Wrestling

[Colossal Spoons]

SD ain't goin anywhere...

[TheVileOne]

Its going into the trash after the current season is over.

[The Techno Bat]

Smackdown was pretty good tonight alot of great matches, I thought what Eddie did tonight was great. But for some reason I don't get why they have put Rey Mysterio and Eddie Guerro on a Survivor Series team that is going up against guys like The Big Show, and Kane? Atleast they have Lashley, because with Batista going down they are going to need a big man other than JBL to help them out. I wonder who the other RAW member will be, and who will replace Batista? rKo Randy Orton? I would like to see Matt Hardy...

[Go Web Go!]

Smackdown wouldn't be a bad show if it were on a more convenient day of the week and also if it were live which is probably one of the main reasons RAW is so much more successful. You tune in to watch a live show expecting something big to happen. In Smackdown's case you can read the results and decide whether or not you want to watch the show.

[3dman27]

thats true enough

[GLfan]

Its going into the trash after the current season is over.
No it isn't, it's moving to the USA Network when the contract expires.

[3dman27]

No it isn't, it's moving to the USA Network when the contract expires.
are you sure about that glfan?

[Go Web Go!]

Don't know about it moving to USA, but it definitely won't be staying on UPN.

[Colossal Spoons]

Why's that? WWE having a conflict with UPN?

[Go Web Go!]

Yeah, something like that. UPN has pretty much given up on the WWE which is why they moved them to the "graveyard slot" on Friday nights.

[Colossal Spoons]

That's a pretty spiteful thing to do. I have to set an alarm so I remember what time SD comes on. SD = Thrusday has been so engrained in my mind.

[TheVileOne]

No it isn't, it's moving to the USA Network when the contract expires.

Either way, UPN is still tossing it.

[Eric Draven]

Yeah, something like that. UPN has pretty much given up on the WWE which is why they moved them to the "graveyard slot" on Friday nights.

Surprisingly, it's been getting decent ratings on Fridays (I think). Could be because SD now doesn't have to compete with as many shows as they had to on the Thursday timeslot. I personally think it may not be that smart of a move on UPN's part to let go of SD. It is one of their more reliable shows in the ratings and there is a set fanbase. I hope the WWE does find another network to air SD. Not USA though......

[Sabretooth]

Wherever it goes,I hope it doesn't merge with Raw :down

[Hunter Rider]

Following the airing of WWE Friday Night SmackDown last night, a video promo was added on WWE.com announcing that Batista would defend the World Heavyweight Championship against Eddie Guerrero and Randy Orton in a Triple Threat Match next week on SmackDown.

Given the news that came out of the SmackDown tapings this past week with Batista suffering a muscle tear to his latissimus dorsi (a muscle on the upper back that connects under each arm), it appears WWE might be going with a title change with either Guerrero or Orton since Batista's injury will likely keep him out of action for up to three months or so.

This match will be taped tomorrow night for SmackDown in Minneapolis, MN. RAW will also be taped tomorrow night as well. So, for those wanting to know the outcome earlier, we will have a report from the show late tomorrow night.

[Sarge 2.0]

Eddie pretty much has this title in the bag.

[SLYspyder]

PLEASE I HOPE ORTON WINS!!!!!!!! then they can do the evolution fued when batista comes back.
guerrero doesn't need the belt right now.

[Gameruler]

This match will be taped tomorrow night for SmackDown in Minneapolis, MN. RAW will also be taped tomorrow night as well. So, for those wanting to know the outcome earlier, we will have a report from the show late tomorrow night.
Why is RAW being taped?


And if you can't tell I'm a wrestling fan.

[Gameruler]

By the way, I'm home. This thread is now my home. My favorite thread forever. Until I don't like wrestling anymore. I better check to see if TNA is on now, I don't want to miss it again!!

[NDX]

Why is RAW being taped?

Both RAW and SmackDown! are being taped in a megaevent setting on Sunday because both brands are leaving for Europe on Monday.

[Gameruler]

Oh. That's cause SD! has to be taped. SD! should be live too!

[Go Web Go!]

Guerrero or Orton as champion? Yuck.

[Hunter Rider]

Guerrero or Orton as champion? Yuck.

:confused: how so ? both are great in ring performers and have mic skills,there both better than the current two champions and i don't see who else SD could put the belt on

[The Sage]

http://www.wwe.com/inside/news/eddieguerreropasses

Eddie Guerrero passes away
Nov. 13, 2005

WWE is deeply saddened by the news that Eddie Guerrero has passed away. He was found dead this morning in his hotel room in Minneapolis. Eddie is survived by his wife Vickie and daughters Shaul, 14, Sherilyn, 9, and Kaylie Marie, 3.

:(:(

[Sabretooth]

:( :( :(

[Go Web Go!]

That's crazy. You would never think something like this would happen to someone like Eddie who is one of the main players in WWE.

[LastSunrise1981]

Goodbye Eddie. :( :down

Why are all the great ones dying?

You know, I don't wish death or harm on anyone at all. However, this should serve as a wake-up call for wrestlers like Jake "The Snake", Scott Hall, Triple H, Jeff Jarrett, Jeff Hardy, and The Undertaker.

There's more of course, but the main ones that need to wake up and look inward are Jake, Triple H, and Jeff Jarrett. It's unfortunate tragedies like this that can happen to anyone. Life is too short for egos, drugs, and looking to hold other people down for their own gain.

Triple H should look at this and come to a self-realization that he's not God, he's not the center of this universe. It's unfortunate that a tragedy happens to a man who overcame his personal demons, went on to become the WWE champion, get his marriage in order, and become a great father for his children.

We all should take a lesson from Eddie. And you know what else? Both Raw and Smackdown need to do a tribute to Eddie, chronicling his great career and his eventual WWE title win, and do the same thing that they did for Owen Hart.

[Sarge 2.0]

This ruined my whole day. :(:down

Eddie looked like he was making a face turn, too. He could've been champ. :(

[Hunter Rider]

Goodbye Eddie. :( :down

Why are all the great ones dying?

You know, I don't wish death or harm on anyone at all. However, this should serve as a wake-up call for wrestlers like Jake "The Snake", Scott Hall, Triple H, Jeff Jarrett, Jeff Hardy, and The Undertaker.

There's more of course, but the main ones that need to wake up and look inward are Jake, Triple H, and Jeff Jarrett. It's unfortunate tragedies like this that can happen to anyone. Life is too short for egos, drugs, and looking to hold other people down for their own gain.

Triple H should look at this and come to a self-realization that he's not God, he's not the center of this universe. It's unfortunate that a tragedy happens to a man who overcame his personal demons, went on to become the WWE champion, get his marriage in order, and become a great father for his children.

We all should take a lesson from Eddie. And you know what else? Both Raw and Smackdown need to do a tribute to Eddie, chronicling his great career and his eventual WWE title win, and do the same thing that they did for Owen Hart.
I fail to see how this tragedy can be used for yet another shot by you at HHH:down

[Hunter Rider]

This ruined my whole day. :(:down

Eddie looked like he was making a face turn, too. He could've been champ. :(

I couldn't believe this when i read it,such a sad tragedy:(

[Eric Draven]

This is totally devastating :( :( :(

It looked like Guerrero was finally turning himself around.

I just can't believe it.....:(

[LastSunrise1981]

I fail to see how this tragedy can be used for yet another shot by you at HHH:down

Oh boo hoo, stop your whining and defending of Ego H already. I basically said it should be a wake up call to him, Scott Hall, Jake The Snake, and other wrestlers who seemingly either have huge egos or are throwing their lives away.

They all should take a lesson from Eddie who was a class act, hard worker, never had a huge ego, and overcame personal demons that would've killed a normal person.

If you learned to read, you would clearly see that I mentioned others besides H. Yes, this is a tragedy, and it's one that shouldn't be ignored or downplayed in any way shape or form. But EVERYONE can learn a lesson from Eddie and that's cherish your life, do not feel sorry for yourself or hold down anyone, for it can end at any moment and it can be very unexpected.

I feel very bad for his wife, kids, and his entire family. :down

[Sarge 2.0]

I couldn't believe this when i read it,such a sad tragedy:(It was a complete blindside...I'll always remember that grin in his last match against Kennedy....and him celebrating with Benoit at Wrestlemania XX....he'll be sorely missed.

[Hunter Rider]

Oh boo hoo, stop your whining and defending of Ego H already. I basically said it should be a wake up call to him, Scott Hall, Jake The Snake, and other wrestlers who seemingly either have huge egos or are throwing their lives away.

They all should take a lesson from Eddie who was a class act, hard worker, never had a huge ego, and overcame personal demons that would've killed a normal person.

If you learned to read, you would clearly see that I mentioned others besides H. Yes, this is a tragedy, and it's one that shouldn't be ignored or downplayed in any way shape or form. But EVERYONE can learn a lesson from Eddie and that's cherish your life, do not feel sorry for yourself or hold down anyone, for it can end at any moment and it can be very unexpected.

I feel very bad for his wife, kids, and his entire family. :down

Im not defending HHH but you are very naive when you talk about him and I loved eddie but he was not the salt of the earth either he could often be very lazy.
The reason i used HHH as my point was b/c you were right about the other 3 they could learn from him on how to beat their drug problems but HHH's ego that is no different to Hogan or Austins has nothing to do with Eddies death,you just used it as another attempt to moan about him cos you don't like him

[Eric Draven]

With Batista being injured, and now this, I don't know about Smackdown anymore.


It's going to be a very somber Raw and SD this week :(

[Hunter Rider]

With Batista being injured, and now this, I don't know about Smackdown anymore.


It's going to be a very somber Raw and SD this week :(

Apparently both shows will be tribute shows,no storylines

[Hunter Rider]

LastSunrise1981- if you return i ask you out of respect for Eddie if we can leave our HHH argument until next week ?

[Sabretooth]

This couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.


God man,with Batista out,and Guerrero gone,I mean are they still gonna even have the SS match?:(

[NDX]

It's only the right thing WWE can do right now, having the two tribute shows.

[Sarge 2.0]

This couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.


God man,with Batista out,and Guerrero gone,I mean are they still gonna even have the SS match?:(The could always put Benoit and Orton on the SD team or something...what I wanna know is what they're going to do with the title....

[LastSunrise1981]

I sincerely hope Raw and SD are full shows of wrestler interviews and their thoughts on Eddie, Eddie's greatest matches, and a ten bell toll salute to one of the greatest wrestlers of all time.

Goodbye Eddie. :( :(

[3dman27]

in memory of mr eddie guerrero 1967 -2005
VIVA LA RAZA

[Colossal Spoons]

My friend called me to tell me...I'm still in shock. SD just took a major hit.

R.I.P. Latino Heat

[Pink Ranger]

Eddie was my favorite WWE star. I'm extremely sad right now.

[TheVileOne]

What I'm praying for now is that the cause of death was not drugs or steroids.

[Colossal Spoons]

^^I'm hoping the same thing Vile. He was in the process of turning his life around but who knows if he was truly of the juice and rocks.

[Keyser Soze]

This is devastating for me. Eddie Guerrero was one of the best talents the WWE had, and was set to win the title TONIGHT. So close to being at the pinnacle of the company again, only for his life to be tragically taken.

This may sound strange, but when I was sitting on the bus, on the way home today, I got this sick feeling in my stomach, and I had this voice in the back of my head saying that a wrestler was dead. And for some reason I thought it was going to be Christian, don't ask me why. And then I got home, and got a phone call telling me that Eddie Guerrero died. I think I'm still in shock.

I still remember the summer of 1997, when I was 10 years old, I went to Florida. I went to a taping of WCW Saturday Night, sitting in the second row. During Eddie's entrance, I tried to get down to slap his hand, but I couldn't reach. But when I shouted his name, he looked up and smiled at me. And I've never stopped liking Eddie.

Most poignantly of all, I remember the closing moments of Wrestlemania XX. Eddie Guerrero and Chris Benoit, two men who had become the champions of the WWE through their own hard work and natural talent, standing victorious in the centre of the ring. When thinking of Eddie's life, that is the image that will stay with me.

My prayers are with his family at this time. Eddie Guerrero, rest in peace. You are, and always will be, a wrestling legend.

[Colossal Spoons]

Keyser, I went back at took a look at that night at Wrestlemania where he and Benoit celebrated in the ring. That really is a good lasting memory to have of Eddie

Here (http://www.wwe.com/content/media/video/494698/1519562/1564376/wm20celebrate) if anybody wants to see it.

[Hunter Rider]

Most poignantly of all, I remember the closing moments of Wrestlemania XX. Eddie Guerrero and Chris Benoit, two men who had become the champions of the WWE through their own hard work and natural talent, standing victorious in the centre of the ring. When thinking of Eddie's life, that is the image that will stay with me.

.

If anyone had asked 6 months prior to WM20 who would be standing with the 2 world belts at the end of WWE's biggest ever show Eddie and Benoit wouldn't have been my answer,not that they didn't deserve it but neither had the look or usual marketting hype that surrounds a new face champ at a Wrestlemania
I truly hoped it was a turning point for WWE but sadly as this year proved it wasn't,
Who knows when we will see 2 guys as talented and as deserving as Eddie and Benoit stand with the main belts at the end of the wrestling industry's biggest event again ? I fear it won't be anytime soon............. Thats what makes that memory even more special

[LastSunrise1981]

What I'm praying for now is that the cause of death was not drugs or steroids.

It wasn't drugs. Chavo said that Eddie just celebrated his fourth year of being sober, so I doubt he went into a relapse and passed away. But you never really know unfortunately. However, in this case, I believe Chavo is telling the truth and Eddie also became a born again Christian.

It's a shame that he's passed away. :(

Hawk, Curt Henning, Owen Hart, British Bulldog, Kerry Von Erich, Andre The Giant, Chris Candido, Yokozuna, Brian Pillman, and now Eddie Guerrero? What the hell is going on? :( :down

[Keyser Soze]

It doesn't look like drugs to me. Here are more details of his death:

Eddie Guerrero had breakfast with Chavo Guerrero this morning and then returned to his hotel room. When he did not come out at the expected time, Chavo and others knocked on his door and called his room to no answer. Security got his door open and Guerrero was found dead in the bathroom with a toothbrush in his mouth. It is believed that he had a heart attack while brushing his teeth.

WWE wrestlers and staff were very shaken up as they headed to the Target Center for the RAW/Smackdown taping tonight. As reported earlier, the plans for the taping have been changed to make it a Eddie Guerrero dedication show.

Credit: WrestlingObserver.com

[LastSunrise1981]

LastSunrise1981- if you return i ask you out of respect for Eddie if we can leave our HHH argument until next week ?

It won't be easy, as I was speaking about people who take life for granted and hold down other people. But for Eddie? Yes, I can do that. :up:

By any chance do you still have that avatar? I don't believe I'm at the limit where it can be the size that you have it at, but do you still have it saved by any chance?

[Hunter Rider]

It won't be easy, as I was speaking about people who take life for granted and hold down other people. But for Eddie? Yes, I can do that. :up:

By any chance do you still have that avatar? I don't believe I'm at the limit where it can be the size that you have it at, but do you still have it saved by any chance?

:up:
Do you want an eddie avatar ?

Here's the pic both before and after i cut it

http://img395.imageshack.us/img395/9199/eddieguerrero6kk.jpg http://img395.imageshack.us/img395/1753/u3km.gif

[Sarge 2.0]

hunter, could you resize this to 50x50 for me?

http://www5f.biglobe.ne.jp/~galmania/wwe_i/img/eddie-guerrero01.jpg

[LastSunrise1981]

A poster named Y2John on the Chris Jericho Message Board made this graphic and it's a very beautiful one too.

http://www.chrisjerichomedia.com/images/ripeddiecjmb.jpg

[Sabretooth]

Damn.That thing is beautiful :up:

[Colossal Spoons]

Yeah it is.

[SLYspyder]

Goodbye Eddie. :( :down

Why are all the great ones dying?

You know, I don't wish death or harm on anyone at all. However, this should serve as a wake-up call for wrestlers like Jake "The Snake", Scott Hall, Triple H, Jeff Jarrett, Jeff Hardy, and The Undertaker.

There's more of course, but the main ones that need to wake up and look inward are Jake, Triple H, and Jeff Jarrett. It's unfortunate tragedies like this that can happen to anyone. Life is too short for egos, drugs, and looking to hold other people down for their own gain.

Triple H should look at this and come to a self-realization that he's not God, he's not the center of this universe. It's unfortunate that a tragedy happens to a man who overcame his personal demons, went on to become the WWE champion, get his marriage in order, and become a great father for his children.

We all should take a lesson from Eddie. And you know what else? Both Raw and Smackdown need to do a tribute to Eddie, chronicling his great career and his eventual WWE title win, and do the same thing that they did for Owen Hart.

i can't believe this. hunter's ride is completely right. guerrero dies, instead of talking about his death you start whining about triple h? give me a ****in break. what the hell does Triple H have to do with the death of eddie?! explain that to me please!
i can understand you mentioning jake the snake and other wrestlers who have used drugs before but ****in leave triple H out of this! it's like your ****in blaming him for eddie's death

[SLYspyder]

i was just watching smackdown on friday and eddie in his match against kennedy, i didn't think a few days later, he'd be gone. the crowd was chanting his name, and everyone was really enjoying the way he won that match by cheating. i'm not hispanic but as he came to the ring on friday, i thought to myself as he came out of the lowrider, how great is it for WWE to have such a great main eventer that's latino and everyone loves him. it's very sad news, this is the first time i've been a huge fan of a wrestler and seen him pass away. i was too young with owen hart. may his soul rest in peace.

[LastSunrise1981]

i can't believe this. hunter's ride is completely right. guerrero dies, instead of talking about his death you start whining about triple h? give me a ****in break. what the hell does Triple H have to do with the death of eddie?! explain that to me please!
i can understand you mentioning jake the snake and other wrestlers who have used drugs before but ****in leave triple H out of this! it's like your ****in blaming him for eddie's death

If you cared enough to read my previous post, you would know that I promised not to mention Triple H's ego or politics in terms of Eddie.

But since you're slow on this, I'll explain it to a noob such as you. I briefly stated that people LIKE Hunter who abuse power, take life for granted, and hold down other people NEED to see this as a wake-up call.

But as I said, I'm not talking about it anymore and it's done with. Even Hunter knew I wasn't blaming H, the fact that you insinuated that I did shows you can't read and don't really have a firm grip on reality.

Either way, RIP to Eddie and I'm recording the dedication show tomorrow.

[SLYspyder]

This is devastating for me. Eddie Guerrero was one of the best talents the WWE had, and was set to win the title TONIGHT. So close to being at the pinnacle of the company again, only for his life to be tragically taken.



how'd you know that they were to make him champ? i myself thought orton was going to win, especially since he's a heel.

[The Ghoul]

no he's right i read Eddie was winning too.

[SLYspyder]

If you cared enough to read my previous post, you would know that I promised not to mention Triple H's ego or politics in terms of Eddie.

But since you're slow on this, I'll explain it to a noob such as you. I briefly stated that people LIKE Hunter who abuse power, take life for granted, and hold down other people NEED to see this as a wake-up call.

But as I said, I'm not talking about it anymore and it's done with. Even Hunter knew I wasn't blaming H, the fact that you insinuated that I did shows you can't read and don't really have a firm grip on reality.

Either way, RIP to Eddie and I'm recording the dedication show tomorrow.

i read all your posts wiseass and you already mentioned it, the damage is done.

HHH abuses his powers, yes, how do you know he takes his life for granted?
i can understand jake needing to see this as a wake-up call since he uses drugs and eddie, a former user of drugs, just died. but why does HHH need to see this as a wake-up call?

and when i said you were blaming hhh for eddies death, it obviously wasn't meant to be taken literally.

[punishermax]

"This sucks." To quote Tony Schivone, today I wake up and read that one of the best wrestlers of this generations dies. I was in disbelief to say the least. He is in a better place. R.I.P. Eddie.

[The Ghoul]

i read all your posts wiseass and you already mentioned it, the damage is done.

HHH abuses his powers, yes, how do you know he takes his life for granted?
i can understand jake needing to see this as a wake-up call since he uses drugs and eddie, a former user of drugs, just died. but why does HHH need to see this as a wake-up call?

and when i said you were blaming hhh for eddies death, it obviously wasn't meant to be taken literally.

He is saying HHH takes life for granted. He means that he needs to realise life is not about being successful all the time. In stead of worrying about the next time he becomes champion, he should just live his life to the fullest... Granted I agree that now is not the time nor the place for a rant such as this. But you bringing it back up isn't helping dip-****

[SLYspyder]

He is saying HHH takes life for granted. He means that he needs to realise life is not about being successful all the time. In stead of worrying about the next time he becomes champion, he should just live his life to the fullest...

isn't wrestlling HHH's life? so why would he worrying about becoming champion mean he's taking he's life for granted, it would mean he's living his life to the fullest of his capabilities.

[SLYspyder]

Granted I agree that now is not the time nor the place for a [HHH] rant such as this.

exactly the point im trying to implant into his brain

[The Ghoul]

isn't wrestlling HHH's life? so why would he worrying about becoming champion mean he's taking he's life for granted, it would mean he's living his life to the fullest of his capabilities.

Because when you are obssesed with the idea of just being the top guy, wrestling as a verb, no longer becomes fun for anyone involved. So yes if wrestling is his life he is taking it for granted

[Eric Draven]

i was just watching smackdown on friday and eddie in his match against kennedy, i didn't think a few days later, he'd be gone. the crowd was chanting his name, and everyone was really enjoying the way he won that match by cheating. i'm not hispanic but as he came to the ring on friday, i thought to myself as he came out of the lowrider, how great is it for WWE to have such a great main eventer that's latino and everyone loves him. it's very sad news, this is the first time i've been a huge fan of a wrestler and seen him pass away. i was too young with owen hart. may his soul rest in peace.

That was the great thing about Guerrero. The fans totally loved him. The WWE tried numerous times to make him into a heel, but it never worked and the end result was the fans cheered for him even more. That just showed right there the charisma Eddie had.

Reading some of the spoilers for Raw and Smackdown this week, both shows sound like something worth watching. Particularly the last match on SD.....

[Goldenage Batman]

i just heared about Eddie.....god...I loved that guy...RIP Eddie...

[0neDisturbedSOB]

Eddie was an amazing talent, and seemingly a top notch guy. The celebration he and Benoit had at WM20 is one probably one of THE BEST moments in wrestling history. I remember seeing the 2 of them together as champions and thinking "wow, who would've thought?"...it gave me goosebumps.

I am very sad to hear about Eddie's passing. I always thought he was one of the best performers on the roster, and whether he was in the ring or cutting a promo he excelled at both. Eddie's come along way from his "mamcita" days, and was seemingly in line to take the title of Batista now that he's hurt. It will be interesting to see how the WWE handles this, but if the tribute they did for Owen Hart is anything to base it off of then Eddie is in for a true memorial, something he would have been proud of.

He will be missed, and should be inducted into the hall of fame simply because he was an original thru and thru.

[Super_Ludacris]

http://www.exclusivesteveknight.com/goodbye.html

a tribute......

[Colossal Spoons]

That was friggin awesome SupaLuda. It's weird, feels like I knew him or something; I wouldn't normally get this sad over a "stranger"

[The Ghoul]

What stands out most for me about this is that unlike other dead wrestlers, Eddie was very popular at his time of death. Other than Owen no other wrestler got a lot of mainstream media acknowledgement.(And even Owen was more about how rather than who.) I think that's because despite the drugs, the car accidents & the ****ty storylines Eddie has remained extremley popular. Like Eric Draven said, the fans couldn't not like them. Even when he was Rey's baby's daddy he rarley got the entire place boo. And most of those boos were from 8 year olds themselves. No matter how great Brian Pillman, Rick Rude, Davey Boy Smith, Rocco Rock, Chris Candido & many others were, even Owen wasn't as big or as inspirational as Eddie was

He truley will be missed & WWE will definetly change a lot without him. (I'm tearing while I write this.)

R.I.P. Eduardo Gory "Eddie: Latino Heat" Guerrero. 1967-2005

[punishermax]

Anyone else think that Chavo will go back to being known as Chavo and not Kerwin out of respect?

[Colossal Spoons]

I hope so. The Kerwin White thing was headed nowhere. I think Chavo should join up with the Mexicools and get a Latino stable going, like LWO.

[punishermax]

Christian is officially in TNA, and he totally bashed wwe. It was awesome.
Raven vs PJ Polaco(justin credible)- decent match,they finally start using raven again. Some of the bumps were meh, but it had a good ECW nostalgia feelign for me. WINNER- Rave (DDT)

Hockey Street Fight Match
Special Guest Referee: Kip James
3 Live Kru vs. Team Canada - pretty good match. Eric Young has thr best facial expressions, and I think its a matter of time when they see his potential. WINNERS- 3 Live Kru(top rope legdrop with hockey stick over nuts)

Christian comes out to rip WWE, and he is foolowed b Damore. He talsk to CC about old times and tells him to join them and jarrett. Roode gets in Christians face but Damore just lets the point across that he needs to join them and hands him a team canada shirt. Christian tells them that he will give them his answer later.

Monty Brown vs Jeff Hardy Contenders match- Hardy got alot mroe offense than I thought he would but it wasnt enough to get Monty. WINNER- Monty Brown( THE POOOOOOOUUUUNNNCCE)

Elimination X Match
Samoa Joe, Christopher Daniels, Alex Shelley & Roderick Strong vs. Chris Sabin, Matt Bently, Sonjay Dutt & Austin Aries - Match of the night in my opinion. Lots of awesoem moments. Try and get your handson this match b/c it was crazy. ORDER OF ELIM- Roderick Strong(by Aries, 450) Aries(rollup by Daniels, Dutt(by Shelley, Border city stretch) Shelley(by Bentley, superkick), Bentley(by Joe, Muscle Buster/choke combo) Sabin(by Daniels, Angels wings)

At the end Joe was pissed at Daniels b/c it was supposed to be his pin(Bentley pulled Joe out when he had sabin in the muscle buster). Joe then attacks daniels and leaves him for the ambulance.

No DQ Match
Abyss w/ James Mitchell vs. Sabu- Good spots, Sabu about killed abyss' face with his triple jump moonsault. Thumbtacks and Barbed wire were put to use. WINNER- Abyss(Black hole slam on thumbtacks)

X Division Championship Match
AJ Styles © vs. Petey Williams w/ A-1 - Good natch with Good heat. Aj acknowledged Joes attack on Daniels(and probably sets them up next month and maybe start Joes Xdivision reighn). Sick spot was AJ getting germaned into the railing from the ring apron. I about died when I saw it. these 2 work great togetrher. WINNER- AJ Styles(middle rope Styles Clash)

Six Man Tag Team Main Event
NWA World Champion Jeff Jarrett w/ Gail Kim & NWA World Tag Team Champions America's Most Wanted vs. Rhino & Team 3D - I loved this b/c it also reminded me of the ecw brawls in the crowd. WINNERS- 3d and Rhyno(3D)

Team Canada comes out for a post match beatdown. Christian Cage folloes suit and takes off his jacket to reveal he is with Team Canada. He then proceeds to lay out Damore with the Unprettier, and they give a 3 man 3D to jarrett through a table.

This was the synopsis of Genesis over at BYWL

[The Ghoul]

No DQ Match
Abyss w/ James Mitchell vs. Sabu- Good spots, Sabu about killed abyss' face with his triple jump moonsault. Thumbtacks and Barbed wire were put to use. WINNER- Abyss(Black hole slam on thumbtacks)



Actually it was Black-hole slam on a barb wire chair. This made it the match of the night just for that.

[punishermax]

Oh, sorry, it wasn't my synopsis. I haven't seen it yet, I plan on it though.

[Hunter Rider]

I know it's only a small thing but i thought it was a nice touch that HBK,HHH and JBL all jobbed their matches to Eddies closest friends....also good to see WWE letting Chavo wrestle as Chavo at the tapings

[Hunter Rider]

At the raw part of the tapings they did Orton vs Cena and the match was said to be very poor,is it just me or does it look like Orton's heart isn't in it right now ? i thought his match with Rey was very disappointing on SD,he looked lackluster and the pace was slow

Here ya go Sarge

http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/7682/12ch.gif

[Bad Superman]

I'm still shocked about Eddie's passing. My best friend called me and told me about it. He was, IMO one of the best wrestlers in WWE.

Godspeed, Eddie.

[3dman27]

At the raw part of the tapings they did Orton vs Cena and the match was said to be very poor,is it just me or does it look like Orton's heart isn't in it right now ? i thought his match with Rey was very disappointing on SD,he looked lackluster and the pace was slow

Here ya go Sarge

http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/7682/12ch.gif
maybe it wasn't all things considered

[Hunter Rider]

maybe it wasn't all things considered

Well his match with Rey was prior to the Eddie tragedy and if ever there was a night to put on a great match it was the tribute show in memeory of a great one

[3dman27]

sorry
i misread your earlier post

[Sarge 2.0]

Thanks for the avvy, hunter. :up:

I'm hoping there's at least one really great match tonight and it's a proper way to pay tribute to Eddie...

[Hunter Rider]

Thanks for the avvy, hunter. :up:

I'm hoping there's at least one really great match tonight and it's a proper way to pay tribute to Eddie...

:up:
Apparently there is a great HBK/Rey match on the show tonight

[Bad Superman]

:up:
Apparently there is a great HBK/Rey match on the show tonight

It's been about three weeks since I last saw a RAW show, but I won't miss it tonight to see that match along with Eddie's tribute.

[Mister J]

This was my first hearing of Eddie's passing. I had been off the dirtsheets all weekends. I am absolutely floored. I had been watching Eddie for a very long time and he was always one of my favs; one of the few heels I liked in a cowardly role. It's good to see that he was able to overcome his personal issues in life and excel in and out of the ring. Yet at the same time, it's extremely sad to hear of this. He was loved by the fans.

R.I.P Eddie

[byung76]

R.i.p Eddie Guerrero!!!!!!!

[Bad Superman]

Possible cause of death.

From:http://www.wrestlinginc.com/winc/html/article15054.shtml

The Very Latest On Eddie Guerrero's Passing

By Ryan Clark, WrestlingInc.com Staff

Eddie Guerrero was found this morning with his toothbrush in his mouth on the bathroom floor. He apparently died while brushing his teeth. The belief among those within WWE is that he had a heart failure. PWTorch.com reports that shortly after Guerrero's body was removed from the room, Chris Benoit, Rey Mysterio, Dean Malenko and Chavo Guerrero all visited the hotel room to say their final goodbyes. Many WWE staffers were visibly shaken by this as they left the hotel and headed for the arena.

WWE.com noted the following: Vince McMahon and Chavo Guerrero held a press conference regarding the untimely death of Eddie Guerrero today at 12:45 CT. At this time, the circumstances surrounding his death are still unclear. Video of the entire press conference will be made available on WWE.com shortly.

[The Sage]

Eddie Guerrero was one of the greatest wrestlers of all time. The man could do anything, get technical, fly, and brawl. No matter how dull RAW or Smackdown became, when he came out, it was the highlight. I'm so happy that he was able to win the world title before he passed. After so many years in the business he deserved it. And to be able to raise the title at Wrestlemania, truly an honor.

I was planning on getting Eddie's DVD eventually, but now I may get it as soon as possible. I suspect sales will be going up real soon for it.

Eddie's best match: Rey Mysterio Jr. vs Eddy Guerrero at Halloween Havoc 97. Some of the best wrestling I've ever seen.

[Bad Superman]

Eddie Guerrero was one of the greatest wrestlers of all time. The man could do anything, get technical, fly, and brawl. No matter how dull RAW or Smackdown became, when he came out, it was the highlight. I'm so happy that he was able to win the world title before he passed. After so many years in the business he deserved it. And to be able to raise the title at Wrestlemania, truly an honor.

I was planning on getting Eddie's DVD eventually, but now I may get it as soon as possible. I suspect sales will be going up real soon for it.

Eddie's best match: Rey Mysterio Jr. vs Eddy Guerrero at Halloween Havoc 97. Some of the best wrestling I've ever seen.

Totally agree. Nice to see you on these waters sage. :up:

[citizenpain]

oh wow, that's so sad. i still can't believe it as i'm reading about it on wwe.com. a few people mentioned owen hart's passing and when that happened, he was my favorite wrestler in the wwf since bret had left the company and i was so shocked and hurt when he passed away. i'm feeling the same right now, eddie guerrero has always been an amazing wrestler and the wwf/wwe gave him a chance to show that he was a great entertainer as well. he will truly be missed. R.I.P eddie.

[Lobo]

well said citizenpain RIP Eddie :(

[Gameruler]

At first I was just in total shock. I even checked other news sites to make sure WWE wasn't lying about it. But I found out that it was true. I just can't believe it still.
This will definitly be a said day in wrestling history.

Sure other wrestlers have died but they were older. Eddie was only 38. I really want to know how he died.

R.I.P Eddie Guerrero.
You will be missed. :(

[The Batman]

Damn shame. He was an excellent wrestler, with great charisma. i'm glad he won the title before he passed away. Hopefully, his legacy will live on in pro wrestling....

[Gameruler]

I'm happy that he left on a good side with the fans. But even if he didn't I still think everyone would be very sad still.

[GLfan]

Dang, I found out while checking Iwon.com. I bet we see it on the news tonight, it couldn't be a drug overdose I'm in shock.

[Eklypze]

yesterday when i found out about eddies passing i was in total shock it was really crazy because my mom calls me to tell me that some wrestler named eddie something died and i was like "is it Guerrero?" and when she said yeah i just dropped the phone this is a sad day indeed i mean i really hope they dont find any drugs in his system but i know firsthand how bad pain pill addiction can be and just because an addict says theyve been clean doesnt always mean they are clean but i really do hope that it was just a heart attack and not an overdose or something but anyways this is a sad day indeed you will be missed Eddie RIP

[0neDisturbedSOB]

So is RAW/Smackdown combined this weekend? I read the spoilers for tonight, but I haven't heard anything about the Smackdown tapings for Friday night.

[GLfan]

You should hear about it tomorrow, that's when Smackdown is taped.

[Eric Draven]

Anybody else hear about that jackass on ESPN saying those comments on a radio show?

Apparently, ESPN is now getting swamped with calls about his comments.

[The Batman]

Yup, how he said Eddies death wasnt news worthy, and how he probably died from steroids and drugs...

[punishermax]

Yeah, that was Colin Cowherd or however you spell it, he was saying it wasn't newsworthy because pro wrestling isn't a sport, wrestlers aren't athletes (shows what he knows) and that they are theater actors, but they aren't well known enough to be recognized, eventhough he doesn't realize every Monday and Friday, more people watch wrestling than listen to his radio show. His show by the way is the same thing: Hate on stuff he doesn't understand and praise Michale Vick at every oppurtunity.

[Eric Draven]

Has this guy actually wrestled in a wrestling ring before? Because that's the only way he could rationalize saying something like that.

[The Batman]

Probably not. He's just your average big mouthed idiot who probably says things to piss people off

[lionhart]

You should hear about it tomorrow, that's when Smackdown is taped.

Smackdown was taped Sunday along with Raw at a SuperShow. I'm sure if you check the usual outlets you can find the results.

[Go Web Go!]

Here are the RAW & Smackdown results for those who are interested:

RAW: Kane & Big Show def. MNM (non-title); Kurt Angle def. Shelton Benjamin; Rey Mysterio def. HBK; Melina wins a Diva Battle Royal; Eugene def. Simon Dean; Ric Flair def. William Regal; Cena def. Orton (via dq)

Smackdown: Matt Hardy def. Carlito; LOD def. Cade & Murdoch; Chavo Guerrero def. JBL; Juventud wins a Cruiserweight Battle Royal; Benoit def. Triple H

[Go Web Go!]

Oh, by the way...I know it's hard to talk about what else is going on in the wrestling world because of Eddie's passing but for those of you who don't know Christian debuted with TNA last night under the name Christian Cage.

[Colossal Spoons]

Wait, so Raw and SD were taped at the same time?

[Sabretooth]

Since the wrestling thread has been kinda slow lately, I think we should maybe talk about Eddie. What were your favorite matches? What were his best moments?

[Mister J]

Anybody else hear about that jackass on ESPN saying those comments on a radio show?

Apparently, ESPN is now getting swamped with calls about his comments.

Yeah, I just called ESPN and said I had comments about one of their radio shows. The woman who answered had this exasperated sound like she had been fielding such calls all day. She fowarded me on through to leave a message. It'll be interesting to see how this progresses.

[citizenpain]

http://img308.imageshack.us/img308/8594/eddiestolemyothershirt9ae.jpg

http://www.wweshop.com/newimages/images/86014pi.jpg http://smackdown94.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/eddie_000.jpg

http://www.wwe.com/superstars/smackdown/eddieguerrero/photos/01.jpg

[punishermax]

Since the wrestling thread has been kinda slow lately, I think we should maybe talk about Eddie. What were your favorite matches? What were his best moments?

Him and Benoit at WM 20 will never be topped.

[Go Web Go!]

Wait, so Raw and SD were taped at the same time?

Yes

[Jason Blood]

When I saw Kurt Angle crying, I broke out crying

[NDX]

I read a report of ESPN disconneting the phone number because of a flood of calls. Good show.

I guess one of the moments that stands out for me was a match he had with Rey Mysterio where he tried to cheat but Rey turned it around on him and then Rey got caught and so on. That match was a lot of fun to watch.

[Sarge 2.0]

Triple H with tears in his eyes....I almost cried...

[Sabretooth]

I was bawling.Chavo and HBK's interviews were beautiful. When I saw people like HHH,Benoit,Shane,and even Show crying,I did as well.

[TheVileOne]

It sounds like all the fans showed that Cowherd schmuck that he was dead f'n wrong.

I hope I don't sound bad when I say this...but I think this is one of the best RAWs in a long time. I mean Benjamin/Angle and HBK/Mysterio were fantastic. And Mysterio got the win after a great 12 minute match. I really hope I don't piss anyone off by pointing this out.

I'm happy that Chavo is Chavo tonight and not Kerwin White. One of the stupidest and most demeaning gimmicks and characters of all time.

[Go Web Go!]

I'm sure we've seen the last of "Kerwin White." Anyway, it is pretty tough to look at all these guys and how emotional they are. Choked me up a bit especially after seeing Benoit. Sad.

[TheVileOne]

We got to hand it to all these guys for staying to tape these shows and still wrestle as great as they've been doing. I remember Kurt Angle competed in a WWE title Iron Man match with Lesnar after he found out his sister passed.

WWE's European tour is probably going to be called off due to workers wanting to attend the funeral from what I'm hearing.

[The Ghoul]

That Johnny Cash/Nine Inch Nails moment was great. I literally broke down. The song "Hurt" (both versions) always chokes me up. And those Eddie moments in there just set me to tears.

[punishermax]

I was bawling.Chavo and HBK's interviews were beautiful. When I saw people like HHH,Benoit,Shane,and even Show crying,I did as well.

This brings back memories of Owen's tribute show. This is one of the most bittersweet Raws in a long time, great matches but one man short.

[NDX]

Cash's cover of Hurt always gets to me, but with the added imagery... it was hard to watch it that second time.

It really sucks that it takes the death of an influential wrestler to have a good wrestling show.

[TheVileOne]

Cash's cover of Hurt always gets to me, but with the added imagery... it was hard to watch it that second time.

It really sucks that it takes the death of an influential wrestler to have a good wrestling show.

Unfortunately NDX...this is one of the most important comments of all.

[Sabretooth]

Oh man.Benoit.Once I saw him I was like,''This one is going to be emotional.'' I was choking up when I saw him and Batista crying.

It's so weird,because I usually think of wrestlers as superheroes coming off the pages.And it's times like these where you realize they're human too....

[Doc Luis]

The Chavo one got to me, I almost cried

[GLfan]

Oh man.Benoit.Once I saw him I was like,''This one is going to be emotional.'' I was choking up when I saw him and Batista crying.

It's so weird,because I usually think of wrestlers as superheroes coming off the pages.And it's times like these where you realize they're human too....When was all this on? I missed the news, hopefully I'll see it at 10pm.

[The Ghoul]

I am crying. This really is a special night.

[TheVileOne]

If Stephanie says something about the US government coming after her family I will find her and smack her.

[LastSunrise1981]

What a powerful and emotional Raw this is on tv. I know I've said some things about Triple H, but he's earned my respect with his speech and the emotion in the interview he did.

I won't lie, I cried. I cried during the ten bell salute and even after Johnny Cash's cover of "Hurt". It's like you lost a member of your own family and for Eddie to be gone, it's like a nightmare that you're hoping to wake up from, but deep down you know that it's true and that it's a tragedy.

To hear and see the interviews of Chavo, Cena, HBK, Batista, Triple H, Benoit, Lillian Garcia, and even Kurt Angle crying just made me so proud to be an actual wrestling fan and respect them as human beings.

As I said before, this should be a wake up call to anyone who takes life for granted. We can sit around and feel sorry for ourselves, or we can live our life to the fullest and live by example, just as Eddie did when it came to wrestling and being the wonderful man that he is.

I'm going to miss Eddie. I'm going to miss him deeply and the WWE is going to be on empty product without him. I'll give you an analogy; it's like trying to replace Freddie Mercury with a different singer, Freddie was one of a kind and you just can't recreate the magic, power, and style he had with his performances and his singing. The same is for Eddie; you can't replace him and you know there's only ONE Eddie Guererro.

So I apologize, I apologize for all the mean and nasty things I said about Triple H. As he showed tonight, that he is human and that he's not a heartless person. He didn't have to wrestle tonight, give an interview, or even show up to pay tribute to Eddie. But he did and he has my respect.

RIP Eddie. I'll miss you man.

[Sabretooth]

I never saw Owen's tribute show,but would you guy's say this was just as emotional or even more emotional than Owen's?

[punishermax]

They're pretty close.

[punishermax]

Everyone was bawling at Owen's is pretty much the only difference I can think of.

[Sabretooth]

Hmm,though alot of people I kinda expected to not be affected were actually crying. I saw Angle crying,but whe Eddie was champ those two were always getting in fights backstage.But I guess that respect can get to anybody.

[TheVileOne]

I'm not going to take any nasty things I've said about HHH.

Compared to the Owen Hart show...please no one get pissed at me for saying this...this show is a lot better and classier.

[NDX]

I hate to stray away from paying our respects for Eddie, but does anyone know where Joey Styles stands with the company? Will he be back next week?

[TheVileOne]

I'm not going to take any nasty things I've said about HHH. Though I agree with your other comments LastSunrise.

This show feels somewhat classier than Owen's tribute show to me...please no one get pissed at me for saying that. Things they did during the Owen tribute show never sat well with me.

And I'm sorry but what they did during the main event was garbage. They should've just had a straight finish. Leave it to WWE to screw something like this up.

[Sabretooth]

I didn't like that interference with Bob Orton,but when Cena took his shirt off and put his belt on top. Very nice touch :up:

Eddie Guerrero was one of the first wrestlers I've ever seen on TV.When I saw him,coming out with that low rider, I knew right then and there he was going to be one of those people I would cheer whether he was a face or a heel.I didn't know the guy personally,but he has seriously influenced me to stop taking everything for granted,and to quit acting like I have it so bad.

Bad things happen to good people,and that's exactly what has happened with this great man and his family.He lived a great life,and is in a better place.Rest in peace,Latino Heat,rest in peace.

[Eric Draven]

I never saw Owen's tribute show,but would you guy's say this was just as emotional or even more emotional than Owen's?

Yeah, I think they were equally as emotional. The part that was most emotional to me with Owen's show was near the end, when JR and the King gave their thoughts on Owen.

Tonight's Raw was pretty emotional as well. Particularly seeing the interviews from Chavo, Rey, and Benoit.

[Donnie Darko]

Eddie Guerrero Is My Favorite Wrestler
Cheat To Win

[Mike_D]

Hehe, that match between Eugene and Simon Dean was one of the most entertaining matches I've seen in a LONG time.

[Colossal Spoons]

I dunno, HHH and Stephanie didn't seem too "sincere" tonight. But whatever, damn good show to pay respect to Eddie.

Cena laying the shirt and belt down almost teared me up like I did last night after watching the tribute video somebody posted here.

[The Ghoul]

**** you! Quit turning this into a HHH/Steph bash for one mother****ing night. You don't know these people. You don't know how they feel. HHH is not pure evil, & do not have the right to assume that he wasn't sincere. Quit spinning him into the embodiment of the devil, because he is also human. Now is not the time.

[Mr_Rocal]

Its a shame to lose someone with the talent and charisma that Eddie Guerrero displayed. No matter what character he played, baby face or heel, you could tell that he put his heart in it. And it showed in tonights show. He touched alot of people in and out of the ring. You the man, Eddie. :up:

[punishermax]

Here's a link I found to an Eddie memorial guestbook.

http://www.legacy.com/azcentral/Guestbook.asp?Page=Guestbook&PersonID=15674104

[American Muscle]

the Cena vs Orton match wasn't as bad as it was made out to be. i actually liked it. granted, it wasn't great by any standards, but i think that was due to:
a) no real build up into it
b) time constraints
c) didn't want to ruin the actual dream match
but the match didn't suck and the ending to it was classy. nothing but love and respect.

[Eklypze]

i thought hearing Vince scream VIVA LA RAZA was pretty great but i did think it was pretty wierd that Dean Malenko was there and he didnt do an interview and one difference between the Owen and Eddie tributes was that i think Owens had more people being interviewed

[3dman27]

**** you! Quit turning this into a HHH/Steph bash for one mother****ing night. You don't know these people. You don't know how they feel. HHH is not pure evil, & do not have the right to assume that he wasn't sincere. Quit spinning him into the embodiment of the devil, because he is also human. Now is not the time.
i agree

[3dman27]

i thought hearing Vince scream VIVA LA RAZA was pretty great but i did think it was pretty wierd that Dean Malenko was there and he didnt do an interview and one difference between the Owen and Eddie tributes was that i think Owens had more people being interviewed
this weeks smackdown is also a tribute to eddie maybe mr malenko's comments will be there

[Hunter Rider]

I only saw the begining (i have the rest taped) but i shed a tear during the Cash video,The guys were all class acts last night IMO

Goodbye Eddie and Thank You:( :up:

[GLfan]

I only saw the begining (i have the rest taped) but i shed a tear during the Cash video,The guys were all class acts last night IMO

Goodbye Eddie and Thank You:( :up:
I had to tape the rest too, and I agree with you. Vince showed some class at last, dealing with the situation haven't seen a 10 count bell ring in quite awhile. Gorilla Monsoon and JYD didn't get this kind of a send off which was sad imo.

[Colossal Spoons]

**** you! Quit turning this into a HHH/Steph bash for one mother****ing night. You don't know these people. You don't know how they feel. HHH is not pure evil, & do not have the right to assume that he wasn't sincere. Quit spinning him into the embodiment of the devil, because he is also human. Now is not the time.

Whoa, whoa, calm down! I like HHH and have never said anything bad about him....ever. I do believe all that swearing was most uncalled for. So you and 3dman and whoever else would like to **** me will just have to wait 'till I deserve it, thanks.

[Bad Superman]

Benoit was very emotional. His tribute actually brought tears to my eyes.

RIP Eddie

[Hunter Rider]

The stage at the beginning was very powerful but when they played the cash song and showed his great moments it brought a shiver to my spine and tears in my eyes
I also thought that Rey and Shawn did a match worthy of his memory and that Shawn was a class act the way he lost to Rey,their bonding at the end was so genuine it made me tear again
One person that really caught me off guard was Steph,she was so very sincere and upset but nothing prepared me for Benoit,a man Ive always respected and who seemed like the ultimate hard man,his pain literally came off the screen,my heart broke for him

Cena's touch at the end was classy and bears out the reports of him being a good guy no matter what anyone thinks of his wrestling

[Bad Superman]

The stage at the beginning was very powerful but when they played the cash song and showed his great moments it brought a shiver to my spine and tears in my eyes
I also thought that Rey and Shawn did a match worthy of his memory and that Shawn was a class act the way he lost to Rey,their bonding at the end was so genuine it made me tear again
One person that really caught me off guard was Steph,she was so very sincere and upset but nothing prepared me for Benoit,a man Ive always respected and who seemed like the ultimate hard man,his pain literally came off the screen,my heart broke for him

Cena's touch at the end was classy and bears out the reports of him being a good guy no matter what anyone thinks of his wrestling

I missed the first part of the show, but my girlfriend's brother recorded it. I hope I can watch the whole show ASAP. Cena's tribute was awesome.

[Hunter Rider]

I missed the first part of the show, but my girlfriend's brother recorded it. I hope I can watch the whole show ASAP. Cena's tribute was awesome.

Very classy i thought:up:

Bit of news:

Former TNA wrestler Ryan "Trytan" Wilson recently signed a WWE developmental deal and is now working in Ohio Valley Wrestling. Wilson first debuted in TNA with the "Trytan" character against Monty Brown at the Desination X PPV on March 13 and made his last official appearance with TNA back in July. He is currently working under the name "Tytus" as TNA owns the rights to the Trytan name.

[LastSunrise1981]

I dunno, HHH and Stephanie didn't seem too "sincere" tonight. But whatever, damn good show to pay respect to Eddie.

Cena laying the shirt and belt down almost teared me up like I did last night after watching the tribute video somebody posted here.

They were sincere. It may've looked that way because they were trying to hold themselves together, you could tell Triple H and Stephanie were sincere about Eddie.

I would LOVE to see what JBL, Booker T, Matt Hardy, and maybe even Edge has to say about this? I know Booker and Eddie were friends, Eddie was one of the main people at JBL's wedding too.

I'm still not really believing this loss though. It doesn't feel real and it's shame too, because Eddie was definitely a gift from God himself. We can sit back and hate on HHH, Stephanie, or Vince. But what Steph, HHH, and Vince did last night was very classy, emotional, and sincere in my opinion.

You didn't see HHH place his hand on Benoits back?

[Hunter Rider]

They were sincere. It may've looked that way because they were trying to hold themselves together, you could tell Triple H and Stephanie were sincere about Eddie.

I would LOVE to see what JBL, Booker T, Matt Hardy, and maybe even Edge has to say about this? I know Booker and Eddie were friends, Eddie was one of the main people at JBL's wedding too.

I'm still not really believing this loss though. It doesn't feel real and it's shame too, because Eddie was definitely a gift from God himself. We can sit back and hate on HHH, Stephanie, or Vince. But what Steph, HHH, and Vince did last night was very classy, emotional, and sincere in my opinion.

You didn't see HHH place his hand on Benoits back?

I did and apparently they stood hugging in the ring for a long time after their match on SD

[0neDisturbedSOB]

I thought overall it was a nice tribute for Eddie. I'll never forget the tribute for Owen all those years ago....I made it thru the entire show until Austin came out and did his "salute" for Owen at the end. The same thing was true this time with Cena. Despite not knowing Eddie personally, I am saddened by the loss of a person who was so important to those around him. Eddie was a tremendous performer, and apparently one of the nicest, most humble people you'd ever hope to meet.

The individual "memories" of Eddie were very nice, and heartfelt and I found myself really being deeply saddened by the loss of this human being. I think the fact that all of the wrestlers were out of character (for the most part), but they still went out and put on one hell of a show was incredible. You could tell that each wrestler felt like crying but still did their job because it's what he would have wanted....very classy on their part.

I have a newfound respect for Vince and the people in the WWE. They truely do love eachother like family, and when one "falls" they can all come together and give that person a proper send off that they deserve.

Cena's tribute was very nice, I guess it's his way of saying that Eddie will ALWAYS be a champion. I also think that HBK showed real class in doing the clean job to Rey....that was an amazing match, and the respect shown at the end was incredible.

[Colossal Spoons]

Just looked a bit forced on both their parts as compared to the people who were obviously close to Eddie like Chavo, Rey, and Benoit. Even Batista's tears looked as though he was really close.

Maybe I am confusing an attempt to keep themselves composed for lack of sincerity. I've just been to lots of funerals where the person paying respects to the deceased didn't much care for the person and squeezed out a few tears because they were on the spot.

Anyway LastSunrise, I see what you meant and I want to make it clear that I have not joined the ranks of HHH/Steph haters. I was just commenting, I guess Eddie's death caused emotions to run a little rampant around here. Bad timing on my part.

[0neDisturbedSOB]

Different people react to loss in different ways. I don't think HHH/Steph were any less sincere than anyone else on the show.

[Colossal Spoons]

^Understood :up:

[Bad Superman]

Stephanie's comments made me think Eddie was scheduled to win the World Heavyweight Championship before the year was over.

[Hunter Rider]

Stephanie's comments made me think Eddie was scheduled to win the World Heavyweight Championship before the year was over.

He was probably gonna win it at the tapings last night:(

[Bad Superman]

He was probably gonna win it at the tapings last night:(

:(

I wish this week was already over, wrestling wise. Too darn sad.

[Hunter Rider]

:(

I wish this week was already over, wrestling wise. Too darn sad.

I agree,i can't think about anything but Eddie when it comes to talking Wrestling

[Super_Ludacris]

BTW, am I only who did not have a problem with MNM jobbing and the divas battle royal?
A few of my buddies who are big wrestling fans thought it was out of the place and stupid for vince to do that. I was like, I see your point but the show must go on.
It can't all be tributes and depression.Surely Eddie himself would want it that way.
I heard some people on ign complaining that most of the wrestlers were jobbing and overselling there tears....but that's IGN there anal punditry has spread across the world wide web and collectivley dumbed down the net. *shrug*
But I must give props to Eddie, he really did become a main eventer and champion the old fashion way. He came up through the independents and worked and toured HARD. A lot people outside of wrestling may not understand why there was so much tributes going on for a guy who really didn't have the cross over appeal of Hogan, Austin, Rock or the longevity of Hart,Flair,Foley but nevertheless he was a firm,firm fan favourite with an underestimated but overwhelming and strong fanbase and thats why he gets his props.

I liked Cena, Rey and Shawn's tributes last night
RIP no doubt to one of the hardest working wrestlers in the industry

[LastSunrise1981]

This is going to take a long time to get over. It's not going to be the same watching Smackdown; Eddie just had that natural ability to perform and make you love him, hate him, or even be angry at him sometimes.

But he will be missed tremendously. My wife and I watched the tribute, and I cried, I cried right in front of her because it was so sad and so powerful to see a man who overcame his demons and become a better man, a better father, and husband to his family.

I don't want to sound like a prick or anything; however, why is it that the GOOD people pass on? I don't wish death or harm on anyone, but you have murderers, pedophiles, rapists, hardcore racists, and abusive husbands/fathers who seem to live life unscathed and not sick. It just blows my mind that this happened to someone like Eddie, who was as they said, one of the NICEST and most HUMBLE man that you would ever meet.

Eddie is a role model to me. We all should live our life, just he lived ours and one day we will meet him again in Heaven.

But you know what makes it sadder? Is that HBK mentioned that they never had a chance to wrestle, but will have it when they meet each other in the ring in Heaven. That was beautiful and it's a shame we'll never see that dream match. :(

This is going to be one long week. Oh yeah, on MSNBC there's going to be a tribute to Eddie Guerrero on Rita Cosby's show at 9:00pm.

[LastSunrise1981]

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Eddie Guerrero's Autopsy Report (with Vickie's comments)
http://www.wwe.com/inside/news/causeofdeath

Vickie Guerrero speaks on Eddie's autopsy report
Nov. 15, 2005

After the untimely passing of Eddie Guerrero, WWE and the entire sports-entertainment community is steel reeling from the devastating loss of a champion. The initial autopsy reports on Guerrero have come in. WWE.com spoke with Eddie’s widow, Vickie Guerrero, earlier today.

“It was heart failure. It was from his past – the drinking and the drug abuse. They found signs of heart disease. She (the examiner) said that the blood vessels were very worn and narrow, and that just showed all the abuse from the scheduling of work and his past. And Eddie just worked out like crazy all the time. It made his heart grow bigger and work harder and the vessels were getting smaller, and that’s what caused the heart failure. He went into a deep sleep.

As soon as they saw his heart, they saw the lining of his heart already had the heart disease. There was no trauma, and Eddie hadn’t hurt himself in any way. It answered a lot of questions. I knew Eddie wasn’t feeling very good for the last week. He was home and kept saying he wasn’t feeling good and we thought it was just “road tired.” So we thought he just had to rest. It answered a lot of my questions, too, because he was just so exhausted. She said it was normal because the heart was working so hard.

When he didn’t call me last night and the night before I knew it was for real, because he would call me every night. I miss his phone calls. I cried through the whole thing (last night).

I loved his laugh. His laugh was the best.

We just celebrated his four-year sobriety last Thursday. We just thought we had life by the handful. We thought we had it all figured out. He worked so hard to make a better life for us.

I’m just overwhelmed by how people are coming out. It’s touched my heart a lot.

Everybody was just in awe last night in how beautifully everything was put together.

All my life was wrestling. All he did was take care of them and live for that. And I don’t know what to do now.”



RIP Eddie.

[Hunter Rider]

^^^^^Everytime i think im starting to deal with it something new comes up and i feel the sadness again:(

[0neDisturbedSOB]

I don't want to sound like a prick or anything; however, why is it that the GOOD people pass on?

It's often been said that those who do so much good here on Earth, are chosen "early" to continue their good someplace else.

Eddie's death may help to change the way people view wrestling, or the wrestlers themselves. That Colin Cowheard guy went on the radio saying how Eddie's death wasn't even newsworthy, and how no one really cared....well within minutes they had to unplug their phones because "thousands upon thousands" of people who seemingly didn't care called in to voice their opinions.

Eddie raised the bar in his wrestling career...he will go down in history as the first hispanic wrestler to EVER win the WWE title....no one can take that away from him.

[Super_Ludacris]

Eddie raised the bar in his wrestling career...he will go down in history as the first hispanic wrestler to EVER win the WWE title....no one can take that away from him.

Pedro Morales would disagree....

[Hunter Rider]

Eddie was the first mexican not first Latin wrestler to win the world title i believe

[0neDisturbedSOB]

Interesting because I heard that said repeadtedly on last night's broadcast. Actually what I think they said was "Latino/American" or something along those lines.

[Bad Superman]

Man. . . this hurts like hell. I think the last time I've felt this way was when Christopher Reeve passed.

[The_Guyver]

I don't normally post on this thread, just read through it, but I will today. Condolences to Eddie's family, friends, and wrestling fans accross the world, they're in my prayers. My whole family loved the guy, he was the house favourite. We'll miss him dearly. I've been up all night reading reports and such. I'm Latino and live in Australia, and Raw will air in about 10 hours, which I will tape, as well as Smackdown on friday. I didn't think I'd cry, but when I saw his picture on a wrestling website, I did, and I tear up reading comments from his fans in various websites. The last autopsy report with comments by his wife that LastSunrise 1981 posted really hurt the most though. I'm so very sorry for her and their daughters. One of the greatest of all times has left us, but what a legacy he left behind.

Eddie, latino heat, descansa en paz, viva la raza para siempre, nunca te olvidaremos vato loco!

[Hunter Rider]

Some people have been arguing as to whether or not Colin Cowherd's comments on ESPN radio yesterday where tasteless, although, it goes without saying that the following comments made on a Boston radio show earlier this morning were most definitely tasteless as the host(s) made crass comments on not only Eddie Guerrero, but Owen Hart as well. Here is what was said on that radio station. Thanks to PhoenixofZion for tipping this off.... On Denis & Callahan on WEEI out of Boston this morning they mentioned Eddie's death, ragged on him for probably doing steroids, and then said "Well, at least he didn't fall out of the rafters like some of them do...SPLAT!" WEEI 850 AM Sports Radio out of Boston has a phone number you can call at (617)779-3500 if you'd like to voice a complaint. The site also has a e-mail form which you can fill out if you have to something to tell them online. The "contact us" link is below. http://www.weei.com/contactus.asp

The mood backstage in the locker-rooms is still somber. The guys left yesterday and are now in Europe. Several of the guys who stayed behind will be flown out later this week after the funeral.

[Bad Superman]

Some people have been arguing as to whether or not Colin Cowherd's comments on ESPN radio yesterday where tasteless, although, it goes without saying that the following comments made on a Boston radio show earlier this morning were most definitely tasteless as the host(s) made crass comments on not only Eddie Guerrero, but Owen Hart as well. Here is what was said on that radio station. Thanks to PhoenixofZion for tipping this off.... On Denis & Callahan on WEEI out of Boston this morning they mentioned Eddie's death, ragged on him for probably doing steroids, and then said "Well, at least he didn't fall out of the rafters like some of them do...SPLAT!" WEEI 850 AM Sports Radio out of Boston has a phone number you can call at (617)779-3500 if you'd like to voice a complaint. The site also has a e-mail form which you can fill out if you have to something to tell them online. The "contact us" link is below. http://www.weei.com/contactus.asp

The mood backstage in the locker-rooms is still somber. The guys left yesterday and are now in Europe. Several of the guys who stayed behind will be flown out later this week after the funeral.

I think WWE should invite Cowherd to a private WWE party hosted by Bret Hart and Chris Benoit. He'll change his tune in a heart beat. :mad:

I hope the fans keep writing in protest of that Cowdung's comments.

[0neDisturbedSOB]

I would've thought the WWE would have cancelled their European tour so that they could all attend his funeral.

[Bad Superman]

I would've thought the WWE would have cancelled their European tour so that they could all attend his funeral.

I think I read somewhere that they were pushing back a few show dates in order for the guys to be able to attend the funeral.

[Hunter Rider]

Does anyone have a copy of the Johnny cash song they could upload for me please ?

[LastSunrise1981]

I think WWE should invite Cowherd to a private WWE party hosted by Bret Hart and Chris Benoit. He'll change his tune in a heart beat. :mad:

I hope the fans keep writing in protest of that Cowdung's comments.

I definitely say lock him in a room with Benoit, Bret Hart, Batista, Triple H, and Chris Jericho. He'll definitely change his tune afterwards, but you know what? People like him are stupid in nature and he'll get his back in time, however, we have to remember that Eddie wouldn't want us wasting our breath on him.

What he said was very disrespectful and tasteless. It won't surprise me one bit if he's fired or gets his assed kicked.

[0neDisturbedSOB]

He'll get fired, there's too much of a backlash for him not to. Actually, he'll either get fired or he'll get suspended and have to issue a public apology to everyone saying something along the lines of "what I said was not truly what I meant...." some BS like that.

[The Sage]

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Eddie Guerrero's Autopsy Report (with Vickie's comments)
http://www.wwe.com/inside/news/causeofdeath

Vickie Guerrero speaks on Eddie's autopsy report
Nov. 15, 2005

After the untimely passing of Eddie Guerrero, WWE and the entire sports-entertainment community is steel reeling from the devastating loss of a champion. The initial autopsy reports on Guerrero have come in. WWE.com spoke with Eddie’s widow, Vickie Guerrero, earlier today.

“It was heart failure. It was from his past – the drinking and the drug abuse. They found signs of heart disease. She (the examiner) said that the blood vessels were very worn and narrow, and that just showed all the abuse from the scheduling of work and his past. And Eddie just worked out like crazy all the time. It made his heart grow bigger and work harder and the vessels were getting smaller, and that’s what caused the heart failure. He went into a deep sleep.

As soon as they saw his heart, they saw the lining of his heart already had the heart disease. There was no trauma, and Eddie hadn’t hurt himself in any way. It answered a lot of questions. I knew Eddie wasn’t feeling very good for the last week. He was home and kept saying he wasn’t feeling good and we thought it was just “road tired.” So we thought he just had to rest. It answered a lot of my questions, too, because he was just so exhausted. She said it was normal because the heart was working so hard.

When he didn’t call me last night and the night before I knew it was for real, because he would call me every night. I miss his phone calls. I cried through the whole thing (last night).

I loved his laugh. His laugh was the best.

We just celebrated his four-year sobriety last Thursday. We just thought we had life by the handful. We thought we had it all figured out. He worked so hard to make a better life for us.

I’m just overwhelmed by how people are coming out. It’s touched my heart a lot.

Everybody was just in awe last night in how beautifully everything was put together.

All my life was wrestling. All he did was take care of them and live for that. And I don’t know what to do now.”



RIP Eddie.

I really feel for the Guerrero family. I know how it is to have a relative suffer from past drink and drug problems catching up to him/her. But Eddie is in a better place.

Wow, this is weird. I had just started watching wrestling when Owen Hart died, so his death didn't affect me much at all. But Eddie....:(

[Super_Ludacris]

He'll get fired, there's too much of a backlash for him not to. Actually, he'll either get fired or he'll get suspended and have to issue a public apology to everyone saying something along the lines of "what I said was not truly what I meant...." some BS like that.


In fairness I see his point, but he just didn't appreciate the hordes of fans that Eddie had. But in all honesty it would stupid if he got fired for that because whether we agree with it or not they are millions of non-wrestling fans who may feel the same. His timing was inappropiate and was it a death but both sides need to calm the **** down

[Sarge 2.0]

In fairness I see his point, but he just didn't appreciate the hordes of fans that Eddie had. But in all honesty it would stupid if he got fired for that because whether we agree with it or not they are millions of non-wrestling fans who may feel the same. His timing was inappropiate and was it a death but both sides need to calm the **** downBut he was the one who made tasteless and inflammatory comments...not only about pro wrestling but about Owen freaking Hart. I think one side (*cough* us *cough) has the right to be a little ticked off.

[PyroChamber]

That was a great tribute. Rey, Benoit, and Steph remembering Eddie really got to me, although I didn't expect to hear from Lillian Garcia. Great matches also especially with Cena and Orton.

This may sound a bit weird, but the fact that they did an autopsy on him kinda freaks me out.

[0neDisturbedSOB]

In fairness I see his point, but he just didn't appreciate the hordes of fans that Eddie had. But in all honesty it would stupid if he got fired for that because whether we agree with it or not they are millions of non-wrestling fans who may feel the same. His timing was inappropiate and was it a death but both sides need to calm the **** down

I don't think he should get fired either, but I do believe an apology is in order. Regardless of whether you like professional wrestling or not, to say what he said about a fellow HUMAN BEING is completely out of line and tasteless. I'm all for freedom of expression and all that, but sometimes you also have to learn when to just shut your mouth....apparently he didn't learn that lesson prior to this, but I bet he has now.

[The Batman]

Wow, this is weird. I had just started watching wrestling when Owen Hart died, so his death didn't affect me much at all. But Eddie....:(

I feel the same way....

[Eric Draven]

Some people have been arguing as to whether or not Colin Cowherd's comments on ESPN radio yesterday where tasteless, although, it goes without saying that the following comments made on a Boston radio show earlier this morning were most definitely tasteless as the host(s) made crass comments on not only Eddie Guerrero, but Owen Hart as well. Here is what was said on that radio station. Thanks to PhoenixofZion for tipping this off.... On Denis & Callahan on WEEI out of Boston this morning they mentioned Eddie's death, ragged on him for probably doing steroids, and then said "Well, at least he didn't fall out of the rafters like some of them do...SPLAT!" WEEI 850 AM Sports Radio out of Boston has a phone number you can call at (617)779-3500 if you'd like to voice a complaint. The site also has a e-mail form which you can fill out if you have to something to tell them online. The "contact us" link is below. http://www.weei.com/contactus.asp


...........

Are you serious?

Did they actually think that was funny? Laughing at the death of someone?

Do you think those *******s would find it funny if other people made fun if they died?

I can't believe people sometimes.....

[cabel]

give them ten minutes with Beniot in the Dungeon and we'll see whose laughing

[Sarge 2.0]

give them ten minutes with Beniot in the Dungeon and we'll see whose laughingOr 30 seconds in the ring with Big Show. :o

[Sabretooth]

If Bret Hart could still wrestle I'd like to see him kick that guy's ass.

[LastSunrise1981]

I'm still in denial over the whole ordeal. My mind and heart just refuses to accept that Eddie is dead. Maybe it's due to the fact that I loved Eddie so much, and much like EVERY wrestling fan, we appreciated his work ethic and his ability to make us cheer for him regardless if he was a heel or face.

Wrestling is one empty existence without Eddie and I think we're slowly grasping that reality. It's going to be very hard to watch Smackdown without Eddie, it's going to be hard watching wrestling without Eddie.

When I think of wrestling, I definitely think of Eddie Guerrero and it's just so damn unfair. It's unfair that a great man, a great father/husband/christian, a great wrestler, and a role model like Eddie just passes on into the next life.

It's going to take a long time to get over for sure. This isn't just some random person who passed away, this is Eddie Guerrero aka Latino Heat we're talking about. He's one of a kind and he'll never be replaced.

[Sabretooth]

Rey put it best.Hopefully this is just a dream,nightmare really,that we all wanna wake up from.

I myself just don't want to accept that he's gone.It's too much. If SD! was down in the dumps,he would come out and just shine.Ever since he died,I feel bad cause I never got the chance to meet him.But maybe someday I finally will.

[Colossal Spoons]

Or 30 seconds in the ring with Big Show. :o

Nobody's tears got to me like his did, not even Benoits. Seeing that 7 foot tall giant shed tears was just powerful. Big Show's the kinda guy who I could never imagine crying for some reason, his lips were trembling last night while he fought hard to hold the tears back. A face I'll never forget :(


On a slightly happier note, seeing Batista cry was quite a warm and fuzzy moment for me. I always knew my favorite wrestler(at the moment) was a big softy. He looked like a little boy when he was giving his testimony for Eddie, definately bumped him up a few notches in my book. :)

[Bad Superman]

I'm still in denial over the whole ordeal. My mind and heart just refuses to accept that Eddie is dead. Maybe it's due to the fact that I loved Eddie so much, and much like EVERY wrestling fan, we appreciated his work ethic and his ability to make us cheer for him regardless if he was a heel or face.

Wrestling is one empty existence without Eddie and I think we're slowly grasping that reality. It's going to be very hard to watch Smackdown without Eddie, it's going to be hard watching wrestling without Eddie.

When I think of wrestling, I definitely think of Eddie Guerrero and it's just so damn unfair. It's unfair that a great man, a great father/husband/christian, a great wrestler, and a role model like Eddie just passes on into the next life.

It's going to take a long time to get over for sure. This isn't just some random person who passed away, this is Eddie Guerrero aka Latino Heat we're talking about. He's one of a kind and he'll never be replaced.

Amen, brother. Couldn't' have said it better.

[GLfan]

AUTOPSY RESULTS!!

Vickie Guerrero speaks on Eddie's autopsy report:

"After the untimely passing of Eddie Guerrero, WWE and the entire sports-entertainment community is still reeling from the devastating loss of a champion. The initial autopsy reports on Guerrero have come in. WWE.com spoke with Eddie’s widow, Vickie Guerrero, earlier today.

“It was heart failure. It was from his past – the drinking and the drug abuse. They found signs of heart disease. She (the examiner) said that the blood vessels were very worn and narrow, and that just showed all the abuse from the scheduling of work and his past. And Eddie just worked out like crazy all the time. It made his heart grow bigger and work harder and the vessels were getting smaller, and that’s what caused the heart failure. He went into a deep sleep.

As soon as they saw his heart, they saw the lining of his heart already had the heart disease. There was no trauma, and Eddie hadn’t hurt himself in any way. It answered a lot of questions. I knew Eddie wasn’t feeling very good for the last week. He was home and kept saying he wasn’t feeling good and we thought it was just “road tired.” So we thought he just had to rest. It answered a lot of my questions, too, because he was just so exhausted. She said it was normal because the heart was working so hard.

When he didn’t call me last night and the night before I knew it was for real, because he would call me every night. I miss his phone calls. I cried through the whole thing (last night).

I loved his laugh. His laugh was the best.

We just celebrated his four-year sobriety last Thursday. We just thought we had life by the handful. We thought we had it all figured out. He worked so hard to make a better life for us.

I’m just overwhelmed by how people are coming out. It’s touched my heart a lot.

Everybody was just in awe last night in how beautifully everything was put together.

All my life was wrestling. All he did was take care of them and live for that. And I don’t know what to do now.”

[0neDisturbedSOB]

I think all of the tributes on RAW were heartfelt and sincere, and each person brought their own memories of Eddie to share. Cena's tribute was very, very nice because it seems like it's his way of saying that Eddie will always be a champion. I am interested to see Smackdown this weekend, because I haven't ready anything about the matches or what kind of tribute it's going to be. I would assume that Smackdown would go all out since it was "Eddie's show".

[Hunter Rider]

This is the guy WWE are bringing up to feud with Kane next year:(


http://img280.imageshack.us/img280/4184/dorian28mc.jpg (http://imageshack.us/?x=my6&myref=http://imageshack.us/)

Looks like the love child of CW Anderson and Snitzky:eek:

[Hunter Rider]

http://www.wwe.com/inside/news/rossrememberseddie

Jim Ross remembers Eddie Guerrero
Nov. 15, 2005

Eddie Guerrero and I had a special relationship that came together over time. The catalyst was the challenges this wonderful human being faced in his daily life. I know our relationship was special because I can feel it so strongly in my heart at this very moment — and because Eddie told me so this morning in a dream.

I managed the talent roster for WWE when Eddie was hired at WWE. I had known him and his famous wrestling family for years prior to Eddie becoming a WWE Superstar. But it was after Eddie came to WWE that our relationship became diverse, involved, and, luckily for me, one of the most rewarding and valued relationships I have ever developed in this business. Unfortunately, this unique industry is not famous for people building long-term relationships with their peers that last a lifetime. That’s another story for another time.

I will never forget Eddie. I will never forget the face-to-face, spirited discussions we had over his demons. I will never forget the moment we finally reached common ground, with tears flowing and hugs abounding. We both knew we had turned the corner and now there was a fighting chance for this amazing wrestler to live out the balance of his life clean and sober. Eddie got the help he needed. He returned to us a better man, and he became an even bigger star. Eddie Guerrero is easily one of the 10 best in-ring talents I have seen in 33 years in this business. I was so proud of Eddie, and I told him so every single time I saw him from the day he returned to work until the last time I saw him at SummerSlam.

Eddie seemed a little tired at SummerSlam in August when I saw him at the MCI Arena in Washington, D.C. But when our eyes locked he immediately had an ear-to-ear grin on his face and we embraced like long lost brothers. I guess in a way we were brothers … of the wrestling business. I kidded him about stealing the show at SummerSlam and how that might not sit well with those that had to follow “Latino Heat.” He smiled that mischievous smile of his that we all grew to love because that was exactly what Eddie had on his mind. I wished him good luck and told him how excited I was to be able to sit and watch his match just like a regular fan. We hugged for a few moments but not nearly long enough — as I realized when the news of my friend’s death reached me early Sunday morning.

Eddie, I am sorry I could not be a part of your tribute on Monday Night RAW. But you know my heart was there and you know that I will never forget you or what you have meant to me. You once told my wife that I saved your life. I don’t know about that, but I do know this: You definitely made my life better by me simply knowing you. Eddie, you constantly reminded me that “respect” is still the top priority for being a wrestler — even though it doesn’t always seem that way to everyone in this generation. I hope the young wrestlers in this business continue to look to you for inspiration and guidance. You were a wonderful inspiration to me and to so many others — not only as a wrestler but as a husband, father, brother and friend.

I want to smile as I remember you now because I am weary from crying. Goodbye “Uncle Eddie,” until we see each other again. —Jim Ross

[Colossal Spoons]

Eh, people said the same thing about Snitsky when they first saw him and I actually like Gene. Maybe this new creepy guy will make for a good feud w/ Kane. We'll see.

[Hunter Rider]

Eh, people said the same thing about Snitsky when they first saw him and I actually like Gene. Maybe this new creepy guy will make for a good feud w/ Kane. We'll see.
Snitzky still doesn't impress me
Im just bored of all these mucley guys with no in ring talent

[punishermax]

Snitzky still doesn't impress me
Im just bored of all these mucley guys with no in ring talent

Snitsky isn't even that ripped, he just sucks.

[Colossal Spoons]

Snitsky isn't what I consider a muscle-guy. He's has that natural size; like Big Show as he's just so damn weird. I dunno, he's good for a laugh, and his face is priceless.

[0neDisturbedSOB]

Here's something I did in about an hour or so. I looked all around for good pictures of Eddie, but ultimately I decided to use the picture they have on the tribute t-shirt from WWE.com because it's a very powerful shot of him. Nothing too special, just my personal tribute to one of the greatest of all time.

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a194/JRomero99/Eddie-tribute.jpg

[Hunter Rider]

Here's something I did in about an hour or so. I looked all around for good pictures of Eddie, but ultimately I decided to use the picture they have on the tribute t-shirt from WWE.com because it's a very powerful shot of him. Nothing too special, just my personal tribute to one of the greatest of all time.

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a194/JRomero99/Eddie-tribute.jpg

Beautiful work man:( :up:

[NDX]

Snitzky I think was brought too quickly. Other than his entertaining feud with Kane he has shown nothing impressive in the ring. Actually, he's been rather stale and repetative. I'd like to see him do more in the ring because that face of his is priceless and could be marketed well. Maybe eventually he'll become a better wrestler, but he should have stayed in OVW for around another year for refinement.

And that was very well done tribute SOB.

[Eklypze]

yeah man that picture is amazing really beautiful work. I was just wandering guys have any of you guys seen Paul Burchills C-4 finisher that WWE wont let him do they also wont let him do his standing shooting star press but his C-4 is one of the greatest moves ive ever seen its a backflip rockbottom i swear it is some amazing stuff

[White_Howling]

yeah man that picture is amazing really beautiful work. I was just wandering guys have any of you guys seen Paul Burchills C-4 finisher that WWE wont let him do they also wont let him do his standing shooting star press but his C-4 is one of the greatest moves ive ever seen its a backflip rockbottom i swear it is some amazing stuff


where can i downlaod a video of that?

[Eklypze]

http://www.fwaonlineplus.com/free.html?PHPSESSID=5f3eb9c4d16c9a8081463a0587bb99 e3#burchill
this should be it its a little ways down the page its called the C$ but alot of the other stuff is cool Burchill is an amazing wrestler he has no business in the wwe he could really shine somewhere like tna but for real the c4 is an amazing move the only move i can think of to top it is the Canadian destroyer and it doesnt beat it by much

[0neDisturbedSOB]

That C4 movie is pretty f**king awesome.

[punishermax]

A lot of backyarders like using the C-4, it is a great move.

[Eklypze]

yeah man i told you guys its a great move i didnt know that alot of backyarders use it though ive never even seen it til i saw what it has in that link

[White_Howling]

http://www.fwaonlineplus.com/free.html?PHPSESSID=5f3eb9c4d16c9a8081463a0587bb99 e3#burchill
this should be it its a little ways down the page its called the C$ but alot of the other stuff is cool Burchill is an amazing wrestler he has no business in the wwe he could really shine somewhere like tna but for real the c4 is an amazing move the only move i can think of to top it is the Canadian destroyer and it doesnt beat it by much


wow thats ****ing amazing..

does the person hes doing it to jump forward?

[Eklypze]

yeah i would say that he does jump forward pretty much like alot of other wrestling moves

[The_Guyver]

I don't feel that bad about Eddie wrestler guy dying. After all, he knew Hulk Hogan, and the world should kill everyone who rememebrs him.

That's what board member BrodieBruce has written as part of his signature. I guess since there's nothing the moderators can do about it because he's entitled to his own opinion, my opinion is that only a true CABRON would write that :down

[GLfan]

That's what board member BruceBrody has written as part of his signature. I guess since there's nothing the moderators can do about it because he's entitled to his own opinion, my opinion is that only a true CABRON would write that :downIt's showing everyone how ignorant immature he is being, and that's my opinion.

[Hunter Rider]

Source: PWTorch Newsletter (Subscription available www.pwtorch.com)

-- In the latest PWTorch newsletter, editor Wade Keller states quite bluntly that there is apparently a top wrestler wrestling in the WWE today who's considered to be on an "unofficial death watch". He doesn't go on to further elaborate on who this wrestler is, but he does go on to mention how people need to do what it takes to keep him alive, even at the "expense of box office receipts, storyline interruptions" and more.

-- The deathwatch, which is apparently no secret to most within WWE, is still possibly unknown to Vince McMahon, who would need to be informed. The un-named wrestler, should he pass away, would make the coverage of the shocking and tragic news this week of the passing of Eddie Guerrero look minor by comparison, due to his credentials.

-- This has been my first news post since the passing of Eddie Guerrero, and I would like to personally send my condolences to Eddie's family and friends, both in and out of wrestling.

[GLfan]

I read that one, it's all hearsay right now and not even interesting they won't provide a name. It makes me question the validity.

[Super_Ludacris]

Source: PWTorch Newsletter (Subscription available www.pwtorch.com)

-- In the latest PWTorch newsletter, editor Wade Keller states quite bluntly that there is apparently a top wrestler wrestling in the WWE today who's considered to be on an "unofficial death watch". He doesn't go on to further elaborate on who this wrestler is, but he does go on to mention how people need to do what it takes to keep him alive, even at the "expense of box office receipts, storyline interruptions" and more.

-- The deathwatch, which is apparently no secret to most within WWE, is still possibly unknown to Vince McMahon, who would need to be informed. The un-named wrestler, should he pass away, would make the coverage of the shocking and tragic news this week of the passing of Eddie Guerrero look minor by comparison, due to his credentials.

-- This has been my first news post since the passing of Eddie Guerrero, and I would like to personally send my condolences to Eddie's family and friends, both in and out of wrestling.




Yikes.....

[Bad Superman]

That's what board member BruceBrody has written as part of his signature. I guess since there's nothing the moderators can do about it because he's entitled to his own opinion, my opinion is that only a true CABRON would write that :down

Totally agree. :up:

[Hunter Rider]

Recap of Bret Hart on WWE.com's Byte This
Hosted by: Todd Grisham
Date: November 16, 2005
Recap by: Adam Martin of WrestleView.com (http://www.wrestleview.com/)

Todd Grisham welcomes Bret Hart to the show.

Grisham brings up Eddie Guerrero's passing. Bret calls it a real shame. He said Eddie was a special one kind of a guy. Bret said he lived up to what everyone said about him. He said he was a warm, kind, human being and that it was a shame he passed away.

Bret on his new DVD release:

Bret said judged on the people he has shown it to, they have been happy with it. Called it a first rate production. Bret was happy with the production people that worked with him.

Said the DVD was talked about for a long time. Bret said the concept was first a video years ago with Vince McMahon. Said he heard about the original DVD and he called Vince to take it in a different direction. Bret said they were able to focus more on the positive instead of the negative. Said he always wanted to be remembered for what he contributed to the WWE and Vince agreed as well. Bret said he always wanted to give back to the fans.

On his relationship with Vince McMahon:

Bret said there were always going to be some concerns. He said they have a good dialogue between each other and that Vince bent over backwards to see that things were right with the DVD.

How his health is right now:

Bret said his health is good, but he won't ever get back in the ring again. Said he didn't leave on the terms he wanted to with the concussion. Bret said he was as proud of his first match as he was with his last match. Glad the fans didn't get to see him hanging on too long as other older wrestlers do.

What it was like for him to watch his first ever pro wrestling match that is featured on the new WWE DVD:

Bret said it was important to him that the DVD didn't just include his WWE and WCW footage. Said he had a great career working for his father and it is a shame they couldn't pick up other overseas footage in Japan or Germany. Bret said his days in Stampede Wrestling were as good as his days on top in WWE. He said when people watch the footage of his early days in Stampede, he was only wrestling for about three months. Bret said it was a very physical style they worked in Stampede. He said he loves to see how fans get into that old footage that they might not have seen before.

How he got into pro wrestling:

Bret said he was never forced into wrestling, but more coaxed into amatuer wrestling. He said he would have rather played football or hockey instead. Bret said his father wanted all of his sons to at least take a shot at wrestling.

On getting to go overseas to promote the DVD:

He said if he goes to Germany, it would be special since he had an amazing fan following there. Bret said he always had a strong following in the U.K. and noted that his match with British Bulldog was his favorite.

The Hart Foundation and teaming with Jim Neidhart:

He said he defined himself when he teamed with Jim Neidhart as the Hart Foundation tag team. Bret said they are still very close friends. He brought up that Jim go to see the DVD and was impressed with it. Bret noted that he wanted Jim to play a strong role in the DVD. He said there might not have been a Bret Hart without Jim Neidhart. Bret said it took him a while to find his footing as a guy on the mic and noted that Jim helped.

If he still watches WWE & who he likes:

Said he is a fan of Kurt Angle and a throwback to the kind of wrestling he likes. Bret said he would have loved to have wrestled with Eddie Guerrero. He mentioned Chris Benoit and that you could have woken him up at 4 in the morning to wrestle him at anytime. Bret said he is a big fan of Rey Mysterio's work in the ring. He adds guys like Batista and jokes that they would all look good in the Sharpshooter.

On being around wrestling as a young kid:

Said he watched and studied wrestling since the age of 5 until he laced up his boots. Pat O'Connor, Harley Race, Bruno Sammartino and others were mentioned. He said he had a great opportunity and joked that if he worked as hard on his math as he did at studying wrestling than he might have had a different profession.

** They air a classic promo where Bret gives his famous sunglasses to a young kid. Clips from the DVD were shown of people commenting on his career such as Chris Benoit. The clips highlight his relationship with his fans. **

When he started wearing his famous sunglasses:

Bret said he gave his last pair away. Started wearing them in some interviews. Noted that the more interviews you were given, the more up the ladder you got. Bret said he was never a good interviewer and had to learn how to relax. He said when they asked him to do the interview, he did it and when they played it back they noticed his eyes darting back and forth. When they asked him to do it again, he said "one second" and came back with some sunglasses. Bret said he was terrified, but you couldn't tell when he wore the sunglasses. He said down the line he slowly got his confidence back and let himself go with interviews. Todd Grisham brings up a story about how Batista locked up when he was interviewed for the first time by a TV crew. Bret said he would always pick a great wrestler over a good interview.

Caller asks what he has been doing since he left wrestling and if he would ever return to Pittsburgh, PA:

Bret said he doesn't know, but would like to return to Pittsburgh. He said he always liked Pittsburgh and that it had a lot of similarities to Canada. Bret said he is mostly living his life up in Canada and doing some traveling. Said he tries not to be a slave to hotels anymore.

Another caller asks if he would like to be a manager in WWE for any younger guys coming up:

Bret said he thinks about it, but that he always wanted to be remembered as a great wrestler and not a referee or manager. He said he could probably find a way to make himself useful in wrestling, but feels he has done enough. Bret said he was famous for being a great wrestler and wants to be known for that.

Todd Grisham asks Bret if he watches any guys on WWE TV today and screams at the TV that they are doing something wrong:

Bret said he would like to teach some guys how to put on the Sharpshooter.

Another caller asks if he could have a match with anybody right now, who would it be?

Bret said he would like to have one last match with Kurt Angle, but doesn't see himself ever returning to the ring ever. He said he would like to work with some of the young guys like John Cena and Batista. Bret said he was good at wrestling guys bigger or smaller than him, but was more comfortable with guys at the same size as him like Curt Hennig or British Bulldog.

Todd Grisham asks if anyone can do the Sharpshooter right?

Bret said guys like Chris Benoit and Kurt Angle can do it, but the other guys he sees can't do it right.

How he got the "excellence of execution" nickname:

Gorilla Monsoon.

On where he got "the best there is, was and ever will be" line from:

Bret said he got it from the movie The Natural (1984 film starring Robert Redford) and was more of a filler to use for his mic time. He noted they used it early on in the Hart Foundation. He said some guys fish for something to close a promo with and that was it for him.

His WrestleMania 13 match with Steve Austin:

He said more people come up to him in the last 10 years to tell him that was there favorite match. Bret said it was a classic confrontation between a good guy and bad guy. He said they worked hard together to make their storyline credible.

Word Association:

The Dungeon: Torture chamer.

The British Bulldog: Miss him.

Steve Austin: Great adversary.

Ribbing: Owen.

The Road: Suitcases.

Other people using the Sharpshooter: Not the excellence of execution.

Eric Bischoff: Sweethart, good guy.

Hart Foundation: Greatest tag team there ever was.

Bruno Sammartino: First class champion.

Stu Hart: Stretcher.

"Superstar" Billy Graham: One of a kind.

Dirtsheets: Legitimate history.

WrestleMania: SuperBowl.

The Hitman term: Bret Hart I guess.

Hart Family: Still standing.

Kurt Angle: Best there is. Not yet the best there is, was and ever will be.

Another caller asks if Bret would be willing to do a farewell speech on WWE TV:

Bret said he doesn't know, it is a thought. Bret said it would be very emotional for him to take that kind of step. He said when he had his stroke, it affected him in the sense that he thinks it might be quite overwhelming to walk out in front of a huge wrestling crowd and take a few minutes to say what he would like to say. Bret said he isn't sure if it will ever happen and that it gives him mixed emotions when he thinks about doing it.

If he misses the spotlight:

Bret said he misses the cities, fans and performers. He said he doesn't miss the spotlight. Bret said he doesn't look back on his career as unfinished. He said he pretty much accomplished everything there was to accomplish. Bret said he liked that he left with his head up in a sense and that he gave his all in his first match. He said he didn't have many bad matches and didn't "hang on" too long. Bret said he was still wrestling good when he wrestled Goldberg. He said it was funny how he left both the WWE and WCW as World Champion and never got the chance to drop the title or pass the torch to somebody. Bret said he always found himself in a difficult situation.

On the famous kick from Bill Goldberg in WCW:

He said sometimes when you watch the footage, it looks like he hit the top of his head. Bret said in reality he hit the back of his head and up. Said it was such a powerful quick that he compared it to a horse kicking someone in a barn. He said it is a shame because if you see the footage, he almost gets his hand up to block it, but missed it. Bret said unfortunately it was just one of those things that happened and wished he could go back and do it again sometimes. He said he learned a lot about concussions after that and how severe they can be. Bret said he is living proof of what they can do to your emotions, memory and headaches. Said it was the worst injury he ever had to deal with.

Who is best opponent ever was:

Bret said he had a lot of great opponents and wished he could have wrestled Steve Austin a few more times. He added the same for The Undertaker, noting he enjoyed every match he had with 'Taker. Bret said the name that comes off the top of his head was Curt Hennig. He said Curt was great at taking care of you in the ring. Bret said a lot of things can happen in a wrestling ring and that things don't always go the way they are suppose to. He said Curt was the kind of guy who could catch you if you dove off the top rope and you knew he would protect you.

In closing, Bret said he would never be anything without the fans. He said he hopes they like the DVD and that he is proud of it. Bret said the whole DVD was a tribute to them. Todd Grisham reads down some upcoming Bret Hart appearances in Wayne, NJ, Cambridge, MA and Toronto, Ontario, Canada. Bret said his recent appearances have been great and that many fans have expressed to them how much his career meant to him. (WrestleView.com)

[LastSunrise1981]

Recap of Bret Hart on WWE.com's Byte This
Hosted by: Todd Grisham
Date: November 16, 2005
Recap by: Adam Martin of WrestleView.com (http://www.wrestleview.com/)

Todd Grisham welcomes Bret Hart to the show.

Grisham brings up Eddie Guerrero's passing. Bret calls it a real shame. He said Eddie was a special one kind of a guy. Bret said he lived up to what everyone said about him. He said he was a warm, kind, human being and that it was a shame he passed away.

Bret on his new DVD release:

Bret said judged on the people he has shown it to, they have been happy with it. Called it a first rate production. Bret was happy with the production people that worked with him.

Said the DVD was talked about for a long time. Bret said the concept was first a video years ago with Vince McMahon. Said he heard about the original DVD and he called Vince to take it in a different direction. Bret said they were able to focus more on the positive instead of the negative. Said he always wanted to be remembered for what he contributed to the WWE and Vince agreed as well. Bret said he always wanted to give back to the fans.

On his relationship with Vince McMahon:

Bret said there were always going to be some concerns. He said they have a good dialogue between each other and that Vince bent over backwards to see that things were right with the DVD.

How his health is right now:

Bret said his health is good, but he won't ever get back in the ring again. Said he didn't leave on the terms he wanted to with the concussion. Bret said he was as proud of his first match as he was with his last match. Glad the fans didn't get to see him hanging on too long as other older wrestlers do.

What it was like for him to watch his first ever pro wrestling match that is featured on the new WWE DVD:

Bret said it was important to him that the DVD didn't just include his WWE and WCW footage. Said he had a great career working for his father and it is a shame they couldn't pick up other overseas footage in Japan or Germany. Bret said his days in Stampede Wrestling were as good as his days on top in WWE. He said when people watch the footage of his early days in Stampede, he was only wrestling for about three months. Bret said it was a very physical style they worked in Stampede. He said he loves to see how fans get into that old footage that they might not have seen before.

How he got into pro wrestling:

Bret said he was never forced into wrestling, but more coaxed into amatuer wrestling. He said he would have rather played football or hockey instead. Bret said his father wanted all of his sons to at least take a shot at wrestling.

On getting to go overseas to promote the DVD:

He said if he goes to Germany, it would be special since he had an amazing fan following there. Bret said he always had a strong following in the U.K. and noted that his match with British Bulldog was his favorite.

The Hart Foundation and teaming with Jim Neidhart:

He said he defined himself when he teamed with Jim Neidhart as the Hart Foundation tag team. Bret said they are still very close friends. He brought up that Jim go to see the DVD and was impressed with it. Bret noted that he wanted Jim to play a strong role in the DVD. He said there might not have been a Bret Hart without Jim Neidhart. Bret said it took him a while to find his footing as a guy on the mic and noted that Jim helped.

If he still watches WWE & who he likes:

Said he is a fan of Kurt Angle and a throwback to the kind of wrestling he likes. Bret said he would have loved to have wrestled with Eddie Guerrero. He mentioned Chris Benoit and that you could have woken him up at 4 in the morning to wrestle him at anytime. Bret said he is a big fan of Rey Mysterio's work in the ring. He adds guys like Batista and jokes that they would all look good in the Sharpshooter.

On being around wrestling as a young kid:

Said he watched and studied wrestling since the age of 5 until he laced up his boots. Pat O'Connor, Harley Race, Bruno Sammartino and others were mentioned. He said he had a great opportunity and joked that if he worked as hard on his math as he did at studying wrestling than he might have had a different profession.

** They air a classic promo where Bret gives his famous sunglasses to a young kid. Clips from the DVD were shown of people commenting on his career such as Chris Benoit. The clips highlight his relationship with his fans. **

When he started wearing his famous sunglasses:

Bret said he gave his last pair away. Started wearing them in some interviews. Noted that the more interviews you were given, the more up the ladder you got. Bret said he was never a good interviewer and had to learn how to relax. He said when they asked him to do the interview, he did it and when they played it back they noticed his eyes darting back and forth. When they asked him to do it again, he said "one second" and came back with some sunglasses. Bret said he was terrified, but you couldn't tell when he wore the sunglasses. He said down the line he slowly got his confidence back and let himself go with interviews. Todd Grisham brings up a story about how Batista locked up when he was interviewed for the first time by a TV crew. Bret said he would always pick a great wrestler over a good interview.

Caller asks what he has been doing since he left wrestling and if he would ever return to Pittsburgh, PA:

Bret said he doesn't know, but would like to return to Pittsburgh. He said he always liked Pittsburgh and that it had a lot of similarities to Canada. Bret said he is mostly living his life up in Canada and doing some traveling. Said he tries not to be a slave to hotels anymore.

Another caller asks if he would like to be a manager in WWE for any younger guys coming up:

Bret said he thinks about it, but that he always wanted to be remembered as a great wrestler and not a referee or manager. He said he could probably find a way to make himself useful in wrestling, but feels he has done enough. Bret said he was famous for being a great wrestler and wants to be known for that.

Todd Grisham asks Bret if he watches any guys on WWE TV today and screams at the TV that they are doing something wrong:

Bret said he would like to teach some guys how to put on the Sharpshooter.

Another caller asks if he could have a match with anybody right now, who would it be?

Bret said he would like to have one last match with Kurt Angle, but doesn't see himself ever returning to the ring ever. He said he would like to work with some of the young guys like John Cena and Batista. Bret said he was good at wrestling guys bigger or smaller than him, but was more comfortable with guys at the same size as him like Curt Hennig or British Bulldog.

Todd Grisham asks if anyone can do the Sharpshooter right?

Bret said guys like Chris Benoit and Kurt Angle can do it, but the other guys he sees can't do it right.

How he got the "excellence of execution" nickname:

Gorilla Monsoon.

On where he got "the best there is, was and ever will be" line from:

Bret said he got it from the movie The Natural (1984 film starring Robert Redford) and was more of a filler to use for his mic time. He noted they used it early on in the Hart Foundation. He said some guys fish for something to close a promo with and that was it for him.

His WrestleMania 13 match with Steve Austin:

He said more people come up to him in the last 10 years to tell him that was there favorite match. Bret said it was a classic confrontation between a good guy and bad guy. He said they worked hard together to make their storyline credible.

Word Association:

The Dungeon: Torture chamer.

The British Bulldog: Miss him.

Steve Austin: Great adversary.

Ribbing: Owen.

The Road: Suitcases.

Other people using the Sharpshooter: Not the excellence of execution.

Eric Bischoff: Sweethart, good guy.

Hart Foundation: Greatest tag team there ever was.

Bruno Sammartino: First class champion.

Stu Hart: Stretcher.

"Superstar" Billy Graham: One of a kind.

Dirtsheets: Legitimate history.

WrestleMania: SuperBowl.

The Hitman term: Bret Hart I guess.

Hart Family: Still standing.

Kurt Angle: Best there is. Not yet the best there is, was and ever will be.

Another caller asks if Bret would be willing to do a farewell speech on WWE TV:

Bret said he doesn't know, it is a thought. Bret said it would be very emotional for him to take that kind of step. He said when he had his stroke, it affected him in the sense that he thinks it might be quite overwhelming to walk out in front of a huge wrestling crowd and take a few minutes to say what he would like to say. Bret said he isn't sure if it will ever happen and that it gives him mixed emotions when he thinks about doing it.

If he misses the spotlight:

Bret said he misses the cities, fans and performers. He said he doesn't miss the spotlight. Bret said he doesn't look back on his career as unfinished. He said he pretty much accomplished everything there was to accomplish. Bret said he liked that he left with his head up in a sense and that he gave his all in his first match. He said he didn't have many bad matches and didn't "hang on" too long. Bret said he was still wrestling good when he wrestled Goldberg. He said it was funny how he left both the WWE and WCW as World Champion and never got the chance to drop the title or pass the torch to somebody. Bret said he always found himself in a difficult situation.

On the famous kick from Bill Goldberg in WCW:

He said sometimes when you watch the footage, it looks like he hit the top of his head. Bret said in reality he hit the back of his head and up. Said it was such a powerful quick that he compared it to a horse kicking someone in a barn. He said it is a shame because if you see the footage, he almost gets his hand up to block it, but missed it. Bret said unfortunately it was just one of those things that happened and wished he could go back and do it again sometimes. He said he learned a lot about concussions after that and how severe they can be. Bret said he is living proof of what they can do to your emotions, memory and headaches. Said it was the worst injury he ever had to deal with.

Who is best opponent ever was:

Bret said he had a lot of great opponents and wished he could have wrestled Steve Austin a few more times. He added the same for The Undertaker, noting he enjoyed every match he had with 'Taker. Bret said the name that comes off the top of his head was Curt Hennig. He said Curt was great at taking care of you in the ring. Bret said a lot of things can happen in a wrestling ring and that things don't always go the way they are suppose to. He said Curt was the kind of guy who could catch you if you dove off the top rope and you knew he would protect you.

In closing, Bret said he would never be anything without the fans. He said he hopes they like the DVD and that he is proud of it. Bret said the whole DVD was a tribute to them. Todd Grisham reads down some upcoming Bret Hart appearances in Wayne, NJ, Cambridge, MA and Toronto, Ontario, Canada. Bret said his recent appearances have been great and that many fans have expressed to them how much his career meant to him. (WrestleView.com)

Great interview. I'd love for him to just to do a final interview in a WWE ring, then leave on that note and continue living his life.

I believe we'll see it happen eventually. :)

My prediction? He'll do it when he's inducted into the WWE Hall of Fame.

[Bad Superman]

Great interview. I'd love for him to just to do a final interview in a WWE ring, then leave on that note and continue living his life.

I believe we'll see it happen eventually. :)

My prediction? He'll do it when he's inducted into the WWE Hall of Fame.

I hope he does. He would be inducted next year the day prior to WM?

[Sauron]

How did Eddie die? I haven't heard anything about it other than he passed.

[Sarge 2.0]

Bret has said himself that he doesn't want to be in the WWE hall of Fame....of course, he could drop this grudge he's holding and change his mind.

[Sarge 2.0]

That's what board member BruceBrody has written as part of his signature. I guess since there's nothing the moderators can do about it because he's entitled to his own opinion, my opinion is that only a true CABRON would write that :downActually, his name is "BrodieBruce". :o

[The Batman]

Source: PWTorch Newsletter (Subscription available www.pwtorch.com)

-- In the latest PWTorch newsletter, editor Wade Keller states quite bluntly that there is apparently a top wrestler wrestling in the WWE today who's considered to be on an "unofficial death watch". He doesn't go on to further elaborate on who this wrestler is, but he does go on to mention how people need to do what it takes to keep him alive, even at the "expense of box office receipts, storyline interruptions" and more.

-- The deathwatch, which is apparently no secret to most within WWE, is still possibly unknown to Vince McMahon, who would need to be informed. The un-named wrestler, should he pass away, would make the coverage of the shocking and tragic news this week of the passing of Eddie Guerrero look minor by comparison, due to his credentials.

-- This has been my first news post since the passing of Eddie Guerrero, and I would like to personally send my condolences to Eddie's family and friends, both in and out of wrestling.

the "box office receipts" thing sounds like Stone Cold....

[Hunter Rider]

the "box office receipts" thing sounds like Stone Cold....

By BO receipts they are referring to PPV buyrates and since Storyline alteration is mentioned it is someone on the full-time roster,most believe it to be Kurt Angle

[The Batman]

Angle makes sense. After all, they said he gave up his marriage so he can be a big time contender

But would Angles death be bigger than Eddie's? Thats why i thought austin. Alot of people know who austin is

[Hunter Rider]

Angle makes sense. After all, they said he gave up his marriage so he can be a big time contender
But would Angles death be bigger than Eddie's? Thats why i thought austin. Alot of people know who austin is


Yep and if VM decides to put Cena over him again at Survivor Series i think we may see a blowout from Angle:(

His death would be bigger as he is more prominenet and is also a former olympic champion

[Sabretooth]

Source: PWTorch Newsletter (Subscription available www.pwtorch.com)

-- In the latest PWTorch newsletter, editor Wade Keller states quite bluntly that there is apparently a top wrestler wrestling in the WWE today who's considered to be on an "unofficial death watch". He doesn't go on to further elaborate on who this wrestler is, but he does go on to mention how people need to do what it takes to keep him alive, even at the "expense of box office receipts, storyline interruptions" and more.

-- The deathwatch, which is apparently no secret to most within WWE, is still possibly unknown to Vince McMahon, who would need to be informed. The un-named wrestler, should he pass away, would make the coverage of the shocking and tragic news this week of the passing of Eddie Guerrero look minor by comparison, due to his credentials.

-- This has been my first news post since the passing of Eddie Guerrero, and I would like to personally send my condolences to Eddie's family and friends, both in and out of wrestling.
WTF? I have no idea what they're talking about.:confused:

[The Batman]

True. The word Credentials gives Angle away.

[The Batman]

ok...its DEFEINETELY Kurt Angle:

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04221/358416.stm
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=218&topic=24626909

[Not Jake]

That's what board member BruceBrody has written as part of his signature. I guess since there's nothing the moderators can do about it because he's entitled to his own opinion, my opinion is that only a true CABRON would write that :down
It's just Brodie's sense of humor. Besides, it's really more of a bash on Hulk Hogan:o

[Eklypze]

yeah if all that is true i would say it is a safe bet that its Angle i knew that he had alot of health problems but i had no idea about most of that stuff and i was starting to think his head was looking a little wierd

[Eric Draven]

Angle makes sense. After all, they said he gave up his marriage so he can be a big time contender

But would Angles death be bigger than Eddie's? Thats why i thought austin. Alot of people know who austin is

I also heard somewhere that he was actually the father of Dawn Marie's baby. There's a big chance that it's total BS, but you never know sometimes....

And Kurt Angle passing away would definitely be shocking. Especially considering he didn't have the "personal demons" Eddie had.

Seriously though, something has to be done about the working schedule wrestlers take. In other contact sports, there is an offseason that gives the athletes a chance to rest from their injuries. There's none of that in wrestling. And I bet working 300 plus days a year taking an insane amount of pain will just absolutely destroy a person. They should really try something like limiting the amount of house shows or just getting rid of that format entirely.

[The Batman]

And Kurt Angle passing away would definitely be shocking. Especially considering he didn't have the "personal demons" Eddie had.

.

He may not have those demons, but he definetely has a problem. Wrestlings become his addiction. He wants to be on top, so badly that he's given up his marriage, and is risking paralysis and pain for it. When his glory days are gone, he's gonna regret it....if he manages to survive.

Anyhow, i dont want to see angle die too...

[Hunter Rider]

I also heard somewhere that he was actually the father of Dawn Marie's baby. There's a big chance that it's total BS, but you never know sometimes....

And Kurt Angle passing away would definitely be shocking. Especially considering he didn't have the "personal demons" Eddie had.

Seriously though, something has to be done about the working schedule wrestlers take. In other contact sports, there is an offseason that gives the athletes a chance to rest from their injuries. There's none of that in wrestling. And I bet working 300 plus days a year taking an insane amount of pain will just absolutely destroy a person. They should really try something like limiting the amount of house shows or just getting rid of that format entirely.
Whoa ive never heard that abput Kurt supposedly being Dawn Maries secret inpregnatorI agree with what your saying about the scheduels,WWE needs to cut down on the house shows drastically IMO

[Eric Draven]

I just heard it from someone. I doubt it's true though. But it could explain why Kurt separated from his wife.

I don't even know why they still have house shows to be honest. I don't think they draw that much. And sure, they're a good way to test out potential feuds or gimmicks, but that could be done in dark matches before Raw and Smackdown . It's just insane the work schedule they have to put up with.

[Hunter Rider]

I just heard it from someone. I doubt it's true though. But it could explain why Kurt separated from his wife.

I don't even know why they still have house shows to be honest. I don't think they draw that much. And sure, they're a good way to test out potential feuds or gimmicks, but that could be done in dark matches before Raw and Smackdown . It's just insane the work schedule they have to put up with.
Yeah the TNA and ROH guys don't have to work these insane scheduels and these day House shows don't really have the appeal they used to,OVW can also be used to test some thigns out as well

[Eric Draven]

Yep. TNA tapes like their entire month of Impact in one night (I think). The drawback of this is that some of Raw and SD might not be live anymore, and some people may not like that. But if it means giving more wrestlers chances to recuperate, I don't really mind it.

[Sarge 2.0]

I just hope the "You Suck" chant stops...I hate the damn thing...

[Colossal Spoons]

^Me too. As much as I hate it, I couldn't help but chant it while I was at SS. It was weird.

If Angle died, I'd be a friggin wreck. Like Eddie times 10.

[Eklypze]

yeah the other night at the Eddie tribute show i thought it was pretty sad that the crowd chanted "you suck" during a damn tribute show! that pissed me off so bad

[NDX]

Dunno if anyone else is a fan of Bam Bam Bigelow, but here was an article from the St. Petersburg Times about him. It's a long article.

Former WWE World Champion Facing Difficult Times

The following is a story from The St. Petersburg Times.

Bam Bam Bigelow skidded off the motorcycle and onto the hard wet asphalt on State Road 50 one Sunday in early October on the west side of Hernando County.

The woman who had been on the back of his bike hit the pavement with a sound one witness said was like an open palm slapping the surface of water. Then she flopped around like a rolled-up rug.

Bam Bam landed about 50 feet up the road. The former professional wrestler with the tattooed scalp and the name no one can forget was covered in blood, but he managed to get up. He held his scraped-up arms straight out from his sides. He lurched back toward the woman, who was moaning.

He looked like a monster, the witness said later.

"Oh, baby," Bam Bam was saying. "I'm so sorry."

He collapsed almost on top of the woman. His body was touching hers. His head was by her head.

The man who used to wrestle people to the ground and jump on them and pick them up and throw them was powerless. For almost all athletes, there is the inevitability of a life after people stop cheering. For Bam Bam Bigelow, the story includes addiction to painkillers, time in rehab, calls from creditors, a costly divorce, three kids he hasn't seen in more than a year and child support not paid.

And a new love.

The woman on the bike was Janis Remiesiewicz, who's 41, has a house in Port Richey and has been dating Bam Bam for a year.

The name state troopers got off Bam Bam's license was Scott C. Bigelow, 44, with an address in New Jersey.

But the last address for Bigelow in public records was in Lake Ariel, Pa., and that ended this past April. It was on a road called the Hideout.

Men who weigh more than 300 pounds, have tattooed heads and answer to Bam Bam do not just disappear.

Unless they want to.

On Oct. 2, though, Bam Bam Bigelow was taken to Spring Hill's Oak Hill Hospital. Janis was flown to Tampa General and listed in critical condition.

Meanwhile, the woman who lives in Bam Bam's old house in Allenhurst, N.J., has to deal with the guys who keep looking for the previous owner.

"They pull up in front of the house and they stare at the house," Josephine Schror said over the phone. "Then they knock on the door and ask for Scott, and I tell them he doesn't live here no more. And they ask me if I know where he is and then they sit in the car and write s--- down and then they drive off."

She says this happens all the time.

The e-mails started coming almost immediately after the story about the crash ran in the St. Petersburg Times.

Wrestling fans wanted to know two things:

How is Bam Bam doing?

And where has he been?

Bam Bam Bigelow was huge. The 6-4 tough guy from small, rough Asbury Park, N.J., wrestled as heavy as 425 pounds. But he was agile enough to jump off the tops of the ropes and down onto his opponents in the ring.

His trademark move was a pile driver he called "Greetings from Asbury Park."

"It just blows a guy's head right off his shoulders," he once told the Seattle Times.

Bigelow played the role of the "heel" in his heyday. That means he was the bad guy in the staged matches. But he was a star.

He made his debut in the World Wrestling Federation in 1987 and won titles in Extreme Championship Wrestling and World Championship Wrestling. He wrestled with Hulk Hogan and Diamond Dallas Page and against Andre the Giant. He was in the headliner match at 1995's WrestleMania in front of more than 16,000 people.

He was even in a couple of B movies and did a commercial for Slim Jim.

But his wrestling career did not come to an easy end.

WCW folded in 2001. He didn't go to WWE. There was no ECW anymore.

Bam Bam had back problems. He had surgery. He went on a radio show in early 2002, according to 1wrestling.com, and said his career was not over and that this was "just the beginning."

According to www.obsessedwithwrestling.com and other pro wrestling Web sites, Bam Bam retired in November 2002 and unretired a month after that, only to lose to someone named Abdullah the Butcher, then quit for good in 2004 - ending a slow, reluctant fade from fame.

"It's kind of like Hollywood," said Ron Jordan, who writes a syndicated wrestling column from Fort Worth, Texas. "Only so many people can be on top at one time. Most of these guys, when they slip from the big leagues, like the WCW or the WWF or the new WWE, they just kind of slip into obscurity. Then they show up in some small arena or at a YMCA or something."

Bam Bam opened a deli in Hamlin, Pa., where he sold a 2-pound hamburger. That didn't last.

Anthony DeBlasi, who writes for Wrestling-News.com, said in an e-mail that Bam Bam contacted him early in 2004 asking for help selling a wrestling ring and some of his other mementos on eBay.

Frank Goodman, Bam Bam's agent, also got a call: "Scott said, "Listen, I need to make money again.' "

Bam Bam wrestled in small shows on New York's Long Island in the early and middle parts of 2004. Then he started missing shows, according to Goodman. The last time he wrestled was Nov. 19, 2004.

And then he disappeared.

"Nobody could find him," said Dave Meltzer, editor of Wrestling Observer.

One of his best friends in wrestling died in April. Bam Bam didn't show up at the funeral.

A wrestling fan spotted him in Tampa over the summer, took a picture and posted it on the Web.

"That's the only way we knew he was alive," Goodman said.

Then Bam Bam Bigelow left Hernando County's Bayport Inn with his girlfriend on the back of his brother's 1998 black-and-chrome Harley Davidson and headed toward SR 50.

He stopped at the intersection of U.S. 19. The light turned green and he sped off, then stopped again at Deltona Boulevard. Both times, according to a witness, Debby Tessier of Brooksville, he almost tipped over.

Tessier had her cell phone out and was dialing 911 before the bike even went down.

It happened about 4:30 p.m., according to the report from the Florida Highway Patrol, when Bam Bam tried to change from the outside lane to the inside. Bam Bam and Janis weren't wearing helmets. No other vehicles were involved.

The Harley hit the ground.

Eventually they did too.

Janis came to a stop on her stomach with her arms by her sides. She was wearing a tank top and denim short shorts.

"The skin on her face was just chewed up," Tessier said. "Her noise and mouth were just pouring blood. . . . "We thought she was dead."

The FHP is waiting for the results of Bam Bam's blood test to come back from the toxicology lab in Tallahassee.

"We are well aware of what the factors were that led to this crash," FHP spokesman Larry Coggins said.

The FHP has up to a year to file charges against Scott C. Bigelow. "Charges are forthcoming," Coggins said. "Absolutely."

The accident threw Bam Bam back into the public eye. Any attempt at anonymity was over.

Calls started to come along with the e-mails.

Bam Bam's ex-wife, Dana Fisher, returned a call from the St. Petersburg Times a few days after the accident. She and Bigelow divorced five years ago, and their oldest child is now 17.

"I always figured it would come back on him sooner or later and that he'd have to answer questions and be accountable," she said.

Court records in New Jersey show a charge of endangering the welfare of a child in May 2004. He was accused of driving recklessly with one of his children in the car, but he said it was because of a seizure. The charge was dismissed two months later.

There is a possession of marijuana charge from August 2004. Guilty.

In the last few years, he has been sued by Jersey Shore Anesthesia, Jersey Shore University Medical Center and the state's Department of Motor Vehicles. The judgment amounts range from $2,700 to $19,440. The cases are open.

Fisher has sued him three times this year for nonpayment of child support.

Bam Bam owes $8,909.

"He did pay something this year, but he's not paying like he should," said Monmouth County probation officer Charlotte Shaw. "If he was here, I'd do a bench warrant."

Goodman, Bam Bam's agent, talked last month about how his client still could make $800 to $1,000 a night.

"He is money in the bank," Goodman said. "He is a wrestling legend. Other than Andre the Giant and Hulk Hogan, he is the best 300-pound-plus wrestler to ever step in a wrestling ring. I've got to tell you something: I have a show next month, and I would put Bam Bam Bigelow in that show for $1,000 without even giving it a thought.

"Because he's Bam Bam Bigelow."

Bam Bam has had it with Bam Bam. He just wants to be Scott.

Those records up in Jersey aren't the only reason he wanted to disappear.

He didn't want to talk at first. He didn't want to talk when he was in the hospital. He didn't want to talk when he got home.

On a recent Sunday, though, he was sitting on a couch in Janis' house in Port Richey. A black Nike ball cap covered the tattoos on the top of his scalp.

"I don't know if it's hiding or disappointment or what," he said. "But being Bam Bam Bigelow is a pain in the a--.

"You did this the first half of your life and now this is the second half and now you're bruised and battered. So what the hell can you do? What can you do?"

Scott C. Bigelow has no real permanent address. He sometimes stays with his brother, Todd, who's one year older, at his home in Spring Hill, but most of the time he's in Port Richey. "He goes back and forth," Todd Bigelow said.

In his best years, according to him and his agent, he was making anywhere from $750,000 to $1.2-million. He lost everything, he says, in his divorce: cars, trucks, motorcycles, his house. Now he lives on Social Security disability.

Creditors call.

The child support isn't going away.

Medical bills are coming.

"You can't pay what you can't afford," he said.

When he talks about Janis - "a bright spot in my life" - Bam Bam's lower lip turns soft.

"Both of us should've been dead from this accident," he said.

"Not should've been," Janis said. "Could've been."

"I had a few beers that day," he said. "But it wasn't nothing exceeding what people go overboard with. Who knows? It's all a blur. It doesn't matter. It happened."

Bam Bam broke his nose and got a deep cut on his forehead and still has a gash in his leg and scabs on his elbows and knees. Janis has a broken foot and a nasty scar around her right eye.

He creaks. He gets up slowly.

He says he was addicted to OxyContin for most of his career in wrestling but that he is now clean. He says he came down here because the warm weather makes his aches and pains feel a little less sharp. He says he wanted to get away.

Most of his friends are dead.

Ted "Flyboy Rocco Rock" Petty died of a heart attack in 2002. Jerry "the Wall" Tuite died of a drug overdose in 2003. Chris Candido died in spring of a blood clot after he broke his leg wrestling in Japan.

"And it's all due to wrestling," he said. "It's that simple. With me there's no glory in wrestling. . .. I thought out of sight, out of mind would be the best thing for me."

Yet he said on this particular Sunday - five weeks to the day after the accident - that he's happier now than he has ever been.

"It's like two phases of life," he said, sitting on the couch next to Janis, holding her hand. "The man who had everything and was miserable. And the man who has nothing and is happy.

"It don't cost nothin' to go watch the sunset," he said.

That's what Bam Bam Bigelow keeps telling himself.