Wrestling

[Matt Murdock]

I really liked the Warrior in the early days, the crowd use to go nuts. The only thing I've heard about warrior was from Bobby Heenan, who said that he told Warrior before a match not to closeline him due to a neck injury. Warrior did it anyway, that's not right. Based on other wrestling bios you're suppose to protect the other guy. Another thing I disagree with is the dvd cut out Jesse Ventura's commentary during the Warrior/Hogan match from Wrestlemania 6, WWE is too cheap and didn't want to pay Ventura any royalties. It's part of wrestling history, McMahon is an idiot!Wait,is a whole match scripted then?Or is the winner just determined and then the wrestlers go out there and have to make what happens in the match all by themselves?

[Hunter Rider]

Wait,is a whole match scripted then?Or is the winner just determined and then the wrestlers go out there and have to make what happens in the match all by themselves?

No the whole match isnt scripted but if a guy asks to not use a specific spot due to an in jury then usually the other guy takes that move out of his list for the match,some spots are worked out in advance if they are particuarly dangerous or difficult to execute but a lot is go with the flow especially with expierienced guys like HBk,HHH,Angle,Benoit etc....some rookies may plan out everything before hand though just to be sure

[Matt Murdock]

No the whole match isnt scripted but if a guy asks to not use a specific spot due to an in jury then usually the other guy takes that move out of his list for the match,some spots are worked out in advance if they are particuarly dangerous or difficult to execute but a lot is go with the flow especially with expierienced guys like HBk,HHH,Angle,Benoit etc....some rookies may plan out everything before hand though just to be sureWhat about promos?

[Hunter Rider]

What about promos?

again it depends,a rookie may be told what to say by a writer thats why they seem so false,the top guys just get a guideline on the topic for the feud and they do the rest themselves

[Jason Blood]

Wait is Brock working in Japan till the WWE calls him up? :confused:
The WWE wanted to bring him back, but he didn't like the terms and backed off

he's scheduled for a Three Way match (Kazuyuki Fujita (c) vs. Masahiro Chono vs. Brock Lesnar) for the IWGP Heavyweight Title

[jackcool]

You know, I'm kind of digging this Eddie-Batista feud. Eddie is a friggin' blast. Hell, I'm even digging JBL now that he's out of the title picture. Loved his promo this week :up:

[Hunter Rider]

So Homecoming next week,whats everyone expecting ?

Angle vs HBK-im thinking Angle will win but there will be interference that will set up Shawns next feud

HHH will save Flair against Carlito and Masters

Edge will beat Matt ,i just hope he isnt gonna win the title

Cena will beat Bischoff withe help

How Ausitn and Hogan fit im not sure,one will probably help Cena,i just pray to god Austin doesn't stun Hogan

Foley on Pipers Pit-have no idea what they are gonna do with this but it should be fun

[jackcool]

I was thinking more of Hunter was going to turn on Flair and join up with Carlito and Masters. Especially with the way Flair has been touting Hunter's return.

[Hunter Rider]

I was thinking more of Hunter was going to turn on Flair and join up with Carlito and Masters. Especially with the way Flair has been touting Hunter's return.

I think he will join with Flair at first and then scrw him out the IC title at Taboo Tuesday

[jackcool]

Yeah, I could see that happening. End result is the same though: We'll get a new Evolution :(

You know, part of me is hoping that the WWE will surprise the hell out of us and let Matt Hardy go over Edge, but the odds of that happening are like slim to none :(

[Hunter Rider]

Yeah, I could see that happening. End result is the same though: We'll get a new Evolution :(

You know, part of me is hoping that the WWE will surprise the hell out of us and let Matt Hardy go over Edge, but the odds of that happening are like slim to none :(

A new Evolution would be ok if there was anyone worth putting in it:( ,the worst thing is Masters will continue his push as IC champ:mad:

The obviousness of Edge winning is inevitable i think,it would be nice to see something fresh but i doubt it:(

I think that in the Cena/Bischoff match Hogan and Austin wil get involved *yawns* and one will pull a swerve perhaps leading to Bischoff becoming champ and some sort of special main event at Taboo to crown a new champ

[jackcool]

Noooo, I don't want to see Bischoff as champ. It never worked when they gave the belt to McMahon or Russo, why would it work if they give it to Bischoff? :( :( :(

God, couldn't they give it to Angle instead? :mad:

[Hunter Rider]

Noooo, I don't want to see Bischoff as champ. It never worked when they gave the belt to McMahon or Russo, why would it work if they give it to Bischoff? :( :( :(

God, couldn't they give it to Angle instead? :mad:

I know i just can't figure out what Hogan and Austin are gonna do and the main event needs some surprises given how lame it is with Cena vs Bischoff:(

[jackcool]

I can really see that Hogan/Austin thing actually. And I could also imagine the show ending with Hogan, Austin and Cena all celebrating in the ring. Kind of a pass-off from Hogan to Austin to Cena and a way to end the WWE's first return show to USA :(

[Hunter Rider]

I can really see that Hogan/Austin thing actually. And I could also imagine the show ending with Hogan, Austin and Cena all celebrating in the ring. Kind of a pass-off from Hogan to Austin to Cena and a way to end the WWE's first return show to USA :(

Oh christ im bored already:( i was figuring that either Austin or Hogan swerves Cena as controversial ending are more of a bang and i cant see the massive Austin/Hogan egos at the end,i mean Austin would be throwing beers at Hogan as he posed:o

[jackcool]

Yeah, a swerve seems unlikely for a show that Vince has called "like a PPV". The beer ending does seem more probable :(

Thank god for the Iron Man and ladder match. And I'm hoping the Smackdown match might be decent as well :up:

[Hunter Rider]

Yeah, a swerve seems unlikely for a show that Vince has called "like a PPV". The beer ending does seem more probable :(

Thank god for the Iron Man and ladder match. And I'm hoping the Smackdown match might be decent as well :up:

You cant give alchohol to senior citizens:D :(

The IRon man match will own the show and the ladder match should be very good i just hope it's not predictable

The SD match should be Rey vs Benoit IMO

[jackcool]

It seems like they're planning on putting the six biggest Smackdown wrestlers in one match. With all possibility, it'll just be a six-man tag with some kind of stipulation.

Christian is involved though. Imagine if he interfered in the ladder match :o

[Hunter Rider]

It seems like they're planning on putting the six biggest Smackdown wrestlers in one match. With all possibility, it'll just be a six-man tag with some kind of stipulation.

Christian is involved though. Imagine if he interfered in the ladder match :o

Maybe he could get involved and then Benoit comes out as it was him Edge screwed at WM21 and helps Matt win:D

[jackcool]

hmm...that could happen. But I see it more as maybe Christian costing Hardy the match. Then on Smackdown, Hardy attacks Christian when he's hosting the Peep Show....

[Hunter Rider]

hmm...that could happen. But I see it more as maybe Christian costing Hardy the match. Then on Smackdown, Hardy attacks Christian when he's hosting the Peep Show....
Damn i had hope for a moment there:(
Well when is Edge gonna use his title shot as soon we are getting close to the point where if he gets it he will win and be the champ for WM22:(

[punishermax]

You know what I just realized.....Raw's Homecoming is on the same night that my beloved Packers (eventhough they suck this year) play the Panthers. I can't just watch one or the other so it looks like I'm having two tv's in my living room.

[jackcool]

Damn i had hope for a moment there:(
Well when is Edge gonna use his title shot as soon we are getting close to the point where if he gets it he will win and be the champ for WM22:(

I guess this means a Smackdown wrestler might win the Royal Rumble this year :o ;)

[Twitch]

I guess this means a Smackdown wrestler might win the Royal Rumble this year :o ;)


CHristian, CHristian :up::up::up::up:

[jackcool]

Or how about Mr. Kennedy? :)

[Hunter Rider]

Or how about Mr. Kennedy? :)

I think it's more likely Edge will use his title shot at Survivor series and go into WM22 as champ against Cena who will win the Rumble:(

[Twitch]

So I watched TNA Impact on Spike last night :up:

The Best Match was Petey Williams vs. Chris Sabin vs. Alex Shelly Triple threat :up:

only complaint, get rid of Don West and Bring in Joey Styles or somthing.

almost forgot Dudleys showed up and kicked Jarret's ass. Bad News is Nash showed up and Jacknifed him and annoucned he will be facing Jarret at Bound for Glory. What a ****ty Main Event :(

[TheVileOne]

I don't think that will be the main event.

Also Twitch, your boy Joey Styles signed a contract with WWE, so he definitely won't be appearing in TNA in an announcer's position anytime soon.

Great av BTW. But let's try to keep the TNA discussion in the TNA Wrestling thread :) .

[Hunter Rider]

there's no need for 2 seperate threads,wrestling is wrestling,most of us follow both

[0neDisturbedSOB]

Just got done watching TNA and all I can say is WOW. I had seen a few matches before, but this was some exciting s**t! The AJ Styles match was insane, and when he flip off the middle turnbuckle and grabbed that guy by the neck I about wet myself.

The move that the Canadian guy pulled off where he does like a flipping powerbomb was about the craziest move I think I've ever seen in my life.

I haven't actually been excited for a wrestling match in awhile....here's to hoping TNA can give WWE a serious run for their money, it can only help to improve both brands.

[Twitch]

I don't think that will be the main event.

Also Twitch, your boy Joey Styles signed a contract with WWE, so he definitely won't be appearing in TNA in an announcer's position anytime soon.

Great av BTW. But let's try to keep the TNA discussion in the TNA Wrestling thread :) .

I thought Joey was only signed for One Last Stand PPV :confused:. Oh and thanks about the avvy :up:. I need some Samoa Joe and and Fallen Angel avvys :(

[TheVileOne]

I thought Joey was only signed for One Last Stand PPV :confused:. Oh and thanks about the avvy :up:. I need some Samoa Joe and and Fallen Angel avvys :(

I think the contract includes his voice and likeness being used on future WWE DVD's, so they can use his commentary for the ECW matches and stuff like that. I think part of that contract was why he had to kill his promotion EXTREMELY HARDCORE WRESTLING.

Link to free TNA wrestling icons:

http://www.roaddogg.net/icons.htm

Samoa "Jaw" Joe and Fallen Angel Christopher Daniels included.

[punishermax]

Just got done watching TNA and all I can say is WOW. I had seen a few matches before, but this was some exciting s**t! The AJ Styles match was insane, and when he flip off the middle turnbuckle and grabbed that guy by the neck I about wet myself.

The move that the Canadian guy pulled off where he does like a flipping powerbomb was about the craziest move I think I've ever seen in my life.

I haven't actually been excited for a wrestling match in awhile....here's to hoping TNA can give WWE a serious run for their money, it can only help to improve both brands.

When I first started watching TNA about a year ago, I didn't think it was too great but then about January, I started getting excited about and I've loved TNA ever since.

[punishermax]

With TNA airing on national TV and with RAW moving back to USA and Smackdown actually becoming entertaining, I think we might be on the verge of another wrestling boom, not like the late-90's but a definite step up from the lull of the last 4 years.

[punishermax]

Raw Exposed is on USA in about 10 minutes.

[TheVileOne]

BTW,

Benoit and Regal had a GREAT US title match on Velocity. The problem? It was on Velocity which is only on WWE.com.

On Smackdown and PPV Benoit's wasted on Orlando Jordan, pathetic.

**** the WWE UN-creative team.

[LastSunrise1981]

I think it's more likely Edge will use his title shot at Survivor series and go into WM22 as champ against Cena who will win the Rumble:(

You're forgetting one big guy with a huge ego and a big nose, I sincerely doubt he'll let that happen too. :down

I'm only watching Raw's Homecoming for Edge/Hardy and for Angle/HBK(Iron Man Match). Hopefully none of these matches are ruined by predictability or pointless run-ins.

HBK and Angle should've been 60 minutes though.

[Hunter Rider]

You're forgetting one big guy with a huge ego and a big nose, I sincerely doubt he'll let that happen too. :down

I'm only watching Raw's Homecoming for Edge/Hardy and for Angle/HBK(Iron Man Match). Hopefully none of these matches are ruined by predictability or pointless run-ins.

HBK and Angle should've been 60 minutes though.

I'd much rather see HHH in the main event than Edge,The Game is a genuine main eventer Edge isnt

[Bad Superman]

You're forgetting one big guy with a huge ego and a big nose, I sincerely doubt he'll let that happen too. :down

I'm only watching Raw's Homecoming for Edge/Hardy and for Angle/HBK(Iron Man Match). Hopefully none of these matches are ruined by predictability or pointless run-ins.

HBK and Angle should've been 60 minutes though.

I agree. You can put it in the bank that Ego H will be the WWE Champ again before the year ends. My prediction is this: Ego H will be Champion at WM 22 and retains or wins the title at WM 22. Either way, we are screwed. . . .

Wait a minute. . . OH. . . TNA just surfaced. Wrestling still lives!!!

PS-Loved their first show on Spike.

[The Black Mask]

i use to watch it.

[Hunter Rider]

I agree. You can put it in the bank that Ego H will be the WWE Champ again before the year ends. My prediction is this: Ego H will be Champion at WM 22 and retains or wins the title at WM 22. Either way, we are screwed. . . .

Wait a minute. . . OH. . . TNA just surfaced. Wrestling still lives!!!

PS-Loved their first show on Spike.

Other than HHH the only guy to put the belt on going into WM22 is Angle and whilst i like TNA's X division their heavyweight division sucks ass,Nash vs Jeff Jarrett ?:(

[Bad Superman]

Other than HHH the only guy to put the belt on going into WM22 is Angle and whilst i like TNA's X division their heavyweight division sucks ass,Nash vs Jeff Jarrett ?:(

Angle. He's the man. I would love to see him as Champ with a lengthy reign. I think the brand split is still hurting WWE.

As for TNA, you're right the World title division needs more build up. The X division rules!!

[Hunter Rider]

Angle. He's the man. I would love to see him as Champ with a lengthy reign. I think the brand split is still hurting WWE.

As for TNA, you're right the World title division needs more build up. The X division rules!!


I agree there,the brand split has left things to stretched and guys are now in main event positions (Carlito,MAsters) that arent good enough b/c of it

I think Angle will win the title and defend it at WM22 against either RVD,Cena or HBK,if they go with HHH/Cena for the title at WM22 it will be to predictble but better than Cena vs Edge IMO

[SLYspyder]

wow, smackdown is getting better and better again. anyone see the strength of the undertaker lifting up the referee one handed like he was a toy and carrying him across the ring?

[Hunter Rider]

wow, smackdown is getting better and better again. anyone see the strength of the undertaker lifting up the referee one handed like he was a toy and carrying him across the ring?

That angle is really killing Orton,he is made to look weak with his daddy helping him and Taker doing the constant "No sell" is annoying

As far as SD getting better ? the middle of the card is good but the Tag division still sucks and the world title is becoming dull with Batista becoming a 3 move bore

[Jason Blood]

I hope to god the RAW Homecoming is going to be good

I'm gonna be flipping back and forth between RAW and UFC

:(

[The Black Mask]

i will watch it once and a great while

[Matt Murdock]

That angle is really killing Orton,he is made to look weak with his daddy helping him and Taker doing the constant "No sell" is annoying

As far as SD getting better ? the middle of the card is good but the Tag division still sucks and the world title is becoming dull with Batista becoming a 3 move boreI like Batista.Definitely the most entertaining of the two champions right now.But yeah,he is a little limited,but it's good they put him in a feud with Eddie,that might help him shine.Too bad the feud is a complete rip off of the feud between Trips and Batista,which happened like 4 months ago.WTF?:mad: :(

[Hunter Rider]

I like Batista.Definitely the most entertaining of the two champions right now.But yeah,he is a little limited,but it's good they put him in a feud with Eddie,that might help him shine.Too bad the feud is a complete rip off of the feud between Trips and Batista,which happened like 4 months ago.WTF?:mad: :(

As you know im not the biggest Cena fan but i think he has really improved over the last 3 months and is now the better of the 2 IMO

[Lobo]

Thank God TNA is on Spike TV now :o

[NDX]

I still feel Cena is being limited by his actions in the ring. He seems to be a wrestler who could be much better than he is (not saying he's bad at the moment, but feels generic). He plays to the crowd too much. At one point I really grew tired of him getting beat down for 10 minutes and then in 2 minutes come back and win a match while he was US Champ on Smackdown!. Or squashing opponents in minutes. At least those have for the most part ended, but he can still get better. I think if he had no title and was just wrestling someone for a series of matches could really open up his in ring work.

But, that's just me.

[3dman27]

Thank God TNA is on Spike TV now :o
you have a valid point

[LastSunrise1981]

Angle. He's the man. I would love to see him as Champ with a lengthy reign. I think the brand split is still hurting WWE.

As for TNA, you're right the World title division needs more build up. The X division rules!!

The World Title picture for TNA needs to be built up more, but they definitely have the guys for the belt, if only Jarrett(who is Ego H with a different name) would step out of the picture for a LONG time without the belt.

Ron Killings, AJ Styles, Monty Brown, Rhyno, Jeff Hardy(questionable), and maybe Samoa Joe can be legitimate contenders for the title. However, there isn't enough wrestlers and hopefully TNA can get Charlie Haas into the picture as well.

I'm so THANKFUL that there's another alternative to the WWE crap. Did anyone hear the potshot that Tenay sent to the WWE? "YOU NOW HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE FOR WRESTLING!". :up:

As I said, I'll only watch Raw to see the Iron Man match and the ladder match, and maybe for Hogan, Foley, and Stone Cold, however with three hours they'll probably have Ego H run his mouth for the first hour. :( :mad: :down

[jackcool]

The World Title picture for TNA needs to be built up more, but they definitely have the guys for the belt, if only Jarrett(who is Ego H with a different name) would step out of the picture for a LONG time without the belt.

Ron Killings, AJ Styles, Monty Brown, Rhyno, Jeff Hardy(questionable), and maybe Samoa Joe can be legitimate contenders for the title. However, there isn't enough wrestlers and hopefully TNA can get Charlie Haas into the picture as well.


Lancy Hoyt could also develop into their main event champion soon. I think AJ doesn't really want to be in the heavyweight division as well. He'd rather just stay in the X-division. Call him the Tommy Dreamer of TNA ;)


What I'm afraid about is if TNA decides to put the title belt on Kevin Nash :eek: :(

[Hunter Rider]

The World Title picture for TNA needs to be built up more, but they definitely have the guys for the belt, if only Jarrett(who is Ego H with a different name) would step out of the picture for a LONG time without the belt.

Ron Killings, AJ Styles, Monty Brown, Rhyno, Jeff Hardy(questionable), and maybe Samoa Joe can be legitimate contenders for the title. However, there isn't enough wrestlers and hopefully TNA can get Charlie Haas into the picture as well.

I'm so THANKFUL that there's another alternative to the WWE crap. Did anyone hear the potshot that Tenay sent to the WWE? "YOU NOW HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE FOR WRESTLING!". :up:

As I said, I'll only watch Raw to see the Iron Man match and the ladder match, and maybe for Hogan, Foley, and Stone Cold, however with three hours they'll probably have Ego H run his mouth for the first hour. :( :mad: :down

you have a rather silly hatred for HHH IMO,the man is damn good at what he does,like him or not he is the best all round sports entertainer there is and he draws money.
A lot of the guys i see you constantly moaning about him not putting over couldn't draw flies if they were S**t
it's like when Austin was always on top a few years ago,i was bored to death with his badass promos and no move matches but i had to accept that he drew the crowd as his character was popular and his brawling style and great finisher won the crowd
This sudden sychophantic adulation everyone has for TNA is also misplaced,yes the X division is very exciting and yes WWE has some major shortcomings but there isnt anyone in TNA's heavyweight division in the same league as WWE's main guys

[LastSunrise1981]

you have a rather silly hatred for HHH IMO,the man is damn good at what he does,like him or not he is the best all round sports entertainer there is and he draws money.
A lot of the guys i see you constantly moaning about him not putting over couldn't draw flies if they were S**t
it's like when Austin was always on top a few years ago,i was bored to death with his badass promos and no move matches but i had to accept that he drew the crowd as his character was popular and his brawling style and great finisher won the crowd
This sudden sychophantic adulation everyone has for TNA is also misplaced,yes the X division is very exciting and yes WWE has some major shortcomings but there isnt anyone in TNA's heavyweight division in the same league as WWE's main guys

Ego H was good during his great days, now he's just doing the same ol act over and over again. I'm not denying he was never good, he used to be great during the early 2000 and into 2002.

I respect his dedication to the business, I do not, however, respect his way of holding down others and putting himself in the spotlight over other talented individuals. His ability or willingness to put over his friends is what disgusts me really, instead of him being a team player and giving the nudge to others who deserve it more.

Did HBK need to beat him for the title? No, simply HBK is already over and will always be over.

HHH buried RVD, Booker T, Chris Jericho, Kane, Chris Benoit(to an extent), Scott Steiner, The Hurricane, Test, and Jeff Hardy.

Chris Jericho and RVD have gone on record saying that Ego H is the one with the power there, and Vince does nothing nor will he do anything, so if my hatred of Ego H is silly then I guess they're silly too.

RVD was HUGELY over with the crowd, Chris Jericho was OVER and drawing, Chris Benoit wasn't given the opportunity to really prove he could lead the company, and Jeff Hardy who was insanely over got buried by Ego H anytime he had a feud with him.

RVD was booked to beat Ego H for the title; which prompted Ego H to cry to Stephanie and tell the bookers "You can't do that", which resulted in a very lame loss for RVD and never to win the championship again.

Austin was great and he was exciting, unlike HHH who sucks the life out of everything in the arena. Oh, he put over Batista, well let me just jump for joy and give him a praise, he actually put over a guy who really isn't that great to begin with.

[Colossal Spoons]

Well this whole Stone Cold/McMahons bit was officially the most predictable thing I've ever seen on TV. More so than watching the ball drop on New Year's

[punishermax]

Yeah, what was the point in that 20+ minute segment.

[Colossal Spoons]

Apparently, there are some people out there who still like Austin and missed seeing him botch his finisher on the McMahons. :down:

[Donnie Darko]

Linda really screwed the pooch on that one. I actually would've liked to see some more Shane. I used to love that guy.

[Jehuty]

Man seeing austin stunner the McMahons made me sure as hell miss the old wwe.

[Jehuty]

Linda really screwed the pooch on that one. I actually would've liked to see some more Shane. I used to love that guy.As did i..When he came out i thought he was gonna do something other then get stunned.

[punishermax]

So far tonight with the exception of the Iron Man match and the decent ladder match, Homecoming has........how do you say it.....SUCKED!!!!!!

[TheVileOne]

agreed punishermax. Impact was even better than this.

Lame finishes to both the iron man and ladder matches.

[TheVileOne]

More symbolism of how much this show sucks, they just CANCELLED the 6 man smackdown tag team match after ALL the wrestlers came out.

WTF?!

[punishermax]

WTF? Indeed.

[TheVileOne]

Better workers being shoved aside for Hulk Hogan once again.

Screw Hogan.

Oh and look...another crappy main event.

[LastSunrise1981]

Did Hogan just say that "At Wrestlemania 18, The Rock went down from the power of Hulkamania!"

The WWE really must want to insult our intelligence. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

I guess we're not supposed to remember WM18 then? Stupid WWE writers and their silly ideas.

[punishermax]

Is this the end of the show.

[punishermax]

I thought the Rock was confirmed?

[TheVileOne]

Yup. But they are doing a top 10 best of show next. Best moments.

So tell me guys...who had the better show honestly?

TNA Impact on Spike?

Or RAW Homecoming on USA?

And LastSunrise, like I keep saying...UN-creative team.

[punishermax]

Yeah, Impact by a mile.

[punishermax]

All day in class I was thinking, awesome, Raw is actually gonna do something tonight, and I was excited, but alas, I was wrong. So in about an hour, I'm going to watch Impact....a real wrestling show.

[Shifty]

Glad I missed this. :) Well would've like to have seen the Iron Man match.

[TheVileOne]

Yeah guys remember, Impact replays tonight in less than an hour on Spike TV.

They wouldn't even give a real finish to the Iron Man match, BS.

I can't wait to see Daniels and Styles outdo Shawn and Angle again in a few weeks.

[punishermax]

Agreed, atleast TNA has the balls to give the fans what they want.

[White_Howling]

I ended up watching Pride on Fox sports instead

[LastSunrise1981]

Yup. But they are doing a top 10 best of show next. Best moments.

So tell me guys...who had the better show honestly?

TNA Impact on Spike?

Or RAW Homecoming on USA?

And LastSunrise, like I keep saying...UN-creative team.

TNA by a LONG mile. The event was hyped up and didn't really live up to anything groundbreaking.

I'm watching TNA again and appreciating real wrestling, unlike what we got in the Iron Man match and the Ladder Match, both of which led to an ultimate disappointment with the endings.

[Jason Blood]

wow, I'm kinda surprised at how much Homecoming sucked

:(

[jackcool]

I kinda dug the clear-out brawl at the end, but that's because I'm a sucker for stuff like that. I just like the little rivalry that goes on between Raw and Smackdown wrestlers :up:

Beyond that, the show was a bit predictable. Knew Edge was going to win the ladder match, knew Hunter was going to turn on Flair, and at least they kept the Cena-Bischoff match mercifully short.

[Metamorpho1977]

The best part of Raw tonight was the Legends segment. I mean, when's the last time you saw the Von Erich Claw on WWE done by a Von Erich?

[3dman27]

More symbolism of how much this show sucks, they just CANCELLED the 6 man smackdown tag team match after ALL the wrestlers came out.

WTF?!
since raw ans smackdown are no longer on affiliated networks maybe upn wouldn't allow the smackdown stars on raw
smackdown will probably have the palmer cannon character claim he used his authority to cancel the 6 man :marv:

[GLfan]

The best part of Raw tonight was the Legends segment. I mean, when's the last time you saw the Von Erich Claw on WWE done by a Von Erich?
That was cool seeing all the legends but, my favorite segment was Stone Cold's. He had Linda sweatin bullets thinking she might get stunned. I didn't think he would do it, cause she always gave him a break to get back at Vince.

[Bad Superman]

Did Hogan just say that "At Wrestlemania 18, The Rock went down from the power of Hulkamania!"

The WWE really must want to insult our intelligence. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

I guess we're not supposed to remember WM18 then? Stupid WWE writers and their silly ideas.

Yeah, as soon as I heard that I said out loud WTF??? That was stupid. I can't wait to see Austin beat Hogan.

Apparently, there are some people out there who still like Austin and missed seeing him botch his finisher on the McMahons. :

That was so funny. I thought maybe it could've been saved from another angle, but apparently it was so bad there was no replay. :D Is it me or did Austin looked tired?

As for Triple H, well I just hope he puts guys over (which is highly unlikely). I agree that he was on his prime back in 2000 through late 2002, but like LastSunrise said, he buried alot of talent who deserved to be Champions. His performances are below what he used to do. . . . .Remember that "outstanding" finish on Summerslam 2003???

I still can't get over how bad he screwed Randy Orton, a guy who had the potential of becoming the next Rock. My fear is Ego H may have on his mind surpassing Ric Flair's 16 World titles. . . .If that's the case, we might see him get the title 7 more times :(

[Metamorpho1977]

That was cool seeing all the legends but, my favorite segment was Stone Cold's. He had Linda sweatin bullets thinking she might get stunned. I didn't think he would do it, cause she always gave him a break to get back at Vince.

Wasn't Kevin Von Erich the one with the artificial foot? I can't remember.

[Bad Superman]

Wasn't Kevin Von Erich the one with the artificial foot? I can't remember.

Kerry was the one with the operation on his foot. Kevin used to wrestle barefoot.

[GLfan]

WWE BUYS WCCW Library!!!

While signing autographs and meeting with fans outside the American Airlines Center, a fan asked Kevin Von Erich about WWE acquiring the World Class Championship Wrestling tape library and he was quoted as saying that it was a "done deal."

Great news for wrestling fans, haven't seen World Class matches in quite sometime this will be a treat, ESPN use to show them all the time.

[Bad Superman]

WWE BUYS WCCW Library!!!

While signing autographs and meeting with fans outside the American Airlines Center, a fan asked Kevin Von Erich about WWE acquiring the World Class Championship Wrestling tape library and he was quoted as saying that it was a "done deal."

Great news for wrestling fans, haven't seen World Class matches in quite sometime this will be a treat, ESPN use to show them all the time.

When I saw him last night on RAW I suspected the deal was done. This is great news, specially for old school wrestling fans like me. :D :up:

I hope WWE keeps dishing out DVD's.

[Not Jake]

I missed Hogan last night:( Not a big deal for you guys I guess but I'm still a hulkamaniac.:(

Was anyone else stunned by how big HHH looked when he came out? Big and a tag pudgy around the waist. I think he roided pretty hardcore in his off-time:o

[NDX]

When I saw him last night on RAW I suspected the deal was done. This is great news, specially for old school wrestling fans like me. :D :up:

I hope WWE keeps dishing out DVD's.
I am really looking forward to a Kerry von Erich dvd now. Actually, any von Erich on dvd will be good. I was very happy when I read this and saw Kevin von Erich on the program.

[GLfan]

When I saw him last night on RAW I suspected the deal was done. This is great news, specially for old school wrestling fans like me. :D :up:

I hope WWE keeps dishing out DVD's.
Me too!! WCCW put on some great shows, remember these guys:

Percy Pringle
Al Perez
Matt Borne
The Simpson brothers
Dingo Warrior/Sting aka The Blade Runners
Skandar Akbar
Classic Kerry vs. Ric Flair
I miss the good ole days!!!:D

[Savage]

I missed Hogan last night:( Not a big deal for you guys I guess but I'm still a hulkamaniac.:(

Was anyone else stunned by how big HHH looked when he came out? Big and a tag pudgy around the waist. I think he roided pretty hardcore in his off-time:o
Yeah, he looked ginourmous but I think it's genuine. If he roided he probably would have looked all veiny and ripped. I really think he just ate alot and worked out more cause there's still some fat there. Tried to get his weight up(which he did).

Glad to see him back in the ring though. Just wish he was as fast and agile as he used to be. I mean he was like The Rock's physical match at one point.

Age is really getting on Austin or he doesn't work out as much or something cause his neck got smaller while the rest of his body looks the same size...Glad to see the beer belly is gone though. :up:

[Bad Superman]

Me too!! WCCW put on some great shows, remember these guys:

Percy Pringle
Al Perez
Matt Borne
The Simpson brothers
Dingo Warrior/Sting aka The Blade Runners
Skandar Akbar
Classic Kerry vs. Ric Flair
I miss the good ole days!!!:D

WOW Al Perez. That guy had about 15,000,000 moves on his repertoire. I also miss the good ole days. I wonder what's the status on the rumored Four Horsemen DVD. Here's hoping for more old school good stuff on DVD. . .

http://www.deckyon.com/albums/album04/beer_toast.highlight.jpg

[NDX]

The only good thing about the Hogan promo was when he said "WELL YOU KNOW SOMETHING MEAN GENE..." That made up for some of the other **** that went on in the evening.

I also thought Triple H looked a tad big around the waste and lost a bit of definition in his abs.

The segment with Mae Young and Jim Duggin, Jimmy Snuka and Ted DiBiase, albeit disgusting and a reminder of some of the more horrid moments in wrestling, still got a laugh out of me. Duggin's facial expressions, DiBiase's bribe and Snuka's responce made me remember why they were, and still are, favorites of mine. I still want to know where DiBiase's dvd set is.

Anyone else as surprised as I was at how much weight Jim Duggin looks to have lost?

[LastSunrise1981]

Yeah, as soon as I heard that I said out loud WTF??? That was stupid. I can't wait to see Austin beat Hogan.



That was so funny. I thought maybe it could've been saved from another angle, but apparently it was so bad there was no replay. :D Is it me or did Austin looked tired?

As for Triple H, well I just hope he puts guys over (which is highly unlikely). I agree that he was on his prime back in 2000 through late 2002, but like LastSunrise said, he buried alot of talent who deserved to be Champions. His performances are below what he used to do. . . . .Remember that "outstanding" finish on Summerslam 2003???

I still can't get over how bad he screwed Randy Orton, a guy who had the potential of becoming the next Rock. My fear is Ego H may have on his mind surpassing Ric Flair's 16 World titles. . . .If that's the case, we might see him get the title 7 more times :(

Where's the Darth Vader "Nooooo" picture? :( :down

The only thing I like about Ego H is his theme music, and that's only because I like Motorhead. :up:

You know if he really wants to help the business, then he'll feud with Flair over the IC title and bring prestige back it, allowing it to become more credible and a secondary title next to the World Championship.

He should feud with Shelton, Kerwin White aka Chavo, Hurricane(drop the gimmick), Rob Conway, Val Venis, Carlito, and who else? The WWE roster is so thin due to the undeserved releases.

WWE Title contenders should be Cena, Angle, Edge, RVD, and HBK. HBK, granted he is over and always will be, however, he's more entertaining than Ego H and he puts on better matches even with his bad back.

But yeah, Raw sucked the big one and I fear for Matt Hardy too. Being moved over to Smackdown? Didn't we all think that moving Christian to Smackdown would help him? Now look what they've done with him.

If they bring the rosters back together then it'll be more interesting.

World title contenders(Smackdown included)
Cena
Angle
Batista
Eddie Gurrerro
RVD
Booker T
Kane
Chris Benoit
Undertaker
Edge
Christian


IC contenders
Triple H
Randy Orton
Matt Hardy
Shelton Benjamin
Carlito
Chris Masters(Unfortunately)
Hurricane Helms(drop the superhero gimmick)
Regal
Rob Conway
Val Venis
Mysterio

US Title
Benoit
Mysterio
Chavo
Hardcore Holly
JBL


Those are my listings, now unless the WWE signs some more TALENTED individuals, this is how my listings look and how I believe they should be rather than just ignored.

TNA being on TV doesn't appear to phase WWE, so from now on, my devotion and faith will be with TNA wrestling who provides actual talent and better product over the predictability and incompetence of the writers involved with WWE.

And someone PLEASE tell Hogan to retire, even his pops are dying down due to his constant appearings.

[Savage]

Oh yeah. And Hillbilly Jim looks all nice and civilized. lol. And Arn Anderson just doesn't age.

[Bad Superman]

Where's the Darth Vader "Nooooo" picture? :( :down

The only thing I like about Ego H is his theme music, and that's only because I like Motorhead. :up:

You know if he really wants to help the business, then he'll feud with Flair over the IC title and bring prestige back it, allowing it to become more credible and a secondary title next to the World Championship.

He should feud with Shelton, Kerwin White aka Chavo, Hurricane(drop the gimmick), Rob Conway, Val Venis, Carlito, and who else? The WWE roster is so thin due to the undeserved releases.

WWE Title contenders should be Cena, Angle, Edge, RVD, and HBK. HBK, granted he is over and always will be, however, he's more entertaining than Ego H and he puts on better matches even with his bad back.

But yeah, Raw sucked the big one and I fear for Matt Hardy too. Being moved over to Smackdown? Didn't we all think that moving Christian to Smackdown would help him? Now look what they've done with him.

Those are my listings, now unless the WWE signs some more TALENTED individuals, this is how my listings look and how I believe they should be rather than just ignored.

TNA being on TV doesn't appear to phase WWE, so from now on, my devotion and faith will be with TNA wrestling who provides actual talent and better product over the predictability and incompetence of the writers involved with WWE.

And someone PLEASE tell Hogan to retire, even his pops are dying down due to his constant appearings.

Totally agree with you. I just hope Ego H does what's best for the business. He has his place in wrestling history, he'll be a hall of famer, so I guess he doesn't have anything to fear about his legacy. I agree Hurricane should drop his hero gimmick. I'm sure that he could be a serious contender for the IC belt. IMO he's been misused. The same goes for Christian. He had a huge push right before the trades and once he got to Smackdown he became a mid-carder??? I thought he was headed for the main event spotlight and feud with Batista for the WWE Championship.

I still believe one element missing from WWE these days is a serious tag-team division on both shows. That adds so much to a wrestling show.

TNA has very good chances to give WWE a run for their money, but they need to build the World title scene ASAP. I saw part of their first show on Spike and I loved it. The quality of the product is focused more on the wrestling and less on gimmicks, which IMO is good.

After jobbing to Austin (preferably at Wrestlemania) Hogan should retire for good. There's nothing else for him to do. His performance at Summerslam left much to be desired.

[Matt Murdock]

Wow.Homecoming ****ing sucked last night.If it wasn't for Angle vs. HBK,I'd probably call it one of the most boring editions in the past few months.TNA's premiere on Spike was better :up:

i like Austin,but that segment went on way too long.Anybody notice Lina completely missed the Stunner?In fact,there were alot of mistakes last night.That stunner thing,Lita and Edge almost walking right into the ladder when they came out,and when Lita missed Matt when she tried to hit him with that stick.

And HHH turns heel on flair.How very predicting.There should've been more matches,instead of that 30 minute footage of Flair getting his ass kicked :down

[Matt Murdock]

Wow.Homecoming ****ing sucked last night.If it wasn't for Angle vs. HBK,I'd probably call it one of the most boring editions in the past few months.TNA's premiere on Spike was better :up:

i like Austin,but that segment went on way too long.Anybody notice Linda completely missed the Stunner?In fact,there were alot of mistakes last night.That stunner thing,Lita and Edge almost walking right into the ladder when they came out,and when Lita missed Matt when she tried to hit him with that stick.

And HHH turns heel on flair.How very predicting.There should've been more matches,instead of that 30 minute footage of Flair getting his ass kicked :down

[Matt Murdock]

Wow.Homecoming ****ing sucked last night.If it wasn't for Angle vs. HBK,I'd probably call it one of the most boring editions in the past few months.TNA's premiere on Spike was better :up:

i like Austin,but that segment went on way too long.Anybody notice Linda completely missed the Stunner?In fact,there were alot of mistakes last night.That stunner thing,Lita and Edge almost walking right into the ladder when they came out,and when Lita missed Matt when she tried to hit him with that stick.

And HHH turns heel on flair.How very predicting.There should've been more matches,instead of that 30 minute footage of Flair getting his ass kicked :down

[The Batman]

Austin stunning the Mcmahons was was great, and so was Angle/HBK


other than that...didnt really care

[Not Jake]

What did Hogan say last night, exactly? Set up a feud?

[jackcool]

Yeah, he said he saw one guy in the lockerroom that he wanted to fight. The crowd knew he was going to say Stone Cold before he said it.

Homecoming did set up some potential feuds though: The Hogan-Austin match, Orton/Orton vs Piper/Foley, a potential Raw vs Smackdown match for SS.....

[Savage]

To the guys saying Helms should drop the Hurricane gimmick, why? I mean imo he has one of the best gimmicks there and it works. Everyone is either going with the boring "I'm a wrestler. This is my real name." thing or when they do try to make gimmicks, they oughtright suck (Conway). I love Hurricane's whole superhero "How did he lift that guy?!" thing he has going. A guy of average size going toe to toe with guys like The Rock. I love it. That's the superheroic aspect of it that I love and why I think the whole thing works (and being a comic fan kind of makes me biased anyway.:D). Reminds of the days of Sting and Ultimate Warrior and The Undertaker. Just otherwordly gimmicks that kick ass instead of "spandex dude #3". I say he not only keeps the gimmick but makes it even more serious, like really play up the superhero thing and not make him a joke, and win the IC title. :up:

[The Batman]

Exactly. If he changed the gimmick, he'd be released real fast. I'd bet on it...

[The Batman]

as for Hogan/Austin, Austin shouldnt even waste his time. Michaels was right...Hogan only comes back when theres an oppurtuinity to make money....


If it does happen, i hope Austin stuns his ass to hell....

[Hunter Rider]

Did HBK need to beat him for the title? No, simply HBK is already over and will always be over.

That was smart buissness,it completed an amazing comeback just like Hogan did when he took the belt off HHH in early 2002,the fans wanted to see the legends win it one more time[/QUOTE]

HHH buried RVD, Booker T, Chris Jericho, Kane, Chris Benoit(to an extent), Scott Steiner, The Hurricane, Test, and Jeff Hardy.

RVD ? Yes,the rest hell no,Benoit did well out of him given his limited mic skills and the rest im bored of hearing about,,most of them are mid level workers cos thats all there good enough to be,Kane is an ugly monster best suited to blood feuds not holding world titles and Steiner and Test ? youve got to be joking,Test sucked and Steiner was a has been when he got there who had lost it completely

Chris Jericho and RVD have gone on record saying that Ego H is the one with the power there, and Vince does nothing nor will he do anything, so if my hatred of Ego H is silly then I guess they're silly too.

Hogan,Austin,Flair they all got a trail bodies in their wake to,the only difference is Austin and Hogan gave nothing back



RVD was HUGELY over with the crowd, Chris Jericho was OVER and drawing, Chris Benoit wasn't given the opportunity to really prove he could lead the company, and Jeff Hardy who was insanely over got buried by Ego H anytime he had a feud with him.
RVD was killed by Austin in 2001 not HHH,RVD had lost that sparkle when he faced HHH in 2002
in all due respect it is naive to suggest Benoit could lead the company
Jefff Hardy is completely unreliable and was never that over ever

RVD was booked to beat Ego H for the title; which prompted Ego H to cry to Stephanie and tell the bookers "You can't do that", which resulted in a very lame loss for RVD and never to win the championship again.

you know this for fact ?


Austin was great and he was exciting, unlike HHH who sucks the life out of everything in the arena. Oh, he put over Batista, well let me just jump for joy and give him a praise, he actually put over a guy who really isn't that great to begin with.


Austin put over nobody in his time but thats ok cos you like him ?

[Hunter Rider]

I enjoyed Homecoming,Austins segment was a lot of fun and the 2 main matches (HBK/Angle and MITBLM) were superb
The Foley/Piper opening was also fun and the rest of the show flowed well
The ending was flat though IMO but apparently it was designed to set up a Survivor series match between the 2 brands
Did anyone notice HHH looking T3h puffy ?:eek:
I'm glad to see Hogan got short airtime and minimal pop and thankfully looks like the borefest he wnats to have with Ausitn isnt happening


Source: PWTorch.com

To the average fan, what transpired during Hulk Hogan's promo on RAW Homecoming would imply that a match between Steve Austin and Hulk Hogan was confirmed. That is not the case. In fact, according to sources, Steve Austin had absolutely no idea WWE would run the tease on last night's show.

While Hulk Hogan is said to be enthusiastic about working said money match, Steve Austin, who is not a fan of Hogan, is not excited by the prospect. Many believe that even if the two sides did come to terms, determining an outcome would be an extremely large hurdle, as neither has any interest in losing.

Adding to the difficulty is the fact that Steve Austin's head is not nearly as consumed by wrestling as it once was. Sources say that Steve Austin simply worked his angle and left last night, hardly showing passion in participating in WWE's product.

For the past few years, the prospect of Austin vs. Hogan has been an ongoing wrestling message board discussion topic. And, while many believe it inevitably will happen, one should not take last night's RAW angle as "proof" of it being on the cards.

[Hunter Rider]

World title contenders(Smackdown included)
Cena
Angle
Batista
Eddie Gurrerro
RVD
Booker T
Kane
Chris Benoit
Undertaker
Edge
Christian

Booker no,Kane No,Edge no,HHH,Orton and Shelton are miles better than those guys






And someone PLEASE tell Hogan to retire, even his pops are dying down due to his constant appearings.


LOL finally something we agree on:up:

[Twitch]

Homecoming was good, didn't really like the endings at all. Austin's promo was nice and a lttle surprised Shane came out. (Steph is hot :o ) If the Rock came out....:(:up:. Hogan was meh. I actually have a theroy about Hardy (might not happen) ia that Edge is Champ and Hardy wins the Rumble then moves back to Raw. hardy Wins it then has a month reign then drops it to RVD :o

Triple H needs to go back to the form of wieght he was when he fuend with the Rock. SDvs Raw for SS.

LOL almost forgot did anybody catch the fans in the first row? they had the TNA shirt and the Hogan sucks signs Awesome:up:

[The Techno Bat]

LOL almost forgot did anybody catch the fans in the first row? they had the TNA shirt and the Hogan sucks signs Awesome:up:

Ya one of the signs in the front row read Hogan Knows Nothing, it was great! It reminds me of a picture I took of Hogan a few years ago and he was posing in the ring and over his shoulder in the crowd there was a sign that read Hogan Never Ruled, I have to look for it but when I find it I will post it here

[GLfan]

To the guys saying Helms should drop the Hurricane gimmick, why? I mean imo he has one of the best gimmicks there and it works. Everyone is either going with the boring "I'm a wrestler. This is my real name." thing or when they do try to make gimmicks, they oughtright suck (Conway). I love Hurricane's whole superhero "How did he lift that guy?!" thing he has going. A guy of average size going toe to toe with guys like The Rock. I love it. That's the superheroic aspect of it that I love and why I think the whole thing works (and being a comic fan kind of makes me biased anyway.:D). Reminds of the days of Sting and Ultimate Warrior and The Undertaker. Just otherwordly gimmicks that kick ass instead of "spandex dude #3". I say he not only keeps the gimmick but makes it even more serious, like really play up the superhero thing and not make him a joke, and win the IC title. :up:
I agree 100% with ya on this one! The Hurricane has always been my favorite in fact, I went as him last year for Halloween. I even have a replica cruiserweight belt, the costume was perfect.

[White_Howling]

man if its hogan vs stone cold im gonna be pissed..

[3dman27]

To the guys saying Helms should drop the Hurricane gimmick, why? I mean imo he has one of the best gimmicks there and it works. Everyone is either going with the boring "I'm a wrestler. This is my real name." thing or when they do try to make gimmicks, they oughtright suck (Conway). I love Hurricane's whole superhero "How did he lift that guy?!" thing he has going. A guy of average size going toe to toe with guys like The Rock. I love it. That's the superheroic aspect of it that I love and why I think the whole thing works (and being a comic fan kind of makes me biased anyway.:D). Reminds of the days of Sting and Ultimate Warrior and The Undertaker. Just otherwordly gimmicks that kick ass instead of "spandex dude #3". I say he not only keeps the gimmick but makes it even more serious, like really play up the superhero thing and not make him a joke, and win the IC title. :up:
i'm with you savage hurri's detractors are just being vile villians stay the way you are hurri[in case you wonder why i call the hurricane that its because calling him "'cane "would cause confusion with the big red machine]

[NDX]

Credit: www.wrestlingattitude.com & http://www.sptimes.com/2005/10/04/Hernando/Wrestler__Bam_Bam_Big.shtml

SPRING HILL - Former professional wrestler "Bam Bam Bigelow" crashed his Harley-Davidson motorcycle late Sunday afternoon on State Road 50.

Scott C. Bigelow, 44, whose address on the Florida Highway Patrol accident report is in Allenhurst, N.J., was in Oak Hill Hospital on Monday with injuries not considered life-threatening, FHP spokesman Larry Coggins said.

But the passenger who was riding on the back of the bike, Janis Remiesiewicz, 41, of Port Richey, was flown to Tampa General Hospital, where on Monday she was listed in critical condition, according to spokeswoman Ellen Fiss.

"He's going to live," Coggins said.

"She's in extremely critical condition."

The accident happened about 4:30 p.m. just east of Deltona Boulevard, according to the report. Bigelow was traveling east and tried to change from the outside lane to the inside lane, the report states. The motorcycle was the only vehicle involved. Neither Bigelow nor Remiesiewicz was wearing a helmet.

Charges against Bigelow are pending, Coggins said, adding: "If she dies, then it becomes a homicide investigation."

A call to the number listed at Bigelow's Allenhurst address went instead to an Ocean County, N.J., Enterprise rental car business.

Repeated calls to Remiesiewicz's home Monday afternoon and evening got nothing but a quick busy signal. Relatives did not return phone messages.

A spokesman at Oak Hill said Bigelow didn't want to talk.

It could not be learned what Bigelow was doing in Hernando County or how the woman knew Bigelow or what their relationship was.

As Bam Bam Bigelow, the big guy with the bald, tattooed scalp from hardscrabble Asbury Park, N.J., was a main-event, top-line guy for 15 years on various pro wrestling circuits and didn't totally retire until last winter.

The Wrestling Observer newsletter named him rookie of the year for all of pro wrestling in 1986.

He was considered a phenom at the time due to his extreme size - 6-foot-3, anywhere from 325 to 380 pounds - coupled with uncanny agility that allowed him to make acrobatic leaps from the ring's top rope onto his opponents.

"I remember when he first broke in," Wrestling Observer editor Dave Meltzer said Monday from his office in San Jose, Calif.

"We'd never seen anything like this guy."

According to obsessedwithwrestling.com and other pro wrestling Web sites, he had wrestled as Crusher Yurkof, Bruce Bigelow and Beast from the East before settling on Bam Bam.

His signature "finishing" moves were the head butt from the top rope and something he called "Greetings from Asbury."

Bigelow won the Southern heavyweight title in Memphis, Tenn., on July 28, 1986, and debuted in 1987 in the World Wrestling Federation. He eventually won titles in Extreme Championship Wrestling and World Championship Wrestling.

He wrestled with Hulk Hogan and Diamond Dallas Page.

He wrestled against Andre the Giant.

He wrestled in Japan and Moscow and was in the headliner match in WrestleMania XI in 1995 in Hartford, Conn., where he faced former NFL star Lawrence Taylor.

But back problems forced Bigelow to retire in November 2002.

He un-retired in December to come back and lose to someone named Abdullah the Butcher. He re-retired in July 2004. He un-retired again and last wrestled in November 2004.

After that, according to several wrestling Web sites, he opened up a place called Bam Bam's Burger Joint in Lake Ariel, Pa., which quickly went out of business, Meltzer heard through the grapevine.

Then he disappeared.

Fans on message boards wondered where he had gone.

He was spotted in Tampa early this summer, Meltzer said, but his last address in public records is Lake Ariel, and that ended this past April.

Then, on Sunday, near the intersection of SR 50 and Oregon Jay Road, he was on his 1998 Harley with Remiesiewicz, and Scott "Bam Bam" Bigelow tried to change lanes.

[Bad Superman]

I agree 100% with ya on this one! The Hurricane has always been my favorite in fact, I went as him last year for Halloween. I even have a replica cruiserweight belt, the costume was perfect.

He's a GL fan. Is that another reason? :D

[3dman27]

as i understand it yes

[BlackSymbiote]

Austin put over nobody in his time but thats ok cos you like him ?

Austin has this uncanny ability to suck the heat out of anyone's push.

For example: Booker T turns heel, joins the nWo, immediately jobs to Austin, so bye bye heel heat.

nWo comes in, Nash/Hall fued with Austin. With Hogan going face again, Hall HAD to win that match at Wrestlemania. Instead Austin wins CLEAN, and the rest of the time the nWo fueded with Austin, Austin dominated the entire thing. Their poison was neutralized before they even got there!

No one could ever be put into an angle with Austin without coming out looking weak. Especially at the end when every heel ran away from him all the time.

Of course, when he stunned Stephanie, I turned to my friend and said "Hasn't Austin beaten up enough women yet?"

[BlackSymbiote]

Well this whole Stone Cold/McMahons bit was officially the most predictable thing I've ever seen on TV. More so than watching the ball drop on New Year's

I could've sworn the most predictable moment was HHH hitting Flair with the sledgehammer.

Even a blind and deaf man could see that coming.

[Hunter Rider]

Here is the tentative card for Bound for Glory:

- NWA title: Jeff Jarrett vs. Kevin Nash

- 30 minute Iron Man match for the X division title: AJ Styles vs. Christopher Daniels

- Samoa Joe vs. Jushin Liger

- Ultimate X: Chris Sabin vs. Petey Williams vs. Matt Bentley ... winner receives an X-division title shot

- Monsters brawl match: Sabu vs. Abyss vs. Rhino vs. Jeff Hardy

- 3 Live Kru vs. Team Canada (A-1, Bobby Roode, and Eric Young)

- Monty Brown vs. Lance Hoyt

- Austin Aries vs. Alex Shelley

- 2 more matches TBA

[Matt Murdock]

Now tell me,would you rather have that ^ or pay 60 dollars to see matches that you'll see the next night on RAW?

[Hunter Rider]

Now tell me,would you rather have that ^ or pay 60 dollars to see matches that you'll see the next night on RAW?

- 30 minute Iron Man match for the X division title: AJ Styles vs. Christopher Daniels

- Samoa Joe vs. Jushin Liger

- Ultimate X: Chris Sabin vs. Petey Williams vs. Matt Bentley ... winner receives an X-division title shot


These are the only 3 good matches on it though:(

[Matt Murdock]

Yeah, he said he saw one guy in the lockerroom that he wanted to fight. The crowd knew he was going to say Stone Cold before he said it.

Homecoming did set up some potential feuds though: The Hogan-Austin match, Orton/Orton vs Piper/Foley, a potential Raw vs Smackdown match for SS.....I'm sorry,but the only one that sounds kinda good is SD vs. Raw. Piper should've stayed at TNA,and I really don't want to see that feud.Just a waste of Foley and Orton's time.Hogan vs. Austin?Well,I can't see that happening.Austin is the only one who seems to refuse being in a match with Hogan.Conway said it best ''It's time for you old-timers to move over for the future''

[Matt Murdock]

- 30 minute Iron Man match for the X division title: AJ Styles vs. Christopher Daniels

- Samoa Joe vs. Jushin Liger

- Ultimate X: Chris Sabin vs. Petey Williams vs. Matt Bentley ... winner receives an X-division title shot


These are the only 3 good matches on it though:(I'm looking forward to those as well as Abyss vs. Rhino vs. Sabu vs. Jeff Hardy and Brown vs. Hoyt.

[The Techno Bat]

I could've sworn the most predictable moment was HHH hitting Flair with the sledgehammer.

Even a blind and deaf man could see that coming.

It was very obvious that Flair was going to get decked. S*cks Bigtime because I thought Flair and HHH made a great team. Does anybody know why HHH hit Flair? He kept saying to Flair when he was beating him up you didn't think I would know, how dare you, stuff like that.

I hope Flair comes back strong and beats HHH

[Hunter Rider]

It was very obvious that Flair was going to get decked. S*cks Bigtime because I thought Flair and HHH made a great team. Does anybody know why HHH hit Flair? He kept saying to Flair when he was beating him up you didn't think I would know, how dare you, stuff like that.

I hope Flair comes back strong and beats HHH

I think that the reason will be that Flair has become a Face and also showed respect to Batista

Flair wont win,this is likely his farewell feud and i expect HHH to become IC champ and maybe bring some prestige back to the belt

[The Techno Bat]

I think that the reason will be that Flair has become a Face and also showed respect to Batista

Flair wont win,this is likely his farewell feud and i expect HHH to become IC champ and maybe bring some prestige back to the belt

I think that Flair having the IC belt has brought alot of prestige back to an almost pointless title, did CCC even defend the strap besides against Flair? I don't think he did. Flair makes a great IC Champion and I hope he and HHH put on one hell of a feud, what happened to Flair reminded me a bit of when The Horsemen took out Sting when he thought he was a Horsemen.

Ric Flair has had a great solid run and he is still better than half the guys in the locker room.

[Hunter Rider]

I think that Flair having the IC belt has brought alot of prestige back to an almost pointless title, did CCC even defend the strap besides against Flair? I don't think he did. Flair makes a great IC Champion and I hope he and HHH put on one hell of a feud, what happened to Flair reminded me a bit of when The Horsemen took out Sting when he thought he was a Horsemen.

Ric Flair has had a great solid run and he is still better than half the guys in the locker room.

Well im a huge Flair fan but i think his time is up,his matches with CCC and MAsyers were pretty awful IMO,I would like to see him go out in style with a great match with HHH probably at Survivor Series
I then want to see HHH hold the IC title until WM22 and drop it to an up and comer

[The Techno Bat]

Well im a huge Flair fan but i think his time is up,his matches with CCC and MAsyers were pretty awful IMO,I would like to see him go out in style with a great match with HHH probably at Survivor Series
I then want to see HHH hold the IC title until WM22 and drop it to an up and comer

I think Flair still looks good in the ring, and I think it is Masters and CCC that may need a bit more in ring work. Masters looked pretty bad against HBK as well a few weeks back...

[punishermax]

- 30 minute Iron Man match for the X division title: AJ Styles vs. Christopher Daniels

- Samoa Joe vs. Jushin Liger

- Ultimate X: Chris Sabin vs. Petey Williams vs. Matt Bentley ... winner receives an X-division title shot


These are the only 3 good matches on it though:(

What about Aries and Shelley?

That match is gonna rock, as well as the Monsters Ball match, and Hoyt and Brown has potential.

[Hunter Rider]

I think Flair still looks good in the ring, and I think it is Masters and CCC that may need a bit more in ring work. Masters looked pretty bad against HBK as well a few weeks back...

Oh there's no doubt that CCC and MAsters are crap but Flair is nearly 60 and i have seen him steadily go back in his performances,i dont want him to be like Hogan and hang around like a bad smell after his time has gone

[The Techno Bat]

Oh there's no doubt that CCC and MAsters are crap but Flair is nearly 60 and i have seen him steadily go back in his performances,i dont want him to be like Hogan and hang around like a bad smell after his time has gone

I see what you are saying, I think Flair should stick around and go out with a BANG perhaps at WM

[Hunter Rider]

What about Aries and Shelley?

That match is gonna rock, as well as the Monsters Ball match, and Hoyt and Brown has potential.

Aries and Shelly doesnt interest me,it is another lightwieght match and the other 2 X divison matches are enough for one show IMO
As for Brown i think he is crap in all truth,he reminds me off WWE's big knuckle heads

The Monsters Ball may be good,im confused though why isnt Raven on the card ?

[The Techno Bat]

What about Aries and Shelley?

That match is gonna rock, as well as the Monsters Ball match, and Hoyt and Brown has potential.

Monty Brown is the Future of TNA, he should be going for the World Title strap not Kevin "I pop in and out whenever I want because I am making a movie and I suck, but want a title shot" Nash, I was pumped when I saw Team 3-D come out and kick ass and then I thought the down point was when Nash came out, YAWN

[Hunter Rider]

I see what you are saying, I think Flair should stick around and go out with a BANG perhaps at WM

The only way i can see Flair staying till Mania is if they do a match with Rhodes that was rumoured

[Hunter Rider]

Monty Brown is the Future of TNA, he should be going for the World Title strap not Kevin "I pop in and out whenever I want because I am making a movie and I suck, but want a title shot" Nash, I was pumped when I saw Team 3-D come out and kick ass and then I thought the down point was when Nash came out, YAWN

I agree,Nash is a selfish egomaniac who is an absolute bore in the ring but Brown is crap to IMO,The future of TNA is Daniels,Styles and Sabin

[The Techno Bat]

As for Brown i think he is crap in all truth,he reminds me off WWE's big knuckle heads



Monty Brown has steadily gotten better over the years, and his finishers THE POUNCE is awesome, granted he needs to work on his mic skills, but that is what the old school manager is for. Monty has a bright future if he keeps getting better and better.

Another guy that is a shining star but is pushed down in TNA is Sonny Siaki, why isn't this guy a super star?

[The Techno Bat]

I agree,Nash is a selfish egomaniac who is an absolute bore in the ring but Brown is crap to IMO,The future of TNA is Daniels,Styles and Sabin

We have different opioins on Brown and I can respect that, you are so right about Daniels, Styles, and Chris Sabin, and I would throw Petey Williams in there as well....

[The Techno Bat]

The only way i can see Flair staying till Mania is if they do a match with Rhodes that was rumoured

How sweet would that be... one last time, it was great seeing Rhodes do that flip flop and whatever and hitting the Bionic Elbow. Or what about a Legend's Tag Team match at WM:

Ric Flair and Arn Anderson (if he could do one last match) vs Dusty Rhodes and Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat

[Hunter Rider]

We have different opioins on Brown and I can respect that, you are so right about Daniels, Styles, and Chris Sabin, and I would throw Petey Williams in there as well....

Fair enough,i havent seen a lot of Brown but one match in particular he had with JJ reminded me of Masters,As for Petey yes he is promising and The dudleys will add to what is already an excellent Tag division

[Hunter Rider]

How sweet would that be... one last time, it was great seeing Rhodes do that flip flop and whatever and hitting the Bionic Elbow. Or what about a Legend's Tag Team match at WM:

Ric Flair and Arn Anderson (if he could do one last match) vs Dusty Rhodes and Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat

I think Sadly Arn is unable to do a match but one last time with Flair and Dusty would be cool and much better than the possible Hogan vs Austin match IMO

[The Techno Bat]

Fair enough,i havent seen a lot of Brown but one match in particular he had with JJ reminded me of Masters,As for Petey yes he is promising and The dudleys will add to what is already an excellent Tag division

TNA has the best tag team division I have seen in years, it reminds me (from old videos and ESPN classic) of what the old AWA used to have with there roster of tag teams, that were all good...

[The Techno Bat]

I think Sadly Arn is unable to do a match but one last time with Flair and Dusty would be cool and much better than the possible Hogan vs Austin match IMO

that stinks about Double A, maybe Rhodes vs Flair with Arn or Steamboat as special guest referee...

[NDX]

Sonny Siaki could be the next star if he didn't look and act so damn much like the Rock.

I watched him in a 6 man gauntlet match with Jay Lethal, Deranged, Azrieal, Dan Barry, and Reefer and he wrestled just like the Rock when he was still a good wrestler. Thought I was watching Rocky Miavia all over again.

[Hunter Rider]

TNA has the best tag team division I have seen in years, it reminds me (from old videos and ESPN classic) of what the old AWA used to have with there roster of tag teams, that were all good...

certainly reminds me of the time in WWE when they had E&C,The Hardys and The Dudleys
I think the use of Raven,Rhino and Abyss needs to be intelligent as well and not just use them in hardcore matches

[The Techno Bat]

Sonny Siaki could be the next star if he didn't look and act so damn much like the Rock.

I watched him in a 6 man gauntlet match with Jay Lethal, Deranged, Azrieal, Dan Barry, and Reefer and he wrestled just like the Rock when he was still a good wrestler. Thought I was watching Rocky Miavia all over again.

they are related, cousins I believe, and that is one thing that bugs me about Sonny, perhaps if he toned it down a bit and tried to be more his own person than like his cousin

[Hunter Rider]

that stinks about Double A, maybe Rhodes vs Flair with Arn or Steamboat as special guest referee...

They could have one in each corner like the old days perhaps

[The Techno Bat]

certainly reminds me of the time in WWE when they had E&C,The Hardys and The Dudleys
I think the use of Raven,Rhino and Abyss needs to be intelligent as well and not just use them in hardcore matches

Not a big fan of Rhino, but you are right, sure they are hardcore guys but they need to be thrown into the right circumstances for it to work, not just because they are known for it and they just do it.

I thought Abyss was going places but for some reason they have put a hold on him, I wonder if it was because of his delay in resigning, because he was on the cusp of the world title picture and now he is stuck back in the mid card status hardcore fights with Rhino and Jeff Hardy

[The Techno Bat]

They could have one in each corner like the old days perhaps

I like that idea even better Flair w/Double A in his corner and Dusty Rhodes w/Ricky the Dragon Steamboat in his corner or perhaps you could flip flop that one as well, I wouldn't mind seeing Flair vs Steamboat one last time, I would like to see if they could both pull off a 60 minute iron man match like they did back in the day, I have a feeling they could still do it

[NDX]

Flair v. Steamboat one last time would be a dream come true. But I don't see why Double A or Rhodes need to be at ringside for the match. Just seems to take a bit away from the match also having to focus on two men outside the ring.

[Hunter Rider]

Not a big fan of Rhino, but you are right, sure they are hardcore guys but they need to be thrown into the right circumstances for it to work, not just because they are known for it and they just do it.

I thought Abyss was going places but for some reason they have put a hold on him, I wonder if it was because of his delay in resigning, because he was on the cusp of the world title picture and now he is stuck back in the mid card status hardcore fights with Rhino and Jeff Hardy

I think in this day and age it is hard to push a freak monster heel as wpr;ld champ but there are other fueds Abyss could do besides the hardcore IMO and they really need to try and focus on what they are gonna do with Jeff

[Hunter Rider]

I like that idea even better Flair w/Double A in his corner and Dusty Rhodes w/Ricky the Dragon Steamboat in his corner or perhaps you could flip flop that one as well, I wouldn't mind seeing Flair vs Steamboat one last time, I would like to see if they could both pull off a 60 minute iron man match like they did back in the day, I have a feeling they could still do it

I think Flair/Steamboat was an even better combo than Flair/Rhodes so a match between those 2 would be great.It is a possibility though that they might go with a Flair vs Piper match instead

BTW speaking of the past,today is the 8 year anniversery of Brian Pillmans death:(

[Hunter Rider]

From WZ

Thanks to Chris "Dimdog" Boryk for sending in the following:

Local advertisements running in the UK for WWE Survivor Series currently have five matches advertised already, and they are:

WWE Championship:
-John Cena (c) vs. Kurt Angle

World Championship:
-Batista (c) vs. Eddie Guerrero

Buried Alive Match:
-Undertaker vs. Randy Orton

Interbrand Elimination-Style Match:
-Team SD! (JBL, Rey Mysterio, Mr. Kennedy, Chris Benoit, Christian) vs. Team RAW (HBK, Big Show, Carlito, Chris Masters, Shelton Benjamin)

Legends Match:
-"Rowdy" Roddy Piper vs. "Cowboy" Bob Orton

As always, this should be taken as rumor until otherwise confirmed.

[NDX]

After reading the potential card for SurviorSeries, it's not appealing to me. Now I wouldn't buy it anyway, but at least I won't feel I'm missing out on something.

[Eric Draven]

Seriously, the interpromotional match might be the only reason why I watch Survivor Series. It'll be interesting to see how the faces and heels on both brands react to having to fight alongside each other.....

[Hunter Rider]

After reading the potential card for SurviorSeries, it's not appealing to me. Now I wouldn't buy it anyway, but at least I won't feel I'm missing out on something.
I actually like that card except the Orton/Piper match,The 2 title matches should be good as should the RAW vs SD team match and Orton burying Tker is a great way to end the feud and Taker can return at WM22 as the Biker

[Eric Draven]

I actually like that card except the Orton/Piper match,The 2 title matches should be good as should the RAW vs SD team match and Orton burying Tker is a great way to end the feud and Taker can return at WM22 as the Biker

Who can he fight at WM though? :confused:

Besides, getting buried alive and going back to normal? Yikes :eek: :D

[Hunter Rider]

Who can he fight at WM though? :confused:

Besides, getting buried alive and going back to normal? Yikes :eek: :D

He's always been about the unexpected though:p ;)

Maybe Lesnar can help him bury Taker and they can fight at WM22

[Eric Draven]

That's if Lesner returns though :(

I swear, if they go for UT vs Kane AGAIN....:mad:

[Hunter Rider]

That's if Lesner returns though :(

I swear, if they go for UT vs Kane AGAIN....:mad:

I think he will,he has nowhere else to go:confused:

UT vs Kane part 9329413941.............:(

[Eric Draven]

Didn't they settle that lawsuit so Lesner could wrestle in Japan? :confused: Or did something else happen? :confused:


Seriously, that's the only thing I could see happening. And remember, Kane has nothing to do as well now. He could very well show up and help Orton win the Buried Alive match at SS :(

[Hunter Rider]

Didn't they settle that lawsuit so Lesner could wrestle in Japan? :confused: Or did something else happen? :confused:


Seriously, that's the only thing I could see happening. And remember, Kane has nothing to do as well now. He could very well show up and help Orton win the Buried Alive match at SS :(
I think the wrestling in Japan stuff is a cover,they wanted the interest in Lesnar to die down again so they could unveil him as a surprise at a later date

The thought of that match bores me to tears as i type,if they need to have someone screw Taker make it Lashley or some other guy that is trying to get noticed

[TheVileOne]

- 30 minute Iron Man match for the X division title: AJ Styles vs. Christopher Daniels

- Samoa Joe vs. Jushin Liger

- Ultimate X: Chris Sabin vs. Petey Williams vs. Matt Bentley ... winner receives an X-division title shot


These are the only 3 good matches on it though:(

That's THREE possible MOTYC's right there. That's better than the typical WWE PPV.

And with just those THREE matches, Bound For Glory will be a better PPV than just about EVERYTHING they've done this year including their most recent PPV's.

Hunter rider, don't underestimate Alex Shelley and Aries by calling them as lightweights. They are two of the best indy wrestlers today and two of the best on the TNA roster. I for one am excited about that match and think it could possibly steal the show.

Also, Shelley and Aries might not be behemoths, but they aren't exactly midgets and they are still fantastic performers. And no one in the WWE can do the things that Aries does. Shelley is one of the best technical and submission wrestlers I can remember in recent memory.

The reason they are loading up on X Division matches is because the X Division is TNA's biggest draw, so that's what they are focusing on.

I'm personally excited about Monster's Ball 2 and you know that they will have some sort of tag title match involving amw, the nats, and/or Team 3-D in some way shape or form.

[NDX]

I think the wrestling in Japan stuff is a cover,they wanted the interest in Lesnar to die down again so they could unveil him as a surprise at a later date

The thought of that match bores me to tears as i type,if they need to have someone screw Taker make it Lashley or some other guy that is trying to get noticed

When reading the match list, I was thinking the same thing. But then it will just feel like last year's SurvivorSeries all over again. The Buried Alive match is a bad idea all around. Either this will just be another one of Taker's "rising from the dead" storylines (he's done this countless times) or the official burial of Orton's career (this story was fine at WM21, but now this is just going too far). This match will not help wrestling in the long run.

Hmm, a thought just came to mind. Imagine Mick Foley coming in and helping Orton win the Buried Alive match setting up a match between Taker and Foley at WM22. As unlikey as it is, it's still a possibility.

[Hunter Rider]

Source: Wrestling Observer Newsletter

-- Leyla Milani, who placed second in the 2005 Diva Search, has been called by WWE and told they want to bring her in as a full-timer. It's unknown whether they has officially signed her yet or not, but it is likely that they will make some sort of announcement on their website shortly.

[punishermax]

That's THREE possible MOTYC's right there

Anytime Daniels and Styles get together, its a Match of the Year candidate.

[Hunter Rider]

The Angle/HBK matches are MOTYC as well

[Hunter Rider]

http://www.wrestlezone.com/images/spacer.gif
Source: The Wrestling Observer

We have more information on the current announce team situation for RAW.

Mike Goldberg, current announcer for UFC, has been contacted by WWE and asked about replacing Jim Ross on the announce booth. Goldberg has been telling friends in UFC that he will be taking the offer. His friends in UFC have told him that it is going to be a very tough position to fill. Goldberg does not watch pro wrestling and really has no knowledge of the product.

Goldberg will not be doing the PPV tomorrow night but it has nothing to do with WWE as he has had prior commitments that were well known before this.

As of this time, we are not sure if Mike has signed the contract or not. As for when he is starting, we're told it is imminent so if he signs before Monday it could begin as soon as this week.

It'll be interesting to see where this goes but this is a major topic of discussion among many within WWE. WWE will likely portray the move as a way to boost ratings and viewership for people who will be watching RAW Unlimited on the internet. Jim Ross is currently slated to take over that.

In case you're wondering, not very many people believe this move makes much sense

[TheVileOne]

The Angle/HBK matches are MOTYC as well

At Bound For Glory, I predict AJ and Daniels to outdo the last 2 Angle/HBK matches.

[Hunter Rider]

At Bound For Glory, I predict AJ and Daniels to outdo the last 2 Angle/HBK matches.

you would

[TheVileOne]

Considering that they had a ****1/2 Iron Man match at Against All Odds, a ****3/4 star one hour draw at Jason Takes PWG, and a ***** triple threat at Unbreakable, and another fantastic Iron Man Match at Melbourne: International Assault just recently, ALL of which happened this year...I'd say its an apt prediction

[Hunter Rider]

Considering that they had a ****1/2 Iron Man match at Against All Odds, a ****3/4 star one hour draw at Jason Takes PWG, and a ***** triple threat at Unbreakable, and another fantastic Iron Man Match at Melbourne: International Assault just recently, ALL of which happened this year...I'd say its an apt prediction

I consider all the HBK/Angle matches to be 5 star caliber as well and they all happened this year

[TheVileOne]

That's all good. They are great matches.

The triple threat at Unbreakable was just better than EVERY Angle/HBK match this year though.

And you know, FYI hunter rider...lately, TNA are the ones who've been delivering the more consistent amount of MOTYC's, not WWE. For every Angle/HBK match you name, I can name quite a few for TNA.

[punishermax]

I consider all the HBK/Angle matches to be 5 star caliber as well and they all happened this year

The HBK/Angle matches are awesome, but AJ/Daniels is on a whole different level.

[Hunter Rider]

That's all good. They are great matches.

The triple threat at Unbreakable was just better than EVERY Angle/HBK match this year though.

And you know, FYI hunter rider...lately, TNA are the ones who've been delivering the more consistent amount of MOTYC's, not WWE. For every Angle/HBK match you name, I can name quite a few for TNA.

I never said that TNA wasnt having better matches all round but ive seen Daniels vs Styles and i disagree

[Hunter Rider]

The HBK/Angle matches are awesome, but AJ/Daniels is on a whole different level.
Not IMO

[punishermax]

The triple threat at Unbreakable was the best match I've seen in years, much better than any match I've seen WWE produce in a long time.

[Hunter Rider]

The triple threat at Unbreakable was the best match I've seen in years, much better than any match I've seen WWE produce in a long time.

Thats great:up: ,im not saying it wasnt a good match but i dont think anyone can just say "this is the best match this year" as fact

[punishermax]

Between all the matches I've seen. I'm not saying every match done this year, just ones that I've seen, and HBK/Angle matches are up there, but my belief is that AJ/Daniels is better, but I'm a mark for high spots.

[Hunter Rider]

Between all the matches I've seen. I'm not saying every match done this year, just ones that I've seen, and HBK/Angle matches are up there, but my belief is that AJ/Daniels is better, but I'm a mark for high spots.

I can respect that:up: it is all a matter or opinion

[Hunter Rider]

Some interesting bits from the Ross Report


"It's amazing how good a RAW can be with the elongated talent roster made available for this past Monday. Wrestler depth is an issue that is being addressed and hopefully the developmental areas will really start operating on all cylinders soon to continue the pipeline of top young prospects headed to WWE. I think we should work the amateur wrestling world and the NFL much more aggressively in WWE's search for prospects."


"It looks as if RVD will not be able to return to the WWE until January as a result of major knee surgery. This could be a nice boost to the January tradition known as the Royal Rumble if Rob is medically cleared by that time. Here's hoping that RVD comes back better than ever and that he's given the chance to carry the ball. It was once thought that Van Dam would be back this fall but that's not what Rob's knee and Dr. Jim Andrews are saying."


"I loved the Angle-HBK match. I still like to watch men wrestle who know what they are doing ? rather than observing a high-wire act between two guys who seemingly feel no pain or have the skills to actually correctly apply a wrestling hold."

"It was a nice outing for Carlito and Chris Masters in a losing effort Monday night. These two are improving rapidly in many ways ? some that the fans do not see ? and have the chance and potential to be very good. However, "potential" won't buy groceries over the long haul."


"Will someone who is simply dying to be in the next Midnight Express, Rock ?N' Roll Express, The Fabs, L.O.D., The Horsemen, the Andersons, etc., please raise their hands? The tag-team scene in this business continues to be a lost art. What's the deal?"

[TheVileOne]

That really sucks for RVD.

I wish he'd get out of WWE and go to TNA.

[Hunter Rider]

That really sucks for RVD.

I wish he'd get out of WWE and go to TNA.

Yeah so he could job to Jeff Jarrett

[SLYspyder]

let's leave the tna discussion in the TNA thread please, thanks

[Hunter Rider]

let's leave the tna discussion in the TNA thread please, thanks

I don't mind disscussing TNA as well as this is the wrestling thread and i only subscribe to this one

[Eric Draven]

That really sucks for RVD.

I wish he'd get out of WWE and go to TNA.

The only way that would happen is if WWE would actually release him. Which I doubt they'll ever do.....

[Hunter Rider]

TNA are never gonna break the UK market if Eurosport keep this up,:mad: :(

The episodes are months old,there's no promos,no backstage segments,no storylines and the commnetators are dubbed over with 2 of eurosports own crappy guys,oh and you can't here the crowd or the entrance music:down

[NDX]

The only way that would happen is if WWE would actually release him. Which I doubt they'll ever do.....

RVD has no intentions of leaving WWE anyway. I read recently that he allowed WWE to Trademark his name, Rob Van Dam. You wouldn't do that unless you know you're going nowhere, unless when he leaves he wants to change his name.

[TheVileOne]

Poor RVD :( .

[NDX]

I agree with JR and just want see if RVD can run with the ball already. I can see it happening, but I don't get what I want when watching wrestling anymore.

[3dman27]

try TNA you'll like it

[NDX]

I've been watching it since their first episode on FSNY over a year ago (not counting the 2 months the channel was off Time Warner because Cablevision are cheap ****s), and I still find parts disappointing.

[Hunter Rider]

Source: PWInsider

Brock Lesnar defeated IWGP champion Kazuyuki Fujita and Masahiro Chono in a three-way match after pinning Chono, to win the IWGP title.

Manabu Nakanishi & Kendo Kashin defeated Charlie Haas & Mark Jindrak and Matt Morgan beat Yuji Nagata in other matches on the show.

It'll be interesting to see where this goes as Lesnar is currently in a major contract dispute with WWE. Lesnar is prohibited from working for any other wrestling company due to the lawsuit. More details shortly.

[Hunter Rider]

Source: PWInsider.com

- Confirming the premonition that was rampant in the lockerroom, estimates for this year's WWE Unforgiven PPV are at a meager 225,000 buys. Although the final figures might boost the buyrate just above WWE Great American Bash (235,000 buys), there is little positive to be said about this number.

As reported, much of the lockerroom is pessimistic with regards to Sunday's WWE No Mercy PPV. Reports indicate that some are fearing a performance below 200,000 buys.

Time to merge the brands IMO

[Hunter Rider]

Brock with his new championship

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/6163/17pw3.jpg

[Eric Draven]

His new tattoo really sucks.....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v27/EricDraven/lesner.jpg

[NDX]

Low buy rates? What a shock. When you noticably put all the best matches on your top 4 programs and leave the remaining, what, 12 shows now lacking in quality wrestling, you actually think you will get good PPV sales? You've been doing PPVs for over 20 years now, you'd think you'd know this buy now. Put on a better program.

Now, as for merging the brands, that might verywell be the only solution at the moment (even though that will mean even less television time for the under- and midcard wrestlers), although I'd prefer not to see it happen. I'd like to see WWE instead attempt to push wrestlers who diserve at stop treating their fans like retarded marks.

[Hunter Rider]

His new tattoo really sucks.....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v27/EricDraven/lesner.jpg

I think it's Badass:(

[Hunter Rider]

Any predictions for No Mercy (aside from it'll suck:rolleyes: :p )

Batista vs Eddie-a finish that will set up a rematch at Survivor Series it just better not be a DQ again:mad:

Orton's vs Taker-Orton gets made to luck bad again as Piper helps Taker:(

US title Fatal 4-Way-Benoit to win

6 Person Tag-MNM to win in worst match of the show

JBL vs Rey-hard one to call,could be a no contest with interference from the RAW guys

Lashley vs Dean-Squash win for Lashley

Holly vs Mr Kennedy-Kennedy to win but Holly will hurt him first

[Hunter Rider]

Partial Source: PWInsider.com


With his court case behind him, Brock Lesnar in his debut match last night with New Japan, defeated Kazuyuki Fujita ? & Masahiro Chono for the IWGP Heavyweight title. Lesnar used 'The Verdict' as his finisher since he can't call it an F5 but it was the same move. This is obviously a cheap shot at WWE for the way court proceedings went. We won't be seeing Lesnar in a WWE ring anytime soon that's for sure. Lesnar has actually gone on record as saying the contract WWE offered him was outrageously bad.

:( :( :( :(

[NDX]

Predictions, aye?

World Heavyweight Title Match
Batista (c) vs. Eddie Guerrero - I would like to see Eddie walk away with the title, but I have no reason to think WWE is willing to take the title off Batista yet. I guess we have to wait for SS for this title change.

2 On 1 Handicap Match (Wasn't this a Casket Match?)
The Undertaker vs. Bob and Randy Orton - WHY!??!?!?!?! Just... end it now. I give this one to Undertaker with interference from Hot Rod to set up the Legends match at SS as well as the Buried Alive match. Will this ever end?

United States Championship Match
Chris Benoit (c) vs. Orlando Jordan vs. Booker T vs. Christian - I want to give this one to Christian, but we all know he will never win another title again. I have to give this one to the Crippler.

JBL vs. Rey Mysterio - I actually wish this match wasn't on the PPV, I'd like to see this one myself. I see Mysterio coming out the victor in this match.

L.O.D & Christy Hemme vs. MMM - WHY?!?!?!? Oh well, I didn't buy the event, so I don't have to suffer through it. I give this to MNM to set up a eventual tital switch. Maybe WWE will pull their heads out of their cumulative ass and give the titles to Regal and Birchal, instead of MNM.

Simon Dean vs. Bobby Lashley - Lashley's push to the bigtime will continue in this match.

Hardcore Holly vs. Ken Kennedy - This should be fun. Holly is going to put Kennedy (........ Kennedy!) through the ringer, but in the end Kennedy will continue his winning streak. Should be a good match though. Shame this might be the one to steal the event.

Cruiserweight Championship Match
Nunzio (c) vs. Juventud - Wait, the Juice wrestles?! I have to give this one to Juvie, unfortunately. I like Li'l Guido and thinks he is more than diserving to hold the belt, but the division needs a new direction for the time being, and the Juice still has name recognition. Now, if Rey Mysterio was stil in the division we might see the Cruiserweights on Smackdown! more regularly and not have to watch WWE.com for the matches.

Just a thought here, but this one has the potential to be an amazing match, if the wrestlers are aloud to work. If this match starts the show off right, it could help lead the event into a good rythem. But the event keeping that rythem is in major question.

[Matt Murdock]

His new tattoo really sucks.....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v27/EricDraven/lesner.jpgEw.What the hell?

[NDX]

His new tattoo really sucks.....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v27/EricDraven/lesner.jpg
Obviousely he got it in a prison in Singapore.

[Eric Draven]

I think it's Badass:(

It kinda looks like a penis is pointed right at his mouth :(

[Hunter Rider]

It kinda looks like a penis is pointed right at his mouth :(

It's knuckle duster knife,does kinda make him look like the poster child for the aryian nation though:(

[Eric Draven]

The tip of the knife looks a bit suspect though :( I honestly can't take him that seriously anymore with that tattoo :(

[Hunter Rider]

The tip of the knife looks a bit suspect though :( I honestly can't take him that seriously anymore with that tattoo :(

I just want him to come back cos he's so much better than 95% of the roster:(

[Eric Draven]

I honestly doubt he will though. The way he badmouthed the WWE after he first left, he probably knows he'll get screwed over initially if he returns. Vince will definitely have it out for him....

[NDX]

Unfortunately his WWE career is probably over. Shame, he really is one of the better talents out there. Would really pick up the Smackdown! roster if he was on it. Just won't happen, though.

Guess I just need to hope they release dvds of these events here in the states.

[TheVileOne]

His WWE career being over is more his fault than WWE's.

Would his tattoo have to be blurred out on American TV?

I mean...just look at it.

[NDX]

I'd have it blurred even if it didn't look like a phallus. Just looks bad.

[Colossal Spoons]

That tattoo is quite hideous lol. I wish he would have had the chance to come back to the WWE. He'd be put on Smackdown no doubt it it would just be a matter of time till the Lesner/Batista fued would have begun.

[NDX]

Source: www.WrestlingAttitude.com (http://www.wrestlingattitude.com/)

We are told that Mike Goldberg has turned down WWE's offer after talking with friends about how Vince McMahon works. That was the latest as of yesterday. He has been fighting with this huge decision over the last week and this whole situation is just a mess.

It looks as if Ross will be calling RAW for now until they can come up with a replacement.

Anyone one else think now is a good time to see if Joey Styles could work on RAW?

[Eric Draven]

That tattoo is quite hideous lol. I wish he would have had the chance to come back to the WWE. He'd be put on Smackdown no doubt it it would just be a matter of time till the Lesner/Batista fued would have begun.

He did have the chance though. The WWE did give him the offer to come back. But it was Brock (repeatedly) who refused to return. And of course the WWE would try to give Brock a lowball offer. After the way he last left the WWE, did he honestly think he would be getting a similar offer when he first signed with the company?

[Hunter Rider]

His WWE career being over is more his fault than WWE's.

Would his tattoo have to be blurred out on American TV?

I mean...just look at it.

Does it mean anything ?

[TheVileOne]

Does it mean anything ?

Look closely of the new tattoo on his chest in Eric Draven's pictures above.

[guitarsingerguy]

Look closely of the new tattoo on his chest in Eric Draven's pictures above.

What am I supposed to be seeing there? I don't have my glasses on. :confused:

[TheVileOne]

What am I supposed to be seeing there? I don't have my glasses on. :confused:
IT LOOKS LIKE FREAKING GENITALIA!

[guitarsingerguy]

IT LOOKS LIKE FREAKING GENITALIA!

Oh, I see, you mean with the rounded tip and............yeah, I guess.

[White_Howling]

I honestly doubt he will though. The way he badmouthed the WWE after he first left, he probably knows he'll get screwed over initially if he returns. Vince will definitely have it out for him....


I don't blame vince.. Brock was a real dick when he left.. he also bad mouthed the WWE.. when he left

[Colossal Spoons]

I'd kinda like to see Nathan Jones return to the ring. His whole "not liking to travel too much" sounded like a BS reason for backing out.

[TheVileOne]

I'd kinda like to see Nathan Jones return to the ring. His whole "not liking to travel too much" sounded like a BS reason for backing out.

Good riddance to that big ass slug. That he quit for the BS reason is just symbolic that he doesn't belong in the business.

[Colossal Spoons]

There does seem to be a lack of huge and athletic guys these days. WWE went into a slump with Nathan Jones and Matt Morgan. Guys like Tyson Tomko, Bobby Lashley, nad even Batista are hopefully an indication of more guys like Brock to made their debuts.

[Matt Murdock]

I liked Morgan.:(

[Eric Draven]

I don't blame vince.. Brock was a real dick when he left.. he also bad mouthed the WWE.. when he left

Yep. I don't really blame Vince either. Brock was paid 8 million dollars and was given the title belt very shortly after he debuted. Basically, the WWE gave him the world. And not only does Brock leave the WWE on very short notice, but he basically bites the hand that feeds him. Talk about ungrateful.....

[Metamorpho1977]

Stacy Keibler Involved In Hollywood Love Affair?
News WWE— Ryan Clark @ 8:28 am
According to the latest edition of Star Magazine, SmackDown’s Stacy Keibler has found herself stuck in the middle of a torrid love triangle.
The other two involved? Geoffrey Stults and fellow cast mate in the upcoming movie The Break Up, Jennifer Aniston.
Star, which hits newsstands Thursday, warns Aniston that her newest rival, Keibler, is younger, taller and can kick her butt! According to the popular celebrity news magazine, the former Friends star, “has her eye on a younger man – actor Geoffrey Stults. But Jennifer Aniston needs to proceed with caution. Geoff, 6’3”, has a girlfriend – and when she stands by her man, she’s almost as tall as he is. Gorgeous 25-year-old Stacy Keibler is a pro wrestler who could crumble a little thing like Jen over her breakfast cereal!”
A source close to the situation claims that Jen and Geoff were originally introduced by another costar of The Break Up, Vince Vaughn. The source told Star that Vaughn was looking “to find someone for Jen to get with.” The source adds, “I think something serious is brewing with Geoff, simply because she speaks about him in completely different terms than Vince, as if there might be a future there.”[/BStar, which hits newsstands Thursday, warns Aniston that her newest rival, Keibler, is younger, taller and can kick her butt! According to the popular celebrity news magazine, the former Friends star, “has her eye on a younger man – actor Geoffrey Stults. But Jennifer Aniston needs to proceed with caution. Geoff, 6’3”, has a girlfriend – and when she stands by her man, she’s almost as tall as he is. Gorgeous 25-year-old Stacy Keibler is a pro wrestler who could crumble a little thing like Jen over her breakfast cereal!”

A source close to the situation claims that Jen and Geoff were originally introduced by another costar of The Break Up, Vince Vaughn. The source told Star that Vaughn was looking “to find someone for Jen to get with.” The source adds, “I think something serious is brewing with Geoff, simply because she speaks about him in completely different terms than Vince, as if there might be a future there.”

So, Star magazine thinks Stacy Keibler could kick Jennifer Aniston's ass? What do you guys think? I have to disagree. I think Jennifer Aniston would take the upper hand in this fight. Sure Stacy Keibler has the wrestling background, but I can sense a fire in Jennifer Aniston that I think she could win in a fight.

[3dman27]

So, Star magazine thinks Stacy Keibler could kick Jennifer Aniston's ass? What do you guys think? I have to disagree. I think Jennifer Aniston would take the upper hand in this fight. Sure Stacy Keibler has the wrestling background, but I can sense a fire in Jennifer Aniston that I think she could win in a fight.
now THIS is a wrestling feud i'd tune in to see :marv:

[TheVileOne]

Yep. I don't really blame Vince either. Brock was paid 8 million dollars and was given the title belt very shortly after he debuted. Basically, the WWE gave him the world. And not only does Brock leave the WWE on very short notice, but he basically bites the hand that feeds him. Talk about ungrateful.....

For a career in the NFL. Guess he didn't think he would have had to travel so much in the NFL I suppose.

If Lesnar had such a huge problem with the travel schedule, he should've talked it out with management and see if they could've worked something out.

[Hunter Rider]

Having just seen No Mercy i will say this,the Jarrett/Nash match can't be any crapper than Boretista vs Eddie, wow are "the Animals" limitations showing up now and TNA has the IM match and Monsters Ball and 3d vs AMW to fall back on

The card was rubbish except 3 matches (4-way,CWT.Casket match)

notable low points were

1)Rey losing after such a great summer to a no talent slug clean

2)the fact that the Orton/Taker feud still isnt done despite the win and the fact they drew out a stupid fire coffin gimmick that was used at Rumble 98 made it worse

3)Holly breing a jerk as usual and trying to sabotage Kennedy with no sells

[Colossal Spoons]

Why does Holly refuse to sell while putting people over? His stubborn attitude is most annoying.

[Eric Draven]

It's because Holly is a miserable has-been who's annoyed at other wrestlers (who are better than him) always constantly getting pushed.

[TheVileOne]

Having just seen No Mercy i will say this,the Jarrett/Nash match can't be any crapper than Boretista vs Eddie, wow are "the Animals" limitations showing up now and TNA has the IM match and Monsters Ball and 3d vs AMW to fall back on

The card was rubbish except 3 matches (4-way,CWT.Casket match)

notable low points were

1)Rey losing after such a great summer to a no talent slug clean

2)the fact that the Orton/Taker feud still isnt done despite the win and the fact they drew out a stupid fire coffin gimmick that was used at Rumble 98 made it worse

3)Holly breing a jerk as usual and trying to sabotage Kennedy with no sells
Don't forget the dream match of Joe/Liger and Ultimate X. Both match of the year candidates, or the potential of such.

[Hunter Rider]

Don't forget the dream match of Joe/Liger and Ultimate X. Both match of the year candidates, or the potential of such.

Has Liger still got it ? i remember him being a bit rusty last time i saw him

[TheVileOne]

Liger still has it.

He's had fantastic matches recently in ROH. One of which was against the American Dragon, Bryan Danielson. He also tagged with his BFG opponent, Samoa Joe in ROH as well.

[Hunter Rider]

Liger still has it.

He's had fantastic matches recently in ROH. One of which was against the American Dragon, Bryan Danielson. He also tagged with his BFG opponent, Samoa Joe in ROH as well.

Good,Danielson was trained by Shawn Michaels i was reading about him the other night
do you expect Joe to go over against Liger ?

[TheVileOne]

Its a bit of a toss-up. But I'm going to put my money on Joe.

Liger I think will have 2 more matches later on that he can win.

[Hunter Rider]

Its a bit of a toss-up. But I'm going to put my money on Joe.

Liger I think will have 2 more matches later on that he can win.

Just been watching the promo vids for Bound For Glory,it should be a hell of a show,it has a real variety of matches,I just wish it was Raven against JJ instead of Nash and it would be perfect

[Hunter Rider]

Oh God looks like the Mcmahons are gonna be back on the show:( :down

[GLfan]

If all goes to what I'm hearing on Lordsofpain JR will be getting fired tonight.

[PyroChamber]

For some reason that doesn't surprise me. They'll probably say it's because JR didn't help Steph up on the announcer's table.

I guess this works with JR supposely leaving his annoucer's position anyway.

[Eric Draven]

You know how I said a couple weeks back that the WWE right now is better than the WWE of a couple years back due to no more McMahons being on?



Well I ****ing spoke too soon :mad: :mad:

I hate the McMahons being on tv. And seeing them screw over JR to end the show is the worst way to end the show.

Hell, I would rather see Chris Masters vs Gene Snitsky in a holds match for the main event rather than the **** seen at the end of Raw this week.


God! :mad:

[Super Kal]

too bad for JR...

[GLfan]

For some reason that doesn't surprise me. They'll probably say it's because JR didn't help Steph up on the announcer's table.

I guess this works with JR supposely leaving his annoucer's position anyway.
Yeah he's leaving the announcer's position to do something on wwe.com. The story I hear is that McMahon didn't like being humiliated by Austin last week, and since JR is Austin's best friend someone has to pay and it's good ole JR.

[Super Kal]

you know Austin is gonna be on next Monday to say something about it..

[Eric Draven]

Just great, we're back to McMahon vs Austin again :rolleyes: :mad:


I all of a sudden want to see Cena vs Bischoff now......

[Angelus103]

on my tv raw was blacked out after the doom promo

[NDX]

Glad I fell asleep before the final segment.

[BlackSymbiote]

EDIT: I should really learn to read threads.

[White_Howling]

what they gave him the belt right away? that sucks

[TheVileOne]

Hey it happens.

Lesnar had already been employed with the WWE for a while anyway. He was in OVW and stuff like that and working dark matches.