Wrestling

[Sabretooth]

His power basically puts him over all by itself.

[Hunter Rider]

His power basically puts him over all by itself.

M3h,power doesn't make a good match,he only has 2 moves ,look at him compared with Samoa Joe,

[Colossal Spoons]

4 moves and a kick-ass entrance, get it right please.

[Hunter Rider]

4 moves, get it right please.

LOL well there's the spine buster and the Power bomb,and occasionaly the powerslam..what is the 4th ?:confused:

[Colossal Spoons]

The spears to the gut in the turnbuckle.

[Hunter Rider]

The spears to the gut in the turnbuckle.

ahh right well technically those are strikes not move's,but that's just me being a smarkhttp://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon12.gif

[Sarge 2.0]

Someone else compiled a Batista moveset on another forum:


Batista bomb: Everytime.
Side walk slam: Hell In A Cell Vengance 05
Spinebuster: Everytime.
Back breaker w/bridge. Armageddon 03
Single leg crab: RAW January 6th.
Running powerslam: Wrestlemania XXI
Emerald fusion: Wrestlemania XXI
Superperfectplex: January 06
Slingshot: Backlash 05
Big boot: Wrestlemania XXI
Goldberg slam: Elimination Chamber NYR
Bearhug: Armageddon 03
Small Package (giggles): No Mercy 05
Various chinlocks: Various matches that go 20 mins plus
Mark Henry slam: recent smackdown matches
Spear: Recent smackdown matches.

[Hunter Rider]

Emerald fusion: Wrestlemania XXI
Superperfectplex: January 06
.

LOL there calling that counter to the pedigree an Emerald Fusion ?:eek:
and looks like he can travel forward in time to do that superperfectplexhttp://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif

[Sarge 2.0]

Yes well, you'll have to bring that up with dudelovebaby over at the bat squad forums. ;)

[Hunter Rider]

Yes well, you'll have to bring that up with dudelovebaby over at the bat squad forums. ;)

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gifim just messing sarge,ya know i get puristy:confused: at times about these muscle guys

[Sarge 2.0]

I can tell. ;)

Yeah, I was just putting in the two cents that I found from a similar arguement. I'm not too big on Batista either.

[Colossal Spoons]

Single leg crab: RAW January 6th

What the hell was Dave doing submission moves for? lol He makes people bleed, not tap.

[Mr. Socko]

Well it looks like Orton is going to win the Rumble and main event Mania for SD.

I wonder if it'll be against Batista

[Hunter Rider]

I can tell. ;)

Yeah, I was just putting in the two cents that I found from a similar arguement. I'm not too big on Batista either.

I gotta ask,did you think Masters looked a bit better on RAW ? i found myself thinking he seemed to move and time his stuff better than usual:confused:

[Sarge 2.0]

I gotta ask,did you think Masters looked a bit better on RAW ? i found myself thinking he seemed to move and time his stuff better than usual:confused:Somewhat. Of course, this was just him sucking less than usual by comparison. He looked like a moron in Cena's STF. I think he was surprisingly unsucky in the Elimination match at SS though, he seemed to really step it up.

[Colossal Spoons]

The fact that Kurt couldn't get out of the Masterlock; which is nothing more than a full nelson, baffled me.

[Hunter Rider]

Somewhat. Of course, this was just him sucking less than usual by comparison. He looked like a moron in Cena's STF. I think he was surprisingly unsucky in the Elimination match at SS though, he seemed to really step it up.

"sucking less than usual" i love ithttp://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif
yeah he couldn't get his body in the right place to sell it but i think that might be b/c Cena was choking him for real
He sold Rey well in the SS match i agree

[Hunter Rider]

The fact that Kurt couldn't get out of the Masterlock; which is nothing more than a full nelson, baffled me.

Well in truth not many men could break that for real from a guy Masters size

[Colossal Spoons]

Nice end to the Show/Rey match. :up::up:

[Sarge 2.0]

I don't get to see it for another half hour. :(:down

[Mr. Socko]

Well in truth not many men could break that for real from a guy Masters size

Booker T broke the Masterlock at Mania

And great ending to SD, everything else sucked.

[Hunter Rider]

Booker T broke the Masterlock at Mania

And great ending to SD, everything else sucked.

Not for real he didnt though and what match was that in ?

[Sabretooth]

Whoa. That ending to SD! was ****ing nuts.

[Hunter Rider]

Whoa. That ending to SD! was ****ing nuts.

What happened ?

[Sabretooth]

What happened ?
Rey vs Show match,which should've ended with rey going over clean,ended with kane coming out. They chokeslam Rey,and the Taker comes out. He starts throwing puches and eventually clears the ring,when he turns around,he gets RKO'd.

When Rey came out during his entrance,he brought out Eddie's lowrider. So,after much brawling with the Ortons,Taker gets hit in the head repeatedly with a crowbar. With Taker hanging on to the back of the lowrider,Randy gets in the drivers seat,goes in reverse,and rams into that wall under the titantron.

[Hunter Rider]

Rey vs Show match,which should've ended with rey going over clean,ended with kane coming out. They chokeslam Rey,and the Taker comes out. He starts throwing puches and eventually clears the ring,when he turns around,he gets RKO'd.

When Rey came out during his entrance,he brought out Eddie's lowrider. So,after much brawling with the Ortons,Taker gets hit in the head repeatedly with a crowbar. With Taker hanging on to the back of the lowrider,Randy gets in the drivers seat,goes in reverse,and rams into that wall under the titantron.
:eek: Sounds awesome,i hope we see it here

[punishermax]

The SD Special was good, the ending the great, Taker took a RKO pretty crappy though.

[Sabretooth]

The SD Special was good, the ending the great, Taker took a RKO pretty crappy though.
Yeah,it looked more like a neckbreaker with the way he was positioned.

[The Techno Bat]

I was listening to my local sports radio tonight and heard that Ric Flair was arrested so I did a google news search and found a bunch of articles about it, here is one of them

Ric Flair Surrenders, Talks About Arrest

POSTED: 7:25 pm EST November 29, 2005

Pro wrestling legend Ric Flair was booked by police in Charlotte, N.C., on Tuesday after turning himself in on road-rage charges.

Flair, known in the wrestling world as "Nature Boy", faces misdemeanor charges of simple assault and injury to personal property.

A driver alleged that Flair assaulted him on a highway median last Wednesday night.

According to the complaint, Flair grabbed the man by the neck and threatened him.

The complaint also says Flair kicked the man's SUV.

Flair and his attorney say he is not guilty and will fight the charges.

"Ninety-five percent it's great being Ric Flair, five percent it's not," said the 56-year-old wrestler. "But the people here in Charlotte in that system right here treated me like a million bucks."

Flair and his lawyer also denied there was a road-rage incident.

[Go Web Go!]

The SD Special was good, the ending the great, Taker took a RKO pretty crappy though.

Is there any other way to take an RKO? It's a pretty weak move to begin with. A suplex looks more like it would put an opponent away than the RKO, :confused:

[punishermax]

UT swung around way too far when Orton jumped and he landed on his back like Sabretooth said, it looked like a neck breaker. I don't agree that the RKO looks bad most times, I'm just tired of seeing the Ace crusher variations.

[GLfan]

SPOILERS* The Scheduled Royal Rumble Winner Revealed






The Randy Orton push will be going into maximum overdrive as he is penciled in to win the 2006 Royal Rumble in Miami, Florida. Orton will then go on to Wrestlemania to take on Batista for the World Heavyweight Title. He is expected to defeat Batista and take home the gold. WWE is very adament about making up for Orton's first title reign in 2004, which they consider to be disappointing. WWE feels that Orton will be one of the top stars of the future. Batista is 40 years and WWE feels his days on top are limited.

Also, it doesn't look like Cena is losing his WWE title anytime soon as he is expected to retain it past Wrestlemania and beyond. He is scheduled to take on Triple H and defeat him.

Let's discuss

[TheVileOne]

This was terrible. They had Big Show SPITTING on Eddie's lowrider. Then it ends with the lowrider being set on fire. Eddie Guerrero passed away 16 days ago. Someone please tell me how that's a fitting tribute.

WWE, **** you WWE. You disgust me. You are garbage and trash.

[GLfan]

This was terrible. They had Big Show SPITTING on Eddie's lowrider. Then it ends with the lowrider being set on fire. Eddie Guerrero passed away 16 days ago. Someone please tell me how that's a fitting tribute.

WWE, **** you WWE. You disgust me. You are garbage and trash.
I think this was done to signify our having to move on, we can't stay in mourning forever though painful as it may be. RIP Eddie, you surely are missed!!:(

[LastSunrise1981]

I think this was done to signify our having to move on, we can't stay in mourning forever though painful as it may be. RIP Eddie, you surely are missed!!:(

That's complete and utter BS if you ask me. We could've moved on without the lowrider or Rey dedicating the match to Eddie, what was done in my opinion was very disrespectful and distasteful to the memory of Eddie.

The WWE enjoys blind people who sit back and accept their crap driven product without questions or hesitation. What I saw was a direct attempt to garner cheap heat and a way to piss everyone off; which is what they succeeded in.

I knew things were going bad when Rey dedicated the match to Eddie and Big Show acting like a heel, something told me that it was going to end in a very distasteful manner and it did.

Sorry I don't accept it and as far as I'm concerned, the WWE can go to Hell for all I care.

[Go Web Go!]

Orton winning the Rumble? Bleh. I don't think I want to go anymore...

[Keyser Soze]

I'm happy with Randy Orton's push. In terms of in-ring ability and potential, I think he surpasses both Cena and Batista. He was badly damaged by the moronic decision to turn him face and give him the belt too early, but through hard work he's regained his credibility. I'd like to see him win the belt at Wrestlemania.

As for what happened at Smackdown, I'm disgusted. Doing something like that makes a mockery of the tribute to Eddie Guerrero. I'm too angry to even say anything.

[Hunter Rider]

Ive just been reading the stuff about the lowrider,I honestly don't think Eddie would have minded the part about Randy using it to take out Taker but the cheap heat use of it is tacky but the part i think is completely unacceptable is Big show spitting on it:mad: :down

It seems this 1 hour show had zero purpose
why were Rey and Show fighting in the first place ? how is Show a heel on SD and a face on RAW ?
It's all moronic

[Bad Superman]

This was terrible. They had Big Show SPITTING on Eddie's lowrider. Then it ends with the lowrider being set on fire. Eddie Guerrero passed away 16 days ago. Someone please tell me how that's a fitting tribute.

WWE, **** you WWE. You disgust me. You are garbage and trash.

WTF???????????

Oh man. . . I think Vince really went too far this time. :down

[0neDisturbedSOB]

Batista isn't that bad. He hasn't gotten to Cena's level with the crowd...yet.

And Orton is good,but unless he seriously improves in the coming months,it's gonna be impossible to carry himself and Batista.:o

Batista is WAY more over with the crowd than Cena is. I can't remember the last time I heard Batista get bood even in the slightest.

[Bad Superman]

Also, it doesn't look like Cena is losing his WWE title anytime soon as he is expected to retain it past Wrestlemania and beyond. He is scheduled to take on Triple H and defeat him.

How the heck are the bookers going to keep Cena champion all this time and after Wrestlemania? Are they freaking blind and deaf???

[Hunter Rider]

Ive been reading about what Rey did during the segment,the match was all pointless and counter booking to RAW and should never have been a tribute match but Rey's actions disappoint me more than anyone's
how could you Rey,whore your familia's death for cheap pops:( :down

[0neDisturbedSOB]

Batista and Orton have history but thats all,Batista is 42 in a couple of months and is so full of steroids that he is winded in every match and has to do continuous rest spots.
Orton will have to carry the match,i mean this is a guy that even sucked with Eddie (R.I.P.:( )

Actually Batista's DOB is listed as January 18th 1966 which would make him 39yrs old. You can check his official site for a Q&A where someone asks his REAL age....

"When Batista resigned with the WWE this past January, it was revealed that he had been working under a fake age (a common practice in the entertainment field where age can hurt you). When he resigned he admitted that he was actually 39 years old."

credit: wrestlingobserver

[Hunter Rider]

Actually Batista's DOB is listed as January 18th 1966 which would make him 39yrs old. You can check his official site for a Q&A where someone asks his REAL age....

Ok.. I came across this awhile ago... and I thought that maybe ya'll would like to see somewhat of where the rumor comes from... lol.. either way he doesn't look a day older than 30...

"When Batista resigned with the WWE this past January, it was revealed that he had been working under a fake age (a common practice in the entertainment field where age can hurt you). When he resigned he admitted that he was actually 39 years old."

credit: wrestlingobserver

Hmmmmmmmmm well i had heard he was 42 coming up but i guess the sites i read it on were wrong,still at 40 he should not be the top man especially given how limited he is IMO

[0neDisturbedSOB]

I don't think age should have anything to do with it because look at the following DOB's

Chris Benoit - May 21st 1967 = 38yrs old

Undertaker - March 24th 1965 = 40yrs old

HHH - July 20th 1970 = 35yrs old

Eddie Guerrero - October 9th 1967 = 38yrs old

Kurt Angle - December 9th 1968 = 37yrs old

Shawn Michaels - July 22nd 1965 = 40yrs old

Those are all top guys, and the youngest one is HHH at 35yrs old. I don't think age SHOULD be a factor because most of these guys are pushing 40yrs old themselves. You can argue about ability, but these guys are all pretty much the same age.

[LastSunrise1981]

WTF???????????

Oh man. . . I think Vince really went too far this time. :down

Damn right Vince went too far and he disgusts me for what he did. I wouldn't have had a problem if it was Rey's lowrider, but this is Eddie Guerrero and people are still grieving from this tragic loss.

What WWE and Vince did was and is very inexcusable. Rey shares the blame as well; he shouldn't have dedicated this match to Eddie at all.

[Hunter Rider]

I don't think age should have anything to do with it because look at the following DOB's

Chris Benoit - May 21st 1967 = 38yrs old

Undertaker - March 24th 1965 = 40yrs old

HHH - July 20th 1970 = 35yrs old

Eddie Guerrero - October 9th 1967 = 38yrs old

Kurt Angle - December 9th 1968 = 37yrs old

Shawn Michaels - July 22nd 1965 = 40yrs old

Those are all top guys, and the youngest one is HHH at 35yrs old. I don't think age SHOULD be a factor because most of these guys are pushing 40yrs old themselves. You can argue about ability, but these guys are all pretty much the same age.

Yeah but all those guys were top guys for a long time before hitting that age ,to try and make a top guy aged 40 is a mistake IMO and thats without even mentioning that all those guys are a whole ton more talented than he is

[0neDisturbedSOB]

Again, I make reference to Benoit and Guerrero who weren't "top guys" in the WWE until 2004 when they were both 36-37yrs old. Angle has been a main eventer for a few years, as well as HBK and UT who have been "top guys" since the 90's.

[Hunter Rider]

Again, I make reference to Benoit and Guerrero who weren't "top guys" in the WWE until 2004 when they were both 36-37yrs old. Angle has been a main eventer for a few years, as well as HBK and UT who have been "top guys" since the 90's.

With Benoit and Eddie though they had put on a lot of great matches over the previous ten years and been continuous US and IC champs so they were seasoned
Batista came at 39 from doing nothing in 2004 until the November (other than be a lackey) to headlining WM21 due to the mess they made of Ortons angle

[Hunter Rider]

Got this post from another board that sums up the mass confusion and anger well IMO


As for the main event though...What in THE HELL? I'd hate to describe that whole half hour to a WWE newcomer or a non-wrestling fan.

"Why is a Raw guy on Smackdown! when the feud between the two rosters seemed to end on Sunday?"
"I don't know"
"Why is the music of a dead wrestler playing?"
"I don't know"
"Why was Big Show a face 24 hours earlier and is playing the heel here? Why was Big Show disgusted with how HHH treated Flair when he's doing the same to Mysterio?"
"I don't know"
"Why is Big Show spitting on Eddie's Lowrider when he was visably upset by his death just a couple of weeks earlier?"
"I don't know"
"Why is a tribute to Eddie being used as a spot in a match?"
"I don't know"
"Oh look, interference, why hasn't the referee called for the bell?"
"I don't know"
"Why is Kane, a Raw guy, appearing on Smackdown! and no one seems to care when last week anyone who showed up on a different show was attacked by half of the other show's roster?"
"I don't know"
"Undertaker isn't saving Rey because he's loyal to Smackdown!, because on Sunday he attacked half the SD! roster. So why is he here?"
"I don't know"
"Why did Kane walk away then come right back? Did he suddenly realise his hatred for his brother half way up the ramp?"
"I don't know"
"Oh, Orton's here, where did Kane/Show/Rey go?"
"I don't know"
"Why did Undertaker sell the RKO like a spinning neckbreaker when he's taken about 50 of them since March?"
"I don't know"
"Why is a tribute to Eddie being used as a plot device to "kill" another wrestler? Why was it set on fire? Wasn't it insulting enough that Taker came out of a flaming coffin on Sunday night as Michael Cole shouted "THE DEAD HAS RISEN"?"
"Oh, I know this one. Vince has no moral sense of right and wrong, he only cares about shocking people into watching, and thinks that people will buy into the fact that NO SERIOUSLY UNDERTAKER IS REALLY DEAD THIS TIME, WE REALLY MEAN IT TONIGHT, 'KAY?"

None of that last half hour made sense. Not one part.

[Sarge 2.0]

Aside from the last two, I agree with that....why was the special even done at all? Other than tarnishing Eddies memory so that they can further another feud, it was pointless and confusing.

[0neDisturbedSOB]

Anyone catch this note?

Devin Grandchamp sent word that commercials have been running in Rhode Island for the upcoming WWE Armageddon PPV on December 18. The commercial is plugging that The Undertaker and Randy Orton will square off in a Hell in a Cell Match for the "vacated" World Heavyweight Title. Batista is listed as the special guest referee and former World Champion for the contest. Other matches announced include the finals of the Best of 7 Series for the WWE United States Title between Booker T & Chris Benoit, a tag team turmoil match for the WWE Tag Team Titles and the debut match of The Boogeyman.

So this would mean that if Orton won the title, he'd go on to WM22 to lose it to Batista? unless UT wins it, drops it to Batista, Orton wins the 2006 RR as planned and then goes on to WM22 to face Batista for the World title.

Then there's this previous note..

The Randy Orton push will be going into maximum overdrive as he is penciled in to win the 2006 Royal Rumble in Miami, Florida. Orton is then scheduled to go on to Wrestlemania to take on Batista for the World Heavyweight Title. WWE is very adamant about making up for Orton's first title reign in 2004, which they consider to be disappointing. WWE feels that Orton will be one of the top stars of the future. Batista is 40 years and WWE feels his days on top are limited. (PWTorch.com)

And some other news...

-Tatanka has officially signed a contract with WWE.

-Mark Henry finally made his return to a WWE ring after a two year absence this past Monday prior to Raw in a dark match.

-2005 Diva Search contestant Kristal debuted at the Smackdown tapings last night. She will be a backstage interview girl.

-Jamie Noble is scheduled to appear on some Smackdown house shows in late December.

-Ohio Valley Wrestling prospect Ken Doane is on the brink of being called up to the Smackdown roster as he is booked to appear on some late-December house shows. Doane is 6'4", 250 pounds and only 19 years old.

[Bad Superman]

Got this post from another board that sums up the mass confusion and anger well IMO

That post is so true. They're improvising feuds/matches along the way. That just proves how the brand split and bad booking has affected WWE. The post perfectly describes the chaos that reigns in WWE.

What about Undertaker? He comes back just to be killed again? He's about to become the "Kenny" of WWE.

[The_Guyver]

**** the WWE for the booking of the 'Tribute' match between Rey and Show, and **** those two for going along with it.

[Hunter Rider]

That's some interesting stuff ODSOB,i wonder if Taker could win it and then Orton beat Taker at Mania to win the belt and achieve what he set out to do last year

I don't know what WWE want with Tatanka:confused:

This Doane will be interesting to see and i hope they use Noble better this time but if these guys are being brought up WTF are they doing with CM Punk ?:mad:

[Hunter Rider]

Aside from the last two, I agree with that....why was the special even done at all? Other than tarnishing Eddies memory so that they can further another feud, it was pointless and confusing.

What did you disagree with on the last 2 points ?

[Hunter Rider]

That post is so true. They're improvising feuds/matches along the way. That just proves how the brand split and bad booking has affected WWE. The post perfectly describes the chaos that reigns in WWE.

What about Undertaker? He comes back just to be killed again? He's about to become the "Kenny" of WWE.

Yeah 2 Taker Death angles in one month is stupid

[The Techno Bat]

Here is what the smoking gun had on Ric Flair's arrest:

Wrestler Ric "The Nature Boy" Flair surrendered to North Carolina cops on misdemeanor charges in November 2005 after being accused of throttling a fellow motorist during a road rage incident. The 56-year-old Flair (real name: Richard Fliehr) was booked by the Mecklenburg County Sheriff's Office, where the below mug shot was snapped. Flair, who allegedly grabbed a Charlotte man by the throat and kicked (and dented) the guy's Toyota during the confrontation, posted $1000 bond and was released.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/graphics/packageart/mugshots/ricflairmug1.jpg

[TheVileOne]

I spit on WWE.

[0neDisturbedSOB]

That's some interesting stuff ODSOB,i wonder if Taker could win it and then Orton beat Taker at Mania to win the belt and achieve what he set out to do last year

I don't know what WWE want with Tatanka:confused:

This Doane will be interesting to see and i hope they use Noble better this time but if these guys are being brought up WTF are they doing with CM Punk ?:mad:

I don't see UT winning the World title and defending it against Orton...I mean how many times have these 2 gone at it? We saw them last WM, and now we might see them this WM too? I'd actually rather see an Orton/Batista World title match at WM22.

For some reason the HIC being for the VACATED World title doesn't sound real to me. I could be COMPLETELY wrong, but it sounds like some fan made BS to help hype the UT/Orton match at Armageddon.

I'm tired of the UT/Orton feud, just like I'm tired of Angle/Cena.

[Sarge 2.0]

What did you disagree with on the last 2 points ?Well, I didn't see the end part, so I didn't see Taker sell the RKO improperly, I think I missed it. I also think that two Taker death angles within a 48 hour period is idiotic, but I found nothing particularly insulting about the return at SS. I find it insulting that he has to be "killed" again though...especially on a faux Eddie tribute. :(

[Hunter Rider]

I don't see UT winning the World title and defending it against Orton...I mean how many times have these 2 gone at it? We saw them last WM, and now we might see them this WM too? I'd actually rather see an Orton/Batista World title match at WM22.

For some reason the HIC being for the VACATED World title doesn't sound real to me. I could be COMPLETELY wrong, but it sounds like some fan made BS to help hype the UT/Orton match at Armageddon.

I'm tired of the UT/Orton feud, just like I'm tired of Angle/Cena.

I agree to an extent although I'm torn b/c while Orton/Taker has run it's course i know they would deliver a good match on the big stage where as with Orton/Batista the angle has history and is fresh but i know the match will be crap

It certainly sounds like a BS rumour though,Batista is gonna tag with Rey at Armageddon against Show/Kane i think and just rest his back that way by using tag matches

[Hunter Rider]

Well, I didn't see the end part, so I didn't see Taker sell the RKO improperly, I think I missed it. I also think that two Taker death angles within a 48 hour period is idiotic, but I found nothing particularly insulting about the return at SS. I find it insulting that he has to be "killed" again though...especially on a faux Eddie tribute. :(

Yeah i don't think the SS return was disrespectful and i don't even mind Taker been hit with the low-rider but the death angle is stupid since they "killed" Taker a month ago and he has just returned

As for the RKO i havent seen it either

[0neDisturbedSOB]

I think the Batista/Orton could be somewhat good in that it's WM and the wrestlers usually seem to step it up for that night. I actually thought the HHH/Batista match from last year was pretty decent, and about 100x better than that horrid Cena/JBL match (that looked like something for Heat or Velocity).

Orton/Taker has run it's course and Taker dying every other show is getting ridiculous. How the hell can a "deadman" keep dying? isn't that a bit of a contradiction?

[Sarge 2.0]

I think the Batista/Orton could be somewhat good in that it's WM and the wrestlers usually seem to step it up for that night. I actually thought the HHH/Batista match from last year was pretty decent, and about 100x better than that horrid Cena/JBL match (that looked like something for Heat or Velocity).

Orton/Taker has run it's course and Taker dying every other show is getting ridiculous. How the hell can a "deadman" keep dying? isn't that a bit of a contradiction?My money is on them reverting Taker back to his original persona, before Lord of Darkness...he was a zombie type guy who was impervious to pain or harm.

[Hunter Rider]

I think the Batista/Orton could be somewhat good in that it's WM and the wrestlers usually seem to step it up for that night. I actually thought the HHH/Batista match from last year was pretty decent, and about 100x better than that horrid Cena/JBL match (that looked like something for Heat or Velocity).

Orton/Taker has run it's course and Taker dying every other show is getting ridiculous. How the hell can a "deadman" keep dying? isn't that a bit of a contradiction?

I thought the Batista/HHH match was very mediocre when you look at HBK/Angle and Rey/Eddie early in the night plus they basically telegraphed every spot and rehearsed for weeks before the event so it had no spontaneity or flow IMO

I will say this,i make no secret i hate the Batista style of working but if anyone can carry him to a 3 star match it is Orton as he has the size and athleticism to sell Batista's limited offense

the Taker situation is a mess

[0neDisturbedSOB]

My money is on them reverting Taker back to his original persona, before Lord of Darkness...he was a zombie type guy who was impervious to pain or harm.

That's when UT was good. I even liked him when he did the whole "Ministry" angle, but ever since his "American Badass" gimmick he's gone down IMO. When he returned to the deadman gimmick I was excited to see him REALLY return to it....tattered clothing, gloves...etc, and I was sorely disappointed when he basically put on a trenchcoat and a hat over his "American Badass" ring wear.

[TheVileOne]

The Undertaker is older than 40, I'm fairly certain.

[The Undertaker]

The Undertaker is older than 40, I'm fairly certain.


No one but the 'Taker himself knows his real age as he's never publicly said it but the majority of internet sources list his year of birth as 1965. That would make him 40.

[0neDisturbedSOB]

Eh, I don't mind it because Batista is a large, powerful man and he wrestles accordingly. I've always thought there were 4 styles of wrestling...

Technical - Chris Benoit/Bret Hart
Brawler - "Stone Cold" Steve Austin/John Cena (which he just started doing)
Cruiserweight - Self explanitory
Powerhouse - Batista/Brock Lesnar

Yes there are people who blend the styles, but for the most part those are the basic styles that are borrowed from.

Batista doesn't try to be something he's not. He is the type of guy that would just overpower you and beat your ass. Benoit is the guy that would hit you with multiple moves, wear you out, and then make you submit. Austin is the guy that would get into a fist fight with you, and the cruiserweights are the type that would do all sorts of high flying crazy ass moves...it's all relative to the category you fit in.

Batista uses POWER MOVES, he's not relying on submissions or high flying moves...he sticks to what he knows. Look at what happened when a guy Batista's size (Brock Lesnar) attempted to do that shooting star....it almost broke his neck, and certainly made him think twice about it.

So IMO, Batista does a good job for what he's suited for...POWER. If Chris Benoit tried to be a brawler, it just wouldn't work out because at his size his technical abilities far surpass any brawling abilities he might have. If I was Batista, I wouldn't be attempting any moves that Benoit does because I'd look like a fool...but on the same token if I were Benoit, I wouldn't be attempting any of Batista's moves because he just doesn't fit the category.

[Ultimate_Superman]

No one but the 'Taker himself knows his real age as he's never publicly said it but the majority of internet sources list his year of birth as 1965. That would make him 40.If you want to find his true age look up his stats when he played College basketball.

[0neDisturbedSOB]

Man, there is NO WAY I could picture The Undertaker in a basketball jersey running up and down the court. I could just see it now...

"'Taker pass me the ball!"

Then when he goes to slam dunk he rolls his eyes in the back of his head and says "rest in peace" just as he slams it in.

[Hunter Rider]

Batista isn't anywhere near in Lesnars league though
Brock had talent,he had technique and skill as well as being fast with great athletisicm and he could sell other ppl's moves as he was a good bumper
Batista is like the terrible big man of the early 90's IMO,
He is most like Sid,let the other guy do all the work and rest spot all the time cos he's continuously winded and then get your 3 generic moves in
Like i say though Orton may be able to help him the way Rock did for Goldberg
I can't believe WWE thought he was a better choice than Samoa Joe:confused:

[0neDisturbedSOB]

Once Lesnar opened his mouth, all hope was lost for me. IMO Brock wasn't all people make him out to be. I remember watching some of his matches and thinking "this guy is ridiculous" he must have used about 30 clotheslines and then the F5...WOW. I'm not saying Batista's better, but IMO Brock lacked one MAJOR thing....PERSONALITY. The WM when Brock(face) took on Angle(heel) was ridiculous....Brock was bad as a heel, and even worse as a face. Someone Brock's size is going to go up against Angle with a "odds stacked against him" gimmick going on? honestly now.

Samoa Joe is fun to watch, but I'm not a fan of out of shape wrestlers...it kind of ruins the whole "super human" fantasy of it.

I would love to see a Batista/Lesnar match though. Hopefully it would make up for Lesnar's last WM appearance which was a disgrace. I'm glad he didn't make it in the NFL, those guys would have KILLED him.

[Hunter Rider]

Once Lesnar opened his mouth, all hope was lost for me. IMO Brock wasn't all people make him out to be. I remember watching some of his matches and thinking "this guy is ridiculous". I'm not saying Batista's better, IMO Brock lacked one MAJOR thing....PERSONALITY. The WM when Brock(face) took on Angle(heel) was ridiculous....Brock was bad as a heel, and even worse as a face. Someone Brock's size is going to go up against Angle with a "odds stacked against him" gimmick going on? honestly now.

Samoa Joe is fun to watch, but I'm not a fan of out of shape wrestlers...it kind of ruins the whole "super human" fantasy of it.

I guess we just see things completely different then
Joe to me is what it is about,a guy that can get into the ring and work a stiff kickass match for 60 minutes and has a variety of moves both athletic and powerhouse as well as technical

As for Brock i liked him as a heel and i enjoyed his matches,everytime Batista comes on i am bored as soon as he has done the entrance

There are talented big men like Vader and Brock and then there are just big men like Sid,Nash and Batista IMO

As far as physiques go i really don't like the build guys like Batista and Lashley with all the rippling muscles,i prefer the Bret Hart weight and build for main eventers

[0neDisturbedSOB]

I prefer the smaller, but toned build like Orton has for main eventers, or the "realistic" build that Austin had. The reason I like Austin so much is that he didn't have this unrealistic gimmick going for him like Undertaker, Lesnar, Kane...etc. He was the size of an average guy, but he had more muscle. He looked like someone that had been working out in the fields all their lives...he was the "everyman".

Guys like Lesnar and Batista are almost "comic like" in that they are so big, it's hard to relate to them in any sense.

Samoa Joe is fun to watch, but I would not like to see a guy his build as the champ....I'm just not into out of shape workers. That trend ended with Yokozuna years ago.

The only thing I liked about Brock was the F5....his promos were terrible and the guy had the personality of my shoe.

[Hunter Rider]

I would love to see Joe as champ over any of the recent WWE champs as when i put down my £15 i would know i was getting a great match
he is in a league of his own IMO

I'm curious have you seen him just in TNA or have you seen him in ROH ?

[Hunter Rider]

The only thing I liked about Brock was the F5....his promos were terrible and the guy had the personality of my shoe.

honestly I'm not trying to fight but i fail to see where Batista is any better,his promos are terrible and he has no personality either IMO

[0neDisturbedSOB]

I would love to see Joe as champ over any of the recent WWE champs as when i put down my £15 i would know i was getting a great match
he is in a league of his own IMO

I'm curious have you seen him just in TNA or have you seen him in ROH ?

I have mainly seen him in TNA, but I have seen a few clips from his matches in ROH. I'm not saying he's not a good worker, I'm just saying that I'm not big on out of shape guys as champs....for some reason it just doesn't make sense to me.

[Hunter Rider]

I have mainly seen him in TNA, but I have seen a few clips from his matches in ROH. I'm not saying he's not a good worker, I'm just saying that I'm not big on out of shape guys as champs....for some reason it just doesn't make sense to me.
That's fair enough,i guess its the reverse of my view on guys like Batista who i don't want to see as champ,all just tastes:)

[0neDisturbedSOB]

honestly I'm not trying to fight but i fail to see where Batista is any better,his promos are terrible and he has no personality either IMO

Both guys were the best when they were the "silent monsters". I even liked Batista when HHH was treating him like nothing more than some hired muscle....he would talk slow for him...etc, you could tell Batista wanted to kick his ass right there.

Brock was AWESOME when he came out against the Hardy Boyz...when he took that chairshot to the face I almost fell over in amazement, after he jumped to Smackdown and started cutting promos he lost me.

Batista is NOT good at promos, and niether is Brock, but Batista at least shows personality...his entrances proves that, it's exciting and it let's you know who the champ is. Brock was about as 1 dimensional as they come, and as I said before....his match against Goldberg was an embarassment for professional wrestling in general.

[Hunter Rider]

Both guys were the best when they were the "silent monsters". I even liked Batista when HHH was treating him like nothing more than some hired muscle....he would talk slow for him...etc, you could tell Batista wanted to kick his ass right there.

Brock was AWESOME when he came out against the Hardy Boyz...when he took that chairshot to the face I almost fell over in amazement, after he jumped to Smackdown and started cutting promos he lost me.

Batista is NOT good at promos, and niether is Brock, but Batista at least shows personality...his entrances proves that, it's exciting and it let's you know who the champ is. Brock was about as 1 dimensional as they come, and as I said before....his match against Goldberg was an embarassment for professional wrestling in general.

I think Brock had more going for him than Batista personally and his buyrates showed he was reaching the audience but i agree both were best as monsters

[TheVileOne]

Brock Lesnar used to do the shooting star press on a regular basis before he was in WWE.

[Hunter Rider]

Brock Lesnar used to do the shooting star press on a regular basis before he was in WWE.

Really ? what is your view on this whole Joe,Batista,Lesnar thing ?

[Hunter Rider]

From WWE.com: When contacted to confirm his appearance on Byte This! tonight, Randy Orton had the following statement: "I have no regret for what I did last night to the Undertaker. I've made my career killing legends and I made sure the Undertaker will never return again. And the only place to find out what's next for Randy Orton is Friday Night Smackdown. I will make my intentions known to the world then!"

John Cena is on The Coachcast on WWE.com where they do a rap-off with each other.

PWInsider reports that the plan for Armageddon is to do Big Show and Kane vs. Rey Mysterio and Batista.

Woohooo!!!! i guessed right for once:O http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif

[TheVileOne]

Well I think Lesnar was great but he left, so I don't think too highly of that.

Also OneDisturbedSOB is an idiot. Joe is NOT out of shape. Apparently because a guy doesn't look like a roided up and cut freak like Batista, that automatically means he's out of shape. Newsflash OneDisturbedSOB, you can't do what Samoa Joe does and be out of shape.

Here's what you can do, watch a Yokozuna match. THEN watch a Samoa Joe match then see the damn difference. Samoa Joe is 280 lb, Yokozuna before he passed was pushing 600 lb.

Look at Mic Foley, he was always a fat guy, but that never means he wasn't in ring shape when he had to work.

[0neDisturbedSOB]

Brock Lesnar used to do the shooting star press on a regular basis before he was in WWE.

Yeah but after he almost broke his neck I bet he's about done with that move.

[0neDisturbedSOB]

Well I think Lesnar was great but he left, so I don't think too highly of that.

Also OneDisturbedSOB is an idiot. Joe is NOT out of shape. Apparently because a guy doesn't look like a roided up and cut freak like Batista, that automatically means he's out of shape. Newsflash OneDisturbedSOB, you can't do what Samoa Joe does and be out of shape.

Here's what you can do, watch a Yokozuna match. THEN watch a Samoa Joe match then see the damn difference. Samoa Joe is 280 lb, Yokozuna before he passed was pushing 600 lb.

Look at Mic Foley, he was always a fat guy, but that never means he wasn't in ring shape when he had to work.

Oh boy here we go with the name calling :rolleyes: ....you'd think I said something about your family member. A little too "into" wrestling are we?? I said what I said....get over it.

[TheVileOne]

Yeah but after he almost broke his neck I bet he's about done with that move.

Hey, he used to be able to do it and he did it quite well. But he's an idiot and Angle was obviously too far away to actually hit it. I knew when he went to the top rope he wasn't going to be able to hit the move and angle was too far.

[TheVileOne]

Oh boy here we go with the name calling :rolleyes: ....you'd think I said something about your family member. A little too "into" wrestling are we?? I said what I said....get over it.

What you said was ignorant and uninformed. And it proves you don't know jack about wrestling.

[Hunter Rider]

the belt's gotta come off. The crowd turning on a wrestler is irrelevant as long as they believe in that wrestler. Cena vs Angle is the ultimate bad marriage. While Angle's out there busting his ass trying to pull a great match out of Cena, it's just serving to show how bad Cena is. Angle's best efforts keep running into Cena's transparently awful offense. His punches are positively JudyBagwellian.
And his ridiculous overacting at the end of the show was just painful. I get that he "snapped," but the neverending Parkinson's tremble didn't look tough, it looked like he needed to see a doctor.
I freely admit I've never been a Cena fan. He's Vanilla Ice w/o the cool Queen samples behind him. Jamie Dundee made a better street thug than John Cena. They should have PG-13 run in and beat him down with the hubcaps while Ron Simmons looks on approvingly :-D
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[The Techno Bat]

I found a website that lists The Undertaker's birth year as 1962 so that would put him at 43. Here's the link http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0130587/bio

I have never been an Undertaker fan. He has always bored me, and imo doesn't put on a very entertaining match at all, past or present, and when he does those submission moves, come on atleast try to learn how they are supposed to be applied

[0neDisturbedSOB]

What you said was ignorant and uninformed. And it proves you don't know jack about wrestling.

Again, I said what I said...get over it.:up:

[Hunter Rider]

I think Armageddon may be a decent card despite the Orton/Taker feud going on to long a HIAC between the 2 should round the year off well IMO

likely card

HIAC-Taker vs Orton

Batista/Rey vs Kane/Show

Booker vs Benoit -final match

JBL vs Lashley

Kennedy vs Matt Hardy

MNM vs The Mexicools

[0neDisturbedSOB]

News on Batista...

Batista is scheduled to work through his back tear injury as the company really needs him. Some question whether that may be a good move as he could definitely cause more damage.

I think they basically need him to carry the title to WM22 when Orton takes it off of him.

[Hunter Rider]

News on Batista...

Batista is scheduled to work through his back tear injury as the company really needs him. Some question whether that may be a good move as he could definitely cause more damage.

I think they basically need him to carry the title to WM22 when Orton takes it off of him.


I guess so,i would personaly just have him job it to Benoit but looks like thats not the plan:(

[White_Howling]

Batista working with a back injury is just bad news. they would be better off giving the belt to someone else.. more or less hes done all hes can with the belt any way... i know the fans cheer when he slams big show onto the mat. but after you've see it four thousand times.. it loses its meaning.

[The Techno Bat]

I didn't get to watch Smackdown last night because I thought it was on at 8 but it was on at 9 and I taped it for 8 to 9, anyway a buddy told me that Benoit looked like he really got hurt in his match with Booker T and the ending to the match was really wierd, does anybody know what happened?

[White_Howling]

I didn't get to watch Smackdown last night because I thought it was on at 8 but it was on at 9 and I taped it for 8 to 9, anyway a buddy told me that Benoit looked like he really got hurt in his match with Booker T and the ending to the match was really wierd, does anybody know what happened?

suicide dive onto the out side.. and he banged his head against the guard rail

[The Techno Bat]

suicide dive onto the out side.. and he banged his head against the guard rail

thanks, do you think he really hurt himself, maybe reinjuring his neck?

[Sabretooth]

It really should've ended with a clean victory over Show. It doesn't make sense how Big SHow would do that when a couple of weeks ago he was crying at the tribute?

I realize the show must go on,but it makes no sense. Undertaker has already risen,he doesn't need to be killed AGAIN,have another return AGAIN,and then go in that cycle.

[Twitch]

I guess so,i would personaly just have him job it to Benoit but looks like thats not the plan:(

Benoit vs. Orton would be awesome, It could be a very cool fuend. Since Orton poses more of a threat to Chris, since SS '04 (pulling the "upset"). he could play mind games with him also. Using Eddie's death but in a intelligent way could be so awesome and will make Orton the scum of the earth and the next Rock :up:

Also who else wants Rey to go back to the masks he used in ECW?

[White_Howling]

thanks, do you think he really hurt himself, maybe reinjuring his neck?


taken from wwe.com

"The fearless Chris Benoit once again put his body on the line in Match No. 2 against Booker T. But a suicide dive gone bad and a nasty spill from the ring apron left The Cripper defenseless and grasping at his head and surgically repaired neck. Sensing the opening, Booker went to the ropes and delivered his high-impact axe-kick finisher. The win gave Booker T a 2-0 lead in the best-of-seven series, and perhaps just as importantly proved that the dangerous veteran could beat Benoit without direct assistance from his wife Sharmell."

dunno i know hes hurt his neck before.. or it might just be part of the match

[Hunter Rider]

It really should've ended with a clean victory over Show..

you can't really have Rey go clean over Show as it looks to far fetched and especially now with Show setting up to feud with HHH

[Hunter Rider]

Benoit vs. Orton would be awesome, It could be a very cool fuend. Since Orton poses more of a threat to Chris, since SS '04 (pulling the "upset"). he could play mind games with him also. Using Eddie's death but in a intelligent way could be so awesome and will make Orton the scum of the earth and the next Rock :up:

Also who else wants Rey to go back to the masks he used in ECW?

It was always a shame that Randy and Chris never got to finish their feud after SS2004 and Mania would Eb a great opportunity to re-ignite it IMO

[Hunter Rider]

Credit: PWInsider.com

As of last word, the plan was to keep Eric Bischoff on RAW with some sort of 'swerve' angle next week.

Hmmmmmmmmmmm.........sounds like another bad desicion

[The Techno Bat]

Remember when Rey Mysterio was mowing down the big guys in WCW back in the day? Kevin Nash, Scott Norton, and Bam Bam Bigelow? Those were cool and exciting matches

[The Ghoul]

Well I think Lesnar was great but he left, so I don't think too highly of that.

Also OneDisturbedSOB is an idiot. Joe is NOT out of shape. Apparently because a guy doesn't look like a roided up and cut freak like Batista, that automatically means he's out of shape. Newsflash OneDisturbedSOB, you can't do what Samoa Joe does and be out of shape.

Here's what you can do, watch a Yokozuna match. THEN watch a Samoa Joe match then see the damn difference. Samoa Joe is 280 lb, Yokozuna before he passed was pushing 600 lb.

Look at Mic Foley, he was always a fat guy, but that never means he wasn't in ring shape when he had to work.

Oh boy here we go with the name calling :rolleyes: ....you'd think I said something about your family member. A little too "into" wrestling are we?? I said what I said....get over it.

I can't respect the name calling... (ok I can respect it I just can't defend it) But what he is saying is you have misused the term "out of shape" I myself am not athletic in that I don't play baseball, football, ect. I am 18yrs old, 5'7 & 200lbs with no muscle all fat. I smoke & drink (along with other things) But I am told by my family & friends & others on how athletic I am. I am fast, I am strong & fairly flexible for my size. Joe is not out of shape just because he isn't on Krietine or steroids. because bodies like Lesner, Batista, ect. are not natural. Joe is a natural human body.That is actually standard in Somoa (even though Joe was from California I think he really is of Somoan discent) He is geneticlly fat, not buffet fat. he is kinda flabby, but by no means "out of shape" thus rendering what you said ignorant.

[Sabretooth]

you can't really have Rey go clean over Show as it looks to far fetched and especially now with Show setting up to feud with HHH
They could've ended it with Rey hitting Show with the chair shots,then end it with the Frogslpash and it would've been believeable. They shouldn't have dedicated it to Eddie if theyw ere gonna pull the crap that they did.

[Hunter Rider]

They could've ended it with Rey hitting Show with the chair shots,then end it with the Frogslpash and it would've been believeable. They shouldn't have dedicated it to Eddie if theyw ere gonna pull the crap that they did.

I certainly think Eddie's name should not have been brought into an angle ever

[The Ghoul]

They could've ended it with Rey hitting Show with the chair shots,then end it with the Frogslpash and it would've been believeable. They shouldn't have dedicated it to Eddie if theyw ere gonna pull the crap that they did.

:up: I had a long winded rant about that. But you pretty much summed it up right there.

[The Undertaker]

I found a website that lists The Undertaker's birth year as 1962 so that would put him at 43. Here's the link http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0130587/bio

I have never been an Undertaker fan. He has always bored me, and imo doesn't put on a very entertaining match at all, past or present, and when he does those submission moves, come on atleast try to learn how they are supposed to be applied

Thats the last site I'd go for wrestling info.

I won't reply to the second part because obviously I feel different. :D

[Keyser Soze]

Okay, a lot of things I want to comment on base don what's been said:

BATISTA
Okay, the guy isn't a good technical wrestler, and he isn't good on the mic. But as someone else stated, he's a strong powerhouse wrestler. A powerhouse shouldn't be expected to be technically adpet, all they need to do is go out there and look strong and menacing, which Batista pulls off fine. And i respect the fact that he's got over pretty much on his own cool factor, rather than through a manufactured gimmick shoved down fan's throats, and no, I won't mention John Cena's name.

BROCK LESNAR
One of the biggest wasted opportunities in WWE history. The guy was just as convincing a powerhouse as Batista. Yet as well as fitting in this category, he also fitted into the technical category, being among the 5 best in-ring workers in the WWE during his tenure. And though his mic skills were initially bland, he was getting better and better on the mic every week, particularly during his last heel run. If he'd been around for another year, he'd ahve become the total package. And it's a shame he threw away a potentially long, successful career for his NFL pipe-dream.

SAMOA JOE
I don't know who said Samoa Joe is out of shape. But whoever did, I won't insult them. Instead, I recommend they watch more of his ROH stuff. He fought to not one, but two 60 minute draws with CM Punk, with a third match lasting over half an hour. Their second match on 16th October 2004 (on an event fittingly called "Joe VS Punk II") is in my opinion a strong contender for best match of all time - definitely in my top ten. It takes great conditioning to be able to go for 60 minutes in a match: I'd like to see a lot of the WWE roster try it. Joe is Samoan, and without being racist, I must say I've never seen a Samoan who wasn't fat. But just read various interviews with him - he goes to the gym 4 times a week, and also takes various judo classes to keep in shape. Don't let his seemingly flabby appearance decieve you: in-ring he's much closer to Chris Benoit than to Yokozuna. His nearly 2-year reign as ROH World Champion is, in my opinion, the best title reign of recent years, far more impressive than any reign in WWE or TNA. While current champions can get stale after having the title for a few months, Joe ended his reign with the fans wanting more. When I hear "The Champ Is Here", I don't think Cena. I think Samoa Joe.

RANDY ORTON/THE UNDERTAKER
I don't get what the cynicism is over this. Apart from the tasteless development last night, I've been enjoying this feud. Nice to see WWE with some long-term booking rather than the old "feud of the month" formula. I think Hell In A Cell will provide an explosive end to this feud. And on a sidenote, I think The Undertaker has proven he can still deliver when it counts. Look at his criminally underrated heel run during the American Badass era. His match with Ric Flair was one of the best of that year. And no, it wasn't because Ric Flair carried him.

[Hunter Rider]

I agree with everything you said except with Batista i can agree where you and ODSOB are coming from but i don't think a guy like that should be main event

[The Ghoul]

Here Here

[Hunter Rider]

Source: Wrestling Observer Newsletter

-- There was a major shake up in the SmackDown storyline plans at the tapings on 11/22 in England. Randy Orton was supposed to win and take the title from the injured Batista, however that's not how things went down.

With the talk of putting Randy Orton up against several baby faces for a long run as champion, Batista volunteered to work through his rehab, and get in the ring for large shows. WWE decided to keep the title on him for showing this kind of dedication.

The plan was for Orton to square off against The Undertaker in a Hell In The Cell to headline Armageddon. However, with Batista refusing to take any time off, those plans seem to be out the window.

It doesn't look like anyone told Batista to do it, but that he did so both out of gratitude for everything the company has done for him, and also so he doesn't lose his top spot at all the PPVs which is a big money deal.

The big problem for WWE management with this is that Batista is working with a torn lat, after volunteering not to have surgery because of how long he would be out, while at the same time the company is trying to get a handle on the painkiller situation.

[Colossal Spoons]

Batista isn't anywhere near in Lesnars league though
Brock had talent,he had technique and skill as well as being fast with great athletisicm and he could sell other ppl's moves as he was a good bumper
Batista is like the terrible big man of the early 90's IMO,
He is most like Sid,let the other guy do all the work and rest spot all the time cos he's continuously winded and then get your 3 generic moves in
Like i say though Orton may be able to help him the way Rock did for Goldberg
I can't believe WWE thought he was a better choice than Samoa Joe:confused:


His last match against Goldberg negates the sentence I bolded. I was cool with Brock UNTIL he 1. Started talking and 2. Tried to move out of his element and attempt shooting star presses from 3/4 of the way across the ring.

As far a Samoa Joe being "out of shape", I see what ODSOB was talking about. Being 'roided up doesn't mean "in shape", it's an extreme. Samoa Joe is quite flabby. A perfect example of an in shape wrestler would be: Matt Hardy. He's not huge or even cut but he's not fat either.

[TheVileOne]

Sorry, anyone who calls Samoa Joe out of shape and compares him to Yokozuna is a baka, that's the fact.

Samoa Joe in ROH wrestles 30-45 minute matches on a regular basis. And you simply CAN NOT have the one hour MOTYC matches he had with CM Punk and call him out of shape.

I've never seen Batista, Cena, Undertaker, Orton, or even Lesnar for that matter compete in the high quality matches that Joe seems to do on a regular basis. And those WWE guys, I've followed their careers since their beginnings. Joe I've only started watching this year. The guy is a true phenom, no debate.

[The Ghoul]

And to think, he was going to retire be for TNA called him up.

[TheVileOne]

In case anyone STILL doesn't believe me, I direct you to the link for this video:

mms://128.241.238.33/ROH/SSamoaJoe_11_05.wmv

A video by ROH about the legend that is Samoa Joe.

[LastSunrise1981]

Sorry, anyone who calls Samoa Joe out of shape and compares him to Yokozuna is a baka, that's the fact.

Samoa Joe in ROH wrestles 30-45 minute matches on a regular basis. And you simply CAN NOT have the one hour MOTYC matches he had with CM Punk and call him out of shape.

I've never seen Batista, Cena, Undertaker, Orton, or even Lesnar for that matter compete in the high quality matches that Joe seems to do on a regular basis. And those WWE guys, I've followed their careers since their beginnings. Joe I've only started watching this year. The guy is a true phenom, no debate.

Lesnar didn't have high quality matches compared to Joe. However, he did have some classic matches with Angle, Guerrero, and even Benoit.

I'd love to see Lesnar and Samoa Joe have a 30-45 minute match though.

[TheVileOne]

Lesnar didn't have high quality matches compared to Joe. However, he did have some classic matches with Angle, Guerrero, and even Benoit.

I'd love to see Lesnar and Samoa Joe have a 30-45 minute match though.

Look, I thought Lesnar in his short tenure in WWE was GREAT, so don't get me wrong. And yes those matches were classic.

Lesnar/Joe. I think its TECHNICALLY possible. Lesnar IS the NJPW world heavyweight champion. And TNA recently made a talent sharing deal with NJPW so their contracted workers can work and wrestle the talent of NJPW in Japan. I just wonder what it would take to happen.

I think Joe recently had a match in like Australia with Test of all people.

[Eklypze]

yeah whatever happened to test i dont really follow the "inside" stuff about wrestling too much just what i hear on these boards

[TheVileOne]

He was fired a while back while he was out with a neck injury. By a while back I'd say 2004-ish.

[punishermax]

November of 04 to be exact, he was one of the many fired in that month.

[Hunter Rider]

His last match against Goldberg negates the sentence I bolded. I was cool with Brock UNTIL he 1. Started talking and 2. Tried to move out of his element and attempt shooting star presses from 3/4 of the way across the ring.

As far a Samoa Joe being "out of shape", I see what ODSOB was talking about. Being 'roided up doesn't mean "in shape", it's an extreme. Samoa Joe is quite flabby. A perfect example of an in shape wrestler would be: Matt Hardy. He's not huge or even cut but he's not fat either.

You can't negate the man's great performances for one match and as far as Joe goes i think Vile has covered that already,having a natural Samoan build does not make him out of shape

[Keyser Soze]

In case anyone STILL doesn't believe me, I direct you to the link for this video:

mms://128.241.238.33/ROH/SSamoaJoe_11_05.wmv

A video by ROH about the legend that is Samoa Joe.

This was a great video clip. A nice little overview of Samoa Joe's entire ROH career so far. Some great clips of his feuds and classic matches with Christopher Daniels, Paul London, AJ Styles, Homicide, CM Punk, Mick Foley, Kenta Kobashi and Jay Lethal.

And interestingly, this clip showed how underrated Joe is on the mic. I really like his interview style. It's very understated, like he isn't even doing an interview. It's like he's just talking to you, or to his opponent. It may not be flashy like some of the better WWE talkers, but it's not until he's finished that you realised that he's held your attention for 10 minutes. No interviewer, no other wrestler to interact with, just Joe and the camera, with him talking for nearly 10 minutes straight.

But the real highlight of the clip was the match segments. Makes me want to watch "Joe VS Punk II" again.

[Hunter Rider]

This was a great video clip. A nice little overview of Samoa Joe's entire ROH career so far. Some great clips of his feuds and classic matches with Christopher Daniels, Paul London, AJ Styles, Homicide, CM Punk, Mick Foley, Kenta Kobashi and Jay Lethal.

And interestingly, this clip showed how underrated Joe is on the mic. I really like his interview style. It's very understated, like he isn't even doing an interview. It's like he's just talking to you, or to his opponent. It may not be flashy like some of the better WWE talkers, but it's not until he's finished that you realised that he's held your attention for 10 minutes. No interviewer, no other wrestler to interact with, just Joe and the camera, with him talking for nearly 10 minutes straight.

But the real highlight of the clip was the match segments. Makes me want to watch "Joe VS Punk II" again.

That's a great point about how Joe holds the attention for 10 minutes without any gimmicks

thanks for the link Vile,i watched the crappy version on the ROH website the other night but it is great to have the saved version

[The_Guyver]

Look, I thought Lesnar in his short tenure in WWE was GREAT, so don't get me wrong. And yes those matches were classic.

Lesnar/Joe. I think its TECHNICALLY possible. Lesnar IS the NJPW world heavyweight champion. And TNA recently made a talent sharing deal with NJPW so their contracted workers can work and wrestle the talent of NJPW in Japan. I just wonder what it would take to happen.

I think Joe recently had a match in like Australia with Test of all people.

I saw that wrestling event advertised on TV featuring Jeff Jarret and Andrew Martin, had I known Samoa Joe would be wrestling, I would've gone, but he wasn't even mentioned :mad:

[Colossal Spoons]

You can't negate the man's great performances for one match and as far as Joe goes i think Vile has covered that already,having a natural Samoan build does not make him out of shape

It was the part about Lesnar selling other people's moves that I was really focusing on. In most of the matches of his that I'd seen, he looked too anxious to give his opponent the F5 and to hell with their moves. I did like how he destroyed the Hardy Boyz for like a month before ever speaking lol.

[Mister J]

It was the part about Lesnar selling other people's moves that I was really focusing on. In most of the matches of his that I'd seen, he looked to nxious to give his opponent the F5 and to hell with their moves. I did like how he destroyed the Hardy Boyz for like a month before ever speaking lol.

When he destroyed the Hardyz was hilarious. Almoat as good as when Austin and HHH beat the hell out of them. Lesnar did used to no-sell to a certain degree, but I figured some of that was part of his gimmick...to look strong. However, that WMXX match left a bad taste in my mouth...like bad whiskey.

[Hunter Rider]

It was the part about Lesnar selling other people's moves that I was really focusing on. In most of the matches of his that I'd seen, he looked to nxious to give his opponent the F5 and to hell with their moves. I did like how he destroyed the Hardy Boyz for like a month before ever speaking lol.

I see,by selling i was referring to how he bumped off Angle or Benoit's German Suplexes or Takers chokeslams which he always made look crisp

His no selling of pain is similar to what a lot of "monster" wrestlers do

[0neDisturbedSOB]

It was the part about Lesnar selling other people's moves that I was really focusing on. In most of the matches of his that I'd seen, he looked to nxious to give his opponent the F5 and to hell with their moves. I did like how he destroyed the Hardy Boyz for like a month before ever speaking lol.

That's when Brock was awesome, as soon as he opened his mouth I was lost.

[TheVileOne]

This was a great video clip. A nice little overview of Samoa Joe's entire ROH career so far. Some great clips of his feuds and classic matches with Christopher Daniels, Paul London, AJ Styles, Homicide, CM Punk, Mick Foley, Kenta Kobashi and Jay Lethal.

And interestingly, this clip showed how underrated Joe is on the mic. I really like his interview style. It's very understated, like he isn't even doing an interview. It's like he's just talking to you, or to his opponent. It may not be flashy like some of the better WWE talkers, but it's not until he's finished that you realised that he's held your attention for 10 minutes. No interviewer, no other wrestler to interact with, just Joe and the camera, with him talking for nearly 10 minutes straight.

But the real highlight of the clip was the match segments. Makes me want to watch "Joe VS Punk II" again.

Its like the guy says, "I am Samoa Joe. I am pro-wrestling."

[Hunter Rider]

-- WWE.com today posted an article that contains a list of possible names who may take over as RAW GM if Bischoff gets the boot. The list includes the following names...

Dusty Rhodes
Bret Hart
Jerry Jarrett
Paul Heyman
Sgt. Slaughter
Chris Jericho

[0neDisturbedSOB]

No Shane McMahon?

[Hunter Rider]

No Shane McMahon?

yeah i found that strange as well and disapointing i was looking forward to him on RAW,i just hope it isnt Dusty

[Eklypze]

Chris Jericho??? why the hell would they do that and as much as i love Paul Heyman hes better behind the scenes writing and such id say Bret Hart Dusty Rhodes or Sgt Slaughter i have no clue who Jerry Jarret is..I think it would be cool if they did sumthin like bring back good ol JR as GM now that would rock or even make Lawler GM that would be really cool and i think lots of ppl would get into it because theyve been around so long and lots of fans would like to see them doing something besides announcing but if you ask me go with Bret Hart

[0neDisturbedSOB]

Bret would be awesome, but that's such a long shot.

My vote is for Shane to return...it's been too long.

[Hunter Rider]

Bret would be awesome, but that's such a long shot.

My vote is for Shane to return...it's been too long.

I agree on both counts,i very much doubt it will be Sarge or Y2J either

[Eklypze]

why do they hafta get rid of Bishoff though?!?! i love Bishoff hes so entertaining ya wanna get rid of somebody get rid of that retard Teddy Long i hate him so much i used to never watch Smackdown! and when i first saw him on there i had no idea who he was ive never heard of him before he was GM of Smackdown!.. what if they made Hogan GM??? that could be really cool except that theres gonna be that most likely lame ass Hogan vs Austin match. I never saw SummerSlam this year was the HBK Hogan match actually any good?

[Hunter Rider]

why do they hafta get rid of Bishoff though?!?! i love Bishoff hes so entertaining ya wanna get rid of somebody get rid of that retard Teddy Long i hate him so much i used to never watch Smackdown! and when i first saw him on there i had no idea who he was ive never heard of him before he was GM of Smackdown!.. what if they made Hogan GM??? that could be really cool except that theres gonna be that most likely lame ass Hogan vs Austin match. I never saw SummerSlam this year was the HBK Hogan match actually any good?
It was the worst match ive ever seen bar Goldberg/Lesnar

[Colossal Spoons]

Aw, Hogan/HBK wasn't that bad. I think the problem was that Shawn over-sold the match and it make Hogan look bad.

[Hunter Rider]

Aw, Hogan/HBK wasn't that bad. I think the problem was that Shawn over-sold the match and it make Hogan look bad.

I think the main problem was that Hogan is virtually immobile and has no business in a ring anymore,HBK had to do all he could to try and salvage what was another prime example of all hype no end product

[0neDisturbedSOB]

HBK vs Hogan was pretty bad, the two just have no chemistry together.

[Hunter Rider]

HBK vs Hogan was pretty bad, the two just have no chemistry together.

Well that probably came from the backsatge problems
I know you are a fan but don't you think that he should just do tag matches now and not do main events that he clealry isnt capable of doing anymore ?

[Colossal Spoons]

I don't know who could have much chemistry with Hogan besides.....Piper maybe. Even Flair seems to be WAY more lively than Hogan.

[0neDisturbedSOB]

Well that probably came from the backsatge problems
I know you are a fan but don't you think that he should just do tag matches now and not do main events that he clealry isnt capable of doing anymore ?

I am not a die hard Hulk Hogan fan, but I do respect what he has done for the business. Few wrestlers will EVER achieve the level of success that Hogan has reached. However, I DO NOT think Hogan should be a permanent fixture on WWE TV as he is more of a "special attraction" that is better saved for a few appearances a year.

If they were to put on a Austin VS Hogan match I would be cheering for Austin the whole way thru hands down.

[Hunter Rider]

I am not a die hard Hulk Hogan fan, but I do respect what he has done for the business. Few wrestlers will EVER achieve the level of success that Hogan has reached. However, I DO NOT think Hogan should be a permanent fixture on WWE TV as he is more of a "special attraction" that is better saved for a few appearances a year.

If they were to put on a Austin VS Hogan match I would be cheering for Austin the whole way thru hands down.

I don't mind seeing Hogan do matches with a tag partner a couple of times a year but he should never be the last match on in a singles booking now IMO

As for him vs Austin i hope it doesn't happen,i think the match will stink and i want Ausitn(who i am not a fan of but do respect) to have his last Mania match be the good one he had with The Rock not some bloated hype fest with no punch

If Stone Cold wants to do one last match i'd prefer a balls out street fight with HHH or a Legend killer match with Orton

[0neDisturbedSOB]

I don't mind seeing Hogan do matches with a tag partner a couple of times a year but he should never be the last match on in a singles booking now IMO

As for him vs Austin i hope it doesn't happen,i think the match will stink and i want Ausitn(who i am not a fan of but do respect) to have his last Mania match be the good one he had with The Rock not some bloated hype fest with no punch

If Stone Cold wants to do one last match i'd prefer a balls out street fight with HHH or a Legend killer match with Orton

Hogan's last match should involve Vince somehow. That feud put both Austin and the WWE/F on the map in the 90's and basically brought forth the "Attitude era" for the WWF. I still say that Austin vs McMahon is the single greatest feud in wrestling history because it had never been done like that, and it put Austin on par with Hogan in terms of popularity and name recognition.

[Hunter Rider]

Hogan's last match should involve Vince somehow. That feud put both Austin and the WWE/F on the map in the 90's and basically brought forth the "Attitude era" for the WWF. I still say that Austin vs McMahon is the single greatest feud in wrestling history because it had never been done like that, and it put Austin on par with Hogan in terms of popularity and name recognition.

Not being an ass but i take it you mean Austin's last match should involve Vince somehow ?
If so i agree,im not sure how they should use him as i want Austin to work a proper match with a good worker but he should definitely be included

I honestly wish Hogans last match had been the street fight with Vince at WM19 as it was the perfect end to their legacy of being the 2 guys that made wrestling

I agree also that the Austin/McMahon feud was the best ever,i wasnt a huge fan of the matches in the feud but the storylines were very exciting

[0neDisturbedSOB]

Yeah I meant Austin, not Hogan.

If they did decide to go with the Orton/Legend Killer gimmick I think it would be a bad idea because I'm big on Orton going over his opponents right now, but naturally I would want Austin to win his last match.

Austin vs McMahon was the single greatest feud in wrestling history because it spawned so many other classic feuds...Austin vs Ministry, Austin vs The Coprporation (which I thought was one of the best stables of all time), Austin vs The "Corporate Ministry"...etc.

I sort of agree with the Hogan/McMahon match at WM19....it was the perfect way to put an end to an era and a feud that's been building for over 20yrs.

[Hunter Rider]

Well tradition in the wrestling business is to go out on your back and pass the torch so i would love to see Austin do that for Orton

It's a pity Hulk and Vince didn't save their street fight for WM20 as that would have been the total package in terms of a perfect ending IMO

[0neDisturbedSOB]

Yeah, ending it at WM20 would've been the perfect send off but it's one of those things they just had to get out there because they thought it was what people wanted....forget the sentimentality of the match.

Austin did lose his last match, but I'd hardly consider that passing the torch since Rock left shortly there after. I would LOVE to see an Orton VS Rock match, and see Rock pass the torch since he's pretty much done with wrestling anyways.

[Hunter Rider]

Yeah that's why him putting Orton over would be a better passing of the torch IMO however The Rock and Orton would work great as they are both 3rd generation stars,problem is i think there is more chance of Austin working a good build up angle with Randy than there is of getting Rock for more than one night

[Hunter Rider]

Credit: Wrestling Observer Newsletter

-- Parisi, previously known as Johnny Swinger, had knee surgery this past week and the first person to call him was HHH. Not too long ago, he was ribbed heavily for HHH saying he didn't know who he was when asked about him at the Mr. Olympia competition.

-- Thanks to Scott Sandry who sent in that Al Snow has landed a role in the upcoming film They're Just My Friends.

-- Bret Hart was very close to calling off the interview on WWE.com's Byte This when he found out how they were promoting the appearance. He has made it clear he does not want to be billed as returning to WWE. At one point he actually did say it was off, but Shane and Vince changed a few things and eventually convinced him to do it.

[Hunter Rider]

From WWE.com:

Saturday Night's Main Event returns in March
November 30, 2005

Saturday Night's Main Event is returning to NBC this March after a 13-year hiatus. In the mid-1980s through early 1990s, WWE fans would scour the television listings each month ? making sure they didn't miss the highly anticipated special that replaced network staple Saturday Night Live on occasion. When Jon Lovitz, Dennis Miller and Dana Carvey weren't performing comedy sketches, WWE Superstars were squaring off in matches that often took on a pay-per-view feel.

Here are some of the most memorable moments from the original run of Saturday Night's Main Event:

On Nov. 2, 1985, Hulk Hogan & Andre the Giant defeated King Kong Bundy & Big John Studd by disqualification in a match remembered for the size and stature of its participants.

On March 1, 1986, Hulk Hogan retained the WWE Championship against "Magnificent" Don Muraco via disqualification. But this match was infamous for King Kong Bundy's interference and assault. In the end, Muraco and Bundy broke Hogan's ribs.

On May 3, 1986, the British Bulldogs beat Iron Shiek & Nikolai Volkoff in a best two-of-three falls match for the World Tag Team Championship. This was indicative of the strength of the tag team division, which was often spotlighted on Saturday Night's Main Event in multiple-fall battles.

On Jan. 3, 1987, Hulk Hogan battled "Mr. Wonderful" Paul Orndorff in a truly memorable Steel Cage Match for the WWE Championship. Both men scaled the cage and hit the floor simultaneously, causing immense controversy and the restart of the match.

On Oct. 3, 1987, Honky Tonk Man nearly did the unthinkable: strike Elizabeth with his signature guitar during a match against Randy "Macho Man" Savage. Honky was aiming for the head of Savage, but a loving Elizabeth jumped in the way. Ultimately, Honky shoved Elizabeth to the floor and proceeded to smash Savage. Elizabeth rushed to the back and emerged with none other than Hulk Hogan. It was the beginning of the force known as the MegaPowers.

[Hunter Rider]

The following is the full article from wsoctv.com regarding Flair:

CHARLOTTE, N.C. -- Professional wrestler Ric Flair is facing more accusations of violence. His soon-to-be ex wife said he abused her.
Flair is out on bond after being charged with assaulting a man on a Charlotte road.
In May, his wife, Beth, filed for divorce claiming Ric slapped, kicked, choked, and bit her. She also alleges both steroid and alcohol abuse.

Also in the court papers were Ric's legal responses to Beth's claims.

He says that his wife had assaulted him more than once, "striking him about the head and body." He also said he "feared for his phyisical and emotional safety."

But those allegations Ric made agaist his wife Beth this past August are in stark contrast to what he wrote in his autobiography. "To Be The Man" was published just last year. In Chapter 10 he says, "I'm lucky to be her husband". He ends his book saying, "Beth has endured more than a woman should." He continued, saying he planned "on spending the rest of his life proving to her that diamonds are forever."

Note: As noted, Flair current has a scheduled court date in January to respond to claims of simple assault for an apparent 'Road Rage' incident that occurred the day before Thanksgiving. Flair has told the local Charlotte media he would be "exonerated" and denied the charges.

[0neDisturbedSOB]

Looks like Flair can't keep himself out of trouble.

[0neDisturbedSOB]

Yeah that's why him putting Orton over would be a better passing of the torch IMO however The Rock and Orton would work great as they are both 3rd generation stars,problem is i think there is more chance of Austin working a good build up angle with Randy than there is of getting Rock for more than one night

The Rock sort of pisses me off. He leaves the WWE for a short time to film a movie, ok fine. Then the movie gains some success and he leaves again to film another movie...ok fine. Meanwhile he's telling everyone that he'll never be done with wrestling because wrestling is "in his blood". Now that he's had some minor success (the guy's been in some BAD movies) he's basically too good to even TALK about the subject that was supposedly so near and dear to his heart?

The Rock is one of those guys that has this pipe dream of running off to Hollywood to become the next big thing in movies. After a few more "Doom" failures he'll also be the same person begging McMahon to bring him back on a more regular basis because his movie career is almost non-existent anymore.

I would love to see Orton take on Rock and get the clean win over him. It would cement Orton as a true "legend killer" in the business, and give Rocky a chance to pass the torch to someone who has the potential to surpass him in every way. I think Orton beating Rocky would have much more significance than Orton beating Austin, in that Orton is basically a modern day Rock (3rd generation superstar, good looking, good on the mic, WAY better as a heel, started off in a stabel...etc). Like you said though, getting Rock to break himself away from filming his award-winning movies will be tough.

[Hunter Rider]

The Rock sort of pisses me off. He leaves the WWE for a short time to film a movie, ok fine. Then the movie gains some success and he leaves again to film another movie...ok fine. Meanwhile he's telling everyone that he'll never be done with wrestling because wrestling is "in his blood". Now that he's had some minor success (the guy's been in some BAD movies) he's basically too good to even TALK about the subject that was supposedly so near and dear to his heart?

The Rock is one of those guys that has this pipe dream of running off to Hollywood to become the next big thing in movies. After a few more "Doom" failures he'll also be the same person begging McMahon to bring him back on a more regular basis because his movie career is almost non-existent anymore.

I would love to see Orton take on Rock and get the clean win over him. It would cement Orton as a true "legend killer" in the business, and give Rocky a chance to pass the torch to someone who has the potential to surpass him in every way. I think Orton beating Rocky would have much more significance than Orton beating Austin, in that Orton is basically a modern day Rock (3rd generation superstar, good looking, good on the mic, WAY better as a heel, started off in a stabel...etc). Like you said though, getting Rock to break himself away from filming his award-winning movies will be tough.

LOL i agree with everything here,When Rock left i just accepted it and wans't one of the boo boys as it is his right to do as he wants but the fact he can't make time for a few appearances and is now not even mentioning the business that made him i am disappointed in him

You are right that the similarities between him and Orton make the feud one of perfect wrestling symmetry

[The Techno Bat]

Ric Flair is innocent in my eyes..
How come Beth never came out before the divorce? She is trying to stir the pot and make Flair look bad.

[0neDisturbedSOB]

LOL i agree with everything here,When Rock left i just accepted it and wans't one of the boo boys as it is his right to do as he wants but the fact he can't make time for a few appearances and is now not even mentioning the business that made him i am disappointed in him

You are right that the similarities between him and Orton make the feud one of perfect wrestling symmetry

Give it a few more years and Rock will be BEGGING Vince for his job back. Vince should then turn around and turn Rock into nothing more than a glorified jobber who competes in the "Juniors division".

[TheVileOne]

The Rock had a strong start with the movies, but its sort of being pissed away.

Or he just might not have found the movie yet. But his latest ones just keep bombing.

The stuff with Flair is getting kind of creepy. But from the descriptions we've heard...it kind of sounds like he has the ROID RAGE.

[0neDisturbedSOB]

I enjoyed Walking Tall, and PARTS of The Rundown but that's about it. I thought "BE COOL" was terrible, Doom completely bombed, Scorprion King was a joke and his future movies look the same way.

He'll be back....they all come back.

[Keyser Soze]

Give it a few more years and Rock will be BEGGING Vince for his job back. Vince should then turn around and turn Rock into nothing more than a glorified jobber who competes in the "Juniors division".

I'm sorry, but it really pisses me off how some bitter, resentful fans treat The Rock. After the years of hard work he put into the company, I can't believe people would grudge him moving onto mainstream success. Here's what I had to say on the issue earlier:

"And on a side-note, I hate how some fans treat The Rock. I feel sorry for wrestlers. If they go out on a high, like The Rock, and move onto a successful career in film, they are called sell-outs. But on the other hand, if wrestlers stick with wrestling until they are old and beaten down, all we get is complaints about how they should hurry up and retire.

Is that how selfish we are? We want these guys to entertain us until they are too broken-down to do anything else with their lives, then we reject them? Pathetic. I have nothing but good wishes for The Rock. I'm grateful for the entertainment he provided as a wrestler, and I always make sure to check out his movies as a result."

And as for his future films bombing, don't be so sure. Next year, he's set to take the lead role in "Southland Tales", Richard Kelly's long-awaited follow-up to "Donnie Darko". It has the potential to be his biggest role yet, and one that could finally give him the respect as an actor that he deserves.

[Hunter Rider]

Source: PWTorch

Following his departure, Christian has become somewhat of an unsung hero backstage. One insider had the following to say: "The biggest hero of the week is Christian for quitting on his own terms. He's more of a dressing room hero than Jericho, who worked out his notice and stuck around for the Monday Night Raw the night after SummerSlam. Christian is seen as someone who was being pushed into a low downside, and walked out on his own terms."

Much like Jericho, Christian has always been very wise with his money. He never lived a particularly lavish lifestyle and avoiding getting into debts that would tie him down to WWE.

[Hunter Rider]

The traffic for Bret Hart's record-breaking appearance on Byte This last week was so overbearing that it crashed the servers for a few minutes.

The reason as to why WWE officials were so hesitant to finally give Beth Phoenix a developmental contract (she was in OVW on her own for 18 months) was because she was deemed "too thick." She's since streamlined her physique in hopes of nabbing a contract, which she finally did recently. Despite the weight loss, she's still considered to be a bit bigger than WWE would like their WWE Divas to be.

Christy's role at the Ohio Valley Wrestling show taping last night was just a run-in. Aaron Stevens, Beth Phoenix and Shelly Martinez were beating down on Matt Cappotelli and Christy Hemme came out to help clear the ring with Matt.
Chavo Guerrero appeared on "Byte This" last night and he says that he was not offended by the low rider angle on the Smackdown Special. Guerrero actually thought it was a neat stunt and that he's glad it somewhat involved Eddie in a storyline. Guerrero doesn't think the angle was disrespectful.

[TheVileOne]

Its in Guerrero's best interest to say that BS. Considering he works for the company and they finally dropped that Kerwin White ridiculousness. I don't buy his explanation.

[SLYspyder]

I'm sorry, but it really pisses me off how some bitter, resentful fans treat The Rock. After the years of hard work he put into the company, I can't believe people would grudge him moving onto mainstream success. Here's what I had to say on the issue earlier:

"And on a side-note, I hate how some fans treat The Rock. I feel sorry for wrestlers. If they go out on a high, like The Rock, and move onto a successful career in film, they are called sell-outs. But on the other hand, if wrestlers stick with wrestling until they are old and beaten down, all we get is complaints about how they should hurry up and retire.

Is that how selfish we are? We want these guys to entertain us until they are too broken-down to do anything else with their lives, then we reject them? Pathetic. I have nothing but good wishes for The Rock. I'm grateful for the entertainment he provided as a wrestler, and I always make sure to check out his movies as a result."

And as for his future films bombing, don't be so sure. Next year, he's set to take the lead role in "Southland Tales", Richard Kelly's long-awaited follow-up to "Donnie Darko". It has the potential to be his biggest role yet, and one that could finally give him the respect as an actor that he deserves.

took the words right outta my mouth

[TheVileOne]

FYI guys, WWE 24/7 online is apparently FREE for the month of december. I believe the details are on WWE.com.

[Colossal Spoons]

Awesome Vile. I know what I'll be doing when I get home from school. :up:

[PyroChamber]

The reason as to why WWE officials were so hesitant to finally give Beth Phoenix a developmental contract (she was in OVW on her own for 18 months) was because she was deemed "too thick." She's since streamlined her physique in hopes of nabbing a contract, which she finally did recently. Despite the weight loss, she's still considered to be a bit bigger than WWE would like their WWE Divas to be.Exactly what do they consider "Too thick"? What, is her ass big or something; I say bring her on. And is this Shelly Martinez coming to WWE soon? Because I've hear a few things about her, like being incredibly hot.

[TheVileOne]

BTW guys, I recently got some ROH shows discounted from the Black Friday sale. I purchased the 10/14 and 10/29 shows and AJ's volume 2 DVD. What I've seen so far is awesome. Now I'm determined to watch even more ROH.

[Hunter Rider]

BTW guys, I recently got some ROH shows discounted from the Black Friday sale. I purchased the 10/14 and 10/29 shows and AJ's volume 2 DVD. What I've seen so far is awesome. Now I'm determined to watch even more ROH.
Snap!
ive been getting into ROH as well,ive ordered

Final Battle 04
Road to the title
War Of The Wire
At Our Best
World Title Classic
Gen Next

[White_Howling]

where'd you order the dvds?

[Hunter Rider]

where'd you order the dvds?

From their Site http://www.rohwrestling.com/

[0neDisturbedSOB]

I'm sorry, but it really pisses me off how some bitter, resentful fans treat The Rock. After the years of hard work he put into the company, I can't believe people would grudge him moving onto mainstream success. Here's what I had to say on the issue earlier:

"And on a side-note, I hate how some fans treat The Rock. I feel sorry for wrestlers. If they go out on a high, like The Rock, and move onto a successful career in film, they are called sell-outs. But on the other hand, if wrestlers stick with wrestling until they are old and beaten down, all we get is complaints about how they should hurry up and retire.

Is that how selfish we are? We want these guys to entertain us until they are too broken-down to do anything else with their lives, then we reject them? Pathetic. I have nothing but good wishes for The Rock. I'm grateful for the entertainment he provided as a wrestler, and I always make sure to check out his movies as a result."

And as for his future films bombing, don't be so sure. Next year, he's set to take the lead role in "Southland Tales", Richard Kelly's long-awaited follow-up to "Donnie Darko". It has the potential to be his biggest role yet, and one that could finally give him the respect as an actor that he deserves.

I'm not calling him a sell out, I am saying that he is being ridiculous in that he apparently thinks he is "too big" to even mention wrestling anymore, you know the same thing he said was "in his blood" and he'd "never be completely done with". The very fact that Rock refuses to mention wrestling just goes to show how inflated his ego has become. He's had some MAINSTREAM success, but you'd think he was Tom Cruise by the way he's been acting.

Rock is a much better wrestler than an actor. Most of his movies have been pretty bad, or completely bombed. His last movie "DOOM" dropped off 70-75% of it's audience in it's second week....doesn't that say something?

[Ultimate_Superman]

Really the way Rock promotes his movies is doing a few matches or something before they come out so he can atleast get the fans to see it.

[Keyser Soze]

I don't get this "Too big for WWE" thing. I've seen him mention wrestling in plenty of recent interviews. But if you expect him to fall down on his knees and thank Vince McMahon before the start of every interview, then you may be disappointed.

[0neDisturbedSOB]

It's been well publicized that as of late Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson will not answer any questions that are wrestling related.

[Hunter Rider]

Charlotte.com:

Source: http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/entertainment/gossip/13307913.htm

Pro wrestler Ric Flair has been pinned by the IRS over back taxes and is fighting a nasty divorce battle with his wife.

Flair, one of Charlotte's best-known celebrities, owed the federal government $1 million in 1997, according to a statement from his accountant. The IRS began garnishing Flair's wrestling salary this year, seizing more than $200,000 so far.

Flair and his wife Elizabeth separated in February after 22 years of marriage. In a divorce filing, she accuses Flair of "cruel behavior" and says he slapped, kicked, choked, threw, bit and spit on her and pulled her hair.

Her complaint, which was filed in May, also accuses Flair of abusing alcohol and steroids, causing him to become "enraged, paranoid, emotionally unbalanced and violent," and says he exposed himself to her friends and committed adultery.

Flair acknowledges in court filings that he had a "tumultuous" marriage, but he denies the abusive behavior and steroid use and says his wife is trying to humiliate him with the allegations.

He accuses her of destructive behavior and says she hit him -- not the other way around.

Flair, whose real name is Richard Fliehr, and his wife did not return calls for comment.

Flair's attorney also wouldn't comment on the allegations, saying the divorce "isn't news" because it was filed months ago.

"We're defending the case, and we're not going to talk about their domestic problems," said Bill Diehl, perhaps Charlotte's best-known lawyer. "She accused him of being a bad boy. He accused her of being a bad girl. That's where we stand."

Flair was in the news earlier this week after being accused of road rage on Interstate 485.

The divorce case file at the Mecklenburg County Courthouse has grown as thick as two phone books, stuffed with financial records, credit card bills and property tax records.

There's also a letter from the judge, ruling that Flair must pay Elizabeth $20,000 a month until the case is settled, based on their previous living expenses.

Judge Jane Harper says the payment includes $2,000 for gifts, which Harper calls "obscenely high although far less than she says she needs," and $200 for religious contributions. "Whether she makes this or not," the judge writes, "I've included it to encourage someone in this family to share a tiny smidgen of their huge wealth with someone besides themselves."

The judge also says she'll consider freezing the couple's assets until the case is decided, because Flair used money from a retirement account "to get $92,000 for his girlfriend's finger."

Flair, in response to his wife's complaint, denies her charges and says it was her abusive conduct that led him to leave her. His response and counterclaim, filed in August, calls her "emotionally unstable, verbally abusive and physically violent."

He also accuses his wife of hitting him in an effort to provoke him into retaliating physically.

Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police records going back to 2002 don't show any calls for service relating to domestic abuse at the Fliehrs' south Charlotte home.

Elizabeth says she once called police to report abuse and Flair pulled open a wrestling scar to appear bloody, so it would look like she attacked him.

Flair says he and his wife have been separated three times and that she condoned and encouraged his "marital misconduct."

The wrestler says he is involved with a woman who he has taken on trips and bought gifts, but he invokes his right to privacy on the question of whether the relationship is sexual.

Much of the case file deals with the family's financial situation and wrangling over money.

Flair says he and his wife "lived well beyond our means" and racked up substantial debt to the IRS and other creditors.

In an affidavit asking for support payments, Elizabeth estimates that she spends $65,000 a year on clothing and $50,000 on vacations. She said she spent $50,000 on Christmas gifts in 2004. The family also owns a boat, a country club membership, and a house in the Piper Glen neighborhood with an estimated $1.2 million tax value, according to court records.

Flair, known for his "Nature Boy" persona and piercing "Wooooo," said he's due to make $500,000 from his WWE contract this year. But he hasn't received a paycheck since April, he says, due to the IRS' actions.

Flair also says he's concerned about his future in wrestling.

"I am 56 years old," the star writes, "working in a business that demands physical fitness and is dominated by performers much younger than I.

"There is no guarantee that even next year, I will be employed."

Road Rage Charges

Ric Flair was charged last week with injury to personal property and simple assault and battery, both misdemeanors, after a 29-year-old driver filed a complaint against him.

The driver says Flair got out of his vehicle on Interstate 485 in Charlotte on Nov. 23, grabbed him by the neck and then kicked the door of his Toyota 4Runner, leaving a large dent.

Flair told the Observer on Monday that it didn't happen that way. "I didn't do anything wrong at all," Flair said in a phone interview. "As usual, I will be exonerated."

Flair surrendered to authorities at the Mecklenburg County jail Tuesday morning and was released on $1,000 bond less than two hours later.

[Hunter Rider]

Source: PWInsider.Com

WWE have recently re-signed Eddie "Ekmo" Fatu. He worked for the company a couple years back as Jamal of Three Minute Warning. He's signed a fresh new deal seeing him back to the company for the first time in several years. It's a possibility that the creative team will bring in Rosey (who has been off WWE programming for some time now, however still under contract with WWE) to re-form the tag-team, however nothings been confirmed as of yet.

[The Batman]

With the Hurricane gimmick dead, and with the tag team division hurting, itd be a perfect idea

[The Batman]

With the Hurricane gimmick dead, and with the tag team division hurting, itd be a perfect idea

plus, imagine the monster fued with kane and big show

[0neDisturbedSOB]

That could be promising as those 2 worked pretty well together during the "3 minute warning" days a few years back. They need to find something for Rosey to do now that the Hurricane gimmick has run it's course. (thankfully)

[0neDisturbedSOB]

I still don't get the whole Cena thing. It's like the WWE isn't giving the fans a choice on whether or not we're going to cheer him or boo him...we WILL like John Cena and that's final.

[The Techno Bat]

This is something I have been saying for awhile but I think that the WWE should only have one tag team champion, who go back and forth to each show. I mean Kane & Big Show seem to be popping up on Smackdown for the past few weeks anyway, so why not? I think it makes sense, and it would really help boost the tag team division in the wwe, something they really don't have. TNA has the greatest tag team division right now imo

[Hunter Rider]

They should use Jamal as part of a heel chain gang stable for Cena

[0neDisturbedSOB]

They should use Jamal as part of a heel chain gang stable for Cena

I could actually see Rosey and Jamal becoming Cena's "chaingang" stable when he turns heel. That's actually a good idea.

[Hunter Rider]

I could actually see Rosey and Jamal becoming Cena's "chaingang" stable when he turns heel. That's actually a good idea.

Didn't they have a "street" gimmick when they first came in as Bischoff's 3MW ?
They would be a pretty handy duo to be Cena's heavies and could also be a physical threat to Kane/Show,apparently Jamal has been performing really well in Japan

[0neDisturbedSOB]

Didn't they have a "street" gimmick when they first came in as Bischoff's 3MW ?
They would be a pretty handy duo to be Cena's heavies and could also be a physical threat to Kane/Show,apparently Jamal has been performing really well in Japan

Yeah they were basically Bischoff's hired goons, and anyone that stayed around for longer than 3min got their asses kicked by these guys.

[Hunter Rider]

Yeah they were basically Bischoff's hired goons, and anyone that stayed around for longer than 3min got their asses kicked by these guys.

I hope they don't use them like that again,im getting tired of rehashed ideas

[Colossal Spoons]

It was funny reading the past two pages about Jamal seeing as that's my real name lol.

Anyway, what does the increase of these RAW/SD interpromotional matches mean? Are they hinting at reuniting the two brands; cuz Big Show and Kane have been on Smackdown a few times now since the SS chaos ended.

[Hunter Rider]

It was funny reading the past two pages about Jamal seeing as that's my real name lol.

Anyway, what does the increase of these RAW/SD interpromotional matches mean? Are they hinting at reuniting the two brands; cuz Big Show and Kane have been on Smackdown a few times now since the SS chaos ended.

I think that is a strong possibility,they are probably testing the waters to see if mixing together brings better ratings and buyrates,which i think it will,i predict we will see a unification match sometime in the next 6 months

[Colossal Spoons]

Hmm. As opposed to that as I am, I'll keep my fingers crossed and hope that it doesn't result in the mid-carders losing airtime and having main-eventers pushed in our faces all week. Also, after Eddie's passing; it would seem like a better idea to have the guys wrestle LESS than they do now to ease wear and tear on their bodies.

[Hunter Rider]

Hmm. As opposed to that as I am, I'll keep my fingers crossed and hope that it doesn't result in the mid-carders losing airtime and having main-eventers pushed in our faces all week. Also, after Eddie's passing; it would seem like a better idea to have the guys wrestle LESS than they do now to ease wear and tear on their bodies.

I think it will help the mid card in the longrun as SD has a good midcard but RAW only really has Carlito and Masters and neither are faces,mix them with Hardy and Rey,as well as Kennedy and Lashley and you got a nice little IC division

[NDX]

This Undertaker junk is just not entertaining anymore. I was hoping that this was going to be a good Smackdown!, but so far it hasn't proven so.

As for Jamal coming back, I hope they use this to give Rosey a push of some sort. And a feud between Kane/Big Show and Rosey/Jamal could make for some really fun matches. The possiblilites.

Although I don't want to see Helms taken down a few spots by having Rosey and Jamal beat him down.

[Colossal Spoons]

I think it will help the mid card in the longrun as SD has a good midcard but RAW only really has Carlito and Masters and neither are faces,mix them with Hardy and Rey,as well as Kennedy and Lashley and you got a nice little IC division

But do you think there's room for all of the heavyweights? I see promos and matches for heavyweights taking up at least 1 hour per show. That doesn't leave time for the cruiserweights, mid-cards, women, and of course The MacMahons.

[Hunter Rider]

But do you think there's room for all of the heavyweights? I see promos and matches for heavyweights taking up at least 1 hour per show. That doesn't leave time for the cruiserweights, mid-cards, women, and of course The MacMahons.

They might as well release the cruisers,they never use them and now they arent allowed to work the top rope:confused: ,eliminate the Mcmahons and give guys like Benoit and Angle some rest time,they both need it

That way your main event scene is HHH.HBK,Cena,Orton,Edge and just for you Batistahttp://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon12.gif

[Colossal Spoons]

There's still JBL, Kane, Taker, Big Show, RVD(hopefully), and Booker T.

I don't see Lashley staying a mid-carder for long since Vince obviously loves pushing huge guys. Also, something tells me that they're gonna try to give Tomko a heavyweight push.

[Hunter Rider]

There's still JBL, Kane, Taker, Big Show, RVD(hopefully), and Booker T.

I don't see Lashley staying a mid-carder for long since Vince obviously loves pushing huge guys. Also, something tells me that they're gonna try to give Tomko a heavyweight push.
Taker must be due for retirment and JBL,Kane Booker could be repackaged into Tag teams
RVD will fit in with one of the 2 divisions but you have to always carry an excess of guys to cover for injuries,some will get lost in the shuffle but if it makes a tighter show those are the breaks
As far as Lashley goes you may be right but he is way to green to even think of being anything but mid card for the next year

Tomko!!!!!???? please dont let it happen:(

[Colossal Spoons]

I wish I could say 100% that Lashley would stay a mid-carder where he belongs but look at what happened to Cena. His push was way premature and like I said, Vince has a thing for muscleheads.

I think Tomko could have potential.....to be a good mid-carder. He kinda reminds me of Test especially now that he's relying on his big boot.

[Eklypze]

boogeyman!!!! YAY!!!!

[Colossal Spoons]

Boogeyman just ate worms....:eek:

[Eklypze]

That Was Kool I Like Him

[Colossal Spoons]

Yeah, he's def in my top 10 list of wrestlers right now

[Hunter Rider]

I wish I could say 100% that Lashley would stay a mid-carder where he belongs but look at what happened to Cena. His push was way premature and like I said, Vince has a thing for muscleheads.

I think Tomko could have potential.....to be a good mid-carder. He kinda reminds me of Test especially now that he's relying on his big boot.

At the moment there isnt really any sign of Lashley being over enough to push hard as he lacks the charisma-lite of Cena
I honestly have no idea what they will do with hium,he looks decent but he needs focus,he needs a manager to distinguish him as a monster heel IMO

[Hunter Rider]

Yeah, he's def in my top 10 list of wrestlers right now

Your list scares me:eek: :p

[TheVileOne]

Sorry, I think Boogeyman is one of the stupidest and lamest things ever.

"I'm the Boogeyman, I'm coming to get you!" I get it already you talentless slug.

[Hunter Rider]

Sorry, I think Boogeyman is one of the stupidest and lamest things ever.

"I'm the Boogeyman, I'm coming to get you!" I get it already you talentless slug.

I think he is tolerable if they keep him as nothing more than a gimmick and don't overpush him like they did Eugene

[Eklypze]

How Do You Know Hes Talentless He Really Hasnt Wrestled That Much Yet Look At How Many Talentless Wrestlers Are Top Craders

[Sabretooth]

Lashley is a ****ing beast.This guy along with Kennedy is going places :up:

I also really enjoy Boogeyman. Yeah it's a bit silly,but that's why it's so great. He's a total nutcase. Tonight he had pieces of glass stuck on his head. But they need to keep him out of the ring,he's only done two moves and I can already tell he's limited.

[Eric Draven]

If they had made Boogeyman nothing more than an Undertaker rip-off (ala Mordecai), the gimmick would be boring as hell. But the fact that they play him off as a total ****ing psycho just makes the gimmick enjoyable. That and Marty Wright is pretty convincing as a lunatic. I mean this guy took out his front teeth, smashes a clock on his head, and eats live worms.....

[Colossal Spoons]

Your list scares me:eek: :p

This list isn't talent based, it's who I find interesting. Also, it's out of the current roster of guys, not past wrestlers.

[Eklypze]

Yeah Man If Boogeyman Can Wrestle I See Him Gettin At Least As Big As Kane I Just Wish That They Would Give Kane A Bigger Push How Many Times Has He Had The Belt Was It Just That Once In The First Blood Match Against Austin Cuz Kane Is Just As Phenomal A Wrestler As His "brother" The Taker

[Colossal Spoons]

Lashley is a ****ing beast.This guy along with Kennedy is going places :up:

I also really enjoy Boogeyman. Yeah it's a bit silly,but that's why it's so great. He's a total nutcase. Tonight he had pieces of glass stuck on his head. But they need to keep him out of the ring,he's only done two moves and I can already tell he's limited.

I agreee on all counts. I think Lashley and Kennedy are gonna make an impact on the WWE.

In regards to the Boogeyman, you're right about him looking limited but we don't know the extent of what he can do.

[Eklypze]

Oh No Hell In A Cell This Just Sux They Should Have Retired That Match After Mick And Hhh

[Hunter Rider]

This list isn't talent based, it's who I find interesting. Also, it's out of the current roster of guys, not past wrestlers.

I was just joking:)

So i guess Lashley squashed another guy tonight ?

[Sabretooth]

Oh No Hell In A Cell This Just Sux They Should Have Retired That Match After Mick And Hhh
Is it me or do HHH and Undertaker always end their huge feuds in HIAC? :confused:

[Eklypze]

i just still cant get ove JBL being champion material its always irked me i just remember him and farooq gettin drunk and everything i dunno

[Eklypze]

Is it me or do HHH and Undertaker always end their huge feuds in HIAC? :confused:
yup yup yup

[Eric Draven]

Is it me or do HHH and Undertaker always end their huge feuds in HIAC? :confused:

For Undertaker, it's either that or casket matches....:o

[Eklypze]

dont forget buried alive

[The Undertaker]

" I'm the one who does the killing! " :mad:

[Colossal Spoons]

I was just joking:)

So i guess Lashley squashed another guy tonight ?

He fought Sylvan Grenier

[Hunter Rider]

He fought Sylvan Grenier

LOL well he is squashable i guess

so WWE aren't pretending Orton re-murdered Taker ?

[Colossal Spoons]

Nah, the Orton/Taker segment was like 10 mins long but it was about Taker haunting Orton. Pretty interesting.


Batista + Chairs = Awesome :up:

Hunter, you called it, looks like they're pairing up Rey with Batista for a tag team.

[TheVileOne]

Snap!
ive been getting into ROH as well,ive ordered

Final Battle 04
Road to the title
War Of The Wire
At Our Best
World Title Classic
Gen Next

Those all sound like great investments hunter rider. But you should've taken advantage of the Black Friday sale, since it gave you an automatic 25% off your final purchase if you order from the ROH website.

[cabel]

I have Road to the Title, Low ki vs. Red is awsome

I've been looking around for Crowning of a Champion, none of the stores seem to have it

[PyroChamber]

It was funny reading the past two pages about Jamal seeing as that's my real name lol.

Anyway, what does the increase of these RAW/SD interpromotional matches mean? Are they hinting at reuniting the two brands; cuz Big Show and Kane have been on Smackdown a few times now since the SS chaos ended.Really? That's my real name too!

But anyway, it wouldn't be a bad idea to reunite RAW and Smackdown; the only thing is how would they do it as far as a storyline went?

Also, I didn't get to see all of Smackdown so for anyone who saw it; how was Boogeyman in the ring?

[White_Howling]

i just still cant get ove JBL being champion material its always irked me i just remember him and farooq gettin drunk and everything i dunno


i was still waiting for farooq to come back.. but he never did :( and now they gave his move away.. im just sad now

[Hunter Rider]

Credit: PWInsider & PWTorch

- Emails are circulating the internet reminding fans that tickets are going on sale for the Janurary 2, 2006 edition of Monday Night RAW taping at the Continental Airlines Arena in East Rutherford, New Jersey this Saturday. The hyped card for the event features WWE Champion John Cena vs. HHH as the main event for the show, most likely in a dark match. Aslo featured on the advertisement are wrestlers such as Kurt Angle, Shawn Michaels, Ric Flair, Carlito, The Big Show, Kane, and "Other Superstars and Divas."

- In response to the reports of Kurt Angle circulating the internet regarding his health, Dave Hawk of Kurt Angle's management team sent the following message:
.
Says Angle: "To all my fans, I'm in perfect health. Thank you for your many kind comments, prayers and concern about me, but, again, I am healthy and in great shape. Yes, naturally I have a few minor aches and pains due to bumps and bruises but certainly nothing at all life-threatening or anything that will keep me from participating in the ring. Also, I DO NOT nor would I EVER do anything that would jeopardize my health or my life, as has been fabricated on many website chat rooms. This great outpouring of concern for me demonstrates that my fans appreciate my hard work and dedication to be best. I have the greatest respect for all my fans, my family and everyone at WWE. I will never let you guys down. God bless you and thank you for your support."


I'm pleased to hear that from Kurt:up:

[Hunter Rider]

Those all sound like great investments hunter rider. But you should've taken advantage of the Black Friday sale, since it gave you an automatic 25% off your final purchase if you order from the ROH website.

Yeah i missed out on that but the price was still good,£12 for a DVD of wrestling is £8 than in the stores

I can't wait to see Low-Ki vs American Dragon and Homicide vs Corino in the barbed wire matchhttp://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif

[Hunter Rider]

Nah, the Orton/Taker segment was like 10 mins long but it was about Taker haunting Orton. Pretty interesting.


Batista + Chairs = Awesome :up:

Hunter, you called it, looks like they're pairing up Rey with Batista for a tag team.
So there doing the Rey/Batista vs Kane/Show match ?

[Twitch]

I thought a while bsck that the HIAC match was going to be for the vacant with Batista as ref. :confused:

[LastSunrise1981]

If they had made Boogeyman nothing more than an Undertaker rip-off (ala Mordecai), the gimmick would be boring as hell. But the fact that they play him off as a total ****ing psycho just makes the gimmick enjoyable. That and Marty Wright is pretty convincing as a lunatic. I mean this guy took out his front teeth, smashes a clock on his head, and eats live worms.....

Nah, not true. It's been reported that he's said that he has all of his teeth and what he's wearing is false missing teeth. :up:

Of course he could be lying. :)

I saw the debut and I found it quite amusing to say the least, he is definitely a lunatic and if done right could be even more creepy. I mean, this guy just ate live worms and smashed a clock over his head, and still left the pieces of glass on his head.

I think he can be great if he's kept to a minimum appearances.

[Colossal Spoons]

So there doing the Rey/Batista vs Kane/Show match ?

Well after JBL walked out on Rey in mid fight, Kane and Big Show were picking him apart until Dave came in and rescued him. Sure enough, it did make Dave look more montrous than ever after watching Rey's high flying antics for so long.

[Hunter Rider]

Well after JBL walked out on Rey in mid fight, Kane and Big Show were picking him apart until Dave came in and rescued him. Sure enough, it did make Dave look more montrous than ever after watching Rey's high flying antics for so long.

Cool,i know I'm Mr "anti Batista" but a tag role would work really well to showcase his strengths where as singles matches showcase his weaknesses IMO

Did SD give any clue what feud Kennedy is setting up for Armageddon ?

[Colossal Spoons]

Then Batista needs to drop the belt then; we can't have our champ fighting tag matches all the live long day.

Actually, I don't even remember seeing Mr.Kennedy last night. I missed the first 10 mins but I doubt they'd cram such a talent into the first ten minutes; that should be reserved for M-N-M.

[Hunter Rider]

Then Batista needs to drop the belt then; we can't have our champ fighting tag matches all the live long day.

Actually, I don't even remember seeing Mr.Kennedy last night. I missed the first 10 mins but I doubt they'd cram such a talent into the first ten minutes; that should be reserved for M-N-M.

Well at this point he is working the tag matches to protect his back,in the future if he was to become a regular tag worker then he wouldn't carry singles belt i would imagine

Shame about Kennedy,looks like maybe WWE have decided to push Lashley ahead of him

[Captain_America]

im a big fan of Bobby Lashley :up:

he kicks ass with that Dominater move.

[The Techno Bat]

They should put Kennedy in a program with Chavo, I bet those two could put on a great feud, or have Kennedy continue on with Matt Hardy...

As for Lashley's Dominator, I am not that big of a fan of the move, it's kind of blah for me. A Big Guy like that should use something different, like a submission move, does anybody use a Torture Rack (Ala Lex Luger) anymore? Or if not a Torture Rack, perhaps a Torture Rack into a F-5 type move or something.

[Colossal Spoons]

I was bored with The Dominator even when Farooq was doing it. He really needs a powerful move; remember how awesome Brock's F5 was(at first). A submission move would help his arsenal but not to be his main finisher. He seems to like that Jackhammer/Falcon Arrow type move; maybe he can take a page out of Al Snow's book and come with a devestating Snow Plow.

[Hunter Rider]

Well at least he isn't doing the chokeslam or powerbomb like most big guys and i like the fact he is using Taz' suplex style

[White_Howling]

just watched saturday morning raw..

cena in the master lock.. thats just plain funny.. jumping around swing your arms doesn't look cool at all.. he looked like a little kid trying to get out of a hold..... and damn masters was getting alot of cheers

[Captain_America]

just watched saturday morning raw..

cena in the master lock.. thats just plain funny.. jumping around swing your arms doesn't look cool at all.. he looked like a little kid trying to get out of a hold..... and damn masters was getting alot of cheers

LOL

[TheVileOne]

They should put Kennedy in a program with Chavo, I bet those two could put on a great feud, or have Kennedy continue on with Matt Hardy...

As for Lashley's Dominator, I am not that big of a fan of the move, it's kind of blah for me. A Big Guy like that should use something different, like a submission move, does anybody use a Torture Rack (Ala Lex Luger) anymore? Or if not a Torture Rack, perhaps a Torture Rack into a F-5 type move or something.

There are people that use it, but they aren't in WWE.

AJ Styles has used it, usually on Samoa Joe, as a set-up to a torture rack power bomb. I've seen Austin Aries do it in ROH as well.

[Captain_America]

There are people that use it, but they aren't in WWE.

AJ Styles has used it, usually on Samoa Joe, as a set-up to a torture rack power bomb. I've seen Austin Aries do it in ROH as well.

does anyone think Lashley will be world champ one day?

i hope so. :up:

[Hunter Rider]

does anyone think Lashley will be world champ one day?

i hope so. :up:
I think he needs a lot more work,he has decent technique and obviously power but he still looks very green and we haven't seen if he has any personality or if he is capable of working anything other than a squash match