Wrestling

[Hunter Rider]

But when Hogan was good, Shawn was still in diapers ;)

Seriously, this match is just a way for the WWE to get more buyrates on their PPVs. People will look at the card and see "OMG!!! Hogan is fighting Shawn Michaels!! I must get the PPV now!!!".


Or at least that's what the WWE hopes will happen :o

Hogan was ever good ?:eek: :p
The rest you say is true im just really pissed off with the things wwe have done,from Cena(whore champ) to the draft to the cuts and the HBK heel turn is just another tool in the Cena gameplan:rolleyes: .If he was gonna be a cocky arrogant heel then just maybe something could be salvaged but mark my words ,HBK-the bible bashing preacher heel is on his way:down :mad:
Im just sticking to SD for a while at least Lesnars return should be good

[John Constantine]

Hogan was ever good ?:eek: :p
The rest you say is true im just really pissed off with the things wwe have done,from Cena(whore champ) to the draft to the cuts and the HBK heel turn is just another tool in the Cena gameplan:rolleyes: .If he was gonna be a cocky arrogant heel then just maybe something could be salvaged but mark my words ,HBK-the bible bashing preacher heel is on his way:down :mad:
Im just sticking to SD for a while at least Lesnars return should be good

Most of it was done to save/make money. They had to cut a lot of the roster because they lost a lot of money. And yeah, having Cena has their champion was also a monetary thing because they can put his name to a lot of products and hope to bring in money.

Is he really going to be a bible-basher? From the impression I got on Raw, I saw it was Shawn getting tired of Hogan taking the spotlight. Remember what preceded the superkick....Shawn wanted to do the posedown on one side of the ring, but Hogan wouldn't have it and did the posedown on another side. I'm thinking it might mean the return of "trying to gain the spotlight" HBk.....

[Lobo]

Lets not forget that they're promoting Hogans reality show.

[Hunter Rider]

Most of it was done to save/make money. They had to cut a lot of the roster because they lost a lot of money. And yeah, having Cena has their champion was also a monetary thing because they can put his name to a lot of products and hope to bring in money.

Is he really going to be a bible-basher? From the impression I got on Raw, I saw it was Shawn getting tired of Hogan taking the spotlight. Remember what preceded the superkick....Shawn wanted to do the posedown on one side of the ring, but Hogan wouldn't have it and did the posedown on another side. I'm thinking it might mean the return of "trying to gain the spotlight" HBk.....

Well maybe,i just get the feeling from his last interview that religiously he wouldn't feel comfortable playing the heel the way he used to,i think they'll play the Bible angle and use Hogans reality show as "imoral" or some garbage like that
Yeah your right about the cuts involving money but when they cut talent like Haas and Kidman and keep utter garbage like Heidenreich,Vis,Snitzky and Masters i just think they frankly suck
part of the money was also to pay Lesnar,that'll make him even more populaer in the locker room:D

[John Constantine]

Well maybe,i just get the feeling from his last interview that religiously he wouldn't feel comfortable playing the heel the way he used to,i think they'll play the Bible angle and use Hogans reality show as "imoral" or some garbage like that
Yeah your right about the cuts involving money but when they cut talent like Haas and Kidman and keep utter garbage like Heidenreich,Vis,Snitzky and Masters i just think they frankly suck
part of the money was also to pay Lesnar,that'll make him even more populaer in the locker room:D

Maybe. We'll just have to see what HBK says on Raw this week. I mean you never know, the real reason could be that he wants to get it on with Hogan's daughter :eek: :D

I think the reason why those pieces of crap were kept was because most of them are involved in some kind of angle. But it totally, totally sucks that Masters and Heidenreich are gone while Matt Morgan is released. But then again, why settle for a Brock Lesner clone when the real thing is coming back? ;)

[Hunter Rider]

Maybe. We'll just have to see what HBK says on Raw this week. I mean you never know, the real reason could be that he wants to get it on with Hogan's daughter :eek: :D

I think the reason why those pieces of crap were kept was because most of them are involved in some kind of angle. But it totally, totally sucks that Masters and Heidenreich are gone while Matt Morgan is released. But then again, why settle for a Brock Lesner clone when the real thing is coming back? ;)
now that would be classic heel HBK:cool:
I was more pissed about Haas in truth,i mean Vis and air time are just plain wrong in the same sentence:p :)
Lesnars return is the only interesting thing going on with WWE right now IMO

[John Constantine]

I was a bit disappointed over Morgan because he was one of the few big men out there who could actually wrestle and I was actually digging his gimmick. He seemed to have been one of those guys that Vince absolutely loves. I mean honestly, they keep Tyson Tomko, Chris Masters, and John Heidenreich and release Matt Morgan? I would actually like some of the stuff they're smoking when they made that decision :up:

Lesner's return is interesting because it changes up everything in SD. It provides another heel for the show plus the feud with him and Batista might be a bit interesting. The only thing is, now SD has at least 4 or 5 guys who might main event heel - Lesner, JBL, Eddie Guerrero, Randy Orton, and Hassan. It might create a logjam.....

[White_Howling]

two big dumb animals in the ring!! YEAH YEAH

bastista vs lesner!!

[brainchild81]

Lesner has wrestling skills near Angle level.

[The Techno Bat]

I was a bit disappointed over Morgan because he was one of the few big men out there who could actually wrestle and I was actually digging his gimmick. He seemed to have been one of those guys that Vince absolutely loves. I mean honestly, they keep Tyson Tomko, Chris Masters, and John Heidenreich and release Matt Morgan? I would actually like some of the stuff they're smoking when they made that decision :up:

Lesner's return is interesting because it changes up everything in SD. It provides another heel for the show plus the feud with him and Batista might be a bit interesting. The only thing is, now SD has at least 4 or 5 guys who might main event heel - Lesner, JBL, Eddie Guerrero, Randy Orton, and Hassan. It might create a logjam.....


I can see Booker T going the heel route again, after his loss to Chris Benoit.

I agree /\/\att /\/\organ was a keeper, it isn't his fault they stuck him with a dumb gimmick, a rip off of the Bubba Dudley character. He was strong, and had agility, speed and some great power moves. It really is a shame, hopefully he will turn up in TNA or over in Japan

[The Techno Bat]

two big dumb animals in the ring!! YEAH YEAH

bastista vs lesner!!

Batista is improving in the ring, I love it when he slams somebody down hard on the canvas and he pops right back up. The only thing I worry about is when he does that sit out powerbomb he might tear a hamstring or something. Perhaps he should just do a Stand Up Powerbomb or switch it up to a Spine Buster...

I hate the fact that Lesnar is coming back, he absolutely S**ked on the microphone! Heidenrich is better on the mic than Brock!

[Sabretooth]

Omfg I'm glad to be back.My damn electricity went out and I counldn't get online!:mad:

What's new?

[Hunter Rider]

Omfg I'm glad to be back.My damn electricity went out and I counldn't get online!:mad:

What's new?

15 releases from wwe icluding Hass and the Dudley boys,HBK being degraded,and Raw being made into the Cena show...oh and Brock Lesnars back

[DOG LIPS]

As long as they keep Lesnar away from the mic he will be fine. :up:

[Sabretooth]

15 releases from wwe icluding Hass and the Dudley boys,HBK being degraded,and Raw being made into the Cena show...oh and Brock Lesnars back
Haas?????

NOOOOOOOO!!!!!!! :mad: :(

[John Constantine]

At least this gives Haas a chance to go to TNA and really showcase his stuff. It might be blessing in disguise.


That's provided TNA does decide to pursue Haas though :o :(

[U.S War Machine]

Raw being made into the Cena show!? you got to be kidding me

[Lobo]

When is lesnar supposed to make his new "debut"?

[Jason Blood]

I don't know if he has officially signed yet

[Sabretooth]

Is it me or did the Undertaker have the funniest look on his face when Hassan did the Camel Clutch on him?I was laughing for 5 minutes straight :D

[TheVileOne]

TNA can really capitalize on all the talented performers WWE just canned. All those people they fired so they can pay for Lesnar and Hogan.

2 weeks to their next 35 dollar PPV and they can only announce 3 matches. That's pretty pathetic.

[John Constantine]

Hey, what's WWE's loss is going to be TNA's gain. Remember how Austin broke out. He was supposed to be the next big star in WCW, but Hogan didn't like him, so he got **** on. They released him and he wound up in WWF and look what happened.

The same could happen with TNA if they sign the right wrestlers....

[3dman27]

Is it me or did the Undertaker have the funniest look on his face when Hassan did the Camel Clutch on him?I was laughing for 5 minutes straight :D
maybe 'taker[being in character] had that look cause he thought it ironic that someone'd try to "garrote a "dead man

[TheVileOne]

Hey, what's WWE's loss is going to be TNA's gain. Remember how Austin broke out. He was supposed to be the next big star in WCW, but Hogan didn't like him, so he got **** on. They released him and he wound up in WWF and look what happened.

The same could happen with TNA if they sign the right wrestlers....

Definitely. Rhyno and Matt Hardy are all but confirmed to appear at No Surrender. Rhyno was NEVER used properly by WWE after he returned from his neck injury. Matt Hardy was fired for no reason. WWE did everything in their power to keep him off TNA television because throughout this whole bull**** Edge/Lita/Kane thing, the crowd has only been chanting one name, and that's Matt Hardy.

They should pick up the Dudleyz to fill out their tag team division. And also Shannon Moore and Akio (who was in TNA as one of the Flying Elvises a while back) for the X division.

With a TV deal pending, TNA could have its strongest roster ever come this fall.

In the meanwhile, WWE's next over-priced PPV is looking like garbage, while TNA's PPV looks like fried gold. I don't even know why people are still watching WWE...its just crap.

[3dman27]

Definitely. Rhyno and Matt Hardy are all but confirmed to appear at No Surrender. Rhyno was NEVER used properly by WWE after he returned from his neck injury. Matt Hardy was fired for no reason. WWE did everything in their power to keep him off TNA television because throughout this whole bull**** Edge/Lita/Kane thing, the crowd has only been chanting one name, and that's Matt Hardy.

They should pick up the Dudleyz to fill out their tag team division. And also Shannon Moore and Akio (who was in TNA as one of the Flying Elvises a while back) for the X division.

With a TV deal pending, TNA could have its strongest roster ever come this fall.

In the meanwhile, WWE's next over-priced PPV is looking like garbage, while TNA's PPV looks like fried gold. I don't even know why people are still watching WWE...its just crap.in my case vileone the wwe is all i can get
tna no longer has a tv show and my budget doesn't allow to by streaming internet video or ppvs

[White_Howling]

I don't know if he has officially signed yet


did u read his article in wwe.com

man soo cocky.. telling all the stars to beware.. hes too young to have too much ego in the buisness.. and how long has he been wrestling? a couple of years before he ditched the job

[TheVileOne]

in my case vileone the wwe is all i can get tna no longer has a tv show and my budget doesn't allow to by streaming internet video
TNA will be back on TV soon hopefully. And their PPV's are still miles better than WWE.

[3dman27]

cant afford ppv either unfortunately

[Sabretooth]

maybe 'taker[being in character] had that look cause he thought it ironic that someone'd try to "garrote a "dead man
:confused: Or maybe he just looked funny

[3dman27]

any ideas who the wwe will dump next? my guess is eugene

[Sabretooth]

In yet another update on his website, Matt Hardy continued his assault on Edge. It definitely seems that WWE failed to patch up relations with Hardy, as his recent columns have been far more vitriolic.

"How many times do you think my FCF, Feces, will be married before he is forty? My guess is 11. At the pace he's going, he's right on track. Be careful if you run into him with your girl present, because he falls in the most incredible love of all time every 10 minutes or so. And then he falls out of the most incredible love of all time every two to three months," Hardy said.

Hardy also noted that of all the happy memories he has of his friendship with Edge, the negative memory - Edge sleeping with Lita and "costing his job" - is the one that stands out.

The former WWE star also virtually confirmed a debut with TNA.

"And if the WWE talent relations department has a problem with me slandering one of their "top" stars, I guess you can just fire me or stop paying me or tell me that creative doesn't have anything for me. Oh yeah, you already did--oh well, they love me in Orlando."

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I'm sorry if I sound like an ass,but Matt Hardy needs to STFU and ****ing move on and get over this.''Wahhh wahhh I got backstabbed by my friend and girlfriend!WAhhhhh!'' Well you know what Matt?Welcome to life.And the more he shows he pissed off at Edge and Lita,the more WWE's gonna screw with him.

[TheVileOne]

**** WWE, they obviously tried and failed to get him back already. They are scared ****less of the notion of him appearing on TNA television. Fans are totally crapping on the Edge/Lita situation and siding with Matt. The only name they are chanting during those God forsaken crappy ass TV angles is Matt Hardy.

Why should Matt shut up? He's just using his website to vent and rant, that's no different than what a lot of us do hear. He's not going around to other websites complaining about it, he's doing it on his own, if there isn't a better use for the internet . . . I don't know what it is :) .

[LastSunrise1981]

**** WWE, they obviously tried and failed to get him back already. They are scared ****less of the notion of him appearing on TNA television. Fans are totally crapping on the Edge/Lita situation and siding with Matt. The only name they are chanting during those God forsaken crappy ass TV angles is Matt Hardy.

Why should Matt shut up? He's just using his website to vent and rant, that's no different than what a lot of us do hear. He's not going around to other websites complaining about it, he's doing it on his own, if there isn't a better use for the internet . . . I don't know what it is :) .

From what I heard, Matt has a new girlfriend. I don't know if his girlfriend would be happy to hear that he's still complaining about Lita.

In his defense though, it wasn't his fault and it's not like he came out right after it happened and spoke on it. Some of them were nosey fanboys/girls on his website who kept on asking him and so forth, so he answered and the WWE fired him for speaking out on the situation. I don't think what the WWE did was right, but then again, they're hypocrites and they only punish certain wrestlers that aren't on their good list.

JBL, Ego H, Chris Masters, and Heidenreich can slaughter a group children and they'll get a fairy slap on the wrist.

[TheVileOne]

From what I heard, Matt has a new girlfriend. I don't know if his girlfriend would be happy to hear that he's still complaining about Lita.

In his defense though, it wasn't his fault and it's not like he came out right after it happened and spoke on it. Some of them were nosey fanboys/girls on his website who kept on asking him and so forth, so he answered and the WWE fired him for speaking out on the situation. I don't think what the WWE did was right, but then again, they're hypocrites and they only punish certain wrestlers that aren't on their good list.

JBL, Ego H, Chris Masters, and Heidenreich can slaughter a group children and they'll get a fairy slap on the wrist.
I think WWE is just pissed they didn't get any money for Matt Hardy talking trash, like they did with Flair.

[Jason Blood]

nothing to do until RAW comes on tomorrow

WWE needs to quit doing goddamn recap shows and give us wrestling on the weekends again

I actually like Velocity

[3dman27]

nothing to do until RAW comes on tomorrow

WWE needs to quit doing goddamn recap shows and give us wrestling on the weekends again
:spidey:
I actually like Velocityi prefer heat myself as for the recap show situation,
i concur completely did anyone catch the last part of heat last night?[ i was eating dinner at the time] did they say if the were returning to their regular fomat next week or will they keep doing recap shows till the new season in september when their spike contract expires?

[Ultimate_Superman]

So Lita left Matt after talking about how in love she is with him and all?

[TheVileOne]

They have to keep doing recap shows since they basically fired all the people who wrestle on Velocity and HEat.

[Jason Blood]

They've been airing damn recap episodes, because they're cutting costs by doing Supershows

[3dman27]

so for all intents and puposes they have cancelled heat by revamping its remaining eps into recap shows
i've just about ready to give the wwe a couple more weeks before dropping it altogether

[Ultimate_Superman]

I use to respect Lita but now I don't she is just like Trish and Sable sleeping their way around the WWE

[The Techno Bat]

Brock Lesnar is a babbling Moron and I hope the WWE doesn't sign him!

[Angelus103]

why is Y2J leaving

[Sabretooth]

I wonder if when Trish comes back she'll be face?'Cause since Lita and Victoria are the major women heels,it's sorta be odd to have them all as heels

[Ultimate_Superman]

Not really they did it with Stone Cold and Triple H and it worked. I swear that Two Man power trip showed so much promise after what they did to Lita and the Hardy's they were going to be a force to be reckon with but Triple H got hurt before they could take off.

[TheVileOne]

Jericho is leaving because he's tired of wreslting on HHH's show. He's accomplished all his goals, and there's really nothing left for him to do either.

But he's definitely tired of wrestling on HHH's show too :) .

[John Constantine]

Where does it say that he's leaving the WWE....I've read nothing of the sort so far. :confused:

[Jason Blood]

Where does it say that he's leaving the WWE....I've read nothing of the sort so far. :confused:
I haven't seen anything about him leaving

[John Constantine]

Yeah, me neither. It would be cool if he actually does leave for TNA. Plus the lighter TNA schedule can be beneficial for him. But something tells me he probably wouldn't leave the WWE to sign with TNA.....

[Jason Blood]

Yeah, me neither. It would be cool if he actually does leave for TNA. Plus the lighter TNA schedule can be beneficial for him. But something tells me he probably wouldn't leave the WWE to sign with TNA.....
he'd go on tour with his band

I wish he'd quit the music stuff, as nobody really listens to Fozzy anyway

[John Constantine]

Isn't he doing that at the moment anyways?

Plus, if he quits with the music, how are people going to make fun of Fozzy then? :( ;) :D

[Sabretooth]

Fozzy would be better if they didn't always play ''Don't you wish you were me'' whenever they show up on Raw

[Jason Blood]

Raw is too long away

I'm so bored:(

[Sabretooth]

Raw is too long away

I'm so bored:(
Only reason I'm tuning in tonight is for heel HBK,oh and no HHH!:D :up:

[Jason Blood]

HOLY CRAP, PIPER!!!

:eek:

[Twitch]

This is why Smackdown shold be live. Carlito is going to hopefully lose the title to Bengiman with a distraction from Y2J (Y@J) :up:

[Jason Blood]

HAHAHA

JR asked if they were still supposed to be quiet during Master's intro

[Jason Blood]

Tajiri wrestled a GREAT match

the HBK blooper was funny, but then again he knew how to cover up for it

[Sabretooth]

Why was HBK talking to the camera :confused:

[Sabretooth]

Tajiri wrestled a GREAT match

the HBK blooper was funny, but then again he knew how to cover up for it
What blooper?:confused:

[DOG LIPS]

How did Hawk die? :confused:

[Twitch]

Tajiri wrestled a GREAT match

the HBK blooper was funny, but then again he knew how to cover up for it

What was the blooper?

[DOG LIPS]

The blooper was him walking too fast for the camerman I guess. :confused:

[Sabretooth]

Damn.Edge got a short haircut

[DOG LIPS]

Damn.Edge got a short haircut
He looks weird. Like Jericho. :(

[Sabretooth]

Yeah :(

And that foot fetish is disgusting :(

[DOG LIPS]

Edge touched Snitsky's tongue. :(

[Sabretooth]

Edge touched Snitsky's tongue. :(
It wasn't his fault :(

[DOG LIPS]

You see, they knew HHH was getting boring and old, so they put him out for a few months so they could bring him back later as a face. :D

[DOG LIPS]

It wasn't his fault :(
Ha ha...Poor Snitsky.


...How did Hawk die?

[Sabretooth]

Ha ha...Poor Snitsky.


...How did Hawk die?
No idea

[Donnie Darko]

ewww... Lita has evolution toe.

but anyways, my friend who has like never watched wrestling watched the first half hour of Raw with me, so I had to like tell him how bad Masters sucks like as he was walking to the ring. Then he picked up that Tajiri actually had skills. I told him "watch, the Japanese guy is gonna carry the match and make it watchable, then they're gonna do something really stupid to end the match and let the guy with no skills win because he has no moves and can't win without a dumb ending" and I was right

[DOG LIPS]

No idea
This was all I could find. Pretty sad.

By now, everyone knows about the death of Hawk. He died in his sleep on Sunday, October 19th. Word is, he had been having heart problems for over ten years, some would speculate having been caused by years of steroid abuse.

[Sabretooth]

This was all I could find. Pretty sad.

By now, everyone knows about the death of Hawk. He died in his sleep on Sunday, October 19th. Word is, he had been having heart problems for over ten years, some would speculate having been caused by years of steroid abuse.
Oh.JR was saying some crap about how ''he couldn't conquer his demons'' :rolleyes:

[Sabretooth]

Damn.Wonder if the camera could've been any farther away during that Bischoff and Cena segment.:rolleyes:

[DOG LIPS]

You know.... I think RAW is kind of boring tonight, but without HHH, it seems like a whole different show. I'm not saying that's a bad thing. ;)

[Sabretooth]

still got cena though :(

[DOG LIPS]

Yeah, Cena is being forced to replace Rock/Stone Cold/HHH/Doink and it's not working. :mad:

[Sabretooth]

Yeah, Cena is being forced to replace Rock/Stone Cold/HHH/Doink and it's not working. :mad:
Funny he calls Y2J cheap when Cena's the one with that chinky peice of crap title on his shoulder

[Sabretooth]

I can't believe this.Cena's threatening Bischoff?I hate how he can get away with anything.

[DOG LIPS]

"Damn, dawg yoo gunna get doity if'n yas don'ts chillz, holmes, Foo."

[DOG LIPS]

I can't believe this.Cena's threatening Bischoff?I hate how he can get away with anything.
That's the Stone Cold part of his character.

[Sabretooth]

That's the Stone Cold part of his character.
Yeah,well I hate clones.And I LOATHE Steve Austin clones :mad:

[DOG LIPS]

He works the crowd JUST like the Rock, he defies authorita like Stone Cold, and he keeps the title like HHH. But he's a clown like Doink. :p

[Sabretooth]

He works the crowd JUST like the Rock, he defies authorita like Stone Cold, and he keeps the title like HHH. But he's a clown like Doink. :p
Hahahahahahahahaha :D

There's no way he'll ever have the awesomeness Stone Cold and Rock had though.But his time'll come.People will stop cheering for him,and eventually WWE will run out of crappy merchandise for him.

[Donnie Darko]

He keeps the title like HHH? He is on his first title run. Saying he keeps the title like HHH is easily the overstatement of the year.

[Sabretooth]

You know that's the stuff I don't get.Why does he get away with FUing the GM?Especially when anyone else would get suspended or something.

[Jason Blood]

Cena on RAW is like a fish out of water

[DOG LIPS]

He keeps the title like HHH? He is on his first title run. Saying he keeps the title like HHH is easily the overstatement of the year.
Yeah, I'm sure he's going to lose it to Y2J. :rolleyes:

Stone Cold and the Rock got away with beating on the GM.

[Sabretooth]

He keeps the title like HHH? He is on his first title run. Saying he keeps the title like HHH is easily the overstatement of the year.
How?He's exactly like Hogan was back then or HHH was in 2003.Never puts anyone over,has next to no wrestling skills.And somehow people go ape**** for his ****** ass

[Jason Blood]

Yeah, I'm sure he's going to lose it to Y2J. :rolleyes:

Stone Cold got away with beating on the GM.
not as long as Cena's shirts sell

[Sabretooth]

Yeah, I'm sure he's going to lose it to Y2J. :rolleyes:

Stone Cold and the Rock got away with beating on the GM.
Yeah but,Austin and Rock were actually cool :(

[Sabretooth]

not as long as Cena's shirts sell
That's the name of the game.Though him and HHH are supposedly feuding soon.Hope HHH buries his stupid ass.

[Sabretooth]

Alexis????

*gets on knees*


NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[DOG LIPS]

Darth Vader: NNNNOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

[Sabretooth]

Darth Vader: NNNNOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
I meant to say that,but I was too sad to type it :(

[DOG LIPS]

Yeah, it hurts. :(

[Sabretooth]

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha Earl got pwned :D

[Sabretooth]

Summer's an LSU graduate?

Screw Alexis,Summer's my new favorite along with Ashley :mad:

[DOG LIPS]

I want that girl to win. :up::up:

(The one that pwn3d Earl)

[Jason Blood]

Alexis????

*gets on knees*


NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

agreed

[DOG LIPS]

Kick his ass, Piper. :mad::up:

[Donnie Darko]

Cena is on his first title run... he has held the title, what, 3 months? Hogan held the title for like 4 years or something like that during the peak of Hulkamania. HHH loses the belt every few months but wins it right back. Cena is a company product, not someone who has major backstage stroke. The company is the one pushing him. It's not him bossing everyone around.

[John Constantine]

Cena is on his first title run... he has held the title, what, 3 months? Hogan held the title for like 4 years or something like that during the peak of Hulkamania. HHH loses the belt every few months but wins it right back. Cena is a company product, not someone who has major backstage stroke. The company is the one pushing him. It's not him bossing everyone around.

Yep. Basically the WWE saw something in John Cena to be WWE's next big star. It was most likely the intensity he's displayed since his debut. The WWE knows that they see something marketable with Cena. Hence the reason why they make him out to be invincible and all that.

[Sabretooth]

Whoa is that really the guy that called in sick?

[Donnie Darko]

Angle really needs to win the WWE title sometime (maybe WM 2006) and build up a long feud for him and Benjamin to culminate at WM 2007.

[Jason Blood]

OMG

the WWE needs to sign Matt Striker

[Donnie Darko]

I was about to be so pissed.

[Sabretooth]

Hardy!





****ING MATT HARDY!!!!!!!! OH MY ****ING GOD!

[Donnie Darko]

did I just see that right? oh my...

[Jason Blood]

Hardy!





****ING HARDY!!!!!!!!
WHAT?!!?

[Sabretooth]

edit

[Sabretooth]

WHAT?!!?
Matt returned and beat the **** out of Edge?How could you miss it?

[Sabretooth]

WHAT?!!?
Matt returned and beat the **** out of Edge!How could you miss it?

[Jason Blood]

Matt returned and beat the **** out of Edge?How could you miss it?
I saw Kane and I went to my computer:(:(:(

[John Constantine]

Kinda suspected that with the way Edge was showing that wedding footage earlier....

[The Batman]

I doubt it. Probably a look alike

[Sabretooth]

*multiple nerdgasms forming....*

























































*climaxes*

[Capt Throbberson]

Was that just Matt Hardy?

[Sabretooth]

I doubt it. Probably a look alike
They showed his face :confused: It was him.

[Jason Blood]

It's gotta be a trick!

The Boogeyman

WTF???

[Donnie Darko]

it was a VERY GOOD look alike then

edit: this was in response to a post on the last page

[Sabretooth]

Was that just Matt Hardy?
Bet your ass it was.

[Capt Throbberson]

**** yeah

[Sabretooth]

It's gotta be a trick!

The Boogeyman

WTF???
Boogeyman?:confused:

[Jason Blood]

Edge's hair looks better...

[Sabretooth]

Edge's hair looks better...
He looks like Jericho

[Jason Blood]

Boogeyman?:confused:
Vignette

[Donnie Darko]

come on Matt...

[PyroChamber]

Funny how they seem to be completely ignoring what just happened.

DAMN NEVERMIND!!!

[Sabretooth]

There he is again!

[Sabretooth]

Go Matt!

[The Batman]

Oh Crap

It WAS him

[Jason Blood]

Matt ****ing Hardy!!!

[Sabretooth]

Oh Crap

It WAS him
I told ya so :D

[Donnie Darko]

screw John Cena, Matt Hardy is officially the most over wrestler in WWE

[Sabretooth]

Sorta odd how JR and King aren't saying anything.And with the way he was calling Edge Adam,just seemed a little odd

[Donnie Darko]

I think WWE is trying to pass it as a complete shoot

[The Batman]

I-I dont think this is fake...

[Sabretooth]

screw John Cena, Matt Hardy is officially the most over wrestler in WWE
Cena's a poser who's chants are nothing but a shadow to those of Matt's


I take back what I said about Matt being a crybaby.I want him to destroy Edge now.

[Donnie Darko]

I guess we don't have to worry about Cena burrying Edge any time soon. He's on someone else's list.

[Sabretooth]

I-I dont think this is fake...
Yeah.I didn't like how JR and them ignored the whole thing,I just don't know :(

[John Constantine]

I think WWE is trying to pass it as a complete shoot

Yep. They had Matt mentioned ROH and everything.

Man, their match is gonna be intense :eek:

[Capt Throbberson]

Yeah, but he called Lita, Lita. It was scripted

[Jason Blood]

I-I dont think this is fake...

Okay

Kane beat Snitsky into the stands like 10 seconds before he came out

it was STAAAGED AND I ****ING LOOOVE IT

[Sabretooth]

I don't even care about the thing with HBK,I wanna know more about this situation with Edge/Lita/Matt

[John Constantine]

I-I dont think this is fake...

I think it is. The WWE is trying to blend reality with their angles now. It rings very similar to the JBL-bWo match on SD last week.

They're just setting it up so it feels like Hardy really did get screwed over and he's had enough.

Pretty damn brilliant if you ask me :up:

And if it really were real, don't you think they would've had security around Edge after he got attacked by Matt the first time? :confused:

[GuardianofOa]

That was insane!!!!!!!! Ha, that is frickin classic. Bad job by security there if he got in twice. I highly doubt that it was a work. Oh, and Cena FVKKING SUX! Sorry, piece of crap. Does he really think that anyone believes him when he is talking. Complete frickin garbage. Anyway, Sorry, but Matt F'n Hardy has made his mark. Thank god for that. And watch for him in TNA soon as well. ROH will be the s#!t. He is wrestling Xtopher Daniles. That'll be a great match. Oh, and Cena still sux

[Sabretooth]

Yeah, but he called Lita, Lita. It was scripted
Yeah I guess.I think they were trying to maintain his ''image'' with him being all pissed at Edge Lita and WWE.I doubt he'd be able to get in the building and everything if it wasn't fake.

[Jason Blood]

They're doing what TNA did with Abyss

it's so ****ing AWESOME

[Sabretooth]

I think it is. The WWE is trying to blend reality with their angles now. It rings very similar to the JBL-bWo match on SD last week.

They're just setting it up so it feels like Hardy really did get screwed over and he's had enough.

Pretty damn brilliant if you ask me :up:

And if it really were real, don't you think they would've had security around Edge after he got attacked by Matt the first time? :confused:
I doubt they'd even have Edge come out to the ring honestly.

[John Constantine]

I doubt they'd even have Edge come out to the ring honestly.

Yep. Plus, wouldn't they have cut off the mic feed if it really weren't scripted?

Man, that one match alone made Raw right there! :up:

[Sabretooth]

Matt saved the show from being completely boring.Dammit,I can't wait until next Monday.:up:

Ya know,I think WWE wanted Matt to say some crap in all his interviews to help set this up.I doubt they'd get him in there if he was seriously that pissed,but then again....

[Sabretooth]

Yep. Plus, wouldn't they have cut off the mic feed if it really weren't scripted?

Man, that one match alone made Raw right there! :up:
I seriously had to pick my jaw up.I wouldn't have expected this until maybe a year from now.Though Blue Meanie and JBL wrestled last week,so I think that's why they had this happen tonight.

[The Batman]

I think it is. The WWE is trying to blend reality with their angles now. It rings very similar to the JBL-bWo match on SD last week.

They're just setting it up so it feels like Hardy really did get screwed over and he's had enough.

Pretty damn brilliant if you ask me :up:

And if it really were real, don't you think they would've had security around Edge after he got attacked by Matt the first time? :confused:

True. WWE did a good job of this angle

[Jason Blood]

if I had seen Matt the first time he was on, I don't know what I would have done

[Donnie Darko]

ok, I missed like most everything that HBK just said because this girl I know called me and was talking while I was trying to watch tv

[Donnie Darko]

haha, looks like Shawn Michaels "lost his smile" again

[Capt Throbberson]

He pretty much said he planned the whole bringing back hogan thing to get a match with him.

[John Constantine]

Matt saved the show from being completely boring.Dammit,I can't wait until next Monday.:up:

Ya know,I think WWE wanted Matt to say some crap in all his interviews to help set this up.I doubt they'd get him in there if he was seriously that pissed,but then again....

That's what made it better. There really was no indication that Matt was going to be on Raw. The only thing recent with him was that he was officially a "free agent", but I think he really was only threatening to go to TNA as a bargaining chip to get more money out of the WWE.....

[Sabretooth]

That's what I'm wondering.Now that's he's obviously gonna feud with Edge,I wonder what's gonna happen with him and TNA?

[John Constantine]

I doubt he really was going to TNA. Rhyno on the other hand is supposed to be confirmed for the PPV this Sunday.....


I think he might still wrestle his ROH matches though because CM Punk is still the champion there and he signed a contract with the WWE. I think the two promotions may have had an agreement or something like that.....

[Jason Blood]

That's what I'm wondering.Now that's he's obviously gonna feud with Edge,I wonder what's gonna happen with him and TNA?
I bet it was supposed to be a slap in the face of TNA, like the whole Abyss thing

[Go Web Go!]

Missed the show, but I taped it. Should be interesting...

[LastSunrise1981]

Well, my wife was channel surfing and normally she keeps up with everything WWE/Matt Hardy news and updates.

I was in the backroom fixing the computer, when all of a sudden I heard her scream "HOLY ****!!!!!", I ran out of the back room and asked her what was wrong. She pointed to the screen and said "That's MATT HARDY!", then when I saw it, I was literally blown away and the reception that Matt received was out of this world.

That was completely unexpected and if it's a work, then it's the WWE's way of saying "screw you internet fans". But you know what? I don't care what they feel about us, this just seemed a bit too scripted to be real and so forth.

Everyone knows if it was real Edge would've never came out, and Matt would've never even got back into the arena. Plus notice the way Matt was punching at Edge and the way Edge was hitting him, you think they would've been throwing fairy like punches at each other.

I think they're trying to play this off as a shoot, though who really knows at this point and Matt did promote ROH on air, I guess in a way it could've been his last hurrah before he officially debuts at ROH or whatever.

[Go Web Go!]

Can someone give me a quick rundown of the show. I saw it from the Matt Hardy attack on. Did I miss anything worth watching prior to that?

[LastSunrise1981]

Can someone give me a quick rundown of the show. I saw it from the Matt Hardy attack on. Did I miss anything worth watching prior to that?

Well, it's kind of hard to top Matt Hardy making a surprise appearance.

But no, you really didn't miss anything mindblowing other than Matt.

[John Constantine]

Well, my wife was channel surfing and normally she keeps up with everything WWE/Matt Hardy news and updates.

I was in the backroom fixing the computer, when all of a sudden I heard her scream "HOLY ****!!!!!", I ran out of the back room and asked her what was wrong. She pointed to the screen and said "That's MATT HARDY!", then when I saw it, I was literally blown away and the reception that Matt received was out of this world.

That was completely unexpected and if it's a work, then it's the WWE's way of saying "screw you internet fans". But you know what? I don't care what they feel about us, this just seemed a bit too scripted to be real and so forth.

Everyone knows if it was real Edge would've never came out, and Matt would've never even got back into the arena. Plus notice the way Matt was punching at Edge and the way Edge was hitting him, you think they would've been throwing fairy like punches at each other.

I think they're trying to play this off as a shoot, though who really knows at this point and Matt did promote ROH on air, I guess in a way it could've been his last hurrah before he officially debuts at ROH or whatever.


Oh, it's all a shoot, I think. The WWE's just trying to play to the internet fans now and trying to incorporate more reality into their angles.

And I think the WWE is allowing Matt to still wrestle in the ROH match against the Fallen Angel. After-all, CM Punk is still wrestling at ROH but he's signed by the WWE.....


I just have to say that this makes me more interested in what's going to happen in Raw the next few weeks :up:

[Jason Blood]

Matt did step in for Luger (no show'd) at an indy event (LAW pro wrestling) while he was under contract with the WWE

[brainchild81]

Didn't Luger kill Ms.Elizabeth?

[Goldenage Batman]

Sorry to be off the subject...but who came over to Raw tonight?...

[SLYspyder]

i can't believe some retards are still doubting if it was scripted or not.

1.) Edge showing footage of him fooling the crowd into thinking matt was coming out during his wedding to lita and snitsky before their match.

2.) Matt attacking Edge when the camera was on him and lita.

3.) Guys breaking the first fight up looking fake as hell.

4.) Kane and snitsky exiting ring before Matt appears.

5.) Edge and Matt not fighting like real men would in a fight.

6.) Mic not getting cut off.

7.) "Guards" not storming him until he was done with his promo.

8.) Fake ass looking guards for the 2nd time.

9.) Matt and guards going up the ramp instead of exiting beside the ramp.


but i truly salute WWE, they had me there for a sec, but they have succeeded into fooling most people that that was not scripted.



how about that chair shot last week on smackdown? that was ****in brutal, i would be pissed if I were JBL.

[John Constantine]

Yeah, looking back on it, you can see all the clues that indicate it was all a work. But initially watching it, it did seem like it was unscripted. Props to the WWE though. That moment cause a ****load of discussions about whether or not it was real. Now that's great booking.

With JBL, I think he intentionally took that wicked chair shot to make up for targetting Blue Meanie during ONS.....

[PyroChamber]

Is it me, or was the crowd booing Hogan and cheering for HBK at one point?

[DOG LIPS]

For some reason "Boogeyman" sounded like Farooq. :confused:

[DOG LIPS]

As for Matt, I agree that if they really wanted to sell it they should of had him call Lita by her real name. :p

And who didn't see Piper getting kicked coming, the way he stood right behind HBK in kicking-distance like he's supposed to. :rolleyes:

[White_Howling]

man why da hell did they fire every one just to make way for new wrestlers like the Boogeyman.. Get rid of chris master hes pretty much worthless. damn u wwe

[John Constantine]

For some reason "Boogeyman" sounded like Farooq. :confused:

The Boogeyman (I read) is the guy from Tough Enough who lied about his age. He was that black guy who wore the black paint around his eyes.

[Sabretooth]

For some reason "Boogeyman" sounded like Farooq. :confused:
He's actually that guy that lied about his age in the last Tough Enough

[Sabretooth]

The Boogeyman (I read) is the guy from Tough Enough who lied about his age. He was that black guy who wore the black paint around his eyes.
Beat me to it :mad: ;)

[DOG LIPS]

The Boogeyman (I read) is the guy from Tough Enough who lied about his age. He was that black guy who wore the black paint around his eyes.
Ahhh I see, maybe that's why I kinda sorta knew the voice.

[John Constantine]

And Hardy has already posted his response to his appearance on Raw:

If you guys are ready for a ride, jump the ***** on. Well, I promised you all fireworks, so I hope I didn't disappoint. As of July 11th, 2005, my personal Independence Day, the Movement has begun-- and the Movement's purpose is two-fold. Purpose one--To never let anyone control what Matt Hardy says and does and thinks. Purpose two--To make Adam Copeland, Amy Dumas, and the WWE regret what they did to me, what they did to us. It's time for Matt Hardy to stand up for all the MFer's that have been chanting "We Want Matt", and "You Screwed Matt". Although you may not know this--you guys, the MFers, started the Movement months ago. I can now finally join the Movement because I am no longer controlled by the WWE. The McMahons, the Johnny Aces, and all of the WWE management can kiss my @$$. I did what I did tonight because for me to live with myself, Adam "Feces" Copeland must pay. I'm not going to let the WWE forget that they *****ed up when they released me instead of that scumbag home-wrecker. And Amy Dumas, you know what's it's like to have me as your closest ally--but you're gonna hate to see what it's like to have me as your worst enemy b*tch. Even though I didn't slash your tires FCF, slashed tires are going to be the least of your problems--Bank on it. A little message to the whore, the feces, and the horse***** "family" that is the WWE--Matt Hardy is like cancer, I don't go away and you won't find a cure. I thank EVERYONE that has supported me through thick and thin--I promise I will always be there for my MFers. I love you guys--and as I always say, without you, there is no me. I am going to turn a hugely negative situation into something that will benefit us. If you don't want to be able to predict what happens next, you're all in for a treat.

P.S. - If you're thinking about pressing charges Vince, I got a couple bucks, I'll fight it. Besides, I think I might have some pixs and video from a camera phone that shows your officers Rodney Kinging my @$$. My wrist is cut from the handcuffs, and I would suggest that there was a little unnecessary roughness involved in kicking me out of your building.

P.S.S. - And don't forget to catch Matt Hardy in action this Friday in Indiana, PA, this Saturday in Woodbridge, CT, and you never know where I'll show up on Sunday. And The Matt Hardy Show is so on...

Matt "*****ing" Hardy





Is it just me or is that a pretty quick response for a "shoot"? :confused: ;)

[Sabretooth]

I didn't really watch his promo.I was too busy having a ****ing heart attack about the fact Hardy returned

[White_Howling]

man i can't tell is the matt thing for real? they seemed pretty rough on him.. if sooo this was one of the best stage plays i've seen.. usally they send six fake guards.. but event managers? whoa where did that come from?

[John Constantine]

man i can't tell is the matt thing for real? they seemed pretty rough on him.. if sooo this was one of the best stage plays i've seen.. usally they send six fake guards.. but event managers? whoa where did that come from?

No, it's all just a work. A very elaborately done work, but a work nonetheless.


It seems like they're really playing Hardy off as a pissed-off renegade now.....and I love it :up:

[DOG LIPS]

I can't find any pics of the guy (Marty Wright) that's gonna be 'Boogeyman' is he big? I can't remember much accept the age and the eyes paint. :confused:

[White_Howling]

No, it's all just a work. A very elaborately done work, but a work nonetheless.


It seems like they're really playing Hardy off as a pissed-off renegade now.....and I love it :up:


someone told me he signed with TNA.. so that was false?

[John Constantine]

someone told me he signed with TNA.. so that was false?

I think so. There really was no official signing. I mean he just became a free agent today and there were no reports that he was signing. If anything, Hardy probably used that as leverage to get a bigger contract from the WWE......

[Sabretooth]

And Hardy has already posted his response to his appearance on Raw:

If you guys are ready for a ride, jump the ***** on. Well, I promised you all fireworks, so I hope I didn't disappoint. As of July 11th, 2005, my personal Independence Day, the Movement has begun-- and the Movement's purpose is two-fold. Purpose one--To never let anyone control what Matt Hardy says and does and thinks. Purpose two--To make Adam Copeland, Amy Dumas, and the WWE regret what they did to me, what they did to us. It's time for Matt Hardy to stand up for all the MFer's that have been chanting "We Want Matt", and "You Screwed Matt". Although you may not know this--you guys, the MFers, started the Movement months ago. I can now finally join the Movement because I am no longer controlled by the WWE. The McMahons, the Johnny Aces, and all of the WWE management can kiss my @$$. I did what I did tonight because for me to live with myself, Adam "Feces" Copeland must pay. I'm not going to let the WWE forget that they *****ed up when they released me instead of that scumbag home-wrecker. And Amy Dumas, you know what's it's like to have me as your closest ally--but you're gonna hate to see what it's like to have me as your worst enemy b*tch. Even though I didn't slash your tires FCF, slashed tires are going to be the least of your problems--Bank on it. A little message to the whore, the feces, and the horse***** "family" that is the WWE--Matt Hardy is like cancer, I don't go away and you won't find a cure. I thank EVERYONE that has supported me through thick and thin--I promise I will always be there for my MFers. I love you guys--and as I always say, without you, there is no me. I am going to turn a hugely negative situation into something that will benefit us. If you don't want to be able to predict what happens next, you're all in for a treat.

P.S. - If you're thinking about pressing charges Vince, I got a couple bucks, I'll fight it. Besides, I think I might have some pixs and video from a camera phone that shows your officers Rodney Kinging my @$$. My wrist is cut from the handcuffs, and I would suggest that there was a little unnecessary roughness involved in kicking me out of your building.

P.S.S. - And don't forget to catch Matt Hardy in action this Friday in Indiana, PA, this Saturday in Woodbridge, CT, and you never know where I'll show up on Sunday. And The Matt Hardy Show is so on...

Matt "*****ing" Hardy





Is it just me or is that a pretty quick response for a "shoot"? :confused: ;)
You could tell that was a promo.

[White_Howling]

Is it me, or was the crowd booing Hogan and cheering for HBK at one point?


yep that happened

[John Constantine]

You could tell that was a promo.

You know what would be especially odd. If this entire thing was one huge work by Edge, Lita, and Matt in order to create one of the biggest feuds ever. I mean there were reports a couple weeks ago that Edge and Lita aren't seeing each other anymore and that Edge is trying to get back with his wife and that Lita is trying to talk to Matt.

If it was, the three certainly accomplished what they wanted to do......

[PyroChamber]

If that was the case then everyone in the world, or at least us online, would have been fooled.

[Hunter Rider]

Is it me, or was the crowd booing Hogan and cheering for HBK at one point?

WOW you mean the crowd wasn't full of ignorant marks ?:eek:
havent watched RAW (not sure i will but it's on tape) but from what ive read and seen Matt made a comeback and now there playing it off as "a Shoot" LMAO looks like we all got fooled by a really great work,,WWE in moment of creative genius shocker:D
As for thei HBK heel turn,can anyone tell me if he was on full arrogant mode ? the heel turn blows for 2 reasons

1)it's leading to a dumb and degrading feud with geriatric rest home escapee Hogan

2)it's primary objective is to remove a face obstacle from the produc whore's path and give him another legend to go over:mad: :down

Shoulda just moved him to SD to feud with Orton and Lesnar as a face

[3dman27]

in re matt hardy i have last nights raw on tape i'm gonna watch that parti just wish he'have brought nora greenwald [molly holly] back with to kinck amy's''dumas"in

[Donnie Darko]

Well, Chris Masters still sucks and Gene Snitsky has a foot fetish. That's about all you need to know.

[Hunter Rider]

Well, Chris Masters still sucks and Gene Snitsky has a foot fetish. That's about all you need to know.

^^^^WTF?????

[angelus777]

wow is matt really back or is just last ditch match for summerslam. but it woould be awesome for a matt molly/edge lita feud. boogyman thing seems to be the next taker???

[kane9321]

i really didnt want to look at lita's feet ewww,that was nasty,chris masters you really do suck.Carlito you are the worst wrestler ever i think u suck more than chris masters

[Hunter Rider]

i really didnt want to look at lita's feet ewww,that was nasty,chris masters you really do suck.Carlito you are the worst wrestler ever i think u suck more than chris masters

Carlito is classic WWE,a guy that can't wrestle at all and is all mouth ,but thats enough to get him a belt,him and Cena =lamest champions of the last decade

[kane9321]

Carlito is classic WWE,a guy that can't wrestle at all and is all mouth ,but thats enough to get him a belt,him and Cena =lamest champions of the last decade

yeah ding ding..i dont see whats so great about cena either

[Lobo]

i really didnt want to look at lita's feet ewww,that was nasty,chris masters you really do suck.Carlito you are the worst wrestler ever i think u suck more than chris masters

No one sucks more than Masters :mad:

[Sabretooth]

You know what would be especially odd. If this entire thing was one huge work by Edge, Lita, and Matt in order to create one of the biggest feuds ever. I mean there were reports a couple weeks ago that Edge and Lita aren't seeing each other anymore and that Edge is trying to get back with his wife and that Lita is trying to talk to Matt.

If it was, the three certainly accomplished what they wanted to do......
I thought that was the thing too.Not only would that be one of the biggest publicity stunts,people might hate Matt for doing something like that.

But,it would make sense.Edge was going no where at the time,and Lita was in that annoying feud with Trish.I dunno....

[Hunter Rider]

Just saw the Hardy run in LOL,the way kane and snitsky conveniently left ringside just about killed the angle but its one of the better things going on on Raw

[Savage]

I thought that was the thing too.Not only would that be one of the biggest publicity stunts,people might hate Matt for doing something like that.

But,it would make sense.Edge was going no where at the time,and Lita was in that annoying feud with Trish.I dunno....
...heh. That really makes sense.:D After that whole gay thing with Billy Gunn and Chuck Palumbo, who knows.

[Sabretooth]

Just saw the Hardy run in LOL,the way kane and snitsky conveniently left ringside just about killed the angle but its one of the better things going on on Raw
Well they'd sorta look odd staying there wrestling in one corner while Edge and Matt Hardy beat the **** out of each other in the other corner ;)

[Hunter Rider]

Well they'd sorta look odd staying there wrestling in one corner while Edge and Matt Hardy beat the **** out of each other in the other corner ;)

Oh i know it was just the total lack of subtlety,especially when the wwe is trying to sell this as a shoot:D
havent watched the rest of the show it looked absolute crap from the FFWD i did looking for the second Hardy attack.....I saw Piper was on Raw,god is wwe running a wrestling show or a frigging retirement home

[lionhart]

Man, Matt's arrival back on Raw was the best thing on for the past couple of weeks.

Benjamin/Carlito match really dragged I thought.

I'm in no way looking forward to more Hulk Hogan, though HBK's heel run can be great.

John Cena, the ghetto version of Stone Cold. Maybe I'm getting older, I just don't get his character, he's loud, his ebonics, the running around the ring as he speaks. WTF?

But Matt Hardy can be the biggest angle on RAW, keep treating the whole thing as a shoot. Hardy runs in through the crowd, attacks "Adam" and runs off. Turn him into a modern Raven character. The one who is pissed and wants his vengeance, doesn't play by everyone else's (Vince's) rules. JR and King can't even comment on it, this isn't part of the show. If the story can get out mainstream, such as http://wwe.com publishing the story of Matt/Lita/Edge, Matt will only get bigger. Here's to hoping.

[Donnie Darko]

No one sucks more than Masters :mad:

I don't know... I really think Snitsky might.

[DOG LIPS]

I don't know... I really think Snitsky might.
Nah, sometimes Snitsky has that "So disgusting he's funny." thing going on, whereas Masters has.... um..... :confused:

[The Ghoul]

What I read says that the incident is a worked-shoot. The begining & middle are true (Lita cheated on Matt with Edge, Matt got fired.) then he signed with WWE a couple weeks ago & he is suddenly tearing into Lita, Edge & the WWE as a way to build for his return. He is still doing independent dates because he is 1) already booked & 2) playing into the anti-WWE gimmick. I am not pissed that the last few post he made on his website were a work or that he worked all of us. I am mad he resigned in the first place. When he asks fans where they would like to see him & loud "TNA" chants explode & he signs with WWE. That's where I get insulted. I am still very much a MFer & I think it was incredibly smart by him to use his website (which has gotten more hits in the last 3 months than any other wrestler's website have ever gotten, ever) as a way to build an angle. I'm not bitter with Matt because he signed with Vince. I just know that after Summerslam he will be droped right back down to mid-card status & do nothing to push him untill they eventually say it's his fault he isn't a top star & release him again. TNA may not have tv yet & there isn't a lot of exposure, but in the long run it would've a lot more to help your carreer than WWE.

[Hunter Rider]

Man, Matt's arrival back on Raw was the best thing on for the past couple of weeks.

Benjamin/Carlito match really dragged I thought.

I'm in no way looking forward to more Hulk Hogan, though HBK's heel run can be great.

John Cena, the ghetto version of Stone Cold. Maybe I'm getting older, I just don't get his character, he's loud, his ebonics, the running around the ring as he speaks. WTF?

But Matt Hardy can be the biggest angle on RAW, keep treating the whole thing as a shoot. Hardy runs in through the crowd, attacks "Adam" and runs off. Turn him into a modern Raven character. The one who is pissed and wants his vengeance, doesn't play by everyone else's (Vince's) rules. JR and King can't even comment on it, this isn't part of the show. If the story can get out mainstream, such as http://wwe.com (http://wwe.com/) publishing the story of Matt/Lita/Edge, Matt will only get bigger. Here's to hoping.

what i highligted in red is why Raw blows so much right now,Hogan should only be used on the odd occasion not in a frigging main event matvh that will be a complete embasrresment for HBK,the other thing ids vanilla ice,I could look past the gimmick if he didn't suck in the ring and we all know HBK has been turned heel to leave the face section open for smarties and to job to him later:mad: :(

[Jason Blood]

I downloaded something that's supposed to be one of Jericho's WCW themes

it sounds like Pearl Jam

did he have one like that?

[The Ghoul]

Yes, it was Pearl Jam's "Evenflow", but not really. it was like a nock off instrumental version. Like DDP's nock off of Nirvana.

[Jason Blood]

Yes, it was Pearl Jam's "Evenflow", but not really. it was like a nock off instrumental version. Like DDP's nock off of Nirvana.
kinda cool I guess

I have it now...

[John Constantine]

I thought that was the thing too.Not only would that be one of the biggest publicity stunts,people might hate Matt for doing something like that.

But,it would make sense.Edge was going no where at the time,and Lita was in that annoying feud with Trish.I dunno....

Exactly. And because of this one angle, fans are going to remember these three for a loong time. People may still be going "was this really a work or a shoot?"

****ing brilliance right there....

[John Constantine]

Oh i know it was just the total lack of subtlety,especially when the wwe is trying to sell this as a shoot:D
havent watched the rest of the show it looked absolute crap from the FFWD i did looking for the second Hardy attack.....I saw Piper was on Raw,god is wwe running a wrestling show or a frigging retirement home

Raw for the most part was crap. There was only like 2 matches the first hour. I think I fell asleep during the 45 minute mark. It was only the Edge-Kane match and the extracurriculars that totally made the show....just like how the bWo-JBL match made Smackdown for me.

[Jason Blood]

I hope Smackdown is good this week...

Raw was good, and then bad at the same time

[Jason Blood]

300 pages!

sweet!

[John Constantine]

I hope Smackdown is good this week...

Raw was good, and then bad at the same time

It might if it turned out that a bunch of the released wrestlers weren't really released and it's being used as part of an angle on Smackdown ;)

[Jason Blood]

It might if it turned out that a bunch of the released wrestlers weren't really released and it's being used as part of an angle on Smackdown ;)
that would suck really...

I dunno

[Twitch]

It might if it turned out that a bunch of the released wrestlers weren't really released and it's being used as part of an angle on Smackdown ;)

Hopefully if that happens its gotta be Haas :o

[Hunter Rider]

Raw for the most part was crap. There was only like 2 matches the first hour. I think I fell asleep during the 45 minute mark. It was only the Edge-Kane match and the extracurriculars that totally made the show....just like how the bWo-JBL match made Smackdown for me.

at least HBK isnt a religious heel like i feared but his reason for the feud was stupid IMo and the idea sucks and i see Y2J will job his last match at summerslam,is that the main event or is SD gonna be the main event of summerslam ?

[John Constantine]

that would suck really...

I dunno

Yeah, it might cross the line there. But that could be a good way to set up a Matt Morgan-Brock Lesner feud.....

[Jason Blood]

What did Matt Hardy injure?

I totally forgot

[John Constantine]

at least HBK isnt a religious heel like i feared but his reason for the feud was stupid IMo and the idea sucks and i see Y2J will job his last match at summerslam,is that the main event or is SD gonna be the main event of summerslam ?

I dunno....a lot of people actually think Jericho might actually win the title at Summerslam. I'm surprised at the push Jericho is getting actually. This is actually better than any championship push he's gotten in the WWE....and yeah, even better than his undisputed championship title reign.

[Hunter Rider]

I dunno....a lot of people actually think Jericho might actually win the title at Summerslam. I'm surprised at the push Jericho is getting actually. This is actually better than any championship push he's gotten in the WWE....and yeah, even better than his undisputed championship title reign.

id be surprised if he wins,why turn HBK heel and send angle to Raw if they are gonna put the strap on Y2J:confused:

[John Constantine]

id be surprised if he wins,why turn HBK heel and send angle to Raw if they are gonna put the strap on Y2J:confused:

Because I'm praying that maybe they actually want to push Jericho for once.....:(

[Hunter Rider]

Because I'm praying that maybe they actually want to push Jericho for once.....:(

Oh it requires faith in WWE doing something right and pushing a guy with talent ? damn i had hopes for a moment:(

[Jason Blood]

from the way they're pushing Jericho, you'd think he'd be challenging for the IC and WWE titles

[John Constantine]

It could happen. It seems Bischoff is set on making Cena's life a living hell now. They could always continue the tried-and-true formula of having Jericho win the title and making sure that John Cena's at the bottom of the ladder now and that he has to climb his way back to the top......

[Hunter Rider]

It could happen. It seems Bischoff is set on making Cena's life a living hell now. They could always continue the tried-and-true formula of having Jericho win the title and making sure that John Cena's at the bottom of the ladder now and that he has to climb his way back to the top......

for wrestlemania........:down :mad:

[John Constantine]

for wrestlemania........:down :mad:

Yeah, that's their plan if they really wanted to do it. Have Cena work his way back to the top. Maybe fight for a Royal Rumble shot. And when he does, he has to start at number 1 and he ends up winning the damn thing.

But then, this whole thing would scream of a total rip-off of Austin's first title reign.....:o

[lionhart]

What did Matt Hardy injure?

I totally forgot

His knee, I think he tore his ACL, to be specific.

[Jason Blood]

His knee, I think he tore his ACL, to be specific.
thanks

I couldn't remember which one it was

[lionhart]

Okay, SummerSlam's mainevent possibilities don't sound that great: Y2J vs Cena, or Undertaker/Muhammed Hassan vs Batista/JBL. Unless they go w/ HBK vs Hogan. It just doesn't seem like the second biggest show of the year, does it?

[Jason Blood]

The Smackdown matches you listed are going to be on The Great American Bash

[Hunter Rider]

Yeah, that's their plan if they really wanted to do it. Have Cena work his way back to the top. Maybe fight for a Royal Rumble shot. And when he does, he has to start at number 1 and he ends up winning the damn thing.

But then, this whole thing would scream of a total rip-off of Austin's first title reign.....:o

Well he is "hip Hop" Austin:rolleyes: I watched a little bit of Raw and god 2 things stood out,1. Carlito is weak in the ring,2.Cena is the biggest suck up of alltime,stealing most of Austins scthick,some of the Rock's and then sugar coating it with "I fight for these ppl":mad:
HBK cut a good promo i thought but is his new routine going to be to superkick coffin dodgers every week and then stare until the show goes off air ?:confused: :(
Strange how most of the marks cheered Cena on cue but booed Hogan's name at least twice:confused:

[Hunter Rider]

Okay, SummerSlam's mainevent possibilities don't sound that great: Y2J vs Cena, or Undertaker/Muhammed Hassan vs Batista/JBL. Unless they go w/ HBK vs Hogan. It just doesn't seem like the second biggest show of the year, does it?

yeah all those matches blow cammels:down
I can't stomach Cena so the wwe title feud is a blur to me and the otther matches are lame,HBK vs Hogan is a joke and as for the SD main event ,all those combinations are bad for Batista ,of course he is screwed anyway as all the best heel's are on Raw to feed the product whore:o

[John Constantine]

Well he is "hip Hop" Austin:rolleyes: I watched a little bit of Raw and god 2 things stood out,1. Carlito is weak in the ring,2.Cena is the biggest suck up of alltime,stealing most of Austins scthick,some of the Rock's and then sugar coating it with "I fight for these ppl":mad:
HBK cut a good promo i thought but is his new routine going to be to superkick coffin dodgers every week and then stare until the show goes off air ?:confused: :(
Strange how most of the marks cheered Cena on cue but booed Hogan's name at least twice:confused:

Probably because Cena is still big with the fans. I mean you may not like him but he still is popular with some people. :p

Hogan on the other hand, I can see why people are tired of him. They said "One More Match" after his tag match with Shawn against Hassan and Davari. Then people thought that would be the last match with him and guess what? He still shows up. Even I'm getting a bit tired of Hogan right now....

[DOG LIPS]

Probably because Cena is still big with the fans. I mean you may not like him but he still is popular with some people. :p

Hogan on the other hand, I can see why people are tired of him. They said "One More Match" after his tag match with Shawn against Hassan and Davari. Then people thought that would be the last match with him and guess what? He still shows up. Even I'm getting a bit tired of Hogan right now....
Well, he's trying to promote his new show. They freakin' talk about it every chance they get. :mad:

[Sabretooth]

Too bad his show sucks and shows how overprotective that bastard is.Dating his daughter is spelling out death.

[lionhart]

The Smackdown matches you listed are going to be on The Great American Bash

No The winner of Undertaker/Hassan will take on the winner of Batista/JBL.

[SLYspyder]

sometimes i don't know what it takes for you guys to admit that raw was awesome. the y2j and carlito exchange was awesome at the start of the show. carlito is not as great a wrestler as shelton, but they sure as hell gave us a great match. the kurt angle invitational was the best ever, prolly won't be able to be topped.

as for cena, he is really starting to annoy me and get really boring in the ring. he needs to start flowing again and stop ****in kissing the crowd's ass so much, it's ****in annoying! "Y2 cheap"? i want to cut my ears off everytime i hear that, the same with "real being real"? something like that.

[John Constantine]

Too bad his show sucks and shows how overprotective that bastard is.Dating his daughter is spelling out death.

It's a reality show. Most of the time, the stuff in that show is just made up :p

Besides, would you really date the daughter of Hulk Hogan and attempt to do something to her anyways? :D

[John Constantine]

Frankie Kazarian made his debut on the SD tapings this week, he's probably going to be working Velocity :cool:





He's probably going to be as wasted as Paul London isn't he? :(



Oh, and Heidenreich finally found a tag team partner to fight MNM for the tag team titles: Animal from LOD


What a dream team :rolleyes:

[3dman27]

so velocity and heat art back to their regular fomats?

thank goodness

[Hunter Rider]

Probably because Cena is still big with the fans. I mean you may not like him but he still is popular with some people. :p

Hogan on the other hand, I can see why people are tired of him. They said "One More Match" after his tag match with Shawn against Hassan and Davari. Then people thought that would be the last match with him and guess what? He still shows up. Even I'm getting a bit tired of Hogan right now....
It just seems most of them cheer whatever their told to,i wonder if the crowd will be mixed at Summerslam,As for Cena? *sighs* i just can't see anything good about him,he seems to be regressing to cheap pop tricks on the mic and is rehashing the Austin/Mcmahon angle with Bischoff

[TheVileOne]

Frankie Kazarian made his debut on the SD tapings this week, he's probably going to be working Velocity :cool:

He's probably going to be as wasted as Paul London isn't he? :(


Pretty much. Their CW division is dead, and now he's going to have to wrestle a neutered wrestling style. His finishing move is what? A perfect-plex now? Sad. What's even sadder is how they make their cruiserweights wrestle like heavyweights. I can't for the life of me understand why Kazarian defected. AJ Styles said on BWR that TNA would take him back in a heart beat. He and Shane were working great as a tag team, they could've been tag champs, but he left Shane high and dry.

We're waiting Frankie.

In the meantime, Great American Bash is looking like crap while this Sunday's No Surrender is looking like fried gold.

Um let's see:

JBL vs. Batista
Orlando Jordan vs. Benoit
MNM vs. Heidenreich and Animal (!) :mad:
dumbass lingerie match
anything else?

Against:

Raven vs. Abyss
Petey Williams vs. Fallen Angel
Samoa Joe vs. Chris Sabin
AMW vs. Shelley and Shane
Waltman vs. AJ Styles
Super X Cup 2 (!!!!!) qualifier

Sorry, got to go with No Surrender

[Twitch]

Pretty much. Their CW division is dead, and now he's going to have to wrestle a neutered wrestling style. I can't for the life of me understand why Kazarian defected. AJ Styles said on BWR that TNA would take him back in a heart beat. He and Shane were working great as a tag team, they could've been tag champs, but he left Shane high and dry.

We're waiting Frankie.

In the meantime, Great American Bash is looking like crap while this Sunday's No Surrender is looking like fried gold.


Against:

Raven vs. Abyss
Petey Williams vs. Fallen Angel
Samoa Joe vs. Chris Sabin
AMW vs. Shelley and Shane
Waltman vs. AJ Styles
Super X Cup 2 (!!!!!) qualifier

Sorry, got to go with No Surrender

Are you ordering No Surrender if so can you post updates on who won on Sunday?

[Jason Blood]

I heard Frankie was doing a "modified Fisherman's Suplex"

I'm hoping its the Sternness Dust