Wrestling

[Super_Ludacris]

How long have you been watching Wrestling for? That was his persona. That's like changing Spiderman and Superman's costume.

WTF the dude is called the Undertaker and he's rolling out on a bike to some Limp Bizkit/Kid Rock looking like a Mid-Card WCW wreslter from the mid-80's (oh wait that's what Mark Calloway was before he was the Undertaker)

His matches were better? Man as the deadman the Hell in the Cell matches (vs. Homobottom Micheals in 97 for example) and casket matches and buried matches were dope.

Can't shake the architecht of this wrestling ****

the Deadman gimmick=consistent for 16 years
The Biker= Boring after a year

[Sarge 2.0]

He was unwatchable for 6 years to me,i hate the zombie stuff and lightning blowing up the ring
Biker Taker was a real chaarcter and his matches were much better because he actually bothered to sell the other guys moves instead of doing the zombie nonsenseMeh, he wasn't really a "real character", just Stone Cold with a Harley. There was more character from 1990-1999 than there was in the 2000-2003 period. Also, he sold mostly everything MNM and Henry threw at him last night. :o

[Hunter Rider]

Ive seen Taker since he started and it wasn't until he worked Foley that he even interested me,his gimmick was always stupid to me,Magic and sacrifice and all that **** was just plain stupid
As Biker Taker he started wrestling proper matches,HBK playing pinball for him and Foley having the **** kicked out of him do not mean he was having great matches it means the other guys were giving their ass for him
When he turned into Biker Taker he seemed less of a freakshow and more a straight ass kicker,his promos were better and stopped making ppl look weak

[Hunter Rider]

Meh, he wasn't really a "real character", just Stone Cold with a Harley. There was more character from 1990-1999 than there was in the 2000-2003 period. Also, he sold mostly everything MNM and Henry threw at him last night. :o

He was fine when he came back as even though he still has the stupid gimmick circa 90's he is working the style he started using in 97 and then back in 2000

[Sarge 2.0]

Ive seen Taker since he started and it wasn't until he worked Foley that he even interested me,his gimmick was always stupid to me,Magic and sacrifice and all that **** was just plain stupid
As Biker Taker he started wrestling proper matches,HBK playing pinball for him and Foley having the **** kicked out of him do not mean he was having great matches it means the other guys were giving their ass for him
When he turned into Biker Taker he seemed less of a freakshow and more a straight ass kicker,his promos were better and stopped making ppl look weakHe wrestled proper matches during his Lord of Darkness period, hell, he even did well in the Hogan title match at SS '91. His matches with Bret Hart, the Rock, SC, and even Diesel showcased how athletic he was. When he decided to ride on the heels of the Attitude Era and change what made him cool and interesting, he was practically unwatchable. Hell, he wasn't even really the Undertaker any more...just the same guy you could see anywhere in wrestling at the time.

[Super_Ludacris]

I think this is the first dude who hates the dead-man taker.

*hits him over the head with the Urn and throws him in the casket*

[Hunter Rider]

He wrestled proper matches during his Lord of Darkness period, hell, he even did well in the Hogan title match at SS '91. His matches with Bret Hart, the Rock, SC, and even Diesel showcased how athletic he was. When he decided to ride on the heels of the Attitude Era and change what made him cool and interesting, he was practically unwatchable. Hell, he wasn't even really the Undertaker any more...just the same guy you could see anywhere in wrestling at the time.

You should come over to DVDR Sarge,there is a long debate going about him vs Sting-who was better...this was my post on the topic

It's the tale of two halves
Stings first half 90-96 saw him booked against better workers for sure but i don't think that undermines how well he played his role,he was a charismatic and energetic worker who sold a convincing beating and made the best most athletic comebacks since Steamboat
On the opposite of this Taker had the most debilitating gimmick ever in the zombie routine and basically was a bore to watch 90-96 WWF pre Mankind series

From Sting disappearing into the rafters Taker enjoyed an awakening with the Foley feud and then had some good matches as champ in 97 with Austin,Vader and Hart before finishing the year with a great program with HBK
Come 98 both slipped into cruise control with sting returning to full time performing and looking a shadow of his former self and he would have only one more good match before the end of WCW in 2001

In 99 Taker was into the full darkside thing again but was still slightly better than Sting but it was on his return after 9 months on the shelf as Biker Taker that gave us his best period,both as heel and face from May 2000 to getting buried in November 2003
In that period he worked some great matches introducing submission holds into his repertoire,dropping the magic nonsense altogether and selling a lot more

[Super_Ludacris]

If he was such a bore how come people wanted him to go back to that deadman persona and he was one of the most popular wreslters during that 90's period (still is) that's what I gotta ask

[Hunter Rider]

I think this is the first dude who hates the dead-man taker.

*hits him over the head with the Urn and throws him in the casket*

No Draven agree's with me and so do a lot of other ppl,i know some pppl always want lightning bolt shooting magic taker who no sells everyone and Yellow Hogan but some of us prefer the less cartoony versions,no big deal:)

[Sarge 2.0]

You should come over to DVDR Sarge,there is a long debate going about him vs Sting-who was better...this was my post on the topic

It's the tale of two halves
Stings first half 90-96 saw him booked against better workers for sure but i don't think that undermines how well he played his role,he was a charismatic and energetic worker who sold a convincing beating and made the best most athletic comebacks since Steamboat
On the opposite of this Taker had the most debilitating gimmick ever in the zombie routine and basically was a bore to watch 90-96 WWF pre Mankind series

From Sting disappearing into the rafters Taker enjoyed an awakening with the Foley feud and then had some good matches as champ in 97 with Austin,Vader and Hart before finishing the year with a great program with HBK
Come 98 both slipped into cruise control with sting returning to full time performing and looking a shadow of his former self and he would have only one more good match before the end of WCW in 2001

In 99 Taker was into the full darkside thing again but was still slightly better than Sting but it was on his return after 9 months on the shelf as Biker Taker that gave us his best period,both as heel and face from May 2000 to getting buried in November 2003
In that period he worked some great matches introducing submission holds into his repertoire,dropping the magic nonsense altogether and selling a lot moreHmm, what forum is that in? The 80's one?

[Super_Ludacris]

No Draven agree's with me and so do a lot of other ppl,i know some pppl always want lightning bolt shooting magic taker who no sells everyone and Yellow Hogan but some of us prefer the less cartoony versions,no big deal:)


Man only ****ing nerds on the internet say that go-against-the-grain bull****. In the real world the deadman Undertaker is a popular legend.

[Hunter Rider]

If he was such a bore how come people wanted him to go back to that deadman persona and he was one of the most popular wreslters during that 90's period (still is) that's what I gotta ask

some ppl watch wrestling for the characters they don't care what the matches are like,they just want gimmicks,thats why Taker had a cult following who loved that character and that is fine
But for me a guy that walks around the ring for ten minutes choking a guy was not entertaining and when i watch now i find his exploding of rings with lightning while a grown guy pretends to be scared very stupid
His matches once the bell rings are still fine except when he no sells finshers and won't job

[Hunter Rider]

Man only ****ing nerds on the internet say that go-against-the-grain bull****. In the real world the deadman Undertaker is a popular legend.

No it isnt about names,some ppl ust have different tastes,just cos some ppl like silly **** and some dont isnt a grounds for labels

[Hunter Rider]

Hmm, what forum is that in? The 80's one?

Non Stick Wrestling,its the top one on the main page

[Sarge 2.0]

some ppl watch wrestling for the characters they don't care what the matches are like,they just want gimmicks,thats why Taker had a cult following who loved that character and that is fine
But for me a guy that walks around the ring for ten minutes choking a guy was not entertaining and when i watch now i find his exploding of rings with lightning while a grown guy pretends to be scared very stupid
His matches once the bell rings are still fine except when he no sells finshers and won't jobDon't tell me you didn't cream yourself when he choked Hogan on the turnbuckle whilst rolling his eyes back in savage glee. ;)

[Super_Ludacris]

some ppl watch wrestling for the characters they don't care what the matches are like,they just want gimmicks,thats why Taker had a cult following who loved that character and that is fine
But for me a guy that walks around the ring for ten minutes choking a guy was not entertaining and when i watch now i find his exploding of rings with lightning while a grown guy pretends to be scared very stupid
His matches once the bell rings are still fine except when he no sells finshers and won't job


Dude was one of the most agile big men in the game, and he was doing all that even when he was the deadman. That whole walking on the ropes the running knee to the gut, the run and slide under the ring, the powerful chokeslam he was doing all that in the ring, nothing slow there. Re-watch the tapes

[Super_Ludacris]

Don't tell me you didn't cream yourself when he choked Hogan on the turnbuckle whilst rolling his eyes back in savage glee. ;)


I mean I didn't but I get your point. It's bad enough I'm watching two grown men in the ring in underwear groping each other. I dont need to cream over that ****..:( ...............but point taken

[Hunter Rider]

Dude was one of the most agile big men in the game, and he was doing all that even when he was the deadman. That whole walking on the ropes the running knee to the gut, the run and slide under the ring, the powerful chokeslam he was doing all that in the ring, nothing slow there. Re-watch the tapes

Most of the things you are describing are post-96 except the chokelsam and the rope walking,with the occasional cothesline,i never said he didn't have agility but 3 spots in 20 mintues is not a lot
If you listen to his shoot intereview on off the record he talks about how he hated his first few years because he wasn't aloowed to speak or do the move set he was capable of

[Hunter Rider]

Don't tell me you didn't cream yourself when he choked Hogan on the turnbuckle whilst rolling his eyes back in savage glee. ;)

I just wanted Macho Man to win:( funniest thing was when Hogan pulled Sid out and the crowd booed his ass off and for weeks later the WWE edited Hogan chants over the footagehttp://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif

[Super_Ludacris]

Most of the things you are describing are post-96 except the chokelsam and the rope walking,with the occasioanla cothesline,i never said he didn't have agility but 3 spots in s0 mintues is not a lot
If you listen to his shoot intereview on off the record he talks about how he hated his first few years because he wasn't aloowed to speak or do the move set he was capable of


Well I was talking pre-96 specfically 1991-1992. He may have hated it but he was doing his thing. End of the day though it's all about the deadman persona, he doesnt need to be a stupid biker to set the tempo more in the ring. That was a weird changeover

[Hunter Rider]

Well I was talking pre-96 specfically 1991-1992. He may have hated it but he was doing his thing. End of the day though it's all about the deadman persona, he doesnt need to be a stupid biker to set the tempo more in the ring. That was a weird changeover

The thing is in real life he is a Biker and he fit perfectly into it,it was a transition to a character that he needed in a time filled with Austin,Rock and HHH who were all realistic
Taker shooting things out of his hands and all the supernatural stuff was just to stupid,the attitude area was all about cynical anti gimmick characters
As it stands now his in ring work is solid enough even if he won't job and the entrance is cool but i miss his sarcastic big dog promo's as he never speaks more than line now and i also can't stand the stupid possessing announcers and blowing up rings stuff,i mean logic dictates why wrestle the guy just fry him and pin him lol

[Lobo]

Your favorite wrestler is The boogeyman and you know it :mad:

[Hunter Rider]

Your favorite wrestler is The boogeyman and you know it :mad:

LOL i just run his segments on,but hey they are getting viewing figures so who cares if he can't wrestle,i hoenstly think they should have kept him as a backstage character

[Jason Blood]

I can't believe how well MNM has progressed since their first match on Smackdown (then again they never were bad or anything)

Has Hardy quit doing the leg drop or was that elbow a one time thing?

[Hunter Rider]

Source: PWInsider.com

It was announced this past week on WWE Monday Night RAW that Bret Hart would be an inductee into the 2006 WWE Hall of Fame this year in Chicago, IL at the Rosemont Theatre on April 1. New reports are now indicating that Vince McMahon personally called Hart on or around the morning of February 5 to invite him to take part in the Hall of Fame ceremony this year.

According to reports, McMahon pushed the idea to Hart as a way for him to thank his fans and get a chance to provide some closure since he was never able to do so. It should be noted that when Hart accepted the offer, he kept with his stance that he would never work for WWE again and in saying that is not being paid for his appearance. WWE will however handle his travels and lodging costs for bringing him to Chicago with his wife.

One of the things Hart has continued to turn down when offered was getting involved in the current Shawn Michaels and Vince McMahon storyline. This is no surprise as Hart has stated on more than one occassion that he would never involve himself in a WWE storyline, especially with McMahon or Michaels as fans might be given the impression that what took place in 1997 at Survivor Series was a "work" after all.

In addition to appearing at the 2006 WWE Hall of Fame ceremony at the Rosemont Theatre on April 1 in Chicago, Hart is also expected to appear in front of the crowd at WrestleMania 22 the following night at the Allstate Arena. This will be Hart's first appearance at a WrestleMania in 10 years. His last WrestleMania appearance was at WrestleMania 13 in 1997 at the same Allstate Arena when he faced Steve Austin in the classic Submission Match.

[Super_Ludacris]

The thing is in real life he is a Biker and he fit perfectly into it,it was a transition to a character that he needed in a time filled with Austin,Rock and HHH who were all realistic
Taker shooting things out of his hands and all the supernatural stuff was just to stupid,the attitude area was all about cynical anti gimmick characters
As it stands now his in ring work is solid enough even if he won't job and the entrance is cool but i miss his sarcastic big dog promo's as he never speaks more than line now and i also can't stand the stupid possessing announcers and blowing up rings stuff,i mean logic dictates why wrestle the guy just fry him and pin him lol


But that **** was popular, that's the point. He is one of the most successful gimmick wrestlers in the history of the industry. Because of how he fought it and because people were loving that supernatural stuff. Mark Collaway is known as the Undertaker, nobody wants to see him as just Mark the biker his appeal is lost and the evidence speaks for itself, that gimmick as a biker simply did not last long
The difference is that Austin, Rock and HHH came in with personas that were basically themselves or personas that just plain and boring (When Steve as great as a wrestler as he was was just "Stunning" Steve in WCW or Rock as Rocky Mavia with the fuirty stringy top or when HHH was in WCW for a breif time as Jean Leveq or whatever)
And besides arguing that Taker's promo shoots were over the top and unrealistic is an oxymoron within itself...........IT's WWF/WWE PROFESSIONAL WRESTLING. They always got shoots like that. If you want something else, there's always old WCW/NWA tapes from the 70's

[The Batman]

How long have you been watching Wrestling for? That was his persona. That's like changing Spiderman and Superman's costume.

WTF the dude is called the Undertaker and he's rolling out on a bike to some Limp Bizkit/Kid Rock looking like a Mid-Card WCW wreslter from the mid-80's (oh wait that's what Mark Calloway was before he was the Undertaker)

His matches were better? Man as the deadman the Hell in the Cell matches (vs. Homobottom Micheals in 97 for example) and casket matches and buried matches were dope.

Can't shake the architecht of this wrestling ****

the Deadman gimmick=consistent for 16 years
The Biker= Boring after a year


bingo.

The Deadman is what made the undertaker popular in the first place. I bet you if he started his career as biker taker, he wouldnt have lasted long. It was only because after being the mysterious deadman that biker taker was successful. People were interested in seeing the man behind the phenom.

but, during the whole gimmick i kept saying to myself how this guy was not the undertaker. The Undertaker i knew wouldnt have cheesy angles with his wife and DDP, talking about his yard and acting like every other cliche badass character since the attitude era. It was only when Big Evil was a heel that the biker was even remotely entertaining. I find that most people only like taker because he loses to people more, and added like two submission moves to his moveset.

But the Deadman gimmick is just more interesting. The mystique, the entrance, etc. Is excellent. Deadman Taker has excellent psycology. His Character adds, or used to add to the match. Deadman Taker is one of smackdowns biggest stars, so the WWE is doing somehting right

[3dman27]

I can't believe how well MNM has progressed since their first match on Smackdown (then again they never were bad or anything)

Has Hardy quit doing the leg drop or was that elbow a one time thing?
wasn't there somethin about nitro ang mercury getting axed

[White_Howling]

wasn't there somethin about nitro ang mercury getting axed

I'm praying for that to happen

[Hunter Rider]

But that **** was popular, that's the point. He is one of the most successful gimmick wrestlers in the history of the industry. Because of how he fought it and because people were loving that supernatural stuff. Mark Collaway is known as the Undertaker, nobody wants to see him as just Mark the biker his appeal is lost and the evidence speaks for itself, that gimmick as a biker simply did not last long
The difference is that Austin, Rock and HHH came in with personas that were basically themselves or personas that just plain and boring (When Steve as great as a wrestler as he was was just "Stunning" Steve in WCW or Rock as Rocky Mavia with the fuirty stringy top or when HHH was in WCW for a breif time as Jean Leveq or whatever)
And besides arguing that Taker's promo shoots were over the top and unrealistic is an oxymoron within itself...........IT's WWF/WWE PROFESSIONAL WRESTLING. They always got shoots like that. If you want something else, there's always old WCW/NWA tapes from the 70's


You talk about WWE always having stuff like that which is bull****,no one has ever shot lightning out of their hands,possessed ppl,commited hoimicide on PPV and died twice in 3 moths

[Super_Ludacris]

You talk about WWE always having stuff like that which is bull****,no one has ever shot lightning out of their hands,possessed ppl,commited hoimicide on PPV and died twice in 3 moths

Not everyone had a gimmick like Taker's but they always had absurb shoots that fitted there characters. Remember when Papa Shango put a curse on the Ultimate Warrior and that green **** started oozing out of his head, or Big Show nearly killing Kurt Angle, Warrior getting thrown in the Snake Pit with real snakes, Macho and Liz having a wedding as a main event etc

[KingOfDreams]

pro wrestling is teh fake and teh suk. bye bye now.

[Hunter Rider]

bingo.

The Deadman is what made the undertaker popular in the first place. I bet you if he started his career as biker taker, he wouldnt have lasted long. It was only because after being the mysterious deadman that biker taker was successful. People were interested in seeing the man behind the phenom.

but, during the whole gimmick i kept saying to myself how this guy was not the undertaker. The Undertaker i knew wouldnt have cheesy angles with his wife and DDP, talking about his yard and acting like every other cliche badass character since the attitude era. It was only when Big Evil was a heel that the biker was even remotely entertaining. I find that most people only like taker because he loses to people more, and added like two submission moves to his moveset.

But the Deadman gimmick is just more interesting. The mystique, the entrance, etc. Is excellent. Deadman Taker has excellent psycology. His Character adds, or used to add to the match. Deadman Taker is one of smackdowns biggest stars, so the WWE is doing somehting right

Well for the most part we will just have to agree to disagree,when taker first started all his matches bored me,it wasn't until he fought Jake Roberts that i was interested,then with feuds with guys like Gonzalez and Kamala i went back to being uninterested in him and never liked the zombie version
In 96 he picked up with his feud with Foley and opened up a new move set and also started cutting promo's
I have never liked the supernatural; stuff,we all know wrestling is a work but when all the other guys are working in an action movie and where they are cast as men and he is playing a demon with powers it becomes to stupid to care IMO
As he is right now the entrance and all the stuff you guys love is fine with me,it's when he does all that mystical garbage that i just press fast forward,i mean do you all honestly think it's cool when he blows up rings and posses ppl ?

[Hunter Rider]

Not everyone had a gimmick like Taker's but they always had absurb shoots that fitted there characters. Remember when Papa Shango put a curse on the Ultimate Warrior and that green **** started oozing out of his head, or Big Show nearly killing Kurt Angle, Warrior getting thrown in the Snake Pit with real snakes, Macho and Liz having a wedding as a main event etc

As i said in my post to Batman Wrestling is a big work and often far fetched as we know but at least all the other guys are acting in the same world
To me if he was just all dark and Gothic then fine but committing murder,dieing and being fried and then coming back,shooting lightning ? that's just to stupid to even right off under "it's wrestling" as an excuse

[Sarge 2.0]

You talk about WWE always having stuff like that which is bull****,no one has ever shot lightning out of their hands,possessed ppl,commited hoimicide on PPV and died twice in 3 mothsWell, Paul isn't really "dead", they covered that up pretty quickly. :o

However, you can't really blame him for the terrible booking near the end of the Orton feud, as it went past Survivor Series...something it wasn't supposed to do. The bookers needed something to do last minute, and they gave us that terrible SD before Armageddon. Taker may have stroke, but he's also a veteran, and I doubt he would have thought that the possesion thing was a good idea.

A little off topic on the current discussion, but here are my thoughts on last nights SD:

Rey/Slyvan: Meh, way to make a bad angle worse, and make Rey's character even more annoying... "I am myself!" Jesus, Rey...the best thing about that was Angles post match "Never say never" spiel.

Helms/Scotty: Who knew Scotty was still so over? I might just be the region, but damn was everybody eating him up last night...that portion where all the cruiserweights came and beat the **** out of Helms was gold, though.

Hardy/Dean: Pretty entertaining showing from Hardy, and it's good to see that his punishment may be over. But it sucks that Animal is his damn partner. They wasted an oppurtunity to bring up Punk, and an oppurtunity to get Hardy an interesting partner that might salvage the WWE tag team division.

JBL w/Finlay vs. Benoit w/Lashley: JBL and Finlay really need to team up more. They're pretty great together,and Finlay is a breath of fresh air. Booker T needs to lay off the caffiene though...the man never shuts up.

Angle w/Taker vs. MNM w/Mark Henry: Very entertaining ME, with some good tension between Angle and Taker. Great build up for NWO.

[Sarge 2.0]

pro wrestling is teh fake and teh suk. bye bye now.And you're being an ignorant jackass. Bye bye. :)

[Hunter Rider]

Well, Paul isn't really "dead", they covered that up pretty quickly. :o

So it's attempted murder then ? lol seriosuly what was the explantaion again ?

However, you can't really blame him for the terrible booking near the end of the Orton feud, as it went past Survivor Series...something it wasn't supposed to do. The bookers needed something to do last minute, and they gave us that terrible SD before Armageddon. Taker may have stroke, but he's also a veteran, and I doubt he would have thought that the possesion thing was a good idea.

In non of the posts have i blamed him,i blame the idiot soap writers they have that have taken mystique and presence and turned it into B movie horror,as i said if he was doing everythign he is doing right now with all the look and entrance just minus the silliness i would be fine with it


A little off topic on the current discussion, but here are my thoughts on last nights SD:

Rey/Slyvan: Meh, way to make a bad angle worse, and make Rey's character even more annoying... "I am myself!" Jesus, Rey...the best thing about that was Angles post match "Never say never" spiel.

Helms/Scotty: Who knew Scotty was still so over? I might just be the region, but damn was everybody eating him up last night...that portion where all the cruiserweights came and beat the **** out of Helms was gold, though.

Hardy/Dean: Pretty entertaining showing from Hardy, and it's good to see that his punishment may be over. But it sucks that Animal is his damn partner. They wasted an oppurtunity to bring up Punk, and an oppurtunity to get Hardy an interesting partner that might salvage the WWE tag team division.

JBL w/Finlay vs. Benoit w/Lashley: JBL and Finlay really need to team up more. They're pretty great together,and Finlay is a breath of fresh air. Booker T needs to lay off the caffiene though...the man never shuts up.

Angle w/Taker vs. MNM w/Mark Henry: Very entertaining ME, with some good tension between Angle and Taker. Great build up for NWO.


Im digging MNM and i also think that Taker/Kurt should be very good at NWO,their little confrontation was fun last week
Bad news for Hardy his partner is gonna be Tatanka
Someone needs to stop calling Helms finish the shining Wizard as it isnt

[Sarge 2.0]

So it's attempted murder then ? lol seriosuly what was the explantaion again ?



In non of the posts have i blamed him,i blame the idiot soap writers they have that have taken mystique and presence and turned it into B movie horror,as i said if he was doing everythign he is doing right now with all the look and entrance just minus the silliness i would be fine with it



Im digging MNM and i also think that Taker/Kurt should be very good at NWO,their little confrontation was fun last week
Bad news for Hardy his partner is gonna be Tatanka
Someone needs to stop calling Helms finish the shining Wizard as it isntYeah, I always thought that the Shining Wizard implied that the opponent was standing, and that it was a knee strike. Either the announcers are blind, or Helms is taking liberties. I also think that Taker should just keep the mystery to him, without all of the lightning and such, as it would make him more intriguing, without sacrificing his dignity. Also,the explanation for Paul was that he was recovered from the cement, but was in critical condition.

[Sabretooth]

Like I've said a million times,I am a huge Undertaker mark. I loved his gimmick during the 90's when he feuded with Stone Cold and Mick Foley and Bret Hart and HBK. The Ministry gimmick was just awesome. I didn't accept the Biker gimmick at first but it worked because Mark Calaway was playing himself. I wish he would've evolved past the Biker instead of going back in time to where he first debuted,like where he is right now. His promos are basically the same now,he doesn't have as much personality as he did during Ministry. He's still a good worker,but I realize he'll probably retire in a few years and I kinda wish he'd put more younger guys over. WWE basically put Taker over from the beginning,and he should repay that by putting the other guys over.

[3dman27]

maybe the original shining wizar was banned and the wwe let helms use the name for another move

[Hunter Rider]

Yeah, I always thought that the Shining Wizard implied that the opponent was standing, and that it was a knee strike. Either the announcers are blind, or Helms is taking liberties. I also think that Taker should just keep the mystery to him, without all of the lightning and such, as it would make him more intriguing, without sacrificing his dignity. Also,the explanation for Paul was that he was recovered from the cement, but was in critical condition.

This is what the Shinning Wizard is supposed to look like when performed by the man that invented it Kenji Mutoh(The Great Muta)

http://www.wrestlingencyclopedia.com/Moves3/Shining%20Wizard.wmv

[Sarge 2.0]

This is what the Shinning Wizard is supposed to look like when performed by the man that invented it Kenji Mutoh(The Great Muta)

http://www.wrestlingencyclopedia.com/Moves3/Shining%20Wizard.wmvApparently Helm's running enzugiri to a sitting opponent is an accepted variation to the SW. Still doesn't look like it, though. :o

[Hunter Rider]

Apparently Helm's running enzugiri to a sitting opponent is an accepted variation to the SW. Still doesn't look like it, though. :o

Helms really shouldn't be touching Muta's s*it:(

[Sarge 2.0]

Also, I found the Sting/Taker debate over a DVDR...but before I get to that, I have to say people over there have interesting tastes. They're hailing the Finlay/JBL tag match like its some sort of godsend...it was pretty good, but nowhere near the level they're praising it. Also, the debate is pretty interesting, I've never seen any pre-Crow Sting matches, so I can't really say mutch about his early career. I'll check it out, though.

[Sarge 2.0]

Helms really shouldn't be touching Muta's s*it:(If they would just unban the damn vertabreaker, everything would be fine. The Vertabreaker would especially fit with his current heel status.

[Hunter Rider]

Like I've said a million times,I am a huge Undertaker mark. I loved his gimmick during the 90's when he feuded with Stone Cold and Mick Foley and Bret Hart and HBK. The Ministry gimmick was just awesome. I didn't accept the Biker gimmick at first but it worked because Mark Calaway was playing himself. I wish he would've evolved past the Biker instead of going back in time to where he first debuted,like where he is right now. His promos are basically the same now,he doesn't have as much personality as he did during Ministry. He's still a good worker,but I realize he'll probably retire in a few years and I kinda wish he'd put more younger guys over. WWE basically put Taker over from the beginning,and he should repay that by putting the other guys over.

That's a good way of putting it,Even though he has kept the Biker Taker working style the character has regressed all the way back to the original monosyllabic version as opposed to the better 97/99

[Hunter Rider]

If they would just unban the damn vertabreaker, everything would be fine. The Vertabreaker would especially fit with his current heel status.

Agreed and Helms would be more over with that finish,ironic that the guys are banned from doing a move invented by a petite woman:O

Also, I found the Sting/Taker debate over a DVDR...but before I get to that, I have to say people over there have interesting tastes. They're hailing the Finlay/JBL tag match like its some sort of godsend...it was pretty good, but nowhere near the level they're praising it. Also, the debate is pretty interesting, I've never seen any pre-Crow Sting matches, so I can't really say mutch about his early career. I'll check it out, though.

DVDR has the uber smark crowd without a doubt,Finlay and Regal are god there but they do hate Cena and know ****loads about wrestlign so they are good debate

[Sabretooth]

POST WRESTLEMANIA SPOILERS






Based on some match line-ups released for WWE's tour of England, here is where some post-Wrestlemania storylines will be heading.



The John Cena vs. HHH feud will continue.


Edge's feud with Ric Flair will continue.


If Shelton Benjamin wins the IC title, it looks like he will be in a program with RVD.


Mickie James will be working as a heel with Victoria and Candice.


Jamal will be on the main Raw roster.


Kurt Angle will be wrestling Randy Orton and Rey Mysterio in a three-way match. That could be the main event for Wrestlemania.


Chris Benoit will be wrestling Mark Henry with the U.S. title on the line. It looks like Booker T will be losing the belt soon.


MNM will remain as tag champs.


Giant Singh will be called up to the main Smackdown roster and go under the name of "Dalip."


Chavo Guerrero will remain as a babyface on Raw.

source - Wrestling Observer

[Sarge 2.0]

POST WRESTLEMANIA SPOILERS






Based on some match line-ups released for WWE's tour of England, here is where some post-Wrestlemania storylines will be heading.



The John Cena vs. HHH feud will continue.


Edge's feud with Ric Flair will continue.


If Shelton Benjamin wins the IC title, it looks like he will be in a program with RVD.


Mickie James will be working as a heel with Victoria and Candice.


Jamal will be on the main Raw roster.


Kurt Angle will be wrestling Randy Orton and Rey Mysterio in a three-way match. That could be the main event for Wrestlemania.


Chris Benoit will be wrestling Mark Henry with the U.S. title on the line. It looks like Booker T will be losing the belt soon.


MNM will remain as tag champs.


Giant Singh will be called up to the main Smackdown roster and go under the name of "Dalip."


Chavo Guerrero will remain as a babyface on Raw.

source - Wrestling ObserverOh boy, RVD back on the midcard. :(

[Hunter Rider]

Oh boy, RVD back on the midcard. :(
Not to mention Flair still bagging a big main evet spot and Superman still working the main event:down

Well at least Jamal is gonna be a singles worker:)

[Sarge 2.0]

They ****ed up big time with Edge...they could've really turned themselves around having Edge as a crazy over heel champ...now he's back to where he was a year ago. :(

[Hunter Rider]

They ****ed up big time with Edge...they could've really turned themselves around having Edge as a crazy over heel champ...now he's back to where he was a year ago. :(

Thank HHH,thats the second heel he has killed off to keep his spot

oh and from the Observer


Tommy Dreamer told CM Punk that he could work ROH's date last Sat. with the conditions of he couldn't be advertised, he couldn't job, he couldn't wrestle or be involved with anyone from TNA, and it could only be a one time thing. From there Dreamer left to do an indie date in England. He didn't tell anyone else in WWE that he gave Punk permission including Johnny Ace.

Meltzer said the situation "exploded" at Raw on Monday. Vince and Steph went up to Ace and gave him a bunch of heat asking him why he let a member of WWE appear on a show with "so many TNA stars". Even though a lot of the wrestlers by this time knew that Punk did the ROH show (as well as it being on the net), Meltzer said Ace was "blindsided" by the McMahon's appoarch. All the heat then went to Punk and he told them Dreamer approved of it, so then Dreamer got the final heat. Meltzer said from day one guys like HHH, HBK, Hayes, and even Arn Anderson have been all over Punk about his work rate. Anderson goes along with HHH and says that Punk "copies" a lot of popular moves from Japan. Meltzer also added that Punk's relationship with Maria "doesn't help matters". He didn't go into detail and I'm really curious as to what he meant.

[Hunter Rider]

Matt hardy is scheduled to wrestle Dalip singh on april 23th in germany, do they want hardy death or something like that? Kinda sad they really want Dalip to actually wrestle instead using him as a bodyguard.

Poor Matt,godspeed:(

[Sarge 2.0]

I can't see what problems HBK would have with Punks style...I dunno what they're on about. I predict that he may not make it up to the main show if the heat on him stays like this. :(

[Hunter Rider]

I can't see what problems HBK would have with Punks style...I dunno what they're on about. I predict that he may not make it up to the main show if the heat on him stays like this. :(
He's done,The boss,the bosses phsyco daughter,the bossess son in law the bossess son in law's best friend and Arn F'N Anderson hate him:(

[Sarge 2.0]

He's done,The boss,the bosses phsyco daughter,the bossess son in law the bossess son in law's best friend and Arn F'N Anderson hate him:(I wonder how much of that is Punk's fault...if he's really been running his mouth like they say he's been doing, some of it may be deserved. But the heat about his workrate is just dumb on their part.

[Hunter Rider]

I wonder how much of that is Punk's fault...if he's really been running his mouth like they say he's been doing, some of it may be deserved. But the heat about his workrate is just dumb on their part.

It's apart of WWE's Anti Smark revolt,they hate Punk because he is pretty much regarded as the best allround worker on the inides,he is a god there and they want to show him and the smarks that Indy cred is nothing compared to the 5 knuckle shuffle and your own T shirt

Fact is they signed him to stop TNA having him,his work is better than most of WWE's main roster and he is a better promo than most of them as well,perhaps the fact the beloved Maria is dating this lowly indy guy bothers some of the bigwigs

[Sarge 2.0]

It's apart of WWE's Anti Smark revolt,they hate Punk because he is pretty much regarded as the best allround worker on the inides,he is a god there and they want to show him and the smarks that Indy cred is nothing compared to the 5 knuckle shuffle and your own T shirt

Fact is they signed him to stop TNA having him,his work is better than most of WWE's main roster and he is a better promo than most of them as well,perhaps the fact the beloved Maria is dating this lowly indy guy bothers some of the bigwigsGod knows how they would've reacted had Samoa Joe signed with them. :o

[Hunter Rider]

God knows how they would've reacted had Samoa Joe signed with them. :o
Well i think Joe was smart in turning down the development deal they offered him,sadly Punk took a risk and is paying for it

[Sarge 2.0]

Well i think Joe was smart in turning down the development deal they offered him,sadly Punk took a risk and is paying for itIt might pay off if Vince gets his head out of his ass, and Stephanie gets blown off the face of the earth. Or he could just end up like Spanky and London. :(

[Hunter Rider]

It might pay off if Vince gets his head out of his ass, and Stephanie gets blown off the face of the earth. Or he could just end up like Spanky and London. :(

Oh Punk won't get as far as Spanky and London:(
I can't believe i typed the words "Joe" and "development deal" in the same sentence,i feel dirty:(

[Sarge 2.0]

Oh Punk won't get as far as Spanky and London:(
I can't believe i typed the words "Joe" and "development deal" in the same sentence,i feel dirty:(Joe's gonna find you and kill you now. :(

[KingOfDreams]

And you're being an ignorant jackass. Bye bye. :)

I'm being a jackass but I wouldn't go so far as to say I'm being ignorant. Explain to me how wrestling's not fake.

[The FallenAngel]

I'm being a jackass but I wouldn't go so far as to say I'm being ignorant. Explain to me how wrestling's not fake.Just go away now.

[The FallenAngel]

That sucks about CM Punk. They're just jealous because he is better than almost everyone they have on their main rosters.

Gregory Helms' Shining Wizard is not that at all. I'm guessing he just likes the name. It also seems like the move he does got so much crappier looking since he moved over to SD. It use to look really good, now it just looks sloppy.

[TheVileOne]

WWE sucks.

Benoit/Henry = garbage.

RVD still being relegated to the mid-card.

Why can't we get Benoit/Rey Mysterio?

[Hunter Rider]

http://www.bigheatherd.com/wse01/wse11.JPG

http://www.bigfrog.net/archives/g_rtsidechst.jpg

[Sabretooth]

It's apart of WWE's Anti Smark revolt,they hate Punk because he is pretty much regarded as the best allround worker on the inides,he is a god there and they want to show him and the smarks that Indy cred is nothing compared to the 5 knuckle shuffle and your own T shirt

Fact is they signed him to stop TNA having him,his work is better than most of WWE's main roster and he is a better promo than most of them as well,perhaps the fact the beloved Maria is dating this lowly indy guy bothers some of the bigwigs
I like CM Punk,but he should've seen this coming after signing with Satan's left testicle.:(

[LastSunrise1981]

http://www.bigheatherd.com/wse01/wse11.JPG

http://www.bigfrog.net/archives/g_rtsidechst.jpg

Okay that's just disgusting. :(

[The FallenAngel]

http://www.bigheatherd.com/wse01/wse11.JPG

http://www.bigfrog.net/archives/g_rtsidechst.jpgWhat in the hell?!

[Eric Draven]

Fact is they signed him to stop TNA having him,his work is better than most of WWE's main roster and he is a better promo than most of them as well,perhaps the fact the beloved Maria is dating this lowly indy guy bothers some of the bigwigs

I don't think it was mentioned here, but I remembered reading something a little while back where Vince (or Johnny Ace, I think) wanted to sign as many wrestlers as possible so TNA couldn't get them. It seemed that they wouldn't even do anything with those wrestlers, they would even turn them into **** so that their "value" would decrease....take that for what it's worth, but it sounds like something the WWE would do...

[Mister J]

I don't think it was mentioned here, but I remembered reading something a little while back where Vince (or Johnny Ace, I think) wanted to sign as many wrestlers as possible so TNA couldn't get them. It seemed that they wouldn't even do anything with those wrestlers, they would even turn them into **** so that their "value" would decrease....take that for what it's worth, but it sounds like something the WWE would do...

It's definately something WWE would do. Vince's entire foray into the wrestling business was predicated on elimination of competition. He promoted in many regional areas and then offered them pennies on the dollar to buy them out. He swallowed those territories whole.

It was an interesting role reversal when Turner and WCW tried to force him out of business because they had more money. He eventually squashed them and relegated all their stars to second-tier status at best; most got ran right out of WWE.

There's no way he wouldn't hesitate to acquire new talent to keep them away from TNA, or anyplace else for that matter. Funny, that's what WCW used to do.

[Sarge 2.0]

I'm being a jackass but I wouldn't go so far as to say I'm being ignorant. Explain to me how wrestling's not fake.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional_Wrestling#Reality_and_fantasy

[Eklypze]

http://www.bigheatherd.com/wse01/wse11.JPG

http://www.bigfrog.net/archives/g_rtsidechst.jpg

who is this guy?

[Mister J]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional_Wrestling#Reality_and_fantasy

Good stuff, Sarge. I get sick and tired of guys like this using the word 'fake'. You need to be an athlete to be a wrestler and you can get severely injured. Funny how people don't walk around saying TV shows or movies are 'fake'.

[Sarge 2.0]

Good stuff, Sarge. I get sick and tired of guys like this using the word 'fake'. You need to be an athlete to be a wrestler and you can get severely injured. Funny how people don't walk around saying TV shows or movies are 'fake'.I'd like to see KingOfDreams spend 24 hours in The Dungeon. :o

[Mister J]

I'd like to see KingOfDreams spend 24 hours in The Dungeon. :o

Stretched like a pretzel. Game over.

[Sarge 2.0]

Stretched like a pretzel. Game over.'Zactly.

[The FallenAngel]

If you think wrestling is fake, just go to a live show. It'll make you think different, trust me.

[Jason Blood]

I got to see Flair's whole head covered in blood live

(the ladder match on RAW)

[Capt Throbberson]

http://www.bigheatherd.com/wse01/wse11.JPG

http://www.bigfrog.net/archives/g_rtsidechst.jpg
Why's Tobey Macguire dressed as a chick?

[Sabretooth]

Why's Tobey Macguire dressed as a chick?
Because he's Spider-Man.....no more.:(

[punishermax]

I'm being a jackass but I wouldn't go so far as to say I'm being ignorant. Explain to me how wrestling's not fake.

If by fake you mean predetermined, then yes your right. If by fake you mean pulling your punches, then yes your right. As for saying pro wrestling is completely fake, then you sir are an idiot. Have you ever taken bump before, no, thats what I thought. If you were to ever take bump in the ring, you would probably end up crying like a 4 year old who **** themselves, so shutup, leave, don't come back, you moronic, little troll.

[DOG LIPS]

Wrestling is only as fake as it needs to be to protect the million dollar stars. You seen those horrible wedgies they get? Panties so far up their ass you can see their colon? That's ****ing real you bastard. You can't fake that s***. :(

[The Flash!]

http://www.bigheatherd.com/wse01/wse11.JPG

http://www.bigfrog.net/archives/g_rtsidechst.jpg

WTH?! :confused:

[The Ghoul]

Is he smuggling a Guatamalin infant to the States through his arm?

[NDX]

http://www.bigheatherd.com/wse01/wse11.JPG

http://www.bigfrog.net/archives/g_rtsidechst.jpg

What is that and why does it exist?

Just thought I'd share what wikipedia has written on the Shining Wizard:
Shining Wizard

A jumping strike to the side of the opponent's head, with either the side of the knee or the shin, delivered to an opponent who is down on one knee, after stepping off that opponent's raised knee with the other leg.
The move was innovated and named by Keiji Mutoh, who uses it as his finishing move. Originally Mutoh performed the move as a high knee to the forehead of the opponent.
Other notable users include CM Punk, who sometimes uses it in combination with a chair.
Gregory Helms uses an enzuigiri variation, but he often does not step off his opponent's knee.
Aril Cannon's Glimmering Warlock has him approach the opponent from behind.

Now, back to the IWA Deathmatch Tournament. Round 2, Cactus Jack v. Shoji Nakamaki. Too bad the filler matches for this event were lacking.

[Colossal Spoons]

That guy's bicep "exploded". I watched a special on him a week ago. He got a hematoma in his right bicep and tried to drain the blood himself with a few dozen needles. Now his right bicep is smaller and deformed.

[White_Howling]

Why's Tobey Macguire dressed as a chick?

shes got bigger guns than Tobey..

http://youtube.com/watch?v=poQSK1a5xxg&search=goldberg

forgot about this.. Jack hammer on the Giant.. DAMN... then again the big shows alot heavier now

[Mister J]

Damn, I actually miss Nitro.

[Hunter Rider]

The guy was apparently signed at 40 to a wcw poweplant development contract by Pail Orndorff,now his arm is destroyed and he is in jail for steroid trafficking

[Hunter Rider]

My No Way Out predictions

World Heavyweight Championship
Kurt Angle vs The Undertaker
This should be very good,hopefully Taker will bust out some of those submissions,i expect Angle to win via interference from Henry or a double DQ due to Henry taking them both out

For the opportunity to wrestle at the main event of Wrestlemania
Rey Mysterio vs Randy Orton
Has potential to be great with the heat built up and both men in good recent form,i get the feeling Chavo will turn heel and cost Rey but i hope I'm wrong and we get at the very least a double pin if not a Rey win

United States Championship
Booker T vs Chris Benoit
Two veterans with a lot of good history,match quality depends on how fit Booker really is but it should be a solid match with Benoit taking the belt

JBL vs Bobby Lashley
Lashley needs a lot more time to develop,JBL may carry him to decent 10 minute match here but after doing the job at the Rumble i expect JBL to go over unless WWE are blindly gonna keep pushing the rookie beyond his level

Tag Team Championship
MNM vs Matt Hardy and a mystery partner
MNM will make this fun no matter who the partner is but i fully expect the champs to retain

Nine Man Cruiserweight Title Match
Helms/London/Spanky/Hotty/Funaki/Kash/Nunzio/Crazy/Psychosis
Should be a Fun spotfest with Helms sneakily keeping his title but i hope not

[TheVileOne]

Rider you are easily overestimating all of those matches.

A six match card, that's how pathetic WWE is, they can't even fill up a 3 hour, 35 dollar PPV.

[Sarge 2.0]

Rider you are easily overestimating all of those matches.

A six match card, that's how pathetic WWE is, they can't even fill up a 3 hour, 35 dollar PPV.Does somebody punch you in the kidneys every time you click on this thread or something? :confused:

[Hunter Rider]

Rider you are easily overestimating all of those matches.

A six match card, that's how pathetic WWE is, they can't even fill up a 3 hour, 35 dollar PPV.

Match quality over amount of matches is the key,filling a show with 9 matches like TNA doesn't make it good
Taker and Angle have had excellent matches in the past,i see no reason why they shouldn't again here
Rey and Orton are both very talentred,MNM are the best team in the US right now and Benoit and Booker have never not had good matches together and the CW guys can easy match that flippy flop TNA 4 way from AAO

[Eric Draven]

bwahahaha...flippy flop 4 way :D

[Sarge 2.0]

bwahahaha...flippy flop 4 way :DHahaha. I didn't even catch that until it was isolated. :D:up:

[TheVileOne]

Match quality over amount of matches is the key,filling a show with 9 matches like TNA doesn't make it good.

What match quality?

A CW schmozz. Just throw all the CW's into one match because they can't give them anything truly meaningful. They did the same thing at the Rumble.


Taker and Angle have had excellent matches in the past,i see no reason why they shouldn't again here

The problem is this what they were doing at Survivor Series 2000. Where are the fresh main events and world title matches?

I bet you this match doesn't even rate 4 stars and will end with Henry interfering and costing Taker the victory setting up Taker/Henry for Mania. Lameness.

Everything surrounding Guerrero/Mysterio has been disgusting.

Benoit and Booker T just came off of the lamest best of 7 series of all time. A complete and utter disgrace to the matches they had in WCW in 1998.


Rey and Orton are both very talentred,MNM are the best team in the US right now and Benoit and Booker have never not had good matches together and the CW guys can easy match that flippy flop TNA 4 way from AAO

No, the best team in the US right now are Strong and Aries. The tag team divisions in WWE are a joke. Who are they fighting tonight? Matt Hardy and Tatanko or Animal. Please.

The CW match will probably go only about 7 minutes and won't be anywhere near the level of the X division matches.

[Hunter Rider]

What match quality?

A CW schmozz. Just throw all the CW's into one match because they can't give them anything truly meaningful. They did the same thing at the Rumble.

You mean unlike the completely meaningless 4 way at AAO or the endless 4CS on ROH shows ?



The problem is this what they were doing at Survivor Series 2000. Where are the fresh main events and world title matches?
You mean like Styles Daniels and Joe fighting each other Yet again ?



Everything surrounding Guerrero/Mysterio has been disgusting.
Has no bearing on the quality of the match

Benoit and Booker T just came off of the lamest best of 7 series of all time. A complete and utter disgrace to the matches they had in WCW in 1998.

The last 2 matches of that series between Benoit and Orton were better than any of those WCW 7 serie's matches and Booker and Benoit have PPV time tonight




No, the best team in the US right now are Strong and Aries. The tag team divisions in WWE are a joke. Who are they fighting tonight? Matt Hardy and Tatanko or Animal. Please.


No MNM are the best,just cos strong and Aries smack the **** out of opponents and do some head drops doesn't make them the best,MNM draw heat and make their opponents look good,they are perfect heels
as for the match,well it couldn't be any worse than the AAO tag title match


The CW match will probably go only about 7 minutes and won't be anywhere near the level of the X division matches.


The 6 man at the Rumble was better than all the recent XD "throw in every spot you have" matches have been
Face it Vile you want to be a smark but that involves being unbiased and you can't do that

[Sarge 2.0]

You mean unlike the completely meaningless 4 way at AAO or the endless 4CS on ROH shows ?




You mean like Styles Daniels and Joe fighting each other Yet again ?




Has no bearing on the quality of the match



The last 2 matches of that series between Benoit and Orton were better than any of those WCW 7 serie's matches and Booker and Benoit have PPV time tonight





No MNM are the best,just cos strong and Aries smack the **** out of opponents and do some head drops doesn't make them the best,MNM draw heat and make their opponents look good,they are perfect heels
as for the match,well it couldn't be any worse than the AAO tag title match



The 6 man at the Rumble was better than all the recent XD "throw in every spot you have" matches have been
Face it Vile you want to be a smark but that involves being unbiased and you can't do thatOh ****! :eek:

[Hunter Rider]

Oh ****! :eek:

What ?:confused:

[Sarge 2.0]

What ?:confused:That was a burn, duderino.

[The Batman]

"Face it Vile you want to be a smark but that involves being unbiased and you can't do that"

Whoa...lmao. But honestly....smarks are pretty much biased. Like McMahon dotes on Big Men, Smarks dote on technical wrestlers, regardless if they actually have charisma or not

[TheVileOne]

You mean unlike the completely meaningless 4 way at AAO or the endless 4CS on ROH shows ?

Nope. At Against All Odds, it elevated Jay Lethal and gave him his first win in TNA. From that he got a spot on the TNA X cup team. It was the true start of his TNA run.

4 Corner Survivals in ROH are usually a lot of fun and they are great at advancing storylines. Plus, the 4 Corner Survival matches go a lot longer and aren't just pointless schmozzes, they have pscyhology and storytelling aspects integrated into them.

The 4CS match at Final Battle wasn't just all about throwing 4 guys into a match. It was about Joe vs. Daniels, Joe vs. Lethal, and Whitmer vs. Daniels. They worked 3 different feuds into one match.


You mean like Styles Daniels and Joe fighting each other Yet again ?


For the third time in less than a year, :p .

Plus, if ever given the choice of Angle/Taker and Joe/Daniels/AJ I will ALWAYS pick the latter.


Has no bearing on the quality of the match


I bet you the match is nothing truly special.


The last 2 matches of that series between Benoit and Orton were better than any of those WCW 7 serie's matches and Booker and Benoit have PPV time tonight.

WWE wishes as such. Oh and you mean the matches that ended in DQ and screwy finishes that led to Booker T winning the belt without doing jack? What a joke. That Orton had to sub for Booker T was just symbolic of how pathetic their Best of 7 was. When Booker T and Benoit's best of 7 match, only once ended in DQ, they had a rematch to make up for it.



No MNM are the best,just cos strong and Aries smack the **** out of opponents and do some head drops doesn't make them the best,MNM draw heat and make their opponents look good,they are perfect heels
as for the match,well it couldn't be any worse than the AAO tag title match


Seeing MNM, then most of GenNext matches along with Aries and Strong...you are way off the mark. Aries and Strong do a lot more than just chops and head drops.


The 6 man at the Rumble was better than all the recent XD "throw in every spot you have" matches have been
Face it Vile you want to be a smark but that involves being unbiased and you can't do that

There's more to them than just throw in every spot you have. They actually WRESTLE and do the spots in the matches as well.

[Hunter Rider]

Nope. At Against All Odds, it elevated Jay Lethal and gave him his first win in TNA. From that he got a spot on the TNA X cup team. It was the true start of his TNA run.

4 Corner Survivals in ROH are usually a lot of fun and they are great at advancing storylines. Plus, the 4 Corner Survival matches go a lot longer and aren't just pointless schmozzes, they have pscyhology and storytelling aspects integrated into them.

The 4CS match at Final Battle wasn't just all about throwing 4 guys into a match. It was about Joe vs. Daniels, Joe vs. Lethal, and Whitmer vs. Daniels. They worked 3 different feuds into one match.



For the third time in less than a year, :p .

Plus, if ever given the choice of Angle/Taker and Joe/Daniels/AJ I will ALWAYS pick the latter.



I bet you the match is nothing truly special.



WWE wishes as such. Oh and you mean the matches that ended in DQ and screwy finishes that led to Booker T winning the belt without doing jack? What a joke. That Orton had to sub for Booker T was just symbolic of how pathetic their Best of 7 was. When Booker T and Benoit's best of 7 match, only once ended in DQ, they had a rematch to make up for it.




Seeing MNM, then most of GenNext matches along with Aries and Strong...you are way off the mark. Aries and Strong do a lot more than just chops and head drops.



There's more to them than just throw in every spot you have. They actually WRESTLE and do the spots in the matches as well.

Vile i would bother going point for point but i was correct the first time
really you shoiuld have no point to make here as if all your posts of "WWE is crap and sucks" are true then you shouldn't have seen any matches of most of the guys you are critiquing

[TheVileOne]

I've watched enough :p . Probably a lot more than you have rider.

[Hunter Rider]

I've watched enough :p . Probably a lot more than you have rider.

That makes no sense since i watch RAW and SD every week and watch all the PPV's and you claim to hate it

[citizenpain]

for the first time in a while, i'm not gonna see a wwe ppv... and i actually don't care. in fact, i'm kinda wishing i hadn't missed tna last night.

[The Ghoul]

im getting a WWE ppv for the first tiime in a while also, because I actually like SD! I said it I watch Raw & it has its moments but i enjoy SD! Now. even the goofy gimmicks & Pirate Paul is the ****

[Eric Draven]

I've been wondering, what did the Heartthrobs do on Byte This that led to their release? Apparently, they've even cancelled the segment as well now. It must've been something pretty ****ed up.....

[Sarge 2.0]

I thought they were released because...y'know...they were kinda useless. :o

[The Ghoul]

that CW match was ****ing great

[Eric Draven]

No, apparently they said or did soemthing on Byte This that was so bad that they didn't even air the segment. They were released just a couple days after that incident.

But so far, I haven't heard anything about what they did specifically :confused:

[Sarge 2.0]

that CW match was ****ing greatDid Helms retain the title?

[Sarge 2.0]

No, apparently they said or did soemthing on Byte This that was so bad that they didn't even air the segment. They were released just a couple days after that incident.

But so far, I haven't heard anything about what they did specifically :confused:Well, I guess it's for the best anyway. But I would like to know what they said.

[The FallenAngel]

Batista is back!

[TheVileOne]

That makes no sense since i watch RAW and SD every week and watch all the PPV's and you claim to hate it

I was doing all of that before you were :p .

Though I'm not doing it anymore.

[DOG LIPS]

Batista is back!
????

[The FallenAngel]

Batista came back tonight at NWO.

[TheVileOne]

He didn't come back because he's still rehabbing. I doubt he will be back until after Wrestlemania. I imagine he will feud with Angle.

[The FallenAngel]

Fine, if you want to get technical, he made a special appearance.

[Sabretooth]

Tatanka and Hardy beat MNM. Ugh :down

[The Ghoul]

Tatanka and Hardy beat MNM. Ugh :down

yeaahh but it was a pretty good match, a pretty decent ppv imo

[TheVileOne]

Pretty good is not fitting for a 35 dollar show.

http://www.pwtorch.com/artman/publish/article_16140.shtml

The Torch rated the tag title match *1/2. To me its pretty sad that the WWE doesn't even have a legitimate tag team to give the titles to and instead another lame mismatched tag team in Hardy and Tatanka. I feel bad for Hardy being saddled with that guy when he should be a singles contender.

[Sarge 2.0]

Pretty good is not fitting for a 35 dollar show.

http://www.pwtorch.com/artman/publish/article_16140.shtml

The Torch rated the tag title match *1/2. To me its pretty sad that the WWE doesn't even have a legitimate tag team to give the titles to and instead another lame mismatched tag team in Hardy and Tatanka. I feel bad for Hardy being saddled with that guy when he should be a singles contender.Yeah....I think we get it now. :o
Also, the tag match was non title.

[Sabretooth]

If Randy had to beat Rey,did he have to do it by cheating? For once I'd like to see a heel straight out win.

[TheVileOne]

Well this whole Orton/Rey feud is a joke anyway. Might as well have a joke of a finish to the match.

[The FallenAngel]

Wow, no Henry in the Taker/Angle match. Angle got the pinfall victory.

[TheVileOne]

Was it clean though or were Angle's shoulders down?

[The FallenAngel]

Taker had him in a triangle choke, and Angle rolled through with a jackknife for the win.

[TheVileOne]

Booker T has held the US title 3 times in WWE and has never successfully defended it once.

[Super_Ludacris]

Wait.....Tatanka is back in the WWE?

[Mister J]

Wait.....Tatanka is back in the WWE?

Dude, Tatanka showed up on RAW a couple of months ago, looking every bit of 300 lbs.

I think he signed a developmental deal and has been trying to get back in WWE ...shape :rolleyes:

[NDX]

I heard he got himself back into good ring shape. I have yet to see it myself, however.

Hopefully Foley will be able to get into shape for his match(s) with Edge.

[Colossal Spoons]

Batista is back!

Heh :up:

[Sarge 2.0]

Here's an awesome picture of the pin:

http://www.wwe.com/content/media/images/309846/2087974/2127990/anglewins456.jpg

[Jason Blood]

If Randy had to beat Rey,did he have to do it by cheating? For once I'd like to see a heel straight out win.
they're just doing it to build heel heat

it would have been dumb for the WWE to make Rey look weak and get pinned without cheating

[Jason Blood]

Here's an awesome picture of the pin:

http://www.wwe.com/content/media/images/309846/2087974/2127990/anglewins456.jpg
that is one BADASS pin!

[Lobo]

I miss the good old days
http://wwe.consumer-corp.com/pics/elizabeth3a.jpg
http://www.fabelover.com/images2/machoelizabeth.jpg

[LastSunrise1981]

So can anyone tell me what the point of Rey winning the Rumble was? If they wanted to do this, all they had to do was have Randy win the Rumble.

That's why I'm tired of this Eddie Guerrero sympathy angle. Let the man rest in peace and stop pushing wrestlers because of it, sincerely I highly doubt Eddie would want anyone pushed because of his unfortunate passing.

Personally I think the WWE dropped the ball on this though, big surprise. :o

If Orton pins Angle I'll throw my remote at the tv.

[The Batman]

lol at all those guys who've been saying taker cant put on a good match anymore

[The Ghoul]

he was very "human" through the entire match even going to angle after the match screaming "this isn't over."

[The Techno Bat]

Taker had him in a triangle choke, and Angle rolled through with a jackknife for the win.

How many times have they done that ending? About 18 too many if you ask me, maybe The Undertaker will just go away now...It doesn't even look good when Taker uses submission moves because he hasn't a friggin clue what he is doing.

[Sarge 2.0]

...Riiiiight. :rolleyes:

[The Techno Bat]

...Riiiiight. :rolleyes:

It's true, The Undertaker does not know how to apply a Trianlge Choke Hold and he looks silly (SILLY I Tell Ya) when he attempts it. The same with his arm bars.

[Sarge 2.0]

It's true, The Undertaker does not know how to apply a Trianlge Choke Hold and he looks silly (SILLY I Tell Ya) when he attempts it. The same with his arm bars.Are you watching the same matches I am? You're another one with a sensless bias...Taker's submission moves are fine, and the fact that he has the respect of technicians like Angle, Hart, and HBK is at least slightly indicitive of that.

[The Techno Bat]

Are you watching the same matches I am? You're another one with a sensless bias...Taker's submission moves are fine, and the fact that he has the respect of technicians like Angle, Hart, and HBK is at least slightly indicitive of that.

It's not a senseless bias at all. I have never been a fan of The Undertaker, even from the days of wCw when he was Mean Mark. He is nothing special in the ring, and his choice of moves are sub par at that.

1. "Old School"
2. The punching combo he hits his opponents with while they are in the corner
3. Tombstone
4. Dragon Sleeper
5. The Last Ride
6. Triangle Choke Hold
7. Arm Bar

I don't get how this guy has held the WWE title as many times as he has, and if he is so great, why has he never been allowed a long title reign? His longest run was like 133 days, a little over 4 months. His one standout moment was when he tossed Mick Foley off the Hell in the Cell, and that was all Mick taking that fall, Taker didn't do anything. I personally feel that The Undertaker is more hype than anything and his ring entrances are longer than his matches

Being trained in BJJ it just makes me laugh when I see him slapping on a Triangle Choke Hold and it is all wrong.

[The Flash!]

Can't wait for tonight!

How many of you think Benjamin will win the IC title?

[Sarge 2.0]

[...]Leaving this first part out because it's opinion.

1. "Old School"
2. The punching combo he hits his opponents with while they are in the corner
3. Tombstone
4. Dragon Sleeper
5. The Last Ride
6. Triangle Choke Hold
7. Arm Bar
Almost every wrestler in the history of the business goes through their moveset that way. Too bad you left out at least 75% of Takers. Even if you did get his moveset correct (which you didn't...it's way off), would you blame guys like RVD, Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels, SCSA, Ric Flair, Triple H etc. for going through theirs? It's funny, you criticise Taker for his moveset...when your lover Monty Brown has one that's one million times more pathetic.

I don't get how this guy has held the WWE title as many times as he has, and if he is so great, why has he never been allowed a long title reign? His longest run was like 133 days, a little over 4 months. His one standout moment was when he tossed Mick Foley off the Hell in the Cell, and that was all Mick taking that fall, Taker didn't do anything. I personally feel that The Undertaker is more hype than anything and his ring entrances are longer than his matchesHow many Undertaker matches have you actually watched? Hell in A Cell was hardly his standout moment...he's had way too many in his career for me to count. Also, he's held the title because he deserved all of his reigns. He's done more for the business than most (certainly more than your boy Vampiro :rolleyes:), and has proved himself in the ring. Also, four months is a pretty decent title reign, as most wrestlers have it for that period. Also, the whole "entrances longer than his matches" bit is just stupid hyperbole on your part.

Being trained in BJJ it just makes me laugh when I see him slapping on a Triangle Choke Hold and it is all wrong. Sure. I bet if Vampiro or Monty slapped it on half as good as Taker you'd cream yourself.

[Sarge 2.0]

Can't wait for tonight!

How many of you think Benjamin will win the IC title?He'd better...even though he needs to move beyond it. Slapping the IC title on Flair (whom they never even have defend it or job to) is just a sign of how lackluster Raw's booking has been as of late.

[The Flash!]

He'd better...even though he needs to move beyond it. Slapping the IC title on Flair (whom they never even have defend it or job to) is just a sign of how lackluster Raw's booking has been as of late.

I agree with you on Flair, the last time I think I remember him defending it was against Trevor Murdock. :rolleyes: And then after that Murdock was telling the fans how he was going after the title, like that happend...I'm hoping Benjamin nabs the title for sure, maybe after he retains it for the next couple weeks(if he wins tonight), Haas will make his return to WWE and fued with him. Or they may become the great tage team they once were again.

[The FallenAngel]

Almost every wrestler in the history of the business goes through their moveset that way. Too bad you left out at least 75% of Takers. Even if you did get his moveset correct (which you didn't...it's way off), would you blame guys like RVD, Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels, SCSA, Ric Flair, Triple H etc. for going through theirs? It's funny, you criticise Taker for his moveset...when your lover Monty Brown has one that's one million times more pathetic.

How many Undertaker matches have you actually watched? Hell in A Cell was hardly his standout moment...he's had way too many in his career for me to count. Also, he's held the title because he deserved all of his reigns. He's done more for the business than most (certainly more than your boy Vampiro :rolleyes:), and has proved himself in the ring. Also, four months is a pretty decent title reign, as most wrestlers have it for that period. Also, the whole "entrances longer than his matches" bit is just stupid hyperbole on your part.

Sure. I bet if Vampiro or Monty slapped it on half as good as Taker you'd cream yourself.Damn...it got hot in here. :o

[Colossal Spoons]

Or they may become the great tage team they once were again.


That would be fabulous. I'd still love a Team Angle reunion if possible.

[Sarge 2.0]

That would be fabulous. I'd still love a Team Angle reunion if possible.I'm still deciding whether or not Mama Benjamin should stay if that happens. On one hand, she could help Haas with his charisma...on the other she could ruin their credibility as an awesome tag team.

[The Flash!]

That would be fabulous. I'd still love a Team Angle reunion if possible.

With you on that friend. :up:

I'm still deciding whether or not Mama Benjamin should stay if that happens. On one hand, she could help Haas with his charisma...on the other she could ruin their credibility as an awesome tag team.

How long is Mama supposed to be there for anyway?

[Sarge 2.0]

With you on that friend. :up:



How long is Mama supposed to be there for anyway?Probably until Shelton comes out of his shell and gets a little more personality on his own.

[Colossal Spoons]

I'm still deciding whether or not Mama Benjamin should stay if that happens. On one hand, she could help Haas with his charisma...on the other she could ruin their credibility as an awesome tag team.

Trio.

World's Greatest Tag Team was awesome; but I want the whole Team Angle back, Kurt included. Mama Jamin' would def have to hit the road.

[The Flash!]

Probably until Shelton comes out of his shell and gets a little more personality on his own.

Yeah, and quit getting called a mama's boy. :rolleyes:

[Sabretooth]

It's true, The Undertaker does not know how to apply a Trianlge Choke Hold and he looks silly (SILLY I Tell Ya) when he attempts it. The same with his arm bars.
That's funny coming from you,because you praise Ric Flair and yet he locks in the Figure 4 Leg Lock wrong.:o

[The Techno Bat]

Almost every wrestler in the history of the business goes through their moveset that way. Too bad you left out at least 75% of Takers. Even if you did get his moveset correct (which you didn't...it's way off), would you blame guys like RVD, Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels, SCSA, Ric Flair, Triple H etc. for going through theirs? It's funny, you criticise Taker for his moveset...when your lover Monty Brown has one that's one million times more pathetic.

How many Undertaker matches have you actually watched? Hell in A Cell was hardly his standout moment...he's had way too many in his career for me to count. Also, he's held the title because he deserved all of his reigns. He's done more for the business than most (certainly more than your boy Vampiro :rolleyes:), and has proved himself in the ring. Also, four months is a pretty decent title reign, as most wrestlers have it for that period. Also, the whole "entrances longer than his matches" bit is just stupid hyperbole on your part.

Sure. I bet if Vampiro or Monty slapped it on half as good as Taker you'd cream yourself.

I guess I really touched a nerve with you and The Undertaker huh? Sorry if I left out a few of his moves like The Snake Eyes, and The Big Boot.

Now I will admit I did speak off on this set move list because you are correct all wrestlers have there set moves they go through, so it is wrong of me to just attack the Undertaker for his set of moves.

And I did leave out a couple of his crowning moments, like the time he threw Rikishi off the cage into the truck full of shavings or was it popcorn, I can't remember, and when he beat up David Flair, those were great moments, and ones that stick out in my mind.

I have watched a ton of Undertaker matches over the years, and non of them are very entertaining, and stand out, sure when he wrestles guys like Kurt Angle, Shawn Micheals, Mark Henry, etc he is going to look good because look at who Takers is wrestling? Guys that make him look better.

Sure Taker has endured alot through the years and changes with the times, and I respect that he has been in this business a long time and done his part, but again he is more hype than anything.

And your right I do like guys like Vampiro, and Monty Brown and the reason I think it would be great for Monty Brown to win the world title is because he would be the first TNA-bred guy to wear the world title, because everybody else has been part of the big "3" in some shape or form that has held the NWA-TNA title, and since they are pushing Monty Brown towards the title it would be great to see him win it. Now no way in hell do I think Monty Brown is a great technical machine, but he has gotten better and better over the years and I admire that about him.

And maybe my resentment towards Taker has alot to do with the fact that Vampiro is a favorite wrestler of mine, and when he was being baited to go to the WWE years ago, and had a meeting with the suits, and they finally turned him down saying a dark character like his is silly and wouldn't work, (and you basically have to sell out) and then the next week on WWE television The Undertaker debuts, totally ripping what Vampiro had been doing for years in Mexico and Canada.

But for you to say I would cream myself if Monty or Vampiro slapped (triangle choke) it on half as good as Taker is just a ridiculous statement to make, because I bet Monty or Vampiro would make sure they understand the move and how to apply it before attempting the move.

And you calling me stupid, whatever dude, if you want to sink that low and say that fine, but I wouldn't say or do that because it's just plain childish

And just so you don't think I only like Vampiro, Monty, & Ric Flair here is a list of others that I like watching:

1. The Big Show
2. Christopher Daniels
3. Samoa Joe
4. The Naturals & AMW
5. Matt Hardy
6. Gregory Helms
7. HHH


I guess all it comes down to is a matter of opinion, and my opinion is that I never have, and never will like The Undertaker, which is not to say I don't respect what he has done in the ring and for the WWE.

[The Techno Bat]

That's funny coming from you,because you praise Ric Flair and yet he locks in the Figure 4 Leg Lock wrong.:o

There's a difference between applying the Figure Four, and The Triangle Choke, you can slap on the Trianlge Choke and act like it is really on, and totally protect your opponent from any danger, but to throw on the Figure Four for real and if you slip up, you could totally wreck somebodies knee for life

[The Techno Bat]

He'd better...even though he needs to move beyond it. Slapping the IC title on Flair (whom they never even have defend it or job to) is just a sign of how lackluster Raw's booking has been as of late.

I agree with you that they need to slap the IC title on Shelton, but does it really matter who has the IC strap if they are not going to give it the proper respect it deserves? The same can be said about the Tag Team Titles, when was the last time Big Show and Kane defended those tag team titles on a regular basis? I think that the WWE needs to smarten up and allow there champions to defend there belts, if not get rid of them!

[Sarge 2.0]

I guess I really touched a nerve with you and The Undertaker huh? Sorry if I left out a few of his moves like The Snake Eyes, and The Big Boot.

Now I will admit I did speak off on this set move list because you are correct all wrestlers have there set moves they go through, so it is wrong of me to just attack the Undertaker for his set of moves.

And I did leave out a couple of his crowning moments, like the time he threw Rikishi off the cage into the truck full of shavings or was it popcorn, I can't remember, and when he beat up David Flair, those were great moments, and ones that stick out in my mind.

I have watched a ton of Undertaker matches over the years, and non of them are very entertaining, and stand out, sure when he wrestles guys like Kurt Angle, Shawn Micheals, Mark Henry, etc he is going to look good because look at who Takers is wrestling? Guys that make him look better.

Sure Taker has endured alot through the years and changes with the times, and I respect that he has been in this business a long time and done his part, but again he is more hype than anything.

And your right I do like guys like Vampiro, and Monty Brown and the reason I think it would be great for Monty Brown to win the world title is because he would be the first TNA-bred guy to wear the world title, because everybody else has been part of the big "3" in some shape or form that has held the NWA-TNA title, and since they are pushing Monty Brown towards the title it would be great to see him win it. Now no way in hell do I think Monty Brown is a great technical machine, but he has gotten better and better over the years and I admire that about him.

And maybe my resentment towards Taker has alot to do with the fact that Vampiro is a favorite wrestler of mine, and when he was being baited to go to the WWE years ago, and had a meeting with the suits, and they finally turned him down saying a dark character like his is silly and wouldn't work, (and you basically have to sell out) and then the next week on WWE television The Undertaker debuts, totally ripping what Vampiro had been doing for years in Mexico and Canada.

But for you to say I would cream myself if Monty or Vampiro slapped (triangle choke) it on half as good as Taker is just a ridiculous statement to make, because I bet Monty or Vampiro would make sure they understand the move and how to apply it before attempting the move.

And you calling me stupid, whatever dude, if you want to sink that low and say that fine, but I wouldn't say or do that because it's just plain childish

And just so you don't think I only like Vampiro, Monty, & Ric Flair here is a list of others that I like watching:

1. The Big Show
2. Christopher Daniels
3. Samoa Joe
4. The Naturals & AMW
5. Matt Hardy
6. Gregory Helms
7. HHH


I guess all it comes down to is a matter of opinion, and my opinion is that I never have, and never will like The Undertaker, which is not to say I don't respect what he has done in the ring and for the WWE.Edit: Meh, I'm just going to be beating a dead horse here...it would be like the irresistable force and the immovable object. Nothing would really come of it.

[Eric Draven]

So can anyone tell me what the point of Rey winning the Rumble was? If they wanted to do this, all they had to do was have Randy win the Rumble.

That's why I'm tired of this Eddie Guerrero sympathy angle. Let the man rest in peace and stop pushing wrestlers because of it, sincerely I highly doubt Eddie would want anyone pushed because of his unfortunate passing.

Personally I think the WWE dropped the ball on this though, big surprise. :o

If Orton pins Angle I'll throw my remote at the tv.

I guess they wanted Rey to win the Rumble to have the whole overcoming-the-odds thing.....:confused:


But yeah, I'm personally disappointed that now Orton is going to be fighting for the title at WM now instead of Rey. Particularly since it would be much better to see Rey win the title at WM instead of Orton.....

[Sarge 2.0]

I guess they wanted Rey to win the Rumble to have the whole overcoming-the-odds thing.....:confused:


But yeah, I'm personally disappointed that now Orton is going to be fighting for the title at WM now instead of Rey. Particularly since it would be much better to see Rey win the title at WM instead of Orton.....Christ...the one time WWE does something right, they **** it up. Why? Rey is too small...Rey isn't capable of main eventing mania...blah blah blah. :(

[Eric Draven]

Actually, I think the WWE wants to put the title on Rey. I heard at one point, they wanted to put it on Rey when Lesner got injured, but they decided to give it to Big Show instead.

Supposedly, they want to put it on Rey after WM, with yet another feud with Orton. But wouldn't it be better to have Rey win at WM, then have Orton chase after the title? Orton could win it in a couple of months, and that can all lead into a feud with Batista....:confused:

[Sarge 2.0]

Actually, I think the WWE wants to put the title on Rey. I heard at one point, they wanted to put it on Rey when Lesner got injured, but they decided to give it to Big Show instead.

Supposedly, they want to put it on Rey after WM, with yet another feud with Orton. But wouldn't it be better to have Rey win at WM, then have Orton chase after the title? Orton could win it in a couple of months, and that can all lead into a feud with Batista....:confused:And Rey could still keep his spot at Mania, and salvage part of the PPV...I guess they weren't really thinking, and decided to treat Mania like all of their other monthlys.

[Eric Draven]

Yep. So now we're left with Orton-Angle and Trips-Cena as the main-event for Wrestlemania. And with all probability, this means that both heels will win the title. Kind of a downer for WWE's biggest PPV of the year isn't it?

[Sarge 2.0]

Well, for the people tired of Cena, the Raw main event will be the greatest moment in the history of pro wrestling. However, I don't think Angle will lose it to Orton so quickly. I don't think WWE is that stupid to take the title off one of the most over dudes on SD.

[Eric Draven]

Unless they've been planning on putting the title on Orton since last year.....:o

[Sarge 2.0]

I think if Angle loses I'm going to fly my way to Hartford so I can kick every single member of the McMahon family (minus Trips...'cause he's Trips) in the nuts. Yes, Steph and Linda have manberries.

[Eric Draven]

I think Angle is going to lose the title no matter what, it was just the matter of whether it was going to be Rey or Orton. He was basically just holding the title in the place of Batista...

[The Techno Bat]

Angle is the best thing on Smackdown right now, and perhaps in all of wrestling. Now if they are going to have Angle drop the strap because of injuries or whatever I want to see the belt around the waist of Rey Mysterio not Randy Orton, who has many, many years ahead of him.

[Sarge 2.0]

Ick. That sounds exactly like something a WWE booker would do. :(

[White_Howling]

hey why did wwe release nathan jones.. i just saw him in another movie..

two movies for him so far..

[TheVileOne]

They released him because he asked for it. He didn't want to work for the WWE anymore.

[The Batman]

wrestlemania sounds mediocre this year. whereas for the past two or so years, we've been getting new guys as champs, now its gonna be the same guys winning the same damn belts

[LastSunrise1981]

Well, for the people tired of Cena, the Raw main event will be the greatest moment in the history of pro wrestling. However, I don't think Angle will lose it to Orton so quickly. I don't think WWE is that stupid to take the title off one of the most over dudes on SD.

The WWE is pretty stupid to an extent. They took the title off of Edge as he was getting over and bringing better ratings to the product.

[Sarge 2.0]

The WWE is pretty stupid to an extent. They took the title off of Edge as he was getting over and bringing better ratings to the product.And he made beliveable title defenses that didnt' resort to superman no selliing and silly offenses.

[Lobo]

The WWE is pretty stupid to an extent. They took the title off of Edge as he was getting over and bringing better ratings to the product.


they're stupid for putting Edge in the spot Christian shouldve had :mad:

[Sarge 2.0]

they're stupid for putting Edge in the spot Christian shouldve had :mad:Well Edge deserved it, and Christian was gone, so...yeah. :o

[Lobo]

Well Edge deserved it, and Christian was gone, so...yeah. :o


I'm bitter :o

[Sarge 2.0]

I'm bitter :oAt least he's NWA World Heavyweight Champ now. :):up:

[Lobo]

cool, I havent been watching wrestlign at all lately :O

But I just never like edge :o

[LastSunrise1981]

cool, I havent been watching wrestlign at all lately :O

But I just never like edge :o

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1c/Christian-nwatitle.jpg/399px-Christian-nwatitle.jpg

This should help you feel better. :up: :)

[Lobo]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1c/Christian-nwatitle.jpg/399px-Christian-nwatitle.jpg

This should help you feel better. :up: :)


Hehehe it does :D

[Hunter Rider]

I can't believe the horse**** im reading in here.Taker/Angle was easy the best Main Event in a long time,big atmosphere great selling,solid psychology,athleticism and intensity, it was a top draw main event with brilliant finish and when TNA finally works out how to do main events like that maybe it will compete

The US title match was excellent,both guys were on form and the finish was very well worked

The #1 contenders match was also top class with superb heel work from Orton and top bumping on Rey's offensive spurts,the finish is obviosuly a set up for a 3-way

The CW match was a fun spotfest and MNM carried Hardy/Tonto to a solid little tag

[Mister J]

Anytime I can read the words 'horse****' and 'Tonto' in the same post, it's a good day.

I didn't see it, but I doubt Angle and UT could put on a bad match at a PPV.

We all know what Booker and Benoit are capable of.

I'll stop there because the Rey thing is ticking me off and I'm sick of the entire so-called tag division . Needless to say, I'd probably be bias in both areas.

[Sarge 2.0]

I can't believe the horse**** im reading in here.Taker/Angle was easy the best Main Event in a long time,big atmosphere great selling,solid psychology,athleticism and intensity, it was a top draw main event with brilliant finish and when TNA finally works out how to do main events like that maybe it will compete

The US title match was excellent,both guys were on form and the finish was very well worked

The #1 contenders match was also top class with superb heel work from Orton and top bumping on Rey's offensive spurts,the finish is obviosuly a set up for a 3-way

The CW match was a fun spotfest and MNM carried Hardy/Tonto to a solid little tagSo all in all, was the PPV worth the money? 'Cause I'm thinking about (somehow) catching the replay.

[Hunter Rider]

So all in all, was the PPV worth the money? 'Cause I'm thinking about (somehow) catching the replay.

Yes,for the Taker/Angle match alone with you being a fan i would say get it,Taker hasn't had a match this good since the Brock HIAC

[TheVileOne]

Its pathetic that MNM had to wrestle someone like Tatanka and Matt Hardy. They are the tag team champions and they can't even have them wrestle a legitimate tag team for the belts.

From what I've read Booker T/Benoit was nothing special and was average at best.

And the whole Eddie Guerrero mess, one of the big selling points of the PPV, beyond disgusting.

[Hunter Rider]

Its pathetic that MNM had to wrestle someone like Tatanka and Matt Hardy. They are the tag team champions and they can't even have them wrestle a legitimate tag team for the belts.
I agree but MNM still did a great job of carrying them to a match that was fun

From what I've read Booker T/Benoit was nothing special and was average at best.

It was easy better than all the matches on AAO except for the JJ/CC match and if you havent seen it for yourself i wouldn't go taking meltzer's views or anyone at the TNA boards as gospel



And the whole Eddie Guerrero mess, one of the big selling points of the PPV, beyond disgusting.


Please save to faux moral outrage,the match was awesome

[Eric Draven]

So they are going with a triple threat match?

That's good because I'd rather see that than Orton-Angle any day of the week :o

[Sarge 2.0]

I'd like to see Rey at least have a chance at the Main Event...Rey being in that match (especially with the odds against him, kayfabe and otherwise) is what Wrestlemania is supposed to be all about.

[The Batman]

What i dont understand about TNA is....you have guys like Daniels, Styles, Joe, and Abyss who'd make damn good champs, yet they're eternally stuck in the x division while jarett wins the belt another 100th time...

[The FallenAngel]

So all in all, was the PPV worth the money? 'Cause I'm thinking about (somehow) catching the replay.Hahaha. Did you forget that little thing that you live with called your mom?

[Sarge 2.0]

Hahaha. Did you forget that little thing that you live with called your mom?That's why I said somehow. And I hope. Read for comprehension, my son.

[Twitch]

Wow, This has been a great Monday.

DL'ed and watched Ultimo Dragon vs Rey From WAR in Japan December 13th 1996. They were an awesome match-up :up:

Too bad Vince didn't like Ultimo :(

[Sabretooth]

Ahahaha. 3 funny things that happened in the Divas match.


1) WWE pushing Maria as a wrestler

2) Candice winning and trying to be intimidating to Trish

3) Edge owning Candice

[Sarge 2.0]

The bronco buster Maria hit was the coolest thing in the history of the world. :(:up:

[Sabretooth]

The bronco buster Maria hit was the coolest thing in the history of the world.

Yeah,it only took her 2 years to learn it.:p

Is Edge being built up as the new Legend Killer?

[TheVileOne]

I don't think beating Jim Duggan makes him a legend killer.

[Sabretooth]

I don't think beating Jim Duggan makes him a legend killer.
Still,he's going after Mick Foley,then after Wrestlemania he starts another program with Flair....

[Eric Draven]

Wow, did I actually call it or what?

Marty ****ing Jannetty is back! :D

[citizenpain]

MARTY JENNETTY!! MARTY JENNETTY!!! MARTY JENNETTY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

that was awesome.

[Go Web Go!]

Wasn't Marty back on the active roster sometime last year? Now he's back? Hmm...Eh, nice touch I guess. I doubt he'll be there longer than a few weeks leading up to WM.

[Go Web Go!]

LOL. Carlito just said "C*ck Sucker" in Spanish on RAW.

[Eric Draven]

Wasn't Marty back on the active roster sometime last year? Now he's back? Hmm...Eh, nice touch I guess. I doubt he'll be there longer than a few weeks leading up to WM.

Yeah, and he was supposed to stick around but he got released after getting arrested for DUI or something like that.

Him showing up tonight was just totally surprising.....although I have a feeling he's going to turn on Shawn. Maybe toss him through a plate glass window? ;)

[The FallenAngel]

That's why I said somehow. And I hope. Read for comprehension, my son.You should just stop thinking about it, and stop hoping. Your brain will explode.

[Eric Draven]

And lame gimmick aside, the Spirit Squad isn't that bad after-all. I totally dug that trampoline closeline :up:

[punishermax]

So all in all, was the PPV worth the money? 'Cause I'm thinking about (somehow) catching the replay.

Usually, what I do is wait the four weeks and go to Wal-Mart, where up here in Wisconsin, they cost 15 bucks for the DVD.

[Sabretooth]

SO Carlito will be in Money in the Bank II? With his current high spots in his matches,he should be an interesting addition to it.:up:

[Go Web Go!]

Carlito is the man. He's quickly working his way up into my top 5.

[The Apatow Crew]

Usually, what I do is wait the four weeks and go to Wal-Mart, where up here in Wisconsin, they cost 15 bucks for the DVD.yeah thats what i used to do.

[Eric Draven]

SO Carlito will be in Money in the Bank II? With his current high spots in his matches,he should be an interesting addition to it.:up:

And imagine if they added RVD and Shelton Benjamin to it :eek:

[Capt Throbberson]

That last part of Raw goes as further proof that New Jersey hates John Cena

[The FallenAngel]

I think I'm a little more convinced that Cena is gonna get booed to hell in this feud with Trips. Hell, I might even order WM 22 just to see it.

[Go Web Go!]

Well, there you have it. The beginning of the end of Cena's reign as champion. I don't remember who it was, but there were a few people here WANTING Triple H to revert to his old greedy, title hogging ways and now you're going to get it. I'm already wanting HHH to lose the belt and he hasn't even won it. Atleast Cena was a breath of fresh air, annoying or not.

[Eric Draven]

Yeah, I kinda let out a huge profanity once Triple H won. Particularly after RVD did that wicked-ass frogsplash :(

It's not that I like Cena much either. I'd rather Cena continue on his feud with Edge.....

[Go Web Go!]

I wish Jericho were still around. He and Cena had a good thing going last summer.

[Capt Throbberson]

Jericho vs. Cena matches were great, of course then I thought Cena losing was possible :(

[LastSunrise1981]

I want Triple H to win because I'm tired of Cena. I want Cena to be buried already and never hold the world title again, and it's not just me has grown tired of me, other fans in the arenas and on the internet has gotten tired of of him and his act for quite sometime.

Edge was a breath of fresh air and the WWE screwed it up big time. To be honest I'd rather see Edge vs. Triple H at WM, however, Cena facing him there is better because I cherish the fact that Cena will lose. :)

[punishermax]

Imagine at WM 22, in Chicago, a pretty wrestling strong town, just how bad Cena i going to get booed out of the building. I would put Chicago up there with New York and anywhere in Canada, as one of the top few towns that respect the good wrestlers as compared to the "Flavor of the Month".

[Eric Draven]

I'm hoping eventually, he'll get booed enough that they'll go with a full-fledge Diesel turn again. He really needs to return to his old form :(

[Colossal Spoons]

Carlito is the man. He's quickly working his way up into my top 5.

Whoa, let's not get carried away now.

[TheVileOne]

Rob Van Dam, welcome back to mid-card obscurity.

[Donnie Darko]

ok, I haven't seen Raw in a couple weeks, and I only caught the last 30 minutes tonight... who else is in Money in the Bank other than Carlito (the man)?

[LastSunrise1981]

ok, I haven't seen Raw in a couple weeks, and I only caught the last 30 minutes tonight... who else is in Money in the Bank other than Carlito (the man)?

I wouldn't be surprised if RVD, Kane, Masters, and maybe Shelton are involved.

At this point Carlito is the only man confirmed.

[The Ghoul]

my full wrestlemania card predictions

Raw M.E.
HHH(w) vs Cena

SD! M.E.
Orton vs. Angle(w) vs.Rey

Mark Henry vs Undertaker(w)

Edge vs Foley(w: w/ assist from Flair)

interpromtional MITB II
Carlito/RVD(w: i hope)/Big Show/Lashley/JBL/Finlay

interpromotional
King vs Mr. Kennedy(w)

4 way tag team elimination
MNM/Lone Hardy & Tonto/Mexicools(w)/London & Spanky

Beniot(w) vs Booker-T vs Boogeyman


Masters vs Kane vs Shelton(w) vs Flair

Nunzio vs Helms vs Kash vs Scotty(w)

[da creole kid]

Triple H is going to have a kid in 7 months. So he'll probably beat Cena and hold the title for a couple of months.

I'm glad RVD lost. The company needs a viable Intercontinental Championship contender for Shelton Benjamin.

When will Masters and Carlito take the tag titles from The Big Show and Kane?

Did you see Ken Doane's leg-drop! If it wasn't for RVD's flip escape that was would have been the highlight of the show. Why isn't he in Smackdown's Cruiserweight Division.

Thanks Vince for ruining The Royal Rumble.

I heart Finlay. I wish he was the Raw GM.

I hate the "Money In The Bank". Actually I don't hate it as much as why can such coexist with a dying Royal Rumble and a dead King of the Ring.

To The Spirit Squad- I give them "Slow-Clap Perfromance of the Night"

[da creole kid]

The Ghoul - You are dead-on. (Except RVD won't win the Money In the Bank, there will be a Women's match, Mr. Kennedy is more likely to barely beat Chavo).

[Mister J]

Is Kennedy really gonna be back for WM or are you guys just hopeful?

I had a real bad feeling at the end of RAW. I knew perfectly well what was gonna happen. I believe I made a post about it. It was obvious H would get the Duke over RVD. I just wanted it to be a little more credible than the usual 'I get my ass kicked, but I'm gonna sneak up behind you with my wicked Pedigree.' That sucks.

Seeing (and hearing) Cena get booed was just a sampling of what WM will be. he's gonna get booed out of the damn building. If that stuff really bothers him, he better toughen up real quick. Seems WWE is back to the same ol' crap. The Game-uh is about to get the belt-uh.

[NDX]

From WWE.com:

Ashley suffered a spiral fracture of the left fibula, a non weight-bearing bone, Monday night while competing in the Diva Battle Royal to crown a No. 1 Contender for the Women's Championship. Surgery will not be required, however, Ashley will be in a cast for four weeks.

[Hunter Rider]

UGH i havent seen RAW yet but i decided to put myself out of my misery and lose all hope so i checked the result and so it has come to pass the most retarded main event in Mania History is set,The WWE is ran by fools if they think anyone gives a **** about that match and MITB-II=ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ ZZ

[Hunter Rider]

From WWE.com:

Ashley suffered a spiral fracture of the left fibula, a non weight-bearing bone, Monday night while competing in the Diva Battle Royal to crown a No. 1 Contender for the Women's Championship. Surgery will not be required, however, Ashley will be in a cast for four weeks.

Is it gona be Trish vs Candice at WM22 just to promote that playboy crap ?

BTW Kennedy will NOT be working Mania

[Mister J]

The Trish/Candice match is next week. They'll prolly go with Mickie/Trish at Mania.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Triple H winning just gave me a reason why I need to order WM22.

[LastSunrise1981]

Triple H will see how he'll get cheered once he pedigree's Cena into a bloody pulp.

[Hunter Rider]

Triple H will see how he'll get cheered once he pedigree's Cena into a bloody pulp.

I don't know why you think HHH will win,WWE just put the belt back on Cena,HHH just wants to go out there and show Angle and others how to work heel against Cena,
The Triple Threat from the SD side will be won by Orton and the big supposed pop moment of the night will be Superman "overcoming the odds" to beat HHH

[Ultimate_Superman]

Cena will not win do you really think Triple H will lay down for Cena at the biggest event of the year for their sport?

[Hunter Rider]

Cena will not win do you really think Triple H will lay down for Cena at the biggest event of the year for their sport?

Yes,he did it for Batista and HHH has more to gain by elevating Cena than winning the title for a 11th time

[Bad Superman]

UGH i havent seen RAW yet but i decided to put myself out of my misery and lose all hope so i checked the result and so it has come to pass the most retarded main event in Mania History is set,The WWE is ran by fools if they think anyone gives a **** about that match and MITB-II=ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ ZZ

Totally agree. I turned off the TV after Carlito's match. Didn't care for the rest of the show.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Yes,he did it for Batista and HHH has more to gain by elevating Cena than winning the title for a 11th timehe respected Batista we dont know if he feels the same for Cena.

[Hunter Rider]

he respected Batista we dont know if he feels the same for Cena.
Respect has nothing to do with it,Cena isnt very good in the ring but WWE feel he is their next Rock,if HHH buries him at Mania the feud and money dies in one go,so they will have Cena go over the first time and then continue the fued over the following months to keep TV ratings and Buyrates up
HHH attempting make Cena more credible makes more money in the longterm

[Ultimate_Superman]

No Triple H beating Cena makes more money then Edge or RVD beating Triple H makes even more money.

[LastSunrise1981]

I don't know why you think HHH will win,WWE just put the belt back on Cena,HHH just wants to go out there and show Angle and others how to work heel against Cena,
The Triple Threat from the SD side will be won by Orton and the big supposed pop moment of the night will be Superman "overcoming the odds" to beat HHH

Angle did everything a heel would do. He ripped into the fans, even ripped into the troops, had Davari as his manager, and the fans still cheered him because of his hardwork and dedication.

Triple H is going to be in for a shock, it doesn't matter if he smashes a sledgehammer into Cena's mom, he is still going to be cheered and cheered out of the building against Cena.

People are tired of Cena as it is.

[Hunter Rider]

No Triple H beating Cena makes more money then Edge or RVD beating Triple H makes even more money.

There is no money in Edge beating HHH,both are heels,Cena whether any of us like it or not is their new guy and him vs HHH is the new feud and they won't end it in 5 weeks and send Cena back to the midcard whether anyone likes it or not
RVD is going back to the IC title after Mania

[Hunter Rider]

Angle did everything a heel would do. He ripped into the fans, even ripped into the troops, had Davari as his manager, and the fans still cheered him because of his hardwork and dedication.

Triple H is going to be in for a shock, it doesn't matter if he smashes a sledgehammer into Cena's mom, he is still going to be cheered and cheered out of the building against Cena.

People are tired of Cena as it is.

Angle's heel work in the ring was the problem,he wrestled Cena as if Cena were Benoit,it just made Cena look incompetent,a good carry job would have involved Angle switching up styles to suit Cena,HHH will do this better as he has no highspots in his repotoire and plays slow burn heel much better

Im tired of Cena and you are but im afraid there are enough women and kids buying his stuff and cheering for him that WWE won't budge

[Hunter Rider]

Credit: PWInsider.com


Thanks to George Benedict for sending the following off-air report from last night's Raw in New Jersey:

After Raw ended, the fans were cheering for Triple H as he left, and booing Cena. Cena cut a promo, but was booed. Edge then came out, and we had Edge vs. Cena in a long match, with Cena winning. A LOT of fans left before this ended

LMAO,oh those geniuses in bookinghttp://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif

[The Batman]

RVD should've won that goddamn match. He's over with the fans, and he whooped ass last night. That five star on big show was freaking beauitiful.


Man, i just look back at all the talented wrestlers they had Cena beat....*sigh*