Wrestling

[Lobo]

HR get on AIM ;)

[The Techno Bat]

Is anybody getting the PPV this sunday? Sounds really dull, nothing exciting, really boring if you ask me.

What is the deal with Chris Benoit being down 3-0 in the best of 7 with Booker T? Does anybody feel he will come back and win 4 straight? I am not sure how this one is playing out, but they better have Benoit win that strap!

And what has Kid Kash done since coming to the WWE to earn himself a cruiserweight shot? Nothing if you ask me, I think it should be Chavo getting the shot or even Paul London.

[Hunter Rider]

My Take on Armageddon

Randy Orton vs. Undertaker (Hell in a Cell Match)
I have hated the build up since Unforgiven but hopefully Taker puts on one last classic match and Orton goes over clean after a bloodbath epic with some big bumps

World Heavyweight Champion Batista & Rey Mysterio vs. World Tag Team Champions Big Show & Kane
I like Kane and Show as dominant monsters,hopefully they will win as losing will hurt their roll,The match will be short but could be sweet as long as Batista doesn't do a Hogan

MNM vs. Psicosis & Super Crazy
Should be great if given at least 10 minutes

Booker T vs. Chris Benoit
Most interesting match of the night as it will be a giveaway to Benoit's future
should be solid their matches together usually are

Bobby Lashley vs. Regal & Burchill
I'm bored of Lashley and his horrible movement already,i expect the 2 superior workers to get squashed though in a horrid little muscle flexing overbooked cluster**** made worse by the commentators over selling this roided hack

Kid Kash vs. Juve
both can be sloppy but if they are given some time it could be a decent match

Matt Hardy vs. JBL
Could be good,could suck,not really sure how this will go

[Gameruler]

I started getting into wrestling about the time at Wrestlemania XX. I have a question since I missed out on the good stuff.

Why did WWE retire the Hardcore belt?

[Twitch]

I started getting into wrestling about the time at Wrestlemania XX. I have a question since I missed out on the good stuff.

Why did WWE retire the Hardcore belt?

Well, the problem was that they didn't have anyone that could keep up with RVD. They didn't have guys like Sabu or Jerry Lynn in the WWE that could match up with him very well.

[Eric Draven]

They did have Raven, Tommy Dreamer, Steven Richards, Justin Credible, and a ****load of ECW stars though....

[Twitch]

They did have Raven, Tommy Dreamer, Steven Richards, Justin Credible, and a ****load of ECW stars though....

Yeah, but I think they just lacked the balls to put on a ECW style hardcore match-up or they just forgot about those guys. :down:(

[Eric Draven]

I think at that time, the WWE just wanted to combine all the titles into one championship belt. So they had the hardcore champion (Tommy Dreamer at the time) lose to the IC champion (RVD). Shortly thereafter, I think RVD lost his IC title to Triple H (the world's champion) and Raw only had one title belt for a short time.

I wouldn't mind seeing a hardcore division return to be honest (I really dug the period when Crash Holly was defending the hardcore title 24/7), but it doesn't really seem like the WWE has any more ECW wrestlers left to use, and the guys left on Raw just don't seem the hardcore type....

[Hunter Rider]

I think at that time, the WWE just wanted to combine all the titles into one championship belt. So they had the hardcore champion (Tommy Dreamer at the time) lose to the IC champion (RVD). Shortly thereafter, I think RVD lost his IC title to Triple H (the world's champion) and Raw only had one title belt for a short time.

I wouldn't mind seeing a hardcore division return to be honest (I really dug the period when Crash Holly was defending the hardcore title 24/7), but it doesn't really seem like the WWE has any more ECW wrestlers left to use, and the guys left on Raw just don't seem the hardcore type....

It was Kane that lost the IC title to trips in that hideous Katie Vic storyline that ended up in a unification match:(

WWE are to bland and stale these days to open up a division like that,everything is low impact and low risk now

[Twitch]

That's why TNA has all the impact ever :o

[Sabretooth]

Benoit,RVD,Matt Hardy,Orton,and maybe Undertaker,Kane,Show,and Booker T could make a nice hardcore division.

[punishermax]

The main reason the Hardcore title was unified with the I-C is because Mcmahon didn't want to take the risk of having some of his starts get put on the shelf just like now and the slowing down of the Cruiserweight title. I must admit when I bought the Best of the Hardcore title DVD I marked big time for most of the matches. My favorite moment was when Gerald Brisco won the title by pinning a sleeping Crash Holly. The best.

[Colossal Spoons]

This Smackdown crowd is lively as hell tonight. And so is Batista! Not like last week.

[Donnie Darko]

Batista is lively because he just got a fine piece in the back. I'd be excited too.

[Colossal Spoons]

Hehe, I hope he buys his wife a present before he goes home tonight.

Think Randy'll turn on pops tonight?

[Colossal Spoons]

12/16/05 - Batista gets 1/2 the tag championship AND learns a 6th move...the back body drop. That's for you hunter rider ;)

[Hunter Rider]

12/16/05 - Batista gets 1/2 the tag championship AND learns a 6th move...the back body drop. That's for you hunter rider ;)

A NEW move and Tapping Melina's Ass ? been a good night for the big guyhttp://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif

[Sarge 2.0]

Im so pissed that my T.V. is busted right now....Melina makes my pants tingle. :(

[Colossal Spoons]

Well Melina's nuthing to be proud of, but that back body drop is a step up. He'll be moonsaulting by Wrestlemania.

[Hunter Rider]

Well Melina's nuthing to be proud of, but that back body drop is a step up. He'll be moonsaulting by Wrestlemania.

Melina is magnifico:mad: .............I'd use a Batista avvy if he did a moonsaulthttp://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif

[Sarge 2.0]

Melina is magnifico:mad: Damn straight. :mad:

Haters betta recognize. :mad:

[Hunter Rider]

Damn straight. :mad:

Haters betta recognize. :mad:

Best Diva going:mad: :up:

[Sarge 2.0]

Best Diva going:mad: :up:And one of the hottest. :mad::up:

[Colossal Spoons]

I say that because Asian women do nothing for me. She's all yours guys. :up:

[Sarge 2.0]

I say that because Asian women do nothing for me. She's all yours guys. :up:I'm pretty sure she's latina. :confused:

[Colossal Spoons]

Not 100%. There's definately some Asian in there. Spanish women, mmmm.

[Hunter Rider]

I'm pretty sure she's latina. :confused:

Correct,But im partial to Asian women as well,Gail Kim is a testicle teaser.......who am i kidding i am partial to all hot women,colour race etc mean nothing to me,im a manwhore:(

[Colossal Spoons]

Gail Kim was little too small for my tastes.

FYI, Melina's an American of Mexican descent. Hmm, still don't find her appealing.

[PyroChamber]

If anything I think we need more Spanish women in the WWE, I love latinas; which is why I'm eager to see this Shelly Martinez. As far as Melina goes, I think she's attractive; far more attractive now than her early wrestling days.

[Colossal Spoons]

Mexican, I didn't mean Spanish. I still agree though. :up:

[NDX]

I'm real happy to see Melina on a weekly basis. And her hair being down today was just, just, yeah, just yeah.

I really enjoyed the first half of Smackdown!, but the second half was such a bust. I was bored immediately following the Tag Team Title match. And even though the outcome angered me, it was a good match.

[Sarge 2.0]

So, what happened besides Batista and Rey winning the title?

[Colossal Spoons]

Nothing out of the ordinary except Batista banging Melina, Boogeyman being awesome, and Randy destroying Taker.

[Sarge 2.0]

Nothing out of the ordinary except Batista banging Melina, Boogeyman being awesome, and Randy destroying Taker.How did Randy do it? I swear to God if Cowboy Bob is somehow involved, I'm going to kill a kitten.

[Colossal Spoons]

Yup. Bob had Takers urn after pretending to be one of his henchmen. Then Randy RKO'd him, hit him 2x with a chair, and once with the urn. This was all after Randy pretended to retire to bait Taker.

[NDX]

It looks like Taker is afraid of taking the RKO now.

[Colossal Spoons]

Nah, He took it pretty well tonight. He held Randy up perfectly, best RKO I've seen in weeks.

[Sarge 2.0]

Yup. Bob had Takers urn after pretending to be one of his henchmen. Then Randy RKO'd him, hit him 2x with a chair, and once with the urn. This was all after Randy pretended to retire to bait Taker.Some goddamn kittens better watch out...how many times have they used the urn to "weaken" Taker over the years now? I lost count past 1,000. :o

[NDX]

Leave the kittens out of this, they have no power.

The story between Taker and Orton Squared better end after this weekend's PPV. Or the WWE will be proving that they have no respect for the future wrestlers of the business and just want to give their aging "superstars" everything they ask for.

[Sarge 2.0]

Leave the kittens out of this, they have no power.

The story between Taker and Orton Squared better end after this weekend's PPV. Or the WWE will be proving that they have no respect for the future wrestlers of the business and just want to give their aging "superstars" everything they ask for.Maybe I'm just being a mark, but I doubt that Taker is pulling a Hogan and holding Orton down.

[NDX]

Maybe not holding him down, definately not like Hogan, but I feel he has some say in how long this story has lasted to make him look a little better. This story could have easily been resolved 2 months ago in my opinion, instead it's being dragged out week after week with overly theatrical vignettes and no wrestling. I'm just tired of it. I'm a Taker mark as well, but enough is enough already. Lets move on. Some stories work and last a few months. This one has just felt bad from the start.

I feel having his father around his holding Orton down more than Taker. It's just pointless now.

[PyroChamber]

So next week is the annual Troops shows huh? I always liked watching it since they started doing it. And that part where Orton wiped Taker's blood on his cheat...wasn't that Lesnar's thing?

And also, how long do you think it will be before they decide to put Melina off on her own??

[NDX]

And that part where Orton wiped Taker's blood on his cheat...wasn't that Lesnar's thing?

I always associate it with Jerry Lynn when he feuded with Steve Corino or Justin Credible instead.

[Hunter Rider]

I always associate it with Jerry Lynn when he feuded with Steve Corino or Justin Credible instead.

yeah it was done years before that as well,it's an old heel thing

[Hunter Rider]

Maybe I'm just being a mark, but I doubt that Taker is pulling a Hogan and holding Orton down.

I think it's more management can't figure out what else to do with them but if Taker doesn't put Orton over clean this Sunday i will lose some respect for him

[TheVileOne]

Taker rarely puts anyone over cleanly. He's yet to put Orton over cleanly either.

[Hunter Rider]

Taker rarely puts anyone over cleanly. He's yet to put Orton over cleanly either.

Sadly that is true,Taker still lives the "protect the character" stuff from years ago

[Lobo]

Best Diva going:mad: :up:


:mad: :o

[Donnie Darko]

I love Orton, and he needs this a lot more than Taker does. Seriously, if we're ever going to really take him seriously, he has to win some matches... without having to cheat. That's what makes Kurt Angle so great (when they use him right)... he doesn't have to cheat to beat you. He is just that damn good. Heels shouldn't HAVE to cheat. They should do it when it is necessary, but not all the time.

[Sabretooth]

After Orton goes over Taker clean,he should either start a feud with Batista,or start a feud with Rey that leads to Orton vs. Batista at WM22.

[The Batman]

Its funny how people swear Taker's holding orton down, especially when taker's looking like Ortons B*tch for weeks now.

[Gameruler]

Man that thing with Melina and Batista was a little hot for UPN, not like I mind. :D

[Gameruler]

The main reason the Hardcore title was unified with the I-C is because Mcmahon didn't want to take the risk of having some of his starts get put on the shelf just like now and the slowing down of the Cruiserweight title. I must admit when I bought the Best of the Hardcore title DVD I marked big time for most of the matches. My favorite moment was when Gerald Brisco won the title by pinning a sleeping Crash Holly. The best.
Where can you buy that? I checked at WWEshopzone and it seems like they don't have it. I must get that DVD!!!

[Mister J]

Heels shouldn't HAVE to cheat. They should do it when it is necessary, but not all the time.

Somebody please show this to Vince.

[Gameruler]

I wish we could. That reminds me I don't even know what Carlito's finisher is.

He might have done it when Smackdown! was in my town but that's the only time I saw it so I'm not sure. Good thing I have that episode on tape.

[Sarge 2.0]

I wish we could. That reminds me I don't even know what Carlito's finisher is.

He might have done it when Smackdown! was in my town but that's the only time I saw it so I'm not sure. Good thing I have that episode on tape.Modified swinging neckbreaker.

[White_Howling]

yeah .. who else used to do that move as a finisher?

[Gameruler]

Modified swinging neckbreaker.
So it is what I thought it is. In the games it's called Overdrive. He did the move in my hometown.

[Hunter Rider]

Its funny how people swear Taker's holding orton down, especially when taker's looking like Ortons B*tch for weeks now.

I don't see how,no matter what Orton hits Taker with he just keeps coming and Orton acts like a scared child

The point i specifically was making is that Taker should do the job clean this Sunday if he puts the business before his ego

[Hunter Rider]

yeah .. who else used to do that move as a finisher?

Reno used it and called it the roll of the dice,Daniels currently uses it and calls it The Last Rites

[Colossal Spoons]

Somebody please show this to Vince.

Then maybe Vince can pass it along to JBL.

[Sarge 2.0]

Then maybe Vince can pass it along to JBL.Feh, I think JBL is a pretty good old school style heel.

[Colossal Spoons]

Yeah, but you can always expect interference when he wrestles.

[Donnie Darko]

I wish we could. That reminds me I don't even know what Carlito's finisher is.


So it's not the schoolboy pin with pulled tights?

[punishermax]

So it is what I thought it is. In the games it's called Overdrive. He did the move in my hometown.

Its name is the "Inverted reverse swinging neckbreaker."

[punishermax]

Where can you buy that? I checked at WWEshopzone and it seems like they don't have it. I must get that DVD!!!

I bought it used at a game store.

[DOG LIPS]

I sure hope they actually have a storyline for Boogeyman, and not just use him to spit worms on jobbers and gross everyone out until his contract is up so they can fire his ass.

[Lobo]

They will bring back papa Shango to feud with BogeyMan :D

[DOG LIPS]

I'd watch it. :p:up:

[LastSunrise1981]

I sure hope they actually have a storyline for Boogeyman, and not just use him to spit worms on jobbers and gross everyone out until his contract is up so they can fire his ass.

As much as I hate the sexual fetish that Vince has for the hosses, I have to admit that the Boogeyman is very, very amusing to say the least.

The reaction he gets from fellow wrestlers are priceless and very spot on as well. Remember Cena's reaction to him? Classic expressions and to see him mouth "what the ****" was funny too.

I think they should use him for random skits and just have him randomly say weird, creepy, and ridiculous quotes to continue to get him over. I would suggest a feud with Undertaker, but that would kill his heat immediately, and no one would really take him seriously like they do now.

I will tell you what pisses me off though. What pisses me off is that Mordecai had a GREAT gimmick and the character was awesome, yet Vince feels the need to release him.

I would've loved to have seen a Mordecai vs. Boogeyman feud. :up: :)

[misternorth79]

So I'm still trying to figure out whether or not the Boogeyman is a heal or a face. The guy is getting some great pops from the crowd. I admit....I think the guy is absolutely entertaining to watch on Smackdown.

I think he's gonna go against the Undertaker at some point. After that, they need to give him a US Title Shot.

[DOG LIPS]

I don't think BM is really a heel or a face just yet, the crowd seems to love his grossness, but yet hate his grossness. :confused:

[Eric Draven]

I honestly hope they don't have Boogeyman feud with Undertaker. I'd rather see Boogeyman form a tag team with a regular SD wrestler to form a team ala Booker T/Goldust or Head Cheese :o

[Hunter Rider]

I honestly hope they don't have Boogeyman feud with Undertaker. I'd rather see Boogeyman form a tag team with a regular SD wrestler to form a team ala Booker T/Goldust or Head Cheese :o

Yeah,he's a crap wrestler,he needs to just be kept as a side comedy worker not a main focus,wrestling only hurts his character

[Eric Draven]

Yeah, his wrestling skill is questionable at best. But damn, can he cut a pretty hilarious promo. It's probably why the WWE wanted to keep him around after he lied about his age at TE.


Speaking of that TE contest, it seems like Matt Capotelli suffered yet another setback right when he was about to make his debut in the WWE. But this setback seems to be a bit more serious, a brain tumor....

[LastSunrise1981]

Yeah, his wrestling skill is questionable at best. But damn, can he cut a pretty hilarious promo. It's probably why the WWE wanted to keep him around after he lied about his age at TE.


Speaking of that TE contest, it seems like Matt Capotelli suffered yet another setback right when he was about to make his debut in the WWE. But this setback seems to be a bit more serious, a brain tumor....

Matt was the one that was wrongfully beat up by Hardcore Jackass Holly right?

Man, if this is true about Matt then that truly sucks and hope it's not a brain tumor at all. :( :down

[Sabretooth]

Boogeyman is great. I love that little dance move he does in the ring :D

They should probably cut down on the smoke during his entrance though. You can barely tell what's going on in the ring.:down

[Gameruler]

So it's not the schoolboy pin with pulled tights?
In the video games they always get 2 finishers so that might be another one. :D

[TheVileOne]

Full results for 12/17's ROH Final Battle. A signature ROH event and one of their biggest and best events of the year.

From ROHwrestling.com:


Student Matches:

1) Smash Bradley/Mitch Franklin vs Dempsey Bros: Went around 4 min. Double team back senton for the pinfall, alright tag match.

2) Pelle Primeau vs Shane Hagadorn: Pelle gets the victory with an armbar, the same variation used by Danielson over Strong two months ago.

Main Show:

1) Milano Collection AT vs "The Crowned Jewel of The Embassy" Jimmy Rave: Went about 14 min, Rave scores the victory after his pedigree, good match, great opener.

2) Azrieal v. "Classic" Colt Cabana: Went about ten minutes, entertaining look as Azrieal tried to make it a comedy match, while Colt was trying to be serious. Homicide came out, cut a promo, saying he just had shoulder surgery and will be out of action for roughly six months. Told Colt he's only here tonight for Corino, and for Cabana to stay out of his business. 'Cide had his arm in a sling.

3) RING OF HONOR PURE TITLE MATCH - Nigel McGuinness (C) v. Claudio Castagnoli: Claudio used iron when ref was knocked out and got the pinfall in about 15 minutes. However, the second ref saw it and reversed the decision to award the match to Nigel via DQ.

4) Steve Corino v. Alex Shelley: Shelley over Corino with a rollup after 13 minutes. Homicide jumped Corino after the match and tried to pour Drano down Steve's throat. Colt came out to make the save, however 'Cide put him down and poured down Colt's throat. Students came out to save them. No big intro for Corino since Nana grabbed his announcer and pushed him down before he began.

- 4 Year Anniversary Night 1 announced for a return to New Jersey in February. Lethal gave an interview about being done as Joe's protege. Then announced his services are out for the highest bid.

5)FOUR CORNER SURVIVAL MATCH - Samoa Joe v. Jay Lethal v. "The Fallen Angel" Christopher Daniels v. BJ Whitmer: Joe came out to his "Champ Is Here" theme since he had the X title with him. Catfight between Lacey and Allison, and Danger was wearing the nun outfit. Joe hit Daniels with a Musclebuster on X title. BJ took Joe out with chair. Lethal took out BJ with springboard dropkick, then Lethal gets Daniels with the swandive headbutt. Was a totally kickass match.

INTERMISSION

6) Davey Andrews v. Ricky Reyes: Reyes over Andrews in about 2 and a half minutes with a dragon sleeper. Took a lead pipe to the trophy. Aries came out to stop him, running him off. Aries cutting a promo right now.

7) RING OF HONOR TAG TEAM TITLE MATCH - Tony Mamaluke & Sal Rinauro (C) v. Generation Next of Austin Aries & Roderick Strong: Roderick lit up Sal with roughly 20 chops, Rinauro was bleeding from the chest. Aries/Strong win after Roderick hits a half-nelson backbreaker on Sal, with Aries following up with a 450 for the pinfall in 18 min. Great match.

8) RING OF HONOR WORLD TITLE MATCH - "The American Dragon" Bryan Danielson (C) v. Naomichi Marufuji: Danielson wins in 22 min after a series of pinfall sequences. Very awesome match. Streamers for both men, crowd chanting "Please come back!" to Marafuji afterwards. Embassy on the ramp at end of match to demand title matches against Dragon.

9) GLOBAL HONORED CROWN JUNIOR HEAVYWEIGHT TITLE MATCH - KENTA (C) v. Low Ki: KENTA pinned Low Ki after 2 Bushido knee strikes to win after 26 minutes. Ki nailed 2 Ki Krushers as well as 2 Double Stomps, and still wasn't enough. Halfway through, there was a "THIS IS AWESOME!" chant which was just deafening. MOTY chants afterwards, "Thank you NOAH" chants, "Please Come Back" chants, "5 Star Match" chants.

After the show, everyone was asked to bring their chair down to the lobby since there's just one exit in the building, and to help them clean up. Thanks to Lurker Greg for once again providing results.

-A singles win for Alex Shelley! YATTE!

-Strong wins his first ROH gold! Awesome. I can't wait to see what Aries and Strong do as the tag champs.

[Eklypze]

so wait did someone say that boogeyman was a tough enuff finalist??? just wandering

[The_Guyver]

Boogeyman is the really fit guy that initially said he was 30 but is actually 40 right?? I thought he looked familiar.

[Hunter Rider]

New Tag Teamhttp://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif

http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/7982/screenshot0013vo7ug.jpg

http://img493.imageshack.us/img493/3205/screenshot0028mk9ay.jpg

[Sabretooth]

Wtf?

[White_Howling]

yeah.. wtf?

the phantoms of the opera?

[Hunter Rider]

lol,it's London and Spanky's new gimmick,they are masks that they are wearing that are modeled after comedy/tragedy masks from the Opera,
Apparently they got over really well and worked stiff no two jobbers,

[Sarge 2.0]

DOG LIPS! :eek:

[Colossal Spoons]

Speaking of that TE contest, it seems like Matt Capotelli suffered yet another setback right when he was about to make his debut in the WWE. But this setback seems to be a bit more serious, a brain tumor....

That's most unfortunate. I think TE winners are cursed. They either don't make it or get canned quickly. What ever happened to Chris Nowinsky the Harvard guy? And what's taking Jonah so long to debut?

[Hunter Rider]

That's most unfortunate. I think TE winners are cursed. They either don't make it or get canned quickly. What ever happened to Chris Nowinsky the Harvard guy? And what's taking Jonah so long to debut?

I don't know who Jonah is but Nowinski is concussed very easily and was told to stop wrestling

[Colossal Spoons]

Damn, that sucks. Jonah lost a tough enough but you know how Vince is with TE runner-ups, so I saw him on a RAW one night talking to Trish.

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pictures/t/toughenough/jonah1.jpg

[Gameruler]

Talking about Tough Enough. What was up with Daniel Pruder? I saw him twice, once backstage on Smackdown, then at the Royal Rumble match. Of course they let him go after his year contract but still. That was the worst.

Tell me WWE had him doing something good. Was he down in OVW?

[Sabretooth]

Yeah,but they released him after he became a kiss ass. Which is funny,because JBL,one of their top guys,kissed ass to get in the main event.

[Eric Draven]

Not only that, but he was making a lot of money. Plus, didn't they want him to work at UFC or something to that extent? :confused:

I remember seeing Jonah in TNA at one point and he did want to go to the WWE, but nothing materialized from that.

I think the only guy from TE still around is Johnny Nitro :confused:

[Hunter Rider]

Rey Mysterio vs MNM was outstanding on SD:up:

Taker and Orton better deliver like this

http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/1331/29vj.gif

http://img290.imageshack.us/img290/633/33lq.gif

[Hunter Rider]

you guys all love the vertabraker right ? well here is where it came from

http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/760/a2dj.gif

[Sarge 2.0]

Jesus. :eek:


Is that Japanese stuff?

[Hunter Rider]

Jesus. :eek:


Is that Japanese stuff?

Yep,pure insanity,a female electrified barbwire match:eek:

[Sarge 2.0]

Yep,pure insanity,a female electrified barbwire match:eek:Christ, and I thought ECW was nuts.

[Hunter Rider]

Christ, and I thought ECW was nuts.

Who would have thought that this pretty woman was more hardcore than the sandman or Raven ever where

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/2735/kudo15yk.jpg

[Sarge 2.0]

Who would have thought that this pretty woman was more hardcore than the sandman or Raven ever where

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/2735/kudo15yk.jpgImagine a petite thing like that putting Mick Foley to shame. :o

[Hunter Rider]

Imagine a petite thing like that putting Mick Foley to shame. :o

It saddens me that underneath that dress her body will have wire scars and burn marks:(

[Twitch]

errrrrrrrrrrrrr HR work on it :mad:

[Lobo]

Gail Kim's boobs own the wrestling thread :mad:

[Hunter Rider]

errrrrrrrrrrrrr HR work on it :mad:

If your talking about the GIFS their was no way to avoid it as the MV file was done with flo mo:( ........cause you may just be talking about liking scarred women and i misinterpreted

[Twitch]

If your talking about the GIFS their was no way to avoid it as the MV file was done with flo mo:( ........cause you may just be talking about liking scarred women and i misinterpreted

LOL, get my PM?

[Lobo]

Gail Kim's boobs own the wrestling thread :mad:


Dammit!!!!111!

[Sabretooth]

Undertaker won :down

[Eric Draven]

Did anybody watch Armageddon tonight? Because I was just reading the results and I saw that little segment they had on the show with former WWE ref Tim White. Boy, what a stupid segment, totally unneccessary :down

[White_Howling]

Undertaker won :down


i doubt their ever gonna let him lose in hell in a cell.. was randy thrown off the top?

[NDX]

I remember reading a few weeks back that Jonah was a witness in a trial of a drug dealer and admited to juicing as well as using other drugs.

[The Ghoul]

Did anybody watch Armageddon tonight? Because I was just reading the results and I saw that little segment they had on the show with former WWE ref Tim White. Boy, what a stupid segment, totally unneccessary :down

I didn't watch the PPV, but I read it & I just felt dumber staring at the words on my computer.

[Lone Wolf]

Undertaker won :down

Serious? Dammit.

[Go Web Go!]

Wa wa wa...Will the complaining about The Undertaker ever stop?

[citizenpain]

undertaker won but duh, randy beat his ass on smackdown and did some heinous things, so did you guys really not see this coming? is it really so upsetting? undertaker is still awesome, even though he does need to lose that muscle shirt. the hell in a cell was pretty sweet, randy's splash through the table was perfect, the match was pretty brutal overall. good stuff. the juice and kid kash was pretty good but it didn't feel like a cruiserweight match at times and the fans were hating the whole thing (like they know). kid kash won the title, btw... kane pinned rey after batista was busy clotheslining big show outta the ring then again onto the table... mexicools were friggin awesome and mnm were actually decent too. benoit and booker t was a good wrestling match but booker held that one abdominal stretch for waaay too long. benoit won, another duh. what else? oh. it's bad enough i dislike JBL, but why is my namesake matt hardy just a blatant jobber as of late? boogeyman squased big vito and nunzio... or should i say, santa claus and his little elf. but that wasn't a match, so it wasn't a squash like that of lashley over regal and... that other... guy... right... and someone mentioned the tim white thing... apparently he killed himself. ha! what a stupid segment indeed. they really try too hard to put the cell over as this insane thing. we get it already! we get that the hell in a cell is a demonic structure that ruins careers and lives. eh... i mean, i get what they were trying to say with whole thing cuz tim white got hurt in a hell in a cell match, and in the long run, it caused him so much pain that he couldn't take it anymore, but it was still pretty pointless and tasteless. goodnight.

[TheVileOne]

Yeah I really wish that beautiful Japanese woman didn't have to do things to her body like that.

Also hunter rider, Taker did NOT lose to Orton.

[punishermax]

All right, here are the final nominees for the 2005 "Hypies" (I had to come up with a name) everyone can vote for each category what they think is the best for each.

Match of the year: Angle vs HBK WM21, Daniels vs. Styles vs. Joe TNA Unbreakable, "The Notorius 187" Homicide v. "No Gimmicks Needed" Chris Candido, Dudleys vs Sandman and Tommy Dreamer ECW ONS, HHH/Flair Last Man Standing, Ric Flair vs HHH Steel Cage

Wrestler: Christopher Daniels, Chris Benoit, Kurt Angle, AJ Styles, Samoa Joe

Tag Team: MNM, America's Most Wanted, The Naturals,

Rookie (First year on National Fed): Samoa Joe, Bobby Lashley, Ken Kennedy,

Most Improved: Rey, Edge, Shelton Benjamin, Carlito,

Best Fued: Ric Flair vs HHH, Rey/Eddie, Matt Hardy vs Edge, Batista/HHH

Best Fed: TNA, WWE

Best Mic: Ric Flair, Christian, Raven, HBK

Finisher: The Muscle Buster/Kikina clutch combo, Canadian Destroyer, Chris Candido - The Blond Bombshell, Angel's Wings, The Pounce

Most Hated: John Cena, Chris Masters, Jeff Jarrett, Eugene, Edge, Batista

Overrated: Monty Brown, John Cena, Batista, Hulk Hogan, Jeff Hardy, The Undertaker

Underrated: WWE's Cruiserweight Division, Lance Hoyt, Shelton Benjamin, Christian, Paul London

[punishermax]

So, I'm sitting here and its 4:00 a.m. and I'm looking for something to watch. Well I see on College Sports T.V. they have the College Football NAIA Championship game on between Carrol College and St. Francis. Normal, but then who do I seen anouncing the game................The Coach, thats right Jonathan Coachman. Man, did I bust out laughing. He is much more suited for football than wrestling.

[Mr. Socko]

Undertaker Won, hahahahahahaha! I was hoping he would defeat Orton. And this cell match was much better then Triple H vs Batista.

[Lobo]

I forgot to order the ppv and I'm glad I didnt :o

[The Batman]

Wa wa wa...Will the complaining about The Undertaker ever stop?


Yeah...obviously, Taker beating orton means Orton's carreer is done!

I mean...look at John Cena, another rookie Taker beat. I mean, he didnt win the US Championship at Wrestlemania XX, or win the WWE Title the year after! Everyone knows that if you cant beat Taker, you wont make it in the WWE!

:rolleyes:

[The Undertaker]

I honestly didn't expect 'Taker to win. I was watching the whole match expecting Orton to win so it was a real shocker the way it ended to me. It just really pissed me off at the end when the ref got hurt and they had to open the doors.. I knew some crap was bound to happen to let Orton's annoying ass father in the ring. Once that happened I was seriously hoping Taker would win, to clarify I would have liked to see Randy win but only if done cleanly which wasn't gonna happen. Him winning with his fathers help wouldn't make him look any better than actually losing.

They need to get rid of Bob Orton, he's just so irritating. Orton dosen't need that. Why do all heels nowadays have to be cowards?

[The Techno Bat]

Match of the year: Ric Flair vs HHH Steel Cage

Wrestler: Christopher Daniels

Tag Team: MNM

Rookie (Or First year w/National Fed): Samoa Joe

Most Improved: Rey

Best Fued: Ric Flair vs HHH

Best Fed: TNA

Best Mic: Ric Flair

Finisher: The Pounce

Most Hated: John Cena

Overrated: The Undertaker

Underrated: WWE's Cruiserweight Division

[SLYspyder]

you guys need to lay off bob orton. i think he's hilarious, and he fits in for now, when it's time, he'll get own3d by orton. imagine the heat orton will get after he turns on his father after all that time. it's definitely not gonna be the same effect if they just bring him in suddenly to feud with his son.

[Sabretooth]

Wa wa wa...Will the complaining about The Undertaker ever stop?
Just as soon as the JBL and HHH complaints stop.:o

[Sarge 2.0]

Just as soon as the JBL and HHH complaints stop.:oI just want the complaining to stop in general. :o

[Mr. Socko]

Why do all heels nowadays have to be cowards?

They did the exact same thing with JBL. When he was Bradshaw he was a bad ass brawler. When he became heel JBL he's a scared chicken.

[Sabretooth]

Yeah...obviously, Taker beating orton means Orton's carreer is done!

I mean...look at John Cena, another rookie Taker beat. I mean, he didnt win the US Championship at Wrestlemania XX, or win the WWE Title the year after! Everyone knows that if you cant beat Taker, you wont make it in the WWE!

:rolleyes:
Right,but when HHH holds someone down everybody is moaning and groaning.:rolleyes:

[The Batman]

Taker= Beats a rookie in ONE match. Rookie still goes on to win major titles.

HHH= Holds on to the title for long periods of time, holds down people who deserve it, until they're stuck in mid card status.

I dont see how Taker is holding down ANYONE by winning a goddamn match. people really need to stop B*tching about Taker just cause he wont job to some rookie with a screwed up version of the diamond cutter. Get over it.

[The Batman]

Taker= Beats a rookie in ONE match. Rookie still goes on to win major titles.

HHH= Holds on to the title for long periods of time, holds down people who deserve it, until they're stuck in mid card status.

I dont see how Taker is holding down ANYONE by winning a goddamn match. people really need to stop B*tching about Taker just cause he wont job to some rookie with a screwed up version of the diamond cutter. Get over it.

[The Undertaker]

Taker= Beats a rookie in ONE match. Rookie still goes on to win major titles.

HHH= Holds on to the title for long periods of time, holds down people who deserve it, until they're stuck in mid card status.

I dont see how Taker is holding down ANYONE by winning a goddamn match. people really need to stop B*tching about Taker just cause he wont job to some rookie with a screwed up version of the diamond cutter. Get over it.


You're absolutley right.. it's not that serious. Just because my username is what it is, it really would not have bothered me at all if Orton won but Taker won and that makes me just as happy (okay, happier).. This isn't going to hold Orton down. I can almost 100% guaran-damn-tee Orton goes off to the rumble and become number one contender. Taker' beating him in this one match won't ruin his whole damn career.

And Bob Orton is crap and I find not one ounce of comedy in his whole schtick down at the ring.. he's just plain irritating. Orton will by no means get heat for RKO'ing his dad, he'll get cheered like a mother.

[FooYu]

They did the exact same thing with JBL. When he was Bradshaw he was a bad ass brawler. When he became heel JBL he's a scared chicken.
Wasnt it Bradshaw an Farooq - Acolyte protection agency, they were great:up:

[The Techno Bat]

They did the exact same thing with JBL. When he was Bradshaw he was a bad ass brawler. When he became heel JBL he's a scared chicken.

Looks like Ron Simmons was the actual tough guy in the APA and not Bradshaw......DAMN!

[TheVileOne]

Orton isn't a rookie either. He first showed up in the WWE in 2002. That's more than 3 years ago.

[kane9321]

you guys all love the vertabraker right ? well here is where it came from

http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/760/a2dj.gif


HOLY S@@^T:eek:

Where in the hell did you get that..is that on dvd

[DOG LIPS]

Strangle f****** Mania!

[Gameruler]

In my opinion Orton is a better face then a heel. He's really annoying in the worst way when he's a heel.

Taker is a good wrestler/future legend and Orton has a good future. So stop the whining that Orton is being held back! It's "his" fault he keeps wrestling Taker.

[White_Howling]

well takers like the only legend in smack down... if he doesnt' wrestle taker then he'll lose that legend angle

[Hunter Rider]

Medium quality PPV,the matches that kicked it off were pretty good with JBL doing a good old fashioned heel squash and MNM vs The Mexicools being the highlight of the openers
Benoit/Booker was decent Lashley sucked and it was clear to anyone with eyes that Burchill is much better
The inter brand tag was great fun and the HIAC solid if not spectacular,the only real highpoint being the splash through the table

Now only a complete mark would claim Taker should have won that match,Orton is a damn former world champion not a rookie and is supposed to be going to WM22 to win the strap and yet he has his ass handed to him buy a 44 year old speacial attraction.
it was BS simple as that,the only way it makes any sense is if Taker wins the belt off Batista at the Rumble and Orton takes the title and his winning streak at WM22

[Hunter Rider]

HOLY S@@^T:eek:

Where in the hell did you get that..is that on dvd
It's from a match i got off a wrestling site,it is available on FMW best of deathmatches at Highspots.com

[The Batman]

Medium quality PPV,the matches that kicked it off were pretty good with JBL doing a good old fashioned heel squash and MNM vs The Mexicools being the highlight of the openers
Benoit/Booker was decent Lashley sucked and it was clear to anyone with eyes that Burchill is much better
The inter brand tag was great fun and the HIAC solid if not spectacular,the only real highpoint being the splash through the table

Now only a complete mark would claim Taker should have won that match,Orton is a damn former world champion not a rookie and is supposed to be going to WM22 to win the strap and yet he has his ass handed to him buy a 44 year old speacial attraction.
it was BS simple as that,the only way it makes any sense is if Taker wins the belt off Batista at the Rumble and Orton takes the title and his winning streak at WM22

Yup...this just proves it.

The people here have a hard bias against taker...and think he should job to just about everyone.

Well, thats not gonna happen. Taker is still a major draw for this company. "Special Attraction" or not, he's still a superstar for the WWE, one who hopes to wrestle for a while longer.Frankly, Orton didnt NEED to win this match.Not to mention he's already beaten Taker twice, which few wrestlers can claim they have, and has gotten in offense on Taker that, IMO, was BS. And frankly, you make it sound as if Taker is a joke, and hes not.For a 44 year old, hes still damn good in the ring. Only a mark would want Taker to win? no offense, as i respect you and all, but just stop the ridiculous whining. you and the other Taker-Haters are sounding real silly. You act like Orton's supposed to be on some big giant winning streak before he wins the title.

i mean, how's it make sense for Orton to beat up on Taker weak after weak and not have Taker get any retribution? That would've been a cheat. What, you expected him to put taker in a casket, Then manage to blow him up with Eddie's car, then hit him with the urn, and then win the big match? Thats...just...weak. This storyline pointed to Taker winning. PERIOD.

In the end, Orton's time will come. People need to stop using this as an excuse to bash taker just because they're sick of people bashing HHH.

[Mr. Socko]

I dont see how Taker is holding down ANYONE by winning a goddamn match. people really need to stop B*tching about Taker just cause he wont job to some rookie with a screwed up version of the diamond cutter. Get over it.

Amen, Brotha! I really don't care about Orton or his future, WWE has been a turnoff as of lately. I've missed Raw and SD for about the past 3 weeks now. But I will be watching the Iraq special tonight.

[Hunter Rider]

Yup...this just proves it.

The people here have a hard bias against taker...and think he should job to just about everyone.

Well, thats not gonna happen. Taker is still a major draw for this company. "Special Attraction" or not, he's still a superstar for the WWE, one who hopes to wrestle for a while longer.Frankly, Orton didnt NEED to win this match.Not to mention he's already beaten Taker twice, which few wrestlers can claim they have, and has gotten in offense on Taker that, IMO, was BS. And frankly, you make it sound as if Taker is a joke, and hes not.For a 44 year old, hes still damn good in the ring. Only a mark would want Taker to win? no offense, as i respect you and all, but just stop the ridiculous whining. you and the other Taker-Haters are sounding real silly. You act like Orton's supposed to be on some big giant winning streak before he wins the title.

i mean, how's it make sense for Orton to beat up on Taker weak after weak and not have Taker get any retribution? That would've been a cheat. What, you expected him to put taker in a casket, Then manage to blow him up with Eddie's car, then hit him with the urn, and then win the big match? Thats...just...weak. This storyline pointed to Taker winning. PERIOD.

In the end, Orton's time will come. People need to stop using this as an excuse to bash taker just because they're sick of people bashing HHH.

Let me make myself clear on this,im a HUGE HBK fan and if you look back through this thread i am not a "Taker Hater" but the fact is this if HBK hadn't done the job for Orton in the same circumstance my annoyance would have been the same against him

You don't make stars by having them lose to older guys passed their main days
Why do you think HBK jobbed to Cena at TT and tapped out to Angle at WM21 ? Why did HHH lose 3 PPV's straight with zero retribution against Batista ? because those guys needed wins to build their cred for the title feuds,
Now Orton is set to go after the champ with everyone knowing that he can't beat the Undertaker one on one and quite frankly was made a pussy in the match at the end and hasn't won one clean yet

The only thing i will say is that the bookers ****ed up,they booked the match into a corner that made it difficult for Orton to win in the storyline but Taker Needs to job clean to Orton in the next few weeks if Orton is to have any cred come WM22

[The Batman]

Amen, Brotha! I really don't care about Orton or his future, WWE has been a turnoff as of lately. I've missed Raw and SD for about the past 3 weeks now. But I will be watching the Iraq special tonight.


I mean, really...Why should Taker have to sacrifice the character hes built up for 15 years so he can look like a B*tch for some prissy pretty boy whos finisher is just a sloppy version of the diamond cutter...especially when said pretty boy wrestler is going to win the title 3 months from now?

[Hunter Rider]

Amen, Brotha! I really don't care about Orton or his future, WWE has been a turnoff as of lately. I've missed Raw and SD for about the past 3 weeks now. But I will be watching the Iraq special tonight.

Yeah great attitude lets just keep booking Taker and HBK to go over the future.brilliant stuff,ever heard of WCW ?

[Mr. Socko]

and tapped out to Angle at WM21 ?

Incase you DON'T know, HBK got the last laugh in that fued.

Why did HHH lose 3 PPV's straight with zero retribution against Batista ?

You call Batista such an up-and-coming star? Triple H is better then Batista and younger.

Taker Needs to job clean to Orton in the next few weeks if Orton is to have any cred come WM22

Undertaker doesn't have to job to that brittle bone no talent young punk. He's a heel and wins matches by cheating. So if he main events Mania as a heel then guess what, HE SHOULD USE HEEL TACTICS! Orton sucks and him winning the rumble would suck balls.

[Mr. Socko]

Yeah great attitude lets just keep booking Taker and HBK to go over the future.brilliant stuff,ever heard of WCW ?

Triple H and HBK are more of a future then Batista is. They're both younger then him so could last longer then him.

[Hunter Rider]

Incase you DON'T know, HBK got the last laugh in that fued.

HArdly,the series is ones each and Angle won the one that counts at the biggest show of the year



You call Batista such an up-and-coming star? Triple H is better then Batista and younger.

WTF has that got to do with anything ? Batista was coming through and the fans like him,HHH put him over clean 3 PPV's in a row to help him,it's called being professional




Undertaker doesn't have to job to that brittle bone no talent young punk. He's a heel and wins matches by cheating. So if he main events Mania as a heel then guess what, HE SHOULD USE HEEL TACTICS! Orton sucks and him winning the rumble would suck balls.


Please grow up,your just booking this around your own childish likes and dislikes,Flair,HHH,Lesnar,Angle all heel s that shock horror won cleanly in big matches

[Hunter Rider]

Triple H and HBK are more of a future then Batista is. They're both younger then him so could last longer then him.

What has that got to do with Taker and HBK who were the 2 i mentioned BTW ?
HBK is the same age as Batista and also has a very serious back injury that can cause him a lot of problems,but i was talking about the other week when HBK should have jobbed to Carlito and im hoping he is gonna do the right thing and Job to Benjamin

[Mr. Socko]

HArdly,the series is ones each and Angle won the one that counts at the biggest show of the year

WTF! If a Win at Mania counts the most and Undertaker has already beaten Orton at Mania, then what would it had mattered if Undertaker still had lost the cell match. It still would have made Taker look better because he beat him "at the biggest show of the year." Going by what you're saying, if Orton had won the cell match he still wouldn't look better because Undertaker won "at the biggest show of the year" because it counts more.

[Hunter Rider]

WTF! If a Win at Mania counts the most and Undertaker has already beaten Orton at Mania, then what would it had mattered if Undertaker still had lost the cell match. It still would have made Taker look better because he beat him "at the biggest show of the year." Going by what you're saying, if Orton had won the cell match he still wouldn't look better because Undertaker won "at the biggest show of the year."

Errrr wrong again,you said HBK came out on top,i said it was a tie but the biggest match was the Mainia one so it was a bigger win than winning at a smaller brand PPV

Now Beating Taker in a HIAC match cleanly garners a lot of credit but now he not only lost at mainia he also lost in the HIAC so Taker hasn't helped Orton at all where as HBK and Kurt both helped each other by jobbing cleanly

[The Batman]

Let me make myself clear on this,im a HUGE HBK fan and if you look back through this thread i am not a "Taker Hater" but the fact is this if HBK hadn't done the job for Orton in the same circumstance my annoyance would have been the same against him

You don't make stars by having them lose to older guys passed their main days
Why do you think HBK jobbed to Cena at TT and tapped out to Angle at WM21 ? Why did HHH lose 3 PPV's straight with zero retribution against Batista ? because those guys needed wins to build their cred for the title feuds,
Now Orton is set to go after the champ with everyone knowing that he can't beat the Undertaker one on one and quite frankly was made a pussy in the match at the end and hasn't won one clean yet

The only thing i will say is that the bookers ****ed up,they booked the match into a corner that made it difficult for Orton to win in the storyline but Taker Needs to job clean to Orton in the next few weeks if Orton is to have any cred come WM22

*HBK probably tapped to Angle cause he knew he would win their next match. Plus, Angle didnt need cred. He was a 4 time WWE Champion, and was already considered one of the best in the business.

*HHH jobbing to Batista is nice. Of course, you forgot to add the fact that Batista and Trips are good friends, so of course he'd do him the favor of jobbing. If only Trips couldve been more courteous to guys like RVD, Kane, Booker T, Chris Jericho, etc.

*Why is not being able to beat Taker a bad thing? There's no shame in losing to the Undertaker. Just ask the 13 men who've lost to Taker at Wrestlemania. Takers character is all about beating the best WWE has to offer. You think people say "Oh, these guys cant even beat taker? They suck!" There's honor to being able to hold your own against taker as well. Hell, in many matches, Takers opponents had him beat. The fact is, there are a select few superstars who can say they've managed to beat Taker, so why should Orton, or his fans, be upset? He's gonna win the title, and hes gonna be a legend anyway. Orton has cred already. He's the legend killer for gods sakes. If every wrestler would deemed a wuss just because they lost to one guy, everyone in the WWE would be considered P*ssy's.

[Mr. Socko]

Now Beating Taker in a HIAC match cleanly garners a lot of credit but now he not only lost at mainia he also lost in the HIAC so Taker hasn't helped Orton at all where as HBK and Kurt both helped each other by jobbing cleanly

Who says Undertaker just has job to Randy Orton? You? Undertaker did enough by just letting him win at Summerslam and No Mercy. You're just booking this around your own childish likes for Randy Orton. And who even says he has to win the Rumble? You again? Just because a person is young then you think they must become a main eventer and win the World title. Next you're going to say that Chris Masters should win the WWE title at New Years Revolution.

[Hunter Rider]

*HBK probably tapped to Angle cause he knew he would win their next match. Plus, Angle didnt need cred. He was a 4 time WWE Champion, and was already considered one of the best in the business.

*HHH jobbing to Batista is nice. Of course, you forgot to add the fact that Batista and Trips are good friends, so of course he'd do him the favor of jobbing. If only Trips couldve been more courteous to guys like RVD, Kane, Booker T, Chris Jericho, etc.

*Why is not being able to beat Taker a bad thing? There's no shame in losing to the Undertaker. Just ask the 13 men who've lost to Taker at Wrestlemania. Takers character is all about beating the best WWE has to offer. You think people say "Oh, these guys cant even beat taker? They suck!" There's honor to being able to hold your own against taker as well. Hell, in many matches, Takers opponents had him beat. The fact is, there are a select few superstars who can say they've managed to beat Taker, so why should Orton, or his fans, be upset? He's gonna win the title, and hes gonna be a legend anyway. Orton has cred already. He's the legend killer for gods sakes. If every wrestler would deemed a wuss just because they lost to one guy, everyone in the WWE would be considered P*ssy's.

HBK still jobbed cleanly to Kurt,Taker has yet to job to Orton cleanly at all so no favours there

Out of the guys you named only Y2J and RVD could have been dominant main eventers,do you want me to say HHH is a selfish ******* ? fine he is and everything said about him is true,there ya go,is HBK one of the most disliked guys for his antics and arrogance in his younger years ? hell yes he is so im not playing favourites but when the time came to do a clean job for a guy they did it

No shame in losing to the Taker ? wrestling is a work and everyone knows it,by sending out the message that the future of the company is still a step behind a 44 year old part timer really hardly builds cred does it ?

Taker has built a huge rep for himself and it's now time to give back,hell even Hogan put Warrior over clean when the time came

[Mr. Socko]

Undertaker refuses to job and hasn't lost a match fairly since 2002. You don't like that them take it up with him. Obvious that Vince has no problem with it and I'm sure he has more say then you about what goes on in WWE, hunter.

[The Batman]

Not to mention he jobbed pretty cleanly to Brock Lesnar. In fact, he's never beat lesnar in a match

[Hunter Rider]

Who says Undertaker just has job to Randy Orton? You? Undertaker did enough by just letting him win at Summerslam and No Mercy. You're just booking this around your own childish likes for Randy Orton. And who even says he has to win the Rumble? You again? Just because a person is young then you think they must become a main eventer and win the World title. Next you're going to say that Chris Masters should win the WWE title at New Years Revolution.
Who says ? hmmmmmmm well let me see,i don't give a rats ass about Randy Orton but unlike you im looking at this from the perspective of the buisness not who my fav wrestler is,
Do you think that Vince has said that Orton is the future of the company and the commentators keep putting him over as the future because they feel like it ?
The guy is a great athlete whith a lot of heat and the idea of the wrestling buissness is results are worked to help push guys into positions for future booking so Orton losing has just made his position that much weaker

BTW the word about Orton winning The Rumble came from Meltzer the most respected Wrestling journalist in North America not me

[Hunter Rider]

Undertaker refuses to job and hasn't lost a match fairly since 2002. You don't like that them take it up with him. Obvious that Vince has no problem with it and I'm sure he has more say then you about what goes on in WWE, hunter.

In case you hadn't noticed this is a message board for opinions not just agreeing with everything Vince decides is right,just like i think the disrespect shown to guerro was wrong and the tasteless segment of White supposedly killing himself last night was wrong,

[Hunter Rider]

Not to mention he jobbed pretty cleanly to Brock Lesnar. In fact, he's never beat lesnar in a match

If you go back i didn't lay the blame at the Takers feet im blaming the bookers

[The Batman]

HBK still jobbed cleanly to Kurt,Taker has yet to job to Orton cleanly at all so no favours there

Out of the guys you named only Y2J and RVD could have been dominant main eventers,do you want me to say HHH is a selfish ******* ? fine he is and everything said about him is true,there ya go,is HBK one of the most disliked guys for his antics and arrogance in his younger years ? hell yes he is so im not playing favourites but when the time came to do a clean job for a guy they did it

No shame in losing to the Taker ? wrestling is a work and everyone knows it,by sending out the message that the future of the company is still a step behind a 44 year old part timer really hardly builds cred does it ?

Taker has built a huge rep for himself and it's now time to give back,hell even Hogan put Warrior over clean when the time came


Only Y2J and RVD?

Booker T was one of the biggest stars in WCW. in a sea of former WWE hacks, he managed to win the Title 5 times. When the "Invasion" angle was happening, he fueded with Austin and Rock, the two biggest WWe draws.

Kane was touted as a monster when he first appeared. He was one of the few wrestlers to actually DOMINATE the Undertaker in matches. It used to Take him 3 Tombstone piledrivers or Stunners to take him down. If he had actually gotten good storylines, he could've been a champion.

What message does trips send out to people about Batista? That He's supposed to be "The Game" yet he cant beat a 40 year old hoss with a limited move set? People forget this is the Undertaker we're talking about. His character is supposed to be this zombie like dude who cant be defeated easily.

[The Batman]

If you go back i didn't lay the blame at the Takers feet im blaming the bookers


Honestly, if they did the whole thing differently, i'd agree with you. But, the way it turned out, all signs pointed to taker winning the match.

I wish Taker would'nt have fueded with Orton. Taker should be having fueds with proven superstars, not guys who are at a crucial point in their careers where wins mean alot.

[Mr. Socko]

Who says ? hmmmmmmm well let me see,i don't give a rats ass about Randy Orton but unlike you im looking at this from the perspective of the buisness not who my fav wrestler is,

O My God!, thank you for caring so much about the company and telling us what it should do. You thinking Orton should have won the cell match really means alot to all us. I just wanted to take a little time to thank you.

It was Vince McMahon who made WWE as big as it is now and the right decisions he made for the company. Undertaker helped alot, the least they can do for him is to let him win his last few matches. Were you also b*tching and complaining when Triple H beat Orton at Unforgiven in 04.


BTW the word about Orton winning The Rumble came from Meltzer the most respected Wrestling journalist in North America not me

The same guy who said Orton would win the HIAC match right...

[Hunter Rider]

O My God!, thank you for caring so much about the company and telling us what it should do. You thinking Orton should have won the cell match really means alot to all us. I just wanted to take a little time to thank you.

It was Vince McMahon who made WWE as big as it is now and the right decisions he made for the company. Undertaker helped alot, the least they can do for him is to let him win his last few matches. Were you also b*tching and complaining when Triple H beat Orton at Unforgiven in 04.

Nice job of missing out all of the tasteless things Vince has done,yes lets just have Undertaker run over the future of the buisness,thats a really good idea, because god knows that it would be terrible for HBK and Taker to use their vast legacies to help the young guys out like Bret and Others did for them



[/QUOTE]The same guy who said Orton would win the HIAC match right...[/quote]
No,maybe you should research him and see what he is about instead of trying to be a wiseass

[Hunter Rider]

Only Y2J and RVD?

Booker T was one of the biggest stars in WCW. in a sea of former WWE hacks, he managed to win the Title 5 times. When the "Invasion" angle was happening, he fueded with Austin and Rock, the two biggest WWe draws.

Kane was touted as a monster when he first appeared. He was one of the few wrestlers to actually DOMINATE the Undertaker in matches. It used to Take him 3 Tombstone piledrivers or Stunners to take him down. If he had actually gotten good storylines, he could've been a champion.

What message does trips send out to people about Batista? That He's supposed to be "The Game" yet he cant beat a 40 year old hoss with a limited move set? People forget this is the Undertaker we're talking about. His character is supposed to be this zombie like dude who cant be defeated easily.
Guys like Booker were doing well in a crap company,he has no mic skills and a basic working style as for Kane ive said this a million times before,guys like Kane and Andre and Big Show don't hold the titles because they work better as freak attractions than champions

You talk about Taker as if his rep is so strong that he shouldn't job at all
what about Andre jobbing to Hogan at WM3 after being undefeated for almost 20 years and being an even bigger name than Taker ?


Or how about Bret who was booked as the best for years but put over HBK in a pure wrestling match clean and HBK was a man he hates

[Twitch]

O My God!, thank you for caring so much about the company and telling us what it should do. You thinking Orton should have won the cell match really means alot to all us. I just wanted to take a little time to thank you.

It was Vince McMahon who made WWE as big as it is now and the right decisions he made for the company. Undertaker helped alot, the least they can do for him is to let him win his last few matches. Were you also b*tching and complaining when Triple H beat Orton at Unforgiven in 04.



It was also McMahon that screwed Orton in '04. They only reason HHH got the title back quickly, was because Vince realized making somebody into a generic face in less than 24 hours was suicide.

[Hunter Rider]

Honestly, if they did the whole thing differently, i'd agree with you. But, the way it turned out, all signs pointed to taker winning the match.

I wish Taker would'nt have fueded with Orton. Taker should be having fueds with proven superstars, not guys who are at a crucial point in their careers where wins mean alot.

The way i see it now is they should have left it at one/one after Summerslam but now i think they will go to Mania and the feud will span the entire year with Taker putting orton over at the big one
Takers past is pretty good for that if you look at clean jobs to Austin and Lesnar when they needed them

[Mr. Socko]

No,maybe you should research him and see what he is about instead of trying to be a wiseass

Learn to quote it right, and I know exactly who he is, smartass. I visit more wrestling sites then you could imagine, and they were all saying Orton would win the cell match and win the rumble.


Nice job of missing out all of the tasteless things Vince has done,yes lets just have Undertaker run over the future of the buisness,thats a really good idea, because god knows that it would be terrible for HBK and Taker to use their vast legacies to help the young guys out like Bret and Others did for them

Yeah, Bret really helped out HBK and he really wanted to do it too. Know what I'm talking about? Is there really a reason why an idiot like you thinks Randy is the sole future of the business. Maybe Orton should have screwed Undertaker over, they could have called it "The Armageddon screwjob."


It was also McMahon that screwed Orton in '04. They only reason HHH got the title back quickly, was because Vince realized making somebody into a generic face in less than 24 hours was suicide.

Don't forget about the fact that Orton is a predictable lame wrestler.

[Mr. Socko]

The way i see it now is they should have left it at one/one after Summerslam but now i think they will go to Mania and the feud will span the entire year with Taker putting orton over at the big one
Takers past is pretty good for that if you look at clean jobs to Austin and Lesnar when they needed them

That would suck big time. This fued has lasted long enough, doesn't need to go another year. And the HIAC is always the finale.

[Hunter Rider]

Learn to quote it right, and I know exactly who he is smartass. I visit more wrestling sites you could imagine, and they were all saying Orton would win and cell match and win the rumble.

why don't you look at The Batman and see how to conduct yourself in a debate,



Yeah, Bret really helped out HBK and he really wanted to do it too. Know what I'm talking about? Is there really a reason why an idiot like you thinks Randy is the sole future of the business. Maybe Orton should have screwed Undertaker over, they could have called it "The Armageddon screwjob."

ah name calling,maybe you should grow up a bit,i never said orton was the sole future of the buisness i said he was the future but im sure there will be others to join him but because you don't personally like him then he isnt even any good
As for HBK/Bret i was refering to WM12 where he put a man he hates over clean in the centre of the ring

[Hunter Rider]

That would suck big time. This fued has lasted long enough, doesn't need to go another year. And the HIAC is always the finale.

In this case it would be good booking,The 3rd generation star gets to mania just to find the man he can't beat standing in his way to the belt
Orton finally going over would be an awesome torch pass from Taker

[Sabretooth]

Yup...this just proves it.

The people here have a hard bias against taker...and think he should job to just about everyone.

Well, thats not gonna happen. Taker is still a major draw for this company. "Special Attraction" or not, he's still a superstar for the WWE, one who hopes to wrestle for a while longer.Frankly, Orton didnt NEED to win this match.Not to mention he's already beaten Taker twice, which few wrestlers can claim they have, and has gotten in offense on Taker that, IMO, was BS. And frankly, you make it sound as if Taker is a joke, and hes not.For a 44 year old, hes still damn good in the ring. Only a mark would want Taker to win? no offense, as i respect you and all, but just stop the ridiculous whining. you and the other Taker-Haters are sounding real silly. You act like Orton's supposed to be on some big giant winning streak before he wins the title.

i mean, how's it make sense for Orton to beat up on Taker weak after weak and not have Taker get any retribution? That would've been a cheat. What, you expected him to put taker in a casket, Then manage to blow him up with Eddie's car, then hit him with the urn, and then win the big match? Thats...just...weak. This storyline pointed to Taker winning. PERIOD.

In the end, Orton's time will come. People need to stop using this as an excuse to bash taker just because they're sick of people bashing HHH.
I am a huge Undertaker mark,dude. I'm not a ''taker hater'' or whatever. Yeah,I realize he wants to live up to his gimmick,and yeah,I realize what he's done for the company,but for the past few years,he really has held back talent. The only times,that I've seen anyway,where he loses it's because of interference. I can't remember the last time someone went over him cleanly.

As for Orton,yeah,he'll probably get it at RR.But still,how is he gonna redeem himself? The only thing I can see is if he RKO's his Dad for holding him down..

[Twitch]

Don't forget about the fact that Orton is a predictable lame wrestler.

LOL, man you really got it in for Orton.

[Mr. Socko]

why don't you look at The Batman and see how to conduct yourself in a debate,

Why don't you try to understand that I'm not debating with you. I'm simply stating that Undertaker deserved his win at Armageddon after already putting Randy Orton over.


ah name calling,maybe you should grow up a bit,i never said orton was the sole future of the buisness i said he was the future but im sure there will be others to join him but because you don't personally like him then he isnt even any good
As for HBK/Bret i was refering to WM12 where he put a man he hates over clean in the cntre of the ring

Bret didn't hate him that much until the screwjob. Maybe I might grow up a bit when you learn to use proper pronunciation and capitalize the letter i.

[Mr. Socko]

Has Raw from the ME just started for anyone else?

[Hunter Rider]

Why don't you try to understand that I'm not debating with you. I'm simply stating that Undertaker deserved his win at Armageddon after already putting Randy Orton over.

He never put Orton over at all,one screw job win and a handicap match victory is not putting someone over




Bret didn't hate him that much until the screwjob. Maybe I might grow up a bit when you learn to use proper pronunciation and capitalize the letter i.


Seriosuly you are wrong Bret hated him long before the screwjob.and as far as the I thing goes,if trying to start a flamewar is how you get off then fine but im not stooping to name calling

[Mr. Socko]

He never put Orton over at all,one screw job win and a handicap match victory is not putting someone over

Thats just how Undertaker is Someone asked whens the last time he lost fairly and it was in 2002. Btw, Austin is the same way.


Seriosuly you are wrong Bret hated him long before the screwjob.and as far as the I thing goes,if trying to start a flamewar is how you get off then fine but im not stooping to name calling

You're way too smart for Socko's mind games. ;)

[Hunter Rider]

Thats just how Undertaker is Someone asked whens the last time he lost fairly and it was in 2002. Btw, Austin is the same way.

I know i moan about him as wellhttp://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif
but as i said earlier im not blaming Taker im blaming the way the angle was booked,weeks of Taker getting beat down and in two cases murdered,it just made the whole thing impossible in the cell

Taker has a legacy and i respect him but twice in the past he has used it to make a big deal of other guys,
Austin at SS98 was the first guy to ever beat him clean and then Lesnar at No Mercy 2002 in the HIAC
Both times it solidified the guys as top draws
These were huge prospects worthy of the job.with Orton i hope he does the same in the future

[Mr. Socko]

I guess I can agree with you on that part. But how could anyone disagree with Austin at this point. He did such a great thing by jobing to the Rock at Mania 19, actually I don't consider that a job but a loss because he went out with a huge fight. He refuses to job to Coach but I can't blame him, he can't wrestle much more and I'd like to see him with one last win. Austin says the only way he'll ever possibly wrestle Hulk Hogan for a last match is if he wins. Some say he's being selfish but he's risking alot by getting back in the ring so the least Hogan can do for him is let him win.

Btw, sorry for name calling. I was definitely misinterpreting some things.

And I'm watching Raw and I can't help but notice Joey Styles' commentating. I'm just wondering what does everyone else think about Joey?

[The Ghoul]

EDIT: Late post & what I said is now irrelevant

I was typing lazily( if thats a word) & because i made New Jack on SDvR & i was trying him out

[Hunter Rider]

I guess I can agree with you on that part. But how could anyone disagree with Austin at this point. He did such a great thing by jobing to the Rock at Mania 19, actually I don't consider that a job but a loss because he went out with a huge fight. He refuses to job to Coach but I can't blame him, he can't wrestle much more and I'd like to see him with one last win. Austin says the only way he'll ever possibly wrestle Hulk Hogan for a last match is if he wins. Some say he's being selfish but he's risking alot by getting back in the ring so the least Hogan can do for him is let him win.

the thing with the Austin/Rock match at WM19 is both were leaving after so it didn't push Rock but what it did do was set Rock up nicely to job to Goldeberg at Backlash,not that Goldberg was worth it in the end but both tried their best to help him

As far as winning the last match goes,ive said it before and this is coming from guys like Flair.Vince.Hogan,Funk and Stone Cold himself,you always lose your last match,it's tradition to pass the torch
Here's my big problem with Hogan vs Austin though,i think the match will be utter crap as Hogan is a relic and Ausitn has multiple injuries and i want Ausitn to go out with that excellent match against the Rock as opposed to a terrible match with Hogan

Btw, sorry for name calling. I was definitely misinterpreting some things.
Apology accepted:up:


And I'm watching Raw and I can't help but notice Joey Styles' commentating. I'm just wondering what does everyone else think about Joey?

Im a Joey mark but we arent getting that show over here however if his commentary sounds odd it's because he recorded it in a studio not live
I also think 3 at the boothe is crowding him,they need to drop either Lawler or Coach

[Twitch]

Shelton lost to Snitsky God all hope is lost

[Mr. Socko]

Well if Hogan vs Austin isn't going to happen then Hogan never needs to return. He already came back and beat HBK in a strange fued that had HBK heel for one month, but I loved every moment of that month. Remember HBK as Hogan on Larry King Live, some funny stuff. HBK as heel was great but seemed bad because it was so short.

Im a Joey mark but we arent getting that show over here however if his commentary sounds odd it's because he recorded it in a studio not live
I also think 3 at the boothe is crowding him,they need to drop either Lawler or Coach

Coach has already said that he doesn't like commentating and only does it because Vince asked him to so they should definitely remove him asap. As far as the commentating in the ME, I noticed that it's really windy over there so thats why it sounds strange. The ring started shaking alot.

You aren't getting the show at all? Or do you mean your time zone hasn't hit 9 yet?

[Mr. Socko]

Shelton lost to Snitsky God all hope is lost

Did you see Snitsky? That beard hair gets longer everytime we see him. And they are making a good wrestler like Shelton job, hope was lost ever since they slapped him on heat for about 3 weeks in a row. Snitsky did nothing to deserve that win. I don't think Benjamin has won a match since losing the IC title.

[Hunter Rider]

Well if Hogan vs Austin isn't going to happen then Hogan never needs to return. He already came back and beat HBK in a strange fued that had HBK heel for one month, but I loved every moment of that month. Remember HBK as Hogan on Larry King Live, some funny stuff. HBK as heel was great but seemed bad because it was so short.

After Angles anti-american promo last week i fear they are thinking of doing Hogan vs Angle,poor Kurt can't catch a break:(




Coach has already said that he doesn't like commentating and only does it because Vince asked him to so they should definitely remove him asap. As far as the commentating in the ME, I noticed that it's really windy over there so thats why it sounds strange. The ring started shaking alot.

You aren't getting the show at all? Or do you mean your time zone hasn't hit 9 yet?

I agree Coach should go,he's a good onscreen character he doesn't need to commentate and i thought Joey and King were good as a duo at TT

We never get the troops specials in the UK

[Sabretooth]

Shelton lost to Snitsky God all hope is lost
Ugh. :down

[Hunter Rider]

Did you see Snitsky? That beard hair gets longer everytime we see him. And they are making a good wrestler like Shelton job, hope was lost ever since they slapped him on heat for about 3 weeks in a row. Snitsky did nothing to deserve that win. I don't think Benjamin has won a match since losing the IC title.

While jobbing to Snitsky is horrible they are building Shelton as a talented but careless character to further his student/Teacher angle with HBK
they will probably work it so after a while and some coaching Shelton starts winning and then turns on HBK to set up a match for WM22
only problem is they are bringing someone in to play Sheltons mom in his corner:confused:

[Colossal Spoons]

the tasteless segment of White supposedly killing himself last night was wrong,

I didn't order the PPV, elaborate please. :confused:

[FooYu]

how old is snitsky ?

[Hunter Rider]

I didn't order the PPV, alaborate please. :confused:
Tim white the X-WWE Ref did an angle where Josh matthews went to the local Bar he runs in real life and spoke to him about how hell in a cell had ruined his life(he reffed one and hurt his shoulder in 2002)anyway he tells Josh his wife and kids have left him and he has nothing to live for before picking up a gun and going into the backroom
we hear a bang to signify he has killed himself

[Mr. Socko]

how old is snitsky ?

He was born January 14 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_14), 1970 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1970)

[FooYu]

thanks :up:

[Colossal Spoons]

Tim white the X-WWE Ref did an angle where Josh matthews went to the local Bar he runs in real life and spoke to him about how hell in a cell had ruined his life(he reffed one and hurt his shoulder in 2002)anyway he tells Josh his wife and kids have left him and he has nothing to live for before picking up a gun and going into the backroom
we hear a bang to signify he has killed himself

Wow, that really is tasteless. Shock value runs the WWE.

[Mr. Socko]

Some of it has become disturbing. There are reasons why I've missed the last few episodes.

Now I actually feel like I should have missed Raw in Iraq

Mick Foley vs JBL WAS SOOOOOOO TERRIBLE! They advertised it as a no holds barred match, had me thinking it would be really good but it was only about 5 minutes. Foley hit JBL with a pillow and grabbed his balls with a tong then used Socko on him for the win. Mandible claw is such a weak move, all the opponent has to do is bite Foley's fingers.

And why did he have to name his sock socko. Makes the name Socko look bad

[Mr. Socko]

Wow, there is still 40 minutes left of tasteless Raw in Iraq.

[Sarge 2.0]

Some of it has become disturbing. There are reasons why I've missed the last few episodes.

Now I actually feel like I should have missed Raw in Iraq

Mick Foley vs JBL WAS SOOOOOOO TERRIBLE! They advertised it as a no holds barred match, had me thinking it would be really good but it was only about 5 minutes. Foley hit JBL with a pillow and grabbed his balls with a tong then used Socko on him for the win. Mandible claw is such a weak move, all the opponent has to do is bite Foley's fingers.

And why did he have to name his sock socko. Makes the name Socko look badActually, the mandible claw is a nerve hold, so it's pretty impossible for the victim to bite at Foley's fingers.

Anyone wanna give me a rundown on Raw in Iraq? Or would I rather not know what went on?

[The Ghoul]

Some of it has become disturbing. There are reasons why I've missed the last few episodes.

Now I actually feel like I should have missed Raw in Iraq

Mick Foley vs JBL WAS SOOOOOOO TERRIBLE! They advertised it as a no holds barred match, had me thinking it would be really good but it was only about 5 minutes. Foley hit JBL with a pillow and grabbed his balls with a tong then used Socko on him for the win. Mandible claw is such a weak move, all the opponent has to do is bite Foley's fingers.

And why did he have to name his sock socko. Makes the name Socko look bad

Hey, you take that back Foley is god. It was comedy match & did you really expect a "no holds barred" match with santas no it just screamed comedy match. Now, I am the biggest Foley mark ever & he can do no wrong.

[Colossal Spoons]

Seriously, I know that the WWE shows in the Middle East are important and moral boosters but they are all usually really boring. Especially tonights, I hope the troops liked this anyway. :up:

[Mr. Socko]

LOL, this is the King of Hardknocks we're talking about. The Hardcore Legend, 99.99% of the time when you hear the words "No Holds Barred" And "Mick Foley" used in the same sentence it's going to be great. But not this time.

Big Show beat Carlito with a choke slam

JBL did a promo as Santa saying the soldiers were bad, Afghanistan has no beer, canceled every holiday that you can think of, until yet another Santa comes out. This was Mick Foley. It ended up with Mick Santa vs. John Santaw Layfield in a comedy match with Foley winning with a double arm DDT and Mr. Socko

John Cena beat Chris Masters, breaking the masterlock and using the FU

Ric Flair beat Jonathan Coachman with the figure four in an IC title match

Gene Snitsky beat Shelton Benjamin with a high kick

Thats what has happened so far and every match has sucked.

[Mr. Socko]

Just now: Candice & Maria beat Trish & Ashley when Candice pinned Ashley with a school girl roll up

It was some nice eye candy but thats all, WWE is not suspose to be the place for eye candy.

[The Ghoul]

I think the Chris Masters sucks. But if they spent 11 months billing the Masterlock as this unbreakable move. Someone else besides Cena should have made the break.

[Mr. Socko]

GOD! Does Booker T not get any credit 'cause he's black. Booker T was the first person to ever break the Masterlock, he did it at WM21 in a dark match. It's on the Mania 21 DVD.

Just like people like to twist things around and say Ric is a 16x World Champ.

[The Ghoul]

I haven't seen the dvd

[Mr. Socko]

Oh ok

And why is it that Ric Flair's title holds can be called World Title but when it's Booker T people call him the "5x WCW Champ" and not "5x World Champ"

The Book gets no respect lol

[Colossal Spoons]

Booker's been stuck in upper mid-card limbo for a while now. He needs to lose his wife though.

[NDX]

Well, tonight was a lackluster showing. I was hoping for more. The show felt worst than a low budget indy fed. Maybe that's a little harsh, but the episode could have been better.

[TheVileOne]

Was tonight's RAW the one in Afghanistan?

[Colossal Spoons]

Yup

[White_Howling]

Just now: Candice & Maria beat Trish & Ashley when Candice pinned Ashley with a school girl roll up

It was some nice eye candy but thats all, WWE is not suspose to be the place for eye candy.


does anyone know hy christy H. was fired?

Asley is gonna get booted as soon as her contract runs out.. well thats to hoping..

yeah someone better break the masterlock besides cena.. at least he didnt' jump around like a little kid this time

[NDX]

I thought this would be interesting to post here. A fan's reaction to Armageddon.

L.L. of PWI sent this one:

Floor seats, 9th row behind Cole and Tazz...$100 down the drain. The problem with buying tix to PPV's is that they go on sale well before you know the deal. Knowing it was Smackdown! should have been enough to not do it. Never again...NEVER.

This was without a doubt one of the worst put together PPVs I've ever seen. JBL talking on the mic...a 10 minute Boogeyman segment where he beats up Santa Claus (and poor Nunzio dressed up like an elf) and for what?...a thrown together Lashley match, and a Hell in the Cell that was so small, they couldn't even do half the spots they wanted to in the ring, not to mention Batista and Mysterio not even able to get over on their own brand's PPV. Now your tag team division looks absolutely weak, not to mention your brand as a whole. When the highlight of the night is Juventud losing the strap to Kash, that's pretty sad. I told my buddy that Kash looked like a Partridge family member with his new locks. The amount of fluff was ridiculous and for the most part, tasteless. If WWE thinks so little of their fans, perhaps it's time for the fans to think so little of WWE. They think they can just throw a Cell match on the card and the rest will take care of itself. Absolutely horrible.

The crowd was active early. One section decided to be cute and cheered for JBL early on. It was obvious they were trying to make their mark and it was just stupid. Only a quarter of the top of the building was tarped...may have been comp city according to your earlier reports about ticket sales.

EVERYONE was disappointed that the Hell in the Cell door was opened and nobody got out of the cage! Of course this match sells because there is the "possibility" of a major spot. But for WWE to show highlights of all the big spots all week long and to come through with this match was a major disappointment for the live fans. For 'Taker to climb on top of the cage AFTER the match had ended simply pissed me off and was too little too late. I understand the table, chair, and chain spots were an attempt to make the match "brutal" but watching 'Taker and Orton having to duck around so they wouldn't hit their heads on the top of the cell during the major spots was laughable.

The Tim White segment was the worst thing I've ever seen on WWE television...period. And that's saying a lot. My buddy and I were so disgusted with it that he grabbed his coat and wanted to leave. I said, "Hell no"...not before the cage match. It was just so tasteless on so many different levels...I can't believe, for the simple fact that they were in Providence, that they would run an angle like that. It does nothing for anyone. There's nowhere for that to go. The worst fluff in the world.

The most important note was that I was sitting in the lodge section, one section over from the entranceway. I happened to be on the end seat. During the Tim White angle, just below me, both Bruce Prichard and Kevin Dunn came out to watch it on the Jumbotron. Not sure why, but they stayed there until the whole segment was over.

Nobody in the crowd really cared what happened. During Kid Kash-Juvi, the crowd was dead. No reaction to either man except near the end when both used a few high spots Even when Kash won the title there were almost no cheers at all. There were a lot of "end this match now" chants however.

[Eric Draven]

Bret didn't hate him that much until the screwjob. Maybe I might grow up a bit when you learn to use proper pronunciation and capitalize the letter i.

Didn't Bret and Shawn get in a fist fight one night before Raw? I think it all started because Shawn insinuated that Bret was having an affair with Sunny, and then Bret grabbed Shawn by his hair and a fight started....:confused:

[Gameruler]

Random note away from actual conversation:

Why do they have Maria be a moron? She can't be that dumb. When she was intelligent at the Trial of Bischoff I found that more of a turn on then when she's really dumb like almost walking into the mines room. Anybody else agree with me?

[PyroChamber]

does anyone know hy christy H. was fired?

Asley is gonna get booted as soon as her contract runs out.. well thats to hoping...From what I've read there are 2 speculations: 1) Christy asked for more money and they let her go. 2) Vince didn't think she was bringing anything to the WWE so they sent her to OVW thinking that she would quit, and when she didn't they fired her instead.

I wouldn't be surprised if they did let Ashley go, other than that small feud with Torrie/Candice/Victoria she hasn't really done anything, especially since Mickie James got there.

Why do they have Maria be a moron? She can't be that dumb. When she was intelligent at the Trial of Bischoff I found that more of a turn on then when she's really dumb like almost walking into the mines room. Anybody else agree with me?Apparently one time when she interviewed Edge, she called him "The Edge" and they pretty much have been going with the whole dumb thing ever since that one goof up. But I also read that there are talks of making her a heel.

God I hope the Smackdown Troops show is at least somewhat better than Raw, it was boring. I just said screw it and watched Daredevil: DD on FX.

[TheVileOne]

Random note away from actual conversation:

Why do they have Maria be a moron? She can't be that dumb. When she was intelligent at the Trial of Bischoff I found that more of a turn on then when she's really dumb like almost walking into the mines room. Anybody else agree with me?

Because she really is an air-headed idiot. They gave her that character because she just comes off that way and she started making stupid mistakes during her interviewing.

[3dman27]

Wow, that really is tasteless. Shock value runs the WWE.
i didn't watch it but i see your point

[The Ghoul]

God I hope the Smackdown Troops show is at least somewhat better than Raw, it was boring. I just said screw it and watched Daredevil: DD on FX.

There is no SD troops show. It's a "Best Of" this week.

[Hunter Rider]

There is no SD troops show. It's a "Best Of" this week.

Only an hour long then ?http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif

[The Techno Bat]

Oh ok

And why is it that Ric Flair's title holds can be called World Title but when it's Booker T people call him the "5x WCW Champ" and not "5x World Champ"

The Book gets no respect lol

I think the difference is that Ric Flair has held the world title in wCw, nWa, & the WWE, and Booker T has only held the world title in wCw, so that is probably why they say 5x wCw champion for Booker T, and it is just easier to say 16x world champion for Ric Flair instead of listing each federation, hope it helps :batman:

in doing some research Ric Flair has actually held 25 world title belts:

NWA TITLE RUNS
01. Defeated Dusty Rhodes September 17, 1981 in Kansas City, Missouri
02. Defeated Carlitos Colon January 23, 1983 in San Juan, Puerto Rico
03. Defeated Harley Race November 24, 1983 in Greensboro, North Carolina
04. Defeated Harley Race March 23, 1984 in Kallang, Singapore
05. Defeated Kerry Von Erich in Yokosuka, Japan on May 24, 1984
06. Defeated Dusty Rhodes August 7, 1986 in St. Louis, Missouri
07. Defeated Ronnie Garvin November 26, 1987 in Chicago, Illinois
08. Defeated Ricky Steamboat May 7, 1989 in Nashville, Tennessee
09. Defeated Sting January 11, 1991 in East Rutherford, New Jersey
10. Defeated Tatsumi Fujinami May 19, 1991 in St. Petersburg, Florida
11. Defeated Barry Windham July 18, 1993 in Biloxi, Mississippi

WCW WORLD TITLE RUNS
01. Defeated Sting January 11, 1991 in East Rutherford, New Jersey
02. Defeated Vader December 27, 1993 in Charlotte, North Carolina
03. Defeated Ricky Steamboat May 14, 1994 in Atlanta, Georgia (title had been held up)
04. Defeated Randy Savage December 27, 1995 in Nashville, Tennessee
05. Defeated Randy Savage February 11, 1996 in St. Petersburg, Florida
06. Defeated Hulk Hogan March 14, 1999 in Louisville, Kentucky
07. Defeated Jeff Jarrett May 15, 2000 in Biloxi, Mississippi
08. Awarded the title on May 29, 2000 in Salt Lake City, Utah

WWE/WWF WORLD TITLE RUNS
01. Won the Royal Rumble on January 19, 1992 in Albany, New York
02. Defeated Randy Savage September 1, 1992 in Hershey, Pennsylvania

NWA MID-ATLANTIC WORLD TITLE RUNS
01. Defeated Wahoo McDaniel September 20, 1975 in Hampton, Virginia
02. Defeated Wahoo McDaniel May 24, 1976 in Charlotte, North Carolina
03. Defeated Wahoo McDaniel October 16, 1976 in Greensboro, North Carolina

NWA MISSOURI WORLD TITLE RUN
01. Defeated David Von Erich July 15, 1983

[The Techno Bat]

I thought this would be interesting to post here. A fan's reaction to Armageddon.

L.L. of PWI sent this one:

Floor seats, 9th row behind Cole and Tazz...$100 down the drain. The problem with buying tix to PPV's is that they go on sale well before you know the deal. Knowing it was Smackdown! should have been enough to not do it. Never again...NEVER.

This was without a doubt one of the worst put together PPVs I've ever seen. JBL talking on the mic...a 10 minute Boogeyman segment where he beats up Santa Claus (and poor Nunzio dressed up like an elf) and for what?...a thrown together Lashley match, and a Hell in the Cell that was so small, they couldn't even do half the spots they wanted to in the ring, not to mention Batista and Mysterio not even able to get over on their own brand's PPV. Now your tag team division looks absolutely weak, not to mention your brand as a whole. When the highlight of the night is Juventud losing the strap to Kash, that's pretty sad. I told my buddy that Kash looked like a Partridge family member with his new locks. The amount of fluff was ridiculous and for the most part, tasteless. If WWE thinks so little of their fans, perhaps it's time for the fans to think so little of WWE. They think they can just throw a Cell match on the card and the rest will take care of itself. Absolutely horrible.

The crowd was active early. One section decided to be cute and cheered for JBL early on. It was obvious they were trying to make their mark and it was just stupid. Only a quarter of the top of the building was tarped...may have been comp city according to your earlier reports about ticket sales.

EVERYONE was disappointed that the Hell in the Cell door was opened and nobody got out of the cage! Of course this match sells because there is the "possibility" of a major spot. But for WWE to show highlights of all the big spots all week long and to come through with this match was a major disappointment for the live fans. For 'Taker to climb on top of the cage AFTER the match had ended simply pissed me off and was too little too late. I understand the table, chair, and chain spots were an attempt to make the match "brutal" but watching 'Taker and Orton having to duck around so they wouldn't hit their heads on the top of the cell during the major spots was laughable.

The Tim White segment was the worst thing I've ever seen on WWE television...period. And that's saying a lot. My buddy and I were so disgusted with it that he grabbed his coat and wanted to leave. I said, "Hell no"...not before the cage match. It was just so tasteless on so many different levels...I can't believe, for the simple fact that they were in Providence, that they would run an angle like that. It does nothing for anyone. There's nowhere for that to go. The worst fluff in the world.

The most important note was that I was sitting in the lodge section, one section over from the entranceway. I happened to be on the end seat. During the Tim White angle, just below me, both Bruce Prichard and Kevin Dunn came out to watch it on the Jumbotron. Not sure why, but they stayed there until the whole segment was over.

Nobody in the crowd really cared what happened. During Kid Kash-Juvi, the crowd was dead. No reaction to either man except near the end when both used a few high spots Even when Kash won the title there were almost no cheers at all. There were a lot of "end this match now" chants however.

Very interesting read, that is why I don't bother getting a WWE ppv unless both brands are put together for the PPV.

I think the problem with the Juvi vs Kid Kash match up is, that Vince doesn't care about the cruiserweights and doesn't give them enough air time, except on Velocity, which nobody watches, and then when he does highlight the cruiserweights it is two guys that some people might not even know. Sure most of us know Kid Kash and Juvi from wcw, ecw, or tna, but it seems like Kid Kash just arrived to WWE and BAAAAAM he is thrown in a title match against Juvi, who is sorta in the same boat, granted he has been in WWE a bit longer, but he has been with The Mexicools, and then suddenly he is a solo guy? Vince needs to really sit back and watch what TNA is doing with the X division and allow his cruiserweights the oppurtunity to shine, like they truly can, we are not going to care about wrestlers that are only spotlighted from time to time, so he can suck us in as viewers to watch his big muscle headed, steroid monsters!

And I don't know about anybody else but my brother and I had a real problem with Batista and Rey Mysterio winning the tag titles from MNM on SD last friday night, why? So they could have a champion vs champion match? And from reading the results Batista and Rey got squashed anyway so what did it matter? It only ruins SD's tag team division which is soooooooooo weak. MNM are a great tag team and they should have been allowed to hold onto the straps so they could defend them against The Mexicools.

And what exactly happened with the Tim White segment?

[The Techno Bat]

BWAAAAAAA HA HA HA HE HE HE AHA HA HA HA.......
Holla Holla Holla, can you feel me playa?

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pictures/s/skyscrapers/06.jpg

[PyroChamber]

^^Goddamn, Undertaker and Teddy Long, that must have been a LONG time ago. Who's the blonde guy?

[Hunter Rider]

^^Goddamn, Undertaker and Teddy Long, that must have been a LONG time ago. Who's the blonde guy?

austin

[Lobo]

HR Ghost Rider looks great :). Oh and should I borrow the ppv from someone?

[Eric Draven]

Isn't the blonde guy Dan Spivey? :confused:

[The Undertaker]

Isn't the blonde guy Dan Spivey? :confused:

Correct. Taker' was taking the place of Psycho Sid who I believe was out healing a serious injury. The team went by the name 'The New Skyscrapers'.

[Eric Draven]

I remember that guy as Waylon Mercy, damn that was a pretty kickass character during the years of horrible gimmicks the WWF had :up:

Wasn't there also a rumor that Spivey was initially going to be Kane before they got Glen Jacobs?

[Lobo]

Yep and at The time WWF had the twin towers :)

[Hunter Rider]

Yep and at The time WWF had the twin towers :)

The Twin Towers rocked,i loved their entrance musichttp://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif

[3dman27]

why was maria in the divas tag match on mondays show ?i thought she was an interveiwer not a wrestler

[Hunter Rider]

Partial Source: WrestlingObserver.com Newsletter

- Rumor has the returning Jamal aligning himself with John Cena is an attempt to give Cena's thug character street cred.

Here are some rumored PPV buyrates:

- ECW One Night Stand - upped to about 330,000 buys, estimated
- Vengeance - with HHH vs. Batista, hell in the cell, drew about 472,000 buys. The original estimate was around 315,000.
- Summerslam - estimated at 534,000 buys, headlined by Hogan vs. Michaels. Last year's Summerslam did about 387,000 buys.
- Unforgiven - projected at 225,000 buys
- No Mercy - est. at 219,000 buys. Of course, it was Eddie Guerrero's last PPV

[The Ghoul]

because she was there. If Victoria went she would take her place.

[Gameruler]

Partial Source: WrestlingObserver.com Newsletter

- Rumor has the returning Jamal aligning himself with John Cena is an attempt to give Cena's thug character street cred.

Here are some rumored PPV buyrates:

- ECW One Night Stand - upped to about 330,000 buys, estimated
- Vengeance - with HHH vs. Batista, hell in the cell, drew about 472,000 buys. The original estimate was around 315,000.
- Summerslam - estimated at 534,000 buys, headlined by Hogan vs. Michaels. Last year's Summerslam did about 387,000 buys.
- Unforgiven - projected at 225,000 buys
- No Mercy - est. at 219,000 buys. Of course, it was Eddie Guerrero's last PPV
I bought ECW One Night Stand on PPV and Vengeance on PPV.

So I contributed to something! Also I bought most of the PPVs in 2004 too except for Backlash, Judgement Day, Great American Bash, and also 2005 No Way Out.

Just wanted to get that out there. Not like it matters. :)

[punishermax]

BWAAAAAAA HA HA HA HE HE HE AHA HA HA HA.......
Holla Holla Holla, can you feel me playa?

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pictures/s/skyscrapers/06.jpg

Was that when 'Taker was known as "Mean" Mark Callous or something.

[Hunter Rider]

Was that when 'Taker was known as "Mean" Mark Callous or something.

Either that or Dice "The Punisher" Morgan

[Sarge 2.0]

Was that when 'Taker was known as "Mean" Mark Callous or something.Yeah. I think "Punisher" Dice Morgan was before his WCW stint though, hunter.

[Colossal Spoons]

why was maria in the divas tag match on mondays show ?i thought she was an interveiwer not a wrestler

Well she was fighting Ashley...

[Gameruler]

I saw a thing on WWE 24/7 and Taker wasn't Taker and he didn't have any tattoos!! Man is he white. :)

[Sarge 2.0]

I saw a thing on WWE 24/7 and Taker wasn't Taker and he didn't have any tattoos!! Man is he white. :)Like pale? Yeah, kinda. Although when the Undertaker character first started out he didn't have any tatoos either, and he used white paint to seem more like a zombie.

[Hunter Rider]

From ChristyHemme.com:

Hello everyone! Thank you so much to everyone who has and is still supporting me. Even though the partnership with WWE and I did not end very will (sic), I am truly thankful for the experience. All I can say at this time to clear up some of the rumors, there was no battle over money. Money was never my motivation for working. Truth is that I was completely dedicated to the company and believed in everything I was doing. I trusted it. I was willing to put my personal life aside to give everything I had to what I was doin and become better wrestler/performer. I was told that I was a budget cut and creatively they didn't have anything for me. I am very disappointed in the WWE, where I learned a very important lesson. I am a very determined person with a huge amount of engery for my life and my career. Everything happens for a reason and anything that has happened in my life that has knocked me down has only built me back up stronger. I feel stronger than ever and I am hungry for this huge future before me. Again, THANK YOU soooo much to everyone who has believed in me and is supporting me.

On a side note, Christy had recently relocated to Louisville, Kentucky and had done EVERYTHING that was asked of her.

[PyroChamber]

Damn, they pretty much laid her off. Oh well, there's always TNA I guess

[3dman27]

maybe

[The Ghoul]

There is said to be some intrest on TNA's side

[SLYspyder]

it's ridiculous the way some of you guys are saying 'raw in afghanistan sucked'.

it's a freaking show to entertain the troops, not a PPV event. i didn't watch the damn show for matches, I watched to see the WWE stars interact with the troops, and that's what the show was sold as. and i enjoyed it.

[Sabretooth]

There's a rumor floating around that the real reason Christy was released was because Stephanie McMahon felt that Christy was too excited about touring with HHH and Batista :rolleyes:

If it is true,I could believe it.:o

[Hunter Rider]

One source within WWE says that Shelton Benjamin's string of losses over the past few months was punishment for behavior directed at a veteran road agent.

The Torch Newsletter described the behavior as a "blatant negative and disrespectful attitude shown toward at least one veteran road agent."

As indicated with Big Vito's recent "punishment" on television, if one's political and on-screen position is not secure, he opens himself to trouble when committing backstage misconduct.

[Sabretooth]

C'mon Benjamin,don't become an ******* already :(

[LastSunrise1981]

There's a rumor floating around that the real reason Christy was released was because Stephanie McMahon felt that Christy was too excited about touring with HHH and Batista :rolleyes:

If it is true,I could believe it.:o

If that's true, then all the more reason why the WWE deserves to go down the drain. :up:

I personally think it was because Christy was willing to improve and she was improving as far as wrestling concerned.

So wait, Edge has an affair with Lita and neither of them are punished. But apparently Christy is excited to tour with HHH and Batista, all of a sudden it's a huge problem and she's released?

Boy, TNA is just going to take all the talent WWE has and I can't say that I blame them either.

[3dman27]

my sentiments exactly

[The Ghoul]

lita was punished with the angle & with her character being turned into a whore.

[The Ghoul]

I got Hardcore Homecoming today. It is ****ing awesome except that the 2nd disc which is supposed to be special features. It's actually the same thing as the event itself. so i am pissed.

[Sarge 2.0]

Guess who's going to a ROH show in January? :D

[Gameruler]

Lita should start to wrestle again so we can see that crazy style of hers.

[punishermax]

Guess who's going to a ROH show in January? :D

Hmmmm.......John Stamos?