Wrestling

[Sabretooth]

I can't stand Hogan,but that is awesome ODSOB :up:

[Sabretooth]

http://www.wrestlezone.com/article.php?articleid=126483358

According to the PWTorch Newsletter, Shawn Michaels has been anything but a pushover so far in dealing with Hulk Hogan behind the scenes. Whenever Hogan says no to an idea, Michaels keeps it even by rejecting one of Hogan's ideas. Every time Hogan gives him a "That's not right for me, brother", Michaels shoots back to his ideas with a "no" of his own.

Despite the ongoing negotiations, they still have not come to an agreement regarding the end of the match for SummerSlam. It is unknown at this point whether they really will reach something that pleases them both.

Hogan and Michaels are said to not like, nor trust each other, which will certainly make for an interesting couple of days as negotiations continue.I'll bet anyone 20 bucks that Hogan won't even show up at SS

[Hunter Rider]

Yes i want him gone from wrestling but your art is excellent:up:

[0neDisturbedSOB]

I can't stand Hogan,but that is awesome ODSOB :up:

Oh come on man, Hogan is a classic, an original, an icon....a real american, fights for the.....oops sorry.

HBK has no chance against the big boot. :down

[Hunter Rider]

I'll bet anyone 20 bucks that Hogan won't even show up at SS

it's gonna be interesting,old father time like to win but lets be honest there is no point in Hogan winning ,

[Hunter Rider]

Oh come on man, Hogan is a classic, an original, an icon....a real american, fights for the.....oops sorry.

HBK has no chance against the big boot. :down

Hogan is an old man and totaly selfish and as for the boot ? well i guess if HBK comes off the ropes in slow motion it will give Hogan time to lift his tired old leg up:p

[0neDisturbedSOB]

No way man, NO ONE can get up after the big boot.....and if HBK gets the leg drop then it's all over for him.

Hogan has earned the right to be selfish.

Michaels has no right calling Hogan "old man" when Michael's hair is slowly starting to look like Hogans (notice that big ass bald spot he's got)

[Hunter Rider]

No way man, NO ONE can get up after the big boot.....and if HBK gets the leg drop then it's all over for him.

Hogan has earned the right to be selfish.

Michaels has no right calling Hogan "old man" when Michael's hair is slowly starting to look like Hogans (notice that big ass bald spot he's got)

your joking about this part right ? nobody gets up off the big boot cos the script says so simple as that

Plus how has Hogan earned the right to be selfish ,he's spent his entire career leeching of ppl more talented than him and screwing everyone else into the ground to stay at the top,he killed WCW with his selfishness and now at 52 years old and barely able to walk he is polluting WWE's rings again,his time went a long time ago and if he had any class he would retire

[Twitch]

No way man, NO ONE can get up after the big boot.....and if HBK gets the leg drop then it's all over for him.

Hogan has earned the right to be selfish.

Michaels has no right calling Hogan "old man" when Michael's hair is slowly starting to look like Hogans (notice that big ass bald spot he's got)

You must be ****ing retarded or kidding :confused:

[Jason Blood]

Hogan has no chance against the Sweet Chin Music

Hogan has no reason to win, while HBK can use this to push himself as a major heel

[0neDisturbedSOB]

Jesus Christ, you guys need to lighten up a bit....I forgot how testy wrestling geeks were.

Yes Twitch I am CLEARLY retarded for cracking a joke...how did you know? are you really a detective?

Sweet Chin Music is lame....hey let me stomp my foot and warn you before I try to kick you in the face....that'll sure as hell take you by surprise.

Stone Cold is better than all of them period.

[Hunter Rider]

Jesus Christ, you guys need to lighten up a bit....I forgot how testy wrestling geeks were.

Yes Twitch I am CLEARLY retarded for cracking a joke...how did you know? are you really a detective?

Sweet Chin Music is lame....hey let me stomp my foot and warn you before I try to kick you in the face....that'll sure as hell take you by surprise.

Stone Cold is better than all of them period.

eh ? no one was getting riled but the comment about sweet chin music shows you are....oh well
and as for SC he comes under the same cloud as Hogan another guy who couldn't wrestle but had a gimmick that sold to the mainstream

[0neDisturbedSOB]

I recall Austin and Benoit having a WRESTLING match a few years ago that was considered an instant classic. You'll also remember when he was The Ringmaster he almost exclusively used wrestling moves, it wasn't until the whole SCSA gimmick when he became a brawler.

It seems that you have a problem with popular wrestlers. You know SCSA kicked HBK's ass all over the place at WM16...is that why you don't like him?

I like HBK, but if you want to talk about "old man" then look no further than the only wrestler that refuses to cut the 80's hair (the ones he's not losing), and continues to come out in s**t he wore 15 years ago.

[Hunter Rider]

I recall Austin and Benoit having a WRESTLING match a few years ago that was considered an instant classic. You'll also remember when he was The Ringmaster he almost exclusively used wrestling moves, it wasn't until the whole SCSA gimmick when he became a brawler.

please instant classic ? i dont think so Benoit carried him through some basic moves and that was about it,compare it with Steamboat/Flair and itr looks like Tough enough wrestling

It seems that you have a problem with popular wrestlers. You know SCSA kicked HBK's ass all over the place at WM16...is that why you don't like him?

What on earth are you talking about? he didn't kick anyone's ass,he was the face HBK was the heel so he had to win,it's called a work,your talking as if wrestling is real:confused: as far as hating popular wrestlers.no i don't i hate gimmicks that make it to the top cos thay can sell a T-shirt but can't actualy wrestle


I like HBK, but if you want to talk about "old man" then look no further than the only wrestler that refuses to cut the 80's hair (the ones he's not losing), and continues to come out in s**t he wore 15 years ago.


you mean the same haircut that RVD,HHH,EDGE,Matt Hardy,Jeff Hardy and all those guys have ?
please by old im refering to a guy who never could wrestle in Hogan and the fact that now evey journalist covering SS is saying HBK is gonna have to work the entire match on his own cos Hogan can barely move

[Twitch]

I recall Austin and Benoit having a WRESTLING match a few years ago that was considered an instant classic. You'll also remember when he was The Ringmaster he almost exclusively used wrestling moves, it wasn't until the whole SCSA gimmick when he became a brawler.

It seems that you have a problem with popular wrestlers. You know SCSA kicked HBK's ass all over the place at WM16...is that why you don't like him?

I like HBK, but if you want to talk about "old man" then look no further than the only wrestler that refuses to cut the 80's hair (the ones he's not losing), and continues to come out in s**t he wore 15 years ago.

Now this is really retarded to say if you had followed the big disscusions we had in this thread. HBK is a freakin Legend if you like it or not.

PS. Did I metion that HBK would look real ugly if he cut his hair?

[The Batman]

I like Austin, but the only reason he beat HBK was because HBK had a back injury and was about to quit wrestling for good. plus, he had to pass on the role of "Main Eventer" to Austin.

But make no mistake, Austin can wrestle, and alot better than hogan

[Hunter Rider]

I like Austin, but the only reason he beat HBK was because HBK had a back injury and was about to quit wrestling for good. plus, he had to pass on the role of "Main Eventer" to Austin.

But make no mistake, Austin can wrestle, and alot better than hogan

being able to wrestle better than hogan isnt saying much but he lost a lot of that when he started wearing that brace,but he isnt in the same league as a performer as HBK,Benoit,Angle,Guerro or any of the true pure talents

[John Constantine]

I just don't see it as Cena is total crap,he can't wrestle at all so i see no reason why HBK should waste his time putting over a guy who is nowhere near good enough to carry the company

I don't get it,how come you guys are now accepting Cena ?:( he's the worst champ since Sid

I wouldn't say that. How about Big Show's first title reign? That was just as bad and they only put it on Show to justify spending big money to pry him from WCW in the first place.

To be honest, I never really minded Cena in the first place. Do I hate the fact that he has to pander now to the audience? Yes, that's the one problem I had with him lately. But beyond that, he seems like the typical WWE champion - gimmick over wrestling ability.

[Hunter Rider]

I wouldn't say that. How about Big Show's first title reign? That was just as bad and they only put it on Show to justify spending big money to pry him from WCW in the first place.

To be honest, I never really minded Cena in the first place. Do I hate the fact that he has to pander now to the audience? Yes, that's the one problem I had with him lately. But beyond that, he seems like the typical WWE champion - gimmick over wrestling ability.

But thats not typical recently,Orton,Lesnar,HHH,Rock,Benoit,Guerro,Angle these guys all had the belt and they wern't all crap in the ring like Cena is,the guy can barely cover the basics and this constant "i ifght for these ppl" and "real recognises real" crap just makes me want to puke

[0neDisturbedSOB]

please instant classic ? i dont think so Benoit carried him through some basic moves and that was about it,compare it with Steamboat/Flair and itr looks like Tough enough wrestling



What on earth are you talking about? he didn't kick anyone's ass,he was the face HBK was the heel so he had to win,it's called a work,your talking as if wrestling is real:confused: as far as hating popular wrestlers.no i don't i hate gimmicks that make it to the top cos thay can sell a T-shirt but can't actualy wrestle



you mean the same haircut that RVD,HHH,EDGE,Matt Hardy,Jeff Hardy and all those guys have ?
please by old im refering to a guy who never could wrestle in Hogan and the fact that now evey journalist covering SS is saying HBK is gonna have to work the entire match on his own cos Hogan can barely move

Christian = cut his hair
Jericho = cut his hair
Edge = cut his hair
Kidman = cut his hair
HBK = still sporting long hair and a massive bald spot

Yes I understand wrestling is fixed, but that's for stating the obvious for me. I was cracking a joke about "kicking his ass".....see what I meant about lighten up?

It seems to me like you're bitter about big name wrestlers overshadowing HBK. HBK IS a legend, one of the all time bests, but he is nowhere near the calibur of name recognition of Stone Cold, Rock or Hogan....it's a fact.

Besides, how many times has HBK "retired" now?

PS: Don't know if you knew this but Jeff Hardy isn't in WWE anymore....hasn't been for some time now.

[0neDisturbedSOB]

But thats not typical recently,Orton,Lesnar,HHH,Rock,Benoit,Guerro,Angle these guys all had the belt and they wern't all crap in the ring like Cena is,the guy can barely cover the basics and this constant "i ifght for these ppl" and "real recognises real" crap just makes me want to puke

Man, I smell some pretty obvious bitterness..... :eek:

[Twitch]

Christian = cut his hair
Jericho = cut his hair
Edge = cut his hair
Kidman = cut his hair
HBK = still sporting long hair and a massive bald spot

Yes I understand wrestling is fixed, but that's for stating the obvious for me. I was cracking a joke about "kicking his ass".....see what I meant about lighten up?

It seems to me like you're bitter about big name wrestlers overshadowing HBK. HBK IS a legend, one of the all time bests, but he is nowhere near the calibur of name recognition of Stone Cold, Rock or Hogan....it's a fact.

Besides, how many times has HBK "retired" now?

PS: Don't know if you knew this but Jeff Hardy isn't in WWE anymore....hasn't been for some time now.

You are so freakin retarded :down

He meant past WWE stupid for the Jeff Hardy Comment

[John Constantine]

But thats not typical recently,Orton,Lesnar,HHH,Rock,Benoit,Guerro,Angle these guys all had the belt and they wern't all crap in the ring like Cena is,the guy can barely cover the basics and this constant "i ifght for these ppl" and "real recognises real" crap just makes me want to puke

Even with most of those guys those, it was their gimmicks that got them over, not really their wrestling skill. Tell me, if Angle still wrestled the way he did his first month? You think he would've been a main-eventer? I honestly don't think so. He probably would've went the way of Dan Severn. Same with the Rock. Randy Orton got over with his "Legend Killer" gimmick and his membership in Evolution. Chris Benoit may be the one exception as he was the one that relied solely on his wrestling talent.

The WWE is honestly all gimmicked-based. Very rarely does a wrestler get over by his wrestling skill. If that were the case, Charlie Haas would still be in the WWE at the moment.

Now Cena is the typical guy the WWE can rely on - he has a good look, he can cut a killer promo if he wants to, and he can branch out beyond wrestling. It's probably why he was tagged to be the next big star for the company....

[Hunter Rider]

Christian = cut his hair
Jericho = cut his hair
Edge = cut his hair
Kidman = cut his hair
HBK = still sporting long hair and a massive bald spot


Edge cut his hair slightly shorter this moday oh wow:eek: and him and Y2J will grow it back so dont be so foolish
Yes I understand wrestling is fixed, but that's for stating the obvious for me. I was cracking a joke about "kicking his ass".....see what I meant about lighten up?

you need to start using smileys then:)

It seems to me like you're bitter about big name wrestlers overshadowing HBK. HBK IS a legend, one of the all time bests, but he is nowhere near the calibur of name recognition of Stone Cold, Rock or Hogan....it's a fact.

yes they are bigger main streeam stars BUT that doesnt mean they are better wrestlers just that marks like you are easily sold.Take Ric Flair wrestling wise he is the greatest and all his peers know it but hey Hogans made a few more crappy movies and prostituted his image all over the place like a tool so he is more recognised by joe soap who knows nothing of wrestling at all,yay go Hogan!:o

Besides, how many times has HBK "retired" now?
once how many timnes has Hogan retired ?


PS: Don't know if you knew this but Jeff Hardy isn't in WWE anymore....hasn't been for some time now.

Nice attempt at being clever but he;s still in the wrestling buisness so your point was ?

[Hunter Rider]

Man, I smell some pretty obvious bitterness..... :eek:

yes i am bitter that a guy that i dont know is not getting on Leno as often as Cena:rolleyes:
please if you had more respect for the craft of pro wrestling and were less awed by what WWE tells you to like maybe this disscussion could rise above junior high level

[Twitch]

yes i am bitter that a guy that i dont know is not getting on Leno as often as Cena:rolleyes:
please if you had more respect for the craft of pro wrestling and were less awed by what WWE tells you to like maybe this disscussion could rise above junior high level

ODSOB got PW3ND! :up:

[Hunter Rider]

Even with most of those guys those, it was their gimmicks that got them over, not really their wrestling skill. Tell me, if Angle still wrestled the way he did his first month? You think he would've been a main-eventer? I honestly don't think so. He probably would've went the way of Dan Severn. Same with the Rock. Randy Orton got over with his "Legend Killer" gimmick and his membership in Evolution. Chris Benoit may be the one exception as he was the one that relied solely on his wrestling talent.

The WWE is honestly all gimmicked-based. Very rarely does a wrestler get over by his wrestling skill. If that were the case, Charlie Haas would still be in the WWE at the moment.

Now Cena is the typical guy the WWE can rely on - he has a good look, he can cut a killer promo if he wants to, and he can branch out beyond wrestling. It's probably why he was tagged to be the next big star for the company....

Sorry John i respect you but honestly i see no defense for Cena,his promos are lame he acts like a total corporate stooge and he has no talent ,all the guys you mentioned even if they adapted have great in ring talent,Cena isnt even up to scratch as a mid carder

[0neDisturbedSOB]

Edge cut his hair slightly shorter this moday oh wow:eek: and him and Y2J will grow it back so dont be so foolish


you need to start using smileys then:)



yes they are bigger main streeam stars BUT that doesnt mean they are better wrestlers just that marks like you are easily sold.Take Ric Flair wrestling wise he is the greatest and all his peers know it but hey Hogans made a few more crappy movies and prostituted his image all over the place like a tool so he is more recognised by joe soap who knows nothing of wrestling at all,yay go Hogan!:o


once how many timnes has Hogan retired ?


Nice attempt at being clever but he;s still in the wrestling buisness so your point was ?

Ok then let's look at some more WRESTLERS....

Raven = cut his hair
Eddie = cut his hair
JBL = cut his hair
Jeff Hardy = CUT HIS HAIR.....nice try, but he did
http://jay_resogurl.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/lainyjeffy.jpg so much for that theory eh? Wait, I suspect you'll say "it's pulled back" so here's another...
http://www.wwe.com.tw/upload/news/JEFFH3.jpg

And I don't know if you knew this, but Edge's hair appearing short....means he cut it, and Jericho's hair continues to get shorter....don't be foolish. :eek:

I appreciate WRESTLERS, but I also appreciate ENTERTAINERS as well....remember, it's NOT REAL wrestling.

[John Constantine]

Sorry John i respect you but honestly i see no defense for Cena,his promos are lame he acts like a total corporate stooge and he has no talent ,all the guys you mentioned even if they adapted have great in ring talent,Cena isnt even up to scratch as a mid carder

Just think of him as another Hulk Hogan or Austin during his brawler days ;)

Seriously, that's what the WWE is trying to go for with him. And yeah, I agree his promos are pretty lame right now. That's why I prefer it if he's heel. At least when he was a heel he had way more intensity. That's actually my only problem with him....

[0neDisturbedSOB]

yes i am bitter that a guy that i dont know is not getting on Leno as often as Cena:rolleyes:
please if you had more respect for the craft of pro wrestling and were less awed by what WWE tells you to like maybe this disscussion could rise above junior high level

I was a wrestler in highscool....I respect the craft of WRESTLING, notice how it's called "Sports Entertainment" now? hmmm...I wonder why.

You remind me of one of those kids that still gets mad when someone says "that's not real". I have a tremendous amount of respect for what the guys in WWE do, but a diving headbutt from the top rope (Benoit) is NOT wrestling, nor is kicking someone in the face after stomping your foot like it's asleep.

I know it's the same as telling you there's no Santa Claus, but it's the truth.

[punishermax]

being able to wrestle better than hogan isnt saying much but he lost a lot of that when he started wearing that brace,but he isnt in the same league as a performer as HBK,Benoit,Angle,Guerro or any of the true pure talents

No, Austin is not nearly as good as these guys but his ring psychology, i.e. how to carry a match/the perfect time to use a spot, is right up there with all of these guys. Was Austin selfish and arrogant yes, did he forget that the reason he hated WCW was the same thing he was doing in the Attitude era with never putting guys over, yes, but don't completely discredit the guy just because he was selfish.

[Hunter Rider]

Ok then let's look at some more WRESTLERS....

Raven = cut his hair
Eddie = cut his hair
JBL = cut his hair
Jeff Hardy = CUT HIS HAIR.....nice try, but he did
http://jay_resogurl.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/lainyjeffy.jpg so much for that theory eh? Wait, I suspect you'll say "it's pulled back" so here's another...
http://www.wwe.com.tw/upload/news/JEFFH3.jpg

And I don't know if you knew this, but Edge's hair appearing short....means he cut it, and Jericho's hair continues to get shorter....don't be foolish. :eek:

you have a fixation with hair,those guys have cut it and let it grow back and you know it,but lets be real here,your clutching at straws cos there is no defense at al for Hogan,and you know HBK's hair is part of his gimmick and gee Edfe cut his hair like a week ago and what will you say when he grows it back ,please stop being silly Hogan has his hair dangling at the back cos it's part of his lok sinvce the 80's:eek: so that settles that


I appreciate WRESTLERS, but I also appreciate ENTERTAINERS as well....remember, it's NOT REAL wrestling.


personaly i like a wrestler who can do both and not ones that can only cut t-shirt line slogan promos and have a gimmick ..... ,but im picky like that:)

[0neDisturbedSOB]

ODSOB got PW3ND! :up:

Uh oh....internet geek terminology dead ahead. :eek:

[Hunter Rider]

I was a wrestler in highscool....I respect the craft of WRESTLING, notice how it's called "Sports Entertainment" now? hmmm...I wonder why.

You remind me of one of those kids that still gets mad when someone says "that's not real". I have a tremendous amount of respect for what the guys in WWE do, but a diving headbutt from the top rope (Benoit) is NOT wrestling, nor is kicking someone in the face after stomping your foot like it's asleep.

I know it's the same as telling you there's no Santa Claus, but it's the truth.

Oh please spare me,the craft of pro wrestling is in timing and the ability to convert high spots and chain wrestling into a story for the audience in a flowing continuity
the fact you love guys like Hogan and Austin who can't actualy do that without giving the game away shows your lack of respect

[0neDisturbedSOB]

you have a fixation with hair,those guys have cut it and let it grow back and you know it,but lets be real here,your clutching at straws cos there is no defense at al for Hogan,and you know HBK's hair is part of his gimmick and gee Edfe cut his hair like a week ago and what will you say when he grows it back ,please stop being silly Hogan has his hair dangling at the back cos it's part of his lok sinvce the 80's:eek: so that settles that



personaly i like a wrestler who can do both and not ones that can only cut t-shirt line slogan promos and have a gimmick ..... ,but im picky like that:)

If you honestly think HBK is a wrestler, then there is no need for this to continue.

[Hunter Rider]

If you honestly think HBK is a wrestler, then there is no need for this to continue.

HBK is a PRO WRESTLER simple as that he is great at PRO WRESTLING austin and Hogan cant do shoot wrestling and neither of them can PRO WRESTLE either

[Hunter Rider]

Just think of him as another Hulk Hogan or Austin during his brawler days ;)

Seriously, that's what the WWE is trying to go for with him. And yeah, I agree his promos are pretty lame right now. That's why I prefer it if he's heel. At least when he was a heel he had way more intensity. That's actually my only problem with him....

god another Hogan or Austin:down

[0neDisturbedSOB]

Oh please spare me,the craft of pro wrestling is in timing and the ability to convert high spots and chain wrestling into a story for the audience in a flowing continuity
the fact you love guys like Hogan and Austin who can't actualy do that without giving the game away shows your lack of respect

I feel sorry for you. Now go put on your HBK jammies and get ready for SummerSlam.

Because I like guys that entertain the crowd means I have no respect....hahahaha, oh man now I've heard it all. It's like me saying "the fact that you idolize an aging 'wrestler' that wears leather chaps and spandex with hearts on them means you are 'soft'"

I honestly laughed at that one.

Were you overweight in Highschool? this bitterness comes from somewhere.

[John Constantine]

god another Hogan or Austin:down

Yeah, but then again, Hogan and Austin are the two main WWE wrestlers that any fan knows of. Well those two and the Rock, but it seems like the WWE wants Randy Orton to be their version of the ROck now :o

[Hunter Rider]

I feel sorry for you. Now go put on your HBK jammies and get ready for SummerSlam.

Because I like guys that entertain the crowd means I have no respect....hahahaha, oh man now I've heard it all. It's like me saying "the fact that you idolize an aging 'wrestler' that wears leather chaps and spandex with hearts on them means you are 'soft'"

I honestly laughed at that one.

Were you overweight in Highschool? this bitterness comes from somewhere.

LOL ahh the internet at it's best the ickle wrestling mark gets told about how his little heroes are really ****e at what they do but cos easy money like himself is easily pleased he can't accept this so he starts throwing the latest little insult he learned at school today

BTW glad you liked the avatar i made:)

Bottom line kid,Hogan and Austin are the 2 biggest stars But they arent in the same league as HBK or Flair when they step through the ropes

[punishermax]

I was a wrestler in highscool....I respect the craft of WRESTLING, notice how it's called "Sports Entertainment" now? hmmm...I wonder why.

You remind me of one of those kids that still gets mad when someone says "that's not real". I have a tremendous amount of respect for what the guys in WWE do, but a diving headbutt from the top rope (Benoit) is NOT wrestling, nor is kicking someone in the face after stomping your foot like it's asleep.


The WWE calls it "Sports Entertainment", other than that most people still call it professional wrestling.

Your right in saying its not wrestlng, it professional wrestling, nobody here is saying that its real, they like discussing (or arguing) the inner workings of the business, that means having their own opinions of who they like, or don't like. If someone doesn't like Cena, or Hogan, they usually have the position of saying that they aren't nearly as good of performers as other guys in the business. Most people on this board don't like some of the main eventers because in the WWE a few of the main eventers can't wrestle that well, and if there wrong in having their own opinion, then thats just plain stupid.

[0neDisturbedSOB]

LOL ahh the internet at it's best the ickle wrestling mark gets told about how his little heroes are really ****e at what they do but cos easy money like himself is easily pleased he can't accept this so he starts throwing the latest little insult he learned at school today

BTW glad you liked the avatar i made:)

Bottom line kid,Hogan and Austin are the 2 biggest stars But they arent in the same league as HBK or Flair when they step through the ropes

Your avatars are fantastic....I was waiting for a mention of that...sadly predictible. :spidey:

I just find your obession with "real" wrestling to be funny...you don't even know what is really is, it cracks me up.

You're right "son"...they've surpassed their league. :eek:

PS: I'm a wrestling mark? I thought I didn't know anything about it, or respect it?....please make up your mind, and all this coming from someone who clearly has an obsession with a "wrestler"...I guess you told me off.

[Hunter Rider]

Your avatars are fantastic....I was waiting for a mention of that...sadly predictible. :spidey:

I just find your obession with "real" wrestling to be funny...you don't even know what is really is, it cracks me up.

You're right "son"...they've surpassed their league. :eek:

*sigh* seriously i want this to shift to a more adult level so i'll start again hence the avatar joke but anyway

As far as REAL wrestling goes everyone knows on this thread that wrestling is a work,we are talking about the ability to work in the ring and create great wrestling matches,something neither Hogan nor Austin can do,they were great at selling tickets but neither are great wrestlers but lets seperate the 2

Austin-great on the mic,hard worker and has had some matches of worth with guys like Hart,HHH,The Rock ,HBK,
he isnt a great athlete or performer as far as technique goes but he tries hard and he is a huge draw no one is disputing that

Hogan-charismatic and an amazing build other than that nothing his charisma won him over but his promos are lacking and his best work in that area was as a heel in WCW,he is the most selfish man in wrestling though and has killed more careers than anybody

Im not sure what you think of Cena so i wont mention him

As far as being passed their League,as stars to the mainstream ? yes definately but as far as credit amongst there peers ,well Ric Flair doesnt think so and thats good enough for me,given his status in the game and experience

[Hunter Rider]

PS: I'm a wrestling mark? I thought I didn't know anything about it, or respect it?....please make up your mind, and all this coming from someone who clearly has an obsession with a "wrestler"...I guess you told me off.

i was willing to try and make things civilised again but i see you added more verbage,basicaly a mark does know nothing of wrestling he just buys the t-shirt of the latest flavour of the month

[Hunter Rider]

One other thing,as far as the whole "obsessed" thing goes,this only started cos me and Sabertooth said Hogan was over the hill and we didn't like him,when we did that you got defensive and started attacking HBK....oh well nevermind it's all good by me if it's all good by you:)

[Twitch]

Uh oh....internet geek terminology dead ahead. :eek:

You are a such ****ing retard :down

[Sabretooth]

You are a such ****ing retard :down
I'm not going to become a part of this little gang war,but Twitch, using the word ''retard'' 4 times renders it meaningless.:( :p

[0neDisturbedSOB]

You are a such ****ing retard :down

Damn I guess you just told me off. BTW, Sabertooth is right....if I'm a retard, yet the only phrase you seem to be capable of uttering is "duh you're a retard" and give me the dreaded :down then what does that make you? I apologize if I'm not up to speed with the latest internet geek lingo....perhaps you could teach me?

Hunter - I agree and disagree with you. As far as Austin goes, he is NOT the best "wrestler" the WWE has ever seen, I never said that. What I did say is that he is without a doubt one of (if not THE) biggest draws the WWE or wrestling in general has ever seen. He's cut some of the best promos, had some of the best feuds (including Austin VS McMahon which I still say is THE BEST feud of all time) and surpassed every stereotype that wrestlers had about being "muscle heads"...not to mention he has given us some of the most memorable moments in wrestling history (beer truck anyone?)

As far as Hogan being the most selfish person I have to strongly disagree. I'd say that title goes to HHH, better known as "Ego H". He has got his nose so far up Vince's ass (and his you know what so far up Vince's daughter's ass) that he pretty much calls the shots. The title has become a joke because anyone feuding with him is pretty much a belt warmer until he wins it back for the 100th time. He is a good performer, but almost every wrestler dislikes him in some way....I wonder why. Hulk Hogan may be a lot of things, but you have to respect the fact that if it wasn't for him wrestling wouldn't be what it is today...he put wrestling on the map, period.

You can call me whatever clever little names you think of but if you honestly think I am clueless about professional wrestling then you're sadly mistaken. I've been a fan since I was 4yrs old. I've stuck with it when it was at it's high with Austin, Rock, DX...etc, and I've continued to stick with it during it's current slump, and the idiotic idea to split the rosters.

I can agree that there are more deserving people than Cena and Batista, but if everyone you disliked never got to be champ the rest of us wouldn't watch and wrestling wouldn't exist so get over yourself and your complaints about who is "real" and who isn't....really, no one cares. I happen to think Cena is entertaining. Is he the best performer? no, is he on the same level as HBK, Flair, Benoit...etc? Nope, but he connects with the crowd and the crowd is who decides who the next "big thing" (no not Lesnar) is going to be. Despite what you think about them, it is quite an accomplisment in itself to make 50,000+ people chant your name, or call you an a**hole on a weekly basis...so call them what you want, say what you want, but deal with it because you're only other alternative is to change the channel.

Make sense?

[Twitch]

Damn I guess you just told me off. BTW, Sabertooth is right....if I'm a retard, yet the only phrase you seem to be capable of uttering is "duh you're a retard" and give me the dreaded :down then what does that make you? I apologize if I'm not up to speed with the latest internet geek lingo....perhaps you could teach me?

Hunter - I agree and disagree with you. As far as Austin goes, he is NOT the best "wrestler" the WWE has ever seen, I never said that. What I did say is that he is without a doubt one of (if not THE) biggest draws the WWE or wrestling in general has ever seen. He's cut some of the best promos, had some of the best feuds (including Austin VS McMahon which I still say is THE BEST feud of all time) and surpassed every stereotype that wrestlers had about being "muscle heads"...not to mention he has given us some of the most memorable moments in wrestling history (beer truck anyone?)

As far as Hogan being the most selfish person I have to strongly disagree. I'd say that title goes to HHH, better known as "Ego H". He has got his nose so far up Vince's ass (and his you know what so far up Vince's daughter's ass) that he pretty much calls the shots. The title has become a joke because anyone feuding with him is pretty much a belt warmer until he wins it back for the 100th time. He is a good performer, but almost every wrestler dislikes him in some way....I wonder why. Hulk Hogan may be a lot of things, but you have to respect the fact that if it wasn't for him wrestling wouldn't be what it is today...he put wrestling on the map, period.

You can call me whatever clever little names you think of but if you honestly think I am clueless about professional wrestling then you're sadly mistaken. I've been a fan since I was 4yrs old. I've stuck with it when it was at it's high with Austin, Rock, DX...etc, and I've continued to stick with it during it's current slump, and the idiotic idea to split the rosters.

I can agree that there are more deserving people than Cena and Batista, but if everyone you disliked never got to be champ the rest of us wouldn't watch and wrestling wouldn't exist so get over yourself and your complaints about who is "real" and who isn't....really, no one cares. I happen to think Cena is entertaining. Is he the best performer? no, is he on the same level as HBK, Flair, Benoit...etc? Nope, but he connects with the crowd and the crowd is who decides who the next "big thing" (no not Lesnar) is going to be. Despite what you think about them, it is quite an accomplisment in itself to make 50,000+ people chant your name, or call you an a**hole on a weekly basis...so call them what you want, say what you want, but deal with it because you're only other alternative is to change the channel.

Make sense?

But the thing is a we already changed the channel, have you ever heard of TNA?

[0neDisturbedSOB]

But the thing is a we already changed the channel, have you ever heard of TNA?

If you've changed the channel then why still discuss what you apparently don't like?

Ever heard of moving on?

[Twitch]

If you've changed the channel then why still discuss what you apparently don't like?

Ever heard of moving on?

UGH, you disgust me look around the thread stupid, yeah we talk about the WWE and how its Crap and stuff. But once TNA gets that TV DEAL and builds up some competion. The WWE will better themselves

Get The Logic?

[Metamorpho1977]

I know it's the same as telling you there's no Santa Claus, but it's the truth.

There's no Santa Claus?!?!? What's that all about, I saw him last week with the easter bunny and Goldberg really wrestling.

[Hunter Rider]

Hunter - I agree and disagree with you. As far as Austin goes, he is NOT the best "wrestler" the WWE has ever seen, I never said that. What I did say is that he is without a doubt one of (if not THE) biggest draws the WWE or wrestling in general has ever seen. He's cut some of the best promos, had some of the best feuds (including Austin VS McMahon which I still say is THE BEST feud of all time) and surpassed every stereotype that wrestlers had about being "muscle heads"...not to mention he has given us some of the most memorable moments in wrestling history (beer truck anyone?)

I don't think we disagree that much on Austin as i said previously he did have some great feuds and some matches of worth and his iconic status is undeniable,my only knock on him is what i consider a personal lack of good in ring skills in the technical side(his phsycology is tight)but again as i pointed out,he was hampered greatly later on by multiple injuries,Among his many feuds i personaly thought the best thing he ever did was the WM17 match with The Rock,the 2 seemed to lose it as if no finish could be decided on and you could definately seee things were getting outv'e hand and the crowd felt it and the electricity was undeniable,
Austin worked hard and i have never questioned his deservedness just his in ring talent

As far as Hogan being the most selfish person I have to strongly disagree. I'd say that title goes to HHH, better known as "Ego H". He has got his nose so far up Vince's ass (and his you know what so far up Vince's daughter's ass) that he pretty much calls the shots. The title has become a joke because anyone feuding with him is pretty much a belt warmer until he wins it back for the 100th time. He is a good performer, but almost every wrestler dislikes him in some way....I wonder why. Hulk Hogan may be a lot of things, but you have to respect the fact that if it wasn't for him wrestling wouldn't be what it is today...he put wrestling on the map, period.

Hogan and Vince together put wrestling on the map but i again don't question what he did for the buissness but IMO he has bled it for everything it's worth and has never ever put the company or the fans before himself,his refusal to put over guys like Savage,Rude and Perfect when he was in his prime outways HHH's tricks as at least HHH has put over guys at the last 2 wrestlemanias
I also strongly believe at the age he is now (he can barely move) that he shouldn't be in the ring forcing other guys to carry him

You can call me whatever clever little names you think of but if you honestly think I am clueless about professional wrestling then you're sadly mistaken. I've been a fan since I was 4yrs old. I've stuck with it when it was at it's high with Austin, Rock, DX...etc, and I've continued to stick with it during it's current slump, and the idiotic idea to split the rosters.

Ive followed WWE for 15 years my only reason to call you a mark was that you seemed to be equating star status with in ring talent,if thats not the case then ok

I can agree that there are more deserving people than Cena and Batista, but if everyone you disliked never got to be champ the rest of us wouldn't watch and wrestling wouldn't exist so get over yourself and your complaints about who is "real" and who isn't....really, no one cares. I happen to think Cena is entertaining. Is he the best performer? no, is he on the same level as HBK, Flair, Benoit...etc? Nope, but he connects with the crowd and the crowd is who decides who the next "big thing" (no not Lesnar) is going to be. Despite what you think about them, it is quite an accomplisment in itself to make 50,000+ people chant your name, or call you an a**hole on a weekly basis...so call them what you want, say what you want, but deal with it because you're only other alternative is to change the channel.

as far as "getting over myself" im sorry if the fact i like my main eventers to be able to perform at the highest level when in the main event makes you feel that way
What your saying about wrestling being entertainment is true,as far as you not watching if guys like Cena etc wern't champs,erm im not sure why that would be the case but i will say this Austin worked hard to get where he is and even though i don't think he was a great in ring performer he was a competent pro,the same goes for Hogan,my beef with Cena is that he is ALL gimmick,he makes so many mistakes it's embarrasing so yeah i think it sucks that guys 10 times his talent are forced to job to him,i accept it but it doesnt mean i wont say i think it's pathetic

[0neDisturbedSOB]

UGH, you disgust me look around the thread stupid, yeah we talk about the WWE and how its Crap and stuff. But once TNA gets that TV DEAL and builds up some competion. The WWE will better themselves

Get The Logic?

You seriously need a life you know that.

You sit on your computer all day in a wrestling thread and let people bother you so much that you resort to "you disgust me" and the ever so clever "duh you're retarded".

Get out, get laid, do something for crying out loud.

I do notice that you dropped the "retard" line, strike a nerve with you?

[Twitch]

You seriously need a life you know that.

You sit on your computer all day in a wrestling thread and let people bother you so much that you resort to "you disgust me" and the ever so clever "duh you're retarded".

Get out, get laid, do something for crying out loud.

I do notice that you dropped the "retard" line, strike a nerve with you?

Whatever, Now for the fact of having no life. Look around the Hype, how many people are here including you?

According to you 23,558 people have no life.

Now if you have a life (outside of making Photoshop Ipod pictures and posting them) piss off and leave the hype.

[3dman27]

i have a couple of questions
1 when i tried to watch the web exclusive super stacy vs victoria match up from heat[ which america ISN'T seeing so this weeks heat can be a summerslam infoimercial] all i got was a statticky soundtrack and a frozen shot of the heat enterance ramp wassup withthat?
2 any predictions for summerslam? :spidey: :thing:

[Hunter Rider]

i have a couple of questions
1 when i tried to watch the super stacy vs victoria match up from heat[ which america ISN'T seeing so this weeks heat can be a summerslam infoimercial] all i got was a statticky soundtrack and a frozen shot of the heat enterance ramp wassup withthat?
2 any predictions for summerslam?

1.WWE's vids always stick other than that im not sure
2,by predictions do you mean winners and losers or predictions on the quality of the matches ?

[3dman27]

your picks for winners and loosers

[Hunter Rider]

your picks for winners and loosers

ok

Benoit/Jordan
Im going with Benoit,Jordan has nothing to offer and Carlito should be on the PPV instead,i think the WWE will use Benoit to reboot the US divison

Angle/Eugene
I Think Angle will win as he's next in line for a title shot

Hardy/Edge
Double DQ cop out is my bet

Rey/Eddie
Toguh call,Rey needs to win in order for this overlong angle to die but Eddie can't keep losing ,so i have a feeling Eddie will win

Cena/Y2J
We know Cena will win as Y2J is going to take a break directly after SS

Batista/JBL
Batista will win,i don't see them putting the strap back on JBL

Orton/Taker
Orton has to go over this time if he's gonna be a player on SD

HBK/Hogan
I honestly don't know,they will be hard pushed to make this result satisfactory IMO,neither want to lose and WWE can't use the double DQ trick,however this one ends i expect it to be controversial

[Sabretooth]

I agree with pretty much all of those predictions.I also don't know how HBK/Hogan will go.Hogan has put people over in the past few years,but it seems like him and HBK are conflicting backstage.Like I said earlier,I'll bet anyone 20 bucks that Hogan won't even show up.:o

[Hunter Rider]

I agree with pretty much all of those predictions.I also don't know how HBK/Hogan will go.Hogan has put people over in the past few years,but it seems like him and HBK are conflicting backstage.Like I said earlier,I'll bet anyone 20 bucks that Hogan won't even show up.:o

You know my view on Hogan but i honestly believe he still loves being out there in front of the crowd and if he no-shows not only would it mean the end of any future appearences for WWE but also a fan backlash from those that payed to see him

[Sabretooth]

You know my view on Hogan but i honestly believe he still loves being out there in front of the crowd and if he no-shows not only would it mean the end of any future appearences for WWE but also a fan backlash from those that payed to see him
Still,him and HBK are supposedly being real pushovers about this match.Nothing's satisfying them.And if it doesn't go Hogan's way,he'll probably show it.One way or another

[Hunter Rider]

Still,him and HBK are supposedly being real pushovers about this match.Nothing's satisfying them.And if it doesn't go Hogan's way,he'll probably show it.One way or another

Tobe honest after seeing that pathetic display by Hogan on RAW in the Angle match im convinced the match itself will be total arse but it's drawing point of interest for me is to see how controversial the finish is

On a side note,ive never hid my disgust at Cena's wwe title reign but i'll give credit where it's due,he's obviously being putting in some hard work in the ring as he was very polished in the handicap match on RAW,i was shocked and even a bit impressed:up: now if only they would let him cut a promo without having to suck up

[0neDisturbedSOB]

Whatever, Now for the fact of having no life. Look around the Hype, how many people are here including you?

According to you 23,558 people have no life.

Now if you have a life (outside of making Photoshop Ipod pictures and posting them) piss off and leave the hype.

Illustrator actually, and I've got WAY more than iPod ads posted.

Why would I leave the hype? a friend of mine runs the site, and it happens to be my favorite place....I mean afterall, I get to meet "special" people like you. :up:

[Twitch]

Illustrator actually, and I've got WAY more than iPod ads posted.

Why would I leave the hype? a friend of mine runs the site, and it happens to be my favorite place....I mean afterall, I get to meet "special" people like you. :up:

Now you got me pissed with that "special" comment I have cerbral pausy in my damm legs and I may be going deaf later in life. So if you're basically saying retard, then get your sorry ass back to the Fan Art fourm before I get really Angry. :up:

[Hunter Rider]

Now you got me pissed with that "special" comment I have cerbral pausy in my damm legs and I may be going deaf later in life. So if you're basically saying retard, then get your sorry ass back to the Fan Art fourm before I get really Angry. :up:

are you serious Twitch ?
If so man you do a great job on here:up:
until this argument here ive never seen you get angry
keep strong my friend:up:

[3dman27]

gentlemen gentlemen,
can we please keep this thread on topic ?thank you

[Twitch]

are you serious Twitch ?
If so man you do a great job on here:up:
until this argument here ive never seen you get angry
keep strong my friend:up:

Its true, Hunt
a couple years ago I have to go through the worst pain in life to correct it. I wear braces on my legs to keep em straight while I'm walking. That's how I started watching wrestling HBK, RVD, Shelton, The Hardy Boys etc motivate me :up:

[Hunter Rider]

Its true, Hunt
a couple years ago I have to go through the worst pain in life to correct it. I wear braces on my legs to keep em straight while I'm walking. That's how I started watching wrestling HBK, RVD, Shelton, The Hardy Boys etc motivate me :up:
Good to hear you stay positive man:up: I can't pretend to know what you have to go through but your attitude is impressive

[Twitch]

Good to hear you stay positive man:up: I can't pretend to know what you have to go through but your attitude is impressive

I don't want anyone feeling sorry for me, just treated like everybody else. I agree my attitude is pretty badass :o:up:

[Hunter Rider]

I don't want anyone feeling sorry for me, just treated like everybody else. I agree my attitude is pretty badass :o:up:

Indeed:D :mad: :up:
so you watching summerslam ?

[Twitch]

Indeed:D :mad: :up:
so you watching summerslam ?

I don't have a PPV box :(

I would have like to seen Matt beat the **** out of Edge :o and I really want HBK to win the match even if its cheating.

[Hunter Rider]

I don't have a PPV box :(

I would have like to seen Matt beat the **** out of Edge :o and I really want HBK to win the match even if its cheating.

I have no idea how the hogan/HBK match will end but i expect Matt and Edge to let it all out:mad: :up:

[Twitch]

I have no idea how the hogan/HBK match will end but i expect Matt and Edge to let it all out:mad: :up:

You know what they should have is Make Lita Special Reffree (sp?) :up:

Oh and hunt can you resize this?

http://content.ytmnd.com//126000/126878/image.gif

[3dman27]

You know what they should have is Make Lita Special Reffree (sp?) :up:


sounds good to me

[0neDisturbedSOB]

Now you got me pissed with that "special" comment I have cerbral pausy in my damm legs and I may be going deaf later in life. So if you're basically saying retard, then get your sorry ass back to the Fan Art fourm before I get really Angry. :up:

Actually the "special" comment wasn't directed towards anything physical, it was more you're overuse of the word "retard".

Not so nice when someone uses your own word against you is it?

To be honest with you, I admire anyone who can overcome a physical or mental obstacle. If you've started walking again then I applaud your courage.

In all fairness though, I would watch what you say to other people...especially if you're going to go around calling everyone a retard you can't expect sympathy back.

Enough of this already....

HBK will win because they will do another "screwjob" only this time it'll be scripted.

[Twitch]

Actually the "special" comment wasn't directed towards anything physical, it was more you're overuse of the word "retard".

Not so nice when someone uses your own word against you is it?

To be honest with you, I admire anyone who can overcome a physical or mental obstacle. If you've started walking again then I applaud your courage.

In all fairness though, I would watch what you say to other people...especially if you're going to go around calling everyone a retard you can't expect sympathy back.


Enough of this already....

HBK will win because they will do another "screwjob" only this time it'll be scripted.

I'm not asking for sympathy, I called you a retard in the mind considering you came off to me as a guy that thought Stone Cold and The Rock are the greatest wrestlers of all time. Which isn't true at all IMO.

[0neDisturbedSOB]

I'm not asking for sympathy, I called you a retard in the mind considering you came off to me as a guy that thought Stone Cold and The Rock are the greatest wrestlers of all time. Which isn't true at all IMO.

So basically you called me retarded for having an opinion that was different from yours.

I get it now.

[Twitch]

So basically you called me retarded for having an opinion that was different from yours.

I get it now.


Well good for you, you realized my screwup :up:

But Note if you followed this Wrestling thread up to this day, you would have already known our opinions and reasons for not thinking SCSA or the Rock aren't the best.

You can leave in peace now :)

[Hunter Rider]

You know what they should have is Make Lita Special Reffree (sp?) :up:

Oh and hunt can you resize this?

http://content.ytmnd.com//126000/126878/image.gif

http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/282/sq5vu.gif here ya go,had to cut it 75x50 to keep the right shape

[Twitch]

http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/282/sq5vu.gif here ya go,had to cut it 75x50 to keep the right shape

Sweet :up:

[Hunter Rider]

Sweet :up:

;) :up:

[0neDisturbedSOB]

Well good for you, you realized my screwup :up:

But Note if you followed this Wrestling thread up to this day, you would have already known our opinions and reasons for not thinking SCSA or the Rock aren't the best.

You can leave in peace now :)

I think I'll keep my opinions, and I'll stick around but thanks :up:

[Twitch]

I think I'll keep my opinions, and I'll stick around but thanks :up:

anytime :up:

[Sabretooth]

Backstage news & possible *spoilers* for WWE Summerslam
Submitted by Brian Cantor on Saturday, August 20, 2005 at 4:05 PM EST





- As reported, the original plan was for Hulk Hogan to defeat Shawn Michaels at the Summerslam PPV. The only way that plan would potentially change is if WWE is going with a rematch at Unforgiven, at which point, the two would split victories (with Michaels likely taking the first).

To reiterate, Bret Hart will not be working the PPV.

- Kurt Angle is set to move into the title picture next month, so he needs to come off as a credible main-event heel in his match with Eugene.

- John Cena was set to defeat Chris Jericho and leave Summerslam with the title still around his waist.

- The stipulation in the JBL vs. Batista match assures that it will be an all-out brawl, which as has been demonstrated many times in the past, is the far better solution for a match involving these two wrestlers.

Source: WrestlingObserver
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Great,looks like Hogan and HBK is going to go on after SS.:rolleyes: But,as long as HBK continues what he's doing,I might not care :up:

[Hunter Rider]

Oh god,after seeing that match with Angle on RAW Hogan just needs to retire

[Jason Blood]

it seems as though there's some wrestler at Wal-Mart signing autographs

I'm gonna go check it out

I'm guessing it's Ivan Koloff, since he was there like last year or something

[punishermax]

Source: WrestlingObserver

- While WWE's opinion of Matt Hardy has soured in recent weeks, the company remains very high on Edge and plans to continue his push through the PPV. Thus, the match carries far more weight for Matt Hardy, who needs a big performance to secure reasonable television attention after the feud comes to an end.

- Many backstage have been disappointed with WWE's utilization of Chris Benoit since the recent Draft Lottery; the fact that his Summerslam match generally comes off as "filler" only furthers that frustration. There has been a backstage push to give Chris Benoit the US Title as a way of giving him some sort of direction on TV, but that is not the confirmed PPV outcome.


Hopefully this'll happen, so that it gives the U.S. title creiability again

[Hunter Rider]

Source: PWInsider.com

A week or so ago it was being said that Batista would be in a program with Eddie Guerrero after SummerSlam while Rey Mysterio would be in one with Randy Orton. Now, there is talk that WWE might go right to Orton vs. Batista after SummerSlam. We will have more on this as we get it.




Good idea IMO,get it out the way with so they can work on a better feud for Mania

[The Ghoul]

I'm not getting Summerslam. I got Sacrifice last week & I better knowing I payed 5$ less for a ppv 5x better.

[Hunter Rider]

Credit: PWInsider.com


Jeff Hardy, recently stated in an interview that he was to blame for being suspended from TNA and he said he was surprised but thankful that TNA brought him back. Hardy is expected to be given a major push once TNA debuts on Spike TV.

[Twitch]

Credit: PWInsider.com


Jeff Hardy, recently stated in an interview that he was to blame for being suspended from TNA and he said he was surprised but thankful that TNA brought him back. Hardy is expected to be given a major push once TNA debuts on Spike TV.

Sweet, for some dumb reason I only saw him perform on Impact once in a match. :confused:

Matt is forever screwed after the Edge storyline :(

[Jason Blood]

it seems as though there's some wrestler at Wal-Mart signing autographs

I'm gonna go check it out

I'm guessing it's Ivan Koloff, since he was there like last year or something


I ended up not going

[Sabretooth]

Sweet, for some dumb reason I only saw him perform on Impact once in a match. :confused:

Matt is forever screwed after the Edge storyline :(
Not if Matt leaves after the feud.Like,after SS he leaves and goes to TNA and reunites for Jeff and help out and make an even more kick ass tag team division!:mad: :up:

[Hunter Rider]

Ive just finished watching SD and after the embarrasment that was Hogan/Angle on RAW it was cool to see a great main event in a wwe ring,Orton/Benoit was a great match and hopefully a feud between the 2 is in future plans:up:

Ya know humiliation is a given for HBK tonight so i think Shawn should just give in and let Hogan have the win to stroke his massive ego and then HBK can move on to putting over one of WWE's young up and comers and hopefully Hogan can finally retire

[Lobo]

Hogan and Flair will never retire there gonna die in the ring :(

[Hunter Rider]

Hogan and Flair will never retire there gonna die in the ring :(

The thing is Flair can still hold is end up in a match

[Lobo]

I know but still Hogan vs Flair Wrestlemania 22 <--- You know the sad thing is WWE actually thinks like that :(

[Hunter Rider]

I know but still Hogan vs Flair Wrestlemania 22 <--- You know the sad thing is WWE actually thinks like that :(

I heard they want Austin/Hogan at WM22 but 2 things stand in the way

1)Hogan keeps putting Austin down in interviews
2)Austin is to smart to fall into the Hogan money trap,he knows it takes a great athlete who can throw hinself around to carry Hogan and the match would only degrade his great Mania legacy

[Lobo]

Yeah i've heard about the Austin/Hogan thing. RVD vs Kurt now there's a feud I'd like to see

[Hunter Rider]

Yeah i've heard about the Austin/Hogan thing. RVD vs Kurt now there's a feud I'd like to see

That would be an awesome feud ,id also like to see HBK/Benjamin and Lesnar/Orton

[Sabretooth]

Lesnar should feud with batista,though they'll probably have him as a jobber for the first year he's there.

[punishermax]

Lesnar should feud with batista,though they'll probably have him as a jobber for the first year he's there.
If Lesnar comes back they can't have him be a jobber, and then push him to the main event it would ruin his character. If he comes back they have to push him in the main event right away.

[Hunter Rider]

If Lesnar comes back they can't have him be a jobber, and then push him to the main event it would ruin his character. If he comes back they have to push him in the main event right away.

I agree,wwe needs swallow their pride and do whats best for the company

[3dman27]

fat chance of that that'd mean putting wrestling first and soap oper a far distant second

[Sabretooth]

I know this is a bit of a stretch,but what if tonight,after a bloody fight,Matt Hardy has Edge down and looks like he's going to pin him,but then he picks up Edge,they smile,shake hands,etc. and then say that this whole love triangle was made up?

[3dman27]

I agree,wwe needs swallow their pride and do whats best for the company
to me that'd mean not useing fre ppv heats for infomercials for example the superstacy vs victoria match would be seen tonight btw anybody know who WON that match?

[Jason Blood]

I know this is a bit of a stretch,but what if tonight,after a bloody fight,Matt Hardy has Edge down and looks like he's going to pin him,but then he picks up Edge,they smile,shake hands,etc. and then say that this whole love triangle was made up?
that would absolutely KILL Matt's momentum

I would say that he needs to switch back over to Smackdown, but I'm not so sure anymore

[Jason Blood]

Here's my Summerslam predictions!

United States Champion Orlando Jordan vs. Chris Benoit

Benoit's gonna take this one, as he's rumored to start up a feud with Regal, and OJ's going NOWHERE

Eddie Guerrero vs. Rey Mysterio

Eddie's gonna win this one, but Rey's going to somehow get his son back anyway

Eugene vs. Kurt Angle

Kurt Angle is going to win back his gold medals, and set himself up for a match against Cena

Randy Orton vs. Undertaker

Orton cheats to win, so he can feud with Batista

Edge vs. Matt Hardy

Someone's gonna get DQ'ed, and there's gonna be a HUGE brawl

World Heavyweight Champion Batista vs. JBL

Batista's gonna take that title home with him tonight, even if he needs help walking afterwards

WWE Champion John Cena vs. Chris Jericho

Cena gets a clean win after Jericho tries to cheat (*cough*BS*cough*)

Shawn Michaels vs. Hulk Hogan

HBK wins it baby!

HBK needs this win to push himself all the way to the top, after he's been feuding with EVERYONE on Raw and keeping himself out of the main event picture

[Shifty]

Lesnar should feud with batista,though they'll probably have him as a jobber for the first year he's there.

He probably won't be champ for the first year, but with the heat he'll get and how they'll handle his character he'll probably win half his matches.

[jackcool]

Sweet, for some dumb reason I only saw him perform on Impact once in a match. :confused:

Matt is forever screwed after the Edge storyline :(

Probably. Johnny Ace totally hates Matt Hardy. Probably a reason why Hardy was wrestling in the Cruiserweight division on Smackdown. Johnny Ace sucks anyways. He's probably the reason why we have Animal and Heidenreich as the tag team champions at the moment.

[Sabretooth]

Probably. Johnny Ace totally hates Matt Hardy. Probably a reason why Hardy was wrestling in the Cruiserweight division on Smackdown. Johnny Ace sucks anyways. He's probably the reason why we have Animal and Heidenreich as the tag team champions at the moment.
And,him and Edge are really good friends,I wouldn't be suprised if Edge won tonight.:o


I see your back as jackcool.Is it permanent?

[jackcool]

Yeah, for the time being....

It's really not going to be surprising to see Edge go over. Edge is probably set for a main-event push. Hardy will probably be Sunday Night Heat fodder soon :(

It's just too bad Christian can't get the same rub-off Edge is getting. The WWE seems to have no confidence in him whatsoever, despite the fact that Christian is just as over as Edge is with the crowd and he could be a great main-event wrestler for Smackdown.

[Hunter Rider]

Yeah, for the time being....

It's really not going to be surprising to see Edge go over. Edge is probably set for a main-event push. Hardy will probably be Sunday Night Heat fodder soon :(

It's just too bad Christian can't get the same rub-off Edge is getting. The WWE seems to have no confidence in him whatsoever, despite the fact that Christian is just as over as Edge is with the crowd and he could be a great main-event wrestler for Smackdown.

is that you constantine ?:eek:
I agree,it was sad to see Christian beaten up by the mexicools on a show that feature orlando jordan and hiedenriech with belts

awesome match with Benoit and Orton though IMO:up:

[Sabretooth]

It looks like they're gonna push Christian as a face,which is one of the most retarded moves ever.Christian is a great heel,and he could be a great opponent for Benoit in the US title division :up:

[jackcool]

is that you constantine ?:eek:
I agree,it was sad to see Christian beaten up by the mexicools on a show that feature orlando jordan and hiedenriech with belts

awesome match with Benoit and Orton though IMO:up:

Yeah ;)

I'm hoping Christian feuding with the Mexicools could get some interesting matches. Plus, it would be a great way to bring up Johnny Swinger as Christian's buddy. After-all, the two are pretty good friends in real-life. Still, I would kill to see Christian fight for the US title or the heavyweight title

[jackcool]

It looks like they're gonna push Christian as a face,which is one of the most retarded moves ever.Christian is a great heel,and he could be a great opponent for Benoit in the US title division :up:

Not really. I think Christian can work as both a face and as a heel. Just as long as they don't pussy out his character too much (coughcough*CenaOrton*coughcough), it could work.

[Hunter Rider]

Yeah ;)

I'm hoping Christian feuding with the Mexicools could get some interesting matches. Plus, it would be a great way to bring up Johnny Swinger as Christian's buddy. After-all, the two are pretty good friends in real-life. Still, I would kill to see Christian fight for the US title or the heavyweight title

yeah a Benoit/Christian program for the US title would be awesome IMO

Was it just me or did Cena seem much more polished in the ring this past week on RAW ? I'm now interested in his match with Y2J tonight to see if he can continue improving

[Sabretooth]

Not really. I think Christian can work as both a face and as a heel. Just as long as they don't pussy out his character too much (coughcough*CenaOrton*coughcough), it could work.
I dunno,I just think Christian is one of those people who should just stay heel.Though I felt the same way about Cena and Orton,and look how they turned out :(

[Sabretooth]

yeah a Benoit/Christian program for the US title would be awesome IMO

Was it just me or did Cena seem much more polished in the ring this past week on RAW ? I'm now interested in his match with Y2J tonight to see if he can continue improving
Never thought I'd see the day where you are actually interested in Cena ;)

[jackcool]

I dunno,I just think Christian is one of those people who should just stay heel.Though I felt the same way about Cena and Orton,and look how they turned out :(

But look at his current gimmick. It's a lot like the Rock's. The whole "Peeps" thing. It could make a smooth transition to the face side. With Cena and Orton though, they made a total change of what made them popular in the first place when they turned. That's why it didn't work out.

[Twitch]

I would like to see in the US title scene with real storylines like last year's SummerSlam (Booker T vs. Cena best of five match)

Benoit
Christian
Mysterio
Gurrero
Booker T
Paul London
Hardy-might not happen :(

[Hunter Rider]

Never thought I'd see the day where you are actually interested in Cena ;)

:D I used to like him when he first started but he has become overhyped for his meager ability and they have really hurt his character with the suck up promo's filled with T-shirt slogans they are making him use

He has natural charisma so im just pleased to see that he's worked hard to bring his ring work up to a higher level,Feuds with Angle and Edge should ready him for a WM22 match with HBK :up:

[Jason Blood]

I'm pretty sure the Mexicools jumped Christian because he's injured or something

[Sabretooth]

But look at his current gimmick. It's a lot like the Rock's. The whole "Peeps" thing. It could make a smooth transition to the face side. With Cena and Orton though, they made a total change of what made them popular in the first place when they turned. That's why it didn't work out.
The only person WWE seem to be interested in as the next Rock though is Orton,and I guess Cena.

[jackcool]

:D I used to like him when he first started but he has become overhyped for his meager ability and they have really hurt his character with the suck up promo's filled with T-shirt slogans they are making him use

He has natural charisma so im just pleased to see that he's worked hard to bring his ring work up to a higher level,Feuds with Angle and Edge should ready him for a WM22 match with HBK :up:

That's what I've been saying from the start ;)

[Sabretooth]

I would like to see in the US title scene with real storylines like last year's SummerSlam (Booker T vs. Cena best of five match)

Benoit
Christian
Mysterio
Gurrero
Booker T
Paul London
Hardy-might not happen :(
I'd like Orton in there too.He could maybe alternate between heavyweight and US titles :up:

[Hunter Rider]

But look at his current gimmick. It's a lot like the Rock's. The whole "Peeps" thing. It could make a smooth transition to the face side. With Cena and Orton though, they made a total change of what made them popular in the first place when they turned. That's why it didn't work out.

It didn't work out for Orton but whilst i agree with you on Cena the pops he's getting suggest it hasnt hurt his popularity

[Sabretooth]

It didn't work out for Orton but whilst i agree with you on Cena the pops he's getting suggest it hasnt hurt his popularity
Yet.:o

[jackcool]

It didn't work out for Orton but whilst i agree with you on Cena the pops he's getting suggest it hasnt hurt his popularity

Yeah, he still gets huge pops. But I much preferred his heel character to his face character. His heel character had a lot of intensity and aggressiveness that's missing when he became a face.

[Hunter Rider]

That's what I've been saying from the start ;)

yeah:p I just didn't believe until i actualy saw him in the ring with Y2J and CCC the other night that he could improve his ring game
They really need to give him freedom on the mic though

[Hunter Rider]

Yeah, he still gets huge pops. But I much preferred his heel character to his face character. His heel character had a lot of intensity and aggressiveness that's missing when he became a face.

I agree totaly,I guess it all depends on if the crowd tire of the "I fight for these ppl" schtick

[Jason Blood]

Matt Hardy lost?

what the hell?

[Sabretooth]

Matt Hardy lost?

what the hell?
Huh? :confused:

[Sabretooth]

Told ya so :o

[Jason Blood]

Huh? :confused:

SummerSlam: Edge w/ Lita vs. Matt Hardy

Sunday, August 21, 2005; Posted 5:27 PM (PST)

Here we go, it's now time for the straight up brawl... I guess if we see wrestling moves in this thing, that it's been a definite work from the beginning.

Matt Hardy vs. Edge w/ Lita
This starts out as a straight up brawl, but very very slowly becomes a wrestling match. A good spot early on was Edge spearing Hardy from in the ring to the outside through the ropes as Hardy was on the apron. Despite this being a match, there are some real punches being thrown between the two. Edge throws Hardy on the ring post, and he begins to bleed big time. After Edge gives a legit kick to the face, the referee stops the match, and Edge wins this.
Winner: Edge

After the match, two refs help Hardy to the back. I do believe that last kick was legit, and Hardy just got his ass handed to him by Adam Copeland.

(credit www.world-wrestling.net)

[WickerPerson]

Wow, both matches were as short as hell, not sure how they'll keep this going till 11

[jackcool]

yeah:p I just didn't believe until i actualy saw him in the ring with Y2J and CCC the other night that he could improve his ring game
They really need to give him freedom on the mic though

Well I think every wrestler can improve in the ring. They just need more time actually wrestling and getting to know their techniques. Well not every wrestler, Gene Snitsky's a hopeless cause :p

And yeah, he definitely needs freedom on the mic. I thought he would've gotten that when he moved to Raw.....:(

[jackcool]

I agree totaly,I guess it all depends on if the crowd tire of the "I fight for these ppl" schtick

Then that just means a heel turn would happen :)

[Sabretooth]

SummerSlam: Edge w/ Lita vs. Matt Hardy

Sunday, August 21, 2005; Posted 5:27 PM (PST)

Here we go, it's now time for the straight up brawl... I guess if we see wrestling moves in this thing, that it's been a definite work from the beginning.

Matt Hardy vs. Edge w/ Lita
This starts out as a straight up brawl, but very very slowly becomes a wrestling match. A good spot early on was Edge spearing Hardy from in the ring to the outside through the ropes as Hardy was on the apron. Despite this being a match, there are some real punches being thrown between the two. Edge throws Hardy on the ring post, and he begins to bleed big time. After Edge gives a legit kick to the face, the referee stops the match, and Edge wins this.
Winner: Edge

After the match, two refs help Hardy to the back. I do believe that last kick was legit, and Hardy just got his ass handed to him by Adam Copeland.

(credit www.world-wrestling.net)
I knew that was going to happen,but i'm still pissed.:(

[Twitch]

I'd like Orton in there too.He could maybe alternate between heavyweight and US titles :up:

What could be really cool is that Orton pulls a Jericho and becomes Undistputed Champion.

(That could also possibly set up another SDvsRaw match for Mania when Jericho returns from break :up:)

[Jason Blood]

Wow, both matches were as short as hell, not sure how they'll keep this going till 11

Hogan's posing's gonna take a looong time

[jackcool]

At least they finally got the US title out of OJ's hands. Maybe now, the US title can be brought back to respectability.....

[Jason Blood]

I knew that was going to happen,but i'm still pissed.:(

it makes absolutely NO SENSE AT ALL

they shouldn't have even bothered with Matt's shirt if they were going to make him job to Edge

[jackcool]

it makes absolutely NO SENSE AT ALL

they shouldn't have even bothered with Matt's shirt if they were going to make him job to Edge

Like I said, Johnny Ace hates Matt. And they're trying to push Edge as a main-eventer. It was really no doubt that Edge was going to go over in this instance.

[Sabretooth]

I honestly don't know what Matt was thinking when he signed with WWE.Should've went to TNA.COuld've been explosive....

[jackcool]

Money. He probably got a lot of money signing with the WWE.

[Twitch]

Hogan's posing's gonna take a looong time

Actually it was rumored that HBK will win tonight, but the fuend will continue to Unforgiven and Hogan will have the last laugh :(

[Sabretooth]

Actually it was rumored that HBK will win tonight, but the fuend will continue to Unforgiven and Hogan will have the last laugh :(
It should go the other way around :(

[Jason Blood]

Actually it was rumored that HBK will win tonight, but the fuend will continue to Unforgiven and Hogan will have the last laugh :(

that's not what I meant, and besides if you read MY predictions, then you would know that I already think that HBK's gonna win

Hogan NEVER stops posing

[Sabretooth]

As pissed off as I am at Matt losing,at least Benoit is champ :up:

[White_Howling]

how did matt? lose? a cheat win?

[Twitch]

that's not what I meant, and besides if you read MY predictions, then you would know that I already think that HBK's gonna win

Hogan NEVER stops posing

Now I get it, at Unforgiven when Hogan poses after his "great victory" HBK should be the hell with it and superkick him again...

:o

[Jason Blood]

how did matt? lose? a cheat win?
it looked like Edge was REALLY (as in it looked real) beating on Matt, and after a kick to the face, the ref called a KO

[Savage]

it looked like Edge was REALLY (as in it looked real) beating on Matt, and after a kick to the face, the ref called a KO
Yeah. That kick was certainly real. I think the smack in the face with the post was real too, which is what started it...I'm honestly not sure what to make of all of this. I just feel bad for the guy, honestly...To have the love of your life cheat on you and then to not even be able to defend yourself against the guy she did it with...damn...

...On a brighter note, Benoit and Rey's matches kicked SERIOUS ass! Instant smiles here. :D

[jackcool]

Rey won the ladder match. Hopefully this means both wrestlers can feud with other people now :up:

[Twitch]

Rey won the ladder match. Hopefully this means both wrestlers can feud with other people now :up:

I heard that Rey might fuend with Orton :up:

[Sabretooth]

Angle won :o

[punishermax]

Orton won

[Sabretooth]

Orton won
And he damn deserved to :up:

[Savage]

Yeah...Damn it. :( *sigh* Guy was friggin livid though. Hope something is done, though I highly doubt it...Oh well. Jericho vs Cena now. Hope Jericho wins but again, doubt it. :(

[Savage]

And he damn deserved to :up:
Yeah, but in a fair match. Hate cheap shots.

[Sabretooth]

Yeah...Damn it. :( *sigh* Guy was friggin livid though. Hope something is done, though I highly doubt it...Oh well. Jericho vs Cena now. Hope Jericho wins but again, doubt it. :(
livid?How?

[Savage]

God, Cena cannot act. Wish he'd just lose.

Crap. He won. :(

[Savage]

livid?How?
Maybe I was just using the word wrong, but Taker looked furious.

[WickerPerson]

If Cena tapped out, it would have made the entire PPV worth it, but he didn't :(

[Sabretooth]

God, Cena cannot act. Wish he'd just lose.
LOL what'd he do?:D

[punishermax]

I ****ing hate Cena..............I HATE him.

[jackcool]

God, Cena cannot act. Wish he'd just lose.

Crap. He won. :(

No surprises there. WWE wants Cena to be it's new franchise, and with Jericho leaving for an extended amount of time, it would've been an entirely left-field decision to have Jericho win.....

[Savage]

LOL what'd he do?:D
His reactions when he's put in submissions. It's like out of a 1930s black and white flick or something. He's making all these facial contortions and he's reaching his arm out then clenching it back in a fist. I mean I understand he's selling the move and all but I just cringe every time they close up on him. I mean if they put a mic next to his mouth, I'm sure he'd be saying "ooooh. The paaain. The paaaaiiiin!"

[punishermax]

LOL what'd he do?:D

He was in the Walls and he looked like he was more or less taking a huge crap instead of looking like being in pain.

[punishermax]

Batista won

[jackcool]

This means that both Wrestlemania winners from this year lasted longer than the WM winners from last year :eek: :(

[Sabretooth]

This means that both Wrestlemania winners from this year lasted longer than the WM winners from last year :eek: :(
No,Eddie won the gold at No Way Out.But they lasted longer than Benoit

[jackcool]

He still won at Wrestlemania though ;)

[punishermax]

Hogan won

[Sabretooth]

Hogan won
Yes! Now HBK will win at Unforgiven :D

[WickerPerson]

I think Hogan bladed himself a little to much in that match

[Savage]

...God did that match suck...I mean I have seen overacting before but goddamn...Do they take the same nightschool acting classes as Cena?

[Jason Blood]

Cena learned it all from Hogan

[U.S War Machine]

Cena is a spoof

[Hunter Rider]

HOLY MOTHER OF GOD:eek:

Summerslam breaks down easy-Benoit and Angle in matches well beneath them win in 30 seconds and 3 minutes respectively,Batista shows why he is living on borrowed time and Rey and Matt Hardy returns to velocity

The big 4
Orton/Taker was an awesome match and with Randy going over i think the world title is only a couple of matches away
Cena/Y2J-Best match Cena has had,he is still a work in progress but the spots went pretty well IMO
Rey/Eddie-i'm glad the feud is over but what a way to finish it,excellent match

HBK/Hgan-well Hogan showed what a sad pathetic selfish old bastard he is,He is beyond tragic in that ring,the man can barely walk and HBK carried the whole match on his own,selling Hogan's weak looking shtick and then jobbing to that greedy Egomaniac.....oh well he did it to get a good buyrate for the lockeroom and will now move onto something better and wash the stink of Hogan off him


It was disgusting the way the marks lapped up the posing:down

[Jason Blood]

hooray

Master's is gonna feud with HBK!

wait a minute...


THAT'S RETARDED

[Hunter Rider]

Looks like HBK's a face again,must be part of the trade off he made for jobbing to that greasy bastard Hogan,well he took one for the team:up:

I doubt the feud with Masters will last long

[Jason Blood]

I just got Hardy's new T-Shirt in today

[Jason Blood]

Kerwin!!!

[Sabretooth]

Hardy jobbed to Conway?WTF?

[WickerPerson]

The writers must not like Matt

[Sabretooth]

Oh god,Cade's coming back :(

[WickerPerson]

Man Ashley's so annoying

[Jason Blood]

Oh god,Cade's coming back :(
With his REDNECK FRIEND

YEE-HAW!!!

[U.S War Machine]

Torri just kicked the new girl in the ribs.

[Jason Blood]

Man Ashley's so annoying
not as annoying as Torrie and Candice

[jackcool]

Oh god,Cade's coming back :(

At least he's not HBCade :o

And at least this means there might be a new tag team making it's way. That makes.....three tag teams for Raw then :up:

[Sabretooth]

not as annoying as Torrie and Candice
Torrie's ok,but Candice is annoying.I wanna slit her throat everytime I hear her voice.

[Sabretooth]

Hmmm,Smackdown's coming to my hometown in September.Should I go?

[WickerPerson]

Anyone ever notice that whenever there's a chant for cena, it sounds like it's from a bunch of little kids? I guess that's Cena's fanbase.

[DOG LIPS]

Hmmm,Smackdown's coming to my hometown in September.Should I go?
Yeah, bring me back some Torri.

..Oh wait, she's on Raw now. :(

[Savage]

...God I feel bad for Jericho right now. =\...Is this legit? Has there been some change of plans?

And by the way, more WWE BS. Jericho should have one. Raw is gonna suck a little more now...Oh, yay, Angle slam! :D

[jackcool]

I think he did sign a new deal, abeit short-term. But I have that feeling this is the last time we'll see Jericho in the WWE.....

[punishermax]

Fans on RAW were treated to the "surprise" announcement that Candice Michelle and Torrie Wilson were traded from SmackDown. WWE did not, however, make an on-air announcement concerning who was sent to the Thursday night show.

Nonetheless, WWE.com did make such an announcement. Moving to SmackDown! will be Stacy Keibler and Christy Hemme.

[jackcool]

So apparently, Stacy Keibler and Christy Hemme were traded to Smackdown. What a waste, Stacy was at least doing something on Raw "managing" the tag team champions, and it would've been interesting to at least see Christy Hemme help out Ashley......

[Savage]

I think he did sign a new deal, abeit short-term. But I have that feeling this is the last time we'll see Jericho in the WWE.....
Hmm...Is that deal just with RAW or WWE in general?
I'm thinking he's gonna get picked up by Smackdown. It's be the smart move imo. Especially if they can use him right.

[WickerPerson]

That sucks

[jackcool]

Hmm...Is that deal just with RAW or WWE in general?
I'm thinking he's gonna get picked up by Smackdown. It's be the smart move imo. Especially if they can use him right.

The WWE in general :confused:

It would be good if he goes to Smackdown, but usually, any wrestler not named Triple H that takes a break doesn't come back. I would know because I'm still waiting for a Ken Shamrock return.....:(

[Shifty]

They should've atleast told the fans that Angle/Shelton was up next. I luckily decieded to stay and see what's next. But after that I left knowing that Jericho would lose in a match that couldn't possibly top the Team Angle Reunion, Hardy would get screwed again, the divas would parade about. Carlito/Flair might've been good, how was it? Anyway, awesome match by Angle & Shelton.

[jackcool]

The Carlito/Flair interview was pretty damn good. But I may be a bit biased since I'm loving Carlito at the moment ;)

Great moments was Carlito mentioning that Flair fought his dad back in the day and Carlito spitting the apple in Flair face and Ric's reaction :up:

[PyroChamber]

So apparently, Stacy Keibler and Christy Hemme were traded to Smackdown. What a waste, Stacy was at least doing something on Raw "managing" the tag team champions, and it would've been interesting to at least see Christy Hemme help out Ashley......Only one year on RAW and they already traded Christy to Smackdown!, so much for being a RAW Diva Search winner.

I have a feeling since Torrie and Candice are now heel, they'll be like a "hot popular girls pick on anyone that's not them" type of group, kinda like in high school. Also, I guess this means that Ashley is now the only diva on RAW that's a face.

[Hunter Rider]

i havent seen everything from RAW last night but i gather HBK told the truth about the Hogan deal ?

As for this Torrie/Candice thing,i think it's a case that the 2 are more suited to RAW as they like to get raunchier than the more fun loving Stacy and Christy,in the grand scheme of things it's not important

Did RVD show up on RAW ?

[3dman27]

So apparently, Stacy Keibler and Christy Hemme were traded to Smackdown. What a waste, Stacy was at least doing something on Raw "managing" the tag team champions, and it would've been interesting to at least see Christy Hemme help out Ashley......so once again the vile villiany of erick bischoff and his henchman vince "the whince"macmahon have dealt a crippling blow to team hero how can they recover from this dastardly blow? perhaps with a new allys help LETHAL LILIAN ??



stay tuned same hurritime same hurrichannel

[Savage]

Yeah, where the hell has RVD and Hurricane been?....*sigh* I hate you WWE.:mad:

[kane9321]

ok..so torrie and and michelle get traded to raw 4 stacy and christy...i dont get that?..i guess when trish gets back she and torrie will fued?..snitsky you toe loving pervert..lol..so huh maybe victoria will try to help ashley...but that wouldnt make sense!..last but not least...was that "garbage" garrison cade

christ

[Savage]

Can't wait till TNA hits Spike either huh?

[kane9321]

when is it coming to spike?

[Savage]

October 1st. Time to light some fire under WWE's asses.:up:

[kane9321]

cant wait to see the x division again soooo kick butt

[punishermax]

Yeah, where the hell has RVD and Hurricane been?....*sigh* I hate you WWE.:mad:

Hurricane wrestled a dark match last night, and RVD is still injured, so you can't blame WWE for RVD not being on tv.

[Savage]

Hurricane wrestled a dark match last night, and RVD is still injured, so you can't blame WWE for RVD not being on tv.
Ah. Gotcha.
What's a dark match? I tuned in at like 9:30.

[jackcool]

Dark matches are generally those matches that take place that are never going to be shown on tv. Basically they're out of WWE continuity ;)

They're usually a testing ground for potential new gimmicks for wrestlers or a showcase for some unknown wrestler. Or something silly, like that Batista/Cena/Hogan vs JBL/Michaels/Jericho (or something like that) match that just has a lot of comedy piece. For example, in that match, Batista actually sang happy birthday to Tony Chimmel and gave him a stinkface.

[Hunter Rider]

Dark matches are generally those matches that take place that are never going to be shown on tv. Basically they're out of WWE continuity ;)

They're usually a testing ground for potential new gimmicks for wrestlers or a showcase for some unknown wrestler. Or something silly, like that Batista/Cena/Hogan vs JBL/Michaels/Jericho (or something like that) match that just has a lot of comedy piece. For example, in that match, Batista actually sang happy birthday to Tony Chimmel and gave him a stinkface.
:eek: http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/10/10_2_5.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZNxdm824AXGB)

[punishermax]

From TVGuide.com:

UPN's professional wrestling series "WWE SmackDown"s getting a name change to reflect its move from Thursday to Friday nights.

Starting with its 2005-06 season premiere Sept. 9, the series is changing its name to "Friday Night SmackDown!"

Taped at different wrestling venues across the country, "SmackDown" is a production of World Wrestling Entertainment. Kevin Dunn executive produces.

[3dman27]

also hurricane and rosey have been appering in matches on heat lately

[jackcool]

From TVGuide.com:

UPN's professional wrestling series "WWE SmackDown"s getting a name change to reflect its move from Thursday to Friday nights.

Starting with its 2005-06 season premiere Sept. 9, the series is changing its name to "Friday Night SmackDown!"

Taped at different wrestling venues across the country, "SmackDown" is a production of World Wrestling Entertainment. Kevin Dunn executive produces.

Friday Night Smackdown? ewwww......:(

[Savage]

Dark matches are generally those matches that take place that are never going to be shown on tv. Basically they're out of WWE continuity ;)

They're usually a testing ground for potential new gimmicks for wrestlers or a showcase for some unknown wrestler. Or something silly, like that Batista/Cena/Hogan vs JBL/Michaels/Jericho (or something like that) match that just has a lot of comedy piece. For example, in that match, Batista actually sang happy birthday to Tony Chimmel and gave him a stinkface.
...The hell?:confused:...Eh. Better than nothing...But I'd much rather see him in TNA fuding with Sharkboy...Sharkboy...Man, I remember when this guy was just an up and coming wrestler on MTV's True Life: I'm a Proffessional Wrestler.:D...Most of that episode was about Triple H anyway. Big shock there.

[Angelus103]

will smackdown be live on friday

[Sabretooth]

Friday Night Smackdown? ewwww......:(
Indeed. :(

[Hunter Rider]

ever wanted proof Hogan is a selfish egostistical money grubbing ******* ? then read on:down



Source: PWTorch.com Newsletter

For many fans, the quality of effort Shawn Michaels put into his match with Hulk Hogan likely gave the impression that he was thrilled to have the opportunity to work such a match. In reality, however, negotiations with Hulk Hogan brought the RAW superstar to a point of disgust.

Because Hulk Hogan's contract called for creative control, Shawn Michaels was powerless in trying to propose anything other than a clean victory for The Hulkster. Michaels, thinking he was skilled enough in backstage politics to go head-to-head with Hogan, ignored the advice from friends that he should work out a finish prior to agreeing to the match. That failure to take friendly advice would come back to haunt Michaels, as there was no way Hogan was going to accept anything other than a win with the legdrop. Vince McMahon eventually made it clear to HBK that the match was to be done Hogan's way.

While Michaels' late suggestion for a DQ finish was not considered, the idea of running a rematch at Unforgiven was. Thinking it would give each of the wrestlers the opportunity to get a victory, Michaels gladly signed off on the idea. Hogan, however, was not interested in doing the job. Hogan's idea was to win the initial Summerslam match, and then win a steel cage rematch by crawling out the door seconds before HBK climbed out from over the top of the cage. Michaels was certainly not interested in doing the job twice, so they went back to the original plan for a single match.

Michaels' sarcastic promo this week on RAW was his way of venting frustration related to the match. The interview saw Michaels mockingly suggest that Hogan's in-ring ability was just too superior to be touched.

[Hunter Rider]

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Hulk Hogan is not expected to make a return any time soon. WWE currently has no plans him, although it can be assumed that he will make an eventual return when the time is right.

One backstage source speculated that Vince made a deal with Hogan that if he were to get the clean win over Michaels at SummerSlam, he would eventually have to job cleanly to John Cena, prospectively at WrestleMania 22. With Hogan going clean over Michaels, and then Cena going clean over Hogan (after Michaels wasn't able to), it would help to further elevate Cena. If that was the deal between Vince and Hogan, enabling Hogan to take advantage of his "creative control" stipulation and get the clean win over Shawn, it is unknown whether or not Michaels was even aware of it.

John Cena is clearly seen by Vince as the best chance he has of creating a new top tier draw. Both Batista and Randy Orton are seen way lower than Cena in the eyes of Mr. McMahon.


Wow this is pukeworthy.the thought of Hogan/Cena is a nightmare and the fact they view him higher than Orton ???? wow WWE just when you think they can't sink any lower:o :(

[U.S War Machine]

Unforgiven Is coming to my home town Sep 9th. Isnt that awsome!

[Pink Ranger]

ever wanted proof Hogan is a selfish egostistical money grubbing ******* ? then read on:down



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For many fans, the quality of effort Shawn Michaels put into his match with Hulk Hogan likely gave the impression that he was thrilled to have the opportunity to work such a match. In reality, however, negotiations with Hulk Hogan brought the RAW superstar to a point of disgust.

Because Hulk Hogan's contract called for creative control, Shawn Michaels was powerless in trying to propose anything other than a clean victory for The Hulkster. Michaels, thinking he was skilled enough in backstage politics to go head-to-head with Hogan, ignored the advice from friends that he should work out a finish prior to agreeing to the match. That failure to take friendly advice would come back to haunt Michaels, as there was no way Hogan was going to accept anything other than a win with the legdrop. Vince McMahon eventually made it clear to HBK that the match was to be done Hogan's way.

While Michaels' late suggestion for a DQ finish was not considered, the idea of running a rematch at Unforgiven was. Thinking it would give each of the wrestlers the opportunity to get a victory, Michaels gladly signed off on the idea. Hogan, however, was not interested in doing the job. Hogan's idea was to win the initial Summerslam match, and then win a steel cage rematch by crawling out the door seconds before HBK climbed out from over the top of the cage. Michaels was certainly not interested in doing the job twice, so they went back to the original plan for a single match.

Michaels' sarcastic promo this week on RAW was his way of venting frustration related to the match. The interview saw Michaels mockingly suggest that Hogan's in-ring ability was just too superior to be touched.

Why should we despise Hogan for that? Michaels is just getting a taste of his own medecine. As a "born again Christian" I'm sure he doesn't believe in karma, but there it is.

[jackcool]

Wow this is pukeworthy.the thought of Hogan/Cena is a nightmare and the fact they view him higher than Orton ???? wow WWE just when you think they can't sink any lower:o :(

I think it has a lot to do with maybe Orton's injury problems (he's suffered like three serious injuries in like four years) and that he could be a bit bland on the mic sometimes. I frequently hear complaints about Orton that he's a bit stiff when talking sometimes. But then again, those same people that complain about Orton also don't like the way Cena currently is :o

[Bad Superman]

Well, I will attend the RAW card this Friday here in San Juan. After that, I'm done with WWE. Can't wait for TNA to arrive to Spike. This comes from a 26 year fan of wrestling who WAS a WWF/WWE mark. . . .

[Hunter Rider]

Why should we despise Hogan for that? Michaels is just getting a taste of his own medecine. As a "born again Christian" I'm sure he doesn't believe in karma, but there it is.


youve got to be kidding ? HBK has went out of his way to help other wrestlers even to the point of getting out of his sick bed against doctors orders to pass the torch to Austin.
Hogan is 52 years old he shouldv'e put the younger guy over and he decides to stroke his ego one more time,he already shafted Savage,Flair,Rude,Hart and the entire WCW promotion i guess he just went out doing what he does best,and if you saw the match you wouldn't need to ask why it was wrong,he was carried from bell to bell as he can barely walk and then has the audacity to have the win:down

[Hunter Rider]

I think it has a lot to do with maybe Orton's injury problems (he's suffered like three serious injuries in like four years) and that he could be a bit bland on the mic sometimes. I frequently hear complaints about Orton that he's a bit stiff when talking sometimes. But then again, those same people that complain about Orton also don't like the way Cena currently is :o

as far as mic work goes i can't say ive had a problem with Orton and Cena is fine it's just they make him use these dumbass cliche's which make him sound stupid at times,on the wrestling front Randy is 10 times the performer thats where i find the "more highly rated" thing a bit stupid
My main problem is with the Hogan/Cena part,after seeing SS, Hogan needs to retire for good, he got one more ego wank now let it go,Cena can't carry Hogan he is still learning,he needs matches with the likes of Angle,Edge,HHH,HBk,RVD etc to build him not the responsibility of carrying an old man around the ring

[Hunter Rider]

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<LI>Jeff Hardy recently appeared on Between the Ropes radio show and gave his own opinion on the Edge-Lita-Matt Hardy situation.

Jeff said that although his brother likely knew he was always going back to WWE, it was wrong to waste TNA's time and string them along. Numerous TNA officials are understandably unhappy considering they spent time with Hardy and planned out potential angles for his planned debut.

Jeff Hardy also says he couldn't defend Matt's behavior in the last several months and was upset at his brothers comments on Byte This! that he was closer with Lita and Jeff.

Hardy also said he didn't want to get involved in the situation, but was literally forced by his brother to leave nasty voicemails on Edge and Lita's phone.

Jeff also noted that he considered quitting the business after his performance against Abyss at Against All Odds where he botched the big table spot at the end. ouch, poor Matt can't catch a break:(



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WWE's current plan for Ric Flair is to have him put over as a top babyface. This will lead to a program with Triple H in six weeks time when he returns for the first edition of RAW on USA Network.

Hunter could be brought back sooner if a serious problem cropped up, such as injuries or even bad ratings. However, as of this week there has been no contemplation within WWE to bring him back any sooner than planned.

I guess this means Flair is going over Carlito

[Hunter Rider]

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* The Heartbreak Kid Shawn Michaels was interviewed on the Mancow radio show last Thursday morning 3 days before SummerSlam. Shawn was asked if he would have to carry Hogan on Sunday. Michaels said he definitely would and it would be another case of him "going out there with a broomstick and showing why he is the greatest in-ring performer." When asked if his match with Hogan is the biggest match ever, Michaels said, "Yes, until The Rock comes back and they have HBK vs. The Rock." When asked if he thought Rock would return, Michaels said, "I think he's gonna have to."



Now this WOULD be an awesome Legends match:eek: :up:

[The Batman]

I cant believe they never faced off.

Now thats an awesome match.

[Donnie Darko]

yeah, I would definitely pay for HBK vs The Rock. While I grew up geeking out on Hogan and I even watch his VH1 show a lot of the time, I cannot stand watching him go over the real talent, or wrestle at all actually. HBK vs The Rock would be great. The Rock, while not as good a wrestler as Michaels, was one of the best in ring performers I've ever seen. He really was "electifying" and I can't wait to see this match now that the idea is in my head.

[The Batman]

Man, imagine the promos.

The two most charismatic guys insulting each other.

[Sabretooth]

Call me crazy,but Matt Hardy's starting to annoy me.He's been acting like a seven year old.Seriously,he ordered Jeff to leave insulting messages?I mean,seriously,how immature can you get?

[Donnie Darko]

haha, they should have them do a promo on The Highlight Reel, so Jericho can chime in

[The Batman]

Yeah. The whole thing's starting to get stale....

[The Batman]

haha, they should have them do a promo on The Highlight Reel, so Jericho can chime in

too bad he left...

[Sabretooth]

I knew this was going to happen.Bret Hart's in negotiations with TNA.Imagine if he came back around the time they went on air?Instant ratings.

[jackcool]

I cant believe they never faced off.

Now thats an awesome match.

Most of the period when Rock was dominant, Shawn was in "retirement" due to his neck. I'm just happy that Shawn is having a full comeback now because we can now see matches that he should've had back in 1998-2001 :up:

[LastSunrise1981]

In Hogan's defense him gaining the victory at SS made sense, because what is the point of him having a last match and losing? So in retrospect, this victory made a lot of sense and should satisfy him for a long time.

As far as HBK is concerned. You really can't say he has an ego, why? Simply because he jobbed to a man he didn't care for, didn't care of the particular finish, and knew he couldn't or wasn't going to get a 5 star match out of Hogan. But, he still did his job and jobbed to him in the end, where as back in the day he probably wouldn't have shown up.

I give HBK credit for that and refuse to call him an egomaniac. Hogan has always been big on ego, but did the right thing when putting over Angle, The Rock, and Lesar during his previous comeback.

Ego H could learn a lesson or two from HBK actually.

[Hunter Rider]

In Hogan's defense him gaining the victory at SS made sense, because what is the point of him having a last match and losing? So in retrospect, this victory made a lot of sense and should satisfy him for a long time.
you always lose your last match and pass the torch,that is tradition,Look at Austin,in his last match he jobbed to the Rock,it's about class and Hogan has non




I give HBK credit for that and refuse to call him an egomaniac. Hogan has always been big on ego, but did the right thing when putting over Angle, The Rock, and Lesar during his previous comeback.

Ego H could learn a lesson or two from HBK actually.


Hogan put over the 3 guys you mentioned cos he had no choice,he was under full wwe contract for that year and hadn't had his usual selfish clauses put in it as at the time he just wanted a job
I don't get why ppl say HHH is selfish,he put Benoit over at WM20 and vengeance in 2004,and he lost to HBK on Shawn's comeback match and at the survivor series in 2002,he jobbed to Benjamin 3 times on RAW,he jobbed to Hogan at ~Backlash 2002 and he just got done putting Batista over 3 PPV's straight

[Hunter Rider]

Most of the period when Rock was dominant, Shawn was in "retirement" due to his neck. I'm just happy that Shawn is having a full comeback now because we can now see matches that he should've had back in 1998-2001 :up:

it was his back;)
I agree with what you guys are saying,a Rock vs HBK match would be a showpiece for WM22 and the promo's leading up would be awesome

[LastSunrise1981]

you always lose your last match and pass the torch,that is tradition,Look at Austin,in his last match he jobbed to the Rock,it's about class and Hogan has non





Hogan put over the 3 guys you mentioned cos he had no choice,he was under full wwe contract for that year and hadn't had his usual selfish clauses put in it as at the time he just wanted a job
I don't get why ppl say HHH is selfish,he put Benoit over at WM20 and vengeance in 2004,and he lost to HBK on Shawn's comeback match and at the survivor series in 2002,he jobbed to Benjamin 3 times on RAW,he jobbed to Hogan at ~Backlash 2002 and he just got done putting Batista over 3 PPV's straight

Hmm, I'll give Ego H a little bit of credit. He did what was right for the business recently, but I'm talking about when he had the championship belt handed to him. He used his politics to hold down wrestlers who were ready and outshined in everyway possible.

Jericho
RVD(RVD was supposed to beat HHH for the title, but instead he went to Stephanie and creative, and it was quoted by Kevin Kelly too. Kevin Kelly said Ego H told creative "RVD can't win the title, you can't do that".)
Kane
Steiner
Booker T
Jeff Hardy

He could've put over those wrestlers as well, but chose not to in fear of losing his spot in the title position. Granted, he's not as bad as Hogan was in WCW or as bad as HBK was in his prime, but Ego H has done some pretty underhanded stuff and has buried others in the process.

Yeah, he got pinned by Shelton Benjamin once, then lost via a count-out, and then a dq if I'm not mistaken. But let Ego H win the title and see if he'll do the right thing for Shelton then.

As far as Batista is concerned. He knew he had to job to Batista, or else people would've called him on his BS and turned the WWE off completely.

[jackcool]

it was his back;)
I agree with what you guys are saying,a Rock vs HBK match would be a showpiece for WM22 and the promo's leading up would be awesome

Oh right....:(

A Rock-HBK match would also be great, but something in me also wants to see another Stone Cold-HBK match as well because the original plan back in 1998 was for Shawn to return shortly after that Wrestlemania match he had with Stone Cold and have an extended feud. But that never happened......