Wrestling

[Sabretooth]

He did :confused:
It's a joke,because he was bleeding so bad it looked like he had a crimson mask.

[Sabretooth]

WTF?Matt didn't show up at the end of the match.:mad: :(

[Jason Blood]

Yes!Kane finally started wearing a mask again! :D
-_-

[Jason Blood]

WTF?Matt didn't show up at the end of the match.:mad: :(
that's what I was thinking

I was hoping he'd come out with a contract, saying that he got one, and then proceeding to beat the hell out of Edge

[DOG LIPS]

Well Edge and Lita still have to run around backstage like they are running from Kane. :)



Hopefully. :(

[Sabretooth]

that's what I was thinking

I was hoping he'd come out with a contract, saying that he got one, and then proceeding to beat the hell out of Edge
They're probably gonna keep acting like it's a shoot.So I doubt he'll come out with a contract for a while

[Mr. Socko]

WOOOHOOOO

I hope Matt wrestles by Summerslam

[Donnie Darko]

when did Rob Conway become one of the Village People?

[Donnie Darko]

ya know, even though we know Jericho is gonna lose at Summerslam, it's good to see him at least going for the title

[Sabretooth]

bwahahahahahahaha!Nice trip Shelton!you Stupid Son Of A----bwhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!:d

[Capt Throbberson]

Bah Cena sucks

And yes, that was hilarious

[Donnie Darko]

I know, he seriously needs to lay off for a little bit... he's getting REALLY clumsy

[Sabretooth]

I know, he seriously needs to lay off for a little bit... he's getting REALLY clumsy
God he was ****ty the entire night.In fact,he's sorta sucked the entire past month.His legs were wobbling in his match when he got on the ropes,and then he fell on his ass a few minutes ago.BWAHAHAHAHAHAH :D

[John Constantine]

I think they're trying to have that as part of an angle. The commentating team was mentioning it quite a bit too much that Shelton was suffering a concussion and that he's not 100 percent at the moment......

[Sabretooth]

If anyone has that Shelton trip,give it to me.That thing's avatar worthy :D

[John Constantine]

Seriously, Shelton is ****ing up too many times for it to be an accident. I could see him ****ing up once or twice during a match. But he did it a lot of times. Either he's seriously injured and he's still wrestling or it's part of something in the future.....

[DOG LIPS]

I bet it's going to be a new storyline for Shelton. He's afraid of heights or something. :D

[John Constantine]

I bet it's going to be a new storyline for Shelton. He's afraid of heights or something. :D

Or it helps for Carlito to get an advantage over Shelton ;)

[Sabretooth]

I bet it's going to be a new storyline for Shelton. He's afraid of heights or something. :D
Or his talent left with Haas.:D


Okay,I have to admit that was low :(

[John Constantine]

Speaking of overdone angles, :down on the stretcher match between Kane and Edge next week. What, are they trying to have that fued run through every gimmick match possible? :rolleyes:

[DOG LIPS]

Normally when they mess up for real, JR and King try and cover it with some comment, but everytime Shelton messed up it was like they had a "He's so crazy, he doesn't care if he dies" -type comment rehearsed. :)

[Sabretooth]

Speaking of overdone angles, :down on the stretcher match between Kane and Edge next week. What, are they trying to have that fued run through every gimmick match possible? :rolleyes:
You should see what they have in store two weeks from now! It will Kane vs. Edge in a CASKET MATCH! and Matt Hardy will secretly be in the casket!:eek: :D

[John Constantine]

Normally when they mess up for real, JR and King try and cover it with some comment, but everytime Shelton messed up it was like they had a "He's so crazy, he doesn't care if he dies" -type comment rehersed. :)

Yep. I think the first time that Shelton ****ed up (when Carlito first won the IC title), it was a legitimate **** up. But since then, they're trying to put over that Shelton is not all-there anymore.....

[Sabretooth]

Normally when they mess up for real, JR and King try and cover it with some comment, but everytime Shelton messed up it was like they had a "He's so crazy, he doesn't care if he dies" -type comment rehearsed. :)
I think I heard Coach laughing :D

[John Constantine]

You should see what they have in store two weeks from now! It will Kane vs. Edge in a CASKET MATCH! and Matt Hardy will secretly be in the casket!:eek: :D

And the feud will culminate three weeks later in a Hell in the Cell match :up:

[Sabretooth]

And the feud will culminate three weeks later in a Hell in the Cell match :up:
They really are driving the Kane vs. Edge thing in the ground.This thing has been going on for a year :(

[DOG LIPS]

They should have had Brock come back and be the one to finally break the masterlock, cause a Big Show/Masters fued already smells like s***. :(

[Sabretooth]

They should have had Brock come back and be the one to finally break the masterlock, cause a Big Show/Masters fued already smells like s***. :(
Anything with Big Show is ****.But with him being in a feud with Masters is even worse.:(

And I want Brock to go to SD! and maybe get JBL out of the main event for a while

[John Constantine]

I kinda knew it was going to be Big Show as soon as Chris Masters started spouting "no matter how big you are, no one can break the masterlock!".

And looking at the lumberjack match, Raw is ridiculously short on faces at the moment. Hell, they're pretty short on wrestlers it seems.....

[DOG LIPS]

What's up with the guy with the apple on his ass that keeps showing up to fight Angle? Isn't the apple Carlito's thing? :confused:

[John Constantine]

The guy is Matt Striker/Martel. A school teacher that apparently lied about being sick so he can go on a wrestling tour.

What's the moral of the story? You can lie your ass off and you'll be offered a wrestling contract :down

[DOG LIPS]

The guy is Matt Striker/Martel. A school teacher that apparently lied about being sick so he can go on a wrestling tour.

What's the moral of the story? You can lie your ass off and you'll be offered a wrestling contract :down
Didn't that Boogeyman article say that was going to be Boogeyman's thing, he's a big-time liar?

[John Constantine]

Yeah, but that seems like what they're doing with Striker as well......

[DOG LIPS]

Yeah, but that seems like what they're doing with Striker as well......
Damn... he's got a Carlito apple on his ass cause he's a teacher and he's stealing Boogeyman's liar thing before he even debuts. WWE is desperate. :(

[Sabretooth]

They could form a tag team.Since Boogeyman has horns,they put some huge apple or something on Striker's head :confused:

[Mr. Socko]

I don't like Cena on raw.

[Jason Blood]

I don't like Cena on raw.
his whole Y2Cheap thing really got annoying

[Jason Blood]

They could form a tag team.Since Boogeyman has horns,they put some huge apple or something on Striker's head :confused:
that would be so damn awful

*flashback to 80's wrestling gimmicks*

[3dman27]

as for the nikita koloff face turn mentioned a couple of pages ago i remember watching his team up with dusty rhoades
at the time of his face turn dusty rhoades partner ar the time was a wrestler called magnum t.a. magnum had just been in areal car accident and dusty needed a new tag team partnerso they had nikolai turn face and join dusty as the SUPER POWERS :spidey: :thing:

[GLfan]

as for the nikolai volkoff face turn mentioned a couple of pages agoi remember watching his team up with dusty rhoades
at the time of his face turn dusty rhoades partner ar the time was a wrestler called magnum t.a. magnum had just been in areal car accident and dusty needed a new tag team partnerso they had nikolai turn face and join dusty as the SUPER POWERSAhem.....Don't you mean Nikita Koloff?? Nikolai Volkoff was in the WWF at the time teaming with the Iron Sheik.

[kane9321]

lol

[Savage]

You should see what they have in store two weeks from now! It will Kane vs. Edge in a CASKET MATCH! and Matt Hardy will secretly be in the casket!:eek: :D
...There's really no point in blanking out the word "secret". You just blabbed it out. lol

[Sabretooth]

...There's really no point in blanking out the word "secret". You just blabbed it out. lol
I was being sarcastic.:o

[Sabretooth]

''According to reports received early Tuesday morning, WWE has officially released Earl Hebner. Hebner, who had been with the company since 1988, is the most well-known referee in American pro wrestling.

Hebner was released for allegedly selling WWE merchandise without authorization. Dave Hebner, who was also involved, will be disciplined as well, although he has not been released.

Hebner was one of WWE's "senior officials" and refereed many of the past decades PPV main-events.''

[3dman27]

Ahem.....Don't you mean Nikita Koloff?? Nikolai Volkoff was in the WWF at the time teaming with the Iron Sheik.
i do indeed thanks for the correction glfan :spidey: :thing:

[Jason Blood]

''According to reports received early Tuesday morning, WWE has officially released Earl Hebner. Hebner, who had been with the company since 1988, is the most well-known referee in American pro wrestling.

Hebner was released for allegedly selling WWE merchandise without authorization. Dave Hebner, who was also involved, will be disciplined as well, although he has not been released.

Hebner was one of WWE's "senior officials" and refereed many of the past decades PPV main-events.''

that's a little surprising

[3dman27]

yes it is mr hebners been a mainstay for years

[Donnie Darko]

I was always a bigger fan of the WCW referees, like Nick Patrick, Randy "Pee Wee" Anderson, "Little Naitch," and... I can't remember his name... the really little guy that had stomach cancer.

[John Constantine]

''According to reports received early Tuesday morning, WWE has officially released Earl Hebner. Hebner, who had been with the company since 1988, is the most well-known referee in American pro wrestling.

Hebner was released for allegedly selling WWE merchandise without authorization. Dave Hebner, who was also involved, will be disciplined as well, although he has not been released.

Hebner was one of WWE's "senior officials" and refereed many of the past decades PPV main-events.''

Whoa...never expected that to happen. That could explain the low blow he got last week :D :p

[Capt Throbberson]

I don't like Cena on raw.
I don't like Cena at all.

[John Constantine]

It seems like he's getting a lot of hate now. I think it has a lot to do with the pussying out of his character. Sure, he was always a mediocre wrestler, but a year and a half ago, he was able to talk/rap whatever he wanted and that helped him to get super-over with the crowd. But now that he's the champion and the WWE's Golden Boy, he's extremely neutered.....

[Lobo]

I miss The Rock :(

[The Techno Bat]

http://bodyslamming.com/pics/hollywoodhogan.jpg
They should put the strap around Hogan one last time and give him a decent run....Have him and HBK battle it out for awhile and then perhaps throw Ric Flair into the mix, Anything is better than John Cena, he s*cks, all he has in microphone skills at best, he needs to improve his inring wrestling skills, because all he has is punch kick stomp, and he is very sloppy!

[Lobo]

I'd rather see it on Flair. Whoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

[The Techno Bat]

I'd rather see it on Flair. Whoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

Me too, either Flair or Hogan, atleast with these veteran's they know how to act like and be real champions unlike these kids who are not ready yet.There is No way that Randy Orton, Brock Lesnar, & John Cena should have even held the world title this early in there careers.

http://bodyslamming.com/wwe/pics/Ric_Flair.jpg

[TheVileOne]

TNA is delivering some of the best shows ever and you guys are talking about why some referee got fired :( .

Hogan is the last person you give the belt to right now. **** Hogan and Flair.

They gave Hogan the belt again in 2002 and it was horrible.

[White_Howling]

I don't like Cena at all.

hes slowly copying the rocks movies.. like the three punch spit became teh three punch and twirly bird punch..

DAMN u cena!

[John Constantine]

TNA is delivering some of the best shows ever and you guys are talking about why some referee got fired :( .


Hey, I try and talk about it as much as I can, but it seems like no one else really watches it.....:confused: :(

[White_Howling]

Hey, I try and talk about it as much as I can, but it seems like no one else really watches it.....:confused: :(


i for one don't know when it shows.. ill most likely start watching it once it gets on spike..

but the only think i can't stand about tna. iss.... the pounce!!!
sorry i know some ppl like the alpha male.. but I for one don't

[GLfan]

I was always a bigger fan of the WCW referees, like Nick Patrick, Randy "Pee Wee" Anderson, "Little Naitch," and... I can't remember his name... the really little guy that had stomach cancer.You're forgetting two legends from the NWA, Tommy Young and Teddy Long.

[TheVileOne]

i for one don't know when it shows.. ill most likely start watching it once it gets on spike..

but the only think i can't stand about tna. iss.... the pounce!!!
sorry i know some ppl like the alpha male.. but I for one don't
Right now their weekly show IMPACT is off TV and is available to download every friday on their official website, www.tnawrestling.com

Though TNA is clearly outdoing WWE with their PPV's every month. No Surrender is a clear indicator of that.

[White_Howling]

whoa they made it downloadable? how are they making money off thaT? do they rely on ppv?

[Donnie Darko]

You're forgetting two legends from the NWA, Tommy Young and Teddy Long.

very true, but if we're talking about the all-time legends, that one does go to a WWF referee... Danny Davis

[GLfan]

I have to disagree with you, imo the best all-time referee is Tommy Young. Tommy brought added drama to the matches the way he would dive for a three count. Plus he took his share of big bumps as well, which was the reason for his retirement. All Danny Davis ever did was, a heel turn ref and then had a short stint as a wrestler which was mediocre at best. The Hebners made more impact when they screwed Hogan over, since they're twins they did the old switcheroo. And blam, Andre the Giant was briefly WWF champ before handing over the title to DeBiasi

[3dman27]

i for one don't know when it shows.. ill most likely start watching it once it gets on spike..

but the only think i can't stand about tna. iss.... the pounce!!!
sorry i know some ppl like the alpha male.. but I for one don't
once it gets therer i'll give it a shot too i just hope its not a recap show

[John Constantine]

whoa they made it downloadable? how are they making money off thaT? do they rely on ppv?

Yeah, you can get it streaming online via Realplayer from their website.

And I think they just solely rely on their PPV revenues. It's not that different from their deal with FSN anyways. I heard they were literally paying FSN money to air Impact....:confused:

[Jason Blood]

They still have a few TV deals

TSN in Canada and some other places

[Sabretooth]

Now that HBK's heel,what are the chances of Bret Hart vs. Shawn Michaels at WM 22?

[Bad Superman]

Now that HBK's heel,what are the chances of Bret Hart vs. Shawn Michaels at WM 22?

None since Bret Hart suffered an injury (thanks to Goldberg's recklessness) which prevents him from wrestling.

[Sabretooth]

None since Bret Hart suffered an injury (thanks to Goldberg's recklessness) which prevents him from wrestling.
Didn't he get better though?And I just want him to do a real farewell to the fans :(

[Bad Superman]

Didn't he get better though?And I just want him to do a real farewell to the fans :(

That's a good question. Yeah, I wanted him to do a farewell too. He is one of my all-time favorites. If Goldberg would've been careful, Im pretty sure we would still watch Bret on WWE.

[U.S War Machine]

The Hitman will make his debute

[John Constantine]

They still have a few TV deals

TSN in Canada and some other places

Those are old episodes though. They air episodes back from 2003 and move up. I should know because those were the ones I watched :o :(

[John Constantine]

Didn't he get better though?And I just want him to do a real farewell to the fans :(

He might one of these days come down to the ring and address the fans one last time. But as for wrestling one final match, very very unlikely since he suffered that concussion and stroke...

[White_Howling]

None since Bret Hart suffered an injury (thanks to Goldberg's recklessness) which prevents him from wrestling.

what injury did he get and from what move?

[Pink Ranger]

what injury did he get and from what move?

Bret received a concussion, from a Goldberg kick. A KICK. The second simplest move in wrestling, something even Torrie Wilson could do properly, and Goldberg effs it up and ends the career of one of the greatest workers in wrestling history.

[Sabretooth]

The reason I loathe Goldberg :)

[TheVileOne]

Whatever chances Bret Hart had at returning to the ring were totally and utterly nullified by his recent stroke.

[The Techno Bat]

TNA is delivering some of the best shows ever and you guys are talking about why some referee got fired :( .

Hogan is the last person you give the belt to right now. **** Hogan and Flair.

They gave Hogan the belt again in 2002 and it was horrible.

I disagree with you, I think giving the belt to a veteran right now would be the best thing for RAW, HBK, HOGAN, or Flair. Anything would be better than John Cena, he hasn't even put in his time. Orton was a horrible choice as well. These guys are proving why guys like HHH should be the champion.

Hogan's title run in 2002 made for great TV, every week he got a 10 minute ovation

[Donnie Darko]

I would push for Kurt Angle as champ, not HHH, Hogan, Flair, or HBK... but that's just me

[brainchild81]

No it's not just you. It's me also. Hogan's last title run was a disgrace.

[Metamorpho1977]

well JR had a stroke, and he still has the occasional ass whooping, I think Brett could come back.

[John Constantine]

I would push for Kurt Angle as champ, not HHH, Hogan, Flair, or HBK... but that's just me

Yeah, that's who I would like to see get another title run as well. I also wouldn't mind seeing Jericho getting a proper title reign.

[LastSunrise1981]

I can think of a lot of other guys who deserve the title.

I'm tired of seeing Ego H in the run for the title, and we all know when he comes back, he'll come back for the title and we'll have to endure more 20 minute promos of how he's the best and so forth.

Keep the championship run fresh and exciting. Push guys like Jericho, Edge, Kane, Cena, Angle, and Rob Van Dam for the championship belt.

Right now, Raw has very few face wrestlers and little wrestlers as well. You definitely see how thin the roster is via releases, injuries, or being sent over to Smackdown. I still haven't kept up with the WWE nor have I watched Raw or Smackdown, but if TNA gets their TV deal and I hope to the Wrestling Gods they do.

Then I believe that's when we'll start seeing better product. But until then, don't expect Vince to put out anything good, especially when there's no competition to stand in his way.

Raw needs to make it even for faces and heels.

Chris Jericho should've been kept as a face and built as the cocky, smartass, and charismatic persona he had in his debut.

WWE really shot themselves in the foot with those releases. They have very little wrestlers and it's showing right now, we can only hope that TNA gets a TV deal really fast and can make an impact on the stations.

[John Constantine]

Yeah, I noticed on Raw this week that the roster was pretty damn weak. Especially when the Raw faces came out to "save" Cena. How many faces actually came out? 5 or 6? That's pretty pathetic.

I think the WWE is set to either 1)recombine the rosters again or 2)bring in a ****load of (green) OVW prospects and ECW wrestlers.

I think the latter sounds more likely.....

[The Batman]

I hope to sweet god Shelton Benjamin finds a good gimmick. WWE's stupid enough to release a guy like him...

[LastSunrise1981]

I hope to sweet god Shelton Benjamin finds a good gimmick. WWE's stupid enough to release a guy like him...

Shhhh don't give them any ideas. :( :mad:

[The Batman]

I'm just scared. i've already come up with a concept for him...

[John Constantine]

I highly, highly doubt that Benjamin's getting released. This guy had one of the longest IC title reigns in the past while. I think the WWE is putting a lot of stock into this guy.

[The Batman]

I hope so. If lesnar comes back, i wanna see him fued with Benjamin. and then have Shelton win.

[Sabretooth]

I want Haas to pull a Matt Hardy and return to Raw and attack Benjamin

[3dman27]

I want Haas to pull a Matt Hardy and return to Raw and attack Benjamin
thatt'll work :spidey:

[LastSunrise1981]

I want Haas to pull a Matt Hardy and return to Raw and attack Benjamin

I want Macho Man to pull a Matt Hardy and attack Hogan. :o :up:

I'd totally mark out for that, especially knowing the hatred between the two as well.

[Jason Blood]

I want Macho Man to pull a Matt Hardy and attack Hogan. :o :up:

I'd totally mark out for that, especially knowing the hatred between the two as well.
Too bad it would be a real shoot

[Sabretooth]

Undertaker has a better shot at attacking Hogan though :(

[U.S War Machine]

What do you mean?

[Jason Blood]

Undertaker has a better shot at attacking Hogan though :(
too bad he's a face


UPN Has BANNED MUHAMMED HASSAN FROM SMACKDOWN

[TheVileOne]

For once a good and smart move by UPN.

And it looks like TNA Wrestling is going to be on Spike TV this fall:

http://www.tnawrestling.com/spiketv/index.html

TNA iMPACT! TO TELECAST ON SPIKE TV!
New York, NY (July 21, 2005) – TNA Entertainment, LLC has signed a deal with Spike TV to telecast TNA (Total Nonstop Action) Wrestling’s weekly action athletic entertainment series “iMPACT!” The weekly one-hour show will join Spike TV’s popular “Slammin’ Saturday Night” programming block starting this Fall, taping at Soundstage 21 at Universal Studios in Orlando, FL.

“We are thrilled to be coming to Spike TV,” said Dixie Carter, President, TNA Entertainment, LLC. “We look forward to bringing our exciting style of Total Non-stop Action and entertainment to their male viewers.”

The new wrestling alternative, Total Nonstop Action Wrestling’s iMPACT! delivers a distinct brand of high-risk, live-action athletic entertainment. TNA’s roster includes some of the most exciting and recognizable stars in wrestling today such as, Jeff Jarrett, Raven, Jeff Hardy, AJ Styles, Abyss, Sean Waltman, Christopher Daniels, Monty Brown and others. TNA features the high-flying “X Division,” the “Six-Sided Ring,” and concept matches such as “Ultimate X,” “King of the Mountain,” and “Six Sides of Steel.”

TNA Entertainment, LLC is a privately held company headquartered in Nashville, TN. TNA programming is currently available in 118 countries. TNA is also available on monthly pay-per-view on iN DEMAND, DIRECTV, Dish Network and TVN as well as Viewer’s Choice, Bell ExpressVu and Shaw PPV in Canada. The names of all Total Nonstop Action Wrestling televised programming, talent names, images, likenesses, slogans and all TNA Wrestling logos and trademarks are exclusive property of TNA Entertainment, LLC. All other trademarks are the property of their respective owners. For more information, visit www.tnawrestling.com.

Spike TV, the first network for men, is available in 88 million homes and is a division of MTV Networks. MTV Networks, a division of Viacom International Inc. (NYSE: VIA, VIA.B).


Give TNA a chance people and you WILL forget about WWE. That is if you like GOOD wrestling over dumbass storylines and gimmicks.

[Bad Superman]

too bad he's a face


UPN Has BANNED MUHAMMED HASSAN FROM SMACKDOWN

Well I guess that gimmick is over after today's bombings.

[TheVileOne]

Well I guess that gimmick is over after today's bombings.

The gimmick ran its course a long time ago, the **** they pulled crossed the line big time.

WWE in the last 8 years has always been about crossing the line, this time it backfired...big time.

WWE is always preaching freedom of expression and free speech, yet they pull this stupid **** and they have fans who bring in TNA signs ripped apart.

[John Constantine]

I want Haas to pull a Matt Hardy and return to Raw and attack Benjamin

That's overdoing it IMO. I'm even getting tired of the current Matt Hardy gimmick. And it's only been a week. Let me guess what happens on Raw this week. Edge loses to Kane in the Stretcher match and while Edge is tied up in the stretcher, Hardy yet again comes out and attacks Edge...:rolleyes:

[John Constantine]

For once a good and smart move by UPN.

And it looks like TNA Wrestling is going to be on Spike TV this fall:

http://www.tnawrestling.com/spiketv/index.html



Give TNA a chance people and you WILL forget about WWE. That is if you like GOOD wrestling over dumbass storylines and gimmicks.

Good news for TNA. They'll be kinda starting out like WCW. REmember when WCW Saturday Night was the main show for WCW? ;)

I hope they still have the streaming online format for Realplayer though because I don't have Spike TV anymore :confused: :mad: :(

[John Constantine]

Well I guess that gimmick is over after today's bombings.

If they had stuck to the gimmick of him being just an ordinary Arab-American who's being persecuted because he's Arab, I doubt they would've had to do this. That gimmick would've been far better for Hassan and there would've been more potential. But nooo, they had to pull the whole "let's have him get a terrorist cell out there to attack the Undertaker".


If the WWE were smart though, this could be the start of a whole new gimmick for Hassan: Hassan versus UPN. But of course, something like that could be too "controversial" and raise too many complaints by "viewers" who should maybe shut off the tv whenever they see something that shocks them instead of complaining about it :rolleyes:

[Riggs15382]

wrestling is fake

[Donnie Darko]

I hope TNA's new show is better than it was on FSN. Seriously, the wrestling was really good for the most part, but matches were like 2 minutes long and half the show was ads for upcoming ppvs and dvds.

[John Constantine]

That's how they get their money though. TNA had to basically pay FSN to show Impact, so really, Impact was nothing more than a "commercial" for TNA to display their product. That way, people might get interested in it and pay money to buy their PPVs and dvds.....

[3dman27]

I hope TNA's new show is better than it was on FSN. Seriously, the wrestling was really good for the most part, but matches were like 2 minutes long and half the show was ads for upcoming ppvs and dvds.
thats what the wwe seems like sometimes i wish the'd show more matches less recaps :spidey:

[Jehuty]

That's a good question. Yeah, I wanted him to do a farewell too. He is one of my all-time favorites. If Goldberg would've been careful, Im pretty sure we would still watch Bret on WWE.
EDIT nvm

[TheVileOne]

Good news for TNA. They'll be kinda starting out like WCW. REmember when WCW Saturday Night was the main show for WCW? ;)

I hope they still have the streaming online format for Realplayer though because I don't have Spike TV anymore :confused: :mad: :(

Well they will probably stop that after they get on Spike. But that won't happen until WWE leaves in October.

Just a little FYI people, you can download current and PAST episodes of TNA IMPACT on their official website:

http://www.tnawrestling.com/


I hope TNA's new show is better than it was on FSN. Seriously, the wrestling was really good for the most part, but matches were like 2 minutes long and half the show was ads for upcoming ppvs and dvds.


Well it kind of speaks of the ability of TNA that their 2 minute matches are better than any of the longer ones we see on RAW sometimes featuring Gene Snitksy and the like.

There have been some longer matches on IMPACT. The online ones specifically have had some longer 8-10 minute matches. Like the first online IMPACT had a fantastic Elix Skipper/Christopher Daniels match that went like 12 minutes, and Michael Shane vs. James Storm that went like 9 minutes. You can download a lot of these matches on the TNA forums (downloads thread).

And in case anyone asks, NO I do not work for TNA or Panda Energy. I just want people to WATCH TNA because they are really good :) .

[TheVileOne]

If they had stuck to the gimmick of him being just an ordinary Arab-American who's being persecuted because he's Arab, I doubt they would've had to do this. That gimmick would've been far better for Hassan and there would've been more potential. But nooo, they had to pull the whole "let's have him get a terrorist cell out there to attack the Undertaker".

Let's face it was a bad gimmick. WWE did everything they did with the character to try and get controversy and mainstream media attention and it BACKFIRED big time. WWE has always been about crossing the line, and I hate them for it. I hope they get a hailstorm of **** rained upon them for pulling this kind of crap because it needs to stop. Its NOT entertaining and it provokes and incites negative feelings toward Arabs and Arab Americans. Not to mention its horribly stereotypical. I don't even think the guy is really even Arab.


If the WWE were smart though, this could be the start of a whole new gimmick for Hassan: Hassan versus UPN. But of course, something like that could be too "controversial" and raise too many complaints by "viewers" who should maybe shut off the tv whenever they see something that shocks them instead of complaining about it :rolleyes:

At this point, the smart thing to do would be to kill what was a horrible, stupid, and tasteless angle, let it go.

I haven't heard too much about complaints, but the presence of these segments at this time are just horribly wrong, its common sense.

[John Constantine]

Yeah, but that segment was filmed two days before the terrorist actions. It's not like the WWE did it to capitalize on the incidents, it was just entirely coincidential.

And to be honest, I thought Hassan's gimmick at first was not as bad. It was just the average American who felt betrayed by the circumstances surrounding him. They could've done a lot with the character. I just hated how the WWE later on decided to make him into the stereotypical Arab wrestler afterwards.....

[Lobo]

Does anyone know where I can get some good pics of Ashley (the current diva contestant) I need them for a new avatar.

[John Constantine]

Well they will probably stop that after they get on Spike. But that won't happen until WWE leaves in October.

Just a little FYI people, you can download current and PAST episodes of TNA IMPACT on their official website:

http://www.tnawrestling.com/


****. I was hoping they would still keep it around because that's like the only way I can catch Impact now :down

[White_Howling]

Yeah, but that segment was filmed two days before the terrorist actions. It's not like the WWE did it to capitalize on the incidents, it was just entirely coincidential.

And to be honest, I thought Hassan's gimmick at first was not as bad. It was just the average American who felt betrayed by the circumstances surrounding him. They could've done a lot with the character. I just hated how the WWE later on decided to make him into the stereotypical Arab wrestler afterwards.....


the moment they aired the cargo ban terroist agents running down to beat up the undertaker.. i knew everyone was going to throw a fit.. but that sucks upn asking wwe to take him off ... it wasn't the "actors" fault..

but wait a sec weres raw moving to after they get taken off spike?

[John Constantine]

the moment they aired the cargo ban terroist agents running down to beat up the undertaker.. i knew everyone was going to throw a fit.. but that sucks upn asking wwe to take him off ... it wasn't the "actors" fault..

but wait a sec weres raw moving to after they get taken off spike?

Yeah, me too. I just knew there were going to be so many complaints against it. This could be the start of a new angle though - WWE versus the network similar to what ECW did in it's dying days....


And Raw is moving back to USA Network, something they should've never left. Smackdown is basically ****ed.....

[White_Howling]

Yeah, me too. I just knew there were going to be so many complaints against it. This could be the start of a new angle though - WWE versus the network similar to what ECW did in it's dying days....


And Raw is moving back to USA Network, something they should've never left. Smackdown is basically ****ed.....

if their having finance.. they should just fire all those damn DIVAS

[John Constantine]

The sad thing is, the diva search is a segment that is drawing huge ratings for Raw, so if anything, the WWE may keep doing these searches :(

[TheVileOne]

Yeah, but that segment was filmed two days before the terrorist actions. It's not like the WWE did it to capitalize on the incidents, it was just entirely coincidential.

And to be honest, I thought Hassan's gimmick at first was not as bad. It was just the average American who felt betrayed by the circumstances surrounding him. They could've done a lot with the character. I just hated how the WWE later on decided to make him into the stereotypical Arab wrestler afterwards.....

It was a stupid, stereotypical character from the start. Controversy and pissing people off was EXACTLY what WWE wanted and what they were exactly pushing for. In this case it just backfired big time.

The guy actually "SLIT" the throats of his opponents before he applies his finishing move.

The character has to go plain and simple. I actually have a little respect that UPN is demanding that it not be shown on Smackdown.

[Hunter Rider]

Source: WrestlingObserver.com

As reported, UPN has requested that WWE remove Muhammad Hassan from SmackDown. The WWE writing team has not made an official decision regarding Hassan's future as a character, but only two suggestions are really getting notice at this point.

One, as noted earlier, would see Undertaker kill the Hassan character off at Great American Bash. Since Hassan was scheduled to defeat Undertaker and wrestle Batista for the World Title at Summerslam, it would be interesting to see how WWE would go about changing plans for this Sunday's PPV and, consequently, Summerslam.

The other would be to send Hassan back to RAW, so that Hassan could go into a tirade about being censored by SmackDown. The fear associated with moving Hassan to RAW is that the media would continue to express outrage and force Spike TV to also nix the character, at which point, WWE would look foolish. In fact, Spike TV might have already informed WWE that it has no interest in carrying the character, which would force WWE to further investigate the other option.

heh,he was mediocre anyway and than k god this will avoid a Batista/Hassan Summerslam match,he was not ready for that by a long way

[John Constantine]

It was a stupid, stereotypical character from the start. Controversy and pissing people off was EXACTLY what WWE wanted and what they were exactly pushing for. In this case it just backfired big time.

The guy actually "SLIT" the throats of his opponents before he applies his finishing move.

The character has to go plain and simple. I actually have a little respect that UPN is demanding that it not be shown on Smackdown.

I could really see Hassan going by his real name in the future. Saying that he was forced by the WWE to go with that gimmick. They could actually have him come off with the gimmick the WWE should've done with him in the first place. Something like that may actually help and salvage his career a bit....

[TheVileOne]

I could really see Hassan going by his real name in the future. Saying that he was forced by the WWE to go with that gimmick. They could actually have him come off with the gimmick the WWE should've done with him in the first place. Something like that may actually help and salvage his career a bit....

Well his real name is Mark Magnus, and I don't think he's Arab. He could be, though I doubt it. I think he's actually Italian.

And it looks like WWE is buckling, and in light of recent events, it IS the right thing to do:

http://www.wwe.com/inside/news/hassanwwe

Due to the unfortunate terrorist attacks in London on Thursday, July 7, which coincided with our pre-produced WWE SmackDown! program, UPN has asked us to be sensitive to the usage of the Arab-American character, Muhammad Hassan. We have agreed with UPN, and have not had the character on SmackDown! since that date. It is uncertain as to whether or not the WWE will continue with this character beyond this Sunday’s Pay-Per-View, The Great American Bash.

The way I see it, Undertaker will "kill" or vanquish the Mohammed Hassan character for good at Great American Bash.

Face it guys, a stupid and dumbass gimmick/character like that has NO longevity, it is for the best. Just like RTC, but Hassan was so much worse.

[John Constantine]

Well his real name is Mark Magnus, and I don't think he's Arab. He could be, though I doubt it. I think he's actually Italian.

And it looks like WWE is buckling, and in light of recent events, it IS the right thing to do:

http://www.wwe.com/inside/news/hassanwwe



The way I see it, Undertaker will "kill" or vanquish the Mohammed Hassan character for good at Great American Bash.

Face it guys, a stupid and dumbass gimmick/character like that has NO longevity, it is for the best. Just like RTC, but Hassan was so much worse.

Yeah, that's what I heard too. That he's 100 percent Italian. If they do have Hassan go by his real name, it could actually help him go over as a huge mega-face in the WWE. Have him come out and totally denounce the WWE for their "shock value" and all that.

[TheVileOne]

Yeah, that's what I heard too. That he's 100 percent Italian. If they do have Hassan go by his real name, it could actually help him go over as a huge mega-face in the WWE. Have him come out and totally denounce the WWE for their "shock value" and all that.
They tried something similar with Chaz, and that didn't really work either.

Also Billy And Chuck, which DEFINITELY didn't work.

[John Constantine]

Yeah, but Hassan/Magnus is someone who the WWE definitely wants to get over as a future main-eventer. I'm sure they'll try as hard as they can to make sure it works.

Plus, it doesn't hurt if his first promo as his normal self is that he comes out and personally apologizes to the fans for his actions as Hassan ;)

[TheVileOne]

Yeah, but Hassan/Magnus is someone who the WWE definitely wants to get over as a future main-eventer. I'm sure they'll try as hard as they can to make sure it works.

I dunno, I think the guy sucks as a wrestler and has very little potential at this point. Just another talentless big ass slug that WWE adores so much.


Plus, it doesn't hurt if his first promo as his normal self is that he comes out and personally apologizes to the fans for his actions as Hassan ;)

Even that would be stupid. WWE obviously isn't sorry about it. They are pissed that their "brilliant" gimmick backfired on them. I doubt Magnus is sorry either. They should just get rid of the character, send Magnus back to OVW and then maybe repackage him and bring him back with something else.

[John Constantine]

Just because they aren't sorry, doesn't mean they won't try and do that. I just think it's something the WWE could do. Especially since UPN just wants to get rid of the Muhammad Hassan gimmick. I see the WWE taking advantage of a situation like this and try and put it in their favour.....

[TheVileOne]

And I'm just saying, when they've done it before when something like this backfires, it still ends in disaster anyway :) .

[John Constantine]

I guess we'll just have to wait and see what the WWE ends up doing then :o :)

[Sabretooth]

That's overdoing it IMO. I'm even getting tired of the current Matt Hardy gimmick. And it's only been a week. Let me guess what happens on Raw this week. Edge loses to Kane in the Stretcher match and while Edge is tied up in the stretcher, Hardy yet again comes out and attacks Edge...:rolleyes:
Yeah,but after this feud,Matt Hardy's gonna end up where he was exactly a year ago :(

[The Batman]

I feel bad for Magnus: He basically did whatever WWE told him to do, and he's getting punished for it. They'll probably release him too if they dont find anything for him...

[John Constantine]

I feel bad for Magnus: He basically did whatever WWE told him to do, and he's getting punished for it. They'll probably release him too if they dont find anything for him...

Nah, they won't. They'll definitely find something else for him to work as. They see Magnus as a potential future main-eventer....

[TheVileOne]

I see Magnus as a potential main eventer as well...on Velocity.

[Sabretooth]

Damn,looks like GAB will be officially be the PPV where Undertaker goes killing people.Last year he ''killed'' Paul Bearer,and this year WWE are thinking of having Undertaker killing off Muhhammad Hassan

[Donnie Darko]

I think the WWE should let Christian cut everyone's promos for them

[Donnie Darko]

whatever happened with last year's GAB? I mean, I saw the ppv, then didn't see SD for a good while afterwards. Undertaker did the whole Paul Bearer thing at the end, then apparently joined up with Heyman and the Dudleys. Did that go anywhere?

[Sabretooth]

I thought he beat the Dudleys and then killed Bearer.I don't remember him joining with Heyman afterwards :confused:

[John Constantine]

I think he only joined Heyman before GAB. The Dudleys "kidnapped" Paul Bearer and Undertaker went under the services of Heyman for a while. Then when UT killed Bearer, he started to stalk Heyman until he was off tv for a while.

Then Heyman returned...with Heidenreich :(

[Donnie Darko]

oh ok, I just remember Heyman telling him "make the right choice," so I thought killing Paul Bearer meant he was joining Heyman

[TheVileOne]

No. Killing Bearer meant he was severing all his ties and now had nothing to lose apparently.

I don't know, its dumbass WWE booking and logic.

[Sabretooth]

Damn I can't stand Melina.Her boobs are so damn fake,and I think they get bigger every time I see her.And her teeth are jacked

[Donnie Darko]

isn't it kinda weird to watch SD and actually see two talented wrestlers in the ring at the same time? it seems like that never happens on Raw. I mean, there is usually a Masters or Snitsky in the ring. I mean, I just saw Benoit vs Guerrero in the middle of the show. That's better than any Raw main event I've seen in a while.

[Jason Blood]

Damn I can't stand Melina.Her boobs are so damn fake,and I think they get bigger every time I see her.And her teeth are jacked
HERESY!!!

how dare you speak of Melina that way

[Sabretooth]

Alexis was hotter

[TheVileOne]

isn't it kinda weird to watch SD and actually see two talented wrestlers in the ring at the same time? it seems like that never happens on Raw. I mean, there is usually a Masters or Snitsky in the ring. I mean, I just saw Benoit vs Guerrero in the middle of the show. That's better than any Raw main event I've seen in a while.
It happened a lot . . . when Benoit was on RAW.

[Jason Blood]

I wonder if JBL will actually win this sunday

Did he steal Kenzo's outfit?

[Donnie Darko]

ok, random question time...

1. If you could bring 5 wrestlers back into the WWE, who would they be?
2. If you could fire 5 wrestlers from the WWE, who would they be?

bring back- Haas, Bubba Ray Dudley, D-Von Dudley, Sean O'Haire, Justin Credible
fire- Snitsky, Masters, Scotty 2 Hotty, Eugene (sure, he hasn't been around in a long time, but I hate him), Kane (I know a lot of you love him, but I think he's awful)

[Sabretooth]

1.Bring Back-Dudley Boys,Haas,Kidman,O'Haire
2.Fire-Hurricane and Rosey(they're not going anywhere) Heidenreich,Masters,Snitsky

[Donnie Darko]

Kidman is definitely one to bring back. I used to love Kidman back in his Flock days.

Rosey I would be ok with them getting rid of, but Hurricane I love. They just don't let him show his skills enough.

[John Constantine]

isn't it kinda weird to watch SD and actually see two talented wrestlers in the ring at the same time? it seems like that never happens on Raw. I mean, there is usually a Masters or Snitsky in the ring. I mean, I just saw Benoit vs Guerrero in the middle of the show. That's better than any Raw main event I've seen in a while.

It's probably because Smackdown is more of the "wrestling" show. They usually have the better wrestlers. Raw is more of the sports entertainment show now. It's full of those that can speak well and provide a good show mic-wise, but have mediocre wrestling skills

Well except for Kurt angle being on Raw, but he truly belongs on SD anyways :o

[John Constantine]

ok, random question time...

1. If you could bring 5 wrestlers back into the WWE, who would they be?
2. If you could fire 5 wrestlers from the WWE, who would they be?

bring back- Haas, Bubba Ray Dudley, D-Von Dudley, Sean O'Haire, Justin Credible
fire- Snitsky, Masters, Scotty 2 Hotty, Eugene (sure, he hasn't been around in a long time, but I hate him), Kane (I know a lot of you love him, but I think he's awful)

bringing back - Haas and O'Haire as well, Akio (but this time let him go all-out, have him go by Jimmy Yang again, and let him speak. He's pretty good on the mic), Jamie Noble, Rhyno.


Get rid of - Gene Snitzky, Heidenreich, Hardcore Holly, Val Venis (yeah, he's been around forever and he's a good worker, but he's going to forever be the porn star), Tyson Tomko, Chris Masters......I would fire a lot actually :o

[White_Howling]

i think the main problem with wwe is they keep using the same wrestlers to go after the title (triple H, JBL).. they never give changes to new bloods.. hell how long before batista could hold the belt or cena.. they keep using the same people over and over again.. angel and booker t fights every thursdays.. angel and eddy every thursday.. its like they can't come up with anything new.. just my two cents

[3dman27]

hire back
molly holly
nidia
charlie haas
jackie gayda
fire
triple h
eric bischoff
the coach
lita
edge

[Jason Blood]

I know one person that should be hired

Gail Kim

[The Techno Bat]

I think the problem is some of the fresher and newer blood that is allowed to run with the title or be pushed to the main event doesn't bring in the revenue big ticket or money sales that they are used to. I think that is why they keep putting the belt back on the veterans, who I feel should have the title. If not a Hogan or a Flair, then definately Jericho, Christian, Eddie Guerro or Chris Benoit should be the guys with the world title right now, not John Cena, Randy Orton, or Brock Lesnar when and if he comes. I think that Batista because of his age (34 or 35) is mature enough and understands what it takes to be a champion, and it didn't hurt that he, Ric Flair and HHH were put in a program for almost a year, and they ran together with Evolution.

I don't know if I would hire back any of the guys the WWE fired, WHY? The WWE was not using them properly anyway so why bring them back to be doing the same thing they were already doing and that is using them in the wrong way. I hope guys like Billy Kidman, Aiko, Mark Jindrak, etc... land on there feet in Japan or in NWA-TNA and really help those federations because I think a FRESH start would be the best thing for the guys and gals released/Fired by the WWE

[kane9321]

Damn I can't stand Melina.Her boobs are so damn fake,and I think they get bigger every time I see her.And her teeth are jacked

No way tooth,melina is the best thing on smackdown(well her and torrie as far as the women go)

[Lobo]

Batista is 39

[Jason Blood]

John Cena was in a commercial on USA

the commercial was supposed to be a tribute to characters or something


I can't wait until WWE is back on USA

[3dman27]

No way tooth,melina is the best thing on smackdown(well her and torrie as far as the women go)
TORRIE
TORRIE
TORRIE :spidey:

[White_Howling]

Batista is 39


does anyone know how old triple h and undertaker are?

[hotrain33]

I was curious as to what the wwe plans to do with the hassan character now that upn has made it pubically known that they don't want it on their network. Will they have Hassan defeated soundly at the pay per view.

[3dman27]

i was wondering how they plan to recap this bout on smackdown with hassan off limits will they cancel the GAB match andsend him back to raw or give mr magnus[ i think thats his real name ]a new character?

[White_Howling]

i was wondering how they plan to recap this bout on smackdown with hassan off limits will they cancel the GAB match andsend him back to raw or give mr magnus[ i think thats his real name ]a new character?

its'd be fun if he comes back with a mask on.. and drop his whole muslim gig... to tell the truth the first time i saw him come on.. everyone knew this was just going to be BAD NEW

[White_Howling]

well hassan's rel name is mark copani..

heres the update http://www.fhwrestling.com/home/2005/07/22/wwe-upn-comment-on-dropping-hassan-character/

the site also says he was fired!!!

[3dman27]

well hassan's rel name is mark copani..

heres the update http://www.fhwrestling.com/home/2005/07/22/wwe-upn-comment-on-dropping-hassan-character/

the site also says he was fired!!!
according to that article mr copani and mr divari have been FIRED FOR WHAT ESSENTIALY WAS A BAD CHOICE OF THE WRITERS somehow that doesn't seem right i mean FIRING them for the WRITERS bad idea how will the wwe address this on the GAB and since the weekend syndication show for smackdown bottom line has already been taped will they acknoledge this matter or will they be stuck with an obsolete segment?
its ironic in character hassan saw himself as a scapegoat fror the audiences "prejiduce" now mr.copelli is a scapegoat for a bad storyline

[3dman27]

any predictions for GAB?

TORRIE over melina
REY MYSTERIO over eddie
BATISTAover jbl
ANIMAL&HEIDENREICH over m&m

[Hunter Rider]

any predictions for GAB?

TORRIE over melina
REY MYSTERIO over eddie
BATISTAover jbl
ANIMAL&HEIDENREICH over m&m

My only real prediction is it will suck
the predictions you made seem about right except i doubt Animal and heidenreich will win,i also expect Benoit to beat Jordan

[Hunter Rider]

I just got through skipping through Raw,it was quite possibly the worst wrestling show ive ever seen:(

Carlito vs Shelton-predictble and Carltio still looks crap
Diva search-...............
Kane vs Edge-most boring feud ive seen in ages,Kane sucks as a face
HBK/Hogan mic segment- http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/10/10_2_5.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZNxdm824AXGB)poor HBK looks bored and depressed with the angle
Angle and the teacher-WTF ? complete waste of a great wrestler:mad:
Cena vs Snitsky-there are no words to describe how bad that so called match was:o

[White_Howling]

yeah raw lost it.. i've given up on that show.. too much crap..

[Sabretooth]

Angle needs to get his ass in the main event.Hell,the WWE champ is even stuck in mid card!

[TheVileOne]

Well hunter rider is right, Great American Bash is definitely going to suck.

TNA PPV's...don't suck.

[Sabretooth]

Mick Foley's in talks with WWE to return :up:

[John Constantine]

I just got through skipping through Raw,it was quite possibly the worst wrestling show ive ever seen:(

Carlito vs Shelton-predictble and Carltio still looks crap
Diva search-...............
Kane vs Edge-most boring feud ive seen in ages,Kane sucks as a face
HBK/Hogan mic segment- http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/10/10_2_5.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZNxdm824AXGB)poor HBK looks bored and depressed with the angle
Angle and the teacher-WTF ? complete waste of a great wrestler:mad:
Cena vs Snitsky-there are no words to describe how bad that so called match was:o

Yeah, Raw has been sliding more and more into crap each week. It might have to do with putting too many "name" wrestlers into one show.

It may also have to do with putting Snitsky into the main event last week and announcing Kane vs Edge part 1293019201929292110.

And no, I'm not lying about that number. That's how many times the two have wrestled against each other this year......

[Hunter Rider]

Yeah, Raw has been sliding more and more into crap each week. It might have to do with putting too many "name" wrestlers into one show.

It may also have to do with putting Snitsky into the main event last week and announcing Kane vs Edge part 1293019201929292110.

And no, I'm not lying about that number. That's how many times the two have wrestled against each other this year......

yeah and they are fighting each other again next week:(
The fact someone in the "creative team" thoguht it was good to put snitzky in the main event was bad enough but it also made the already crap WWE champ look even worse
I honeslty think that Shelton and HBK shouldve went to SD
The fact Y2J is being made to look a pussy again tells me he is gone after summerslam and was i the only one that thought HBK actualy looked bored with his segment with Hogan ??

[John Constantine]

yeah and they are fighting each other again next week:(
The fact someone in the "creative team" thoguht it was good to put snitzky in the main event was bad enough but it also made the already crap WWE champ look even worse
I honeslty think that Shelton and HBK shouldve went to SD
The fact Y2J is being made to look a pussy again tells me he is gone after summerslam and was i the only one that thought HBK actualy looked bored with his segment with Hogan ??

And you know what's going to happen again in that match? Matt Hardy will somehow sneak into the arena again and attack Edge. :rolleyes: It's only been two weeks, and I'm already tired of this shoot angle :mad:

It's not just putting Snitsky into the main event, it's that they had Chris Jericho and Kurt Angle as lumberjacks and they had Gene ****ing Snitsky fighting in the actual match. How sad is that?

On the whole, I enjoyed Smackdown a lot more this week. I'm actually starting to tolerate Batista more as a champion, the Rey-Super Crazy and Guerrero-Benoit matches were both pretty good. The only thing I didn't like about the show was the horrible build-up for GAB. Hell, they announced a bWo-Mexicools match on the WWE website. Why couldn't they have done that on Smackdown instead? :confused:

[Sabretooth]

They need to just announce Matt vs. Edge for Summerslam instead of this shoot crap.Hell,last week the people didn't make a peep and it was only Matt's second appearance.

Oh,and they need to stop Kane as a face.Now.Kane ****ing SUCKS as a face.

[Hunter Rider]

And you know what's going to happen again in that match? Matt Hardy will somehow sneak into the arena again and attack Edge. :rolleyes: It's only been two weeks, and I'm already tired of this shoot angle :mad:

It's not just putting Snitsky into the main event, it's that they had Chris Jericho and Kurt Angle as lumberjacks and they had Gene ****ing Snitsky fighting in the actual match. How sad is that?

On the whole, I enjoyed Smackdown a lot more this week. I'm actually starting to tolerate Batista more as a champion, the Rey-Super Crazy and Guerrero-Benoit matches were both pretty good. The only thing I didn't like about the show was the horrible build-up for GAB. Hell, they announced a bWo-Mexicools match on the WWE website. Why couldn't they have done that on Smackdown instead? :confused:

yeah the Matt/Edge thing needs to be stepped up,the stupid thing this week was you couldnt even see him the security jumped on him so quick:confused:
The fact Angle and Y2J were lumberjacks EVER is degrading given their status
I also cant figure why they broguth Angle and Show across,neother are doing anything and now the Big show is stuck with that piece of crap masters-another wonderful OVW product:rolleyes:
i havent see Sd yet but i thought it was Ok last week and Batista is doing ok but they desperately need Lesnar and Orton to get on the show IMO
Summerslam is looking crap,what do you think will be the actual main event ?

[John Constantine]

yeah the Matt/Edge thing needs to be stepped up,the stupid thing this week was you couldnt even see him the security jumped on him so quick:confused:
The fact Angle and Y2J were lumberjacks EVER is degrading given their status
I also cant figure why they broguth Angle and Show across,neother are doing anything and now the Big show is stuck with that piece of crap masters-another wonderful OVW product:rolleyes:
i havent see Sd yet but i thought it was Ok last week and Batista is doing ok but they desperately need Lesnar and Orton to get on the show IMO
Summerslam is looking crap,what do you think will be the actual main event ?

They only brought Angle and Show to Raw because they wanted to move all the "big names" to the "main show". Which is bull**** because both of them are going to be wasted on Raw now. However, I'm thinking that the only reason why Show is feuding with Masters now is that they want Masters to go over with the crowd and way to do it will be that Big Show can't even break out of the Masterlock. Yeah, it sounds a bit dumb, but oh well....:o

Orton is supposed to be back soon...I think :confused: He was supposed to interfere in the UT-Hassan match at GAB but I guess that's off now :confused:

As for the Summerslam main event, I think it's probably going to be Shawn MIchaels versus Hulk Hogan. I don't really know who Batista might face off against now that they got rid of Hassan.....Maybe Eddie Guerrero? :confused:

[Hunter Rider]

They only brought Angle and Show to Raw because they wanted to move all the "big names" to the "main show". Which is bull**** because both of them are going to be wasted on Raw now. However, I'm thinking that the only reason why Show is feuding with Masters now is that they want Masters to go over with the crowd and way to do it will be that Big Show can't even break out of the Masterlock. Yeah, it sounds a bit dumb, but oh well....http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/redface1.gif

Orton is supposed to be back soon...I think http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/confused.gif He was supposed to interfere in the UT-Hassan match at GAB but I guess that's off now http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/confused.gif

As for the Summerslam main event, I think it's probably going to be Shawn MIchaels versus Hulk Hogan. I don't really know who Batista might face off against now that they got rid of Hassan.....Maybe Eddie Guerrero? http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/confused.gif

i guess Angle is there to put Cena over eventualy as my theory is that him HBK and HHH have all been put together on RAW to put Cena overhttp://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/mad.gif
As for Masters,all i can say is if they intend to try and push masters there really is no hope left and if the crowd buy into the big show not being able to break the masterlock i just hope non of them reproduce

Is Hassan gone completely or just off air ? i thought Taker was gonna squash him at GAB ?

oh ****,HBK vsHogan and Hogan will probably win. ****,****,****http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/mad.gif

I was hoping Batista might face the Taker,i can't believe they were gonna give Hassan a title shothttp://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/confused.gif

[John Constantine]

i guess Angle is there to put Cena over eventualy as my theory is that him HBK and HHH have all been put together on RAW to put Cena overhttp://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/mad.gif
As for Masters,all i can say is if they intend to try and push masters there really is no hope left and if the crowd buy into the big show not being able to break the masterlock i just hope non of them reproduce

Is Hassan gone completely or just off air ? i thought Taker was gonna squash him at GAB ?

oh ****,HBK vsHogan and Hogan will probably win. ****,****,****http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/mad.gif

I was hoping Batista might face the Taker,i can't believe they were gonna give Hassan a title shothttp://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/confused.gif

I think they're going to repackage Hassan as an entirely different character. I think the WWE still thinks highly of him. That's probably why they were going to give him a title shot in the first place.....:confused:

Speaking of which, I heard this interesting theory about what they were planning on doing with Hassan and the "terrorist". The next week, Hassan was going to reveal that the five men were in fact white and not of Arab descent. He was then going to give a huge spiel about how people were so quickly to jump to conclusions that just because an Arab person did it, that it had to be terrorists and that if any other wrestler had done what he did, they would've have said the same thing.

And that does sound a bit interesting to me. It actually makes a lot of sense to Hassan's original gimmick (The Arab wrestler who has to make do with all the negative stereotyping) rather than him all of a sudden turning into a terrorist. It's too bad that he was taken off the air before the WWE got a chance to go ahead with it......

[Hunter Rider]

I think they're going to repackage Hassan as an entirely different character. I think the WWE still thinks highly of him. That's probably why they were going to give him a title shot in the first place.....:confused:

Speaking of which, I heard this interesting theory about what they were planning on doing with Hassan and the "terrorist". The next week, Hassan was going to reveal that the five men were in fact white and not of Arab descent. He was then going to give a huge spiel about how people were so quickly to jump to conclusions that just because an Arab person did it, that it had to be terrorists and that if any other wrestler had done what he did, they would've have said the same thing.

And that does sound a bit interesting to me. It actually makes a lot of sense to Hassan's original gimmick (The Arab wrestler who has to make do with all the negative stereotyping) rather than him all of a sudden turning into a terrorist. It's too bad that he was taken off the air before the WWE got a chance to go ahead with it......

It does sound intersting and a more plausible and intelligent way to evolve his character but my big problem with the guy having a title shot is he is merely mediocre,recently WWE have been pushing guys into main spots when they arent nearly ready,Hassan is one of them and Cena and Carlito are both prime examples

[John Constantine]

It does sound intersting and a more plausible and intelligent way to evolve his character but my big problem with the guy having a title shot when he is merely mediocre,recently WWE have been pushing guys into main spots when they arent nearly ready,Hassan is one of them and Cena and Carlito are both prime examples

Yeah, but I think they're trying to go for another Brock Lesner-type role. He got a title shot not so long after he debuted and he succeed (for the most part).

It sucks though because now Hassan has to start all over with a new gimmick and a new way to get over. When I actually think about it, his gimmick was a unique one. It's not like Sgt. Slaughter or the Iron Sheik or any other anti-American gimmick really......

[Hunter Rider]

Yeah, but I think they're trying to go for another Brock Lesner-type role. He got a title shot not so long after he debuted and he succeed (for the most part).

It sucks though because now Hassan has to start all over with a new gimmick and a new way to get over. When I actually think about it, his gimmick was a unique one. It's not like Sgt. Slaughter or the Iron Sheik or any other anti-American gimmick really......

I agree his gimmick was fine (although his voice was whiny on the promos)but the thing is Lesnar had natural talent,he was a freak of nature,a mat wrestling powerhouse with cat-like agility for a man 290 punds

Cena-is a lame Austin rip off who has virtually no in ring skills and zero coordination or athleticism

Carlito- is to small given that he is techniacaly crap and has no athletic skills and no finishing move or power to get by on,he is 90% gimmick

Hassa-was definately improving,he had some in ring skill and was well built plus he had 2 finishing moves,ironicly he is the one theyve lost:o

[John Constantine]

I'm hoping eventually, Hassan is allowed to come back, either on Raw or Smackdown (hopefully Smackdown) and explain what was the point of the gimmick. But to be honest, this whole backlash just proves all the negative stereotyping that's part of the gimmick in the first place. It'll be a shame to see them dump it.....I would totally love it if they continued on with what they planned at GAB and had Orton help Hassan to win. That way they could still continue on with their plan. Hassan vs Batista for Summerslam, with Batista going over. And Orton versus Undertaker with Orton going over. That then sets up a Batista-Orton feud....:)

[TheVileOne]

Hassan vs. Batista at Summerslam would be one ****ty main event.

[John Constantine]

Hassan vs. Batista at Summerslam would be one ****ty main event.

It's not the main event though. I think they're building up Hogan versus MIchaels as the main event for SS anyways.....the two title matches will probably just take place before that match.....

[Hunter Rider]

The Batista Orton feud would be great and orton vs Taker at SS would be cool but Hassan vs Batista as the title match at SS just doesnt work for me,he isnt ready imo

[John Constantine]

The Batista Orton feud would be great and orton vs Taker at SS would be cool but Hassan vs Batista as the title match at SS just doesnt work for me,he isnt ready imo

Yeah. Personally, I'm hoping that they'll just put Guerrero in the title match at SS. But that would probably mean Guerrero will J.O.B. to Batista.....:(

[Hunter Rider]

It's not the main event though. I think they're building up Hogan versus MIchaels as the main event for SS anyways.....the two title matches will probably just take place before that match.....

Thats how sad things have gotten,that the title matches are so crap that a marks fantasy match in which a great performer degrades himself carrying a tired old man who's career was over 10 years ago and who never could wrestle is the main event:(

[Hunter Rider]

Yeah. Personally, I'm hoping that they'll just put Guerrero in the title match at SS. But that would probably mean Guerrero will J.O.B. to Batista.....:(

it might be a triple threat with eddie and Rey in with Batista

[John Constantine]

Thats how sad things have gotten,that the title matches are so crap that a marks fantasy match in which a great performer degrades himself carrying a tired old man who's career was over 10 years ago and who never could wrestle is the main event:(

Yeah, but honestly that's the bad thing about having two championship titles in the first place. Which one would you place over the other to make it the main event? If you put Cena vs Jericho as the main event, that just makes the World Championship title look inferior. If you put Batista vs (insert wrestler here) as the main event, that makes the WWE title look inferior. Putting a non-title match in, but one in which a few wrestling fans might want to actually see because it involves two HOFers looks like an acceptable middle ground.....

[John Constantine]

it might be a triple threat with eddie and Rey in with Batista

I'd rather not see Rey in the world's title picture. I could see Rey feud with Benoit for the US title though.......I've always thought that Rey would be perfect for that title....

[Hunter Rider]

Yeah, but honestly that's the bad thing about having two championship titles in the first place. Which one would you place over the other to make it the main event? If you put Cena vs Jericho as the main event, that just makes the World Championship title look inferior. If you put Batista vs (insert wrestler here) as the main event, that makes the WWE title look inferior. Putting a non-title match in, but one in which a few wrestling fans might want to actually see because it involves two HOFers looks like an acceptable middle ground.....

I agree on the 2 title situation but it worked fine when HHH was champ cos it was clear which belt was the main one,now its a more blurred line
How do you feel about this Hogan/HBK match,youve never really said inbetween my rants:D

[Hunter Rider]

I'd rather not see Rey in the world's title picture. I could see Rey feud with Benoit for the US title though.......I've always thought that Rey would be perfect for that title....

Im not sure,i wouldnt mind Rey being champion at least that way we would get entertaining main events,i could see him and Benoit being a great feud but i think that would make Benoit heel and they dont really have many faces on SD as it is

[John Constantine]

I agree on the 2 title situation but it worked fine when HHH was champ cos it was clear which belt was the main one,now its a more blurred line
How do you feel about this Hogan/HBK match,youve never really said inbetween my rants:D

To be honest, I really don't mind it. Sure Hogan will probably go over Shawn, but I kinda like seeing some of these matches just for nostalgia sakes.

Speaking of which, has Shawn ever fought Mick Foley in the WWE? Because with rumors of Foley coming back, could they be setting up a match between those two? :confused:

[John Constantine]

Im not sure,i wouldnt mind Rey being champion at least that way we would get entertaining main events,i could see him and Benoit being a great feud but i think that would make Benoit heel and they dont really have many faces on SD as it is

He's a bit too small. Besides, the heavyweight division doesn't really need that much help. It's the US division that's basically DOA right now. With the addition of Rey to it though, maybe feuding with Benoit for a while until Benoit moves back (hopefully) to the heavyweight division, it could help to bring some legitimacy back into the division.

Plus, a Rey-Benoit match for the US title might do a lot of wonders for the championship :up:

[Hunter Rider]

To be honest, I really don't mind it. Sure Hogan will probably go over Shawn, but I kinda likes seeing some of these matches just for nostalgia sakes.

Speaking of which, has Shawn ever fought Mick Foley in the WWE? Because with rumors of Foley coming back, could they be setting up a match between those two? :confused:

Mick and HBK foguht at ind games in September 1996 it was a classic IMO and is featured in both their respective DVD's

I think for me i appreciated the nostalgia matches with Hogan until it was Shawn opposite him,HBK is my alltime fav wrestler and i really dont want to see him look as stupid as Rock and Angle did when you look back at there matches with Hogan outve the nostalgia glow of the event

[Hunter Rider]

He's a bit too small. Besides, the heavyweight division doesn't really need that much help. It's the US division that's basically DOA right now. With the addition of Rey to it though, maybe feuding with Benoit for a while until Benoit moves back (hopefully) to the heavyweight division, it could help to bring some legitimacy back into the division.

Plus, a Rey-Benoit match for the US title might do a lot of wonders for the championship :up:

I could definately get with the idea of bumping the US division and if they put Rey,Booker and Christian in it i think it could shape up pretty welll

[John Constantine]

Mick and HBK foguht at ind games in September 1996 it was a classic IMO and is featured in both their respective DVD's

I think for me i appreciated the nostalgia matches with Hogan until it was Shawn opposite him,HBK is my alltime fav wrestler and i really dont want to see him look as stupid as Rock and Angle did when you look back at there matches with Hogan outve the nostalgia glow of the event

Oh right, I forgot about that....that was like almost a decade ago :eek: :(

Yeah, that's true. But what I like now is that Shawn is willing to do these jobs for some wrestlers. I still remember a time when Shawn was a huge prick behind the scenes - "losing his smile" so he didn't have to fight Bret at Wrestlemania, winning the Euro title against the Bulldog in England when he didn't even need the ****ing title in the first place, etc. It just goes to show how much Shawn has changed in that he's probably willing to job horribly to Hogan....:up:

[John Constantine]

I could definately get with the idea of bumping the US division and if they put Rey,Booker and Christian in it i think it could shape up pretty welll

Yep. They could even add JBL to the mix. That would leave Benoit, Guerrero, Batista, Orton, and Lesner in the main event :up:

[Hunter Rider]

Oh right, I forgot about that....that was like almost a decade ago :eek: :(

Yeah, that's true. But what I like now is that Shawn is willing to do these jobs for some wrestlers. I still remember a time when Shawn was a huge prick behind the scenes - "losing his smile" so he didn't have to fight Bret at Wrestlemania, winning the Euro title against the Bulldog in England when he didn't even need the ****ing title in the first place, etc. It just goes to show how much Shawn has changed in that he's probably willing to job horribly to Hogan....:up:
yeah it was looooooooong time ago
Oh Shawn like most main eventers have been pricks in there time and yes the Bulldog instance in particular was dispicable
Here's the thing though,i have no issue in HBK putting guys over at this point in his career,if they made him heel to put over guys like RVD and Shelton or Orton as i always hoped he would do at a WM that would be great and the right thing for the buisness but to have him put over a guy who was never any good and is now a 55 year old geriatric one legged stumblemeister it just pisses me off

[Hunter Rider]

Yep. They could even add JBL to the mix. That would leave Benoit, Guerrero, Batista, Orton, and Lesner in the main event :up:

yeah i wouldnt mind seeing them move Paul London up into that division as well

BTW what the hell have they done to Chavo ???:eek: :(

[John Constantine]

yeah it was looooooooong time ago
Oh Shawn like most main eventers have been pricks in there time and yes the Bulldog instance in particular was dispicable
Here's the thing though,i have no issue in HBK putting guys over at this point in his career,if they made him heel to put over guys like RVD and Shelton or Orton as i always hoped he would do at a WM that would be great and the right thing for the buisness but to have him put over a guy who was never any good and is now a 55 year old geriatric one legged stumblemeister it just pisses me off

Yeah, but I'm hoping once Hogan gets his victory he'll go back to "retirement" and Shawn can continue on fighting maybe an RVD or Benjamin ;)

[John Constantine]

yeah i wouldnt mind seeing them move Paul London up into that division as well

BTW what the hell have they done to Chavo ???:eek: :(

You just saw "Kerwin White"? :confused:

That's what totally bugs me, they get rid of Hassan's character, yet turning a hispanic wrestler into a caucasian gets a ****load of laughs :rolleyes:


Sometimes, I think everything that Hassan said is right.......

[Hunter Rider]

Yeah, but I'm hoping once Hogan gets his victory he'll go back to "retirement" and Shawn can continue on fighting maybe an RVD or Benjamin ;)

thats what is so stupid about it,why bring a guy back with zero future and have him beat aguy your gonna use to make main eventers outve young stars,everyone can point back and say that he couldnt even beat a 55 year old retirment home escapee:confused: :(

[Hunter Rider]

You just saw "Kerwin White"? :confused:

That's what totally bugs me, they get rid of Hassan's character, yet turning a hispanic wrestler into a caucasian gets a ****load of laughs :rolleyes:


Sometimes, I think everything that Hassan said is right.......

i think i saw him last week i cant remember its all a blur on Raw these days but it was his line "if its not white,its not right" that suprised me and made me take notice

[John Constantine]

thats what is so stupid about it,why bring a guy back with zero future and have him beat aguy your gonna use to make main eventers outve young stars,everyone can point back and say that he couldnt even beat a 55 year old retirment home escapee:confused: :(

Because there are quite a few fans out there who still like Hogan and want to see the battle of the old school? :confused:

Besides, I think the WWE is looking to bring back some of it because it might help to satisfy those fans who say wrestling currently sucks and they want to see some of the old wrestlers return again :o

[John Constantine]

i think i saw him last week i cant remember its all a blur on Raw these days but it was his line "if its not white,its not right" that suprised me and made me take notice

Yep. Not to mention that when I saw him talking with Bischoff, I noticed how alike the two looked.

But what a waste of Chavo....and totally dumb. Would it be even "funnier" if they took Rob Conway and put black make-up on his face and made him an African American wrestler? :down

[Mr. Socko]

The Bash should be good

[Hunter Rider]

Because there are quite a few fans out there who still like Hogan and want to see the battle of the old school? :confused:

Besides, I think the WWE is looking to bring back some of it because it might help to satisfy those fans who say wrestling currently sucks and they want to see some of the old wrestlers return again :o

yeah the battle of the old school, but him winning is just plain dumb and devalues HBK when it comes to him putting over young stars at a later time

As for those that say wrestling sucks right now ? they are right but bringing back old farts who's time was over 10 years ago isnt the answer,wrestling sucks cos a large bulk of the audience are idiots who follow whatever WWE tell them to and dont care about actual wrestling talent,now they realise that the product they shell out for on PPV is **** cos they made these second rate wreslters champs by being marks for the gimmicks in the first place:o

[TheVileOne]

It's not the main event though. I think they're building up Hogan versus MIchaels as the main event for SS anyways.....the two title matches will probably just take place before that match.....
That's not much of a main event either.

[Hunter Rider]

Yep. Not to mention that when I saw him talking with Bischoff, I noticed how alike the two looked.

But what a waste of Chavo....and totally dumb. Would it be even "funnier" if they took Rob Conway and put black make-up on his face and made him an African American wrestler? :down

Yeah him and Bischoff are scarily similar now:eek:
its a shame he couldve been a good addition to the US title division:(

[John Constantine]

yeah the battle of the old school, but him winning is just plain dumb and devalues HBK when it comes to him putting over young stars at a later time

As for those that say wrestling sucks right now ? they are right but bringing back old farts who's time was over 10 years ago isnt the answer,wrestling sucks cos a large bulk of the audience are idiots who follow whatever WWE tell them to and dont care about actual wrestling talent,now they realise that the product they shell out for on PPV is **** cos they made these second rate wreslters champs by being marks for the gimmicks in the first place:o

Eh, the WWE may be mediocre right now, but after watching WCW during it's dying months (particularly the Russo era), it's nothing. I mean imagine....David Arquette is your WCW champion.....how sad is that? :(

[John Constantine]

Yeah him and Bischoff are scarily similar now:eek:
its a shame he couldve been a good addition to the US title division:(

Or even feuding with the Mexicools.

Right now he'll probably just be stuck on Heat jobbing to like Viscera on a weekly basis :(

[Hunter Rider]

Eh, the WWE may be mediocre right now, but after watching WCW during it's dying months (particularly the Russo era), it's nothing. I mean imagine....David Arquette is your WCW champion.....how sad is that? :(

yeah it was hideous but to me that is like saying to the guy whose lost one leg "just be glad you didnt lose both" it doesnt make losing one leg suck any less:(

[John Constantine]

yeah it was hideous but to me that is like saying to the guy whose lost one leg "just be glad you didnt lose both" it doesnt make losing one leg suck any less:(

An optimist might feel that losing only one leg when they could've lost both is a good thing....:confused:

There are still quite a few things I'm interested in currently in the WWE to make me continue watching - Rey and Eddie, Benoit, Christian, Kurt Angle, the continuing Hassan saga (if Hassan does go over tomorrow, I'm thinking this entire thing could've been a work), Batista (I'm actually digging him a bit as champ, who would've thought that?).

I really don't see myself stop watching it until they pull something like the Fingerpoke of Doom :o

[Hunter Rider]

An optimist might feel that losing only one leg when they could've lost both is a good thing....:confused:

There are still quite a few things I'm interested in currently in the WWE to make me continue watching - Rey and Eddie, Benoit, Christian, Kurt Angle, the continuing Hassan saga (if Hassan does go over tomorrow, I'm thinking this entire thing could've been a work), Batista (I'm actually digging him a bit as champ, who would've thought that?).

I really don't see myself stop watching it until they pull something like the Fingerpoke of Doom :o

LOL i guess im not much of an optimist right now
the thing is that there are some wrestlers worth seeing and yes Batista has improved greatly,i just can't get past the fact that HBK has been screwed over and that Carlito and Cena who are both crap are the 2 guys WWE are building their show around
SD has some hope i guess although i dont have your interest in Hassan

[TheVileOne]

Eh, the WWE may be mediocre right now, but after watching WCW during it's dying months (particularly the Russo era), it's nothing. I mean imagine....David Arquette is your WCW champion.....how sad is that? :(

Those weren't the dying months. In the final months I think they made some improvements. Too little too late though.

[Hunter Rider]

Updates


In a situation similar to that of the Dudleys, WWE has opted not to renew Ivory's contract. The company released a statement on its website Friday afternoon:

"Ivory's World Wrestling Entertainment television contract will not be renewed. She will make her final appearance on The WWE Experience this weekend. WWE wishes Ivory well and hopes to work with her again in the near future," said WWE.com.

After the massive roster cuts two weeks ago, there had been a rumor that WWE had considered releasing an additional four specific workers. It is not known if Ivory was included on that list of four.

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-The word around WWE is that Triple H has gotten "soft" since taking time away from television. He hasn't been working out nearly as much as he has in the past.

Triple H has been working at WWE and helping with television. The rumor right now is Triple H will return before SummerSlam to setup a match with Ric Flair.

[John Constantine]

LOL i guess im not much of an optimist right now
the thing is that there are some wrestlers worth seeing and yes Batista has improved greatly,i just can't get past the fact that HBK has been screwed over and that Carlito and Cena who are both crap are the 2 guys WWE are building their show around
SD has some hope i guess although i dont have your interest in Hassan

Yeah, I really didn't have much interest in Hassan until he got banned. Then I saw how they could incorporate that into the show. I just see a lot of potential in his character and this whole thing actually helps to bring a lot more exposure to him.....

[John Constantine]

Those weren't the dying months. In the final months I think they made some improvements. Too little too late though.

Yeah, they had Scott Steiner and Booker T finally step up. But yeah, most of it was caused by Kevin Nash and Vince Russo's horrible booking. Which I still think was an inside job.....

[Hunter Rider]

Yeah, I really didn't have much interest in Hassan until he got banned. Then I saw how they could incorporate that into the show. I just see a lot of potential in his character and this whole thing actually helps to bring a lot more exposure to him.....

I'll say one thing for him,of WWE's latest batch of guys they are trying to push he is the best,he had some assemblance of in ring talent and as you say a character that could be used effectively,
I really hope they build Orton up when he returns and make him champ at Survivor series ,the only thing is i dont know who they would put agains him at WM:confused:

[John Constantine]

I'll say one thing for him,of WWE's latest batch of guys they are trying to push he is the best,he had some assemblance of in ring talent and as you say a character that could be used effectively,
I really hope they build Orton up when he returns and make him champ at Survivor series ,the only thing is i dont know who they would put agains him at WM:confused:

Yep. The guy just needs a bit more time to improve, but I hope he does go over at GAB because I really don't want to see a Batista-UT championship match :mad:

I could see Orton win the title soon. It seems like they've been trying to build up Orton as champ again. A heel champ preferably this time. As to who he could face against.....maybe it could be a good time to have the Rock return at WM 22? :confused:

[Hunter Rider]

Yep. The guy just needs a bit more time to improve, but I hope he does go over at GAB because I really don't want to see a Batista-UT championship match :mad:

I could see Orton win the title soon. It seems like they've been trying to build up Orton as champ again. A heel champ preferably this time. As to who he could face against.....maybe it could be a good time to have the Rock return at WM 22? :confused:

strangely at the moment i would prefer the Taker/Batista match as a sort of mutual respect trhing with Taker putting Batista over,i just wish he would return to his biker gimmick:(

Rock vs Orton would be great but i doubt Rock would return for any substantial time to make the match worthwhile,thats why i wouldve left RVD on SD to try and make him a mian eventer opposite Orton or if theyd only put HBk there as a face:mad:
another option is Lesnar but with both most lilely being heels i'm not sure how they would work it:confused:

[John Constantine]

strangely at the moment i would prefer the Taker/Batista match as a sort of mutual respect trhing with Taker putting Batista over,i just wish he would return to his biker gimmick:(

Rock vs Orton would be great but i doubt Rock would return for any substantial time to make the match worthwhile,thats why i wouldve left RVD on SD to try and make him a mian eventer opposite Orton or if theyd only put HBk there as a face:mad:
another option is Lesnar but with both most lilely being heels i'm not sure how they would work it:confused:

I dunno, a UT-Batista feud just seems so unappealing to me. But that could be because I'm sick of UT always in the title picture. I agree with you about the biker though. He should've stuck with that gimmick :up:

He could always make a cameo every now and then. Set up some video footage to taunt Orton at every chance. You can even have Orton taunt the Rock and he knows the Rock can't do anything because he's not there. That way it makes it all the more special when the Rock actually shows up to beat up Orton.

[Mr. Socko]

Since Hassan is going then it looks like Taker will win at The Bash.

[Hunter Rider]

I dunno, a UT-Batista feud just seems so unappealing to me. But that could be because I'm sick of UT always in the title picture. I agree with you about the biker though. He should've stuck with that gimmick :up:

He could always make a cameo every now and then. Set up some video footage to taunt Orton at every chance. You can even have Orton taunt the Rock and he knows the Rock can't do anything because he's not there. That way it makes it all the more special when the Rock actually shows up to beat up Orton.
my biggest problem with Taker right now is the sillines of the gimmick in this day and age and the fact he does no mic work
I would like to see that happen between Rock and Orton especially as they are both 3rd generation wrestlers im just not sure it has a realisitic chance of happening:(

What do you think the most likely 2 title match main events are for WM22 ?

[John Constantine]

my biggest problem with Taker right now is the sillines of the gimmick in this day and age and the fact he does no mic work
I would like to see that happen between Rock and Orton especially as they are both 3rd generation wrestlers im just not sure it has a realisitic chance of happening:(

What do you think the most likely 2 title match main events are for WM22 ?

Yeah. I've always thought that the biker gimmick was the correct evolution in his gimmick. Him going back to the deadman was a step back IMO.

For Wrestlemania 22, I really don't know. It's a crapshoot to be honest. But if there's one thing about WM history, it's that it's always the culmination of a face's goal towards getting the championship title. So I'm guessing that Cena's going to be involved in one match and that Lesner (as a face) will get involved in another.

Yeah, I don't really see Lesner getting the title until WM 22 because they're 1)going to punish him for a short while 2)they'll probably want to slow-build a return to the title picture for him.

[Hunter Rider]

Yeah. I've always thought that the biker gimmick was the correct evolution in his gimmick. Him going back to the deadman was a step back IMO.

For Wrestlemania 22, I really don't know. It's a crapshoot to be honest. But if there's one thing about WM history, it's that it's always the culmination of a face's goal towards getting the championship title. So I'm guessing that Cena's going to be involved in one match and that Lesner (as a face) will get involved in another.

Yeah, I don't really see Lesner getting the title until WM 22 because they're 1)going to punish him for a short while 2)they'll probably want to slow-build a return to the title picture for him.

yeah i agree with you on the Taker entirely
As for the 2 main events i think your definately right about Cena:( i think he will lose the strap,(probably in a 3-way as no one can beat Cena now:o )and then whoever it is that wins that triple threat will defend against him at WM22 and drop the belt to him,my guess would be on HBk or HHH as he has already worked with angle a number of times and this would be fresher for WM
on the Sd side i would love them to use Brock as a face and macth with him and Orton at WM22 would be awesome IMO they would have to make it look like the company are punishing him when he returns and get the fans behind him as he tries to "redeem himself" i think a slightly grovely promo will be needed on his firsat night back:o

[John Constantine]

Yeah, Cena has worked with Angle a number of times, but an Angle-Cena main event in WM might make a lot more sense due to the huge history the two have with each other. Plus, that also means that Kurt Angle is WWE champion again :)

I don't necessarily think Brock will make a suck-up promo though. I think they might play him off as a heel first. Like the only reason why he returned to the WWE was because he was forced to. Eventually, I could see a slow-burn to the face side. And although it would be cool to see him fight Orton at WM 22, imagine if they got Eddie as the champion for WM 22. Yeah, it's a long-shot, but that would be my ideal situation. It would be like 2 years ago, except the roles are reversed :up:

[TheVileOne]

I don't think any of the main event programs they are doing right now are appealing. Either Batista/Undertaker, Batista/Hassan, neither of those matches really make me want to spend 35 dollars on a show like say . . . Raven/Abyss :) or Samoa Joe/AJ Styles.

[Hunter Rider]

Yeah, Cena has worked with Angle a number of times, but an Angle-Cena main event in WM might make a lot more sense due to the huge history the two have with each other. Plus, that also means that Kurt Angle is WWE champion again :)

I don't necessarily think Brock will make a suck-up promo though. I think they might play him off as a heel first. Like the only reason why he returned to the WWE was because he was forced to. Eventually, I could see a slow-burn to the face side. And although it would be cool to see him fight Orton at WM 22, imagine if they got Eddie as the champion for WM 22. Yeah, it's a long-shot, but that would be my ideal situation. It would be like 2 years ago, except the roles are reversed :up:

YEah Angle and Cena have got a history they could play up,i just would prefer something fresh,i really dont want HBK to job to Cean cos i think cena sucks but it would be one last WM main event and if anyone can bring Cena on it's HBK IMO
As for Lesnar/Eddie,i always felt that was a mismatch,Eddie just doesnt seem realistic as a threat to Brock and even less so if Brock is the face IMO
i would rather see ,Eddie vs Orton or Brok vs Orton

[Hunter Rider]

I don't think any of the main event programs they are doing right now are appealing. Either Batista/Undertaker, Batista/Hassan, neither of those matches really make me want to spend 35 dollars on a show like say . . . Raven/Abyss :) or Samoa Joe/AJ Styles.
well i get GBA for free but i am seriously considering not buying SS
Ive never seen Aj Styles or Samoa Joe but ive heard they are both
"real" wrestlers not coporate gimmicks
Can't really say a Raven lead main event appeals to me thoguh,not unless he has greatly improved since his ECW days,i dont know anything about Abyss except he looks like a Mankind ripoff:o

[John Constantine]

YEah Angle and Cena have got a history they could play up,i just would prefer something fresh,i really dont want HBK to job to Cean cos i think cena sucks but it would be one last WM main event and if anyone can bring Cena on it's HBK IMO
As for Lesnar/Eddie,i always felt that was a mismatch,Eddie just doesnt seem realistic as a threat to Brock and even less so if Brock is the face IMO
i would rather see ,Eddie vs Orton or Brok vs Orton

That was old Eddie though. The new Eddie is a huge psycho who uses mind games to gain an advantage. And it could set up a good feud. Eddie could use these mind games to put into Brock about how he lost the title to Eddie two years ago. They could also play into it that Brock left the WWE maybe because of that. Yeah, that's not what really happen, but they could play into that in the storyline. Have him totally **** around with Brock's mind. I think that could actually play off as a better WM feud....

[Hunter Rider]

That was old Eddie though. The new Eddie is a huge psycho who uses mind games to gain an advantage. And it could set up a good feud. Eddie could use these mind games to put into Brock about how he lost the title to Eddie two years ago. They could also play into it that Brock left the WWE maybe because of that. Yeah, that's not what really happen, but they could play into that in the storyline. Have him totally **** around with Brock's mind. I think that could actually play off as a better WM feud....

It's an intersting concept ill give you that and with the talent involved im sure they could pull it off but to me the in ring match wouldnt be the superstar/ supreme athlete showdown that Orton/Lesnar would be

[John Constantine]

It's an intersting concept ill give you that and with the talent involved im sure they could pull it off but to me the in ring match wouldnt be the superstar/ supreme athlete showdown that Orton/Lesnar would be

It'll still be a pretty good match though, plus it's also storyline-driven. Which is exactly what the WWE is looking for. It's the best of both worlds actually. Plus, an Orton-Lesner feud can always be used at a later point......

[Hunter Rider]

It'll still be a pretty good match though, plus it's also storyline-driven. Which is exactly what the WWE is looking for. It's the best of both worlds actually. Plus, an Orton-Lesner feud can always be used at a later point......

I could see them using the Eddie/Lesnar storyline as his first feud when he returns and then creating a new feud stroline for him and Orton going into mania,either way it sets up a good WM main event
I wonder though would Lesnar win the Rumble or Cena ?

[John Constantine]

Cena probably because he lost last year....:(

[Hunter Rider]

Cena probably because he lost last year....:(

http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/10/10_2_5.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZNxdm824AXGB)and so it begins:(

[Sabretooth]

If Cena loses the belt,trust me.It won't be for long.He's the merchandise whore right now.Honestly,I wouldn't be suprised if they had him go over people like HHH.

[TheVileOne]

It was said at Wrestlemania 20 that Lesnar was leaving to go to the NFL.

And hunter-rider, Samoa Joe and AJ Styles can definitely out-wrestle and out-perform EVERYONE on the WWE roster. I think that's one of the main reasons they are NOT in WWE.

Anyone that thinks Goldberg and Lesnar are monsters have obviously NEVER seen Samoa Joe.

[John Constantine]

The only reason why he may lose the belt is only for him to go back on the road to wrestlemania to regain it....and probably due to Bischoff finally finding the proper champion for Raw :o

[John Constantine]

It was said at Wrestlemania 20 that Lesnar was leaving to go to the NFL.

And hunter-rider, Samoa Joe and AJ Styles can definitely out-wrestle and out-perform EVERYONE on the WWE roster. I think that's one of the main reasons they are NOT in WWE.

Anyone that thinks Goldberg and Lesnar are monsters have obviously NEVER seen Samoa Joe.

It's different with Samoa Joe though. At least from what I've seen of him on TNA, I don't know about him in ROH. In TNA, the wrestlers there are a bit smaller, so it's easier for him to act like the monster wrestler there. That's why I also think that TNA was the best choice for him to go to. If he went to WWE, he would've been stuck under the same fate that Rhyno or Mike Awesome was stuck in. Plus, he would've been given a horrible Samoan gimmick :down

[Hunter Rider]

It was said at Wrestlemania 20 that Lesnar was leaving to go to the NFL.

And hunter-rider, Samoa Joe and AJ Styles can definitely out-wrestle and out-perform EVERYONE on the WWE roster. I think that's one of the main reasons they are NOT in WWE.

Anyone that thinks Goldberg and Lesnar are monsters have obviously NEVER seen Samoa Joe.

Well i cant compare Samoa Joe and Lesnar but Goldberg wasnt even a proper wrestler so that point is moot for me

As for them outperforming everyone in WWE ?
they may be good but i dont believe they are better than HBK and Angle or Benoit

[Sabretooth]

AJ Styles would probably pwn Benoit.Hell,possibly even Angle.:o

[TheVileOne]

Well i cant compare Samoa Joe and Lesnar but Goldberg wasnt even a proper wrestler so that point is moot for me

As for them outperforming everyone in WWE ?
they may be good but i dont believe they are better than HBK and Angle or Benoit

Definitely HBK and Angle.

[Hunter Rider]

Definitely HBK and Angle.


LOL that doesnt suprise me that you would say that given your sig;)
HBK is still the best ive seen in the 15 years that ive watched wrestling,ive watched it from all over the world as well not just the US and i will have to see proof these 2 are that good,Styles for instance is really just a crusierweight,what does he weigh ? he looks about 5'8 tall and seems to mainly just jump about a lot on the vinnettes ive seen of him,i havents seen any of the other guy so i cant say to much but again i dont think he will prove to better than HBK or Angle

[Sabretooth]

Know what I'd like to see?RVD leave WWE,go to TNA,and feud with someone like Styles.Their matches would be friggin gold :up:

[John Constantine]

AJ Styles would probably pwn Benoit.Hell,possibly even Angle.:o

I highly doubt it. I think between those Benoit and Styles, Benoit takes it. Benoit's like an absolute animal. It's no contest really IMO :o

[TheVileOne]

LOL that doesnt suprise me that you would say that given your sig;)
HBK is still the best ive seen in the 15 years that ive watched wrestling,ive watched it from all over the world as well not just the US and i will have to see proof these 2 are that good,Styles for instance is really just a crusierweight,what does he weigh ? he looks about 5'8 tall and seems to mainly just jump about a lot on the vinnettes ive seen of him,i havents seen any of the other guy so i cant say to much but again i dont think he will prove to better than HBK or Angle

You obviously haven't watched enough puroresu :) .

HBK isn't exactly a heavyweight either. He probably doesn't way much more than AJ Styles who's about 217.

Simply put AJ Styles is the true Show-stoppah :D . Even Michael Shane (now Matt Bentley) will surpass HBK eventually methinks.

[Sabretooth]

Now if we were talking HBK back in the day,yeah,HBK would probably win.But nowadays,while HBK is still good,he's getting up there in age.Now that I think about it,AJ has a better chance of beating HBK out of all three.:o