Wrestling

[White_Howling]

it annoys me, that whenever a new wwe star shoes up he wins the match.. thats just annoying

[PyroChamber]

2 things...

1) Does this mean that Steph is going to be on camera more? Damn, what a ***** she was on RAW last night?

2) Does anyone know, or have any info, on who this new WWE diva is? I actually liked how she came in and kicked Victoria's ass.

[GLfan]

2 things...


Does anyone know, or have any info, on who this new WWE diva is? I actually liked how she came in and kicked Victoria's ass.
This is what I've been able to find:

The new WWE diva that debuted on the run in during the Trish Stratus/Victoria match was Alexis Laree, who will work in WWE under her real name Mickie James. They have established James as the newest WWE diva as well as Trish’s biggest fan.

Mickie has been active on the Independent scene during her career as well as stints with both TNA and ROH, working as Alexis Laree. Recently, she has been in Ohio Valley Wrestling, preparing for her WWE debut for over a year.

[Hunter Rider]

Just great, we're back to McMahon vs Austin again :rolleyes: :mad:


I all of a sudden want to see Cena vs Bischoff now......

I'll co-sign this,Austin and the Mchmahons= http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/23/23_11_55.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZNxdm824AXGB)

[Bad Superman]

WWE WRESTLING
R.I.P.
OCTOBER 10, 2005

Last night I witnessed the death of WWE thanks to the huge egos of the Mc Mahon-Helmsley family.

Causes of death: The whole Mc Mahon-Helmsley segments, Doink, Ego H's 11th title reign countdown, the firing of JR.

25 years as a fan. . . it was a great ride while it lasted. Too bad I witnessed the death of WWE. I never thought I would say that nor witness it.

[Hunter Rider]

WWE WRESTLING


R.I.P.
OCTOBER 10, 2005







Last night I witnessed the death of WWE thanks to the huge egos of the Mc Mahon-Helmsley family. 25 years as a fan. . . it was a great ride while it lasted. Too bad I witnessed the death of WWE. I never thought I would say that nor witness it.

Yes i think your right,especially if the Mcmahons are back for good:(
Not sure how HHH figures though,all he did was cut a promo:confused:

[Bad Superman]

Yes i think your right,especially if the Mcmahons are back for good:(
Not sure how HHH figures though,all he did was cut a promo:confused:

I was referring to his comment to Cena about "getting some" and pointing at the title. The countdown began for Triple H's 11th title reign.

Thank God there's still TNA.

[Hunter Rider]

I was referring to his comment to Cena about "getting some" and pointing at the title. The countdown began for Triple H's 11th title reign.

Thank God there's still TNA.
Oh right i didn;t realise he'd mentioned Cena i thought his promo was all about Flair

And yes your lucky you have TNA....I don't:(

[Bad Superman]

Oh right i didn;t realise he'd mentioned Cena i thought his promo was all about Flair

And yes your lucky you have TNA....I don't:(

He did on the backstage shot where many wrestlers were looking at him upset at what he "did" to Flair. Three of them comfronted Triple H: HBK, Big Show and Cena.

You don't have Spike TV??? :confused:

[Hunter Rider]

He did on the backstage shot where many wrestlers were looking at him upset at what he "did" to Flair. Three of them comfronted Triple H: HBK, Big Show and Cena.

You don't have Spike TV??? :confused:

Oh ,god the thought of Cena vs HHH is boring me already

No Spike isnt available here:(

[3dman27]

its still available on regional outlets isn't it?

[Eric Draven]

This is what I've been able to find:

The new WWE diva that debuted on the run in during the Trish Stratus/Victoria match was Alexis Laree, who will work in WWE under her real name Mickie James. They have established James as the newest WWE diva as well as Trish’s biggest fan.

Mickie has been active on the Independent scene during her career as well as stints with both TNA and ROH, working as Alexis Laree. Recently, she has been in Ohio Valley Wrestling, preparing for her WWE debut for over a year.

I didn't even realize it was Alexis Laree until I read that it was her on the internet. Damn she got.....big :eek:

[Eric Draven]

He did on the backstage shot where many wrestlers were looking at him upset at what he "did" to Flair. Three of them comfronted Triple H: HBK, Big Show and Cena.

You don't have Spike TV??? :confused:

I actually liked that segment with Triple H in the backstage. To be honest, the majority of the stuff with Triple H I didn't mind. They're still doing a feud with Triple H and they're only hinting at a feud with Cena, which we all knew was going to happen anyways. That didn't bother me much.

Starting and ending the show with a segment featuring the McMahons, however, totally pissed me off. God, the WWE was so much better when it was just Vince sporadically making an appearance and just acting like "the boss". Not having all of the family just coming out and taking up 30 minutes of tv time :mad: :mad:

[Hunter Rider]

I didn't even realize it was Alexis Laree until I read that it was her on the internet. Damn she got.....big :eek:

Yeah and she was...errrr.....skankier last time i saw her:confused:

[Hunter Rider]

I actually liked that segment with Triple H in the backstage. To be honest, the majority of the stuff with Triple H I didn't mind. They're still doing a feud with Triple H and they're only hinting at a feud with Cena, which we all knew was going to happen anyways. That didn't bother me much.

Starting and ending the show with a segment featuring the McMahons, however, totally pissed me off. God, the WWE was so much better when it was just Vince sporadically making an appearance and just acting like "the boss". Not having all of the family just coming out and taking up 30 minutes of tv time :mad: :mad:

Ive seen that segment now and yeah it was OK but god if HHH and Cena are gonna feud can't it just be a feud without the damn belt and make Angle Champion instead:(

As for the Mcmahons i agree totaly i pray it was a one week only thing

[Eric Draven]

Ive seen that segment now and yeah it was OK but god if HHH and Cena are gonna feud can't it just be a feud without the damn belt and make Angle Champion instead:(

As for the Mcmahons i agree totaly i pray it was a one week only thing

Yeah, it would be better without the championship, but I think Trips needs his security blanket ;) :p

I doubt it. I thought the McMahons showing up last week at Homecoming was a one-time thing, but then they took up like half an hour of Raw yesterday. I bet now we'll get Shane McMahon coming out to act as the face McMahon to try and settle the three other McMahons. Then we'll get like Shane vs Vince again (this time with a stipulation as agreed upon in Taboo Tuesday). And meanwhile, Bischoff, the commissioner of Raw, just disappears from tv

:(

[Hunter Rider]

Yeah, it would be better without the championship, but I think Trips needs his security blanket ;) :p

Then i shall hate him to,Angle as champ for christ sakes you wwe retards:mad:


I doubt it. I thought the McMahons showing up last week at Homecoming was a one-time thing, but then they took up like half an hour of Raw yesterday. I bet now we'll get Shane McMahon coming out to act as the face McMahon to try and settle the three other McMahons. Then we'll get like Shane vs Vince again (this time with a stipulation as agreed upon in Taboo Tuesday). And meanwhile, Bischoff, the commissioner of Raw, just disappears from tv

:(


*dies a little inside* so the mcmahon heel supergroup of **** wrestlers are gonna emerge,probably with HHH as their champ and Hogan as their legend to fight Austin......*dies*

[Bad Superman]

Is it only me or is anybody else pissed about how JR's firing was handled?

I won't watch another McMahon-Helmsley era, so I guess my WWE days are over.

[Hunter Rider]

Is it only me or is anybody else pissed about how JR's firing was handled?

I won't watch another McMahon-Helmsley era, so I guess my WWE days are done.

He was fired in typical, Mcmahon fashion,they look big and stroke their massive Ego's while humiliating someone else:down

The thought of the Mcmahon/HHH supergroup makes me Ill:mad:

[Eric Draven]

Is it only me or is anybody else pissed about how JR's firing was handled?

I won't watch another McMahon-Helmsley era, so I guess my WWE days are over.

Yeah, it wasn't really the firing of Ross that annoyed me, it was the way it was done. With a full teasing throughout the show of someone going to be fired. With two separate McMahon segments going on. And yet more public embarrassment of JR by the McMahons.

Seriously, this makes me wish for the days of Bischoff, Cena, Masters, and Carlito in the main event again :mad:

[Bad Superman]

He was fired in typical, Mcmahon fashion,they look big and stroke their massive Ego's while humiliating someone else:down

The thought of the Mcmahon/HHH supergroup makes me Ill:mad:

I just wonder why the heck couldn't they let him go gracefully. He has given so much for the business. I will miss his play by plays. I hope he gets a job in TNA and sticks it to Vince.

[Bad Superman]

Yeah, it wasn't really the firing of Ross that annoyed me, it was the way it was done. With a full teasing throughout the show of someone going to be fired. With two separate McMahon segments going on. And yet more public embarrassment of JR by the McMahons.

Seriously, this makes me wish for the days of Bischoff, Cena, Masters, and Carlito in the main event again :mad:

That was the only good thing about the show. All those guys showing up at Carlito's Cabana wanting to get a shot at Cena. The rest just plain sucked and was a huge waste of time.

[Hunter Rider]

I just wonder why the heck couldn't they let him go gracefully. He has given so much for the business. I will miss his play by plays. I hope he gets a job in TNA and sticks it to Vince.

He isnt really fired,he is going to host WWE's webcasts

[Hunter Rider]

Source: PWTorch.com

As everyone knows by now, Jim Ross was fired on-air last night at RAW. This was likely Ross' last broadcast ever as Vince is very set on replacing JR in return for a much younger, hipper, announce team. There are absolutely no plans to use Ross at PPV events either. The backstage feeling at RAW was that the guys were just in awe of what was happening. It doesn't make sense to many wrestling circles but then again it doesn't need to as only one man makes the final decisions.

[Bad Superman]

He isnt really fired,he is going to host WWE's webcasts

:( There are news that say he is out of WWE: :(

Latest On Ross Firing, TNA To Monday Nights?, More News

By Ryan Clark, WrestlingInc.com Staff

Source: PWTorch.com
As everyone knows by now, Jim Ross was fired on-air last night at RAW. This was likely Ross' last broadcast ever as Vince is very set on replacing JR in return for a much younger, hipper, announce team. There are absolutely no plans to use Ross at PPV events either. The backstage feeling at RAW was that the guys were just in awe of what was happening. It doesn't make sense to many wrestling circles but then again it doesn't need to as only one man makes the final decisions.

And:

Vince McMahon's firing of Ross is a crass reminder of the kind of person he is

Oct 11, 2005, 03:32

Guest Editorial
By Ivan Trembow
PWTorch.com reader

I'm not an extremely religious person, but I truly believe that if there is a hell, Vince McMahon is going to go there when he dies. The reasons are too numerous to list, but the latest one is firing a long-time loyal employee and the universally recognized best play-by-play man in the pro wrestling business, Jim Ross, simply because he has Bell's Palsy and is therefore not an "attractive announcer."

How many wrestlers have been passed by over the years because they didn't have the "look" that Vince McMahon has a fetish for? (You know, the big, muscular "roided-up freak" look.) How many young wrestlers have taken steroids because they know that they're never going to be successful in the no. 1 organization, WWE, if they are can't achieve a modicum of that look, which is impossible to achieve without freakishly muscle-bound genetics, or large amounts of steroids? How many wrestlers have died with grossly enlarged hearts due to steroid usage? Too many.

Vince McMahon, in his fetish for big men, has long valued appearance more than talent in his pro wrestlers. Now that policy is extending to announcers. Jim Ross has had Bell's Palsy, and many of his facial muscles are paralyzed. This causes his face to look awkward, but his appearance is far from freakish and is actually much less "abnormal" than a 60-year-old man like Vince McMahon walking around with his arm muscles still magically getting bigger every year.

More importantly, the Bell's Palsy that Jim Ross suffers from does not affect his performance as the universally recognized best play-by-play man in the wrestling business. All it does is make him look different. Vince McMahon doesn't care. To hell with Ross's experience of over 30 years in the wrestling business. To hell with the fact that he's still the best play-by-play man in the business. To hell with the fact that he has stood by WWE through thick and thin over the years. Vince wants an attractive guy as WWE's lead announcer, and to hell with the man who has been the voice of WWE for years.

Not only that, but in removing Jim Ross from his position as Raw's play-by-play man in a real life decision made a few weeks ago (instead demoting him to a WWE.com position that is listened to by thousands of people instead of millions), Vince McMahon booked a storyline in which Ross would be humiliated one last time. I could anticipate McMahon publicly humiliating Jim Ross in a fake storyline, firing him in a storyline, even having Linda McMahon kick Ross in the groin as part of the storyline, all of which happened on Raw. Vince McMahon gets off on that kind of thing. I wouldn't expect anything less from a scumbag such as McMahon who derives pleasure from screwing with people.

What I can't understand is why Stephanie McMahon, in the same segment, was booked to slap Ross directly on his face, despite the fact that Ross has had Bell's Palsy and isn't exactly supposed to be slapped in the face. The last time WWE booked Jim Ross in an in-ring segment, it was in a match with Vince McMahon's beloved son-in-law, Triple H. During that match, an errant punch actually connected with Ross's face instead of being pulled by Triple H, and it resulted in Ross suffering from blurred vision for a couple of weeks after the match.

He still did his job on Raw for the next several weeks when that happened... you know, just like he always has. Just like he did when he had just received word that his mother died, and he did the play-by-play on a WWE pay-per-view because they had no one else on hand to do it. Just like he did when Vince McMahon insisted that "the show must go on" after Owen Hart fell to his death in a WWE ring. Ross was always there to do his job, and no one was better at it. And yet just a few months after getting hurt in a match with Triple H that he should have never been booked to do, here's Vince McMahon, gleefully booking his nipped-and-tucked daughter Stephanie to slap Jim Ross across the face. Does that make you feel like a man, Vince? Does that get you off?

In the big picture, Stephanie being booked to slap Jim Ross in the face, despite the risks to Ross's health, is just an example in the bigger picture. Vince McMahon doesn't give a damn about Jim Ross's health, or Jim Ross in general, despite his years of loyal service as the best play-by-play man in the business, despite the fact that fans around the world love him. Vince has no problem giving a big "F-U" to Jim Ross or to the fans, just as he has done before.

Jim Ross is still able to do his job, and he's able to do it just as well as he ever did, but Vince McMahon doesn't give a damn. Ross has Bell's Palsy, Vince wants attractive announcers, and so Jim Ross has to go. F--- you, Vince McMahon.

***



JIM ROSS, THE GREATEST PLAY-BY-PLAY MAN IN THE HISTORY OF PROFESSIONAL WRESTLING, ALREADY REMOVED FROM WWE.COM
By: Joey Styles
10/11/2005 9:30:00 AM

Jim Ross' superstar bio, photos and videos have been removed from WWE.com.

To be honest, I visited Jim Ross' section before RAW in case this was truly going to be the end of J.R.'s career as a wrestling television announcer.

Let me go on record now as saying that for whatever my humble opinion is worth, Jim Ross is the greatest play-by-play man in the history of professional wrestling and he had a huge influence on the way I called matches during my brief run as a pro wrestling play-by-play man.

Boomer Sooners!

Joey Styles


WWE News: Ross probably broadcast his final WWE TV show last night, Monday Night War II update

By Wade Keller, Torch editor
Oct 11, 2005, 02:41

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-Jim Ross was fired on the air on Raw last night. He was also, for an intents and purposes, fired from his job in reality. Although the deal to bring in Mike Goldberg from UFC failed, McMahon is set on the plan to replace Ross with a more photogenic, youthful announcer to host the "A-show." This is probably Ross's final TV broadcast for WWE ever. There aren't plans for him to do PPVs, as had been speculated might be the case in some circles. As one WWE source notes, "Barring a huge fan backlash, this is probably it." I have a lot more on this situation in this morning's new 20 minute Keller Audio Update, which is dedicated almost entirely to details and backstage reaction at Raw last night to the Ross ousting along with analysis of where he could go from here, how long his contract with WWE is for, what could save his job, potential candidates to replace him, and more. (

[Hunter Rider]

Oh wow so it looks like the asswipe mcmahons did a shoot angle on Ross:mad: :down
I wonder what Joey Styles is gonna do since he has commented publicly on it

[Metamorpho1977]

I just wonder why the heck couldn't they let him go gracefully. He has given so much for the business. I will miss his play by plays. I hope he gets a job in TNA and sticks it to Vince.

The only thing I don't like about JR. He's the one that made the call for the Cruiserweights to tone down their moves. If he goes to TNA, he's gonna do that to the X-Division.

[TheVileOne]

Its all for show guys. He's not really fired and he's not going to TNA.

[Hunter Rider]

Thanks to Brad Wheeler for the following:

During the 10/10 edition of Raw, they aired a local commercial for the Detroit area advertising Survivor Series at Joe Louis Arena and mentioned the following matches/events:

-The Undertaker returns (Note: It's expected Undertaker and Randy Orton will wrestle in a gimmick match, possible Buried Alive)
-Batista vs. Eddie Guerrero: World Title
-Shawn Michaels & Team RAW vs. JBL & Team Smackdown for "WWE Supremacy".
-Kurt Angle vs. John Cena: WWE Title
-Eric Bischoff vs. Teddy Long


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[TheVileOne]

They've milked the Undertaker/Orton feud dry. Especially after that lame casket match.

Batista vs. Eddie Guerrero hasn't exactly been the shot in the arm the world title scene on Smackdown has so desperately needed.

[NDX]

I can see the elimination Raw v. Smackdown match ending with Edge getting taken out by a returning Matt Hardy while JBL or Chris Benoit gets the pin for the side of Smackdown. If Edge is in the match.

[Hunter Rider]

I can see the elimination Raw v. Smackdown match ending with Edge getting taken out by a returning Matt Hardy while JBL or Chris Benoit gets the pin for the side of Smackdown. If Edge is in the match.

The most likely outcome is HBK and JBL as the last man for each team with HBK pinning JBL as WWE see's RAW as the premiere brand

[Hunter Rider]

They've milked the Undertaker/Orton feud dry. Especially after that lame casket match.

Batista vs. Eddie Guerrero hasn't exactly been the shot in the arm the world title scene on Smackdown has so desperately needed.

Actually the casket match itself was quite good until the stupid RR98 rip off ending,the worst thing is the fact Taker will go over at SS:down

As long as a no talent mono sylibic roidster like Batista is champ it will never improve

[NDX]

Hacksaw Jim Dugin Flips Over Bus, Major Accident
From local6.com. There are photos at the website.

A bus being driven by a pro-wrestler at a celebrity fundraising event preview in New Smyrna Beach flipped Monday, injuring a pro wrestler and an Orlando newspaper reporter, according to a Local 6 News report.

The Volusia County Sheriff's annual fundraiser event includes celebrity bus racing around the track at the New Smyrna Beach Speedway.
During a practice race Monday, wrestler Hacksaw Jim Dugin flipped his bus with a newspaper reporter onboard.

"It just flipped over," Dugin said. "They said stay up high and keep it down. I stayed up high and was keeping it down and once it started to go, it does not respond like anything I've ever driven before."

Dugin was treated for minor cuts and is expected to be OK. The newspaper reporter, who was not wearing a seatbelt, was treated for minor scrapes.

"This is a race, no matter what and anything can happen," Volusia County Sheriff Ben Johnson said. "You don't want anyone getting hurt and you want to put on a good show. No one was hurt, scratched up a little bit."

The annual charity fundraising event begins at the New Smyrna Beach Speedway Saturday at 7:30 p.m.

[PyroChamber]

I guess coming back to USA means coming back to old storylines involving McMahons. I liked the Carlito's Cabana segment and Cena rapping again; but I really wanted to go throw my TV against the wall during the last segment with JR.

[Hunter Rider]

I guess coming back to USA means coming back to old storylines involving McMahons. I liked the Carlito's Cabana segment and Cena rapping again; butI really wanted to go throw my TV against the wall during the last segment with JR.

The Cabbana segment was good except Cena's rap was lame,the gay jokes are tired he needs to use more imagination

[punishermax]

Yeah Cena said something about sucking....ummmm....something.

[Hunter Rider]

At Survivor series, the following will be the teams for the RAW vs. SmackDown! match:

Team RAW: HBK (Leader), Carlito, Masters, Big Show

Team SmackDown!: JBL (Leader), Mysterio, Benoit, & Christian


And the hits keep on coming,they knock it down to 4 man teams and drop Benjamin and Kennedy:rolleyes: :down

[Matt Murdock]

I was disgusted at Raw last night.The McMahon era happens again.I'm not putting up with this crap again.I'm the new TNA mark.:o


SeriouslyIt's like they're trying to copy everything they did the first time they were on USA with a few new faces.I hate it.:mad:

[Eric Draven]

I guess coming back to USA means coming back to old storylines involving McMahons. I liked the Carlito's Cabana segment and Cena rapping again; but I really wanted to go throw my TV against the wall during the last segment with JR.

Besides the McMahon bookends, the rest of Raw wasn't that bad. The women's title match was pretty watchable, and they got a great addition in Alexis Laree. The Carlito's Cabana segment was pretty entertaining, as was the 8-man tag, even that Rob Conway-Doink match was good because it helped to set up Conways feud with Eugene.

It's just all the McMahon bull**** that bothers me. I honestly would rather settle with seeing Triple H dominating the main event than seeing Vince, Shane, Stephony, and Linda just taking up tv time.

[3dman27]

maybe we could get a lilian stephanie ?feud

[The Ghoul]

The women's title match was pretty watchable, and they got a great addition in Alexis Laree.

Raw to me was pretty bad. Alexis Laree was my favorite segment.(There, I said it. I was more entertained by the divas without thinking about tits... that much.) She has been my favorite female wrestler for a few years, now. I'm a little upset they made her change her name. I would've imagined that Alexis Laree was famous enough that they did need a lame & also recyled story (The introduction of Tori was as Sables stalker, kind of the same.)I like the fact it's her real name, though. For some reason I like it when wrestlers use their real names.

[Hunter Rider]

Raw to me was pretty bad. Alexis Laree was my favorite segment.(There, I said it. I was more entertained by the divas without thinking about tits... that much.) She has been my favorite female wrestler for a few years, now. I'm a little upset they made her change her name. I would've imagined that Alexis Laree was famous enough that they did need a lame & also recyled story (The introduction of Tori was as Sables stalker, kind of the same.)I like the fact it's her real name, though. For some reason I like it when wrestlers use their real names.
funny you should mention that about Tori as Sable's stalker,it seems redoing 98/99 angles is what RAw is all about

[Twitch]

My review of Raw

Begining: Ugh :down

Carlito's Cabbana: Pretty good

Triple H promo backstage: good, in the ring: bad

Ending: Godammit do they have any respect for JR's condition? :mad::down The only Mcmahon I want to see for 20+ mins is Shane. :o

BTW anybody looking forward to Kane's return?

[Eric Draven]

Carlito's Cabana just rocked. They had the six best guys on Raw in one segment. And this is probably the reason why I like Carlito so much: His response to Edge being number 1 contender "We all have two things in common: one, none of us like you. And two, everybody knows that Carlito should be the number one contender" :D

[Hunter Rider]

Triple H promo backstage: good, in the ring: bad

I thought HHH cut a classic Phsycological promo



BTW anybody looking forward to Kane's return?

Not really,i got bored of him years ago

[NDX]

I thought HHH cut a classic Phsycological promo

I liked it, but classic, I'd say no. It still felt like he was missing something when addressing the audience. Just felt off.

[Twitch]

Carlito's Cabana just rocked. They had the six best guys on Raw in one segment. And this is probably the reason why I like Carlito so much: His response to Edge being number 1 contender "We all have two things in common: one, none of us like you. And two, everybody knows that Carlito should be the number one contender" :D

I personally see Carlito as the next gen's Christian in terms of mic ability :up:. Now if he was allowed to show some wresstling ablity....

[Hunter Rider]

I liked it, but classic, I'd say no. It still felt like he was missing something when addressing the audience. Just felt off.


gotta disagree,He certainly got plenty of heat and his motivation for why he attacked Flair was a lot better than i thought it was gonna be

[Eric Draven]

I personally see Carlito as the next gen's Christian in terms of mic ability :up:. Now if he was allowed to show some wresstling ablity....

He has shown that he could work a good match if allowed. But right now, they're trying to go with what works best with him and that's talking on the mic :up:

[Twitch]

I thought HHH cut a classic Phsycological promo


Something about him just made me feel annoyed at him :confused:

[NDX]

I prefer seeing Carlito in the spotlight. I really like watching the guy, and think he can be a great wrestler one day, just not yet. Notice, however, Carlito is still in the main event spotlight while Masters was dropped down to a program with Tajiri. Such a waste of Tajiri's talent.

[Hunter Rider]

Something about him just made me feel annoyed at him :confused:

He's a heel,thats the point :D

[NDX]

gotta disagree,He certainly got plenty of heat and his motivation for why he attacked Flair was a lot better than i thought it was gonna be

I liked the motivation, but I felt his character was flat and repetative. It was not fun to watch. Just took time away from some in ring wrestling.

Looks like Raw is going back to it's talk show ways and ignoring the whole action aspect of wrestling.

[Twitch]

He's a heel,thats the point :D


....Oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh right :confused: :o

[Hunter Rider]

I liked the motivation, but I felt his character was flat and repetative. It was not fun to watch. Just took time away from some in ring wrestling.

Looks like Raw is going back to it's talk show ways and ignoring the whole action aspect of wrestling.

I honestly thought his promo was as agressive and mean spirited as it needed to be,as for in ring time,it's barely worth it with the soft ass style there all using now

[NDX]

...it's barely worth it with the soft ass style there all using now

So I'm the only one who likes seeing this style of wrestling and not everything highspot after highspot after hard bump?

[The Black Mask]

i watched WWE for the first time in months on monday.

[Hunter Rider]

So I'm the only one who likes seeing this style of wrestling and not everything highspot after highspot after hard bump?

Im not a high spot guy in particular,as i said i loved the more mat based approach to the Iron Man match that HBK/Angle did but i would like to see some more agression in the ring,banning top rope moves and piledrivers is lame IMO
I also feel a card works better if it has variety,like TNA's appear to have with a mix of harcore,high flying high spot matches and the physical ground based matches

[The Ghoul]

I liked HHH's promo. Backstage crap aside I think HHH is one of the very best. I have been a reluctant mark for H since the original D-generation X. By reluctant I mean I want to hate him for being a glory & title hogging prick... but I can't. He's really is just that damn good.

while we're on the subject, name the top 5 guys you'r still marks for.

5. HHH
4. Raven
3. Terry Funk
2. The Undertaker
1. Mick Foley

[Jason Blood]

Did anyone else sign up for the WWE Fantasy Salary Cap game?

I'll post my team up tomorrow after I pick my final member

[The Ghoul]

Did anyone else sign up for the WWE Fantasy Salary Cap game?

I'll post my team up tomorrow after I pick my final member

I can't join because I am from Florida & the smart business men failed to realise that if I won they wouldn't have to pay for hotel or flight accomadations. thus saving money. ahh well next season

[NDX]

Im not a high spot guy in particular,as i said i loved the more mat based approach to the Iron Man match that HBK/Angle did but i would like to see some more agression in the ring,banning top rope moves and piledrivers is lame IMO
I also feel a card works better if it has variety,like TNA's appear to have with a mix of harcore,high flying high spot matches and the physical ground based matches

I definately agree banning moves is a step backwards, and variety would be nice. But it can also be said that TNA puts too much attention into their X Division. As fun as it is to watch (especially live, damn seeing Christpher Daniels and Sonjay Dutt go at it was great) but it gets to be too much. I would rather see a stiff match with good progression for 20 minutes than just hopping on and off ringropes for 10 minutes.

[Hunter Rider]

I definately agree banning moves is a step backwards, and variety would be nice. But it can also be said that TNA puts too much attention into their X Division. As fun as it is to watch (especially live, damn seeing Christpher Daniels and Sonjay Dutt go at it was great) but it gets to be too much. I would rather see a stiff match with good progression for 20 minutes than just hopping on and off ringropes for 10 minutes.

Well i havent seen a lot of TNA so i can't really comment to much but yes high spot matches in the X division are there bread and butter ,however looking at the Bound For Glory PPV they have a nice mix of Mat,Hardcore,Stiff and High flying matches
That was what was so crap about No Mercy,the matches were all bland soft style with no build up and progression

[The Ghoul]

I love scientific mat based wrestling. But that's always going to be ther. It won't die from other styles having it's moment in the sun. When there was wrasslin, you still had the mat guys like Ric Flair. then when it became hardcore. you still had mat guys getting getting huge like Benoit & Guerrero. also during the hardcore faze came lucha libre & high spot matches. Now the focus is shifting towards that & you still have people like Samoa Joe & pretty soon Charlie Haas who are sctrictly summision mat wrestlers. Giving a style some light won't erase tradition.

[TheVileOne]

I definately agree banning moves is a step backwards, and variety would be nice. But it can also be said that TNA puts too much attention into their X Division. As fun as it is to watch (especially live, damn seeing Christpher Daniels and Sonjay Dutt go at it was great) but it gets to be too much. I would rather see a stiff match with good progression for 20 minutes than just hopping on and off ringropes for 10 minutes.

You obviously haven't watched enough of the X division, because that's NOT what the X Division is. Samoa Joe is NOT a high flyer, but he's now a premiere X division wrestler.

X division is about showcasing all different styles and types of wrestling. Be it high-flying (Sonjay Dutt), MMA (Samoa Joe), submission (Alex Shelley), mat-technician (Daniels), but also the stylings of Japan, luche-libre, and indy wrestling. They are about having fast-paced and exciting matches that we haven't seen in the US in a while. And most of the wrestlers are well-rounded in multiple-styles. They are very much hybrid-style workers.

[sikkbones]

jeff jarrett is a closet homosexual.

[The Ghoul]

You obviously haven't watched enough of the X division, because that's NOT what the X Division is. Samoa Joe is NOT a high flyer, but he's now a premiere X division wrestler.

X division is about showcasing all different styles and types of wrestling. Be it high-flying (Sonjay Dutt), MMA (Samoa Joe), submission (Alex Shelley), mat-technician (Daniels), but also the stylings of Japan, luche-libre, and indy wrestling. They are about having fast-paced and exciting matches that we haven't seen in the US in a while. And most of the wrestlers are well-rounded in multiple-styles. They are very much hybrid-style workers.

:up: I couldn't have said it better myself. That's what drew me to the X-Division. It wasn't just seeing different styles in itself, but different styles going at it with other totally styles.

jeff jarrett is a closet homosexual.

So I'm not the only one who noticed how gay country singer his street clothes are.

[GLfan]

If everyone was pissed back stage why the hell didn't they go out and try to help Flair, they're the real cowards.

TNA is awesome, all wrestling no drama and it was good to see the Duddley's again, or sorry team 3D!

[White_Howling]

My review of Raw

Begining: Ugh :down

Carlito's Cabbana: Pretty good

Triple H promo backstage: good, in the ring: bad

Ending: Godammit do they have any respect for JR's condition? :mad::down The only Mcmahon I want to see for 20+ mins is Shane. :o

BTW anybody looking forward to Kane's return?


I'm looking forward to kanes return... well i hopoe he has a new costume

[Eklypze]

anyone know where i can find a clip of the canadian destroyer????

[3dman27]

If everyone was pissed back stage why the hell didn't they go out and try to help Flair, they're the real cowards.

TNA is awesome, all wrestling no drama and it was good to see the Duddley's again, or sorry team 3D!
you were right the FIRSTtime

[Hunter Rider]

The following is from MMAWeekly.com, a major UFC source:

You've more than likely heard the story by now. Vince McMahon offered a huge announcing contract to Mike Goldberg, who has been the UFC's play-by-play man for many years. The multi-year WWE contract that was offered to Goldberg had a total value of more than $1 million over the life of the contract, and it was offered to Goldberg partially as an attempt by WWE to hurt the UFC, and partially because WWE already planned to fire its own long-time play-by-play man, Jim Ross, due to the fact that Ross has Bell's Palsy and is not as physically "attractive" as WWE would like. Goldberg seriously considered WWE's offer, before ultimately re-signing with the UFC.

However, there is more to the story, and these additional details shine a bright light on just how dirty Vince McMahon's business tactics can be when he thinks of himself as being "at war" with another organization. Vince McMahon's original plan was to secretly sign Mike Goldberg before the WWE vs. UFC showdown on October 3rd, and then have Mike Goldberg no-show the UFC event without notice, according to a report by the Wrestling Observer.

If McMahon's plan had gone as he hoped, the UFC would not have heard from Mike Goldberg at all on October 3rd, and would not even have known where he was. Goldberg would have no-showed the UFC event, and Zuffa would have found out that Goldberg had signed with WWE by seeing him appear on live television as the lead announcer of WWE Raw on USA Network that same night.

By doing this, Vince McMahon would have not only signed Mike Goldberg away from the UFC, but he would have left the UFC with literally zero notice to find someone to do play-by-play on the UFC's live broadcast on Spike TV. And while this detail wasn't part of the Observer's report, sources tell MMAWeekly that WWE was ready and willing to pay Mike Goldberg a one-time bonus in the high five-figures (possibly even as much as $100,000) simply for the act of no-showing the UFC event without notice in order to sign with WWE.

So, why didn't the double-cross take place as Vince McMahon wanted it to? Quite simply, because not everyone thinks like Vince McMahon does, and Mike Goldberg is a decent human being who wouldn't do something like that. As the Observer reported, "The only reason it didn't go down as planned by McMahon is because Goldberg was professional enough to refuse to no-show the UFC event."

Not only did Goldberg refuse to double-cross the UFC by no-showing the October 3rd event without notice, but when he arrived in Las Vegas for the UFC event on October 3rd, he told Zuffa about the double-cross offer that had been made by WWE.

At that point, with Goldberg fulfilling his play-by-play duties on the UFC's October 3rd Spike TV show, while also missing the October 7th UFC pay-per-view because of a previous committment, Goldberg would spend much of the next week trying to decide whether he was going to sign with WWE or re-sign with the UFC, and he eventually decided to re-sign with the UFC.

Promotional tactics like this are nothing new from Vince McMahon, as numerous pro wrestling promoters from the 1980's and 1990's could tell you. When McMahon views himself as being in competition with an organization, he will do anything to hurt that organization. The Observer report on McMahon's offer to Mike Goldberg stated that WWE deemed it to be extremely important to "send a message to its competitors and get the paranoid mind games advantage."

The Observer also reported that despite Vince McMahon's long history of doing these kinds of things, Zuffa was completely naive about it and didn't think such a thing could happen to them. The Observer reports that the whole experience with the Goldberg double-cross offer from WWE was "a major eye-opening for the UFC, as those in the company had largely believed it was bullet-proof from McMahon's direct business attacks because of the difference in the product."

In reality, if Vince McMahon thinks he's at war with you, then he's at war with you, regardless of whether you're running a pro wrestling company or an MMA company. Further evidence of WWE aggressively going after the UFC was the fact that the "WWE Homecoming" special re-aired on USA Network last Friday night at 10:00 PM, not-so-coincidentally head-to-head with the UFC's pay-per-view.

In the process of finding someone to do play-by-play for the October 7th UFC show, Zuffa kept Craig Hummer's name very quiet because it was widely believed in both the pro wrestling and MMA industries that WWE would have offered Hummer a very large amount of money (likely well into five-figures) not even to work for WWE, but simply to no-show the UFC's pay-per-view without notice. Hummer did the UFC pay-per-view as scheduled on Friday night, so either WWE couldn't get in touch with him on Friday, or they did get in touch with him but he turned down their offer.

MMAWeekly.com also just posted an interview with Goldberg. Here are some comments:

"They contacted me through a talent agency six weeks ago?" Goldberg told MMAWeekly.com. "I got the message through my agent, that they had a great interest in me and I've always heard they were a great organization so they were interested in talking to me and I was interested in hearing what they had to say."

"I was skeptical leaving everything I've done for years, meaning the UFC and my sports broadcasting background with Fox Sports Network. I was not really skeptical of the WWE though. They treated me with great class through the whole thing. They are the best at what they do which is sports entertainment. I believe the UFC is the best at what they do and that's Mixed Martial Arts. What I was originally hopeful for was that I could still have a role with F.S.N and the UFC and begin a role with the WWE. I wanted to see what my other employers would say about working for both companies, because at the time the WWE was still with Spike TV, as was the UFC. When it got latter in the process I found out I would have to leave my other things and make a decision one way or another." Goldberg said.

So after a six week negotiation period with the WWE, Goldberg verbally accepted a deal with the WWE. "We agreed to financial terms at one point, but we still had to work some things out contract wise. I never signed anything however. If I signed a contract I would have been with them. That's how I do business. If I sign something I stand by it."

[White_Howling]

just seen the goldberg match.. the one he had in japan....pretty boring..

but i liked the way they kept calling him a monster in japanese

[newavengers12]

what bout AJ Styles??? is isn't he the best?

[newavengers12]

the fallen angel

[newavengers12]

TNA is better than WWE in every aspect, simply out of their league.

[punishermax]

TNA is better than WWE in every aspect, simply out of their league.

In terms of wrestling, yes, as for marketing, production, absolutely not.

[punishermax]

the fallen angel

And what was the point of this?

[NDX]

Found this on www.wrestlingattitude.com:

From WWE.com:

Earlier today, Jim Ross has been hospitalized to undergo colon surgery. WWE.com will keep you posted if we get any more information.

[Bad Superman]

Found this on www.wrestlingattitude.com:

Quote:
From WWE.com:

Earlier today, Jim Ross has been hospitalized to undergo colon surgery. WWE.com will keep you posted if we get any more information.


IMO that sounds like a pathetic attempt for damage control. I hope JR doesn't re-sign any contract. I will miss him as a commentator, but he's better off without the Mc Mahons. After 13+ years in the company, they've treated him like garbage.

[TheVileOne]

Guys seriously, don't take this situation too seriously. Its all a work.

I doubt Jim Ross is that upset about it. Maybe he wanted to start being phased out of the announce team.

[NDX]

I know he wanted to lighten his work load, from what I've read, but it does leave a sour taste in your mouth about how they removed him from the program. I can understand having him just say "This is my lasy program, thank you," rather than "YER FIRED! (Kick to the Balls)."

But I am looking forward to seeing how Coach and King can handle the program on their own. Coach has, in my opinion, become a better announcer since joining the team making it a trio.

[TheVileOne]

I know he wanted to lighten his work load, from what I've read, but it does leave a sour taste in your mouth about how they removed him from the program. I can understand having him just say "This is my lasy program, thank you," rather than "YER FIRED! (Kick to the Balls)."

Dude, its WWE. Its Vince McMahon. And its SPORTS ENTERTAINMENT. They don't know anything about classy exits.

[NDX]

Following my previous post about JR:

From WWE.com:

Earlier today, Jim Ross underwent a medical procedure to his colon in hopes of alleviating pain he has been enduring for several weeks.

“They found something massive in my intestines,” said J.R. in a phone conversation with WWE.com. “They don’t know what it is, but they will have to cut out part of my intestines.”

Ross’ surgery is scheduled to take place next week in Oklahoma. As a result, he will be hospitalized for three to five days. WWE.com will have more information on J.R. as it becomes available.

[SLYspyder]

I've never seen so many ****in whiny *****es before in my life. It's like some of you tune into RAW each week just so you could twist anything that doesn't go YOUR way into a WWE bash. why don't you go write for the ****in show if you're so damn good?! i can't help but get angry when i read what idiots like "bad superman" are spewing in this thread, "Death of WWE, R.I.P." constant ****in bashing, incessant. the whiners are way WAY louder than the majority who actually enjoy the show, and it annoys the hell out of me.



first and foremost. JR is overrated as an announcer, I think Cole is just about as good as he is. And JR is more than a freakin announcer, he's one of the directors backstage. you guys are going to whine because he's doing less and getting paid the same?!

He was the one who AGREED to get "fired"/"humiliated" in the ring that way. Just like he AGREED to be in that match with HHH. Vince is not making he do anything in the ring against his will. If anyone of you idiots who were against it think you can actually get humiliated in a WWE ring, you've got problems. Hell, he probably got an extra bonus because it made good tv.



vince wants a more photogenic commentator, whats the big ****in deal? it IS tv after all, not a damn radio. if he feels the company is going to be more successful with a different announcer, what's the damn problem? just because JR's had the damn job for so long doesn't mean he's the best at it and he was going to have it forever. things change. WWE can't be successful without a fan following, WWE has to please MOST of us, if they don't, they'll be out of business, so why anyone would think Vince does what he does for the hell of it is beyond me.



Vince is trying to keep the WWE on top, if it means signing a UFC commentator so be it. It's not personal, he didn't wake up one morning and want to sign Goldberg just for the hell of it. It's a business decision, and if you were a wise business man, you'd take action now before 10 or 15 yrs pass and UFC/TNA actually become a threat.



Just for the record, I thoroughly enjoyed last monday's RAW, it was an awesome follow-up to homecoming. Carlito's cabana was great, it was nice seeing Cena actually rap again, and no, it's not getting "lame and old" when he makes a crack about a wrestler sucking on nuts. The diva segment was good and I can't wait to see Mickie vs. Victoria. HHH backstage was nice, the exchange between him and Cena was great, and I can't wait to see what'll happen when the wrestle, his in ring promo was alright. Stephanie's promo was really entertaining, the audience ate it all up, looks like she's learning alot from HHH.



And about the McMahon's getting tv time, it's their ****in company for goodness sake! they can get all the tv time they want. They wouldn't do it if they didn't think the fans got a kick out of it. if they enjoyed being on tv so much, they'd be on each wrestling show all year round, but that's definitely not the case.

[Hunter Rider]

I've never seen so many ****in whiny *****es before in my life. It's like some of you tune into RAW each week just so you could twist anything that doesn't go YOUR way into a WWE bash. why don't you go write for the ****in show if you're so damn good?! i can't help but get angry when i read what idiots like "bad superman" are spewing in this thread, "Death of WWE, R.I.P." constant ****in bashing, incessant. the whiners are way WAY louder than the majority who actually enjoy the show, and it annoys the hell out of me.



first and foremost. JR is overrated as an announcer, I think Cole is just about as good as he is and JR is more than a freakin announcer, he's one of the directors backstage.

He was the one who AGREED to get "fired"/"humiliated" in the ring that way. Just like he AGREED to be in that match with HHH. Vince is not making he do anything in the ring against his will. If anyone of you idiots who were against it think you can actually get humiliated in a WWE ring, you've got problems. Hell, he probably got an extra bonus because it made good tv.



vince wants a more photogenic commentator, whats the big ****in deal? it IS tv after all, not a damn radio. if he feels the company is going to be more successful with a different announcer, what's the damn problem? just because JR's had the damn job for so long doesn't mean he's the best at it and he was going to have it forever. things change. WWE can't be successful without a fan following, WWE has to please MOST of us, if they don't, they'll be out of business, so why anyone would think Vince does what he does for the hell of it is beyond me.



Vince is trying to keep the WWE on top, if it means signing a UFC commentator so be it. It's not personal, he didn't wake up one morning and want to sign Goldberg just for the hell of it. It's a business decision, and if you were a wise business man, you'd take action now before 10 or 15 yrs pass and UFC/TNA actually become a threat.



Just for the record, I thoroughly enjoyed last monday's RAW, it was an awesome follow-up to homecoming. Carlito's cabana was great, it was nice seeing Cena actually rap again, and no, it's not getting "lame and old" when he makes a crack about a wrestler sucking on nuts. The diva segment was good and I can't wait to see Mickie vs. Victoria. HHH backstage was nice, the exchange between him and Cena was great, and I can't wait to see what'll when the wrestle, his in the ring was alright. Stephanie's promo was really entertaining, the audience ate it all up, looks like she's learning alot from HHH.



And about the McMahon's getting tv time, it's their ****in company for goodness sake! they can get all the tv time they want. They wouldn't do it if they didn't think the fans got a kick out of it. if they enjoyed being on tv so much, they'd be on each wrestle show all year round, but that's definitely not the case.
Shane Mcmahon posts here:eek: cos no one else would seriously have written that:o

[SLYspyder]

Shane Mcmahon posts here:eek: cos no one else would seriously have written that:o

i'm not suprised, especially coming from anti-WWE person like yourself. Mr. TNA himself, VileOne, is actually the voice of reason this time around.

[Hunter Rider]

I've never seen so many ****in whiny *****es before in my life. It's like some of you tune into RAW each week just so you could twist anything that doesn't go YOUR way into a WWE bash. why don't you go write for the ****in show if you're so damn good?! i can't help but get angry when i read what idiots like "bad superman" are spewing in this thread, "Death of WWE, R.I.P." constant ****in bashing, incessant. the whiners are way WAY louder than the majority who actually enjoy the show, and it annoys the hell out of me.

Tough thats life deal with it



first and foremost. JR is overrated as an announcer, I think Cole is just about as good as he is and JR is more than a freakin announcer, he's one of the directors backstage.

Wrong

He was the one who AGREED to get "fired"/"humiliated" in the ring that way. Just like he AGREED to be in that match with HHH. Vince is not making he do anything in the ring against his will. If anyone of you idiots who were against it think you can actually get humiliated in a WWE ring, you've got problems. Hell, he probably got an extra bonus because it made good tv.

LMAO are you serious when Vince owns you he makes your life choices



vince wants a more photogenic commentator, whats the big ****in deal? it IS tv after all, not a damn radio. if he feels the company is going to be more successful with a different announcer, what's the damn problem? just because JR's had the damn job for so long doesn't mean he's the best at it and he was going to have it forever. things change. WWE can't be successful without a fan following, WWE has to please MOST of us, if they don't, they'll be out of business, so why anyone would think Vince does what he does for the hell of it is beyond me.

Vince is an asswipe and if you'd followed WWE for long enough you would know that and Vince does a lot of things purely for his own Ego



Vince is trying to keep the WWE on top, if it means signing a UFC commentator so be it. It's not personal, he didn't wake up one morning and want to sign Goldberg just for the hell of it. It's a business decision, and if you were a wise business man, you'd take action now before 10 or 15 yrs pass and UFC/TNA actually become a threat.
How about he does it with some class,and he alreayd has Joey styles there,he did it for the simple reason he is a scumbag and wanted to damage UFC



Just for the record, I thoroughly enjoyed last monday's RAW, it was an awesome follow-up to homecoming. Carlito's cabana was great, it was nice seeing Cena actually rap again, and no, it's not getting "lame and old" when he makes a crack about a wrestler sucking on nuts. The diva segment was good and I can't wait to see Mickie vs. Victoria. HHH backstage was nice, the exchange between him and Cena was great, and I can't wait to see what'll when the wrestle, his in the ring was alright. Stephanie's promo was really entertaining, the audience ate it all up, looks like she's learning alot from HHH.
I guess you want the World Talking Federation as thats all RAW was and as for Cena,if you think using the same tired Gay joke is funny you must be 11 years old




And about the McMahon's getting tv time, it's their ****in company for goodness sake! they can get all the tv time they want. They wouldn't do it if they didn't think the fans got a kick out of it. if they enjoyed being on tv so much, they'd be on each wrestle show all year round, but that's definitely not the case.


Try and get it through your head.The Mcmahons do what they do for their own personal Ego masterbation

[Hunter Rider]

i'm not suprised, especially coming from anti-WWE person like yourself

Kid i was watching WWE before you even new what it was and i am not anti-WWE im pro good wrestling and what WWE is now is a purile circus for infants

[SLYspyder]

Tough thats life deal with it





Wrong



LMAO are you serious when Vince owns you he makes your life choices





Vince is an asswipe and if you'd followed WWE for long enough you would know that and Vince does a lot of things purely for his own Ego




How about he does it with some class,and he alreayd has Joey styles there,he did it for the simple reason he is a scumbag and wanted to damage UFC




I guess you want the World Talking Federation as thats all RAW was and as for Cena,if you think using the same tired Gay joke is funny you must 11 years old





Try and get it through your head.The Mcmahons do what they do for their own personal Ego masterbation

very impressive post that makes absolute no sense. if he did things just because of his own ego, the WWE would've been dead and buried long ago.

[Hunter Rider]

very impressive post that makes absolute no sense. if he did things just because of his own ego, the WWE would've been dead and buried long ago.

He was almost bankrupt in 96 due to his stupid ideas and if you honestly believe he does everything for good buissness you are nuts,he has an ego as big as a house

[SLYspyder]

Kid i was watching WWE before you even new what it was and i am not anti-WWE im pro good wrestling and what WWE is now is a purile circus for infants

well, Sir, this is the new generation, get used to it, or stop watching the WWE.

[Hunter Rider]

well, Sir, this is the new generation, get used to it, or stop watching the WWE.
A New generation ? ,it's like pussyville compared to The Austin 3;16 era
Sounds like all you want is a whole load of promos from non wrestlers

as for your "New generation" they don't have a star that can draw any money or don't you follow the PPV buyrates that are sinking fast ?
The only good buyrate in 6 months was SS and they needed a 39 year old legend and a guy in his 50's who is 3 generations ago to draw the money

[SLYspyder]

He was almost bankrupt in 96 due to his stupid ideas and if you honestly believe he does everything for good buissness you are nuts,he has an ego as big as a house

yes, and i suppose him stroking/catering to that huge ego is what brings in all the dough, what a great business plan!

[Hunter Rider]

yes, and i suppose him stroking/catering to that huge ego is what brings in all the dough, what a great business plan!

The show is sinking or don't you read the ratings and PPV buyrates ? ,and are you such a sheep that you basically just lap anything he throws out there ? so it makes money it is good ? wow what a way to think

[SLYspyder]

A New generation ? ,it's like pussyville compared to The Austin 3;16 era
Sounds like all you want is a whole load of promos from non wrestlers

as for your "New generation" they don't have a star that can draw any money or don't you follow the PPV buyrates that are sinking fast ?
The only good buyrate in 6 months was SS and they needed a 39 year old legend and a guy in his 50's who is 3 generations ago to draw the money

well, why won't PPV buyrates go down when you have internet sites out there charging $3.00 a month for alot of PPVs? it doesn't take a genius to figure out that's better than paying $50/month for ONE PPV. noone ever takes technology into account when they bring up these numbers.

[Hunter Rider]

well, why won't PPV buyrates go down when you have internet sites out there charging $3.00 a month for alot of PPVs? it doesn't take a genius to figure out that's better than paying $50/month for ONE PPV. noone ever takes technology into account when they bring up these numbers.

The buyrates are down cos the current stars are mediocre and the shows are crap,it proved it when Hogan and Michaels drew the money they drew

[SLYspyder]

The show is sinking or don't you read the ratings and PPV buyrates ? ,and are you such a sheep that you basically just lap anything he throws out there ? so it makes money it is good ? wow what a way to think

no, but at the same time, i don't tune into shows every week expecting the BEST each time, you're going to have awesome seasons/episodes, and you're going to have average seasons/episodes. and what do i hear every week? I hear how RAW sucks and wasn't as good as the late 90's or whatever, you can't compare a show to how good it was at it's peak all the time,.

[SLYspyder]

The buyrates are down cos the current stars are mediocre and the shows are crap,it proved it when Hogan and Michaels drew the money they drew

well like i said, the money michaels and hogan drew would've been way way higher if not for bootleggers

[Hunter Rider]

no, but at the same time, i don't tune into shows every week expecting the BEST each time, you're going to have awesome seasons/episodes, and you're going to have average seasons/episodes. and what do i hear every week? I hear how RAW sucks and wasn't as good as the late 90's or whatever, you can't compare a show to how good it was at it's peak all the time,.

The show currently has guys that it could use better and promote better,if you looked at it objectively many of the best wrestlers in the company are sidelined cos their face doesn't fit or cos there not kissing the right ass,plus the company is stretched across 2 shows and there isnt enough talent for that
The answer is to merge the shows and give the talent a push,the answer isnt for three ppl who arent wrestlers to hog the bulk of the show talking,
How can guys like Benjamin get over if they can't even get on the show cos Mcmahon is taking up most of the time ?

[Hunter Rider]

well like i said, the money michaels and hogan drew would've been way way higher if not for bootleggers

I doubt it,that buyrate is right up there with the best buyrates WWE has done and the fact is it is miles ahead of the shows headlined by Batista and Cena which shows they arent drawing at all

here's a little figure for you

SS-500,360 buys
Unforgiven-220 00 buys

You cant tell me that it is bootleggers that caused Cena's PPV to be over half the buyrate less than SS

Plus do you really think SS was good ? to have a man in Hogan who can barely walk and who can't perform in the ring take the limelight away from Guys like Cena and Eddie and Benoit ?

[SLYspyder]

The show currently has guys that it could use better and promote better,if you looked at it objectively many of the best wrestlers in the company are sidelined cos their face doesn't fit or cos there not kissing the right ass,plus the company is stretched across 2 shows and there isnt enough talent for that
The answer is to merge the shows and give the talent a push,the answer isnt for three ppl who arent wrestlers to hog the bulk of the show talking,
How can guys like Benjamin get over if they can't even get on the show cos Mcmahon is taking up most of the time ?

see? this is exactly what i'm talking about. another guy who thinks he should be a WWE writer. he even has an "answer" to all of WWE's problems, you seriously should apply for a job with the WWE.

quite frankly, it's up to the wrestler themselves, they need to make the most of whatever opportunity they get and prove they are stars. with all the talents they have, they can only spend so much time pushing someone before they move unto someone else.
cena for example, HHH hates him, but whatdya know? he was the champion on smackdown and now is on RAW.

[SLYspyder]

I doubt it,that buyrate is right up there with the best buyrates WWE has done and the fact is it is miles ahead of the shows headlined by Batista and Cena which shows they arent drawing at all

here's a little figure for you

SS-500,360 buys
Unforgiven-220 00 buys

You cant tell me that it is bootleggers that caused Cena's PPV to be over half the buyrate less than SS

Plus do you really think SS was good ? to have a man in Hogan who can barely walk and who can't perform in the ring take the limelight away from Guys like Cena and Eddie and Benoit ?

who knows? it could've been THE best buyrate ever, but the number can't be ever certain because of bootleggers, all we know is that it was higher than normal.

[Hunter Rider]

see? this is exactly what i'm talking about. another guy who thinks he should be a WWE writer. he even has an "answer" to all of WWE's problems, you seriously should apply for a job with the WWE.

quite frankly, it's up to the wrestler themselves, they need to make the most of whatever opportunity they get and prove they are stars. with all the talents they have, they can only spend so much time pushing someone before they move unto someone else.
cena for example, HHH hates him, but whatdya know? he was the champion on smackdown and now is on RAW.

The guys have never had any oppertunity,WWE pushed Cena not because he is good but because Hip Hop is huge and he can cross over
When was the last time Shelton Benjamin got to cut a promo in the ring for 10 minutes ?
When was the last time Christian who was over massive with the crowd got to win a match out right ?
When was the last time Carlito or Masters had a good match ? the answer is never but they keep getting chance after chance to show it
When was the last time Batista did anything remotely imaginative in the ring ?
Yet he gets pushed cos Vince likes Roiders

[Hunter Rider]

who knows? it could've been THE best buyrate ever, but the number can't be ever certain because of bootleggers, all we know is that it was higher than normal.

The point is that the buyrate is twice what the other PPV's are doing so the fact is the current guys arent drawing

[Hunter Rider]

For a match not at all confirmed, talk of Steve Austin vs. Hulk Hogan at WrestleMania 22 is heating up quite a bit within pro wrestling circles.

Although Hulk Hogan and Vince McMahon want the match to take place, its confirmation rests on the shoulders of the other crucial component. And, having not even been approached about the match, Steve Austin is far from signing on the dotted line.

That is not to say that Steve Austin is deadset against the idea. Correcting its original report, PWTorch.com recently confirmed that Austin was notified about plans for Hulk Hogan to issue a "challenge" on the RAW Homecoming special. On his way out of the arena, RAW's Brian Gewirtz sought the wrestler's permission to shoot the angle; The Rattlesnake gave his blessing. Surely, if Austin was offended by the notion of wrestling Hogan, he would not have wanted the challenge to air.

But, assuming the two do agree to the concept of the match, the road to WrestleMania will be inhibited by a major obstacle.

The Torch reports that sources anticipate a "potentially explosive" political situation over who will win the match. While Hogan's enthusiasm for the bout implies his expectation of a win, Austin's friends say that he does not consider losing an option.

With a contract that requires no in-ring wrestling (Austin and WWE are primarily working on movie and TV projects), WWE would certainly need to make Austin's participation worthwhile.

[punishermax]

who knows? it could've been THE best buyrate ever, but the number can't be ever certain because of bootleggers, all we know is that it was higher than normal.

I find this quite funny, and delusional all at the same time.

[White_Howling]

austins last match was a lost right?

[SLYspyder]

Posted by Hunter Rider:
The guys have never had any oppertunity,WWE pushed Cena not because he is good but because Hip Hop is huge and he can cross over
When was the last time Shelton Benjamin got to cut a promo in the ring for 10 minutes ?
When was the last time Christian who was over massive with the crowd got to win a match out right ?
When was the last time Carlito or Masters had a good match ? the answer is never but they keep getting chance after chance to show it
When was the last time Batista did anything remotely imaginative in the ring ?
Yet he gets pushed cos Vince likes Roiders



Cena was the one that made his Hip Hop gimmick a success, before they really started pushing him, not the WWE.

Shelton Benjamin can't cut a ****in promo, so why the hell should be run his mouth in the ring for 10 min? His gimmick is that he's a great athelete, which he is, he DID have the intercontinental championship for quite a while.

Not everyone can recieve a push at the same time, someone's going to have to lose at sometime.

Carlito and Masters aren't known for great wrestling skills. Carlito is pushed because of his good mic skills and Masters is pushed because his strength, and it's working.

Batista Imaginative? What the hell do you want him to do? Write a poem? Come up with a movie script? Invent a product? he gets pushed because of his strength and he displays that all the time in the ring.



and not everyone that's huge and that defined uses steroids, it's perfectly possible for someone to get that big without the use of steroids.

[Eric Draven]

So on SD this week, Boogeyman finally made his appearance. And the reasoning behind him is not that bad, albeit a tad predictable........

[Colossal Spoons]

I was wondering when Boogeyman would show up. I was beginning to think I was delerious when the teasers aired.

[Eric Draven]

They actually had a pretty ingenious idea behind the teasers. Well, I thought it was interesting, I'm pretty sure the majority of other people will think it's a ****ty idea, not only with the execution but due to a small error in the explanation :o

[NDX]

I'm looking forward to seeing the Boogeyman. Might bring some more fun into the show. I dunno, after seeing Doink on Monday, I'm starting the miss the days of laughable gimmicks. But what was the reasoning behind his gimmick?

[Eric Draven]

I'm looking forward to seeing the Boogeyman. Might bring some more fun into the show. I dunno, after seeing Doink on Monday, I'm starting the miss the days of laughable gimmicks. But what was the reasoning behind his gimmick?

The promos of Boogeyman were actually promos for a new tv show UPN was supposedly gonna show. Then something happened on the set, and the guy playing Boogeyman went cuckoo (or something like that). That tv exec then told Teddy Long that he saw some potential in the Boogeyman and hence, his appearance on SD.

He then had a very ridiculous promo that had Teddy Long, Michael Cole, and Tazz going "What the ****?"

If they continue to play the Boogeyman as just an absolute lunatic that no one takes seriously, it could work out.....

[NDX]

One can hope. Smackdown has been a lot of fun to watch lately.

Also knowing Kid Kash is doing Velocity and The Shane Twins debuting finally is just making the show all the better.

Now, to be able to play those damn webmatches.

[Eric Draven]

Yeah, I agree. They may not have the star power of Raw, but they make it up in some of the matches and some of the new characters they're debuting -Mr. Kennedy, Bobby Lashley, etc.

And it wasn't the Shane twins who debuted on Smackdown this week. I think the Shane twins are supposed to be huge, fat guys. The guys who debuted on Smackdown where short (very short) blonde-haired and pretty ripped.

[The Ghoul]

I actually looking foward to Smackdown now. Who knows? Maybe Boogeyman will be a cult hit that will last a while like the Blue Meanie or Goldust.

[Eric Draven]

Wait until you see the prop Boogeyman used. I swear, you'll piss your pants laughing. The gimmick is so ridiculous, it becomes incredible funny.

[NDX]

And it wasn't the Shane twins who debuted on Smackdown this week. I think the Shane twins are supposed to be huge, fat guys. The guys who debuted on Smackdown where short (very short) blonde-haired and pretty ripped.

I'm only going with what the spoiler I read said.

"The Shane Twins hit the ring and beat up ..."

[Eric Draven]

Yeah, I read somewhere else though that the scooper got it wrong. I always thought the Shane twins were big, fat guys. They were the Johnsons (shudder) in the early TNA days, I think. But then again, it could be the Shane twins for all I know, there really was no mentioning of their names on SD..... :confused:

[NDX]

I would like to see some more average or out of shape or fat wrestlers on the programs again, if they can wrestle. They all don't have to look good if they can wrestle well.

Also a few more women wrestlers would be nice to round out Raw's Women's Title division. Mickie James was definately a breath of fresh air.

[The Techno Bat]

I would like to see some more average or out of shape or fat wrestlers on the programs again, if they can wrestle. They all don't have to look good if they can wrestle well.



then former ROH champion and current TNA wrestler Samoa Joe would be right up your alley... the guy is awesome and it pretty pudgy...

[TheVileOne]

Samoa Joe isn't fat. That's NOT fat on his body. Its muscle. He just don't look like a cut roid-freak because he's NOT a roid-freak.

I found a picture of The Boogeyman from the Weiner board forums. I warn you guys though, its not pretty:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/heygregory/boogeyman.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/heygregory/boogeyman.jpg

[punishermax]

He looks like a retarded version of Darth Maul.

[Hunter Rider]

Cena was the one that made his Hip Hop gimmick a success, before they really started pushing him, not the WWE.

Yes and he's supposed to be a wrestler not a rapper,

Shelton Benjamin can't cut a ****in promo, so why the hell should be run his mouth in the ring for 10 min? His gimmick is that he's a great athelete, which he is, he DID have the intercontinental championship for quite a while.

Shelton has barely had the chance to speak and as far as his IC title run went he was barely used as it would have taken time away from all the talking

Not everyone can recieve a push at the same time, someone's going to have to lose at sometime.

How about they push talent instead of muscles and mouths

Carlito and Masters aren't known for great wrestling skills. Carlito is pushed because of his good mic skills and Masters is pushed because his strength, and it's working.

It's not working,if Carlito was any greener he'd be grass and Masters flat out sucks there is no reason ever to have that waste of time on the show

Batista Imaginative? What the hell do you want him to do? Write a poem? Come up with a movie script? Invent a product? he gets pushed because of his strength and he displays that all the time in the ring.
How about he learns a few moves and how to work ? he does the same three moves in every single match,it was pathetic watching a true great like Eddie carry his cumbersome ass around the ring for 15 minutes at No Mercy




and not everyone that's huge and that defined uses steroids, it's perfectly possible for someone to get that big without the use of steroids

Roids are a common part of wrestling

[3dman27]

The only thing I don't like about JR. He's the one that made the call for the Cruiserweights to tone down their moves. If he goes to TNA, he's gonna do that to the X-Division.i though he did that out of concern for theie safety
:spidey:

[3dman27]

maybe we could get a lilian stephanie ?feud
antbody think this might be possible tho unlikely? :spidey:

[Bad Superman]

I've never seen so many ****in whiny *****es before in my life. It's like some of you tune into RAW each week just so you could twist anything that doesn't go YOUR way into a WWE bash. why don't you go write for the ****in show if you're so damn good?! i can't help but get angry when i read what idiots like "bad superman" are spewing in this thread, "Death of WWE, R.I.P." constant ****in bashing, incessant. the whiners are way WAY louder than the majority who actually enjoy the show, and it annoys the hell out of me.

Well if you like crap, that's your problem. As for your "idiot" comment, it's funny how you need to insult someone to make a point over a show. . . that's pretty pathetic.

At this point anyone could write better storylines for WWE including you. . . . :o

If there are people that don't like the show's direction and have been fans for a long time, such as myself, that's just too bad. We don't conform with a mediocre effort. Can't stand the heat? get out of the way before ranting like a fool.

first and foremost. JR is overrated as an announcer, I think Cole is just about as good as he is. And JR is more than a freakin announcer, he's one of the directors backstage. you guys are going to whine because he's doing less and getting paid the same?!

That is your opinion and comparing Michael Cole with JR is outrageous. Seems you're a little green on wrestling history.


He was the one who AGREED to get "fired"/"humiliated" in the ring that way. Just like he AGREED to be in that match with HHH. Vince is not making he do anything in the ring against his will. If anyone of you idiots who were against it think you can actually get humiliated in a WWE ring, you've got problems. Hell, he probably got an extra bonus because it made good tv.

Actually, he's legally and contractually obligated to do what he's told as an employee. That doesn't leave him much of a choice, does it? Do some homework and check Vince's past history screwing talent over. . . .Montreal Incident anyone? Do some homework before posting nonsense and insulting other fans intelligence. . .

vince wants a more photogenic commentator, whats the big ****in deal? it IS tv after all, not a damn radio. if he feels the company is going to be more successful with a different announcer, what's the damn problem? just because JR's had the damn job for so long doesn't mean he's the best at it and he was going to have it forever. things change. WWE can't be successful without a fan following, WWE has to please MOST of us, if they don't, they'll be out of business, so why anyone would think Vince does what he does for the hell of it is beyond me.

Definitely a green fan.


Vince is trying to keep the WWE on top, if it means signing a UFC commentator so be it. It's not personal, he didn't wake up one morning and want to sign Goldberg just for the hell of it. It's a business decision, and if you were a wise business man, you'd take action now before 10 or 15 yrs pass and UFC/TNA actually become a threat.

And for some strange reason he didn't sign with WWE. . . Could it be because of Vince's working ethics? Read the news kid.


Just for the record, I thoroughly enjoyed last monday's RAW, it was an awesome follow-up to homecoming. Carlito's cabana was great, it was nice seeing Cena actually rap again, and no, it's not getting "lame and old" when he makes a crack about a wrestler sucking on nuts. The diva segment was good and I can't wait to see Mickie vs. Victoria. HHH backstage was nice, the exchange between him and Cena was great, and I can't wait to see what'll happen when the wrestle, his in ring promo was alright. Stephanie's promo was really entertaining, the audience ate it all up, looks like she's learning alot from HHH.

You liked it, fine. Some didn't and have valid reasons for it.

And about the McMahon's getting tv time, it's their ****in company for goodness sake! they can get all the tv time they want. They wouldn't do it if they didn't think the fans got a kick out of it. if they enjoyed being on tv so much, they'd be on each wrestling show all year round, but that's definitely not the case.

And that's what separates wrestling fans from "sports entertainment fans" as yourself.

You got lots to learn kid. Take a deep breath, have a valium and rent some old school tapes and learn.

[Super_Ludacris]

So what's the deal with this JR getting fired angle, Linda gonna be like a heel now


and **** that stupid ass Real wrestling fans from casual fans BS it's stupid. It's pro wrestling people HELLO?!. Yeah I've watched for like 15 years (just the wwf, wcw, ecw and uswa) but come on just flow with the times, **** all that weak ass fanboy ****, it's a fake sport anyways

Peace

[Hunter Rider]

From WZThere will be a commercial that airs during SmackDown! tomorrow night that will advertise RAW this coming Monday. The commercial spot says that a new era will begin this Monday on RAW as all four McMahon's will be there live.

Keep in mind that Shane McMahon did not come out last week which could be a sign of things to come. Nonetheless, The McMahon's are back and are here to stay.


:( :( :(

[Hunter Rider]

So what's the deal with this JR getting fired angle, Linda gonna be like a heel now


and **** that stupid ass Real wrestling fans from casual fans BS it's stupid. It's pro wrestling people HELLO?!. Yeah I've watched for like 15 years (just the wwf, wcw, ecw and uswa) but come on just flow with the times, **** all that weak ass fanboy ****, it's a fake sport anyways

Peace

LOL yes mister rapper:p the point wasn't about real and casual fans it was about having a clue what the buissness is about unless of course you think it should be about not actually having good in ring performers and just having the Mcmhahon family spend the whole show hogging the limelight and talking and bunch or roided up muscle boys stumbling round the ring

[Super_Ludacris]

LOL yes mister rapper:p the point wasn't about real and casual fans it was about having a clue what the buissness is about unless of course you think it should be about not actually having good in ring performers and just having the Mcmhahon family spend the whole show hogging the limelight and talking and bunch or roided up muscle boys stumbling round the ring


But that is the WWF! lol the **** you watching it for then? lol

Nah, you gotta have the whole package. Not just in ring talent, you gotta have charisma. In some cases charisma exceeds skills, that's why Hogan's been smashing it for 20 years and more power to him it works. As far as Mcmahons being there, it's good from a sports entertainment viewpoint, it's just one part of the overall package of the show (like the divas etc) vince was smart to know that people in the 80's and 90's hated him( the big conglomorate from the north dominating a sports entertainment birthed out of independents in the south) and created a persona out of himself and it worked. Obviously any feud inolving him should be the angle for 2 other wrestlers (ie Austin vs. Rock in 98/99 and that whole corportation jump off, good entertaining feud) so you gotta wait and see what his return to tv means. You just never know
I feel you on a few things though, I think if Benoit stepped up a little more with the mic skills he could be where Bret Hart was in the industry even though dude's created his own legacy on in ring skills alone but that dude is booooooooooooooorrrrrring on the mic :o .

[Bad Superman]

LOL yes mister rapper:p the point wasn't about real and casual fans it was about having a clue what the buissness is about unless of course you think it should be about not actually having good in ring performers and just having the Mcmhahon family spend the whole show hogging the limelight and talking and bunch or roided up muscle boys stumbling round the ring

Amen :up:

[Hunter Rider]

But that is the WWF! lol the **** you watching it for then? lol

Nah, you gotta have the whole package. Not just in ring talent, you gotta have charisma. In some cases charisma exceeds skills, that's why Hogan's been smashing it for 20 years and more power to him it works. As far as Mcmahons being there, it's good from a sports entertainment viewpoint, it's just one part of the overall package of the show (like the divas etc) vince was smart to know that people in the 80's and 90's hated him( the big conglomorate from the north dominating a sports entertainment birthed out of independents in the south) and created a persona out of himself and it worked. Obviously any feud inolving him should be the angle for 2 other wrestlers (ie Austin vs. Rock in 98/99 and that whole corportation jump off, good entertaining feud) so you gotta wait and see what his return to tv means. You just never know
I feel you on a few things though, I think if Benoit stepped up a little more with the mic skills he could be where Bret Hart was in the industry even though dude's created his own legacy on in ring skills alone but that dude is booooooooooooooorrrrrring on the mic :o .

The key is balance,This all started cos SLYspider wants to love every single thing about WWE and not have any negative input,if you go back i enjoyed the homecoming show it had a good mix of matches and mic segments but i thought this weeks RAW sucked ,they could have fired JR in segment one and let the 6 Man Tag be the showcase for the Cena/Angle feud
As for Vince coming back the problem is it is done to death,him wanting a corporate champ is an old angle plus to make it worse there all gonna be on the show which means all 4 of them will want to blab and a lot of the actual wrestlers will lose airtime,it only needs one to play the power card not 4 mcmahons

[Super_Ludacris]

The key is balance,This all started cos SLYspider wants to love every single thing about WWE and not have any negative input,if you go back i enjoyed the homecoming show it had a good mix of matches and mic segments but i thought this weeks RAW sucked ,they could have fired JR in segment one and let the 6 Man Tag be the showcase for the Cena/Angle feudAs for Vince coming back the problem is it is done to death,him wanting a corporate champ is an old angle plus to make it worse there all gonna be on the show which means all 4 of them will want to blab and a lot of the actual wrestlers will lose airtime,it only needs one to play the power card not 4 mcmahons


Timing is everything in entertainment and vince milked that segment long enough for fans to hate him like they did 1997-2000 all over again. That was classic "Evil Macmahon", like I said hopefully this will be the basis of a feud between 2 wrestlers or stables with Vinnie Mac at the neucleus (like those 1999 feuds). Segments are key to the WWF (I'll always call it that, **** the Panda!) it's why they allow Triple H to a open show with a 30 minute ramble, Rock to do his thing, Austin, Hogan and have Piper's Pits, Barbershop, Brother Love, King's segment, Y2J and Carlito's thing. Yeah I think the only fault was that no wreslters where involved in the segment and that it was ill timed but to get JR involved they had to wait till he was done commentating for the night. Besides, what other match could they have had in the last 30 mins, it was a wrap for the night

[Hunter Rider]

Timing is everything in entertainment and vince milked that segment long enough for fans to hate him like they did 1997-2000 all over again. That was classic "Evil Macmahon", like I said hopefully this will be the basis of a feud between 2 wrestlers or stables with Vinnie Mac at the neucleus (like those 1999 feuds). Segments are key to the WWF (I'll always call it that, **** the Panda!) it's why they allow Triple H to a open show with a 30 minute ramble, Rock to do his thing, Austin, Hogan and have Piper's Pits, Barbershop, Brother Love, King's segment, Y2J and Carlito's thing. Yeah I think the only fault was that no wreslters where involved in the segment and that it was ill timed but to get JR involved they had to wait till he was done commentating for the night. Besides, what other match could they have had in the last 30 mins, it was a wrap for the night
They could have let the 6 guys have the centre stage for the last 30 minutes and fired JR at the start thus we could have segments of him saying goodbye and ppl wondering if Austin was gonna show up
I still go back to the fact they are now gonna have all 4 of them together that is way to much,it only needs Vince if they must do a re-run of the past

[Super_Ludacris]

They could have let the 6 guys have the centre stage for the last 30 minutes and fired JR at the start thus we could have segments of him saying goodbye and ppl wondering if Austin was gonna show up
I still go back to the fact they are now gonna have all 4 of them together that is way to much,it only needs Vince if they must do a re-run of the past


He's the main commentator, they need him for the whole 2 hour show that's why I understand why they left it at the hand. And having fans wonder for 2 hours if Austin is gonna show AFTER the attack is a little ehhhhhh... cause usually if help comes while someone is getting stomped they hit ring immeadiatley. I aint gonna lie, I was hating vince so much I was hoping to hear that glass break and Steve to come through

[Hunter Rider]

He's the main commentator, they need him for the whole 2 hour show that's why I understand why they left it at the hand. And having fans wonder for 2 hours if Austin is gonna show AFTER the attack is a little ehhhhhh... cause usually if help comes while someone is getting stomped they hit ring immeadiatley. I aint gonna lie, I was hating vince so much I was hoping to hear that glass break and Steve to come through

Well he is on the credits again so i guess he will play some part but it is another bad idea IMO as Austin isnt gonna be able to wrestle so the show will essentially be taken over with a 7 year old angle that wont include any wrestling and i still think the show only needs Vince if they must do it

[Super_Ludacris]

On the credits as a wrestler or creative consultant? (ie Arn Anderson and Kevin Sullivan like)

[Hunter Rider]

On the credits as a wrestler or creative consultant? (ie Arn Anderson and Kevin Sullivan like)

Him doing a stunner is on the opening RAW video along with the rest of the roster

[Eric Draven]

From WZThere will be a commercial that airs during SmackDown! tomorrow night that will advertise RAW this coming Monday. The commercial spot says that a new era will begin this Monday on RAW as all four McMahon's will be there live.

Keep in mind that Shane McMahon did not come out last week which could be a sign of things to come. Nonetheless, The McMahon's are back and are here to stay.


:( :( :(

bah, at least they're not going to be showing up on SD....I hope :(

[Hunter Rider]

After talking to several people within WWE who are close to the situation, PWInsider.com reports that WWE taking Jim Ross off the air and his medical problems are not at all related. WWE did not remove JR from RAW as a way of giving him time of, but rather simply because they want young, fresh faces on the show.

Management was aware that Ross had been very uncomfortable lately and had a doctors appointment coming up, but still booked the angle on RAW anyway. The main feeling within the company right now, both with Ross' allies and those who aren't, is that the McMahons completely disrespected him and also hurt their faith and trust in the people running the company.

There still aren't any confirmed plans for what will happen this Monday on RAW.

[Bad Superman]

After talking to several people within WWE who are close to the situation, PWInsider.com reports that WWE taking Jim Ross off the air and his medical problems are not at all related. WWE did not remove JR from RAW as a way of giving him time of, but rather simply because they want young, fresh faces on the show.

Management was aware that Ross had been very uncomfortable lately and had a doctors appointment coming up, but still booked the angle on RAW anyway. The main feeling within the company right now, both with Ross' allies and those who aren't, is that the McMahons completely disrespected him and also hurt their faith and trust in the people running the company.

There still aren't any confirmed plans for what will happen this Monday on RAW.

I see many guys jumping ship as soon as their contracts are up. It's amazing to see that even those who aren't Ross's allies think the Mc Mahons really screwed up badly how they've handled this situation.

[Hunter Rider]

I see many guys jumping ship as soon as their contracts are up. It's amazing to see that even those who aren't Ross's allies think the Mc Mahons really screwed up badly how they've handled this situation.

Yep,very unusal for lockeroom factions to side together so it just shows how repugnant most ppl found it

[Eric Draven]

I see many guys jumping ship as soon as their contracts are up. It's amazing to see that even those who aren't Ross's allies think the Mc Mahons really screwed up badly how they've handled this situation.

Who's jumped ship after their contracts are up? I really haven't seen many wrestlers actually voluntarily leave the WWE unless they were first released by the company.....:confused:

[sikkbones]

when they find the blockage in J.R.'s Colon it will be revealed as

A.) a massive build up of good oold J.r's barbeque sauce

b. Carlos Colon's head.

[SLYspyder]

And that's what separates wrestling fans from "sports entertainment fans" as yourself.

You got lots to learn kid. Take a deep breath, have a valium and rent some old school tapes and learn.

your last comment pretty much summed it all, WWE isn't just wrestling, it's Sports Entertainment, get with the program

[sikkbones]

your last comment pretty much summed it all, WWE isn't just wrestling, it's Sports Entertainment, get with the program
join wrestlespam for further news on JR's Colon....

http://spamwrestle.proboards21.com/index.cgi?

[Hunter Rider]

your last comment pretty much summed it all, WWE isn't just wrestling, it's Sports Entertainment, get with the program

That is true but there is a need to balance both elements and they arent doing that,its all soap opera and wrestlers with no talent and gimmicks getting big pushes

[SLYspyder]

The main feeling within the company right now, both with Ross' allies and those who aren't, is that the McMahons completely disrespected him and also hurt their faith and trust in the people running the company.

There still aren't any confirmed plans for what will happen this Monday on RAW.

amazing, some guy comes up with a site pwinsider.com, writes articles on how HE feels, then makes it come off like he interviews MOST of the talent/employees backstage everytime, and everyone feeds into the bull****.

pwinsider: so how do you feel about what happened to JR last monday?
janitor: wow, that was ****ed up

pwinsider: well there you have it people, from the mouths of those who work backstage in the WWE, what happened to JR was completely disrespectful and they no longer have faith in the company.

very nicely done. he's a genius.

[sikkbones]

amazing, some guy comes up with a site pwinsider.com, writes articles on how HE feels, then makes it come off like he interviews MOST of the talent/employees backstage everytime, and everyone feeds into the bull****.

pwinsider: so how do you feel about what happened to JR last monday?
janitor: wow, that was ****ed up

pwinsider: well there you have it people, from the mouths of those who work backstage in the WWE, what happened to JR was completely disrespectful and they no longer have faith in the company.

very nicely done. he's a genius.
wrestlespam mocks those people....


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[SLYspyder]

Who's jumped ship after their contracts are up? I really haven't seen many wrestlers actually voluntarily leave the WWE unless they were first released by the company.....:confused:

lmao, thats what id really like to know. WWE is THE company to work for.

[SLYspyder]

wrestlespam mocks those people....


http://spamwrestle.proboards21.com/index.cgi?
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cool, i'll be sure to check it out as soon as I get home from work.

[Hunter Rider]

amazing, some guy comes up with a site pwinsider.com, writes articles on how HE feels, then makes it come off like he interviews MOST of the talent/employees backstage everytime, and everyone feeds into the bull****.

pwinsider: so how do you feel about what happened to JR last monday?
janitor: wow, that was ****ed up

pwinsider: well there you have it people, from the mouths of those who work backstage in the WWE, what happened to JR was completely disrespectful and they no longer have faith in the company.

very nicely done. he's a genius.

Are you getting paid by WWE ? seriously kid the guys that write for PWTorch and PWinsider are respected wrestling journolists and are mentioned in several of the wrestlers biography's they go to the matches and interview the wrestlers

[Twitch]

That is true but there is a need to balance both elements and they arent doing that,its all soap opera and wrestlers with no talent and gimmicks getting big pushes

Carlito is da man :o:(

Serouisly if Shelton cares aboubt being exposed he should head to TNA and fuend with Sabin.

A cocky gimmick like along the lines of the Whole ****ing Show gimmick would wonders for him if done properly :up:

[sikkbones]

cool, i'll be sure to check it out as soon as I get home from work.
we also have a small comics forum as well.

[Eric Draven]

Carlito is da man :o:(

Serouisly if Shelton cares aboubt being exposed he should head to TNA and fuend with Sabin.

A cocky gimmick like along the lines of the Whole ****ing Show gimmick would wonders for him if done properly :up:

For Benjamin? Eh, I'd rather see Benjamin just play off being the best pure athlete. Maybe have him be a bit like Elix Skipper.....

[Hunter Rider]

Carlito is da man :o:(

Serouisly if Shelton cares aboubt being exposed he should head to TNA and fuend with Sabin.

A cocky gimmick like along the lines of the Whole ****ing Show gimmick would wonders for him if done properly :up:

Yeah he needs to get somewhere that will promote him properly:up:

As for Carlito,his Mic work is good but he needs some more OVW ring time

[SLYspyder]

Are you getting paid by WWE ? seriously kid the guys that write for PWTorch and PWinsider are respected wrestling journolists and are mentioned in several of the wrestlers biography's they go to the matches and interview the wrestlers

i don't buy it, the WWE is too big of a corporation to let some noob ass reporter walk around interviewing wrestlers without their permission. there's plenty of profit to lose in that situation

[Twitch]

lmao, thats what id really like to know. WWE is THE company to work for.

HAHAHAHA :down

Are you a ****ing jackass?

you do not know a damm thing about wrestling or the huge egos behind the WWE, you just eat what the WWE tells you to like a retarded dog :down

[Twitch]

Yeah he needs to get somewhere that will promote him properly:up:

As for Carlito,his Mic work is good but he needs some more OVW ring time

I agree about Carlito.


Which reminds me Snitsky should go to hell :up:

[Hunter Rider]

i don't buy it, the WWE is too big of a corporation to let some noob ass reporter walk around interviewing wrestlers without their permission. there's plenty of profit to lose in that situation

No there isnt, controversy is a magnet in wrestling and has been for years and these guys arent noobs there longtime journo's of the game

Look it's obvious you think WWE is great and that all their wrestlers and mic segments are brilliant and we should all follow along like sheep so why don't you make a thread for only ppl that love WWE and wont diss it ?

[Hunter Rider]

I agree about Carlito.


Which reminds me Snitsky should go to hell :up:

and take Masters Heidenreich and Batista with him:o

[Eric Draven]

and take Masters Heidenreich and Batista with him:o

Batista isn't that bad. But yeah, Heidenreich and Snitsky are just absolutely horrible. And Heidenreich should just take Animal with him. Then maybe the tag team belts could go to a team that warrants it - MNM, Mexicools, Regal/Burchill, etc.

[Twitch]

Batista isn't that bad. But yeah, Heidenreich and Snitsky are just absolutely horrible. And Heidenreich should just take Animal with him. Then maybe the tag team belts could go to a team that warrants it - MNM, Mexicools, Regal/Burchill, etc.

If SD merges with Raw, we have an excellent tag division

we have:

Cade/Murdock
Hurrincane/Rosey
Venis/Viscera
The Hearthrobs
MNM
Mexicools
Regal/Burchill

:up:

[Hunter Rider]

Batista isn't that bad. But yeah, Heidenreich and Snitsky are just absolutely horrible. And Heidenreich should just take Animal with him. Then maybe the tag team belts could go to a team that warrants it - MNM, Mexicools, Regal/Burchill, etc.

Ugh yeah Animal and his Job from his brother:down I think Masters gotta go though
As for Batista i think he is better as a tag wrestker who tags in for power bursts

[Eric Draven]

If SD merges with Raw, we have an excellent tag division

we have:

Cade/Murdock
Hurrincane/Rosey
Venis/Viscera
The Hearthrobs
MNM
Mexicools
Regal/Burchill

:up:

Or even just move the tag teams to Smackdown. That could then leave Raw for the McMahons (ugh!), and the IC, WWE, and woman's title....

[punishermax]

i don't buy it, the WWE is too big of a corporation to let some noob ass reporter walk around interviewing wrestlers without their permission. there's plenty of profit to lose in that situation

Seriously, just go away, you know nothing about wrestling.

[sikkbones]

Seriously, just go away, you know nothing about wrestling.
for a serious wrestling conversation with a touch of humor join here.. instead of talking to 12 year old marks debate their favorite wrestler on teh interweb...

http://spamwrestle.proboards21.com/index.cgi

[Hunter Rider]

for a serious wrestling conversation with a touch of humor join here.. instead of talking to 12 year old marks debate their favorite wrestler on teh interweb...

http://spamwrestle.proboards21.com/index.cgi

You better watch that, if Mirko see's you promoting your site post after post he will ban you

[sikkbones]

You better watch that, if Mirko see's you promoting your site post after post he will ban you


you people have no Idea who i am do you?

[Hunter Rider]

you people have no Idea who i am do you?

No,who are you ?

[sikkbones]

No,who are you ?
you'll find out...

do an google search on the words sikkbones and wrestling.

[Colossal Spoons]

and take Masters Heidenreich and Batista with him:o

Ouch, that stung. :down

Batista's my fav wrestler right now cuz he's not just a musclehead. He actually has a personality(notice I didn't say charisma), unlike most goliath's of the past: Brock Lesnar, Nathan Jones, Matt Morgan, Big Show as of late, etc.

[Hunter Rider]

you'll find out...

do an google search on the words sikkbones and wrestling.

Ok so i did a search,your name appears on a lot of forums and you seem to have a metal band but i still don't know who you are:(

[sikkbones]

Ok so i did a search,your name appears on a lot of forums and you seem to have a metal band but i still don't know who you are:(
you'll understand soon.


is it just me or does the guy that stallone beat in this movie on the right
http://www.reeldeals.com/pictures/overthetop.jpg bear an unholy resemblance to the big show?

[Hunter Rider]

Ouch, that stung. :down

Batista's my fav wrestler right now cuz he's not just a musclehead. He actually has a personality(notice I didn't say charisma), unlike most goliath's of the past: Brock Lesnar, Nathan Jones, Matt Morgan, Big Show as of late, etc.

well we disagree on Brock but im not trying to change anyones mind its just my opinion,after his match with Eddie i really want him out the way as champ,Guerro had to wrestle half pace (something he didn't need to do with Lesnar} just so Batista could manage,he has become a 3 move guy and is limited in his ring movement IMO

[Colossal Spoons]

My google search came up negative, if that says anything.

True Brock was much more athletic than Dave but as we've all seen from the WWE these past few weeks; wrestling talent means nothing anymore. Batista sells tickets, I went to Summerslam and people in the crowd were going insane during his entrance(myself very much inculded lol) I dunno, my opinion is very biased cuz I also look up to him from a bodybuilding point of view also.

[Hunter Rider]

you'll understand soon.


is it just me or does the guy that stallone beat in this movie on the right
http://www.reeldeals.com/pictures/overthetop.jpg bear an unholy resemblance to the big show?

Im now hoping your RVD:D ;)

[punishermax]

My search came up with nothing too.

[sikkbones]

Im now hoping your RVD:D ;)


you'll know when you're supposed to know.

"goes and smokes a bong!"

[Colossal Spoons]

Okey dokey, we'll be here....waiting.

[sikkbones]

Okey dokey, we'll be here....waiting.
" sticks his thumbs towards his back for a cheap pop "

[Hunter Rider]

" sticks his thumbs towards his back for a cheap pop "


:D :up: :up:

[punishermax]

Those twin guys on Smackdown just used AMW's Death Sentence on one of the Mexicools. Can't the WWE do anything original anymore. :down:

[Colossal Spoons]

" sticks his thumbs towards his back for a cheap pop "

Hehe, what would you be doing posting here? Go heal that knee of yours.

[sikkbones]

Hehe, what would you be doing posting here? Go heal that knee of yours.
i do own a comic shop you know.... and i happen to read the damn things.

[SLYspyder]

HAHAHAHA :down

Are you a ****ing jackass?

you do not know a damm thing about wrestling or the huge egos behind the WWE, you just eat what the WWE tells you to like a retarded dog :down

sorry, i'm not a dumbass like you who doesn't realize that the first and foremost reason wrestlers put their bodies out there is that they are getting paid. secondly, they enjoy entertaining people.

so explain to me why i would

that'll be the day, when a wrestle leaves the WWE because "X" Wrestling Organization has better storylines.

[punishermax]

Why? Backstage politics, unless your friends with one of like 6 different people backstage you'll likely get nowhere n WWE.

[SLYspyder]

Seriously, just go away, you know nothing about wrestling.

oh yeah, and you do? where's your wrestling degree?

[Hunter Rider]

sorry, i'm not a dumbass like you who doesn't realize that the first and foremost reason wrestlers put their bodies out there is that they are getting paid. secondly, they enjoy entertaining people.

so explain to me why i would

that'll be the day, when a wrestle leaves the WWE because "X" Wrestling Organization has better storylines.

did you read the article about why Mike Goldberg turned down a wwe contract ?
He turned down a million dollar contract because he didn't want to work a scumbag like Mcmahon and the same goes for Sting and AJ Styles,
Some ppl care more about integrity than money

[punishermax]

My wrestling degree is all the years I've been watching it.

[SLYspyder]

My wrestling degree is all the years I've been watching it.

guess what einstein? i've been watching wrestling for years too

[punishermax]

Thats fantastic.

[SLYspyder]

No there isnt, controversy is a magnet in wrestling and has been for years and these guys arent noobs there longtime journo's of the game

Look it's obvious you think WWE is great and that all their wrestlers and mic segments are brilliant and we should all follow along like sheep so why don't you make a thread for only ppl that love WWE and wont diss it ?

actually, it should be the other way around, you and your kind need to leave and make a new thread for WWE bashers because when this thread started back in 2003, it wasn't littered with WWE hate posts.

[Hunter Rider]

guess what einstein? i've been watching wrestling for years too

You admitted last night that you hadn't been a fan during the Late 90's Austin era and i ask you again,why don't you make a pro WWE thread where everyone who thinks WWE is brilliant the way it is can post ?

[SLYspyder]

did you read the article about why Mike Goldberg turned down a wwe contract ?
He turned down a million dollar contract because he didn't want to work a scumbag like Mcmahon and the same goes for Sting and AJ Styles,
Some ppl care more about integrity than money

you make it sound like he denied the contract immediately, anywayz, i'm pretty sure he'll regret that decision. who knows what his bosses offered him to keep him on board.

[Hunter Rider]

actually, it should be the other way around, you and your kind need to leave and make a new thread for WWE bashers because when this thread started back in 2003, it wasn't littered with WWE hate posts.

This is the wrestling thread therefore all talk is allowed we don't need to all worship wwe,i am saying if you want a thread that only says nice things about it then make your own and we shall stay away

And grow up i am not a wwe hater but im also not blind to the crap in the show either

[SLYspyder]

You admitted last night that you hadn't been a fan during the Late 90's Austin era and i ask you again,why don't you make a pro WWE thread where everyone who thinks WWE is brilliant the way it is can post ?

what the hell? when did i ever say that i wasn't a fan of the WWE's freaking PEAK period?! you obviously misinterpretted my post.

[punishermax]

actually, it should be the other way around, you and your kind need to leave and make a new thread for WWE bashers because when this thread started back in 2003, it wasn't littered with WWE hate posts.

Hey, so what most people in this thread don't like most of what the WWE is putting out right now, and they complain about WWE, thats their god given right. But you don't have to come in here and call everyone whiny ****ers or whatever you called everyone. If you think your the voice of reason then don't act like a jackass when you first come in here.

[Hunter Rider]

you make it sound like he denied the contract immediately, anywayz, i'm pretty sure he'll regret that decision. who knows what his bosses offered him to keep him on board.

They didn't offer him more money the UFC don't have that kind of money he walked because Vince is a sleaze and wanted him to screw UFC

[Hunter Rider]

what the hell? when did i ever say that i wasn't a fan of the WWE's freaking PEAK period?! you obviously misinterpretted my post.

The way this reads it is as if you have only heard about the late 90's not that you watched it

no, but at the same time, i don't tune into shows every week expecting the BEST each time, you're going to have awesome seasons/episodes, and you're going to have average seasons/episodes. and what do i hear every week? I hear how RAW sucks and wasn't as good as the late 90's or whatever, you can't compare a show to how good it was at it's peak all the time,.

[punishermax]

That clock that the Boogeyman is holding, I have that clock. Oh yeah, what a retarded gimmick.

[Twitch]

sorry, i'm not a dumbass like you who doesn't realize that the first and foremost reason wrestlers put their bodies out there is that they are getting paid. secondly, they enjoy entertaining people.

so explain to me why i would

that'll be the day, when a wrestle leaves the WWE because "X" Wrestling Organization has better storylines.

WELL DUH, DUMBASS!

I guess you never saw a little thing in the 90's called ECW. They didn't care much about the money, but giving their great die-hard fans their money's worth every damm night. With classic matches nearly every day. They would get bloody every night for their fans.

Also we can tell you're a mark, you don't have the guts to aknowledge your competition in TNA. :down

[SLYspyder]

They didn't offer him more money the UFC don't have that kind of money he walked because Vince is a sleaze and wanted him to screw UFC

like i said before, i'm pretty sure he'll look back and regret his decision, i'm sure you think otherwise. also, when you're in business, your job is to screw other businesses, directly or indirectly, for example, Electronic Arts (EA) bought the NFL rights for I dunno, 10 yrs or so, which means they are the only company allowed to make NFL games, that screwed quite a few companies.

[SLYspyder]

WELL DUH, DUMBASS!

I guess you never saw a little thing in the 90's called ECW. They didn't care much about the money, but giving their great die-hard fans their money's worth every damm night. With classic matches nearly every day. They would get bloody every night for their fans.

Also we can tell you're a mark, you don't have the guts to aknowledge you competition in TNA. :down

when i said secondly, i meant that as in behind the first reason i gave.

[punishermax]

like i said before, i'm pretty sure he'll look back and regret his decision, i'm sure you think otherwise. also, when you're in business, your job is to screw other businesses, directly or indirectly, for example, Electronic Arts (EA) bought the NFL rights for I dunno, 10 yrs or so, which means they are the only company allowed to make NFL games, that screwed quite a few companies.

Actually they bought all the rights earlier this year.

[Twitch]

when i said secondly, i meant that as in behind the first reason i gave.

my point covers both reasons if you think about it.(That is If you ever saw ECW) I think this proves that your claim to watching wrestling for a long time is complete bull****. :down

Now Get Out and make your "I love WWE thread" and we will surely stay away from a jackass like you. :)

[SLYspyder]

Actually they bought all the rights earlier this year.


oookay.....what did I say in my post?

[SLYspyder]

my point covers both reasons if you think about it.(That is If you ever saw ECW) I think this proves that your claim to watching wrestling for a long time is complete bull****. :down

Now Get Out and make your "I love WWE thread" and we will surely stay away from a jackass like you. :)

cool, your post makes no sense.

not like any ECW wouldn't have gone to WWE if offered a nice contract. how does your point cover that?
and i didn't watch ECW or WCW, never claimed i did.

[Twitch]

cool, your post makes no sense.

not like any ECW wouldn't have gone to WWE if offered a nice contract. how does your point cover that?
and i didn't watch ECW or WCW, never claimed i did.

I was using ECW as a example for defense against your recent post. First off and foremorst. you are a baby for not accepting crititcism of WWE. Second are complaints are said because we want a better overall product then what the WWE is shipping out now. I had nothing else to say, now go away :)

[Eric Draven]

That clock that the Boogeyman is holding, I have that clock. Oh yeah, what a retarded gimmick.

I actually think it has promise, if they keep going that Boogeyman is just an ordinary guy who literally thinks he's some sort of scary Boogeyman when everybody else just thinks he's a total nutcase. The gimmick might actually be one of those guilty pleasure gimmicks similar to the evil Doink or Goldust :o

[sikkbones]

I actually think it has promise, if they keep going that Boogeyman is just an ordinary guy who literally thinks he's some sort of scary Boogeyman when everybody else just thinks he's a total nutcase. The gimmick might actually be one of those guilty pleasure gimmicks similar to the evil Doink or Goldust :o
it's been done and better in the WWE: mick foley.

[Eric Draven]

it's been done and better in the WWE: mick foley.

Mankind was basically taken as something serious though, Boogeyman's just a gimmick done for laughs. I'm not saying that Boogeyman's going to be anything great, I'm just saying it could be something entertaining.

[TheVileOne]

Hey guys, another picture of the Boogeyman for you:

http://premium1.uploadit.org/jonfun/theboogeyman.jpg

http://premium1.uploadit.org/jonfun/theboogeyman.jpg

[NDX]

Actually, that was who I was hoping to see. But when I saw him squeezing that heart and breaking the clock, man, am I ever glad I got that on tape. That was funny.

[punishermax]

oookay.....what did I say in my post?
My bad, I thought it said 10 years ago.

[PyroChamber]

Someone needs to tell Boogeyman to get some new teeth.

Here's something I always wondered and maybe someone can answer.....does anyone think that professional wrestling would still be as great as it use to be if fans never knew it was "pre-determined"?

[Hunter Rider]

like i said before, i'm pretty sure he'll look back and regret his decision, i'm sure you think otherwise. also, when you're in business, your job is to screw other businesses, directly or indirectly, for example, Electronic Arts (EA) bought the NFL rights for I dunno, 10 yrs or so, which means they are the only company allowed to make NFL games, that screwed quite a few companies.

Why would he regret it ? he is still being well paid and can also keep his integrity,you seem a very shallow person

And again if you think WWE is so wonderful and can't be objective make your own thread for worship and all of us will stay away

[Hunter Rider]

From WZ

WWE is looking to bring in Mistico and Super Porky as soon as this Monday's RAW. They are trying to obtain other names from Mexico as regulars, most feel this is due to the Telemundo deal, TNA's initial ratings featuring their X Division stars and due to a lot of mainstream publicity that a lot of Lucha stars have been getting. It's going to be a close call trying to get these guys as they need to get in touch with them first and then finalize a deal.

Jim Ross suffered a ruptured colon and surgery will happen next week. The WWE web site is publishing hate mail, and while no one is certain it appears as if Ross will return after his medical problems are solved. There wouldn't be any other reason for posting just 'hate' mail.

[3dman27]

Here's something I always wondered and maybe someone can answer.....does anyone think that professional wrestling would still be as great as it use to be if fans never knew it was "pre-determined"?ye i think thats the case it was a lot more fun [for me anyway] when i was out of the loop :spidey:

[Hunter Rider]

ye i think thats the case it was a lot more fun [for me anyway] when i was out of the loop :spidey:
I think it's 50/50,when i was younger and followed it as good vs evil and thought that the matches were straight up i think the excitment was greater but on the flip side reading several biographies and understanding the buissness has given me a great respect and appreciation for the skill it takes to do what they do

It does however make things more frustrating when a really talented guy isnt getting a push b/c he isnt kissing the right ass or the mark section isnt into him b/c he doesnt have a stupid gimmick and they don't care about in ring performance and you know that is why and can't write it off as "well if he can't win his matches it's his fault":( :p

[TheVileOne]

You know this isn't the first time Jim Ross was unceremoniously fired on TV before.

[Hunter Rider]

Credit: PWInsider.Com

WWE World champion Batista recently did a chat with The London Sun discussing a number of topics. Highlights include:

The Reaction to Batista criticizing the Smackdown roster last year: " Oh yes - tons of heat! I got lectured by Vince McMahon, The Undertaker and all the way down. I had good friends who just turned on me. Well, I thought they were good friends. Some of them are not with the company now. But I spoke from my heart then and I still feel that today. Maybe I chose the wrong forum to voice that opinion but I was speaking from the heart. When we were having that discussion we were talking about the competition between Raw and Smackdown. I didn't mention anybody on Raw, but there were guys on Raw I had the same sentiment about - who were absolutely lazy, had no passion and I thought should not be there. The same goes now. I'm putting my foot in my mouth again but I still think there are guys on both shows who are lazy, couldn't care less and show no dedication. But we're slowly weeding those guys out. I want everybody in this company to work as hard as me, Triple H and The Undertaker do. I want them to sack the guys who lack the passion for this business and this company - I don't want them to be part of my show. Some of the guys who I think should be on their way out the door are still being given opportunities to shine, and it's up to them to take the bull by the horns and show that they really want to be out there."

Whether the move to Smackdown was a demotion: "Looking at the two shows compared to last season I wouldn't say Raw have a stronger talent base. On Smackdown we have Randy Orton, Chris Benoit, Eddie Guerrero and The Undertaker. That's a very strong line-up. I get a sense that we're starting over and building the brand - telling new stories and starting new feuds. Right now we're in the transition phase and once we get our feet under us - especially now we're on Friday nights - it's going to be a whole new Smackdown."

His Feud with JBL: "It was very difficult and I was a little disappointed with our matches. JBL and I have absolutely zero chemistry. Enough said about that."

The Muhammad Hassan character: "Muhammed Hassan, a different person would have made that character work. He was helped a lot with his promos and in the ring I don't think he held his own at all. Daivari, on the other hand, was perfect - if only we could have taken Daivari's mind and stuck it in Muhammed Hassan's body. I liked Mark Copani as a person, but he's one of the people whose heart just wasn't in it. He said he could live "with or without" wrestling and that is hard to listen to for guys like me who live and breathe for this business."

OVW preparing WWE talents: "I really wasn't prepared well for the WWE in OVW and when I came up there were a few times where my job was in jeopardy - and I think that's not fair. There are still people brought up without the right preparation. Look at Bobby Lashley - I don't even think he's close to ready. Bobby Lashley, if held back for a while, could have been another Brock Lesnar. He's got the amateur accolades and he's an incredible athlete."

TNA as a competitor to WWE: "I've actually not ever watched any of their shows. I saw a press conference that they did, which I wasn't very impressed with. I've also seen clips of their car wreck matches with AJ Styles doing his stunts. That's not wrestling. Wrestling is storytelling. But at the same time, I have friends in TNA and I wish them the best. Those type of matches definitely have their place, it's just not my thing. I also welcome the competition, which I think can only be good for the wrestling business."

Being World Champion: "I remember having a drink with Undertaker before I won the title. I told him I was enjoying myself and he said: "Enjoy it while it lasts, because when you win that title you'll be working your ass off." Being world champion is physically so demanding, ask anybody who has held the belt. You're constantly travelling and working and there is also the mental pressure, as you're stressing over business aspects that you've never had to worry about before."

His Dream Wrestlemania opponent: "Brock Lesnar, without a doubt. It's a dream match for a lot of people, including myself. We could have the bout that Goldberg v Lesnar should have been. People expected so much from that, but neither one of them had their hearts in it. I think if Brock did return my heart would be in it, as would his - we've always had a healthy competition between us. I have sent the message out to Brock as much as I can, I really hope he comes back. He said he's done a lot of growing up and mentally I believe he's ready to return. So much weight was put on his shoulders at the time so fast, and he was just a kid then, that he couldn't cope with it."

[Hunter Rider]

Looks like someone has gotten a big head and knows the right assess to kiss
I can't believe after that pathetic match he had with Eddie he has the nerve to tell AJ Styles what wrestling is:rolleyes:

[Sabretooth]

Batista sounds like a bastard.He has no right to be telling Styles what to do,when Batista can only do a spinebuster and the occasional clothesline. Stupid *******,if it wasn't for his mic work,he would be complete crap.:down

[Twitch]

Batista sounds like a bastard.He has no right to be telling Styles what to do,when Batista can only do a spinebuster and the occasional clothesline. Stupid *******,if it wasn't for his mic work,he would be complete crap.:down

Sabretooth returns... :up:

[Sabretooth]

Sabretooth returns... :up:
Bet your ass :up:

[Hunter Rider]

Batista sounds like a bastard.He has no right to be telling Styles what to do,when Batista can only do a spinebuster and the occasional clothesline. Stupid *******,if it wasn't for his mic work,he would be complete crap.:down

His mic work aint that great either,he's over cos he is big and muscley and Vince loves that type

[Sabretooth]

His mic work aint that great either,he's over cos he is big and muscley and Vince loves that type
Well,he's better than Cena,that's for sure. :o

[punishermax]

I'm better than Cena.

[Sabretooth]

I'm better than Cena.
Anybody who can come up with a rap that has nothing to do with gay jokes is better than Cena.

[Hunter Rider]

Well,he's better than Cena,that's for sure. :o

~when Cena just cuts a promo without the gay stuff he is more charismatic than Batista IMO and he is much better in the ring

[Eric Draven]

I could actually take Cena more seriously if he dumped that spinner. I still can't get use to that belt. It just looks so damn ridiculous :mad:

And if he stopped walking out like a spaz :o

I have liked a few of his promos the past few weeks though. The one he did on Carlito's Cabana sort of was a return to the Cena of old, despite all the gay jokes. And I did like the one promo he did with Show, Michaels, and Hardy a few weeks back.....

[TheVileOne]

I see more storyline and psychology in AJ's "carwrecks" then I see in all of Batista's boring ass main events.

Let's also not forget, WWE are the ones who popularized chaotic and "carwreck" wrestling. THEY are the ones who made it mainstream based off of ECW.

[Hellion]

Dose anyone here watch it.....I do.

Not since my favorites have left.

[The Batman]

Actually, he's kinda right. Aj's great and everything, but he dosent really tell a story when hes in the ring.

and i didnt like how batisita kept talking about "people who's hearts werent in it" and then says HHH and Taker work hard. All HHH needs to do is ask his wife for another title run, and he'll get it. Taker barely works half the time, appearing like 2 times a month, and thats if we're lucky. He talks about bobby lashley not being ready, but ashley already looks like hes a better wrestler than batista. Batisita needs to worry about stepping his game up, instead of talking trash

[Hunter Rider]

Actually, he's kinda right. Aj's great and everything, but he dosent really tell a story when hes in the ring.

and i didnt like how batisita kept talking about "people who's hearts werent in it" and then says HHH and Taker work hard. All HHH needs to do is ask his wife for another title run, and he'll get it. Taker barely works half the time, appearing like 2 times a month, and thats if we're lucky. He talks about bobby lashley not being ready, but ashley already looks like hes a better wrestler than batista. Batisita needs to worry about stepping his game up, instead of talking trash

Im not getting into the HHH debate again but he does work very hard for the company and is a ring craftsmen whether anyone likes him or not but i agree with the rest of what your saying Batista being such a weak ass performer himself really has no room to talk about anyones abilities,the only stories he's been telling in the ring are the type that make me go to sleep:o

As for AJ,I havent seen enough to comment on his storytelling skills in the ring but i'd rather watch his matches than 90% of WWE's guys

[Sabretooth]

Yeah,I'm not getting into the HHH thing,but I'll go with Taker for now.I can't see how he works hard,he comes in every couple of weeks and doesn't sell anybody's moves.I could probably count how many people he's put over in the past two years on one hand.I can't stand how when he comes in he gets to go over guys who are there every week working their asses off,and then they have to job to a guy who thinks he's still in the 90's.Pathetic.

[Sabretooth]

Actually, he's kinda right. Aj's great and everything, but he dosent really tell a story when hes in the ring.

and i didnt like how batisita kept talking about "people who's hearts werent in it" and then says HHH and Taker work hard. All HHH needs to do is ask his wife for another title run, and he'll get it. Taker barely works half the time, appearing like 2 times a month, and thats if we're lucky. He talks about bobby lashley not being ready, but ashley already looks like hes a better wrestler than batista. Batisita needs to worry about stepping his game up, instead of talking trash
What story does AJ have to tell?

[TheVileOne]

People who say that about AJ have obviously watched none of his matches.

His Iron man match with Daniels at Against All Odds told a great story. Ultimate X at Final Resolution. Samoa Joe at Sacrifice. And the Triple Threat match at Unbreakable. People who say he can't tell a story in the ring are either ignorant morons or have not watched his best matches.

[Twitch]

People who say that about AJ have obviously watched none of his matches.

His Iron man match with Daniels at Against All Odds told a great story. Ultimate X at Final Resolution. Samoa Joe at Sacrifice. And the Triple Threat match at Unbreakable. People who say he can't tell a story in the ring are either ignorant morons or have not watched his best matches.

Saw two of the matches you mentioned and I agree completely :up:

[Eric Draven]

What the balls? :mad:

From WWE.com:

The Juniors Are Coming!
Oct. 15, 2005

In an unprecedented collaboration, network executive Palmer Canon and SmackDown General Manager Theodore Long announced today the introduction of a new WWE wrestling division exclusive to Friday Night SmackDown: The Juniors.

The Juniors Division will be comprised of world-class athletes at or below 5 feet tall. “Midgets, dwarves, the little people; they’re all welcome,” said Long. “We don’t discriminate against anybody on my show, as long as they can bring it.”

“The network believes there’s big ratings and big excitement in the new Juniors Division," Canon added. "I think fans will be shocked at what these tiny, but very talented, competitors can add to the already incredibly gifted roster here on Friday Night SmackDown.”

[Sabretooth]

Is this supposed to be their little answer to the X-Divison?Have fun WWE,it's gonna blow up in your face.

[Hunter Rider]

What the balls? :mad:

From WWE.com:

The Juniors Are Coming!
Oct. 15, 2005

In an unprecedented collaboration, network executive Palmer Canon and SmackDown General Manager Theodore Long announced today the introduction of a new WWE wrestling division exclusive to Friday Night SmackDown: The Juniors.

The Juniors Division will be comprised of world-class athletes at or below 5 feet tall. “Midgets, dwarves, the little people; they’re all welcome,” said Long. “We don’t discriminate against anybody on my show, as long as they can bring it.”

“The network believes there’s big ratings and big excitement in the new Juniors Division," Canon added. "I think fans will be shocked at what these tiny, but very talented, competitors can add to the already incredibly gifted roster here on Friday Night SmackDown.”

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Chalk another great one up for the wwe creative team:o

[LastSunrise1981]

What the balls? :mad:

From WWE.com:

The Juniors Are Coming!
Oct. 15, 2005

In an unprecedented collaboration, network executive Palmer Canon and SmackDown General Manager Theodore Long announced today the introduction of a new WWE wrestling division exclusive to Friday Night SmackDown: The Juniors.

The Juniors Division will be comprised of world-class athletes at or below 5 feet tall. “Midgets, dwarves, the little people; they’re all welcome,” said Long. “We don’t discriminate against anybody on my show, as long as they can bring it.”

“The network believes there’s big ratings and big excitement in the new Juniors Division," Canon added. "I think fans will be shocked at what these tiny, but very talented, competitors can add to the already incredibly gifted roster here on Friday Night SmackDown.”

Hahaha, if this is an answer to the X-Division, it appears that TNA has gotten the attention of the WWE to an extent.

But it'll blow up in their faces and no one will take it seriously. Thank you WWE, for proving what many have said all along, you don't care about the fans and you never will, when we want WRESTLING and ACTUAL storylines we go watch TNA and appreciate their hardwork.

Now if they can get rid of Jeff Jarrett and put the belt back on Raven, we'll be set once more for a huge run of TNA wrestling. :up:

[The Batman]

"Below 5 feet tall"

what? We're gonna have midgets running around the ring?

[The Batman]

Yeah,I'm not getting into the HHH thing,but I'll go with Taker for now.I can't see how he works hard,he comes in every couple of weeks and doesn't sell anybody's moves.I could probably count how many people he's put over in the past two years on one hand.I can't stand how when he comes in he gets to go over guys who are there every week working their asses off,and then they have to job to a guy who thinks he's still in the 90's.Pathetic.

Because, like HHH, he has power. I cant blame him really. He's been working his ass off for 15 years straight, in the same company, where he couldve left for WCW like his contemporaries were. He's been in some lame fueds, and has been nothing but loyal to vince.

[Hunter Rider]

"Below 5 feet tall"

what? We're gonna have midgets running around the ring?

My guess is it's another crass atempt by WWE to mock the oposition:down