Wrestling

[kane9321]

omg..lastnite vince crossed the line...how dare he do that....to have that little slut do that...i'm so pissed right now...damn u lita damn u edge

[GLfan]

I read that Matt wasn't too thrilled either.

[Savage]

I loved that bit with Vicara and Lillian, who wants to bet she goes to his room after the show? :D

About Kane...I kind-of like the way he is now, his thing with Lita is freaky and great. :D

So I'm a bit wierd, sue me. :cool:
Yeah, I couldn't stop laughing at that.:D
And Kane and Lita were a great couple. They actually DIDN'T seem odd at all. Sucks what she did to the poor guy. But hey, that means we just get to see more hell unleashed in that ring next week.

[kane9321]

lillan is sooo freakin hot

[Lobo]

Mmmmmmmmmm Lilllian. Did anyone really not see the Edge/Lita thing coming?

[3dman27]

Oh,I thought that people from Raw were gonna be at ECW to ''destroy it'' which is why I said it'll suck.
thats how i read it in the RAW synopsis :hyper:

[John Constantine]

Oh,I thought that people from Raw were gonna be at ECW to ''destroy it'' which is why I said it'll suck.

Nah, if anything, I bet they'll get some Raw wrestlers on just as extra promotion. Then they'll probably just say "screw you" to Bischoff and walk away from him and allow the show to go on.

If anything, it'll just provide more publicity for the PPV....

[John Constantine]

Hey, did anybody else read the specifics about the draft?

I must say, it does sound a bit interesting...but it's still three weeks away...:(

[kane9321]

i'm still too pissed to make any coments..lol

[3dman27]

omg..lastnite vince crossed the line...how dare he do that....to have that little slut do that...i'm so pissed right now...damn u lita damn u edge
i think you're right about this one

[John Constantine]

To be honest, I'm not really that pissed over the Lita/Edge thing. Just like with Vince turning heeling back in 1998, it was something that had to be done. Yeah, sure it was a low thing to do and I feel sorry for Matt Hardy because of it. But fans were chanting "You screwed Matt!" and "Slut!" at Lita and it wasn't going to stop anytime soon.

Plus, with Edge and Lita playing practically themselves now (ie a slut and a lowlife piece of ****), this might be the turning point that'll get them over as the number 2 or even the number 1A heels on the show.

[kane9321]

just because they "teamed up" wont make the chanting stop,Hell its gonna get worse now"which it should".I wonder if this whole lita/edge affair didnt send matt over the "edge",I 'm pretty sure this will now.To use something so personal for ratings isnt cool at all....i'd be thinking about putting the screws to lita/edge/vince if i were matt 187

[Lobo]

This thread needs pics of Lillian

http://www.wwe.com/images/superstars/raw_profile/Lilian_Garcia_profile.jpg

http://www.wapl.com/prints_main/DSCF0105.jpg

[John Constantine]

just because they "teamed up" wont make the chanting stop,Hell its gonna get worse now"which it should".I wonder if this whole lita/edge affair didnt send matt over the "edge",I 'm pretty sure this will now.To use something so personal for ratings isnt cool at all....i'd be thinking about putting the screws to lita/edge/vince if i were matt 187

Yeah, but now they can take advantage of it and try and create a number 2 heel on the show, something that Raw is desperately missing.

And with Matt, he's in a great position right now. Sure he got fired from the WWE and his girlfriend cheated on him, but all I can say is good riddance. Edge and Lita deserve each other anyways. Matt's getting huge support from everyone else, even from people in the WWE locker room from the sounds of it. And when he does return to the wrestling ring, whether it's ROH or TNA or any other federation, he's sure to get a huge reaction.

[kane9321]

it would be nice for him to go to tna..i cant get enough of it.matt shouldnt have left smackdown..lol

[kane9321]

This thread needs pics of Lillian

http://www.wwe.com/images/superstars/raw_profile/Lilian_Garcia_profile.jpg

http://www.wapl.com/prints_main/DSCF0105.jpg



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[trombonemaestro]

I know Muhammad and Daivari won last night, but does anyone see the irony that last week I think it was that Muhammad lost to Chris Jericho's move "Walls of Jericho"?

[3dman27]

This thread needs pics of Lillian

http://www.wwe.com/images/superstars/raw_profile/Lilian_Garcia_profile.jpg

http://www.wapl.com/prints_main/DSCF0105.jpg
QUOTE PAUL BEARER
OH YESSSS

[Savage]

I know Muhammad and Daivari won last night, but does anyone see the irony that last week I think it was that Muhammad lost to Chris Jericho's move "Walls of Jericho"?
lol. Oh crap!:D

[Sabretooth]

Whether people liked it or not,the Edge /Lita thing was the right thing to do.Lita is probably never going to be forgived,which is why she should've,and DID turn heel.Edge,who was already a heel, just earned himself a place in the main event,and got some REAL heat.People may not like the two,But they're about to put asses in the seats.Looks like their thing is going to be the reason I watch Raw just like I'll watch Smackdown for Eddie and Rey.:o

[John Constantine]

Exactly. It's a very poor thing to do and all that, but they really didn't have any choice. The fans were chanting "You Screwed Matt!" each time Lita and Edge appeared. It's never gonna go away. Hell, even HBK and Hebner still get those "You Screwed Bret" chants that the Screwjob was like 8 years ago.

Plus, this not only cements Edge as a true heel, this might also cement Kane as a huge face because fans are gonna want to see Kane totally destroy Edge in their feud....

[Go Web Go!]

Did anyone notice that Lita seemed a bit uncomfortable towards the end of the show? Anywho, it should be good to see Kane unleash hell although that seems to happen every few months only for him to slowly fade away...

[Sabretooth]

Yeah really.And what's funny is Edge seemed pretty comfortable with it.:D

[The Techno Bat]

omg..lastnite vince crossed the line...how dare he do that....to have that little slut do that...i'm so pissed right now...damn u lita damn u edge

I was more upset with Vince for knocking Randy Orton's hair cut

[The Techno Bat]

Exactly. It's a very poor thing to do and all that, but they really didn't have any choice. The fans were chanting "You Screwed Matt!" each time Lita and Edge appeared. It's never gonna go away. Hell, even HBK and Hebner still get those "You Screwed Bret" chants that the Screwjob was like 8 years ago.

Plus, this not only cements Edge as a true heel, this might also cement Kane as a huge face because fans are gonna want to see Kane totally destroy Edge in their feud....

How great would it have been if everybody in the arena got up and left after what Lita and Edge did, not reacting to any of it and feeding into it.

[John Constantine]

If only it were that simple. But in this day and age where fans still chant "You screwed Bret!" after 8 years, it's never going to happen.....

[The Batman]

John, As much as I think Kane could be the ultimate badass, i bet they're gonna let edge get the upper hand on him

I like the Lita/Edge thing. Because for one thing, the lame Kane/Lita marriage is over, and I really wanted to see WWe actually put these two together

[Lobo]

Where has Snitsky been?

[The Techno Bat]

What was the purpose of that Pillow Fight last night? And what was up with the delay when Christy got tossed out of the ring and then she was looking around for something to do? The whole thing was really dumb and uncalled for when there are guys in the back that could actually be in the ring wrestling, but instead we get this nonsense

[The Techno Bat]

Where has Snitsky been?

Good Question, but where ever he is, it's not my fault!

[Jason Blood]

Where has Snitsky been?
probably being retooled

[PyroChamber]

Is this whole thing with Viscera gonna be a regular thing from now on? It's like I said, they're starting to turn him into Sexual Chocolate 2.

[John Constantine]

John, As much as I think Kane could be the ultimate badass, i bet they're gonna let edge get the upper hand on him


That's true. But just imagine the pop Kane's gonna get next week on Raw when he costs Edge the title....

[John Constantine]

Where has Snitsky been?

Injured. A blood clot, I think. But he's cleared to return at anytime.

I wonder how he might figure into this Kane/Edge/Lita thing now....;)

[Donnie Darko]

I'm really more curious to see what happens with Jericho and Benjamin.

[Jason Blood]

Kenzo Suzuki is suffering from some sort of lung thing from what I hear

[Go Web Go!]

Injured. A blood clot, I think. But he's cleared to return at anytime.

I wonder how he might figure into this Kane/Edge/Lita thing now....;)

He's coming back to console Kane and provide a shoulder to cry on. I can see it now..."Kane, it's not your fault!"

[John Constantine]

That's such a horrible image.....:(

[3dman27]

Did anyone notice that Lita seemed a bit uncomfortable towards the end of the show? Anywho, it should be good to see Kane unleash hell although that seems to happen every few months only for him to slowly fade away...
acording to www. lords of pain.net ms dumas IS uncomfortable with it since its too close to home but shes doing it so she wont be demoted

[3dman27]

How great would it have been if everybody in the arena got up and left after what Lita and Edge did, not reacting to any of it and feeding into it.
come to think of it you're right

[Jason Blood]

this week's Smackdown looks pretty good

Matt Morgan is going to get a nice spot without having to squash jobbers for the rest of his WWE career

[angelus777]

I was right, LITA finally turned on KANE, this is great for the fans, people get to really hate her as the heel and fans get justice after what happened to matt. TO bad the fired MOLLY she could have had a huge push right now!!!

[3dman27]

actually nora greenwald /molly ASKED TO BE RELEASED of her own will for personal reasons

[kane9321]

What was the purpose of that Pillow Fight last night? And what was up with the delay when Christy got tossed out of the ring and then she was looking around for something to do? The whole thing was really dumb and uncalled for when there are guys in the back that could actually be in the ring wrestling, but instead we get this nonsense

Techno,I've asked myself the same question..the pillow fight was uncalled for and just plain stupid.I thought christy really got hurt from the fall from the ring to the floor"crap she didnt'.Then she gets up and starts lookin around like in a daze..i'm like wtf

[John Constantine]

this week's Smackdown looks pretty good

Matt Morgan is going to get a nice spot without having to squash jobbers for the rest of his WWE career

Yeah, just read the spoilers myself. Matt Morgan's new role is pretty good. Plus, it might create a new tag team for SD.....

[Go Web Go!]

Smackdown spoilers:

Scotty 2 Hotty def. JBL (via dq. Could they have found a more credible opponent?); Booker T def. Jindrak; Hedenreich def. Orlando Jordan (earsn a US title shot); Hardcore Holly def. Johnny Mercury (earns Tag Team title shot with Haas vs. MNM); John Cena def. the Bashams; and also the saga between Angle and Booker's girl continues. Yet again, I won't be watching.

[PyroChamber]

acording to www. lords of pain.net ms dumas IS uncomfortable with it since its too close to home but shes doing it so she wont be demotedWhat exactly could they demote her to, bikini contest and pillow fights?

Also, since Lita is now a heel do you think they'll push Trish to become a face again?

[John Constantine]

Most likely. She's been getting enough cheers as it is....

[hotrain33]

If the reason for the heel turn for lita was to punish her for the affair she had with edge. Is just plain moronic because let's be serious lita was getting booed each and every night. They had to change her so the wwe wouldn't look stupid. Remember when austin was a full fledged bad guy soon when the invasion angle was done fans started to cheer for him which pursuade the company to turn austin into a face.

[PyroChamber]

I remember that, or when Rock became a heel during the whole Hollywood thing. He had got injured for a month and when he made an appearence on RAW the crowd was cheering for him and really without him doing anything to became a face.

I guess some heel/face turns just don't work out like they should, remember when Triple H was a face for a while?

[3dman27]

What exactly could they demote her to, bikini contest and pillow fights?

Also, since Lita is now a heel do you think they'll push Trish to become a face again?
by "demotion" i mean keep her strictly on HEAT
as for trish now that molly's gone they'll probaby HAVE to make trish a face

[Lobo]

I want pics of Christy Hemme

[John Constantine]

hmmm....apparently UPN has moved Smackdown to Friday...:confused:

[Savage]

hmmm....apparently UPN has moved Smackdown to Friday...:confused:
You serious?! Wow that's stupid! Goodbye Smackdown.:(

[John Constantine]

It is pretty dumb. Smackdown was probably the highest rated show on UPN. I mean, honestly, what else is on that network?

And they get moved to the dead zone for Fridays :rolleyes: :mad:

I guess this means that UPN is definitely not gonna pick up the show again....

[3dman27]

are you sure its not a local delay in your veiwing area? for basketball maybe

[John Constantine]

No, it's officially pencilled in as Friday nights for the fall schedule:

Monday:

8pm - One On One
8:30pm - All of Us
9pm - Girlfriends
9:30pm - Half & Half

Tuesday:

8pm - Sex, Lies & Secrets
9pm - America's Next Top Model (repeat from the previous week)

Wednesday:

8pm - America's Next Top Model (new)
9pm - Veronica Mars

Thursday:

8pm - Everybody Hates Chris
8:30pm - Eve
9:00 - Cuts
9:30pm - Love, Inc.

Friday:

8pm - WWE Smackdown

So you can tell that UPN is just dumping on SD until their contract is up....

[3dman27]

i just read abot that at www.lordsofpain.net also i read former wwe diva gail kim is going to work at tna also they want cm punk back the mentioned that he left to a feinstein /roh incident what were the talking about?

[Twitch]

No, it's officially pencilled in as Friday nights for the fall schedule:

Monday:

8pm - One On One
8:30pm - All of Us
9pm - Girlfriends
9:30pm - Half & Half

Tuesday:

8pm - Sex, Lies & Secrets
9pm - America's Next Top Model (repeat from the previous week)

Wednesday:

8pm - America's Next Top Model (new)
9pm - Veronica Mars

Thursday:

8pm - Everybody Hates Chris
8:30pm - Eve
9:00 - Cuts
9:30pm - Love, Inc.

Friday:

8pm - WWE Smackdown

So you can tell that UPN is just dumping on SD until their contract is up....

So does that mean it won't be on tonight?

[John Constantine]

No, it's still on on Thursdays until like the fall season starts up....

[Jason Blood]

too bad they can't move smackdown to Wednesday

I get so bored between shows that I end up reading spoilers and ruining everything

[Sabretooth]

SD! needs to go live. People can go online the day before,know what happens,and not have to bother watching the show.If they went live,people would tune in more because they wouldn't know what is gonna happen on the show..

[John Constantine]

I don't even know why it doesn't go live right now anyways, what with the rosters split and all. Before the split, I could understand filming the two shows one day after the other to give the wrestlers more of a rest, but now, they don't have to worry about that :confused:

[Jason Blood]

they can have proper time to edit the show for current basic channel standards

oh yes the new Extra Cool Green Apple gum is as cool as Carlito

and Carlito...

is very cool

[John Constantine]

Yeah, that's the one thing about being on a network like UPN, they have to edit their content.

I'm hoping once Raw moves back to USA, SD might move there as well so they wouldn't have to worry about editing the content as much....

[Jason Blood]

http://www.wwe.com/superstars/raw/images/antonio.jpg

I just saw this

LMAO

[Twitch]

Yeah, that's the one thing about being on a network like UPN, they have to edit their content.

I'm hoping once Raw moves back to USA, SD might move there as well so they wouldn't have to worry about editing the content as much....

Is there a whole lot of cursing or something?

[John Constantine]

Not just cursing, just a lot of toning down of the show. It's probably why John Cena doesn't rap as much nowadays, because some of his rap stuff might not be seen suitable for a show that's on UPN...

Plus, they usually edit out the sequences involving blading. REmember when they replayed that Cena-Jesus match when Jesus was bleeding like hell? They had to put that sequence in black and white in order to downplay the blood. That doesn't happen as much on Raw.

[Twitch]

You mean to tell me that UPN killed the Cena we wanted to see how dare they.

[Savage]

Is there a whole lot of cursing or something?
Yes actually. Not to mention the blood. No F words or anything but I remember WWE used to be a lot more "risque" when they were WWF.

[Twitch]

Yes actually. Not to mention the blood. No F words or anything but I remember WWE used to be a lot more "risque" when they were WWF.

Yeah I remember Sable having a match with someone and she ripped her shirt off and I saw Breasts for a couple min. :cool:

[John Constantine]

Yes actually. Not to mention the blood. No F words or anything but I remember WWE used to be a lot more "risque" when they were WWF.

That had a lot to do with those ****ing Parent Council groups as well. Whenever the WWE tried to do something a bit risque, they immediately started screaming and *****ing. Lord knows why they don't just change the channel or something :rolleyes: :mad:

[Go Web Go!]

Smackdown on Friday? WTF...If they thought the ratings on Thursdays were bad, just wait until the Fall. What a stupid move. Who the hell is going to stay home on a Friday night to watch a wrestling show? (the lesser of the 2 major shows) Hell, they read the spoilers and if they don't like what they see then they're not going to watch. 2 suggestions: Keep it on Thursdays or move it to Wednesdays AND show it LIVE. That's why people watch RAW. Or atleast a big reason...

[Sabretooth]

I'll be pissed if it comes on the same time as Impact.:mad:

[John Constantine]

Smackdown on Friday? WTF...If they thought the ratings on Thursdays were bad, just wait until the Fall. What a stupid move. Who the hell is going to stay home on a Friday night to watch a wrestling show? (the lesser of the 2 major shows) Hell, they read the spoilers and if they don't like what they see then they're not going to watch. 2 suggestions: Keep it on Thursdays or move it to Wednesdays AND show it LIVE. That's why people watch RAW. Or atleast a big reason...

That's exactly why UPN is moving it to Friday. THey're gonna be dumping the show anyways, so might as well stick it in the dead zone.

I would love it though if the shows they brought on as replacements totally fail :up:

[John Constantine]

I'll be pissed if it comes on the same time as Impact.:mad:

TNA is supposedly getting a new tv deal anyways. WHich might mean they could move to Mondays against Raw....

[Sabretooth]

Damn Orlando Jordan needs a haircut...

[Donnie Darko]

ok, so when exactly did Heidenreich become a face? I mean, I remember watching a few weeks ago and being kinda surprised by it. How exactly did this happen?

[John Constantine]

I think it just came out of nowhere. Like all of a sudden he was being friendly and that's it...:confused:


Although now as a face, he's way creepier than he was as a heel...:(

[trombonemaestro]

Don't know if any of you are old enough to remember, but doesn't Heidenreich remind you of that guy who used to be on the Energizer commercials?

[Savage]

Don't know if any of you are old enough to remember, but doesn't Heidenreich remind you of that guy who used to be on the Energizer commercials?
HA! Yeah. I have that saved on my computer. I thought I was the only one who thought so.:D

[3dman27]

yes he does

[trombonemaestro]

HA! Yeah. I have that saved on my computer. I thought I was the only one who thought so.:D

just a question, do you remember that TV show he had? He had this awesome 18 wheeler that if I remember correctly, the cabin turned into a helicopter and there was a motorcycle or fancy sports car in the back.

[3dman27]

the highwayman

[Sabretooth]

I seriously want Cena's album to fail.Not just flop,I mean f**king tank.:(

[Go Web Go!]

You and me both

[3dman27]

i'm not interested in rap either but i must say i got a chucke from cena's video parodying the A team

[Super Kal]

is it just me, or is the WWE in a slump right now?

[3dman27]

yes the wwe IS in a slump

[Twitch]

But we still watch it.

[Go Web Go!]

is it just me, or is the WWE in a slump right now?

It's been in a slump for quite some time now...

[Sabretooth]

Of course they are,but they always pull me back in when I'm about to giv eup on them.

[John Constantine]

is it just me, or is the WWE in a slump right now?

There's always a period in which they're in a slump. Give them some time and they'll find a way to break out of it....

[The Techno Bat]

I have missed Smackdown for the past two weeks and you know what, I don't even care. If not for Flair vs Christian on RAW last week I probably wouldn't have even watched that. Oh ya and Big Viscera.

[The Techno Bat]

TNA is supposedly getting a new tv deal anyways. WHich might mean they could move to Mondays against Raw....

I heard that when the WWE goes back to USA that Spike TV is going to pick up TNA any truth to that?

[John Constantine]

I have heard that Spike TV is interested in picking up TNA. It would kinda fit if they did. It's much cheaper to pick up than the WWE, plus it could be a great start-up for the "new" Spike TV.

Other tv networks that might pick up TNA are WGN or maybe even TBS....

[The Techno Bat]

I have heard that Spike TV is interested in picking up TNA. It would kinda fit if they did. It's much cheaper to pick up than the WWE, plus it could be a great start-up for the "new" Spike TV.

Other tv networks that might pick up TNA are WGN or maybe even TBS....

Ted Turner looking to get back into wrasslin is he. Interesting

[The Techno Bat]

I just rememberd that Judgement Day is this Sunday and not really knowing the matches I went to the website to check them out:

WWE Championship
(C)John Cena vs. JBL *BORING*

Booker T vs. Kurt Angle *ONLY GOOD MATCH ON THE CARD b/c of Angle*

Rey Mysterio vs. Eddie Guerrero *How many more times are these guys going to go at it?*

Big Show vs. Carlito *Should be a funny match, nothing to take seriously*

WWE TAG TEAM CHAMPIONSHIP
(C)MNM vs. Hardcore Holly & Charlie Haas *Wait...WHAT?*

U.S. Championship
(C)Orlando Jordan vs. Heidenreich *The WWE is really stretching to fill the card with this match up*

[Jason Blood]

Not just cursing, just a lot of toning down of the show. It's probably why John Cena doesn't rap as much nowadays, because some of his rap stuff might not be seen suitable for a show that's on UPN...

Plus, they usually edit out the sequences involving blading. REmember when they replayed that Cena-Jesus match when Jesus was bleeding like hell? They had to put that sequence in black and white in order to downplay the blood. That doesn't happen as much on Raw.

they did that to play up the "brutality"

[trombonemaestro]

The WWE needs a good heel faction right now, and not just one on Raw, but one that encompasses both shows. There's an old saying in wrestling. It's only as good as it's bad guys.

[Caliber]

The WWE needs a good heel faction right now, and not just one on Raw, but one that encompasses both shows. There's an old saying in wrestling. It's only as good as it's bad guys.

I argge because I miss Evolution now. They were great and now Orton sucks as a heel and Batista isn't a very believable face.

[Carter]

I havent watched wrestling in years now.
But I remember thinking Kurt Angle was awesome

Kurt Angle is the man

[Caliber]

I havent watched wrestling in years now.
But I remember thinking Kurt Angle was awesome

Kurt Angle is the man

But now he harrasses Booker Ts wife. He recently made Shawn Michaels tap.

[Go Web Go!]

The WWE needs a good heel faction right now, and not just one on Raw, but one that encompasses both shows. There's an old saying in wrestling. It's only as good as it's bad guys.

That's why I say they should bring back the Right to Censor...

[Hunter Rider]

the heidenreich march is the ****tyist thing ive seen in 15 years watching wrestling,WTF are they thinking:mad:

i predict judgement day will be mediocre,Rey vs eddie should be the highlight with Angle pulling a decent match outve booker and carlto and Show providing some entertainment,It was smart to make the title match I Quit as it makes it easier for cena and JBL to be brutal and drag it out as in the ring neither is great

[3dman27]

That's why I say they should bring back the Right to Censor...
maybe you're right

[John Constantine]

they did that to play up the "brutality"

Did the WWE say that or something? Play up the brutality? :confused:

If anything, it downplays the brutality. I mean it's done all the time. It was done during the Crazy 88 fight scene in Kill Bill to downplay the extreme gore on it. I also see it done all the time in those WWE recap shows when someone blades.....

[John Constantine]

the heidenreich march is the ****tyist thing ive seen in 15 years watching wrestling,WTF are they thinking:mad:

i predict judgement day will be mediocre,Rey vs eddie should be the highlight with Angle pulling a decent match outve booker and carlto and Show providing some entertainment,It was smart to make the title match I Quit as it makes it easier for cena and JBL to be brutal and drag it out as in the ring neither is great

Most of the PPVs not part of the Big Four are pretty mediocre anyways. But this one has a couple of interesting matches. The Rey-Eddie match will probably be the best of the night. The Booker-Angle match might be pretty good, Kurt Angle's antics aside.

But why. the. ****. is it Heidenreich vs. Orlando Jordan for the US title? :mad: I mean of all the wrestlers they have on SD they choose those two to fight for the US title? :rolleyes: :mad:

[Hunter Rider]

Most of the PPVs not part of the Big Four are pretty mediocre anyways. But this one has a couple of interesting matches. The Rey-Eddie match will probably be the best of the night. The Booker-Angle match might be pretty good, Kurt Angle's antics aside.

But why. the. ****. is it Heidenreich vs. Orlando Jordan for the US title? :mad: I mean of all the wrestlers they have on SD they choose those two to fight for the US title? :rolleyes: :mad:

i agree,some of the Raw ones have been better though IMO,as for heidenreich ? im still confused as to why he is employed nevermind on ppv,they gave them tv time on SD that couldve gone to the cruiserweights:rolleyes: it's like Vis on Raw ,WTF are they smokin in the WWE board room:confused:

[John Constantine]

Well at least with Viscera he (currently) isn't fighting for the IC title. Plus, Vis' gimmick isn't as creepy as Heidenreich's gimmick right now :o :D

The US title division is so bland now though. It might have to do with the champion not actually defending the title for such long periods of time, or maybe even O.J being bland as hell, I honestly don't know....:confused:

[Hunter Rider]

Well at least with Viscera he (currently) isn't fighting for the IC title. Plus, Vis' gimmick isn't as creepy as Heidenreich's gimmick right now :o :D

The US title division is so bland now though. It might have to do with the champion not actually defending the title for such long periods of time, or maybe even O.J being bland as hell, I honestly don't know....:confused:

the problem with the US division i believe is orlandos hair:p they need to get the belt on Carlito i think

[John Constantine]

Not only is his hair a problem, but also his theme music. I heard that it's recycled theme music from an old WWE diva. I mean just imagine that. Your US champion has the theme music of a WWE diva :eek: :p

Yeah, Carlito should be US champion again. Especially since his first reign was cut short by his shoulder injury. I would like to see other wrestlers hold the US title though - Rene Dupree, Charlie Haas, Booker T, and maybe even Rey Mysterio.....

[Hunter Rider]

didn't know that about the theme music...how embarresing:D I'd love to see a carlito vs Rey feud for the US title,i think that could be a great combination

[John Constantine]

Yeah, that would be an interesting match. Plus it would help to elevate both of them in some way. I mean honestly, that sounds much better than the O.J-Heidenreich match we're currently getting.....

Seriously, what are they thinking....does anyone really want to see John Heidenreich as the US champion? I mean just seeing the two put together drives me mad enough. :confused: :mad:

[John Constantine]

You know, for all the complaining about how the Kurt Angle-Booker feud is with talks of "gutterslut" and "dirty animal sex", it could be far, far, far worse:

http://www.ytmnd.com/site_data//35000/35670/image.jpg

:eek: :eek: :( :(

[Donnie Darko]

wait... when was that? what was the storyline there?

[Savage]

wait... when was that? what was the storyline there?
I CONCUR!!!:eek:

[Hunter Rider]

Yeah, that would be an interesting match. Plus it would help to elevate both of them in some way. I mean honestly, that sounds much better than the O.J-Heidenreich match we're currently getting.....

Seriously, what are they thinking....does anyone really want to see John Heidenreich as the US champion? I mean just seeing the two put together drives me mad enough. :confused: :mad:

does anyone want to see Heidenreich at all ? honestly he is one of the biggest pieces of crapolla to come down the pipe in a long time,to think this guy gets a US title shot and Luther is let go:confused: :(

[John Constantine]

wait... when was that? what was the storyline there?

I don't even know...I just found the picture on another message board...but still, what a frightening image...:(

[John Constantine]

does anyone want to see Heidenreich at all ? honestly he is one of the biggest pieces of crapolla to come down the pipe in a long time,to think this guy gets a US title shot and Luther is let go:confused: :(

I dunno, Gene Snitzky is also a piece of crap (and I forgot they also gave him an IC title shot a few months back :eek: :( ), Chris Masters is also pretty worthless as well. It seems like a lot of those "big guys" from OVW aren't that good....

[Sabretooth]

Morgan's pretty good though...

[Donnie Darko]

someone PLEASE tell me why Lesnar is kissing Angle!

[Sabretooth]

someone PLEASE tell me why Lesnar is kissing Angle!
He was showing what the ''F'' in ''F5'' stands for.;)

[Jason Blood]

Judgment Day Match #1

MNM over Haas and Holly with the Snapshot

[John Constantine]

someone PLEASE tell me why Lesnar is kissing Angle!

He wanted to sleep his way to the WWE championship? :confused:

[Jason Blood]

Match #2

Carlito over Big Show (Morgan hit an F5)

[Donnie Darko]

this is just a mindblowing day for me

[Go Web Go!]

He wanted to sleep his way to the WWE championship? :confused:

Much like Triple H did, :(

[Jason Blood]

Match #3

London over Chavo with a 450

[Sabretooth]

It's gonna suck if JBL really quits tonight.SD! is gonna lose a major chunk by losing him.:(

[Go Web Go!]

They're not really quitting. It's an "I Quit" match as in "I give up", got it?

[Sabretooth]

They're not really quitting. It's an "I Quit" match as in "I give up", got it?
Oh.Holy *****.This entire time I thought they would be saying goodbye for good.Damn I feel stupid.:(

[Go Web Go!]

It's ok. We're all a little stupid...

[Sabretooth]

It's ok. We're all a little stupid...
I still want JBL to win and shut Cena's punk ass up.

[John Constantine]

Match #2

Carlito over Big Show (Morgan hit an F5)

hahahaha....an F5. That's ****ing great! :D

[John Constantine]

Much like Triple H did, :(

Well at least Triple H chose a better person than Lesner....:confused:

[Go Web Go!]

I would like for Lesnar to show up during an upcoming Show/Morgan match and just F5 them both.

[John Constantine]

Even if he did return, I doubt that'll happen. They'll probably "punish" Lesner by having him get humiliated by guys like Matt Morgan and maybe even Batista....

[Jason Blood]

Match #4

Booker T over Angle with a small package (wtf?)

[Jason Blood]

Match #5

Orlando Jordan over Heidenreich with a DDT

[Go Web Go!]

Wow. Judgment Day sounds like a total crap fest. I feel sorry for anyone that spends $50 to watch this garbage...

[Jason Blood]

I never watch PPVs

I might order WM one day or the Royal Rumble

no PPV is worth buying unless a good majority of the matches are worth watching

[John Constantine]

Wow. Judgment Day sounds like a total crap fest. I feel sorry for anyone that spends $50 to watch this garbage...

Is it 50 dollars? I thought these PPVs are normally only 30 dollars.

And yeah, all of the PPVs besides Royal Rumble, Wrestlemania, Summerslam, and Survivor Series normally suck.

I really wouldn't mind it if they cut down on the number of PPVs anyways. Most of the PPVs end up being about as good as the average Raw or SD show anyways....

[Jason Blood]

Match #6

Rey Mysterio over Eddie by DQ

EDIT

this will be my last for tonight

I've got exams next week so I need to get some rest

[Go Web Go!]

Is it 50 dollars? I thought these PPVs are normally only 30 dollars.


You're right. They're around $35. I was thinking 50 because that was what I saw a few months ago for WM21. Either way that's pretty damn pricy to watch something that isn't even guaranteed to be good.

[John Constantine]

That's probably why buyrates for those PPVs are normally very low. I mean, honestly, who would pay 30 dollars to see a Kurt Angle-Booker T match that was on SD a week ago? Or a John Cena-JBL "I Quit" match in which the outcome is painfully obvious? It's just not worth it.....

[Go Web Go!]

Yeah, I would be pretty upset if I pay that much to see a match only to see a rematch the next night on RAW or later that week on Smackdown. I never quite got that...

[The Techno Bat]

They should just have the DAMN draft tomorrow night on RAW!

[3dman27]

I never watch PPVs

I might order WM one day or the Royal Rumble

no PPV is worth buying unless a good majority of the matches are worth watchinggood point jason
btw did you read on the wrestling sites the possible reason dawn marie hasn't been on smackdown lately is because she's pregnant

[Jason Blood]

WWE.com says the draft will begin June 6th and end June 30th

there will be one pick a week per show, until the final week when each show will get two picks.

[3dman27]

i read something that says smackdown is being cancelled in six weeks it was on a site called wrestlescope.com

[Jason Blood]

I bet it's bull

why hold a draft if it does?

[3dman27]

maybe the draft storyline was written BEFORE the cancellation ,if it smackdown HAS been cancelled

[Lobo]

The ppv had its moments. Eddie vs Rey I thought was great. I'm glad I don't pay for these things though

[John Constantine]

i read something that says smackdown is being cancelled in six weeks it was on a site called wrestlescope.com

I don't really see that news anywhere else. Besides, the show has already been scheduled for Fridays in the fall.....that's as good as cancelled anyways :confused:

[Jason Blood]

I don't understand what's so bad about it moving to fridays?

why doesn't UPN just end it's damn contract with the WWE?

[Jason Blood]

I bet you Edge uses his title shot right after his match is over (DQ or something) so he can win it

maybe...

[Go Web Go!]

I don't understand what's so bad about it moving to fridays?

You don't? It's Friday. Who stays home on a Friday night to watch a crap wrestling show when you can read the results and find out what happens before hand?

[John Constantine]

I don't understand what's so bad about it moving to fridays?

why doesn't UPN just end it's damn contract with the WWE?

Fridays is the dead zone for tv....seriously. People would rather go out on Fridays than stay home and watch tv.

I mean, look at ECW's show. TNN put that on a Friday night and it failed miserably.....

And technically, UPN's contract with the WWE is up next year anyways. They're just putting it on Fridays to dump it.

[The Techno Bat]

WWE.com says the draft will begin June 6th and end June 30th

there will be one pick a week per show, until the final week when each show will get two picks.

that is really silly to do it that way. Just put the brands back together and give RAW a three hour show and give Smackdown a 2 hour slot.

[Sabretooth]

Am I the only one who finds heel Lita just incredibly sexy?

[Donnie Darko]

Am I the only one who finds heel Lita just incredibly sexy?

I was actually thinking that exact same thing.

But is it just me (and I don't know, cuz I've never actually watched myself kissing anyone), but does Edge look really... stupid when he's kissing Lita?

[The Ghoul]

I found that segment completley distastful. If last week was rubbing it in Matt Hardy's face, then this interveiw was their way of pissing on him. If you listen to that interview & change Kane to Matt would you be able to tell the difference? It's bad enough his best friend stole his girl. It's worse when he loses his job for talking about it. But, the least WWE can do is show enough respect to keep it out of the show. What they are doing is dispicable & makes me sick.

[Sabretooth]

I was actually thinking that exact same thing.

But is it just me (and I don't know, cuz I've never actually watched myself kissing anyone), but does Edge look really... stupid when he's kissing Lita?
Yeah he sorta sucks at kissing.He's trying to lick the inside of her mouth while he kisses her lip.

[Sabretooth]

I found that segment completley distastful. If last week was rubbing it in Matt Hardy's face, then this interveiw was their way of pissing on him. If you listen to that interview & change Kane to Matt would you be able to tell the difference? It's bad enough his best friend stole his girl. It's worse when he loses his job for talking about it. But, the least WWE can do is show enough respect to keep it out of the show. What they are doing is dispicable & makes me sick.
Yeah,but as much as it sucks,it's buisness(sp?).It's the ''gossip'' behind the scenes.And we all know Vince will do anything for those precious ratings.Even bringing in personal things....

[Sabretooth]

Wait a minute,wait a minute,did I just hear CHEERS for Chris Masters?:eek:

[The Ghoul]

Sence they are doing this really gay ECW funeral; do you think that this is the start of the pre-ppv ECW Revolution? Like, while Bischoff is going on about ECW & what not Tommy Dreamer comes in & attcks him & then (BAM!) all these ECW wrestlers come in & beat the **** out of Bischoff.

[Sabretooth]

Sence they are doing this really gay ECW funeral; do you think that this is the start of the pre-ppv ECW Revolution? Like, while Bischoff is going on about ECW & what not Tommy Dreamer comes in & attcks him & then (BAM!) all these ECW wrestlers come in & beat the **** out of Bischoff.
I'm not sure,but I heard Paul Heyman is there at Raw tonight.So,some sort of invasion thing might happen.:confused:

[The Ghoul]

Wait a minute,wait a minute,did I just hear CHEERS for Chris Masters?:eek:

No, that was accually one giant consecutive yawn. whe it's done in stereo like that it sounds like screams.

[Donnie Darko]

I like quite a few people on SD, but they really need the help from the draft. However, I'm gonna be sad if these Raw stories cut off short (Benjamin/Jericho, Edge's hardcore ass hole push, etc).

[Sabretooth]

Oh god they're gonna use The Undertaker's music for the funeral.:(

[Sabretooth]

I like quite a few people on SD, but they really need the help from the draft. However, I'm gonna be sad if these Raw stories cut off short (Benjamin/Jericho, Edge's hardcore ass hole push, etc).
They could always have him cheat on lita and start another ******* angle.;)

[Donnie Darko]

I wonder if they're actually gonna go through with this Christian to Smackdown angle and have him feud with Cena.

[Sabretooth]

I wonder if they're actually gonna go through with this Christian to Smackdown angle and have him feud with Cena.
He better.Only problem is Edge and he wouldn't be able to team up until they're on the sam eshow again.:(

[Donnie Darko]

ok, does anyone know ANY details of the Shane Douglas ECW ppv? I really want to get one, and right now it's looking like it's gonna be the WWE one.

[The Ghoul]

God seeing Paul E. on tv again puts a twinkle in my eye.

[Sabretooth]

Benoit looks like he just hulked out.

[JINoside]

The Coach just got violated on National TV:o.......

[Donnie Darko]

it was like Heidenreich and Michael Cole all over again.

[Donnie Darko]

damn it, I wasn't on the Hype, and I tried to get back here in time to call the low blow before it happened, but I was too late

[Savage]

The Coach just got violated on National TV:o.......
That was class.:D

Wow, H looks pretty badass right about now. Although I wanted Edge to win. Why can't anyone I like be champion?:(

[Sabretooth]

Anybody else notice that HHH dropped his gum on Batista's face?:D

[LastSunrise1981]

That was class.:D

Wow, H looks pretty badass right about now. Although I wanted Edge to win. Why can't anyone I like be champion?:(

Why can't anyone other than HHH feud with Batista?

Oh wait, I forgot, this is the WWE and no one other than HHH or his buddies can be champion. I guess being married to Stephanie McMahon has boosted his ego.

Great. Now H will be champion again. :rolleyes:

[trombonemaestro]

is anyone surprised with Flair's low blow?

[Go Web Go!]

Didn't watch. What did I miss, guys? Break it down for me, ;)

[PyroChamber]

I actually liked the ECW "funeral" segment: Vince McMahon, Eric Bischoff, and Paul Heyman in the same ring talking about ECW, WWE, and WCW. Priceless!

2 things though...1) Was that thing about Vince backing ECW from the start really true? and 2) am I the only one who thinks Lita sucks at mic skills?

[John Constantine]

Why can't anyone other than HHH feud with Batista?

Oh wait, I forgot, this is the WWE and no one other than HHH or his buddies can be champion. I guess being married to Stephanie McMahon has boosted his ego.

Great. Now H will be champion again. :rolleyes:

Apparently not....it's kinda ****ing boring having Triple H always the focus of the WWE title though. I mean the rosters have been split for like 2-3 years by now. And during that entire time, it's always been Triple H who's the focus of the title hunt. I really want to see some new blood fight for the title sometimes....And not just a new champion. I want to see a full Batista-Edge feud or a Batista-Christian feud or Batista-Benoit or anything.....

[John Constantine]

is anyone surprised with Flair's low blow?

Not really. How many times have we seen a Ric Flair tease a face turn and then turn on the other guy?

Honestly, I've lost count after the millionth time (literally) that it was done.

[John Constantine]

ok, does anyone know ANY details of the Shane Douglas ECW ppv? I really want to get one, and right now it's looking like it's gonna be the WWE one.

Shane Douglas' PPV can't be called ECW due to copyright purposes. It's probably gonna be called something like Hardcore Reunion. It's probably gonna be the closest to what ECW really was. Plus, they'll probably have guys like Raven and Jerry Lynn on that show. Not to mention the other ECW wrestlers who are booked on the WWE one..

[angelus777]

what was with the JINDRAK comment by CHRISTIAN???

[Donnie Darko]

did anyone else catch the comment by Jim Ross that last week had the highest Raw ratings in over a year? Do yall know what last week was missing? Triple-H.

[3dman27]

i watched most of raw till after the viscera /lilian bit anybody thing the wwe's gonna try a viscera/lilian /maria triangle storyline?

[kane9321]

wow

[kane9321]

no tooth you werent the only one,hehe i was like "damn shes even hotter now".But what she and edge are doing is a total slap in the face to matt hardy which isnt cool at all

[kane9321]

i watched most of raw till after the viscera /lilian bit anybody thing the wwe's gonna try a viscera/lilian /maria triangle storyline?

now THAT i would like to see^^^

[Go Web Go!]

2) am I the only one who thinks Lita sucks at mic skills?

Nope. She's always been horrible. It's much better when she doesn't speak. Her manly voice is a bit of a turnoff.

[Savage]

did anyone else catch the comment by Jim Ross that last week had the highest Raw ratings in over a year? Do yall know what last week was missing? Triple-H.
LMAO!:D:up:

[Savage]

Nope. She's always been horrible. It's much better when she doesn't speak. Her manly voice is a bit of a turnoff.
And her manly chin for that matter. She has this weird Superman/Mr.Incredible thing going for her.

From the neck down she's hot.
They've got to stop handing her the mic though. Hell, they need to stop handing alot of Divas the mic.

[trombonemaestro]

personally, Lita has never looked better. I liked the ECW funeral segment. What if Eric Bischoff gets his group together to go after the ECW PPV and it's mostly guys not even in WWE. What if he recruits Sting and some others? Just a what if, not likely, but it would be cool as hell to see Sting go all "Crow" on Sabu.

[John Constantine]

what was with the JINDRAK comment by CHRISTIAN???

I dunno, I've just never been a huge Jindrak fan. That guy is bland as hell...plus it seems like everybody he's paired with usually disappears from the WWE after a while: Sean O'Haire, Sean Stasiak, Garrison Cade, now Luther Reigns......

[Lobo]

did anyone else catch the comment by Jim Ross that last week had the highest Raw ratings in over a year? Do yall know what last week was missing? Triple-H.


heh :D

[Sabretooth]

I wish HHH would've waited a little longer to return.He would probably get more cheers that way,but nooooo let's have another PPV main event with the same two guys.It really should've just ended at Wrestlemania.

But,I can't say I'm impressed with SD! Heavyweight divison either.JBL and John Cena just don't make that great of a feud.And they need to get some new blood in there as well.Maybe The Undertaker could turn heel and add some spice to it...

[John Constantine]

Honestly, if Triple H regains the title belt in the Hell in the Cell match.....:mad::mad:

[Sabretooth]

Honestly, if Triple H regains the title belt in the Hell in the Cell match.....:mad::mad:
You can bet your ass he will.Once there's a decrease in interest for Batista,it's pretty obvious.It doesn't help they're doing next to nothing with him.He was MIA during the Gold Rush Tournament,except for when we saw him watching it,and all he does is defend the title against people who of course he beats very easily.

Plus,isn't HHH like undefeated in HIAC?That won't help Batista either...

[LastSunrise1981]

Apparently not....it's kinda ****ing boring having Triple H always the focus of the WWE title though. I mean the rosters have been split for like 2-3 years by now. And during that entire time, it's always been Triple H who's the focus of the title hunt. I really want to see some new blood fight for the title sometimes....And not just a new champion. I want to see a full Batista-Edge feud or a Batista-Christian feud or Batista-Benoit or anything.....

Same as me Constantine. I think of all the wrestlers who could've/should've been champion and HHH killed off their heat, popularity, and buried them into the endless abyss obscurity.

I think of RVD, Booker T, Kane, Jericho, and Steiner who would've been much better/more exciting champions than HHH. I don't know about anyone else, but I'm tired of hearing 20 minute rants from HHH and I'm tired of seeing him hogging up tv time.

I watched RAW last night and found out about Batista/HHH in Hell in A Cell. Why is it HHH gets another shot? Who did he beat to get another title shot?

More and more I see HHH is only doing this to feed his ego. He wants to break the number of times Flair has held the title, which is selfish on his part, but it doesn't say much about Vince who is the boss.

The WWE knows it doesn't have competition, so they're going to shove HHH down our throats until TNA or Ring of Honor gets a tv deal.

I want to see an Edge/Jericho feud, Edge/Batista, Benoit/Jericho, Christian/Batista, Christian/Benoit, Batista/Benoit, and why not throw Shelton Benjamin into the mix?

[LastSunrise1981]

Honestly, if Triple H regains the title belt in the Hell in the Cell match.....:mad::mad:

What I don't understand is why is he getting another shot? Who did he beat to even garner a title shot?

There is a reason why interest in Batista declines. It's because the fans KNOW that HHH is getting the belt back, so what's the point in getting behind a new champion? Especially when Ego H will be getting it back eventually.

[John Constantine]

No idea. Technically, he lost in the Gold Rush tournament in the first round to Chris Benoit, so if anything, Benoit should be getting a title shot, not him.....

Unless Bischoff is pissed at Batista since Batista is always ribbing him, but even that is stretching it a bit.....

And yeah, I totally agree. Everytime a new champion gets crowned on Raw, it's never about the new champion, it's always about Triple H's quest to regain the championship title. It's just not fun watching it anymore really.

[brainchild81]

Same as me Constantine. I think of all the wrestlers who could've/should've been champion and HHH killed off their heat, popularity, and buried them into the endless abyss obscurity.

I think of RVD, Booker T, Kane, Jericho, and Steiner who would've been much better/more exciting champions than HHH. I don't know about anyone else, but I'm tired of hearing 20 minute rants from HHH and I'm tired of seeing him hogging up tv time.

I watched RAW last night and found out about Batista/HHH in Hell in A Cell. Why is it HHH gets another shot? Who did he beat to get another title shot?

More and more I see HHH is only doing this to feed his ego. He wants to break the number of times Flair has held the title, which is selfish on his part, but it doesn't say much about Vince who is the boss.

The WWE knows it doesn't have competition, so they're going to shove HHH down our throats until TNA or Ring of Honor gets a tv deal.

I want to see an Edge/Jericho feud, Edge/Batista, Benoit/Jericho, Christian/Batista, Christian/Benoit, Batista/Benoit, and why not throw Shelton Benjamin into the mix?Good post.

[Donnie Darko]

here's what I say... if (WHEN) HHH wins the title back, they need to give him a long run, not a lot of short runs that add to his total. Now, during this title reign, they need to build up a face and have him work his way to the title. Make the face go through Hell and back to get his shot (which could even be put off til Wrestlemania). Then, when the time comes, and the face has been built up (think Shawn Michaels leading up to Wrestlemania XII), have him win the title and have his own long reign, with HHH feuding with someone else (like a ready-to-retire Flair).

[John Constantine]

They could've done that with Randy Orton....if they didn't decide to just fast-track his face turn and title win.

I wouldn't mind seeing that happen with Hunter though...but the problem is, even if they do find a face to build up, it wouldn't be about the face and his goal to win the championship, it would just be about Triple H and his quest to keep the World's Title.

What I liked about the WWE before was that the previous main eventer always made way for the next up-and-comer. Bret Hart gave way to Shawn Michaels. Then Shawn Michaels gave way to Stone Cold Steve Austin. Stone Cold Steve Austin gave way to The Rock. The Rock gave way to Mick Foley (and to an extent Kurt Angle). And then Stone Cold, The Rock, and Mick Foley all gave way to Triple H. It seems like that's where it's stopped now. I would love to see someone like Batista or Orton become the person to next carry the company, but for now, I just don't see it happening....

[Bad Superman]

Originally Posted by Donnie Darko
did anyone else catch the comment by Jim Ross that last week had the highest Raw ratings in over a year? Do yall know what last week was missing? Triple-H.

You know, last night's show was awesome until Triple H's ego ruined the show's ending. The ratings proved the fans want something new, instead of Triple H's Super-God-All Mighty title reigns.

I can't believe this guy can't face the fact that the fans are fed up with his crap. I wonder why Vince is letting his son run fans interest down.



PS-Nice to know my fellow SHH posters enjoy wrestling. I'll visit more often. :up:

[Bad Superman]

What I don't understand is why is he getting another shot? Who did he beat to even garner a title shot?

There is a reason why interest in Batista declines. It's because the fans KNOW that HHH is getting the belt back, so what's the point in getting behind a new champion? Especially when Ego H will be getting it back eventually.

And that's exactly why Randy Orton got screwed big time. He could've been comparable to the Rock's heel championship persona, but NO, Triple H wants to be the top heel in WWE. Just when Orton was about to take things to the next level Triple H screws him big time. I totally agree with you that Triple H getting another shot has no reason behind it. He has been "beat" by Batista (twice), J.R. (I loved that one) and Chris Benoit.

If Triple H regains the title I will stop watching. I've done it before, I won't have a problem doing it again.

[SLYspyda]

mark jindrak was awesome last week SD with his bit with booker t's wife, i was laughing out loud, he's gonna be pretty big pretty soon.

raw last night was the best ive seen in a while. it was the first time batista actually had some competition being he was up against edge, christian, tomko, and lita. and i did not anticipate flair giving him the low blow, but i was glad he did, i can't stand a face flair.

anyone who thinks lita isn't hot is retarded, nothing wrong with her face. but why is all the heat on lita? lita wasn't married, edge was the one that just got married, but they're both at fault. and i do not know why the hell the WWE is condoning it. can't wait till Trish gets back, she's very entertaining.

[Sabretooth]

I'd love to see someone like Edge carry the company.He reminds me so much of HBK when he was his age.(When he was an *******) and he could be a great main eventer if they didn't have him getting squashed by Batista and have him b**ching 24/7.

As much as I'd love just about every midcarder on Raw to be the future of the WWE,HHH will live long after he's retired.I bet ANY money that Vince is gonna let HHH own the company when Vince is done.Which is sad really,because he puts his son-in-law in front of his actual son.:(

[John Constantine]

There's absolutely no doubt that once Vince retires, it'll be Triple H and Stephanie who'll take over the company. I mean who else is gonna do it? Shane? He really doesn't have the aggressiveness his father has.

And remember when Vince suffered that serious injury after Royal RUmble? Who was in charge backstage during that time? Triple H and Stephanie. Shane was nowhere to be seen....

[Sabretooth]

Dammit.Why didn't Shane sleep with Stephanie?:(

[John Constantine]

..........that's just not right :(

[Hunter Rider]

I missed Judgement Day,my PPV provider screwed up:( doesn't sound like i missed much,I just read the results and What was up with Booker beating Angle ? he beats a legend in HBK and then loses to a mid carder:confused: :rolleyes:
also the finish to the JBL/Cena match sounds mind numbingly bad

[Donnie Darko]

Honestly, at the beginning of Raw last night, when Edge was cutting his promo, it felt for the first time that there was a new top heel, even if for a moment. It felt great.

[Jason Blood]

I payed no attention to Edge's boooring promo

I saw Lita on screen and hit the mute button

[Donnie Darko]

how do you know it was boring if you had it on mute? good job

[The Ghoul]

I know he is very popular in here. (That's mostly because we look beyond what's on tv) But I have been noticing Christian getting some praise from the audience as well (& anyone who has been to a WWE event know how much more casual fans than hardcore) I respect that a lot more when a heel proformer accidently becomes fan facorites. As ironic as it sounds that means they're doing something right. Also I think (I am a little biased here but it's still a good point.) Stevies should have beaten Chris Masters last night. they could set up a fued for the PPV. It would a great oppritunity to shine their new & old (but underused) talent. I am not a Chris Masters fan but if you are going to have them fued at least try & interest us with something. If they had a segment where stevie broke the full nel- I mean master lock. have Masters get pissed & set up for a match. You have the potential to do something new & you waste it.

[LastSunrise1981]

Shane is more interested in pushing the future of the WWE. Which is why I like Shane a lot more than Vince, Ego H, and Stephanie.

Shane was more interested in guys like Rob Van Dam, Angle, Edge, Christian, Mysterio, Batista, Cena(Like him or hate him, he's the future), Jericho, Benjamin, The Rock, and etc, etc.... The problem is Vince is so hell bent on keeping his son-in-law at the top, yet, he never seems interested in pushing the future of the company.

Vince and Ego H think the "heat" that HHH draws is heel heat. No, it's not heel heat. In fact, it's basically groans and moans whenever he shows up and people are fed up with him.

I wouldn't mind him if he let others have long reigns, and THEN regained the belt after proving himself.

And whoever said HHH needs another long run is wrong. That's the LAST thing we need to see. We already saw it when he was given the belt the first time, but, if he wins at the next PPV then I'm giving up on WWE until something changes. I'll be more content watching TNA or getting some ROH tapes until they wake up.

[Donnie Darko]

I may have been wrong in saying he NEEDS another long title run, but he IS going to win the title again sooner or later. I for one would much rather him have one long run instead of 3 short ones, killing the heat of other wrestlers that are built for a couple months then dropped back to midcard. If he were to hold the belt for a long time, it would allow them to develop a younger talent that could use his rise to the top as a way to truly establish himself as a true superstar, the future of the business. This is what should have been done with Orton. Smackdown as been a lot better about this, allowing Cena to work his way up, even though it could have been done a lot better.

[brainchild81]

personally, Lita has never looked better. I liked the ECW funeral segment. What if Eric Bischoff gets his group together to go after the ECW PPV and it's mostly guys not even in WWE. What if he recruits Sting and some others? Just a what if, not likely, but it would be cool as hell to see Sting go all "Crow" on Sabu.Not to me. I never liked "Crow" Sting. I wanna see Sting get back to his roots. Other than that, I'd like to see Sting Vs. Sabu

[John Constantine]

I may have been wrong in saying he NEEDS another long title run, but he IS going to win the title again sooner or later. I for one would much rather him have one long run instead of 3 short ones, killing the heat of other wrestlers that are built for a couple months then dropped back to midcard. If he were to hold the belt for a long time, it would allow them to develop a younger talent that could use his rise to the top as a way to truly establish himself as a true superstar, the future of the business. This is what should have been done with Orton. Smackdown as been a lot better about this, allowing Cena to work his way up, even though it could have been done a lot better.

The problem really isn't Triple H holding the belt for long periods of time or developing talents. It's what's done with the champion after Triple H loses the belt that's the huge problem. They don't seem to have confidence that any wrestler but Triple H can carry the show, thus they always have to have Hunter in the mix of things. Just imagine if Chris Benoit were allowed to continue on with feuds with other wrestlers besides Triple H during his title reign. He could've held the belt as a convincing champion for a longer time IMO.

I mean building up talent for a year while Triple H holds the title won't do anything if that talent isn't allowed to come into his own afterwards....

[The Ghoul]

Now I am a HHH fan & always have been; but I am inclined to agree with you. I believed HHH's return was too soon & is a way to keep certain wrestlers down. If you remeber, HHH's highest peak as a main eventer wasn't when he had the belt, but when he returned from his injury as a face. I believe HHH can still spear head the show with out the belt or a quest for the belt. He just needs a different more personality based story. If the Rock was still wrestling I would say they could recindle their old Nation/dX fued from the glory days of the ancient era known as 1998. (the IC ladder match at summerslam '98 is still a classic to me as well as best 2 out of 3 at KOTR '98.) Or maybe if Ric Flair didn't stay heel he could fued with HHH with a simple yet intriguing story of H's #1 yesman grows some balls & stands up for himself.

[John Constantine]

Actually, I thought Triple H was at his peak before his injury, when he was constantly feuding with the likes of Stone Cold, The ROck, Mick Foley, and even Kurt Angle at times. After his injury, he put on a bit too much weight and he just didn't seem to be as good of a wrestler as he was before.

I honestly wouldn't mind seeing a Triple H-Flair feud in the future as well. And that's a feud that really doesn't need the title to garner some interest. The two could just fight and fans would love it. But considering how many times Flair keeps teasing a face turn and then they stop it immediately, it's looking a lot like the Boy Who Cried Wolf sometimes.....

[Donnie Darko]

The problem really isn't Triple H holding the belt for long periods of time or developing talents. It's what's done with the champion after Triple H loses the belt that's the huge problem. They don't seem to have confidence that any wrestler but Triple H can carry the show, thus they always have to have Hunter in the mix of things. Just imagine if Chris Benoit were allowed to continue on with feuds with other wrestlers besides Triple H during his title reign. He could've held the belt as a convincing champion for a longer time IMO.

I mean building up talent for a year while Triple H holds the title won't do anything if that talent isn't allowed to come into his own afterwards....

The point of what I'm saying is that if they give someone time to build up heat and popularity, the WWE will be much more likely to trust them as a legit headliner for the company. By just throwing guys in for short or sudden title reigns, the WWE doesn't allow them to prove themselves to the fans BEFORE they get the belt. If they would've given Batista just a little more time to build some steam, there would be no question about whether or not he can carry the company. Look at Shawn Michaels, he chased the title for a long time, and there was a HUGE build up to his first title win, and when he won, there was no doubt about whether or not he could be "the man." Right now it seems like they're just letting people step in and hold the belt for their #1 guy, Triple H. They need to build a NEW #1 guy, and that takes time.

[LastSunrise1981]

The point of what I'm saying is that if they give someone time to build up heat and popularity, the WWE will be much more likely to trust them as a legit headliner for the company. By just throwing guys in for short or sudden title reigns, the WWE doesn't allow them to prove themselves to the fans BEFORE they get the belt. If they would've given Batista just a little more time to build some steam, there would be no question about whether or not he can carry the company. Look at Shawn Michaels, he chased the title for a long time, and there was a HUGE build up to his first title win, and when he won, there was no doubt about whether or not he could be "the man." Right now it seems like they're just letting people step in and hold the belt for their #1 guy, Triple H. They need to build a NEW #1 guy, and that takes time.

HBK? You do realize HBK was a master politician at one time, plus he was bound to be champion eventually, and remember, during HBK's first title win there wasn't anyone like HHH around to keep him down.

HBK, HHH, Kevin Nash, Scott Hall, and X-Pac are master politicians,hence why they were called "The Clique".

If HBK had someone like HHH back in the day, then there's no way he would've came close to being the legend that he is. Once again, the problem lays on Vince and why he won't step in and fix the issue.

Think about all those who got pushed and forgotten about; Rob Van Dam, Jeff Hardy, Chris Jericho, Kane, Steiner, Batista(Soon to be), Booker T, Benoit, and am I forgetting anyone else? Those are the main ones that were pushed to dethrone Ego H and then were buried into forgotten land.

Did you know that when Austin was around he would keep Ego H from interfering into booking meetings? That's one of the reasons Austin left the WWE at first, because he didn't like the direction and was getting sick of H's growing politics.

It was also reported a while back, that RVD was supposed to beat H for the heavyweight title and Vince had already approved of it, and guess what happens? Ego H throws a fit and says "You can't do that", so he ends up making RVD look bad and keeps the belt stapled to his waist.

Once again, I'm not too fond of Batista or Randy Orton being champions either. You ask why? Because it ALL revolves around Evolution and Evolution revolves around Ego H, so guess what? No matter who's champion, the show will always be considered "The HHH show". I don't want anything bad to happen to HHH, but something or someone needs to smack him back down to Earth.

[3dman27]

quote last sunrise1981
"ego h"quote
LOL i like it

[Hunter Rider]

HHH isn't any different to Hogan and Austin when it comes to being on top,WWE finds a formula thats sell's tickets and stick with it until the wheel's fall.HHH is where he is cos he is the best at what he does.The other difference is he actualy does put other wrestlers over,Hogan never did and Austin even as a heel wouldn't lose fair and square to Angle,Hell the only match he lost fair and Square was to the Rock at WM 19 and even then it took 3 Rock bottom's to fell the mighty Austin:rolleyes: plus it meant nothing as Austin was retiring and the Rock was leaving to do movies/

The future of the WWE isnt that bright right now,SD hasn't had a decent champ since Eddie lost the belt,both Cena and JBL are 80% gimmick 20% talent,Shelton is the most gifted athlete on the show right now but he needs some personality,Edge is fast becoming mr repetition and Batista is 39 so there is no future there.Benoit and Y2J need to be utilised more as both have credibility and in Y2J's case,charisma,The 2 best hope's however are Christian and Randy Orton,both posses great in ring talent,personality and mic skills.

We do need some change i agree but what john said earlier is true,the WWE just don't have the confidence in these other guys to carry the show,There is no excuse however for the time consuming waste of viscera and Heidenreich

[Bad Superman]

Whooops. . . . RAW ratings had a huge drop. . . .and coincidentally guess who showed up at the end of the program with the stupid sledgehammer????

From Wrestling Inc.com:

Final WWE RAW Rating - Horrible Drop In Numbers

By Matt Boone, WrestlingInc.com Staff

Coming off last week's impressive 4.3 cable rating, which is the best number WWE has done for RAW in years, this week's show didn't exactly see as much success in the ratings department.

Last night's edition of WWE RAW scored a 3.6 cable rating, with a 5.3 share. The show did hours of just 3.3 and 3.8, incredibly lower than last week's hourly breakdown.

I agree with you LastSunrise1981. All the wrestlers you mentioned have been either screwed or held back by Ego H. His victims: Rob Van Dam (who had a couple of title shots and was traded to Smackdown, Angle (also trade to Smackdown) , Edge (just take a look at how the show ended "establishing" Triple H as the top heel. . . AGAIN), Christian (another talented wrestler and top heel candidate held back), Batista (compare the air time he gets with the air time Ego H gets. . .), Jericho (oh. . . remember his famous title win over Ego H where the referee reversed the decision because Ego H said so??), The Rock (the outcome of their matches says it all). Booker T (was supposed to win the title at WM XIX, but guess who refused to lose the title to him?)

When all this talent is held back, how can you give another wrestler a chance to carry the company? I remember sometime last year Ego H ran out of opponents and WWE brought Goldberg. . . . we know what happened).

I just think about WM XX's motto: Where it all begins again. . . . A year later and things haven't changed.

[Savage]

I'm beginning to guess that the title holder is decided by a simple game of air hockey and Triple H is just really good at it. I mean that's how Seth Greene gets all his guests on Robot Chicken...Come on. It's possible. There's no way that Vince would just allow this guy to stay champion for so long only because he's his son in law. I mean the crowd and audience reactions must say it all. Just saying maybe it's possible that H keeps kicking his ass in air hockey.

[Donnie Darko]

I'm really at the point where I hope HHH has an injury that takes away hs ability to wrestle... and talk. I say his ability to talk because even if he couldn't wrestle, they would allow him 20 minutes of promo time and he's still find a way to be the top heel, even though he doesnt wrestle.

[Sava]

HHH isn't any different to Hogan and Austin when it comes to being on top,WWE finds a formula thats sell's tickets and stick with it until the wheel's fall.HHH is where he is cos he is the best at what he does.The other difference is he actualy does put other wrestlers over,Hogan never did and Austin even as a heel wouldn't lose fair and square to Angle,Hell the only match he lost fair and Square was to the Rock at WM 19 and even then it took 3 Rock bottom's to fell the mighty Austin:rolleyes: plus it meant nothing as Austin was retiring and the Rock was leaving to do movies/



:mad:....Austin was AWESOME IMO :(...

[0neDisturbedSOB]

Austin IS the best.

[John Constantine]

Austin was not bad, but he did a lot of burying of talent as well....remember Kane's title reign of a whole day?

Although, he happened to break out in a period in which the WWE produced a lot of main eventers - The Rock, Mick Foley, Triple H, Kurt Angle - so he really doesn't seem to be looked upon as bad as Triple H or Hogan are....

[Pink Ranger]

HHH isn't any different to Hogan and Austin when it comes to being on top,WWE finds a formula thats sell's tickets and stick with it until the wheel's fall.HHH is where he is cos he is the best at what he does.The other difference is he actualy does put other wrestlers over,Hogan never did and Austin even as a heel wouldn't lose fair and square to Angle,Hell the only match he lost fair and Square was to the Rock at WM 19 and even then it took 3 Rock bottom's to fell the mighty Austin:rolleyes: plus it meant nothing as Austin was retiring and the Rock was leaving to do movies/




Come to think of it, you're right. I've never noticed it before, but Austin is the only major star of the 1990s that never paved the way for the next guy to follow him. Bret Hart and Michaels helped put over Austin, Undertaker helped put over Foley, Foley and Rock put each other over and in turn both helped put over HHH. HHH has done his best with Orton and Batista, but you can only do so much with the tools at your disposal.

[The Techno Bat]

A couple weeks ago when HHH was not on the show RAW had it's highest rating in a very long time of I think it was a 4.9 or something, so that is saying something.

[John Constantine]

Come to think of it, you're right. I've never noticed it before, but Austin is the only major star of the 1990s that never paved the way for the next guy to follow him. Bret Hart and Michaels helped put over Austin, Undertaker helped put over Foley, Foley and Rock put each other over and in turn both helped put over HHH. HHH has done his best with Orton and Batista, but you can only do so much with the tools at your disposal.

Well to be honest, I always thought that Stone Cold and the Rock help pave the way for each other, who then helped pave the way for Mick Foley.

Or you could say Stone Cold helped pave the way for Vince McMahon...:o :D

[Hunter Rider]

Well to be honest, I always thought that Stone Cold and the Rock help pave the way for each other, who then helped pave the way for Mick Foley.

Or you could say Stone Cold helped pave the way for Vince McMahon...:o :D

I always thought that HHH/The Rock helped each other ,from the IC feud in 98 to all the world title matches between the 2 in 2000 when Austin was injured and the main event scene improved,Rock then went on to put over Angle,Austin was already a star when Rock hit the big time through his feud with HHH in the IC division,Austin used him to get a main event feud for WM-15,notice how Austin nearly always won when they clashed,Austin never dropped the belt to him.Austin was another guy that was mostly gimmick,just cos he was popular doesn't make him good

[John Constantine]

Yeah, that could be it as well. I agree with you there, though, that Austin always seemed to dominate when he was on top. Hell, remember that one Wrestlemania match when he wouldn't job to Scott Hall and that totally ****ed over the roster split?

[Hunter Rider]

yep,he made Hall look weak at WM-18 and through that the NWO lost any momentum as a force,plus look when he wouldn't lose the belt to RVD and Only dropped it to angle for 3 weeks in 2001

[Donnie Darko]

WWE seems to want "the next Stone Cold" or "the next Rock" and I think it's pretty clear that Christian is the the next Rock. The Rock was a midcarder who got by on his exciting ring work and excellent mic skills. Fans latched on to him as a heel, forcing WWE to turn him into "the man." This same thing is happening with Christian.

[Bad Superman]

WWE seems to want "the next Stone Cold" or "the next Rock" and I think it's pretty clear that Christian is the the next Rock. The Rock was a midcarder who got by on his exciting ring work and excellent mic skills. Fans latched on to him as a heel, forcing WWE to turn him into "the man." This same thing is happening with Christian.

As long as Ego H is in control, no one will get the chance to get to that level. Randy Orton anyone? He's the perfect example.

I think this guy wants to either tie or surpass Ric Flair's 16 World title mark. It's ridiculous. He's forcing things in his favor so fans think he's the modern day version of Ric Flair. IMO he's failed miserably. He'll never achieve Flair's level of greatness nor will he remembered as a wrestling icon such as Hogan, The Rock and Austin.

Changing the subject, I wonder if ECW will emerge again as another WWE brand or will the PPV will truly be a "One Night Stand".

[John Constantine]

If the PPV proves to be extremely popular, I wouldn't be surprised to see ECW become a bit more permanent.....

[Hunter Rider]

Thr reason the game has stayed on top so long is cos there isn't anyone coming through good enough to hold the main spot,He is no more ego driven and selfish than austin or Hogan or indeed Flair in his time.Untill WWE get Orton built up again there isn't anyone to push,look how crap the 2 current champs are,.Even Vince said he made them both chmpion as there wasn'yt anyone available at the time

[John Constantine]

That's probably because they really haven't given any wrestler a real try as someone who could stand alone.

I mean look back at 1998-2000. The Rock was crowned champion at that point. Before that, he was nothing more than a midcarder at best. Sure, he was over as hell, but he never really wrestled at the main event until then. Could you have imagined what had happened if they had let Austin win the title back a month later....or decide to keep the Rock in the backburner? Or how about when Mick Foley won the title a little while later? Or even when Kurt Angle won the title.

Imagine if they would've let Orton keep the belt for longer than a month. Sure the first little while would've been a bit slow, but he would've eventually found his niche as a main event face IMO....

[Hunter Rider]

Orton was badly managed by the company,they made him face way to quick,he shouldve been a heel champ with evolution,with HHH simmering in the background and then do the turn and set up the HHH/Orton face turn from there,they rushed it and messed it up