Wrestling

[Hunter Rider]

I read that about Bam Bam,he and Vader are the 2 best big men of that type ever IMO

[citizenpain]

yes indeed, bam bam was awesome. speaking of awesome, i watched the bret hart dvd today and it was beyond awesome. i always knew that bret hart really was the best there is, the best there was, and the best there ever will be, and this dvd proves it. anybody else seen it? with a $20 price tag, it's definitely worth purchasing. the main feature is 2 hours long and there are 2 other dvds of some of bret's best matches. good stuff, very good stuff.

[NDX]

Bam Bam was a personal favorite of mine because of his size (him and Big Bossman) and how he moved in the ring.

Two years ago you could tell that the business caught up with him because he looked 60, not 42.

[Sabretooth]

Oh man,if Kurt dies.It was hard enough that Eddie passed,but Angle?


But I seriously wonder WTF is going through his head.I mean, a huge part is his schedule,but I mean,the guy seems to be a bit of an oddball.He's a great guy,and I don't think he has personal demons like Eddie.But if he does,he hides it very well.

[The Ghoul]

^Me too. As much as I hate it, I couldn't help but chant it while I was at SS. It was weird.


I was at a house show & went the oppisite side & was chanting "You Rock."

yeah the other night at the Eddie tribute show i thought it was pretty sad that the crowd chanted "you suck" during a damn tribute show! that pissed me off so bad

I agree. I couldn't help but feel sick during his entrance & listening to these impressional, sheepish marks not taking into the fact that it was a night where characters were thrown to the side for one very important night.

[Colossal Spoons]

See, the chant is funny. Some nights, Kurt looks and acts like he enjoys it. Almost like cheering. Other nights, he throws fits like he did last Monday.

[GLfan]

Angle likes the chants, remember when he came back from his surgery? He was only too glad to hear it cause he was able to return.

[White_Howling]

I just hope the "You Suck" chant stops...I hate the damn thing...

how bout when the fan's started chatting "WHAT?"

and stone cold wasn't even int he line up anymore.. or in the story line for that matter

[NDX]

They did that for a while when he was no longer with the company, as well. That actually made me mute his segments for a while.

[3dman27]

i understand that due to miami heat basketball smackdown will air at 9;30pm in the orlando viewing area i hope the show ia aired in its entirety it would be unfortunae if a tribute show was joined in progress

[0neDisturbedSOB]

Anyone know what's going to happen with the World title? if Batista is injured and unable to compete for awhile, and Eddie has passed away it would seem that Orton would be the next in line for a title run on SD! I would like to see a storyline where Orton completely screws Batista out of the title, and after the match does something similar to what he did to UT to set up the injury angle. Batista could rest up, come back and destroy Orton (or whoever) and get his title back.

I think Orton needs a title run as a heel. The face angle he played last year was just plain lame, and his title run was almost a joke...give him the belt for as long as Batista's out, OR have Chris Benoit challenge Orton for it as sort of payback for Orton screwing him out of it last August.

[NDX]

As much as I don't want to see Orton with the HW title yet, he seems to be the only candidate for the title as Benoit is preoccupied with the US title (as well as contract disputes, if an agreement hasn't been reached by now), Booker T is not the same wrestler he was as WCW HW champion, Undertaker is still "dead," Christian jumped to TNA, and there is really no one else who can run with the title on the program at the moment.

But knowing the WWE and seeing how Batista is going to rehab the injury instead of opting for the surgery, I think Batista will keep the title till he is ring ready in January.

[Hunter Rider]

Anyone know what's going to happen with the World title? if Batista is injured and unable to compete for awhile, and Eddie has passed away it would seem that Orton would be the next in line for a title run on SD! I would like to see a storyline where Orton completely screws Batista out of the title, and after the match does something similar to what he did to UT to set up the injury angle. Batista could rest up, come back and destroy Orton (or whoever) and get his title back.

I think Orton needs a title run as a heel. The face angle he played last year was just plain lame, and his title run was almost a joke...give him the belt for as long as Batista's out, OR have Chris Benoit challenge Orton for it as sort of payback for Orton screwing him out of it last August.

It seems to be a toss up between Orton,Benoit or JBL,i think a JBL/Benoit program over the title through Christmas would work quite well as the two had a good match on SD
The other main choice i think is to go with Randy and make him and Taker a title match at SS
Personally i don't want to see Batista near the title again,if Orton wins it i hope they make Rey and Benoit the contenders with benoit taking it off him at WM22

[GLfan]

I think they should give JBL the title for now, he's the only logical choice.

A lot of the Superstars attended Eddie's funeral and not just from WWE.

While the funeral for Eddie Guerrero was made private by his family, many wrestling superstars attended to pay tribute and say their final goodbyes to their friend. Some of the wrestlers in attendence were:

WWE: Chris Benoit, John "Bradshaw" Layfield, Rey Mysterio, Dean Malenko, The entire McMahon family, John Laurinaitis, Lita, Edge, Jamie Noble, Shane Helms, Doug Basham, Torrie Wilson, Kevin Dunn, Bruce Prichard, Michael Hayes, and "Stone Cold" Steve Austin

NWA-TNA: Jackie Gayda, Konnan, Gail Kim, Mike Tenay, Christian

Other Superstars: Chris Jericho, Charlie Haas, Mark Jindrak, C.M. Punk, Billy Kidman, Billy Anderson, Tom Prichard, Tommy Drake, and Sting.

The service was lead by WWE Legend Superstar Billy Graham, and several people spoke about Eddie during the service, including Malenko, Jericho, Benoit, JBL, Vince, Eddie's brothers, Chavo Jr., and others.

After the service, many of the WWE superstars headed to the airport to catch planes so that they could rejoin both the Raw & Smackdown-Brands on their current European tour.

[NDX]

I would like to see Rey Mysterio hold the HW title for a month, just one month. That would make me feel good. I feel he can work well with damn near anyone on the roster, and many times shown he can.

Plus hopefully Rey being champ would lead to a series of Mysterio/Benoit matches. That would be a lot of fun.

And how the hell did I forget about JBL in my innitial post?

[Hunter Rider]

Anyone else find it strange that we haven't heard anything from Foley yet ?

[NDX]

Anyone else find it strange that we haven't heard anything from Foley yet ?
Actually as a Foley mark I have found it greatly disappointing that we haven't heard anything from him on this. Anyone here read his Biography(s)? Did he ever mention having issues with Eddie in the past?

[Hunter Rider]

Actually as a Foley mark I have found it greatly disappointing that we haven't heard anything from him on this. Anyone here read his Biography(s)? Did he ever mention having issues with Eddie in the past?

Ive read both of Foley's books and there was nothing about them having issues

[NDX]

That just makes his absense all the more confusing.

On a side note, has Steven Richards wrestled recently? I can't watch Velocity (damn dialup), and according to WWE.com he's still on the roster. Dammit, I miss watching him. Was always funny in the ring. Damn, I really miss the Right to Censor sometimes...

Okay, now I'm just rambling...

[Hunter Rider]

Nick 'Eugene' Dinsmore hospitalized, suspended
November 18, 2005

Nick 'Eugene' Dinsmore was rushed to the hospital last night in Manchester.

He has since been released from the hospital, sent home and suspended indefinitely. WWE.com will have more details as they become available.

http://www.wwe.com (http://www.wwe.com/)

[0neDisturbedSOB]

I think they should give JBL the title for now, he's the only logical choice.

A lot of the Superstars attended Eddie's funeral and not just from WWE.

While the funeral for Eddie Guerrero was made private by his family, many wrestling superstars attended to pay tribute and say their final goodbyes to their friend. Some of the wrestlers in attendence were:

WWE: Chris Benoit, John "Bradshaw" Layfield, Rey Mysterio, Dean Malenko, The entire McMahon family, John Laurinaitis, Lita, Edge, Jamie Noble, Shane Helms, Doug Basham, Torrie Wilson, Kevin Dunn, Bruce Prichard, Michael Hayes, and "Stone Cold" Steve Austin

NWA-TNA: Jackie Gayda, Konnan, Gail Kim, Mike Tenay, Christian

Other Superstars: Chris Jericho, Charlie Haas, Mark Jindrak, C.M. Punk, Billy Kidman, Billy Anderson, Tom Prichard, Tommy Drake, and Sting.

The service was lead by WWE Legend Superstar Billy Graham, and several people spoke about Eddie during the service, including Malenko, Jericho, Benoit, JBL, Vince, Eddie's brothers, Chavo Jr., and others.

After the service, many of the WWE superstars headed to the airport to catch planes so that they could rejoin both the Raw & Smackdown-Brands on their current European tour.

I was wondering if Stone Cold would attend the funeral, since I think I remember reading that he didn't attend Owen's funeral a few years back...glad to see he made it down. Austin really helped Eddie a few years back when he told McMahon that he wanted to work a program with Eddie, and the 2 of them put on some great matches.

[0neDisturbedSOB]

It seems to be a toss up between Orton,Benoit or JBL,i think a JBL/Benoit program over the title through Christmas would work quite well as the two had a good match on SD
The other main choice i think is to go with Randy and make him and Taker a title match at SS
Personally i don't want to see Batista near the title again,if Orton wins it i hope they make Rey and Benoit the contenders with benoit taking it off him at WM22

Again, if Batista returned to his "silent monster" gimmick like the early days of Evolution I think he would make an awesome champ. I actually enjoy Batista because it's nice to see guys physically bigger than HHH and most other wrestlers that don't just rely on the same gimmick Big Show and Kane currently use.

I think Orton is the logical choice right now, although I would like to see Booker T win the belt just once before he leaves the WWE. I mean the guy is the 5 time WCW champ and since he came to the WWE he's been a top mid carder at best.

I would love to see Orton, Benoit, Rey and Booker T all in contention for the World title. Orton will probably walk away with it, but a program with Orton/Benoit, or Orton/Rey would be amazing.

I don't want to see Undertaker in contention for the title....it's just not his time for that anymore.

[Hunter Rider]

Again, if Batista returned to his "silent monster" gimmick like the early days of Evolution I think he would make an awesome champ. I actually enjoy Batista because it's nice to see guys physically bigger than HHH and most other wrestlers that don't just rely on the same gimmick Big Show and Kane currently use.

I think Orton is the logical choice right now, although I would like to see Booker T win the belt just once before he leaves the WWE. I mean the guy is the 5 time WCW champ and since he came to the WWE he's been a top mid carder at best.

I would love to see Orton, Benoit, Rey and Booker T all in contention for the World title. Orton will probably walk away with it, but a program with Orton/Benoit, or Orton/Rey would be amazing.

I don't want to see Undertaker in contention for the title....it's just not his time for that anymore.

Well for me once the bell rings Batista's matches bore me,he isnt a good worker IMO and has only 3 moves and poor mobility

I agree with what your saying about Taker but with things they way they are WWE might make Taker/Orton a ME title feud over Christmas

Booker is in the best spot he's had since going to WWE in terms of having all his bases covered,he may yet get a World title oppertunity

[0neDisturbedSOB]

Booker DESERVES a title run before he retires from the WWE, that's always bothered me about the WWE.

Benoit as champ was awesome. Benoit is one of the best to ever compete in a wrestling ring, and seeing him as the champ made me feel like there was justice in the world. The title match at WM20 is one of the all time best, and the celebration with Benoit and Eddie almost made me tear up.

I'd say right now either Orton or Benoit should be champ, but I'd also like to see Rey with the title at some point...that would just be historic.

[Hunter Rider]

Booker DESERVES a title run before he retires from the WWE, that's always bothered me about the WWE.

Benoit as champ was awesome. Benoit is one of the best to ever compete in a wrestling ring, and seeing him as the champ made me feel like there was justice in the world. The title match at WM20 is one of the all time best, and the celebration with Benoit and Eddie almost made me tear up.

I'd say right now either Orton or Benoit should be champ, but I'd also like to see Rey with the title at some point...that would just be historic.

I had hoped Benoit and Eddie winning the big matches at WM20 meant a switch to smaller more talented wrestlers as champs like in the Bret/Shawn days

It would be nice to see Orton/Benoit at WM22 as they never got to finsih their rivalry due to HHH

Whether Booker gets a shot im not sure as i think the 2 shows may be combined again and that would put him well down the ladder

[NDX]

Booker T deserved a title run 3 years ago. But I just can't see him holding it now. I just don't see his matches as entertaining as I had in the past.

Benoit should have never lost the title to Orton. I felt Benoit could have been the first wrestler to hold the title for a year in a long time.

[0neDisturbedSOB]

I had hoped Benoit and Eddie winning the big matches at WM20 meant a switch to smaller more talented wrestlers as champs like in the Bret/Shawn days

It would be nice to see Orton/Benoit at WM22 as they never got to finsih their rivalry due to HHH

Whether Booker gets a shot im not sure as i think the 2 shows may be combined again and that would put him well down the ladder

Benoit was a great champ, he brought prestige and respect to the belt that had been seemingly lost in the past champs before him. Eddie winning the belt was a milestone, because they said he was the first "luchadore" style wrestler to ever win the WWE title. I also remember them saying he was the first Latino champ in history....although someone did mention Pedro Morales.

Orton COULD be a good champ. He has a lot of the qualities of The Rock when he was first coming into his own. Orton has a good look, and his "legend killer" gimmick could work out well since he could eventually turn on his own father in a way to completely destroy all legends in his way.

Orton VS Benoit would be awesome. Orton could learn a lot from Benoit.

[Hunter Rider]

Benoit was a great champ, he brought prestige and respect to the belt that had been seemingly lost in the past champs before him. Eddie winning the belt was a milestone, because they said he was the first "luchadore" style wrestler to ever win the WWE title. I also remember them saying he was the first Latino champ in history....although someone did mention Pedro Morales.

Orton COULD be a good champ. He has a lot of the qualities of The Rock when he was first coming into his own. Orton has a good look, and his "legend killer" gimmick could work out well since he could eventually turn on his own father in a way to completely destroy all legends in his way.

Orton VS Benoit would be awesome. Orton could learn a lot from Benoit.

I agree,Orton is the best thing to come through since Brock IMO but i'm worried he's lost some drive,he is the best seller of moves on SD but has looked lacklustre the last few weeks,
I'd make him the new champ and then have him take out his dad the next week to solidify his heel status

[0neDisturbedSOB]

I agree,Orton is the best thing to come through since Brock IMO but i'm worried he's lost some drive,he is the best seller of moves on SD but has looked lacklustre the last few weeks,
I'd make him the new champ and then have him take out his dad the next week to solidify his heel status

Exactly what I was saying. If he's going to go full on with this "legend killer" gimmick, then he needs to take out his Dad. My only fear is that the WWE would try to work a Orton VS Orton match which would be an absolute mess.

Next week the shows will probably go back to "normal" and the storylines will progress.

It'll be interesting to see if HHH does a clean job to Benoit tonight on Smackdown. I think it would say a lot for Hunter if he did.

[Hunter Rider]

Exactly what I was saying. If he's going to go full on with this "legend killer" gimmick, then he needs to take out his Dad. My only fear is that the WWE would try to work a Orton VS Orton match which would be an absolute mess.

Next week the shows will probably go back to "normal" and the storylines will progress.

It'll be interesting to see if HHH does a clean job to Benoit tonight on Smackdown. I think it would say a lot for Hunter if he did.

The gimmick with his dad is killing his heat,Orton sr is like a comedy act
I want to see Orton regain some edge and win some matches without lame cheating finishes

HHH does job clean to Benoit

[Eric Draven]

I watched SD last night (since we get it on Thursday still in Canada) and let me say that after the match Hunter had with Benoit last night, my respect for Triple H went up a lot.

[Hunter Rider]

I watched SD last night (since we get it on Thursday still in Canada) and let me say that after the match Hunter had with Benoit last night, my respect for Triple H went up a lot.

Was it as stiff as ive read ?

[Colossal Spoons]

But knowing the WWE and seeing how Batista is going to rehab the injury instead of opting for the surgery, I think Batista will keep the title till he is ring ready in January.

Ugh, not the smart option. I hope his lats heal properly.

[0neDisturbedSOB]

Yeah, if Orton wants to establish himself as a serious threat he needs to turn on his Dad and put an end to that whole alliance. It's like a said, Orton has a lot of potential to become the next "Rock". He has a lot of the same qualities as Rocky did back in the day..he's good on the mic, good looking, good build...all the tools needed to make it in the biz, he just needs to take this gimmick to the next level.

I remember when an Orton VS Cena match was a dream for some people, and now it's come and gone and wasn't all that great. I can understand why though, but I'd like to see them go at it again...a Cena/Orton fued could be great. It would be great to see each brand's champ talking smack on eachother.

They need to end this roster split crap all together though.

[Eric Draven]

Ugh, not the smart option. I hope his lats heal properly.

Yep. Look at what happened when Angle opted for the other, quicker form of surgery after Wrestlemania.....

[Colossal Spoons]

Worse than Angle. Look at Austin's knees. He didn't have surgery immediately when he got injured the first time.

[Hunter Rider]

Source: PWInsider.com

- Tonight's SmackDown! will be pre-empted in Philidelphia because of the Sixers basketball game. It will air tomorrow afternoon at 4PM.

- As it stands we are still waiting for further information on the Eugene story from last night. However, one source on WWE's European tour has said, "when a guy is taken to the hospital then sent home and suspended, the reason is most probably exactly what you would think it is."

[Hunter Rider]

Source: PWInsider.com

One match has been announced for this Monday's RAW. Shelton Benjamin is set to take on Kurt Angle. It is expected that both groups will be both TV shows this week, so we can expect a lot of inter-brand stuff as WWE does their Survivor Series go-home TV shows this week

[0neDisturbedSOB]

Shelton and Kurt work really well together. The match they had the other night was phenomenal, Kurt could teach Shelton A LOT.

So anyone want to take some guesses as to how long it'll be before we see a new World champ on Smackdown now that Batista is leaving?

[Hunter Rider]

Shelton and Kurt work really well together. The match they had the other night was phenomenal, Kurt could teach Shelton A LOT.

So anyone want to take some guesses as to how long it'll be before we see a new World champ on Smackdown now that Batista is leaving?

Ive been thinking about this,what if they keep Batista as champ and make out as if he is gonna captain the SS team and then on the night of the PPV have him do an attack angle where he is found destroyed in the locker room so he can't captain the team
On the following SD have Teddy Long say that the belt has been forfeited and announce a tournament.
Have the Semi and Finals at the December PPV to crown a new champ,that should draw some interest IMO
When Batista returns he can have a "Who Done it" angle like Austin had and maybe do an inter-promotional match at WM22

[Lobo]

Undertaker is supposed to be at SS right?

[0neDisturbedSOB]

Yeah, but it all sounds too close to what happened to Austin. It's hard to do these storylines these days because pretty much everything has been done. Besides, they'd need to come up with a REALLY good explanation of how someone could destroy Batista....there aren't many guys on the roster that are as big as him.

I'd say have Orton screw him for it, and then do something to set up an injury angle. The next week the Ortons could have some sort of celebration with Randy talking about how he's beaten them all...Undertaker, Foley..etc but there has always been one legend that has escaped him...RKO to his Dad, and then have Randy say something like he used to his Dad to get where he is, and now he doesn't need him anymore.

[Hunter Rider]

Yeah, but it all sounds too close to what happened to Austin. It's hard to do these storylines these days because pretty much everything has been done. Besides, they'd need to come up with a REALLY good explanation of how someone could destroy Batista....there aren't many guys on the roster that are as big as him.

I'd say have Orton screw him for it, and then do something to set up an injury angle. The next week the Ortons could have some sort of celebration with Randy talking about how he's beaten them all...Undertaker, Foley..etc but there has always been one legend that has escaped him...RKO to his Dad, and then have Randy say something like he used to his Dad to get where he is, and now he doesn't need him anymore.

If they do it that way it turns Randy vs Taker into a title match and also means we are set for Batista vs Orton at WM22 which is boring at this stage to not have any doubts over the main event for a WM IMO

If they make out Batista was attacked from behind it could set up some interesting possibilities for him for WM22 and leave the title match open to a better wrestler like Benoit

[0neDisturbedSOB]

I am NOT interested in seeing another Orton VS Taker match, especially for the title. Undertaker's past his prime, and although a classic should seriously think about hanging it up soon.

I just don't want to see yet another Austin storyline modified for someone current...come up with something new, or don't do it at all.

[Hunter Rider]

I am NOT interested in seeing another Orton VS Taker match, especially for the title. Undertaker's past his prime, and although a classic should seriously think about hanging it up soon.

I just don't want to see yet another Austin storyline modified for someone current...come up with something new, or don't do it at all.

Well the "attacked in the locker room" story is older than Austin,it is a tried and tested one that is used to build blood feuds in a lot of promotions both in North America and Japan,

They don't need to make it a secret, have it be known that say Ken Kennedy did it to get his place on the team and that means when Batista comes back he can feud with Kennedy

[Gameruler]

Nobody told me that Friday Night Smackdown! wouldn't be on Friday. College basketball took its place, so now I have to wait until 10 p.m. Saturday (tomorrow) to watch SD!!

What kind of crap is that! I don't like it when this stuff happens and these things always seem to happen on UPN.

But I guess I should be glad they're not blowing it off completly because UPN said it will be on tomorrow.
Ok I'm done ranting now.

[NDX]

John "Earthquake" Tenta posted this message at the Wrestlecrap.com message board. He has his own forum there.

"Well, I'm FINALLY back here online. No, the news I received last Monday was not very good. The tumor in my hip did not react to the radiation I went through, in fact may have even grown a little. The tumor that I had been battling, and got it shrunken down to a tiny dot, apparently went home during the break in chemo, and brought back a few of his big brothers. I have about four larger tumors spread now, through both lungs, with a few smaller "areas of concern", as well. It was a real bummer of a day for me, and my wife, as we had been hoping for the best. I was dreaming of returning to work, having a great Christmas, but that gets pushed back for awhile. My options in treatment are slowly changing as well. My choices were chemo, experimental treatments, or NOTHING! Of course I chose more chemo, and already went through a round last week. I'm not ready to give up yet. The doc said nmy chances of it reacting to chemo are 10-20%. That's the bad news. The good news is I am back online and can post again, but unfortunately may not post quite as often. Chemo can be brutal and I expect some not so great days ahead. I've read all your well wishes on the other thread, and of course continue to thank you for all your love, and support. The time I spend online is treasured by me, it takes me away from my problems. Thanks for being here for me.
Love to all,
'Quake "

[Colossal Spoons]

Chavo's match with JBL was quite touching. :(

[Sarge 2.0]

Damn Sixers making me wait until tomorrow afternoon. :mad:

They're going to lose anyways. :o

[The Ghoul]

I am NOT interested in seeing another Orton VS Taker match, especially for the title. Undertaker's past his prime, and although a classic should seriously think about hanging it up soon.

You take that back. I'm sorry I am a mark for Taker. I am also a fan of this fued.I feel if billed correctly this could be a classic fued. I Think if they have Batista go to surgery & drop the belt to him at Armegeddon ( because at SS it's raw vs Smackdown) With Taker interfearing, but Orton still wins. Then Taker stalks him, but somewhere around there Ken Kennedy can come out & be like "I helped you long enough I want a shot." So you make Royal Rumble a triple threat match. Orton pins Taker but probebly though some controversy. Then have Orton face Kennedy at No Way Out. Orton goes over clean, but as soon as he raises his hands in victory, Taker comes out & kicks the **** out of Orton. Then you make it a Hell In A Cell match for the title at WM-XXII.

[NDX]

I truely hate the term "Card Subject to Change".

[3dman27]

why is that?
btw cool avatar

[Hunter Rider]

You take that back. I'm sorry I am a mark for Taker. I am also a fan of this fued.I feel if billed correctly this could be a classic fued. I Think if they have Batista go to surgery & drop the belt to him at Armegeddon ( because at SS it's raw vs Smackdown) With Taker interfearing, but Orton still wins. Then Taker stalks him, but somewhere around there Ken Kennedy can come out & be like "I helped you long enough I want a shot." So you make Royal Rumble a triple threat match. Orton pins Taker but probebly though some controversy. Then have Orton face Kennedy at No Way Out. Orton goes over clean, but as soon as he raises his hands in victory, Taker comes out & kicks the **** out of Orton. Then you make it a Hell In A Cell match for the title at WM-XXII.
I think Orton needs to go over clean against Taker at SS as this feud is making him look weak and he needs a fresh feud for next year over the belt.
It's also been going on since WM21 and needs to end

[Hunter Rider]

ODSOB-I have made an Eddie tribute avvy for a guy on another forum,i used your art,i hope you don't mind

This is the avvy-http://img497.imageshack.us/img497/7158/19ej.gif

[Colossal Spoons]

That looks great. What program are you using to put together the gifs?

[Gameruler]

ODSOB-I have made an Eddie tribute avvy for a guy on another forum,i used your art,i hope you don't mind

This is the avvy-http://img497.imageshack.us/img497/7158/19ej.gif
Can I use that?

[Hunter Rider]

Can I use that?

sure,hang on while is resize it for you

[Gameruler]

sure,hang on while is resize it for you
Awesome! Thank you so much! :)

[Hunter Rider]

Awesome! Thank you so much! :)

Your Welcome:up:

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[The Ghoul]

I think Orton needs to go over clean against Taker at SS as this feud is making him look weak and he needs a fresh feud for next year over the belt.
It's also been going on since WM21 and needs to end

But it's been forever sence we had a long fued that can develop into a classic rivalry. There was Eddie & Rey but that became convoluted & really inane. But what better premise then having "The Legend Killer" having to go through a war with WWE's biggest & in many ways last real legend. I think if segments are wrote well & not just "Orton talks ****. Lights go out & bam Taker." (which was really stolen from Sabu) & have Taker cut some promos. have more graveyard scenes. start crucifing people again. make it really dark on both ends make Orton ****ing evil in what he will do to "kill the legend of the Undertaker." & with 3 interpromotional PPVs coming up (SS,RR & WM) throw Kane in the mix just a little. Doesn't matter whos side he is on just have him come in for one or two spot. this could be one really interesting fued. & unlike Eddie & Rey which got really complicated & at many times quit making sence at all. Taker & Orton has not change reasons or premises sence WM21. The only reason it's stale now is because they are repeating the same thing (eerie tron videos that look like Taker hacked into a tv station). If you elaborate more on who Taker was during the attitude era with the crucifictions, have Taker attack Cowboy in his home causing Orton to have a nervous break down by watching Taker just maul his dad & he can't do anything about it. Thus making him more of a dangerous threat to the Undertaker. It can be very entertaining to watch & will put Orton back as a top name like he was a year ago & it will solidify Taker as a true legend & WWE will have entertaining television again.

[Gameruler]

Your Welcome:up:

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You are the best. Again thank you. Now Eddie will be remembered! :D

[Hunter Rider]

But it's been forever sence we had a long fued that can develop into a classic rivalry. There was Eddie & Rey but that became convoluted & really inane. But what better premise then having "The Legend Killer" having to go through a war with WWE's biggest & in many ways last real legend. I think if segments are wrote well & not just "Orton talks ****. Lights go out & bam Taker." (which was really stolen from Sabu) & have Taker cut some promos. have more graveyard scenes. start crucifing people again. make it really dark on both ends make Orton ****ing evil in what he will do to "kill the legend of the Undertaker." & with 3 interpromotional PPVs coming up (SS,RR & WM) throw Kane in the mix just a little. Doesn't matter whos side he is on just have him come in for one or two spot. this could be one really interesting fued. & unlike Eddie & Rey which got really complicated & at many times quit making sence at all. Taker & Orton has not change reasons or premises sence WM21. The only reason it's stale now is because they are repeating the same thing (eerie tron videos that look like Taker hacked into a tv station). If you elaborate more on who Taker was during the attitude era with the crucifictions, have Taker attack Cowboy in his home causing Orton to have a nervous break down by watching Taker just maul his dad & he can't do anything about it. Thus making him more of a dangerous threat to the Undertaker. It can be very entertaining to watch & will put Orton back as a top name like he was a year ago & it will solidify Taker as a true legend & WWE will have entertaining television again.

Taker doesn't seem to want to be on TV all the time these days and the rivalry has got to the point that there is nowhere for it to go
Taker has become just a presence rather than a character now as he doesn't talk and all that old making coffins and magic powers stuff is to silly for the modern era IMO
Im sure SS will be their last match for now as that will be their 5th in 8 months
I think Orton should take his own dad out once he gets the title and then destroy Taker in the Buried Alive match before facing Benoit at WM22

[Hunter Rider]

You are the best. Again thank you. Now Eddie will be remembered! :D

Alwayshttp://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon12.gif:up:

[The Ghoul]

Taker doesn't seem to want to be on TV all the time these days and the rivalry has got to the point that there is nowhere for it to go
Taker has become just a presence rather than a character now as he doesn't talk and all that old making coffins and magic powers stuff is to silly for the modern era IMO
Im sure SS will be their last match for now as that will be their 5th in 8 months
I think Orton should take his own dad out once he gets the title and then destroy Taker in the Buried Alive match before facing Benoit at WM22

I guess this is one subject where we just don't agree. I like that the Undertaker & no one else has powers. Before Underbiker, I always looked at Taker as larger than life & thought turning him into a satanic sorcerer was great. I always loved that. & whenever Taker returns he is always different. After he returned WMXX they said in a Smackdown mag interview, it was the first step in his return to to the darkside or something like that which is why he looked similar to the biker because his "transformation" was going to be a slow process. Now is that time. Make him darker & you can do all things with minimal TV appearences. Have the lights go out & when they come on have Cowboy Bob Cucified above stage. So the point got across & you didnt actually have Taker there. When he is there, have him cut a promo (I REALLY love Undertaker promos) Have Orton take the Urn (which in Taker mythology was his parents) & dump the ashes over a bridge. Maybe after that Kane comes in & sets Bob Orton on fire (ala JR). You have all Characters in place. Undertaker & Orton as the main guys. Ken Kennedy as the ambicious kid who is really a pawn who's main focus is the belt. Bob Orton is Randy's dad & closest confidant & is also used by the Undertaker as bait for Orton. & the same can be said for Kane only Kane will only be there around WM time.

[Hunter Rider]

I guess this is one subject where we just don't agree. I like that the Undertaker & no one else has powers. Before Underbiker, I always looked at Taker as larger than life & thought turning him into a satanic sorcerer was great. I always loved that. & whenever Taker returns he is always different. After he returned WMXX they said in a Smackdown mag interview, it was the first step in his return to to the darkside or something like that which is why he looked similar to the biker because his "transformation" was going to be a slow process. Now is that time. Make him darker & you can do all things with minimal TV appearences. Have the lights go out & when they come on have Cowboy Bob Cucified above stage. So the point got across & you didnt actually have Taker there. When he is there, have him cut a promo (I REALLY love Undertaker promos) Have Orton take the Urn (which in Taker mythology was his parents) & dump the ashes over a bridge. Maybe after that Kane comes in & sets Bob Orton on fire (ala JR). You have all Characters in place. Undertaker & Orton as the main guys. Ken Kennedy as the ambicious kid who is really a pawn who's main focus is the belt. Bob Orton is Randy's dad & closest confidant & is also used by the Undertaker as bait for Orton. & the same can be said for Kane only Kane will only be there around WM time.

As you said i guess we'll just have to agree to disagree,i prefered Biker Taker to the Evil sorcerer gimmick in this era
Some of the things you suggested are good but would work better if Taker was a heel and did them to a face like say HBK who is a devout Christian IMO

[Sabretooth]

I like the idea of heel Undertaker vs. face HBK.It's been a long time since they've feuded.And I always thought of them of two sides of the same coin.HBK as a fan favorite,devout Christian and Undertaker as a dark side of HBK,with him being feared by most as well as being a satanic entity.

[Sarge 2.0]

Taker doesn't seem to want to be on TV all the time these days and the rivalry has got to the point that there is nowhere for it to go
Taker has become just a presence rather than a character now as he doesn't talk and all that old making coffins and magic powers stuff is to silly for the modern era IMO
Im sure SS will be their last match for now as that will be their 5th in 8 months
I think Orton should take his own dad out once he gets the title and then destroy Taker in the Buried Alive match before facing Benoit at WM22I don't think it's the least bit silly, because of the way Mark presents it. If anything, Biker Taker felt too forced for me...the only thing I liked about that era was the Last Ride finisher. This new Deadman Taker works because it keeps the dark character, and doesn't over do it all the time like Taker during the Attitude Era. Mark still has that same chilling physical presence, and can still pull off the Deadman and keep it cool. I totally marked out when Deadman came back at WMXX, so I'm biased, but those are just my thoughts.

[The Ghoul]

As you said i guess we'll just have to agree to disagree,i prefered Biker Taker to the Evil sorcerer gimmick in this era
Some of the things you suggested are good but would work better if Taker was a heel and did them to a face like say HBK who is a devout Christian IMO

I guess so. I would love those elements with a heel Taker/ face HBK. BTW, thank you for saying that my ideas were good because along with being aspiring to be a wrestler I would love to help what ever booker I would be working for with stories as I also have a love of acting & film making. So that compliment lifted me up just a little bit more.

[Hunter Rider]

I don't think it's the least bit silly, because of the way Mark presents it. If anything, Biker Taker felt too forced for me...the only thing I liked about that era was the Last Ride finisher. This new Deadman Taker works because it keeps the dark character, and doesn't over do it all the time like Taker during the Attitude Era. Mark still has that same chilling physical presence, and can still pull off the Deadman and keep it cool. I totally marked out when Deadman came back at WMXX, so I'm biased, but those are just my thoughts.

Well to me when a man rolls his eyes and lightning comes from the ceiling to blow up a coffin it just feels ridiculous to and the Biker gimmick is who he is so it didn't feel forced to me
I also don't like the way When Taker does his magic Orton sells it like a buffoon instead of standing tall,it just makes him look goofy IMO

[Sarge 2.0]

Well to me when a man rolls his eyes and lightning comes from the ceiling to blow up a coffin it just feels ridiculous to and the Biker gimmick is who he is so it didn't feel forced to me
I also don't like the way When Taker does his magic Orton sells it like a buffoon instead of standing tall,it just makes him look goofy IMOBut that was one instance, and it was like, two months ago. It's not like he's coming down on bat wings in black robes anymore, now he's pretty much back to his roots. Also, Orton doesn't sell the fear very well, I agree. But he's not really an actor or anything so I can't blame him.

[Hunter Rider]

I guess so. I would love those elements with a heel Taker/ face HBK. BTW, thank you for saying that my ideas were good because along with being aspiring to be a wrestler I would love to help what ever booker I would be working for with stories as I also have a love of acting & film making. So that compliment lifted me up just a little bit more.

Your welcome:up:
I would love to see the kinds of darker storylines employed in WWE and the one you suggested fitted to a HBK/Taker rivalry would be a breath of fresh air given how stale the current product has become

[Hunter Rider]

But that was one instance, and it was like, two months ago. It's not like he's coming down on bat wings in black robes anymore, now he's pretty much back to his roots. Also, Orton doesn't sell the fear very well, I agree. But he's not really an actor or anything so I can't blame him.

LOL well im not trying to change your mind Sarge,i respect your opinion on him i just prefered the Biker badass character,im getting oldhttp://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon12.gif

I wouldn't be adverse to the HBK vs Black Magic Taker though for WM22 inter-promotional match

[Sarge 2.0]

LOL well im not trying to change your mind Sarge,i respect your opinion on him i just prefered the Biker badass character,im getting oldhttp://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon12.gif

I wouldn't be adverse to the HBK vs Black Magic Taker though for WM22 inter-promotional matchNah, it's cool hunter. I just get a tad sensitive with stuff concerning Taker. :)

Anyhoo, a Taker/HBK feud would be great, but I don't think it'll happen with WWE in its current funk.

[The Ghoul]

Well to me when a man rolls his eyes and lightning comes from the ceiling to blow up a coffin it just feels ridiculous to and the Biker gimmick is who he is so it didn't feel forced to me
I also don't like the way When Taker does his magic Orton sells it like a buffoon instead of standing tall,it just makes him look goofy IMO

It is gimmicky & unbelievable but if you just think you are watching a movie or something & just be fan rather than an analyzer it's great. That is why I love the Undertaker so much. He is the one wrestler where I can suspend my imagination & be a wrestling FAN again & enjoy the magic. I alway dreamed of making movies. One is an adaptation of "Have a Nice Day." & the other is a film based around the mythology of The Undertaker. Think about it. No other wrestlers have an actualy mythology written about them except for the "brothers."

[Sarge 2.0]

It is gimmicky & unbelievable but if you just think you are watching a movie or something & just be fan rather than an analyzer it's great. That is why I love the Undertaker so much. He is the one wrestler where I can suspend my imagination & be a wrestling FAN again & enjoy the magic. I alway dreamed of making movies. One is an adaptation of "Have a Nice Day." & the other is a film based around the mythology of The Undertaker. Think about it. No other wrestlers have an actualy mythology written about them except for the "brothers."I've heard the book concerning Kane kind of ruins that, but I'd love to hear your ideas. :up:

[Eric Draven]

I've heard the book concerning Kane kind of ruins that, but I'd love to hear your ideas. :up:

I read a review of that book that says that the Kane book actually goes into way more detail about Kane's convoluted history.


And Kane's real name is Glen Jacob Calloway. Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha :o

[Sarge 2.0]

I read a review of that book that says that the Kane book actually goes into way more detail about Kane's convoluted history.


And Kane's real name is Glen Jacob Calloway. Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha :oI know how to be original...I give the characters their real names! That won't ruin the stories one bit! :o

[Eric Draven]

The review is actually pretty interesting:

http://www.onlineonslaught.com/columns/bulldog/20051117.shtml

Makes me actually want to pick up the book :o

[Hunter Rider]

Nah, it's cool hunter. I just get a tad sensitive with stuff concerning Taker. :)

Anyhoo, a Taker/HBK feud would be great, but I don't think it'll happen with WWE in its current funk.

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Yeah any hopes of good angles are slipping away,still i do wonder what the plan is with this Shelton/Angle match this week

[Hunter Rider]

It is gimmicky & unbelievable but if you just think you are watching a movie or something & just be fan rather than an analyzer it's great. That is why I love the Undertaker so much. He is the one wrestler where I can suspend my imagination & be a wrestling FAN again & enjoy the magic. I alway dreamed of making movies. One is an adaptation of "Have a Nice Day." & the other is a film based around the mythology of The Undertaker. Think about it. No other wrestlers have an actualy mythology written about them except for the "brothers."
In truth i never was into the Dark side stuff once the attitude era hit.
I gotta admit even i enjoyed his return as the old style Taker at WM20 though

[Sarge 2.0]

The review is actually pretty interesting:

http://www.onlineonslaught.com/columns/bulldog/20051117.shtml

Makes me actually want to pick up the book :oHeh, that is an interesting review...I might actually pick up the book as well.

[Eric Draven]

They should have a book like that about Mankind as well. And I'm talking about original Mankind, not the Foley-Mankind hybrid :mad: :o

[Sarge 2.0]

They should have a book like that about Mankind as well. And I'm talking about original Mankind, not the Foley-Mankind hybrid :mad: :oHa, yeah. I freakin' hated it when Mankind said "Have a Nice Day!" and actually meant it. :o

[Sabretooth]

While we're talking about books,anybody ever read Edge's?

[Hunter Rider]

Partial Source: PWInsider.com

UPN representatives have been promoting an Eddie Guerrero show. UPN is listing a one hour special listed as "The Smackdown Special" for November 29th. We'll have to wait and see because nobody has 'officially' confirmed this.

Tatanka is telling friends that he has signed a WWE deal and is in much better shape than before.

Female wrestler Beth Carolan has signed a WWE developmental deal. A story can be found at star-gazette.com.

[Hunter Rider]

The reason some of the European tour dates had to be moved was because WWE needed both RAW and SmackDown! stars available for RAW on Monday to further the Survivor Series angles.

There is talk of bringing back The Undertaker in a much larger role as they certainly need him right now. His planned buried alive match with Randy Orton at Survivor Series is obviously now off due to Orton being added to Team SmackDown!.

WWE.com has changed the Street Fight scheduled for SmackDown! between Batista and Orton to a "No Holds Barred" match.

WWE.com also announced that Booker T will defend the US Title against Chris Benoit on SmackDown! next week.

[TheVileOne]

Nah, it's cool hunter. I just get a tad sensitive with stuff concerning Taker. :)

Anyhoo, a Taker/HBK feud would be great, but I don't think it'll happen with WWE in its current funk.

It already has happened before. It doesn't need to happen again.

We need to see new and fresh feuds. Matches that have yet to happen before or that have loads of potential. Like Mysterio/Benoit. Still something WWE refuses to do.

[Hunter Rider]

It already has happened before. It doesn't need to happen again.

We need to see new and fresh feuds. Matches that have yet to happen before or that have loads of potential. Like Mysterio/Benoit. Still something WWE refuses to do.

Who is there for HBK to feud with on RAW though ? he tried with Masters and it failed and Carlito isnt worth the time ,at least with Taker they havent fought for nearly 8 years

The biggest thing hurting WWE feuds is the brand divide,meaning fans can only get some match ups once a year

[LastSunrise1981]

Who is there for HBK to feud with on RAW though ? he tried with Masters and it failed and Carlito isnt worth the time ,at least with Taker they havent fought for nearly 8 years

The biggest thing hurting WWE feuds is the brand divide,meaning fans can only get some match ups once a year

There is no one for HBK to feud with on Raw unfortunately. Unless they can have him feud with RVD when he returns?

But you're right with the releases, injuries, and unfortunate deaths there is a short list of faces/heels to feud with anyone in particular. My solution? Rejoin the brands and create new feuds, stables, build up the cruiserweight division, and it'll provide better entertainment I believe.

It's still not the same without Eddie though. :( What I would've given to have seen Eddie vs. HBK. :(

[Sabretooth]

Yeah,I would've loved to have seen that match. But,like HBK said,one day they will meet again and wrestle on a stage bigger than Wrestlemania....Heaven.


One match I'd like to see is Kennedy vs. HBK or Kennedy vs. The Rock.Those promos would be golden :up:

[NDX]

I can see HBK v. Kennedy being a classic feud. But I hope that, if RVD comes back and does not win the Rumble, I hope he will feud with HBK, which will culminate with career highlighting match at WrestleMania.

[The Ghoul]

I can see HBK v. Kennedy being a classic feud. But I hope that, if RVD comes back and does not win the Rumble, I hope he will feud with HBK, which will culminate with career highlighting match at WrestleMania.

or have HBK win the title at RR & RVD win the Rumble & have one sick main event at WM22

[0neDisturbedSOB]

After getting a few e-mails/PM's on the subject I wanted to let you guys know that I will be offering my Eddie tribute as a custom vinyl decal for a short time. A few people here have e-mailed me asking if it was possible, and after tinkering around with the artwork I've decided that not only is it possible, it actually looks really nice.

The sticker will consist of the reversed headshot, and the words "In memory of Eddie Guerrero 1967-2005". I can make it in any color, but it looks best in black or white. If anyone is interested in one PM me. Just to save myself from any headache, I AM NOT trying to exploit his death to make a quick buck...this is something I was asked about so I am replying. I do have to charge for the cost of the vinyl, and the postage but those are both minimal costs depending on the size.

[TheVileOne]

There is no one for HBK to feud with on Raw unfortunately. Unless they can have him feud with RVD when he returns?

But you're right with the releases, injuries, and unfortunate deaths there is a short list of faces/heels to feud with anyone in particular. My solution? Rejoin the brands and create new feuds, stables, build up the cruiserweight division, and it'll provide better entertainment I believe.

It's still not the same without Eddie though. :( What I would've given to have seen Eddie vs. HBK. :(

Two words: John Cena.

[NDX]

or have HBK win the title at RR & RVD win the Rumble & have one sick main event at WM22

Now that would be ideal.

Looking at a few of my old tapes recently, I really wish I had more matches with Rick Martel matches documented. Been enjoying the matches he's wrestled on the few tapes I have.

[Hunter Rider]

Two words: John Cena.

HBK would have to go heel for that to work ,not to mention it's becoming pretty boring having vastly superior wreslters job to this flavour of the month

[Hunter Rider]

or have HBK win the title at RR & RVD win the Rumble & have one sick main event at WM22

That would be to awesome for words.....won't happen though:(

It's a big week for WWE with the likely Orton title change,WWE have blown it twice with Orton lets hope they make this one count

I also think now that Orton is part of team SD that his match with Taker will move to Armageddon and they will slap it with a gimmick to try and counteract Sabu vs Abyss in the Barbwire match

Another thing to note is the Benoit vs Booker match for the US title on SD,surely this should have been a SS match ? if Benoit loses clean i think that is the signal that he isn't signing his new deal

[Super_Ludacris]

HBK would have to go heel for that to work ,not to mention it's becoming pretty boring having vastly superior wreslters job to this flavour of the month

I don't know why not have it face vs. face? I mean those usually are the best matches and the fans decide who they like more.

[LastSunrise1981]

I don't know why not have it face vs. face? I mean those usually are the best matches and the fans decide who they like more.

Good point. Definitely worked for Bret vs. Bulldog and the classic Benoit vs. Booker T matches.

[Super_Ludacris]

Good point. Definitely worked for Bret vs. Bulldog and the classic Benoit vs. Booker T matches.

and Hogan vs. Warrior in WM6 and Micheals v. Hart at WM12

[Hunter Rider]

The problem with the Face vs Face scenario in this instance is that the 2 guys are not at the same level,the others you mentioned the guys were Equals

I think WM17 was the last Face vs Face ME

[Colossal Spoons]

One match I'd like to see is Kennedy vs. HBK or Kennedy vs. The Rock.Those promos would be golden :up:

That would be the best thing I'd ever lay eyes on. I can hear The Rock mocking his announcing now lol.

And I wanted to read Edge's book too. Have you read it?

[Sabretooth]

That would be the best thing I'd ever lay eyes on. I can hear The Rock mocking his announcing now lol.

And I wanted to read Edge's book too. Have you read it?
Nah,that's why I asked.Heard it was actually pretty good.:up:

[Colossal Spoons]

Yeah me too. I was about to pick up HHH's till I saw that it was a weght training book.

[Sabretooth]

One book I would've loved to have read was Eddie Guerrero's.I'm not saying that because he died,but because he's conquered everything life threw at him.It would've been beautiful.

[Hunter Rider]

- As noted last week, Michael Cole and Tazz are said to be paranoid about their positions on SmackDown, after seeing what happened to Jim Ross. Cole had wanted to move to Texas, but WWE nixed the idea.

- WWE's contract with the USA Network for "Raw" is a two year deal, with USA retaining the option for a third year.

- Word is that Ted DiBiase may end up back in front of the camera as a WWE manager, rather than just working backstage as a road agent, perhaps as a manager to his son.

- Stacy Keibler has dyed her hair brown for her upcoming movie "Manhunt in the Caribbean". The reason she has been away from TV recently is due to shooting the movie.

- Stephanie McMahon and Brian Gewetiz are against WWE offering Paul Heyman a new contract. Heyman's current contract expires on 12/31

[citizenpain]

i really hope RVD gets the big push that so long overdue when he comes back. i can already see the whole arena chanting his name as he makes his return.

ted dibiase coming back as a manager? that'd be friggin' awesome...

[Gameruler]

Oh yeah! I can't wait to see RVD again. Now that he's back on RAW he might be more entertaining then that taped SD!!!!

I watched Smackdown and I saw Chavo. Did he change his name back to Chavo Guerrero? Is he a face now?

[Lobo]

Who's Dibease's son :confused: Has he wrestled n TV yet?

[The Ghoul]

I watched Smackdown and I saw Chavo. Did he change his name back to Chavo Guerrero? Is he a face now?

Yes & most likely yes. He is going back to Chavo out of respect for Eddie & probebly for that same reason (or because he is no longer Kerwin) he will most likely be cheered whether he is face or not.

[PyroChamber]

^^^Thank God, that Kerwin White thing was awful.

[TheVileOne]

HBK would have to go heel for that to work ,not to mention it's becoming pretty boring having vastly superior wreslters job to this flavour of the month

Its a fresh match and a fresh feud. That's what WWE needs right now. HBK plays a great heel. I thought turning him face again after Hogan/HBK was stupid.

[NDX]

His face turn was a bad idea. HBK seems to take more liberties as a character when he plays the heel. Plus it's more fun to watch him as a heel than a face. If WWE does make HBK heel, just don't go the the same route as they did with his Hogan feud.

(Holy ****, I reached 500 posts. Very surprised about that one.)

[Eric Draven]

Even if they do turn HBK heel in a feud against Cena, the fans will most likely end up cheering for Shawn no matter what he does. I think a better course of action might be turning Cena heel instead. A face Shawn vs heel Cena would be way more watchable IMO.

[punishermax]

Even if they do turn HBK heel in a feud against Cena, the fans will most likely end up cheering for Shawn no matter what he does. I think a better course of action might be turning Cena heel instead. A face Shawn vs heel Cena would be way more watchable IMO.

Agreed. Cena is much more watchable as a heel.

[TheVileOne]

Then turn Cena heel. Just do something with those 2.

[NDX]

Fine, turn Cena heel. But Raw needs this feud already. The show has lost it's main event status and has become stale. It looks like Angle will never win the title from Cena at this rate, so something new must be done. Hell, I would take Edge using his damn "Money in the Bank Contract" and get that over with. Just somethig different already.

I must say, Smackdown! better find a way to headline WrestleMania 22 next year.

[TheVileOne]

I imagine the Wrestlemania feud for RAW next year will be Cena vs. HHH.

Also did anyone pick up the AWESOME Bret Hart DVD set?

[NDX]

The Wrestling Observer Newsletter reports that Edge seriously felt like quitting WWE not too long ago due to his unhappiness with the company. There had been lots of rumors within WWE that Edge would go with Christian to TNA as soon as possible. Edge still has a lot of time left on his contract though, and if he did want to, he couldn’t go to TNA until sometime in 2007.

Both Christian & Edge are close with Rhino as well as Scott D’Amore, TNA booker and on-air manager of Team Canada.

For the love of wrestling do NOT go to TNA!

[Hunter Rider]

I imagine the Wrestlemania feud for RAW next year will be Cena vs. HHH.

That may make WM22 the first i don't order,i don't dislike HHH the way most do but this formula of him dropping the title every WM is becoming a bore

As for HBK vs Cena,the problem lies in the fact HBK doesn't seem to push hard to be in the title scene and he already jobbed clean to Cena,plus i don't know about everyone else but I'm getting tired of seeing talented guys job to Cena.

If HBK was to be in the title match at WM22 I'd rather he went to SD and faced Orton to further Orton's Legend Killer Gimmick


Also did anyone pick up the AWESOME Bret Hart DVD set?


Haven't bought it yet but i will,i thought some of the match choices were a bit odd

[Keyser Soze]

In all honesty, I would like to see Kurt Angle beat John Cena at Survivor Series for the title. Get it off the hack for a while. Then maybe have an Angle/HHH/Benoit triple threat match at Mania.

As for the Smackdown main event for Wrestlemania, I was secretly hoping to see Chris Benoit turn heel and feud with Batista, but I think Randy Orton VS Batista is looking increasingly likely.

[Hunter Rider]

In all honesty, I would like to see Kurt Angle beat John Cena at Survivor Series for the title. Get it off the hack for a while. Then maybe have an Angle/HHH/Benoit triple threat match at Mania.

As for the Smackdown main event for Wrestlemania, I was secretly hoping to see Chris Benoit turn heel and feud with Batista, but I think Randy Orton VS Batista is looking increasingly likely.

God i hope not:( it's stupid to have Orton job the belt to Batista who is 41 coming up

[NDX]

I just do not want Batista to headline WrestleMania once again.

Last years WrestleMania was a disappointment outside of Angle/HBK and the then rare appearance of Hogan (which lost it's feel once he returned for a three month stint). It did not prove to me it was a $50 event, and coming this year if there are not enough matches that pique my interest, I will have to miss my first WrestleMania since 15. And I don't like the thought of that.

[citizenpain]

Also did anyone pick up the AWESOME Bret Hart DVD set?

yeah, i mentioned this before... the bret hart dvd is excellent. it without a doubt proves bret hart to truly be the best there is, was, and ever will be. i always knew that to be true, so if you don't believe it, watch the dvd... it will make you into a believer. the main feature is a good two hours and although it's slow at some points with bret repeating himself quite a bit, it's very enjoyable. there are two extra discs with some of bret's favorite/best matches, all of which make for pleasurable viewing.

[0neDisturbedSOB]

So Orton's most likely going to win the title from Batista tomorrow at the SD! tapings right?

Hey has anyone played the new SD! VS RAW 2006 game?

[Hunter Rider]

So Orton's most likely going to win the title from Batista tomorrow at the SD! tapings right?

Hey has anyone played the new SD! VS RAW 2006 game?

I think he has to,the match is set as No Holds Barred so im guessing some interference that will set up Batista's return feud will take place

[Hunter Rider]

I just do not want Batista to headline WrestleMania once again.

Last years WrestleMania was a disappointment outside of Angle/HBK and the then rare appearance of Hogan (which lost it's feel once he returned for a three month stint). It did not prove to me it was a $50 event, and coming this year if there are not enough matches that pique my interest, I will have to miss my first WrestleMania since 15. And I don't like the thought of that.

I feel the same way only it will be since WM8 for me:(
Last year HBK/Angle was the only classic with a couple of other strong matches but the 2 title matches were mediocre to crap

If this year pans out like some predict- Batista vs Orton,Cena vs HHH and Hogan vs Austin...............

then i will not be able to justify a purchase

[0neDisturbedSOB]

I think he has to,the match is set as No Holds Barred so im guessing some interference that will set up Batista's return feud will take place

That's sort of what I was thinking too. It could also set up some injury angle for Batista as well.

Anyone else gain a lot more respect for HHH after seeing him to do the clean job to Benoit on Smackdown? I also thought it was great to see him hug Benoit...no one was in character and it was great.

I hope Chavo is next in line for a push. Seeing him immitate Eddie's moves put a smile on my face.

[Hunter Rider]

That's sort of what I was thinking too. It could also set up some injury angle for Batista as well.

Anyone else gain a lot more respect for HHH after seeing him to do the clean job to Benoit on Smackdown? I also thought it was great to see him hug Benoit...no one was in character and it was great.

I hope Chavo is next in line for a push. Seeing him immitate Eddie's moves put a smile on my face.

Yeah although oddly He is still on the new poster for Armageddon and the talk is of Randy facing MAtt Hardy at that PPV:confused:

I thought it was a sincere moment between the two who respect the buisness

[Hunter Rider]

WWE.com just updated their drug testing story:

In a joint meeting today with the Raw and SmackDown rosters in the United Kingdom, in Sheffield, Vince McMahon announced that within the next several weeks, a new drug testing policy will be implemented in which performance enhancing drugs, such as steroids, etc., recreational drugs, as well as abuse of prescription drugs will be banned.

In addition to the new drug testing procedure, there will also be an emphasis on cardio vascular examinations.

The specifics of the drug policy will be announced over the next several weeks. More details to follow. Check with wwe.com for the latest information.

This can only be a good thing IMO

[Sabretooth]

Smart move.

[3dman27]

For the love of wrestling do NOT go to TNA!
whats wrong with it? its product looks good to me

[Hunter Rider]

WWE officials have been calling Sting as they want him to appear on WWE programming in the future. However, Sting has not been returning the phone calls as he doesn't have much interest in appearing in WWE. He is interested in working on a DVD project with WWE in the future though.
1 Legend's match appearence at a WM and a 3 disc DVD set would be awesome
I'd love to have the Sting/Flair Sting/Vader matches on DVD

[Hunter Rider]

whats wrong with it? its product looks good to me

I think he meant it as in he didn't want Edge to go to TNA and ruin the show lol

[Sabretooth]

For the love of wrestling do NOT go to TNA!
Didn't notice this until now,but I agree.Christian is fine on his own,and when Edge goes there it's probably going to end up just like with WWE.

[0neDisturbedSOB]

Yeah although oddly He is still on the new poster for Armageddon and the talk is of Randy facing MAtt Hardy at that PPV:confused:

I thought it was a sincere moment between the two who respect the buisness

The HHH/Benoit thing made me happy because it was nice to see people put egos aside for something much more important like Eddie's passing.

I'm just tired of Edge period.

[TheVileOne]

Haven't bought it yet but i will,i thought some of the match choices were a bit odd

I know. There are a lot of matches on there they should've put on there. Like HBK/Hart from Survivor Series 1992. Their first world title match. The first ever WWE ladder match between Hart and HBK for the IC title. Hart's first world title win over Ric Flair, and a fantastic world title defense against the 1-2-3 Kid. None of those matches have ever been collected on DVD before.

The Bret/Owen match from Sept. 94 is good but is nowhere near the level of their Wrestlemania or Summerslam matches. Lame finish. I am glad we got Bret/Diesel and Bret/Bulldog from 1995 though.

Sting needs to set aside his differences with WWE so we can get his DVD. Whether he likes it or not, WWE owns ALL his matches.

[Hunter Rider]

I know. There are a lot of matches on there they should've put on there. Like HBK/Hart from Survivor Series 1992. Their first world title match. The first ever WWE ladder match between Hart and HBK for the IC title. Hart's first world title win over Ric Flair, and a fantastic world title defense against the 1-2-3 Kid. None of those matches have ever been collected on DVD before.

The Bret/Owen match from Sept. 94 is good but is nowhere near the level of their Wrestlemania or Summerslam matches. Lame finish. I am glad we got Bret/Diesel and Bret/Bulldog from 1995 though.

Sting needs to set aside his differences with WWE so we can get his DVD. Whether he likes it or not, WWE owns ALL his matches.

Agreed,Sting deserves a DVD and so do the fans,he had some classics

I would have liked to have seen The Hart Foundation vs LOD and also the match where The Harts beat Demolition 2 out of 3 falls to win the tag belts rather than the short match at WM7 where they dropped them

I thought The Piper match from WM8 should have been there to

What were the matches vs Steamboat,Dibase and Bam Bam like ?

[TheVileOne]

I would have liked to have seen The Hart Foundation vs LOD and also the match where The Harts beat Demolition 2 out of 3 falls to win the tag belts rather than the short match at WM7 where they dropped them


I remember both those. And the Demolition match was off the chain.

The Hart Foundation also had a GREAT match with the Brain Busters (Arn Anderson and Tully Blanchard) at Summerslam 1989.


I thought The Piper match from WM8 should have been there to


Yes, especially since it was referenced heavily in the documentary feature.


What were the matches vs Steamboat,Dibase and Bam Bam like ?

I haven't watched them yet. I still don't understand why Bret put that match with Bam Bam from Spain on there.

[Hunter Rider]

I remember both those. And the Demolition match was off the chain.

The Hart Foundation also had a GREAT match with the Brain Busters (Arn Anderson and Tully Blanchard) at Summerslam 1989.

Fortunately i have the 2 out of 3 falls from SS90 and the Brain busters match from SS89 on VHS but i don't have the LOD match at all



Yes, especially since it was referenced heavily in the documentary feature.

I imagine it would be b/c it was the only real passing of the Torch match Bret had,by winning the crowd battle and going over clean against Piper at a Mania it proved he was ready to Main Event,im very disappointed that match isn't on there especially when the match with Hakushi is on the tape:confused:



I haven't watched them yet. I still don't understand why Bret put that match with Bam Bam from Spain on there.


The only thing i can think of is it must be the best match the 2 had and Bret wanted to show himself agaisnt a big man opponent b/c surely his KOTR 93 win over Bam Bam has more signifigance

[0neDisturbedSOB]

Here is an example of the Eddie sticker I mentioned earlier. The black represents the actual vinyl, while the white area represents the cut out area of the decal. For instance, if you stuck the decal on a red folder then the white area would now be red....follow?

I am cutting these for several people right now, if anyone else is interested let me know. I am only charging for the cost of vinyl + shipping (comes out to around $8)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v78/OneDisturbedSOB/Stickers/Eddie-decal.jpg

[Hunter Rider]

Looks like Randy vs Batista is off for SD as i think we just saw the injury angle
My guess now is a tournament with the semi's and final at Armageddon

[TheVileOne]

There are not enough guys on the roster to have a tournament. The finals will probably be another lame ass Orton/Taker match.

[Eric Draven]

That Snitsky-Tomko thing was a bit sick, yet funny at the same time :(

And the Boogeyman rocks. I don't think he even needs to wrestle. Just have him say any random **** and that's that.

[Colossal Spoons]

The Boogeyman segment tonight was gold. Cena did really well with it.

[Eric Draven]

The two best things: When Cena goes to open the door and the Boogeyman is on the other side drooling. And then when the Boogeyman smashes the clock over his head again.

Man, I can't believe how much I dig this character :up:

[Colossal Spoons]

Yeah, he's like a funny Papa Shango.

[TheVileOne]

Sorry. He's right down there with the Bastion Booger and the Gobblydegooker.

[Eric Draven]

Except the Gooblydegooker never smashed an oversized clock over his head. Or caress a heart in a perverted manner......

[TheVileOne]

And God bless him for that.

[Eric Draven]

Oh yeah? Well at least they didn't have Boogeyman dance with Mean Gene at Survivor Series! :mad:


Oh crap, Survivor Series is next week isn't it? :(

[Eklypze]

i was wandering about the boodeyman i thought i saw him on impact a few weeks ago but obviously i was mistaken but that stuff with him and Cena tonite was great "Im the Boogeyman and im gonne get ya!!!" i was laffin my ass off for like 20 minutes after that i cant wait to see what he can do in the ring hopefully he wont be stupid like Snitzky all the like "crazy" guys anymore just end up being huge jokes just like Snitzky i hope they give Boogeyman some good matches and hopefully hes at least an ok wrestler

[punishermax]

With Benjamin having two great matches in a row against Angle, does anyone else think the WWE might actually push him?

[Kaleb]

With Benjamin having two great matches in a row against Angle, does anyone else think the WWE might actually push him?
honestly I hope they do :up:

[GLfan]

If they actually allow Angle to take the title due to his personal Ref, I'm going to stop watch Raw. If he's going to win the title he should do so on his own without help.

[Hunter Rider]

Ugh the special ref idea is more suckage and most likely means Cena will win:( :down

[Eklypze]

see the thing about benjamin is that he doesnt really have a personality he kinda reminds me of rock back when he was rocky mavia hes a great wrestler hes just lacking in the character areak

[Hunter Rider]

see the thing about benjamin is that he doesnt really have a personality he kinda reminds me of rock back when he was rocky mavia hes a great wrestler hes just lacking in the character areak

The thing is he has never had a lot of chance to show much character,i mean he has barely been on the mic and never had a proper storyline

[White_Howling]

didnt benja release his own dvd?

[Hunter Rider]

http://www.wrestlezone.com/images/spacer.gif
Source: WrestlingObserver.com

- Unless things change, its unlikely Bret Hart will be inducted into WWE's hall of fame in 2006.

- Steve Austin vs. Hulk Hogan for Wrestlemania is probably less than 50/50. Austin is expecting to be filming "The Condemned" early next year.

- Speaking of the Hulkster, Hulk and his daughter Brooke take another bashing in the tabloids next week. There are photos and negative blurbs in both the National Enquirer and Star on 11/28.

- Roddy Piper is currently out of action nursing a broken hand.

[Colossal Spoons]

The thing is he has never had a lot of chance to show much character,i mean he has barely been on the mic and never had a proper storyline

His banter with Jericho was just atrocious. He needs to really work on his mic skills. I don't get the WWE; they ship him off to Heat for a while then they bring him back and push him. :confused:

[Hunter Rider]

His banter with Jericho was just atrocious. He needs to really work on his mic skills. I don't get the WEE; they ship him off to Heat for a while then they bring him back and push him. :confused:

That was ages ago though,apparently he has improved since then and to be honest there are several working higher up who arent great on the mic

[hotrain33]

I hope during the wwe title match at survivor series davari gets knocked out andhe is replaced by a ubiased one. All I want to see is Cena lose the gold to kurt. But having davari as angle's personal ref really destroy's any hope that cena will lose the title cleanly.

[Colossal Spoons]

That was ages ago though,apparently he has improved since then and to be honest there are several working higher up who arent great on the mic

It wasn't that long ago. When Shelton made fun of Fozzy? Oh, lots of the higher ups are crap on the mic too, I agree.

[The Ghoul]

The thing is that mic skills SHOULD be secondary. Shelton gets a great reaction from the crowd because of his in ring skills. No body gives a **** what he says because he can get by on nothing but great matches alone.

[LastSunrise1981]

The thing is that mic skills SHOULD be secondary. Shelton gets a great reaction from the crowd because of his in ring skills. No body gives a **** what he says because he can get by on nothing but great matches alone.

Brock Lesnar, Batista, and Randy Orton are horrible on the mic. Yet, they still got huge monster pushes and championship reigns.

I do agree that mic skills should be secondary. But this is the WWE we're talking about here. :o

[Kaleb]

Brock Lesnar, Batista, and Randy Orton are horrible on the mic. Yet, they still got huge monster pushes and championship reigns.

I do agree that mic skills should be secondary. But this is the WWE we're talking about here. :o
in that case carlito should be the fav

[LastSunrise1981]

in that case carlito should be the fav

Carlito is just OK on the mic. The only thing I like about him is the facial expressions he made during the Cabana, but other than that, his promos really did nothing for me in retrospect.

By the way, someone posted on the forum that Victoria and Candace kissed last night and made a big oopla about it. I watched it and it wasn't even a kiss, just a slight peck and nothing really steamy unfortunately. :( :down

I seriously think WWE should start pushing wrestlers they have neglected for quite sometime. An example would be like RVD, Kane, Booker T, and who else? Damn, there's really no one else due to the releases, unfortunate deaths, and injuries. :(

I swear if Cena wins this Sunday; my vomit will be projected at the screen and into the face of Vince McMahon.

[Eric Draven]

With the incredibly lukewarm reception Cena got yesterday, I could actually see them turning Cena heel soon. And that could set up Cena vs Shawn soon....

[LastSunrise1981]

With the incredibly lukewarm reception Cena got yesterday, I could actually see them turning Cena heel soon. And that could set up Cena vs Shawn soon....

You mean we'll hear Cena cut better raps? :eek: Then please, turn him heel soon. :up:

His raps were so much better when he was a heel.

[Eric Draven]

I don't even see him rapping anymore since he turned face. He used to have so much more intensity when he was a heel.

How ironic that he has become nothing more than Vanilla Ice now. And it was him dressing up as Vanilla Ice in one Halloween episode that got him over :(

[Not Jake]

he had the one rap a few weeks ago where he just burned everybody. all i remember is at the end of it he pulled out a pinwheel and said "i'm like a pinwheel, y'all can blow me"

it was pretty good.:D

[Eric Draven]

I think I remember that one. Was that the one where he also burned Lita?

I just wished he'd rap more though. That's the main thing that made him popular in the first place. And now, Cena seems as cool as Jamie Kennedy from Malibu's Most Wanted :(

[The Ghoul]

Brock Lesnar, Batista, and Randy Orton are horrible on the mic.

I don't think Randy Orton is bad on the mic. He just needs direction. Unlike others, he doesn't have natural charisma. But when he was in Evolution & the Legend Killer thing was just taking off, I found him very entertaining on the mic. Not so much anymore but that's just because they have him coming out to spew the same thing.The only difference is he doesn't have a cheesey ass catch phrase so it just seems like he is talking for the sake of talking.

As for Cena, I do think he is funny & DOES have natural charisma. I just don't like his character. I know it's really just him, but that really just means I wouldn't like him in person either. He isn't the first white rapper character, he is just taken more seriously... but all in all he is still just a rehashed character dating back to to Public Enemy.

[Hunter Rider]

I think Lesnar was fine on the mic,a bit like AJ or Bret,they did enough to get by and their presence/look and talent did the rest

With Cena the problem is he has no identity,he is 1 part wannabe Austin and 1 part wannabe Rock and even his main catchphrase is stolen from Samoa Joe.....not to mention he is a mediocre worker

The problem with his rapping or indeed Carlito's spiel is that it get's old fast,The Rock realised this when he became a cliche in 99 and re-invented his mic work to add more improvisation and less T-shirt lines
This will also become a problem for Kennedy,he needs to widen his range as he maybe flavour of the month right now but ppl will grow sick of the one dimensional spiel

[Hunter Rider]

I swear if Cena wins this Sunday; my vomit will be projected at the screen and into the face of Vince McMahon.

Unfortunatley i would prepare to vomit if i was you

The sad attempt by WWE un-creative to get Angle heat with Davari and the crowd censoring is a sure sign they intend for Cena to win and "beat the odds"

The fact they have to contrive heat because at TT the crowd were behind Angle and booing Cena shows exactly why Cena isn't the golden hope they thought he was,
I don't recall ,Hogan,HBK,Bret,Austin or The Rock needing the heels to get contrived heat because they couldn't generate their own support:o

[Sarge 2.0]

Unfortunatley i would prepare to vomit if i was you

The sad attempt by WWE un-creative to get Angle heat with Davari and the crowd censoring is a sure sign they intend for Cena to win and "beat the odds"

The fact they have to contrive heat because at TT the crowd were behind Angle and booing Cena shows exactly why Cena isn't the golden hope they thought he was,
I don't recall ,Hogan,HBK,Bret,Austin or The Rock needing the heels to get contrived heat because they couldn't generate their own support:oI wholeheartedly agree. While Cena may have his loyal fanbase (What major WWE player doesn't?) He's not the Austin or Rock level crossover champ that Vince was probably shooting or hoping for.

[Hunter Rider]

I wholeheartedly agree. While Cena may have his loyal fanbase (What major WWE player doesn't?) He's not the Austin or Rock level crossover champ that Vince was probably shooting or hoping for.
The fact he had a crap build up in 2004 didn't help,he had endless meaningless matches with Dupree and Carlito and his green as grass bodyguard then suddenly he is in the main event and winning the belt at WM21,
The fans simply didn't have time to get used to him and he hadn't had enough good matches to gain the credibility a face champ needs

I still say WWE missed their best shot since Brock when they pulled the trigger to soon on Orton

[Keyser Soze]

The fact he had a crap build up in 2004 didn't help,he had endless meaningless matches with Dupree and Carlito and his green as grass bodyguard then suddenly he is in the main event and winning the belt at WM21,
The fans simply didn't have time to get used to him and he hadn't had enough good matches to gain the credibility a face champ needs

I still say WWE missed their best shot since Brock when they pulled the trigger to soon on Orton

Good points. I think WWE is the worst it has been in many years, so how fitting that the face of the company is John Cena, the worst flagship star since Lex Luger.

It's not that John Cena is horrible. I don't hate him by any means. I greatly enjoyed his work as a heel. The problem was that when they turned him face, they chopped the balls off the character. And even then, I thought "Give him a couple of years, and he MIGHT be championship material." As it turns out, we only ended up waiting a couple of months before he got the belt.

And what an unimpressive victory it was. Coming off the back of a ridiculous run that pretty much killed the credibility of the US Title Division (Praise goes to Mr. Benoit for making the belt mean something again), he has one of the most lacklustre Wrestlemania world title feuds in recent years. Now, I'm no fan of JBL by any means, but I give credit to the man where it's due. He single-handedly saved that program from descending into total disaster. It were his promos that generated such great heel heat that just about ANYBODY who challenged him would be a monster babyface. And in the actual Wrestlemania match, he carried Cena, spot for spot, all the way through it. And when you have to be carried by BRADSHAW, that should be a sign that you're not good enough for the main event.

Since then, his entire title run has been little more than a joke. Far superior workers are routinely made to job to him repeatedly. Though I can see why they are making him fight the best - only the best (Benoit, Angle, Jericho) can actually get a great match out of Cena. But the point is that, much like with the US Title Division, he's killed the credibility of the World TItle scene. When you have Kurt Angle job to the same guy over and over, how are people going to take him seriously as a champion should he eventually win the belt?

The only program with Cena I was remotely excited about was his feud with Christian. It had all the makings of a genuinely excellent feud. They had good chemistry in promos (see Royal Rumble). They were doing the slow-build perfectly, with Christian's excellent promos attacking Cena blatantly foreshadowing future conflict. The match quality would have been good, because Christian's specific area of talent is making other workers looks good. And best of all, like all the great feuds, it could have been partially based on truth. The talented wrestler who has worked unrecognised for years, only to be overtaken by a rookie with little talent, who is given everything on a plate. Christian VS John Cena could have done wonders for the careers of both men. So of course WWE scrapped the idea. Christian was wise to move to TNA...

WWE need to face the facts. John Cena is not a good champion, and the fans know it. Your top face should have the fans going wild whenever he appears - look at the monster pops The Rock and Austin got just by stepping out of a car. He shouldn't be getting booed. Fans are tired of Cena's act. So either turn him heel, or have him drop the title. I'd go for option B. Give him time to gain some experience before putting him back in the title chase, and give him a decent prgoram leading into him winning the title back. Then MAYBE the fans will respect them.

Until then, and many will be shocked to see these words, I wish they'd hurry up and give the title back to Triple H. At least he's a credible champion...

[Bad Superman]

WOW, I think this is the first time there's only one title match on Survivor Series and we know who's gonna win. . . That should take a chunk out of expected PPV orders.

[Sabretooth]

The two best things: When Cena goes to open the door and the Boogeyman is on the other side drooling. And then when the Boogeyman smashes the clock over his head again.

Man, I can't believe how much I dig this character :up:
Cena's face was golden. I really didn't think Boogeyman would be there,I was pleasantly suprised :up:

[citizenpain]

boogeyman = kamala + roids.

[0neDisturbedSOB]

So what's going on with the World title right now? I thought Batista getting chokeslammed thru the windshield was going to be the start of the injury angle for him, but then when he showed up at the end of RAW it was apparent that's not going to be the case.

Is he going to go out to rehab his injury or is he going to keep the belt and work thru it? personally I'd like to see him drop it for now, rehab his injury and then come back better than ever and try to regain the title from whoever has it (possibly Orton).

[Bad Superman]

So what's going on with the World title right now? I thought Batista getting chokeslammed thru the windshield was going to be the start of the injury angle for him, but then when he showed up at the end of RAW it was apparent that's not going to be the case.

Is he going to go out to rehab his injury or is he going to keep the belt and work thru it? personally I'd like to see him drop it for now, rehab his injury and then come back better than ever and try to regain the title from whoever has it (possibly Orton).

I don't know what the heck they're gonna do with the title, since Batista retained against Orton via No Contest.

Batista should drop it and get healed.

[0neDisturbedSOB]

I agree. For 40yrs old the guy is in amazing shape, and has IMO a lot of untapped potential, he just needs to get healed up and come back with that "silent monster" gimmick.

[Hunter Rider]

Batista is best suited to a tag team enviroment,his only strong point is the 2 power moves he does at the end of every match,he has very little mobility,he can't sell and he has very little skill plus has no one else noticed he needs a rest spot every other movement just so he can get his breath back

He looks in good shape bodybuilder-wise but so does Hogan but they arent fit as in a "can go the length and pace Flair went at in the steel cage at 58 years old" way

[Hunter Rider]

Credit: PWInsider

-- The word going around right now is that Eugene was taking Somas to take the edge off a sore knee he was working with, which may need medical attention. He put off getting it looked at by doctors because he didn't want to lose his spot due to injury. Apparently he just kept working through the pain and used the pills to do so.

-- Right now it doesn't look like there has been any official deal signed to bring in Joey Styles as the full time voice of RAW.

-- To shut down rumors going around a few weeks ago, it's believed that Chris Benoit's WWE contract doesn't expire until either the end of 2005 or early into 2006. So his contract expiration is coming up soon, but not at the end of the month as previously reported.

[0neDisturbedSOB]

Batista is best suited to a tag team enviroment,his only strong point is the 2 power moves he does at the end of every match,he has very little mobility,he can't sell and he has very little skill plus has no one else noticed he needs a rest spot every other movement just so he can get his breath back

He looks in good shape bodybuilder-wise but so does Hogan but they arent fit as in a "can go the length and pace Flair went at in the steel cage at 58 years old" way

I guess I'm just "old school" in the thinking that the WWE will probably never be as good as it was during the "Attitude era". All of these new stars are just missing that "it factor" to bring them to the level of Hogan, Austin or Rock. Cena is good, but I see him trying to be too much like Austin in that he is constantly beating all the odds, he's even trying to be the "people's champ"...I don't blame him for that, at all...he's just playing his character. I do think Vince is trying to recreate the magic that brought him so much success during the mid 90's with Austin, Rock, DX...etc and sadly it's just not working.

I think the WWE needs to focus on creating NEW characters with NEW storylines, and NEW personalities, and not just focus on putting NEW characters into OLD situations...it just doesn't work.

During the mid 90's I had a clear cut favorite (Stone Cold). Nowadays I really couldn't tell you who my favorite is...I like Cena, Batista, Orton, Benoit...etc but none of them bring that excitement quite like Austin or Rock did. During the Austin-craze I was buying everything with his name or likeness on it...now the only WWE items I want are DVD's and a few books.

I don't know, maybe I'm just getting older but the WWE has been in a slump ever since separating the rosters a few years back.

[Hunter Rider]

I guess I'm just "old school" in the thinking that the WWE will probably never be as good as it was during the "Attitude era". All of these new stars are just missing that "it factor" to bring them to the level of Hogan, Austin or Rock. Cena is good, but I see him trying to be too much like Austin in that he is constantly beating all the odds, he's even trying to be the "people's champ"...I don't blame him for that, at all...he's just playing his character. I do think Vince is trying to recreate the magic that brought him so much success during the mid 90's with Austin, Rock, DX...etc and sadly it's just not working.

I think the WWE needs to focus on creating NEW characters with NEW storylines, and NEW personalities, and not just focus on putting NEW characters into OLD situations...it just doesn't work.

During the mid 90's I had a clear cut favorite (Stone Cold). Nowadays I really couldn't tell you who my favorite is...I like Cena, Batista, Orton, Benoit...etc but none of them bring that excitement quite like Austin or Rock did. During the Austin-craze I was buying everything with his name or likeness on it...now the only WWE items I want are DVD's and a few books.

I don't know, maybe I'm just getting older but the WWE has been in a slump ever since separating the rosters a few years back.

I agree,Cena as i discussed with Keyser just wasn't ready to be champ and the forced nature of his character mixed with his mediocre ring skills don't help him,Ive heard he is a decent guy and he has improved but the position he is in is to much for what he has IMO

I still love HBK(always been my fav) so for me i still get the rush as i was never a Rock or Austin fan,but the real excitement is AJ Styles and Samoa Joe in TNA for me at the moment

The last WWE guy to give me the rush in the main event dominant sense was Brock Lesnar

[Mike_D]

I just dont see any enthusiasm as we used to see back in the Ultimate Warrior and Hulk Hogan days. Prefferably early 90s. Nobody is original anymore, they wear suits and sunglasses and use the one-name angle like "the rock". It was okay for The Rock to do that because he was original and basically did it first. Now I see Batista doing it, and then I remember seeing "The Juice" in wcw awhile ago...just rediculous. The only enjoyable character for me were the Hurricane, Eugene and the physical fitness guy Simon. I dont know what happend to the two oriental wrestlers who had they're voices dubbed when they were on the mic, but those are the only wrestlers that stick out in my head as to why I tuned to wrestling as I got older. Entertainment value. These days you just dont see that, hell, Kane even doesnt wear his mask anymore (even though he was supposivley scarred beyond recognition). You dont see any interaction with the audience (sans bret hart giving his sunglasses to the kids), all the wrestlers basically look the same (crew cuts/shaved heads and the steroyde junkies, at least Ted Dibiase and Jake the Snake looked like every day men), and you dont see ANY excitment or enthusiam inside the ring, just looks like they're there to do a job (which they are but damn its sports entertainment). Cripe, the last time I saw somebody actually put all their effort and soul into an ass kicking was the match between Steve Austin and Brett Hart (Austin screaming and giving Hart the finger).

...I hope they start bringing more entertainment value and less "you took my girlfriend/title now lets fight" drama that happens every week. The last enjoyable match that I saw was a week ago with Eugen and Simon! That got my hopes up that the WWE might be getting back on track.

[Hunter Rider]

I just dont see any enthusiasm as we used to see back in the Ultimate Warrior and Hulk Hogan days. Prefferably early 90s. Nobody is original anymore, they wear suits and sunglasses and use the one-name angle like "the rock". It was okay for The Rock to do that because he was original and basically did it first. Now I see Batista doing it, and then I remember seeing "The Juice" in wcw awhile ago...just rediculous. The only enjoyable character for me were the Hurricane, Eugene and the physical fitness guy Simon. I dont know what happend to the two oriental wrestlers who had they're voices dubbed when they were on the mic, but those are the only wrestlers that stick out in my head as to why I tuned to wrestling as I got older. Entertainment value. These days you just dont see that, hell, Kane even doesnt wear his mask anymore (even though he was supposivley scarred beyond recognition). You dont see any interaction with the audience (sans bret hart giving his sunglasses to the kids), all the wrestlers basically look the same (crew cuts/shaved heads and the steroyde junkies, at least Ted Dibiase and Jake the Snake looked like every day men), and you dont see ANY excitment or enthusiam inside the ring, just looks like they're there to do a job (which they are but damn its sports entertainment). Cripe, the last time I saw somebody actually put all their effort and soul into an ass kicking was the match between Steve Austin and Brett Hart (Austin screaming and giving Hart the finger).

...I hope they start bringing more entertainment value and less "you took my girlfriend/title now lets fight" drama that happens every week. The last enjoyable match that I saw was a week ago with Eugen and Simon! That got my hopes up that the WWE might be getting back on track.
I couldnt disagree more

[Colossal Spoons]

::gasp: Somebody likes Simon Dean!?

j/k he was great as Nova but this character got old ver, very quickly.

[Mike_D]

I just enjoy the cheese factor of the wrestling gimmicks. if they're all the same with no characteristics at all then theres no fun.

[Eric Draven]

Like the Boogeyman, I like the Simon Dean gimmick as well just for the cheese factor. Those kind of gimmicks just show up for one segment, do their schtick, and that's it.

Plus, Nova plays the Simon Dean character perfectly :o

[Hunter Rider]

Give me Samoa Joe,Aj Styles,HBK,Kurt Angle or Benoit over any gimmick wrestler any day

[Eric Draven]

Those are good as well. But sometimes, I like a bit of variety. Just as long as the gimmicky wrestlers aren't overshadowing everything....

[Colossal Spoons]

A perfect example of when a gimmick goes too far for too long = Eugene. :down:

[Eric Draven]

A perfect example of when a gimmick goes too far for too long = Eugene. :down:

I thought Eugene was an interesting gimmick. But his feud with Triple H totally ruined him. He should've been stuck in the very low mid-card at least, just as a comedy act. That's it.

[Hunter Rider]

I miss guys whose gimmick was doing somewthing hardcore ,i am not a fan of the comedy charatcers

[Mike_D]

HBK and kurt angle have gimmicks, kurt angle brought his olympic champion image to the ring with medals complete with cheesey song. HBK...well no explanation needed there. i actually enjoyed kurt angle before he shaved his head and became a heel.

[Hunter Rider]

HBK and kurt angle have gimmicks, kurt angle brought his olympic champion image to the ring with medals complete with cheesey song. HBK...well no explanation needed there. i actually enjoyed kurt angle before he shaved his head and became a heel.

I like Angle much more now than when he was a bafoon,his gimmick now is that he is a legit badass and that suits him and he still has humour

[Colossal Spoons]

I miss the 3 I's

[David Ford, RPD]

I miss the gimmick-laden WWF on the late 90s. That stuff was like a living, breathing comic book with some of the most outlandish storylines ever unleashed upon the masses. The writers have been playing it safe over the last few years, taking WCW's "Cartoony=Satan" concept and generally making the whole thing a bore.

[Sabretooth]

I like Angle much more now than when he was a bafoon,his gimmick now is that he is a legit badass and that suits him and he still has humour
I still like Angle,but not as much as I used to. I guess I never realized it,but he has the most annoying lisp.

[Hunter Rider]

I still like Angle,but not as much as I used to. I guess I never realized it,but he has the most annoying lisp.

it's that damn gumshield,he needs to remove it before he speaks:mad:

[Sarge 2.0]

it's that damn gumshield,he needs to remove it before he speaks:mad:Heh, you're right. I like the look it adds while he's wrestling, though.

[Hunter Rider]

Heh, you're right. I like the look it adds while he's wrestling, though.

speaking of Kurt


Credit: PWTorch.com Newsletter

Apparently Kurt Angle has been pushing for a run with the WWE title really hard lately. He is saying that there is more money in Cena chasing Angle for the title leading up to WrestleMania, rather than Angle chasing Cena. Right now it doesn't look like Vince is going to give in, as he wants Cena to have a lengthy run as a strong champ to get him over for the long run.


Is Vince senile, NO ONE is buying Cena no matter how many superior workers job to him:o

[Hunter Rider]

Credit: PWTorch.com Newsletter

Chris Masters has built up a good reputation for being friendly with fans outside of arenas and hotels.

Coach is said to be very happy with Joey Styles being added to the RAW broadcast team, as he has never wanted to be a play-by-play announcer.

Well Masters had to be good at somethinghttp://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif

[Sabretooth]

Ugh.Where the hell has Vince been for the past few weeks? Cena has been getting booed ever since Homecoming,get that title off him and turn him heel! Then,they can build up Shelton as top face,and put him in the main event with Angle at Wrestlemania.

[Hunter Rider]

Ugh.Where the hell has Vince been for the past few weeks? Cena has been getting booed ever since Homecoming,get that title off him and turn him heel! Then,they can build up Shelton on the road to WM 22,and have him face Angle.

That would be cool but I'd prefer RVD to make his return at RR and win going on to beat Kurt at WM22 but lets be honest Vince is gonna go with the incredibly boring and predictable Cena vs HHH ME for WM22:(

[Sabretooth]

That would be cool but I'd prefer RVD to make his return at RR and win going on to beat Kurt at WM22 but lets be honest Vince is gonna go with the incredibly boring and predictable Cena vs HHH ME for WM22:(
Nah. RVD should face a heel HBK at Wrestlemania. Ladder match. End of story.

As for Cena,I'd honestly like to see him turn heel and face Austin or Orton.:up:

[Hunter Rider]

Nah. RVD should face a heel HBK at Wrestlemania. Ladder match. End of story.

As for Cena,I'd honestly like to see him turn heel and face Austin or Orton.:up:

The ladder match needs to be for sometihng though,id have him beat Angle at WM22 then defend the title in a ladder match against HBK at Summerslam

Orton vs Cena could work but im not sure Austin would lose to Cena

[Sabretooth]

Yeah,Austin would probably go along and act like he was going to compete in the match,then at the last second drop out because it didn't go his way.


I've been itching to see Orton vs. Cena for a loooooong time.I was anticipating their match a few weeks ago and was seriously dissapointed.I still think they have the chemistry to work a great match though :up:

[Hunter Rider]

Yeah,Austin would probably go along and act like he was going to compete in the match,then at the last second drop out because it didn't go his way.


I've been itching to see Orton vs. Cena for a loooooong time.I was anticipating their match a few weeks ago and was seriously dissapointed.I still think they have the chemistry to work a great match though :up:

Well i think Orton and Cena at the moment don't have enough experience to make it work
Clearly it is a possible big future main event but right now Cena needs to be in with someone who can carry him and Orton isn't at that point yet,he can hold his own but he can't carry Cena's weight as well

[Sabretooth]

Well i think Orton and Cena at the moment don't have enough experience to make it work
Clearly it is a possible big future main event but right now Cena needs to be in with someone who can carry him and Orton isn't at that point yet,he can hold his own but he can't carry Cena's weight as well
True. Besides,I can already guess the main event for WM22. Triple Threat of Angle,Cena,and Masters. Ugh :down

[Asgard]

I hope Kurt does get the title soon. I was always a fan of Kurt since the beginning of his WWE run and he seems like the best person to get the title after Cena.

Also, did anyone else find his feud with Booker T. hilarious?

"Booker T., first, Im going to dominate you; then Im going to dominate Sharmel!"

I loved that line.

[The Ghoul]

Truthfully, I see Cena improving, but I just don't like him. Something about him is very dispiseble. Where is the variety? As I said before, he is nothing more than a rehashed character dating back to Public Enemy, maybe further. Also someone (I forgot who & I am too lazy to look) said before about the magic WWE got with Austin, Rock & D-X. But those were all accidents. Vince can't create the next huge star anymore, but he has gotten so ****ing cocky that he can't see that, but evidence shows that the ones who LEGITAMETLY get popular are the ones he never expected to (I.E. Austin, Matt Hardy & most reacently Christian Cage... Adding the "Cage" out of a sign or respect)
Unlike 8-10 years ago where Vinces was in what he thought was real competition so if someone accidently got big he went with it. (apparently he believes TNA isn't competition because he chooses to ignore any negitive reaction he may get & just pretend there is no buzz about TNA) So sence he "thinks" there is nothing to worry about he is comfortable with not pushing coincidental stars. Granted everyone is a loud to have a dry run esspecially when they don't have an alternitive. but 4 & 1/2 years is redunkulous & now there is very strong rival & if any time is time to bring the A-Game that we all know Vince has, it's deffinetly now. After Nitro priemered WWF/E had 2-3 years to build. But after the boom of the internet & how fast TNA built up, they no longer have that time esspecially how much they have been whoring themselves to the general public sence moving back to USA they have to deliever for the people who might just be getting into it again or for the first time. Simple logic, More comercials means you expect more viewers & in order to keep those new viewers... your product has to actually be good. If they decide to keep Heyman it shouldn't be just for protection so he doesn't move to Florida or start his own promotion. He should be head writer of Raw. With him writing Raw & Dusty writing SD! WWE could actually be interesting & fun again. If Heyman does go to TNA & starts writing for them, I believe WWE will no longer have a chance. With D'more's booking & Heyman's creativity TNA would be an unstopable force not to be ****ed with. No one really HATES WWE they're just embarassed to be fans. It's just like SNL. Every 10 years they suck but it will get better & when it does it will be fantabulous.

[3dman27]

I miss the gimmick-laden WWF on the late 90s. That stuff was like a living, breathing comic book with some of the most outlandish storylines ever unleashed upon the masses. The writers have been playing it safe over the last few years, taking WCW's "Cartoony=Satan" concept and generally making the whole thing a bore.
you have a point there:spidey: :thing:

[TheVileOne]

I don't miss the Vince Russo crash TV era of the late 90's.

[NDX]

I don't miss the Vince Russo crash TV era of the late 90's.

Same here.

[LastSunrise1981]

speaking of Kurt



Is Vince senile, NO ONE is buying Cena no matter how many superior workers job to him:o

At this point, if Angle doesn't win the title off of Cena, then I'll be happy with seeing Triple H burying him in mid-card/lower-card hell.

How come Vince didn't have this much faith in Benoit, RVD, Christian, or even Jericho? :mad:

[The Sage]

At this point, if Angle doesn't win the title off of Cena, then I'll be happy with seeing Triple H burying him in mid-card/lower-card hell.

How come Vince didn't have this much faith in Benoit, RVD, Christian, or even Jericho? :mad:

Probably because Benoit, RVD and Jericho are all talent that wasn't homegrown in WWE, while Cena is. As for Christian, who knows.

[Keyser Soze]

Because Christian isn't 'roided to high hell. It should be interesting to see how the WWE roster handles this new no-drugs policy.

[Colossal Spoons]

Heh, how they're gonna "handle" it is to continue supplying their wrestlers with juice and make it look like they're screening them.

[Sabretooth]

Heh, how they're gonna "handle" it is to continue supplying their wrestlers with juice and make it look like they're screening them.
Precisely. There are way too many wrestlers who are on the juice,even their precious Cena and Batista.Hell,I remember a rumor back in the 90's that the only person who wasn't doing drugs was Bret Hart :eek:

[Hunter Rider]

At this point, if Angle doesn't win the title off of Cena, then I'll be happy with seeing Triple H burying him in mid-card/lower-card hell.

How come Vince didn't have this much faith in Benoit, RVD, Christian, or even Jericho? :mad:

LOL never though i'd see you post thathttp://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif

I think Ghoul said it best when he mentioned how Vince is not looking at what is over and letting guys that get over naturally have the push like he did in prior years,he is instead desperate to have Cena be over b/c he can crossover with his rap albums and movie roles,the problem is that the route of Vince business is WWE and fans aren't having this force fed champion crap

[The Ghoul]

Yesterday, I got Nevermore: Best of Raven dvd. It is awesome. they have mostly early TNA matches back when they had the regular ring. He does commentary with Terry Taylor on 2 of the matches & along with being incredibly smart, he is also really funny. If anyone like TNA's weekly PPV show & are a Raven fan (he is #3 on my top 5 list) this is really worth the pick up. While WWE dvds are more in depth, TNA dvds are just very entertaining & have great matches. My favorite was the Clockwork Orange House of Fun match against Sandman. Kevin Sullivan was hilarious as the ref. He painted black stripes across his body instead of a shirt & was handing weapons to both Raven & Sandman. He was more of a cheerleader than a ref.

[citizenpain]

it's a shame that the wwe owns all wcw and ecw footage, because i'd really love to see a real best of raven dvd, including his runs in each of the big three. oh well.

great south park quote in your sig, by the way... that episode was one of the funniest in a long time.

[Sarge 2.0]

it's a shame that the wwe owns all wcw and ecw footage, because i'd really love to see a real best of raven dvd, including his runs in each of the big three. oh well.

great south park quote in your sig, by the way... that episode was one of the funniest in a long time.I'd love to see the Crucifixion of Sandman on dvd sometime. :up:

[The Ghoul]

I thought it would be awesome to have "best of (shows)" dvd Like full episodes, not just segmants/matches in a box set like the top 10 best episodes of Raw/Nitro. but sence ECW was only on TNN for about a year so you can also add their old syndicated show. granted something like that would be killer expensive (plus special features you can't release dvds without special features anymore or you'll just screw yourself). like top 10 episodes of Raw on 5 discs. top 5 episodes of Nitro 1 one each disc (it was three hour show so 10 would be obscenly long.) & top 10 ECW episodes. I'm sure no matter how crazy expensive it is it would sell fairly well.

[TheVileOne]

They show a lot of older episodes of RAW and Nitro on WWE 24/7.

[The Ghoul]

i don't have 24/7 & i really want it badly.

[Eric Draven]

LOL never though i'd see you post thathttp://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif

I think Ghoul said it best when he mentioned how Vince is not looking at what is over and letting guys that get over naturally have the push like he did in prior years,he is instead desperate to have Cena be over b/c he can crossover with his rap albums and movie roles,the problem is that the route of Vince business is WWE and fans aren't having this force fed champion crap

Actually initially with Cena, they pushed him because he was way over with the fans. I mean look at him two years ago. He was extremely, extremely popular. I mean even when he was a heel, he was still being cheered for. That's probably why they turned him face. The WWE thought they struck gold with him and probably that was the reason why they pushed him as champion.


But who would've thought though that his character would turn so lame and the fans would turn on him just as quickly. It happens all the time though. I mean remember that Raw Anniversary show? The Rock was booed heavily in that, they turned him heel shortly after that and he got over again.

That's why I'm all for a Cena heel turn. It could definitely help out his character again.....

[Hunter Rider]

Actually initially with Cena, they pushed him because he was way over with the fans. I mean look at him two years ago. He was extremely, extremely popular. I mean even when he was a heel, he was still being cheered for. That's probably why they turned him face. The WWE thought they struck gold with him and probably that was the reason why they pushed him as champion.


But who would've thought though that his character would turn so lame and the fans would turn on him just as quickly. It happens all the time though. I mean remember that Raw Anniversary show? The Rock was booed heavily in that, they turned him heel shortly after that and he got over again.

That's why I'm all for a Cena heel turn. It could definitely help out his character again.....

I remember his initial run as a heel that got him over but i don't think he had ever garnered the kind of quality match history that Austin and Rock had,i mean his ring work was better then than now but lets face it this new slow rest spot style Vince is forcing on the company is killing a lot of guys including Rey Mysterio

Cena had a gimmick popularity but he had no credibility and i don't think WWE gave him the seasoning guys like Hart,HBK,Ausitn and Rock had in his build up to winning the title so he still works like a rookie

They pushed him to a spot his talent wasn't ready for and in the process culled the only good aspect of him which was his character,now with that segment the other night it was like watching a poor mans Rock

[Keyser Soze]

The problem was that Cena was popular as an upper mid-card heel. In response, WWE jumped the shark by shoving down our throats as a main event babyface. Guys like The Rock and Austin changed nothing about their characters other than who they came into conflict with when they turned face. But Cena practically comes out every week and screams "Please like me! Please!"

[Sabretooth]

They should turn him heel and then build up Shelton as a top face,don't shove him down our throats,but do something similar to the year where Benoit got pushed and became champ.

[Hunter Rider]

The problem was that Cena was popular as an upper mid-card heel. In response, WWE jumped the shark by shoving down our throats as a main event babyface. Guys like The Rock and Austin changed nothing about their characters other than who they came into conflict with when they turned face. But Cena practically comes out every week and screams "Please like me! Please!"

Yep they did the same thing with Orton,
the ideal way to use Orton was keep him as a heel champion with HHH looking on with jealousy and then after a slow build have him turn on Randy and set up their feud

Instead WWE decided to turn him face in a 24 hour period and then proceeded to strip away the cool things that ppl liked about him as a heel leaving a generic babyface

[Hunter Rider]

Sources: PWTorch, Wrestling Observer

The last two weeks have seen a positive ratings increase for SmackDown, drawing a 2.7 and a 3.0 on Nov 11 and Nov 18 respectively. These have been the two best ratings SmackDown has achieved since moving from Thursdays to Fridays.

Editors pulled Triple H from a new book called "Sports Fan Voodoo Kit," on the grounds that they didn't think anyone would know who he was. He was supposed to be included in a list of "people in need of a good thrashing".

As it stands WWE are not too hopeful that the potential Austin/Hogan match at WrestleMania will go ahead. They plan to make further attempts at talking Austin into the idea early next year.

I will really admire Austin if he sticks to his guns over this:up:
His last WM match was something to be proud of,it was a good match with The Rock and he went down old west style after 3 Rock Bottoms,don't throw that away,go out with class Stone Cold

[Sarge 2.0]

I will really admire Austin if he sticks to his guns over this:up:
His last WM match was something to be proud of,it was a good match with The Rock and he went down old west style after 3 Rock Bottoms,don't throw that away,go out with class Stone ColdHe has also said that he dislikes Hogan for whatever reason, and would never do a match with him...I doubt he'd change his mind for any paycheck Vince offers.

[Hunter Rider]

He has also said that he dislikes Hogan for whatever reason, and would never do a match with him...I doubt he'd change his mind for any paycheck Vince offers.

Hogan held him down in WCW and had his fired while he was injured i believe
While the match would be utter garbage and an insult The backstage politics would be interesting on this one as neither want to job to the other

[Sabretooth]

Yeah,but Hogan would still come out winning.That or Austin would pull out at the last second.

[SLYspyder]

Actually initially with Cena, they pushed him because he was way over with the fans. I mean look at him two years ago. He was extremely, extremely popular. I mean even when he was a heel, he was still being cheered for. That's probably why they turned him face. The WWE thought they struck gold with him and probably that was the reason why they pushed him as champion.


But who would've thought though that his character would turn so lame and the fans would turn on him just as quickly. It happens all the time though. I mean remember that Raw Anniversary show? The Rock was booed heavily in that, they turned him heel shortly after that and he got over again.

That's why I'm all for a Cena heel turn. It could definitely help out his character again.....

well cena's getting booed now because look how long he's been a champion, it's only his first title run and he's young, its getting ****in stale. the rock was getting booed because he left the WWE and fans felt betrayed, and you know it.

[Eric Draven]

His schtick also got stale. Weren't they cheering for Lesner over Rock in their championship match?

[TheVileOne]

Well that was in NY, very famous for being a SMARK crowd these days.

But yeah, at the time everyone knew Rock was leaving and they went for the new monster, Brock Lesnar over the Rock.

[punishermax]

Jake The Snake Roberts never won a belt in his entire WWF career.

Along with The Rock, Chavo Guerrero and Randy Orton are 3rd generation Superstars.

Vince McMahon was Shane's best man at his wedding.

Bret Hart and Chris Benoit are the only triple crown champions in WCW and WWF/E.

Shawn Michaels is the wrestler who has forfeited most titles in WWF/E history.

Jerry Lawler and the Honky Tonk Man are cousins.

Roddy Piper's first clean pin in the WWF was by Bret Hart.

DDP drove the Honky Tonk Mans pink cadillac at WrestleMania VI.

Hulk Hogan vs. King Kong Bundy is the only cage match in WrestleMania history.

Howard Finkel has appeared at every WrestleMania onscreen.

WrestleMania 2000 is the only WrestleMania not to feature a traditional male singles match.

Molly Holly's first televised WWE match was a Women's Title match against Jackie on a 1998 episode of Sunday Night Heat. She wrestled under the name Starla Saxton

The World Tag Team titles have changed hands more times than any other WWF/E title in history.

Chris Benoit's title victory at WrestleMania XX was the first time a title was won by submission in the main event at a WrestleMania.

Kurt Angle vs. Brock Lesnar at WrestleMania XIX was the first main event at WrestleMania to feature two wrestlers using their real names.

Christian is the only wrestler to win gold in 3 consecutive Wrestlemania's. (2000, X-Seven, X-8)

Vader was on the cover of the first ever RAW magazine.

Owen Hart left Wrestlemania 3 times with 3 different partners as a tag champion.

Big Show has lost every WrestleMania he's ever been in.

Currently, Lex Luger is the only man to win a Royal Rumble and not eventually win the WWE Title when the winner of the Royal Rumble would automatically get a title shot at WrestleMania.

Chris Jericho, Christian, Jeff Hardy and Kurt Angle are the only people to hold 5 separate titles. (note: The titles of Raw and Smackdown do not count as separate titles. ex. The US title and the IC title are not separate).

Rene Dupree is the youngest champion in the WWE. Won the tag titles at age 19.

The Intercontinental Championship has changed hands 12 times in 2001, the most times ever in recorded history. That averages to once per month. Here is the list:

Chris Benoit-Chris Jericho
Chris Jericho-HHH
HHH-Jeff Hardy
Jeff Hardy-HHH
HHH-Kane
Kane-Albert
Albert-Lance Storm
Lance Storm-Edge
Edge-Christian
Christian-Edge
Edge-Test
Test-Edge


The WWE Championship has changed hands 11 times in 1999, the most times ever in recorded history. Here is the list:

Mankind-The Rock
The Rock-Mankind
Mankind-The Rock
The Rock-Stone Cold
Stone Cold-Undertaker
Undertaker-Stone Cold
Stone Cold-Mankind
Mankind-HHH
HHH-Vince McMahon
Vince McMahon-HHH
HHH-Big Show


Rey Mysterio was an extra in Freddy vs Jason.

Eddie Guerrero in the only Smackdown Triple Crown Champion, winning the Smackdown tag team title, US title and WWE title since the brand extension.

The music used for the promo for the Undertaker/Flair match at WrestleMania-X8 is now used for Rene Dupree.

The rumor that Bret Hart defended his IC belt against the Mountie with a 103 degree fever so he wouldn't disappoint his fans is debated whether it is true or not. Bret was in the middle of a contract negotiation, so the title was taken off of him. When he resigned, the excuse of having a fever was given so he would appear sympathetic.

Nobody that has entered the Royal Rumble at #30 has ever won it.

Number #27 has won more Rumble matches than anyone else.

Shelton Benjamin coached Brock Lesnar at a point during his college amateur wrestling days.

The Dudley Boys have never participated in the Royal Rumble. Neither has Razor Ramon (Scott Hall).

Al Snow's mannequin head, was the model for Mankind's Mask.

The Rock won the WWE Title 15 years to the day that his father and Tony Atlas won the WWE Tag Titles.

Andre the Giant once fell asleep during a match with Big John Studd.

J.B.L. played his last two college games with a broken leg.

Paul Bearer, before getting into the wrestling business, actually worked at a morgue.

Hardcore Holly is a former NASCAR driver and welder.

At WrestleMania XIV, The Rock used the phrase "if you smell what The Rock is cooking" for the first time.

Lita has the word 'PUNK' tattooed on the inside of her lower lip.

The longest title reign in WWE history belongs to the Fabulous Moolah, whose reign as the first Women's Champion lasted from September 18, 1956 to July 23, 1984 (27 years, 10 months, 5 days).

Bret Hart won the last non-televised King Of The Ring in September 1991. He pinned I.R.S in the final round and is the only man ever to win consecutive King Of The Ring crowns.

The Ultimate Warrior was not scheduled to win the IC title from the Honky Tonk Man. He was a replacement for "The Natural" Butch Reed who was supposed to win the title.

Jonathan Coachman is the all-time basketball scoring leader at McPherson College in Kansas.

Victoria once performed as a cheerleader at the Pro Bowl in Hawaii.

HHH made his debut in wrestling by beating future DX running mate Road Dogg.

Val Venis used to race motocross before joining the WWE.

The Rock is a skilled light tackle salt water fisherman.

The knee brace Stone Cold Steve Austin wore, is the result of an injury two years ago when he got his knee caught in the turnbuckle.

Dynamite Kid, in 1988, beat up both Rougeau brothers but was later jumped by them (including Jacque wearing brass knuckles). They beat him badly and, in his opinion, would've killed him had Bad News Brown not ran them off. Vince later got the Rougeau's to pay for the damage but warned Dynamite not to retaliate because the Rougeau's had connections with Montreal criminal organizations. (From Dynamite Kid's book)

Bret Hart and The Undertaker are tied with appearing in more wrestling matches at WrestleMania than anyone else with thirteen.

Chris Jericho named his son after Ash from the Evil Dead series.

Hulk Hogan has had more title matches at WrestleMania than any other wrestler in WWF/E history.

Most WrestleMania matches by a tag team is the Hart Foundation with six.

There have been more WrestleMania's on April 2nd than any other day (3).

The earliest WrestleMania was on March 14.

Shawn Michaels and Marty Jannetty won the WWF tag team title from Bret Hart and Jim Neidhart in October of 1990 at a taping for Saturday Night's Main Event. Neidhart had been fired and was filling contractual obligations, which including jobbing the tag titles to another team. In what should have been a minor point, the top rope broke at one point during the match. The Rockers defended the titles for a week after that, but then Neidhart was re-hired by the WWF, and Vince McMahon decided that the title change never actually happened, in one of the goofier decisions of the 90s, and one of many to affect the careers of Shawn and Bret. As an explanation, a story was sent to Pro Wrestling Illustrated about the rope break causing an "unfair working environment" for both teams, and hence the title reign was annulled. This was simply to cover up for the fact that they reported the title change as fact a week prior and needed a reason to no longer report it as such. The title change was edited out of the Main Event broadcast, and thus went down in history that the Rockers never had the belt.

The original idea for WWE Smackdown! was for an all women wrestling show.

Eddie Guerrero's father, Gori Guerrero, invented the camel clutch.

Dawn Marie made her professional debut in 1995 as the manager of Tony Atlas.

The Crippler Crossface was invented by Dean Malenko, not by Chris Benoit

The British Bulldog lost his European, Tag Team and IC titles to Shawn Michaels in three different matches.

Chris Benoit broke the record for shortest match at a Summerslam when he defeated Orlando Jordan at Summerslam 2005 at 25.5 seconds. The previous record was in 1988 when the Ultimate Warrior defeated the Honky Tonk Man to win the IC title,

Triple H has never won a match at any Survivor Series PPV.


I saw this over at the BYWL boards. These are some pretty interesting facts.

[Hunter Rider]

Well that was in NY, very famous for being a SMARK crowd these days.

But yeah, at the time everyone knew Rock was leaving and they went for the new monster, Brock Lesnar over the Rock.

100% True,Fans wern't happy with The Rocks lack of commitment to wrestling and the NY crowd are always tough to win

The thing i always maintain though is The Rock was 100 times the talent Cena is so i could tolerate his schtick getting old until he changed it

[Keyser Soze]

I respect The Rock far more than I will ever respect Cena. The Rock was a superior wrestler, not necessarily because he has more talent (which he does) but because, above all else, The Rock excelled at making his opponent look good. Hell, when he wrestled Val Venis on Smackdown, thanks to The Rock you could perfectly buy Venis as a top heel who had a chance of winning the World Title.

On the other hand, Cena is a guy who needs to be carried. Plus, he has a remarkable talent for making good wrestlers look bad when facing him. And that's just about the worst quality a wrestler can have.

And on a side-note, I hate how some fans treat The Rock. I feel sorry for wrestlers. If they go out on a high, like The Rock, and move onto a successful career in film, they are called sell-outs. But on the other hand, if wrestlers stick with wrestling until they are old and beaten down, all we get is complaints about how they should hurry up and retire.

Is that how selfish we are? We want these guys to entertain us until they are too broken-down to do anything else with their lives, then we reject them? Pathetic. I have nothing but good wishes for The Rock. I'm grateful for the entertainment he provided as a wrestler, and I always make sure to check out his movies as a result.

[3dman27]

smackdown was originally intended as an ALL WOMENS MATCH SHOW?
now that i'dve loved to see

[GLfan]

His schtick also got stale. Weren't they cheering for Lesner over Rock in their championship match?
Imho, it wasn't that his schtick that got stale, it was him being conceited that turned people off. I believe it was after his match against Lesnar where the Rock turned heel.

[The Ghoul]

Al Snow's mannequin head, was the model for Mankind's Mask.

This actualy false. The model for the Mankind mask was where he got the idea after Mick was joking & pretended it was his girlfriend. But Head was found at the ECW arena, because not only is it a bingo hall, but's also the place the city builds floats for parades & he found it a pile of scrap & old floats.



& Rock turned heel for his match with Hogan because Vince wanted Hogan to be cheered. But to no one's surprise they both were heavily cheered.