Wrestling

[Hunter Rider]

Carlito's not that bad. I could actually see him in the main event. But not right now or at WM 22. Maybe 2 or 3 years from now. At least he's less annoying than Cena is ;)

The last match of the night for WM usually isn't supposed to be the best match though. It's just supposed to be the one where the big face wins over all hardships. I think it's the WWE's way of closing off the show in a positive manner....
yeah but there has been years when we had the triple threat with HHH/HBK and Benoit or Angle/Lesnar or HBK/Hart or Austin/HBK or Y2J/HHH i mean there have been some really great main events at Manias in the last 10 years after Hogan left but i think the real problem is the fact that the current face they are using is a pile of crap especially when compared to other big faces that have gotten the big Mania moment.....Benoit holding that belt aloft at WM20 seems soooooo long ago now:(

As for Carlito.im yet to be convinced he is good enough to be IC champ so we shall see and saying he's better than Cena aint much of an endorsment:p ;)

[TheVileOne]

Hey guys, here's a great article from the Wrestling Observer about what TNA should do when they get on Spike TV:

Points of Impact

By Todd Martin at WrestlingObserver

For over three years, TNA has been attempting to break into the radar of the
average wrestling fan. With a time slot on Spike TV in the fall, the stakes
are extremely high. If the promotion can draw strong ratings and boost PPV
buy rates, TNA could finally approach its long term goals. However, if the
new show is a failure, Panda is likely to pull the plug on the whole
venture. It is imperative for the good of the wrestling business that this
show succeeds. Here are some simple keys for the show.

1. Now is the Time

TNA cannot approach this show as just another opportunity. This is the best
chance TNA is going to get, and it has to take advantage. While the
promotion shouldn’t sacrifice the importance of PPVs, the shows on Spike
have to be a big deal. TNA has produced a high quality product for much of
the year, and now it needs to get people’s attention. They need to draw high
enough ratings from the beginning that Spike is forced to open its eyes. TNA
can then parlay that success and Spike hostility towards WWE to net the time
slot and financial deal that will finally give TNA legitimate stability. In
order to do that, TNA should be planning out the first month of shows minute
by minute, right now.

2. Tune in Next Week

Every week TNA needs to have a strong reason to get viewers to tune in the
next week. TNA tried to do this early in its weekly PPV format by using
surprises. That can help, and TNA should use surprises frequently early on
to build interest. However, the promotion also needs to promote compelling
future matchups every week. It should be like the early days of Raw, where
the end of the show features a package about the next week’s main event. WWE
has turned its back on long term booking, and TNA can capitalize on all the
benefits that long term booking offers.

3. We’re All in This Together

At this point in time, it is very important that TNA performers view
themselves as part of a team. Selfish individuals more concerned with
getting themselves over for a future WWE gig need to be pushed to the side.
The wrestlers need to sacrifice and work as hard as possible to ensure the
team does well. If collectively the promotion can put itself in a better
position, then all the individual wrestlers can be better taken care of.
This is not a time for egos.

4. Credibility is King

There are a lot of wrestling fans disillusioned with the product WWE has put
forth in recent years. One of the biggest problems is that WWE doesn’t show
respect for its audience. TNA needs to go to great measures to at no point
and in no way insult its audience. This was a problem for TNA in its early
days, but it has been largely corrected. That has to continue. Storylines
need to make complete sense, wrestlers’ motivation needs to be clear, and
match results have to matter. Sizzle can be offered without compromising the
steak.

5. Fanaticism is a Good Thing

In the recent wrestling business, few promotions have succeeded without
developing a strongly devoted legion of fans. This was true for UWF, NJPW,
AJPW, WWF, ECW and WCW (although some of those fans identified themselves
with NWO rather than WCW). TNA hasn’t been able to get that type of a
following, outside of a small collection of fans in the southeast. TNA needs
to develop that base, and use that passion to spread amongst the larger
audience. TNA presently doesn’t have the negative connotation it did at one
time. The next step is to create an audience not of wrestling fans that like
TNA, but of TNA fans. TNA needs an affirmative identity, not a responsive
one.

6. The Promotion of the Transcendent Star

Any wrestling promotion needs a bankable main eventer or main eventers in
order to succeed. TNA isn’t going to sign away WWE’s top stars, so it is
crucial that it create its own. The fans need to perceive those stars as
being the best in the world. While there is a temptation to try to give time
and emphasis to everyone on the card, it makes better business sense to
focus on a few. It’s also best these wrestlers not have the taint of being
an undercard wrestler in WWE. Christopher Daniels, Monty Brown, A.J. Styles,
and Samoa Joe fit this bill. Regardless of who TNA chooses, they should be
emphasizing the wrestler or wrestlers from the beginning of the show to the
end. In the middle of the first match, Mike Tenay should be telling the fans
that they need to stick around in order to see A.J. Styles, because there is
no one else like him in the world. More of an ensemble cast might work down
the road, but right now there should be a chosen few.

7. The In-Ring Product

An easy way to add extra excitement to the show is to let loose in the ring.
WWE style is so static that it is easy for a more free wielding style to
impress. The in-ring matches have made TNA 3 hour PPVs a big success. Now
TNA needs to add the same emphasis to these one hour shows. The Spike show
needs to be very strong as a stand-alone, featuring at least one “can’t
miss” match a week. The wrestlers should have the green light to do pretty
much whatever they can conceive of and execute.

8. Build Buzz

There is no guarantee Spike is going to promote TNA with any enthusiasm
whatsoever. As such, TNA needs to do everything it can to try to build buzz
on its own. They should lobby Spike for advertisements on Raw in the weeks
prior to Impact’s Spike debut. The right type of national promo played two
times on Raw for four weeks could make a sizeable difference. From there,
TNA should be aggressive in trying to get any mainstream publicity they can.
It might be best to market it TNA as if it is essentially a new promotion
that is going to take WWE’s place on Spike and take the sport to a different
level. The perception of the promotion is often times more important than
the reality. TNA should use every angle it has to get mainstream coverage.

9. You Can’t Build Around Jarrett

If Jeff Jarrett is featured in the main event slot of the first few Impact
shows, the show is doomed for failure. Jarrett is viewed as a midcard
performer by the vast majority of the wrestling public, and he doesn’t have
the charisma to convince the audience otherwise. It’s fine to have Jarrett
around, because he is overall a good performer. But fans will not take
seriously a wrestling alternative built around Jeff Jarrett. The Jarretts
should understand this, and realize that long term they will profit more
from being a valuable performer in a successful promotion than the main
eventer in an independent show in Tennessee.

10. Attack, Attack, Attack

The single most important thing for TNA to do early on is to attack. It
needs to convey that it believes in itself as better than any other
wrestling available on American television today. As such, it needs to go
after the many faults of WWE. Even the fans of WWE likely realize these
faults. If TNA boisterously criticizes WWE in a way that feels legitimate
and not petty, fans will rally behind TNA. TNA should draw up a list of ten
things that it will unquestionably do better than WWE, and beat those points
home on the television show.

The ideal opening segment for the first TV show would be to have the Dudleyz
cut a vicious anti-WWE promo reminiscent of their heated promos at the end
of ECW. They have the credibility to get casual fans to listen. If they
won’t agree, I would try to get someone else to do it, making all the points
about what’s wrong with WWE that fans know. Christopher Daniels could do an
excellent job as well, and tie it to his own career. Hopefully
advertisements on Raw will draw in casual fans to watch TNA after UFC. The
beginning of the Impact show should completely blow them away, and provide a
strong opening shot against WWE’s vision of pro wrestling in 2005. TNA then
needs to establish an affirmative identity of its own, that stands in strong
contrast to the flawed alternative.

We have wrestling matches with more than five moves. The results of our
matches matter. We settle things in the ring, not behind the scenes. We have
Traci Brooks, while they have an endless parade of talentless bimbos. We
have Chris Sabin and Petey Williams, while they have Viscera and Gene
Snitsky. We have AJ Styles and Christopher Daniels, while they have JBL and
HHH. They think you’re the biggest idiots on the face of the Earth, while we
treat you with respect. If TNA is successful in getting across these points,
it can get WWE to work for TNA. When those same fans go back to watching Raw
and Smackdown and are confronted with the same problems that already bug
them, they will think of TNA and look forward to a better product on
Saturday.

These points also need to be emphasized in the commentary. Mike Tenay has
credibility, and can get away with strongly backing TNA and criticizing WWE.
If he is uncomfortable with the role, they might want to consider bringing a
third person into the booth to do it, with Don Callis coming to mind if
available. Channeling hostility can be a powerful tool in rallying people to
your cause.

There is no one right way to promote Impact on Spike TV. There are a number
of possibilities that could work, and the key may be finding the one
creative angle that really grabs people’s attention. But regardless of the
specific path TNA takes, it needs to develop a compelling marketing strategy
for Impact. The moment is coming when TNA will sink or swim. It’s time to go
all out.

[John Constantine]

Honestly, the way I see them playing Carlito is similar to Honky Tonk Man as the IC champion. This is a guy who appears like he's going to lose the IC title every match he's in, but some way, he manages to squeak off a victory. It's not a bad way to play the heel, much better than Triple H dominating opponents at every turn that's for sure :)

[Sabretooth]

I'm glad Jarrett won't be the new HHH.And it looks like TNA is gonna kick some ass come this fall :up:

[Hunter Rider]

Honestly, the way I see them playing Carlito is similar to Honky Tonk Man as the IC champion. This is a guy who appears like he's going to lose the IC title every match he's in, but some way, he manages to squeak off a victory. It's not a bad way to play the heel, much better than Triple H dominating opponents at every turn that's for sure :)

I hated Honky Tonk man:mad: lol;) seriosuly i just grow wearyof second rate wrestlers currently getting all the breaks in wwe

Great article Vile:up:
i hope it works out for them,the only stumbling block i see is Jarrett:(
i hope they start showing it on one of my 6 million cable channels...enough with the ****ing cooking channels damnit:mad:

[Lobo]

whats wrong with cooking channels :mad: ;)

[TheVileOne]

I hated Honky Tonk man:mad: lol;) seriosuly i just grow wearyof second rate wrestlers currently getting all the breaks in wwe

Great article Vile:up:
i hope it works out for them,the only stumbling block i see is Jarrett:(
i hope they start showing it on one of my 6 million cable channels...enough with the ****ing cooking channels damnit:mad:
Yes, definitely. Jarrett has to be willing to step aside in the main event if TNA is ever going to truly grow and develop. Jarrett is definitely no Ric Flair or even a HHH level competitor. He was world champion in WCW during one of their worst periods.

[Hunter Rider]

Yes, definitely. Jarrett has to be willing to step aside in the main event if TNA is ever going to truly grow and develop. Jarrett is definitely no Ric Flair or even a HHH level competitor. He was world champion in WCW during one of their worst periods.

As that article stated,he is seen as a second rate guy,a guy WWE never pushed above mid card (although he was better than that IMO) and as you say a champ in WCW's farce period
It seems obvious to me to build the promotion around styles but who is their strongeest heel right now ?

[Twitch]

As that article stated,he is seen as a second rate guy,a guy WWE never pushed above mid card (although he was better than that IMO) and as you say a champ in WCW's farce period
It seems obvious to me to build the promotion around styles but who is their strongeest heel right now ?

In terms of wrestling, Daniels
In terms of Gimmick,Abyss

Hey Vile is Raven face or heel?

[TheVileOne]

With Raven's weird. Right before he won the world title he was a heel, but since he won it, he's been booked as a face, but he still exhibits the same sort of heelish/tweener behavior. I'll just say face for Raven.

And yes, I'd say Abyss is their strongest heel. 2nd would be X division champ Daniels who is an awesome heel.

[John Constantine]

As that article stated,he is seen as a second rate guy,a guy WWE never pushed above mid card (although he was better than that IMO) and as you say a champ in WCW's farce period
It seems obvious to me to build the promotion around styles but who is their strongeest heel right now ?

Actually, I've heard people say that he could've been a main event star in the WWF. Hell, Russo at one point wanted a Jarrett/Austin feud to take place. But Austin didn't want to wrestle Jarrett and complained to JR about it. That was one of the reasons why he and Russo bolted for WCW as fast as they could. His reign as champion in WCW was a bit marred due to damage done to the title by the likes of Hulk HOgan and Kevin Nash and giving the title to guys like David Arquette.

Granted, I could see Jarrett as the main event champion, just as long as he doesn't hog the spotlight like he did during the early TNA days. I honestly wouldn't be surprised to see him hold the championship belt by the time TNA goes on SPike TV just because he (and Raven to an extent) are the biggest names that the casual wrestling fan might see in TNA.

As for other heels that TNA could have....Abyss is one, so is Daniels. But I also like Sonny Siaki a bit. He's basically being wasted right now as part of a face tag team. I wouldn't mind seeing him go back to being a heel.....

[Hunter Rider]

Actually, I've heard people say that he could've been a main event star in the WWF. Hell, Russo at one point wanted a Jarrett/Austin feud to take place. But Austin didn't want to wrestle Jarrett and complained to JR about it. That was one of the reasons why he and Russo bolted for WCW as fast as they could. His reign as champion in WCW was a bit marred due to damage done to the title by the likes of Hulk HOgan and Kevin Nash and giving the title to guys like David Arquette.

Granted, I could see Jarrett as the main event champion, just as long as he doesn't hog the spotlight like he did during the early TNA days. I honestly wouldn't be surprised to see him hold the championship belt by the time TNA goes on SPike TV just because he (and Raven to an extent) are the biggest names that the casual wrestling fan might see in TNA.

As for other heels that TNA could have....Abyss is one, so is Daniels. But I also like Sonny Siaki a bit. He's basically being wasted right now as part of a face tag team. I wouldn't mind seeing him go back to being a heel.....

Interesting,i always felt Jarrett was better than he was allowed to be and i think im right in saying that not only did Austin forced Jarrett outve the title picture and constantly punk him out with quick stunners with Jarret getting Zero offence but im sure JR also had a long standing grudge against Jeff's father

The key is to have him as 1 of the main event pool not the dominant guy IMO
I also think Y2J might be in TNA by the time they get onto Spike as i reckong Summerslam will be his last WWE match

[The Techno Bat]

I think that TNA should throw Monty Brown and Sonny Siaki together as a Heel Tag Team and have them go for the tag team titles. Both men are great to watch, Sonny being more athletic and great on the microphone, like you said John he is being underused right now.

[John Constantine]

Interesting,i always felt Jarrett was better than he was allowed to be and i think im right in saying that not only did Austin forced Jarrett outve the title picture and constantly punk him out with quick stunners with Jarret getting Zero offence but im sure JR also had a long standing grudge against Jeff's father

The key is to have him as 1 of the main event pool not the dominant guy IMO
I also think Y2J might be in TNA by the time they get onto Spike as i reckong Summerslam will be his last WWE match

Yeah, most definitely. It was Austin and JR that humiliated Jarrett to the point where he was glad to leave the WWF. Which was a bit hypocritical of Austin to do because that's exactly what Hogan did to Austin when he was in WCW. I guess he forgot about all of the **** that happened to him when he became big.....

Yeah, I hope Jarrett doesn't become the main focus. I could see him starting out as the champion when they go on SPike TV though, then have him feud with a Styles, Monty Brown or Raven and have one of those three win the title. That way, there's the recognizability factor because the casual wrestling fan might see Jarrett and remember him from WWF and WCW, and it also helps to create awareness of an up-and-coming main eventer like AJ or the Alpha Male for fans to get behind......

[John Constantine]

I think that TNA should throw Monty Brown and Sonny Siaki together as a Heel Tag Team and have them go for the tag team titles. Both men are great to watch, Sonny being more athletic and great on the microphone, like you said John he is being underused right now.

I'd rather see both of them be in the main event to be honest. Brown as a face (which he should've been from the start) and Siaki as the cocky heel similar to the Rock. The fact that Siaki is nothing more than a jobber now stuck with a lame-ass tag team partner is pretty sad......

[TheVileOne]

What they need to do is push Monty Brown as a legitimate heel threat to the world to the world title. You can create a lot of main event match-ups out of that.

[Hunter Rider]

Yeah, most definitely. It was Austin and JR that humiliated Jarrett to the point where he was glad to leave the WWF. Which was a bit hypocritical of Austin to do because that's exactly what Hogan did to Austin when he was in WCW. I guess he forgot about all of the **** that happened to him when he became big.....

Yeah, I hope Jarrett doesn't become the main focus. I could see him starting out as the champion when they go on SPike TV though, then have him feud with a Styles, Monty Brown or Raven and have one of those three win the title. That way, there's the recognizability factor because the casual wrestling fan might see Jarrett and remember him from WWF and WCW, and it also helps to create awareness of an up-and-coming main eventer like AJ or the Alpha Male for fans to get behind......

Yeah in all of Austins 3:16 hysteria i can't remember him putting one guy over and what couldve been a good feud was instead replaced by yet more matches with the Undetaker if i recall

I could see them starting off with Jarrett but from what ive seen Styles will be the draw,i think they need to showcase him ,Is Samoa Joe a heel in TNA ? cos that could be a rivalry to build on,
Also how good is Monty Brown ? and how big is siaki ?

[John Constantine]

Yeah in all of Austins 3:16 hysteria i can't remember him putting one guy over and what couldve been a good feud was instead replaced by yet more matches with the Undetaker if i recall

I could see them starting off with Jarrett but from what ive seen Styles will be the draw,i think they need to showcase him ,Is Samoa Joe a heel in TNA ? cos that could be a rivalry to build on,
Also how good is Monty Brown ? and how big is siaki ?

hmm....let's see. He humiliated Kane after they built him up as a monster heel, he feuded with Mick Foley, but wouldn't job to him. He wouldn't even lose the title to the Rock - The Rock was forced to win it in a tournament at Survivor Series.....yeah, I don't think he put anybody over.

Yeah, they'll showcase Styles...but as a contender for the world title. Or maybe even Monty Brown as a face. That way, they could still leave AJ in the X-division. And yeah, Samoa Joe is supposed to be a heel, but he's seen as more of an X-division bully right now. And I think he's more suited to the X-division.

Monty Brown is an okay wrester, but he's great on the mic. He's more of a sports entertainment wrestler to be honest. Siaki is nothing more than a jobber at the moment. But I think if he turned heel, he could be a Rock-type wrestler.

Another face wrestler who could be in the main event soon is Lancy Hoyt. He's got a HUGE following in TNA plus those Hoytmania shirts could be a good "**** you" to the WWE ;) :D

[Twitch]

You Know Now that I think about it, I really want Kane in TNA :o:up:

[The Techno Bat]

I'd rather see both of them be in the main event to be honest. Brown as a face (which he should've been from the start) and Siaki as the cocky heel similar to the Rock. The fact that Siaki is nothing more than a jobber now stuck with a lame-ass tag team partner is pretty sad......

Both have Main Event potential, especially with Siaki (Isn't he The Rock's cousin?) He is amazing to watch in the ring. And I think by teaming he and Monty Brown up it could reinvent them and start them over again as mid card guys who work there way back to the top right in time for the debut of the new show on SPIKE TV in the fall.

I Agree with you 110% about Siaki!

[John Constantine]

I don't know about him being related to the Rock, but he's from Samoa. I see a lot of comparisons with him and the Rock though.....

Another guy who could be a face contender in TNA is the Truth. He was like the second heavyweight champion TNA ever had, and he held the belt for a good few months. Plus, if he's pushed to singles status, they can finally end that damn 3LK-BG James angle he's currently stuck in.

[The Techno Bat]

Bring back Vampiro!

[The Techno Bat]

Right I am soooooooo tired of Konnan, BG James & Ron Killings as a trio, they need to split them up and Ron Killings can be given the chance to really shine again.

Konnan & BG James are still spitting out crap from the 1990's there catch phrases are so old and lame

[John Constantine]

Yep. Killings is extremely wasted as part of 3LK at the moment. They should just have BG join up with Kip to reunite the New Age Outlaws, then move the Truth back to championship status :up:

[The Techno Bat]

That's what we all want anyway for The New Age Outlaws to reunite...that would be sweet!

[John Constantine]

Yep. And they're taking their sweet-ass time getting to that point :mad:

But imagine if they could get the Dudleys signed by the fall as well. That would mean TNA has the Dudleys, NAO, AMW, and the Naturals all competing with each other :eek:

[The Techno Bat]

A Tag Team Division that any wrestling fan would drool over. I can't wait. The WWE has really blown it with there tag team division. I think they need to dump one of the tag team title belts and just have one tag team champion that can bounce from show to show (Raw to Smackdown)

[John Constantine]

Or maybe just chowcase the tag team division. Look at Raw. When was the last time the tag team champions on that show actually wrestled on Raw? Hell, when was the last time they actually made an appearance together?

And on SD, the current tag team champions got their asses beaten by a pot-bellied has-been and a wrestler that should've been released during the Purge. Honestly, Vince doesn't care about the tag-team division. The only time the division was good the past decade was when they had the Dudleys, E/C, and the Hardys wrestling each other week after week.

[3dman27]

could someone explain a bit of wrestling jargon to me please i've heard the term kayfabe used recently what does it mean?

[Hunter Rider]

could someone explain a bit of wrestling jargon to me please i've heard the term kayfabe used recently what does it mean?

Kayfabe is when a wrestler does an interview in character as opposed to shoot which is where he talks as himself and doesnt pretend wrestling is real

[3dman27]

thanks hunter i take it the words pronouced ""ka-faaab ay?

[Hunter Rider]

thanks hunter i take it the words pronouced ""ka-faaab ay?
I'm not sure ive never heard anyone say it ive just read about it,

[3dman27]

Ok Thanks

[White_Howling]

what did they do with trish? did they fire her? i haven't seen her for a long time

[3dman27]

she had a back injury in january she's been on medical leave since then

[The Techno Bat]

Or maybe just chowcase the tag team division. Look at Raw. When was the last time the tag team champions on that show actually wrestled on Raw? Hell, when was the last time they actually made an appearance together?

And on SD, the current tag team champions got their asses beaten by a pot-bellied has-been and a wrestler that should've been released during the Purge. Honestly, Vince doesn't care about the tag-team division. The only time the division was good the past decade was when they had the Dudleys, E/C, and the Hardys wrestling each other week after week.

Exactly, they need to do something with the tag team division. WCW used to have one of the greatest ones around, and the WWE had a decent one as well, but Vince has allowed it to fall apart. On Raw I can't remember when Rosie & The Hurricane last defended there straps. And MNM lost all credibility when they lost to "Chubby" & that s*ck a$$ Wrestler Hiedenrich. I thought that the WWE was going in the right direction when they had MNM beat Eddie and Rey, but with the WWE they always screw it up somehow...someway :(

Edge & Christian where the best tag team of that era, those TLC matches and straight out tag team matches were always great and it used to p*$$ me off when E & C would have to wrestler either The Rock or SCSA in a handicap match and they would always get there @$$es handed to them, I think that was the begining of the end for the tag team division in the WWE.

The old AWA had some great tag teams. I was just knee high to a grasshopper but I used to watch on ESPN guys like The Construction Crew, Badd Company, The Von Erich, etc...

[GLfan]

The old AWA had some great tag teams. I was just knee high to a grasshopper but I used to watch on ESPN guys like The Construction Crew, Badd Company, The Von Erich, etc...I remember those days...I remember The Midnight Rockers, Playboy Buddy Rose & Doug Sommers. My favorite tagteams were in the NWA cause, they had two tagteam divisions the U.S. And World tagteam titles and plenty of competition in both divisions. I loved the 4Horsemen any duo, New breed, The Koloffs, The Fantastics, The Rock And Roll Express, The Midnight Express, The Sheephearders, The Garvins, the Road Warriors, etc.

[Metamorpho1977]

don't forget the Moondogs, they invented Hardcore wrestling. I think they're the first wrestlers I ever saw using trashcans and lids.

[Spider-Nerd]

damnit, christian is just a main event jobber now.:(

[Savage]

Oh god, I just caught an episode of TNA online! WTF have I been missing?! THIS is how wrestling should be! I hate you WWE! I hate you!:(......God I'm late.

[Lobo]

Better late than never.

[TheVileOne]

http://www.betweentheropes.com/stream.php?filename=0727.wma

Hey guys click on the link above to listen to the latest episode of Between The Ropes (popular wrestling radio show in Canada). The hosts of the show pretty accurately sum up my current feelings on WWE and why I watch TNA. They also have one of the current creative bookers/heads of TNA, Scott D'Amore, former manager of Team Canada.

I think one notable thing to point out about the people who are currently booking TNA, is that they have primarily WRESTLING backgrounds. These are guys who grew up in the business or around it. Scott D'Amore former wrestler, a wrestling trainer, and manager. Mike Tenay, who is a wrestling historian. Jeremy Borash who used to work for WCW. These are NOT Hollywood sitcom and soap opera writers. For storylines they've got guys like Bill Banks who wrote for WWE during one of their biggest peaks in 1998.

Scott D'Amore said the best compliment he ever recieved was when people went up to him regarding TNA and said, "Your show doesn't make me ashamed to be a wrestling fan." And you know, if you guys have watched some WWE recently, that has a lot of resonant. The BTR hosts than added, "TNA doesn't insult our intelligence."

So I think it just speaks of how much TNA is doing right at the moment and they can't falter, they need to stay on this hot streak they are currently on for as long as possible. October is most crucial because that's when they debut on Spike TV and have Bound For Glory. Bound For Glory is going to be TNA's biggest PPV of the year, essentially their Wrestlemania, Starrcade, November To Remember. So it better be stacked.

Just FYI again, you can watch the latest online episode of TNA Impact at this link:

http://www.tnawrestling.com/index3.html

[Hunter Rider]

http://www.wrestlezone.com/article.php?articleid=124569090

Source: Wrestling Observer Newsletter

-- Three new writers (that know not a thing about wrestling) have been hired to the WWE creative team recently. One of them, as female brought in from the Nickelodeon channel, asked JBL recently how they made the ?fake blood' continue to look like it was flowing out of his head.

-- Chris Jericho is expected to be gone from the WWE within 6 weeks, with SummerSlam being his last show. Jericho has a multitude of gigs booked for his band, Fozzy, including a ten-day tour of the UK in October.

[Twitch]

http://www.wrestlezone.com/article.php?articleid=124569090

Source: Wrestling Observer Newsletter

-- Three new writers (that know not a thing about wrestling) have been hired to the WWE creative team recently. One of them, as female brought in from the Nickelodeon channel, asked JBL recently how they made the ?fake blood' continue to look like it was flowing out of his head.

-- Chris Jericho is expected to be gone from the WWE within 6 weeks, with SummerSlam being his last show. Jericho has a multitude of gigs booked for his band, Fozzy, including a ten-day tour of the UK in October.

Jericho to TNA :up:

The woman is a stupid ***** :mad: :(

[The Batman]

You've gott abe joking.

JBL should've clotheslined her ass to hell. the WWE just keeps getting lower

[TheVileOne]

http://www.wrestlezone.com/article.php?articleid=124569090

Source: Wrestling Observer Newsletter

-- Three new writers (that know not a thing about wrestling) have been hired to the WWE creative team recently. One of them, as female brought in from the Nickelodeon channel, asked JBL recently how they made the ?fake blood' continue to look like it was flowing out of his head.

-- Chris Jericho is expected to be gone from the WWE within 6 weeks, with SummerSlam being his last show. Jericho has a multitude of gigs booked for his band, Fozzy, including a ten-day tour of the UK in October.

Yes folks, these are the people WWE is hiring to write their shows.

[Twitch]

Wrestlers that should go to TNA:
Kane
Jericho
Christian
Rey Mysterio
Paul London
Shelton
Benoit
Angle
Edge
Matt Hardy

Sorry for the long list :o

[3dman27]

Wrestlers that should go to TNA:
Kane
Jericho
Christian
Rey Mysterio
Paul London
Shelton
Benoit
Angle
Edge
Matt Hardy

Sorry for the long list :odon't be twich
if they'd hire nora[molly holly ]greenwald i'd watch em

[Savage]

http://www.wrestlezone.com/article.php?articleid=124569090

Source: Wrestling Observer Newsletter

-- Three new writers (that know not a thing about wrestling) have been hired to the WWE creative team recently. One of them, as female brought in from the Nickelodeon channel, asked JBL recently how they made the ?fake blood' continue to look like it was flowing out of his head.

LOL!...Oh god.:(

...Why Nickelodeon though? The hell?

[Ultimate_Superman]

I would love to see Edge and Christian together again.

[White_Howling]

I would love to see Edge and Christian together again.

the broood.. i miss the blood bath.!!! and their entrance music was really good

[Ultimate_Superman]

Yes I miss those too. I was mad at Cena for even trying to mess up their names :mad:

[Sabretooth]

I'm gonna miss Y2J :(

[John Constantine]

http://www.wrestlezone.com/article.php?articleid=124569090

Source: Wrestling Observer Newsletter

-- Three new writers (that know not a thing about wrestling) have been hired to the WWE creative team recently. One of them, as female brought in from the Nickelodeon channel, asked JBL recently how they made the ?fake blood' continue to look like it was flowing out of his head.

-- Chris Jericho is expected to be gone from the WWE within 6 weeks, with SummerSlam being his last show. Jericho has a multitude of gigs booked for his band, Fozzy, including a ten-day tour of the UK in October.

Could he jump to TNA right at the moment they get on Spike TV? That would certainly be interesting plus raise the exposure of the company even more.....

[Hunter Rider]

Could he jump to TNA right at the moment they get on Spike TV? That would certainly be interesting plus raise the exposure of the company even more.....

I think that is what he'll do
Imagine what a cool surprise a Y2J appearence at the end of TNA's show without him speaking would do for the hype for the next week's show

[Twitch]

Could he jump to TNA right at the moment they get on Spike TV? That would certainly be interesting plus raise the exposure of the company even more.....

That could set up a really great **** The WWE storyline/gimmick for Jericho :up:

[John Constantine]

I could imagine what they could do with the first show. They could have Jarrett as the champion just for the recognizabilty factor. They could set up the main event as Jarrett vs Styles. The match ends with Styles winning the title and right when the show ends, Jericho shows up and attacks AJ. That would certainly set up a Styles vs Jericho match plus show that AJ is the face the company wants to build around.

[Savage]

Styles vs. Jericho. *drools*

[Sabretooth]

Once TNA gets Jericho,I hope RVD goes to TNA as well.

[John Constantine]

I doubt RVD will go. But really, TNA won't be successful if they sign a whole bunch of WWE cast-offs. They need to develop wrestlers from within as well. STyles is a natural choice. But they also need to bring back guys like Siaki, The Truth, Monty Brown into the main event......

[Hunter Rider]

They better start showing TNA in the UK:mad: the sites streamming vid doesnt work for me:(

[Sabretooth]

I doubt RVD will go. But really, TNA won't be successful if they sign a whole bunch of WWE cast-offs. They need to develop wrestlers from within as well. STyles is a natural choice. But they also need to bring back guys like Siaki, The Truth, Monty Brown into the main event......
Still,bringing in people like Chris Jericho would help with the ratings.And I'd die a happy man if there was a RVD vs. Styles match.

[Sabretooth]

They better start showing TNA in the UK:mad: the sites streamming vid doesnt work for me:(
RealPlayer sucks :down

[Hunter Rider]

I doubt RVD will go. But really, TNA won't be successful if they sign a whole bunch of WWE cast-offs. They need to develop wrestlers from within as well. STyles is a natural choice. But they also need to bring back guys like Siaki, The Truth, Monty Brown into the main event......

Still everyone knows RVD has been screwed by wwe while they promote their garbage wrestlers who came through OVW
What about Fallen Angel Daniels and Samoa Joe and Abyss ?
Ive been doing some reading up and i think these guys could be main event draws as well

[Sabretooth]

Trytan should be built up as a major heel as well :o

[John Constantine]

Still,bringing in people like Chris Jericho would help with the ratings.And I'd die a happy man if there was a RVD vs. Styles match.

Yeah, bringing in Jericho might be good. But TNA is still at it's infancy stage and they can't try and go out there and convince RVD to sign without paying more than the WWE might be willing to give him.

TNA is in the perfect position to one day be a competitor to the WWE. That's if they keep at their pace. I just hope they don't try and act like WCW did.....

[Twitch]

What could be really cool (but might not happen) is that they could create a stable, Jericho,The Dudleys, and Shannon Moore. Call themselves the Ex-WWE.
It would be so cool, Y2J in heavyweight divison,Moore in X division, and Dudleys in the Tag Division. It would be TNA's version of Evolution :up:

[John Constantine]

Still everyone knows RVD has been screwed by wwe while they promote their garbage wrestlers who came through OVW
What about Fallen Angel Daniels and Samoa Joe and Abyss ?
Ive been doing some reading up and i think these guys could be main event draws as well

Fallen Angel could be a good main event heel as well. Abyss as well. But with Samoa Joe, I would rather see him in the X-division for the next little while. They still need to build that up as the perfect complement to the heavyweight division after-all......That's the thing about TNA. It's not just the heavyweight division that draws, it's also the matches in the X-division that get people excited as well.

[John Constantine]

Trytan should be built up as a major heel as well :o

ewww.....no :mad:

TNA has enough heels right now anyways.....

[Sabretooth]

ewww.....no :mad:

TNA has enough heels right now anyways.....
Some shouldn't even be heels.Like Monty Brown.I liked him more as a face.

[John Constantine]

Some shouldn't even be heels.Like Monty Brown.I liked him more as a face.

They still have enough anyways: Abyss, Raven can switch to heel easily, Rhino, Jarrett, Siaki.

Besides, I don't like Trytan. He's the typical WWE-style wrestler anyways.....

[Hunter Rider]

Fallen Angel could be a good main event heel as well. Abyss as well. But with Samoa Joe, I would rather see him in the X-division for the next little while. They still need to build that up as the perfect complement to the heavyweight division after-all......That's the thing about TNA. It's not just the heavyweight division that draws, it's also the matches in the X-division that get people excited as well.

Joe's a big guy though at 290lbs and 6'3 i just figured him moreb as a heavyweight champion type
I think there lying about Abyss's height though he doesn't look 6'10 to me:o
what are these guys like on the mic though ? as that will be a nessicary part of attracting the mainstream

[Hunter Rider]

ewww.....no :mad:

TNA has enough heels right now anyways.....

7'2 ????? can he wrestle ?

[John Constantine]

Joe's a big guy though at 290lbs and 6'3 i just figured him moreb as a heavyweight champion type
I think there lying about Abyss's height though he doesn't look 6'10 to me:o
what are these guys like on the mic though ? as that will be a nessicary part of attracting the mainstream

With the way Samoa Joe wrestles though, he needs a smaller wrestler to sell his moves. That's why he's more suited to the X-division. He could be played off as the bully in that division, constantly throwing around wrestlers smaller than him.....

The Fallen Angel isn't bad on the mic, neither is Monty Brown. Abyss never talks, but he currently has James Mitchell (The Sinister Minister in ECW) to act as his mouthpiece. AJ Styles though is horrible on the mic. He sounds like a redneck Nascar driver. That's the one stumbling point for him......

[Hunter Rider]

With the way Samoa Joe wrestles though, he needs a smaller wrestler to sell his moves. That's why he's more suited to the X-division. He could be played off as the bully in that division, constantly throwing around wrestlers smaller than him.....

The Fallen Angel isn't bad on the mic, neither is Monty Brown. Abyss never talks, but he currently has James Mitchell (The Sinister Minister in ECW) to act as his mouthpiece. AJ Styles though is horrible on the mic. He sounds like a redneck Nascar driver. That's the one stumbling point for him......

AJ Styles though is horrible on the mic. He sounds like a redneck Nascar driver:eek: :( will that matter ? whats Joe like on the mic ?

[John Constantine]

7'2 ????? can he wrestle ?

Think of other wrestlers his size. Can they wrestle as well? ;)

[Twitch]

AJ Styles though is horrible on the mic. He sounds like a redneck Nascar driver:eek: :( will that matter ? whats Joe like on the mic ?

I don't think Joe spoke at all yet :confused:

[Hunter Rider]

Think of other wrestlers his size. Can they wrestle as well? ;)

:( :D touche'

[Sabretooth]

Think of other wrestlers his size. Can they wrestle as well? ;)
Only one his size is Big Show.:(

Damn :(

On another note: Is there something else I can use to see the online shows for TNA?The one they have pretty much sucks

[John Constantine]

AJ Styles though is horrible on the mic. He sounds like a redneck Nascar driver:eek: :( will that matter ? whats Joe like on the mic ?

Not really because they try and limit his mic time. There's not really much backstage stuff on TNA Impact. It's a lot more about wrestling.

And as far as Samoa Joe....he hasn't spoken yet. They're making him the guy who just lets his wrestling do the talking.

[Hunter Rider]

Not really because they try and limit his mic time. There's not really much backstage stuff on TNA Impact. It's a lot more about wrestling.

And as far as Samoa Joe....he hasn't spoken yet. They're making him the guy who just lets his wrestling do the talking.

I see,i was looking at his bio and he looks a bit flabby ,i think that was the reason WWE didn't pick him up after Foley recomended him,he didn't meet the wwe requirement of million dollar body 10 cent ability:o

[John Constantine]

I see,i was looking at his bio and he looks a bit flabby ,i think that was the reason WWE didn't pick him up after Foley recomended him,he didn't meet the wwe requirement of million dollar body 10 cent ability:o

Well he is Samoan ;)

But that's the thing about him. He looks pretty fat, but he moves pretty fast for a guy his size.

Not to mention TNA is a better choice for him because he'd be as useless as MIke Awesome was fighting in the WWE. I honestly don't think he could put on as good of a match if he had to fight the larger wrestlers WWE had....

That and the WWE would probably make him a Headshrinker :o :(

[Hunter Rider]

Source: PWTorch.com

-- In two updates from my post earlier today, it appears that Stephanie McMahon loved this week's RAW because of its high entertainment quota.

Many backstage think that the most recent WWE writers being hired is a mistake, with Court Bauer being the last ?wrestling brain' to be hired ? and he's writing Velocity. It is thought that Stephanie is trying to take WWE as far away as possible from the original roots of the company.

-- To clarify from the report earlier about Chris Jericho's future, some sources close to the man himself think it's a given that he'll leave when the contact expires. It is correct that Jericho still hasn't signed his new deal, which is extremely strange for talent not to do that a way ahead of its expiration.

Some find it strange that WWE would give Jericho this big of a push if he's not re-signing, especially given the state TNA now find themselves in, with pockets deep enough to sign Jericho AND give him the freedom to tour with Fozzy around it. Odds are at this point Jericho is giving WWE the firm impression re-signing is just a formality. Of course, if this was WCW, Jericho would be winning the World title at SummerSlam.



:mad: :( :down

[Sabretooth]

I see,i was looking at his bio and he looks a bit flabby ,i think that was the reason WWE didn't pick him up after Foley recomended him,he didn't meet the wwe requirement of million dollar body 10 cent ability:o
Yeah,and they didn't want CM Punk because he's ''too thin'' and yet he's debuting on Heat this Sunday ;)

[John Constantine]

Yeah,and they didn't want CM Punk because he's ''too thin'' and yet he's debuting on Heat this Sunday ;)

That's because CM Punk's gimmick fits the more Sports Entertainment quota that the WWE loves.

That and I read that TNA kinda soured on CM Punk after his first stint with TNA.....:o

[Hunter Rider]

Well he is Samoan ;)

But that's the thing about him. He looks pretty fat, but he moves pretty fast for a guy his size.

Not to mention TNA is a better choice for him because he'd be as useless as MIke Awesome was fighting in the WWE. I honestly don't think he could put on as good of a match if he had to fight the larger wrestlers WWE had....

That and the WWE would probably make him a Headshrinker :o :(

lol so true,
I think TNA should look to haveing smaller champs closer to 215lbs as opposed to the average being closer to 240lbs in wwe

:eek: I havent mentioned it today...Cena sucks......there thats better:o :D

[John Constantine]

lol so true,
I think TNA should look to haveing smaller champs closer to 215lbs as opposed to the average being closer to 240lbs in wwe

:eek: I havent mentioned it today...Cena sucks......there thats better:o :D

Yeah, but then again, there are very few wrestlers in TNA who are that big. But it's not like every wrestler has to be in the main event anyways. Most of the time, the X-division IS the main event ;)

[Hunter Rider]

Source: PWInsider.com

Sources within World Wrestling Entertainment have confirmed that both Spanky and Jamie Noble (James Gibson on the independent scene) will be returning to the company. Noble was actually at WWE Headquarters Wednesday, likely discussing the terms of his return deal.

Both Spanky and Noble have worked with Ring Of Honor this year; some have actually referred to Noble as ROH's MVP of the first six months of 2005.

No terms of the deal or start date were available at press time. It is believed that both will be allowed to fulfill their independent dates before starting with WWE.

-----------------------------------

- Speaking to WWE Byte This about the arrest that led to his WWE release, Marty Jannetty blamed it on his "past catching up with him." Jannetty, who was a heavy-partier, noted that his life of "sex, drugs and rock and roll" recently reemerged.

Jannetty confirmed that he was jailed on a "domestic charge" related to a dispute with his girlfriend. On probation due to a recent DUI arrest (Jannetty explained that he does not view DUI arrests as "evil" since they're just a symptom of too much partying), he was immediately jailed with no bond.

Because he could not get released from jail, he was unable to fulfill his WWE bookings and was released. Jannetty referred to his return to WWE as the greatest moment in his life, so it was unfortunate that his latest run with WWE was so short-lived.

[Sabretooth]

Sigh...if only WWE treated the Cruiserweight divison like TNA treats the X-Division :(

[John Constantine]

Not even the Cruiserweight division. If they could even treat the US/IC title similar to the X-division, I would be happy.....

[Hunter Rider]

Yeah, but then again, there are very few wrestlers in TNA who are that big. But it's not like every wrestler has to be in the main event anyways. Most of the time, the X-division IS the main event ;)

Is the X division like the cruiserweights or more like the IC division in status as the guys seem heavier than cruiserweights

[Hunter Rider]

Not even the Cruiserweight division. If they could even treat the US/IC title similar to the X-division, I would be happy.....

These days they don't even treat the world title division right:(
did you read that article about hoe Stephanie is pleased with the cluster**** that Raw now is ?:mad:

[Sabretooth]

Not even the Cruiserweight division. If they could even treat the US/IC title similar to the X-division, I would be happy.....
Or the tag team division :(

[Sabretooth]

These days they don't even treat the world title division right:(
did you read that article about hoe Stephanie is pleased with the cluster**** that Raw now is ?:mad:
Yeah,Raw has REALLY sucked the last two weeks.But meh,at least no HHH. :o

[John Constantine]

Is the X division like the cruiserweights or more like the IC division in status as the guys seem heavier than cruiserweights

There's not really a set limit to it (IMO). It's just a division where they have the wrestling speak for itself and the wrestlers are allowed to go all-out. It's just a division with great wrestling. And the people that held that title speaks out for itself - AJ STyles, Christopher Daniels, Petey Williams, Jerry Lynn, Low Ki, Chris Sabin, Matt Bentley, Kid Kash......:)

[John Constantine]

These days they don't even treat the world title division right:(
did you read that article about hoe Stephanie is pleased with the cluster**** that Raw now is ?:mad:

That's probably because she was happy with the sports entertainment quotient of the show. That's all that matters to the WWE these days. And frankly, I'm not surprised with the way people seem to be watching **** like the Diva Search...

[Hunter Rider]

There's not really a set limit to it (IMO). It's just a division where they have the wrestling speak for itself and the wrestlers are allowed to go all-out. It's just a division with great wrestling. And the people that held that title speaks out for itself - AJ STyles, Christopher Daniels, Petey Williams, Jerry Lynn, Low Ki, Chris Sabin, Matt Bentley, Kid Kash......:)

a division about wrestling excellence ?:eek: surely you kid ?;)
*sigh* if only WWE still remembered what the second W stood for:(

[Twitch]

I want Kane so godamm much to go to TNA and feund with Abyss, It would so much better then Undertaker. Hell, Kane can bring along Paul Bearer to even the playing field (because Abyss is with Mitchell).

[Hunter Rider]

That's probably because she was happy with the sports entertainment quotient of the show. That's all that matters to the WWE these days. And frankly, I'm not surprised with the way people seem to be watching **** like the Diva Search...

That has shocked me ,i mean its utter crap and yet the audience are eating it up ,havent they heard of the playboy channel:confused:

[John Constantine]

a division about wrestling excellence ?:eek: surely you kid ?;)
*sigh* if only WWE still remembered what the second W stood for:(

Yeah, but these days, they seem to only care about the E.....:(


Oh, I also forgot about Primetime Elix Skipper. That guy is almost as athletic as Shelton Benjamin. The move he does where he walks across the ropes and hurricurana's his opponent is a thing of beauty :up:


Too bad that when he talks he sounds like a little girl.....(

[Sabretooth]

I want Kane so godamm much to go to TNA and feund with Abyss, It would so much better then Undertaker. Hell, Kane can bring along Paul Bearer to even the playing field (because Abyss is with Mitchell).
Yeah,but AByss is pretty much TNA's Kane.They don't need two of them there.

I personally would like to see Matt Morgan go to TNA.

[John Constantine]

That has shocked me ,i mean its utter crap and yet the audience are eating it up ,havent they heard of the playboy channel:confused:

That's because I think the majority of the WWE fans nowadays don't care about the wrestling. I bet you anything if they actually had a 15 minute wrestling match between Kurt Angle and Shelton Benjamin on Raw, the entire crowd will be chanting "Boring!"

[Twitch]

Yeah,but AByss is pretty much TNA's Kane.They don't need two of them there.

I personally would like to see Matt Morgan go to TNA.

But it can still be very good IMO :o:up:

[Hunter Rider]

Yeah, but these days, they seem to only care about the E.....:(


Oh, I also forgot about Primetime Elix Skipper. That guy is almost as athletic as Shelton Benjamin. The move he does where he walks across the ropes and hurricurana's his opponent is a thing of beauty :up:


Too bad that when he talks he sounds like a little girl.....(

lol i remember him from WCW he was a decent performer as i recall

[Sabretooth]

That's because I think the majority of the WWE fans nowadays don't care about the wrestling. I bet you anything if they actually had a 15 minute wrestling match between Kurt Angle and Shelton Benjamin on Raw, the entire crowd will be chanting "Boring!"
Angle vs. Shelton......*drools*

[Hunter Rider]

That's because I think the majority of the WWE fans nowadays don't care about the wrestling. I bet you anything if they actually had a 15 minute wrestling match between Kurt Angle and Shelton Benjamin on Raw, the entire crowd will be chanting "Boring!"

thats the painful truth my friend:(

[John Constantine]

lol i remember him from WCW he was a decent performer as i recall

You should see that video of when he and Daniels fought AMW in a cage match. At one point he actually walked across the top of the cage :eek:

[Hunter Rider]

You should see that video of when he and Daniels fought AMW in a cage match. At one point he actually walked across the top of the cage :eek:

I need to get hold of some TNA DVD's:o :up:

[John Constantine]

thats the painful truth my friend:(

But that's what happened with the Attitude era. They started to emphasize backstage, interviews, and non-wrestling stuff more than wrestling. So now, fans are so used to that stuff.

Think of this, the highest rated segment on Raw was that damn This is Your Life with the ROck and Mick Foley. Not a wrestling segment, but a damn birthday party that went on waaay too long....

[Twitch]

You should see that video of when he and Daniels fought AMW in a cage match. At one point he actually walked across the top of the cage :eek:

What PPV was that?

I might order the DVD :up:

[John Constantine]

I need to get hold of some TNA DVD's:o :up:

Right now, you can only buy those on the website. But I think they're going to start selling them at stores this fall....:o

[John Constantine]

What PPV was that?

I might order the DVD :up:

I think it was Turning Point.....

[Twitch]

I need to get hold of some TNA DVD's:o :up:

From the Video I saw It was great Daniels had AMW hooked up ontop of each other and the head popped up out of the cage and skipper walked on the cage and deliverd a mini kick to the head and everything came crashing down :D:up:

[Twitch]

I think it was Turning Point.....

These are The DVDs I'm going to get

Turning Point
THe rise and Fall Of ECW
Best of Raven
Best Of Jeff Hardy
Best of AJ Styles

I'm pretty much booked :o:up:

[Hunter Rider]

But that's what happened with the Attitude era. They started to emphasize backstage, interviews, and non-wrestling stuff more than wrestling. So now, fans are so used to that stuff.

Think of this, the highest rated segment on Raw was that damn This is Your Life with the ROck and Mick Foley. Not a wrestling segment, but a damn birthday party that went on waaay too long....
ugh yes,i remember that segment was ridiculous
/still dropping ratings should show things need to change and i still believe the wrestling in WWE is at an alltime low right now

[Lobo]

I thought that segment was funny :o The Rock's birthday is May 2nd you son of a ******. I alays mark out for people who can make me laugh. Foley threw him his party in like Nov. or whenever it was.



Right now the WWE is in the toilet and things need to improve. I'd love to see a Michaels/Angle feud.

[The Techno Bat]

I got turned onto TNA about two years ago, before they got there FoX sports deal (that they don't have anymore) my brother and I used to pay 9.99 every wednesday night and watch, and it was so great. Especially when The Insane Clown Posse started making appearences and actually started wrestling, the place went nuts. Jeff Jarrett recieved a few Faygo showers.

Vampiro was great to see he teamed up with The Sinister Minister and the Disciples and tried to take down Raven, but they all failed. Vampiro and Raven wrestled in some great matches one that sticks out was the dog collar match, bloody, but great, Vampiro got choked out. Vampiro was the guy responsible for shaving Raven's head.

[Sabretooth]

I hope Christian doesn't turn face...

[Twitch]

I hope Christian doesn't turn face...

I skipped Smackdown :down

TNA Fridays :up:

[Sabretooth]

I skipped Smackdown :down

TNA Fridays :up:
Yeah,I'd be watching online TNA shows,but that RealPlayer they have doesn't work for me :(

[Super Kal]

does anyone know where I can find uncensored pics of tonight's Smackdown?

[PyroChamber]

If you're talking about the Torrie/Melina match, I think I saw her wearing purple underwear under her skirt. And what was that thing on the blonde chick's face suppose to be?

[Super Kal]

it looked like cereal...

[Savage]

lol.
It looked so fake and yet so disgusting. I just need a knife and one shot.

[Sabretooth]

It sorta looks like a chocolate bar.

[TheVileOne]

I just wanted to answer some questions and clarify some things:

-hunter rider. TNA IS shown in the UK. Its shown on SKY Channel 427, also known as the wrestling channel. TNA actually has a huge fanbase in the UK and Europe. Petey Williams said when he was on a European tour, he met more people that knew him by name than in the US.

-The cage match(es) between XXX (Christopher Daniels and Elix Skipper) and America's Most Wanted (James Storm and Chris Harris) are BOTH on DVD. The first one is on best of NWA-TNA title matches DVD set. You can buy it on TNA's official website or other wrestling websites like highspots.com. However, TNA just entered a HUGE DVD distribution deal with Navarre corp. Navarre Corp supplies and distributes DVD's to big chains such as Best Buy, FYE, Suncoast, Wal-Mart etc. So the TNA DVD's are supposed to be in retail stores in time for Christmas. Wal-Mart is going to offer a deal where you can buy 3 of TNA's monthly PPV's (Victory Road, Turning Point, and Lockdown) on DVD in one set for a low price (like 20-30 dollars I think). Turning Point is the one with the second AMW/XXX cage match, that is indeed the one where Elix Skipper tight-rope walks the top of the cage. The match is absolutely sick :D .

-X Division. Like Mike Tenay says, "its not about weight limits, its about NO LIMITS!" X Division is about innovation and showcasing all sorts of different styles in the ring. It combines luche-libre (Mexican) with puroresu (Japanese). Typically very fast paced, high-flying style mixed with a very technical, mat based wrestling styles. Bigger wrestlers like Samoa Joe and Sonny Siaki who can really move quickly in the ring are perfect for the X Division.

-Samoa Joe. Samoa Joe has yet to speak in TNA, however HE HAS spoken in ROH where he gained prominence originally. And Samoa Joe's promos are great. They have a very dry, humorous style to them. He says things like, "I am Samoa Joe. I am professional wrestling."

FYI, ROH (Ring Of Honor) is a fantastic indy wrestling promotion that's been around for a few years. Guys like AJ Styles and Christopher Daniels were there before TNA started up. Ring Of Honor, they don't have a TV deal all their shows are only on video/DVD markets to a very wrestling savvy crowd. ROH focuses very much on the in-ring product and the matches have 5 strict rules (5 Laws of Honor) that make up Ring Of Honor's Code Of Honor. They are:

1. Shake hands before and after a match.
2. Don't end the match in DQ, we want a pinfall or submission.
3. Do not attack or hit the referee.
4. No outside interference on behalf or against an opponent.
5. No sneak attacks.

The matches are a bit more slower paced. The best way to describe the style is professional wrestling mixed with the "shoot" fighting style of UFC.

[John Constantine]

I've always wanted to watch a current ROH event. I've only watched a few ones, but they were pretty old - AJ Styles vs Paul London for example.

But I've always heard that ROH had even better wrestling than TNA :eek:

[TheVileOne]

It depends on your tastes I suppose. I think both of them are great, but if I went with one or the other, I'd probably go with TNA.

[White_Howling]

so ROH is real wrestling not fake?

[3dman27]

i would think so from what i've read in this thread

[Hunter Rider]

I just wanted to answer some questions and clarify some things:

-hunter rider. TNA IS shown in the UK. Its shown on SKY Channel 427, also known as the wrestling channel. TNA actually has a huge fanbase in the UK and Europe. Petey Williams said when he was on a European tour, he met more people that knew him by name than in the US.

.

Yeah unfortunately my Cable company doesn't carry the wrestling vhannel at the moment:mad: :(


Hogan shows more class:rolleyes:

In the July/August edition of Sly Magazine, Hulk Hogan offered some candid words on fellow wrestlers The Rock and Stone Cold Steve Austin.

On the subject of his movie career, Hogan explained that he's actually more successful than The Rock:

"Compared to the success that Brad Pitt or Arnold Schwarzenegger have had, people probably thought I had a run of B movies that sucked. But those movies were cheap to make and they generated a lot of revenue. If you watch what my movies made against what The Rock's movies are doing now, taking into account changing ticket prices and how many more theaters his movies were shown in, I still generated more revenue than he did."

While Hogan believes a match with Steve Austin could do big business, he's not sure if the two click enough to perform the match. He also had some less-than-flattering words for those under the impression that Austin is a star of his caliber:

"Austin has been in the business about 18 years and he was on top for four. I wrestled main events for 25 years. I could pull my dick out and I might be on top for four years - it's called 'cheap heat.' Somebody who stays on top 25 years has to have more than that. It has to be in your spirit."
http://www.wrestlezone.com/article.php?articleid=124618243

[Hunter Rider]

*sigh* Damn:(


http://www.wrestlezone.com/article.php?articleid=124612134

The following is from WWE.com:

Chris Jericho wants to set the record straight.

With various outside sources reporting that Jericho has yet to sign a contract extension with WWE, the former undisputed champion made sure to contact WWE.com and denounce those reports.

"I signed an extension on Monday in Cleveland at Gund Arena," Jericho said. "I've been working with WWE for six years and I'm not going anywhere."

Jericho, who didn't want to disclose specifics regarding the contract, signed a short-term extension this week and said a longer extension is likely still in the works. Jericho still has big plans for his band Fozzy, but doesn't expect his musical career to interfere with his job as a wrestler.

"Fozzy isn't a factor at all," Jericho said. "Things with the band are going great and WWE has been really positive with Fozzy. We have some great opportunities overseas with the band, but none of that is going to hinder my time with WWE."

"I'm still an employee of WWE," Jericho said. "My contract had expired but I'm back and looking toward the future."

[Twitch]

*sigh* Damn:(


http://www.wrestlezone.com/article.php?articleid=124612134

The following is from WWE.com:

Chris Jericho wants to set the record straight.

With various outside sources reporting that Jericho has yet to sign a contract extension with WWE, the former undisputed champion made sure to contact WWE.com and denounce those reports.

"I signed an extension on Monday in Cleveland at Gund Arena," Jericho said. "I've been working with WWE for six years and I'm not going anywhere."

Jericho, who didn't want to disclose specifics regarding the contract, signed a short-term extension this week and said a longer extension is likely still in the works. Jericho still has big plans for his band Fozzy, but doesn't expect his musical career to interfere with his job as a wrestler.

"Fozzy isn't a factor at all," Jericho said. "Things with the band are going great and WWE has been really positive with Fozzy. We have some great opportunities overseas with the band, but none of that is going to hinder my time with WWE."

"I'm still an employee of WWE," Jericho said. "My contract had expired but I'm back and looking toward the future."

Jericho is really going to regret this :(

[Savage]

Yeah unfortunately my Cable company doesn't carry the wrestling vhannel at the moment:mad: :(


Hogan shows more class:rolleyes:

In the July/August edition of Sly Magazine, Hulk Hogan offered some candid words on fellow wrestlers The Rock and Stone Cold Steve Austin.

On the subject of his movie career, Hogan explained that he's actually more successful than The Rock:

"Compared to the success that Brad Pitt or Arnold Schwarzenegger have had, people probably thought I had a run of B movies that sucked. But those movies were cheap to make and they generated a lot of revenue. If you watch what my movies made against what The Rock's movies are doing now, taking into account changing ticket prices and how many more theaters his movies were shown in, I still generated more revenue than he did."

While Hogan believes a match with Steve Austin could do big business, he's not sure if the two click enough to perform the match. He also had some less-than-flattering words for those under the impression that Austin is a star of his caliber:

"Austin has been in the business about 18 years and he was on top for four. I wrestled main events for 25 years. I could pull my dick out and I might be on top for four years - it's called 'cheap heat.' Somebody who stays on top 25 years has to have more than that. It has to be in your spirit."
http://www.wrestlezone.com/article.php?articleid=124618243
...wow...was he drunk?

[Spider-Nerd]

*sigh* Damn:(


http://www.wrestlezone.com/article.php?articleid=124612134

The following is from WWE.com:

Chris Jericho wants to set the record straight.

With various outside sources reporting that Jericho has yet to sign a contract extension with WWE, the former undisputed champion made sure to contact WWE.com and denounce those reports.

"I signed an extension on Monday in Cleveland at Gund Arena," Jericho said. "I've been working with WWE for six years and I'm not going anywhere."

Jericho, who didn't want to disclose specifics regarding the contract, signed a short-term extension this week and said a longer extension is likely still in the works. Jericho still has big plans for his band Fozzy, but doesn't expect his musical career to interfere with his job as a wrestler.

"Fozzy isn't a factor at all," Jericho said. "Things with the band are going great and WWE has been really positive with Fozzy. We have some great opportunities overseas with the band, but none of that is going to hinder my time with WWE."

"I'm still an employee of WWE," Jericho said. "My contract had expired but I'm back and looking toward the future."


Y2J not going anywhere
July 28, 2005


Chris Jericho wants to set the record straight.

With various outside sources reporting that Jericho has yet to sign a contract extension with WWE, the former undisputed champion made sure to contact WWE.com and denounce those reports.

“I signed an extension on Monday in Cleveland at Gund Arena,” Jericho said. “I’ve been working with WWE for six years and I’m not going anywhere.”

credit: http://www.wwe.com/inside/news/y2jcontract

[Spider-Nerd]

...wow...was he drunk?
hogan's just stroking the enormous ego he's always had. Ask and he'll bash em all, hbk, hart, savage, stinger, flair, henning, hall, nash.

[Sabretooth]

Dammit,I really wanted Jericho to TNA :(

Oh well,he's just gonna get screwed over again and again :o

[Twitch]

Dammit,I really wanted Jericho to TNA :(

Oh well,he's just gonna get screwed over again and again :o

Very True :o

[TheVileOne]

so ROH is real wrestling not fake?

Its still fake, pre-determined. They just try to make it look as realistic and as stiff as possible.

[Donnie Darko]

hogan's just stroking the enormous ego he's always had. Ask and he'll bash em all, hbk, hart, savage, stinger, flair, henning, hall, nash.

thing is, with the exception of maybe Hall and Nash, all those guys can outperform Hogan in the ring on their worst days and his best. Savage was always a better in-ring wrestler than him, and don;t get me started on Hart or HBK.

[Spider-Nerd]

Its still fake, pre-determined. They just try to make it look as realistic and as stiff as possible.
I've been in a ring, I've taken a bump. Wrestling is pre-determined, but it sure as hell is not fake.

[Spider-Nerd]

thing is, with the exception of maybe Hall and Nash, all those guys can outperform Hogan in the ring on their worst days and his best. Savage was always a better in-ring wrestler than him, and don;t get me started on Hart or HBK. Agreed, and when I said Hall I was refering to his WWF and early wcw days. Unfortunately the guy's demons got the best of him and that's a shame cause he could carry guys, big and small to great matches.

[TheVileOne]

I've been in a ring, I've taken a bump. Wrestling is pre-determined, but it sure as hell is not fake.

Sorry if I upset you Spider-Nerd, what I meant to say was...well I mean, the two guys are "working" a match. Its fake that 2 guys that supposedly hate each other don't really hate each other. But yet, the bumps are very real.

[John Constantine]

It depends on your tastes I suppose. I think both of them are great, but if I went with one or the other, I'd probably go with TNA.

I hear there's a lot of hatred for TNA by ROH fans. Like during the ROH shows, there are frequent "**** TNA" chants :D

[TheVileOne]

Its like "liberal tolerance." They are only tolerant of each other :p .

I think some of it stems from the incident last year in which ROH owner Rob Feinstein was caught trying to hook up with a minor teenaged boy online. It publically hurt TNA and in retaliation TNA broke off its talent sharing with ROH (all the TNA wrestlers could NOT appear with ROH anymore). Since then, things have blown over and they've restarted the talent sharing.

[John Constantine]

Could you ever see ROH get a tv deal or PPV deal anytime soon? I think it would be good for the company because it might raise the exposure of them a bit, but I hear some ROH fans totally hate the idea and want ROH to keep only selling dvds of their events....:confused:

[TheVileOne]

Could you ever see ROH get a tv deal or PPV deal anytime soon? I think it would be good for the company because it might raise the exposure of them a bit, but I hear some ROH fans totally hate the idea and want ROH to keep only selling dvds of their events....:confused:

The fact of the matter is that ROH doesn't WANT a TV deal. They've just decided to go for the DVD/video market and have done very well with that. So that's how they make their shows available. As of now they are a niche product and they are fine with it that way. They don't really seem to want to expand the company at the moment.

[John Constantine]

Yeah, I know. I just find that a bit weird....but I guess if they're happy with the way they're doing their business at the moment, then more power to them.....:confused:

And it pretty damn near feels like a niche product, I barely hear stuff about ROH....I bet when Matt Hardy was talking about seeing him on ROH that one week on Raw, 75 percent of the audience went "What in the hell is ROH?"

[LastSunrise1981]

hogan's just stroking the enormous ego he's always had. Ask and he'll bash em all, hbk, hart, savage, stinger, flair, henning, hall, nash.

Has anyone seen his new show? His daughter is very beautiful, but he's such a protective ******* that it's not even funny. :mad:

[TheVileOne]

Has anyone seen his new show? His daughter is very beautiful, but he's such a protective ******* that it's not even funny. :mad:
She's 16...going out with a 22 year old...eh-eh.

Hogan being an ******* doesn't surprise. I've known that for about 8 years.

[3dman27]

The fact of the matter is that ROH doesn't WANT a TV deal. They've just decided to go for the DVD/video market and have done very well with that. So that's how they make their shows available. As of now they are a niche product and they are fine with it that way. They don't really seem to want to expand the company at the moment.
quote lt.columbo"now lemme see if i've got this straight..."
a wrestling promotion that DOESNT WANTa tv contract? i'll admit that keeps out network interfeirrence but meaning no disrespect thevileone, thats kinda hard to believe

[Twitch]

She's 16...going out with a 22 year old...eh-eh.

Hogan being an ******* doesn't surprise. I've known that for about 8 years.

I want see the next episode because its Wrestlemania, and I'm hoping they have locker room footage so I can see what the wrestlers think of Hulk personally :o

[Jason Blood]

Ladies and gentlemen, I believe that Frankie Kazarian will appear on next week's Smackdown

My proof (http://www.wwe.com/superstars/smackdown/frankiekazarian/profile/)

[Jason Blood]

WWE House Show Ad for the 8-27 Raleigh show
There's an ad that's been playing and the only match it's advertising is a "Feature Attraction" match between Randy Orton and Rey Mysterio

[The Techno Bat]

With the WWE moving back to USA does all WWE programing follow suit? Shows like Smackdown, Velocity and Heat?

[The Techno Bat]

Everybody has heard that Jericho has resigned with the WWE for a few more years?

JERICHO SIGNS EXTENSION
- Chris Jericho has signed a contract extension that will keep him
around WWE for a few more years, after his current contract was about to expire right after SummerSlam. Some people in the company feared that Jericho would not be signing the agreement however WWE.COM announced yesterday that Y2J did indeed sign the extension prior to RAW on Monday in
Cleveland.

[TheVileOne]

quote lt.columbo"now lemme see if i've got this straight..."
a wrestling promotion that DOESNT WANTa tv contract? i'll admit that keeps out network interfeirrence but meaning no disrespect thevileone, thats kinda hard to believe

Listen I'm not really saying they won't ever want one or pursue one. I'm just saying they aren't looking for one at the moment. There are no plans to do so. They are making good money doing tours in the Northeast area and their DVD's and they are happy with it that way. They have a very passionate and loyal fanbase. They enjoy being a niche product.

There's one other thing too. ROH might not be pursuing it because the owner and founder, Rob Feinstein, being found trying to get involved with a male minor after they met online. This all happened last year and it hurt ROH and TNA big time. You know think, "ROH is owned by a pedophile." And "TNA works with a wrestling federation owned by a pedophile."

[John Constantine]

Ladies and gentlemen, I believe that Frankie Kazarian will appear on next week's Smackdown

My proof (http://www.wwe.com/superstars/smackdown/frankiekazarian/profile/)

It looks like they're still using the moniker he had in TNA as well, "The Future". I hope he does have a feud with Paul London eventually....

Speaking of which, is London still injured after getting that knee in the face by Juventud? I haven't seen him much lately. :confused:

[John Constantine]

With the WWE moving back to USA does all WWE programing follow suit? Shows like Smackdown, Velocity and Heat?

Velocity and Heat move with Raw because both are on Spike TV. Smackdown is an entirely different deal because they're on UPN. That's probably why the WWE is anticipating that the show is going to end by Fall 2006 unless they find another network...

[Twitch]

Raven is teaming with Sabu at Sacfice against Jarret and Rhino

[3dman27]

Listen I'm not really saying they won't ever want one or pursue one. I'm just saying they aren't looking for one at the moment. There are no plans to do so. They are making good money doing tours in the Northeast area and their DVD's and they are happy with it that way. They have a very passionate and loyal fanbase. They enjoy being a niche product.

There's one other thing too. ROH might not be pursuing it because the owner and founder, Rob Feinstein, being found trying to get involved with a male minor after they met online. This all happened last year and it hurt ROH and TNA big time. You know think, "ROH is owned by a pedophile." And "TNA works with a wrestling federation owned by a pedophile."i taped last nights impact and saw it this morning i was surprised its a first run episode i thought it was out of production no i KNOW i'll give it a shot once it reaches spiketv

[TheVileOne]

Its not out of production, they've just been showing it online at their website after they left FSN and before they go to Spike TV.

I guess this means you live in one of the few areas that has TNA Impact syndicated on television? :)

[Hunter Rider]

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/2848/0728sd233ii.jpg

UGH what the hell is this crap about ? who's the chick the pizza stuck to her mush ?:mad:
It's like WWE are trying to make everyone turn off:eek:

[Sabretooth]

Damn this sucks,I heard that WWE won't show CM Punk appearance on heat :(

[TheVileOne]

That's not good news for Punk. Its the ****ing WWE "main event" style, its just counter-productive for a lot of great wrestlers.

[3dman27]

Its not out of production, they've just been showing it online at their website after they left FSN and before they go to Spike TV.

I guess this means you live in one of the few areas that has TNA Impact syndicated on television? :)
yes i live intitusville fla the orlando veiwing area of bright house cable

[TheVileOne]

So what channel is it on there? The Sun Network?

[3dman27]

yes indeed

[Jason Blood]

Velocity was AWESOME

Kazarian even used his Wave of the Future :D

[John Constantine]

Honestly, the cruiserweight division for WWE does sound promising. They have Paul London, Frankie Kazarian, Juventud, Psychosis, Super Crazy, Rey Mysterio (he can always go back to that division anytime IMO), and they're bringing back Jamie Noble and Spanky.

If they actually treated the CW right, they could actually have a kickass line-up :up:

[Sabretooth]

Yeah,but I heard WWE are gonna put Mexicools in the tag team division,which means they're about to get wasted :(

[John Constantine]

Not really, because that MIGHT mean the WWE is serious when they said they wanted to rebuild the tag-team scene from the ground-up again. I wouldn't mind seeing singles matches with the Mexicools occasionally though.....

[Hunter Rider]

Honestly, the cruiserweight division for WWE does sound promising. They have Paul London, Frankie Kazarian, Juventud, Psychosis, Super Crazy, Rey Mysterio (he can always go back to that division anytime IMO), and they're bringing back Jamie Noble and Spanky.

If they actually treated the CW right, they could actually have a kickass line-up :up:

agreed if they use them correctly
I finaly saw the Cena/Carlito match from Raw and while he still needs marches i have to admit carlito looked better,even pulled a couple of slick moves off and lets face it he was carrying lead weight around the ring,Cena barely looks good enough for tough enough,he is clumsy with bad timing and no high spots

[John Constantine]

agreed if they use them correctly
I finaly saw the Cena/Carlito match from Raw and while he still needs marches i have to admit carlito looked better,even pulled a couple of slick moves off and lets face it he was carrying lead weight around the ring,Cena barely looks good enough for tough enough,he is clumsy with bad timing and no high spots

Yeah, I was surprised with the way Carlito wrestled last week. It was the actualy first time he was allowed to use offence and he actually did a good job. I think the only reason why he was made to look horrible was because they really want to play him off as a huge coward.

I can kinda see why the WWE thinks so highly of him though....

[Hunter Rider]

Yeah, I was surprised with the way Carlito wrestled last week. It was the actualy first time he was allowed to use offence and he actually did a good job. I think the only reason why he was made to look horrible was because they really want to play him off as a huge coward.

I can kinda see why the WWE thinks so highly of him though....

I hope wwe allows him to do the same with his next match with Shelton(most likely at Summerslam) maybe together they can lift the IC title back into meaning something
Cena though is absolute crap there'll never be another main event worth a crap as long as he's champ,i declare him the worst champ since Sid:o

[John Constantine]

Nah, he's not as bad as Sid. Diesel, maybe. Because I see a lot of comparisons with Diesels reign and Cena's....:o

[Hunter Rider]

Nah, he's not as bad as Sid. Diesel, maybe. Because I see a lot of comparisons with Diesels reign and Cena's....:o

christ i hope it doesnt last as long as diesels reign and to be honest he is worse than diesel IMO at least nash had timing

[John Constantine]

Yeah, but it was over a year-long. :eek:

I doubt Cena's reign will last that long. After-all, they have to start on his road to wrestlemania....:o

[Hunter Rider]

I doubt Cena's reign will last that long. After-all, they have to start on his road to wrestlemania....:o

This comment i why i have no interest in Raw anymore:(

[John Constantine]

There are a lot of other variables of why I'm not interested in Raw at all - Gene Snitsky and Chris Masters, the dead tag-team division, Viscera (although him fighting the midget last week was pretty funny).

I really only want to watch Raw these days for Kurt Angle, Carlito, Shawn Michaels, and Shelton Benjamin....

[Twitch]

There are a lot of other variables of why I'm not interested in Raw at all - Gene Snitsky and Chris Masters, the dead tag-team division, Viscera (although him fighting the midget last week was pretty funny).

I really only want to watch Raw these days for Kurt Angle, Carlito, Shawn Michaels, and Shelton Benjamin....

I want to see Shelton vs. Elix Skipper on TNA so bad :(

[Hunter Rider]

There are a lot of other variables of why I'm not interested in Raw at all - Gene Snitsky and Chris Masters, the dead tag-team division, Viscera (although him fighting the midget last week was pretty funny).

I really only want to watch Raw these days for Kurt Angle, Carlito, Shawn Michaels, and Shelton Benjamin....

agreed but it frustrating and pointless when the ones you mention (except carlito) get treat like crap whilst a talentless hack hogs the main event

[John Constantine]

Hey, blame it on the fans who cheered for Cena like mad a year ago and still continue to at some point. The WWE saw that he was getting huge pops and decided to put him in the main event because they saw a potential next Hulk Hogan there.....

[Twitch]

agreed but it frustrating and pointless when the ones you mention (except carlito) get treat like crap whilst a talentless hack hogs the main event

Cena might become the HHH version of a face :(

[John Constantine]

Cena might become the HHH version of a face :(

Not really. The two are entirely different.......Triple H slept his way to the championship title and uses his backstage stroke to stay in power. Cena is just a character the WWE sees as being extremely marketable....

[Twitch]

Not really. The two are entirely different.......Triple H slept his way to the championship title and uses his backstage stroke to stay in power. Cena is just a character the WWE sees as being extremely marketable....

I'm not blaming Cena as a person, but as in terms of hogging the Main Event.

[John Constantine]

But him hogging the main event is an entirely different thing than Triple H hogging it though. If anything, compare Cena's reign to Hulk Hogan's reign. Which is something the WWE is seriously trying to do....

[Twitch]

But him hogging the main event is an entirely different thing than Triple H hogging it though. If anything, compare Cena's reign to Hulk Hogan's reign. Which is something the WWE is seriously trying to do....

Hoggin the main event but has bad in ring skills but the fans still like him and is extremely marketable :o

[TheVileOne]

At least the guys in TNA that hold their titles are great wrestlers and truly deserve them :) .

[Twitch]

At least the guys in TNA that hold their titles are great wrestlers and truly deserve them :) .

Raven picked Sabu was surprising, I thought he go with Cassidy

[TheVileOne]

Cassidy Reilly is still a jobber. They weren't going to have him in such a high profile match at this point.

Reilly's gimmick now looks more like blind hero worship and obsession rather than forming an alliance with Raven :) .

[Twitch]

Cassidy Reilly is still a jobber. They weren't going to have him in such a high profile match at this point.

Reilly's gimmick now looks more like blind hero worship and obsession rather than forming an alliance with Raven :) .

Reilly's Raven Outfit was so bad IMO :o :down

[John Constantine]

I see it kind of like what CM Punk was doing when he was in TNA. Or what Stevie Richards was doing in ECW. And that could only mean one thing: The return of the Gathering :)

[TheVileOne]

I have a feeling that they are going down a different road this time Constantine. Just color me crazy :) .

[John Constantine]

They might. But there's always going to be a bunch of followers with Raven. It's just part of his gimmick. And that's what makes his gimmick appealing. He has that cult-leader personality :up:

[Hunter Rider]

Not really. The two are entirely different.......Triple H slept his way to the championship title and uses his backstage stroke to stay in power. Cena is just a character the WWE sees as being extremely marketable....

HHH had the belt long before he was with Steph,the other difference is that HHH is actually good where as Cena blows
I agree that it's the fans that pop for him that are to blame but he's never had the kind of overness Hogan,Austin,HBK or Rock had in their primes,
I just think theyve jumped the gun on him and hopefully will realise it before it's to late

[Hunter Rider]

At least the guys in TNA that hold their titles are great wrestlers and truly deserve them :) .

Well I don't know loads about TNA but if Raven hasn't improved since his ECW days im not sure how deserving he is unless by deserving you mean he's taken a lot of beatings over the years as opposed to having amazing talent
Also didn't Jarrett hog the belt for almost 2 years based off the fact he and his daddy own most of the promotion ?

[TheVileOne]

Well I don't know loads about TNA but if Raven hasn't improved since his ECW days im not sure how deserving he is unless by deserving you mean he's taken a lot of beatings over the years as opposed to having amazing talent

Raven has improved I think. And he had great matches consecutive PPV matches at Hard Justice, Slammiversary, and his world title match with Abyss this month.


Also didn't Jarrett hog the belt for almost 2 years based off the fact he and his daddy own most of the promotion ?

He held the belt for a year actually ;) . Yeah he did. But that's changed with TNA's new ownership and their new booking committee. AJ Styles won the title from Jarrett, than Raven won it at Slammiversary. Raven's world title win was long overdue, since that was the point of his whole character when he came into TNA.

[Sabretooth]

HHH had the belt long before he was with Steph,the other difference is that HHH is actually good where as Cena blows
I agree that it's the fans that pop for him that are to blame but he's never had the kind of overness Hogan,Austin,HBK or Rock had in their primes,
I just think theyve jumped the gun on him and hopefully will realise it before it's to late
Actually HHH was dating STeph around the time of his first title reign.May not have gotten in her pants right away,but he still got the belt ;)

[John Constantine]

Well I don't know loads about TNA but if Raven hasn't improved since his ECW days im not sure how deserving he is unless by deserving you mean he's taken a lot of beatings over the years as opposed to having amazing talent
Also didn't Jarrett hog the belt for almost 2 years based off the fact he and his daddy own most of the promotion ?

I think Raven deserves the title only because of the **** he's done in TNA since he arrived. He's bled numerous (and I mean numerous times) for the company. He even shaved his head at one point to further an angle. He should've won the title back in 2002-2003, but it was due to the Jarretts that had Jeff go over him.

And yeah, Double J did hog the title for a long time, and he did for a period of time make every wrestler look horrible in comparison to him. That's probably why he got a lot of Triple J chants. But since Dusty Rhodes left as the booker of the show, TNA has been firing on all cylinders. Even comparing TNA from six months ago to TNA now is a fairly huge difference.....

[TheVileOne]

Actually HHH was dating STeph around the time of his first title reign.May not have gotten in her pants right away,but he still got the belt ;)
HHH won the world title the night after Summerslam 1999. He was still with Chyna then.

However, HHH did NOT become the serious, dominant force in wrestling he is today until he was paired up with Stephanie. Coincidence? I think not.

[John Constantine]

He held the belt for a year actually ;) . Yeah he did. But that's changed with TNA's new ownership and their new booking committee. AJ Styles won the title from Jarrett, than Raven won it at Slammiversary. Raven's world title win was long overdue, since that was the point of his whole character when he came into TNA.

Imagine if Jeff Hardy didn't get suspended though. Raven would've maybe ended up still feuding with him instead of winning the title :eek: :o

[Sabretooth]

I can't understand how Steph can't see that HHH is only married to her for the title.But then again,she thought the past Raw was great.So maybe she doesn't know any better ;)

[Hunter Rider]

Well im not getting into a HHH debate lol as they always end up the same but i think he deserves a lot of credit for what he brings to the table despite his other advantages and at least unlike Hogan and Austin he has put ppl over clean including the last 2 wrestlemanias and Batista 3 consceutive PPV's

Now as for Raven i get where your all coming from,I always liked him in ECW and i thought his feud's with Benoit and DDP in WCW were excellent,Seem's he's a bit of a Mick Foley in the deserving stakes and im glad to hear he's continued to improve Vileone:up:

Oh and thanks for clearing the Jarrett situation up and glad it's changed

[John Constantine]

I can't understand how Steph can't see that HHH is only married to her for the title.But then again,she thought the past Raw was great.So maybe she doesn't know any better ;)

Why would Stephanie think otherwise? We don't really know much of what goes on with them behind the scenes anyways. We just really know that the two are getting more and more power backstage and that's about it.....

[John Constantine]

Well im not getting into a HHH debate lol as they always end up the same but i think he deserves a lot of credit for what he brings to the table despite his other advantages and at least on like Hogan and Austin he has put ppl over clean including the last 2 wrestlemanias and Batista 3 consceutive PPV's


Yeah, I hate these Triple H debates as well. It's always the same thing. One side thinks that Triple H is great, but the other doesn't. They really go nowhere....:)

[Hunter Rider]

Yeah, I hate these Triple H debates as well. It's always the same thing. One side thinks that Triple H is great, but the other doesn't. They really go nowhere....:)

:up: Lets just hope he stays away for a decent length of time to give his character a chance to be reinvented to an extent

[TheVileOne]

As far as I'm concerned, Triple H's in-ring skills have really degraded in the past 2-3 years. It didn't mind his dominance so much when his matches were a lot better.

[Savage]

yeah, I miss when he was a rival to The Rock. I mean god, look at their Summerslam match. Pure greatness right there....Guy just turned into a bodybuilder and forgot about being a wrestler....Sucks cause he used to be one of my favorites.:(

[Sabretooth]

Well im not getting into a HHH debate lol as they always end up the same but i think he deserves a lot of credit for what he brings to the table despite his other advantages and at least unlike Hogan and Austin he has put ppl over clean including the last 2 wrestlemanias and Batista 3 consceutive PPV's

Now as for Raven i get where your all coming from,I always liked him in ECW and i thought his feud's with Benoit and DDP in WCW were excellent,Seem's he's a bit of a Mick Foley in the deserving stakes and im glad to hear he's continued to improve Vileone:up:

Oh and thanks for clearing the Jarrett situation up and glad it's changed
Yeah,as much as I rag on HHH,he's gotten better.He let Batista stop his undefeated streak in HIAC,something Undertaker should've done for Orton.He never targets people because of what they say,like JBL did to Meanie.And,he's jobbed at the last two Wrestlemanias.

[TheVileOne]

BTW,

Did anyone watch last Friday's Impact? Petey Williams vs. Chris Sabin in the Super X Cup tournament was awesome :) .

[John Constantine]

It certainly was. Williams and Sabin are two of the X-division's best wrestlers as well. And to think, Sabin's only 23 years old....:o

[TheVileOne]

Williams is also only 23. They both trained together with Scott D'Amore. Rhino has also trained and wrestled with D'Amore and Williams.

[LastSunrise1981]

Yeah,as much as I rag on HHH,he's gotten better.He let Batista stop his undefeated streak in HIAC,something Undertaker should've done for Orton.He never targets people because of what they say,like JBL did to Meanie.And,he's jobbed at the last two Wrestlemanias.

I'm sorry, but I will not give Ego H any credit. He put over Batista? Big deal, what about all the other wrestlers who suffered because of him?

You mean to tell me Rob Van Dam, Jericho, Kane, Booker T, Scott Steiner, and Edge aren't good enough to beat Ego H? Yet, Batista is able to do it three times in a row? Sorry, I'm not convinced that he's changed for the better, nor will I ever be convinced, he needs to do more than just put over Batista and stop hogging the spotlight to gain back my respect.

Undertaker is known for not putting people. But he did put over Brock Lesnar, only after seeing he had to or else a riot would've started.

[John Constantine]

Williams is also only 23. They both trained together with Scott D'Amore. Rhino has also trained and wrestled with D'Amore and Williams.

I did not know that before....interesting....:o

Who do you see winning the X-cup?

I think all signs point to Samoa Joe. Only because he's the only wrestler Daniels hasn't fought yet.

Plus, I read that AJ may actually turn heel at some point, particularly with the promo he pulled on this week's Impact.

[TheVileOne]

Once again I agree with LastSunrise's wrestling sentiment :D .


I did not know that before....interesting....:o

Who do you see winning the X-cup?

I think all signs point to Samoa Joe. Only because he's the only wrestler Daniels hasn't fought yet.

Plus, I read that AJ may actually turn heel at some point, particularly with the promo he pulled on this week's Impact.

As far as I'm concerned, it HAS to be Samoa "Jaw" Joe. He's the only person that can win it. Ending his streak now would be stupidity, the X Division finally has a monster and they need to keep it that way for now. Make him lose when its appropriate. AJ and Joe will have a HELL of a match at the PPV, and then Joe will have to face Daniels, hopefully at Bound For Glory and defeat him for the X title.

An AJ heel turn would work, he's a good cocky heel and he hasn't played heel since 2003. I think a loss to Joe at Sacrifice is what should start his heel turn.

[John Constantine]

Yeah, they're currently showing the TNA episodes from 2003 here where AJ was the heel champion, and it was pretty good. He does make a good heel. The thing is though, what could he do after he turns heel? Go back to the main event? Have a possible feud with Raven maybe? :confused:

[TheVileOne]

No. He should feud with Samoa "Jaw" Joe and . . . CHRIS SABIN!

Chris Sabin NEEDS a great feud right now. He and AJ have never had a long term feud. I don't think they've ever wrestled one on one before. Its a fresh match and feud basically. AJ wants to be in the X division right now, so it works perfectly. Have the first match at Unbreakable, maybe another at Bound For Glory. The winner of the feud should go onto get a shot at the X title or even win it. After this, AJ should go back to competing for the world title again, this time as a heel.

What they do probably won't be even close, but that's just my idea :) .

[Hunter Rider]

I'm sorry, but I will not give Ego H any credit. He put over Batista? Big deal, what about all the other wrestlers who suffered because of him?

You mean to tell me Rob Van Dam, Jericho, Kane, Booker T, Scott Steiner, and Edge aren't good enough to beat Ego H? Yet, Batista is able to do it three times

The guys you mentioned wern't HHH's fault,The reason RVD hasn't gotten to the top is cos he has no mic skills or at least mangement didn't let him cut his own promo's and gave him a stupid character,Booker T and Kane are not viable crowd drawing main events,Booker T is little more than a mid card wrestler and Kane only functions as a monster heel,Scott Steiner was a broken down old hasbeen when he got to WWE and deserved nothing more than what he got and Edge was moved to Raw from SD after his injury to feud with HHH as a face but the crowd never took to him cos he sucks as a face.

The Reason he put Batista over was cos WWE screwed up
Orton when they turned him face

If you hate HHH you should also hate Austin and Hogan cos both did exactly the same only Austin not once dropped the title clean to anyone

[Mr. Socko]

I wonder if Y2J is really goona quit

[Donnie Darko]

WWE House Show Ad for the 8-27 Raleigh show
There's an ad that's been playing and the only match it's advertising is a "Feature Attraction" match between Randy Orton and Rey Mysterio

I heard that too. There's also an ad for the Greensboro show that I believe says there will be a six-man tag main event. Batista, Undertaker, and Rey Mysterio vs. Hassan, Orton, and Guerrero I believe (or maybe JBL was in there), but I know Hassan was mentioned.

[Hunter Rider]

From WWE.com:

Mr. McMahon will have a major announcement tonight on RAW.

[TheVileOne]

The guys you mentioned wern't HHH's fault,The reason RVD hasn't gotten to the top is cos he has no mic skills or at least mangement didn't let him cut his own promo's and gave him a stupid character,Booker T and Kane are not viable crowd drawing main events,Booker T is little more than a mid card wrestler and Kane only functions as a monster heel,Scott Steiner was a broken down old hasbeen when he got to WWE and deserved nothing more than what he got and Edge was moved to Raw from SD after his injury to feud with HHH as a face but the crowd never took to him cos he sucks as a face.


If you saw One Night Stand or ever watched ECW, you'd know RVD having no mic skills is BS. Its just the dim-witted dumbass creative team who don't know jack about wrestling. The wrestlers don't get to do their own promos or run with their characters.

Booker T definitely should have beaten Triple H at Wrestlemania 19, it was the time to do it. He had a ton of momentum, he was over, and it would've been perfect. Instead Booker T was brushed aside, and they went with a crappy ass feud between HHH and Kevin Nash, a guy who is no longer even with the company. Bull**** again I say.

Also, Jericho is not leaving the company, or at least he says he isn't. Apparently he signed an extension according to him.

I hope Vince McMahon's announcement has nothing to do with Muhammed Hassan, I really hope WWE just drops it now and stops addressing it.

I'd like to see Vince McMahon address how crappy WWE is right now and how they will do something about it, but for some reason I highly doubt it.


If you hate HHH you should also hate Austin and Hogan cos both did exactly the same only Austin not once dropped the title clean to anyone

I definitely hate Hogan :) . Austin annoyed me with that, but at least he had some good matches.

[Hunter Rider]

If you saw One Night Stand or ever watched ECW, you'd know RVD having no mic skills is BS. Its just the dim-witted dumbass creative team who don't know jack about wrestling. The wrestlers don't get to do their own promos or run with their characters.

I adressed the blame the creative play in the problems RVD has had

Booker T definitely should have beaten Triple H at Wrestlemania 19, it was the time to do it. He had a ton of momentum, he was over, and it would've been perfect. Instead Booker T was brushed aside, and they went with a crappy ass feud between HHH and Kevin Nash, a guy who is no longer even with the company. Bull**** again I say.

I disagree,Booker T was not and never will be over enough or good enough in the ring or the mic to hold up the show ,he's a mid level wrestler who was put in that WM main event cos it was a toss up between him and RVD for the Raw contendership that year and he had the 5 meaningless WCW title reigns under his belt,where as RVD was ECW and there is still a snobbish attitude about that rpomotion in WWE management


Also, Jericho is not leaving the company, or at least he says he isn't. Apparently he signed an extension according to him.

I hope Vince McMahon's announcement has nothing to do with Muhammed Hassan, I really hope WWE just drops it now and stops addressing it.

I'd like to see Vince McMahon address how crappy WWE is right now and how they will do something about it, but for some reason I highly doubt it.


Yes true about Y2J and a bad move on his part IMO
As for Vince i hope it is not about Hassan and i agree it wont be about how crap the product is but it may be about Lesnar which will mean just another guy shoved on Raw to put that talentless proiduct Whore Cena over:mad:

[LastSunrise1981]

The guys you mentioned wern't HHH's fault,The reason RVD hasn't gotten to the top is cos he has no mic skills or at least mangement didn't let him cut his own promo's and gave him a stupid character,Booker T and Kane are not viable crowd drawing main events,Booker T is little more than a mid card wrestler and Kane only functions as a monster heel,Scott Steiner was a broken down old hasbeen when he got to WWE and deserved nothing more than what he got and Edge was moved to Raw from SD after his injury to feud with HHH as a face but the crowd never took to him cos he sucks as a face.

The Reason he put Batista over was cos WWE screwed up
Orton when they turned him face

If you hate HHH you should also hate Austin and Hogan cos both did exactly the same only Austin not once dropped the title clean to anyone

Very true about Austin. He did his fair share of dirt, and refused to put over Billy Gunn(who was an amazing athlete before the injuries); and I could see why he refused to put over Jeff Jarrett.

And Hogan definitely did his politics during his prime. He held down a lot of younger and more talented wrestlers, which in my opinion is what killed WCW along with Vince Russo's dumb ideas. Hogan changed quite a bit though, he put over Lesnar, The Rock, and Angle cleanly when he made one of his final runs in the WWE. So it's hard for me to even hate him now, as during his nWo days he complained about putting over Sting AND Goldberg when he held the title.

Every wrestler has done politics at some point. But wrestlers like The Rock and Jericho have no problems putting people over; which is why fans and wrestlers alike respect them for their dedication to the business.

[Hunter Rider]

Very true about Austin. He did his fair share of dirt, and refused to put over Billy Gunn(who was an amazing athlete before the injuries); and I could see why he refused to put over Jeff Jarrett.
Actually i think Jarrett couldve been a more valuable asset to the company if Austin and JR hadn't buried him,it wouldve provided Austin with an opponent who he couldve created some decent in ring matches with as opposed to yet more Brawls with the Undertaker

And Hogan definitely did his politics during his prime. He held down a lot of younger and more talented wrestlers, which in my opinion is what killed WCW along with Vince Russo's dumb ideas. Hogan changed quite a bit though, he put over Lesnar, The Rock, and Angle cleanly when he made one of his final runs in the WWE. So it's hard for me to even hate him now, as during his nWo days he complained about putting over Sting AND Goldberg when he held the title.

See i dont really count the guys he put over on his last run,he was a 50+ yearold man who's career was nowhere anymore and the guys he lost to were already megastars,it's like all the guy's beating Flair now it really doesn't matter,the time to put guys over and help the buissness is when your in your prime and you can make guys,and Hogan screwed everyone from,Bret Hart,To Rick Rude,Curt Hennig and the list goes on,the only guy he put over in his prime was ironicaly the Ultimate Warrior
As for not putting Sting over i don't think that was for the best and well Goldberg is a whole other can of worms

Every wrestler has done politics at some point. But wrestlers like The Rock and Jericho have no problems putting people over; which is why fans and wrestlers alike respect them for their dedication to the business.


Agreed,i would add Benoit and Angle to that list as well and even Undertaker has done it for major guys like Austin and Lesnar

[Sabretooth]

I'm sorry, but I will not give Ego H any credit. He put over Batista? Big deal, what about all the other wrestlers who suffered because of him?

You mean to tell me Rob Van Dam, Jericho, Kane, Booker T, Scott Steiner, and Edge aren't good enough to beat Ego H? Yet, Batista is able to do it three times in a row? Sorry, I'm not convinced that he's changed for the better, nor will I ever be convinced, he needs to do more than just put over Batista and stop hogging the spotlight to gain back my respect.

Undertaker is known for not putting people. But he did put over Brock Lesnar, only after seeing he had to or else a riot would've started.
Half of those guys you mentioned are people he wrestled when he was really bad and wouldn't put anyone over.Nowadays,he's jobbing to guys like Benoit when they get in the ring.

[John Constantine]

Yes true about Y2J and a bad move on his part IMO
As for Vince i hope it is not about Hassan and i agree it wont be about how crap the product is but it may be about Lesnar which will mean just another guy shoved on Raw to put that talentless proiduct Whore Cena over:mad:

With Lesner, I can see why Vince would do it though. Lesner was marketed as WWE's "next big thing". They gave him a huge contract and the title only a few months after he debuted. And what happens? He ups and leaves the WWE for the NFL. And not only does he leave, he talks bad of the WWE right afterwards. Then when his NFL career doesn't pan out, he comes back in.

If you were Vince, wouldn't you try and humiliate Lesner as much as you can? Wouldn't you try and put him over someone like John Cena, who (so far) hasn't developed a big ego like Lesner or anything like that?

For Vince, it's all a matter of pride. That's why I wouldn't be surprised to see Cena go over Lesner.....

[Lobo]

From WWE.com:

Mr. McMahon will have a major announcement tonight on RAW.


Brock :o

[Hunter Rider]

With Lesner, I can see why Vince would do it though. Lesner was marketed as WWE's "next big thing". They gave him a huge contract and the title only a few months after he debuted. And what happens? He ups and leaves the WWE for the NFL. And not only does he leave, he talks bad of the WWE right afterwards. Then when his NFL career doesn't pan out, he comes back in.

If you were Vince, wouldn't you try and humiliate Lesner as much as you can? Wouldn't you try and put him over someone like John Cena, who (so far) hasn't developed a big ego like Lesner or anything like that?

For Vince, it's all a matter of pride. That's why I wouldn't be surprised to see Cena go over Lesner.....

I could see him doing it but the fact is the WWE sucks right now and they have a chance to add something exciting to the mix with Lesnar so i think having him squashed immediately by a second rate garbage champ straight off the bat diminishes his impact and damages his valuability to the company,so in other words for cheap revenge he screws the company in the long run,plus SD needs lesnar

[John Constantine]

I could see him doing it but the fact is the WWE sucks right now and they have a chance to add something exciting to the mix with Lesnar so i think having him squashed immediately by a second rate garbage champ straight off the bat diminishes his impact and damages his valuability to the company,so in other words for cheap revenge he screws the company in the long run,plus SD needs lesnar

That's Vince for you. He rewards loyalty, no matter what. Why else does Undertaker continually get a push? Why else is JBL such a dominant main eventer now? It also explains why Hardcore Holly still has a WWE job.

Those three are probably the longest serving wrestlers WWE has had......

[John Constantine]

Oh,and apparently, there's word that Chris "Tatanka" Chavis is backstage on Raw.

So could Vince's "big" announcement be that since they had to get rid of one stereotypical wrestler, they're going to bring in another one? :eek: :eek: :D

[Hunter Rider]

That's Vince for you. He rewards loyalty, no matter what. Why else does Undertaker continually get a push? Why else is JBL such a dominant main eventer now? It also explains why Hardcore Holly still has a WWE job.

Those three are probably the longest serving wrestlers WWE has had......

well if he does that it's just another nail in the coffin IMO

[Hunter Rider]

Oh,and apparently, there's word that Chris "Tatanka" Chavis is backstage on Raw.

So could Vince's "big" announcement be that since they had to get rid of one stereotypical wrestler, they're going to bring in another one? :eek: :eek: :D

I loved his entrance music:D His match with HBK at WM 9 wasn't bad i recall

[TheVileOne]

Playing devil's advocate, Brock Lesnar didn't really seem to care when Smackdown and WWE "needed" him.

[John Constantine]

I loved his entrance music:D His match with HBK at WM 9 wasn't bad i recall

Apparently the only role he's going to get on Raw is he's going to challenge the Masterlock :(

[Hunter Rider]

Apparently the only role he's going to get on Raw is he's going to challenge the Masterlock :(

yeah,just read that,he must be hard up for a few dollars:(

[Hunter Rider]

Playing devil's advocate, Brock Lesnar didn't really seem to care when Smackdown and WWE "needed" him.

yes we know but buisness is buisness,why waste a talented valuable big time player on a worthless crap wrestler like Cena ?

[John Constantine]

yes we know but buisness is buisness,why waste a talented valuable big time player on a worthless crap wrestler like Cena ?

Look at Vince's catchphrase from when he was on tv all the time: "You don't cross the boss" ;)

Seriously, if Brock Lesner thinks that he could up and leave the company right at the point when they need him the most, Vince will teach him a lesson. Honestly, it's all a matter of pride sometimes. He'll have guys like Cena and Batista go over Lesner because those wrestlers stuck around and didn't have a big ego about their success.

I can just imagine the locker room when Lesner does return though. A lot of wrestlers didn't have kind things to say about Lesner bolting all of a sudden. The most prominent one was Big Show......he basically badmouthed Lesner for leaving, causing Big Show to stick around on SD a few months longer than he should've just to get another wrestler over.....

[Twitch]

Should I skip Raw tonight or no?

[Hunter Rider]

Look at Vince's catchphrase from when he was on tv all the time: "You don't cross the boss" ;)

Seriously, if Brock Lesner thinks that he could up and leave the company right at the point when they need him the most, Vince will teach him a lesson. Honestly, it's all a matter of pride sometimes. He'll have guys like Cena and Batista go over Lesner because those wrestlers stuck around and didn't have a big ego about their success.

I can just imagine the locker room when Lesner does return though. A lot of wrestlers didn't have kind things to say about Lesner bolting all of a sudden. The most prominent one was Big Show......he basically badmouthed Lesner for leaving, causing Big Show to stick around on SD a few months longer than he should've just to get another wrestler over.....

Well then Vince is stupid,he hired a man in Eric Bischoff who used every low tactic in the book to try and sink his company and yet he hires the man and treats him fair,sure i could see Brock taking some beatings and loosing some blood but the fact is right now WWE sucks the wrestlers on top are lame and WWE needs a genuine main eventer to kick some life into the title scene,They have a diamond oppertunity in Lesnar i think it's ludicrous to ignore the bigger picture for cheap revenge,all of the wrestling sites know cena sucks,and Batista is a stop gap,sooner or later the crowds are gonna realise he is crap and then WWE are ****ed cos they degraded their best putting him over
To sign Lesnar back just abuse him is dumb but it fits in with the rest of their banal product at the moment so thats probably what they'll do

[John Constantine]

Well then Vince is stupid,he hired a man in Eric Bischoff who used every low tactic in the book to try and sink his company and yet he hires the man and treats him fair,sure i could see Brock taking some beatings and loosing some blood but the fact is right now WWE sucks the wrestlers on top are lame and WWE needs a genuine main eventer to kick some life into the title scene,They have a diamond oppertunity in Lesnar i think it's ludicrous to ignore the bigger picture for cheap revenge,all of the wrestling sites know cena sucks,and Batista is a stop gap,sooner or later the crowds are gonna realise he is crap and then WWE are ****ed cos they degraded their best putting him over
To sign Lesnar back just abuse him is dumb but it fits in with the rest of their banal product at the moment so thats probably what they'll do

He didn't really treat him fair. I mean he did humiliate Bischoff as much as possible: he had Bischoff get totally destroyed by Austin on a weekly basis, made Bischoff shave his head while Vince insulted him on a PPV, he's constantly getting humiliated by the other wrestlers. I don't really see him getting treated that fair ;)

And with Lesner, sure he's going to get beaten by the likes of Cena and Batista and all that. But once Vince gets over his little powertrip, he'll put Lesner back into the main event where he belongs. Just consider this a lesson for Lesner to never pull that kind of **** again.

It's similar to Triple H. He got punished after he came out to celebrate with Nash and Hall during their last night in the WWF about a decade ago. He was in line for a huge push but since Trips pulled that, he was depushed immediately and made to look like a fool. But eventually, he got back into Vince's good graces and got a huge push again.

I see Lesner winning the title again by Wrestlemania 22.....even after he (or if) he gets "humiliated"

[Hunter Rider]

He didn't really treat him fair. I mean he did humiliate Bischoff as much as possible: he had Bischoff get totally destroyed by Austin on a weekly basis, made Bischoff shave his head while Vince insulted him on a PPV, he's constantly getting humiliated by the other wrestlers. I don't really see him getting treated that fair ;)

And with Lesner, sure he's going to get beaten by the likes of Cena and Batista and all that. But once Vince gets over his little powertrip, he'll put Lesner back into the main event where he belongs. Just consider this a lesson for Lesner to never pull that kind of **** again.

It's similar to Triple H. He got punished after he came out to celebrate with Nash and Hall during their last night in the WWF about a decade ago. He was in line for a huge push but since Trips pulled that, he was depushed immediately and made to look like a fool. But eventually, he got back into Vince's good graces and got a huge push again.

I see Lesner winning the title again by Wrestlemania 22.....even after he (or if) he gets "humiliated"

Yeah but the things that have been done to bischoff have been done to Vince as well ,it's par for the course with the type of characters they play,as the evil authority figures ppl want to see them get their just deserts,look at Vince he even had and angle where he pissed himself on live tv:eek:

I remember the HHH situation,May 19th 1996,The Raw the night after bad blood in october 1997 though was when HBK cut that amazing "shoot" promo revealing all
The thing is though HHH was on the verge of a push,Lesnaris returning as a former 2 time champ.a guy that's headlined wrestlemania and went over the likes,of The Rock,The Undertaker and Kurt Angle,You can't make him suddenly a whiping boy and then after he aint **** anymore give him the belt,he needs to make an impact in his return,he needs to be a force otherwise it's all pointless,plus Raw doesn't need him they have loads of main eventers if they only use them

Don't you think the fans are gonna clue into how crap Cena is soon ?
They need a drawing champ now and that is Brock

[John Constantine]

Yeah but the things that have been done to bischoff have been done to Vince as well ,it's par for the course with the type of characters they play,as the evil authority figures ppl want to see them get their just deserts,look at Vince he even had and angle where he pissed himself on live tv:eek:

I remember the HHH situation,May 19th 1996,The Raw the night after bad blood in october 1997 though was when HBK cut that amazing "shoot" promo revealing all
The thing is though HHH was on the verge of a push,Lesnaris returning as a former 2 time champ.a guy that's headlined wrestlemania and went over the likes,of The Rock,The Undertaker and Kurt Angle,You can't make him suddenly a whiping boy and then after he aint **** anymore give him the belt,he needs to make an impact in his return,he needs to be a force otherwise it's all pointless,plus Raw doesn't need him they have loads of main eventers if they only use them

Don't you think the fans are gonna clue into how crap Cena is soon ?
They need a drawing champ now and that is Brock

Brock will be the champ...just in time for him to be Smackdown's road to wrestlemania :)

The way I see it, Vince will try and humiliate Lesner as much as possible to get his "revenge". Then Brock will slowly make his way back to the main event culminating in him regaining the title at Wrestlemania 22.

That way, Vince will get the last laugh, but at the same time, they'll slowly build Lesner back into a force again......

[Hunter Rider]

Brock will be the champ...just in time for him to be Smackdown's road to wrestlemania :)

The way I see it, Vince will try and humiliate Lesner as much as possible to get his "revenge". Then Brock will slowly make his way back to the main event culminating in him regaining the title at Wrestlemania 22.

That way, Vince will get the last laugh, but at the same time, they'll slowly build Lesner back into a force again......

The way i would do that though is put him on SD and have Vince make things hard for him,such as handicap matches or scrubbing the toilets that kind of thing and get the fans behind him,at the same time make Orton the World chamo and WWE's poster boy,thus setting up a match between the 2 at mania

[TheVileOne]

yes we know but buisness is buisness,why waste a talented valuable big time player on a worthless crap wrestler like Cena ?

Just because you don't like Cena, does not make him a worthless crap wrestler. Though I don't think Cena is as good as Lesnar.

[Hunter Rider]

Just because you don't like Cena, does not make him a worthless crap wrestler. Though I don't think Cena is as good as Lesnar.
Oh come on Vile,when you stated AJ Styles was better than everyone you never made it clear it was just your opinion:)
anyway you seem to appreciate good wrestling so tell me honestly,forgetting Brock do you really see Cena as anything more than a Product whore ? to me the guy doesn't look any better in the ring than some of the kids training on Tough enough

[TheVileOne]

Oh come on Vile,when you stated AJ Styles was better than everyone you never made it clear it was just your opinion:)
anyway you seem to appreciate good wrestling so tell me honestly,forgetting Brock do you really see Cena as anything more than a Product whore ? to me the guy doesn't look any better in the ring than some of the kids training on Tough enough
Did I say AJ Styles?

I probably meant Christopher Daniels. And it is an historical fact that Christopher Daniels IS better than everyone on their best day.

[Hunter Rider]

Did I say AJ Styles?

I probably meant Christopher Daniels. And it is an historical fact that Christopher Daniels IS better than everyone on their best day.

:( :rolleyes:
I expected your analysis of cena ,instead i get some nonsense about the fallen angel:(

[Hunter Rider]

Oh and its not a fact it's just your opinion:) However it fits this thread as it sounded like something a wrestler would say when promoting himself or a manager was promoting his guy:D