Wrestling

[Eric Draven]

i just read that sabu as signed a wwe legends contract
how can this be i don't think sabu was ever IN the wwe?

ECW was bought out by the WWE remember?

[3dman27]

oh yeah thats right

[3dman27]

what happened to the stacy vs jillian match
i tuned in to see that and they didn't air it
i wish they'd put on the matches they advertise, i wasted two hours waiting for it
i found out the put it on the "web excusive"velocity eyuuck
i cant see the matches on dial up put heat and velocity back on tv where they BELONG
and for the record who won[ stacy i hope] :marv:

[The Ghoul]

I agree with that statement, but for some reason Vince likes those guys with the limited moves as the champion, look at the greatest WWE champion of all time Hulk Hogan, he had what three moves? But unlike Hogan batista has no charisma which really hurts him, so puttting him in a tag team would be a great move, or a stable, because when he and Flair teamed up he was interesting, the same can be said when he was part of Evolution, but now he is quite boring, but I don't really know what he has been up to lately because I don't watch Smackdown. I think JBL should still be champion or better yet Eddie...

I agree with most of waht you said. Except his charisma. I think he has some but that like his wrestling ability is very limited. It's not really his fault. It's the fact that for almost 3 or 4 years he never spoke. Then out of the blue they throw a mic in his face because he's the champ & they need that from a champion. Look at Edge. When he was with the brood he never spoke (in fact I remember looking a the WWF music vol.3 cd & in the booklet they had wrestler coments on their song & under Edge it said "...") But after that & he & Christian started talking more untill they really became known for their promos. Now I think Edge cuts some of the better promos on Raw. As for Batista I think it's a case of their top guy still having no direction it's as if they just tell him "Ok Dave, in this segment you and Eddie are friends. OK. Alright go." What the hell is he supossed to do with no direction or mic experience? I say give it time. He seems to be picking that up faster than in ring skills anyway.

[The Ghoul]

I agree with that statement, but for some reason Vince likes those guys with the limited moves as the champion, look at the greatest WWE champion of all time Hulk Hogan, he had what three moves? But unlike Hogan batista has no charisma which really hurts him, so puttting him in a tag team would be a great move, or a stable, because when he and Flair teamed up he was interesting, the same can be said when he was part of Evolution, but now he is quite boring, but I don't really know what he has been up to lately because I don't watch Smackdown. I think JBL should still be champion or better yet Eddie...

I agree with most of waht you said. Except his charisma. I think he has some but that like his wrestling ability is very limited. It's not really his fault. It's the fact that for almost 3 or 4 years he never spoke. Then out of the blue they throw a mic in his face because he's the champ & they need that from a champion. Look at Edge. When he was with the brood he never spoke (in fact I remember looking a the WWF music vol.3 cd & in the booklet they had wrestler coments on their song & under Edge it said "...") But after that & he & Christian started talking more untill they really became known for their promos. Now I think Edge cuts some of the better promos on Raw. As for Batista I think it's a case of their top guy still having no direction it's as if they just tell him "Ok Dave, in this segment you and Eddie are friends. OK. Alright go." What the hell is he supossed to do with no direction or mic experience? I say give it time. He seems to be picking that up faster than in ring skills anyway.

[Colossal Spoons]

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/2512/prudius5nr.jpg (http://imageshack.us/?x=my6&myref=http://imageshack.us/)

Where the hell was this guy when they were casting Colossus? :xmen:

[Sarge 2.0]

Where the hell was this guy when they were casting Colossus? :xmen:Yeah! :eek:

I wonder how well he can speak english...

[Colossal Spoons]

I dunno. He's done two projects in America(Disney and HBO) so I'm guessing he's fluent in English.

[The Techno Bat]

I agree with most of waht you said. Except his charisma. I think he has some but that like his wrestling ability is very limited. It's not really his fault. It's the fact that for almost 3 or 4 years he never spoke. Then out of the blue they throw a mic in his face because he's the champ & they need that from a champion. Look at Edge. When he was with the brood he never spoke (in fact I remember looking a the WWF music vol.3 cd & in the booklet they had wrestler coments on their song & under Edge it said "...") But after that & he & Christian started talking more untill they really became known for their promos. Now I think Edge cuts some of the better promos on Raw. As for Batista I think it's a case of their top guy still having no direction it's as if they just tell him "Ok Dave, in this segment you and Eddie are friends. OK. Alright go." What the hell is he supossed to do with no direction or mic experience? I say give it time. He seems to be picking that up faster than in ring skills anyway.

great point! :up:

[Metamorpho1977]

From WZ

Here is some more background information on the big Russian wrestler WWE may be bringing in, Oleg Prudius. Here is his resume from his page on the talent agency site, which was a PDF file. Apparently, he does have an extensive athletic background as he's been involved with pro football, rugby, sambo, judo, free style wrestling and pro wrestling.

TV AND FILM
25th Hour (Director Spike Lee) - Principal - Disney
The Wire - Nicolai (Principal) - HBO
Roksalana - Ataman (Principal) - UKRTV
Europe Bowl - DT/OG (Football Player) - Germany NTV
Arena Football - DT/OG (Football Player) - Germany NTV
It's Not To Easy - Alexander (Football Player) - UKRTV
College Championship - DT/OG (Football Player) - CBS

THEATRE
Victory Day - Sergeant (Principal) - Russian Military Theatre
Three Muskateers - Atos (Principal) - Ukraine University Theatre

STUDY
Monologues - Teacher - University Of Ukraine
Scene Study - Teacher - University Of Ukraine

SPECIAL SKILLS
Fluent in Russian and Ukrainian, pro football, free style wrestling, rugby, sambo, judo, grappling and pro wrestling.

Also, reader John Valles passed some more information about Prudius on to me. He found a little bio on him from USKBA.com, which is The United States Kickboxing Association's website. Apparently, WWE has had interest in Oleg Prudius since 2002.

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/2512/prudius5nr.jpg (http://imageshack.us/?x=my6&myref=http://imageshack.us/)
Just bring back Nikita Koloff and Ivan Koloff.

http://www.puroresu.com/wrestlers/koloff_nikita/nikita.jpg

[NDX]

Damn, I need to find a ride on Saturday, November 26th to see this show:

http://www.usaprowrestling.net/novshow05.htm

Even though this is only a tentative schedule, it's looking enjoyable so far. Hope it doesnt' change too much.

[BlackSymbiote]

Damn, I need to find a ride on Saturday, November 26th to see this show:

http://www.usaprowrestling.net/novshow05.htm

Even though this is only a tentative schedule, it's looking enjoyable so far. Hope it doesnt' change too much.

Holy crap, that card looks awesome! Wish I could see it.

[Hunter Rider]

Source: PWInsider.com

Updating the story from this morning, the word going around WWE is that Kane might have suffered a broken vertebrae. Again, that is the fear at this point and not a certainty, but his status for the Taboo Tuesday PPV is up in the air.

Prior to news of Kane's back scare, there was talk of calling Jack Bull up from OVW to work a program with the wrestler. WWE has already put that plan on hold, which proves the concern surrounding the situation.

There still remains no word on the partial pec tear Edge suffered recently. The injury will require surgery and he has been put out of action for now. His status for Taboo Tuesday is also unknown at this time. Edge is slated to team with Chris Masters in a RAW vs. SmackDown tag team match where fans can vote for JBL, Rey Mysterio, Matt Hardy, Christian or Hardcore Holly as the opponents that will face Edge and Masters. Many feel he may just gut out the PPV this Tuesday and then get the surgery soon afterwards. We hope to have more on his situation very soon.

Matt Striker has some major locker room heat on him right now. PWTorch.com reports that there was a huge incident where he was yelled at by Eddie Guerrero, almost beat up by Hardcore Holly, and thrown out of the locker room by Chris Benoit.

[3dman27]

Source: PWInsider.com



Matt Striker has some major locker room heat on him right now. PWTorch.com reports that there was a huge incident where he was yelled at by Eddie Guerrero, almost beat up by Hardcore Holly, and thrown out of the locker room by Chris Benoit.
maybe the don't like that he ran out on his teaching job to become a wrestler :marv:

[Hunter Rider]

http://www.wwe.com/inside/news/therockdoom

The Rock's candid comments on his WWE contract, HBK and Doom
By Ed Williams III
October 21, 2005

The Rock (http://www.wwe.com/superstars/raw/therock/) was arguably the most electrifying Superstar in WWE history, and now, with the upcoming release of his new movie Doom, he’s back as one of the most electrifying performers in Hollywood. WWE.com caught up with The Rock to discuss everything from his new movie, to who he’d like to face if he ever got back in the ring, to his true feelings about a dream match against HBK and more.

WWE.com: If you could wrestle just one more match, who would it be against?
The Rock: A guy I regret not working with, who I grew up watching, would be a guy like Sting in his prime. I would have loved to have wrestled him in his prime. And on the current roster, I always wanted to work with Rey Mysterio (http://www.wwe.com/superstars/smackdown/reymysterio/). I’d love to go against him with me as a heel in San Diego. I would love that. Sh**, that would be awesome. He’s just one of those gifted guys that can have a great match with anyone.

WWE.com: A lot of people on the Internet have always said they would love to have seen The Rock vs. Shawn Michaels (http://www.wwe.com/superstars/raw/shawnmichaels/). Is that a match you would have liked to have had?
The Rock: I was never ever interested in working with him, to be honest with you. I’ve known him for a long time. He came in and worked for my family in Hawaii when I was like 13 – him and Marty Jannetty. It was just one of those things. He was always one of those guys that I said “Hey” to and he said “Hey” – it’s no big deal.

[Hunter Rider]

i found out the put it on the "web excusive"velocity eyuuck
i cant see the matches on dial up put heat and velocity back on tv where they BELONG
and for the record who won[ stacy i hope] :marv:
Jillian Won

[Hunter Rider]

SD is going really well right now,i thought this past weeks episode was good and they are building up some good angles.
All they need to do is get Batista out the title scene and into a tag team and draft a face like HBK or RVD and the show will be set,
SD is a good example of a show being more than the sum of it's parts,RAW may have the bigger stars but they are being suffocated by the TV-time consuming ego's of the McMahon's

The Benoit/Booker feud has potential to be great and this heel turn with Sharmell at his side could lead to big things for Booker IMO as it's the most interesting he's been in years

[3dman27]

Jillian Won
aw nuts
thanks anyway hunter :spidey:

[Hunter Rider]

aw nuts
thanks anyway hunter :spidey:
no problem:up:

From WZ

- Speaking of developmental talent, there is talk of WWE calling up the 'Freakin' Deacon' to the Raw roster as possible new opponent for Kane. Our report yesterday was actually wrong as we listed Jack Bull as the guy being called up.

[The Ghoul]

Holy **** this is Ginormous ****ing news. Christian Just quit! I am not kidding you. Captain Charisma ****ing quit.

[3dman27]

Holy **** this is Ginormous ****ing news. Christian Just quit! I am not kidding you. Captain Charisma ****ing quit.
quit the company altogether or just in the storyline?
all news items on wwe.com are connected to storylines lately not real news :ghost: :marv:

[The Ghoul]

I read on prowrestling.com & it says he quit wwe

SmackDown Superstar Christian has quit WWE. Check back here later today as more information becomes available.

Note: We have no word on if this is a work or shoot. More details soon.

[Sarge 2.0]

This better f**king be a work! :mad:

[The Ghoul]

actually I want to see him in TNA in a fued with someone like Pety Williams or Christopher Daniels

[Hunter Rider]

Good move for him IMO,the WWE pissed all over him why should he stay with a retarded company that pushes Master above him ?

He was over so much earlier this year he even got a huge MSG pop and was set to be a world champ,then they shoved him to SD and de-pushed him,stupid steroid loving creative team:mad:

[Sarge 2.0]

He was one of the best things on Smackdown, too. :(

[The Ghoul]

I think if he went to TNA he could be X Division champ garenteed

[3dman27]

maybe he SHOULD head to tna once hisa no compete clause expires in jan.

[0neDisturbedSOB]

Can anyone confirm this? I like Christian too....he's funny as hell.

[The Ghoul]

Jay 'Christian' Reso's final match on WWE television was last night at the TV tapings.

The backstage story is that Christian was given a contract to sign last week in San Francisco. His old contract had expired. They wanted him to sign it on the spot and he didn't do it. He did show up and did the job on the way out last night

so i guess there is no "no compete clause" & he could go to TNA tomarrow if he wanted

[Angelus103]

nooooooooooo first y2j and now christian
this sucks

[The Ghoul]

nooooooooooo first y2j and now christian
this sucks

Jericho is just on sabatical he is set to return in january.

[Hunter Rider]

PWInsider.com reports that Christian has been miserable in WWE for quite a while, and it only got worse when he was moved to the SmackDown roster.

His quitting is not a work or storyline, however knowing WWE's recent booking style, it could be turned into a storyline later on. As previously noted, he did not sign the new contract that WWE offered him. Christian felt that WWE should have offered him more money for what he's been putting up with, and has told friends he will give WWE a chance write him out of storylines.

Christian has also told friends that he had a big run and saved his money, and is in a position where he can afford to quit the company. It's somewhat like the what happened with Chris Jericho, who has almost completely separated himself from pro wrestling.

Something interesting to note is that Christian lives in Florida, which is where TNA tapes all their shows and runs their PPVs. This would allow for a situation similar to Scott Hall or Kevin Nash's, where he can take the quick drive up to Orlando once or twice a week to wrestle, then go back home to be with his family.

[Sarge 2.0]

nooooooooooo first y2j and now christian
this sucksJericho is just touring with Fozzy right now, so no worries there. He'll be back soon enough.

[Hunter Rider]

Jericho is just touring with Fozzy right now, so no worries there. He'll be back soon enough.

I don't think he wil be back,he hasn't mentioned wrestling any interviews lately and the word is he was sick of the treatment he was getting anyway

[The Ghoul]

I don't think he wil be back,he hasn't mentioned wrestling any interviews lately and the word is he was sick of the treatment he was getting anyway

He said on his site that his leaving is meerly some much needed time off from the ring. He said he loved WWE & wouldn't dream of going anywhere else, but he wanted some time go on to other things like some acting roles & touring with Fozzy & making another Fozzy cd

[Sarge 2.0]

I don't think he wil be back,he hasn't mentioned wrestling any interviews lately and the word is he was sick of the treatment he was getting anywayI'm pretty sure he mentioned being back between November and January, and even if he was sick of his treatment, he may have to come back due to some sort of contractual obligation.

[Ultimate_Superman]

I would be too. When he was with WCW that man was a king there when he came to the WWE he was also great but they under used him a great deal.

[Hunter Rider]

I'm pretty sure he mentioned being back between November and January, and even if he was sick of his treatment, he may have to come back due to some sort of contractual obligation.

Well all the articles ive read seem to hint at him not returning,if he does they should send him to SD as a face

[Sarge 2.0]

Well all the articles ive read seem to hint at him not returning,if he does they should send him to SD as a faceYou just know that he's going to end up on Raw, though. :o

Especially since you just said that...way to jinx it man. ;)

[Hunter Rider]

You just know that he's going to end up on Raw, though. :o

Especially since you just said that...way to jinx it man. ;)

Damn:mad: but he's already done the job to Cena which is all anyone is on RAW for these days:(

[Savage]

I think him going to Smackdown is in the bag. Especially after being "fired" from Raw, he'll pretty much pull a Matt Hardy. I'd love to see him feud of Gurerro and/or Benoit actually. Some awesome matches right there. Maybe have him and RVD go at it when he returns. Give em pushes.

[Hunter Rider]

I think him going to Smackdown is in the bag. Especially after being "fired" from Raw, he'll pretty much pull a Matt Hardy. I'd love to see him feud of Gurerro and/or Benoit actually. Some awesome matches right there. Maybe have him and RVD go at it when he returns. Give em pushes.

RVD is on RAW now though

[Savage]

When's the next lottery anyway? Maybe he'll be back by then and be drafted for Smackdown. Just throwing the RVD vs Y2J idea in there. Makes for some awesome matches AND it can show off their mic skills.

[Hunter Rider]

When's the next lottery anyway? Maybe he'll be back by then and be drafted for Smackdown. Just throwing the RVD vs Y2J idea in there. Makes for some awesome matches AND it can show off their mic skills.
the next lottery draw is may 2006,RVD is due back in Jan for the Rumble

[Savage]

Rats. Ah well. A guy can dream. :D Maybe Jericho can have a feud or two, maybe even become champ (by cheating of course.:D) and then feud with RVD. Bring this guy back to his former glory...Again, a guy can dream.:D

[Ultimate_Superman]

To bring RVD back to his former glory they need to bring back the hardcore matches and Ladder matches which made most of the people they have today.

[Sabretooth]

This really is a sad day.Christian leaving WWE? I mean,why do you think I really even watched Smackdown?:(


I think I'm gonna cry.:(

[Eric Draven]

Wow, that's a huge surprise. Christian leaving the WWE. But honestly, he should be getting the push Edge is getting. Christian is like 10 times the wrestler and way better on the mic than Edge will ever be :mad: :(

[Twitch]

Christian<WWE :mad::up:

Christian+TNA= :cool::up:

[Hunter Rider]

Christian will have to wait at least 90 days before he would be available to appear on a TNA show. This means there is still plenty of time for the WWE to come back to Christian so that the two could indeed work out some sort of a deal. This is not to say that it would happen by any means. WWE did the same thing with Matt Hardy, giving him what he wanted before he jumped to TNA. The same scenario could play out in the case of Christian. For the time being however, Christian will no longer be working for WWE.

[Hunter Rider]

Source: The Observer

Mark Henry is scheduled to debut tonight as a bodyguard for The Coach.

Several other big names from the past are expected to appear at RAW tonight. One is expected to be major if plans go through.

Christian quitting WWE will likely be addressed tonight on RAW as they need to explain why the fans won't be able to vote for him tomorrow night.

Edge is expected to work the PPV tomorrow. The feeling is that he'll be on light duty and will likely only work tag matches. He will remain on TV for the time being.

WrestlingObserver.com is reporting that Vader could make his return on tonight's RAW. Vader and Mark Henry (as previously reported) are on a list of several past names rumored for returns in the near future.

Christian is reportedly backstage at RAW tonight and will also - out of professional courtesy - be present at Taboo Tuesday. Many believe that WWE.com released news of his quitting to deter potential voters from checking Christian on their ballots; it remains to be seen if WWE will address the situation on tonight's RAW.

[Sarge 2.0]

This also sucks 'cause I REALLY wanted to see Christian wrestle Edge in the upcoming PPV match. I guess I'll have to settle for Matt Hardy and Mysterio or something...

[Eric Draven]

Christian will have to wait at least 90 days before he would be available to appear on a TNA show. This means there is still plenty of time for the WWE to come back to Christian so that the two could indeed work out some sort of a deal. This is not to say that it would happen by any means. WWE did the same thing with Matt Hardy, giving him what he wanted before he jumped to TNA. The same scenario could play out in the case of Christian. For the time being however, Christian will no longer be working for WWE.

Yeah, Christian could use this as a bargaining tool to get more money or a bigger push from the WWE, because honestly, Christian could end up being TNA's Steve Austin....

[Hunter Rider]

From WZ

For those wondering who owns the Christian name, it is registered to:

(REGISTRANT) World Wrestling Federation Entertainment, Inc. CORPORATION DELAWARE 1241 East Main Street Stamford CONNECTICUT 06902

This would mean that if he was going to work the indy scene or TNA he would need to go under his real name or a different character. As reported earlier, Christian is backstage at RAW right now and is expected to work Taboo Tuesday.

[Hunter Rider]

Source: PWInsider

Torrie Wilson has been removed from The Divas Raw Segment tonight. She has also been removed the the Taboo Tuesday Fulfill Your Fantasy Diva Battle Royal graphic on WWE.com.

As noted earlier, Christian is backstage at RAW. He is not there to sign a new contract as he's already stated he wants to leave. He has agreed tio appear tonight and tomorrow if needed.

Mark Henry, Dustin "Goldust" Runnels and Vader are all backstage.



Hmmmm i wonder what the deal is with Torrie:confused:
I'd love to see Vader involved but i could live without seeing the other 2 at all

[punishermax]

Christian is awesome, although in the same boat, I would do the same thing. If he did save up enough money to make sure he could quit the company, then good for him. The WWE is a dream come true for most wrestlers, but it seems the wrestlers who aren't on roids, and are the talented ones, are the ones that gets **** on.

[Keyser Soze]

I don't really blame Christian for leaving. For a while, he was THE hottest talent on Raw. He was hugely over, having consistently entertaining matches, and seemed set for a WWE Title feud with Cena on Smackdown. But then WWE swerve us by having Cena move to Raw, and Christian sent packing over to Smackdown to do...absolutely...nothing.

This is what pisses me off about WWE management. If a worker that they don't want to push is gaining a huge fan following purely down to his own talent and charisma (fat chance he was going to get any help from the writing team) they don't ask themselves "What is it about this guy the fans love? maybe we should exploit that and give him a push, giving the fans what they clearly want." No, they say "Damn, this guy is getting really over, but isn't roided up to high-hell. We better bury him to stop those pesky fans from cheering for him."

So while he's lost in the shuffle in WWE, he could really add to the main event scene in TNA, which is sorely needing to be expanded. And with TNA getting better and better almost as fast as WWE is going downhill, I'm predicting that Christian won't be the last worker to jump ship.

[Sabretooth]

Eh,as much as I like Christian,I kinda don't want him at TNA.They've already got enough WWEstars,they need to start focusing on their own stars,who are probably the ones who are gonna stick with TNA longer than the WWE stars.

That,and people like AJ Styles are starting to get aggravated over how much time they spend with WWE stars,and I can't blame him.

[Keyser Soze]

I disagree. I think that, while the X-Division is absolutely amazing, the NWA World Title Division is lacking. There are big guys, and old guys, but just not enough genuinely talented workers in the title chase. I think Christian could fit in very nicely.

[Hunter Rider]

I disagree. I think that, while the X-Division is absolutely amazing, the NWA World Title Division is lacking. There are big guys, and old guys, but just not enough genuinely talented workers in the title chase. I think Christian could fit in very nicely.
Agreed,they have the X division,the hardcore guys and great tag teams but they need some talent in the heavy weight scene and Christian could really bury WWE on the mic in his debut before becoming a player in the world title scene

[Sabretooth]

I disagree. I think that, while the X-Division is absolutely amazing, the NWA World Title Division is lacking. There are big guys, and old guys, but just not enough genuinely talented workers in the title chase. I think Christian could fit in very nicely.
If they didn't have their heads so far up Jarrett's ass,it wouldn't be so bad.Brown,Raven,Hardy,Styles,Hoyt,Rhino,etc.

And also,you really think WWE is gonna give up in their heavyweight division?That's where Vince's favorites are,they're there to stay.

[Jason Blood]

The Peepulation and the Christian Coalition are saddened by the loss of Christian

I hope to god it's a work

[Keyser Soze]

Monty Brown - Charismatic, but still relatively green in-ring
Raven - He's getting old, and descending into self-parody. But I still love him coz he's Raven.
Jeff Hardy - A joke. Good for a few high-spots, but worth little else. But he's over.
AJ Styles - An amazing talent. But he's wrestling in the X Division right now
Lance Hoyt - Haven't seen enough of his work to comment
Rhino - I really like the guy. Has the look and talent to be a main eventer.

I think the problem with TNA is that the X-Division is superior to its World Title division. Just look at some of the talent you have in the X Division:

AJ Styles
Christopher Daniels
Samoa Joe
Austin Aries
Alex Shelley
Sonjay Dutt
Roderick Strong
Petey Williams
Chris Sabin
Elix Skipper

And that's just naming a few. AJ Styles, current X Champion, is the best face in the company. Christopher Daniels is the best heel. And, strangely enough, the best big man in wrestling today, Samoa Joe, is in the X Division. For what is supposed to be the company's secondary title, things aren't looking too balanced.

I'm not saying take anything away from the X Division. Please don't. I love it, for me its the main appeal to the company. My opinion is that if TNA can get their World Title division up to the standard of the X Division, WWE will truly be in trouble. But how do you do that with this roster?

Jeff Jarrett
Rhino
Abyss
Monty Brown
Jeff Hardy
Raven
Sabu

Despite my earlier misgivings about their in-ring ability, I think that it's a strong foundation. These guys are all over, and with the right opponents can work great matches. But I think you need a few more names in the mix to heat things up and take the division to the next level.

Firstly, I'd promote Samoa Joe to the World Title Division. And then I'd put in Christian. After that, I'd limit WWE acquisitions to the genuinely talented, rather than has-beens just being picked up for name value (*cough* Billy Gunn *cough*). And with guys like Ron Killings, TNA should make their minds up. Is he going to be a main eventer, or are you going to stick him in a tag team.

The one thing that TNA is missing most sorely at the moment is a flagship babyface, someone with talent, a superstar look and charisma. The closest thing they have to one at the moment is AJ Styles, but despite his amazing talent, he doesn't have the mic skills to be the next Rock or Austin.

At the moment, TNA's biggest star is a heel, Jeff Jarrett. If TNA can find a talent who can he a truly iconic babyface superstar, the face of the company, someone who has a genuine appeal rather than just being shoved down the fans' throats like John Cena in WWE, then TNA will truly become a force to be reckoned with.

[Sabretooth]

I think AJ Styles could probably alternate between the X-Divison and the Heavyweight division with no problem.Though his last title reign as hevyweight champ was incredibly short.:down

[Hunter Rider]

Great post Keyser,your right,the only piece of the puzzle TNA are missing is a top draw face,i think Daniel's could be a top draw heel but AJ may lack the talking element to get the job done as a face
I can't see anyone in the company they can promote so they may need one last acquisition
I also think Lesnar would add to their product tremendously

[Hunter Rider]

Source: PWInsider.com

The following contains a spoiler for Taboo Tuesday.

The plan as of yesterday was for The Coach to go over clean against Steve Austin at Taboo Tuesday because Jim Ross obviously can't be back on the road this early with his recent colon surgery. The Coach is also expected to get Mark Henry as a bodyguard in the near future.

According to once source, Steve was not happy about this when informed about it over the weekend. Austin has walked out on WWE before when he was asked to job to Brock Lesnar on his first RAW appearance.. There is no word on where this will go from here but Austin was said to be unhappy yesterday.

[Sabretooth]

Lesnar would definitely be great.Though I can see him as more of a heel.Though,as a face he would definitely stick it to WWE.

The thing with Styles is a shame,because if it wasn't for his accent,he would be perfect as the top face.Maybe Raven,but as Keyzer said,he's getting kinda old.I think Monty Brown was also very good as a face.Just needs a little more wrestling experience to back it up.

[Sabretooth]

Source: PWInsider.com

The following contains a spoiler for Taboo Tuesday.

The plan as of yesterday was for The Coach to go over clean against Steve Austin at Taboo Tuesday because Jim Ross obviously can't be back on the road this early with his recent colon surgery. The Coach is also expected to get Mark Henry as a bodyguard in the near future.

According to once source, Steve was not happy about this when informed about it over the weekend. Austin has walked out on WWE before when he was asked to job to Brock Lesnar on his first RAW appearance.. There is no word on where this will go from here but Austin was said to be unhappy yesterday.As selfish as Austin sounds,I mean,come on,how many times has Austin already been fired?

[Hunter Rider]

Lesnar would definitely be great.Though I can see him as more of a heel.Though,as a face he would definitely stick it to WWE.

The thing with Styles is a shame,because if it wasn't for his accent,he would be perfect as the top face.Maybe Raven,but as Keyzer said,he's getting kinda old.I think Monty Brown was also very good as a face.Just needs a little more wrestling experience to back it up.

yeah i think they would use Lesnar more as a heel.
From what ive seen of Brown he is ok but they need a guy that can draw straight away IMO and stealing one of WWE's other big name faces would be a good building block

[Sabretooth]

Out of all the WWE people TNA's acquired,I think Rhino would work the best as top face...

[Keyser Soze]

Rhino has traditionally been better as a heel. But he was really on fire at "Bound For Glory". He's young, talented, and is serviceable (if not spectacular) on the mic. I'm glad to see he's getting the main-event push he deserved, but never got on WWE TV.

But herein lies the problem of making Rhino the top face. WWE could twist their own moronic treatment of him to their advantage. I can see it now - "Oh, one of our rejects is the TNA World Champion. So, their best guy wasn't good enough for WWE..."

[Hunter Rider]

Rhino has traditionally been better as a heel. But he was really on fire at "Bound For Glory". He's young, talented, and is serviceable (if not spectacular) on the mic. I'm glad to see he's getting the main-event push he deserved, but never got on WWE TV.

But herein lies the problem of making Rhino the top face. WWE could twist their own moronic treatment of him to their advantage. I can see it now - "Oh, one of our rejects is the TNA World Champion. So, their best guy wasn't good enough for WWE..."

The thing is with a champions like Batista and to a lesser extent Cena the chance for rebuttal is wide open

[Sabretooth]

Rhino has traditionally been better as a heel. But he was really on fire at "Bound For Glory". He's young, talented, and is serviceable (if not spectacular) on the mic. I'm glad to see he's getting the main-event push he deserved, but never got on WWE TV.

But herein lies the problem of making Rhino the top face. WWE could twist their own moronic treatment of him to their advantage. I can see it now - "Oh, one of our rejects is the TNA World Champion. So, their best guy wasn't good enough for WWE..."
And that's the thing with AJ.I can see somebody like HHH or Vince dressed up like a redneck and then just imitating him.That voice just won't work.Hell,I could even see them talking about Jarrett,considering he was a mid carder in WWE.

[TheVileOne]

Christian is now gone from WWE according to WWE.com.

If this is true I hope Christian goes to TNA or ROH.

[Keyser Soze]

The thing is with a champions like Batista and to a lesser extent Cena the chance for rebuttal is wide open

Well, in an interview, Batista trashed TNA, saying it was all garbage wrestling with no technique.

This prompted an angry response from Samoa Joe, who of course had some comments to make that involved a pot, a kettle, and a dark colour...

[TheVileOne]

I saw the Samoa Joe comments and they seemed rather restrained to me.

AJ's comments on Batista's words were brilliant.

[punishermax]

"I can do a power bomb too."

Best comback of the year, courtesy of Mr. Styles.

[Keyser Soze]

Anyone have a link to AJ Styles' comments?

[TheVileOne]

Anyone have a link to AJ Styles' comments?

Here are his exact comments from the fanfest:

What, do I need to get bigger? Do I need to use more steroids?

I can do a powerbomb too.

[NDX]

I never thought I'd see it but... it's the Burger King.

[punishermax]

HA! Harry freakin' Carey, thats awesome.

[Sabretooth]

Well, in an interview, Batista trashed TNA, saying it was all garbage wrestling with no technique.

This prompted an angry response from Samoa Joe, who of course had some comments to make that involved a pot, a kettle, and a dark colour...
PM it to me :up:

[Sabretooth]

I never thought I'd see it but... it's the Burger King.
That and Harry Carey were friggin hilarious.:D

[Sabretooth]

Holy Crap!Goldust!

[NDX]

IT'S TIME! IT'S TIME! IT'S VADER TIME!

It's also time for Vader to hit a gym. Looks to have gotten larger in the belly area.

[NDX]

Well, that squash match seemed a little ass backwards.

[Sabretooth]

I honestly thought Christian was going to come out when Coach was challenging anyone from SD!

[Bat_Venom]

Holy s***. Vader and Goldust back. Kinda takes away a little of the disapointment of Christian quitting.

[Sabretooth]

Hmmm...I heard some boos during Cena's match.In fact,I've been hearing people boo Cena ever since Homecoming.Kinda sad,cause they go ape**** for Batista,who doesn't even try to do better...

[NDX]

Source: www.wrestlingattitude.com

We can now confirm that Torrie Wilson is gone from WWE. We have no other details at this time. Expect WWE to make an official announce tomorrow.

For those who missed it, Goldust and Vader both debuted on RAW. There are plans for Mark Henry to come in as well, possibly as early as tonight's PPV.

[Eric Draven]

IT'S TIME! IT'S TIME! IT'S VADER TIME!

It's also time for Vader to hit a gym. Looks to have gotten larger in the belly area.

I chuckled a bit when Vader slipped when he walked out of the ring :D

And it seems like Taboo Tuesday is going through a ****load of revisions. First Stone Cold leaves (again :rolleyes: ) which results in a last minute addition of Batista, then Torrie Wilson is taken out of the Diva match. Not looking so good.....



Oh, and to the WWE: Never bring Stone Cold back. Ever. This is his what? 3910202th time walking away from the company because he didn't like what was going on? Don't they notice a pattern here?

[NDX]

I chuckled a bit when Vader slipped when he walked out of the ring :D

I'm going to try and get a screen shot of that and make in into a poster in time for the Bethpage event and shove it in his face.

Although I probably would have fallen out of the ring and never gotten up myself.

[Not Jake]

Oh, and to the WWE: Never bring Stone Cold back. Ever. This is his what? 3910202th time walking away from the company because he didn't like what was going on? Don't they notice a pattern here?they notice that he's the most popular wrestler since Hogan. They notice how much money he makes them.

[Colossal Spoons]

The room my friends and I were watching RAW in erupted when Vader fell out of the ring. Probably the funniest slip up since the Masterpiece falling during his entrance.

Yeah, I hope this is the last we see of Austin. The WWE is blind enough to keep bringing him back but they can't see Shelton's talent and move him to heat...only to bring the Hearthrobs to a main show. :rolleyes:

[Savage]

I chuckled a bit when Vader slipped when he walked out of the ring :D

Really? I bursted out laughing. :D

[NDX]

The Hearthrobs do not belong on Raw yet (if Raw had a tag team division this would be a different story) but it was an amusing match with Kane and Show trying to one up one another.

Vader's slip was the most amusing thing I've seen in a while. Glad I taped that one. Why I want to make a sign out of it.

[GLfan]

It seems Austin is very unprofessional not appearing in the PPV.:rolleyes:

In what is unfortunately not the first time a storyline led to the removal of Steve Austin from a match, it was announced on RAW that the wrestler would not be taking on Coach at tonight's Taboo Tuesday PPV. Austin, who was announced as "being in an accident," will be replaced by Batista.

As was broken earlier, Steve Austin was very upset with the planned outcome that would have seen Mark Henry help Coachman get the victory. With Batista replacing Austin, it is not known how WWE will modify the storyline plans.

It has also been announced that the originally scheduled Taboo Tuesday match between Eugene and a legend against Rob Conway was changed; Conway will now team with Tyson Tomko.
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I don't know if I want to order the PPV now.

[3dman27]

torrie wilson has left the building?
too bad but i suppose after her husband billy kidman was fired her days were numbered remember at that time she was on the great american bash posters and firing her then would've been too awkward :spidey:

[The Techno Bat]

As HOT as Torrie Wilson is, I think it's great she is gone, she always won everything, and now it will give the other diva's a chance to shine, somewhat.

SCSA quitting AGAIN no big surprise, the guy has done nothing to give back to the business and is a spoiled jerk, I hope he never comes back!

[Sarge 2.0]

Dammit Stone Cold...I love you man, I really do.


But why you gotta be a douche? Now I have to watch Batista wrestle Coach, Vader, and Goldust....:(

[GLfan]

Dammit Stone Cold...I love you man, I really do.


But why you gotta be a douche? Now I have to watch Batista wrestle Coach, Vader, and Goldust....:(
Because, he won't put anyone over that's why. Sad really we got jipped.

[Eric Draven]

they notice that he's the most popular wrestler since Hogan. They notice how much money he makes them.

But he leaves the company at some of the most oddest moments. It seems like everytime, they develop an angle with him and right in the middle of the angle, he doesn't like something about it (and it's usually something minor), so he throws a fit and goes him.

He may be as popular as Hogan yeah, but it seems like he's as much of a primma donna as Hogan was as well.....

[GLfan]

But he leaves the company at some of the most oddest moments. It seems like everytime, they develop an angle with him and right in the middle of the angle, he doesn't like something about it (and it's usually something minor), so he throws a fit and goes him.

He may be as popular as Hogan yeah, but it seems like he's as much of a primma donna as Hogan was as well.....
That's how some of these legends are, they can't get their way and they're gone. It's the fans who suffer most, if they really cared about the fans and the business they would follow through with their commitments.

[Colossal Spoons]

Dammit Stone Cold...I love you man, I really do.


But why you gotta be a douche? Now I have to watch Batista wrestle Coach, Vader, and Goldust....:(

That part's cool with me. :up:

[LastSunrise1981]

That's how some of these legends are, they can't get their way and they're gone. It's the fans who suffer most, if they really cared about the fans and the business they would follow through with their commitments.

Well the WWE is being known for not caring about the fans, if anything, it serves the WWE right for their stupidity.

In Austin's defense, they said they wanted him to do the job for Coach and he was upset about that, and rightfully so when you think about it. Coach is not a wrestler, he never was and never will be, so what's the point of putting him over on Austin and making him look weak?

People talk about the first time Austin left. What they are forgetting is the real reason he left and something he explained. He wanted to do a program with Eddie Gurrerro and put him over, then out of the blue they wanted him to feud with Lesnar and put Eddie on the backburner.

Austin didn't like it and thus had issues with the "creative team". You have to give him credit though, at least he's not like the Ultimate Warrior and rambling on in his religious terminology. :) :o

[The Ghoul]

while I did not agree with him walking out when asked to job to Lesner, because Lesner is at least credible for a push. But I applaude Austin for refusing to job to Coach... Even Tajiri who was misused from day 1 in WWE got over on Coach. Having Austin do the job to Coach is just Vinces way of showing his ass to JR & everyone else.

[0neDisturbedSOB]

I agree. I think Austin is right in doing what he did....Vince wants to humiliate Austin by making him job to Coach so Austin humiliates Vince by making him switch the storyline right before the night of the PPV.

Whoever said Austin hasn't given anything back to the business is clearly insane. The guy almost single handedly carried the WWF(E) during the mid-late 90's and is on par with Hulk Hogan as THE MOST popular, well known wrestler of ALL TIME. Vince himself has said that even Hulkamania couldn't stand up against the "Stone Cold era" of wrestling.

Vince wanting Austin to job to Coach is a completely ridiculous idea and I'm glad Austin refused to do it. My only question now is, is JR really gone from announcing RAW for good, or is he coming back at some point?

[brainchild81]

I agree. I think Austin is right in doing what he did....Vince wants to humiliate Austin by making him job to Coach so Austin humiliates Vince by making him switch the storyline right before the night of the PPV.

Whoever said Austin hasn't given anything back to the business is clearly insane. The guy almost single handedly carried the WWF(E) during the mid-late 90's and is on par with Hulk Hogan as THE MOST popular, well known wrestler of ALL TIME. Vince himself has said that even Hulkamania couldn't stand up against the "Stone Cold era" of wrestling.

Vince wanting Austin to job to Coach is a completely ridiculous idea and I'm glad Austin refused to do it.Ditto

[Colossal Spoons]

Whoever said Austin hasn't given anything back to the business is clearly insane. The guy almost single handedly carried the WWF(E) during the mid-late 90's and is on par with Hulk Hogan as THE MOST popular, well known wrestler of ALL TIME. Vince himself has said that even Hulkamania couldn't stand up against the "Stone Cold era" of wrestling.

Whoa whoa, I give Austin his credit but have you forgotten about The Rock and HHH? I know HHH didn't really begin to shine until the late 90s but still; Rocky made wrestling cool again when lots of people were beginning to lose interest.

I think if you did a street survey, more people could finish the statement "If ya smell..." more than "That's the bottom line..."

[1987olds442]

I agree. I think Austin is right in doing what he did....Vince wants to humiliate Austin by making him job to Coach so Austin humiliates Vince by making him switch the storyline right before the night of the PPV.

Whoever said Austin hasn't given anything back to the business is clearly insane. The guy almost single handedly carried the WWF(E) during the mid-late 90's and is on par with Hulk Hogan as THE MOST popular, well known wrestler of ALL TIME. Vince himself has said that even Hulkamania couldn't stand up against the "Stone Cold era" of wrestling.

Vince wanting Austin to job to Coach is a completely ridiculous idea and I'm glad Austin refused to do it. My only question now is, is JR really gone from announcing RAW for good, or is he coming back at some point?Agreed :up:

[0neDisturbedSOB]

Whoa whoa, I give Austin his credit but have you forgotten about The Rock and HHH? I know HHH didn't really begin to shine until the late 90s but still; Rocky made wrestling cool again when lots of people were beginning to lose interest.

I think if you did a street survey, more people could finish the statement "If ya smell..." more than "That's the bottom line..."

Austin was huge before anyone even knew who The Rock was. The only reason The Rock was pushed as much as he was, was because they needed a top heel to fued with Austin and he showed a lot of promise. Austin had some legendary fueds with people before The Rock was even "The Rock" (Rocky Maivia anyone?). His fued with McMahon is still, arguably the GREATEST fued of all time....for the first time a "blue collar" guy stood up against the tyrannical billionaire, and for the first time the OWNER of the company actually became a CHARACTER. If it wasn't for his fued with Austin, most people would still think that McMahon was an announcer for the WWF.

Austin's success spawned A LOT of these characters we have today. Infact when The Rock was the top face, they almost directly ripped off Austin's "defy authority" gimmick....it didn't work with The Rock though, he's ALWAYS been MUCH better as a heel.

Stone Cold Steve Austin is on par (if not surpassed) with the level of fame that Hulk Hogan has achieved in the wrestling community. His match with Shawn Michaels at WM14 (I believe) is still my favorite main event of all time....the fued leading up to the match was awesome, and the confrontation between Austin and Tyson was a historic moment in Sports Entertainment and sports in general.

Think about it, The Rock became famous because of his fueds with Austin...HHH became HUGE because of his involvment in the Michaels/Austin fued, or even the DX/Austin fueds.

Sit back and think of all of the historic moments that Austin has been involved in...Austin VS McMahon, Austin VS "The Corporation", Austin VS "The Corporate Ministry", Austin VS DX, Austin VS Rock, Austin VS Michaels....the list goes on and on. Wrestling will NEVER be as exciting as it was in those days. Anyone remember when Undertaker was going to "sacrafice" Stephanie? I'll never forget the excitement of when Austin ran out and saved her ass....the man was EXCITING, and he damn well deserves to be treated MUCH better than losing in a match to an ANNOUNCER.

I say good for him, Vince made Austin, but Austin MADE Vince....bottom line.

[1987olds442]

Austin was huge before anyone even knew who The Rock was. The only reason The Rock was pushed as much as he was, was because they needed a top heel to fued with Austin and he showed a lot of promise. Austin had some legendary fueds with people before The Rock was even "The Rock" (Rocky Maivia anyone?). His fued with McMahon is still, arguably the GREATEST fued of all time....for the first time a "blue collar" guy stood up against the tyrannical billionaire, and for the first time the OWNER of the company actually became a CHARACTER. If it wasn't for his fued with Austin, most people would still think that McMahon was an announcer for the WWF.

Austin's success spawned A LOT of these characters we have today. Infact when The Rock was the top face, they almost directly ripped off Austin's "defy authority" gimmick....it didn't work with The Rock though, he's ALWAYS been MUCH better as a heel.

Stone Cold Steve Austin is on par (if not surpassed) with the level of fame that Hulk Hogan has achieved in the wrestling community. His match with Shawn Michaels at WM14 (I believe) is still my favorite main event of all time....the fued leading up to the match was awesome, and the confrontation between Austin and Tyson was a historic moment in Sports Entertainment and sports in general.

Think about it, The Rock became famous because of his fueds with Austin...HHH became HUGE because of his involvment in the Michaels/Austin fued, or even the DX/Austin fueds.

Sit back and think of all of the historic moments that Austin has been involved in...Austin VS McMahon, Austin VS "The Corporation", Austin VS "The Corporate Ministry", Austin VS DX, Austin VS Rock, Austin VS Michaels....the list goes on and on. Wrestling will NEVER be as exciting as it was in those days. Anyone remember when Undertaker was going to "sacrafice" Stephanie? I'll never forget the excitement of when Austin ran out and saved her ass....the man was EXCITING, and he damn well deserves to be treated MUCH better than losing in a match to an ANNOUNCER.

I say good for him, Vince made Austin, but Austin MADE Vince....bottom line.Another great post :up:

[Ultimate_Superman]

People also tend to forget that Austin is the reason why B. Hart turned Heel in the first place. Also Triple H was great from when he came in and formed DX the problem was Triple H got in trouble by the WWE and was held back, but still made the matches he was in classic.

[0neDisturbedSOB]

And now you can't get rid of him. This fued with Flair is good because for a change he's not in the title picture. It'll be interested to see how it plays out though because apparently Vince is really high on Cena so he has no plans to take the belt off of him anytime soon....wonder how that's going to sit with HHH.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Well he is his Son-in-law and Steph is his wife and Steph pretty much runs Raw so all I say is Triple H needs to just give her some sweet loving and bam he's back in the picture.

[Hunter Rider]

Aww Torrie's gone:( .........oh well we can get some fresh ass in playboy at leasthttp://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif

I was wondering why Boretista was on RAW,i see it's cos Austin has had another tantrum,it was a stupid angle to begin with but like always with Austin he was willing to participate as long as he was made to look more badass than everyone else,
What does it matter if he loses to Coach,it would be a huge screwjob finish anyway so it's not like his make believe reputation will be harmed,it's no different to when HHH jobbed to Vince or HBK jobbed to Hogan

It's time WWE told Austin and Hogan's massive ego's to **** off once and for all and concentrate on the guys there week after week,like Shelton or the guy the morons just lost CC

One bad thing it means we have to see Boretista at TT:(

[LastSunrise1981]

And now you can't get rid of him. This fued with Flair is good because for a change he's not in the title picture. It'll be interested to see how it plays out though because apparently Vince is really high on Cena so he has no plans to take the belt off of him anytime soon....wonder how that's going to sit with HHH.

Oh don't you worry, Ego H will find a way to convince his father-in-law that he deserves the title more and no one else needs to be in his spot.

However, in defense of Ego H, I believe he would give it all up if he could be as popular as Austin, Hogan, Flair, Foley, or The Rock. He would give up the titles, the ego, and his marriage if he could be on their level in terms of popularity and that's what eats at him.

He knows he'll never be at their level; which is why he constantly has to win the title or hogs up television time.

Hey, maybe he'll quit the WWE like Christian did. :up: Instead I won't miss Ego H, I miss Christian already and hope he goes to TNA.

[TheVileOne]

Screw Austin seriously. How does WWE keep taking crap like this from him? This is NOT the first time he's walked out on them because he wasn't happy with this or that. Please. Just saying, you don't see a lot of other workers walking out because of petty ****. Its not like Austin is a regular working and is trying to protect his credibility as a worker.

As for the Rock, Austin may have been popular and brought wrestling to new heights, but he never had the following, mainstream, or crossover appeal that the Rock does.

[Hunter Rider]

Source: PWInsider.com

It's said that the firing of Torrie Wilson has been planned for quite some time. Specifically, almost ever since the release of her husband, Billy Kidman.

There were reports a while back that Torrie had gotten a big head after the playboy photo shoots, which certainly could have lead to some WWE high-ups being put off by her behind the scenes.

[TheVileOne]

Well, we know Trish Stratus is going to eventually get fired when she poses for playboy.

[Keyser Soze]

Screw Austin seriously. How does WWE keep taking crap like this from him? This is NOT the first time he's walked out on them because he wasn't happy with this or that. Please. Just saying, you don't see a lot of other workers walking out because of petty ****. Its not like Austin is a regular working and is trying to protect his credibility as a worker.

As for the Rock, Austin may have been popular and brought wrestling to new heights, but he never had the following, mainstream, or crossover appeal that the Rock does.

Sorry, can't blame Austin this time. Yeah, not jobbing to Brock Lesnar, fair enough that they're angry for him about that. But jobbing to The Coach? What are they thinking? There are midcarders in the company whose credibility would be ruined by doing the job to a part-time announcer. If that's what they were bringing him back for, Austin is right in this case to walk out.

Its stupid decisions like this that make me more and more sick of the WWE.

[Hunter Rider]

Sorry, can't blame Austin this time. Yeah, not jobbing to Brock Lesnar, fair enough that they're angry for him about that. But jobbing to The Coach? What are they thinking? There are midcarders in the company whose credibility would be ruined by doing the job to a part-time announcer. If that's what they were bringing him back for, Austin is right in this case to walk out.

Its stupid decisions like this that make me more and more sick of the WWE.

It's no different to HHH jobbing to Vince or HBK jobbing to Hogan,plus in this case Coach was gonna have 3 wrestlers help him win so it wasn't like he was going over clean,Austin is just a prima donna who likes everything his own way

[Hunter Rider]

From WWE.com:

Earlier today, former ECW announcer Joey Styles was spotted backstage at Taboo Tuesday.

WWE.com: Why are you here and who invited you?
Joey Styles: I was invited by Kevin Dunn (Executive Vice President of WWE Television Production). Because Jonathan Coachman will be getting his head kicked in during his match tonight, there was an opening at the announce table, so I was brought in for the night to do play-by-play. Being a huge Internet wrestling fan, I couldn't think of anything that would be more fun than Taboo Tuesday ? the interactive pay-per-view. I think it's a great idea to have fans pick the stipulations for the matches. I'm a little surprised the fans didn't get to choose an announcer for Taboo Tuesday, but I like to think that if fans did get to choose, they would have chosen me.

WWE.com: What do you think lead WWE to calling you?
Styles: I'm sure the decision to call me was made a few seconds after WWE's original choice realized he didn't know enough about professional wrestling to fill the shoes of Jim Ross, even for one night.

WWE.com: At this point, do you know if this is another "one night stand" for you? Or is this a permanent move for you into the RAW announce booth?
Styles: As far as I know, this is another one night stand, which is funny because I was never the most successful single person in the world. The only pickup line that ever worked for me was "Will you marry me?" So I've now had two one night stands in one calendar year, which is probably more than I had in my entire single life.

WWE.com: At this point, has WWE told you anything about your future past Taboo Tuesday?
Styles: First of all, I want to say that I think Jim Ross was the greatest play-by-play man there has ever been in professional wrestling. I don't think anybody could fill his shoes, his hat or his headset. But I'd like to think if somebody can, it would be me. It would be an honor. As far as I know, though, I was brought in for one evening because Coach cannot wrestle and do play-by-play at the same time, and some would argue that he can't do either. So I'm just here for the one night. I'll be doing play-by-play tonight. Then I'll be on a plane, going back to my anonymous career in advertising sales in Atlanta. While I'm here, though, I'll be sure to check out catering. The cheese plate was exquisite in New York at One Night Stand. I can't wait to see what it looks like here in California.

WWE.com: What will it be like working with Jerry Lawler?
Styles: I have not seen The King since ECW Hardcore Heaven when he battled Tommy Dreamer. I've never had the opportunity to work with him in the broadcast booth. I'm looking forward to it because he's a lot of fun.

WWE.com: If you had to pick a broadcast partner, who would be your dream color man?
Styles: I would rather slide over and do color and sit beside Jim Ross. He's the best there's ever been. Seniority means something in this business and I would be honored to sit next to good ol' Jim Ross.

WWE.com: Do you have any thoughts on the way that J.R. was let go?
Styles: I think it took great restraint on his part not to take a swing at the McMahons. I've got somewhat of an undeserved reputation of being a loose cannon, which is usually reserved for wrestlers. I've been put in some compromising positions. I've probably been beat up and bounced around as much as any other play-by-play man, but to take that much abuse by three members of that family after everything that has happened to him over the years, I'm surprised he didn't say "to hell with my job" and start swinging.

WWE.com: What have you been up to since One Night Stand?
Styles: About a year-and-a-half ago, I moved from my hometown in Stamford, Conn., coincidentally enough, and took a job with an advertising agency in Atlanta. Most people don't realize that ECW wasn't a full-time job for me. It looks like it is because you're on TV once a week, but a lot of it was post-produced out of a studio in New York. So I always had a full-time job in advertising sales. When ECW ceased operations and I was unable to come to terms with WWE, I went back to my career.

So basically, I'm under contract now to WWE as the ECW announcer and I'm available at the company's convenience. When they need me, they take the hammer and break the glass box that says "in case of an emergency, and you need an announcer, break glass."

[Hunter Rider]

Despite Joey saying he isn't gonna be RAW's announcer........



Source: The Observer

To update the Joey Styles situation further, he was flown out today to meet with Vince McMahon and Kevin Dunn about taking over the lead announce position on RAW. There is talk that if all goes well he could debut as soon as tonight's PPV. This is pretty shocking as just a few days ago the WWE office had no interest in using him. Styles has also always said he would never return to wrestling full-time and would always work for his website.

The feeling now is that they will drop the Jim Ross storyline due to the Steve Austin falling out. Jim Ross' job will not be on the line during tonight's PPV.

Styles is now believed to be the only man WWE thinks can fill Ross' spot as they have not been impressed with The Coach.


The other interview is from WWE.com and I'm guessing it's a work,hopefully this means Joey will be RAW's new #1 announcer and with the Austin angle over the McMahon's may disappear to....silver lining time IMO

[Hunter Rider]

The following has been released on WWE.com:

Over the past 24 hours, numerous Internet reports have claimed that Torrie Wilson has been released by World Wrestling Entertainment.

These reports are false. Upon returning home from RAW's trip to Australia, Torrie alerted WWE that she needed to stay home to tend to some personal issues. As a result, Torrie will not be at the Taboo Tuesday pay-per-view.

[Colossal Spoons]

As for the Rock, Austin may have been popular and brought wrestling to new heights, but he never had the following, mainstream, or crossover appeal that the Rock does.

My point exactly. Aside from actual wrestling ability, cutting promos is another area where Rocky far surpasses Austin. I could mute the TV and pretty much guess what Austin was saying, Rocky was coming up with new lines every week. I honestly think that if the MAJORITY of WWE fans weren't middle aged white men, Austin would be nothing compared to what he is today. WWE's target demographic appears to be changing so wrestler's success is definately governed by timing.

As for who the new demographic is, I'm guessing it's men in their 20s. More and more diva airtime and moving SD to Fridays to allow "college kids to watch wrestling and still go out"(according to Michael Cole) makes it look that way.

[Hunter Rider]

Source: PWTorch.com

Tonight is basically a tryout for Joey Styles. If he does well, then he'll likely be signed to a WWE deal to become the lead RAW announcer. Styles lived in Stamford, CT for years but recently relocated to Atlanta, GA to take up a full-time job in sales. The two sides would need to reach an agreement after tonight if all goes well.

[The Ghoul]

I hope Joey Styles gets signed. He truley is the "fresh faced" guy Vince wants. He was just in denile about it because he apparently has a grudge against anyone who acheived fame else where. Aside from Benoit & Eddie, there is not one big champ that wasn't WWE bred.

[0neDisturbedSOB]

Screw Austin seriously. How does WWE keep taking crap like this from him? This is NOT the first time he's walked out on them because he wasn't happy with this or that. Please. Just saying, you don't see a lot of other workers walking out because of petty ****. Its not like Austin is a regular working and is trying to protect his credibility as a worker.

As for the Rock, Austin may have been popular and brought wrestling to new heights, but he never had the following, mainstream, or crossover appeal that the Rock does.

That's because The Rock left wrestling to make movies, Austin didn't. The Rock can't even begin to fathom the popularity in WRESTLING that Austin achieved....Austin even did the job for The Rock the last time they were in the ring together, thus making him even bigger.

Austin & Hogan are THE 2 BIGGEST names in wrestling period.

[Sarge 2.0]

That part's cool with me. :up:Eh, I'm one of the few people here besides yourself that enjoys Batista...but in comparison to seeing the guy who got me watching wrestling in my childhood? No contest. Stone Cold was "da coolest" for me way back in my tender years when my eyes would be glued to the tube to see what he would do next, so it's just sentimentality that's got me all worked up.

[0neDisturbedSOB]

It's no different to HHH jobbing to Vince or HBK jobbing to Hogan,plus in this case Coach was gonna have 3 wrestlers help him win so it wasn't like he was going over clean,Austin is just a prima donna who likes everything his own way

It's completely different....HBK putting over a LEGEND, and Austin putting over an ANNOUNCER?? sorry but I'm not seeing the similarities at all. Austin's also jobbed to Vince as well, and so have a ton of other wrestlers...it's nothing new.

I can't blame Austin.

[The Batman]

I really wish people would get their facts straight on Austin.

For one thing, he DOES have wrestling ability, especially when he was the ringmaster, not to mention he shown his skill in matches with benoit and angle.

and two, like someone else said, the Rock only has mainstream populartiy because he left to do movies. Even Vince Mcmahon said that the rock was no stone cold steve austin.

I cant believe you guys are actually whining about Austin jobbing to a guy with no wrestling ability.

and how the hell can you compare HHH jobbing to vince as an example? for one, hes the freaking boss. number two, HHH got the title later on anyway. Not only would Austin lose to coach, but he found out that they werent planning on bringing JR back. so this whole storyline is a waste of time.

And some of you make it look like Austin never likes to job. Hello? Did anyone see Austin job in his LAST WRESTLING MATCH?

[Sabretooth]

I don't know why you guys are arguing about it.This isn't the first time someone has done something like this.It would've been a crappy match anyway.

[Twitch]

It's completely different....HBK putting over a LEGEND, and Austin putting over an ANNOUNCER?? sorry but I'm not seeing the similarities at all. Austin's also jobbed to Vince as well, and so have a ton of other wrestlers...it's nothing new.

I can't blame Austin.

Sorry, but putting over a 50 year man who can barely lift his leg for the finisher, not to mention having a big ego, that so many wrestlers despise him.
He is a Legend for the 80's. But don't forget Hogan used backstage politics to get the victories he doesn't need or doesn't deserve. HBK should be setting people up for great careers like Shelton and RVD not Hogan :down

My opinion

[The Batman]

Oh don't you worry, Ego H will find a way to convince his father-in-law that he deserves the title more and no one else needs to be in his spot.

However, in defense of Ego H, I believe he would give it all up if he could be as popular as Austin, Hogan, Flair, Foley, or The Rock. He would give up the titles, the ego, and his marriage if he could be on their level in terms of popularity and that's what eats at him.

He knows he'll never be at their level; which is why he constantly has to win the title or hogs up television time.

Hey, maybe he'll quit the WWE like Christian did. :up: Instead I won't miss Ego H, I miss Christian already and hope he goes to TNA.


another excellent point.

notice how HHH defines himself as being the one who "Beat the best". Thats because he'll never be the best. guys like Austin, Rock, Michaels, Foley, Taker-- all those guys can get a crowd. not HHH.

[Sabretooth]

another excellent point.

notice how HHH defines himself as being the one who "Beat the best". Thats because he'll never be the best. guys like Austin, Rock, Michaels, Foley, Taker-- all those guys can get a crowd. not HHH.
That's why he's starting to star in movies.Because he thinks what happened to The Rock is gonna happen to him.But,I'm not gonna get into a huge HHH debate,considering they go nowhere.:o

[Blue Dragoon]

HHH is a good wrestler but he is really cocky.....but i cant wait to sewe what hjappens tonight on taboo tuesday.....HHH is gonna get his ass kicked by ric flair.

[Blue Dragoon]

woops posted twice

[The Batman]

That's why he's starting to star in movies.Because he thinks what happened to The Rock is gonna happen to him.But,I'm not gonna get into a huge HHH debate,considering they go nowhere.:o

you know, people like to defend HHH and bash austin, and now i'm kinda pissed. Because HHH will never be the full package austin is. HHH was the star of Raw during 2003, ratings were bad. people booed because of his 20 minute promos. People like to trash talk austin for not jobbing to lesnar and the friggin coach, but how many people Trip's held down? RVD.Booker T.Kane. Chris Jericho(and during his freaking prime. this guy was hot in 2000. only became the first undisputed champ cauise trips tore his quad). Any one of those guys couldve been champ.

Austin is ten times more exciting than HHH is. The only time people have been excited for HHH is when he returned in 2002, and people quickly got bored of him. HHH only looks good when he's facing the all stars.

[0neDisturbedSOB]

My point exactly. Aside from actual wrestling ability, cutting promos is another area where Rocky far surpasses Austin. I could mute the TV and pretty much guess what Austin was saying, Rocky was coming up with new lines every week. I honestly think that if the MAJORITY of WWE fans weren't middle aged white men, Austin would be nothing compared to what he is today. WWE's target demographic appears to be changing so wrestler's success is definately governed by timing.

As for who the new demographic is, I'm guessing it's men in their 20s. More and more diva airtime and moving SD to Fridays to allow "college kids to watch wrestling and still go out"(according to Michael Cole) makes it look that way.

The Rock has used the same old "If ya smell..." (where he takes 20min to say "smell", "most electifying...", anything to do with "pie"...etc. Rock spit out the same old catchphrases week after week, you could ALWAYS mute your TV and know just what he was saying because he usually took the first 20-30min of the show to say it.

Rock was entertaining but I was never excited by his matches....he was always more of a comedic relief and Austin was more of a serious character. In the beginning Austin never joked, smiled or laughed...he was a no BS guy that did his "job" and left....that's the beauty of his character, he made a cut and dry character EXCITING, Rock always needed someone else to bounce his jokes off of which got old real fast.

I hate that all Champion faces have to become light hearted, comedians. When Batista first joined Evolution he was silent and he was a monster, very similar to what Brock did....now he's hugging Eddie and buying him lowriders....I still like him, but for once I would like to see an intense face champ that doesn't need to smile and joke in every interview....Austin was a heel that people loved, his face turn wasn't intentional at all but people loved the intensity of the character....it seems like that magic was ended with him.

[Colossal Spoons]

Rocky wasn't always a jokester. You alluded to his earlier days as Rocky Maivia with the Nation of Domination. He wasn't crackin jokes then; that was HHH/DX's job. And look at Austin nowadays with his Stephanie's a man jokes and let's not forget about WHAT? WHAT? WHAT? Zzzzzzzzzzzz. Rocky's matches were way more entertaining than Austin's. For one, he's in WAY better shape and two, he can brawl and grapple. Austin always comes back to a Lou Thezs press or a turnbuckle stomp. Rocky had a pretty nice sharpshooter and his spinebuster was powerful and charismatic.

It's safe to say that the WWE uses comedy to break people in but most people start off serious like Austin, Rock and especially Cena.

[Eric Draven]

Screw Austin seriously. How does WWE keep taking crap like this from him? This is NOT the first time he's walked out on them because he wasn't happy with this or that. Please. Just saying, you don't see a lot of other workers walking out because of petty ****. Its not like Austin is a regular working and is trying to protect his credibility as a worker.

As for the Rock, Austin may have been popular and brought wrestling to new heights, but he never had the following, mainstream, or crossover appeal that the Rock does.

Yep. I still remember that match Austin was to have against Scott Hall at Wrestlemania. The original outcome was to have Nash interfere and cost Austin the match, this would necessitate the need for the roster split. But Austin whined about having to job to Hall and as a result, not only did the nWo look a bit dumb because they had zero victories since they debuted in the WWE, but they had to come up with some lameass excuse for the roster split thereafter.

[The Batman]

Rocky wasn't always a jokester. You alluded to his earlier days as Rocky Maivia with the Nation of Domination. He wasn't crackin jokes then; that was HHH/DX's job. And look at Austin nowadays with his Stephanie's a man jokes and let's not forget about WHAT? WHAT? WHAT? Zzzzzzzzzzzz. Rocky's matches were way more entertaining than Austin's. For one, he's in WAY better shape and two, he can brawl and grapple. Austin always comes back to a Lou Thezs press or a turnbuckle stomp. Rocky had a pretty nice sharpshooter and his spinebuster was powerful and charismatic.

It's safe to say that the WWE uses comedy to break people in but most people start off serious like Austin, Rock and especially Cena.


Have you seen ANY of Austin's matches?

[The Batman]

Rocky wasn't always a jokester. You alluded to his earlier days as Rocky Maivia with the Nation of Domination. He wasn't crackin jokes then; that was HHH/DX's job. And look at Austin nowadays with his Stephanie's a man jokes and let's not forget about WHAT? WHAT? WHAT? Zzzzzzzzzzzz. Rocky's matches were way more entertaining than Austin's. For one, he's in WAY better shape and two, he can brawl and grapple. Austin always comes back to a Lou Thezs press or a turnbuckle stomp. Rocky had a pretty nice sharpshooter and his spinebuster was powerful and charismatic.

It's safe to say that the WWE uses comedy to break people in but most people start off serious like Austin, Rock and especially Cena.


Have you seen ANY of Austin's matches? Austin Vs Hart at WM13 is already in the history books. I cant remember a rock match that'll be as memorable.

[Eric Draven]

I have to agree though that at the very beginning, Austin was a pretty good wrestler. Hell, weren't him and Pillman a high-flying team back in WCW?

But two bad knees and that neck injury sustained in that IC title match with Owen Hart forced him to be a bit more one-dimensional.....

[Colossal Spoons]

Have you seen ANY of Austin's matches? Austin Vs Hart at WM13 is already in the history books. I cant remember a rock match that'll be as memorable.

I'm not saying that Austin is bad; just that he's not as athletic as Rocky. Maybe that's due to injuries or whatever but it's the truth. Memorable matches and popularity have everything to do with timing. Did Rock get a chance to wrestle as many legends as Austin did? No. Both of his matches with Hogan were average at best all thanks to Hogan being about as athletic as your tyical 500yr old.

[The Batman]

Athletic dont mean better. People like to rag on austins style, but what did Rock do? Slap-punch, slap-punch, DDT, A Samoan Drop(Which used to be good, until he started messing it up), a spinebuster, rock bottom and a People's Elbow. Not to mention the crappy sharpshooter he did where he looked like he was in more pain than the guy who was actually in the sharpshooter....

[Colossal Spoons]

It's a shame that athleticism means nothing these days. But for the record, I never said Rocky was better just because of his athleticism. Are you really going to say that Austin had more moves than The Rock? Rocky's sharpshooter had it's bad days, I'll admit that but what has the Stunner deteriorated into?

What you said about Rocky's sharpshooter is the same thing that Flair does with his figure four. Do you not like Flair's figure four because he sold it well like Rocky?

And Austin is easily replaceable. His rebel attitude is being done by Cena and his finisher to an extent is being done by Randy Orton. Who has even come close to being the wordsmith that the Rock was. Vince is really trying with Carlito but it ain't happenin'.

[Hunter Rider]

It's completely different....HBK putting over a LEGEND, and Austin putting over an ANNOUNCER?? sorry but I'm not seeing the similarities at all. Austin's also jobbed to Vince as well, and so have a ton of other wrestlers...it's nothing new.

I can't blame Austin.

when did Austin ever put over Vince ? and when for that matter did putting over a pathetic 50 year old man who can barely walk (CLEAN i might add) not constitute humiliating ?
Austin is probably the most selfish wrestler in history,all he had to do was show up for the ppl that support him and lose 4 on 1 and then he couldv'e still stunned them all and had a beer but no his ego says **** you to the fans

[Hunter Rider]

This thread is hilarious,Austin has a list of buried guys as long as New Jacks rap sheet

As for the whole Austin/Rock debate i couldn't give a crap but i know if i had to watch there matches again I'd choose Rocks any day of the week,Austin once he hurt his neck at SS97 had maybe 4 more good matches the rest of his career and he loved wrestling Rock cos Rock sold him like no one else

[Colossal Spoons]

This thread has really pointed out to me how much the WWE brushes off talent and clings to wrestlers with gimmicks. I'm praying that it's just a long slump and that one day, we'll have a show full of Rocks, Benjamins, Angles, Jerichos, Benoits, and RVDs. Heck, I even miss Backlund. :(

[Eric Draven]

This thread is hilarious,Austin has a list of buried guys as long as New Jacks rap sheet


That's been done a lot with a lot of the top guys from the WWE - from Hulk Hogan to Shawn Michaels (initially) to Steve Austin to Triple H.

In fact, I think the only few wrestlers that really haven't buried talent are people like Bret Hart, The Rock, Kurt Angle, Mick Foley.....:confused:

[Hunter Rider]

This thread has really pointed out to me how much the WWE brushes off talent and clings to wrestlers with gimmicks. I'm praying that it's just a long slump and that one day, we'll have a show full of Rocks, Sheltons, Jerichos, Benoits, and RVDs.
We can but hope:up:
Whats sad in here is that the thread is full of fanboy ranting and not one objective point has been made

HHH,Austin,Hogan are all selfish bastards and non of them deserve defending and no wrestlign fan can truthfuly deny that these 3 have hurt the buissness repeatedly with their Ego's

[Hunter Rider]

That's been done a lot with a lot of the top guys from the WWE - from Hulk Hogan to Shawn Michaels (initially) to Steve Austin to Triple H.

In fact, I think the only few wrestlers that really haven't buried talent are people like Bret Hart, The Rock, Kurt Angle, Mick Foley.....:confused:

thats what i said in my next post ,i just got tired of the Saint Austin talk in here:)

[Eric Draven]

thats what i said in my next post ,i just got tired of the Saint Austin talk in here:)

I have to admit, Austin was good in 1998 because he helped to bring fans back into the WWE after WCW beat them around in the ratings for a good year.

But in that process, Austin developed a huge head and started to bury talent. And kinda ironic because it was Hogan who buried Austin in WCW. I thought Austin would've learned his lesson after what happened to him.....

[Colossal Spoons]

HHH,Austin,Hogan are all selfish bastards and non of them deserve defending and no wrestlign fan can truthfuly deny that these 3 have hurt the buissness repeatedly with their Ego's

While watching the Ultimate Warrior DVD, I couldn't help but sigh at the hypocrisy of Vince when he was talking about not putting up with selfish wrestlers by booting Warrior after his walk-out threat. Seems that Vince has been not only putting up with them, he's letting them marry his daughter. :rolleyes:

On a side note, I'm really counting on Mr.Kennedy to be the next well rounded superstar. He's got charisma and athleticism unlike certain people :coughMasterpiececough:

[Hunter Rider]

I have to admit, Austin was good in 1998 because he helped to bring fans back into the WWE after WCW beat them around in the ratings for a good year.

But in that process, Austin developed a huge head and started to bury talent. And kinda ironic because it was Hogan who buried Austin in WCW. I thought Austin would've learned his lesson after what happened to him.....

Exactly,non of these guys hands are clean,they all have buried talent on their conscience the only difference is The only clean job Austin ever did was to The Rock in the last match both of them had as Austin retired and Rock went to do movies after jobbing to Goldberg

[Hunter Rider]

While watching the Ultimate Warrior DVD, I couldn't help but sigh at the hypocrisy of Vince when he was talking about not putting up with selfish wrestlers by booting Warrior after his walk-out threat. Seems that Vince has been not only putting up with them, he's letting them marry his daughter. :rolleyes:

LOL true,But at least HHH has always showed up when he said he would and he also jobbed clean 3 PPV's in a row to Batista to help make him,Austin and Hogan never helped anyone

[Colossal Spoons]

HHH even jobbed Eugene and boosted Shelton a lot so his refusal to put people over isn't his main problem. It's his annoying ability to regain the title within weeks of returning and holding onto it for years.

[Eric Draven]

I think of all the WWE main eventers, The Rock is the best example of someone who would job to anybody. He's jobbed the WWE title to Mick Foley, Kurt Angle, and Brock Lesner. Three guys who were up to that point, not even considered WWE championship material. Yet, The Rock jobbed to all three of them :up:

[Sarge 2.0]

....Austin...selfish [bastard] and [does not] deserve defending....Your words wound me :(...but I'm going to agree with you because Austin has been acting like a whiny b**tch for a long time now...and has let me and other long time fans of his down severely due to recent events like last nights Raw...:(

[Eric Draven]

Well there is word now that Austin may've gotten injured while moving furniture over the weekend....although I don't really know why Austin would want to do something like that when a PPV is coming so close...:confused:

[Hunter Rider]

Your words wound me :(...but I'm going to agree with you because Austin has been acting like a whiny b**tch for a long time now...and has let me and other long time fans of his down severely due to recent events like last nights Raw...:(

Well time to move on fella's, Joey Styles in the commentary booth:up: :)
I wonder if anyone will cheer for Cena tonight ? i was shocked how one sided the crowd were in his match on RAW with HBK.:confused:

[Colossal Spoons]

I dunno. I see no reason for HBK to put him over seeing as how he's already the champ so maybe this'll actually come down to a wrestling match. :gasp:

[Hunter Rider]

I dunno. I see no reason for HBK to put him over seeing as how he's already the champ so maybe this'll actually come down to a wrestling match. :gasp:

What i meant though is i was expecting the crowd to be more split,i thought Cena was popular

[Colossal Spoons]

Crowds are fickle like that. Remember Rock/Hogan 1?

[Hunter Rider]

Crowds are fickle like that. Remember Rock.Hogan 1?

true,guess we'll see what happens tonight

[Twitch]

I hope to God, after HHH wins against Flair, they put him in an angle with Shelton.

:thing::marv::ghost:

[Colossal Spoons]

Who, HHH/Benjamin or Flair/Benjamin? I got tired of the HHH/Benjamin thing after Shelton beat him for the 3rd time in a row.

[Eric Draven]

I'd rather see an extended Benjamin/Angle feud than Benjamin/HHH or Benjamin/Flair.....

[Sabretooth]

Too bad they have absolutely no interest in Benjamin.

[punishermax]

Taboo Tuesday has actually been pretty damn good so far. Other than the first match, all the other ones were prett good, hell even the Diva match had its high points.

[0neDisturbedSOB]

Rocky wasn't always a jokester. You alluded to his earlier days as Rocky Maivia with the Nation of Domination. He wasn't crackin jokes then; that was HHH/DX's job. And look at Austin nowadays with his Stephanie's a man jokes and let's not forget about WHAT? WHAT? WHAT? Zzzzzzzzzzzz. Rocky's matches were way more entertaining than Austin's. For one, he's in WAY better shape and two, he can brawl and grapple. Austin always comes back to a Lou Thezs press or a turnbuckle stomp. Rocky had a pretty nice sharpshooter and his spinebuster was powerful and charismatic.

It's safe to say that the WWE uses comedy to break people in but most people start off serious like Austin, Rock and especially Cena.

Have you seen some of Austin's matches? the match against HBK was CLASSIC, not to mention the one he had against Benoit....man that was one of the best I've ever seen.

Rocky wasn't always in good shape, remember he did have pockets of fat sucked from his chest to help give him a more chiseled look, besides comparing the 2 of them in their prime is like comparing apples and oranges....look at Austin in the Got Milk? ad and tell me he wasn't in prime shape.

Austin as a whole is 10x more entertaining than The Rock. Without Austin, The Rock wouldn't be who he is today....he NEEDED Austin to catapult him to the level he's at now.

[punishermax]

Cena......won. Dammit!

[punishermax]

Cena got booed....big time. I think the WWE is starting to realize that Cena isn't what they wanted him to be by now because he spent most of the match outside the ring and let Angle and HBK duke it out.

[0neDisturbedSOB]

when did Austin ever put over Vince ? and when for that matter did putting over a pathetic 50 year old man who can barely walk (CLEAN i might add) not constitute humiliating ?
Austin is probably the most selfish wrestler in history,all he had to do was show up for the ppl that support him and lose 4 on 1 and then he couldv'e still stunned them all and had a beer but no his ego says **** you to the fans

When Vince won the Royal Rumble that was held at the pond (I was there) the 2 of them were in the ring together and Vince tossed him out to win the whole thing.

I thought you always claimed Hogan was the most selfish wrestler of all time??

Austin put The Rock over in his LAST MATCH....how the hell is that even remotely selfish?

I don't see how he's saying f**k you to anyone because he doesn't want his character to be tarnished by jobbing to an announcer...it's called dignity, he already went along with the "Vince's cronie" angle where he was singing, let the man at least have this much.

[NDX]

Looks like the final match will set up a match between Angle and Cena at Survivor Series, which will hopefully see a title change finally.

[Eric Draven]

Cena got booed....big time. I think the WWE is starting to realize that Cena isn't what they wanted him to be by now because he spent most of the match outside the ring and let Angle and HBK duke it out.

A heel turn for Cena would do wonders. Look at what happened with the Rock when he got booed heavily during that Raw 10th Anniversary show. He turned heel and totally refreshed his character. The same could happen with Cena......

[TheVileOne]

Sorry, can't blame Austin this time. Yeah, not jobbing to Brock Lesnar, fair enough that they're angry for him about that. But jobbing to The Coach? What are they thinking? There are midcarders in the company whose credibility would be ruined by doing the job to a part-time announcer. If that's what they were bringing him back for, Austin is right in this case to walk out.

Its stupid decisions like this that make me more and more sick of the WWE.

Big F'N deal. Its a JOKEY GIMMICK MATCH! Austin is NOT a regular worker. It does NOT hurt him. Big f'n deal!

As hunter rider said, HHH jobbed to both Brooklyn Brawler and JR in similar matches. This is NO different.

Austin needs to get over himself.

[Colossal Spoons]

Or just get lost, for good.

[0neDisturbedSOB]

Yeah because we all know Vince is in the business of cutting off his biggest money makers.

It's called smart business boys and girls.

[GLfan]

Looks like Joey Styles will be replacing Jim Ross for good.

[3dman27]

Yeah because we all know Vince is in the business of cutting off his biggest money makers.

It's called smart business boys and girls.
cutting off his biggest source of income is GOOD BUISNESS?
i must not be reading your post right
:spidey: that sounds like bad buisness to me

[White_Howling]

so is stone colds movie deal dead? was he really being an ass again and walked out of wwe again?

[3dman27]

Looks like Joey Styles will be replacing Jim Ross for good.
any relation to aj styles :spidey:

[3dman27]

Source: PWInsider.com

It's said that the firing of Torrie Wilson has been planned for quite some time. Specifically, almost ever since the release of her husband, Billy Kidman.

There were reports a while back that Torrie had gotten a big head after the playboy photo shoots, which certainly could have lead to some WWE high-ups being put off by her behind the scenes.
actually it was anounced that torrie had to go home after returning from the austrialian tour to deal with "personal family issues"
it turns out she WASN'T fired after all :spidey:

[citizenpain]

Rocky had a pretty nice sharpshooter

don't you EVER speak such blasphemy again or i'll call up bret right away and tell him to show you what a REAL sharpshooter looks and feels like. the rock is great and all, but his sharpshooter is lame. he never hooked the legs correctly and never actually sat back to apply pressure. but then again, nobody does that anymore (ie: liontamer?)...

[0neDisturbedSOB]

cutting off his biggest source of income is GOOD BUISNESS?
i must not be reading your post right
:spidey: that sounds like bad buisness to me

I was being sarcastic. Vince will NEVER cut off Austin....he generates too much money for him.

[Not Jake]

don't you EVER speak such blasphemy again or i'll call up bret right away and tell him to show you what a REAL sharpshooter looks and feels like
it looks good and doesn't hurt that much because wrestling is fake?:confused:

[0neDisturbedSOB]

Whoever said that Rock always looked like he was in more pain than the person he was performing the sharpshooter on is 100% accurate. Rock was famous for his humor, not his drama....when he acted "dramatic" it became funny because it was so bad.

I like The Rock, but I still don't think he's in Austin's league.

[Eklypze]

you dont think Rock is in Austins league?? i swear ive never seen what people see in some stupid beer guzzling redneck who has 1 count it 1 good move in his arsenal and who hasnt done anything worth talking about in years you know there is a reason that Rock is off doing movies and all that stuff its because hes actually good he can be versatile Austin is a redneck he was a redneck in The Longest Yard and hell be nothing but a dumbass REDNECK for the rest of his life

[0neDisturbedSOB]

And it's intelligent, well thought out comments that completely validate whatever it is you just said.

[Eklypze]

and i was just sitting here wandering did anyone else see Vader bust his ass getting out of the ring monday night?

[Eklypze]

hey look dude i just hate Austin ive never seen what people see in him i never will i hate redneck and hes a stupid redneck thats as far as it goes for me he might be an ok wrestler he never was a main eventer in my book but he could always tell his boss to kiss his ass with the best of em so he got main events thats all it ever was and now Austin is washed up at least Rock knew when to pretty much give up and do something else but i dont know i dont keep up with the wrestling world as much as i used to so some things im saying probably arent validated i dont know screw it

[LastSunrise1981]

Big F'N deal. Its a JOKEY GIMMICK MATCH! Austin is NOT a regular worker. It does NOT hurt him. Big f'n deal!

As hunter rider said, HHH jobbed to both Brooklyn Brawler and JR in similar matches. This is NO different.

Austin needs to get over himself.

HHH only jobbed to the Brooklyn Brawler due to outside interference from Jericho to enhance their feud, in which Ego H buried Jericho time and time again in their battles.

Plus you have to understand one thing Vile. Austin's character is a tough babyface, he jobs to Coach and he's made to look really weak. Whereas Ego H immediately got his heat back and was booked to be unstoppable.

You cannot compare Ego H or Austin.

I don't blame Austin for refusing to job to Coach.

[0neDisturbedSOB]

hey look dude i just hate Austin ive never seen what people see in him i never will i hate redneck and hes a stupid redneck thats as far as it goes for me he might be an ok wrestler he never was a main eventer in my book but he could always tell his boss to kiss his ass with the best of em so he got main events thats all it ever was and now Austin is washed up at least Rock knew when to pretty much give up and do something else but i dont know i dont keep up with the wrestling world as much as i used to so some things im saying probably arent validated i dont know screw it

If you don't think Austin is/was a main eventer then apparently you don't watch wrestling. Austin is the biggest thing since Hulk Hogan, like I said before even Vince has gone on record as saying that even Hulkamania paled in comparison to the "Stone Cold era".

If you're only point is to call the guy a redneck then you're really not doing anything....it's sort of part of his gimmick you know.

[Eklypze]

dude dont sit there and tell me that i dont watch wrestling you dont know me just because my opinion differs from yours your going to sit there and tell me what i do and dont do? i just dont like Austin hes not that good of a wrestler imo and i dont really think he ever has been and the only reason that the stone cold era was greater than "hulkamania" is because they took place at 2 totally different points in the history of wrestling i mean if Austin is so great then he needs to give up and leave it at that just like alot of the other wrestlers in wwe nowadays need to give up perfect example would be Bret Hart you dont see him trying to make a big come back or anything because he knows that he left his legacy for what it was he didnt end up some old pathetic has been trying to re-live his glory days in the ring thats exactly what Austin needs to do then his legacy would be untouchable but he just keeps making it worst by trying to come back when he isnt going to do anything worth talking about the exact same thing goes for mick foley he is my favorite wrestler of all time and always will be but hes making an ass out of himself trying to regain some of his former glory

[LastSunrise1981]

dude dont sit there and tell me that i dont watch wrestling you dont know me just because my opinion differs from yours your going to sit there and tell me what i do and dont do? i just dont like Austin hes not that good of a wrestler imo and i dont really think he ever has been and the only reason that the stone cold era was greater than "hulkamania" is because they took place at 2 totally different points in the history of wrestling i mean if Austin is so great then he needs to give up and leave it at that just like alot of the other wrestlers in wwe nowadays need to give up perfect example would be Bret Hart you dont see him trying to make a big come back or anything because he knows that he left his legacy for what it was he didnt end up some old pathetic has been trying to re-live his glory days in the ring thats exactly what Austin needs to do then his legacy would be untouchable but he just keeps making it worst by trying to come back when he isnt going to do anything worth talking about the exact same thing goes for mick foley he is my favorite wrestler of all time and always will be but hes making an ass out of himself trying to regain some of his former glory

Bret Hart would still be wrestling if his head wasn't literally kicked off during a match with Goldberg, then add on the fact that he had a stroke, Owen passing away, and his mother and father passing away has taken their toll on him.

He couldn't comeback to wrestling even if he wanted, he's said himself he could literally die if he was to land the wrong way or get hit in the head.

So if Austin and Foley are asses for not giving it up, what does that make Flair then? Hmmm?

[0neDisturbedSOB]

dude dont sit there and tell me that i dont watch wrestling you dont know me just because my opinion differs from yours your going to sit there and tell me what i do and dont do? i just dont like Austin hes not that good of a wrestler imo and i dont really think he ever has been and the only reason that the stone cold era was greater than "hulkamania" is because they took place at 2 totally different points in the history of wrestling i mean if Austin is so great then he needs to give up and leave it at that just like alot of the other wrestlers in wwe nowadays need to give up perfect example would be Bret Hart you dont see him trying to make a big come back or anything because he knows that he left his legacy for what it was he didnt end up some old pathetic has been trying to re-live his glory days in the ring thats exactly what Austin needs to do then his legacy would be untouchable but he just keeps making it worst by trying to come back when he isnt going to do anything worth talking about the exact same thing goes for mick foley he is my favorite wrestler of all time and always will be but hes making an ass out of himself trying to regain some of his former glory

1) Ever heard of a period, paragraph, or run on sentence?

2) Your opinion is your opinion, but you can't argue with FACT. Austin carred the WWF thru the mid-late 1990's....must mean be's better than "crappy".

3) Bret Hart couldn't return if he wanted to. It's like Sunrise said, he literally had his head kicked in by Goldberg, suffered a stroke and has had to deal with a lot of loses in his family.

4) I SERIOUSLY doubt Austin calls Vince and says "hey do you have any work for me??", infact I think it's probably the opposite. Austin has said he's done all he can in wrestling and it's time to move on yet Vince still wants to milk that cash cow for all it's worth. Vince offers Austin large sums of money for his short little stints, and Austin is apparently a smart business man so of course he takes it and does his job.....it's called "SMART BUSINESS".

[Sarge 2.0]

dude dont sit there and tell me that i dont watch wrestling you dont know me just because my opinion differs from yours your going to sit there and tell me what i do and dont do? i just dont like Austin hes not that good of a wrestler imo and i dont really think he ever has been and the only reason that the stone cold era was greater than "hulkamania" is because they took place at 2 totally different points in the history of wrestling i mean if Austin is so great then he needs to give up and leave it at that just like alot of the other wrestlers in wwe nowadays need to give up perfect example would be Bret Hart you dont see him trying to make a big come back or anything because he knows that he left his legacy for what it was he didnt end up some old pathetic has been trying to re-live his glory days in the ring thats exactly what Austin needs to do then his legacy would be untouchable but he just keeps making it worst by trying to come back when he isnt going to do anything worth talking about the exact same thing goes for mick foley he is my favorite wrestler of all time and always will be but hes making an ass out of himself trying to regain some of his former gloryUsing periods and proper English grammar would probably get your point across better. :o

[Keyser Soze]

No matter what you think of Steve Austin now, you cannot deny his important contribution to WWE (or rather, the WWF) and wrestling as a whole. Before the arrival of Austin, WWF had become a joke, being routinely destroyed by WCW in the Monday Night Wars. With Austin came the Attitude era. And without Austin there would have been no Rock, no Degernation X. It's all thanks to him that wrestling reached new heights.

[Eklypze]

i recognize what Austin did for the WWE but that doesnt mean i have to like him and also i didnt know about Brets stroke that really sucks i knew about all the other losses i his family though but my point was just that his legacy has never been tainted by futile comebacks that accomplish nothing and yes whoever mentioned Flair i had him in mind also when i made that post he should have given up after his little stint in WCW but ive never liked Flair much at all

[lionhart]

If they're going to go through with Hogan/Austin at Wrestlemania, then there was no need for Austin to wrestle Coach, and especially job to him. It would ruin the magic that would be Hogan/Austin. Austin did the smart, and right thing because it's just another prank on the crowd about Jim Ross, who'll most likely never get his job back.

And Austin carried WWE through 1998 and 1999. You cannot deny that.

[0neDisturbedSOB]

No matter what you think of Steve Austin now, you cannot deny his important contribution to WWE (or rather, the WWF) and wrestling as a whole. Before the arrival of Austin, WWF had become a joke, being routinely destroyed by WCW in the Monday Night Wars. With Austin came the Attitude era. And without Austin there would have been no Rock, no Degernation X. It's all thanks to him that wrestling reached new heights.

You are 100% correct.

Stone Cold Steve Austin revived the WWF and wrestling in general when it was nothing more than a joke. He's also responsible for the WWF FINALLY beating WCW in the Monday night wars.

Austin is just as, if not more important to the business than ANYONE in the history of wrestling....Hogan and Flair included.

[Colossal Spoons]

Whoever said that Rock always looked like he was in more pain than the person he was performing the sharpshooter on is 100% accurate. Rock was famous for his humor, not his drama....when he acted "dramatic" it became funny because it was so bad.

I like The Rock, but I still don't think he's in Austin's league.

Th Rock's sharpshooter was different because of that reason. Like I said earlier, Flair does the same thing with his F4.

I'm pretty sure we can agree that Rocky is way more athletic than Austin, so let's move on to the other aspect of wrestling, acting. Another area that Rocky FAR excels over Austin. Austin has a redneck gimmick; that's true but he even plays a redneck on TV/movies.....wow. Rocky is the most versatile wrestler turned actor ever. He even went as far as to play a gay man, and he was damn convincing. I used to like Austin but the rebel thing got old VERY fast. Austin is the kind of wrestler that it makes no diff whether he's a face or heel; people just cheer for him blindly. I've seen the Rock get booed and have the crowd roar for him.

[0neDisturbedSOB]

Rock has made a string of bad movies....I'd hardly bring his "acting skills" into play in this discussion. I can honestly say the only movie I've enjoyed of his was "Walking Tall" and that was because all he had to do was play a hard ass character. Doom is a joke, Be Cool was ridiculous, and let's not touch the Scorpion King.

No one is agreeing with you about The Rock being more athletic or a better "actor" than Austin. BTW, when an actor plays a certain type of character it's called playing to their strenghts....ever heard of Arnold, Stallone, Bruce Willis....etc...they are ALWAYS WAY more successful when they are playing action roles....get it?

The Rock has charisma, but that does not mean he's a good actor.

[Colossal Spoons]

Acting skills aren't part of a discussion about who's the better wrestler? I thought pro wrestling was a mixture of athleticism and acting. Maybe that's why you like Austin so much; the no mic skills brawler type appeals to you.

So you basically just admitted that Austin has 1 strength because he's ALWAYS the redneck. an actor playing the same role over and over isn't playing to their strengths, it's called being one-dimensional. I never said the Rock's movies were awesome, I said he was a good actor. The fact that he could play a bounty hunter, Egyptian warrior, ex-marine, alien hunter, AND a gay man just shows that he was more acting talent in his little finger than Austin has in his whole body.

Arnold and Stallone? Cuz those guys have no bad movies :rolleyes: They're just like Austin. Austin is the redneck who beats you up, Stallone is the Italian who beats you up, and Arnold is the Austrian who beats you up. Not much talent there.

[Eklypze]

im sorry SOB but i totally agree with spoons Be Cool was a great movie and like he said Rock is a vesatile actor Austin will never play nothing but rednecks i havent seen DOOM yet but i want to i think it will be great but then again my opinion always differs from SOBs

[0neDisturbedSOB]

So because he played all of those roles means he's diverse?? hahaha call me crazy but you wouldn't call someone diverse unless they could pull off all of those roles WELL. Tom Hanks is deverse, Al Pacino is diverse, hell even Jim Carrey is diverse....but The Rock?? you must be joking.

In the WWE he played ONE character, sometimes he was with the fans and sometimes he wasn't but the character was ALWAYS the same.

The Rock is diverse....now I've heard it all.

[0neDisturbedSOB]

im sorry SOB but i totally agree with spoons Be Cool was a great movie and like he said Rock is a vesatile actor Austin will never play nothing but rednecks i havent seen DOOM yet but i want to i think it will be great but then again my opinion always differs from SOBs

The movie dropped off 70% of it's audience in ONE WEEK....that sound great to you?

For someone that criticizes rednecks, you sure to have that redneck speech down...."he will never play NOTHING but redneck"??

[Super_Ludacris]

Rock has shown great potential as both an action and comedic actor..........but Be Cool sucked lol

[Eklypze]

oh yeah im a self hating redneck you got me now my life is over my secret is out wwaaaahhhhh!!!! haha yeah right

[Eklypze]

and besides i meant his acting is diverse dumbass

[Eric Draven]

Wow...this thread got pretty hostile :confused:

[punishermax]

What the hell happened to this thread? Last night was the first WWE PPV that delivered in a long time and people in here are arguing if The Rock or Austin are better than the other. Did I just time travel to '99? :confused:

[lionhart]

You think that delivered? Did you even watch in '99 - '01?

[Eric Draven]

It always happens. People have differing opinions about which wrestler is the best. Some people say The Rock, some say AUstin, and some say Triple H.


And I'm surprised though that Taboo Tuesday was considered an okay PPV, considering some of the last-minute changes that had to be made to it....

[Colossal Spoons]

I'm not really arguing with anybody, just having a discussion with OnedisturbedSOB.

I understand people like different wrestlers for different reasons. I totally understand why Austin appeals to you, I just can't relate. Heck, I like Batista and Mr.Kennedy and none of my friends can seem to understand why. It's just that when you said Austin saved the WWF all by himself; I feel like he had some help(The Rock, HHH, etc.) I will put Stone Cold's fans on par with Hogans ONLY because of their numbers. Austin fans will NEVER EVER be as passionate as Hulkamaniacs. I had a lump in my throat at Summerslam when I saw him in person because he was a huge part of my childhood and I'm sure some kid out there feels the same way about Stone Cold.

And for the record, Be Cool and Scorpion King did suck...A LOT; but not due to The Rock's acting lol.

[punishermax]

You think that delivered? Did you even watch in '99 - '01?

Yeah, I did think it delivered, for a WWE PPV, and yes I did watch '99-'01, just as I did '91-'05.

[punishermax]

You think that delivered? Did you even watch in '99 - '01?

Also, '99-'01, did not have the best wrestling, it was the most popular, but the WWE in '04 was by far the better year for wrestling for the "wrestling" fan, not the "sports entertainment" fan.

[Eric Draven]

I'm not really arguing with anybody, just having a discussion with OnedisturbedSOB.

I understand people like different wrestlers for different reasons. I totally understand why Austin appeals to you, I just can't relate. Heck, I like Batista and Mr.Kennedy and none of my friends can seem to understand why. It's just that when you said Austin saved the WWF all by himself; I feel like he had some help(The Rock, HHH, etc.) I will put Stone Cold's fans on par with Hogans ONLY because of their numbers. Austin fans will NEVER EVER be as passionate as Hulkamaniacs. I had a lump in my throat at Summerslam when I saw him in person because he was a huge part of my childhood and I'm sure some kid out there feels the same way about Stone Cold.

And for the record, Be Cool and Scorpion King did suck...A LOT; but not due to The Rock's acting lol.

Actually, looking at it, Austin would've never have saved the WWE from the brink by himself. He had a great heel opponent in Vince McMahon. Vince was the reason why the fans cheered for Austin even more. They wanted to see Austin beat the odds and destroy the current opponent Vince had set out in Austin's way, whether it was Dude Love, or Kane, or Undertaker. If Austin didn't have an opponent like Vince McMahon, it would've never worked out. So yeah, you could also say Vince McMahon had a huge part in saving the WWE :o

[Hunter Rider]

When Vince won the Royal Rumble that was held at the pond (I was there) the 2 of them were in the ring together and Vince tossed him out to win the whole thing.

I thought you always claimed Hogan was the most selfish wrestler of all time??

Austin put The Rock over in his LAST MATCH....how the hell is that even remotely selfish?

I don't see how he's saying f**k you to anyone because he doesn't want his character to be tarnished by jobbing to an announcer...it's called dignity, he already went along with the "Vince's cronie" angle where he was singing, let the man at least have this much.


Being thrown out of the Rumble with help from The Rock isn't jobbing to anyone and btw Austin did nothing special in jobbing his last match,if youv'e ever watched Beyond the Mat and listened to Terry Funk you would know that is what a class act does,he goes out on his back and passes the torch,for once Austin did something with class

And yes he told the fans **** you when he didn't show to deliver stunners and drink a beer and entertain them like he was supposed to and who the hell cares if he lost the match just cos you think he's wonderful doesn't make him anymore special than anyone else that's done things they don't like in wrestling and hell he was gonna lose 4 on 1 that's hardly clean,if you want i can go through Austins entire career and point out how he even tops Hogan as the most selfish guy ever

[lionhart]

if you want i can go through Austins entire career and point out how he even tops Hogan as the most selfish guy ever

Try and do that, and read my post earlier on why Austin made the right choice. Besides he got injured over the weekend anyways.

*Card Subject To Change*

[Hunter Rider]

Wow...this thread got pretty hostile :confused:

Of course Jack it always gets like this when anyone dissess Austin and ODSOB is on

[Hunter Rider]

Try and do that, and read my post earlier on why Austin made the right choice. Besides he got injured over the weekend anyways.

*Card Subject To Change*

you believe he hurt his back lifting furniture ?

and as for the "dream match" at WM22 they can keep it,Hogan is a disgrace

here we go

in 97 when he was coming through three guys helped him get over
Bret Hart,HBK and The Taker

Bret put him over at WM13 ,then HBK disobeyed doctors orders and worked the match at WM14 jobbing clean to Austin and in the process suffering an injury that kept him out for 4 years
At SS the same year the Taker jobbed clean to him,the first time anyone had pinned Taker clean and that cemented Austin's position

What did he give back ? nothing

His head was so big he lost the belt to Kane at KOTR 98 and got it straight back the next night

when it came time for him to lose it he wouldn't be pinned by one man he had to lose in a handicap match to Kane and Taker

in 99 he spent the year making JJ look like a fool cos JR didn't like him,he dropped the belt to Taker and immediately got it back again and then when he was supposed to job to HHH at SS99 he refused and dropped the belt to Foley instead leaving Foley to do alame job to HHH on Raw the next night thus cheapening HHH's first title win

When he returned after neck surgery he was supposed to do the job to The Rock at WM17 and get the belt back from with a heel turn at Backlash,he cried and moaned until Vince agreed to make Rock do the job at WM17

Later the same year he repeatedly refused to lose to Angle and then when he did he took the belt back 3 weeks later before going on to bury RVD who was hotter than him at that point

WM18 he was supposed to lose to Hall to further his angle with the NWO and refused pretty much killing off the NWO

He then followed that with a refusal to job to Brock Lesnar and then walked out leaving Eddie Guerro without and opponent for KOTR and stopping Eddie being involved in the biggest match of his career

[Hunter Rider]

Instead of talking about a guy who isn't even around anymore,did anyone watch Taboo Tuesday ?

[lionhart]

Rock left right after X7 to film a movie. So that argument worked out well. He never refused to job to Angle, WWE only did gave Angle the belt because it needed a patriotic moment after 9/11. Austin and Undertaker were leaders, never had a problem. It would've been pointless to have the Lesnar match unannounced. That's were you're wrong right off the bat, I'll get back to correcting everything else when I have the time.

It's ok to not like Austin, just don't lie about him.

[punishermax]

Instead of talking about a guy who isn't even around anymore,did anyone watch Taboo Tuesday ?

I thought it was a pretty good show, the Inter-promotional tag match sucked, the Handicap match sucked, but other than that the show was pretty good.

[punishermax]

Rock left right after X7 to film a movie. So that argument worked out well. He never refused to job to Angle, WWE only did gave Angle the belt because it needed a patriotic moment after 9/11. Austin and Undertaker were leaders, never had a problem. It would've been pointless to have the Lesnar match unannounced. That's were you're wrong right off the bat, I'll get back to correcting everything else when I have the time.

It's ok to not like Austin, just don't lie about him.

Angle had won the title before 9-11.

[Hunter Rider]

Rock left right after X7 to film a movie. So that argument worked out well. He never refused to job to Angle, WWE only did gave Angle the belt because it needed a patriotic moment after 9/11. Austin and Undertaker were leaders, never had a problem. It would've been pointless to have the Lesnar match unannounced. That's were you're wrong right off the bat, I'll get back to correcting everything else when I have the time.

It's ok to not like Austin, just don't lie about him.

everything i wrote there is the truth,Rock was supposed to go over as Austin went over the first time they met at WM 15.Lesnar was red hot and there was a point in doing the job that's what you do for younger talent
Don't take like he's a saint cos your an Austin fanboy,he is a selfish bastard just like Hogan,just like HBK was and just like HHH,just cos you like him don't deny the truth,his reputation is there and everyone knows it

Oh and the Angle thing,i think Punishermax just pointed out your wrong again but remember the match where Austin didn't do the job clean instead having it a tainted decision by having his hand under the rope when he tapped ?

[Hunter Rider]

I thought it was a pretty good show, the Inter-promotional tag match sucked, the Handicap match sucked, but other than that the show was pretty good.

I enjoyed the triple threat,and even though it stings a bit i'll give HBK credit for jobbing to Cena in what was a very good triple threat IMO

Match of the night though Was the HHH/Flair cage match IMO,the old naitch turned the clock back:up:

[punishermax]

I enjoyed the triple threat,and even though it stings a bit i'll give HBK credit for jobbing to Cena in what was a very good triple threat IMO

Match of the night though Was the HHH/Flair cage match IMO,the old naitch turned the clock back:up:

The triple threat and cage matches were the first time I was genuinely enjoying a PPV main event from the WWE in a long time. When Angle had Cena in the ankle lock, I was actually excited about seeing the outcome.

[Hunter Rider]

The triple threat and cage matches were the first time I was genuinely enjoying a PPV main event from the WWE in a long time. When Angle had Cena in the ankle lock, I was actually excited about seeing the outcome.

Agreed,this is the first WWE PPV in a while Ive actually looked forward to watching,most these days i know are gonna be mediocre before i start

You could definitely tell the crowd wanted Angle to win,even more than HBK,hopefully he will get the strap at Survivor Series but i doubt it

[lionhart]

Angle had won the title before 9-11.

Angle won the title back in 2000. But they gave him the belt again at Unforgiven '01, in his hometown. The date was September 23, so thanks for playing!

No, The Rock was never scheduled to go over at WrestlemaniaX7. Never.

And why give away one of the biggest matches in history, with no buildup and for free? It's bad buisness.

And believe it or not, I'm not an Austin fanboy. I'm all for The Rock, Foley, and Chris Benoit.

[punishermax]

Angle won the title back in 2000. But they gave him the belt again at Unforgiven '01, in his hometown. The date was September 23, so thanks for playing!

No, The Rock was never scheduled to go over at WrestlemaniaX7. Never.

And why give away one of the biggest matches in history, with no buildup and for free? It's bad buisness.

And believe it or not, I'm not an Austin fanboy. I'm all for The Rock, Foley, and Chris Benoit.

Actually, he was.

[punishermax]

Agreed,this is the first WWE PPV in a while Ive actually looked forward to watching,most these days i know are gonna be mediocre before i start

You could definitely tell the crowd wanted Angle to win,even more than HBK,hopefully he will get the strap at Survivor Series but i doubt it

Angle definitely deserves the belt.

[lionhart]

Prove it. Let me prove you wrong like I did on Angle's title win.

[Hunter Rider]

Angle won the title back in 2000. But they gave him the belt again at Unforgiven '01, in his hometown. The date was September 23, so thanks for playing!

No, The Rock was never scheduled to go over at WrestlemaniaX7. Never.

And why give away one of the biggest matches in history, with no buildup and for free? It's bad buisness.

And believe it or not, I'm not an Austin fanboy. I'm all for The Rock, Foley, and Chris Benoit.

The Brock thing is debatable but HHH lost to Shelton on Raw and Foley dropped and won the title on Raw in matches that were just announced in the opening segments of those shows so why couldn't Austin do the same ?

It was reported all over that Austin screwed Rock politically at WM17 the idea was that Austin lose and then either at Backlash or the next night on RAW in his desperation to get the belt back he would join forces with Vince to screw The Rock ,thus making his heel turn,
did you not read all about the aftermath ? the botched screw job cos Rock was pissed and repeatedly kicked out of the stunner and chair shots ?
That finish was ruined due to the way the backstage game had been played,
Instead of a clean heel turn for Ausitn,him and Vince stood there for minutes trying to get Rock to stay down which killed the impact


Look i don't hate Ausitn and i wil freely admit he had some great matches,had huge charisma and was the biggest draw ever,but it doesn't alter the fact he is a selfish bastard

[Hunter Rider]

Angle definitely deserves the belt.

I agree and i think the fans want him to be champ as well but the way they are playing this thing with Cena losing to Angle 3 times i think they are just lining Angle up to put Cena over at Survivor series

[punishermax]

Prove it. Let me prove you wrong like I did on Angle's title win.

You didn't prove me wrong with Angle, I said he won the title before 9-11, I never said he didn't after 9-11, I thought you were saying that Angle won his first title after 9-11.

[0neDisturbedSOB]

Of course Jack it always gets like this when anyone dissess Austin and ODSOB is on

You know, after our last "debate" I would've thought you had learned your lesson. As I recall you turned into Mr. Internet nerd spouting out lines like "do you want me to go back and point out how Austin is the most selfish wrestler of all time?"....oh wait no, you just did that a few posts ago.

Don't get mad at me because you can't keep your s**t straight pal. First you diss Hogan and he's the most selfish wrestler, then I believe it was Flair, now it's Austin....soon it'll be HHH or someone else. Why don't you pick one and stick to it so you stop looking like an idiot and trying to justify your crap.

It's funny....when you defend your favorite wrestler it's supposed to be "valid", but when I or anyone else defends someone you don't like we're automatically wrong because King Nerd over here thinks he can point out instances to prove us wrong....hahaha "hey, I know it's your opinion, but I'm going to prove to you that it's wrong".

Grow up, and move on I don't want to get into this with you all over again...it was amusing once, now it's just sad.

[lionhart]

You didn't prove me wrong with Angle, I said he won the title before 9-11, I never said he didn't after 9-11, I thought you were saying that Angle won his first title after 9-11.

I never said it was his first title win.

[punishermax]

Prove it. Let me prove you wrong like I did on Angle's title win.

Go find old WZ articles before or after WM 17.

[punishermax]

I never said it was his first title win.

I know that, I was stating I read it wrong.

[Hunter Rider]

You know, after our last "debate" I would've thought you had learned your lesson. As I recall you turned into Mr. Internet nerd spouting out lines like "do you want me to go back and point out how Austin is the most selfish wrestler of all time?"....oh wait no, you just did that a few posts ago.

Don't get mad at me because you can't keep your s**t straight pal. First you diss Hogan and he's the most selfish wrestler, then I believe it was Flair, now it's Austin....soon it'll be HHH or someone else. Why don't you pick one and stick to it so you stop looking like an idiot and trying to justify your crap.

It's funny....when you defend your favorite wrestler it's supposed to be "valid", but when I or anyone else defends someone you don't like we're automatically wrong because King Nerd over here things he can point out instances to prove us wrong....hahaha "hey, I know it's your opinion, but I'm going to prove to you that it's wrong".

Grow up.

you didn't read the post where i acknowledged Austins accomplishments did you ?,
HHH,Hogan,Ausitn are all selfish bastards,HBK was one and so was Flair but they all lost to someone clean in their prime,something Austin never did

Why do they need defending anyway ?
whether we like them or not the truth of their acts is there and notice as well as you attack me again that this thread is always peaceful until you come in blasting Colossal spoons b/c he dares to say Austin sucks...why always so confrontational ?

[0neDisturbedSOB]

Funny because Colossal Spoons said himself that we were having a "discussion"....who the hell made you den mother of this thread anyway? I don't recall mentioning your name, yet you feel the need to butt in when it doesn't concern you....I guess that's just the know it all in you eh?

[Hunter Rider]

Funny because Colossal Spoons said himself that we were having a "discussion"....who the hell made you den mother of this thread anyway? I don't recall mentioning your name, yet you feel the need to butt in when it doesn't concern you....I guess that's just the know it all in you eh?

you can't help it can you ? it always has to be an attack ,my post to you was civil and look back,who started throwing insults in here first ? it was you to that guy that hated Austin being a redneck.im not mother hen but Jack commented on this thread getting hostile, i merely pointed out that the twice it has was when you attacked b/c ppl dissed your favs
if i did that every time Last Sunrise comes in here with his Ego H bashing then it would be a constant war
Ive never denied the merits of each guys success but i also know that they are selfish to the core and IMO Austin is the worst due to never putting anyone over clean in his prime

I have no issue with you and i thought we had cleared the air but i guess my one little comment about you sent you off,so i tell you what i apologize but wouldn't you say you overreacted ?

[NDX]

Source: Wrestling Observer Newsletter

- During a recent house show in Bakersfield, a fan wearing a mask hit the ring about a minute into the main event of Batista vs. Randy Orton vs. Eddie Guerrero in a three-way dance. Some agents ran in and restrained him, then Orton went after the fan and started putting the boots to him pretty hard while the agents were in the ring.

The local security asked if it was part of the show, and one of the agents told them it wasn’t and to come in and help. The guy was fighting back really hard, but they managed to bring him out of the ring and hand him over to the police.

For those wondering, Batista ended up winning the match.

Wish I was there to see that.

[Eric Draven]

I hate when fans do that.......