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Hunter Rider

08-30-2005, 07:13 PM

From WZ

Earlier today we noted that Ric Flair and HBK would be doing a storyline until Triple H returned on the first RAW back on the USA network.

The two men are scheduled for a series of house show matches in the next few weeks. It also appears that one of the two is turning heel. They could turn Flair heel or it could be revealed that HBK was the one behind the 'attack' last night on RAW. They could even go further with the angle and wait for Triple H to return and you can only speculate on what that means. Keep in mind X-Pac is meeting with WWE officials this week as well.

interesting,i prefer a new Evolution to a new DX,i think the right players are there to form a new Evolution and i also think Flair needs to be part of a team these days

punishermax

08-30-2005, 08:08 PM

As long as a new good stable comes along I could care less it was a DX or Evolution

Metamorpho1977

08-30-2005, 08:27 PM

Bring back the greatest stable of all time. Just count to 4 and you'll know who I mean.

None other than the 4 Horsemen

http://www.nationmaster.com/wikimir/images/upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/c6/170px-4_Horsemen_1985.jpg

08-30-2005, 08:49 PM

I wish Scott Hall would come back. Even when he wrestled drunk he'd still be better than half the guys they have now on RAW.

SLYspyder

08-30-2005, 09:10 PM

08-30-2005, 09:27 PM

They could bring back Trish as a face, I guess.

Savage

08-30-2005, 10:41 PM

was anyone else incredibly turned on by victoria on raw yesterday? i'm in love with her new outfit, and i'm glad she's heel again. she should definitely remain a heel, but there are like no female face wrestlers, how is she going to get any competition? they can't be holding her back by having her fight a noob like ashley.
Lovin that outfit too.:up::D
And yeah, it's great to have her back as a heel. Miss the women that could actually wrestle like Jazz and Gail Kim. They were all heels(big suprise there). They always make the tiny/skinny girls with no talent the faces...

SLYspyder

08-30-2005, 11:22 PM

They could bring back Trish as a face, I guess.

nope, trish is way way better as a heel

TheVileOne

08-31-2005, 01:48 AM

TNA on Spike TV will hopefully do a lot of good for professional wrestling.

TNA's got 13 weeks apparently to make something happen.

White_Howling

08-31-2005, 01:53 AM

13 weeks thats gonna be tough.. with raw on the same night.. and them trying to get new fans... good luck

TheVileOne

08-31-2005, 01:58 AM

Its not on the same night as RAW. Impact will be on SATURDAY night, not Monday.

White_Howling

08-31-2005, 02:04 AM

oh ok... saturday would be a hard pull also.. since most people go out on a saturday...

side-note : trishas better off as a heel

jackcool

08-31-2005, 02:11 AM

It would be pretty dumb though for TNA to compete straight away with Raw. At least airing Impact on Saturday might mean they'll continue to get the same audience that Velocity had. Hopefully then, they might attract a larger fanbase.....

Not Jake

08-31-2005, 02:21 AM

I used to watch wrestling back in the early-mid 90s as a kid. I started watching wrestling again recently when I saw on a highlight show played in the middle of the night on local television that Michaels, Cena, and Hogan were teaming up.:D I'm gay for the retro stuff. Then I saw Sargeant Slaughter come out and put the cobra claw on Chris Masters (but eventually get subdued by the masterlock). Anyway, I enjoy that kind of crap. I know it's crap but I enjoy it. The old immobile wrestlers.:D

So I've been following Raw since then. I've noticed two things.

1) Shelton Benjamin seems to be there only for a big-namer to beat. I don't think I've even heard him talk before, either.:confused:

2) Wrestlers today need gimmicks. I saw Tyson Tomko come out the other day and just frowned. What's his deal? He's got ridiculous facial hair and some tattoos. There's no gimmick. Snitsky is the same way. I guess he has a foot fetish though:rolleyes: These two guys suck. I want to see colorful characters like the old days. I mean, Shelton Benjamin, he's quiet and seems to be there for no reason, but at least his "gimmick" is that he's a super-athlete from NC. That's reasonable I guess.

I'm also sick of everyone wearing black. You're real hardcore, guys.:rolleyes: I like colorful personalities and colorful panties on greasy men:mad: I mean, it's alright if you have some color there, like Michaels, but a lot of people just have black on. It would make Ultimate Warrior cry off his neon green and hot pink mask-paint stuff:(

White_Howling

08-31-2005, 02:22 AM

gimmicks these days.. are mostly the big buff body builder move like a robot type guys...

Not Jake

08-31-2005, 02:46 AM

The only gimmick people have is trying to pose as the ultimate badass, these days:(

who's that idiot with the "see-through" shorts:rolleyes: lame:down:

I like Masters because of how ridiculous his entrance is.:D 2 full minutes of dramatic posing.:D Generic personality, though. But I dig the entrance. Dig Cena's too. That song is great for riling up the crowd (dadadaDAAA). You know, the part that repeats over and over and sounds like trumpets or something. Good entrance. Nobody's could ever beat Hogan's though:o

As you can tell, I'm not big on technical wrestling ability or anything. I just like to see some entertaining tv. Of course, they do too much stuff with the ladies, however attractive they may be, and some of the feuds are really lame. I can't even stand the faces Edge makes anymore.:(

3dman27

08-31-2005, 04:49 AM

They could bring back Trish as a face, I guess.
better yet bring back MOLLY HOLLY :spidey:

3dman27

08-31-2005, 04:52 AM

Hunter Rider

08-31-2005, 05:57 AM

Source: Wrestling Observer Newsletter

-- All of Christian's merchandise has been pulled from the shelves due to some sort of legal issue. We hope for more details on this soon.

Credit: PWTorch.com Newsletter

After much rumor and speculation, WWE appears to be set on running Eddie Guerrero vs. Batista and Randy Orton/Bob Orton vs. Undertaker as the top matches at WWE No Mercy. WWE will put the scheduled Orton-Batista feud on hold as it attempts to further elevate Randy Orton to the status of "top heel."

At this point, plans for the speculated Randy Orton vs. Rey Mysterio feud are back on. Orton will move into a feud with Mysterio after his program with Taker comes to a conclusion.

Personaly id love a Rey/Orton feud:up:

3dman27

08-31-2005, 07:35 AM

Source: Wrestling Observer Newsletter

-- All of Christian's merchandise has been pulled from the shelves due to some sort of legal issue. We hope for more details on this soon.

according to what i read on www.lordsofpain.net another performer has trademarked the nickname capt.charisma its THAT merchandise thats being removed until the dispute is resolved

08-31-2005, 12:12 PM

Source: Wrestling Observer Newsletter

-- All of Christian's merchandise has been pulled from the shelves due to some sort of legal issue. We hope for more details on this soon.

That pisses the hell out of me. I wanted to buy a Captain Charisma shirt when I went to Summerslam. :( :down

SLYspyder

08-31-2005, 01:48 PM

Of course, they do too much stuff with the ladies, however attractive they may be, and some of the feuds are really lame.

too much lady stuff?! you have got to be kidding me. the last big women's match was months ago when lita came back from injury and won the title. they could have at least given the title to victoria or something when trish got injured. they need to seperate the divas and women wrestlers, and have a diva championship and a women's championship.

3dman27

08-31-2005, 01:52 PM

they need to seperate the divas and women wrestlers, and have a diva championship and a women's championship.
that makes sense to me

Hunter Rider

08-31-2005, 02:23 PM

Partial Source: PWTorch.com

- Contrary to rumors, there are no plans for Undertaker to retire after his feud with Randy Orton. While a retirement could very well come in the next few years, Taker has not yet expressed that he's willing to give up on working for WWE. And, if he did, it would certainly not be the result of putting over Randy Orton.

- X-Pac's scheduled meeting with WWE has become a big discussion topic in wrestling circles. As of this past weekend, the belief was that he had come to terms with TNA and merely lacked the formality of a written contract. TNA has long been aware that X-Pac's friendships in WWE would pull him in that direction should a bidding war break out, but there is obviously faith that he'll greatly consider remaining in TNA (this would of course be assuming that WWE is interested in re-signing X-Pac; something that is hardly confirmed).

Source: PWInsider.com

A source who's viewed the Ultimate Warrior DVD has labeled it a vicious burial that will likely make fans wonder why the wrestler was ever pushed by WWE. The source said the burial reaches the "point of ridiculousness."

The wrestlers interviewed include Ric Flair, Vince McMahon, Bobby Heenan, Sgt. Slaughter, Eric Bischoff, Pat Patterson, Hulk Hogan, Ted DiBiase, and The Brooklyn Brawler.

Ouch:(

Hunter Rider

08-31-2005, 02:27 PM

Source: PWTorch.com

As reported on a few weeks ago, Matt Bently (formerly known as Michael Shane) is still gone from TNA after having a contract dispute with management. Bently originally requested $2,500 per match, then dropped his price to $1,500. Despite the drop, TNA officials still wouldn't meet his demands which would have been a bit more than what many TNA contracted wrestlers earn at the moment. Bently still appears on TNA's roster page on their official website.

Source: PWInsider.com

- Cards for WWE RAW's tour of Australia in October are headlined by HHH vs. John Cena for the World Title. Triple H is obviously expected to move into a feud with Cena by year's end, although it is not known if their television feud's commencement will coincide with this tour.

Oh god,im bored already,what a predictbly lame feud:( :down

Twitch

08-31-2005, 02:31 PM

Ouch:(

Personally I like X-Pac in TNA, he's a good heel and will be used correctly unlike the WWE

Hunter Rider

08-31-2005, 02:33 PM

Personally I like X-Pac in TNA, he's a good heel and will be used correctly unlike the WWE

No,No,the ouch was aimed at the other part about the Ultimate Warrior DVD burying him

Twitch

08-31-2005, 02:40 PM

No,No,the ouch was aimed at the other part about the Ultimate Warrior DVD burying him

Do you like UW? Speaking of WWE DVDs after I get the DVDs I want from TNA, I'm gonna get that new Undertaker DVD :up:

jackcool

08-31-2005, 03:00 PM

Ouch:(

Yeah, I guess they're pulling no strings regarding the Warrior. Not surprising considering how many times he's been on the outs with the company.....and not to mention that bit of unpleasantness that he was a part of when he made that speech.....

Hunter Rider

08-31-2005, 03:04 PM

Do you like UW? Speaking of WWE DVDs after I get the DVDs I want from TNA, I'm gonna get that new Undertaker DVD :up:

im not a paticular fan of his,it just seems sad that WWE would do that to him
The Taker DVD should be good,is it 2 discs or 3 ?

Hunter Rider

08-31-2005, 03:05 PM

Yeah, I guess they're pulling no strings regarding the Warrior. Not surprising considering how many times he's been on the outs with the company.....and not to mention that bit of unpleasantness that he was a part of when he made that speech.....

I guess he agreed to it for the cash:(

jackcool

08-31-2005, 03:06 PM

Probably. But then again, nothing they say on the dvd could make him look as bad as his WCW stint ;)

Twitch

08-31-2005, 03:10 PM

im not a paticular fan of his,it just seems sad that WWE would do that to him
The Taker DVD should be good,is it 2 discs or 3 ?

3 discs, hopefully they include in the matches Undertaker vs. Mankind, Hell in a Cell Match. Classic stuff :up:

Hunter Rider

08-31-2005, 03:10 PM

Probably. But then again, nothing they say on the dvd could make him look as bad as his WCW stint ;)

:( the one warrior nation ? my god that was a low point,did he beat Hogan in that stint ? i just remeber the stupid promos and inverted bat signal:o

jackcool

08-31-2005, 03:12 PM

No, he lost. That way Hogan got back the victory Warrior got over him at WM 6. That means that Hogan has gotten a victory for every loss he's had.....

Hunter Rider

08-31-2005, 03:14 PM

No, he lost. That way Hogan got back the victory Warrior got over him at WM 6. That means that Hogan has gotten a victory for every loss he's had.....

LOL can't believe i asked that question:rolleyes: i thinik it was a DQ though
He can still never get passed the fact Warrior went over against him in the prime of Hulkamania:D

Hunter Rider

08-31-2005, 03:29 PM

Source: PWinsider

CM Punk is now training in Ohio Valley Wrestling. He arrived earlier this week.

To update the Christian merchandise issue, the t-shirts and such have been pulled because WWE doesn't own the legal rights to the phrases that are on the items. Christian continues to be frustrated but professional with the direction of his character.

Jesse Ventura is the new spokesman forBetUS.com

Twitch

08-31-2005, 03:37 PM

Source: PWinsider

CM Punk is now training in Ohio Valley Wrestling. He arrived earlier this week.

They are so gonna waste his great talents :(

I need to pick up his ROH tapes :up:

jackcool

08-31-2005, 03:39 PM

LOL can't believe i asked that question:rolleyes: i thinik it was a DQ though
He can still never get passed the fact Warrior went over against him in the prime of Hulkamania:D

Of course. That's the only reason why Warrior came to WCW. Not because of ratings, but because Hogan wanted a victory over him :o

Hunter Rider

08-31-2005, 03:42 PM

Of course. That's the only reason why Warrior came to WCW. Not because of ratings, but because Hogan wanted a victory over him :o

Yeah did you read Flairs Book about the Hogan/Warrior situation and how Hogan got a guy called the renengade into WCW to pretend to be the Warrior ?

jackcool

08-31-2005, 03:43 PM

Yeah did you read Flairs Book about the Hogan/Warrior situation and how Hogan got a guy called the renengade into WCW to pretend to be the Warrior ?

Yeah, I heard about that. Renegade also played the Warrior's stunt double a bit. I think he committed suicide a few years back though....:(

Hunter Rider

08-31-2005, 03:43 PM

They are so gonna waste his great talents :(

I need to pick up his ROH tapes :up:

It doesnt make any sense to me,i thought the guy was already supposed to be good:confused: i mean WWE have several guy working on TV right now in fairly good spots who look like they need a whole lot of time in OVW:o

Hunter Rider

08-31-2005, 03:44 PM

Yeah, I heard about that. Renegade also played the Warrior's stunt double a bit. I think he committed suicide a few years back though....:(

he did,and in a way Hogan is to blame,he pushed the guy to a level beyoned what he was capable of and then when it didn't work out dunped like hot coal,the guy went from having a future as bright as the sun to no future:mad: :(

jackcool

08-31-2005, 03:46 PM

That's Hogan for you. His tenure in WCW was just him stroking his ego. I think the greatest moment was his match with Sting when people were actually booing Hogan even though Sting was acting a bit heelish :up:

Hunter Rider

08-31-2005, 03:55 PM

jackcool

08-31-2005, 03:56 PM

Twitch

08-31-2005, 03:58 PM

It doesnt make any sense to me,i thought the guy was already supposed to be good:confused: i mean WWE have several guy working on TV right now in fairly good spots who look like they need a whole lot of time in OVW:o

I think its just to water down his style :down

Hunter Rider

08-31-2005, 03:59 PM

Yeah. It was the days when the Four Horsemen were the main heels of WCW. And during that time, Hulk was wearing black clothes as well.

And the reason why Sting spent 18 months in the rafters was probably because WCW wanted to save the Sting-Hogan match for Starcade.....plus, Sting wanted to take a break. Which happened a lot more frequently later on.

ah i didn't see those Nitros,

Sting slowly but surely had all the enthusiasm drained out of him by Hogan and WCW,the rafters angle was pretty cool though;)

Hunter Rider

08-31-2005, 04:00 PM

I think its just to water down his style :down

sadly that will most likely be true:( :down

jackcool

08-31-2005, 04:01 PM

Yeah, it was. And it was a great way to build up for their big match. It's just too damn bad the match totally had to suck due to Hogan's ego.....:(

Hunter Rider

08-31-2005, 04:04 PM

Yeah, it was. And it was a great way to build up for their big match. It's just too damn bad the match totally had to suck due to Hogan's ego.....:(

it was no surprise to me,all Hogans matches are cammels balls,his whole career is hype and not 1 single good match:o :(

jackcool

08-31-2005, 04:07 PM

Well that's how Vince built his empire. All on hype. Hogan never got over because of his wrestling talent. IT was all due to his ability to cut a good promo and all that jazz.

TheVileOne

08-31-2005, 06:20 PM

oh ok... saturday would be a hard pull also.. since most people go out on a saturday...

side-note : trishas better off as a heel

Its better than what they had before. Which was a constantly shifting and unstable timeslot that was seldom advertised and was frequently pre-empted for sports games on FSN. FSN is also a regional cable network. Spike TV isn't and is in close to 90 million homes. And despite that, TNA Impact was still one of the highest rated shows on FSN.

Now they have one singular timeslot that Spike is advertising.

Plus, its not really a hard pull, a lot of popular Adult Swim shows are on late Saturday Night and draw very good ratings.

Hunter Rider

08-31-2005, 08:07 PM

From WWE.com:

Hardcore legend and three-time WWE Champion Mick Foley says he's coming back to WWE television.

When reached Wednesday via cell phone between stops on his book tour, Foley confirmed that he has reached a deal in principle with WWE. He chose not to elaborate further, citing that he'd prefer to save the details until after the "formal arrangement" has been finalized.

"We have an agreement," Foley said. "The papers are just being drawn up. We should be good on it."

Foley first appeared in WWE in 1996. Thereafter, he furthered his reputation for putting his body on the line in many of WWE's most memorable matches.

Since retiring from the full-time roster in 2000, Foley has become a bestselling author. He is currently amid an extensive book tour for his latest novel, "Scooter."
Credit: WrestlingObserver.com

As reported earlier, Mick Foley is negotiating with WWE about an on-screen return.

Interestingly enough, Foley recently pitched an idea where he would take off on the "Rock 'n Sock Connection" where he'd play the role of the Rock and Eugene would be his sidekick to eventually set up a heel turn.

Nothing came of the idea.

punishermax

08-31-2005, 09:59 PM

WZ

WWE has officially announced on their website (in the live event section) that the RAW and SmackDown! taping in Biloxi and New Orleans next week has been postponed.

The RAW TV taping in Biloxi has been pulled from the site altogether, while the SmackDown! TV taping says "postponed" next to it.

There is actually conflicting reports that Spike TV will use the RAW timeslot this Monday, and expected RAW audience to debut their new "Impact!" show from Total Nonstop Action Wrestling. For more on that story, click HERE or visit the link below.

The HERE is dailwrestling.com so take it as you will.

U.S War Machine

08-31-2005, 10:20 PM

Good i'll check into it

TheVileOne

09-01-2005, 01:33 AM

There's no way Spike TV will show Impact on Monday.

Vince McMahon and the WWE actually showing some class in light of a tragedy is surprising. Especially after the events of Hassan not long ago.

Bad Superman

09-01-2005, 08:56 AM

There is actually conflicting reports that Spike TV will use the RAW timeslot this Monday, and expected RAW audience to debut their new "Impact!" show from Total Nonstop Action Wrestling. For more on that story, click HERE or visit the link below.

The HERE is dailwrestling.com so take it as you will.

If that's true, I'll watch Impact. WWE is dead and buried IMO.

jackcool

09-01-2005, 09:09 AM

I honestly doubt it. Sure TNA may have the better product, but really, if it went head-to-head with the WWE at this moment, it would get slaughtered in the ratings. It wouldn't even be funny at all. A better choice for them is the Saturday timeslot. That way, they can get the viewers who previously watched Velocity and since expectations would originally be low enough, they can steadily find a larger market. At that point then should they compete with Raw on Mondays.

TheVileOne

09-01-2005, 09:42 AM

jackcool

09-01-2005, 11:02 AM

3dman27

09-01-2005, 11:52 AM

Well they aren't going to be on Monday anyway.

I also think people are bored with WWE and ready to see a new and different WRESTLING product.
we're in agreement on THAT thevileone :spidey:

TheVileOne

09-01-2005, 06:49 PM

And that's a smart move on their part.

And yeah, some people might want to see something new, but it'll take a while for TNA to be a competitor. At this moment, they're probably around the ECW area in terms of fandom.....

At this point I'd say smaller than ECW. ECW gained a larger following not just through hardcore fans, but it was also a bit of a novelty and drew people for the shock-value factor as well.

I think what TNA does have though over WWE is a superior in-ring product, and simple inoffensive storylines.

Donnie Darko

09-01-2005, 10:14 PM

as far as the Saturday night time slot goes, I never watch Velocity, but I will definitely DVR TNA every week.

TheVileOne

09-01-2005, 11:03 PM

One hour of Impact is better than 6 hours of Raw, Smackdown, Heat, and Velocity combined :p .

3dman27

09-02-2005, 08:06 AM

i'll give it a shot

jackcool

09-02-2005, 05:10 PM

Watching Smackdown this week, I wonder: When will Randy RKO his father? :confused:

Sabretooth

09-02-2005, 08:38 PM

Hey guys,this is Sabretooth.Thanks to Katrina,I had to evacuate,and leave my other computer.:o

Twitch

09-02-2005, 08:40 PM

Watching Smackdown this week, I wonder: When will Randy RKO his father? :confused:

Proably when he's champion and doesn't need the father anymore :o:up:

Hunter Rider

09-02-2005, 08:40 PM

Hey guys,this is Sabretooth.Thanks to Katrina,I had to evacuate,and leave my other computer.:o

Man that sucks:( glad your ok though:up: welcome back i was wondering where you were

jackcool

09-02-2005, 08:49 PM

Proably when he's champion and doesn't need the father anymore :o:up:

Or when he realizes he doesn't need his father to win any matches :o

Honestly, I think the only reason why Bob Orton is with his son these days is because the WWE really wants to keep Randy in check. After-all, it won't look good for one of their future stars to get involved in yet another Amy Weber debacle.....

Sabretooth

09-02-2005, 10:14 PM

I want Rock vs. Orton for WM22.Promos would rock,and it could help get Randy over as a legend killer :up:

3dman27

09-03-2005, 09:04 AM

Hey guys,this is Sabretooth.Thanks to Katrina,I had to evacuate,and leave my other computer.:otake care of yourself 'tooth

Metamorpho1977

09-03-2005, 05:46 PM

Breaking News: Dusty Rhodes Officially Joins WWE
Story By: Ben Johnson

Dusty Rhodes has officially signed on to be part of WWE's
creative team, reports PWInsider.com. One would expect a
formal announcement to be forthcoming.

Dusty Rhodes has begun duties as part of the WWE SmackDown!
brand. Few other details, including financial terms, are
public at this time.

WWE Confirms Dusty Rhodes' Signing, Plans For SmackDown!
Story By: Ben Johnson

Confirming the report from earlier this evening, WWE.com
posted a fairly lengthy interview with the newly signed
Dusty Rhodes. Rhodes will assume a role on the creative
team for WWE SmackDown.

Speaking about the offer, Rhodes said, "I think it's just
opportunity to continue what I've really enjoyed doing
since 1974, and that's create exciting scenarios. Being
able to work with a group of young kids and some veterans
to give my opinion on some stuff and my ideas, I think
that is exciting too."

Rhodes specifically plans to make SmackDown! a spicier,
more electrifying show. "[SmackDown!]'s got great athletes
and they've got great action, they've done some tremendous
stuff, but I want it to knock you off the couch when it
opens up," Rhodes said.

The industry veteran, who is heavily anticipating working
under Stephanie McMahon, still hopes to have a final match
with Ric Flair.

The Techno Bat

09-03-2005, 06:28 PM

Watching Smackdown this week, I wonder: When will Randy RKO his father? :confused:

I don't think it will happen because Bob Orton isn't a legend.... LoL

Hunter Rider

09-03-2005, 06:45 PM

For 3Dman:up:

http://www.owow.com/RingsideWith/Victoria/Gallery-2/15.jpg

Twitch

09-03-2005, 06:54 PM

I don't think it will happen because Bob Orton isn't a legend.... LoL

Actually he is, he counts as a legend because he's in the Hall of Fame.

Hunter Rider

09-03-2005, 06:57 PM

Here ya go Twitch:D

http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/6956/ycsm2pb.gif

Twitch

09-03-2005, 06:59 PM

Here ya go Twitch:D

http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/6956/ycsm2pb.gif

HOLY **** :eek::up:

Can you cut the blue line if possible :o

Hunter Rider

09-03-2005, 07:00 PM

HOLY **** :eek::up:

Can you cut the blue line if possible :o

only if i make it widescreen:(

Twitch

09-03-2005, 07:01 PM

only if i make it widescreen:(

Don't do it then :confused:

Twitch

09-03-2005, 07:05 PM

Its kickass hunter :o:up:

Where did you find it?

Hunter Rider

09-03-2005, 07:05 PM

Don't do it then :confused:

this is it in widescreen:o

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/725/16zo.gif

Hunter Rider

09-03-2005, 07:05 PM

Its kickass hunter :o:up:

Where did you find it?

on some wrestling forum when i was browsing for news,i found a Orton RKO,ing Taker as well:up:

Lobo

09-03-2005, 07:07 PM

hunter I think your confusing the wrestling and avvy threads :o :p

Twitch

09-03-2005, 07:08 PM

on some wrestling forum when i was browsing for news,i found a Orton RKO,ing Taker as well:up:

post the RKO one damm you :o:up:

Hunter Rider

09-03-2005, 07:12 PM

post the RKO one damm you :o:up:

i havent cut it yet:o ,there so damn big:(

http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/8620/rko4bm5go.gif

Twitch

09-03-2005, 07:15 PM

i havent cut it yet:o ,there so damn big:(

http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/8620/rko4bm5go.gif

I swear SHH needs to add 100x100 avatars, but that will never happen :(

Lobo

09-03-2005, 07:16 PM

Or it'll happen and only staff can use then like at cs

Hunter Rider

09-03-2005, 07:16 PM

I swear SHH needs to add 100x100 avatars, but that will never happen :(

the dream is 125x125 120KB:( :up:

Twitch

09-03-2005, 07:18 PM

the dream is 125x125 120KB:( :up:

That would be so ****ing sweet :(:up:

Hunter Rider

09-03-2005, 07:25 PM

http://www.ringinsider.com/wrestlingmedia/photos/gifs/spiraltap.gif

....

Twitch

09-03-2005, 07:28 PM

http://www.ringinsider.com/wrestlingmedia/photos/gifs/spiraltap.gif

....

I don't see anything :confused:

Hunter Rider

09-03-2005, 07:30 PM

I don't see anything :confused:

hang on,is it a red X ? :mad:

Jason Blood

09-03-2005, 07:30 PM

http://www.ringinsider.com/wrestlingmedia/photos/gifs/spiraltap.gif

....
I can't see it...

Twitch

09-03-2005, 07:31 PM

hang on,is it a red X ? :mad:

No, I just can't see it :confused:

Hunter Rider

09-03-2005, 07:34 PM

No, I just can't see it :confused:

How about now ?

http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/1301/spiraltap3tl.gif

http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/6359/sabuneck3gi.gif

Twitch

09-03-2005, 07:37 PM

How about now ?

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http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/6359/sabuneck3gi.gif

I ony see 2 if I'm supposed to be seeing 3

Hunter Rider

09-03-2005, 07:40 PM

I ony see 2 if I'm supposed to be seeing 3

no theres only 2 there.Styles doing a top rope move and Benoit breaking Sabu's neck

Twitch

09-03-2005, 07:46 PM

no theres only 2 there.Styles doing a top rope move and Benoit breaking Sabu's neck

Speaking of Sabu

Here's one from the orginal ECW invasion of WWF.

http://img91.exs.cx/img91/725/ecwinvasion8qn.gif

Hunter Rider

09-03-2005, 07:50 PM

Speaking of Sabu

Here's one from the orginal ECW invasion of WWF.

http://img91.exs.cx/img91/725/ecwinvasion8qn.gif

awesome:eek: :up:

heres daniels doing his finish

http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/7400/angelwings1cl.gif

Twitch

09-03-2005, 07:54 PM

awesome:eek: :up:

heres daniels doing his finish

http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/7400/angelwings1cl.gif

ROH is a so must better Wrestling minor league then OVW :up:

Jason Blood

09-03-2005, 08:29 PM

I think there's a WWE.com exclusive match between Vito and Steven Richards

Hunter Rider

09-03-2005, 08:57 PM

Couple of hype usable Jeff avvys if ya want them Twitch:o

http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/9914/a4gs.gif

http://img391.imageshack.us/img391/9330/b4vl.gif

jackcool

09-03-2005, 09:19 PM

on some wrestling forum when i was browsing for news,i found a Orton RKO,ing Taker as well:up:

Another great Orton avatar would be the footage right at the beginning of his music video :o

jackcool

09-03-2005, 09:24 PM

ROH is a so must better Wrestling minor league then OVW :up:

I agree. I really wouldn't mind seeing the WWE end their agreement with OVW and just send their wrestlers to ROH, kinda like what they did with ECW a long time ago.

Twitch

09-03-2005, 09:31 PM

Couple of hype usable Jeff avvys if ya want them Twitch:o

http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/9914/a4gs.gif

http://img391.imageshack.us/img391/9330/b4vl.gif

Thank you very :up:

Twitch

09-03-2005, 09:37 PM

I agree. I really wouldn't mind seeing the WWE end their agreement with OVW and just send their wrestlers to ROH, kinda like what they did with ECW a long time ago.

I don't think the company wants to deal with WWE anyway. I think they are very happy sharing their talent with TNA...

jackcool

09-03-2005, 09:45 PM

I don't think the company wants to deal with WWE anyway. I think they are very happy sharing their talent with TNA...

I dunno, ROH fans aren't too happy with TNA. There are always frequent "**** TNA" chants during their events. Plus, it might do wonders for ROH (and it would really get in the face of TNA) if they make a deal with WWE.....

Twitch

09-03-2005, 09:48 PM

I dunno, ROH fans aren't too happy with TNA. There are always frequent "**** TNA" chants during their events. Plus, it might do wonders for ROH (and it would really get in the face of TNA) if they make a deal with WWE.....

Are these Fans morons? or do they just want ROH to be independent? :confused:

jackcool

09-03-2005, 09:50 PM

They just don't like TNA. It's a whole rivalry thing. And yeah, it does seem like at times that ROH is just content with satisfying their very small audience and that's it.

Twitch

09-03-2005, 09:53 PM

They just don't like TNA. It's a whole rivalry thing. And yeah, it does seem like at times that ROH is just content with satisfying their very small audience and that's it.

I can see a whole Monday Night Wars Rip-off storyline out of this. :o

jackcool

09-03-2005, 09:55 PM

Not really. I see more of a ECW-WCW feud between the two. That's why I really wouldn't mind seeing the WWE use ROH as their "minor-leagues" now. It might be beneficial for both sides if they could come to some sort of agreement like that.....

Twitch

09-03-2005, 10:01 PM

TheVileOne

09-03-2005, 11:10 PM

ROH would never be a minor leagues for WWE. For one thing their wrestling style is much too superior and intense for WWE. The whole reason they have OVW is so they can limit and train talented workers to wrestle "their" style.

3dman27

09-04-2005, 04:47 AM

For 3Dman:up:

http://www.owow.com/RingsideWith/Victoria/Gallery-2/15.jpg
thanks

The Techno Bat

09-04-2005, 09:50 AM

Actually he is, he counts as a legend because he's in the Hall of Fame.

Not really sure he belongs there though. What did he actually accomplish in his WWF career? Nothing really sticks out except the fact that he wore a cast on his arm. Did he win any titles? Any notable fueds? Put anybody over? I am just curious is all, not trying to start a fight...

The Techno Bat

09-04-2005, 09:58 AM

I see matt says its a 5 part feud:confused: To be honest i can't see any reason for WWE to push Matt,he is a decent worker but his mic skills are crap and the crowd really arent interested in him now the heat has died down,i think they all got caught up in the sensationalism and now they realise that it's still just Matt Hardy

I strongly disagree (with all respect of course) I think that the entire Matt Hardy vs Edge feud is actually going to help Edge out...Because without this feud who would Edge be going up against right now? Sure he is the Money in the Bank man and has his title shot whenever he wants, but why hasn't he gotten it? It's because EDGE isn't that great. I think Matt Hardy is a great worker, and you don't have to be the best guy on the mic to be over, take Chris Benoit for example, he is probably one of the worst guys on the microphone and he has held numerous title belts, including the WCW & WWE World Title belts.

But getting back to Matt Hardy I think with last week's street fight and the way it ended It will have alot of people getting more interested in it, and besides it was one of the better matches on RAW that week.

3dman27

09-04-2005, 11:20 AM

source lords of pain
gail kim is onnthe verge of signing with tna wrestling and it is hoped that nora greenwald/molly holly will soon follow
that is hoped will build a womens division for tna

Hunter Rider

09-04-2005, 12:07 PM

I strongly disagree (with all respect of course) I think that the entire Matt Hardy vs Edge feud is actually going to help Edge out...Because without this feud who would Edge be going up against right now? Sure he is the Money in the Bank man and has his title shot whenever he wants, but why hasn't he gotten it? It's because EDGE isn't that great. I think Matt Hardy is a great worker, and you don't have to be the best guy on the mic to be over, take Chris Benoit for example, he is probably one of the worst guys on the microphone and he has held numerous title belts, including the WCW & WWE World Title belts.

But getting back to Matt Hardy I think with last week's street fight and the way it ended It will have alot of people getting more interested in it, and besides it was one of the better matches on RAW that week.

The thing is Benoit uses his limited mic skills to further his no nonsense character,plus he has talent and presence well beyond Matt IMO

As far as who is benefitting the most from the Matt/Edge feud i think it's Matt,it's the highest profile one he's had where as Edge has had feuds with HBK,Angle and Benoit,if it wasnt for the controversey with Lita, Edge would be in the title feud with Cena

I do agree though that the excellent street fight on RAW really kicked their feud up a notch and i look forward to what they have planned for Unforgiven

U.S War Machine

09-04-2005, 12:16 PM

Who's gonna watch Unforgivin

Savage

09-04-2005, 12:18 PM

That's on tonight?:confused: Well I guess I'll watch it.

EDIT: Oh. 18th. Eh. Guess I'll watch it.

Twitch

09-04-2005, 12:40 PM

YES

My mom just orderd RVD's DVD from WWEshop.com :up:

I gave her my cash to pay for it.

**** TNA for now :o

Hunter Rider

09-04-2005, 01:56 PM

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Hunter Rider

09-04-2005, 01:57 PM

YES

My mom just orderd RVD's DVD from WWEshop.com :up:

I gave her my cash to pay for it.

**** TNA for now :o

Good choice RVD has had some classics :up:

Twitch

09-04-2005, 03:09 PM

Good choice RVD has had some classics :up:

What I would give for a HBK vs. RVD ladder match for the World Title :(:up:

Jason Blood

09-04-2005, 03:26 PM

Did anyone else catch Brian Kendrick's return on Velocity?

I can't wait to see more of his matches

TheVileOne

09-04-2005, 03:32 PM

Who's gonna watch Unforgivin

Retards who hate their money would be my first guest.

YES

My mom just orderd RVD's DVD from WWEshop.com

I gave her my cash to pay for it.

**** TNA for now

Bad form Twitch. Last time I checked, WWE has been totally wasting RVD for quite some time as well.

Did anyone else catch Brian Kendrick's return on Velocity?

I can't wait to see more of his matches

You are watching the wrong promotion if you want to see that. Try looking on the ROH website or Highspots.com.

Hunter Rider

09-04-2005, 03:35 PM

Retards who hate their money would be my first guest.

:rolleyes:

Bad form Twitch. Last time I checked, WWE has been totally wasting RVD for quite some time as well.

The DVD contains a lot of his ECW matches including his classics with Jerry Lynn and Sabu

Twitch

09-04-2005, 03:38 PM

Bad form Twitch. Last time I checked, WWE has been totally wasting RVD for quite some time as well.

RVD has had some awesome matches before WWE started wasting him. Ever Seen him In ECW? Oh and and Vile you are such a TNA whore that you forgot I was kidding about the TNA comment :down

TheVileOne

09-04-2005, 03:54 PM

RVD has had some awesome matches before WWE started wasting him. Ever Seen him In ECW? Oh and and Vile you are such a TNA whore that you forgot I was kidding about the TNA comment :down

Don't talk to me about ECW. I watched ECW from the beginning to the end. Those bastards knew how to use Rob Van Dam.

I am a TNA whore, and I take it way too seriously. So you are right.

TheVileOne

09-04-2005, 03:56 PM

:rolleyes:

Did I say something wrong? HBK vs. Chris Masters ain't worth 35 dollars.

The DVD contains a lot of his ECW matches including his classics with Jerry Lynn and Sabu

I've seen all those matches. And yes the DVD is great. It just makes me sadder that WWE is totally clueless on how to use him. This is a guy that should be competing for the world title.

One of my favorite RVD and ECW matches is vs. Lance Storm for the TV title at Guilty As Charged 1999. Fantastic show BTW, I recommend it if anyone can find it anywhere.

Hunter Rider

09-04-2005, 04:02 PM

Did I say something wrong? HBK vs. Chris Masters ain't worth 35 dollars.

I've seen all those matches. And yes the DVD is great. It just makes me sadder that WWE is totally clueless on how to use him. This is a guy that should be competing for the world title.

One of my favorite RVD and ECW matches is vs. Lance Storm for the TV title at Guilty As Charged 1999. Fantastic show BTW, I recommend it if anyone can find it anywhere.

well persoanlly i think part 3 of the Edge/Hardy feud plus Angle/Cena are interesting matches and i also want to see how Falir and HBk do trying to bring Carlito and Masters on,they have to start somewhere
There's no one more critical of the under use of RVD,Benjamin ,Y2J and Christian than me

the roll eyes was for your retard comment about ppl who may want to see the event and also the fact is all you do on here is take shots at WWE and pimp TNA like you were getting paid,
yes a couple of there wrestlers look quiite good but Jarret,Raven and Rhino on the title scene isnt that appealing either IMO

Hunter Rider

09-04-2005, 04:04 PM

oh and i have that tape,good show like most of ECW's shows

Twitch

09-04-2005, 04:08 PM

Hunter Rider

09-04-2005, 04:11 PM

With all do regards HR I disagree with you about Rhino. IMO he shouldn't win the title but at least keep him a main eventer.

Personally I wouldn't mind a Rhyno and Edge fuend if the WWE kept him and used him right.

oh im sure Rhino and Raven will be a decent match but i was meaning that it isnt anymore appealing than Cena/Angle or Batista/Eddie right now,non are what i would call particuarly exciting main event title feuds

Twitch

09-04-2005, 04:13 PM

oh im sure Rhino and Raven will be a decent match but i was meaning that it isnt anymore appealing than Cena/Angle or Batista/Eddie right now,non are what i would call particuarly exciting main event title feuds

Now I see where you're coming from.

TheVileOne

09-04-2005, 04:15 PM

well persoanlly i think part 3 of the Edge/Hardy feud plus Angle/Cena are interesting matches and i also want to see how Falir and HBk do trying to bring Carlito and Masters on,they have to start somewhere
There's no one more critical of the under use of RVD,Benjamin ,Y2J and Christian than me

The edge Hardy feud sucks. I really don't care about what they do next with it at all.

Carlito is a glorified jobber.

Masters is pathetic.

Benjamin should be facing or feuding with HBK, not this Masters slug.

That these slugs are getting such prolific spots on the card over truly talented performers like Shelton Benjamin offends me.

the roll eyes was for your retard comment about ppl who may want to see the event and also the fact is all you do on here is take shots at WWE and pimp TNA like you were getting paid,

I assure you hunter rider, TNA doesn't pay me anything :) .

The comment was partly a joke, but I really don't know one good reason why someone would waste 35 dollars on what looks to be a mediocre show.

yes a couple of there wrestlers look quiite good but Jarret,Raven and Rhino on the title scene isnt that appealing either IMO

The majority of fans disagree. Raven's world title win earlier this year was long overdue. TNA is just using Rhino properly. Now Rhino is the intimidating monster he was in ECW. Something WWE never did after they brought him back from neck surgery.

With all do regards HR I disagree with you about Rhino. IMO he shouldn't win the title but at least keep him a main eventer.

Personally I wouldn't mind a Rhyno and Edge fuend if the WWE kept him and used him right.

I think they did sorta have a mini-feud in 2001 when Team RECK (Rhyno, Edge, Christian, and Kurt) had a melt-down. Actually Edge faced Rhino in the semi-finals of the King Of The Ring 2001 tournament on PPV.

Hunter Rider

09-04-2005, 04:20 PM

The edge Hardy feud sucks. I really don't care about what they do next with it at all.

your opinion and also if you hate it so much why do you still watch ? i mean you must still be watching to think the feud sucks right ? it wouldn't just be your TNA fanboy coming out would it ?

Carlito is a glorified jobber.

Masters is pathetic.

both need time to be developed i agree but by giving them matches like this maybe they can be brought on

Benjamin should be facing or feuding with HBK, not this Masters slug.

That these slugs are getting such prolific spots on the card over truly talented performers like Shelton Benjamin offends me.

again why are you watching if it offends you ? I am huge fan of Benjamin but the fact he cant get a sentence out convincingly on tV has hurt him

I assure you hunter rider, TNA doesn't pay me anything :) .

They should be:p

The majority of fans disagree. Raven's world title win earlier this year was long overdue. TNA is just using Rhino properly. Now Rhino is the intimidating monster he was in ECW. Something WWE never did after they brought him back from neck surgery.

Rhino is a decent worker but he's no main eventer,i liked his feud with Sandman in ECW but he isnt that great IMO as for Raven yes fanboys like Raven (that includes me) but just like Foley's deseveing title win it wont sell major tickets,The Rock did that

Twitch

09-04-2005, 04:23 PM

The edge Hardy feud sucks. I really don't care about what they do next with it at all.

Carlito is a glorified jobber.

Masters is pathetic.

Benjamin should be facing or feuding with HBK, not this Masters slug.

That these slugs are getting such prolific spots on the card over truly talented performers like Shelton Benjamin offends me.

I strongly disagree with this, IMO Edge and hardy is why I keep watching Raw.

You won't admit it but Masters is a improved wrestler then when he first started out. Carlito could be a great Mid-Card heel if WWE didn't play him as a coward. Did you see the match he had with Cena? HBK is just helping Masters show off his power and hopefully he fuends with Shelton after Unforgiven.

jackcool

09-04-2005, 04:42 PM

Not really sure he belongs there though. What did he actually accomplish in his WWF career? Nothing really sticks out except the fact that he wore a cast on his arm. Did he win any titles? Any notable fueds? Put anybody over? I am just curious is all, not trying to start a fight...

The only reason why he was put on the HOF this year was probably to help his son get over. Plus it seemed like they were going for a WM 1 motif with Hogan, Piper, and Orton all a part of the first WM main event...

TheVileOne

09-04-2005, 04:43 PM

your opinion and also if you hate it so much why do you still watch ? i mean you must still be watching to think the feud sucks right ? it wouldn't just be your TNA fanboy coming out would it ?

I don't watch it. Eh well, I saw Summerslam. But I read the PBP results online.

both need time to be developed i agree but by giving them matches like this maybe they can be brought on

It doesn't matter how much time Masters is given. He's always going to suck. You didn't see Shelton Benjamin sucking this much when he first came in. He was having great matches right from the start.

again why are you watching if it offends you ? I am huge fan of Benjamin but the fact he cant get a sentence out convincingly on tV has hurt him

...I'm not... :confused:

They should be:p

Indeed they should with the amount of lip service I give them...ba dum bum.

But I really don't care, I just want to spread the word about TNA and get more people onto it over WWE.

Rhino is a decent worker but he's no main eventer,i liked his feud with Sandman in ECW but he isnt that great IMO as for Raven yes fanboys like Raven (that includes me) but just like Foley's deseveing title win it wont sell major tickets,The Rock did that

In ECW he was a main eventer. And in TNA he's a main eventer once again.

That thing about what you said, Raven not selling tickets. TNA doesn't sell tickets! Of course they are selling tickets for Bound For Glory, but that's for entrance to the fanfest and getting a guaranteed seat. But fans do not pay to watch Impact at Universal Studios.

I also think your statement about Foley is false. From 1998-2000, I'd say Foley was one of WWE's top draws. Certainly not as big as the Rock or Stone Cold, but Foley was the reason a good deal of people were watching.

I strongly disagree with this, IMO Edge and hardy is why I keep watching Raw.

After getting squashed by Rob Conway, the BS disappointment at Summerslam, and the lame finish to the street fight...I've lost all faith in whatever good could've come out of it.

You won't admit it but Masters is a improved wrestler then when he first started out. Carlito could be a great Mid-Card heel if WWE didn't play him as a coward. Did you see the match he had with Cena? HBK is just helping Masters show off his power and hopefully he fuends with Shelton after Unforgiven.

Masters has improved. He's improved from being a sucky, talentless turd to just a talentless turd. I think Orlando Jordan has done such as well :) .

Carlito is supposed to IC champion, and yet WWE is constantly having his ass get handed to him by older and retired performers. At Wrestlemania and just recently on RAW. I saw his matches with Cena, and I saw how Carlito was constantly made out to be Cena's ***** on RAW AND Smackdown. This is not how you build a credible superstar and get fans to care about him.

jackcool

09-04-2005, 04:48 PM

In ECW he was a main eventer. And in TNA he's a main eventer once again.

That thing about what you said, Raven not selling tickets. TNA doesn't sell tickets! Of course they are selling tickets for Bound For Glory, but that's for entrance to the fanfest and getting a guaranteed seat. But fans do not pay to watch Impact at Universal Studios.

I also think your statement about Foley is false. From 1998-2000, I'd say Foley was one of WWE's top draws. Certainly not as big as the Rock or Stone Cold, but Foley was the reason a good deal of people were watching.

About Raven, I think honestly, he thrives on a smaller stage like ECW or TNA. It's pretty hard for a character that he portrays to get over huge in a WWE or WCW.

Also, I really don't like comparing TNA to the WWE. The two wrestling companies are entirely different entities IMO. It'll be like trying to compare the WWE to UFC. TNA is more about the wrestling. While WWE (sadly) has been a lot more about the sports entertainment. What wrestler they can market the hell out of. It's not really about the wrestling skill, but more about the personality and the look of the wrestler more than anything.

TheVileOne

09-04-2005, 04:54 PM

About Raven, I think honestly, he thrives on a smaller stage like ECW or TNA. It's pretty hard for a character that he portrays to get over huge in a WWE or WCW.

Raven was over in WCW and WWE. They just pretty much screwed him over big time in both places. But you are right, Raven thrives much better in the TNA environment.

Also, I really don't like comparing TNA to the WWE. The two wrestling companies are entirely different entities IMO. It'll be like trying to compare the WWE to UFC. TNA is more about the wrestling. While WWE (sadly) has been a lot more about the sports entertainment. What wrestler they can market the hell out of. It's not really about the wrestling skill, but more about the personality and the look of the wrestler more than anything.

Think about it this way jackcool. For me, between WWE and TNA...there is no comparison. TNA is just superior with their in-ring product and that's what matters to me. The simpler and more SENSICAL storylines and feuds of TNA appeal more to me than the crap from the minds of the WWE UN-creative team.

jackcool

09-04-2005, 04:56 PM

Yeah, I know. It seems like you prefer the TNA/ROH style of wrestling more. Personally, I still watch both wrestling programs. There's still some things in the WWE that I continue to like watching and at the same time, I still watch Impact every week (that is until it goes on Spike TV since I don't even get that damn channel anymore! :mad: ). Do I really prefer one company over another? Not really. I'm just happy that there is another wrestling company to watch now :up:

Hunter Rider

09-04-2005, 04:57 PM

It doesn't matter how much time Masters is given. He's always going to suck. You didn't see Shelton Benjamin sucking this much when he first came in. He was having great matches right from the start.

thats true but not many have the natural talent that he has ,most have to be brought and whilst im no big fan of Masters i think a match with HBK will do him some good

Indeed they should with the amount of lip service I give them...ba dum bum.

But I really don't care, I just want to spread the word about TNA and get more people onto it over WWE.

thats as stupid as the marvel/DC and X Box/Playstation war crap,i'd personaly rather have 2 promotions to watch

In ECW he was a main eventer. And in TNA he's a main eventer once again.

That thing about what you said, Raven not selling tickets. TNA doesn't sell tickets! Of course they are selling tickets for Bound For Glory, but that's for entrance to the fanfest and getting a guaranteed seat. But fans do not pay to watch Impact at Universal Studios.

I also think your statement about Foley is false. From 1998-2000, I'd say Foley was one of WWE's top draws. Certainly not as big as the Rock or Stone Cold, but Foley was the reason a good deal of people were watching.

i should have said sell PPV's, Raven is not gonna carry TNA onto the playing field against WWE in fact i don't think they have any stars that can draw big PPV buyrates

jackcool

09-04-2005, 05:01 PM

thats as stupid as the marvel/DC and X Box/Playstation war crap,i'd personaly rather have 2 promotions to watch

Yep. The worst thing that Vince ever did was probably buying up WCW and ECW. Not only did the planned Invasion angle bomb badly, but the WWE product just hasn't been the same since....

Hunter Rider

09-04-2005, 05:02 PM

Yep. The worst thing that Vince ever did was probably buying up WCW and ECW. Not only did the planned Invasion angle bomb badly, but the WWE product just hasn't been the same since....

yeah,theyv'e gotten lazy about their product due to the lack of competition,sadly i dont see TNA being a WCW sized rival for them

Riggs15382

09-04-2005, 05:03 PM

I wanna see the nfl raid the wwe by having the football players kick the ship outta the wrestlers!

jackcool

09-04-2005, 05:04 PM

yeah,theyv'e gotten lazy about their product due to the lack of competition,sadly i dont see TNA being a WCW sized rival for them

Me neither. They don't really have the Ted Turner-type money to buy some of the WWE talent like WCW was. And honestly, that was the reason why WCW was able to compete with the WWE. They'll have a huge cult following ala ECW, but beyond that, I really don't know at this point....

Hunter Rider

09-04-2005, 05:06 PM

Me neither. They don't really have the Ted Turner-type money to buy some of the WWE talent like WCW was. And honestly, that was the reason why WCW was able to compete with the WWE. They'll have a huge cult following ala ECW, but beyond that, I really don't know at this point....

yeah thats exact;y how WCW did it,they bought just about every star they hade
most of the guys on the TNA roster are mid card guys from WWE and their own talents like Daniels,Styles and Joe while gifted i dont think cross over into the mainstream

jackcool

09-04-2005, 05:08 PM

Hunter Rider

09-04-2005, 05:10 PM

Daniels, I could see maybe. And Styles as well. Those two could be the versions of Ric Flair and Sting (albeit in a much lesser form). But it would do wonders for the company if they could acquire Chris Jericho. Although, I really don't see Jericho leaving. He told Vince that he wouldn't think of it and I really don't see Jericho trying to burn bridges with the WWE.....

2 things will hurt those 2 IMO size and mic work,i think the US audience is still keen on big men champions and promos play a big part in attracting the mainstream audience

TheVileOne

09-04-2005, 05:14 PM

yeah thats exact;y how WCW did it,they bought just about every star they hade
most of the guys on the TNA roster are mid card guys from WWE and their own talents like Daniels,Styles and Joe while gifted i dont think cross over into the mainstream

I don't think spreading the word about TNA is stupid :( .

You know how WWE eventually beat WCW hunter rider? By showcasing and building up newer, better talent. It didn't matter that WCW had all the old WWE guys under the sun, they still got their asses beat.

Stone Cold Steve Austin? Never a main event talent in WCW. He was always a "MID CARD GUY!" Triple H? Even lower on the totem pole in WCW than Austin. Granted Austin was one of their bigger stars and held many titles, he was still never a main eventer. Yet these 2 people eventually became two of WWE's biggest draws and stars ever.

jackcool

09-04-2005, 05:14 PM

Hunter Rider

09-04-2005, 05:17 PM

I don't think spreading the word about TNA is stupid :( .

You know how WWE eventually beat WCW hunter rider? By showcasing and building up newer, better talent. It didn't matter that WCW had all the old WWE guys under the sun, they still got their asses beat.

Stone Cold Steve Austin? Never a main event talent in WCW. He was always a "MID CARD GUY!" Triple H? Even lower on the totem pole in WCW than Austin. Granted Austin was one of their bigger stars and held many titles, he was still never a main eventer. Yet these 2 people eventually became two of WWE's biggest draws and stars ever.

i never said spreading the word about TNA was stupid i said wanting to down another promotion instead of having 2 was stupid

Im well aware of how WWE overcame WCW but the main eventers that were once WWE midcarders that now reside in TNA are not in Austins league and never will be ,,Rhino,Raven,Jarrett,Billy Gunn etc are not Austins in the making
and Styles,Daniels Joe are again not of the caliber overall of guys like The Rock,HHH etc

jackcool

09-04-2005, 05:17 PM

I don't think spreading the word about TNA is stupid :( .

You know how WWE eventually beat WCW hunter rider? By showcasing and building up newer, better talent. It didn't matter that WCW had all the old WWE guys under the sun, they still got their asses beat.

Actually, I think WWE beating WCW had more to do with WCW imploding due to the fact they were spending too much money and they kept switching focus all the time.

Plus, it didn't help that they brought back the nWo every six months :o

Hunter Rider

09-04-2005, 05:19 PM

While Styles is lacking in the mic department, I think Daniels is pretty good on the mic. But yeah, I think a lot of fans still prefer the Hulk/Austin style faces. That is they have the ability to cut a great promo and that's about it.

That's not to say I don't want TNA to succeed. Believe me, I want them to compete with the WWE. Particularly on Mondays. The best time to be a wrestling fan a few years back was during the height of the Monday Night Wars. You had good programming from both companies and it was usually a hard decision about which show to watch.

Im all for TNA doing well and i want to see guys like Styles and Daniels become huge draws the size of the Rock and HHH but unfortunately the US audience on a whole seems to have little interest in great in ring work and prefer Mic work and stupid storylines like weddings and what not

jackcool

09-04-2005, 05:20 PM

Im all for TNA doing well and i want to see guys like Styles and Daniels become huge draws the size of the Rock and HHH but unfortunately the US audience on a whole seems to have little interest in great in ring work and prefer Mic work and stupid storylines like weddings and what not

Yeah, I totally agree. It's probably why Vince continually wants to push guys with limited wrestling skill and great mic skills. That type of wrestler has continually been profitable for him, so why try to deviate from it?

TheVileOne

09-04-2005, 05:22 PM

I actually saw Styles cut a good promo in PWG. But you know, play to your strengths. AJ's one of the best wrestlers on the planet, so let him do his talking in the ring.

Benjamin isn't that great on the mic either last time I checked, he can get by fine though.

I know what you are saying jackcool, I was just presenting what I think is a valid point regarding TNA's superstars and "mid-carders from WWE".

Hunter Rider

09-04-2005, 05:23 PM

Yeah, I totally agree. It's probably why Vince continually wants to push guys with limited wrestling skill and great mic skills. That type of wrestler has continually been profitable for him, so why try to deviate from it?

sadly that is the case,we do have times with guys like HBK,The Rock,Angle,HHH and currently Orton who can do both but when push comes to shove vince will take a guy like Carlito over a guy like benjamin,it sucks but its the facts
Not sure why they are so intent on masters though as his mic work isnt that great and his physique isnt that much better than a dozen other dumbells that have passed through in the last 2 years

TheVileOne

09-04-2005, 05:26 PM

Im all for TNA doing well and i want to see guys like Styles and Daniels become huge draws the size of the Rock and HHH but unfortunately the US audience on a whole seems to have little interest in great in ring work and prefer Mic work and stupid storylines like weddings and what not

Well you know, at least TNA is trying to offer the public something different from WWE. And there's never going to be an interest in great in-ring work unless you give it to the fans.

There are certain times when WWE did give that to us and it really didn't do too badly at all.

jackcool

09-04-2005, 05:28 PM

Hunter Rider

09-04-2005, 05:30 PM

Well you know, at least TNA is trying to offer the public something different from WWE. And there's never going to be an interest in great in-ring work unless you give it to the fans.

There are certain times when WWE did give that to us and it really didn't do too badly at all.

then we see eye to eye on that at least,i was the one who was constantly bemoaning the way the crowd were popping for an old man like Hogan and a mediocre talent like Cena and the way WWE were pushing guys like Carlito and Masters,most said thats cos the audience only cares about that and not the ring product
Now TNA are giving them the option of choosing ring product and i for one hope they take that choice cos then WWe would then start using the guys they have properly,the talent is there in WWE they just dont utilize it

TheVileOne

09-04-2005, 05:32 PM

then we see eye to eye on that at least,i was the one who was constantly bemoaning the way the crowd were popping for an old man like Hogan and a mediocre talent like Cena and the way WWE were pushing guys like Carlito and Masters,most said thats cos the audience only cares about that and not the ring product

Well I agree with you 100% on Hogan and Cena. I thought Hogan's performance at Summerslam was PATHETIC and embarrassing.

Now TNA are giving them the option of choosing ring product and i for one hope they take that choice cos then WWe would then start using the guys they have properly,the talent is there in WWE they just dont utilize it

Well that's only if TNA brings in a decent amount of viewers. One would hope that TNA getting better ratings in a timeslot formerly owned by WWE would send them a signal. But that has yet to happen :( .

Hunter Rider

09-04-2005, 05:37 PM

Well I agree with you 100% on Hogan and Cena. I thought Hogan's performance at Summerslam was PATHETIC and embarrassing.

It basically the worst main event ive ever seen,HBKdid all he could but he was essentially wrestling himself
I know ppl have this nostalgia thing with Hogan but he essentially pissess on the buissness everytime he shows up IMO

Well that's only if TNA brings in a decent amount of viewers. One would hope that TNA getting better ratings in a timeslot formerly owned by WWE would send them a signal. But that has yet to happen :(

there debut on Spike ,when is it ? the next six months are gonna be important for them, they realy need to make Styles and Daniels centre stage IMO

jackcool

09-04-2005, 05:38 PM

there debut on Spike ,when is it ? the next six months are gonna be important for them, they realy need to make Styles and Daniels centre stage IMO

That would be great. But from the looks of the past few episodes of Impact, it seems more like they're still trying to put Jarrett at centre stage :(

Hunter Rider

09-04-2005, 05:42 PM

That would be great. But from the looks of the past few episodes of Impact, it seems more like they're still trying to put Jarrett at centre stage :(

the thing with Jarrett is i think he is better than WWE and SCSA ever let him be but the mainstream may well see him as a second rate guy,a cast off from WWE's mid card
I think a strong heel should be champion when they hit spike and Daniels would be my pick from what ive seen,having The faces chase the title will draw audiences in IMO

TheVileOne

09-04-2005, 05:45 PM

there debut on Spike ,when is it ? the next six months are gonna be important for them, they realy need to make Styles and Daniels centre stage IMO

October 1st. They are going to be in the dark again after Unbreakable.

Daniels and Styles ARE the center stage of the company. One week from today I think they are going to have a MOTYC with Joe.

Hunter Rider

09-04-2005, 05:56 PM

October 1st. They are going to be in the dark again after Unbreakable.

Daniels and Styles ARE the center stage of the company. One week from today I think they are going to have a MOTYC with Joe.

They fight over the X division title right ?
see i think they need to fight over the world title ,as to the mainstream wrestling audience the world title is the main one and they will see the X division as a cross between the Ic and Cruiserweight titles

Riggs15382

09-04-2005, 06:04 PM

I wanna see the nfl raid the wwe by having the football players kick the ship outta the wrestlers!
yeah I agree. ray lewis would nail batista right in the mouf

Hunter Rider

09-04-2005, 06:04 PM

quit spamming Riggs youve already been warned multiple times

Twitch

09-04-2005, 06:06 PM

yeah I agree. ray lewis would nail batista right in the mouf

Your a jackass, when it comes to football. Get out :o

Twitch

09-04-2005, 06:21 PM

Out of Boredom laugh at this (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=196031&page=1&pp=25)

He doesn't know anything about the NFL :o:down

TheVileOne

09-04-2005, 06:23 PM

They fight over the X division title right ?
see i think they need to fight over the world title ,as to the mainstream wrestling audience the world title is the main one and they will see the X division as a cross between the Ic and Cruiserweight titles

From day 1, I'd say the X Division is the premiere title of TNA and the only thing they have that no one else does. Daniels and Joe will be competing for the world title eventually I'm sure. But until than Daniels is giving much needed profile and credibility to the X Division and the X Division title.

Raven's world title reign is long overdue, and he should be world champ right now. The next step would be to give the title to guys like Abyss and Monty Brown. Basically people NOT named Jeff Jarrett. You want main event heels, Abyss and Monty can fill that role.

Hunter Rider

09-04-2005, 06:29 PM

From day 1, I'd say the X Division is the premiere title of TNA and the only thing they have that no one else does. Daniels and Joe will be competing for the world title eventually I'm sure. But until than Daniels is giving much needed profile and credibility to the X Division and the X Division title.

Raven's world title reign is long overdue, and he should be world champ right now. The next step would be to give the title to guys like Abyss and Monty Brown. Basically people NOT named Jeff Jarrett. You want main event heels, Abyss and Monty can fill that role.

i notice you mention Joe and Daniels fighting for the world title eventually,do you not think there are plans to put Styles back in the mix ?
YOu mention the X Division being the premiere title but is that ion terms of performances or as in main event status,for instance what macth usualy tops the card ? The X title match or the world title match

As for the 2 you mentioned,i dont knw much about Brown but isnt Abyss a non talking monster heel from the old school variety ?
As for Ravens title reign being overdue,that may be the case from a fan percpective but i think they need someone else to draw the bigger audienece,i hope im wrong but i doubt it

Riggs15382

09-04-2005, 06:49 PM

Out of Boredom laugh at this (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=196031&page=1&pp=25)

He doesn't know anything about the NFL :o:down
yes I do

Twitch

09-04-2005, 06:50 PM

yes I do

Sure you do :rolleyes:

Riggs15382

09-04-2005, 06:52 PM

well I dont mean to spoil your imagination, but wrestling isnt real

Hunter Rider

09-04-2005, 06:53 PM

well I dont mean to spoil your imagination, but wrestling isnt real

Give the man a cookie ,

Twitch

09-04-2005, 06:55 PM

well I dont mean to spoil your imagination, but wrestling isnt real

:eek: Wow you finally figured it out :eek:

and then you realize the people in this thread including me don't care :cool:

TheVileOne

09-04-2005, 07:17 PM

i notice you mention Joe and Daniels fighting for the world title eventually,do you not think there are plans to put Styles back in the mix ?

I'm really not sure. Styles himself prefers the X Division, and that's what he wants to be doing right now. So that kind of just shows you how significant the X Division is. Styles doesn't like slowing down and wrestling a "heavyweight" style.

YOu mention the X Division being the premiere title but is that ion terms of performances or as in main event status,for instance what macth usualy tops the card ? The X title match or the world title match

Usually the world title match. But its mainly in terms of matches. People don't remember the crappy Jeff Jarrett title defenses, they remember stuff like Ultimate X.

However, when TNA was only on PPV weekly, the main events were FREQUENTLY X Division title matches. One of the most famous being the triple ladder match between Low Ki, Styles, and Jerry Lynn in 2002.

As for the 2 you mentioned,i dont knw much about Brown but isnt Abyss a non talking monster heel from the old school variety ?
As for Ravens title reign being overdue,that may be the case from a fan percpective but i think they need someone else to draw the bigger audienece,i hope im wrong but i doubt it

Abyss doesn't talk, but he has a mouth piece, James Mitchell that talks for him. Abyss is also without hyperbole the best big man or superheavyweight in the business today.

Believe it or not Raven has a lot of fans. He was the guy of ECW, he was a top superstar in WCW and WWE as well. People know who he is. Raven as world champion is what they were clamoring to see for over 2 years and now we finally got it.

And there really aren't too many other people in TNA that will draw much better as world champion so its not much of an argument.

I mean Jeff Jarrett? He held the title for a year and I think it really just hurt the company. I'd say Raven is a top draw for TNA.

As for Riggs15382, you know what else is fake? Lethal Weapon movies you schmuck.

Metamorpho1977

09-04-2005, 07:19 PM

At least Smackdown has the possibility of some interesting storylines with Dusty Rhodes working with the creative staff now.

TheVileOne

09-04-2005, 07:23 PM

At least Smackdown has the possibility of some interesting storylines with Dusty Rhodes working with the creative staff now.

You've obviously not watched any wrestling eras that were booked by Dusty Rhodes :p .

To put it mildly, when Dusty Rhodes was booking TNA this year...it sucked.

Hunter Rider

09-04-2005, 07:27 PM

Usually the world title match. But its mainly in terms of matches. People don't remember the crappy Jeff Jarrett title defenses, they remember stuff like Ultimate X.

However, when TNA was only on PPV weekly, the main events were FREQUENTLY X Division title matches. One of the most famous being the triple ladder match between Low Ki, Styles, and Jerry Lynn in 2002.

I like the sound of that match,I just feel that they need their biggest draws in the world title scene but if they could sell the X Division as equally important then that would work to

Abyss doesn't talk, but he has a mouth piece, James Mitchell that talks for him. Abyss is also without hyperbole the best big man or superheavyweight in the business today.
How big is he exactly ? it will take something to convince me he is a better big man than Taker but if he can convey that size and menace he could hold a title if the audience still buy the monster heel
Has he been winning a lot lately cos i saw him lose in several TNA results listings

Believe it or not Raven has a lot of fans. He was the guy of ECW, he was a top superstar in WCW and WWE as well. People know who he is. Raven as world champion is what they were clamoring to see for over 2 years and now we finally got it.

And there really aren't too many other people in TNA that will draw much better as world champion so its not much of an argument.

I mean Jeff Jarrett? He held the title for a year and I think it really just hurt the company. I'd say Raven is a top draw for TNA.

i dont think Raven was ever a star in WWE they wasted him IMO but he was a big part of WCW at one point until they screwed him
do you think though he can draw like ,The Rock,HHH,HBK, etc ?or do you think if they want to compete they need to get a guy like Daniels as the champ ?

As for Riggs15382, you know what else is fake? Lethal Weapon movies you schmuck.

Ya know i always find "fake" a laughable term for pro wrestling,the results are determined and the matches worked but the pain and athletiscm is for real,i find that term so ignoarant when used in that context

TheVileOne

09-04-2005, 07:50 PM

How big is he exactly ? it will take something to convince me he is a better big man than Taker but if he can convey that size and menace he could hold a title if the audience still buy the monster heel

This is from the official TNA website, roster page for Abyss:

Height: 6'10"
Weight: 350 lb

Has he been winning a lot lately cos i saw him lose in several TNA results listings

He's got a pretty good win loss record. He won a 20 man gauntlet at Hard Justice to become the #1 contender. He beat Jeff Hardy at Against All Odds in a Full Metal Mayhem Match. He beat Lance Hoyt at Sacrifice. He's won most of his matches on IMPACT most recently.

Abyss could very easily be world champion right now if they so wanted.

i dont think Raven was ever a star in WWE they wasted him IMO but he was a big part of WCW at one point until they screwed him
do you think though he can draw like ,The Rock,HHH,HBK, etc ?or do you think if they want to compete they need to get a guy like Daniels as the champ ?

He had a pretty good run as the hardcore champion in 2001 and had some great matches with Rhyno.

And no, he's not going to draw like The Rock, HHH, or HBK. But what you need to understand Hunter Rider, there is not ONE person in TNA who can. That's why they have to build themselves up and develop more right now.

Daniels is one of TNA's top guys to be sure. They have him on a long term contract. I have no doubt he will be world champion eventually. But you make him world champion AFTER you go to Spike TV, not before. Right now, Daniels is exactly what the X Division needs.

Ya know i always find "fake" a laughable term for pro wrestling,the results are determined and the matches worked but the pain and athletiscm is for real,i find that term so ignoarant when used in that context

Exactly. For dedicated wrestling fans like us, that insult got old a LONG TIME ago. We've obviously already gotten passed that and have accepted it.

Hunter Rider

09-04-2005, 08:06 PM

This is from the official TNA website, roster page for Abyss:

Height: 6'10"
Weight: 350 lb

He's got a pretty good win loss record. He won a 20 man gauntlet at Hard Justice to become the #1 contender. He beat Jeff Hardy at Against All Odds in a Full Metal Mayhem Match. He beat Lance Hoyt at Sacrifice. He's won most of his matches on IMPACT most recently.

Abyss could very easily be world champion right now if they so wanted.

Ive seen highlights of him in his matches with styles and i gotta say he looked pretty good and mobile for a man that size but i wouldn't have pegged him as 6'10
what is a Full Metal Mayhem Match

He had a pretty good run as the hardcore champion in 2001 and had some great matches with Rhyno.

And no, he's not going to draw like The Rock, HHH, or HBK. But what you need to understand Hunter Rider, there is not ONE person in TNA who can. That's why they have to build themselves up and develop more right now.

Daniels is one of TNA's top guys to be sure. They have him on a long term contract. I have no doubt he will be world champion eventually. But you make him world champion AFTER you go to Spike TV, not before. Right now, Daniels is exactly what the X Division needs.

I see your point,Its the brand rather than an individual that will draw,an in ring Ethic if you will like ECW but more polished
i know Raven was HC champ but he could have been a lot more IMO that belt was pretty meaningless except a few bouts here and there
Do you think eventualy guys like AJ and Daniles could draw like WWE's biggest ?

Exactly. For dedicated wrestling fans like us, that insult got old a LONG TIME ago. We've obviously already gotten passed that and have accepted it.

In a lot of ways it increased my enjoyment and appreciation of the buissness and what it takes to be good at it,more skill in working a match than beating the crap outve each other like UFC IMO

Metamorpho1977

09-04-2005, 08:07 PM

You've obviously not watched any wrestling eras that were booked by Dusty Rhodes :p .

To put it mildly, when Dusty Rhodes was booking TNA this year...it sucked.

I did, and they were still better than most of what WWE has put out this year.

TheVileOne

09-04-2005, 08:19 PM

Ive seen highlights of him in his matches with styles and i gotta say he looked pretty good and mobile for a man that size but i wouldn't have pegged him as 6'10
what is a Full Metal Mayhem Match

Full Metal Mayhem is TNA's version of TLC.

I see your point,Its the brand rather than an individual that will draw,an in ring Ethic if you will like ECW but more polished
i know Raven was HC champ but he could have been a lot more IMO that belt was pretty meaningless except a few bouts here and there
Do you think eventualy guys like AJ and Daniles could draw like WWE's biggest ?

Right now? No. Eventually, maybe who knows. Daniels I think is the total package and has all the tools, moreso than Styles. Daniels is also considered to be the one of the best professional wrestlers on the planet. His work in Japan and the indies over the past decade plus has given him a lot of profile and cred. Though if I were to make a comparison, I'd say that AJ is the Rock of TNA and Christopher Daniels is Stone Cold.

In a lot of ways it increased my enjoyment and appreciation of the buissness and what it takes to be good at it,more skill in working a match than beating the crap outve each other like UFC IMO

Exactly. I think Bret Hart talked about it in wrestling of the Shadows, how much pride he took in NEVER hurting anyone in the ring. So the art is about making it look as real as possible without hurting the other guy.

jackcool

09-04-2005, 08:26 PM

Raven's world title reign is long overdue, and he should be world champ right now. The next step would be to give the title to guys like Abyss and Monty Brown. Basically people NOT named Jeff Jarrett. You want main event heels, Abyss and Monty can fill that role.

There are a lot of TNA wrestlers who could be in the main event. Lancy Hoyt could be a huge main event face for the company. He's probably the most over face in TNA at the moment. I also wouldn't mind Ron Killings being back in the main event picture.....

jackcool

09-04-2005, 08:28 PM

Right now? No. Eventually, maybe who knows. Daniels I think is the total package and has all the tools, moreso than Styles. Daniels is also considered to be the one of the best professional wrestlers on the planet. His work in Japan and the indies over the past decade plus has given him a lot of profile and cred. Though if I were to make a comparison, I'd say that AJ is the Rock of TNA and Christopher Daniels is Stone Cold.

Actually, I see Styles more as the Sting of TNA and Daniels as the Ric Flair for TNA.....which is a good comparison because WCW started out as NWA back then.....

TheVileOne

09-04-2005, 08:28 PM

TheVileOne

09-04-2005, 08:29 PM

Actually, I see Styles more as the Sting of TNA and Daniels as the Ric Flair for TNA.....which is a good comparison because WCW started out as NWA back then.....
That's probably a more apt comparison. I was just thinking of a more modern analogy to appease Hunter-rider :) .

jackcool

09-04-2005, 08:30 PM

The most over face in TNA at the moment would be AJ :) .

Hoyt's not ready for the main event scene yet, he needs to work his way up more. Its not something you can rush and pull the trigger on too early like Randy Orton :p .

I dunno...those Hoyt-mania shirts are going over huge. I honestly think Hoyt could be the huge main-event face in the future....

jackcool

09-04-2005, 08:33 PM

That's probably a more apt comparison. I was just thinking of a more modern analogy to appease Hunter-rider :) .

I think HR would know it better with the Flair-Sting comparison though :p

And the Styles-Sting comparison fits as well because they're both devout Christians :up:

Hunter Rider

09-04-2005, 08:38 PM

That's probably a more apt comparison. I was just thinking of a more modern analogy to appease Hunter-rider :) .

I am not appeased by modern analogies:mad: :p

Aj and The Rock i could see but when you said Daniels and Stone Cold i was gonna reply "But i thought you said he was a talented in ring worker":confused: :D

jackcool

09-04-2005, 08:39 PM

Actually, I don't see much of a comparison between AJ and the Rock. Austin and Daniels maybe. I like my WCW comparison more! :mad: :D

TheVileOne

09-04-2005, 08:41 PM

Hunter Rider

09-04-2005, 08:43 PM

Actually, I don't see much of a comparison between AJ and the Rock. Austin and Daniels maybe. I like my WCW comparison more! :mad: :D

I see Daniels in the HBk mould but i havent seen a lot of him
As for AJ i think Sting is the best comparison as both are not the best on the mic but have big followings and in ring talent

jackcool

09-04-2005, 08:43 PM

Honestly, when TNA moves to Spike TV, I would rather have Styles and Daniels still take part in the X-division. That way, the X-division could be seen as equal to the heavyweight division. Leave the heavyweight division to guys like Abyss, Raven, Alpha Male, The Truth, Lancy Hoyt, Jarrett, etc.

jackcool

09-04-2005, 08:44 PM

I see Daniels in the HBk mould but i havent seen a lot of him
As for AJ i think Sting is the best comparison as both are not the best on the mic but have big followings and in ring talent

Yep. Plus they're both synonymous with their companies. Sting was WCW. Just like Styles is TNA.

TheVileOne

09-04-2005, 08:45 PM

Styles is the only triple crown champion of TNA as well.

Hunter Rider

09-04-2005, 08:45 PM

Haha, funny :) .

Stone Cold's had some great matches in his day. Not as great as Daniels to be sure though.

Daniels is now at around the same age Austin was when Austin became a huge superstar in WWF.

Yeah in fairness to Austin he has had some good matches,i think his last 2 years were poor though as the injuries set in

jackcool

09-04-2005, 08:46 PM

Styles is the only triple crown champion of TNA as well.

Yeah. Although I would've thought Jerry Lynn would've made a good heavyweight champion as well :o

Hunter Rider

09-04-2005, 08:49 PM

Yeah. Although I would've thought Jerry Lynn would've made a good heavyweight champion as well :o

his matches with RVD are among the best ever IMO

jackcool

09-04-2005, 08:50 PM

his matches with RVD are among the best ever IMO

Yep. And his matches with Styles were just as great. And he really did fit in as the veteran presence in the X-division.

Riggs15382

09-04-2005, 08:51 PM

:eek: Wow you finally figured it out :eek:

and then you realize the people in this thread including me don't care :cool:
actually I was just making sure you knew.

TheVileOne

09-04-2005, 08:52 PM

I thought Lynn's match and storyline this year with Sean Waltman was more engaging and compelling than all the BS from the WWE un-creative team.

jackcool

09-04-2005, 08:53 PM

I thought Lynn's match and storyline this year with Sean Waltman was more engaging and compelling than all the BS from the WWE un-creative team.

Yep. I've actually been surprised with Waltman in TNA. But I have a feeling he's going back to the WWE soon....:(

Hunter Rider

09-04-2005, 08:54 PM

Yep. And his matches with Styles were just as great. And he really did fit in as the veteran presence in the X-division.

The first match i ever saw of Lynn/RVD was at Living Dangerously 99 and it wnet to a time linit draw,it was head and shoulders above 95% of WWF and WCW's output at the time

TheVileOne

09-04-2005, 09:27 PM

The first match i ever saw of Lynn/RVD was at Living Dangerously 99 and it wnet to a time linit draw,it was head and shoulders above 95% of WWF and WCW's output at the time
No wonder they did jack with Lynn in WWE and wasting WWE now.

jackcool

09-04-2005, 09:29 PM

It's the WWE style as well. I don't think Lynn could adapt to the WWE ring as well. Probably why it took a little while for RVD to adapt to the WWE as well.....I remember one time when they had a Lynn-RVD match but it was assigned to Sunday Night Heat :(

Twitch

09-04-2005, 09:32 PM

actually I was just making sure you knew.

You are a ****ing idiot, you realize that?

jackcool

09-04-2005, 10:13 PM

What happened to Sunny? :eek: :(

http://www.tammysytch.net/4images/data/media/2/697.jpg

The Techno Bat

09-04-2005, 10:34 PM

The only reason why he was put on the HOF this year was probably to help his son get over. Plus it seemed like they were going for a WM 1 motif with Hogan, Piper, and Orton all a part of the first WM main event...

Good Point about the whole WM1 theme...but I don't think he belongs there.

The Techno Bat

09-04-2005, 10:37 PM

The thing is Benoit uses his limited mic skills to further his no nonsense character,plus he has talent and presence well beyond Matt IMO

As far as who is benefitting the most from the Matt/Edge feud i think it's Matt,it's the highest profile one he's had where as Edge has had feuds with HBK,Angle and Benoit,if it wasnt for the controversey with Lita, Edge would be in the title feud with Cena

I do agree though that the excellent street fight on RAW really kicked their feud up a notch and i look forward to what they have planned for Unforgiven

Great points :up: Just curious do you like Edge? I really don't I think he is boring and really puts me to sleep, the only good thing about Edge is his theme music and the eye candy he brings to the ring. I was a huge Brood & E & C fan but for some reason I don't like Edge as a solo heel...

NDX

09-05-2005, 08:05 AM

What happened to Sunny? http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/eek.gif http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/frown.gif

http://www.tammysytch.net/4images/data/media/2/697.jpg

Holy... was this at the WrestleReunion a week ago? Christ, she looks to have gained 30 pounds more since I last saw her in April.

That's just... that's just sad. What the hell did Tammy do to herself...

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It's the WWE style as well. I don't think Lynn could adapt to the WWE ring as well. Probably why it took a little while for RVD to adapt to the WWE as well.....I remember one time when they had a Lynn-RVD match but it was assigned to Sunday Night Heat http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/frown.gif

I remember that match and remembered how disappointing it was. I was thinking that maybe WWE was going to do something right for once with Sunday Night Heat and put on a good, long match.

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I was wondering if I can get people's opinion on Matt Stryker? What do you all think of him? I've seen him work his ass off locally for a few years now putting one some really good matches with USA Pro Wrestling/USA Extreme Wrestling and it's good to see a local get to at least Sunday Night Heat. But I guess I'm biased at this point, so I just want to know what people think.

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I'll try and get to TNA when I'm feeling more coherent. All I can say right now is hurry up and get on Spike TV already. Impact is no longer being shown here anymore and dialup sucks. Before people think I sound like a crackpot, TNA Impact was still on television in my area on Time Warner Cable on Tuesdays, but it looks like it won't be on this week.

Hunter Rider

09-05-2005, 01:02 PM

Great points :up: Just curious do you like Edge? I really don't I think he is boring and really puts me to sleep, the only good thing about Edge is his theme music and the eye candy he brings to the ring. I was a huge Brood & E & C fan but for some reason I don't like Edge as a solo heel...

Im not a paticular fan of Edge,i think Christian is better and i also prefered him as part of E&C(although i think Christian is better solo and is wasted by WWE:mad: )
i think Edge has a presence and a look that works and he is a solid in ring worker but nothing special IMO

Hunter Rider

09-05-2005, 01:05 PM

I was wondering if I can get people's opinion on Matt Stryker? What do you all think of him? I've seen him work his ass off locally for a few years now putting one some really good matches with USA Pro Wrestling/USA Extreme Wrestling and it's good to see a local get to at least Sunday Night Heat. But I guess I'm biased at this point, so I just want to know what people think.

He's the teacher that wrestled Kurt Angle right ?
I thought he seemed to be a decent worker and bumped well for Angle

Jason Blood

09-05-2005, 02:26 PM

Sunday Night Heat is just plain awful now

they've got the same people wrestling week after week in interchangable matches that makes you think someone's getting pushed, only for them to lose to someone the next week

Hunter Rider

09-05-2005, 02:36 PM

Credit: PWInsider.com

There was a brief interview in the Ottawa Sun yesterday with Hulk Hogan. The main highlight of the interview was Hogan speculating that could work a match against Steve Austin at next year's WrestleMania. "I don't know where his head is at with wrestling," said Hogan.

As previously reported, there is a lot of backstage talk about a Hogan-Austin match at WrestleMania next year.

Speaking of backstage news, there has been a lot of talk about a ECW vs. WCW type PPV. Some matches have already been proposed which you can view by clicking here (http://www.dailywrestling.com/tracker/track.cgi?amish).

Don't Do it Stone Cold!!!!,think of your dignity:(

Twitch

09-05-2005, 02:39 PM

Don't Do it Stone Cold!!!!,think of your dignity:(

Yeah, don't do it.

IMO he should have a match with Orton to get him over. Then Orton wins it at WM 23 :o

Hunter Rider

09-05-2005, 02:40 PM

Yeah, don't do it.

IMO he should have a match with Orton to get him over. Then Orton wins it at WM 23 :o

I agree,RKO vs Stunner at WM22 to further the Legend killer tag:up:

Twitch

09-05-2005, 02:43 PM

I agree,RKO vs Stunner at WM22 to further the Legend killer tag:up:

What could really get him over is RKOing Hogan :o:up:

Jason Blood

09-05-2005, 02:55 PM

don't know if anyone else read the Ross Report

I thought it was kinda interesting, especially Ross's opinions on the tag teams

3dman27

09-05-2005, 04:53 PM

Don't Do it Stone Cold!!!!,think of your dignity:(
agreed

Super Kal

09-05-2005, 09:59 PM

TNA looks very interesting, seeing that it will now be on Saturdays October 1st :D:up:

PyroChamber

09-05-2005, 10:22 PM

OK, what the hell was that I just saw? Was that suppose to be a women's wrestling match? That was awful.

And is this stable Torrie, Candice, and Victoria have some kinda "Mean Girls" type of thing?

Donnie Darko

09-05-2005, 10:24 PM

can anyone tell me what happened during the first 40 minutes of Raw?

Not Jake

09-05-2005, 11:25 PM

can anyone tell me what happened during the first 40 minutes of Raw?
Val Venis and Viscera beat the Heartthrobs...Cena beat Tomko, then got wailed on by Angle, though I think that was after the first 40 minutes...Carlito's Cabana got ambushed by Flair, Flair chased him out of the ring...

jackcool

09-05-2005, 11:26 PM

Venis and Viscera make an interesting tag team.....Cade and Murdoch also have potential. Could the WWE actually be trying to bring back a tag team division? :eek:

Savage

09-05-2005, 11:31 PM

Yeah, that Cade match was suprisingly entertaining. Really entertaining. That bulldog was freakin sick...God is that guy out of shape though.

Not Jake

09-05-2005, 11:33 PM

I changed the channel to watch the Miami/FSU game during the Hurricane/Rosey vs Cade/Murdoch match because that Murdoch had a down syndrome face that I couldn't bear watching:(

Savage

09-05-2005, 11:36 PM

LOL! Oh crap, he does.:D

jackcool

09-06-2005, 12:01 AM

Yeah, that Cade match was suprisingly entertaining. Really entertaining. That bulldog was freakin sick...God is that guy out of shape though.

That's the point though. He's basically a character straight out of Deliverance.

NDX

09-06-2005, 12:04 AM

Venis and Viscera make an interesting tag team.....Cade and Murdoch also have potential. Could the WWE actually be trying to bring back a tag team division? :eek:

Cade and Murdoch worked a good match with Hurricane and Rosey. I look forward to seeing them more. It reminded me of the tag team matches of the early 1990s.

Anyone know of Trevor Murdoch is the son of Dick Murdoch? They look exactly the same. And about him being out of shape, it's about time some less than ideal wrestlers are returning to the ring. You don't have to be ripped to be a good wrestler.

I think a tag division can be revived (on RAW at least) with the addition of Cade/Murdoch and Viscera/Venis (Viscera works better in a tag team format anyway). But the division is still just lacking two teams.

Also, the opening match was Angle destroying Eugene (for the person who missed the first 40 minutes)

C Doody

09-06-2005, 12:07 AM

That was a pretty boring and uneventful RAW, At least in my opinion.

I Do Like this Cade/Murdoch team though. Its about time WWE Try to build up the tag division again. They had A Very old school team feeling to them, Which was neat.

jackcool

09-06-2005, 12:14 AM

Cade and Murdoch worked a good match with Hurricane and Rosey. I look forward to seeing them more. It reminded me of the tag team matches of the early 1990s.

Anyone know of Trevor Murdoch is the son of Dick Murdoch? They look exactly the same. And about him being out of shape, it's about time some less than ideal wrestlers are returning to the ring. You don't have to be ripped to be a good wrestler.

I don't think they're related. Trevor Murdoch worked in the early TNA days as one of the Dupps, who were basically inbred hicks. I read that the only reason why he actually is using the Murdoch name at the moment is because he looks like Dick Murdoch, no relation as far as I know :confused:

NDX

09-06-2005, 12:29 AM

Well, definately had me convinced. Thanks for the info. Hope to see this team pushed and have a proper tag team division again.

3dman27

09-06-2005, 04:50 AM

I don't think they're related. Trevor Murdoch worked in the early TNA days as one of the Dupps, who were basically inbred hicks. I read that the only reason why he actually is using the Murdoch name at the moment is because he looks like Dick Murdoch, no relation as far as I know :confused:
they aren't related he took the name murdock as a tribute to the late captain redneck dick murdoch [source lordsofpain.net]

Metamorpho1977

09-06-2005, 12:17 PM

My dad was a bondsman before he retired a few years ago, and back in the early 1980s, he had to arrest Dick Murdoch.

LastSunrise1981

09-06-2005, 12:33 PM

Okay, so we're supposed to believe that accomplished wrestlers like Shelton Benjamin, Shawn Michaels, and Val Venis can't break out of a full-nelson? Yeah, okay. :rolleyes:

Just send Kurt Angle in there and kill Chris Masters push already.

I can't wait till October 1st, and since Smackdown will be on Fridays, TNA and WWE will be competing in a sense. Especially since TNA comes on Saturday nights, so we'll see what happens but Raw sucked tonight and the matches were horrible.

Not Jake

09-06-2005, 12:53 PM

LastSunrise1981

09-06-2005, 01:31 PM

Well I was pretty disappointed with them not having Michaels break the masterlock, and even though it's a full nelson, I think the angle is that Masters is the strongest guy ever:(

I mean, at this point, who can they bring in to break it? It can't be Joe No-Name. I guess it'll probably be someone lame like Triple H when he comes back, because Triple H monopolizes RAW:( I'd say to make someone worthy break it, you'd have to either have Hogan make an appearance, or Austin.

Well is Lesnar comes back he can break it, so can The Big Show, Angle, and even Edge. But I see what you mean though, it only adds to the tension and how awesome it'll be when someone breaks it, and most likely it'll be HBK at Unforgiven when they have their match.

But seriously, it's only a full-nelson and guys like HBK, Shelton, Venis, and Angle could easily break out of that. But they evidently want to shove Masters down our throat some more, either way the build-up is pretty good, and only adds to the end point when it's all said and done.

Hunter Rider

09-06-2005, 02:58 PM

Source: PWTorch.com

As TNA prepares for its primetime cable debut, a prominent focus is securing names big enough to attract mainstream professional wrestling fans. While the names "AJ Styles" and "Christopher Daniels" mean very little to the average WWE fan, names like "Bret Hart" and "Sting" do. Both of those names are being courted by TNA, but few believe either will appear on the debut of Impact.

Sources state that TNA has been having trouble reaching Sting, while Bret Hart will likely not seriously consider a TNA deal until after WWE releases his DVD.

Kevin Nash, however, will likely work with TNA this fall. Nash appears on the poster for "Bound For Glory" and while apparently not signed to a written deal, is said to be on very good terms with TNA. Of course, with WWE reportedly making an aggressive attempt to draw big names away from TNA, if the two can't reach a deal soon, it's possible he could end up back in the number one wrestling promotion.

Tito Ortiz is also expected to return to TNA for work this fall. In addition to drawing some WWE fans, TNA also wants to appeal to fans of UFC, which shares the Spike TV home. And, there are very few fighters who rival Ortiz's name value with the casual UFC fan.

If they could have gotten Bret prior to his DVD deal he wouldv'e been an ideal guy to have on the debut to bury WWE and Sting would be good value as well but they need to avoid the WCW trap of thinking big names equal great matches,from what i know of TNA their in ring product is their selling point,so they should showcase that instead of trying to use old guys as bait,Oh and Nash is a leech they need to leave him alone

Hunter Rider

09-06-2005, 03:03 PM

LastSunrise1981

09-06-2005, 05:06 PM

I havent seen RAW but im glad HBK didn't break the masterlock,i am not convinced Masters is anything more than a big musclebound boobah jiggler but the only thing he has going for him is his power,now realsiticaly a man HBK's size can not break a fully applied full nelson from a guy Masters size short of low blowing him.They should save the breaking of it for a powerhouse to get over with

Well an accomplished wrestler of any size can break out of the full nelson. However, I do see what you're getting at and it makes sense.

I'm thinking save it for someone like the Big Show, Angle, Lesnar, or even Edge. Lesnar is the ideal choice though.