Wrestling

[Hunter Rider]

Source: Wrestling Observer Newsletter



Chris Benoit has been talking to people, including Jamie Noble, about prospects of being able to make a living in wrestling outside of WWE. WWE is going to be doing everything the can to keep Benoit when contract expiration time comes around, and most within management look at him as someone who will be with the company for life.

[Hunter Rider]

Source: PWInsider.com



A sales rep from a cable company said that they have received a poster for WWE New Years Revolution. It features John Cena, with the WWE Championship in hand, standing in front of an Elimination Chamber.

[Hunter Rider]

The Ultimate Warrior was not scheduled to win the IC title from the Honky Tonk Man. He was a replacement for "The Natural" Butch Reed who was supposed to win the title.
Im pretty sure that is incorrect,Beefcake was supposed to have the shot but they did an angle on SNME that had Outlaw Ron Bass cutting him open with a spur(presumably he had a real injury)so he was unable to wrestle and Warrior took his place

[NDX]

100% True,Fans wern't happy with The Rocks lack of commitment to wrestling and the NY crowd are always tough to win
Yeah, we know what we want, and when we don't get it we tend to let others know. It's with all forms of entertainment. You better be on the mark or don't even bother showing up.

Not the best mentallity.

[Twitch]

Source: PWInsider.com



A sales rep from a cable company said that they have received a poster for WWE New Years Revolution. It features John Cena, with the WWE Championship in hand, standing in front of an Elimination Chamber.

The will be the demise of the WWE if they do that. :down Putting Cena in with his gimmick and winning that will be so awful. It should be HHH, RVD, HBK, Angle, and Shelton who can convince us that they gave us their blood, sweat, and tears to win the title. Cena will be like 5 Shuffle Worm **** and he wins. If they do that, I am now a TNA mark :down

[Hunter Rider]

The will be the demise of the WWE if they do that. :down Putting Cena in with his gimmick and winning that will be so awful. It should be HHH, RVD, HBK, Angle, and Shelton who can convince us that they gave us their blood, sweat, and tears to win the title. Cena will be like 5 Shuffle Worm **** and he wins. If they do that, I am now a TNA mark :down

agreed,at this rate Cena is gonna drop the belt in the chamber to HHH and then win it back at WM22 1 on 1 with HHH in another fine display of carrying a mediocre worker like he did last year..............*Snores*

[Twitch]

agreed,at this rate Cena is gonna drop the belt in the chamber to HHH and then win it back at WM22 1 on 1 with HHH in another fine display of carrying a mediocre worker like he did last year..............*Snores*

I agree, Cena should go back to mid-card and turn heel then build himself back up slowly. Here's my proposed match for WM22:

HHH vs. Angle vs. Edge

With either HHH retaining or Angle wining. The reason I put Edge in is that gives us an excuse for Money In The Bank 2(RVD and Shelton highlighting) That way we have Angle vs HHH that will carry us to SummerSlam where hopefully RVD wins the title. I can dream :(

[Hunter Rider]

I agree, Cena should go back to mid-card and turn heel then build himself back up slowly. Here's my proposed match for WM22:

HHH vs. Angle vs. Edge

With either HHH retaining or Angle wining. The reason I put Edge in is that gives us an excuse for Money In The Bank 2(RVD and Shelton highlighting) That way we have Angle vs HHH that will carry us to SummerSlam where hopefully RVD wins the title. I can dream :(

My dream WM22 card

WWE title-HBK vs RVD
World Title-Orton vs Benoit
Street fight-HHH vs Cena
2 out of 3 falls-Shelton vs Angle
Inter-promotional #1-Edge vs Taker
Inter-promotional #2-Batista vs Big Show
Ic title match-Carlito vs Helms vs Tajiri
Us title Ladder match-Rey vs Kennedy vs Matt Hardy vs Paul London
Lashley vs JBL

[Eklypze]

as much as id like to see RVD win the title i just dont see it happening i love RVD hes one of my favorite wrestlers but i just dont see WWE giving him a big enuff push or the credit that he deserves

[Twitch]

My dream WM22 card

WWE title-HBK vs RVD
World Title-Orton vs Benoit
Street fight-HHH vs Cena
2 out of 3 falls-Shelton vs Angle
Inter-promotional #1-Edge vs Taker
Inter-promotional #2-Batista vs Big Show
Ic title match-Carlito vs Helms vs Tajiri
Us title Ladder match-Rey vs Kennedy vs Matt Hardy vs Paul London
Lashley vs JBL

Nice Card :up:

A HBK-RVD ladder match will be the greatest ME ever. Period. :o :up:

[Hunter Rider]

Nice Card :up:

A HBK-RVD ladder match will be the greatest ME ever. Period. :o :up:

It would rock:up:

Now what WM 22 will look like

WWE title-Cena vs HHH vs Edge
World title-Batista vs Orton
Inter-promotional #1-HBK vs JBL
Inter-promotional #2-Taker vs Big Show
IC title-RVD vs Masters vs Carlito
US title-Lashley vs Kennedy vs Booker T
Angle vs Shelton
WWE tag title-Matt Hardy and Rey vs MNM

[Twitch]

It would rock:up:

Now what WM 22 will look like

WWE title-Cena vs HHH vs Edge
World title-Batista vs Orton
Inter-promotional #1-HBK vs JBL
Inter-promotional #2-Taker vs Big Show
IC title-RVD vs Masters vs Carlito
US title-Lashley vs Kennedy vs Booker T
Angle vs Shelton
WWE tag title-Matt Hardy and Rey vs MNM

Drop Masters and put in Chavo. Taker and Show......I'll get back to you on that one :o

[Hunter Rider]

Drop Masters and put in Chavo. Taker and Show......I'll get back to you on that one :o

Only matches i want to see from that cluster **** of a card is Angle/Shelton and the tag match:(

[Twitch]

Only matches i want to see from that cluster **** of a card is Angle/Shelton and the tag match:(

Taker and Show-WTF :confused:

Rey and RVD should get seroius pushes. Rey's Title Run would be filled with cool and meaningful matches. I mean imagine Rey vs. Show:up:

[Hunter Rider]

Taker and Show-WTF :confused:

Rey and RVD should get seroius pushes. Rey's Title Run would be filled with cool and meaningful matches. I mean imagine Rey vs. Show:up:

I dont want Taker vs Show but he always seems to be in the inter promotional match and Show seemd the only choice
I actually liked the Ghouls idea of Taker going heel and crucifying HBK for his beliefs

Rey i think is gonna do a tag run with Matt,if they wrestled MNM in a ladder match at WM22 it would be cool

[Sabretooth]

yeah,but can imagine how much controversy would be filled with taker vs. HBK? I'd love to see it but I'd be suprised if Michaels actually went through with it.

[Hunter Rider]

yeah,but can imagine how much controversy would be filled with taker vs. HBK? I'd love to see it but I'd be suprised if Michaels actually went through with it.

I dunno they both must be bored of what they are doing right now so at least it would be something fresh for them both

[Hunter Rider]

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[Sabretooth]

I dunno they both must be bored of what they are doing right now so at least it would be something fresh for them both
True,and like I said earlier,they seem to be two sides of the same coin.Shawn is like the light side and is a born again Christian,while the Undertaker is like a dark side of Shawn and is also a dark sorcerer.

Besides that,they haven't feuded in nearly 7 years,and they need another one for old time's sake.:o

[Hunter Rider]

True,and like I said earlier,they seem to be two sides of the same coin.Shawn is like the light side and is a born again Christian,while the Undertaker is like a dark side of Shawn and is also a dark sorcerer.

Besides that,they haven't feuded in nearly 7 years,and they need another one for old time's sake.:o

yeah and after HBK's last 2 crappy feuds with Hogan and Masters he needs something to really get his teeth into,the only problem would be who would do the job

[Sabretooth]

I think a feud with heel Cena could be great and definitely help Cena out.probably would be better than this stupid feud with Angle :down

[Hunter Rider]

I think a feud with heel Cena could be great and definitely help Cena out.probably would be better than this stupid feud with Angle :down

Well i get the feeling WWE don't want to turn Cena heel,they think if they force him on us long enough we will all give in and like him:confused:

[Sabretooth]

They'll eventually learn. They thought forcing Orton on us would work,but he soon turned heel.It's only a matter of time.

[Hunter Rider]

They'll eventually learn. They thought forcing Orton on us would work,but he soon turned heel.It's only a matter of time.

The thing with Orton is if they had done the slow burn turn i think he would have been fine as a face but they took all his edge away and turned him in a 24 hour period:rolleyes:

[Sabretooth]

The thing with Orton is if they had done the slow burn turn i think he would have been fine as a face but they took all his edge away and turned him in a 24 hour period:rolleyes:
They did it with Cena too.After he got over as a heel they automatcally made him stop rapping and took away what made him cool.

[Hunter Rider]

They did it with Cena too.After he got over as a heel they automatcally made him stop rapping and took away what made him cool.
They also made him change his style,his first match debut with Kurt was much better than any match he has had since he started doing all those stupid spots like the 5 knuckle shuffle and trying to work as a brawler

[Sabretooth]

They also made him change his style,his first match debut with Kurt was much better than any match he has had since he started doing all those stupid spots like the 5 knuckle shuffle and trying to work as a brawler
Yeah,and Vince isn't gonna give up on Cena because he wants him to be a top face,rapper,and movie star.But,it'll blow up in their faces,no doubt.

[Hunter Rider]

Yeah,and Vince isn't gonna give up on Cena because he wants him to be a top face,rapper,and movie star.But,it'll blow up in their faces,no doubt.
Yep,you can't force the crowd to like a wrestler,it was proven with Lex Luger in 94 when Vince wanted a new Hogan/all american hero type to be top and the fans wanted Bret

[Sabretooth]

ANd hopefully,the fans'll want Shelton.:(

[Hunter Rider]

ANd hopefully,the fans'll want Shelton.:(

I agree:up: although wwe are killing his move set:( :down

[Sabretooth]

I agree:up: although wwe are killing his move set:( :down
He seems to be getting a push though.His last few matches with Angle were outstanding.

[Hunter Rider]

He seems to be getting a push though.His last few matches with Angle were outstanding.

They were a good start but where have all those cool spring board spots gone:(

Hopefully when Angle loses to Cena(:down ) this Sunday his next feud will be with Shelton in a sort of Mentor vs Student storyline

[Sabretooth]

They were a good start but where have all those cool spring board spots gone:(

Hopefully when Angle loses to Cena(:down ) this Sunday his next feud will be with Shelton in a sort of Mentor vs Student storyline
If Haas was still in WWE I would have him feud with Shelton and have Angle mentor Haas and HBK mentor SHelton,to sorta overlap feuds.

[Hunter Rider]

If Haas was still in WWE I would have him feud with Shelton and have Angle mentor Haas and HBK mentor SHelton,to sorta overlap feuds.

that would be cool,it was a moronic decision to fire Haas:mad:

[Sabretooth]

that would be cool,it was a moronic decision to fire Haas:mad:
Since Jackie Gayda went to TNA,you'd think he would too...

[NDX]

Out of all the firings WWE commited earlier this year, the one that really caught me off guard was Charlie Hass's. I thought he had a lot of potential.

But apparently he had no character. I'm sorry, but Benjamin hasn't proven to me yet that he has more character than Hass had.

And tonight I thought the Booker T match was the best match he had in the WWE. Reminded me of being the former 5 Time WCW Heavyweight Champion again. Maybe this best of 7 series will boost Booker's morale and in ring performance.

[Colossal Spoons]

Boogeyman and Mr. Kennedy were on fire tonight.

Also, I'm tired of seeing Batista getting laid out like this. :down:

[The Ghoul]

yeah and after HBK's last 2 crappy feuds with Hogan and Masters he needs something to really get his teeth into,the only problem would be who would do the job

Honestly, I don't care. I was watching the Undertaker dvd (which is good but I have reservations about them not doing it the regular documentary style I really would have loved interiews with Kane & Pearcy... anyway) & I remebered how much I loved their ground zero street fight.

[Ocelot]

Damn almost 500 pages on this. You guys know this is fake right? There really is no "feuds"?

[punishermax]

Damn almost 500 pages on this. You guys know this is fake right? There really is no "feuds"?

Damn. A troll. Go away.

[White_Howling]

Boogeyman and Mr. Kennedy were on fire tonight.

Also, I'm tired of seeing Batista getting laid out like this. :down:

every time batista comes out he here the cole saying "the heart of a champion he never backs down."

im getting sick of it...

so why does wwe hold back wrestlers from doing their moves any way?

[3dman27]

inthink they started doing that for two reasons
one to prvent thier performers fom serious injury
two so they wouldn't be liable for the aforementioned injury

[Hunter Rider]

Boogeyman and Mr. Kennedy were on fire tonight.

Also, I'm tired of seeing Batista getting laid out like this. :down:

By on fire i guess you mean they were talking ?

The reason Batista is getting Laid out is to set up his injury angle as WWE want it to look like it took more than one chokeslam on a car to hurt Batista and lets face it we have had months of him laying everyone else out with his 2 moves

[Hunter Rider]

inthink they started doing that for two reasons
one to prvent thier performers fom serious injury
two so they wouldn't be liable for the aforementioned injury

That is true to a point but it doesn't explain the fact hardly any wrestlers have a move set in WWE now or why they wrestle so slow....I mean the other week when Rey fought Randy i was bored of the amount of dull rest spots they did for 2 guys with such talent,i guess Vince wants to weed out moves all together except for knife edge chops

The big problem is so many of them are on the gas,look at Edge and Batista's injuries,they wern't caused from an insane spot they were caused because of the un-natural way their muscles were developed

[Hunter Rider]

Honestly, I don't care. I was watching the Undertaker dvd (which is good but I have reservations about them not doing it the regular documentary style I really would have loved interiews with Kane & Pearcy... anyway) & I remebered how much I loved their ground zero street fight.
I'm also not bothered who would win although i like Takers undefeated streak and think if he loses it,it should be to an up and comer not a legend but then again if they worked the story the way we were suggesting HBK not winning would be a downer.......the big problem though would be the 2 wrestlers themselves agreeing on a result

[Hunter Rider]

A special one hour edition of Smackdown will be airing next Tuesday on UPN at 9:00 P.M. The big match being advertised is Big Show vs. Rey Mysterio. This special Smackdown episode will be airing live from Cincinnati, Ohio. WWE also has to tape another episode of Smackdown for next Friday as well, presumably before 9:00. No details have been revealed yet as to why WWE is having a special one hour show in the first place and why the main event match is between a Raw wrestler and a Smackdown wrestler.

Kid Kash recently had to close down his official website as WWE officials were none to fond of him ripping on Chris Masters' wrestling abilities and saying he had a million dollar body & a 10 cent brain and whatnot. WWE also doesn't like their wrestlers having official websites in the first place. Kash's excuse was that when he made those comments on Masters, he was talking "in character" and he didn't really mean it. It should be noted that in the same audio commentary, he ripped into TNA with shoot-style comments.

Vito has some heat with newcomer Bobby Lashley for reasons undisclosed. He's been insulting and bickering with Lashley a lot lately. Perhaps it may be resentment on Vito's part for the push Lashley has been receiving as of late whereas Vito is pretty much just a bodyguard on television.

[The Ghoul]

Damn almost 500 pages on this. You guys know this is fake right? There really is no "feuds"?

If you actually read this thread, you'd see no one was talking about it as if it was reality. So you just made yourself look like a prick, prick.

[Twitch]

If my DVD doesn't show up on Monday, **** WWE shop :down

[The Ghoul]

what did you get

[Twitch]

what did you get

The Rise and Fall of ECW, would be a perfect combo with my RVD DVD. Then after that I'm getting Hart's DVD :up:

[Eklypze]

what all matches are on the rise and fall of ecw ive been thinking about getting it that and one night stand

[Hunter Rider]

what all matches are on the rise and fall of ecw ive been thinking about getting it that and one night stand

Follow the rise and fall of Extreme Championship Wrestling on this special Double DVD release!
E-C-W! E-C-W! E-C-W!" - a chant heard in arenas around the world.

ECW: Extreme Championship Wrestling redefined professional wrestling in the '90s with a reckless, brutal, death-defying, and often bloody style that came to be known as "hardcore." It attracted a rabid, cult-like following that is still going strong today.

This 6-hour, 2-disc set follows the rise and eventual demise of the company that raised the bar and revolutionized sports-entertainment forever.
Chapters

Early ECW
The Public Enemy
Taz
Sabu
Terry Funk
The Night The Line Was Crossed
Paul Heyman vs. WCW
Tommy Dreamer
The Sandman
Sandman-Dreamer Feud
ECW Evolution
Cactus Jack
Mikey Whipwreck
The Extreme Begins
Philadelphia
Technical Wrestlers
Production Value
The Fans
Raven/Dreamer
Sabu Gets fired
Taz breaks his neck
The Monday Night War
Lucha Libre
Steve Austin Comes to ECW
Promos
Cactus Jack Leaves ECW
Taz returns
Sandman/Raven
The bWo
Beulah & Dreamer
ECW & WWE
The Crucifixion
The importance of PPV
ECW loses the PPV
The PPV is back on
WWE Co-promotion
Barely Legal: Lance Storm vs. RVD
Barely Legal: Taz vs. Sabu
Barely Legal: The Main Event
Raven goes to WCW and Jerry Lawler invades ECW
A Locker Room mole?
The Superstars' Roles (a discussion of everyone's out of the ring responsibilities)
Paul Heyman's creativity
WCW & WWE's ECW Imitation
Taz & the FTW Title
The Dudleys: the most hated tag team
Financial Woes
The TNN Deal & Taz Leaves
The Dudleys Leave ECW
Disappointment with TNN / RVD - the whole F'n show
Mike Awesome controversy & Tommy Dreamer wins the title
The Demise of ECW
Paul Heyman debuts on RawDVD Extras:
Seven bonus matches, including:

The Pit Bulls vs. Raven & Stevie Richards
2 out of 3 Falls Dog Collar Match for ECW World Tag Team Championship
Gangsta's Paradise - Philadelphia, PA (09-16-95)
Rey Mysterio Jr. vs. Psichosis
2 out of 3 Falls
Hardcore TV - Philadelphia, PA(10-17-95)
Mikey Whipwreck vs. The Sandman
Ladder Match for ECW Championship
Hardcore TV - Philadelphia, PA(10-28-95)
2 Cold Scorpio vs. Sabu
ECW World Television Championship Match
CyberSlam - Philadelphia, PA(02-17-96)
Tommy Dreamer vs. Raven
WrestlePalooza - Philadelphia, PA(06-06-)97
(Alternate Commentary)
Tazz vs. Bam Bam Bigelow
ECW World Television Championship Match
Living Dangerously - Asbury Park, NY(03-01-98)
(Alternate Commentary)
Rob Van Dam vs. Jerry Lynn
ECW World Television Championship Match
Hardcore Heaven - Poughkeepsie, NY(05-16-99)
(Alternate Commentary)
Steven Richards Apologizes for Leaving ECW
Tazz Seeks Paul Heyman's Blessing
Paul Heyman: Travel AgentEaster Eggs on the DVD include:

ECW Pulp Fiction Promo Montage
On Disc One, Go to Chapters. Highlight "Promos" and click left several times. A classic ECW "Pulp Fiction" promo montage featuring Stevie Richards, Mick Foley, The Public Enemy, Taz, Bill Alfonso, and many more will play.
The Public Enemy Train Mikey Whipwreck
On Disc Two, Go to Extras. Highlight the Mikey Whipwreck vs. Sandman listing, and click right. The vignette will then play.
Taz vs. Bam Bam Bigelow feud history
On Disc Two, Go to Extras. Highlight the Taz vs. Bam Bam Bigelow listing, and click left twice. The video feature will then play.
Rob Van Dam shows Michael Cole his scar
On Disc Two, Go to Extras. Highlight the Rob Van Dam vs. Jerry Lynn listing and click right. The clip will then play.

[Twitch]

what all matches are on the rise and fall of ecw ive been thinking about getting it that and one night stand

I wouldn't touch ONS unless you really want it. I heard they cut out alot of stuff that took away from the original product.

[Sabretooth]

They censored the hell out of it.

[Hunter Rider]

They censored the hell out of it.

did they leave the flaming tables and Sandman's proper entrance theme in ?

[Hunter Rider]

Source: WrestlingObserver.com

-- Most backstage are of the impression that Triple H will be winning his match with Ric Flair.

-- Although many are looking forward to Chris Benoit vs. Booker T as one of the better matches on the card, the best of seven series prevents its outcome from having too much storyline impact.

-- The general reaction to the RAW vs. SmackDown! storyline has been very negative, with little of value coming from the booking.

-- Had John Cena retained his popularity through the duration of 2005, there would be no question as to the outcome of his match with Kurt Angle: Cena was scheduled to carry the belt through 2006. But, the fact that he has lost support always casts a shadow of doubt over the outcome (although that doubt proved unnecessary last month). Kurt Angle has been pushing to win the championship, as he believes there is more money in having Cena chase the title, but it remains to be seen if WWE will buy into that philosophy.

[Jason Blood]

does this mean HHH will get the IC title

I'd squeal like a pig if he won the belt

It would mean that he's finally going to make that belt count (okay Flair did that) and it would truly be a symbol that we should be thanking god he hasn't been in the main event for a looong time

[Hunter Rider]

Probably just means he has his eye on holding both the IC and the WWE title at the same time

[Gameruler]

Who hear thinks the Boogeyman and The ***** aren't going to last very long. Boogeyman isn't even scary. He was spookier in his commercials.

The *****...Just plain idiotic crap. The Heart Throbs aren't even that stupid and thats saying a lot.

[Gameruler]

I wouldn't touch ONS unless you really want it. I heard they cut out alot of stuff that took away from the original product.
I'm naughty and taped it the Sunday night it was on. Lovely flaming tables, F word all over the place. Even Spike TV that night on Heat had the F word going on. So I'm pretty sure I have the uncensored, uncut, unedited (all same meaning) ECW: One Night Stand!

[The Ghoul]

I'm naughty and taped it the Sunday night it was on.

So did I, but even the live version was censored... except at the end when Sandman screams "E-C- ****in'-W"

[TheVileOne]

does this mean HHH will get the IC title

I'd squeal like a pig if he won the belt

It would mean that he's finally going to make that belt count (okay Flair did that) and it would truly be a symbol that we should be thanking god he hasn't been in the main event for a looong time

Wrong, the last 2 times HHH held the belt it was pretty lame. He beat Jericho for it when Jericho was a GREAT IC champion. And then that whole lame ass business with Jeff Hardy.

[The Ghoul]

But during his run in 98 when D-generation X was in it's prime he was one of the greatest IC champs of all time.

[TheVileOne]

Hardly. He won it in a screwy victory over the Rock at Summerslam 1998. He defended it once in a short match against Owen Hart on RAW. He was injured and was stripped of the title a few weeks later. Not exactly what I'd described as "one of the greatest IC champs of all time." Not even close.

[The Ghoul]

My memory may be shot, but didn't he have a really long & thurough fued wuth Rock. I remember as a kid (I was 11 at that time) thinking the IC belt was in some cases better than the WWF title & I felt HHH was the reason for that (I, unlike many on the board, am a HHH fan)

[TheVileOne]

They had a long feud in 1998, and it ended with HHH winning the IC title and being stripped of it shortly thereafter.

As far as IC champions go, I doubt HHH even ranks in the top 25.

[Twitch]

did they leave the flaming tables and Sandman's proper entrance theme in ?

They replaced Sandman's theme I know that :down

[Hunter Rider]

A commercial just aired during iMPACT! in my area of Albany. NY which stated that The Elimination Chamber would return at New Years Revolution in Albany, New York. They listed the following participants which of course could change: Kane, The Big Show, Carlito, Triple H, and John Cena. Tickets were also announced as going on sale Saturday, December 3rd.


god it gets worse:(

[Twitch]

god it gets worse:(

Besides HHH that is the worst group of superstars to put in the Chamber. Carlito WTF? :confused: :down

[Sarge 2.0]

god it gets worse:(That group makes little to no sense...were they high when they booked the match? :confused:

[Hunter Rider]

the only thing i can think of is they figured if they put the correct 6 in (HHH,Cena,HBK,Shelton and Angle plus #6) there would be nop other matches on the card ppl would want to see....but i second the WTF on Calrito,the guy is NOT a main eventer and never will be

[Lobo]

that EC match makes me want to cry :(

[NDX]

Goddamn I need to go to more independent shows. Might have been the best overall show I have ever seen. And lose some weight. Taking apart a ring is tough work at 1 AM.

Now... what am I going to do with a pizza cutter covered in New Jack's blood?

[Sabretooth]

ALot of people like Carlito,and I just don't. His mic work is annoying and he says the same thing everytime and I wish they'd depush him.

[Gameruler]

I hate Carlito too.

But I must say I like Carlito a whole lot better than the Boogeyman.

[Hunter Rider]

The deal with Carlito is that he is a product of the new regime in which talent is secondary to having a strong character gimmick
In the end it won't add up as at 220 lbs you better be as good as guys like Daniels,HBK,Eddie and AJ and Carlito isnt even good enough to lace their boots

Is anyone else feeling that they are wasting Kennedy ? the guy's matches are all about him bumping,he has no offense

[Gameruler]

I actually like Kennedy. I don't know why. I think it's his arrogance. When he introduces himself I copy him. :p

But they need to do more with him. I want to see a showdown with Kennedy vs. Tony Chimel. If that doesn't happen then WWE should just drop the whole introducing thing.

[Hunter Rider]

I actually like Kennedy. I don't know why. I think it's his arrogance. When he introduces himself I copy him. :p

But they need to do more with him. I want to see a showdown with Kennedy vs. Tony Chimel. If that doesn't happen then WWE should just drop the whole introducing thing.

Don't get me wrong i like Kennedy as well he just needs longer matches with someone selling for him instead of him doing all the selling

[The Ghoul]

I love him, I think after the best of 7 he should go for the U.S title

[Gameruler]

Don't get me started on the best of 7. Teddy Long has to get a better idea then using the same one over and over again. It's the best of 5 series plus 2.

[Hunter Rider]

They should do it the way ROH did the Homocide/Danielson best of 5 with each match having a stip

[Gameruler]

That would be cool. More to it then just 7 matches. Very good idea!

[NDX]

I'm just bored with WWE rehashing old WCW storylines again.

[3dman27]

the only thing i can think of is they figured if they put the correct 6 in (HHH,Cena,HBK,Shelton and Angle plus #6) there would be nop other matches on the card ppl would want to see....but i second the WTF on Calrito,the guy is NOT a main eventer and never will beit could've been worse the lineup COULD'VE been
torrie wilson
victoria
lita
trish
mickie james
lilian garcia

[The Ghoul]

it could've been worse the lineup COULD'VE been
torrie wilson
victoria
lita
trish
mickie james
lilian garcia

At least that would be new & different.

[Eklypze]

ive been wandering about this for a while now but who are some guys that you were all very disappointed didnt make a more permanent transition from wcw or ecw to wwe? mine personally besides Sting would be Mikey Whipwreck Buff Bagwell and Jerry Lynn

[The Ghoul]

Sean O' hare, Evan Karagious, New Jack, Sting, Sabu, Krobar(although he is now in a new very weird, interesting tag team in TNA) & Daffney.

[Hunter Rider]

Tonight at Survivor Series is a huge planned invasion by one former major WWE superstar during the inter-brand "RAW vs. SmackDown!" team match format.

It will be the RAW/SD! team match where this legendary star makes his very unexpected return to the company.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm

[Eklypze]

yeah i wander who that could be?

[Sabretooth]

I know this is a huge stretch but.....


Bret Hart maybe?

[The Ghoul]

Mick Foley

[Hunter Rider]

legendary star makes his very unexpected return

Im thinking RVD or perhaps Lesnar

[Sabretooth]

Lesnar is hardly legendary,and RVD said he won't be coming back until at least January

[The Ghoul]

rumors are floating about austin

[Doc Luis]

Undertaker

[Sabretooth]

I heard there were tons of ''Cena sucks'' chants during his match with Kurt

[Eric Draven]

heh....The Boogeyman interfered in the Long/Bischoff match.

[Sabretooth]

I heard the match was awful. Still,I'd love to have seen Boogeyman interfere :D WHat'd he do?

[Eric Draven]

Who cares? It's the damn Boogeyman, and he's comin' to getcha! :mad:

[Sabretooth]

I hope they don't start putting him in matches. He's one of the few who is great on the mic alone. Having him wrestle would kinda cheapen it IMO.

[Eric Draven]

I wouldn't mind seeing him in a feud with Mr. Kennedy only because the reactions Kennedy would make seeing the Boogeyman would be funny as hell.

I just honestly hope they don't have the Boogeyman feud with the Undertaker. Boogeyman is just a nutcase, not one of those supernatural guys that always seems to gravitate towards UT.

[Sabretooth]

I wouldn't mind seeing him in a feud with Mr. Kennedy only because the reactions Kennedy would make seeing the Boogeyman would be funny as hell.

I just honestly hope they don't have the Boogeyman feud with the Undertaker. Boogeyman is just a nutcase, not one of those supernatural guys that always seems to gravitate towards UT.
I think Boogeyman is creepier than UT. Really because he is such a nutcase. UT has been doing the same thing for the past two years where he does promos talking about castles and dragons.He just seems so tame.

Now Boogeyman has his two front teeth missing,bangs clocks over his head on a weekly basis,shows on Raw AND Smackdown,and is just cool as hell. The last thing he needs is to feud with UT.

[The Undertaker]

Beating through burning caskets, now thats cool as hell.

[Eklypze]

man from the looks of it he has more than just his 2 front teeth missing he looked like his front 4 at least were gone but i agree the boogeyman does seem cool as hell what all did he do in the bishoff/long match?? i do hope that he can wrestle though it really sux when you have interesting characters like that and they cant wrestle worth a broke dick

[LastSunrise1981]

I want to send my vomit to Vince, John Cena, and all the bookers of the WWE who decided to job Kurt Angle once again.

I NEVER thought I'd say this again, but please, please Triple H bury Cena and make sure he stays in mid-card Hell for all of eternity.

[Bad Superman]

I want to send my vomit to Vince, John Cena, and all the bookers of the WWE who decided to job Kurt Angle once again.

I NEVER thought I'd say this again, but please, please Triple H bury Cena and make sure he stays in mid-card Hell for all of eternity.

Apparently there was heavy booing for John Cena.

Can someone please tell me why Bishoff and Long had a PPV match???

Thank God I saw this one for free.

[3dman27]

their desparate to shak up ratings

[LastSunrise1981]

Apparently there was heavy booing for John Cena.

Can someone please tell me why Bishoff and Long had a PPV match???

Thank God I saw this one for free.

People are tired of Cena's act and he's just not a good wrestler or a character at the moment. I'm tired of seeing great talent like Angle, HBK, or even Kane job to this hack.

So, at this moment I say let Ego H bury him and hold the title. As much as I hate Triple H, at least I can stand to watch him and believe his victories, where as Angle is made to look very weak and desperate.

[Colossal Spoons]

I think Angle will have another shot at Cena's belt andf he'll win clean this time.

Last night's PPV was ok. The elimination match was pretty good, although I'm tired of Batista getting chokeslammed through objects! He needs to drop that title soon and go fix his back. On a side note, who's ready for another few months of Orton vs. Taker? :down:

[LastSunrise1981]

I think Angle will have another shot at Cena's belt andf he'll win clean this time.

Last night's PPV was ok. The elimination match was pretty good, although I'm tired of Batista getting chokeslammed through objects! He needs to drop that title soon and go fix his back. On a side note, who's ready for another few months of Orton vs. Taker? :down:

Orton vs. Taker again?! How lovely! :o

Both of them could go away and I wouldn't care. :) How many times is the Undertaker going to "die" and then come back? The whole schtick is getting old and it's already stale.

[0neDisturbedSOB]

I agree. The Orton/Taker angle has been going on for damn near a year and it's about run it's course. Since Batista is injured, I'd say let Orton take the belt off him and hold it until WM where there would be the obvious Batista VS Orton match for the world title.

It's odd that Vince sent Batista to Smackdown, and Cena to RAW as a way of sort of "promoting" Cena and building him up as THE champion of the WWE, but Batista's pops are WAY louder than Cena's, and he NEVER gets booed.

At this point, I think Cena needs to drop the title and turn heel. I would love to see Cena drop the title and then turn on the fans with some sort of "you didn't support me" angle.

[Eklypze]

At this point, I think Cena needs to drop the title and turn heel. I would love to see Cena drop the title and then turn on the fans with some sort of "you didn't support me" angle.

man this is the best idea ive heard in a while

[White_Howling]

why was cena getting booed? guess that ruins vince's plans for his new money maker.

[0neDisturbedSOB]

man this is the best idea ive heard in a while

The internet is a tricky tool. I have no idea if you're being sincere, or laying on the sarcasm extra thick for me. Judging by Cena's most recent crowd reactions it seems as if the "chain gang" (dumb ass name BTW) is turning against the champ. I "like" Cena in that I think he has potential, but his character is becoming stale and is in desperate need of a jump start. I think that he should drop the title and then immediately (possibly right after losing it) cut a promo on the fans saying how "they ain't with him" and go back to how he was when he originally came out.

Vince is trying to make Cena too much into a mixture of Austin and The Rock, and it's just not working. He needs to find his own niche and go with it, not just copy off other angles that have been done to death.

[Sarge 2.0]

Beating through burning caskets, now thats cool as hell.I'd agree, but apparently liking 'Taker isn't welcome around these parts. :o

[Go Web Go!]

Silence, you fools! Undertaker is free to do as he chooses! :mad:

...but stop dying. Geez. It was cool the first 2 times. I'd like to see him moved to RAW. Get him off Smackdown and away from Orton. No more. It's like orton's Kane part II

[Sarge 2.0]

Silence, you fools! Undertaker is free to do as he chooses! :mad:

...but stop dying. Geez. It was cool the first 2 times. I'd like to see him moved to RAW. Get him off Smackdown and away from Orton. No more. It's like orton's Kane part IIGood post....hopefully if Taker gets to play with the big boys on Raw he'll get some good feuds again. I liked the Orton/Taker thing, but it's been drawn out much too long.

[Sabretooth]

The only reason for the death thing now is so that he can transform and become more like when he debuted. Notice the full beard now? the tights? Look familiar?

Honestly though,I don't like when characters go in reverse.:(

[Sarge 2.0]

The only reason for the death thing now is so that he can transform and become more like when he debuted. Notice the full beard now? the tights? Look familiar?

Honestly though,I don't like when characters go in reverse.:(Hopefully he keeps some of that Desperado type look from the past couple of years. It's badass.

[Hunter Rider]

What a half assed show,the first three matches were great especially HHH/Flair........then it was down hill,
The WWE title match was a clusterF**k and the ending beyond lame,Long/Eric was the worst thing ever to soil a ring and the Elimination match was to short with a craptastic ending,whith Undertaker doing his silly routine and Orton looking mock scared and you just know the 43 year old is gonna squash Orton in the Cell at Armegeddon:down

On theCena topic i actually feel sorry for him,whilst he is no main eventer he is twice the performer that muscle bound lug Batista is and yet the fans ignore his boring,rest spot filled,3 move garbage fests and cheer and boo the hell out of Cena who at least looks like he has a friggen clue how to work

[Colossal Spoons]

On theCena topic i actually feel sorry for him,whilst he is no main eventer he is twice the performer that muscle bound lug Batista is and yet the fans ignore his boring,rest spot filled,3 move garbage fests and cheer and boo the hell out of Cena who at least looks like he has a friggen clue how to work

Just run over my dog while you're at it lol. Nah, Dave was pretty winded last night which I never really noticed before. I'm a HUGE mark for Dave, so I fall into the category you described.

Sabertoothe, I had when characters regress also but Taker tried to go forward with the Biker thing and that flopped, I'd love to see him go back to his Corporate Ministry days; capr and all. :up:

[Hunter Rider]

Just run over my dog while you're at it lol. Nah, Dave was pretty winded last night which I never really noticed before. I'm a HUGE mark for Dave, so I fall into the category you described.


sorry i know you like him but to me a champ should be able to work flat out and it pisses me off that WWE turned away Samoa Joe and have CM Punk in OVW when both are truly miles ahead of either of WWE's champions
I guess part of my beef is that while i dont care much for Cena i at least think he has some potential where as at 42 Batista is to old to get any better than he is.

[Sarge 2.0]

What a half assed show,the first three matches were great especially HHH/Flair........then it was down hill,
The WWE title match was a clusterF**k and the ending beyond lame,Long/Eric was the worst thing ever to soil a ring and the Elimination match was to short with a craptastic ending,whith Undertaker doing his silly routine and Orton looking mock scared and you just know the 43 year old is gonna squash Orton in the Cell at Armegeddon:down

On theCena topic i actually feel sorry for him,whilst he is no main eventer he is twice the performer that muscle bound lug Batista is and yet the fans ignore his boring,rest spot filled,3 move garbage fests and cheer and boo the hell out of Cena who at least looks like he has a friggen clue how to workDamn, you have a bad day or something hunter?

[Hunter Rider]

Damn, you have a bad day or something hunter?

LOL,no just finished watching and vented without breathing timehttp://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon12.gif
I just really hated the last 3 matches and WWE's current slump isn't getting any better and what was with Vince using the N word ? that was plain ignorant IMO

The only part of the last seconds i liked was the way Orton RKO'd HBK,nice selling and execution,i wish they were doing a legned killer angle together

[The Batman]

The only reason for the death thing now is so that he can transform and become more like when he debuted. Notice the full beard now? the tights? Look familiar?

Honestly though,I don't like when characters go in reverse.:(

The tights with the shirt and the short hair just looks....wrong......

He looks like he slapped some cheap ass clothes together....

[Sarge 2.0]

LOL,no just finised watching and vented without breathing timehttp://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon12.gif
I just really hated the last 3 matches and WWE's current slump isn't getting any better and what was with Vine using the N word ? that was plain ignorant IMO

The only part of the last seconds i liked was the way Orton RKO'd HBK,nice selling and execution,i wish they were doing a legned killer angle togetherThings I liked about Survivor Series:

The Ric Flair/Trips match. :up:

The Elimination Match

Fans booing Cena

Fans chanting for Taker.

Taker's entrance and 'silly routine'. (;))


Things I didn't like:

The Booker T/Benoit match

Angle losing. :down

the Bischoff/Long match

Vince using the N Word.

[The Batman]

Hopefully he keeps some of that Desperado type look from the past couple of years. It's badass.

He's always had the desperado type look. it wasnt till 97' that he dropped it. 94-96 Taker looked badass, with the trenchcoat, fedora, and long ass hair

[Blue Dragoon]

I heard the match was awful. Still,I'd love to have seen Boogeyman interfere :D WHat'd he do?
He power slammed bichoff

[Sarge 2.0]

He's always had the desperado type look. it wasnt till 97' that he dropped it. 94-96 Taker looked badass, with the trenchcoat, fedora, and long ass hairI realise that. But this new Desperado type thing was slightly different, and I liked it.

[Hunter Rider]

Things I liked about Survivor Series:

The Ric Flair/Trips match. :up:

The Elimination Match

Fans booing Cena

Fans chanting for Taker.

Taker's entrance and 'silly routine'. (;))


Things I didn't like:

The Booker T/Benoit match

Angle losing. :down

the Bischoff/Long match

Vince using the N Word.
Yeah i know you like Takers Schick and the part where the coffin burst open while on fire and he walked out was cool but it is making Orton look like a pussy and i think the fact the roster didn't scatter and let the 2 go at it kinda killed the crowds buzz as a bunch of lower level guys for no reason got choke slammed

The fact they have made Benoit/Booker best of 7 meant the match had no heat as the result was of little consequence

[Sarge 2.0]

I hated how Regal opened his freaking legs when he got Tombstoned.

[The Batman]

Yeah i know you like Takers Schick and the part where the coffin burst open while on fire and he walked out was cool but it is making Orton look like a pussy and i think the fact the roster didn't scatter and let the 2 go at it kinda killed the crowds buzz as a bunch of lower level guys for no reason got choke slammed

The fact they have made Benoit/Booker 2 out of 3 falls meant the match had no heat as the result was of little consequence


I'll definetely agree with orton looking all scared. this guy is the legend killer. Should he have been shocked? Yes? But scared?

[Hunter Rider]

I hated how Regal opened his freaking legs when he got Tombstoned.
LOL yeah what was that about,Taker continued like a pro though despite the odd legs akimbo action taking place under his nostrils

[The Batman]

I realise that. But this new Desperado type thing was slightly different, and I liked it.


Oh yeah, definetely. I just hope the tights dont ruin it

[Colossal Spoons]

Wait a minute, when did Vince say the N-word!?


Hunter, I think it was you who suggested that Batista was more suited for tag-team matches. What do you think about Batista/Lashely teaming up? They could be SD's answer to RAW's Show/Kane.

[Hunter Rider]

I'll definetely agree with orton looking all scared. this guy is the legend killer. Should he have been shocked? Yes? But scared?

Exactly and it's not helping Taker either,his greatest rival Mankind was never scared of him and that made him more of a threat to Taker
With Orton he should be so arrogant that he isn't afraid of anyone
His dad being with him is another stupid idea IMO

[Sarge 2.0]

Yeah i know you like Takers Schick and the part where the coffin burst open while on fire and he walked out was cool but it is making Orton look like a pussy and i think the fact the roster didn't scatter and let the 2 go at it kinda killed the crowds buzz as a bunch of lower level guys for no reason got choke slammed

The fact they have made Benoit/Booker best of 7 meant the match had no heat as the result was of little consequenceI agree with part of this, as I've always said that Orton looks like a dumbass alot during this feud. I also agree that the roster should have scattered and left, but seeing Funaki get chokeslammed made my pants tingle for some reason.

[Hunter Rider]

Wait a minute, when did Vince say the N-word!?


Hunter, I think it was you who suggested that Batista was more suited for tag-team matches. What do you think about Batista/Lashely teaming up? They could be SD's answer to RAW's Show/Kane.

Vince said it when he was talking to Cena after Bischoff said he was gonna screw him

Lashley and Batista in a one off power contest with Kane/Show would be a good power match but for long term i think Batista would be better of with a lighter more high flying partner that would compliment his power and size with speed and agility.perhaps Rey would work well with him

[The Batman]

Exactly and it's not helping Taker either,his greatest rival Mankind was never scared of him and that made him more of a threat to Taker
With Orton he should be so arrogant that he isn't afraid of anyone
His dad being with him is another stupid idea IMO


Orton will turn on daddy. Orton cant pass up a chance to take out another legend, especially if it was his father.

I wish they would finish this fued. It's harming both their characters, IMO.

[Sarge 2.0]

Oh yeah, definetely. I just hope the tights dont ruin itWtf was that little symbol on his tights anyway? Did anyone catch that?

[Hunter Rider]

I agree with part of this, as I've always said that Orton looks like a dumbass alot during this feud. I also agree that the roster should have scattered and left, but seeing Funaki get chokeslammed made my pants tingle for some reason.
LOL well funaki sells well and so did Kendrick i just felt it killed the moment that the 2 rivals didn't get at each other and less said about Randy's character in this feud the better:(
Was it just me or did Masters suck less last night ?:confused:

[The Batman]

i think it was a skull or somethin'....

[Hunter Rider]

Orton will turn on daddy. Orton cant pass up a chance to take out another legend, especially if it was his father.

I wish they would finish this fued. It's harming both their characters, IMO.
It should end at Armageddon with the HIAC and Orton must win IMO then turn on dad at the next SD

[Go Web Go!]

Hopefully he keeps some of that Desperado type look from the past couple of years. It's badass.

Or "Taker: Texas Ranger" as I like to call it. ;)

Orton will turn on daddy. Orton cant pass up a chance to take out another legend, especially if it was his father.

I wish they would finish this fued. It's harming both their characters, IMO.

Good point. I never though of that...

[Colossal Spoons]

Orton will turn on daddy. Orton cant pass up a chance to take out another legend, especially if it was his father.

I wish they would finish this fued. It's harming both their characters, IMO.

I don't even see how the N'word would come up in that conversation. Tacky Vince. (It's awesome to see that most if you guys; who are white I'm assuming; weren't pleased with Vince saying that. Thanks guys :) :up: )

Ok then do you see Lashely falling into the same rut that Batista is in? Eh, Rey would be good but somebody with a little more body would probably be better, one of the Mexicools maybe.

[Hunter Rider]

I don't even see how the N'word would come up in that conversation. Tacky Vince. (It's awesome to see that most if you guys; who are white I'm assuming; weren't pleased with Vince saying that. Thanks guys :) :up: )

Well i can't speak for everyone but i am white yes and i thought it was crass and unacceptable,another case of Vince thinking something crude is funny:down


Ok then do you see Lashley falling into the same rut that Batista is in? Eh, Rey would be good but somebody with a little more body would probably be better, one of the Mexicools maybe.

The difference between Batista and Lashley is that Lashley is a lot younger so ha can improve and also he is a collegic athlete so he has athletic ability where as Batista is more a big bodybuilder/Bouncer who got into the game to try and make some money

You may be right about Rey,im not really sure at the moment who would work best with him,i liked him and Eddie together (RIP:( ) so a guy around Eddie's size would be cool like Kennedy if he wasn't a heel

[Sarge 2.0]

Well i can't speak for everyone but i am white yes and i thought it was crass and unacceptable,another case of Vince thinking something crude is funny:down


The difference between Batista and Lashley is that Lashley is a lot younger so ha can improve and also he is a collegic athlete so he has athletic ability where as Batista is more a big bodybuilder/Bouncer who got into the game to try and make some money

You may be right about Rey,im not really sure at the moment who would work best with him,i liked him and Eddie together (RIP:( ) so a guy around Eddie's size would be cool like Kennedy if he wasn't a heelAnyone else impressed by Lashleys performance in the Elimination match? Before he got eliminated, that is. :o

[Colossal Spoons]

Import Chavo over from RAW...

[Hunter Rider]

Import Chavo over from RAW...

Awesome idea and i cool gesture to Eddie's memory

Anyone else impressed by Lashleys performance in the Elimination match? Before he got eliminated, that is. :o

I have to admit i thought he did well for a guy that has hardly any expierience and him and masters worked well enough for rookies

[Hunter Rider]

This is one of the most hardcore spots ive seen:eek:

http://img467.imageshack.us/img467/681/33uq.gif

[Sabretooth]

I wonder if Undertaker is gonna keep the trenchcoat and hat or bring back the cape since he looks more like he did in the Ministry?

[Hunter Rider]

Shane 'O' Machttp://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif

[Sarge 2.0]

Heheheheheh.

[The Ghoul]

Finally a good opening segment on Raw. I hope Shane O' Mac takes over it would be interesting.

[Sabretooth]

Yes! Shane returns! :D


I'd love to see him as GM. If only he could be head booker.:(

[The Ghoul]

This is one of the most hardcore spots ive seen:eek:

http://img467.imageshack.us/img467/681/33uq.gif

3 questions.

What promotion was that?
Who were the wrestlers?
Where did you find that clip?

That is ****ing awesome.

[Hunter Rider]

3 questions.

What promotion was that?
Who were the wrestlers?
Where did you find that clip?

That is ****ing awesome.

The promotion is ROH(Ring Of Honour)
Devito piledriving Angel Dust
On ROH's site

[Hunter Rider]

Strong showing from Carlito,i don't know why he didn't win given the emphasis on HBK's knee

[Sabretooth]

Ugh. HBK didn't look too good tonight. :(

[Hunter Rider]

Ugh. HBK didn't look too good tonight. :(

The match was about making Carlito look good and it worked,HBK selling the knee all the time made me sure Carlito would win but for some reason he didn't

[The Ghoul]

God Raw went from good to lame in a about 2.5 seconds. Angle I understand & even encourage... but why the **** is Chris Masters getting a title shot. He doesn't even deserve the IC title.

[The Ghoul]

Edit

[Sarge 2.0]

Guh. :(

[punishermax]

I'll be pissed if Shelton jobs.

[The Ghoul]

Am I the only one who was reminded of a hate crime during Shelton Vs. Murdoch

[NDX]

What the hell happened to the team of Murdoch and Cade? Where the hell was I when they split up?

And damn, I can't wait to see Rhino defend the USA Pro title in March.

As for Raw, is started off well enough, but has since fell short.

[Doc Luis]

Suprise suprise, Cena won :/

[Donnie Darko]

dude, have yall noticed that Chris Masters is getting cheered against John Cena right now? wow

[The Ghoul]

Wasn't Coach right on the money when he said "Where did Cena learn the STF?"

[NDX]

Wasn't Coach right on the money when he said "Where did Cena learn the STF?"
I'm more wondering why the STF. Why couldn't they give him a more interesting submission? Or a submission to sell? He looked horrible butchering that more.

[LastSunrise1981]

Hey Vince,

You know what? You know what's really bad? The fact that CHRIS MASTERS was getting cheered over Cena and Masters couldn't draw a pop from a vending machine.

Cena was getting the "Cena sucks chants", was getting booed during his five knuckle shuffle, and overall people have just grown tired of him already. It's time to take the belt off of him and give it to Angle, Triple H(I know, I know), or possibly push RVD for a title run when he returns from his injury.


I've grown so tired of Cena that I'd settle for a Ego H run. :(

[Eric Draven]

They don't really need to take the title off him. Just turn him heel already. Turn him back into what made him popular in the first place. The ending of Raw this week was kind of a sign that they might go in that direction, but have him make the turn. Then have Shawn Michaels feud with him....

[The Ghoul]

I was never tired of HHH he was arrogant, he was a prick & he lobbied to always have the belt put on himself. But he was at least a credible champ.

[0neDisturbedSOB]

I have to give it to Carlito, he put on a pretty impressive match against HBK, and that modified back breaker he did was pretty creative. The Show/HHH segment was pretty good, for a minute I thought Big Show was going to turn and side with HHH but I was glad to see him get in H's face.

The main event was OK...I'm tired of the whole Angle/Cena thing already, but those "Cena sucks" chants were ringing loud and clear...I wonder if Vince was listening?

Good to see Shane-o Mac back, hopefully he'll be a permanent fixture on RAW.

Just another RAW, nothing special, but nothing completely terrible either.

[Hunter Rider]

I have to give it to Carlito, he put on a pretty impressive match against HBK, and that modified back breaker he did was pretty creative. The Show/HHH segment was pretty good, for a minute I thought Big Show was going to turn and side with HHH but I was glad to see him get in H's face.


Carlito has been smart in his new offense,that cool backbreaker is a Roderick Strong move and looks great
I thought Show Was gonna side with him as well but i like the idea of the biggest man on the show stepping up to the number 1 heel to put him in his place

[Eklypze]

man im so damn pissed i feel asleep during raw last night and woke up and impact had just went off i so goddamn pissed off what all happened at raw last nite?

[Hunter Rider]

I haven't seen RAW's main event but I'm guessing Cena got booed against Masters ? that coupled with the crowd cheering when Duvari tried to screw him at SS should be all Vince needs to realise he needs to alter things

Masters was thrown into the 3-way so he could tap instead of Kurt as I'm guessing the plan is for Shane to now be GM which will be a breath of fresh air to RAW IMO

[Ultimate_Superman]

I hope Shane comes back he needs to have more input in this business. I mean his sister right now has more pull then Shane does.

[Eklypze]

man imo shane needs to wrestle again i loved it when shaneomac wrestled that dude got crazy for being the son of a ***** like vince

[Eklypze]

YAY! i broke my 200th post and didnt even realize it:eek:

[Eklypze]

damn what page was that like long list of wrestling facts on im tryna show it to a friend of mine and cant find it nowhere it wasnt posted before eddie died was it??

[Mr. Socko]

Shane as new GM...YES!

Taker's return was the best I've ever seen. Taker vs Orton at armageddon.

[0neDisturbedSOB]

I haven't seen RAW's main event but I'm guessing Cena got booed against Masters ? that coupled with the crowd cheering when Duvari tried to screw him at SS should be all Vince needs to realise he needs to alter things

Masters was thrown into the 3-way so he could tap instead of Kurt as I'm guessing the plan is for Shane to now be GM which will be a breath of fresh air to RAW IMO

Cena wasn't getting booed out of the building, but there were definitely some chants of "Cena sucks", and at points Masters WAS getting cheered over Cena. Personally I am already tired of the Cena/Angle fued...it's been done before, and even then it wasn't that great.

Cena looked a little "heel-ish" at the end of RAW, could this be a sign of things to come?

[Hunter Rider]

Cena wasn't getting booed out of the building, but there were definitely some chants of "Cena sucks", and at points Masters WAS getting cheered over Cena. Personally I am already tired of the Cena/Angle fued...it's been done before, and even then it wasn't that great.

Cena looked a little "heel-ish" at the end of RAW, could this be a sign of things to come?

According the guys over at DVDW the only pops Cena is getting are from the kids and some women now would be a good time for him to use the lack of support as the basis for a heel turn and with it become more aggressive and less cartoony in the ring.I haven't seen RAW's ME but if Cena did look heelish that is hopefully the beginning as while Vince may be many things but i doubt he will just let this situation go on and on

Anybody think Murdoch is gonna do well ? i like his in bred old school look and he clearly knows his job,apparently he has challenged Flair to an IC title match

[Eklypze]

just out of curiousty how mayn of you guys used to backyard wrestle?and how many of you guys are into good hardcore wrestling like good old ecw or xpw or japan type stuff?

[0neDisturbedSOB]

Yeah Cena was looking a little pissed off at the end of the match. The ref raised his hand, and he snatched it away and had this really pissed off look on his face. I do agree that now would be the perfect time for Cena to turn heel and use the lack of support as a basis for his turn.

I still can't believe that Vince demoted Batista to Smackdown! and promoted Cena to RAW when Batista's pops are WAY louder, and he seems to be more over as a face than Cena is.

[0neDisturbedSOB]

just out of curiousty how mayn of you guys used to backyard wrestle?and how many of you guys are into good hardcore wrestling like good old ecw or xpw or japan type stuff?

I like watching it, but I'm not dumb enough to try it myself. :down

[Hunter Rider]

Yeah Cena was looking a little pissed off at the end of the match. The ref raised his hand, and he snatched it away and had this really pissed off look on his face. I do agree that now would be the perfect time for Cena to turn heel and use the lack of support as a basis for his turn.

I still can't believe that Vince demoted Batista to Smackdown! and promoted Cena to RAW when Batista's pops are WAY louder, and he seems to be more over as a face than Cena is.
I think with Batista being so old that they felt Cena was the guy to build around,personally i don't think either are the guys to use and i feel sorry for Cena as while he is struggling his matches and skills are way better than batista who is very forunate to have this tight friendship with HHH IMO

[0neDisturbedSOB]

Actually I like Batista more than I do Cena. Batista may be older, but he can at least convincingly pass off the "tough guy" routine. I don't dislike Cena, but I do agree that he is NOT the person to build the company around. I think that Orton has the potential to be the "next big thing" (no reference to Brock) but he needs to find his niche in the company and go with it. Personally I like his "legend killer" gimmick, but in order to get over as a TRUE heel, he needs to turn on his father and go off on his own.

Anyone know what's going on with Batista? I thought he was injured?

[Hunter Rider]

Actually I like Batista more than I do Cena. Batista may be older, but he can at least convincingly pass off the "tough guy" routine. I don't dislike Cena, but I do agree that he is NOT the person to build the company around. I think that Orton has the potential to be the "next big thing" (no reference to Brock) but he needs to find his niche in the company and go with it. Personally I like his "legend killer" gimmick, but in order to get over as a TRUE heel, he needs to turn on his father and go off on his own.

Anyone know what's going on with Batista? I thought he was injured?
I'll be honest i am judging off when the bell rings and Batista reminds me of Sid with his boring 3 move matches,plus he has to work slow due to the fact he is winded a lot due to probable roid use
Cena is in a hard spot b/c if he goes heel HHH will want him buried

With Orton i think he needs to have a big week coming up in December,he needs to beat Taker clean in the HIAC match and then RKO his dad on the following SD to prepare him to win the Rumble

Batista looks like he is going to rehab and keep the belt due to Eddie's death,i think they want to avoid putting it on Orton now as he needs a clean return to the title not to be known as the guy that has the belt b/c of Eddies death

[0neDisturbedSOB]

So basically Batista will keep the title and only work tag matches, or cut promos until his back has rehabed? I guess Orton winning the rumble, then heading to WM22 to face Batista is the natural way to go. Orton will go over on Batista, and hopefully have a REAL title run this time. He'll probably fued with Batista for a few months. My biggest fear is that UT comes back (again) and challenges Orton for the title. Undertaker is cool, but he's WAY past being the champion again, especially since he's a "part timer".

Odd, because both Cena and Batista will surpass JBL's title reign if they hold their belts until WM22 (basically one year each). I'm all for Orton winning the Word title, and Cena dropping the WWE title.

Actually I'd like to see Cena VS Batista in a title unification match where the brands join back together and they put an end to this ridiculous, and failed RAW vs SMACKDOWN! angle.

Batista VS Cena - World/WWE title unification
Benoit VS Flair - US title/IC title unification (Benoit will win the US title back)
Big Show/Kane VS MNM - Tag titles unification

These aren't GREAT matches, but they are the champs thus far (except Benoit). I just want to see the separate brands ended, it's gone on long enough.

[3dman27]

Or "Taker: Texas Ranger" as I like to call it. ;)



Good point. I never though of that...
taker texas ranger LOL
would cordell walkerhave nightmares with TAKER as his c.o.?

[Hunter Rider]

So basically Batista will keep the title and only work tag matches, or cut promos until his back has rehabed? I guess Orton winning the rumble, then heading to WM22 to face Batista is the natural way to go. Orton will go over on Batista, and hopefully have a REAL title run this time. He'll probably fued with Batista for a few months. My biggest fear is that UT comes back (again) and challenges Orton for the title. Undertaker is cool, but he's WAY past being the champion again, especially since he's a "part timer".

I think your most likely right,id prefer Benoit to get the World title and drop it to Orton at WM22 as Batista/Orton is merely a paper title match but it looks less likely
Orton must beat Taker but i'm worried Taker will pull rank at Armageddon and Randy will be back on the uphill battle

Odd, because both Cena and Batista will surpass JBL's title reign if they hold their belts until WM22 (basically one year each). I'm all for Orton winning the Word title, and Cena dropping the WWE title.

Something i find weird is that i got bored of JBL as champ fairly quickly but compared to the current two i preferred him


Actually I'd like to see Cena VS Batista in a title unification match where the brands join back together and they put an end to this ridiculous, and failed RAW vs SMACKDOWN! angle.

Batista VS Cena - World/WWE title unification
Benoit VS Flair - US title/IC title unification (Benoit will win the US title back)
Big Show/Kane VS MNM - Tag titles unification

These aren't GREAT matches, but they are the champs thus far (except Benoit). I just want to see the separate brands ended, it's gone on long enough.


!00% agreed,the brand split expirement is over they need to re-merge the 2 shows in whatever way is quickest

[Colossal Spoons]

But the brand split accomplished what it set out to do. It gave midcarders more mic time and more time in the spotlight. If they unify the brands, then we get to hear HHH ramble, Cena rap, the Ortons babble, the McMahons waste time, terrible Diva matches, and more disgraceful Cruiserweight fights two times a week. The brand splitting opened up doors for people like Snitsky, Boogeyman, Kennedy, etc to shine.

[0neDisturbedSOB]

Yeah I think we're in agreement that Orton should/will be the champ by WM22, however I think either Orton or Benoit should be shipped back to RAW to fued with Cena over the WWE title. I could see Cena VS Orton as an interesting fued. I remember when the last WWE Smackdown game came out (before this most recent one), the big "dream match" you could play was Orton VS Cena and I remember thinking "that could be good".

I could see a face Benoit taking on a newly turned heel Cena, or a face Cena taking on a heel Orton (either would result in Cena dropping the title). I'm hoping for once in a LONG time, we won't see HHH in the main event of WM.

[Hunter Rider]

Yeah I think we're in agreement that Orton should/will be the champ by WM22, however I think either Orton or Benoit should be shipped back to RAW to fued with Cena over the WWE title. I could see Cena VS Orton as an interesting fued. I remember when the last WWE Smackdown game came out (before this most recent one), the big "dream match" you could play was Orton VS Cena and I remember thinking "that could be good".

I could see a face Benoit taking on a newly turned heel Cena, or a face Cena taking on a heel Orton (either would result in Cena dropping the title). I'm hoping for once in a LONG time, we won't see HHH in the main event of WM.

We definately are agreed on Orton,i think Cena/Benoit would work very well or perhaps RVD/Cena,i think for now they should keep Cena and Orton apart until both have gotten more expirience under their belts as neither can lead the dance IMO

My hope is HHH will face Flair in a retirement match at WM22 but i have no idea what the RAW main event will be at Mania

[Hunter Rider]

But the brand split accomplished what it set out to do. It gave midcarders more mic time and more time in the spotlight. If they unify the brands, then we get to hear HHH ramble, Cena rap, the Ortons babble, the McMahons waste time, terrible Diva matches, and more disgraceful Cruiserweight fights two times a week. The brand splitting opened up doors for people like Snitsky, Boogeyman, Kennedy, etc so shine.

But most of them are barley worth geting over and WWE managed to utilize Y2J,Anlge and Benoit on one roster while HHH,The Rock and Undertaker were all still there

[0neDisturbedSOB]

Yeah I thought Orton was good when he was part of Evolution. I always looked at Flair, HHH and Orton as sort of a "past, present, and future" sort of deal. It was weird how Orton was the top guy, and almost out of nowhere Batista took off and surpassed him in terms of popularity. Everyone thought it was going to be Orton VS HHH at WM21 until Batista came along and stole his thunder. I blame Orton's lame title run on the fact that he was turned face and then almost forced down our throats.

Orton is a lot like Rock in the sense that he is MUCH better as a heel, he just needs to find his niche in the WWE. The thing with his Dad is killing him, and if he wants to establish himself as a SERIOUS contender in the WWE then he needs to go over cleanly at Armageddon against UT.

Eventually I would like to see Orton VS Cena as I think that has the potential to be a great fued between 2 young superstars....just not right now. I'd like to see Benoit shipped to RAW to face a heel Cena at WM22, and Orton VS Batista.

[Hunter Rider]

Yeah I thought Orton was good when he was part of Evolution. I always looked at Flair, HHH and Orton as sort of a "past, present, and future" sort of deal. It was weird how Orton was the top guy, and almost out of nowhere Batista took off and surpassed him in terms of popularity. Everyone thought it was going to be Orton VS HHH at WM21 until Batista came along and stole his thunder. I blame Orton's lame title run on the fact that he was turned face and then almost forced down our throats.

Orton is a lot like Rock in the sense that he is MUCH better as a heel, he just needs to find his niche in the WWE. The thing with his Dad is killing him, and if he wants to establish himself as a SERIOUS contender in the WWE then he needs to go over cleanly at Armageddon against UT.

Eventually I would like to see Orton VS Cena as I think that has the potential to be a great fued between 2 young superstars....just not right now. I'd like to see Benoit shipped to RAW to face a heel Cena at WM22, and Orton VS Batista.

Well the whole Orton thing was a complete mess,he should have remained heel when he won the title at SS-2004 and have HHH in the background of the Evolution seething with jealousy
Then have HHH keep getting in Orton's way during matches until Orton kicks HHH's ass and then have Evolution back HHH so his face turn would be gradual
Having him kicked out and turned face in 24 hours made him look a mug

In the future Orton/Cena should be huge if they don't keep killing both guys the way they are right now and Taker winning at Armageddon will be a death nail for Orton

My ideal WM22 matches now would be Orton/Benoit for SD and HBK/RVD for Raw

[Mr. Socko]

HBK vs RVD for Main Event Mania...that'll be the day.

Vince is so stupid, when is he gonna learn. Cena is getting booed and we're tired of him as champ. Kurt deserved to win that match.

[Mr. Socko]

And btw, Undertaker better defeat Orton at Armageddon, which is rumored as a cell match

[Hunter Rider]

And btw, Undertaker better defeat Orton at Armageddon, which is rumored as a cell match

it is gonna be a Hell in a Cell match but why should taker win,he is a 43 year old guy who should be helping young talent like Orton get to the next level not doing a Hogan and burying them by always going over

[Hunter Rider]

HBK vs RVD for Main Event Mania...that'll be the day.

.

Sad but true:(

[0neDisturbedSOB]

HBK/RVD is a LONG shot. I think when RVD comes back in Jan he'll be brought back as a top-mid carder at best. For some reason I don't see RVD ever capturing the WWE/World title, not that I don't want him to, but I think Vince is hell bent on building the company around a guy with a gimmick rather than a guy with talent.

[0neDisturbedSOB]

And btw, Undertaker better defeat Orton at Armageddon, which is rumored as a cell match

I don't see why Taker better win. As Hunter said, Taker is past his prime and should be helping to groom the next crop of superstars instead of always putting himself over simply because he doesn't want to damage his ego. I've always read that Undertaker was looked upon as a locker room leader, and as such he should be helping guys like Orton make a name for themselves. Taker already went over Orton at WM21 (which was a hell of a match), so why not let Orton win CLEAN at Armageddon?

The Taker/Orton fued has been going on for almost a year, and I'm hoping this will be their last match. I'd like to see Orton go over Taker at Armageddon, and somehow return, but this time to RAW.

[Hunter Rider]

HBK/RVD is a LONG shot. I think when RVD comes back in Jan he'll be brought back as a top-mid carder at best. For some reason I don't see RVD ever capturing the WWE/World title, not that I don't want him to, but I think Vince is hell bent on building the company around a guy with a gimmick rather than a guy with talent.

Yeah sadly it is just a pipe dream for me,to be honest Ive always been more a ring talent fan so Mania's are hit and miss for me,the year Benoit won was one of my favourites

The thing is RVD is over without even getting a push,he has not had a big match in a long time and hardly talks but he is still a big pop guy
when he comes back i guess he'll work with Carlito

[Sabretooth]

I really really really hope Vince's ''Time to take out the trash'' means to somehow turn Cena heel,but I think I'm just dreaming.:(

It's funny how Vince doesn't seem to care as much about Batista and yet he hasn't been booed since he won that title....

[0neDisturbedSOB]

More than likely they'll stick him with Carlito for short fued between the two. Honestly, I would like to see Flair VS HHH for the IC title, in a sort of "I can take it if I want" angle for HHH to prove he is superior over Flair. I would like to see him win the belt, and then relinquish it the next night saying something like "I told you I could take your belt, but we all know I'm bigger than the IC title"....that could be sort of cool.

WM20 was one of the best WM's in a LONG time. I was cheering for Benoit the whole time, and when he slapped on that crossface I was on my feet. Seeing Benoit win the World title made me happy because if ANYONE DESERVES it, it was certainly him. I will also never forget when Eddie came out, and the 2 of them stood in the ring as champions of the WWE...it was surreal.

I'm cheering for Orton as champ right now. I've liked him since his Evolution days, and I think he has tremendous potential to be HUGE.

[Mr. Socko]

I just said that cause I like Taker more.

And Batista is 100000000x better then Cena. PLEASE get that title off of Cena, Vince.

DOES HE NOT HEAR THE BOOS!!!!!!???????!??????!?!?!?!?!?!?!

[Hunter Rider]

I just said that cause I like Taker more.

And Batista is 100000000x better then Cena. PLEASE get that title off of Cena, Vince.

DOES HE NOT HEAR THE BOOS!!!!!!???????!??????!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Not in the ring he isnt,Cena has more wrestling ability than Batista by a long way

[0neDisturbedSOB]

I really really really hope Vince's ''Time to take out the trash'' means to somehow turn Cena heel,but I think I'm just dreaming.:(

It's funny how Vince doesn't seem to care as much about Batista and yet he hasn't been booed since he won that title....

Yeah that's what I said earlier. Hunter pointed out that it's basically an age thing for Vince. He'd rather center the company around someone who's in their mid 20's, over someone who's in his early 40's. I guess that makes sense, but Batista is WAY more over than Cena is at this point. IMO Vince is just being stubborn because he obviously doesn't want to admit he was wrong about Cena being "the franchise" of the company.

My dream match would be Orton winning the World title, and Benoit winning the WWE title (from a heel Cena) and then having a title unification match in the future, thus reuniting the 2 brands again....man that would be sweet.

I could also go for a Orton/Cena title unification match, but in the future.

[Hunter Rider]

More than likely they'll stick him with Carlito for short fued between the two. Honestly, I would like to see Flair VS HHH for the IC title, in a sort of "I can take it if I want" angle for HHH to prove he is superior over Flair. I would like to see him win the belt, and then relinquish it the next night saying something like "I told you I could take your belt, but we all know I'm bigger than the IC title"....that could be sort of cool.

WM20 was one of the best WM's in a LONG time. I was cheering for Benoit the whole time, and when he slapped on that crossface I was on my feet. Seeing Benoit win the World title made me happy because if ANYONE DESERVES it, it was certainly him. I will also never forget when Eddie came out, and the 2 of them stood in the ring as champions of the WWE...it was surreal.

I'm cheering for Orton as champ right now. I've liked him since his Evolution days, and I think he has tremendous potential to be HUGE.

According to WWE.com Murdoch has challenged Flair to a title match so im guessing he will take the Ic title

RVD vs Carlito might work better than i had thought as Carlito really stepped up last night

[Hunter Rider]

Yeah that's what I said earlier. Hunter pointed out that it's basically an age thing for Vince. He'd rather center the company around someone who's in their mid 20's, over someone who's in his early 40's. I guess that makes sense, but Batista is WAY more over than Cena is at this point. IMO Vince is just being stubborn because he obviously doesn't want to admit he was wrong about Cena being "the franchise" of the company.

My dream match would be Orton winning the World title, and Benoit winning the WWE title (from a heel Cena) and then having a title unification match in the future, thus reuniting the 2 brands again....man that would be sweet.

I could also go for a Orton/Cena title unification match, but in the future.

I think you right about Vince's stubborness overiding his common sense although trying to build around Batista would also fail IMO that's where i really think Orton can come into his own

[0neDisturbedSOB]

Yeah I was actually impressed with Carlito's ability last night against HBK. Murdoch taking the title off of Flair would be a waste because the guy really doesn't have anything going for him other than a hat, and a face only a Mother could love.

Orton VS HBK at Survivor Series was actually pretty good, I thought the 2 worked well together.

[0neDisturbedSOB]

I think you right about Vince's stubborness overiding his common sense although trying to build around Batista would also fail IMO that's where i really think Orton can come into his own

I don't think Vince should build the company around either guy, I'm just saying that if he's going to make it a popularity contest then Batista has him beat hands down. I would like to see Vince build the company around guys like Orton who has the charisma and attitude, and guys like Benoit who is probably the best WRESTLER in the business right now.

Most of these dream matches will probably never happen, oh well that's why we have PS2's and the Smackdown! games right?

[Hunter Rider]

Yeah I was actually impressed with Carlito's ability last night against HBK. Murdoch taking the title off of Flair would be a waste because the guy really doesn't have anything going for him other than a hat, and a face only a Mother could love.

Orton VS HBK at Survivor Series was actually pretty good, I thought the 2 worked well together.
Murdoch is real good worker though and they could use him as a old school type redneck,i think he could work given a good angle

I wish HBk and Orton had worked a bit longer but they definately have chemistry
It would be cool if HBK won the title at the Elimination chamber and then Orton won the Rumble and jumped to RAW b/c he wanted to beat a Legend for the belt

[Hunter Rider]

I don't think Vince should build the company around either guy, I'm just saying that if he's going to make it a popularity contest then Batista has him beat hands down. I would like to see Vince build the company around guys like Orton who has the charisma and attitude, and guys like Benoit who is probably the best WRESTLER in the business right now.

Most of these dream matches will probably never happen, oh well that's why we have PS2's and the Smackdown! games right?

lol i havent bought any games since they stopped using the AKI engine:mad:
I loved the old WCW/NWO revenge game

Yeah sorry i knew what you meant i was just on my "get me a proper wrassler as champ" kickhttp://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif

With WWE it has phases,right now is a weak phase but there is the potential starts there to turn it around IMO

[0neDisturbedSOB]

The angle you mentioned about HBK winning the belt, and Orton jumping to RAW so he could challenge a legend would be a great idea.

[0neDisturbedSOB]

The new Smackdown! VS RAW 2006 game is probably the best wrestling game to date. The entrances are dead on for the most part, the storylines are good, and it has voice acting that's actually GOOD and believable. If you've got a PS2, I'd at least give it a rental and see how you like it.

[Sarge 2.0]

Awesome...I don't have the cash to buy it right now but I'm definitely going to rent it. :up:

[Hunter Rider]

The angle you mentioned about HBK winning the belt, and Orton jumping to RAW so he could challenge a legend would be a great idea.

I'd love for it to happen and it's not out of the question as HBK could beat Cena in the chamber and when they go to do the face thing and shake hands Cena could turn on HBK and beat him down thus cementing his heel turn

[Hunter Rider]

The new Smackdown! VS RAW 2006 game is probably the best wrestling game to date. The entrances are dead on for the most part, the storylines are good, and it has voice acting that's actually GOOD and believable. If you've got a PS2, I'd at least give it a rental and see how you like it.
Ive just sold my PS2 and X-Box,will the game be available on X360 ?

[0neDisturbedSOB]

Ive just sold my PS2 and X-Box,will the game be available on X360 ?

Nope, those games are PS EXCLUSIVE. All wrestling games on the XBOX to date are HORRIBLE.

[Hunter Rider]

Nope, those games are PS EXCLUSIVE. All wrestling games on the XBOX to date are HORRIBLE.

Yeah so ive read,oh well hopefully maybe a good one will come along for X-360

[0neDisturbedSOB]

Maybe someday.

[Hunter Rider]

Source: PWInsider

Joey Styles and WWE have agreed to a verbal deal where he will become the lead RAW announcer. There is no word on when a contract will be signed just yet. There is also no update on what the future holds for Styles' advertising job in Atlanta, GA. Styles has not been fed lines from Vince during TV shows and has basically been doing his own thing.

The Associated Press has picked up the Ric Flair assault story which means tons and tons of news outlets will be posting it.

The original plan for Survivor Series was for Triple H and Ric Flair to be pulled apart by security to end the match but Flair wanted the match to end with him being down on the mat and unable to get up. Obviously the match went the way Flair wanted it to.

The WWE creative team is headed to Ohio Valley Wrestling in Louisville, Kentucky tomorrow to take a look at talent. They will be at the training session early in the afternoon and will then fly back to Connecticut in the evening hours.

Many indy workers were backstage at RAW and will be present tonight at SmackDown! likely to play druids for 'Taker.

[Keyser Soze]

Hey! I've noticed quite a lot of negative buzz around Survivor Series. But I actually quite liked it. Having just watched it today, I think I'll post my thoughts:

CHRIS BENOIT VS BOOKER T
Pretty slow to start, but built up nicely. Good way to start the PPV, with two guys you know are going to deliver when put in the ring together. The commentary annoyed me in this match, with Cole and Tazz ignoring the in-ring action to focus on their comedy double-act, and Michael Cole showing his ignorance of wrestling history by proudly declaring that this best of 7 sereis was different from the WCW one because "this time it's for a title." Erm...so was the WCW one, Mr. Cole. You could tell they were holding back a lot of stuff for future matches, but still a strong bout.
***

Now may I say that I laughed my ass off during that Vince McMahon skit. It was a cringe-worthy moment of the "Curb Your Enthusiasm" variety. The facial expressions of all involved, and the way the crowd fell into a stunned silence, just made it even funnier.

TRISH STRATUS VS MELINA
Actually, this wasn't all that bad. Trish Stratus has turned into one hell of a performer. It's just a shame they don't realy have any other female wrestlers to match her talent. Actually, they do, in the shape of Alexis Laree. Sorry, I refuse to call her Mickey James. Alexis Laree was one of the hottest female stars on the indies, so I find it ridiculous that it a) took them this long to find something for her to do, b) make one of the few women in their roster who is actually talented have a minimal on-screen role. Hopefully they are going somewhere with her character. Anyway, the match was pretty good for what it was.
**1/2

TRIPLE H VS RIC FLAIR
Firstly, I have to say the promo video did a great job of hyping up this match. And the match itself certainly didn't disappoint. This really had an old school feel to it, with the slow build escalating into the edge-of-your-seat finale. Ric Flair was great throughout, doing one of the nastiest blade-jobs I've seen in a while. But I think the true star of the match was Triple H. His detractors say he is worthless without the belt, but even without it he can come out and deliver the match of the night. He is a master manipulator when it comes to playing with fan's expectations, just allowing enough time for the fans to gain hope of a Flair comeback before crushing it with a slegdehammer. And that wordless aftermath, with the gun motion, and the wicked smile as he walked out of the ring, did more to show how evil HHH is than any 10 minute promo could. Whine all you want about backstage politics and too many title reigns, but ultimately, HHH is still the best heel in the business. As for the match, apart from a handful of others (only onw of which comes from WWE) this is one of the best matches of the year.
****3/4

Edge's promo seemed pretty pointless, serving merely as filler. However, I have to say that Edge is constantly improving as a heel. He's got down the classic heel promo tactics, and is using his status as a real-life bastard to add to his in-ring persona. Now, all he needs to do is cash in on his Money In The Bank gambit before we all stop caring...

JOHN CENA VS KURT ANGLE
This match was a farce. Don't get me wrong - in-ring it was good. But the reactions of the crowd show just how idiotic WWE management are at the moment. The fact that the "heel" is getting cheered, while the loudest chant of the night is a "Cena Sucks!" chant, sorta tells me that he needed to drop the title to Angle. The crowd wanted it, and I know I did. And for a while, it almost seemed to be building to that. But then they threw in the BS ending and spoiled that. I guess WWE are just going to ignore the overwhelming rejection of Cena by the fans so they don't have to admit they're wrong. it may sound shocking, but I'm now seeing HHH as the saviour of Raw. Please, HHH, take the belt off Cena at New Year's Resolution, and give us three glorious months of Cena not being champion. And maybe if we're giving a good feud, Cena may actually be credible by the time he wins the belt back at Wrestlemania. But back to the match itself. I hate how Cena is being shoved down our throats, but I don't hate Cena himself. He did pretty well in the match, though I guess Angle can make anyone look good. As for Angle, he was of course great as always, with his work ensuring a rating of 3 stars. I initially added a star for the hilarious crowd reactions, but then I took half a star away for the crappy ending and Cena winning.
***1/2

ERIC BISCHOFF VS TEDDY LONG
Crap. Nuff Said.
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SURVIVOR SERIES RAW VS SMACKDOWN MATCH
I enjoyed this match. The two standouts were Shawn Michaels and Randy Orton. Michaels is still one of the best sellers in the business, and he did a great job throughout, making his comeback genuinely surprising, but impressive enough to get the crowd behind hm. As for Randy Orton, I have to say I'm liking him again. His lame-duck face run initially put me off, but his recent heel work has won back my respect. He will be a future world champion. But as a heel, not as a face.

Nice way to close the show. The Undertaker may not be great in the ring, but I always mark out seeing him make his yearly spooky comeback. This is his last run (He retires at Wrestlemania) and I hope it's a good one. The Undertaker has proven that he can still deliver in the big matches, and Randy Orton is the perfect final nemesis for him. The clash of the generations - the legacy of the past against the ambition of the future. I'd like Orton to win their battle at Armageddon, then move Orton onto a world title program with Batista. As for The Undertaker, give him a dream match with another legend at Wrestlemania (Shawn Michaels? Ric Flair? Hulk Hogan!?) and let him win, going out on a high, his undefeated Mania streak intact. And on one other note, may I just say that Randy Orton's reaction to The Undertaker was pure gold. I half-expected to see piss trickling down his leg.

Overall, a good show. Not exactly the best card on paper, but some good matches, and one excellent match with Flair/HHH.

[Hunter Rider]

TRIPLE H VS RIC FLAIR
Firstly, I have to say the promo video did a great job of hyping up this match. And the match itself certainly didn't disappoint. This really had an old school feel to it, with the slow build escalating into the edge-of-your-seat finale. Ric Flair was great throughout, doing one of the nastiest blade-jobs I've seen in a while. But I think the true star of the match was Triple H. His detractors say he is worthless without the belt, but even without it he can come out and deliver the match of the night. He is a master manipulator when it comes to playing with fan's expectations, just allowing enough time for the fans to gain hope of a Flair comeback before crushing it with a slegdehammer. And that wordless aftermath, with the gun motion, and the wicked smile as he walked out of the ring, did more to show how evil HHH is than any 10 minute promo could. Whine all you want about backstage politics and too many title reigns, but ultimately, HHH is still the best heel in the business. As for the match, apart from a handful of others (only onw of which comes from WWE) this is one of the best matches of the year.
****3/4

What was the 1 from WWE ?





SURVIVOR SERIES RAW VS SMACKDOWN MATCH
I enjoyed this match. The two standouts were Shawn Michaels and Randy Orton. Michaels is still one of the best sellers in the business, and he did a great job throughout, making his comeback genuinely surprising, but impressive enough to get the crowd behind hm. As for Randy Orton, I have to say I'm liking him again. His lame-duck face run initially put me off, but his recent heel work has won back my respect. He will be a future world champion. But as a heel, not as a face.

Nice way to close the show. The Undertaker may not be great in the ring, but I always mark out seeing him make his yearly spooky comeback. This is his last run (He retires at Wrestlemania) and I hope it's a good one. The Undertaker has proven that he can still deliver in the big matches, and Randy Orton is the perfect final nemesis for him. The clash of the generations - the legacy of the past against the ambition of the future. I'd like Orton to win their battle at Armageddon, then move Orton onto a world title program with Batista. As for The Undertaker, give him a dream match with another legend at Wrestlemania (Shawn Michaels? Ric Flair? Hulk Hogan!?) and let him win, going out on a high, his undefeated Mania streak intact. And on one other note, may I just say that Randy Orton's reaction to The Undertaker was pure gold. I half-expected to see piss trickling down his leg.

Overall, a good show. Not exactly the best card on paper, but some good matches, and one excellent match with Flair/HHH.


Im not gonna debate match points as we all have our likes and dislikes but did you think that HBK and Orton should have had longer before the finish ?
and i honeslty felt that Orton and Taker should have clashed rather than the nonsensical chokeslamming of the SD mid card

BTW where did you hear about Taker retiring for definate at WM22 ?

[Keyser Soze]

What was the 1 from WWE ?

Kurt Angle VS Shawn Michaels from Wrestlemania 21. That was probably WWE's only ***** match this year.


Im not gonna debate match points as we all have our likes and dislikes but did you think that HBK and Orton should have had longer before the finish ?
and i honeslty felt that Orton and Taker should have clashed rather than the nonsensical chokeslamming of the SD mid card

You're right about Orton/HBK. I was enjoying their confrontation - it should have lasted at least another 5-10 minutes. But as for Taker and Orton fighting, best to keep them apart until their match. Work the crowd into a frenzy until they are baying for Orton's blood. Then have him juice like crazy at Hell In A Cell.

BTW where did you hear about Taker retiring for definate at WM22 ?

I believe he's said it himself a few times. Plus, there's a reason they keep on saying "The Beginning Of The End".

[Hunter Rider]

Kurt Angle VS Shawn Michaels from Wrestlemania 21. That was probably WWE's only ***** match this year.
i agree although i thought their rematch and HBK vs Shelton were 4 star matches as well


You're right about Orton/HBK. I was enjoying their confrontation - it should have lasted at least another 5-10 minutes. But as for Taker and Orton fighting, best to keep them apart until their match. Work the crowd into a frenzy until they are baying for Orton's blood. Then have him juice like crazy at Hell In A Cell.

I can see what you mean it just seemed to kill the buzz when Taker manhandled those SD guys for no reason




I believe he's said it himself a few times. Plus, there's a reason they keep on saying "The Beginning Of The End".
[/QUOTE]

Honestly i thought that was just a slogan for him coming to destroy Randy

[Hunter Rider]

From PW Torch

Randy Orton is currently penciled in to win the 2006 Royal Rumble in Miami and then go on to WrestleMania where he is expected to win the World Heavyweight Title against Batista. WWE is very adamant about making up for his first reign which was considered very disappointing. WWE feels that Orton will be one of the top stars of the future; Batista is already 40-years-old, so his days on top are fairly limited.

Cena is expected to retain the WWE Title against HHH at Mania.

Let me be the first to say......What The F**K!?!?!??!?!??!?:mad:

[0neDisturbedSOB]

I was happy up until the end.

[Eric Draven]

Things change all the time. Remember how the original outcome of WM last year was for Orton to win the title from Triple H until they saw the horrible reaction Orton was getting as a face?

[Eklypze]

damnit what page was that list of little known wrestling facts on? the one that said Lawler and honkey tonk man were cousins and REy mysterio was an extra in FvsJ i cant find it any where a friend of mine was wanting me to let him see it and i cant find what page it was on for nothing! any help remembering what page it was on would be really appreciated

[Sarge 2.0]

Let me be the first to say......What The F**K!?!?!??!?!??!?:mad:That first part was really great...it's that stupid little tidbit at the end that gets me. :(

[The Undertaker]

This is his last run (He retires at Wrestlemania) and I hope it's a good one .

False, this was never once said by him or anyone else in the WWE. 100% positive on that one.

[Hunter Rider]

That first part was really great...it's that stupid little tidbit at the end that gets me. :(

I didn't like the other part much either except for Orton getting some respect:(

[Super Kal]

is there any news on the live Smackdown tonight?

[Eklypze]

what page was that list of little known wrestling facts on? the one that said Lawler and honkey tonk man were cousins and REy mysterio was an extra in FvsJ

could someone please help me out

[Hunter Rider]

what page was that list of little known wrestling facts on? the one that said Lawler and honkey tonk man were cousins and REy mysterio was an extra in FvsJ

could someone please help me out

This is the post with the list

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7263364&postcount=12253

[Eklypze]

thanx so much man by the way what page was it on i must have gone back 25-30 pages almost and couldnt find it at all

[Hunter Rider]

thanx so much man by the way what page was it on i must have gone back 25-30 pages almost and couldnt find it at all

no problem:up:

I dont know how far back it was i just knew Punishermax had posted it so i clicked on his profile and found his last few posts in this thread

[TheVileOne]

They've kind of already done Orton/HBK. Also, HBK already won elimination chamber.

[Eklypze]

well again thanx i wish i wouldve thought about that but all i pretty much know how to do is post and a lil other shxt

[Hunter Rider]

They've kind of already done Orton/HBK. Also, HBK already won elimination chamber.
I don't see why that matters,CM Punk fought Joe on three shows in 6 months,Aj and Joe are about to have their second match in the sapce of a few months

HBK and Orton have only had 1 PPV match and it was years ago,it would be a damn sight better than HHH vs Cena or Orton vs Batista

[Hunter Rider]

well again thanx i wish i wouldve thought about that but all i pretty much know how to do is post and a lil other shxt

Happy to helphttp://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon12.gif

[Sabretooth]

I don't see why that matters,CM Punk fought Joe on three shows in 6 months,Aj and Joe are about to have their second match in the sapce of a few months

HBK and Orton have only had 1 PPV match and it was years ago,it would be a damn sight better than HHH vs Cena or Orton vs Batista
Orton vs. Batista could be great. These guys have serious history and I think with just a little bit more conditioning Batista will hold his own.

[Hunter Rider]

Orton vs. Batista could be great. These guys have serious history and I think with just a little bit more conditioning Batista will hold his own.
Batista and Orton have history but thats all,Batista is 42 in a couple of months and is so full of steroids that he is winded in every match and has to do continuous rest spots.
Orton will have to carry the match,i mean this is a guy that even sucked with Eddie (R.I.P.:( )

[Sabretooth]

Batista isn't that bad. He hasn't gotten to Cena's level with the crowd...yet.

And Orton is good,but unless he seriously improves in the coming months,it's gonna be impossible to carry himself and Batista.:o

[Hunter Rider]

Batista isn't that bad. He hasn't gotten to Cena's level with the crowd...yet.

And Orton is good,but unless he seriously improves in the coming months,it's gonna be impossible to carry himself and Batista.:o

Batista may not be getting booed like Cena but his matches are much worse