Wrestling

[John Constantine]

Oh, and comparing the stats:

AJ Styles is 5'10" and weights 215 pounds according to the TNA website.

Shawn is 6'1" and weighs 225 pounds according to the WWE website.

It's an almost even match according to size, but HBK does have the advantage in experience :o

[Hunter Rider]

You obviously haven't watched enough puroresu :) .

HBK isn't exactly a heavyweight either. He probably doesn't way much more than AJ Styles who's about 217.

Simply put AJ Styles is the true Show-stoppah :D . Even Michael Shane (now Matt Bentley) will surpass HBK eventually methinks.

puroresu ????
as for styles he kind of just reminds me of mysterio flashy and fun but doesnt have enough to work a classic match on a phsycological level
How tall is styles ?
anyway i will take this no further until i have seen more of Styles;)

[Hunter Rider]

OK with the stat comparing thing it makes me think we are comparing who would win as if they are really fighting:D

[TheVileOne]

puroresu ????
as for styles he kind of just reminds me of mysterio flashy and fun but doesnt have enough to work a classic match on a phsycological level
How tall is styles ?
anyway i will take this no further until i have seen more of Styles;)

That's somewhat insulting because Rey Mysterio knows how to work classic and pyschological matches and has participated in what are considered to be some of the best matches of all time.

And once again, to say that about Styles just shows how ignorant you are of him. One can just as easily say that about Shawn Michaels by watching some of his matches.

Considering that you boasted of watching wrestling from "all over the world" you should know what puroresu means ;) .

Sabretooth I agree that RVD being in TNA would be awesome, but he has sadly re-signed with WWE I think.

[John Constantine]

OK with the stat comparing thing it makes me think we are comparing who would win as if they are really fighting:D

Well aren't we? ;)

It's all a subjective thing anyways. I think a better comparison would be who is the better performer.....

[TheVileOne]

I will say, AJ Styles is better and has accomplished more than HBK did after the same amount of time in his pro-wrestling career.

[Hunter Rider]

That's somewhat insulting because Rey Mysterio knows how to work classic and pyschological matches and has participated in what are considered to be some of the best matches of all time.

And once again, to say that about Styles just shows how ignorant you are of him. One can just as easily say that about Shawn Michaels by watching some of his matches.

Considering that you boasted of watching wrestling from "all over the world" you should know what puroresu mean ;) .

Rey mysterios matches are not on a phsycological level like say the matches HBK has had with Bret hart or HHH or Angle anyway i lke mysterio and as far as being ignorant of styles that is true but everyone ive heard talk about him only ever raves on about his flying moves but no one mentions much on his ability to work a match beyond doing high spots there is more to great wrestling than that

As for boasting,whatever i didnt boast i just mentioned i had seen Wrestling from all over the world ,mainly japan and Mexico but hey well done you i dont know what puroresu means, go you:up:

[Hunter Rider]

I will say, AJ Styles is better and has accomplished more than HBK did after the same amount of time in his pro-wrestling career.

how has he accomplished more ???:confused: he works in the smalltime with Jeff Jarrett and plus the buissness moves much faster these days with the amount of PPV's that there are,thats a stupid comparison

[John Constantine]

I sometimes hate these things like "who would win? AJ Styles or HBK/Benoit/etc". It's very hard to tell sometimes because the wrestling style in the WWE and TNA differ a lot. It's like trying to compare RVD in ECW to RVD in WWE.......

[Twitch]

Sorry to interrupt but does anyone have of a still of Raven or even better him doing the DDT :o

[Hunter Rider]

Sorry to interrupt but does anyone have of a still of Raven or even better him doing the DDT :o

http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/6568/untitled2ox.png

[Twitch]

http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/6568/untitled2ox.png

Thanks :up:

[TheVileOne]

Rey mysterios matches are not on a phsycological level like say the matches HBK has had with Bret hart or HHH or Angle anyway i lke mysterio and as far as being ignorant of styles that is true but everyone ive heard talk about him only ever raves on about his flying moves but no one mentions much on his ability to work a match beyond doing high spots there is more to great wrestling than that

You obviously need to see a lot more Rey Mysterio matches. Mysterio can mat-wrestle with the best of them if need be. And there can ALSO be psychology to the luchadore and lucha-libre style that Mysterio forms.


As for boasting,whatever i didnt boast i just mentioned i had seen Wrestling from all over the world ,mainly japan and Mexico but hey well done you i dont know what puroresu means, go you:up:

Puroresu is Japanese for pro-wrestling. Its the typical term used to refer to the Japanese pro-wrestling style and Japanese pro-wrestling.

[Hunter Rider]

You obviously need to see a lot more Rey Mysterio matches. Mysterio can mat-wrestle with the best of them if need be. And there can ALSO be psychology to the luchadore and lucha-libre style that Mysterio forms.




Hey dont get started with me on mysterio,i have all his ECW,WCW and WWE matches ive seen them all and yes they are athleticaly great and his matches with DeanMalenko were superb on the mat i never said he couldnt work mat and arial and if you check back you would see i actually would like to see him in the main event picture but on a phsycological aspect in wrestling non of his matches have told the in ring story in the way say a steamboat/Flair or HBK/Angle classic have




Puroresu is Japanese for pro-wrestling. Its the typical term used to refer to the Japanese pro-wrestling style and Japanese pro-wrestling.
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Thank you,ive only seen tapes but i honestly have not heard that term

[TheVileOne]

how has he accomplished more ???:confused: he works in the smalltime with Jeff Jarrett and plus the buissness moves much faster these days with the amount of PPV's that there are,thats a stupid comparison

AJ Styles is a three time NWA world champion, a title that has a lineage dating back over a 100 years. He was the first champion for the prestigious X Division. He's wrestled and made a name for himself and become a superstar all over the world. He's a former ROH Pure wrestling champion, IWA champ, and the current PWG champion.

I don't think the amount of PPV's changes anything. Back in the 70's and 80's there was a LOT more wrestling on than there is now, its just nothing was as big as the WWF/E.

[Hunter Rider]

AJ Styles is a three time NWA world champion, a title that has a lineage dating back over a 100 years. He was the first champion for the prestigious X Division. He's wrestled and made a name for himself and become a superstar all over the world. He's a former ROH Pure wrestling champion, IWA champ, and the current PWG champion.

I don't think the amount of PPV's changes anything. Back in the 70's and 80's there was a LOT more wrestling on than there is now, its just nothing was as big as the WWF/E.

My point was with the amount of televised wrestling now it is easier to get guys over really fast,as for the titles he has won.that NWA title is very dubious in its lineage,the company goes back 100 years yes but it could be argued that the belt WWE currently use is the real NWA title so it is way to complicated to really make blanket statements

[TheVileOne]

My point was with the amount of televised wrestling now it is easier to get guys over really fast,as for the titles he has won.that NWA title is very dubious in its lineage,the company goes back 100 years yes but it could be argued that the belt WWE currently use is the real NWA title so it is way to complicated to really make blanket statements

And my point is that there is LESS televised wrestling now then there was say 20-30 years ago.

Newsflash hunter rider, the only regularly televised wrestling promotion right now is WWE.

And the WWE World Heavyweight Title is NOT the NWA world title since if you check out their title histories the NWA champions are NOT included.

There is even less wrestling on TV than there was 5 years ago.

[Hunter Rider]

And my point is that there is LESS televised wrestling now then there was say 20-30 years ago.

Newsflash hunter rider, the only regularly televised wrestling promotion right now is WWE.

And the WWE World Heavyweight Title is NOT the NWA world title since if you check out their title histories the NWA champions are NOT included.

You again miss the point years ago when the wrestling was on TV it took ages to get a guy over as he spent every week wrestling a jobber and there were only 4 PPV's a year in WWE,contrast that to now,there are 15 PPVs a year so the amount of times an up and comer can be put over is greatly increased so making him a star and a champ is a much easier process,that is why guys are becoming champions quicker and at a younger age,look at the age difference in champions now

Ric Flair was 35 when he won his first world title in the 80's
HBK-was 30 when he won his first world title in the 90's
Randy orton was 24 when he won his first title in 2004


As for the NWA title,WCW owned that belt when NWA was made into WCW under ted turner,WWe then bought WCW so the original title belt is theirs
when a new promotion turned up using the NWA as their name it was essentially NWAINO

[TheVileOne]

You again miss the point years ago when the wrestling was on TV it took ages to get a guy over as he spent every week wrestling a jobber and there were only 4 PPV's a year in WWE,contrast that to now,there are 15 PPVs a year so the amount of times an up and comer can be put over is greatly increased so making him a star and a champ is a much easier process,that is why guys are becoming champions quicker and at a younger age,look at the age difference in champions now

There are that many PPV's but for separate rosters, the same wrestlers aren't on the same shows anymore.


Ric Flair was 35 when he won his first world title in the 80's
HBK-was 30 when he won his first world title in the 90's
Randy orton was 24 when he won his first title in 2004

I think that just speaks more of AJ's ability and performance level :) .

And that's the ONLY reason Orton won the world title at that age. So they could have a younger world champion than Brock Lesnar who they wanted to humiliate.


As for the NWA title,WCW owned that belt when NWA was made into WCW under ted turner,WWe then bought WCW so the original title belt is theirs
when a new promotion turned up using the NWA as their name it was essentially NWAINO

Its been around a lot longer than that. This is the same NWA title that Shane Douglas spit on and threw away over a decade ago. NWA became WCW but they still had separate NWA titles and matches, and the NWA world title never formally or officially became the WCW world title, and since Raven currently holds it...WWE obviously doesn't own it.

[TheVileOne]

Hey dont get started with me on mysterio,i have all his ECW,WCW and WWE matches ive seen them all and yes they are athleticaly great and his matches with DeanMalenko were superb on the mat i never said he couldnt work mat and arial and if you check back you would see i actually would like to see him in the main event picture but on a phsycological aspect in wrestling non of his matches have told the in ring story in the way say a steamboat/Flair or HBK/Angle classic have


I think you need to go back and re-watch some of Rey's matches. His matches with guys like Eddy and Jericho tell just as great stories as Steamboat/Flair and definitely HBK/Angle.

[Hunter Rider]

There are that many PPV's but for separate rosters, the same wrestlers aren't on the same shows anymore.



I think that just speaks more of AJ's ability and performance level :) .

And that's the ONLY reason Orton won the world title at that age. So they could have a younger world champion than Brock Lesnar who they wanted to humiliate.



Its been around a lot longer than that. This is the same NWA title that Shane Douglas spit on and threw away over a decade ago. NWA became WCW but they still had separate NWA titles and matches, and the NWA world title never formally or officially became the WCW world title, and since Raven currently holds it...WWE obviously doesn't own it.

Well Lesnar was champion at 25 as well whats the excuse there ?
anyway we are arguing semantics now so ill leave it,i have nothing against styles

As for the NWA title ,its again a lot more complex then your making it out to be,the NWA was ran outve Atlanta before being made into WCW and going national,it is true that at one point there was a WCW and NWA title in WCW but in 1994 Sting and Flair had a title match to unify the belts which Flair won and that belt just became known as the world title which is now used in WWE
So the new prmotion that TNA got their NWA title from isnt the real NWA thus the belt is the NWA title In Name only;)

[Hunter Rider]

I think you need to go back and re-watch some of Rey's matches. His matches with guys like Eddy and Jericho tell just as great stories as Steamboat/Flair and definitely HBK/Angle.

EDIT,i dont want to make it seem like im pulling Rey apart as i think he is great,perhaps i shouldnt have used his name in my debate,

[TheVileOne]

As for the NWA title ,its again a lot more complex then your making it out to be,the NWA was ran outve Atlanta before being made into WCW and going national,it is true that at one point there was a WCW and NWA title in WCW but in 1994 Sting and Flair had a title match to unify the belts which Flair won and that belt just became known as the world title which is now used in WWEp

Nope. That match was to unify the WCW world title belonging to Ric Flair and the WCW International Title held by Sting, which believe it or not was NOT one and the same as the NWA world title.

[Hunter Rider]

Nope. That match was to unify the WCW world title belonging to Ric Flair and the WCW International Title held by Sting, which believe it or not was NOT one and the same as the NWA world title.

Wasnt Flairs WCW world title the old NWA title though that he won from BArry Windham at beach blast the year before ?
the point still stands that there really isnt a true NWA title anymore

[TheVileOne]

No. Flair's world title was the one he won from Vader at Starrcade 1993 which WAS indeed THE official WCW World Heavyweight Title.

[Sabretooth]

SUMMERSLAM SPOILERS!






























- Hulk Hogan vs. Shawn Michaels
- Triple H vs. Ric Flair
- Undertaker vs. Randy Orton
- John Cena defends the WWE title against Edge

HHH vs. Flair?Hmmmmmm

[TheVileOne]

They already announced John Cena vs. Jericho at Summerslam so that's BS.

[punishermax]

AJ Styles is a three time NWA world champion, a title that has a lineage dating back over a 100 years. He was the first champion for the prestigious X Division. He's wrestled and made a name for himself and become a superstar all over the world. He's a former ROH Pure wrestling champion, IWA champ, and the current PWG champion.

I don't think the amount of PPV's changes anything. Back in the 70's and 80's there was a LOT more wrestling on than there is now, its just nothing was as big as the WWF/E.

In the 70's and 80's there was a lot of wrestling on regionally. In the south they had the NWA/WCW, in the midwest they had the AWA and in the northeast they had WWF, now in the 80's NWA/WCW expanded more as did WWF, but someone like myself who lives in Wisconsin or peoplae in Minnesota, Michigan, would never see a NWA/WCW show or WWF show (until the late 80's) it was all AWA. So while their was more wrestling on it was all regionally, and unless you were a tape trader you wouldn't get to see other wrestling promotions.

[TheVileOne]

Sorry, but I still think now we have the least amount of wrestling on TV then ever before. The only federation that's really on TV is WWE.

[TheStrider]

And they suck.

[3dman27]

SUMMERSLAM SPOILERS!






























- Hulk Hogan vs. Shawn Michaels
- Triple H vs. Ric Flair
- Undertaker vs. Randy Orton
- John Cena defends the WWE title against Edge

HHH vs. Flair?Hmmmmmm
what no lilian garcia vs christy hemme match?

[TheVileOne]

And they suck.
Too true. That's why I really hope that TNA on Spike TV works out.

[Hunter Rider]

No. Flair's world title was the one he won from Vader at Starrcade 1993 which WAS indeed THE official WCW World Heavyweight Title.

But the NWA became WCW so as far as i know no one bought the NWA title back from WCW so when a new NWA promotion was set up it wasn't really the old NWA so the belt AJ and Jarret fought over isnt really the classic old NWA belt

[Hunter Rider]

saw SD,it was better than Raw (not hard),shame the 2 good matches (Benoit/Eddie and Rey/SC) didnt have proper finishes

Animal is scarily outve shape and i hope GBA is a one off deal
the PPV is the weakest line-up ive seen in a while with only one stand out match (Eddie/Rey)couple of the others could be ok(Taker/Hassan,CC/Booker)
I just hope Benoit beats Jordan so the US division can be restored and Batista finishes off JBL and puts him out of the title scene,his end speach on SD was painfully bad and a poor lead in to the PPV's main event IMO

[TheVileOne]

But the NWA became WCW so as far as i know no one bought the NWA title back from WCW so when a new NWA promotion was set up it wasn't really the old NWA so the belt AJ and Jarret fought over isnt really the classic old NWA belt
It is actually. I don't want to get into semantics really, but TNA considers it the NWA world title of old, something WWE has NOT claimed a lineage over even though they own WCW.

[John Constantine]

saw SD,it was better than Raw (not hard),shame the 2 good matches (Benoit/Eddie and Rey/SC) didnt have proper finishes

Animal is scarily outve shape and i hope GBA is a one off deal
the PPV is the weakest line-up ive seen in a while with only one stand out match (Eddie/Rey)couple of the others could be ok(Taker/Hassan,CC/Booker)
I just hope Benoit beats Jordan so the US division can be restored and Batista finishes off JBL and puts him out of the title scene,his end speach on SD was painfully bad and a poor lead in to the PPV's main event IMO

bWo vs Mexicools might be a fun match to watch :o

Although I doubt anybody knows those two are fighting because the match was only announced via the website :rolleyes: :mad:

[Mr. Socko]

Bash is tonight. I hope Batista, Taker, Benoit, and MNM win their matches. I don't care about the rest.

[TheVileOne]

I don't care about the card at all...because it sucks. Though I hope that Benoit wins the US title and gets a long run with it.

[Sabretooth]

Yeah.It sucks Benoit hasn't tasted gold since Summerslam last year.:(


And I could care less about Rey vs. Eddie.The feud started out great,but then this ''secret'' crap happened.Why does WWE feel the need to string out storylines by adding stupid ''twists'' to them?

[John Constantine]

I don't care about the card at all...because it sucks. Though I hope that Benoit wins the US title and gets a long run with it.

I'm hoping for that as well just so they could make something out of the US title again. OJ has sucked all the life out of that division.....:(

A Rey-Benoit US title feud would be pretty interesting :o

[Sabretooth]

MNM vs. Heidenreich and Animal looks pathetic.Though Mexicools vs. bWo should be pretty awesome :up:

[U.S War Machine]

BTW what ever happened to that one wrestler I forgot his name, but you may know if I described him. He was new around 2004 and he wore all that white kinda was a undertaker wanna be, he carried out a cross. His name was like Malicai or somethin

[Savage]

Mordecai. They felt he was sloppy or something and wasn't ready yet so they sent him packin back to OVW.

[Super Kal]

what he said

[Sabretooth]

Oh god I heard Heidenreich and Animal won the titles :( :( :(

[John Constantine]

Yeah, it's true. Heidie and Animal beat MNM.

I attribute this to three things:

1. Animal's brother is Johnny Ace, who's like one of the head writers (I think)
2. Animal as tag team champion will allow the WWE to shill the LOD dvd even more
3. This provides a rematch for summerslam

[TheVileOne]

It still sucks crap Constantine. This is pretty symbolic of how horrible WWE is right now. These 2 slugs, one of whom is broken down and retired defeat the dominant tag team champions in less than 7 minutes. Pathetic booking.

[Sabretooth]

Now we'll see even more of Heidenreich on SD! :(

I honestly may not care about Heidenreich and Animal if Benoit wins the title though.:o

[TheVileOne]

Oh and more crappy booking with Booker T going over Christian. There's no reason Booker T should've won. They need to build up Christian to make him a title contender, they just aren't doing it.

[John Constantine]

Yeah, I know it is. But that's the WWE for you. They've basically shown they don't care about the tag team division in the first place. I keep hearing that they want to rebuild the tag-team division from the bottom up, but how can they accomplish that when they have a promising young tag team job to a team barely anyone really cares about now? :confused:

[John Constantine]

Oh and more crappy booking with Booker T going over Christian. There's no reason Booker T should've won. They need to build up Christian to make him a title contender, they just aren't doing it.

This match would've been a perfect opportunity for Matt Hardy to come out and attack Christian. It would not only be something different for Hardy, it would show that Hardy doesn't give a **** (as they're trying to do with his gimmick currently), plus it gives a bit of history behind it as Christian is supposed to be Edge's "brother"

Talk about wasted potential......:o :(

[TheVileOne]

Not just that, but a team of guys who absolutely suck in the ring. This is a kind of throwaway match you put on velocity, not a 35 dollar PPV for the tag team titles. But that's how thin and depleted the rosters are now.

[Sabretooth]

Wait Christian lost?

God damn it.How's Christian gonna be a main heel when he jobs to friggin Booker T?Jesus H. Christ,glad I'm not the poor bastard that payed for this :down

[John Constantine]

Wait Christian lost?

God damn it.How's Christian gonna be a main heel when he jobs to friggin Booker T?Jesus H. Christ,glad I'm not the poor bastard that payed for this :down

Then again, Chris Jericho hasn't won a match in like 2 months as well and he has a title shot for Summerslam :o

[Sabretooth]

This match would've been a perfect opportunity for Matt Hardy to come out and attack Christian. It would not only be something different for Hardy, it would show that Hardy doesn't give a **** (as they're trying to do with his gimmick currently), plus it gives a bit of history behind it as Christian is supposed to be Edge's "brother"

Talk about wasted potential......:o :(
WWE for some reason have been trying to ignore the fact that they're ''brothers'' though.:o

[Sabretooth]

Then again, Chris Jericho hasn't won a match in like 2 months as well and he has a title shot for Summerslam :o
He also has to go against Cena.Christian had Booker T and really could've gone over him.

[John Constantine]

WWE for some reason have been trying to ignore the fact that they're ''brothers'' though.:o

Yeah, but it would've been a very interesting surprise if they had Hardy come out and attack Christian. Plus, there's a bit of history between the two.....

[John Constantine]

He also has to go against Cena.Christian had Booker T and really could've gone over him.

Meh, I knew Christian was going to lose when he beat Booker two weeks ago on SD....

[Sabretooth]

Meh, I knew Christian was going to lose when he beat Booker two weeks ago on SD....
They're still gonna have a rematch this week on SD!


That's what I hate about WWE PPVs.Instead of them being feud enders,they just set up for the second match between the two wrestlers.Like Wrestlemania 21 should been the first and last match between Batista and HHH.They're feud went on for two more months.The last PPV where Kurt and Booker went at it,instead of them ending it,it went on until Kurt got drafted to Raw.

[TheVileOne]

Orlando Jordan beats Benoit. **** WWE.

TNA baby, they don't do stupid crap like this.

[John Constantine]

Now we'll see even more of Heidenreich on SD! :(

I honestly may not care about Heidenreich and Animal if Benoit wins the title though.:o

That's not even going to happen, OJ beat Benoit :down

So this means the US title is going down to **** even more....:up:

[John Constantine]

Orlando Jordan beats Benoit. **** WWE.

TNA baby, they don't do stupid crap like this.

I have to admit, TNA is a good alternative for now....and TNA getting bigger only means that the WWE will have to step it up :up:

[Sabretooth]

OJ beat Benoit?What a load of bull****!:mad:


Hope WWE realized they let some stupid ass clown with 5 foot tall hair beat a guy that could've brought light to that now ****ty division

[Sabretooth]

Orlando Jordan beats Benoit. **** WWE.

TNA baby, they don't do stupid crap like this.
Oh definitely.I just wish more people would watch TNA :(

[John Constantine]

OJ beat Benoit?What a load of bull****!:mad:


Hope WWE realized they let some stupid ass clown with 5 foot tall hair beat a guy that could've brought light to that now ****ty division

OJ could've been a good US champion......if they let him actually defend the title once in a while or if he actually had an actual feud for the title :eek:

He won the title shortly before Wrestlemania. That's like 3 or 4 months....name one feud he's actually had in defending that title. That's why the US title is ****. Look at Shelton Benjamin, that guy brought legitimacy back to the IC title because he defended it on an almost weekly basis. And he became more credible because of it. OJ is nothing but a joke now, even with that US title around his waist.

Benoit would've been good for the US title because there would've been a small chance it would've been defended on a regular basis.....

[Jason Blood]

TNA's PPV last week was sooo much better than this pile of crap

so far, everyone that should have won, lost

[TheVileOne]

Yes, at TNA No Surrender, all the finishes on that PPV were the PROPER finishes.

[Savage]

At least Taker provided a good show. This match should be good too with the ECW alumni here.

[Sabretooth]

Did Undertaker do anything to Hassan after the match?

[Savage]

Oh yeah! Chokeslammed him on the steel panneling but then figured that wasn't enough. So he removed a few pieces of the paneling and gave him the Last Ride right through it, onto the cold concrete. Guys busted the back of his head open and was left convulsing.

[TheVileOne]

Good riddance to Muhammed Hassan.

[Sabretooth]

Oh yeah! Chokeslammed him on the steel panneling but then figured that wasn't enough. So he removed a few pieces of the paneling and gave him the Last Ride right through it, onto the cold concrete. Guys busted the back of his head open and was left convulsing.
Hm.,was it supposed to be like Undertaker killed him or just seriously injured him?

[John Constantine]

Oh yeah! Chokeslammed him on the steel panneling but then figured that wasn't enough. So he removed a few pieces of the paneling and gave him the Last Ride right through it, onto the cold concrete. Guys busted the back of his head open and was left convulsing.

What a waste....so now it's going to be Batista versus Undertaker at Summerslam :rolleyes: :mad:

[Sabretooth]

Would've been a squash match anyways :o

[John Constantine]

What? Hassan vs Batista? I doubt it, particularly with a Summerslam match......

[Savage]

Hm.,was it supposed to be like Undertaker killed him or just seriously injured him?
Not sure but I guess now they have an excuse for why he'll be gone.

[TheVileOne]

Hassan/Batista would've sucked just as much. WWE just sucks right now either way, whatever they do. This PPV is symbolic of that.

[Savage]

Pretty much, yeah.

[The Ghoul]

Good riddiance to Mohammed Hassan.

First, you spelled Muhammed wrong; & second, Mark Magnus & Shawn Davari are great wrestlers & both have great mic skills. Show some respect. Magnus took a way too cliche character & made it go over like wild fire. They took a race that wasn't even their own & made everyone (or at least the casual fans) believe. (Magnus is Italian I just firgot his real last name... it begins with a P. & Davri is Persian & if you do research you would know Persians & Arabs are 2 different races.) Plus Hassan was the first character to get mainstream media attention in almost 3 years.


For people in Florida, Sunsine network shows TNA:Impact tapings every friday at midnight.

[Savage]

*claps*:)

[TheVileOne]

First, you spelled Muhammed wrong; & second, Mark Magnus & Shawn Davari are great wrestlers & both have great mic skills. Show some respect. Magnus took a way too cliche character & made it go over like wild fire. They took a race that wasn't even their own & made everyone (or at least the casual fans) believe. (Magnus is Italian I just firgot his real last name... it begins with a P. & Davri is Persian & if you do research you would know Persians & Arabs are 2 different races.) Plus Hassan was the first character to get mainstream media attention in almost 3 years.

I'm not going to show them any respect because they have done NOTHING to earn mine. Mark Magnus is a mediocre wrestler and it makes me sick he still has a job while great wrestlers and performers like Shannon Moore and Haas were fired. And slugs like Heidenreich and Animal are the tag champs.

I highly doubt having a character that draws attention to and comparison to the people that cut off the heads of Americans and just bombed innocent people in London is the kind of mainstream media attention WWE wants.

The gimmick was designed to be controversial for controversy's sake and it backfired on WWE big time plain and simple.

And just a little FYI, Arab American and Muslim civil rights groups HATED the character as well.

It was a horrible, stereotypical character that incites and provokes negative feelings toward a minority and that is NOT a good thing.

For people in Florida, Sunsine network shows TNA:Impact tapings every friday at midnight.

They should, that way they can watch a REAL wrestling promotion without stupid **** like Mohammed Hassan and this CRAPPY ass PPV WWE made people pay for tonight. At least TNA understands that when you make fans pay 30 dollars or more for a show, you better freaking deliver the goods.

[The Ghoul]

I'm not going to show them any respect because they have done NOTHING to earn mine. Mark Magnus is a mediocre wrestler and it makes me sick he still has a job while great wrestlers and performers like Shannon Moore and Haas were fired. And slugs like Heidenreich and Animal are the tag champs.

I highly doubt having a character that draws attention to and comparison to the people that cut off the heads of Americans and just bombed innocent people in London is the kind of mainstream media attention WWE wants.

The gimmick was designed to be controversial for controversy's sake and it backfired on WWE big time plain and simple.

And just a little FYI, Arab American and Muslim civil rights groups HATED the character as well.

It was a horrible, stereotypical character that incites and provokes negative feelings toward a minority and that is NOT a good thing.





I didn't say his character was amazing I said the wrestler using the character was great. I am with you on the stereotypes & that MAYBE WWE did not want that kind of attention. I said that the character worked. 3 months after 9/11 there were comedians making jokes, noone said anything. & if the terrorist angle didn't happen to air the same day as the London bombing nobody would have thought to compare it to the decapitation video that occured almost 2-3 years ago.(even though it is common knowlage SD! is tape 2 days before so comparing it to that is obsured). So don't blame anyone for bad timing. esspecially sence it had a disclaimer in the begining of the show & a crawl that warned people every 15 minutes. If WWE is theater than blame the director not the actor.

[TheVileOne]

There's a difference, and I had huge problems with Hassan long before the disclaimer. The character was a disaster waiting to happen and the latest turn of events proves it. WWE obviously isn't going to fight for the character either.

[LastSunrise1981]

I've heard and read the results of the WWE PPV. Thankfully I've stopped ordering WWE PPV's, and as many of you know, the WWE just doesn't care about their product anymore. Hence why it's in the state of crap that it's in now, simply because of the lack of competition and their way of releasing talented wrestlers.

TNA has a tv deal and they'll be a great alternative. But they'll have to advertise themselves and show WHY they're better than WWE. Sure, we can spread the word and so forth, but TNA needs to show why they have the better athletes and why they're a better alternative.

With all the releases the WWE made, it should be no surprise that TNA will pick them up and only better their show.

That's why I miss the WWF vs. WCW Monday Night Wars. It was always fun to watch one show, then flip back to the other one to see what was happening, and to see them acknowledge each other on Tv. Man those were the days and I miss them deeply.

WWE needs to get rid of the Hollywood Soap Opera writers, get rid of the dead weight big guys who aren't entertaining or can't wrestle, and cut down on the use of JBL and Ego H. Granted, I'd rather watch and listen to JBL over Ego H, but they're both boring in a sense and fans grow tired of them both really quick.

And with their lack of wrestlers right now, it's become perfectly obvious that the titles mean nothing. As VileOne said, WWE is sucking and they know it, and nothing will be done until TNA can appeal to a much bigger and broader audience. Which is why I'm not watching WWE, they're not getting any free ratings or PPV money from me, so screw them and screw their crappy product. :up: :)

[3dman27]

I've heard and read the results of the WWE PPV. Thankfully I've stopped ordering WWE PPV's, and as many of you know, the WWE just doesn't care about their product anymore. Hence why it's in the state of crap that it's in now, simply because of the lack of competition and their way of releasing talented wrestlers.

TNA has a tv deal and they'll be a great alternative. But they'll have to advertise themselves and show WHY they're better than WWE. Sure, we can spread the word and so forth, but TNA needs to show why they have the better athletes and why they're a better alternative.

With all the releases the WWE made, it should be no surprise that TNA will pick them up and only better their show.

That's why I miss the WWF vs. WCW Monday Night Wars. It was always fun to watch one show, then flip back to the other one to see what was happening, and to see them acknowledge each other on Tv. Man those were the days and I miss them deeply.

WWE needs to get rid of the Hollywood Soap Opera writers, get rid of the dead weight big guys who aren't entertaining or can't wrestle, and cut down on the use of JBL and Ego H. Granted, I'd rather watch and listen to JBL over Ego H, but they're both boring in a sense and fans grow tired of them both really quick.

And with their lack of wrestlers right now, it's become perfectly obvious that the titles mean nothing. As VileOne said, WWE is sucking and they know it, and nothing will be done until TNA can appeal to a much bigger and broader audience. Which is why I'm not watching WWE, they're not getting any free ratings or PPV money from me, so screw them and screw their crappy product. :up: :)
i agree with the remark about soap opera writers and ias i sad before i'll gladly give tna a chance
btw i have a question about impact i though itwent out of productionover a month ago how can sun sports be airing it unless ther showing reruns in order to fulfill its tv contract?

[3dman27]

for those thinking wwe pay per veiws suck maybe we should call them ppUs from now on

[Rainbowbrite]

I've heard and read the results of the WWE PPV. Thankfully I've stopped ordering WWE PPV's, and as many of you know, the WWE just doesn't care about their product anymore. Hence why it's in the state of crap that it's in now, simply because of the lack of competition and their way of releasing talented wrestlers.

TNA has a tv deal and they'll be a great alternative. But they'll have to advertise themselves and show WHY they're better than WWE. Sure, we can spread the word and so forth, but TNA needs to show why they have the better athletes and why they're a better alternative.

With all the releases the WWE made, it should be no surprise that TNA will pick them up and only better their show.

That's why I miss the WWF vs. WCW Monday Night Wars. It was always fun to watch one show, then flip back to the other one to see what was happening, and to see them acknowledge each other on Tv. Man those were the days and I miss them deeply.

WWE needs to get rid of the Hollywood Soap Opera writers, get rid of the dead weight big guys who aren't entertaining or can't wrestle, and cut down on the use of JBL and Ego H. Granted, I'd rather watch and listen to JBL over Ego H, but they're both boring in a sense and fans grow tired of them both really quick.



These hollywood writers know nothing about wrestling. One of the diva search rejects(Alexis) wrote a poem and Katie Vick was mentioned in it,well the writers did not get it. That really pisses me off. Lets say there was only wcw in the 90's do you think we would of ever gotten Stone Cold NO!!!. Like u said the wwe needs competition to better themselves. I mean competing brands isn't working. The brand split has run its course. Look at GAB a god awful ppv, why because it was a brand only ppv.

[Lobo]

Oh yeah! Chokeslammed him on the steel panneling but then figured that wasn't enough. So he removed a few pieces of the paneling and gave him the Last Ride right through it, onto the cold concrete. Guys busted the back of his head open and was left convulsing.


Is it wrong that I couldn't stop laughing after I saw that :confused:

[Sabretooth]

I've been hearing rumors about Shannon Moore going to TNA,and Spike Dudley and Akio may be going to ROH.And Morgan,Jindrak,and Haas are supposedly going to wrestle in Japan.

God,can you imagine Shannon Moore in the X- Divison :eek:

[Twitch]

I've been hearing rumors about Shannon Moore going to TNA,and Spike Dudley and Akio may be going to ROH.And Morgan,Jindrak,and Haas are supposedly going to wrestle in Japan.

God,can you imagine Shannon Moore in the X- Divison :eek:

That will be so sweet :eek:

Shame Haas is aiming for Japan :(

[TheVileOne]

Finally something LastSunrise1981 and I can agree on! WWE's product currently sucks, and TNA is a great wrestling alternative!

Hats off LastSunrise :) .

[Sabretooth]

Hell yes!

From Lordsofpain.net
''Although the Undertaker defeated Muhammad Hassan last night and became #1 contender to Batista's world title, it's likely WWE will book themselves out of it by bringing back Randy Orton and setting up a WrestleMania re-match at the next PPV.''

I'm sooo glad that I don't have to see Undertaker in the title match for the 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000th time :)

[White_Howling]

how many times has the undertake won the belt? just wondering

[hotrain33]

I believe he has had the gold at least four times. Check his smackdown bio to get the correct answer. I two would like to see Taker and ortan again in a wrestlemania rematch as well. As far as who will get the next shot at batista's world title it will be jbl again if you look at the ending of their gab match.

[LastSunrise1981]

"Vince McMahon Upset With Last Night's PPV
Published by Brian Cantor on 07/25/2005 at 01:05 PM

Source: PWInsider.com

- Vince McMahon was said to be very upset with last night's PPV. After two consecutive pay-per-views that led to strong reaction from fans and wrestlers alike, Great American Bash was seen as a dud, and even Vince expressed displeasure. He was seen walking around backstage in a very bad mood.

- There were quite a few upset with the logic of Batista getting disqualified in the main-event, although WWE has consistently stood by the concept that it has creative liberty to ignore certain things and focus on others."

www.thewrestlinganswer.com

But we all know Vince will do nothing to correct the situation. :o

[DOG LIPS]

2 and a half hours till wrasslin. I'm so ******* bored. :(

[John Constantine]

"Vince McMahon Upset With Last Night's PPV
Published by Brian Cantor on 07/25/2005 at 01:05 PM

Source: PWInsider.com

- Vince McMahon was said to be very upset with last night's PPV. After two consecutive pay-per-views that led to strong reaction from fans and wrestlers alike, Great American Bash was seen as a dud, and even Vince expressed displeasure. He was seen walking around backstage in a very bad mood.

- There were quite a few upset with the logic of Batista getting disqualified in the main-event, although WWE has consistently stood by the concept that it has creative liberty to ignore certain things and focus on others."

www.thewrestlinganswer.com

But we all know Vince will do nothing to correct the situation. :o


That's what happens when they make a PPV about as ordinary as your average episode of SD and hardly hype any of the matches (except for the Rey vs Eddie match which was like hyped 20 times on one episode)

[Jager X]

what channel does tna come on?i watched it one time two years ago and loved it but now i don't even know when or where it comes on.

[The Techno Bat]

how many times has the undertake won the belt? just wondering

Just FOUR Times

1991 he beat Hulk Hogan
1997 he beat Sid Justice
1999 he beat Stone Cold Steve Austin
2002 he beat Hulk Hogan

[3dman27]

what channel does tna come on?i watched it one time two years ago and loved it but now i don't even know when or where it comes on.
it was on fox sports net untill last monyh now its ,to the best of my knowledgeout of production pending a spike tv contract

[Jason Blood]

WTF???

Eugene?

they should've killed off his character when they had the chance


Matt Striker should've been the one anyway

[Jason Blood]

no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no


they did not just do what I think they just did

[DOG LIPS]

That was lame. :(

[The Techno Bat]

:hulk: :mad: How many more F-NG times are we going to see Edge vs Kane! ! ! !

Having Eugene be the guy to take the medal was a joke! Christy Hemme is smoking hot though.

Cena vs Fozzy is one of the dumbest things I think I have ever heard of, why can't they stick to wrestling!

[Donnie Darko]

I turn on Raw 10 minutes late and the first thing I see is Eugene dancing around with Angle's medal. This is just bad.

[The Techno Bat]

Angle vs Eugene at Summer Slam I bet for the gold medal

[Donnie Darko]

probably

[Jason Blood]

Midgets!!!

[The Techno Bat]

Okay the show is getting better

[DOG LIPS]

Oye. :(

[Jason Blood]

Okay the show is getting better
I Knooow

Midgets make any wrestling show better

[Sabretooth]

Bwahaha did anyone hear Jerry Lawler during the midget fight?

''You know,if Viscera's partner loses,he could always commit suicide and jump off a curb''

[DOG LIPS]

I'm still sad aboot the Angle medals thing. :(

[The Techno Bat]

I Knooow

Midgets make any wrestling show better

that they do...

[The Techno Bat]

REST IN PEACE LORD ALFRED HAYES, that dude was pretty funny

[Sabretooth]

I'm still sad aboot the Angle medals thing. :(
I hate Eugene.Hated him a year ago,and hate him now.With Benoit not getting the US title,and now this,I don't know who to trust anymore :(

[DOG LIPS]

I hate Eugene.Hated him a year ago,and hate him now.With Benoit not getting the US title,and now this,I don't know who to trust anymore :(
I guess tonight they are going for pure comedy. :(

[Sabretooth]

I guess tonight they are going for pure comedy. :(
With Shelton about to go out there and wrestle,of course they're going for comedy :D

[DOG LIPS]

With Shelton about to go out there and wrestle,of course they're going for comedy :D
I can't wait. :D:up:

[Jason Blood]

I'm betting five bucks that Shelton botches something

[Sabretooth]

I'm betting five bucks that Shelton botches something
He needs to calm down,otherwise he'll fall off the stairsteps like last week :D :up:

[Donnie Darko]

this match may get really ugly... Benjamin has been missing a lot the last few weeks (even though before that, and even between mistakes, he's amazing in the ring) and his two opponents have zero skills

[The Techno Bat]

Hey I'm a Bad Man, boy does this SUCK

[Sabretooth]

Maybe if Cena was actually rapping instead of running around,it wouldn't suck so much


Kick his ass Jericho!:mad:

[The Techno Bat]

He needs to calm down,otherwise he'll fall off the stairsteps like last week :D :up:

That is what I thought happened but wasn't sure

[Donnie Darko]

I'm really surprised. John Cena can actually flow all right

[The Techno Bat]

Maybe if Cena was actually rapping instead of running around,it wouldn't suck so much


Kick his ass Jericho!:mad:

Go FOZZY!

[Sabretooth]

Know what's funny?Jericho's right.That audience is a flock of sheep.

[Donnie Darko]

Jericho speaks only the truth... sheep, indeed

[Sabretooth]

Damn,I wanted Fozzy to own Cena

[DOG LIPS]

Yeah, that's what we need, one more song. :rolleyes:

[Donnie Darko]

yeah, I really wanted to see them, too

[Capt Throbberson]

Man Cena sucks

[Jason Blood]

Hbk ****ing Rocks!!!

[Sabretooth]

This is one of the reasons I can't stand WWE.They hype things for a week,and then the thing that was hyped doesn't even happen.Talk about a way to waste a Monday night.:mad: :(

[Donnie Darko]

ok, how big of a squash is Cena vs Carlito gonna be this time?

[Sabretooth]

ok, how big of a squash is Cena vs Carlito gonna be this time?
Pretty big,though Jericho will be ref,though that won't make much difference.


And,what the hell is up with HBK?The first few weeks of his heel turn he was actually acting heel.But nowadays is it me or is he acting like a face? :confused:

[Donnie Darko]

HBK is the man

[Sabretooth]

HAHAHAHHA!Hbk is so god damn awesome.I loved that ''What'cha gonna do?'' thing.:D

I'm so glad someone's finally laying the smack on Hogan,and who better than Michaels?

[Sabretooth]

WTF?Eugene Invitational?

I hope Eugene injures his knee and is out for another year :)

[Donnie Darko]

that would be lovely

[Sabretooth]

Kurt deserves so much better than this.Why do they crap on the good ones?:(

Jordan beat Benoit
Booker beat Christian
Eugene beat Kurt
and soon Cena will beat Jericho :(

[Donnie Darko]

HELL YEAH Benjamin

[Sabretooth]

There may be hope for him yet :up:

[Donnie Darko]

HAHAHAHA "Lock it in!!!!"

[Donnie Darko]

fuyck this bull****. there is no way in hell he could hold that on Shelton Benjamin, an elite amateur wrestler

[Sabretooth]

fuyck this bull****. there is no way in hell he could hold that on Shelton Benjamin, an elite amateur wrestler
Yeah.Benjamin could've countered.



Raw has sucked so far :down

[Donnie Darko]

except Benjamin nailing his big spot finally, that was good

[DOG LIPS]

Damn I'm hungry. :(

[Donnie Darko]

don;t they know you eat the hot dog first, then dip the bun in water and eat that? gah

[Sabretooth]

What kind of contest was that?Damn are they out of ideas

[DOG LIPS]

RAW is boring tonight. Same ol' same ol'. :confused:

[Sabretooth]

RAW is boring tonight. Same ol' same ol'. :confused:
Yeah,only things that were good were HBK and the midgets

[DOG LIPS]

The hotdog thing was horrible, those girls could barely eat one. :confused:

[Sabretooth]

Heh they showed Lita's asscrack for a few seconds :D

[Capt Throbberson]

Yeah I saw that, I wonder if Matt's gonna show up again.

[DOG LIPS]

Heh they showed Lita's asscrack for a few seconds :D
Highlight of the night. :D:up:

[Capt Throbberson]

Wow Carlito actually won, too bad he won't next week

[John Constantine]

And most importantly....Carlito actually got quite a bit of offence tonight :eek: :eek:

[3dman27]

so our olympic hero has lost his medal and to everybody's buddy EUGENEas well
EXCELLENT[you do know theinmternational olympic committee won't allow a REAL olympic medal to be used that way]
EUGENE EUGENE EUGENE

[The Techno Bat]

What is Carlito's finisher? I always see him getting beat up all the time has he ever pulled off a Signature Finisher? I know he has the DDT, but he has to have a finisher. And what about his t-shirt? That kicks @$$

[LastSunrise1981]

More WWE news;

Credit: PWInsider.com Elite News Hotline

- SmackDown! workers have stated that Christian is very aware that the proverbial rug has been pulled from under him by WWE.

- Christian was said to be very happy a few months back when it seemed WWE would be pushing him as a main-eventer, however his feelings have now changed and while he isn't being a bad employee over it, he is said to be upset at how things have turned out.

- Christian was of course cleanly pinned in his first match on SmackDown! and lost to Booker T at the Great American Bash this past Sunday when the 5-time WCW champion had no momentum going into the match.

- On SmackDown! worker stated that Christian is just "one of them now" after realizing his push is going nowhere. -------------------------------------------------------------------------

I must say Christian should be upset. It's not like they're ever going to give him a fair chance, all the more reason why this TNA deal needs to hurry up and offer an alternative.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Credit: Pwinsider.com

-One of the main reason's that Vince McMahon was so upset last night had to deal with Batista's work in the main event against JBL. Vince & WWE have had really high hopes that Batista would be able to carry the title and continue to draw fans, but they are now concerned about his in ring work. Batista's rough in-ring work didn't show up as much in his series of matches against Triple H, because Triple H was able to carry him so well, but last night it was obvious that Batista was having problems in his match with JBL.

Well, look who you put Batista against. You put him up against JBL who isn't exactly a ringmaster and watchable wrestler in the ring. Now, maybe if you put Batista against The Undertaker, Chris Benoit, or Christian for a title defense you'll get a good to great match out of him.

[Spider-Fan]

JBL isn't a great in ring wrestler, but Batista is worse. He has finally been exposed for what he is, a no talent champion.

[Spider-Fan]

And most importantly....Carlito actually got quite a bit of offence tonight :eek: :eek:

Shocking isn't it? I was glad to see he could do more than talk and get destroyed in matches.

[Sabretooth]

Souce:lordofpain.net


''Ring Of Honor Champion CM Punk will make his WWE debut this weekend on Sunday Night Heat in a match against Rob Begley. Punk is managed by Alexis Laree who was a member of “The Gathering” back in NWA: TNA.''

[LastSunrise1981]

JBL isn't a great in ring wrestler, but Batista is worse. He has finally been exposed for what he is, a no talent champion.

Then if they felt that way, he shouldn't have won the title and they could've had Benoit, Christian, Jericho, or Kane win the title from Ego H.

That is not the fault of Batista. WWE is just in a sad sorry state of affairs, and they've dug themselves in a deep hole. Oh well.

I still eagerly await TNA.

[Riggs15382]

dont be a fool

[Twitch]

Get out :mad: :down

[Sabretooth]

dont be a fool
Quit spamming :o

[Spider-Fan]

Then if they felt that way, he shouldn't have won the title and they could've had Benoit, Christian, Jericho, or Kane win the title from Ego H.

That is not the fault of Batista. WWE is just in a sad sorry state of affairs, and they've dug themselves in a deep hole. Oh well.

I still eagerly await TNA.

The only reason he has a fan base is because he split from Evolution. If he never did that, then he would never be in the title picture. The WWE is trying to make a new Goldberg, and Batista just won't be that.

[DOG LIPS]

I'm usually out of the loop on backstage-news. What happened to Trish? :confused:

[The Apocalypse]

SHe was/is injured idk. She has been out TV for a while now..she is stil lthe womens champ too.

[TheVileOne]

If Vince is pissed he needs to wake up and realize that they are coasting and slacking off on all their PPV's and weekly shows. While TNA is delivering some of the best PPV's of the year on a monthly basis and better weekly wrestling shows.

[3dman27]

i read that torrie wilson is having personality conflicts backstage and that being the GAB poster girl kept her from being fired with her husband billy kidman now that GAB's history[no pun intended] does she still work for the wwe?

[John Constantine]

Shocking isn't it? I was glad to see he could do more than talk and get destroyed in matches.

I heard before that he really wasn't that bad of a wrestler in OVW. He could've certainly handled his own. But it seemed that the WWE designated him as a cowardly heel and that was why he would always get destroyed in matches but still manage to squeak away with the victory or his belt intact. I'm glad that he was allowed on Raw this week to at least showcase some of his wrestling skill :up:

[John Constantine]

If Vince is pissed he needs to wake up and realize that they are coasting and slacking off on all their PPV's and weekly shows. While TNA is delivering some of the best PPV's of the year on a monthly basis and better weekly wrestling shows.

If TNA can keep up with their current pace (and not allow the Russo's or Dusty Rhodes to return) by the time their on Spike TV, they could eventually a suitable enough audience to compete with the WWE. That would be the only solution to Vince waking up and changing his product around.....

[TheVileOne]

Yes Constantine, someone needs to light a fire up WWE and Vince McMahon's ass big time. Can TNA do this? I hope they can, I don't know if they can. But I hope someone be it TNA, or even Joey Styles new Extremely Hardcore Wrestling can do this.

[John Constantine]

If they can keep up this current pace and actually become a second alternative to wrestling like WCW was, I don't see why they won't be. They just need to stay away from some of the politics that pervaded WCW and WWE at the moment. But TNA has greatly improved. They still show some of their old episodes from 2002-2003 here and by god, was most of the stuff pretty horrible to watch.

[hotrain33]

I have been following tna for a while and one thing that I have noticed is that even though they do have a group of young wrestlers who could be the future stars in this business. They are being pushed to the side for the older veterans like Jarret and Raven. If you have been watching there impact shows that are shown on line thanks to real player. Jarret has pushed himself back in to the title picture once again. He is tna's version of triple h.

[John Constantine]

I have been following tna for a while and one thing that I have noticed is that even though they do have a group of young wrestlers who could be the future stars in this business. They are being pushed to the side for the older veterans like Jarret and Raven. If you have been watching there impact shows that are shown on line thanks to real player. Jarret has pushed himself back in to the title picture once again. He is tna's version of triple h.

I can't really fault Raven being TNA champion at the moment though. This was a guy who put his blood (literally) and sweat for the company for 2 years and was frequently unappreciated....they even had him jobbing to Dustin Rhodes a few months back!

And one good thing about TNA as well is the X-division. It's treated as a division that is almost as prestige as the heavyweight division itself and it is there that the majority of the younger talent is allowed to showcase their stuff.

[TheVileOne]

Raven's world title win was way overdue and no one deserved it more than him. They can always give it back to guys like AJ Styles.

Daniels I think in a year from now should be world champion after he's done with the X title.

But as Constantine said, the X title in many ways is just as significant as the world title. That's why AJ Styles like to keep returning for competing it, he prefers the X division style over the heavyweight style.

[patrickbateman]

could someone tell me abt the whole Eddie and rey and rey's kid thing?

i've missed alot of episodes

[TheVileOne]

Eddie apparently wants to take a skeleton out of Rey's closet, and has been taunting that he will tell it to Dominic in a bed time story. Its apparently some secret that could hurt Rey personally along with his life and his family.

[White_Howling]

i didn't see the batista vs jbl match. was it really that bad?

[TheVileOne]

That it ended in a DQ finish was bad enough, but JBL and Batista are really not that competent in the ring unless they have opponents of exceptional quality.

[LastSunrise1981]

More WWE News:

Many wrestlers are currently frustrated with the creative team. Recently, Vince McMahon gave a speech to the wrestlers asking them to step it up a notch. The wrestlers will do whatever they can, but for the most part it is up to creative if they can take that next step. The creative team is responsible for virtually every aspect of their character, including what they say in promo's, if they are given a chance to do one.

The creative team members insist that it's the talent's fault for not getting themselves over, which couldn't be further from the truth as the talent is only allowed to do what they are told to do by creative.

Credit: Dave Scherer @ PWInsider.com

:rolleyes: Nothing really needs to be said.

[TheVileOne]

**** WWE creative then.

I put all the blame squarely on their and Vince McMahon's shoulders.

...and John Heidenreich's.

[Sabretooth]

God that is bull.And that ''creative'' team doesn't know **** about wrestling

[White_Howling]

does the creative team write their lines to??????????
or do wrestlers improv?

[TheVileOne]

They do write all their lines for the most part.

That's one of the reasons why Steve Austin was getting so fed up with WWE and their product, wrestlers don't really get to do anything with their characters or form their promos or anything.

[John Constantine]

God that is bull.And that ''creative'' team doesn't know **** about wrestling

That's like a given. Most of these writers are writers on tv shows and **** like that. It really boggles my mind that they don't have Heyman be a writer......

[John Constantine]

Smackdown tapings are up....it sounds a bit like a "meh" show, except for two things:

Eddie reveals part of the secret. He's (surprise, surprise) Dominic's father. Back when he and his wife were briefly separated, he had impregnated a girl. That child was Dominic. Eddie out of the "goodness of his heart" allowed the child to be adopted by Rey and his wife. But apparently more "twists" will be revealed next week.


Oh, and JBL beats Undertaker (with interference by Randy Orton) to once again be the number one contender to the championship title :rolleyes:

[TheVileOne]

Looks like TNA is going to be outdoing the WWE on PPV AGAIN next month. And this is Summerslam, the second biggest WWE PPV/show of the year.


JBL and Batista have a crappy ass match on PPV and they decide to do it AGAIN at Summerslam? HUH?! :mad:

And how can Eddie reveal the secret if he lost the PPV match, I thought he couldn't reveal it ever? Then why the hell did Rey win?


This is just symbolic of how much WWE and their creative team sucks right now. The worst part is that the wrestlers are taking the heat for the bookers and the creative team's stupidity.

Looking at this, its no wonder why I stopped watching WWE.

[PyroChamber]

Soo, is HBK a heel or is he still considered a face?

[Lobo]

Looks like TNA is going to be outdoing the WWE on PPV AGAIN next month. And this is Summerslam, the second biggest WWE PPV/show of the year.


JBL and Batista have a crappy ass match on PPV and they decide to do it AGAIN at Summerslam? HUH?! :mad:

And how can Eddie reveal the secret if he lost the PPV match, I thought he couldn't reveal it ever? Then why the hell did Rey win?


This is just symbolic of how much WWE and their creative team sucks right now. The worst part is that the wrestlers are taking the heat for the bookers and the creative team's stupidity.

Looking at this, its no wonder why I stopped watching WWE.


well eddie can reveal the secret because he "lies" cheats and steals

[TheVileOne]

well eddie can reveal the secret because he "lies" cheats and steals


As per the storyline, Eddie signed a contract saying as to if he loses the match at Great American Bash he can NEVER tell the secret. So basically WWE just ripped everyone off because of their stupidity.

WWE sucks and is nothing but garbage.

[Lobo]

Agreed. But the reason I posted will be the reason World Wrestling Eggheads give.

[3dman27]

This is just symbolic of how much WWE and their creative team sucks right now. The worst part is that the wrestlers are taking the heat for the bookers and the creative team's stupidity.

Looking at this, its no wonder why I stopped watching WWE.i.e the mohammad hassan /mark copoli incedent

[White_Howling]

yep they got rid of hassan.. its on wwe with the lame cover up that he was badly injured..

damn it wwe what da hell are you doing!

[Lobo]

Hassan was born in 1981 :eek: he's younger than me :mad:

[White_Howling]

really!!! damn so young to be a whipping boy..

[Hunter Rider]

I havent read everything on here but im sure you all know that GAB was even worse than we feared:down
Benoit losing to Jordan ruined any chance of lifting the US division,Christian is now officailly buried and WTF was up with fatimal and moron man winning the tag belts ?:mad: oh and the cop out ending of the World title match ????:down

[Hunter Rider]

Yes Constantine, someone needs to light a fire up WWE and Vince McMahon's ass big time. Can TNA do this? I hope they can, I don't know if they can. But I hope someone be it TNA, or even Joey Styles new Extremely Hardcore Wrestling can do this.

Agreed 100%:mad:
after flicking through Raw i was amazed to find it was even worse than last weeks show
Eugene and Angle ?
Playboy wannabe's and hotdog eating
Hip Hop concerts ?
Viscera and midget wrestlers ?
Cena/Bischoff rehashing an angle thats 6 years old?
Shelton being wasted against 2 talentless blocks of crap ?
Edge vs Kane match number 200048294812947109471283944 (constantine can verify this:cool: )

Oh And 2 talentless gimmick whores in the main event ?

And WWE wonders why their product sucks :confused: :o

[Hunter Rider]

Smackdown tapings are up....it sounds a bit like a "meh" show, except for two things:

Eddie reveals part of the secret. He's (surprise, surprise) Dominic's father. Back when he and his wife were briefly separated, he had impregnated a girl. That child was Dominic. Eddie out of the "goodness of his heart" allowed the child to be adopted by Rey and his wife. But apparently more "twists" will be revealed next week.


Oh, and JBL beats Undertaker (with interference by Randy Orton) to once again be the number one contender to the championship title :rolleyes:

Eddie:"Dominic your mother never told you about your father" Dominic:"she told me you pinned him" Eddie "No esse i am your father homes":rolleyes: :(


im not sure if thats worse than the triple threat i thought they were gonna do or not:confused:

[Lobo]

Edge vs Kane match number 200048294812947109471283944 (constantine can verify this:cool: )


I think it was match 200048294812947109471283945 :o ;) :p

[LastSunrise1981]

That's like a given. Most of these writers are writers on tv shows and **** like that. It really boggles my mind that they don't have Heyman be a writer......

Two words

Stephanie McMahon.

[Sabretooth]

JBL AGAIN?Jesus ****ing CHRIST.How many god damn times is he going to be in the title picture?Why the hell can't they put Christian in there for once?


Ya know,it's stuff like that I just can't get,Vince was pissed off at how crappy GAB was and that crappy main event,so what does he do?He does it all over again.GOD this is bull**** :mad:

[Twitch]

If Vince has any sense he should give the company to Shane but that won't ever happen :o

[Sabretooth]

NO way in hell. You know who was in control after Vince's knee went out at Royal Rumble? Triple H and Stephanie. From what I hear,Shane's too much like his mom: soft spoken,meek,etc. and not enough like his Dad.

It sorta sucks for Shane though, Vince obviously considers HHH as more of a son than him :(

[The Batman]

JBL AGAIN?Jesus ****ing CHRIST.How many god damn times is he going to be in the title picture?Why the hell can't they put Christian in there for once?


Ya know,it's stuff like that I just can't get,Vince was pissed off at how crappy GAB was and that crappy main event,so what does he do?He does it all over again.GOD this is bull**** :mad:


I bet you want Taker in that match NOW....

[Sabretooth]

I bet you want Taker in that match NOW....
Nah,I'm actually look forward to Taker vs. Orton at SS :up:

[TheVileOne]

There really nothing I'm looking forward to at Summerslam this year, not even Hogan/HBK.

What I am looking forward to next month is Samoa Joe/AJ Styles.

[White_Howling]

I like orton.. i just hope they don't build him up too fast like last time.. that was pretty sad.. the built him up too fast .. and he fell... just as quickly

[John Constantine]

Hassan was born in 1981 :eek: he's younger than me :mad:

Renee Dupree was born in 1984. And Chris Masters is supposed to be about 20 as well. Though I highly doubt that :up:

[John Constantine]

JBL AGAIN?Jesus ****ing CHRIST.How many god damn times is he going to be in the title picture?Why the hell can't they put Christian in there for once?


Ya know,it's stuff like that I just can't get,Vince was pissed off at how crappy GAB was and that crappy main event,so what does he do?He does it all over again.GOD this is bull**** :mad:

Knowing Vince, he probably decided to do that because he wanted to "do the main event right" this time around.....

[Hunter Rider]

Hassan Update from WZ

In a new WWE.com video clip, SmackDown! General Manager Theodore Long tells Muhammad Hassan that although he's not welcome on SmackDown, he can feel free to go to RAW. The full transcript of the worked promo is below:

"For the past month, Muhammad Hassan has been at the center of a media firestorm. From CNN to USA Today, headlines are all talking about Muhammad Hassan's controversial mission to become the world champion. At the Great American Bash, Muhammad Hassan said that if he did not defeat the Undertaker and become the number one contender, that he would never again appear on SmackDown. We all saw what happened at the Great American Bash. Mr. Hassan is a beaten man - physically and emotionally, with all of his injuries. Now, Mr. Hassan, if you're thinking about coming back to SmackDown...we don't want you, playa. You can go to RAW, or you could go anywhere else on this planet, but as far as I'm concerned, you can go to hell!"

[Lobo]

Renee Dupree was born in 1984. And Chris Masters is supposed to be about 20 as well. Though I highly doubt that :up:


Dupree was 19 in his debut so he is 21 and Masters is supposedly 22.

[Hunter Rider]

Dupree was 19 in his debut so he is 21 and Masters is supposedly 22.

and they both suck:o :up:

[Sabretooth]

Hey!Dupree is friggin awesome! WWE just treats him like crap and he's seriously underrated.

It's people like him that actually need a push:o

[The Ghoul]

JBL AGAIN?Jesus ****ing CHRIST.How many god damn times is he going to be in the title picture?Why the hell can't they put Christian in there for once?


Ya know,it's stuff like that I just can't get,Vince was pissed off at how crappy GAB was and that crappy main event,so what does he do?He does it all over again.GOD this is bull**** :mad:

I actually think that next week there is going to be a "controversy over the match & it will be a fatal four way with Batista vs. JBL vs. Undertaker vs. Randy Orton in a Fatal 4 way.

As for the Eddie thing... Oh **** yeah!!! I ****ing called it. I post that as a prediction a month ago.

[John Constantine]

Hey!Dupree is friggin awesome! WWE just treats him like crap and he's seriously underrated.

It's people like him that actually need a push:o

He's still a bit green in the ring. I wouldn't mind him going down to OVW for a few months for a bit more conditioning.

But at least he's better than Masters or Sylvain Grenier :up:

[John Constantine]

I actually think that next week there is going to be a "controversy over the match & it will be a fatal four way with Batista vs. JBL vs. Undertaker vs. Randy Orton in a Fatal 4 way.

God, I hope not. I'd rather just see Orton get a victory over Undertaker at SS so he can be the number one contender. I don't want to see any fatal fourways or triple threat matches :mad:

[Hunter Rider]

He's still a bit green in the ring. I wouldn't mind him going down to OVW for a few months for a bit more conditioning.

But at least he's better than Masters or Sylvain Grenier :up:

He's better than Masters now thats an achievment:D ;)

[Sabretooth]

I hope Orton goes back to his Evolution theme.His entrance to that song is beautiful.

[John Constantine]

He's better than Masters now thats an achievment:D ;)

There's at least one wrestler worse than Masters though: Gene Snitsky. That guy has no appeal whatsoever. No wrestling or mic skills, a horrible physique....why does this guy still have a job? :mad:

[Sabretooth]

There's at least one wrestler worse than Masters though: Gene Snitsky. That guy has no appeal whatsoever. No wrestling or mic skills, a horrible physique....why does this guy still have a job? :mad:
yeah,but he's so disgusting that he's actually funny.Like that time he was licking Lita's feet.Masters doesn't have that :(

[Twitch]

I hope Orton goes back to his Evolution music.His entrance to that music is beautiful.

Yeah I customized his entrance in SvsR it fit it so perfectly :up:

[John Constantine]

yeah,but he's so disgusting that he's actually funny.Like that time he was licking Lita's feet.Masters doesn't have that :(

At least Masters has the semblence of a wrestler. And he actually put on a couple of okay matches (against Val Venis and Tajiri). Snitsky hasn't even done that.

[Hunter Rider]

There's at least one wrestler worse than Masters though: Gene Snitsky. That guy has no appeal whatsoever. No wrestling or mic skills, a horrible physique....why does this guy still have a job? :mad:

yeah idve fired him and Hiedenriech a long time ago along with carlito and john cena and viscera and eugene and all the other crap currently seeping from the WWE:mad:

[John Constantine]

yeah idve fired him and Hiedenriech a long time ago along with carlito and john cena and viscera and eugene and all the other crap currently seeping from the WWE:mad:

Actually, I'm digging Carlito. This week's Raw shows that he does have some good wrestling skill....it's just that the WWE chose to make him the cowardly heel at all times.

And I actually like Eugene as well. Not only because Nick Dinsmore seems like a great worker (honestly, it's amazing how he can keep in character so well), but he seems like the sentimental face character. My only problem with Eugene last year was that they pushed him to the top way too quickly and he got overexposed.


The only guys I would actually fire are those guys who have horrible wrestling and mic skills - Heidenreich, Tyson Tomko, Gene Snitsky. I would actually keep John Cena around because he has a lot of charisma.....

[Sabretooth]

Plus fans would burn WWE's ass if they ever released Cena ;)

[Hunter Rider]

Actually, I'm digging Carlito. This week's Raw shows that he does have some good wrestling skill....it's just that the WWE chose to make him the cowardly heel at all times.

And I actually like Eugene as well. Not only because Nick Dinsmore seems like a great worker (honestly, it's amazing how he can keep in character so well), but he seems like the sentimental face character. My only problem with Eugene last year was that they pushed him to the top way too quickly and he got overexposed.


The only guys I would actually fire are those guys who have horrible wrestling and mic skills - Heidenreich, Tyson Tomko, Gene Snitsky. I would actually keep John Cena around because he has a lot of charisma.....

well i wil make no coment on this weeks Carlito match cos i havent seen it yet but Cena just pisses me off "i fight for these ppl" ugh:down and he sucks in the ring,if he were working mid card i could stomach him
As for Eugene i agree he keeps in character while wrestling but ive always hated retard gimmick characters they annoy me:mad:

[Hunter Rider]

Plus fans would burn WWE's ass if they ever released Cena ;)

Some fans,i on the other hand would congratulate them:up:

[Lobo]

I congartulate them for not having HHH on raw for 3 weeks that's been the one positive imo :p

[John Constantine]

well i wil make no coment on this weeks Carlito match cos i havent seen it yet but Cena just pisses me off "i fight for these ppl" ugh:down and he sucks in the ring,if he were working mid card i could stomach him
As for Eugene i agree he keeps in character while wrestling but ive always hated retard gimmick characters they annoy me:mad:

Yeah, he is pretty horrible in the ring. That's why I was so surprised this week that Carlito totally schooled him.

What I like about Eugene's gimmick though is that they're playing him off as a hardcore wrestling fan. It's just hilarious how he copies moves off other famous wrestlers. It's kinda like what any wrestling fan might do if they were in the ring as well ;) Just as long as they don't give him the WWE championship, I don't mind his character :up:

[Hunter Rider]

Yeah, he is pretty horrible in the ring. That's why I was so surprised this week that Carlito totally schooled him.

What I like about Eugene's gimmick though is that they're playing him off as a hardcore wrestling fan. It's just hilarious how he copies moves off other famous wrestlers. It's kinda like what any wrestling fan might do if they were in the ring as well ;) Just as long as they don't give him the WWE championship, I don't mind his character :up:

I guess im a wrestling curmudgen:( the thought of him wrestling Angle at Summerslam is pathetic IMO i maybe wouldve accepted is return better if the Raw he returned on wasnt complete balls to begin with that he just made worse
The thing is i have a horrible feeling we are gonna have every main event with Cena in it and they are rehashing the Austin/Mcmahon gimmick with him and Eric
BTW do they even know what they are doing with HBK :confused:

[Lobo]

and they both suck:o :up:


Suck is way too nice for the Masterbater :(

[John Constantine]

I guess im a wrestling curmudgen:( the thought of him wrestling Angle at Summerslam is pathetic IMO i maybe wouldve accepted is return better if the Raw he returned on wasnt complete balls to begin with that he just made worse
The thing is i have a horrible feeling we are gonna have every main event with Cena in it and they are rehashing the Austin/Mcmahon gimmick with him and Eric
BTW do they even know what they are doing with HBK :confused:

I actually like the fact he's feuding with Angle right now. Angle is a great comedic character when he wants to be and it'll be interesting to see his interactions with Eugene the next few weeks (IMO).

With Shawn, it seems like they're trying to bring back the old HBK - The Showstoppa, the main event, the Icon.....;) Did you hear his interview on Raw this week? He totally ripped into Hogan shoot-style. It was pretty kickass :up:

[Hunter Rider]

I actually like the fact he's feuding with Angle right now. Angle is a great comedic character when he wants to be and it'll be interesting to see his interactions with Eugene the next few weeks (IMO).

With Shawn, it seems like they're trying to bring back the old HBK - The Showstoppa, the main event, the Icon.....;) Did you hear his interview on Raw this week? He totally ripped into Hogan shoot-style. It was pretty kickass :up:

Well i guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on Eugene/Angle:)
I havent s seen the promo yet but i heard it was great,the thing is the crowd cheered him i wonder if the crowd reaction will be mixed at Summerslam
I also think after Summerslame he will win the World title and probably defend iuntil he puts someone over at WM22 (cena most liley:mad: :( )

[Sabretooth]

Shawn should be more cocky.He sorta acts like a face.:o But yeah,he schooled Hogan.:up: And he was so awesome,that when he finished,everybody in the building cheered him.I hope he beats Hogan at SS.:o

[John Constantine]

Well he is acting a bit more cocky. BUt he's trying to maintain his mature attitude as well. It's an interesting update on his character IMO.

Plus, a Shawn Michaels who makes shoot comments frequently might make an interesting opponent to an RVD who tells it like it is :)

[Hunter Rider]

Well he is acting a bit more cocky. BUt he's trying to maintain his mature attitude as well. It's an interesting update on his character IMO.

Plus, a Shawn Michaels who makes shoot comments frequently might make an interesting opponent to an RVD who tells it like it is :)

For a WM22 Main event wwe title match ?:eek: oh sweet jesus let it be so

[John Constantine]

I doubt it. A ladder match maybe because HBK always wanted to fight RVD in a ladder match.....

[Lobo]

^^^ That would be :eek:

[Hunter Rider]

I doubt it. A ladder match maybe because HBK always wanted to fight RVD in a ladder match.....

A ladder match for what though ?:confused:
So who is gonna be whoring to Cena at WM22 then ?

[John Constantine]

The Intercontinental title maybe? After-all, they did set up an RVD-Carlito match in the future....:confused:

As for WM 22, I would guess either Kurt Angle, Carlito, or even Triple H

[Hunter Rider]

The Intercontinental title maybe? After-all, they did set up an RVD-Carlito match in the future....:confused:

As for WM 22, I would guess either Kurt Angle, Carlito, or even Triple H

ugh the IC title:( ,well i guess that would be about right for the wwe dont actually use the talented guys in the main event:mad:

HHH vs Cena ......im already bored

[John Constantine]

But then again, it doesn't have to be main event to be great. Shawn versus Kurt last year wasn't main event, but people still anticipated that match more than the title matches :)

Angle or Carlito versus Cena I could actually stand more because of the history Cena has with those two.....I could actually picture Angle winning the title sometime before Royal Rumble and Cena winning it back at WM.....

[Hunter Rider]

But then again, it doesn't have to be main event to be great. Shawn versus Kurt last year wasn't main event, but people still anticipated that match more than the title matches :)

Angle or Carlito versus Cena I could actually stand more because of the history Cena has with those two.....I could actually picture Angle winning the title sometime before Royal Rumble and Cena winning it back at WM.....

yeah that sounds awful but very lilkely:( ive given up ever expecting to see a decent main event on a WWE ppv again i mean Carlito in the WM main event would be :( and the fact it has to be Cena already makes the match crap by default,i would just like for a change the last match of the night to actually be between to great wrestlers:o

[John Constantine]

Carlito's not that bad. I could actually see him in the main event. But not right now or at WM 22. Maybe 2 or 3 years from now. At least he's less annoying than Cena is ;)

The last match of the night for WM usually isn't supposed to be the best match though. It's just supposed to be the one where the big face wins over all hardships. I think it's the WWE's way of closing off the show in a positive manner....