jump to another show.

[Kyle Katarn]

Yeah, which is good....but I want a FUED, not just 1 match... :(

[Go Web Go!]

I think there'll be just 1 match for now. Undertaker will beat Kane and Kane will disappear for a few months. That's what I think. Maybe not.

[3dman27]

Originally posted by BlackSymbiote


I'd like to see Trish Stratus with a crimson mask, or Lita go one on one with Molly in a barbwire match. Heck, I'd like to just see a five star women's match. now this is more like it

[BlackSymbiote]

Originally posted by 3dman27
now this is more like it

Wouldn't it?

Unfortunately the WWE is also bound by the fact that they are in the United States, and if Trish bled, or Lita and Molly actually wrestled with barbwire ropes, those women's groups would start screaming.

Man, wouldn't I love to show them that exploding barbwire ropes match from Japan and slow mo all of the barbwire spots and bleeding backs.

What kind of a person wrestles her retirement match in an exploding barbwire ropes match?

[3dman27]

Originally posted by BlackSymbiote
Wouldn't it?

Unfortunately the WWE is also bound by the fact that they are in the United States, and if Trish bled, or Lita and Molly actually wrestled with barbwire ropes, those women's groups would start screaming.

Man, wouldn't I love to show them that exploding barbwire ropes match from Japan and slow mo all of the barbwire spots and bleeding backs.

What kind of a person wrestles her retirement match in an exploding barbwire ropes match? which of the divas is retiring?

[Go Web Go!]

^ No one. He's just saying that some of the women in Japan wrestle their last match in those types of matches. ;) ^

[BlackSymbiote]

Originally posted by 3dman27
which of the divas is retiring?

None of them. I was referring to a Japanese woman wrestler named Megumi Kudoh.

She invented a move called the Spinning Kudoh Driver, otherwise known as the Vertebreaker.

[3dman27]

ok sorry about the mixup thanks

[Abaddon]

I stopped watching wrestling when it got sucky.I advise that you guys do also.Your a=on sinking boat,are you sure you want to stay on?

[Go Web Go!]

I know it sucks. The only reason I watch is because I've been watching since I was a kid.

[3dman27]

i tape raw and smackdown and read the results at www.wwe.com the next morning if there're no matches that interest me i reuse the tape

[The Ghoul]

Originally posted by Go Web Go!
I think there'll be just 1 match for now. Undertaker will beat Kane and Kane will disappear for a few months. That's what I think. Maybe not.

I heard a rumor that after the match nothing will change, kane will still be the same as he is now. Untill test takes a leave & Stacy Kiebler forms a reletionship with Kane making him a babyface, where he will have a fued with test when he comes back from the above said "leave" & there will be one of those disasterous wedding scenes some where in October.

[spidertwit]

Originally posted by The Ghoul
I heard a rumor that after the match nothing will change, kane will still be the same as he is now. Untill test takes a leave & Stacy Kiebler forms a reletionship with Kane making him a babyface, where he will have a fued with test when he comes back from the above said "leave" & there will be one of those disasterous wedding scenes some where in October.
Not another Test wedding.

[The Ghoul]

no a Kane & stacy wedding

[Go Web Go!]

If that happens, I'll cut my veins with dental floss...

[Keyser Soze]

Kane is getting heat back as a monster heel. Turning him face will cut the balls of the character...again.

[Flame on!]

I really can't stand the fact that they advertised how many days it would be before the Undertaker turned up...whatever happened to suprises? And I'll bet Kane will look shocked when the Undertaker turns up, despite weeks of warning...

[Flame on!]

It would be if there hadn't been big promos and shots of him with his 'Dead Man' beard....and if we know about it, then how is it the surprise? The real suprise would be if they didn't balls it up...

[BlackSymbiote]

Originally posted by Abaddon
are you sure you want to stay on?

I watch NWA:TNA and buy Ring of Honor tapes. That's good wrestling right there. Ring of Honor is pure WRESTLING, and not sports entertainment (or as I call it: Vince's excuse to make wrestling suck), and NWA:TNA seems to be turning into WWE lite, with more emphasis on storylines than wrestling, but they still have better wrestlers and matches than most of the WWE.

So I'm staying on. I'm going to support RoH and NWA:TNA, because they'll only get bigger and better over time.

[Go Web Go!]

Originally posted by Flame on!
I really can't stand the fact that they advertised how many days it would be before the Undertaker turned up...whatever happened to suprises? And I'll bet Kane will look shocked when the Undertaker turns up, despite weeks of warning...

They did that so more people would order WrestleMania on PPV. I don't blame 'em. I would'nt save a big return like that for a half-assed RAW or SmackDown show...

[BlackSymbiote]

You won't get an I Quit match. Kane saying I quit would diminish his monster factor, same for Undertaker.

[Archangel]

It's so gonna be a hell in a cell match, with Kane retiring the Deadman........


Please?

[spidertwit]

No Way Out in about ten minutes. The first PPV I've watched in a long while because I didn't have the sports channels/got bored at how crap it's getting. Have now, just to get up to speed for Wrestlemania XX.

[The Ghoul]

Edit: wrong thread sorry

[Archangel]

Originally posted by The Sabretooth
Nah,I don't ever want to see 'Taker retire.

No Way Out is in a few minutes.....

The thing is, Taker has made it clear that this is gonna be his last Wrestlemania.....so his retirement is bound to be soon.

[spidertwit]

Eddie Guererro. WWE Champion?


Cool.

[spidertwit]

That he did, that he did. I think it's a good thing. And it makes sense; it frees up Lesnar to have his Wrestlemania match with Goldberg. Do you want to know who won the triple threat?

[spidertwit]

Yes. "In 28 days the dead will rise" or something.

[spidertwit]

Er, lying, cheating and stealing.

[spidertwit]

Do you want a proper answer?

[Archangel]

He reversed an F5 into a DDT onto the belt and then hit the frogsplash for the win.



Oh, and Goldberg speared Lesnar to set that all up.

[Savage]

Man did tonight ROCK! Haven't seen matches this good in a looong time. They were all top notch and had me on the edge of my seat. Especially Rey vs Chavo and Eddie vs Brock. Man those Guerros sure know how to put on a show. And Rey being in it just made it even better. Definately pumped for Wrestlmania now.:cool: :up:

[3dman27]

eddie guererro wwe champion? VIVA LA RAZA

[Dark Carnage]

Last night was the first time in a looooooooooooong time that I have watched wrestling and actually "paid attention" (By which I mean I watched it without being on the computer and just watching out the corner of my eye).

And now I think wrestling has totally lost it's grip with me. I just don't care anymore.

But while I'm talking about it. Nidia has had a nose job right? I mean I think I can see a difference but I'm not sure exactly what it is.

And when did her chest get that big!:eek:

[Keyser Soze]

WWE needs to hire "The Fallen Angel" Christopher Daniels. But when they hire him they should use him, not waste him like they waste some of hteir indy talent.

[3dman27]

never heard of him how good is he?

[Keyser Soze]

Goodie, goodie, I get to talk about my favourite wrestler.

Right, Christopher Daniels is a wrestling veteran, who has been working as a wrestler for 11 years now. He is considered by many to be the best Independant wrestler around today, and is probably the biggest name in American wrestling never to have made it in one of the Big Three (WWE, WCW, ECW).

Christopher Daniels has two successful careers: one in America, one in Japan. In America, he is known as "The Fallen Angel" Christopher Daniels. His gimmick is that he is an evil preacher. He comes down to the ring in priest's robes and a hood, but he also wears shades and has his head shaved bald, so he looks pretty cool. In Japan he wrestles under a mask and is known as Curry Man, based on an extremely popular Japanese anime character.

In terms of wrestling ability, I'd say he's one of the best there is. He is a master of ring psychology, and in my opinion his technical wrestling ability is only bettered by Chris Benoit. He is also an able high-flyer, with arguably the best moonsault in the business.

Right now he works in indies around the country, but mainly in NWA TNA and Ring Of Honor. In TNA, he was a member of the faction Triple X along with Low Ki and Elix Skipper, a group that held the tag team titles. After that group broke up, he entered into a feud with Jeff Jarrett, and made full use of his "Fallen Angel" gimmick, preaching sermons from the crowd. He now wrestles in the X-Division.

In Ring Of Honor, he is a key player, arguably the top heel (or bad guy) in the promotion. He has been in Ring Of Honor since its very first show two years ago. Ring Of Honor is based on a Code Of Honor, where wrestlers must shake hands before and after their matches, and are not allowed to cheat or have other people interfere in their matches. Christopher Daniels is the only wrestler who ignores this Code Of Honor, refusing to shake hands, and showing no respect for his opponents. He founded a stable called The Prophecy, a group determined to undermine the Code Of Honor. At one point, this stable held all the titles in ROH. Now, Daniels seems poised to turn face in ROH, as he has begun a feud with CM Punk, Daniels' rival for the position of number one heel in the promotion.

For more information on "The Fallen Angel" Christopher Daniels, go to www.christopherdaniels.com in the near future. It's under construction right now, but there's a cool teaser image of Daniels on the main page to look at. While you wait for that page to open up, you could go to www.nwatna.com, which has a profile of Daniels.

How's that for starters?

[GLfan]

I pumped for Wrestlemania, can't wait for UT to return and see Eddie defend his title. I hope he keeps it for awhile, I'm tired of seeing the same people winning the belt over and over.

[3dman27]

Originally posted by Keyser Kingpin
Goodie, goodie, I get to talk about my favourite wrestler.

Right, Christopher Daniels is a wrestling veteran, who has been working as a wrestler for 11 years now. He is considered by many to be the best Independant wrestler around today, and is probably the biggest name in American wrestling never to have made it in one of the Big Three (WWE, WCW, ECW).

Christopher Daniels has two successful careers: one in America, one in Japan. In America, he is known as "The Fallen Angel" Christopher Daniels. His gimmick is that he is an evil preacher. He comes down to the ring in priest's robes and a hood, but he also wears shades and has his head shaved bald, so he looks pretty cool. In Japan he wrestles under a mask and is known as Curry Man, based on an extremely popular Japanese anime character.

In terms of wrestling ability, I'd say he's one of the best there is. He is a master of ring psychology, and in my opinion his technical wrestling ability is only bettered by Chris Benoit. He is also an able high-flyer, with arguably the best moonsault in the business.

Right now he works in indies around the country, but mainly in NWA TNA and Ring Of Honor. In TNA, he was a member of the faction Triple X along with Low Ki and Elix Skipper, a group that held the tag team titles. After that group broke up, he entered into a feud with Jeff Jarrett, and made full use of his "Fallen Angel" gimmick, preaching sermons from the crowd. He now wrestles in the X-Division.

In Ring Of Honor, he is a key player, arguably the top heel (or bad guy) in the promotion. He has been in Ring Of Honor since its very first show two years ago. Ring Of Honor is based on a Code Of Honor, where wrestlers must shake hands before and after their matches, and are not allowed to cheat or have other people interfere in their matches. Christopher Daniels is the only wrestler who ignores this Code Of Honor, refusing to shake hands, and showing no respect for his opponents. He founded a stable called The Prophecy, a group determined to undermine the Code Of Honor. At one point, this stable held all the titles in ROH. Now, Daniels seems poised to turn face in ROH, as he has begun a feud with CM Punk, Daniels' rival for the position of number one heel in the promotion.

For more information on "The Fallen Angel" Christopher Daniels, go to www.christopherdaniels.com in the near future. It's under construction right now, but there's a cool teaser image of Daniels on the main page to look at. While you wait for that page to open up, you could go to www.nwatna.com, which has a profile of Daniels.

How's that for starters? thank you keyser but as you' might notice from my posts i generally prefer lady wrestlers does ring of honor have any?

[BlackSymbiote]

Originally posted by 3dman27
thank you keyser but as you' might notice from my posts i generally prefer lady wrestlers does ring of honor have any?

They DID. One of them was snatched up by the WWE and will be turned into a complete joke. Believe it or not she actually had a FIVE star match in Ring of Honor.

They have a women's match every now and then.

But NO, WWE does not need Daniels. Vince wouldn't see Daniels talent, he'd just see his size and throw him on Velocity to job to the FBI. Look at what he did to Spanky and London.

[Vapor]

Christopher Daniels is also an actor... Well he took film studies or something of that sort at College, I beleive...

He has also wrestled in the WWE before... He was one of the Conquistadors once... dunno which one though.

And if I remember correctly, I read a report that said Daniels was no longer interested in WWE. He's tried in the past to get a contract but now he isn't bothered for one.

But it's true, if WWE did hire Daniels he would most likely be wasted jobbing to someone like the FBI or A-Train... Vince does not know how to use talent well, he only sees people for their size...

Like BlackSymbiote said, look at Spanky (who has now been released) and Paul London... also look at Ultimo Dragon, Chris Kanyon (who has also been released) and Sean O'Haire.

Chris Kanyon and Sean O'Haire would both make 10 x better heels than A-Train and Big Show and they also have more talent in their little fingers than the Train and Show do...

Hey, I'm not telling you anything you didn't already know...

You remember that? Those promos were awesome and suited O'Haire so well...

Then Vince goes and teams him with that old-timer, Roddy Piper and ruins it for O'Haire. I bet we'll never see the Seanton Bomb again... that was a damn good move, better than Jeff Hardies Swanton.

Smackdown is suspose to be about the fast paced cruiserweight action... They have such good cruiser weights too - Tajiri, Kidman, Rey Rey, Ultimo Dragon, Jimmy Yang, Paul London, (they had Spanky), Chavo Guerrero Jr., Shannon Moore, Funaki and Nunzio... yet we are lucky to get one cruiser weight match each week. :mad:

WWE is digging it's own grave...

[BlackSymbiote]

Originally posted by Vapor
Christopher Daniels is also an actor... Well he took film studies or something of that sort at College, I beleive...

He was also Spider-Man during the wrestling scene in the Spider-Man movie.

Smackdown is suspose to be about the fast paced cruiserweight action... They have such good cruiser weights too - Tajiri, Kidman, Rey Rey, Ultimo Dragon, Jimmy Yang, Paul London, (they had Spanky), Chavo Guerrero Jr., Shannon Moore, Funaki and Nunzio... yet we are lucky to get one cruiser weight match each week. :mad:

I think the WWE hoped that calling it the Cruiserweight Division would bring in all of those fans from WCW. I fear for that Cruiserweightweight Battle Royal at Wrestlemania. It'll be the opener, and probably 10 minutes long, if we're lucky.

[Vapor]

Oh yeah, I think I can remember seeing him in it now...

Has anyone else heard about WWE thinking about creating an 'ECW' brand and bringing back the hardcore title?

It would be cool but they have lost a lot of the ECW guys plus WWE is too soft compared to what ECW was...

It would be a good way to give guys like Al Snow, Rhyno, Steven Richards more spotlight though...

I think, if it was to happen, it would start out with a bang but quickly crash and burn because Vince/WWE won't be able to make it work...

[Keyser Soze]

To clarify a couple of things, Christopher Daniels took Theatre at College, not Film Studies, and has stated that he was not in Spider-Man (although he wishes he was) although he was in Charlie's Angels: Full Throttle.

Yes, he was a Conquistador, but not in any matches, only for a backstage segment. Los Conquitadores were Edge and Christian, but to throw fans, at one point they appeared backstage alongside two fake Conquistadores. Daniels was one of them.

There's a few cases of indy wrestlers doing backstage stuff for WWE. For example, a few times Brock Lesnar was required to be in the middle of a conversation with a friend when he is interrupted by a wrestler. THe part of the friend was always played by CM Punk.

[BlackSymbiote]

Originally posted by Keyser Kingpin
To clarify a couple of things, Christopher Daniels took Theatre at College, not Film Studies, and has stated that he was not in Spider-Man (although he wishes he was) although he was in Charlie's Angels: Full Throttle.

No wonder he wishes he was in Spider-Man. Poor Daniels.

I thought he was. I guess that was another Chris Daniels in the credits. I could've sworn he was the stunt man during the wrestling scene.

Ah well. At least I'm right about Trinity from TNA being Jennifer Garner's stunt double in Daredevil.

[Keyser Soze]

Apparently, several members of the Raw roster are demanding for Chris Benoit to be pushed better. They are calling Triple H, Shawn Michaels and Stephanie McMahon the New Clique.

[Vapor]

Hey it's Zakthedog, long time no see... no wonder, ya changed ya name.

Triple H is a big headed ass now... I heard that after Mania he wants to drop out of the title run to work a program with the returning Edge.

If it's true, that's another good wrestler gone from SD and I think a HHH/Edge fued would have been good, a year or so ago, when Trips was still a decent wrestler... I think it will do some godo stuff for Edge's career but I don't think it will be a great fued.

[Keyser Soze]

I'm just glad that it will finally put Triple H out of the title picture. Remember way back when Triple H defeated Kane to become the first ever World Champion, the new Raw World Title going up against Smackdown's WWE Heavyweight Title?

Well, since he won that belt, think about this. There hasn't been one PPV with a World Title match since then where Triple H hasn't been involved in the match, either defending it or winning it off of someone he lost it to a month or so earlier.

Having Chris Benoit VS Shawn Michaels for the World Title and Triple H VS Edge at Backlash would finally have Triple H removed from the World Title picture. Let Chris Benoit defend the title against Kane or Randy Orton at Bad Blood while Triple H fights Chris Jericho or something. Then have Chris Benoit take on Triple H at Summerslam.

[Keyser Soze]

Oh, and its nice to see SOMEBODY recognized me Vapor.

[Go Web Go!]

I hope Triple H tears his quad again, :o

[0neDisturbedSOB]

The all time best wrestling storyline EVER was Austin VS McMahon. That storyline singlehandedly changed the way wrestling storylines were done, and helped WWF to kick WCW's ass.

As a long time fan I still watch it every week, but it's just not the same....Austin doesn't wrestle, The Rock has gone hollywood, Foley has retired....etc. Wrestling was at it's peak during the mid to late 90's....ever since the roster split things went down the crapper.

[WildChild]

Originally posted by Go Web Go!
I hope Triple H tears his quad again, :o
I also pray for him to be Injured.

[Bullseye28]

I don't watch wrestling as much as I used to. I get kind of sick of triple h having the title all the time. He even gets to choose if he wins or loses and what he gets to say because he is a writer.

[Go Web Go!]

So just watch SmackDown, ;)

[3dman27]

or maybe you should do what i do tape the shows then check the results pagethe next morning for the show you've taped if none of the matches interest you reuse the tape

[Vapor]

I'm hoping for a Jericho v. Benoit Title fued after WM20... Maybe add Edge into it too to make a 3 way...

Then Matt Hardy and Christian should fued over the Inter. Title...

And HHH should just be sidelined...

And on SD... I'm hoping the Cruiserweights will get a lot more spotlight and Sean O'Haire will get a push... maybe if Edge stays on SD, fued with Sean O'Haire, if not O'Haire should fued with Cena...

[GLfan]

A Jericho/Benoit fued would be great to see.

[Go Web Go!]

Originally posted by GLfan
A Jericho/Benoit fued would be great to see.

Yeah, but that's pretty unlikely seeing as Jercho just turned face and Benoit is the top face on RAW right now.

[Keyser Soze]

I'm hoping for a Benoit/Michaels feud leading up to Backlash.

[Go Web Go!]

Originally posted by The Sabretooth
What about The Undertaker things on RAW?:p

I usually catch those segments online or by watching the BottomLine. I don't have SpikeTV, :(

But that's ok since The Undertaker's going to stay on SmackDown once he returns, ;)

[3dman27]

maybe kanes moving to smackdown, otherwise this bits of him being haunted by the dead man wouldn't make any sense if they are going to be on sepeate shows

[BlackSymbiote]

Originally posted by 3dman27
maybe kanes moving to smackdown, otherwise this bits of him being haunted by the dead man wouldn't make any sense if they are going to be on sepeate shows

This IS the WWE you're talking about.

Seriously, this is the same WWE who put The Rock and Hogan on Smackdown while they and Kane were feuding with the nWo, almost single handedly destroying the entire nWo angle in the process.

Then they had them feud with Austin, and well, he just kills everyone's heat and ruins angles anyway.

[Go Web Go!]

It could still make sense with both of them being on seperate shows. They're going along with the feud each week, just not physically like you'd usually see. It's all mind games and they'll continue until WrestleMania when the actual match happens. But hey, maybe they will move Kane to SD! I doubt it since he's a "monster heel" and we already have a few of those over on SmackDown, ;)

[3dman27]

all in all i'd still rather see womens matches say here's question for wrestling fans how do you think your favorite grappler male or female would do in a BOXING MATCH? for example rvd vs jericho or molly vs victoria

[Vapor]

In a boxing match? Jericho would beat RVD for sure... I think Taker, Lesnar n Gold***** would be the top boxers out of the roster...

As for Taker vs. Kane... I don't think they'll have a fued... I think it's just gonna be one big special match at Mania...

[3dman27]

i understand rvd is a former kickboxer so he and jericho might be a little more evenly matched

[Vapor]

yeah maybe... But I heard he chcoked Goldberg out backstage once... plus he just strikes me as someone who would be more fierce and savage in a fight...

[Savage]

In a boxing match? Taker can take all of them. Guy really does more boxing in the ring than wrestling, and when he does wrestle, you're gonna be feeling it for a week at least. Man, guy just goes ballistic once he gets you in a corner.

I think Jericho would beat RVD in a boxing match cause even though both have experience in the martial arts, RVD is more of a leg fighter while Jericho is more well rounded, using everything. Not to mention he's more fierce.

[Vapor]

Hey, how do you guys think the card for WM20 is shaping up so far?

HHH vs. Benoit vs. HBK
Lesnar vs. Goldberg
Angle vs. Eddie Guererro
possibly Kane vs. Taker

I don't think there's been any more named or hinted at?

I think it's ok... Angle vs. Eddie will probably be the highlight of the night while Lesnar/Goldberg should be pretty interesting to see how their styles clash and also who will win - cos they can't really make either look weak cos they are both meant to be monsters.

HHH/Benoit/HBK should be ok... HHH can still put on an ok match when he wants to but I am hoping the rumours are true that he wants to drop the title to work a non-title program.

and as for Kane vs. Taker... This will be another high point of the night with the return of the Phenom... I'm hoping it will be an Inferno or Casket Match...

I'm thinking Cena might get added into the Angle/Eddie match... just so long as there isn't another Cena/Big Show or Cena/A-Train match...

[Keyser Soze]

It'll be Cena VS Big Show for the US Title to finally blow off that long-running feud.

[Bullseye28]

What about another inferno match.

[The Ghoul]

Bring back the casket match!

[Bullseye28]

That is why I put how about another inferno match. I know they had one before. Kane's hand got caught on fire.

[Go Web Go!]

They had a 2nd Inferno match on RAW a few months after the first one. Kane ended up on the losing end of that one too, ;)

[Go Web Go!]

I would'nt count on it. What does that match that took place over 4 years ago have to do with their feud now? They've had many matches since then and they've gone both ways.

[3dman27]

wo do you think or HOPE will get his "a" kicked tonight bisch or macmahon? me i hope they both get what they deserve

[Go Web Go!]

Looks like it was Austin that got whooped tonight, ;)

[0neDisturbedSOB]

HHH will win at WM20 only to drop the title to Benoit at Backlash....it's in Canada so it only makes sense. This of course means that Angle will beat Eddie...it would be totally lame to see both champions retain their titles.

Randy Orton is going to have to drop his IC title so it can be defended since he's going to be in a tag match.

Kinda sucks that Goldberg is going to lose to Lesnar

[The Hill]

So....what are your thoughts on this so called Playboy evening gound match?

[Keyser Soze]

Benoti better win Wrestlemania's main event. This Wrestlemania XX damn it! You have to end it with the face coming out victorious. I don't want Wrestlemania to be used as a forum to build up Backlash, I want it to be a satisfactory conclusion, so we can start with something new for Backlash.

[Go Web Go!]

Why would Angle beat Eddie? By the time WM comes around Eddie would have had the belt for a little less than a month. If the WWE belt keeps on changing hands it won't have much credibility.

[0neDisturbedSOB]

Because if Benoit wins the title at Backlash (which makes sense since it's in Canada) it would be REALLY lame to watch BOTH WWE champions retain their titles. Cena is pretty much a lock to win the US title. I want Benoit to win at WMXX too, but I think they'll more than likely set it up for him to win infront of his home crowd.

If Angle beats Eddie at WMXX it would strengthen their feud, and lead them through the next 1-2 Smackdown! PPVS. Think of it this way...

Eddie beats Brock for title, Angle turns against Eddie leading into WM, Eddie beats Angle....whoopdie doo, that's over.

or

Eddie beats Brock for title, Angle turns against Eddie leading into WM, Angle screws Eddie for title, Eddie gets his rematch clause at the next Smackdown PPV...feud continues.

Make sense?

[Go Web Go!]

Ok, YOU think it's lame to see both Champions retain, but does that really matter? Are things going to change because you think that way? Not really. It would be better off if Eddie retained rather than seeing Angle beat him because then the feud would continue and eventually drag on and on like the Triple H/Shawn Michaels feud is doing now...

[0neDisturbedSOB]

God calm down, it's an opinion. I've been watching Wrestling for a LONG time, and I hate to break it to you but it's totally scripted, and not really that hard to predict at times.

Guess what....remember when Foley said that he couldn't believe there was no one in the back that wanted to come out and help him?? that means The Rock is coming back next week to set up their tag match against Evolution.

You don't need to take things so seriously, especially wrestling.

[Go Web Go!]

I'm not taking anything seriously, trust me. I'm just speaking my mind, ;)

[Savage]

Originally posted by 0neDisturbedSOB
God calm down, it's an opinion. I've been watching Wrestling for a LONG time, and I hate to break it to you but it's totally scripted, and not really that hard to predict at times.

Guess what....remember when Foley said that he couldn't believe there was no one in the back that wanted to come out and help him?? that means The Rock is coming back next week to set up their tag match against Evolution.

You don't need to take things so seriously, especially wrestling. He's just saying that just because you think both shouldn't retain their titles because you think it's lame, doesn't mean it's going to happen. I mean how many of us would have wanted HHH to just drop the title already a long time ago?

[0neDisturbedSOB]

I understand that, thanks.

I would personally like Benoit to beat HHH at WM, I just don't think it's going to happen until Backlash.

[Go Web Go!]

I think it would mean more to him winning it infront of his hometown and his family. Kind of like Angle did a few years back...

[0neDisturbedSOB]

That's what I'm trying to say....most people want him to win at WM, but it's more likely that he'll win at Backlash infront of his hometown.

I hope Austin kicks Lesnar's ass after he F5'd him last week on RAW.

[Go Web Go!]

Ah, to hell with Austin. He's just another one of those wrestlers who have worn out their welcome. That's what I think anyway...

[0neDisturbedSOB]

Ok this is where we disagree....Austin is responsible for reinventing wrestling in the 90's. He's also the one that's responsible for breaking WCW's 83 in a row ass beating when Nitro was killing RAW.

The Austin VS McMahon angle will go down as one of, if not THE single most popular storyline in wrestling history....name another one that even comes close. Brock VS Goldberg? no way, Eddie VS Kurt...yeah right, Rock VS Hogan...uh no Rock is hardly a legend.

Austin is the man, plain and simple.

[The Ghoul]

That storyline was only good beacuse, Vince Russo was still head writer. Without Russo WWE is basicly nothing. If the Writers they have now wrote the Austin Vs. McMahon story it would be just as bad as the Gowan Vs. McMahon angle.

Edit: Thanks I didn't notice I ****ed his name up untill just now.

[0neDisturbedSOB]

Vince Russo is an egotistical *******....writing it out is one thing, playing it out infront of a crowd is another.

No one can take away the fact that Austin gave the WWF a much needed kick in the ass and made it HUGE. Before that time when's the last time you saw someone go up against their boss like that?

[Go Web Go!]

Originally posted by 0neDisturbedSOB
Ok this is where we disagree....Austin is responsible for reinventing wrestling in the 90's. He's also the one that's responsible for breaking WCW's 83 in a row ass beating when Nitro was killing RAW.


I never said he was worthless. I know what he did for the business, but everything that he did is in the past. They're still trying to play him off as the bad guy that everyone likes except that there are'nt as many people buying into it as before because they're tired of seeing him around in his little shorts riding his 4 wheeler and breaking the rules.

[Vapor]

I agree with Go Web Go... The Seriff Austin thing is pretty crap too...

Austin might have revolutionised wrestling in the 90's and brought in the attitude era and everything... But like Go Web Go said, if they had the writers they have now it would have been nowhere near as good and Austin would probably have ended up like Holly (crap and nothing to do) or on WCW...

Who do you think will be the next one to get fired/released?

I think Holly should go next and will probably go next... I heard a lot of people are complaining about him because he is always grumpy and think he should get a bigger push just because of how long he has been there...

I also want them to get rid of A-Train...

[Omega Red]

I dont see why the even kept A Train, maybe cause he was George Steels son

[Vapor]

lol... Kanyon would have made a 10 times better heel than A-Train (but now he's gone) and so would Sean O'Haire... yet they choose to have them guys on Velocity or not on TV at all and have A-Train with a regular gig on SD... We all know Vince gets off over 'big men' but where's the logic in that? Kanyon and O'Haire are bigmen themselves but they are more talented than A-Train...

[3dman27]

long as the don't fire the divas i'll watch

[BlackSymbiote]

Originally posted by 0neDisturbedSOB
No one can take away the fact that Austin gave the WWF a much needed kick in the ass and made it HUGE. Before that time when's the last time you saw someone go up against their boss like that?

In ECW, about three or so years before.

[0neDisturbedSOB]

LIKE THAT? meaning in that magnitude, sure the "anti-authority" angle wasn't started by him but it sure as hell was taken to new levels by him.

[The Ghoul]

Originally posted by Vapor

But like Go Web Go said, if they had the writers they have now it would have been nowhere near as good

Accualy I said but it doesn't we both agree thats all that matters

[Vapor]

oh yeah, sorry.

[3dman27]

i noticed whilewhatching a wrestlemaniaxx ad last night that this year it starts at 7pm eastern wwe heats regular time does this mean heat will be preempted march 14 or seen at a different time?

[GLfan]

On the West Coast they don't preempt it, it's on at the same time.

[3dman27]

then let me rephrase my question since i live on the east coast will the east coast broacast of heat be preempted or shown earlier march 14th?

[Go Web Go!]

Heat's going to be on an hour before Wrestlemania, which is 6pm if you're on the East coast, ;)

[The Ghoul]

EDIT: Go Web Go said it before I did.

[3dman27]

thanks ghoul

[The Batman]

Stone Cold Stever Austin- Greatest TV wrestler EVER

[The Ghoul]

What about Ric Flair, Shawn Michaels, Mick Foley, Ricky "the dragon" Steamboat, Perry Saturn?

[Go Web Go!]

Originally posted by The Batman
Stone Cold Stever Austin- Greatest TV wrestler EVER

To hell with Stever Austin. :)

[The Ghoul]

Right now, I'm reading "Have a Nice Day" & it is one of the most fascinating books I ever read. I got it when it came out but never brought myself to read it. So I satrted earlier this week & it is great

P.S.: for those who don't know (shame on you) "Have a Nice Day" is the autobiography of Mick Foley.

[3dman27]

my vote's for the one who will kick victorias butt at 'mania MOLLY HOLLY btw is it just me or is using the heat episode before a ppv getting old i for one tune into a wrestling show for wrestling matches the recaps don't bug me so much but turning the ppv nights heat episode into an INFOMERCIAL turns me off

[BlackSymbiote]

Originally posted by The Batman
Stone Cold Stever Austin- Greatest TV wrestler EVER

What about Chris Harris, Christopher Daniels, Paul London (pre WWE), Matt Stryker, Jerry Lynn, Elix Skipper, Low Ki, Sonjay Dutt, Ruckus, Trent Acid, Super Dragon, B-Boy, and most of all, the greatest wrestler this side of the world:

AJ STYLES.

[3dman27]

Originally posted by BlackSymbiote
What about Chris Harris, Christopher Daniels, Paul London (pre WWE), Matt Stryker, Jerry Lynn, Elix Skipper, Low Ki, Sonjay Dutt, Ruckus, Trent Acid, Super Dragon, B-Boy, and most of all, the greatest wrestler this side of the world:

AJ STYLES. i think you forget that people who don't have ppv capacity[like myself] don't know about the wrestlers of T.N.A.

[Spider-Nerd]

Originally posted by The Batman
Stone Cold Stever Austin- Greatest TV wrestler EVER hart, michaels, taker, foley, benoit, jericho?

[Sava]

Originally posted by Spider-Nerd
hart, michaels, taker, foley, benoit, jericho?

The only ones from that list who come close to Austin is Taker or Hart

[Go Web Go!]

Originally posted by BlackSymbiote
What about Chris Harris, Christopher Daniels, Paul London (pre WWE), Matt Stryker, Jerry Lynn, Elix Skipper, Low Ki, Sonjay Dutt, Ruckus, Trent Acid, Super Dragon, B-Boy, and most of all, the greatest wrestler this side of the world:

AJ STYLES.

All good wrestlers, but not many people know about them or care about them just because they're not in the WWE or because they don't have a gimmick to help themselves get over.

[Mr.Webs]

Originally posted by sava
The only ones from that list who come close to Austin is Taker or Hart I don't know about that...Foley has to be one of the best,and Benoit and Jericho are amazing in the ring.

[3dman27]

Originally posted by Go Web Go!
All good wrestlers, but not many people know about them or care about them just because they're not in the WWE or because they don't have a gimmick to help themselves get over. that's correct as i said before most pople who lack ppv capacity wouldn't nessaseraly KNOW about T.N.A. or ring of honors wrestling talent so the wwe is the only game in town for them.

[3dman27]

i was reading the wrestling thread over at www.comingsoon.net and they say that the wwe is going to bring back ecw as a rebel brand after firing paul heyman as smackdown gm any comments or opinions?

[Vapor]

I heard about that too...On paper it sounds good, dunno how successful it will be. you, with it been WWE...

It would be good though cos it would wrestlers who don't normally get a lot of spotlight a chance... Or say, if you moved the Dudleys to this ECW brand then their place on RAW could be filled by Sean O'Haire or someone else from OVW or who is in his poistion...

[Go Web Go!]

If they were to bring back ECW, it would just crash and burn like it did the first time around. And the idea of airing their weekly show on Saturday nights won't exactly help the cause.

[Sava]

Originally posted by Mr.Webs
I don't know about that...Foley has to be one of the best,and Benoit and Jericho are amazing in the ring.

Yeah Foley is great

[The Ghoul]

Originally posted by Go Web Go!
If they were to bring back ECW, it would just crash and burn like it did the first time around. And the idea of airing their weekly show on Saturday nights won't exactly help the cause.

It would crash eventually, but shows like Heat & Velocity are still on the air even though no one watches them. so it would have a voice & remain on but no one would really care so in a sence it would crash but still try to pick up its pieces. which is why the wcw on wwe fell through is because it never got its own show after being bought out. Only a few matches on raw & they were all interupted by wwe stars.

[BlackSymbiote]

Originally posted by 3dman27
that's correct as i said before most pople who lack ppvcapacitywouldn't nessasaraly KNOW about T.N.A. or ring of honors wrestling talent so the wwe is the only game in town for them.

Actually, you have to buy Ring of Honor tapes from RFvideo.com, since RoH doesn't have a TV show. They just record every show and release them on video and DVD.

Or you can download the shows from the Internet, if you can find websites.

Same goes for TNA. You can download the PPVs a few days after the show airs. Or you can go to nwatna.com and use TNA on Demand and watch past shows.

It's unfortunate that wrestling fans can only be exposed to the watered down "sports entertainment" crap that is the WWE when they should be watching pure wrestling, and forcing the WWE to improve.

[The Ghoul]

I would watch TNA, & I did for a while. But my mom was tired of paying up to 50$ a month for it so I'm not aloud to any more

[BATMANMI]

Originally posted by Johnny Blaze
Well, I believe this is the second Kane since the character debuted in the 90's.
And he lost a match against...someone, I can't remember who...and since he lost he was forced to remove his mask or get "fired". Since he's maskless he's gone nuts and has savagely attacked a bunch of people, including Tombstoning Linda McMahon, which is why he and Shane are feuding right now.


On a different note...who here would like to see the Hitman return to wrestling for the NWA:TNA? :D Actually there has been only one Kane, and he has been portrayed by real name Glen Jacobs. When he first entered the WWE he was Issac Yankem, then Fake Diesel.

[BlackSymbiote]

Originally posted by The Ghoul
I would watch TNA, & I did for a while. But my mom was tired of paying up to 50$ a month for it so I'm not aloud to any more

Fortunately my parents don't mind. At least until I stop becoming an unemployed slob and become and employed slob.

Anyway, if you have BitTorrent, go here: http://www.wutalk.com/index.php? and join. No post count needed to go into the Media forum. TNAs are up usually a day or two after Wednsday.

The current one up is from last week. I have a bunch in my shared folder that I haven't cut into highlight videos yet, and I have Kazaa Lite. People download these things off me all the time.

Technically I don't break the law by downloading these because I buy the PPV first. :D

[BATMANMI]

The problem with the WWE right now is that they waited to long to start pushing new talent, and they are still depending on the veterans. Nothing against Triple H, Undertaker, etc... but it got really boring really fast when all you ever would see was the main even matches all shuffled between 4 or 5 veterans. WWE has so much talent, but their just not using them correctly in my opinion. You know how many awesome matches could take place if things were done correctly.

[BlackSymbiote]

Originally posted by BATMANMI
The problem with the WWE right now is that they waited to long to start pushing new talent, and they are still depending on the veterans. Nothing against Triple H, Undertaker, etc... but it got really boring really fast when all you ever would see was the main even matches all shuffled between 4 or 5 veterans. WWE has so much talent, but their just not using them correctly in my opinion. You know how many awesome matches could take place if things were done correctly.

That's been everyone's biggest gripe, and the reason I like the roster split. Cena, Benoit, Eddie, they never would've gotten the push they're getting now if not for it.

[GLfan]

Bad News Wrestling Fans Of the 80's:


March 7, 2004 - Source: 1Wrestling.com
We are saddened to report that Raymond Fernandez (aka Hercules Hernandez) has passed away. He was found dead on Saturday morning where he passed away in his sleep.
Hernandez was best known for his match with Ricky Steamboat at WrestleMania 2 and his stint in Japan with Scott Norton as the Jurassic Powers.

So far the cause of death seems to be from a heart attack pending an autopsy.

We here at ProWrestling.com would like to take this time to send out condolences to the friends and family of Raymond Fernandez.

[3dman27]

my codolenses to mr. hernandez' family

[Vapor]

Originally posted by BlackSymbiote
Actually, you have to buy Ring of Honor tapes from RFvideo.com, since RoH doesn't have a TV show. They just record every show and release them on video and DVD.

Or you can download the shows from the Internet, if you can find websites.

Same goes for TNA. You can download the PPVs a few days after the show airs. Or you can go to nwatna.com and use TNA on Demand and watch past shows.

It's unfortunate that wrestling fans can only be exposed to the watered down "sports entertainment" crap that is the WWE when they should be watching pure wrestling, and forcing the WWE to improve.

Here in the UK there's gonna be a new channel called 'The Wrestling Channel' which wil air shows from CZW, TNA, RoH, FWA and Japanese stuff...

At the moment previews of TCW are been shown on Friendly TV (ch. 268) (it's actually on right now as I type this showing FWA, according to my m8)

TCW will debut on March 15th on ch. 426 I think... sadly only Sky Digital customers will be able to veiw TCW...

I only have crappy Cable which means I won't be able to see it which means I'm stuck with WWE...

Never heard of Raymond Fernandez before but it's sad news he's passed away, my condolences to his family. We seem to have lost a lot of wrestlers over the past year.

[BlackSymbiote]

Man, another legend gone. :(

As for your Wrestling Channel, I hate you. I wish they'd have that over here. RoH once did a show with FWA. They're going to do a show with Pro Wrestling Guerrila soon too.

[Mr.Webs]

R.I.P

:(

[BATMANMI]

That's sad to hear of Hercule's death, my condolences go out to his family. It's sad that it seems no wrestler these day's lives through his 40's. All the wear and tear throughout the years of wrestling put's a toll on your body I'm sure. Also, wrestling has no union. Once your out of the limelight, basically your on your own.

[BlackSymbiote]

Originally posted by The Sabretooth
BEARER'S URN!!!!!BEARER WILL RETURN!!

Unless that was stated, I doubt it. The urn was always a symbol of the Undertaker. Remember, it's where he got his "power" from.

The urn doesn't mean that Bearer is coming back.

Unless it was stated, as I said before. And since I don't watch WWE, it might have been.

[nabob1982]

are there any of the old wwe/wcw/wwf on DVD yet?
i.e. 80's/early 90's, I'm wondering if anyone knows...

[BlackSymbiote]

Your best bet is to rent them on video tape or check eBay. Few of the 80s/90s tapes are on DVD.

[3dman27]

any opininons on mania?

[GLfan]

Originally posted by nabob1982
are there any of the old wwe/wcw/wwf on DVD yet?
i.e. 80's/early 90's, I'm wondering if anyone knows... Well, I have the following dvd's that have old matches from the late 80's to 90's:
1. Shawn Michaels From The Vault-Has him turning on his old tag partner Marty Janetti, him losing the title to Stone Cold and other matches.
2. Hulk Rules-All Hogan's classic matches from the 80's
3. The Ultimate Ric Flair Collection has his old matches with Hansome Harley Race, Ricky Steamboat, Sting, and others
4. Undertaker My Yard-Haven't watched this one yet
I Just Ordered
1. The Monday Night Wars Raw vs WCW-Their battle for #1 spot, plus many classic matches too many to name.
2. The Hits And Misses Of Mick Foley. I can't wait til these two come in, they're packed with alot of extras. The first has Foley's matches from ECW, WWF, WCW. and his important Hell In The Cell against the Undertaker where he falls off the cage.
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3DMan-My Opinion on Mania is that, it will be the best PPV of the Year! Can't wait to see Lesnar against Goldberg. Another good one is the Rock And Sock connection back together vs Evolution with Jimmy Superfly Snuka Rock's corner. I want Cena to win the title from Big Show, and the Cruiserweight turmoil. I very pumped up about it, my friends and I are going to get together and watch the show at my house, have Pizza and drinks. Can't wait!!

[Vapor]

On paper it's got some great matches... Christian/Jericho, Goldberg/Lesnar, Kurt/Eddie, Taker/Kane, Rock and Sock Connection vs. Evolution and even HHH/Benoit/HBK and Cena/Big Show but I got a feeling it's gonna be hit and miss...

Also this CW Open (which they might aswell just have called a Battle Royal because they've already named evryone who is entering eliminating the surprise of who actually wants to... Like if they'd haven't of named the entrants it would have been better finding out on the night who ws in it) and also the the two tag title matches;

RAW - Jindrak/Cade vs. La Resistance vs. Booker T/RVD vs. Dudleys

SD - WGTT vs. Scotty/Rikishi vs. Bashams vs. APA

will probably be pretty crap and just feel like fillers... I would have rather had Hurricane and Rosey in the RAW one rather than The Dudleys... And instead of or aswell as I think they should have teamed O'Haire with Rhyno and also Billy Gunn with Bill DeMott...

What is happening with the Intercontinental Title?

I would have thought they'd have had every title on the line but Orton is still champ.

I also think this would have been a good way to bring the Hardcore Title back... have a battle royal and just put every superstar who isn't doing anything in it... yes it would feel like a filler but if it would be anything like all the Crash Holly era Battles, it would be pretty cool...

[Vapor]

This is my 'Dream WM20 Card' that I came up with ages ago... At the time I thought it was pretty cool... But I never thought of having Taker/Kane or Lesnar/Goldberg so it feels kinda crap now... Also a lot of it is dependant on stuff that was happening at the time and Edge's rumoured return at WM20 had he not gone and injured his ankle.

I was also toying around with having Stone Cold vs. Goldberg or Stone Cold vs. Vince McMahon...

WWE Championship: Fatal-Four Way Match
Kurt Angle © vs The Undertaker vs Brock Lesnar vs John Cena

Build Up: Brock Lesnar and Undertaker work a program and Kurt Angle and John Cena work a program upto Armageddon. Undertaker beats Lesnar to keep the title. Angle beats Cena. John Cena dissapears for a while and returns as a neutral with his ruthless agression gimmick.

John Cena wins the Royal Rumble, beating Brock Lesnar and earning his place at WM20. Kurt Angle wants his place at WM20 and turns heel on Taker, getting a title match at the Febuary PPV. Meanwhile Cena has turned major face, working a program against Lesnar. Kurt Angle beats Undertaker to become the new champion. Brock Lesnar beats Cena at the Febuary PPV and starts saying he should be the new No.1 Contendor... But the match wasn't for the No.1 Contendorship. Undertaker says he should get a rematch and he doesn't want to wait till after WM. Steph puts Lesnar and Taker in matches with Benoit and Big Show, saying if they can win they will get put into a Fatal Four Way at WM20. Lesnar and Taker win their respective matches.

WINNER: John Cena or Kurt Angle

No Holds Barred Match
The Rock vs Stone Cold Steve Austin

Build Up: The Rock makes his return, as a heel in mid-December, in a segment. Later in the night, he bumps into Austin. Rock laughs at how Austin is only an official now and that the Rattlesnake has lost its venom. Austin says he would gladly prove him wrong in a re-match from WM19 but Rock declines. Austin puts him in a match with Shawn Michaels. Rock works a program with Shawn Michaels ending at a match at the Royal Rumble. The Rock wins.

Austin decides to ask Rock if he feels like having a match yet... Rock says he would love to kick Austins ass like at WM19 but he doesn't want to beat on a cripple. Later in the night, Rock comes out while Austin is in the ring and Rock Bottoms him.

The next week, Austin is irate but The Rock is nowhere to be seen. The two carry segments and near matches until WM20 in which Rock eventually agrees to a match.

WINNER: Stone Cold Steve Austin

World Heavyweight Championship Match
Triple H © vs. Ric Flair

Build Up: After his fued with RVD, Jericho beats Goldberg at the October PPV for the Title. After holding it for only a month, HHH beats Jericho at Armageddon. Jericho goes back to working his way to a fued with Christian. HHH goes strong and gives Goldberg a rematch the Royal Rumble. HHH wins in a clean match.

At the Febuary PPV, HHH and Flair fight in a tag match against Jericho and Christian. The match goes well for Jericho/Christian but in the end, Christian is looking to put Flair away but Jericho tags himself in. HHH is on the outside and gets rid of Christian. Meanwhile Flair has got out of the Walls of Jericho but HHH hits Jericho with a chair, leaving him open for the pin from Flair.

The next night, Austin works his way into Flairs head syaing how he was once so great and that HHH can't trust him to let Flair finish the match cleanly. Flair walks off thinking about it. During the night Flair is set to face Jericho but HHH comes down to do comentary and eventually gets involved. Afterwards, Flair locks HHH in the figure four.

Flair gets a major face turn and starts blabbing about how he is a 14 time World Champ and that he deserves better than to be be HHH's armpiece. This works up to a Title match at WM20.

WINNER: Ric Flair

Cage Match
Chris Jericho vs. Christian

Build Up: Jericho fueds with RVD for a while but soon breaks away and even wins the title for a month. Christian, meanwhile, has been working his way up, against people like Randy Orton until he gets to Shawn Michaels. In the last HBK/Christian match, which Christian wins, Kane comes down and gets HBK.

Christian gets sided with Jericho again and works a few tag matches against RVD/Lance Storm. After this run Christian decides he is tired of been put in Jerichos shadow and decides he can run on his own steam (afterall, he did beat Shawn Michaels)

Christian turns on Jericho around mid-Febuary giving Christian his much needed push and Jericho a face turn. They run a few matches and segments on RAW leading up to to Cage match at WM20. Christian wins and goes on to face The Rock and Jericho goes on to face Ric Flair for the title.

WINNER: Christian

WWE United States Championship: TLC Match
Edge vs. Eddie Guerrero vs. Chris Benoit © vs. Matt Hardy

Build Up: Los Guerreros loose their tag titles to Hardy/Moore around December. Chavo goes off to the CW Division and Eddie concentrates on his US Title work. Meanwhile, Edge wins a much hyped return match against A-Train and runs a mini-feud against him. At the same time, Eddie runs a mini-fued against Benoit where Benoit manages to win the US Title at the Royal Rumble.

Now Matt Hardy and Shannon Moore have lost the tag titles... Shannon goes to do CW stuff and Matt decides Edge is too popular and that he should be more popular. They run a fued ending in a Ladder Match at the Febuary PPV, which Matt Hardy - just - wins.

The next night Edge faces Benoit for the US Title but looses. Matt Hardy says how he just beat Edge in a Ladder match and that he should get a match too. In the same night, Benoit puts the title on the line against Matt, which Benoit wins.

The next week, Edge, Eddie and Matt are put in a Triple Threat Match for the No.1 Contendorship to the US Title in which Eddie cheats (much to the delight of the crowd). Because Eddie cheated, Edge and Matt get put into the US match at WM20 too.

WINNER: Edge

WWE Intercontinental Championship: Triple Threat Match
Rob Van Dam vs. Lance Storm vs. Booker T ©

Build Up: After working a program against Val Venis, Lance Storm has made his way up to a firm Upper-Mid Carder. RVD finished his fued with Jericho by mid-December and came out with the IC Title still around his waist. Booker T has also made his way back by now and got thrown straight into an IC Title Match, which he won.

Lance Storm and RVD work a few tag matches against Jericho/Christian but both want the IC Title. RVD gets his rematch but Storm interferes, costing him the match. At the Febuary PPV, Lance faces RVD for the No.1 Contendorship but it ends in a draw, making the Triple Threat Match at WM20.

WINNER: Lance Storm

WWE Tag Team Championships Match
Charlie Haas and Shelton Benjimin © vs. Billy Gunn and Jamie Noble vs. Sean O'Haire and Chris Kanyon

Build Up: Los Guerreros hold the tag titles until about the begining of December where they loose to Matt Hardy and Shannon Moore. Los Guerreros go on to CW/US title stuff. Hardy/Moore work a program with Billy Gunn and Noble where Gunn/Noble win the titles at the Royal Rumble. Haas and Benjimin decide they want the titles back because they have been doing so poor by themselves.

Meanwhile Sean O'Haire has come back a neutral and has been working his way through the lower carders talents (Spanky, Basham Bros ect) and Chris Kanyon has made his way on to the roster.

Billy Gunn and Noble loose the titles to Benjimin/Haas at the Febuary PPV. The next show, a 3 man tag match is made - Gunn/Noble/O'Haire vs. Haas/Benjimin/Kanyon. At the end of the match, O'Haire and Kanyon turn on their respective teams and thus become a team themselves.

WINNER: Sean O'Haire and Chris Kanyon

Last Man Standing Match
Kane vs. Shawn Michaels

Build Up: Kane ends his thing with Shane McMahon and goes from a 'monster' to a crazy person who just goes on the war path each week. He goes through Kevin Nash for a month and a half and then decides Shawn Michaels will be his next victim. During a Shawn Michaels/Christian match, Kane comes down after the match and destroys him with a chair. Each week, Kane beats Shawn Michaels and the match is made.The more and more Kane beats HBK it looks like he will win but HBK manages to get a win over him on the last match before WM20.

WINNER: Shawn Michaels

World Tag Team Championships: Tables Match
Mark Jindrak and Garrison Cade © vs. Hurricane and Rosey vs. Dudley Boyz vs. Randy Orton and Batista

Build Up: Around mid-December, La Resistance win the tag titles back from the Dudleys, by cheating. Two weeks later Hurricane and Rosey are given a shot at the titles but The Dudleys run down and destroy Hurricane/Rosey, saying it should be their rematch and making a heel turn. The next week, Hurricane and Rosey get another shot in which they win. Dudleys challenge Hurricane/Rosey to a titles match at the Royal Rumble but The Dudleys loose. The next night on RAW, The Dudleys manage to wind their way into another tag titles match which they win.

3/4 weeks later Mark Jindrak and Garrison Cade win the tag titles. Up to this point, Randy Orton has been picking his way through the lower carders(Spike, Dreamer ect) where he comes to Garrison Cade. Garrison puts up a good fight but in the end Randy Orton wins and after the match he beats him with a chair. The next week he has to face Mark Jindrak. Mark Jindrak looks as though he is gonna win but Batista makes his return and destroys Jindrak.

Meanwhile The Dudleys have been running a mini-fued with Hurricane/Rosey... Jindrak and Cade agree to put the titles on the line against Orton/Batista but Dudleys then want in and therefore Hurricane/Rosey want in too. Austin comes out and makes the 4 way Tables match at WM20. In the ring a brawl between all 4 teams break out which ends up with Dudleys putting Hurricane and Orton/Batista putting Jindrak through a table.

WINNER: Randy Orton and Batista

WWE Cruiserweight Championship: Battle Royal
Rey Mysterio vs. Ultimo Dragon vs. Billy Kidman © vs. Shannon Moore vs. Spanky vs. Tajiri vs. Chavo Guererro

Build Up: Kidman goes into the match as CW champ having beat Rey Rey several weeks earlier who has been running an intense fued with Tajiri and ended it off by winning the CW back from him.

Meanwhile, Vince has decided to give Ultimo Dragon another chance and he has been working his way through the other CWs and in particular, Shannon Moore/Matt Hardy...

WINNER: Shannon Moore or Ultimo Dragon.

WWE Women's Championship
Lita vs. Trish Stratus vs. Molly Holly vs. Victoria ©

Build Up: Victoria beat Trish Stratus who, several weeks earlier, beat Molly Holly.

WINNER: Lita

[3dman27]

what do you think of mr macmahon's plan to shake up the wwe with a lottery monday night on raw? me i think this is how they'll bring backthe ecw brand. first on this weeks smackdown paul heyman will refuse to reckognize the lottery shakeup and forbid smackdown grapplersto go to the raw venue therby prompting vince to fire him and when some smackdown wrestlers side with him they also are fired and heyman starts up his own group by rechristening smackdown ECW SMACKDOWN also i found it ironic that when vice made his statement about "creating new rivalries"he did so by interuppting the start of a decent new rivalry namley stacy kiebler vs jackie gayda

[The Ghoul]

WWE is going into a new direction all together. On Wrestlemania XX notice a lot of shirts & stuff depicting the OLD logo but without the F just the WW logo. The compony is following a new type of brand all togther.

[3dman27]

i don't have ppv capacityso i didn't see wreastlmania and i didn't notice the new logo on raw

[Archangel]

Originally posted by The Ghoul
WWE is going into a new direction all together. On Wrestlemania XX notice a lot of shirts & stuff depicting the OLD logo but without the F just the WW logo. The compony is following a new type of brand all togther.

That's not the new logo, it's only being used by John Cena.

[Go Web Go!]

I heard that the WWE was supposed to unveil a new logo at WrestleMania, but the only logo I saw being unveiled was for WrestleMania 21. Hmm...

[Vapor]

What do you think of the roster re-draft?

And have you heard the rumour about the big WCW star coming to WWE?

I heard it was either Sting or Luger (or both)...

[Go Web Go!]

I think it's a good idea because alot of fans are getting tired of seeing the same faces going after eachother week after week. This will be a fresh start for both shows and also for alot of the superstars who have'nt had much airtime in the past. And nope, I have'nt heard anything about a former WCW star joining WWE. I doubt it because things like this are usually all around the internet, but it's possible with Lesnar, Goldberg, and The Rock out of the picture.

[The Ghoul]

It won't be Luger just because there is no way they can get any bank on him anymore, not only with his past legal issues, but just because his star has faded before WCW was bought. As for Sting, I heard that rumor for a very long time, but it never seems to happen. And I also heard that Shannon Ward (Daffney Unger in WCW, & Lucy Furr in NWA/TNA, XPW, Ring of Honor & some independent circuits) was supposed to join, but her OVW contract was termenated along with her potential WWE contract back in December (For those who don't know OVW: Ohio Valley Wrestling is an independent branch owned by WWE were where Potential "Superstars" go to train before they get an official contract.

[Go Web Go!]

That doesn't leave many options seeing as most former WCW wrestlers are in the NWA or off doing their own thing outside the country. Probably just a rumor...

[Pink Ranger]

I bet they're bringing back Ralphus to help Chris Jericho battle the combined forces of Trish Stratus and Christian, giving Jericho's side a much-needed boost of sex appeal to balance out the warring factions.

[3dman27]

may i ask who this ralphus is? i never heard of her

[GLfan]

Ralphus is the big fat guy Jericho had in his corner when he was a heel, he also use to humiliate him.

[3dman27]

oh when i read pink rangers post about" giving jericho's side a much needed boost of sex appeal"i though ralphus would be female

[Pink Ranger]

Ralphus did have breasts, though, so good guess.

[The Ghoul]

I can't really find a good picture, but here is Ralphus
http://stinger1987.homestead.com/files/jerichohair.jpg

[BlackSymbiote]

Gah! What's up with Jericho's hair?!

[Vapor]

There was another rumour I read somewhere that a new female wrestler was coming to WWE... Maybe there's something in that.

[The Ghoul]

Originally posted by Vapor
There was another rumour I read somewhere that a new female wrestler was coming to WWE... Maybe there's something in that.

Originally posted by The Ghoul
And I also heard that Shannon Ward (Daffney Unger in WCW, & Lucy Furr in NWA/TNA, XPW, Ring of Honor & some independent circuits) was supposed to join, but her OVW contract was termenated along with her potential WWE contract

[3dman27]

i wonder who the new diva will be?any ideas also who's gonna end up on which show?

[The Ghoul]

I have a feeling the might sign Francine. Just my thoughts

[Go Web Go!]

I think you're talking about Nikita. She was supposed to play a major role (Vince's ''other'' daughter) but she was injured and released not too long ago.

[3dman27]

who's nikita?

[The Ghoul]

Originally posted by Go Web Go!
I think you're talking about Nikita. She was supposed to play a major role (Vince's ''other'' daughter) but she was injured and released not too long ago.

What? My comment about Shannon Ward's OVW contract being let go. I wasn't sure about the details, I just went to her Official site, which is never updated, & the last update (from december 8th) said she was just let go & had plans to tour independently with out as a free agent rather than staying in one regional circuit.

[BlackSymbiote]

Originally posted by The Ghoul
I have a feeling the might sign Francine. Just my thoughts

I don't know. A new fed here in MO called Ozark Mountain Championship Wrestling has her scheduled for their first show, whenever that is.

But things do change.

[Pink Ranger]

Originally posted by Go Web Go!
I think you're talking about Nikita. She was supposed to play a major role (Vince's ''other'' daughter) but she was injured and released not too long ago.

Too bad. That sounded like it would have been a great angle.

[GLfan]

** SPOILERS **

RAW lottery picks

Shelton Benjamin
Nidia
Rhyno
Edge
Tajiri
Paul Heyman

Smackdown lottery picks

Renee Dupree
Mark Jindrak
Triple H
Rob Van Dam
Theodore Long
Spike Dudley

The following is from WWE.com:

Earlier tonight, Paul Heyman - the former General Manager of SmackDown! - was drafted by RAW and subsequently quit. Therefore, due to the absence of a GM on SmackDown!, I have extended the trading deadline to 9 p.m. ET Tuesday, at which time a new GM of SmackDown! will be announced, and that new GM of SmackDown! will in fact announce all trades. Thank you.

This may leave the door open for Steph to return, can't wait for Smackdown this week!

[3dman27]

i hope it does

[0neDisturbedSOB]

The WWE lottery was kind of disappointing...RAW really didn't get anyone good except for Edge, I was hoping more changes would have been made (Cena going to RAW). The ending was good with Stone Cold leading the "troops" out to kick ass.

Even though RAW got shafted in the lottery I still think it's the better show..Smackdown has virtually no star power anymore (Lesnar quitting, Angle injured...etc) I also think HHH will be traded back to RAW it would be surprising to see him leave Evolution, although they might have done this so he could be with Stephanie who will most likely return as the new Smackdown! GM.

Vince needs to just end this stupid roster split, I hated it when it first came about, and I still hate it 2yrs later....if he wants some competition resurrect WCW or ECW (I think will happen at some point). Wrestling was so much better when Vince had some REAL competition, this roster thing is ridiculous.

[Savage]

if it wasn't for that roster, the actual good wrestlers would not recieve the chances they do today. Benoit and Eddie would have never become champions, Edge would still be second tier, and so on. It would be Triple H and Austin tv at all times and Wrestling would pretty much go down the toilet. I'm happy about the roster split because the true stars get their chance to shine.

[0neDisturbedSOB]

See that's not exactly true, the roster split isn't responsilbe for making superstars from no body's...Eddie and Benoit were already big names before it happened, before Austin left he and Eddie were in a feud together, and Eddie was in line for a huge push anyways.

Benoit has always been a big name to me, the man is about as intense as they come....it's about time he captured the title, for me he makes a more convincing champion than Eddie.

HHH going to Smackdown! is bad news for them because we all know that he always has to have the belt around his waist, It's only a matter of time before he gets the WWE title (assuming he stays on Smackdown!)

I think guys like Booker T or Kane deserve a title run more than Eddie. Sure he's a tremendous performer, but why should he be champ when those guys have been around just as much as he has and they're still waiting?

[BlackSymbiote]

Very simple answer, SOB: Eddie and Benoit made the jump BEFORE WCW tanked. Booker T only jumped BECAUSE of the WCW tanking.

Booker T is not a WWE made star, and therefore won't become a big WWE star, regardless of fan reaction, due to Vince's ego and willingness only to push WWE stars.

Kane, I'm not sure about Kane. I think the WWE has screwed him up.

Also, don't expect WCW or ECW to be resurrected. If they are, don't expect any of the big name talent to be put on it. Sure Vince needs competition, but there's no competition if you OWN it.

[Savage]

Booker-T has already been champion 5 times. lol Benoit and Eddie have never gotten any till now. Kane got it for like...a night. Then he lost it again the enxt day for who knows what reason...I say Benoit and Eddie have it for a few more months and then other guys get a shot...Triple H should go back to second tier once he gets to Smackdown so he'll be forced to actually wrestle again. I remember when the guy used to be one of my favorite wrestlers back with DX and Chyna and that cool theme that sounded like a siren and all...Now he's trash.:(

[GLfan]

Two more Trades Have Been Made:

The following roster trades have been confirmed:

- HHH for Booker T & The Dudleys

- Rico & Jackie for A-Train and Chuck Palumbo
__________________________________________________ _

Now, with this thought in mind. Since Paul Heyman quit, he's free now to start up the ECW again as rumored.

[Go Web Go!]

^ BOOOOO! ^

Roster shake-ups, my ass...

[Shifty]

Originally posted by Savage
Booker-T has already been champion 5 times. lol Benoit and Eddie have never gotten any till now. Kane got it for like...a night. Then he lost it again the enxt day for who knows what reason...I say Benoit and Eddie have it for a few more months and then other guys get a shot...

Actually Benoit did win the belt once in WCW. the WWE just 'forgot' this for storyline purpoes. Goldberg wasn't WWE but they're paying him so much they had too. RVD was way over back in summer/fall 2000. He was in a triple threat match but lost. Since then its just be downhill for him. Vince won't put the belt on them unless other stars are injured.

[FTW Kid]

I'm ****ing sick of The Nose(A.K.A. Triple H)
The WWE needs NWA:TNA to get a tv deal and soon.

F.T.W.

R.I.P. ECW

[GLfan]

This just in, New Smackdown GM!!!!!!




*New Update!*

WWE.com has confirmed that the new GM of SmackDown! is Kurt Angle.

This was undoubtedly a move to prevent in-ring wear-and-tear to Kurt Angle for the time being.

[3dman27]

i read this while reading the www.comingsoon.net wrestling thread while shh was offline for maintanece this morning i wonder how he'll be as gm?

[reggiebar]

Originally posted by slinger
Actually Benoit did win the belt once in WCW. the WWE just 'forgot' this for storyline purpoes.

FYI, Benoit won the WCW belt at Souled Out 2000 against Sid on a Sundy night and the very next day left WCW and appeared on RAW Monday night as part of the Radicalz.

[0neDisturbedSOB]

Originally posted by BlackSymbiote
Very simple answer, SOB: Eddie and Benoit made the jump BEFORE WCW tanked. Booker T only jumped BECAUSE of the WCW tanking.

Booker T is not a WWE made star, and therefore won't become a big WWE star, regardless of fan reaction, due to Vince's ego and willingness only to push WWE stars.

Kane, I'm not sure about Kane. I think the WWE has screwed him up.

Also, don't expect WCW or ECW to be resurrected. If they are, don't expect any of the big name talent to be put on it. Sure Vince needs competition, but there's no competition if you OWN it.

See I don't agree with you...how do you explain Goldberg? he's more WCW than Booker T is, and look how long it took him to capture the title. If Goldberg was still in the WWE I wouldn't doubt he would be champion again within the next few months.

All I'm saying is that there are people more deserving of a title run than Eddie, it's not that I don't like him, but I just don't think he makes a convincing champion.

Beniot was champion in WCW for like a day, then he jumped to WWE with Eddie, Saturn and Malenko...why would Eddie be the first one to get a title run? In my opinion Benoit would kick Eddie's ass if they ever did a "champ VS champ" match...Benoit is just intense, and really is the best technical wrestler there is today.

Just like I said, HHH has been traded back to RAW. Maybe Booker T will finally get a push now that he's on Smackdown!...he might play the role of a heel.

It just bothers me when Eddie is so heavily pushed, and someone like Jericho isn't. Sure he was the 1st undisputed champ, but look how long that lasted. Jericho has been with WWE since around 98 or 99 I think he should at least be a main eventer if Eddie is going to be one.

They could put the title on Kane, and then have an interpromotional feud between him and Undertaker...if you want to build someone up like a monster, then why not give him the thing that would show how unstoppable he is?

[OtepApe]

You see Jericho has talent. WWE don't like to push people with talent. Jericho was the first undisputed champ, but towards Wrestlemania 18( I think) he became Stephanies personal ***** and dropped the title to make HHH look good.

WWE are starting to push people with talent but Jericho really is one of the best workers in the WWE and they bury him. I really wanted him to jump to Smackdown! so he could get a decent run. He could be a very good chapion, if given a decent attepmt.

[Eric Draven]

It's been rumored that one of the reasons why Jericho is never given a chance is because of Kevin Nash. Back in WCW, Nash basically said that Jericho would amount to nothing because of his size, and he basically did nothing in WCW except stay in the cruiserweight division. So he jumped to the WWE because he thought he could get further there. But it's been said that Nash told his buddy Triple H to depush Jericho so he could prove that he's right all along.

Now that may not be true, but that's what I keep hearing about why Jericho may never be a main eventer like Eddy is.

[OtepApe]

It wouldn't surprise me if Nash did something like that. That's what pisses me off with these older wrestlers, they can't accept the fact that their time is winding down and to make sure they stay on top, **** on all the talented,younger wrestlers.

When Jericho was in WCW, he was one of the better things about the company and is one of the better things about the WWE right now. Bischoff has stated that he thought Jericho could never become a world champ and he proved Bischoff wrong, he will do the same with Nash.

Don't get me started on that ******* HHH, I could go on all day.

[0neDisturbedSOB]

I thought Jericho was good as a champ, as I've said before when someone like Eddie is the WWE champ, it really pisses me off since people like Jericho are being held back so much.

I hate the roster split...when you have 2 champions running around, it takes away from the importance of the belt. So tell me, which is more important the WWE title, or the World title? if they wanted to have their own seperate titles it should have been RAW champ, and the Smackdown! champ.

I also don't like how the WWE basically re-used the WCW title...I mean what happened to the ECW titles? basically WWE has gone down in the past few years, I'm still a fan but nothing will ever top the "Attitude" era of the mid to late 90's.

[Go Web Go!]

I say they should still have ONE Heavyweight champion with the ability to be on both shows rather than have 2 belts on both shows.

[0neDisturbedSOB]

I would go for that....2 champions ruins the importance of the belt. Like I said, which one is supposed to be more important the WWE title or the World title?

I read a report saying Booker T will be playing a heel on Smackdown! hopefully he'll get a title run...about damn time. I know he was the 5 time WCW champion, but that fact doesn't mean **** inside a WWE ring. Look at how big Steiner used to be, and look at him now.

[Go Web Go!]

I look at the WWE title being the major belt since that was the belt used from the get-go while the World title was brought up out of nowhere and just given away after being put on the shelf for a few months.

[0neDisturbedSOB]

I miss the old "eagle" belt they used to have...the WWE used to be the undisputed title, and is now just the WWE title again. They need to have just one belt, and figure out what the hell it is.

They need to start making new champions, but making them out of people who deserve it, and for God's sake let them hold the belt for awhile (rumor has it Benoit will lose it to HHH in a month or so).

[Go Web Go!]

Yeah. I read something like that. And also that Guerrero is supposed to hold the belt for a good period of time.

[3dman27]

Originally posted by Go Web Go!
I say they should still have ONE Heavyweight champion with the ability to be on both shows rather than have 2 belts on both shows. that could go for all champions as well btw about an earlier remark about the wwe not pushing jericho because he HAS talent whatsup withthat?

[0neDisturbedSOB]

Jericho DOES have talent, that's why it pisses me off when he's held back and someone like Eddie is the WWE champion.

I still say they should just end the damn roster split, the WWE will never be as good as it used to be unless they think of something. This whole "brand lottery" was a joke, no big name talent got traded.

Smackdown! is going down the *****ter real quick, they have virtually no big names left, they should just cut their losses and join back up with RAW.

[Eric Draven]

Smackdown has quite a few big names:

Kurt Angle
Undertaker
Booker T
RVD
John Cena
Eddy Guerrerro
Big Show

And with Smackdown, it seems that they can elevate more wrestlers to the main event (Haas, Dupree). I mean, with Raw, which wrestler has moved from the the mid-card to the top so quickly like John Cena has? or even Eddy Guerrero?

Heck, I think right now, Smackdown could be better than Raw.

[0neDisturbedSOB]

Look at those names and tell me which one is main event calibur (excluding Eddie, Undertaker, and Cena). Angle was put as the GM so he could do what Austin does....have an on air role without wrestling.

RVD and Booker T sad to say, will never be main eventers....I think they should, but WWE has misused them ever since day one.

I would like to see Cena as the WWE champion before 2004 ends. Undertaker's "dead man" return was a joke....what is different about him other than his entrance and Paul Bearer? they totally dropped the ball with him, I was so excited to see the old school Undertaker return and we got stuck with this cowboy/biker....ridiculous.

Big Show is a joke as a champion....he is where he's at simply based on his size, not because he has talent others don't.

Smackdown! lost of it's biggest stars, and they're left with very little main eventers, and now one of their top guys can't really wrestle right now.

RAW has names like Austin, The Rock, HHH, Jericho, Flair, Kane, Edge (who will be champ by the end of 2004), HBK, Benoit...etc

With the exception of the roster trade, when's the last time you saw someone jump from RAW to Smackdown? most of the time it's the other way around....Matt Hardy, and Benoit are the newest ones to jump.

RAW is just the better show all around, Smackdown is second tier, and their roster is in trouble.

[OtepApe]

Smackdown are elevating a few people i.e. Matt Hardy, Chris benoit, then they get moved to raw and get buried, it's stupid.

Smackdown has barely any main event talent, they all get moved to raw where they will all challenge HHH for the belt( you know he's getting that back). and they will never get the belt off of him, unless he's shooting a movie or something.

I don't watch wrestling for storyline purposes anymore, I just watch to see good matches. There ain't no point. Talented wrestlers i.e. Jericho, Van Dam, Booker T, Matt Hardy all get buried and pieces of crap like Big Show, HHH, Cena get pushed to the oon. It makes me so angry.

[Go Web Go!]

Originally posted by OtepApe
Smackdown are elevating a few people i.e. Matt Hardy, Chris benoit, then they get moved to raw and get buried, it's stupid.


That's not the case with Benoit, but you can't say the same about Test, Lance Storm, Matt Hardy, The Hurricane....The list goes on and on.

[0neDisturbedSOB]

How can you say Benoit got buried? he went to RAW and became the champion a few weeks later....that hardly sounds like he's being buried to me.

Also how is Cena a piece of crap?

I too am tired of HHH having the belt, it's just getting old now, he's already the 8 time champion which I believe is more than anyone else....he's already set the record, let someone else have the spotlight for a minute. HHH is getting fat too!

[OtepApe]

Benoit ain't buried yet, but he is only there to make HHH look good.

I have never been much of a fan of Cena. I prefer others

[0neDisturbedSOB]

Yeah and on Smackdown he wasn't even in the running for the title anymore....RAW made him a champ. Smackdown is like a minor league team with a few big name coaches to help them out, RAW is where they want to end up. Being sent to Smackdown! is like getting demoted at work....like I said, when's the last time you saw a RAW guy jump to Smackdown?

[OtepApe]

bloody that's a question, before the recent roster trade i believe the last one was Crash Holly. That's pretty much answered everything right there.

[0neDisturbedSOB]

Because the RAW guys don't want to be on Smackdown! it's like I said, it's like going from major leagues to minor.

[Go Web Go!]

I have'nt read about any RAW guys not wanting to be on SmackDown. From what I've read, alot of guys from RAW are wanting to jump from one show to the other because SmackDown does'nt have Triple H to hold them back and because the mood there is alot easier.

[OtepApe]

Yeah, apparently backstage there is alot of animosity on Raw. Smackdown is a lot more relaxed and easy going. HHH is another reason because he is a fat, glory hogging, no selling, boss's daughter banging, ric flair loving biatch.

Personally I think Bischoff is banging Vince.

[Archangel]

Originally posted by 0neDisturbedSOB
Because the RAW guys don't want to be on Smackdown! it's like I said, it's like going from major leagues to minor.

Actually, thats a lie. The wrestlers have stated how they prefer Smackdown because the lockeroom there is much more relaxed.

[EDIT] Oh......so the two people before me already corrected you...

[0neDisturbedSOB]

I've read that before, but they know for their career RAW is where it's at. The lockeroom may or may not be better on Smackdown! but RAW is where the big names go....Smackdown! is where the guys are groomed to be on RAW. The lockeroom argument is irrelevant because we don't see that side of the WWE.

It's like I said, when's the last time you saw someone jump from RAW to Smackdown?

[Go Web Go!]

Actually, there have been many guys who have jumped from RAW to SmackDown. Eddie Guerrero and The Undertaker to name a few. Yeah, RAW has had more superstars jump on their side but SmackDown has had it's share.

[Archangel]

In my eyes, up until recently, Smackdown has been the superior brand. When it still had Benoit, and Angle wrestled, I prefered watching matches like that then Dudleyz VS La Resistance version 26....WWE in general had been lackluster to me, and I hoped the draft would spice it up a bit....but they screwed up the HHH Pick...and now there's no one I care about on SD! Except for Eddie and Cena...So hopefully RAW will be good.

[3dman27]

Originally posted by 0neDisturbedSOB
Because the RAW guys don't want to be on Smackdown! it's like I said, it's like going from major leagues to minor. thats what booker t was saying during his heel turn bit on smackdown last night

[3dman27]

i stiil think smackdown could use some diva matches maybe the angle administation will bring us some

[Go Web Go!]

Take a look at the girls on SmackDown...It's not happening...

[0neDisturbedSOB]

Yeah we'll see another blockbuster match between Torrie and Sable....those girls should just stick to being valets, it's sad when they attempt to wrestle, and it makes the real Women wrestlers (Lita, Victoria, Molly...etc) less serious.

I also don't remember Eddie or Undertaker jumping from RAW to Smackdown! I think they were part of the original roster, I could be wrong though....

[Eric Draven]

No, both of them definitley jumped from Raw to Smackdown a year or so ago. Benoit also jumped to Smackdown the same time as Eddie.

Don't forget that Brock Lesner was originally supposed to be the champion of both shows but then they made him strictly a Smackdown wrestler.

[0neDisturbedSOB]

See I still can't remember that happening, I only remember them being a part of the original Smackdown! roster when the split happened. I do remember Lesnar jumping a few years ago when Stephanie "stole" him from RAW.

I also don't remember Benoit going to Smackdown from RAW....then he turns around and goes back??

The idea of having 2 champions is ridiculous...they should allow each champion to jump from show to show, and allow anyone on either roster to challenger him/her on their respected show....that might spice things up.

Here's to hoping Booker T FINALLY becomes champion before the year is over....he totally deserves it.

[Eric Draven]

Yeah, I remember UT, Benoit, and Guerrero jumping to Smackdown. It was all during the time when Bischoff and Steph had that continuing feud about which show was better and they had stars jumping onto different shows each time. At first Raw got Jericho, Test, and Christian. Then Stephanie countered by getting Benoit, Guerrero, Undertaker, and finally Lesner. Then, Vince but a moratorium on roster jumpings, and the rosters stayed as they were for quite some time.


Also, part of me thinks that the only reason why they created a second championship title on Raw was solely because Triple H wanted one, and since Lesner was gonna be the Undisputed champion for a while, they brought the WCW championship title out of retirement.

[0neDisturbedSOB]

I do remember Lesnar jumping, but I still can't remember the others. I'm not saying it didn't happen I just can't believe I don't remember something like that.

They need to stick with one championship belt, one tag team belt (set), one US belt (the intercontinental title never made sense to me), one woman's belt...and bring back the hardcore title...those matches were great.

They should strip the titles from everyone and have a bracket match to decide just who is THE best.

[BlackSymbiote]

Originally posted by 0neDisturbedSOB
They should strip the titles from everyone and have a bracket match to decide just who is THE best.

It won't work because AJ Styles and Keiji Mutoh wouldn't be in it...

Oh, you mean in the WWE. Never mind.

[0neDisturbedSOB]

AJ Styles is going nowhere lately...what happened to him??

All I'm saying is WWE needs to stick with having one set of titles to make it more prestigious...as it is now it seems like everyone has their own belt, hell why not have a referee title for each Brand??

[Archangel]

Ahahahaha, Austin got arrested again.

Credit: 1wrestling.com

WWE star Steve Austin was arrested today on assault charges after a domestic dispute with his girlfriend, according to San Antonio, Texas station KSAT channel 12. Austin's girlfriend, who was not indentified, told police that she was pushed down during an argument in Austin's home, injuring "her hands and knees." According to the report, Austin is no longer under probation from his case with ex-wife Debra Williams. The newscast promised further details later in the evening.

Austin is scheduled to for an autograph signing tomorrow afternoon in Secaucus, New Jersey. There is no word on whether the arrest would prevent him from making the appearance

[Abaddon]

I missed Smackdown.Was Undertaker there?

[Go Web Go!]

Nope, no Undertaker or Big Show on last nights show. They basically spent the whole show building their new acquisitions and Bradshaw's new character. But they did show a short clip of last weeks show where The Undertaker Tombstoned Paul Heyman and said that he was staying on SmackDown. I think he might've had the night off because it was his birthday and/or because they could'nt find a way to write him in.

[3dman27]

i think i'm confusing the storylines with reality again[like i did when golddust was"electrocuted"] but paul heyman and ron simmons still work for the wwe right? thier resignation and firing respectivly were just plot devices right

[Vapor]

Yeah Paul Heyman will still be there behind the scenes and I think Ron Simmons has retired to become a trainer... I heard that's what he wants to do one day anyway.

Saw most of SD and I must say, I'm quite liking Bradshaws new direction... I don't know if his ability can back up this push they are obviously giving him but it's different and suits him quite well...

Saw the RAW highlights on The Bottom Line and it was cool to see Edge back. That promo they've got of him with that womens voice saying stuff like "you'll never know him" is pretty cool...It reminds me of those O'Haire "I'm not telling you anything you don't already know" promos... Cos they were both just striking and cool to watch.

And I liked the big inter-brand brawl at the end... I just like them type of thigns when the whole roster gets involved and help each other out and stuff... They've done it a couple of times in the past... I think during the Invasion and there was time ages ago, like back in 99/00 but I can't remember much about it.

[Go Web Go!]

Heyman is working backstage. Ron Simmons was actually released by the WWE.