Wrestling

[Sabretooth]

It's times like these I wish I could get PPVs :(

[Sabretooth]

Oh my god,Conway what have they done to you :(


WHat the hell is his gimmick supposed to be?Some gay-S&M thing?:(

[The Batman]

Why does Rob Conway look like one of the villiage people?

[Sabretooth]

That.Promo.OWNED.

[The Batman]

Yes it did.

Shawn Michaels is back folks.

[Sabretooth]

His Hogan impression was too funny.I was rolling on the floor from laughing so hard :D

And it's about damn time someone stands up to the Hogan people don't see.

[John Constantine]

Oh my god,Conway what have they done to you :(


WHat the hell is his gimmick supposed to be?Some gay-S&M thing?:(

I heard it say that he's supposed to be a bit like Buff Bagwell.....except with really gay theme music :(


And did anybody else see Tatanka? And I thought Animal let himself go....:(

[John Constantine]

His Hogan impression was too funny.I was rolling on the floor from laughing so hard :D

And it's about damn time someone stands up to the Hogan people don't see.

Seeing these promos, I think the only option for Summerslam is that Hogan is going to beat Shawn.

Knowing Hogan, there's absolutely no way that he would allow Shawn and the WWE to rip into him like that without him getting the victory. Also knowing Hogan, I wouldn't put it past him to actually no-show Summerslam if he doesn't get his way.....

[Shifty]

Seeing these promos, I think the only option for Summerslam is that Hogan is going to beat Shawn.

Knowing Hogan, there's absolutely no way that he would allow Shawn and the WWE to rip into him like that without him getting the victory. Also knowing Hogan, I wouldn't put it past him to actually no-show Summerslam if he doesn't get his way.....

The one hope is HBK wins by cheating and they have a rematch at WrestleMania 22.

[John Constantine]

Even then, I could see Hogan whining about it. Plus, Grandmaster Hogan wants to fight like Stone Cold at WM 22.

[The Ghoul]

My Raw review

On the whole it was a lot better than some of the crap the spew into our tv sets on a weekley basis. Although the goods were great, the bads were gagable. (its my own word. I made it up. So!)

Jericho's promo was awesome. Not necessarily in what he said, just the way he said it. Chris Jericho has always been a favorite of mine because he is the perfect example of a total package. He can wrestle the crap out of just about anyone & on the mic he is amazing.

The tag match was... ok. It provedthat even though he is young Shelton can handle having to carry a match with Snitsky & Masters. Believe me, that is talent. You can tell Big Show was trying to up his charisma so he can remind the higher ups that he can be very entertaining. Besides Big Show wanting to take the Masterlock challenge... Is this fued going anywhere at all?

Eugene & Angle... At least it's a lot less rediculous as it sounds. You got to give credit where credit's due. They actually made this story work. Both Eugene & Angle are funny & should make the most of this story. Funny thing though, I was laying down watching it & when Angle said that they're on an indian reservasion & there are no hometown heros, I said to my self (as a joke I wasn't trying to predict anything I just joked) Tatanka. 5 seconds later what do we see... Ta-****ing-tanka. Do you know what this means? This means WWE has gotten so predictable, I was able to predict something without really predicting something.

Was Vince looking for heat when he thanked himself?... It didn't work.

Matt's promo was actually pretty cool. Not the best promo I have seen but was still pretty cool.

I think it is clear Val Venis is never getting another push when he has to job to George Michael.

Shawn Michaels segment was easily the greatest thing to happen on Raw... Ever! This was better than Austin driving the zamboni. Better than Austin and the beer truck... Better than Austin driving anything into the arena.

Who knew Rob Schnieder would be the one thing that could make the diva search watchable.

I was playing poker on may cell phone for most of the John Cena/Carlito match. I did see Cena clearly putting his hands in front of his face long before his head was even close to coming down to the post & it makes me sick.

Tickets: 50$
T-Shirt: 25$
Soda & Popcorn: 12$
Watching Jericho hit John Cena in the face with a camera: Priceless

[Sabretooth]

But that would mean they'd be feuding for a damn year.It would possibly be like the HHH vs. HBK feud :(

[DOG LIPS]

Was the crowd chanting "This match sucks!!" during the Conway/Venis match? :D


Three things are already old and unwelcome to me:

Matt Hardy and his 'real' story.
Snitsky/Masters tag team.
Big Show's weak-ass headbutts that send men flying to the mat. :mad:

[The Ghoul]

Was the crowd chanting "This match sucks!!" during the Conway/Venis match? :D

Yes, yes they were... & so was I.
Three things are already old and unwelcome to me:

Matt Hardy and his 'real' story.

I agree, he tried to be the next Brian Pillman. Except everything Pillman did to make his "shoot" believable Hardy did not do & as soon as he signed with WWE about a month ago, that's where he ****ed up

Snitsky/Masters tag team.

Amen!

Big Show's weak-ass headbutts that send men flying to the mat. :mad:

So, I'm not the only one who notices that too.

[kane9321]

holy crap...is is.that,tatanka...i havent seen him in 10 yrs..holy crap. i remember he fought that guy...ludwig borga and lost

[TheVileOne]

RAW totally sucked again tonight.

As for Cena, I think he's a decent brawler. He's got a good personality and mic skills. But he's really not a complete wrestler and seems to be lacking something in his matches.

[3dman27]

He didn't really treat him fair. I mean he did humiliate Bischoff as much as possible: he had Bischoff get totally destroyed by Austin on a weekly basis, made Bischoff shave his head while Vince insulted him on a PPV, he's constantly getting humiliated by the other wrestlers. I don't really see him getting treated that fair ;)

"
i think he means treating bischoff airly behind the scenes not nessasarily his on air persona

[spider-jide]

The rock needs to come back to wrestling because it just isn't that good anymore. Bring back the talent.

[Batman15]

the rock sucks now.
:down

[DOG LIPS]

The rock needs to come back to wrestling because it just isn't that good anymore. Bring back the talent.
Supposedly he has his plate full with movie roles for the next bazillion years, which is why he quit wrasslin in the first place, but hey, if they can bring out Rob ScneiBigelow to promote his dumbass movie, then the Rock will be back to promote his movies as they come out over the next few years. He'll probably be like Austin though, just showing up to promote and 'raise hell' then leave again.

[spider-jide]

Supposedly he has his plate full with movie roles for the next bazillion years, which is why he quit wrasslin in the first place, but hey, if they can bring out Rob ScneiBigelow to promote his dumbass movie, then the Rock will be back to promote his movies as they come out over the next few years. He'll probably be like Austin though, just showing up to promote and 'raise hell' then leave again.


Ahh well. I'm just saying I think current wrestling is so boring I'm on the verge of tears at how craptastic it is. All the great stars have gone and we're left with talentless hacks and wannabes. Seriously, when i found out that they turned Bradshaw from the apa into JBL, a now bigshot and the wwe champion, I was like, "wtf?". Then Hogan brings his ass back again, what is his problem? Dude got beat by the rock twice, then he vanishes, comes back dressed like some retarded superhero, making us believe it wasn't really hogan under that craptastic disguise, dissapears yet again then comes back, ripping his shirt again like its 1989. Shouldn't hogan be on a respirator or something?

[DOG LIPS]

I think that 80 years of steroids have truly mutated him into what everyone claims he is. Immortal. :eek:

[3dman27]

Ahh well. I'm just saying I think current wrestling is so boring I'm on the verge of tears at how craptastic it is. All the great stars have gone and we're left with talentless hacks and wannabes. yea bring back nora"molly holly" greenwald
:spidey:

[Metamorpho1977]

So what Tatanka has put on some weight. It was probably my favorite match of the night. It was great seeing the tomahawk chop again. Maybe it will inspire him to get back in shape and the WWE can find some way to use him again.

[kane9321]

where is my victoria...dangit

[Metamorpho1977]

when HBK cut that amazing "shoot" promo revealing all


beginning to think that the WWE has turned this into part of HBK's gimmick.

[Bad Superman]

Still in awe of Tatanka's triumphant return. . . .

:barf:

[Jason Blood]

so did HBK kick the larry king dude and the camera?

I kinda missed that

[Twitch]

so did HBK kick the larry king dude and the camera?

I kinda missed that

Yeah, but the kicks were lame :down

The promo altogether was gold

[Sabretooth]

I thought it was cool when he superkicked Larry King,but the one to the camera was a little corny.Still,great promo :up:

[TheVileOne]

Alex Shelley vs. Samoa "Jaw" Joe and Petey Williams vs. AJ Styles this Friday on Impact. Round 2 of the Super X Cup II Tournament :) .

Shelley and Joe are 2 of ROH's finest. Styles has never beaten Williams one on one.

[Hunter Rider]

Well HBK's Hogan skit was hilarious and true :o Matt Hardy being back is great but who has Kurt Angle pissed off to be stuck in the moronic feud with Eugene ?
The rest of Raw was substandard,Shelton Bernjamin seems to be having trouble keeping his balance on the top since his fall a month back
Y2J cut a good promo as well but thats all the show was,Carlito is looking better and given a decent opponent could improve greatly Cena however must be removed from the top spot ,he can't wrestle as well as some of the kids from tough enough and has zero ability in selling his opponent,he's so lead footed he made Carlito look bad on several spots

[Hunter Rider]

Credit: WWE.com



<LI>The following is from WWE's official website:

"After verbally agreeing to terms with WWE, Brock Lesnar has decided to withdraw from any involvement with the company."

Given the recent way the site has been operating, it's just as possible that this could be some sort of storyline.

Let's just hope its to try and make his return a surprise:mad: :(

[Jason Blood]

Let's just hope its to try and make his return a surprise:mad: :(

blah blah blah

He wanted a title shot at summerslam

blah blah blah

JBL has that shot

blah blah blah

triple threat match


maybe...

[TheVileOne]

I really don't care about Summerslam at all this year.

I kind of cared about it and wanted to watch it last year.

This year its just...floundering.

[John Constantine]

Well HBK's Hogan skit was hilarious and true :o Matt Hardy being back is great but who has Kurt Angle pissed off to be stuck in the moronic feud with Eugene ?


I'm actually liking his feud with Eugene. Particularly since Kurt Angle seems to play a comedic role very well. And the "battles" he and Eugene engage in are pretty funny.

Plus, it should be a good match with Angle and Eugene since Eugene isn't that bad of a wrestler.....

[Hunter Rider]

I'm actually liking his feud with Eugene. Particularly since Kurt Angle seems to play a comedic role very well. And the "battles" he and Eugene engage in are pretty funny.

Plus, it should be a good match with Angle and Eugene since Eugene isn't that bad of a wrestler.....

Well i can see what you mean to a point but I just think Angle deserves much better than a feud with a moron character like Eugene(he's an ok wrestler)
Angle should be in a feud with Benjamin instead and that way they could promote a guy who has a future in the buissness

[Bad Superman]

I don't know why, but I get the feeling RAW's writing and angles have been very mediocre since Ego H left. . . . IMO there could be some kind of sabotage behind the scenes.

[Metamorpho1977]

I'm getting some kind of feeling that there is a former WCW superstar that may be making his way to WWE in some way. There has been a lot of signs pointing to Sting. I know Sting has his beliefs that have kept him away. But HBK has the same beliefs. I think there may be some kind of compromise to bring him in.

[Bad Superman]

I'm getting some kind of feeling that there is a former WCW superstar that may be making his way to WWE in some way. There has been a lot of signs pointing to Sting. I know Sting has his beliefs that have kept him away. But HBK has the same beliefs. I think there may be some kind of compromise to bring him in.

I expected the signing of a big star such as Brock Lesnar or Sting when Vince came out during RAW last Monday. I was dissapointed with Matt Hardy's return. It wasn't a big announcement as I expected.

[Metamorpho1977]

I was expecting something bigger than Matt Hardy too.

[Sabretooth]

Meh,at least now Matt can stop these stupid random attacks.It was cool the first time he did it,but then it got old real fast

[LastSunrise1981]

I don't know why, but I get the feeling RAW's writing and angles have been very mediocre since Ego H left. . . . IMO there could be some kind of sabotage behind the scenes.

It's a combination of both my Kryptonian friend. It's bad when he's there, and it's worse when he's not there, when in actuality they could be trying to improve their product and give a reason for fans to tune in, however it's become painfully obvious that the WWE, Vince McMahon, or the writers don't care about what the fans think or want.

They'll use the excuse as "Well, he wasn't on TV and the ratings didn't improve, so what more can we possibly do?"

Oh I don't know, maybe actually TRY to make the product better? Get rid of the soap opera writers for starters, and hire writers who are actually wrestling fans and go from there.

[John Constantine]

Well i can see what you mean to a point but I just think Angle deserves much better than a feud with a moron character like Eugene(he's an ok wrestler)
Angle should be in a feud with Benjamin instead and that way they could promote a guy who has a future in the buissness

They could always save a feud with Benjamin for later. Eugene just came back from an injury, and a feud with Angle is a good way to come back with......

[Hunter Rider]

It's a combination of both my Kryptonian friend. It's bad when he's there, and it's worse when he's not there, when in actuality they could be trying to improve their product and give a reason for fans to tune in, however it's become painfully obvious that the WWE, Vince McMahon, or the writers don't care about what the fans think or want.

They'll use the excuse as "Well, he wasn't on TV and the ratings didn't improve, so what more can we possibly do?"

Oh I don't know, maybe actually TRY to make the product better? Get rid of the soap opera writers for starters, and hire writers who are actually wrestling fans and go from there.
I agree that it's the writer's fault not HHH's But the main problem is the fact they currently have the worst champion in 10 years at the head of the show and they are reusing the old Austin/Mcmahon angle between him and Bischoff,juste remove Rednecka nd replace the word with Thug and Bischoff's promo's about Cena are identical to Mcmahon's about Austin,hell Lawler even used the same line durin gthe match the other night he used in the austin/mcmahon feud years ago

[Hunter Rider]

They could always save a feud with Benjamin for later. Eugene just came back from an injury, and a feud with Angle is a good way to come back with......

To be totaly truthfull i can't see any point in Eugene coming back,and if he is gonna be in the show he should be wrestling masters or Conway ,someone like that ,not one of the best in the world IMO

[Sabretooth]

WWE should hire the writers who write the Wrestlemania commercials.The WM 21 commercials were genius :D :up:

[John Constantine]

To be totaly truthfull i can't see any point in Eugene coming back,and if he is gonna be in the show he should be wrestling masters or Conway ,someone like that ,not one of the best in the world IMO

That's because the WWE has a vested interest in Eugene? He does seem to be popular with the fans ala John Cena at times...particularly before he was overexposed last year.

And that also shows the character of Kurt Angle. He's willing to wrestle against anybody and do anything. And it really does no harm to his character because he makes everything look convincing :up:

[Hunter Rider]

That's because the WWE has a vested interest in Eugene? He does seem to be popular with the fans ala John Cena at times...particularly before he was overexposed last year.

And that also shows the character of Kurt Angle. He's willing to wrestle against anybody and do anything. And it really does no harm to his character because he makes everything look convincing :up:

I think they have some incriminating evidence on Angle:mad: :p
Seriously thats what is so messed up in WWE right now,why would ppl cheer for Eugene and Cena ? i mean it isnt cos either are great performers,i know Eugene is a special character but he doesn't need the kind of main event stauts that WWE affords him

Look at the roster ,all the best talent are stuck in feudsthat are beneath them

[John Constantine]

People cheer for Eugene because they like to cheer for their own. And the basis of Eugene's gimmick is that he's a HUGE wrestling fan. That's why he constantly copies the finishing moves of other wrestlers. Because he's such a fan of that wrestler that he uses their moves. It plays good with the sentimentality factor :)

And really, he's not in the main event at the moment. He's in a midcard feud with Angle. Which is where he should stay. Once his feud with Angle is finished, I could see him back in the tag-team division again.....

[Hunter Rider]

People cheer for Eugene because they like to cheer for their own. And the basis of Eugene's gimmick is that he's a HUGE wrestling fan. That's why he constantly copies the finishing moves of other wrestlers. Because he's such a fan of that wrestler that he uses their moves. It plays good with the sentimentality factor :)

And really, he's not in the main event at the moment. He's in a midcard feud with Angle. Which is where he should stay. Once his feud with Angle is finished, I could see him back in the tag-team division again.....
Sentimentality ? BAH!:mad: :down :)
Im just bored to death with Raw and it's the only wrestling i can see right now but the underuse of talent is extraodinary

HBK-wrestling a geriatric hasbeen
Angle-wrestling a 90% gimmick character
Y2J-Wrestling the worst champion in ten years
Big Show-wrestling another million dollar body ten cent brain OVW product
Benjamin-not even in a feud at all


if they booked these guys intelligently the show needent be garbage,they just have no clue anymore

The only feud worth a damn is the Matt Hardy/Edge one

[Hunter Rider]

-- From WWE.com:

"Dusty Rhodes has just arrived at WWE Headquarters. The former World Champion is scheduled to meet with Stephanie McMahon. WWE.com will have more on their meeting once it concludes."



:confused: :(

[The Techno Bat]

The WWE has signed Tatanka to a contract, he needs to lose a few pounds but for all intents and purposes he is back with the WWE

[Twitch]

What in the hell is Dusty doing at WWE? :confused:

[spider-jide]

Tatanka has a nw contract? WWE is getting bizzarely desperate.

[Spider-Nerd]

hart is in stamford this week.

[Sabretooth]

hart is in stamford this week.
I heard it has to do with a new DVD coming out called ''Screwed:The Bret Hart Story''

Ya know,they could always have him promote it by having him and Shawn feud in Canada :D

[Metamorpho1977]

Smackdown is coming to Atlanta on September 6th and here's the main event.

MAIN EVENT:
World Heavyweight Champion BATISTA & THE UNDETAKER & REY MYSTERIO
VS.
EDDIE GUERRERO & RANDY ORTON & JBL

[3dman27]

What in the hell is Dusty doing at WWE? :confused:
he recently left tna due to differences with the tna owners as i read it :spidey:

[Hunter Rider]

From WWE.com:

Dusty Rhodes' meeting with Stephanie McMahon has ended. When asked about the meeting, McMahon responded:

"Dusty is an incredible asset both creatively and as a talent. We are exploring all possibilities of working with Dusty in the future."

That's a pretty good sign that WWE will be bringing him in on the creative team. As noted earlier, they also want him for their legends program and the Hall of Fame, likely next year.



ugh WTF? he was a disaster for TNA and what do they mean as "Talent" surely there not gonna have him wrestle:(

Credit: PWTorch.Com


According to sources, the attitudes of both John Cena and Batista have been very good, since winning the top tier belts. Apparently Cena is down-to-earth, approachable, and eager to learn. "He knows he has a long way to go if he wants to have a long run making top dollars," says a WWE source.

Sources also report that Batista is smart, affable student of wrestling who learned a lot from road trips with Triple H and Ric Flair, but has age working against him compared to Cena.

what is this BS ? If Cena is Champ he shouldn't have a lot to learn,when they put the belt on you it means youve reached a level where you can carry the company:mad:

[Metamorpho1977]

One Last Dusty Rhodes/Ric Flair match would be cool.

[3dman27]

maybe the'll hire him as an anouncer
sorry i was thinking of commentator :spidey:

[Sabretooth]

maybe the'll hire him as an anouncer
Too bad he has the most annoying voice ever.



Oh,and I knew he was gonna join the creative team.Oh well,looks like WWE is gonna be even more ****ty than it was before :( :o

[TheVileOne]

Seeing as to how Rhodes did a pretty crappy ass job as the head of creative for TNA...go ahead and let him join WWE's UN-creative team :p .

I hope at the very least that Hart and I guess Dusty will be inducted into the Hall Of Fame at Wrestlemania 22 in Chicago next year.

[Super Ronnie]

bret hart is there for the dvd thing is he not.

[Sabretooth]

Hahahahaha Boogeyman injured his knees at a house show.:D I wonder if he'll take time off?What'll that mean for the promos? :confused:

[Super Ronnie]

do you think the boogeyman will be another failure like many others

[John Constantine]

Seeing as to how Rhodes did a pretty crappy ass job as the head of creative for TNA...go ahead and let him join WWE's UN-creative team :p .

I hope at the very least that Hart and I guess Dusty will be inducted into the Hall Of Fame at Wrestlemania 22 in Chicago next year.

The sad thing is, Dusty Rhodes as part of the WWE creative team might be a boost up for them :D

[The Ghoul]

do you think the boogeyman will be another failure like many others

Yes. I heard the reason Jim Cornette was fired was because he slapped a guy who was supposed to be scared during a Boogeyman promo & instead he was laughing at him. Also I heard he cut a promo at a house show & that it was also very laughable. So yeah, Boogeyman will be a joke. Weither he can wrestle or not, I don't know. I have not seen him wrestle.

[TheVileOne]

Boogeyman's failure is a foregone conclusion.

[Jason Blood]

did anyone read Velocity spoilers

:(

[Sabretooth]

One more hour until SD.I'm so bored :(

[DOG LIPS]

So...so.... BORED. :(

I hope SD! Kicks buttcheex tonight. :mad:

[U.S War Machine]

Go get some of my ordurves that I brought.

[The Techno Bat]

Go get some of my ordurves that I brought.

I thought good ol Jack Burton said it was all in the reflexes?

[John Constantine]

I guess this was the reason why Bret Hart met with the WWE this week, from the WWE website:

"Bret Hart and WWE have agreed on a deal for an upcoming DVD chronicling the amazing career of the Hit Man. Bret will be in Stamford over the next several days working on the DVD. "

This is a good step in the WWE's parts in rebuilding ties with Bret Hart. I only hope this mean further appearances - possibly a HOF induction along with someone like Steve Austin-and maybe like Owen Hart or Davy Boy Smith-at Wrestlemania 22.....

[GLfan]

WWE Release Unforgiven Poster, Spoils SummerSlam PPV. Warning Spoiler's below, you've been warned!




















WWE has officially released the PPV Poster for RAW's September PPV, Unforgiven. The poster shows WWE Champion John Cena with the WWE Title, facing off against Kurt Angle.

With Chris Jericho's rumored post-SummerSlam hiatus and now this visual confirmation, it appears Cena will be walking out of SummerSlam with the gold.

[Sabretooth]

No suprise there.I'm telling you,Jericho should've left when he had the chance.

[3dman27]

after reading the smackdown spoilers at www.lordsofpain.net i skipped smackdown altogether for a godzilla movie

[GLfan]

Smackdown wasn't all that good, wish I would have watched BB6 instead. The Eddie/Rey angle is getting old too much drama.

[kane9321]

Ok Ok OK ..1st of all I just gotta say that chick with MNM ..what the **** is that thing on her cheek.That that thing is very very disgusting,gross..yeah we know its fake and all but damn stop zooming in on that whatever it is...at least she does have a nice pair of cans..lol.....Oh eddie and rey just stop it ..its boring boring..

[John Constantine]

And this is why the WWE's cruiserweight division is inferior to the X-division....


Vince McMahon has sent word down through WWE that he wants cruiserweights to tone down several risky high flying moves, unofficially banning maneuvers such as the 450 splash and the shooting star press.

Apparently the number of injuries has caused McMahon to decide that high flying risky maneuvers are simply not worth it. The unofficial ban actually went into effect around two weeks ago and when Paul London used the shooting star press against Nunzio on a recent edition of Velocity, he was told by company officials not to use it again and to come up with a different finisher.

Source: PWInsider.com

[Bad Superman]

Guys, take a look at this news for Smackdown VS RAW 2006. I'm pretty pumped up for this game:

http://ps2.ign.com/articles/638/638978p1.html

[Bad Superman]

And this is why the WWE's cruiserweight division is inferior to the X-division....


Vince McMahon has sent word down through WWE that he wants cruiserweights to tone down several risky high flying moves, unofficially banning maneuvers such as the 450 splash and the shooting star press.

Apparently the number of injuries has caused McMahon to decide that high flying risky maneuvers are simply not worth it. The unofficial ban actually went into effect around two weeks ago and when Paul London used the shooting star press against Nunzio on a recent edition of Velocity, he was told by company officials not to use it again and to come up with a different finisher.

Source: PWInsider.com

What's next? Ban top rope moves as WCW once did?? :mad:

[Hunter Rider]

And this is why the WWE's cruiserweight division is inferior to the X-division....


Vince McMahon has sent word down through WWE that he wants cruiserweights to tone down several risky high flying moves, unofficially banning maneuvers such as the 450 splash and the shooting star press.

Apparently the number of injuries has caused McMahon to decide that high flying risky maneuvers are simply not worth it. The unofficial ban actually went into effect around two weeks ago and when Paul London used the shooting star press against Nunzio on a recent edition of Velocity, he was told by company officials not to use it again and to come up with a different finisher.

Source: PWInsider.com
Can you hear that ????????:eek:

[John Constantine]

That's always been a problem with the WWE. They always try and limit a wrestler's moves to a very limited set. BUt then again, wrestling's always a distant second to the WWE....

[Bad Superman]

That's always been a problem with the WWE. They always try and limit a wrestler's moves to a very limited set. BUt then again, wrestling's always a distant second to the WWE....

God I miss the old NWA and old WCW. . . . :(

I hope TNA gets a better TV spot. Saturday night's I'm partying.

[John Constantine]

I honestly hope they try and at least keep the streaming format on RealPlayer. Sure, it's ****ty quality, but at least that means Impact can still be viewed anytime.....

[Donnie Darko]

all right, I need some help... what is everyone's favorite ECW dvd? I want to buy some, but I can't decide which one to get at the moment. I saw a couple ppvs and the TNN show sometimes in like 98/99 (and I also saw a live show in Raleigh, NC around 99, too... it was awesome), plus I have One Night Stand, so basically anything other than ONS is welcome.

[Hunter Rider]

all right, I need some help... what is everyone's favorite ECW dvd? I want to buy some, but I can't decide which one to get at the moment. I saw a couple ppvs and the TNN show sometimes in like 98/99 (and I also saw a live show in Raleigh, NC around 99, too... it was awesome), plus I have One Night Stand, so basically anything other than ONS is welcome.

Hardcore Heaven 2000
Living Dangerously 98 and 99
Heatwave 98
November to Remember 97

[Twitch]

all right, I need some help... what is everyone's favorite ECW dvd? I want to buy some, but I can't decide which one to get at the moment. I saw a couple ppvs and the TNN show sometimes in like 98/99 (and I also saw a live show in Raleigh, NC around 99, too... it was awesome), plus I have One Night Stand, so basically anything other than ONS is welcome.

Get The PPVs Hunt mentioned and The Rise and Fall of ECW from WWEshop.com :up:

[Donnie Darko]

you don't work for WWEshop.com, do you? Well, probably not, or else you would've been like "plus, there's a brand spankin' new John Cena tshirt available!!!"

[TheVileOne]

God I miss the old NWA and old WCW. . . . :(

I hope TNA gets a better TV spot. Saturday night's I'm partying.
No VCR?

Making cruiserweights wrestle like heavyweights kind of defeats the purpose of the cruiserweight division.

[Bad Superman]

No VCR?

Making cruiserweights wrestle like heavyweights kind of defeats the purpose of the cruiserweight division.

No VCR, yet. I began to move my stuff to my new apartment. :( Yeah, I'm screwed.

I agree with the cruiserweight comment. I wonder what adjustments Rey Mysterio will have to do. His hi-flying style is what makes him be.

[Super Ronnie]

no kane lost his mask in a match with triple h, he just shaved his head still the same guy

[Hunter Rider]

Never thought i'd see the day :eek:



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[Sabretooth]

Holy ****!

[Donnie Darko]

I love seeing the Hitman. I long for the days when he was in the main event.

[Jason Blood]

I can't believe that nobody's said anything about what happened on Velocity

I'm kinda pissed

[Sabretooth]

I can't believe that nobody's said anything about what happened on Velocity

I'm kinda pissed
ok,what happened?

[John Constantine]

Never thought i'd see the day :eek:



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Like I've said before. Anybody can come back to the WWE :D


Well anybody but Bruno Sammartino :o

[Twitch]

you don't work for WWEshop.com, do you? Well, probably not, or else you would've been like "plus, there's a brand spankin' new John Cena tshirt available!!!"

No, I only get DVDs from them :confused:

[Shifty]

WWE Release Unforgiven Poster, Spoils SummerSlam PPV. Warning Spoiler's below, you've been warned

WWE has officially released the PPV Poster for RAW's September PPV, Unforgiven. The poster shows WWE Champion John Cena with the WWE Title, facing off against Kurt Angle.

With Chris Jericho's rumored post-SummerSlam hiatus and now this visual confirmation, it appears Cena will be walking out of SummerSlam with the gold.

What's worse? Having Jericho lose at SummerSlam and have a break or Jericho win at SummerSlam but lose the title in two weeks then have a break? The stuff they've did with Hardy and Lesnar online has been good since its not the usual "look I was right, why bother watching" so if the info is out that Jericho has resigned it would be a surprise to see Jericho win and they can finally have a live RAW title change which hasn't happened in awhile. Have a triple threat match Carlito vs Jericho vs Cena where Cena pins Carlito. Then you can have a Carlito/Jericho feud and put the belt on Angle soon and Cena does become a 2 time champion however.

[Jason Blood]

ok,what happened?

it seems as though Nunzio wins the Cruiserweight title during the first match (with the help of Big Vito)

:mad:

[John Constantine]

it seems as though Nunzio wins the Cruiserweight title during the first match (with the help of Big Vito)

:mad:

Not only that, but it appears as if Paul London may be pulling a Chris Jericho when he was WCW Cruiserweight champion. Still, it sucks that London had to lose the CW championship on Velocity....

[Jason Blood]

Not only that, but it appears as if Paul London may be pulling a Chris Jericho when he was WCW Cruiserweight champion. Still, it sucks that London had to lose the CW championship on Velocity....

:confused:

[TheVileOne]

They might as well do away with the cruiserweight title if they aren't even going to let them wrestle like cruiserweights.

[John Constantine]

:confused:

Didn't you read the last part of the spoiler where Paul London comes out and says that the fans should picket WWE headquarters (or something like that) because his belt was taken by two thieves? :confused:

[John Constantine]

They might as well do away with the cruiserweight title if they aren't even going to let them wrestle like cruiserweights.

Indeed. It's a shame that the WWE has guys like Rey Mysterio, Paul London, Frankie Kazarian, CM Punk, Psychosis, Juventud, Tajiri, Super Crazy, Nova and those guys aren't allowed to go all-out. If they were allowed to, that division would be the highlight of Smackdown.

[Jason Blood]

Didn't you read the last part of the spoiler where Paul London comes out and says that the fans should picket WWE headquarters (or something like that) because his belt was taken by two thieves? :confused:

chris jericho did that?

[John Constantine]

chris jericho did that?

Something similar. Everytime he lost the Cruiserweight title, he manage to picket WCW or find a loophole in order to get his title back. It's part of what made him such a great character in the first place :up:

[Jason Blood]

Something similar. Everytime he lost the Cruiserweight title, he manage to picket WCW or find a loophole in order to get his title back. It's part of what made him such a great character in the first place :up:

didn't know that

[TheVileOne]

At TNA Sacrifice a week from Sunday, Christopher Daniels is going to face an opponent the fans can vote on from their website. The opponents will be indy and wrestlers not contracted with TNA.

PLEASE LET LIGER BE ON THE LIST!

[hotrain33]

I just saw the impact show on real player and the winner of the x cup tournament will get a title shot to face christopher danials .

[TheVileOne]

Yes, but the finals are at Sacrifice, and the winner is NOT going to face Daniels on that show. They are going to face him either at the next PPV, Unbreakable, or their big October event, BOUND FOR GLORY, which is going to be their Wrestlemania.

[3dman27]

I can't believe that nobody's said anything about what happened on Velocity

I'm kinda pissed
velocity is taped in advance at the smackdown taping this event happend AFTER this weeks velocity was taped

[spider-jide]

Never thought i'd see the day :eek:



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Fake smiles and one hell of a stiff handshake if you ask me.


Damn, Brett's looking old.

[3dman27]

Not only that, but it appears as if Paul London may be pulling a Chris Jericho when he was WCW Cruiserweight champion. Still, it sucks that London had to lose the CW championship on Velocity....
whats wrong with that ?
titles have changed hands on heat why not velocity?

[3dman27]

Indeed. It's a shame that the WWE has guys like Rey Mysterio, Paul London, Frankie Kazarian, CM Punk, Psychosis, Juventud, Tajiri, Super Crazy, Nova and those guys aren't allowed to go all-out. If they were allowed to, that division would be the highlight of Smackdown.
is it possible this is due to network censor interferience?

[Metamorpho1977]

I think we're going crazy with the Spoiler blackouts.

[The Techno Bat]

I think that TNA's X-Division is going to draw the WWE fans to there show. And when Vincent Kennedy McMahon sees this he will quickly change back to allowing his cruiserweight's to go all out

[John Constantine]

whats wrong with that ?
titles have changed hands on heat why not velocity?

I hate that as well (although I can't think of a title change on Heat that didn't precede a PPV). Especially in this case because they probably won't even mention the title change on Smackdown. Meaning, that people won't have a clue as to who the new champion is now.

[Jason Blood]

velocity is taped in advance at the smackdown taping this event happend AFTER this weeks velocity was taped
I meant on this board

I ****ing know how taping works

[TheVileOne]

is it possible this is due to network censor interferience?

More like corporate censor interference. Vince Just doesn't want the cruiserweights upstaging his huge slugs that can't wrestle.

[3dman27]

you may be right thevileone unfortunately for fans of the cruiserweights, the hurricane in particular

[3dman27]

by the way i forgot to ask any superstar releases this week?

[Jason Blood]

goddamn London's promo was awful

oh yeah, Velocity is being aired now, as the UFC thing comes on at nine, and they need to play a one hour rerun thing before they air the live event

[Jason Blood]

Does anyone happen to have either Kazarian's last TNA theme or his WWE theme?

I'm looking for them, and I'm having no luck

EDIT

I found his TNA theme

[3dman27]

you may be right thevileone unfortunately for fans of the cruiserweights, the hurricane in particular
fortuneatly now that the nfl's back in action i have an alternative to world mediocrity entertainment

THE NFL :spidey: :spidey:

[3dman27]

HEADS UP VICTORIA FANS

your gal's at it again this time its against stacy
last night on heat there was a locker room scene wher vic wag griping about stacy getting all the magazine covers it ended wit stacy leaving the room and victorias cryptic "whatch your back *****"
and while super stacy was out at ringside with team hero victoria jumped stacy the show ende with rosey backing victoria off and hurricane heping stacy up
i think the wwe's going back to having heat matches carry over to raw like paul london's loos of thr cruiserweight belt carried to smackdown STAY TUNED

[Jason Blood]

I have the strangest feeling that tonight's Raw is going to suck

:(

[Bad Superman]

Never thought i'd see the day :eek:



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I hope The Hitman gets inducted on the WWE Hall of Fame. It's great to see him again.

[kane9321]

HEADS UP VICTORIA FANS

your gal's at it again this time its against stacy
last night on heat there was a locker room scene wher vic wag griping about stacy getting all the magazine covers it ended wit stacy leaving the room and victorias cryptic "whatch your back *****"
and while super stacy was out at ringside with team hero victoria jumped stacy the show ende with rosey backing victoria off and hurricane heping stacy up
i think the wwe's going back to having heat matches carry over to raw like paul london's loos of thr cruiserweight belt carried to smackdown STAY TUNED



yeah for victoria ..but huh why go after stacy...continue the feud with christy :mad:

[3dman27]

yeah for victoria ..but huh why go after stacy...continue the feud with christy :mad:
i don't know off hand

[John Constantine]

I have the strangest feeling that tonight's Raw is going to suck

:(

Most likely. The only thing that might be worth watching is to see if Matt Hardy does anymore psycho "Edge should die in a car accident" promos :o

[Sabretooth]

Or if HBK does another ass kicking promo where he mocks Hogan :D

[Hunter Rider]

Or if HBK does another ass kicking promo where he mocks Hogan :D

Hogan will probably beat him up on tonights show and HBK will scramble up the aisle in terror at the might of Hogan:rolleyes: :(

[Sabretooth]

Doubt it,in last week's promo when he mocked Hogan and the fake Larry King was saying how tough Shawn was,Shawn was mocking him and saying stuff like ''Well,he definitely would be a challenge,looks like I'll have to use my backstage politics for this'' and he's always saying stuff like ''Hogan.what ya gonna do when HBK doesn't lay down for you?''

I don't think they'll have HBK be a coward,considering he always talks about backstage Hogan,and I don't think they'll kill the whole thing by having HBK do what he said he won't.

[Hunter Rider]

Doubt it,in last week's promo when he mocked Hogan and the fake Larry King was saying how tough Shawn was,Shawn was mocking him and saying stuff like ''Well,he definitely would be a challenge,looks like I'll have to use my backstage politics for this'' and he's always saying stuff like ''Hogan.what ya gonna do when HBK doesn't lay down for you?''

I don't think they'll have HBK be a coward,considering he always talks about Hogan backstage,and I don't think they'll kill the whole thing by having HBK do what he said he won't.

I hope so bbut bad things happen to talented guys when Hogan is around

[0neDisturbedSOB]

Shawn has NO chance against Hogan.

Anyone else getting pissed off that guys like Booker T, Jericho, Benoit..etc keep getting overlooked for lengthy title runs? I know Benoit had it, and I know Jericho had it, but poor Booker T has never had it and is more than deserving of a title run.

They need to stop giving it to the flavor of the month and start looking at who's got longevity in the company.

[Sabretooth]

I hope so bbut bad things happen to talented guys when Hogan is around
Well,there's definitely no way he'll lose at SummerSlam.Even though some people know what he's like backstage,he's still the face in this storyline.And with the way HBK has owned him twice,there's no way Hogan can lose.

[Hunter Rider]

Shawn has NO chance against Hogan.
I take it by this you mean that Hogan as usual will politic his geriatric old ass into the winners colum ?

Anyone else getting pissed off that guys like Booker T, Jericho, Benoit..etc keep getting overlooked for lengthy title runs? I know Benoit had it, and I know Jericho had it, but poor Booker T has never had it and is more than deserving of a title run.

They need to stop giving it to the flavor of the month and start looking at who's got longevity in the company.

im not bothered about seeing Booker T as champion but it;s time for Cena to drop the belt,he's the worst champ in the last decade

[Sabretooth]

Shawn has NO chance against Hogan.

Anyone else getting pissed off that guys like Booker T, Jericho, Benoit..etc keep getting overlooked for lengthy title runs? I know Benoit had it, and I know Jericho had it, but poor Booker T has never had it and is more than deserving of a title run.

They need to stop giving it to the flavor of the month and start looking at who's got longevity in the company.
Benoit hasn't had gold since around this time last year.He could've and should've won the US title from OJ. And well,I don't consider Jericho's new shot at the WWE title him getting back in the spotlight.Cena's going to win,hell they even showed a poster for the next PPV for where he goes against Angle for the title.

And honestly,I don't see what people see in Booker.Yeah,he's worked his ass off,but he's really not that great of a wrestler.Mid carder at best.And he can't get over with the crowd as well as someone like Cena or Hogan or HBK when he was a face.

[Hunter Rider]

Partial Source: PWInsider.com

- 20th Century FOX and WWE Films will begin running industry screenings of "The Marine" on the West Coast to gauge audience reaction to the film. The $15 million movie stars John Cena, Robert Patrick and Kelly Carlson.

- The comments from Bret Hart's assistant regarding his trip to WWE Headquarters have been removed from BretHart.com.

- CM Punk received a positive reaction for his dark matches last week and will be heading to Ohio Valley Wrestling in the near future.

- Matt Striker did a run-in at this weekend's WORLD-1 event. He also offered a thank-you speech regarding his signing with World Wrestling Entertainment.

[Jason Blood]

I hope so bbut bad things happen to talented guys when Hogan is around

He killed the dinosaurs :(

[Sabretooth]

3 hours until Raw.I'm so bored.:(

[John Constantine]

I take it by this you mean that Hogan as usual will politic his geriatric old ass into the winners colum ?


Yep. With the amount of times that Shawn has ripped into Hogan the past few weeks, how can Hogan not win this match? Can you imagine if Hogan were told he was to get made fun of on Raw AND lose his match to Michaels at Summerslam? He would no-show the event.....

[Hunter Rider]

Yep. With the amount of times that Shawn has ripped into Hogan the past few weeks, how can Hogan not win this match? Can you imagine if Hogan were told he was to get made fun of on Raw AND lose his match to Michaels at Summerslam? He would no-show the event.....

your right and that's why wwe is a steaming pile of crap right now,the fact they would put an old fart who is at least 10 years past what was his supposed prime over a guy who could help build the young stars as he is still great is a bad joke but hey cena's champ so what does it matter ? Raw blows and it's not gonna improve anytime soon

[John Constantine]

That's what the WWE's always did though. They always put Hogan's interest over anybody's else. Remember Wrestlemania 9 when they had Hogan go over Yoko in like 2 minutes? That made both Bret Hart and Yokozuna look bad. The only reason why the WWE is still doing this is because they think Hulk Hogan is still a big name and a Hulk Hogan vs Shawn Michaels match might mean big buyrates for their PPV.

[Hunter Rider]

It's more stupid than ever now though as Hogan can barely walk let alone wrestle and he isnt gonna be there for long after the match,he's off to do something else

there really is no excuse other than cowardice from wwe and i for one hope that TNA can mount a challenge and force vince to remember what the second W stands for

[John Constantine]

Yeah, but all the WWE cares about at the moment is now. And they hope a Shawn-Hogan match can bring in the buyrates for them. And sure, it's a bit of cowardice, but that's what happens when the WWE deals with Hogan. Can you imagine what'll happen in Summerslam if Hogan decides to no-show entirely? Their main-event match is basically screwed. And this was the match they're building their show around.....

[Sabretooth]

Well,TNA already managed to get a TV deal,and on the same channel as the competition.I'm sure WWE will start getting better around the time TNA comes on so that people are watching that instead of TNA.

[John Constantine]

Well,TNA already managed to get a TV deal,and on the same channel as the competition.I'm sure WWE will start getting better around the time TNA comes on so that people are watching that instead of TNA.

Even though TNA got a tv deal, they're still a loooong way away from even competing with the WWE. They're stuck on a Saturday night, which probably means Velocity-type ratings for a while. But if they stick with the quality of programming, I see them competing actively with the WWE in one or two years.....

[Sabretooth]

Even though TNA got a tv deal, they're still a loooong way away from even competing with the WWE. They're stuck on a Saturday night, which probably means Velocity-type ratings for a while. But if they stick with the quality of programming, I see them competing actively with the WWE in one or two years.....
Whoa,didn't know they're gonna be on Saturday.Yeah,they're kinda screwed right now.Friday and Saturday are the worst days for a wrestling show,because most people have plans on those days.:(

[John Constantine]

Whoa,didn't know they're gonna be on Saturday.Yeah,they're kinda screwed right now.Friday and Saturday are the worst days for a wrestling show,because most people have plans on those days.:(

Yeah, they're basically taking over Velocity's spot. I don't even think Spike TV will market the show much. I think they'd rather market the UFC program more and bill Impact as "the wrestling show after UFC".

Seriously, it would even be bad to put Impact on Mondays opposite Raw. It will get absolutely slaughtered in the ratings initially. Best to put it on a Saturday (kinda like WCW Saturday Night, which was the main WCW show for years), try and let it grow a small audience. TNA is not going to supplant the WWE right away. It took WCW years to become a competitor for the WWE. The same is going to happen with TNA.

[LastSunrise1981]

Benoit hasn't had gold since around this time last year.He could've and should've won the US title from OJ. And well,I don't consider Jericho's new shot at the WWE title him getting back in the spotlight.Cena's going to win,hell they even showed a poster for the next PPV for where he goes against Angle for the title.

And honestly,I don't see what people see in Booker.Yeah,he's worked his ass off,but he's really not that great of a wrestler.Mid carder at best.And he can't get over with the crowd as well as someone like Cena or Hogan or HBK when he was a face.

You never saw Booker T in WCW did you? He can definitely wrestle with the best of them, and even had classic match-ups with Benoit, Eddie, Kanyon, Saturn, and Scott Steiner before WCW died.

What killed Booker T was WWE and them watering down his moveset, his gimmick, and his ability to get the crowd into his matches. Trust me, he was one of the most over stars in WCW and was a great heel during the tag team days of Harlem Heat.

[Metamorpho1977]

he needs to bring back the Harlem Hangover. He did it in that one match with Big Show and that was cool.

[DOG LIPS]

Ha ha ha... This crowd is great. Booing Hogan, booing Eugene, cheering Kurt. And even some "Eugene sucks!" chants.

[The Batman]

Edge cut a pretty good promo...mostly because some of it was true...

[John Constantine]

Ha ha ha... This crowd is great. Booing Hogan, booing Eugene, cheering Kurt. And even some "Eugene sucks!" chants.

Well it is at Kurt's hometown. I just find it funny that they were cheering like mad for Kurt and he tried to get some heel heat by calling the fans "idiots" :D

Man, Kurt Angle rocks :up:

[The Batman]

anyone call that diva yet?

[Sabretooth]

Raw sucked ass tonight :down No suprise though.

Only good thing was Kurt Angle.:o

[Super_Ludacris]

I liked the Micheals-Hogan shoot, showed some genuine heat there.
I'm suprise Hogan hit him with the Bret Hart line, didn't go totally cliche Hulk on em

[Super_Ludacris]

Yep. With the amount of times that Shawn has ripped into Hogan the past few weeks, how can Hogan not win this match? Can you imagine if Hogan were told he was to get made fun of on Raw AND lose his match to Michaels at Summerslam? He would no-show the event.....

You forgot his 2002 comeback. Yeah he won a couple of championships but he put a lot of guys over and actually took a lot of losses (Rock, Lesnar, Angle etc). Like it wasn't the usual Hulk wins all the timething from 80's and 90's

[Sabretooth]

I knew they were gonna do a Bret Hart thing.I mean, the guy just signed back with WWE or whatever.

[Super_Ludacris]

Be nice if he made a suprise apperance at Summerslam

Anyways it's blatantly obvious Micheals is gonna win, setting him on a ego trip and have him feud with a face in the fall (Cena?).

[Sabretooth]

Speaking of Cena,anybody see his music video?Corniest **** ever.

[hotrain33]

Don't even bother calling that phony number I read on a website that it was fake the number belongs to a male named austin. I enjoyed the dialoge between hulk and hbk. The fans went crazy when hogan mentioned the hitman. I hope bret makes an appearance next week being that raw will be in montreal. It would be nice to see bret screw hbk in some fashion next week.

[Jehuty]

Hogan will probably beat him up on tonights show and HBK will scramble up the aisle in terror at the might of Hogan:rolleyes: :(Its funny because he really did that. :)

[TheVileOne]

I really could give two ****s about WWE right now. I'm just excited that the next awesome TNA PPV is this weekend :) .

http://www.tnawrestling.com/sacrifice/dreammatch.html

Right now you can vote on who Christopher Daniels is going to face at the PPV on Sunday. I voted for Austin Aries, former ROH champion. All those guys on the poll are ROH guys really, so they are all awesome :) . Though Aries is leading the poll right now by a steep majority.

So here's what the Sacrifice card is looking like right now:

SUPER X CUP II TOURNAMENT FINALS!!!
Samoa "Jaw" Joe vs. AJ Styles

Raven and Sabu vs. Jeff Jarrett and Rhino

Christopher Daniels vs. fan poll winner (most likely Austin Aries)

America's Most Wanted and The Naturals vs. Team Canada

Abyss vs. Lance Hoyt

Jerry Lynn vs. Sean Waltman

Kip James and Monty Brown vs. The Truth and Konnan (BG James is the special referee)

Samoa Joe vs. AJ kind of puts it over the top for me in wanting to see it more than Summerslam this year. There's really nothing on the Summerslam card that really interests me. I don't care about HBK/Hogan. The Rey/Eddie feud has degenerated into complete crap. Cena winning is a foregone conclusion. Benoit is being wasted with slugs like Orlando Jordan. The Batista/JBL feud and matches blow.

My main problem with Sacrifice is that there are no title matches, so I'm hoping they will put the Super X Cup finals match as the main event to make it truly significant.

[3dman27]

Raw sucked ass tonight :down No suprise though.

Only good thing was Kurt Angle.:o
i skipped raw for dolphins football
anything on the stacy vs victoria situation?

[Hunter Rider]

You forgot his 2002 comeback. Yeah he won a couple of championships but he put a lot of guys over and actually took a lot of losses (Rock, Lesnar, Angle etc). Like it wasn't the usual Hulk wins all the timething from 80's and 90's

that meant nothing,Hogan was a hasbeen then as well,so putting them over meant nothing as they were already over,if he's put guys over in the late 80's and early 90's that wouldve meant something,beating Hogan now is just a full stop on a bad joke

[Hunter Rider]

You never saw Booker T in WCW did you? He can definitely wrestle with the best of them, and even had classic match-ups with Benoit, Eddie, Kanyon, Saturn, and Scott Steiner before WCW died.

What killed Booker T was WWE and them watering down his moveset, his gimmick, and his ability to get the crowd into his matches. Trust me, he was one of the most over stars in WCW and was a great heel during the tag team days of Harlem Heat.

I saw his WCW days and he isn't a main event show carrying performer,he is capable as a solid pro of working with anyone but he would never be able to draw a big PPV buyrate

[Hunter Rider]

Its funny because he really did that. :)

no surprises there,just predictble WWE garbage,the whole feud is a ****ing joke anyway,i mean HBK will have to wrestle half pace in order for Hogan to keep up and then later in the match he will loose the use of his arms before coming very slowly off the ropes to give Hogan enough time to lift his leg very slowly off the ground and then fall over for him and wait there for 10 minutes while Hogan sucks ass at the crowd drops his leg and then HBK can leave shower the shame off himself while a 55 yearold selfish egomaniac old man poses to the marks

Pathetic:down

[Hunter Rider]

Yeah, but all the WWE cares about at the moment is now. And they hope a Shawn-Hogan match can bring in the buyrates for them. And sure, it's a bit of cowardice, but that's what happens when the WWE deals with Hogan. Can you imagine what'll happen in Summerslam if Hogan decides to no-show entirely? Their main-event match is basically screwed. And this was the match they're building their show around.....

They shouldn't work with him if he can't be a professional.the guy is the past he is a joke they bring back occassionaly and is fun in tag matches,putting him in the main event is a prime example of why WWE sucks right now

[Metamorpho1977]

How many people wanna bet that next week we get a Summerslam preview with Shawn Michaels vs. Jerry Lawler?

[Sabretooth]

no surprises there,just predictble WWE garbage,the whole feud is a ****ing joke anyway,i mean HBK will have to wrestle half pace in order for Hogan to keep up and then later in the match he will loose the use of his arms before coming very slowly off the ropes to give Hogan enough time to lift his leg very slowly off the ground and then fall over for him and wait there for 10 minutes while Hogan sucks ass at the crowd drops his leg and then HBK can leave shower the shame off himself while a 55 yearold selfish egomaniac old man poses to the marks

Pathetic:down
Well,it's only gonna get worse now.Michaels had his fun,but Hogan will have the last laugh.:o

[Hunter Rider]

Well,it's only gonna get worse now.Michaels had his fun,but Hogan will have the last laugh.:o

oh yeah WWE=pointless moronic ****

[kane9321]

the king got clocked..that was funny

[punishermax]

Anyone see Cena's ****ed up shoulder block on Carlito.....Who in the hell can screw up a friggin shoulder block.

[Hunter Rider]

Anyone see Cena's ****ed up shoulder block on Carlito.....Who in the hell can screw up a friggin shoulder block.
the guy's ability level is about where the tough enough guys were,he is a joke as champion

[Sabretooth]

Anyone see Cena's ****ed up shoulder block on Carlito.....Who in the hell can screw up a friggin shoulder block.
Yeah,that was priceless.I wish he fell on his face,instead of still hitting Carlito.

[John Constantine]

Anyone see Cena's ****ed up shoulder block on Carlito.....Who in the hell can screw up a friggin shoulder block.

That might have to do with Carlito as well. I think Carlito was supposed to have run to the middle of the ring so Cena could perform the shoulder block, but Carlito somehow fell down so Cena kinda miscalculated the move.....

[Hunter Rider]

That might have to do with Carlito as well. I think Carlito was supposed to have run to the middle of the ring so Cena could perform the shoulder block, but Carlito somehow fell down so Cena kinda miscalculated the move.....

nah it was just one in a long line of Cena cock ups,he is a basic OVW guy with not much in the way of savvy or skill

Masters over Benjamin ????WTF:mad:
oh poor HBK has lost the use of his arms now and JR can't decide if he's a heel or not:rolleyes:

[John Constantine]

I thought it looked more like Cena undershot where Carlito was going to be. I'm not saying that it wasn't Cena's fault, but Carlito had a lot to do with it as well. But that's what happens when you have guys that young come out of OVW really early. I mean honestly, these guys have probably only been wrestling pro for a couple years, they're bound to make mistakes.

[Hunter Rider]

Yeah thats why they shouldn't be anywhere near the main event,guys like The Rock and HHH didn't Main Event until they were ready

[John Constantine]

Even look at all of the WWE champions before the Attitude era, the majority of them were in their 30s:

Bret Hart was 35 when he won his first championship
Shawn Michaels was 31
Hulk Hogan was 31
Randy Savage was 36
Undertaker was 29

Even Steve Austin and Mick Foley were in their 30s when they won the WWE championship.....

[punishermax]

I thought it looked more like Cena undershot where Carlito was going to be. I'm not saying that it wasn't Cena's fault, but Carlito had a lot to do with it as well. But that's what happens when you have guys that young come out of OVW really early. I mean honestly, these guys have probably only been wrestling pro for a couple years, they're bound to make mistakes.

Cena's been wrestling for over 5 years and Carlito for 6, so its not like their brand new, both young, but to be on the biggest stage in sports entertainment and screw up a simple move like a shoulder block is inexcusable, mistakes happen but they shouldn't (especially a shoulder block) when your the WWE and Intercontinental champions. Its just that WWE is pushing a no talent hack like Cena, and pushing Carlito who is 90% gimmick, and has some but not much talent.

[John Constantine]

Cena's been wrestling for over 5 years and Carlito for 6, so its not like their brand new, both young, but to be on the biggest stage in sports entertainment and screw up a simple move like a shoulder block is inexcusable, mistakes happen but they shouldn't (especially a shoulder block) when your the WWE and Intercontinental champions. Its just that WWE is pushing a no talent hack like Cena, and pushing Carlito who is 90% gimmick, and has some but not much talent.

five or six years wrestling is not enough though. How long was Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels, Steve Austin, and Mick Foley wrestling before they were seen as legitimate main-eventers?

Every now and then there may be a lone exception in which a guy may only wrestle for a couple of years break out and become a superstar (Kurt Angle, The Rock, Brock Lesner is a huge huge maybe), but wrestling pro for half a decade is way too short to be at the top of the business IMO.

And frankly, a lot of blame about these young wrestlers screwing up has to do with OVW. A lot of these guys coming up from OVW frankly, are not that good.....

[Hunter Rider]

Even look at all of the WWE champions before the Attitude era, the majority of them were in their 30s:

Bret Hart was 35 when he won his first championship
Shawn Michaels was 31
Hulk Hogan was 31
Randy Savage was 36
Undertaker was 29

Even Steve Austin and Mick Foley were in their 30s when they won the WWE championship.....

But
Rock-26
Lesnar-25
Orton-24

age is no excuse for being garbage ,Cena sucks cos he has no in ring talent,not cos of his age

and speaking of the attitude era,Austin wasted his time as all that cred the attitude era built up has been destroyed by gimmicky trash like Eugene,Masters,Vis,Conway and of course the putting of ****ing Hogan in a main event with his embarrasing routine

[John Constantine]

But
Rock-26
Lesnar-25
Orton-24

age is no excuse for being garbage ,Cena sucks cos he has no in ring talent,not cos of his age

and speaking of the attitude era,Austin wasted his time as all that cred the attitude era built up has been destroyed by gimmicky trash like Eugene,Masters,Vis,Conway and of course the putting of ****ing Hogan in a main event with his embarrasing routine

The Rock's a huge exception. Lesner was given the championship only because the WWE wanted to justify spending all that money on getting him.

Honestly, the championship belt means so little nowadays. The WWE doesn't give the belt anymore as to who's the best wrestler. They give it to whoever's the most loyal or whoever can sell the most t-shirts anyways.

[punishermax]

five or six years wrestling is not enough though. How long was Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels, Steve Austin, and Mick Foley wrestling before they were seen as legitimate main-eventers?

Every now and then there may be a lone exception in which a guy may only wrestle for a couple of years break out and become a superstar (Kurt Angle, The Rock, Brock Lesner is a huge huge maybe), but wrestling pro for half a decade is way too short to be at the top of the business IMO.

And frankly, a lot of blame about these young wrestlers screwing up has to do with OVW. A lot of these guys coming up from OVW frankly, are not that good.....


Five or six years is usually not enough time to become a bonafide main eventer with exceptions, so your right, but I'm not talking about whether their main eventers or not (eventhough I believe their not), I'm saying is that 5 or 6 years is definitely enough time to learn how to do a damned shoulder block and they can't do that right.

[John Constantine]

Five or six years is usually not enough time to become a bonafide main eventer with exceptions, so your right, but I'm not talking about whether their main eventers or not (eventhough I believe their not), I'm saying is that 5 or 6 years is definitely enough time to learn how to do a damned shoulder block and they can't do that right.

Not if you're in the WWE that emphasizes the "Entertainment" part of the Sports Entertainment.

Honestly, a lot of these guys are chosen because they can cut a good promo, not because of their wrestling skills....

[Hunter Rider]

The Rock's a huge exception. Lesner was given the championship only because the WWE wanted to justify spending all that money on getting him.

Honestly, the championship belt means so little nowadays. The WWE doesn't give the belt anymore as to who's the best wrestler. They give it to whoever's the most loyal or whoever can sell the most t-shirts anyways.

yeah that is true to a point but until Cena got his hands on the belt it's vever sunk this low,just go back one year to WM20 and we had 2 awesome champions so i don't buy it,Yes WWE likes to seel merchandise but never have they put the belt on anyone with such little talent as Cena,he's a complete joke

[John Constantine]

yeah that is true to a point but until Cena got his hands on the belt it's vever sunk this low,just go back one year to WM20 and we had 2 awesome champions so i don't buy it,Yes WWE likes to seel merchandise but never have they put the belt on anyone with such little talent as Cena,he's a complete joke

The sole reason why Cena has the belt is because of his charisma. They're trying to make him into another Rock. That's why they had him win the title right when his rap album came out. That's why they're trying to branch him into movies. It's not about developing a wrestler. It's about trying to develop another star for them. The WWE honestly doesn't care about the wrestling. Why else would they hire former soap opera writers? It's because they care more about storylines.

[punishermax]

The sole reason why Cena has the belt is because of his charisma. They're trying to make him into another Rock. That's why they had him win the title right when his rap album came out. That's why they're trying to branch him into movies. It's not about developing a wrestler. It's about trying to develop another star for them. The WWE honestly doesn't care about the wrestling. Why else would they hire former soap opera writers? It's because they care more about storylines.

That's the reason why I hope TNA doesn't blow their Spike TV chance.

[Hunter Rider]

The sole reason why Cena has the belt is because of his charisma. They're trying to make him into another Rock. That's why they had him win the title right when his rap album came out. That's why they're trying to branch him into movies. It's not about developing a wrestler. It's about trying to develop another star for them. The WWE honestly doesn't care about the wrestling. Why else would they hire former soap opera writers? It's because they care more about storylines.

again i know WWE is sinking further into soap land but as i say,there are plenty of guys capable of entertaining and performing in the ring
The Rock had both,Orton has both,HBK has both,Angle has both etc...
eventually it will bite them in the ass,when you pay 30 bucks for a PPV all you get is wrestling,now the guys i mentioned can talk the talk but when the bell rings they deliver,eventually ppl are gonna realise that Cena sucks and isnt worth there 30 bucks,i just hope its soon

[Twitch]

Not if you're in the WWE that emphasizes the "Entertainment" part of the Sports Entertainment.

Honestly, a lot of these guys are chosen because they can cut a good promo, not because of their wrestling skills....

Also don't forget they also have to be have a ripped body to get signed by WWE. I mean look at Masters who has no talent at all and then Samoa Joe who's a bit flappy in weight but a great wrestler. The current WWE and Writers are just so ****ing stupid :down

[John Constantine]

That's the reason why I hope TNA doesn't blow their Spike TV chance.

It's not really about TNA blowing it. I'm confident they can keep their momentum going. It's about Spike TV maybe ****ing them over like what they did with ECW.....

[John Constantine]

again i know WWE is sinking further into soap land but as i say,there are plenty of guys capable of entertaining and performing in the ring
The Rock had both,Orton has both,HBK has both,Angle has both etc...
eventually it will bite them in the ass,when you pay 30 bucks for a PPV all you get is wrestling,now the guys i mentioned can talk the talk but when the bell rings they deliver,eventually ppl are gonna realise that Cena sucks and isnt worth there 30 bucks,i just hope its soon

Yeah, Orton is okay (although I do think he's a tad overrated, he's getting there though as a legitimate main-eventer). But could you see the WWE making money off Orton like they did with Cena? Could you see them making those custom titles like they do with Cena? ;)

Believe me, I've been wanting Angle to have another title reign for a long time. I'm a huge Angle fan. But I can also see why the WWE would want to try pushing John Cena as their main event face........

[Hunter Rider]

Yeah, Orton is okay (although I do think he's a tad overrated, he's getting there though as a legitimate main-eventer). But could you see the WWE making money off Orton like they did with Cena? Could you see them making those custom titles like they do with Cena? ;)

Believe me, I've been wanting Angle to have another title reign for a long time. I'm a huge Angle fan. But I can also see why the WWE would want to try pushing John Cena as their main event face........

well orton IMO could be used in the same way as The Rock promotionaly,and i'll never see the reason to push a guy who can't wrestle at curtain jerker level

[Twitch]

Did Orton come from OVW?

just wondering

[Jason Blood]

I have to admit, as much as I hate him Brock Lesnar deserved to be champion (except for the making better wrestlers job to him part)

before there was JBL there was Lesnar

except JBL's better than Lesnar



anyone see Matt Hardy's new shirt?

it's awesome

[Hunter Rider]

before there was JBL there was Lesnar

except JBL's better than Lesnar



JBL better than Lesnar ? to me JBL is all hot air,he has very few moves no athletiscism and is little more than a worker as opposed to a main eventer

[John Constantine]

well orton IMO could be used in the same way as The Rock promotionaly,and i'll never see the reason to push a guy who can't wrestle at curtain jerker level

Very simple. How else could the WWE promote John Cena's CD if he weren't champion? ;)

[punishermax]

Yeah, Orton is okay (although I do think he's a tad overrated, he's getting there though as a legitimate main-eventer). But could you see the WWE making money off Orton like they did with Cena? Could you see them making those custom titles like they do with Cena? ;)

Believe me, I've been wanting Angle to have another title reign for a long time. I'm a huge Angle fan. But I can also see why the WWE would want to try pushing John Cena as their main event face........

I want Angle as champ, too, but the condition his neck is in, one bad bump and he's done, so the WWE doesn't want to be stuck with a crippled world champ.

[John Constantine]

JBL better than Lesnar ? to me JBL is all hot air,he has very few moves no athletiscism and is little more than a worker as opposed to a main eventer

I really see JBL as yet another showing that the WWE could put the belt on anymore and have them seen as a main-eventer.

Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if they tried that with Chris Masters one of these days.....

[Jason Blood]

JBL better than Lesnar ? to me JBL is all hot air,he has very few moves no athletiscism and is little more than a worker as opposed to a main eventer
JBL was waaay better as the top heel

[Sabretooth]

Brock was a MUCH better wrestler than JBL,though I do enjoy JBL's promos more.

And Orton really did get screwed out of a great title run.Everytime I see Batista,I think to myself ''That could've been Randy Orton''

[Twitch]

JBL better than Lesnar ? to me JBL is all hot air,he has very few moves no athletiscism and is little more than a worker as opposed to a main eventer

IMO he would be great in the tag team division with Orlando Jordon they sort already have a gimmick for themselves in the Cabient. They just need OJ to drop the US title to a more derserving guy like Booker, Benoit, Christian etc.

[punishermax]

Brock was a MUCH better wrestler than JBL,though I do enjoy JBL's promos more.

And Orton really did get screwed out of a great title run.Everytime I see Batista,I think to myself ''That could've been Randy Orton''

But to win the title from HHH, Orton would had to have still been a face, and Orton as a face, well, he sucks as a face.

[Hunter Rider]

JBL was waaay better as the top heel

on the mic ? yeah he's good but a bit repetetive but he is crap in the ring where as Lesnar wasnt great on the mic but he was awesome as an unstoppable monster in the ring,JBL can't back up his talk in the performance side so he lacks cred as a top heel

[Sabretooth]

They could've done what they did with Batista,and have him slowly become a face.And I don't think he sucks as a face,it's just that he turned face WAY too fast,that and they made him as invincible as Cena.Seriously,he kicked out of everyone's finishers at least 3 times during a match.

[John Constantine]

But to win the title from HHH, Orton would had to have still been a face, and Orton as a face, well, he sucks as a face.

It's not really that he sucks. It's that as soon as he turned face, they turned him into a generic face. If he would've still been the cocky SOB like he was as the Legend Killer, it may've gone a bit better.....that and a slow-burn to face :o

[Sabretooth]

on the mic ? yeah he's good but a bit repetetive but he is crap in the ring where as Lesnar wasnt great on the mic but he was awesome as an unstoppable monster in the ring,JBL can't back up his talk in the performance side so he lacks cred as a top heel
That's sorta the point of his gimmick ;) He calls himself a wrestling god,but he takes the easy way out,cheats,etc.

[Hunter Rider]

That's sorta the point of his gimmick ;) He calls himself a wrestling god,but he takes the easy way out,cheats,etc.

yeah i know i was really meaning in the fact he can barely sell a move or perform certain spots to a high enough level to be in the main event

I agree with the tag team suggestion made earlier

[punishermax]

It's not really that he sucks. It's that as soon as he turned face, they turned him into a generic face. If he would've still been the cocky SOB like he was as the Legend Killer, it may've gone a bit better.....that and a slow-burn to face :o

I just don't see Orton as a face working out, especially after his turn to face and 5 months later a heel turn, I just think its gonna be a while before people forget what happened, that he was cocky, then nice and now him trying to be cocky again, I just don't think Orton is a guy who would be a good face.

I think that is the longest run on sentence in my life.

[Hunter Rider]

It's not really that he sucks. It's that as soon as he turned face, they turned him into a generic face. If he would've still been the cocky SOB like he was as the Legend Killer, it may've gone a bit better.....that and a slow-burn to face :o

yep,the fast change over to get a main event program between orton/HHH killed him,he shouldve had the belt and stayed with evolution with HHH seething in the background as Orton struted about as champ growing independant

[John Constantine]

I just don't see Orton as a face working out, especially after his turn to face and 5 months later a heel turn, I just think its gonna be a while before people forget what happened, that he was cocky, then nice and now him trying to be cocky again, I just don't think Orton is a guy who would be a good face.

I think that is the longest run on sentence in my life.

If they kept his Legend Killer gimmick going on, but this time going after heel legends, I could see a face gimmick working. The problem was, as soon as he turned face, they just undid everything that made him cool in the first place. Kinda like what they're doing with John Cena right now :o

If they maintained his cockiness, I could maybe see Orton working out as a face again.....

[Sabretooth]

Well,it's not like he's going to be turning face anytime soon.He's got a feud with the Undertaker,then probably Batista,and I can really see him feuding with Benoit as well.

[punishermax]

If they kept his Legend Killer gimmick going on, but this time going after heel legends, I could see a face gimmick working. The problem was, as soon as he turned face, they just undid everything that made him cool in the first place. Kinda like what they're doing with John Cena right now :o

If they maintained his cockiness, I could maybe see Orton working out as a face again.....

Possibly with Orton, but I never saw Cena as cool, always a guy who could rhyme but had no ability to back it up.

[John Constantine]

yep,the fast change over to get a main event program between orton/HHH killed him,he shouldve had the belt and stayed with evolution with HHH seething in the background as Orton struted about as champ growing independant

Exactly. They should've built up some anomosity between Orton and Trips. Have an extreme slow-burn to the face side for Orton. Kind of like what they did with Batista. Remember how huge the fans popped for Batista when he finally turned on Hunter? Just imagine if they had done that with Orton......

[John Constantine]

Possibly with Orton, but I never saw Cena as cool, always a guy who could rhyme but had no ability to back it up.

I liked Cena back when he was as heel because he had intensity. That's what actually made him popular in the first place. But as he got bigger, he turned into a bigger and bigger tool. He's definitely a guy who could benefit from a heel turn as well....

[U.S War Machine]

Ah yes, is orton one of the biggest fan favorites on Smackdown now?

[Hunter Rider]

Exactly. They should've built up some anomosity between Orton and Trips. Have an extreme slow-burn to the face side for Orton. Kind of like what they did with Batista. Remember how huge the fans popped for Batista when he finally turned on Hunter? Just imagine if they had done that with Orton......

agreed it wouldve been gold and Orton is younger and has twice the ability of Batista so he wouldve been better long term for the company...but they rushed and blew it

[Twitch]

<---------- :o:up:

I just hate it when Hogan is going to get a victory over HBK, then when HBK lets over Shelton nobody will care because the fans will be laughing at HBK cause he lost to Hogan and nobody will remember that hopefully classic match :(

[punishermax]

I liked Cena back when he was as heel because he had intensity. That's what actually made him popular in the first place. But as he got bigger, he turned into a bigger and bigger tool. He's definitely a guy who could benefit from a heel turn as well....

But RAW doesn't have any faces other than Cena in the main event, RVD comes back soon, then maybe a Cena heel turn (but we all know RVD is underappreciated and under pushed), or its rumored that HHH might come back as a face, but I can't see the average WWE fan accepting HHH as a reformed face right away, I also don't see the WWE machine turning its most valuable asset in to a "bad guy" and turning all the kids and marks away from Cena.

[John Constantine]

But RAW doesn't have any faces other than Cena in the main event, RVD comes back soon, then maybe a Cena heel turn (but we all know RVD is underappreciated and under pushed), or its rumored that HHH might come back as a face, but I can't see the average WWE fan accepting HHH as a reformed face right away, I also don't see the WWE machine turning its most valuable asset in to a "bad guy" and turning all the kids and marks away from Cena.

Yeah, that's true, and I highly doubt Cena will turn heel. I'm just saying that if there's one wrestler who could benefit from turning heel, it's Cena.

[TheVileOne]

Wasn't The Giant the youngest world champ ever at one point?

[Hunter Rider]

Yeah, that's true, and I highly doubt Cena will turn heel. I'm just saying that if there's one wrestler who could benefit from turning heel, it's Cena.

he could also benefit from learning how to wrestle:up:

[Hunter Rider]

But RAW doesn't have any faces other than Cena in the main event, RVD comes back soon, then maybe a Cena heel turn (but we all know RVD is underappreciated and under pushed), or its rumored that HHH might come back as a face, but I can't see the average WWE fan accepting HHH as a reformed face right away, I also don't see the WWE machine turning its most valuable asset in to a "bad guy" and turning all the kids and marks away from Cena.

Thats why they shoulve left HBK a face on RAW

[punishermax]

he could also benefit from learning how to wrestle:up:

Nice

[John Constantine]

he could also benefit from learning how to wrestle:up:

But a heel turn is a much more plausible situation :up:

[Hunter Rider]

But a heel turn is a much more plausible situation :up:

but he'll still suck in the ring so he will still kill evey main event he's in:(

[Twitch]

Shelton could fill that top face spot if Cena turned heel but that will never happen even if it did happen the fans wouldn't get behind him easily because his hard earned reputation is getting ruined by the Masterlock. :(

[Hunter Rider]

Shelton could fill that top face spot if Cena turned heel but that will never happen even if it did happen the fans wouldn't get behind him easily because his hard earned reputation is getting ruined by the Masterlock. :(

the fact Masters went over against him on RAW even outdid HBK's humiliation at the end for saddest moment on RAW this week:( :down

[Sabretooth]

but he'll still suck in the ring so he will still kill evey main event he's in:(
BUt he'll have the badassness and the intensity that made him so over with the fans :o

[Hunter Rider]

BUt he'll have the badassness and the intensity that made him so over with the fans :o

he'll still suck though so it doesn't matter:(

[Sabretooth]

the fact Masters went over against him on RAW even outdid HBK's humiliation at the end for saddest moment on RAW this week:( :down
You act like HBK actually had a chance against Hogan.Seriously,Hogan really hasn't changed since the last time we saw him,why would he now?

[Sabretooth]

he'll still suck though so it doesn't matter:(
And?It's not like he'll be the first.:o

[John Constantine]

the fact Masters went over against him on RAW even outdid HBK's humiliation at the end for saddest moment on RAW this week:( :down

I think they're really trying as hard as possible to have the Masterlock be a powerful finisher.

In other words, it seems like the WWE is putting more stock in Masters now than Benjamin :o :(

[Hunter Rider]

You act like HBK actually had a chance against Hogan.Seriously,Hogan really hasn't changed since the last time we say him,why would he now?

well Hogan has lost his last 4 big matches so i see no reason why WWE should let him go over against one of the company's biggest assets

http://img359.imageshack.us/img359/963/0010ea.jpg

this is Bret's new wife,The old Hitman is doing alright for himself:cool:

[Sabretooth]

Pittsburgh was cheering Masters last night.There's something fishy there :confused:

[Hunter Rider]

And?It's not like he'll be the first.:o

he's not the first to suck but he is the worst main eventer in 10 years

[Hunter Rider]

I think they're really trying as hard as possible to have the Masterlock be a powerful finisher.

In other words, it seems like the WWE is putting more stock in Masters now than Benjamin :o :(

the amount of things wrong with that are to numerous to mention:mad:

[Sabretooth]

http://img359.imageshack.us/img359/963/0010ea.jpg
I'd hit it :up:

[Sabretooth]

he's not the first to suck but he is the worst main eventer in 10 years
Sid sucked more :o

[Twitch]

You act like HBK actually had a chance against Hogan.Seriously,Hogan really hasn't changed since the last time we saw him,why would he now?

I would be really happy If HBK wins the match even if he has to hit Hogan's old ass balls to do it :o. I want to see HBK vs. RVD ladder match or a HBK vs. Bengimen in my lifetime dammit :mad: :(

[John Constantine]

Pittsburgh was cheering Masters last night.There's something fishy there :confused:

I think it has a lot to do with maybe Masters improving a bit. He's put on a couple good matches and the fact that no one has broken his Masterlock yet has kinda legitimized him.....

[Hunter Rider]

Sid sucked more :o

m3h not really at least he had presence and a proper finisher,Cena can't even get a legit looking finisher