Wrestling

[Lone Wolf]

RVD should've won that goddamn match. He's over with the fans, and he whooped ass last night. That five star on big show was freaking beauitiful.


Man, i just look back at all the talented wrestlers they had Cena beat....*sigh*

Especially when RVD switched directions when he went for the land, that was sweet.

[LastSunrise1981]

Credit: PWInsider.com




LMAO,oh those geniuses in bookinghttp://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif

Hey Vince,

T-U-R-N C-E-N-A H-E-E-L. That's not hard for you to comprehend is it? :o

And one more thing Vince, you see there's a catch to all of this. Triple H is going to get cheered when he beats Cena to a pulp. It doesn't matter if H pounds Cena's mother with a sledgehammer, insults the fans, or beats up a Cena mark from the audience, regardless of any circumstance you put him in he'll be cheered and Cena will be booed.

Hell, I'll order WM just to see and hear Cena be booed. Maybe the WWE will either turn him heel or make him a tweener.

[Capt Throbberson]

Hey Vince,

T-U-R-N C-E-N-A H-E-E-L. That's not hard for you to comprehend is it? :o

And one more thing Vince, you see there's a catch to all of this. Triple H is going to get cheered when he beats Cena to a pulp. It doesn't matter if H pounds Cena's mother with a sledgehammer, insults the fans, or beats up a Cena mark from the audience, regardless of any circumstance you put him in he'll be cheered and Cena will be booed.

Hell, I'll order WM just to see and hear Cena be booed. Maybe the WWE will either turn him heel or make him a tweener.
I don't think they're going to turn him heel just because of the album and all the other "Cena marketing" they did. If he went heel, the little Cena marks will stop liking him, and he won't be as marketable.


EDIT: Just noticed rider pretty much said the same thing a few posts back. Oh well

[Sarge 2.0]

Once I realised he was in Trenton, I knew Cena was going to get crapped on again. If Cena goes to Philly, NY, or Chicago the same thing will happen.

[Sabretooth]

I highly doubt Cena will lose at Wrestlemania. He's too marketable,and I'm sure they'll want their Superman to keep an undefeated streak. He'll be booed to hell,but I don't think he'll turn heel until after his feud with Triple H,which I think we all know will go on halfway through next year.;)

[Sabretooth]

Credit: PWInsider.com




LMAO,oh those geniuses in bookinghttp://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif
Hahahaha. That's right HHH,you show Kurt Angle how to be a great heel. :rolleyes: ;)

[The Batman]

Especially when RVD switched directions when he went for the land, that was sweet.

i know, i was like "holy crap". i dont wanna see him win the IC belt for the 19th time

[Hunter Rider]

i know, i was like "holy crap". i dont wanna see him win the IC belt for the 19th time

Agreed,it's the pointless treading water spot:(
This Mania is sucking like a $2 Ho

[The Apatow Crew]

Agreed,it's the pointless treading water spot:(
This Mania is sucking like a $2 Homania islooking like crap. last mania i ordered was when benoit won the title. and the last ppv all together i got was survivor serires 2004.

[Hunter Rider]

mania islooking like crap. last mania i ordered was when benoit won the title. and the last ppv all together i got was survivor serires 2004.

Yep line up looks like

Angle vs Rey vs Orton
HHH vs Cena
MITB 2-RVD vs Shelton vs Masters vs Benoit vs Booker vs JBL
MNM vs Tonto/Hardy
Kane/Show vs ??????
HBK vs Vince
Taker vs Henry
Edge vs Foley
Finlay vs Lashley
CW Battle Royal

[The Batman]

Agreed,it's the pointless treading water spot:(
This Mania is sucking like a $2 Ho

i mean, i dont understand. he has one of the most unique styles of wrestling in the WWe, he's over with the fans, and at ONS he proved he could do mic work. If he cant main even mania, at least give him the belt at some point.

[Sarge 2.0]

Yep line up looks like

Angle vs Rey vs Orton
HHH vs Cena
MITB 2-RVD vs Shelton vs Masters vs Benoit vs Booker vs JBL
MNM vs Tonto/Hardy
Kane/Show vs ??????
HBK vs Vince
Taker vs Henry
Edge vs Foley
Finlay vs Lashley
CW Battle RoyalI think Kane and Show might face MNM in an interpromotional title unification match.

[The Batman]

Yep line up looks like

Angle vs Rey vs Orton
HHH vs Cena
MITB 2-RVD vs Shelton vs Masters vs Benoit vs Booker vs JBL
MNM vs Tonto/Hardy
Kane/Show vs ??????
HBK vs Vince
Taker vs Henry
Edge vs Foley
Finlay vs Lashley
CW Battle Royal

Actually, Carlito's probably gonna be in MITB2...

[Hunter Rider]

i mean, i dont understand. he has one of the most unique styles of wrestling in the WWe, he's over with the fans, and at ONS he proved he could do mic work. If he cant main even mania, at least give him the belt at some point.

They should have done a double pin with the triple threat and then RVD could have been in the world title match as well

[Hunter Rider]

Actually, Carlito's probably gonna be in MITB2...
your'e right,i forgot he was in it,maybe Shelton vs Haas ?

I think Kane and Show might face MNM in an interpromotional title unification match.

As long as MNM win thats cool

[Sarge 2.0]

They should have done a double pin with the triple threat and then RVD could have been in the world title match as wellWell, that's Trips for ya. Even though RVD at least deserved the shot, having "the King of Kings" do what he wants to with Cena is OK with me. Especially if Cena gets crapped on in Chi-Town.

[Hunter Rider]

Well, that's Trips for ya. Even though RVD at least deserved the shot, having "the King of Kings" do what he wants to with Cena is OK with me. Especially if Cena gets crapped on in Chi-Town.

If they sign Shawn vs Marty i may care about this Mania but right now i wouldn't wipe my ass with that card

[Sarge 2.0]

If they sign Shawn vs Marty i may care about this Mania but right now i wouldn't wipe my ass with that cardI think Marty might remain face, so as not to rehash the angle from a couple years ago.

[Hunter Rider]

I think Marty might remain face, so as not to rehash the angle from a couple years ago.

The Rockers vs Vince and Shane? i think i just died a little more:(

[Sarge 2.0]

Some (in my opinion) good news from WWE.com:

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[Sarge 2.0]

The Rockers vs Vince and Shane? i think i just died a little more:(I think that will be pre Mania if anything...I dunno who they could bring back for HBK's Mania opponent...most of the people that he has a history with are either retired, already working a Mania match, or with another company.

[Hunter Rider]

I think that will be pre Mania if anything...I dunno who they could bring back for HBK's Mania opponent...most of the people that he has a history with are either retired, already working a Mania match, or with another company.
That's why Marty would be the ideal opponent,they have good chemistry and a history that will really make the angle dramatic

[Lone Wolf]

i know, i was like "holy crap". i dont wanna see him win the IC belt for the 19th time

So with you on that.

I'll be hoping he wins the next Money in the Bank...

[Donnie Darko]

RVD NEEDS to win Money in the Bank and then cash in on it around Summerslam, and finally win the ****ing belt. It would be the best WWE moment in years. THEN... he could possibly feud with a Cena-turned-heel, who gave up on the fans after getting booed against HHH.

[The Techno Bat]

I think that will be pre Mania if anything...I dunno who they could bring back for HBK's Mania opponent...most of the people that he has a history with are either retired, already working a Mania match, or with another company.

I just hope they don't bring back Hogan for HBK's partner...

[The Apatow Crew]

Yep line up looks like

Angle vs Rey vs Orton
HHH vs Cena
MITB 2-RVD vs Shelton vs Masters vs Benoit vs Booker vs JBL
MNM vs Tonto/Hardy
Kane/Show vs ??????
HBK vs Vince
Taker vs Henry
Edge vs Foley
Finlay vs Lashley
CW Battle Royal man i'm so sick of that little whinny ***** edge. i hope they don't make foley look like a punk. cause he usually jobs to the newer talent or the ones there trying to push.

and finley vs lasley? wtf is that? that's something you would see on heat before mania.

[Sarge 2.0]

man i'm so sick of that little whinny ***** edge. i hope they don't make foley look like a punk. cause he usually jobs to the newer talent or the ones there trying to push.

and finley vs lasley? wtf is that? that's something you would see on heat before mania.Edge is hardly newer talent...and how is he "whiny"? :confused:

[Lone Wolf]

RVD NEEDS to win Money in the Bank and then cash in on it around Summerslam, and finally win the ****ing belt. It would be the best WWE moment in years. THEN... he could possibly feud with a Cena-turned-heel, who gave up on the fans after getting booed against HHH.

Speaking of Cena getting booed, did anyone see some of the people in the crowd pointing middles fingers when he was walking toward the ring? I could of sworn I heard some boo's when he first came out, also when he held the title in front of HHH's face until the end...

man i'm so sick of that little whinny ***** edge. i hope they don't make foley look like a punk. cause he usually jobs to the newer talent or the ones there trying to push.

and finley vs lasley? wtf is that? that's something you would see on heat before mania.

Personally I think Lashley should take on both JBL and Finlay, considering at NWO Finlay enabled JBL to get then pin on him for the victory.

[Hunter Rider]

The Foley/Edge match is probably gonna be a comedy match as weapons are already involved elsewhere on the card

I wish he was still champ:(

[Sarge 2.0]

Lashley should not go anywhere NEAR Mania as far as I'm concerned. He's way too inexperienced at this point.

[Lone Wolf]

Also Ashley is going to be out of action for four weeks....

[Hunter Rider]

Personally I think Lashley should take on both JBL and Finlay, considering at NWO Finlay enabled JBL to get then pin on him for the victory.

Lashley should go back to OVW and learn how to wrestle

[Sarge 2.0]

The Foley/Edge match is probably gonna be a comedy match as weapons are already involved elsewhere on the card

I wish he was still champ:(We can wish and dream all we want, but the marketable guys with mediocre ring work are going to be the flagships of the company from now on. :(

[Sarge 2.0]

Lashley should go back to OVW and learn how to wrestleOVW doesn't exactly have a great track record...they might just make Lashley worse.

[Hunter Rider]

We can wish and dream all we want, but the marketable guys with mediocre ring work are going to be the flagships of the company from now on. :(
The thing is WWE never even bothered to find out if Edge was marketable as they buried him after 3 weeks simply because HHH doesn't want to lose is spot as top heel,i mean god forbid he be secondary heel:eek:

[Hunter Rider]

OVW doesn't exactly have a great track record...they might just make Lashley worse.
Punk is there,he can at least show him how to move without looking like he has something jammed in his sewage buns

[Sarge 2.0]

The thing is WWE never even bothered to find out if Edge was marketable as they buried him after 3 weeks simply because HHH doesn't want to lose is spot as top heel,i mean god forbid he be secondary heel:eek:They just had their heads up their asses. Edge was money, Edge was ratings...but Trips went on an ego trip about his abilities as a heel. Foley said it best in his blog...Edge didn't fall off of the mountain; he was pushed.

[Sarge 2.0]

Punk is there,he can at least show him how to move without looking like he has something jammed in his sewage bunsI doubt Punk would rub Lashley the right way...and they're trying to "change Punk's style so that it's up to WWE standards" (:rolleyes:) anyway. OVW should just disappear...it's not a very effective wrestling school.

[Hunter Rider]

They just had their heads up their asses. Edge was money, Edge was ratings...but Trips went on an ego trip about his abilities as a heel. Foley said it best in his blog...Edge didn't fall off of the mountain; he was pushed.

Agreed,And now we are stuck with the most boring Mania main event since Taker/Sid (no offense)

[Sarge 2.0]

Agreed,And now we are stuck with the most boring Mania main event since Taker/Sid (no offense)Non taken. Sid was a horrid worker, and I can admit when Taker has terrible matches. I mean, he had to wrestle Giant goddamn Gonzales.

[Hunter Rider]

I doubt Punk would rub Lashley the right way...and they're trying to "change Punk's style so that it's up to WWE standards" (:rolleyes:) anyway. OVW should just disappear...it's not a very effective wrestling school.
it's a promotion,they have belts and angles and many say it's TV is better than WWE's with the Punk/Albright feud for the OVW TV title getting huge ratings from Meltzer and co

[Sarge 2.0]

it's a promotion,they have belts and angles and many say it's TV is better than WWE's with the Punk/Albright feud for the OVW TV title getting huge ratings from Meltzer and coI knew that it had it's own matches with storylines, titles and such, but is it actually aired anywhere? And isn't its primary function to act as a simulation of how things will work in "the big leauges"? Just my perception.

[Hunter Rider]

Non taken. Sid was a horrid worker, and I can admit when Taker has terrible matches. I mean, he had to wrestle Giant goddamn Gonzales.

That was the worst series Taker ever had,i mean Gonzalez could not do anything right so Taker couldn't even sell the threat of the monster because even his forearms to the back looked lame

[Hunter Rider]

I knew that it had it's own matches with storylines, titles and such, but is it actually aired anywhere? And isn't its primary function to act as a simulation of how things will work in "the big leauges"? Just my perception.

They seem to run it like a small Indy fed with better lighting,it airs in certain regions i believe but ive Downloaded Punks match with Albright
It is used to test out gimmicks and workers styles to see what they can bring to the main show as well though so you are right there but creative seem to overlook the good workers there and opt for the biggest muscles like Lashley and Masters to call up

[The FallenAngel]

OVW is aired on WB, but only in certain areas, I'm guessing, because I haven't seen it on yet. The booking they have down their is pretty good, and the matches are also pretty good. Punk/Albright has been great, IMO.

[Mister J]

Edge is hardly newer talent...and how is he "whiny"? :confused:

Come on, Sarge. All Edge does is whine.

*boo hoo*, "They won't give me a title shot"
*boo hoo*, "I'm Mr. MITB, nobody respects me"
*boo hoo*, "Don't blame me, I didn't steal your girlfriend"
*boo hoo*, "Shawn Michaels cheated"
*boo hoo*, "John Cena cheated"
*boo hoo*, "I beat Cena by DQ, I wanna rematch"
*boo hoo*, "Foley cheated me"

Granted, it's all storyline but he is the ultimate whiny heel. He must be doing a good job, 'cause I can't stand him.

I think giving him the belt, only to set-up the Foley match at WM was stupid.

[The Batman]

Agreed,And now we are stuck with the most boring Mania main event since Taker/Sid (no offense)


none taken., though i loved it when taker won and did his darkness pose, the match just wasnt exciting.everyone knows hart/austin stole the show that night

[Eric Draven]

I think Marty might remain face, so as not to rehash the angle from a couple years ago.

Unless Vince's idea of turning Shawn's life into hell is to have Marty superkick Shawn next week and throw him through a plate glass window ala what Shawn did to Marty back when the Rocker's split up.

After-all, it was that one moment in which the direction of both wrestlers went in opposite directions.......

[Eric Draven]

They seem to run it like a small Indy fed with better lighting,it airs in certain regions i believe but ive Downloaded Punks match with Albright
It is used to test out gimmicks and workers styles to see what they can bring to the main show as well though so you are right there but creative seem to overlook the good workers there and opt for the biggest muscles like Lashley and Masters to call up

From what I saw of the Spirit Squad this week, it seems like they can wrestle pretty well. Did you see the elevation of that one guy's leg drop? :eek:

[Twitch]

Should I get a Liger DVD for like 11.00 from Japan on Highspots?

Oh and I looked at the upcoming DVDs also and saw the Hogan Anthology. They had proable matches. It was decent with classic Hogan moments. But for the last match. Hogan vs. Shawn Summerslam. :down that match makes Hogan look like an egotastical ***** that he is and possibly one of the worst wrestling matches ever. :mad:

[The Batman]

From what I saw of the Spirit Squad this week, it seems like they can wrestle pretty well. Did you see the elevation of that one guy's leg drop? :eek:

they're pretty good...

[Sarge 2.0]

Should I get a Liger DVD for like 11.00 from Japan on Highspots?

Oh and I looked at the upcoming DVDs also and saw the Hogan Anthology. They had proable matches. It was decent with classic Hogan moments. But for the last match. Hogan vs. Shawn Summerslam. :down that match makes Hogan look like an egotastical ***** that he is and possibly one of the worst wrestling matches ever. :mad:Well, it received tons of hype, so I can understand why it would be on there.

[Sarge 2.0]

Come on, Sarge. All Edge does is whine.

*boo hoo*, "They won't give me a title shot"
*boo hoo*, "I'm Mr. MITB, nobody respects me"
*boo hoo*, "Don't blame me, I didn't steal your girlfriend"
*boo hoo*, "Shawn Michaels cheated"
*boo hoo*, "John Cena cheated"
*boo hoo*, "I beat Cena by DQ, I wanna rematch"
*boo hoo*, "Foley cheated me"

Granted, it's all storyline but he is the ultimate whiny heel. He must be doing a good job, 'cause I can't stand him.

I think giving him the belt, only to set-up the Foley match at WM was stupid.I know he whines in character...but I thought he was referring to, y'know, Adam Copeland.

[da creole kid]

The Edge heel turn was one of the worst calculated moves in WWE history. Yeah, all heels are inherently whiny *****es, but they atleast have to be interesting. Edge is not in the least bit interesting. He's unentertaining selfish jackass who not as good as he was before his injury. So screw Edge.

I love RVD as ring performer but his mic skills are still god-awful. You cannot write storylines around a guy who can't give you any convincing dialogue. He's IC/US holder, a TV Champ (Please Vince! Create an inter-brand TV title) , and a secondary face WWE/WHT chaser- that's all.

And before you guys continue *****ing about how awful Wrestlemania will be, remember this:

1. Eddie Guerrero is dead.
2. Mr. Kennedy is hurt.
3. Batista is hurt.
4. Matt Striker is hurt.
5. Booker T is probably more hurt than what is being reported.
6. Jericho left.
7. Christian left.

5 marketable personalities and 2 solid performers are gone due to injury, a death, and ego. It is not that easy to be a WWE writer right now. So chill the f out.

[Mister J]

I know he whines in character...but I thought he was referring to, y'know, Adam Copeland.

OK. I don't think any of us could accurately make that call (what Adam Copeland is). Frankly, from the interviews/transcripts I've read and seen (especially after Lita-Hardy thing), he seems pretty mellow.

[Mister J]

And before you guys continue *****ing about how awful Wrestlemania will be, remember this:

1. Eddie Guerrero is dead.
2. Mr. Kennedy is hurt.
3. Batista is hurt.
4. Matt Striker is hurt.
5. Booker T is probably more hurt than what is being reported.
6. Jericho left.
7. Christian left.

5 marketable personalities and 2 solid performers are gone due to injury, a death, and ego. It is not that easy to be a WWE writer right now. So chill the f out.

Those omissions noted, there is still more than enough talent in WWE to put on a good show. People aren't complaining that there's a lack of star-power, they're complaining that the set-ups and storylines for what look to be the proposed matches absolutely suck.

[SLYspyder]

And before you guys continue *****ing about how awful Wrestlemania will be, remember this:

1. Eddie Guerrero is dead.
2. Mr. Kennedy is hurt.
3. Batista is hurt.
4. Matt Striker is hurt.
5. Booker T is probably more hurt than what is being reported.
6. Jericho left.
7. Christian left.

5 marketable personalities and 2 solid performers are gone due to injury, a death, and ego. It is not that easy to be a WWE writer right now. So chill the f out.

exactly, none of this was planned, and they had to make the best of the situation

[Hunter Rider]

LOL look Mania sucks because they can't book intelligently,RVD cur a great promo at ONS and they should have done a 4 way instead of having the stupid paper champ once again working the main event hog
The card sucks and there are no excuses

[Sarge 2.0]

LOL look Mania sucks because they can't book intelligently,RVD cur a great promo at ONS and they should have done a 4 way instead of having the stupid paper champ once again working the main event hog
The card sucks and there are no excusesExactly, with the workers they still have I could think of a card that's at least somewhat up to Wrestlemania standards. They just ****ed up the booking, and now their flagship is paying the price.

[The Apatow Crew]

Lashley should not go anywhere NEAR Mania as far as I'm concerned. He's way too inexperienced at this point.i call lashley the black brock lesnar but without the talent. i called him that the day he deburted and whats wuth him using the dominator anyway? they couldn't think of any othetr move cause he's suppose to dominate his oppents. as muc has i don't like jbl he should not have to job to the likes of the boogeyman and lashely

[Eric Draven]

RVD can't cut a decent promo, but then again, you could've said the same thing about Bret Hart back in the day. And back before Bret Hart became champion, the WWE didn't think Hart could main event. But they gave him a chance, and it succeeded greatly.

RVD's gimmick is basically that he's the Whole ****ing Show. It's the stuff in the ring that helps him get over. The crowd last night was solidly behind RVD and RVD worked his ass off in that match. Just the fact that he had to get bumped aside for Triple H (again!) just does sit right for me.....

[da creole kid]

Mister J- I don't disagree that WWE could do a better job; especially with the Cruiserweight division. But the entire point of storylines is to create star-power. hunter rider seems to be the only guy to understand that the WWE's first and foremost goal is optimize profits.

Example, remember when Jericho was the Undisputed Champion and it went absolutely nowhere. Jericho was beloved by hardcore fans, was a good performer, and was probably their best mic guy. But when he won against relative icons. Not too many people could buy him as champion and the ratings went down and more importantly the merchandising wares were not selling.

Now look at Cena, JBL did tremendous job of being a heel champion so unpopular that you prepared to have anyone be champion but him! About that time John Cena created "The Chain Gang" which more than anything gave the Cena fan-base a calling card. Something that made them feel that they are a part of a team. And like members of a team, they proudly wore the team colors and other things. The T-shirt sales and all the other merchandising knick-knacks (the most important of which are the Spinner Belt and the CD) sold like ****ing hotcakes and the ratings have increased during his reign.

Cena is making Vince a lot of money right now and he is going to be a main eventer for a long time. Or atleast until we see how much money Kane's movie is going to make Vince.

[Eric Draven]

The reason why Jericho failed as undisputed champion was because of Triple H and Stephanie. Seriously. I mean instead of Jericho's match at WM being about him and Trips, it was just about the marriage angle between Triple H and Steph. Jericho was just pushed as an afterthought in the entire feud and that just absolutely killed off any credibility Jericho had.....

[da creole kid]

No, Jericho was liked but he wasn't loved.

Jericho at that time was probably the best all-around mic guy. But that was only because he was never made a mistake. Jericho could only get so far with his Y2J handle and his "Jerichohlics" had as much appeal as Christian's "Peeps". He provided nothing that casual fans or fans who considered returning could hold on too.

Jericho was my second favorite wrestler and my third favorite character at that time. And I cringed, everytime he got bupkiss from the crowd when he was on the mic as Undisputed Champion. Triple H maybe an ******* and created a lot of problems for the business during that time, but Chris Jericho underwhelming reign as Undisputed Champion wasn't one of them.

[Mister J]

Mister J- I don't disagree that WWE could do a better job; especially with the Cruiserweight division. But the entire point of storylines is to create star-power. hunter rider seems to be the only guy to understand that the WWE's first and foremost goal is optimize profits.

I think we all understand about their wanting to make money. It's been referred to several times as far was why Cena continues to be on top. However, as critical fans, we're still going to call crap when we see it. This stuff is crap. Now, I don't doubt Vince should go after $, but it's not as if we're going to hold this shoddy booking in higher regard because it's profitable. Vince's is concerned with the money. I'm concerned with seeing a good product. As long as people keep the $ coming, Vince will put out whatever he wants. WWE kinda sucks right now, might be profitable, but it still sucks.

[Hunter Rider]

HHH buried Y2J,the night after he won the titles he was over huge as a cocky heel,it was whne HHH and Austin decided Y2J shouldn't go over clean against anyone and that he should be Steph's ***** was when the problems started

Cena is selling T-shirts to kids but he hasn't popped a buyrate any bigger than Benoit did in 2004
This Mania line-up sucks because WWE have forgotten how to book properly,the MITB-II match is prime exmaple of lazy repetetive booking

[The Apatow Crew]

HHH buried Y2J,the night after he won the titles he was over huge as a cocky heel,it was whne HHH and Austin decided Y2J shouldn't go over clean against anyone and that he should be Steph's ***** was when the problems started

Cena is selling T-shirts to kids but he hasn't popped a buyrate any bigger than Benoit did in 2004
This Mania line-up sucks because WWE have forgotten how to book properly,the MITB-II match is prime exmaple of lazy repetetive booking

i hope they don't go the same route with the MIIB 2 as they did the first one.

[Hunter Rider]

This card was fully achievable

World title-Angle vs Rey
WWE title 4-way-Edge vs Cena vs HHH vs RVD
Shawn Michaels vs Marty Janetty
Taker vs Henry
US title 2 out of 3 falls-Benoit vs Orton
IC title-Shelton vs Haas
WWE Tag titles-MNM vs Spanky/London
World tag titles-Kane/Show vs Carlito/Masters
Foley vs JBL

[The Apatow Crew]

This card was fully achievable

World title-Angle vs Rey
WWE title 4-way-Edge vs Cena vs HHH vs RVD
Shawn Michaels vs Marty Janetty
Taker vs Henry
US title 2 out of 3 falls-Benoit vs Orton
IC title-Shelton vs Haas
WWE Tag titles-MNM vs Spanky/London
World tag titles-Kane/Show vs Carlito/Masters
Foley vs JBL

that all seems pretty good. but how would they get JBL and foley together?

[The Batman]

The Edge heel turn was one of the worst calculated moves in WWE history. Yeah, all heels are inherently whiny *****es, but they atleast have to be interesting. Edge is not in the least bit interesting. He's unentertaining selfish jackass who not as good as he was before his injury. So screw Edge.

I love RVD as ring performer but his mic skills are still god-awful. You cannot write storylines around a guy who can't give you any convincing dialogue. He's IC/US holder, a TV Champ (Please Vince! Create an inter-brand TV title) , and a secondary face WWE/WHT chaser- that's all.

And before you guys continue *****ing about how awful Wrestlemania will be, remember this:

1. Eddie Guerrero is dead.
2. Mr. Kennedy is hurt.
3. Batista is hurt.
4. Matt Striker is hurt.
5. Booker T is probably more hurt than what is being reported.
6. Jericho left.
7. Christian left.

5 marketable personalities and 2 solid performers are gone due to injury, a death, and ego. It is not that easy to be a WWE writer right now. So chill the f out.

1. Nothing we can do about that
2. See 1
3. See 1
4. Striker's not a big name anyway
5. Booker T can probably wrestle a decent match
6.If WWE didnt jerk him around and bury him, maybe he'd still be here
7. See 6, specially since he was getting big pops

I hope you're not referring to christian and jericho when talking about ego. Those guys busted their ass in WWE, only to be constantly buried. I bet you if Trips didnt injure his leg, jericho would never have been undisputed champ. Christian was getting big pops from the crowd, and not only did WWE purposely bury him, he was still considered nothing more than a midcarder.

[The Apatow Crew]

yes the PEEPS what about the PEEPS? and the PEEPOULATION?

[Sarge 2.0]

yes the PEEPS what about the PEEPS? and the PEEPOULATION?They're now situated in Orlando Florida, basking in Christians main event status and Heavyweight strap. :o

[The Apatow Crew]

They're now situated in Orlando Florida, basking in Christians main event status and Heavyweight strap. :o:eek: the CLB is the champ? good for him then.

[Hunter Rider]

that all seems pretty good. but how would they get JBL and foley together?

Easy,just put Foley on SD in some capacity and let the talk turn to politics,JBL and Foley are on opposite sides of that and then have JBL heel it up and attack Foley leading to a match

[The Batman]

No, Jericho was liked but he wasn't loved.

Jericho at that time was probably the best all-around mic guy. But that was only because he was never made a mistake. Jericho could only get so far with his Y2J handle and his "Jerichohlics" had as much appeal as Christian's "Peeps". He provided nothing that casual fans or fans who considered returning could hold on too.

Jericho was my second favorite wrestler and my third favorite character at that time. And I cringed, everytime he got bupkiss from the crowd when he was on the mic as Undisputed Champion. Triple H maybe an ******* and created a lot of problems for the business during that time, but Chris Jericho underwhelming reign as Undisputed Champion wasn't one of them.

Are you kidding me?

Jericho's first appearance that fateful night in August 1999 is still considered by many the best entrance into the WWE ever, and those loud pops were from more than just his beloved fans. He was incredibly over in 1999-2000. When he won the undisputed title, the WWE did nothing to make him look credible. And then Trips came in and buried him. And as for Christian, he was getting bigger pops than cena. Jericho even admitted the only reason they put him in the match between cena and christian was because they knew christian would get more pops.

Jericho and Chrisitan had all the potential in the world, but WWE apparently doesnt like having talented wrestlers with charisma in the ME, just half assed vanilla ice's and musclebound 22 year old's, and razor ramon ripoffs.

[The Apatow Crew]

Easy,just put Foley on SD in some capacity and let the talk turn to politics,JBL and Foley are on opposite sides of that and then have JBL heel it up and attack Foley leading to a matchseems like typical wwe storylines.

[citizenpain]

carlito talking about money in the bank and rvd coming so close to winning that #1 contenders match made me think that those two are going to have a money in the bank ladder match at wrestlemania. it makes sense too cuz they already got beef... carlito/rvd in a ladder match? that has potential to be awesome.

[Sabretooth]

Is it me or did it seem like RVD was reading off of cards last night during that promo?

[Mister J]

I've always thought RVD sounds like that. Must be the whole knowledge of camera thing. I wouldn't expect him to talk like that in real life.

[Sabretooth]

Triple H was probably behind the camera laughing his ass off and holding a sign saying ''Midcard is RVD's home'' :(

[Mister J]

Especially, if Trips gets his way (which he usually does). That Triple Threat was ruined for me 'cause you could see the end coming a mile away.

[Bizzybone]

Who would win in a fight.



Yokuzona vs Paul White

[The Ghoul]

Yokozuna is dead & That's completley irrelevant... Big Show.

As for what's been said for the last 4 pages...
Cena will lose at WM HHH was very open that it was his goal sence Cena went to Raw, It's the only reason he didn't go right to the title picture. Bottom line he LET Cena milk his reign. He and Batista are friends & that's why he jobbed, but he HATES Cena.

RVD is a total package, great ring work, great mic-work. His ECW promos were what built his equally ****ing stellar matches, because it wasn't about the story in the first place. Instead of someone coming with some silly gimmicky story, RVD would just shoot then say "RVD 420: I just smoked your ass" His ONS promo was barley a stitch of what he used to cut before he was rendered to "Whatever Dude!"

Matt, Jericho, Christian & Edge are the back bone of WWE. Losing CC & Y2J in less than 2 months killed any momentum they may have even thought they would get after moving Cena. The CC/Cena fued was total money. WWe squashed it because Vince has it in for us (I believe this may be one of the monitored threads by officials). Edge was a great Champ. At every WWE event I attended the camp was either HHH or Cena. & to see neither of them as champ at RR turned me into a cheshire cat. (only to die a little inside when Cena won.)

[The Apatow Crew]

Especially, if Trips gets his way (which he usually does). That Triple Threat was ruined for me 'cause you could see the end coming a mile away.of course you can do anything when your banging the bos's daughter.

[da creole kid]

What are your guys malfunction?

The WWE doesn't ****ing care to bury wrestlers unless they absolutely have to! (Edge is on watch) The WWE is a business and a business needs to draw as many customers to optimize profit and insure growth.

Hulk Hogan is one of the worst wrestlers of all-time but he pushed the WWF in the wrestling forefront with Hulkamania and he is the biggest reason the NWO carried the WCW. You know why? He had crossover appeal. He can go to Johnny Carson, star in movies, do a skit on SNL, and make it on the cover of Sports Illustrated.

Jericho had a chance to do so. But his Undisputed Title was miscalculated and fizzled. Triple H has done some things to **** **** up, but Jericho was not his fault.

And don't get me started on Christian. He had a cult following. But it wasn't a religion. What the **** he ever do for the company than do his job!

[Hunter Rider]

WWE have buried many a guy out of spite or political manipulation
Jericho would have done great as Champ if HHH had not made him into a joke,read Y2J's article in this thread and Christian was over in MSG that has been the WWE barometer for years and yet they buried him because they didn't make him

[da creole kid]

hunter rider- Do you watch "Scrubs"?

[Hunter Rider]

hunter rider- Do you watch "Scrubs"?

no,why ?

[Mister J]

Backstage politics has always been a part of professional wrestling. Once you allow the talent to have influence into the product, it's inevitable. Jericho's title reign was 'miscalculated and fizzled' because they never allow him to gain any credibility as champion. Basically, the whole thing leading up to that year's WM was Jericho as Steph's puppet. You knew Trips was gonna kick his ass, as that's what happened. After that Jericho didn't come near the title again.

WWE seems to have alot of that, where they'll book a fashionable result and then reverse it and never touch it again, all for no apparent reason. Jericho, Benoit, Eddie, Orton all had title wins and then they lost and never sniffed the belt again. It makes the on-screen presentation weak because the angles just don't make sense.

creole, please calm down...really. That's way too many asterisks in your post. It's not that serious. WWE does occasionally engage in some rather mindless decisions when it comes to push/de-pushing wrestlers. It's as if they've forgotten how to build characters and try to shove people down your throat (current Cena, nearing it with Boogeyman). When somebody is over, they just kinda ignore it (RVD, Show, Kane). That, or they'll just modify it and screw it up (former Cena).

[Hunter Rider]

Backstage politics has always been a part of professional wrestling. Once you allow the talent to have influence into the product, it's inevitable. Jericho's title reign was 'miscalculated and fizzled' because they never allow him to gain any credibility as champion. Basically, the whole thing leading up to that year's WM was Jericho as Steph's puppet. You knew Trips was gonna kick his ass, as that's what happened. After that Jericho didn't come near the title again.

WWE seems to have alot of that, where they'll book a fashionable result and then reverse it and never touch it again, all for no apparent reason. Jericho, Benoit, Eddie, Orton all had title wins and then they lost and never sniffed the belt again. It makes the on-screen presentation weak because the angles just don't make sense.

creole, please calm down...really. That's way too many asterisks in your post. It's not that serious. WWE does occasionally engage in some rather mindless decisions when it comes to push/de-pushing wrestlers. It's as if they've forgotten how to build characters and try to shove people down your throat (current Cena, nearing it with Boogeyman). When somebody is over, they just kinda ignore it (RVD, Show, Kane). That, or they'll just modify it and screw it up (former Cena).

Yep,Politics and backstage power plays are all part of the game going way back,as Flair's book puts it,guys like him don't see it as burying someone but instead as preserving their spots and paychecks
This Cena vs HHH match though makes no sense from any logical angle

[da creole kid]

There was an episode not too long ago in which Donald Faison's character Turk was edging for some kind of promotion that had only four open spots. And he kept brown-nosing and bring up his good record, but his boss insisted that he had to something that could be printed in some kind of medical medical journal to insure a spot.

As the plot went he had trouble with a patient who didn't want anasthetics during her surgery. His wife suggested that he hypnotizes the patient before the surgery. He didn't take the suggestion seriously; but, after hearing that his boss said that such a procedure would be publishable, he went through with it. The result was comedically unsuccessful (It is a comedy); however, the attempt was admirable and the boss assured Turk that the story would be sent to a bunch of medical journals to published. Whether he got the promotion, I'm not sure. I haven't seen every episode.

However hunter rider you know why this episode relates to Jericho, Cena, and especially Christian?

[3dman27]

They're now situated in Orlando Florida, basking in Christians main event status and Heavyweight strap. :o
oh yes

[Hunter Rider]

There was an episode not too long ago in which Donald Faison's character Turk was edging for some kind of promotion that had only four open spots. And he kept brown-nosing and bring up his good record, but his boss insisted that he had to something that could be printed in some kind of medical medical journal to insure a spot.

As the plot went he had trouble with a patient who didn't want anasthetics during her surgery. His wife suggested that he hypnotizes the patient before the surgery. He didn't take the suggestion seriously; but, after hearing that his boss said that such a procedure would be publishable, he went through with it. The result was comedically unsuccessful (It is a comedy); however, the attempt was admirable and the boss assured Turk that the story would be sent to a bunch of medical journals to published. Whether he got the promotion, I'm not sure. I haven't seen every episode.

However hunter rider you know why this episode relates to Jericho, Cena, and especially Christian?

Yes but it doesn't apply to Jericho and Christian because they never got a proper chance,the "operation" didn't fail they just got buried through politics
In Cena's case WWE obviously feel that since it works for 50% of the audience then that is enough

[Hunter Rider]

SD Spoilers

No pyro, but the legend killer Randy Orton comes out to laugh in the crowd's face and gives the old " I told you so" promo. He talks about how his father built the business and how they are the best wrestling family. Then out of nowhere, Chavo Guerrero comes out of the crowd and gives Orton the triple verticals. Security comes in and carries Chavo out with him chanting, "We are the best family in wrestling you forgot...you forgot about me."

Comerical break and we get a change of the top rope for some reason

Booker T's Music hits and he comes out for commentary

The Boogeyman b The ***** in a handicap match after which Boogey starts to go after Booker but he hops the barrier. Boogey then dumps a whole bag of worms on the announce table. FUNNY STUFF, probably the best part of the night entertainment wise.

We then have our tag team title match with saw MNM b Matt Hardy and Tatanka. Huge pop for Matt,but overall just like at NWO, the crowd was dead.

We then got Rey Mysterio addressing the crowd and saying that he is sorry to Vicky, Chavo, the fans, and most of all Eddie Guerrero for losing at NWO. This brings out Teddy Long who then tells us that while he can't take Orton out of the main event at WM22, he can add Rey to it and does, making it Rey vs Orton vs The champ at WM22. I was wondering why Long didn't say Angle's name? I'll get to that.

Greg Helms defeated Psicosis in a Cruiserweight title match. Very good spotfest match)

We then see NWO highlights from the Taker vs Angle match. Teddy Long comes out again and anounces the rematch next week on Smackdown from Washington,D.C.

We then have our main event six man tag which saw Chris Benoit & Lashley & Rey Mysterio defeat Randy Orton & JBL & Finlay. Damn good match. Lashley is a cross between Goldberg, Monty Brown with a touch of Lesnar if I ever did see one.

[da creole kid]

Mister J

1. I don't deny that backstage politics exist. (But as Marcellus Wallace said, "That's a mother****ing fact of life").

2. And I'll could agree that Vince could do a better job. (He screwed up Muhhamad Hassan).

However, the WWE ain't high school; so quit acting like a high school chick and ignore the gossip.

hunter rider might have some potential, but most of you hardcore fans would destroy the WWE if you somehow ran it. (Of course you won't, but I can use my imagination if you can).

[Twitch]

--WrestleMania moment focusing on Jeff Hardy’s swanton off a ladder. That should stir some internet discussion.

--Interview w/Misterio Jr. apologizes to everyone for losing including Vickie, Chavo & Eddie—Teddy Long comes out, shows the finish from Sunday, and makes the WM match a 3-way

WM improved a little bit and very interesting clip shown

[Twitch]

Damn You Hunter :mad:

[Hunter Rider]

Damn You Hunter :mad:
what ?:confused:

[Twitch]

Never Mind :o

[Mister J]

However, the WWE ain't high school; so quit acting like a high school chick and ignore the gossip.

What does that even mean? It makes absolutely no sense.

hunter rider might have some potential, but most of you hardcore fans would destroy the WWE if you somehow ran it. (Of course you won't, but I can use my imagination if you can).

You might wanna take note that 'hardcore' fans and management can, and often do, have divergent interests when it comes to business. As long as a guy pushes merchandise he'll be on/near the top. However, that doesn't mean that he's being booked in the most entertaining way. You seem to be resistant to that notion.

[Hunter Rider]

Mister J

1. I don't deny that backstage politics exist. (But as Marcellus Wallace said, "That's a mother****ing fact of life").

2. And I'll could agree that Vince could do a better job. (He screwed up Muhhamad Hassan).

However, the WWE ain't high school; so quit acting like a high school chick and ignore the gossip.

hunter rider might have some potential, but most of you hardcore fans would destroy the WWE if you somehow ran it. (Of course you won't, but I can use my imagination if you can).

WWE is worse than high schoolhttp://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon12.gif
The thing is that politics often make things worse so fans are gonna say if they think something is garbage like Cena vs HHH or Y2J getting buried but if you look at the views on No Way Out you will see that fans also give credit where it is due when they nail it
Thats the point of a message board,if everyone just posted like zombies agreeing with everything WWE did and ignoring some of the blatant political BS then there would be nothing to talk about

[NDX]

Dammit, I was beaten twice to the spoilers. I must really be tired. Guess I should sleep at night and not during the day.

Well, at least Smackdown! looks like it will be worth watching, minus the in ring interview segments.

Looks like they're gonna set up the Taker/Henry feud not this show, but the next. I had a feeling that was going to happen a few weeks ago, and NWO confirmed it.

[3dman27]

SD Spoilers

No pyro, but the legend killer Randy Orton comes out to laugh in the crowd's face and gives the old " I told you so" promo. He talks about how his father built the business and how they are the best wrestling family. Then out of nowhere, Chavo Guerrero comes out of the crowd and gives Orton the triple verticals. Security comes in and carries Chavo out with him chanting, "We are the best family in wrestling you forgot...you forgot about me."

Comerical break and we get a change of the top rope for some reason

Booker T's Music hits and he comes out for commentary

The Boogeyman b The ***** in a handicap match after which Boogey starts to go after Booker but he hops the barrier. Boogey then dumps a whole bag of worms on the announce table. FUNNY STUFF, probably the best part of the night entertainment wise.

We then have our tag team title match with saw MNM b Matt Hardy and Tatanka. Huge pop for Matt,but overall just like at NWO, the crowd was dead.

We then got Rey Mysterio addressing the crowd and saying that he is sorry to Vicky, Chavo, the fans, and most of all Eddie Guerrero for losing at NWO. This brings out Teddy Long who then tells us that while he can't take Orton out of the main event at WM22, he can add Rey to it and does, making it Rey vs Orton vs The champ at WM22. I was wondering why Long didn't say Angle's name? I'll get to that.

Greg Helms defeated Psicosis in a Cruiserweight title match. Very good spotfest match)

We then see NWO highlights from the Taker vs Angle match. Teddy Long comes out again and anounces the rematch next week on Smackdown from Washington,D.C.

We then have our main event six man tag which saw Chris Benoit & Lashley & Rey Mysterio defeat Randy Orton & JBL & Finlay. Damn good match. Lashley is a cross between Goldberg, Monty Brown with a touch of Lesnar if I ever did see one.
what about angle? you didn't mention him after the rey-orton match

[Hunter Rider]

what about angle? you didn't mention him after the rey-orton match

Angle fought in a fatal 4 way dark match after the show

[da creole kid]

hunter rider

The "operation" wasn't important. It was the "published" that was key.

As The Rock best put it- "Take the bull by the horns and raise the people's eyebrows."

See, simply being published draws interest. Enough interest brings investors. Investors brings money. Money does not insure success, but it does give you breathing room and a possibility at growth. The boss encouraged Turk do it because he knew it could bring the hospital money.

Jericho's title reign was the final miscalculation of the whole miscalculated "Invasion" storyline. It has little to do with Triple H as much as it is Vince's big screw up. When he won, the casual fans were not being drawn in and the company was not making enough money nor were the ratings going up.

Now Jericho does a decent job with getting the WWE pub outside the ring. But all he has done of any note is "I Love the 80's", "...90's", and "Best Week Ever". These shows plays to his strengths. But Big Show has done more for the company with his great interviews on "Conan O'Brien" and his work in "SNL".

Cena has a CD. He had a movie; although I hear that's its being buried. He gave the WWE fans the spinner U.S. and WWE titles. He's been on "Mad TV" (which isn't SNL, but it is a start). His mic work is good and "You Can't See Me" is great intro song and listenable as a novelty record (It's no "Super Bowl Shuffle", but what is). And until Eddie died, his spinner chain I believe was the best-selling item on WWEshop.com.

Christian sold a couple of T-shirts nowhere near the volume of Cena's "Chain Gang" jersey. He has done nothing to make the company any money but do his job. The mafia would deem him a "lousy earner". Come on, The Rock tried to help him out but it didn't translate to anyone who wasn't already a Christian fan.

[Hunter Rider]

Jericho was booked badly,look at HHH's first run ? he sucked and no one cared unless he was in with Austin or Rock,and then what happened ? they put him in that feud with Cactus Jack and they had 2 incredible matches that HHH won cleanly and the fans started to buy him as champ
If Jericho had not been made to look like a fool against The Rock and Austin and then subsequntly made Steph's coffee boy at HHH's wish then he could have became a draw
The fact is you have to get a solid booked run to be made a draw,you don't just make money overnight,if Y2J had been booked like a heel god instead of a ***** he would have caught on but they buried him instead
As for Christian did he get the belt for 5 months and run with it ? No he never even got a chnace b/c WWE resented that he made himself popular so there is no debate on him
I'm curious who is your favourite wrestler Creole ?

[da creole kid]

Kurt Angle

[Hunter Rider]

Kurt Angle

Great wreslter:up: now im bored of this "what if" discussion and im guessing you are so i want to ask you,do you think Angle will retain at Mania or not ?

[da creole kid]

If they somehow muscle in Mysterio- no.

If it is simply RKO and Angle- yes.

I don't like the fact that RKO is going to have title shot because it destroys the credibility of the Royal Rumble.

[Hunter Rider]

If they somehow muscle in Mysterio- no.

If it is simply RKO and Angle- yes.

I don't like the fact that RKO is going to have title shot because it destroys the credibility of the Royal Rumble.
Agreed,it is a bad idea,have you read the SD spoilers ?

[da creole kid]

No I haven't. Though I probably will around noonish. Any I got to go to class right now.

[Hunter Rider]

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http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/1600/023dm.jpg (http://imageshack.us/?x=my6&myref=http://www.imageshack.us/)

[Bad Superman]

Triple H is going to be in for a shock, it doesn't matter if he smashes a sledgehammer into Cena's mom, he is still going to be cheered and cheered out of the building against Cena.

People are tired of Cena as it is.

:D :D :D ROFL I could actually picture Triple H doing that.


Respect has nothing to do with it,Cena isnt very good in the ring but WWE feel he is their next Rock,if HHH buries him at Mania the feud and money dies in one go,so they will have Cena go over the first time and then continue the fued over the following months to keep TV ratings and Buyrates up
HHH attempting make Cena more credible makes more money in the longterm

I do believe Cena will win at Mania for that same reason. I think WWE has to be very careful on giving back the title to Triple H. Why? Because TNA is offering what the fans really want: Christian as World Champion, Sting, Golberg's return, etc. Fans are tired of Triple H and want something new. Edge's World title run offered that but was killed off faster than a tequila shot a Mardi Gras. There was a lot of potential with Edge as World Champion but the WWE monkeys couldn't see it.

[DOG LIPS]

:D :D :D ROFL I could actually picture Triple H doing that.




I do believe Cena will win at Mania for that same reason. I think WWE has to be very careful on giving back the title to Triple H. Why? Because TNA is offering what the fans really want: Christian as World Champion, Sting, Golberg's return, etc. Fans are tired of Triple H and want something new. Edge's World title run offered that but was killed off faster than a tequila shot a Mardi Gras. There was a lot of potential with Edge as World Champion but the WWE monkeys couldn't see it.
Really?? When?

[Sava]

http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/1600/023dm.jpg (http://imageshack.us/?x=my6&myref=http://www.imageshack.us/)

the good old days :( :Up:

[Bad Superman]

Really?? When?

Apparently negotiations are pretty advanced.

From: http://www.wrestlinginc.com/v2/wi/stc/nws/2006/2/21/16127.shtml

Major TNA/Goldberg Update, Heat With Vince McMahon
By Tim Brown, WrestlingInc.com Staff

The Wrestling Observer Newsletter reports that negotiations have gone well between TNA and Goldberg. While it isn’t safe to say anything is expected yet, both sides are hopeful.

Goldberg is said to be very enthusiastic about working for TNA. This is likely because he doesn’t want to be remembered for his last match at Madison Square Garden with Brock Lesnar. Another thing motivating him to work with TNA, is said to be his dislike for Vince McMahon, who he doesn’t even like to talk about.

If a deal is worked out between the two, it’s likely he would wrestle a few matches. It isn’t likely that they will try to build the company around him, or even make him a regular. However, if Spike TV decides to pitch in the money, he could be around for a bit longer than a few matches.

[WildChild]

I have no idea why they did't have Carlito screw RVD setting up that feud for mania perfectly.

[Bad Superman]

I have no idea why they did't have Carlito screw RVD setting up that feud for mania perfectly.

They can still go at it at WM. Neither has a match for Mania yet.

[DOG LIPS]

Apparently negotiations are pretty advanced.

From: http://www.wrestlinginc.com/v2/wi/stc/nws/2006/2/21/16127.shtml
Thanks. :up:

[PyroChamber]

I just realized something, are there not going to be any RAW superstar vs. SD superstar matches at WM?

[Hunter Rider]

I just realized something, are there not going to be any RAW superstar vs. SD superstar matches at WM?
Only if they make the MITB=2 match 3 and 3

[Hunter Rider]

SOURCE: The Wrestling Observer

Following her rise to stardom as a contestant on ABC's "Dancing With The Stars," Stacy Keibler's future as a member of WWE's roster is being called into question.

Although Stacy Keibler told Larry King Live that she will return to WWE shortly after the conclusion of the ABC competition, few within the industry believe she will remain with WWE over the long-term.

When it became clear that Stacy Keibler has a promising future outside of WWE, the company's website actually took down all references to her presence on the reality show. Keibler's contract expires soon, and there is absolutely no optimism about her agreeing to a renewal.

WWE.com later decided to resume pushing Stacy Keibler's performance on the show for public relations purposes, but the company's outlook on the Diva's future has not changed.

[The Undertaker]

SOURCE: The Wrestling Observer

Following her rise to stardom as a contestant on ABC's "Dancing With The Stars," Stacy Keibler's future as a member of WWE's roster is being called into question.

Although Stacy Keibler told Larry King Live that she will return to WWE shortly after the conclusion of the ABC competition, few within the industry believe she will remain with WWE over the long-term.

When it became clear that Stacy Keibler has a promising future outside of WWE, the company's website actually took down all references to her presence on the reality show. Keibler's contract expires soon, and there is absolutely no optimism about her agreeing to a renewal.

WWE.com later decided to resume pushing Stacy Keibler's performance on the show for public relations purposes, but the company's outlook on the Diva's future has not changed.

Good for her. The whole Diva scene is WWE is a mess and will always seem to be a mess and it's not like she's a loss wrestling wise either.

The sky is the limit Stacy.

[3dman27]

stacey in tna would that work?

[White_Howling]

stacey in tna would that work?


she wouldn't get paid as much...

i dont' see it working.... unless shes brings back the... handcock (sp?) persona

[Hunter Rider]

http://rapidshare.de/files/13890138/20060217_Minoru_Suzuki_SUWA_vs_Jun_Akiyama_Kentaro _Shiga.rm.html (http://rapidshare.de/files/13890138/20060217_Minoru_Suzuki_SUWA_vs_Jun_Akiyama_Kentaro _Shiga.rm.html)

Tag main event from NOAH's recent Budokahn show featuring current GHC heavyweight tag champion Jun Akiyama

[Capt Throbberson]

stacey in tna would that work?
If she's moving beyond wrestling, I highly doubt she's just go to another promotion

[Sarge 2.0]

stacey in tna would that work?I think the point is Stacey might be moving beyond pro wrestling.

[NDX]

Credit: PWInsider.com

There are no longer plans for Homicide to proceed with surgery on his injured shoulder. Homicide has been continuing with his intensive rehabilitation for the last 5-6 weeks. He injured his shoulder prior to his TNA debut at a Ring of Honor show in New York City last December.

This is good, he'll still be able to work the Mar. 25th UXW show.

I don't even want to think about the MITB match, just not something I want to see again.

[NDX]

From WWE.com:

After further medical consultation, it was decided that due to the spiral crack in her left fibula, Ashley would need surgery. The 2005 RAW Diva Search winner underwent successful surgery to have a plate placed in her leg and is already on the road to recovery. Ashley is out of surgery but will be in a cast for four weeks. After getting out of the cast, she will require four weeks of rehabilitation.

She suffered the spiral fracture of the left fibula while competing in the Diva Battle Royal on RAW Monday night to determine a No. 1 Contender for the Women’s Championship. She was one of the final two Divas eliminated when Candice pushed her and Mickie James over the top rope. Ashley landed awkwardly on her leg causing the break.

[Sarge 2.0]

Ashley really looks like she's been improving lately, I'm glad the surgery went well. :up:

[Pink Ranger]

SOURCE: The Wrestling Observer

Following her rise to stardom as a contestant on ABC's "Dancing With The Stars," Stacy Keibler's future as a member of WWE's roster is being called into question.

Although Stacy Keibler told Larry King Live that she will return to WWE shortly after the conclusion of the ABC competition, few within the industry believe she will remain with WWE over the long-term.

When it became clear that Stacy Keibler has a promising future outside of WWE, the company's website actually took down all references to her presence on the reality show. Keibler's contract expires soon, and there is absolutely no optimism about her agreeing to a renewal.

WWE.com later decided to resume pushing Stacy Keibler's performance on the show for public relations purposes, but the company's outlook on the Diva's future has not changed.

In that case, I hope Stacey wins DWTS. Not that I won't miss her in WWE, but I want her out of that business and into something better before she joins the ranks of effed-up ex-valets like Elizabeth, Debra, Sunny and Joanie Laurer.

[Mister J]

I figured Stacy to leave afterwards. She's getting alot of attention because of the show. Plus, it doesn't hurt that she's extremely hot. I din't know what specific ventures she could go. The only time I've noticed Kelly Monaco since she won were a Maxim shoot and when she wsa complaining (jealous of) about Stacy. I'm sure somebody will push something her way. Besides, it's not as WWE has her doing anything other than walking around.

[Sarge 2.0]

From WWE.com:

Wicks, Tolland released
February 22, 2006


WWE has come to terms on the release of both Chad Wicks and John Tolland who wrestled as “The *****.” We wish them the best in all future endeavors.Not that I'm sad or anything, but WWE seems to be on a low carder/jobber firing binge lately. Especially since the ***** debuted only a few months ago.

[Eric Draven]

The ***** looked like a decent enough tag team. The problem was they were a team called the ***** :rolleyes:


Although it could've been worse. They could've put the two in flesh-colored body-suits head to toe like the Gymini in TNA ;)

[Mister J]

You think they would be trying to foster tag teams instead of showing them the door after only a short while.

Meanwhile, Simon Dean and Tyson Tomko still have jobs.

[Eric Draven]

I kind of like Simon Dean. He's a pretty funny-character and makes a great jobber to the stars. And I hear that he was supposedly a great wrestler in ECW.....

[Mister J]

I don't doubt that Dean is talented, but they haven't done anything with him. He jobs occasionally and gets clowned for his Simon System stuff. Now, he's supposed to be a manager. I don't get it. For the longest, I thought he was hurt and unable to compete. They apparently just don't have anything for him. That's more of the reason why I'm surprised he still has a job.

[Sarge 2.0]

I kind of like Simon Dean. He's a pretty funny-character and makes a great jobber to the stars. And I hear that he was supposedly a great wrestler in ECW.....He invented more moves in ECW than most people do in their entire career. It's sad that he's a ridiculously gimmicky jobber now. :(

[The Ghoul]

You think they would be trying to foster tag teams instead of showing them the door after only a short while.

Meanwhile, Simon Dean and Tyson Tomko still have jobs.

Totally agree with D1cks comment. They looked as if they were going to at least trying to build their lower/mid-card titles on SD! The CW title is slowley but surley picking up steam. & what else can I say, but MNM are having the best matches every Tues.. err... I mean Friday. Is anyone surprised that the HeartThrobs & The D1cks flopped? It's because the Homoerotic/Sexy-guy/Male Stripper gimmick is dead. & Too Much killed it (pre-2 Cool tag-team, So obscure & lame that they fired them & completley re-invented them to the great mark of the Atitude era they became) A good idea for the D1cks is instead of strippers, Make them *****. if you have to gimmick them up the make them Frat-Boys ( not literal Frat-Boys but college *********s) People who are so vapid & shallow with polo shirts, Khakis, trucker cap, They can play Hacki-sack baackstage, make their music something like HelloGoodbye or Yellowcard (something gay like that). & their Kayfabe heat can be people going "Man, those guys are *****."

As for The latter, Yes, Tomko sucks major hairy balls. But Nova has done so much From his fitness gimmick in the early ninties, To being one of the founding members of 2 of the biggest stables in ECW (bWo, & J.O.B. Squad both of which transfered to the WWE at one point or another) I wish Simon Dean gets some form a heel push or Bring in Stevie (who has no tbeen released just at home not being used in anyway. Which is awful) & tag with Nova (even if Meanie isn't around they can still tag them in a new form It would just be great to see them together)

[Eklypze]

wait lemme get this right dean is nova?!?! i cant belive i didnt realize this sooner i feel like such a ****ing idiot

[Sabretooth]

I'm suprised Doug and Danny Basham still have jobs. Ever since they split up,have they even showed up on Raw or Smackdown? :confused:

[Sarge 2.0]

I'm suprised Doug and Danny Basham still have jobs. Ever since they split up,have they even showed up on Raw or Smackdown? :confused:My crystal ball predicts that they're next on the list. There's absolutely nothing I can think of that would put the Basham's to use.

[Eric Draven]

One of the Bashams is on Velocity with a Rob Conway-type gimmick. The other Basham is developing this kinda supernatural (or something like that) gimmick that he had before in OVW....

[Hunter Rider]

There apparently is set to be a number of cuts,names mentioned are Val Venis,Viscera,Snitzky,Conway,Dupree and Scotty 2 Hotty

[Sarge 2.0]

One of the Bashams is on Velocity with a Rob Conway-type gimmick. The other Basham is developing this kinda supernatural (or something like that) gimmick that he had before in OVW....Supernatural? I think Boogeyman and (sometimes) Taker are enough with the supernatural. And Boogey pushes it sometimes. Speaking of Conway, where the **** has that guy been?

[Sarge 2.0]

There apparently is set to be a number of cuts,names mentioned are Val Venis,Viscera,Snitzky,Conway,Dupree and Scotty 2 HottyYeah, I knew that every single one of these guys would get the axe sooner or later. Scotty I'm a little suprised with, though. Last Smackdown it almost looked like he would make a comeback. For whatever reason, he's still crazy over.

[Sabretooth]

My crystal ball predicts that they're next on the list. There's absolutely nothing I can think of that would put the Basham's to use.
They seem to be a pretty good tag team. It's just that someone,either themselves or WWE,is feeding them these stupid gimmick changes and none of them seem to work.

[The Ghoul]

edit: slow post

Besides, Venis, Scotty & Vis I'm happy with the cuts. But only if they give Scotty the CW belt & move the other two to SD! & build their Playboy tag team SERIOUSLY.

[Eric Draven]

Yeah, goth gimmick, not supernatural. My mistake. I know he used to be known as Damaja, but that was about it :confused: :(

[Hunter Rider]

http://www.4w-forums.com/images/wrestlemania22.jpg

This is supposed to be the poster for WM22:confused:

[Sabretooth]

Yeah, I knew that every single one of these guys would get the axe sooner or later. Scotty I'm a little suprised with, though. Last Smackdown it almost looked like he would make a comeback. For whatever reason, he's still crazy over.
I think people were just happy to see Gregory Helms get his ass kicked. But,some fans do cheer Cena.....

[Eric Draven]

There apparently is set to be a number of cuts,names mentioned are Val Venis,Viscera,Snitzky,Conway,Dupree and Scotty 2 Hotty

Boo in Venis because he's a decent enough performer who can get a good match out of anybody.

And I really thought Conway and Dupree would be good midcarders as well :(

[Sarge 2.0]

I think people were just happy to see Gregory Helms get his ass kicked. But,some fans do cheer Cena.....People were dancing to his music in the crowd and everything. As soon as it hit, everyone went nuts. Then when did the Worm after the other CW's beat up Helms, everyone went nuts again.

[Sabretooth]

Didn't Dupree get badly injured a while ago? I swear I remember some site saying his career may be over. Which would suck,because with a few years more experience he would do well in the US or IC hunt.

[Eric Draven]

Didn't Dupree get badly injured a while ago? I swear I remember some site saying his career may be over. Which would suck,because with a few years more experience he would do well in the US or IC hunt.

I heard that he was wrestling again in OVW, and that he was a bit thinner....:confused:

[DOG LIPS]

http://www.4w-forums.com/images/wrestlemania22.jpg

This is supposed to be the poster for WM22:confused:
:confused: :confused: :(

[Sarge 2.0]

http://www.4w-forums.com/images/wrestlemania22.jpg

This is supposed to be the poster for WM22:confused:I'm...I'm not entirely sure what to make of that. :(

[The Ghoul]

Boo in Venis because he's a decent enough performer who can get a good match out of anybody.

And I really thought Conway and Dupree would be good midcarders as well :(

Conway didn't realise that Sexy-guy gimmicks are dead & Dupree let his American accent slip out on his promo when he was first moved to Raw

http://www.4w-forums.com/images/wrestlemania22.jpg

I'm not sure why THAT picture. wasn't that match like 2 years ago?

[Hunter Rider]

Boo in Venis because he's a decent enough performer who can get a good match out of anybody.

And I really thought Conway and Dupree would be good midcarders as well :(

Yep Venis has been unlucky in his career that he has never gotten the push to match his talent

I think Dupree is pretty unpopular in the lockeroom

[Mister J]

I never understood why they never gave Val a full run. They always just hinted at it and then dropped it.

[Sarge 2.0]

Conway didn't realise that Sexy-guy gimmicks are dead Neither does Sylvan apparently.

[Hunter Rider]

I'm...I'm not entirely sure what to make of that. :(

Im thinking it's gotta be a fake,the pic i posted in here of HHH and Cena from RAW would make a better poster and would actually advertise a match from the card

[The Ghoul]

Neither does Sylvan apparently.

yeah, but instead of just a faggy sexy-dude, Sylvan is a super-model which if they emphisize that aspect more, he could get some good heat.

[Sarge 2.0]

yeah, but instead of just a faggy sexy-dude, Sylvan is a super-model which if they emphisize that aspect more, he could get some good heat.Yeah, but I don't think he'll ever get any real, strong heat. I predict Sylvan being lowcard for life. WWE should just realise that HBK is the only one who can pull off "Sexy boy" gimmicks any more.

[Pink Ranger]

I figured Stacy to leave afterwards. She's getting alot of attention because of the show. Plus, it doesn't hurt that she's extremely hot. I din't know what specific ventures she could go. The only time I've noticed Kelly Monaco since she won were a Maxim shoot and when she wsa complaining (jealous of) about Stacy. I'm sure somebody will push something her way. Besides, it's not as WWE has her doing anything other than walking around.

Unlike Kelly Monaco, Stacey might be good enough to ballroom dance for real at the competitive or exhibition level. One of the judges already said so, and (don't laugh) I've watched competitive ballroom myself before DWTS, so she has a shot. Stacey's still in her 20s, and apparently even Edita (one of the professional coaches on the show) started dancing fairly late in her life.

[Mister J]

Unlike Kelly Monaco, Stacey might be good enough to ballroom dance for real at the competitive or exhibition level. One of the judges already said so, and (don't laugh) I've watched competitive ballroom myself before DWTS, so she has a shot. Stacey's still in her 20s, and apparently even Edita (one of the professional coaches on the show) started dancing fairly late in her life.

I was imagining something along the lines of movies or TV, but...OK.

I know she has a dance background, I wonder if that's an avenue she would pursue.

[The Ghoul]

Yeah, but I don't think he'll ever get any real, strong heat. I predict Sylvan being lowcard for life. WWE should just realise that HBK is the only one who can pull off "Sexy boy" gimmicks any more.

Yeah but when they began his fued with Hardcore Holly, I had an idea Like have him go in & do a photo shoot in the ring. & get interupted by Hardcore Holly to say that this makes the business he loves, into a big gay bar. kick the **** out of him & bust him open with the camara & have sylvaan say he lost all his catolog deals because of Holly.

[Sarge 2.0]

Yeah but when they began his fued with Hardcore Holly, I had an idea Like have him go in & do a photo shoot in the ring. & get interupted by Hardcore Holly to say that this makes the business he loves, into a big gay bar. kick the **** out of him & bust him open with the camara & have sylvaan say he lost all his catolog deals because of Holly.Has Holly been on Velocity lately? Besides, I dunno if that's such a good idea, Holly might work him stiff, and send him to the hospital. :o

[The Ghoul]

Has Holly been on Velocity lately? Besides, I dunno if that's such a good idea, Holly might work him stiff, and send him to the hospital. :o

no he hasn't but again i thought of that idea in October when they started a fued that went no where... at all just 2 awesome hardcore matches & that's it.

[Sarge 2.0]

no he hasn't but again i thought of that idea in October when they started a fued that went no where... at all just 2 awesome hardcore matches & that's it.Well, if all these cuts really happen, Holly might be out of opponents, and Velocity might be out of a roster. :o

Speaking of lowcarding and jobber shows, why was Kane on Heat? :confused:

[Mister J]

Speaking of lowcarding and jobber shows, why was Kane on Heat? :confused:

That's just wrong. This guy is misused so badly it's pathetic.

[Sarge 2.0]

That's just wrong. This guy is misused so badly it's pathetic.He doesn't even defend the damn tag titles with Show...I guess WWE can't think of anything for him that doesn't involve some hoss or Taker. :(

[Mister J]

He doesn't even defend the damn tag titles with Show...I guess WWE can't think of anything for him that doesn't involve some hoss or Taker. :(

How long have they been building him as a monster and with no show? Kane's always the 'punishment' when the GM is pissed at someone, yet he can't even get a whiff of a title shot. It makes no sense.

[The Ghoul]

Plus with a movie coming out in 3 months, they could bill him as a seriously violent torturer (no killing in WWE... unless its credibility or morale) & promote him as being just as violent & scary as his movie

[Sarge 2.0]

They've been doing that...but getting *****ed by the likes of Chris Masters hurts the credibility of a monster. :(

[Sabretooth]

That's just wrong. This guy is misused so badly it's pathetic.
I think his time for the World Heavyweight or WWE title may come pretty soon. As stupid as alot of his angles have been,Kane has been entirely loyal to WWE and has done his job. Vince also rewards loyalty,like giving guys like JBL,Edge,and Angle pushes in the main event. Hopefully his second reign will last MUCH longer than one single damn day this time. :mad:

[Sabretooth]

They've been doing that...but getting *****ed by the likes of Chris Masters hurts the credibility of a monster. :(
Ugh,I think being a credible monster pretty much went out the window after he cut a mouthpiece in his mask,where his career automatically went downhill.:(

[Mister J]

I think his time for the World Heavyweight or WWE title may come pretty soon. As stupid as alot of his angles have been,Kane has been entirely loyal to WWE and has done his job. Vince also rewards loyalty,like giving guys like JBL,Edge,and Angle pushes in the main event. Hopefully his second reign will last MUCH longer than one single damn day this time. :mad:

Oh, he's been loyal. Maybe he'll get his run when Trips has to go be Daddy Game. Of course, that assumes H beats Cena at WM. We all know that's a long shot.;)

[Sarge 2.0]

I think they need to make Kane a big draw first. And to do that, he needs to mess up some main eventers. Really, really mess them up. With no rhyme or reason, so you wouldn't know what or why he was going to do something violent next. My first pick for his hit list should be pretty obvious. ;)

[Mr. Socko]

Triple H has a good life. Gets to bang Steph and headlines one of the main events at Mania every year :o

[The Ghoul]

Ugh,I think being a credible monster pretty much went out the window after he cut a mouthpiece in his mask,where his career automatically went downhill.:(

I aam going to agree with you to a certain extent. Did his carreer dwiindle after he cut out a mouth whole, Yes. But i don't think it was the cause. It was just the **** of the luck. Kane can cut a pretty good promo His laugh is pretty much his catchphrase. (It's better than "I'm Back" or "Su-Uh-ock It!")

[Eklypze]

ive always marked out for Kane every since he debuted (as kane) and it makes me so sad how they do him nowadays cuz he really is a good wrestler

[Sabretooth]

I aam going to agree with you to a certain extent. Did his carreer dwiindle after he cut out a mouth whole, Yes. But i don't think it was the cause. It was just the **** of the luck. Kane can cut a pretty good promo His laugh is pretty much his catchphrase. (It's better than "I'm Back" or "Su-Uh-ock It!")
I know it's not the reason. I was just saying that his career seemed to go downhill after his mouth became visible.


I like the idea of him attacking main eventers,and scaring the **** out of guys like Edge and Cena and even HHH (which I doubt would ever happen) *sigh* :(

[The Apatow Crew]

JBL Injured. Needs Surgery

WWE's website reported that JBL would be undergoing hand surgery tomorrow morning, stemming from an injury that occurred in the Smackdown main event when it was taped Tuesday evening in Virginia

PWInsider

The WWE no longer have *****

Wicks, Tolland released
February 22, 2006

WWE has come to terms on the release of both Chad Wicks and John Tolland who wrestled as “The *****.” We wish them the best in all future endeavors.

[The Apatow Crew]

IS EDDIE GUERRERO STILL ALIVE?

[B][FONT=Arial]IS EDDIE GUERRERO STILL ALIVE?
By Kenny Casanova from www.KennyCasanova.com (http://www.kennycasanova.com/)
k9casanova@aol.com[SIZE=3]

http://members.aol.com/k9casanova/


Ok… Now some people will want to beat me for saying this, but I find myself asking a question that isn’t appropriate in any light. However, it feels like WWE is booking something that doesn’t seem possible and I have found myself asking myself a silly question whenever I turn on WWE. …Is Eddie Guerrero still alive?

My feeling is other people have suspected this, but no one has the pistachios to come out and say it. So here I go; Eddie Guerrero’s death could all be a big super smart angle for a return at Wrestlemania.

My brother-in-law is not a wrestling fan, but comes over to eat wings when we get PPVs. He saw some of what was going on with Rey Mysterio and wanted to know if Eddie was still alive. Whether fans want to say it or not, recent WWE storylines are making it seem like Eddie Guerrero’s death HAS BEEN BOOKED BY A PROMOTER.

Why would Vince McMahon want to go there? Why would a global megalithic corporation like WWE want to fake the death of one of its superstar performers, risking the possible backlash that would occur from worldwide media and its fans? SIMPLE… WWE figured out this formula a long time ago…Bad publicity is good publicity.

In a day when it is impossible to fool the fans due to the widely used lighting quick communication resource called the Internet, the WWE knows that “strategic leaks” are the only way you can really throw off the modern wrestling fan and subsequently create interest. Recent examples of this have shown that there is money to be made from false leaks if it is done correctly.

The Edge & Hardy scandal was amplified, exploited and leaked, then turned into a moneymaker (though it was too bad Matt Hardy botched his return promo)… Chris Jericho puts up a TNA logo on his site to keep interest on him. Go back a few years and you will see other examples. Brian Pillman convinced WCW to break his contract so his crazy gimmick looked legit to anyone who might do the research (only to jump to WWF.) Vince Russo drops false rumors on the Internet to throw fans off to create more shock when storylines go the other way. Austin amplifies his hatred toward Eric Bischoff in an ECW stint to get sympathy from the crowd and to push the envelope of boss-hating.

Good wrestling promoters have a history of twisting the truth to make the most believable storylines going (i.e. Road Warrior Hawk drunk angle, Bret got screwed angle, N.W.O. and other various invasion plots etc…) The promoters even work the wrestlers to get the leaks that they want these days and visa-versa.

There is so much foreshadowing going on that makes me think WWE is planning an “Eddie Return.” I know that odds of this are slim, and that this blog will be looked at as a big conspiracy theory. I agree with you and it is wrong to say it. But it would be even more wrong if they did it. What if Eddie’s death was a work? If it is, it is the greatest and, at the same time, the rudest work of all time.

I have asked a number of people in the business what they think about this and they say all about the same thing. “You are crazy,” or “I think that would be too F’ed up,” but after I drop a few little bombs on them that have made me wonder, they have wondered too.

The last time Eddie was on television, Ken Kennedy had hit him in the head with a chair. After the match, there was a promo with Batista. His head was all bandaged up and Batista was concerned. The last words Eddie said were, “Don’t worry about me, I am going to be alright.” This footage might be revisited if this is a big rude angle.

At the Eddie Guerrero Press Conference, Vince McMahon and Chavo Guerrero seemed to me to have too much composure. At the time when I watched it, I figured to myself, “Wow, Chavo is doing such a great job.” He didn’t seem sad and I figured if it were me, I would have been bawling my eyes out. I wondered why at the time and then resolved that it must just be he knew this day would eventually come, or maybe they were not as close as he had always told everyone. I look back now and wonder if this is a work, did Chavo think it wasn’t going to work.

Either there was and still is a lot of bad taste going on, or Eddie is still alive. Vince McMahon is a bastard, but grilling Eddie’s wife Vickie, a day or so after his death on live TV?!? How does someone even approach the option? How can you ask a widow to appear on TV when her husband isn’t even in the ground yet? Does WWE have no respect for dead people and mourning? Or did Vickie just get off the phone with a clean-shaven bald-headed Eddie Guerrero who is camping out in Jamaica?

Well if Eddie is alive and hiding out, how could this secret have lasted for four months? My guess is, if this is a work, the lockerroom could still be partially kayfabed to cut down possible leaks. And moreover, Eddie is probably just camping out, or maybe getting some kind of surgery somewhere and is indeed out of the public eye.

The WWE Raw & Smackdown Tribute shows seemed to contrived. While some of the wrestlers seemed very upset and concerned, others seemed like they needed to play to the camera. Now it is impossible to speculate (if this is a work) who knew and who did not know at the time of these shows. It is possible that only a tight group of people actually know the truth and might not have known the truth at the time of filming. I would suspect some (like Benoit) were informed immediately after the shooting with Eddie calling them. But even at that, Rey Mysterio did not seem moved at all. Mysterio taking off his mask seemed like the cliché “let’s make this look real” thing to do.

The tribute shows had a tinge of bull**** to them. The commentators on both shows said, “Eddie would have wanted this,” about a hundred times to validate what seemed like a moneymaker. This could be foreshadowing Vince blaming a return angle on Eddie, to keep the heat off of him in the future.

It is fact that most wrestlers have never been great actors, and the few who are have usually moved on to bigger and better the things. At the tribute shows, there was definitely a vibe of bad acting going on, which to me smells like a work. But were the wrestlers working the fans due to a future storyline, or because they felt obligated to be teary-eyed and were not?

One theory on the bad-acting vibe is maybe the wrestlers thought that they should be crying but were not, so they tried to. Seemed like some of the wrestlers were forcing themselves to cry because they thought that is what they should do in this situation, but the tears just were not turning on …It is possible that forced tears is the product of a desensitization to wrestler deaths –seeing how there have been so many. HOWEVER, forced tears could also be the product of the bad acting that goes along with another storyline.

I am sure that WWE knows how big the next-night ratings were when Pillman passed away and also Owen Hart. But they never had TWO tribute shows, due to a death in the family, nor has any death lasted as long with so much TV time and recognition as this one has.

WWE has referenced Eddie’s death NUMEROUS times every single show. It has continuously reminded the fans by armbands on Chavo (on Raw) and Rey Mysterio (on Smackdown) that Eddie Guerrero is no longer with us. Either this is a super sign of respect for the dead and the WWE has finally got it and learned that life is valuable and we should not forget, or (gulp) …it means something else, something I hate to even think of.

[Mister J]

I'm going to pretend I didn't even see that.

[Eric Draven]

I have to admit, I got a really good laugh out of that....

[The Apatow Crew]

I'm going to pretend I didn't even see that.yes i know its messed up but i gotta show oh damn stupid people are. sorry if anyone was offened. what a doofus that guy is.

[citizenpain]

yeah, eddie guerrero is alive. he's playin poker with owen hart and the texas tornado right now.

[The Batman]

regarding kane, hes damaged goods. i doubt he'll ever win the WHC or WWE title. He's 39, and the wwe have made him look weak, compared to Taker, whos managed to beat some of the all time greats. Kane needs to beat main eventers, get over, and reestablish himself as a dangerous mofo

[The Techno Bat]

regarding kane, hes damaged goods. i doubt he'll ever win the WHC or WWE title. He's 39, and the wwe have made him look weak, compared to Taker, whos managed to beat some of the all time greats. Kane needs to beat main eventers, get over, and reestablish himself as a dangerous mofo

I agree with this, I don't think Kane will be wearing that World Title strap again. He seems to be stepping backwards with his wwe career whether it is his choice or not. If they are going to make Kane the guy to put over guys like Masters, Carlito, Murdoch, etc. then I think Kane should move on from the WWE, retire or try to move over to Smackdown or something....

[The Batman]

I agree with this, I don't think Kane will be wearing that World Title strap again. He seems to be stepping backwards with his wwe career whether it is his choice or not. If they are going to make Kane the guy to put over guys like Masters, Carlito, Murdoch, etc. then I think Kane should move on from the WWE, retire or try to move over to Smackdown or something....


i think, imo, part of it is kane's fault.he seems like he'll just do anything they tell him to do, no matter how stupid it is or how much it damages his character. in fact, glen jacobs seems like he was always at the mercy of the WWE.

Kane couldve been awesome, a more unstable version of taker.

[The Techno Bat]

i think, imo, part of it is kane's fault.he seems like he'll just do anything they tell him to do, no matter how stupid it is or how much it damages his character. in fact, glen jacobs seems like he was always at the mercy of the WWE.

Kane couldve been awesome, a more unstable version of taker.

He has done some really dumb and silly stuff for the WWE, I think he was The Black Knight, Dr. Issac Yankem, and I can't remember if he was the fake Diesel or Fake Razor Ramon, but he has done alot of stuff that I would have said "NO" too. Especially that Katie Vick stuff, that was flat out wrong and Dumb...

[Eric Draven]

regarding kane, hes damaged goods. i doubt he'll ever win the WHC or WWE title. He's 39, and the wwe have made him look weak, compared to Taker, whos managed to beat some of the all time greats. Kane needs to beat main eventers, get over, and reestablish himself as a dangerous mofo

Yeah, I think so too. He's just been part of too much stupid **** to salvage his career. Oh sure, he'll get a little push every now and then, but that's only to really enforce his character as nothing more than a "threat" to current and future main eventers.....

[Mister J]

He has done some really dumb and silly stuff for the WWE, I think he was The Black Knight, Dr. Issac Yankem, and I can't remember if he was the fake Diesel or Fake Razor Ramon, but he has done alot of stuff that I would have said "NO" too. Especially that Katie Vick stuff, that was flat out wrong and Dumb...

Fake Diesel.

I'm sorry, I must be one of the few tht thought Trips humping that mannequin or whatever was funny. I nearly cried watching it. I was so stupid, I couldn't help it.

[The Techno Bat]

Yeah, I think so too. He's just been part of too much stupid **** to salvage his career. Oh sure, he'll get a little push every now and then, but that's only to really enforce his character as nothing more than a "threat" to current and future main eventers.....

I think what they should really do with Kane, is allow him and The Big Show to beat MNM @ WM, unify the Tag Team title straps, and totally dominate the tag team division, and go back and forth from Raw to Smackdown defending the tag team belts

[Eric Draven]

Fake Diesel.

I'm sorry, I must be one of the few tht thought Trips humping that mannequin or whatever was funny. I nearly cried watching it. I was so stupid, I couldn't help it.

I literally couldn't watch that segment. It was so cringeworthy and I knew what was coming up. I think the only other time I couldn't watch a WWE segment like that was Vince McMahon's dumbass rectal surgery of JR.

[Mister J]

OK, so you guys are saying that if Kane started going ape*** and Chokeslamming top card guys, left and right, you wouldn't buy it?

Look at the goofy stuff Angle has done, or JBL or even Edge. Come on. Kane just needs some good booking.

[The Techno Bat]

Fake Diesel.

I'm sorry, I must be one of the few tht thought Trips humping that mannequin or whatever was funny. I nearly cried watching it. I was so stupid, I couldn't help it.

Thanks, I thought it was Fake Diesel, do you remember who played Fake Razor?

[The Techno Bat]

OK, so you guys are saying that if Kane started going ape*** and Chokeslamming top card guys, left and right, you wouldn't buy it?

Look at the goofy stuff Angle has done, or JBL or even Edge. Come on. Kane just needs some good booking.

I think Kane should be doing what The Big Show is doing to guys right now, totally destroying them....

[The Batman]

Yeah, I think so too. He's just been part of too much stupid **** to salvage his career. Oh sure, he'll get a little push every now and then, but that's only to really enforce his character as nothing more than a "threat" to current and future main eventers.....

i dont think he minds. like someone mentioned....look at his previous gimmicks. this guy'll just take anything WWE gives him, it seems. You never hear him complain unlike all the other depushed guys

[Eric Draven]

OK, so you guys are saying that if Kane started going ape*** and Chokeslamming top card guys, left and right, you wouldn't buy it?

Look at the goofy stuff Angle has done, or JBL or even Edge. Come on. Kane just needs some good booking.

Not really, because it's been done so many times and each time they ****ed it up. Like when he first returned after his surgery and they were all set to have him be a big main-eventer, they did the Katie Vick angle. Then when they unmasked him, it seemed like they were all set to make him a huge monster again, but all that momentum was destroyed again with that feud with Shane McMahon. Even his first year of rampage was marred a bit because of his one-day title reign and the fact he became a second fiddle to Undertaker after a while.....

[Mister J]

Thanks, I thought it was Fake Diesel, do you remember who played Fake Razor?

Some clown named Rick Bogner. Did mostly Japan and ECW.

[Eric Draven]

i dont think he minds. like someone mentioned....look at his previous gimmicks. this guy'll just take anything WWE gives him, it seems. You never hear him complain unlike all the other depushed guys

Oh yeah, I don't think he minds. He's probably getting paid a lot of money, so I doubt he's complaining. It's a lot like RVD actually. I mean sure he's not getting any push and all that, but he's getting paid a lot of money and he can probably say anything he wants about Triple H and the McMahons without having to worry much about losing his job.....

[The Batman]

OK, so you guys are saying that if Kane started going ape*** and Chokeslamming top card guys, left and right, you wouldn't buy it?

Look at the goofy stuff Angle has done, or JBL or even Edge. Come on. Kane just needs some good booking.


Angle did some stupid stuff, but angles never jobbed to midcarders. hes never been owned by a guy his size and strength everytime he faces off with him like kane does whenever he fights batista. Edge has looked damn good, especially on smackdown in 2002. JBL has gone over on Taker, Booker T, Eddie, and Angle i believe. Who has kane beaten of any importance in the past 3 years?

[The Batman]

Oh yeah, I don't think he minds. He's probably getting paid a lot of money, so I doubt he's complaining. It's a lot like RVD actually. I mean sure he's not getting any push and all that, but he's getting paid a lot of money and he can probably say anything he wants about Triple H and the McMahons without having to worry much about losing his job.....

i wish people were more like christian. he knew he wasnt going anywhere and he left. now, hes got the oldest title in wrestling and dosent even have to travel place to place,and he gets good pops

[Mister J]

Not really, because it's been done so many times and each time they ****ed it up. Like when he first returned after his surgery and they were all set to have him be a big main-eventer, they did the Katie Vick angle. Then when they unmasked him, it seemed like they were all set to make him a huge monster again, but all that momentum was destroyed again with that feud with Shane McMahon. Even his first year of rampage was marred a bit because of his one-day title reign and the fact he became a second fiddle to Undertaker after a while.....

I agree that they have severly dropped the ball on his pushes. I guess I've been waiting for them to cash in on it, so I'm still hopeful. The general audience may feel completely different than I do. Kane still gets decent pops, it might go somewhere. They'd have to actually follow thru though.

[Eric Draven]

i wish people were more like christian. he knew he wasnt going anywhere and he left. now, hes got the oldest title in wrestling and dosent even have to travel place to place,and he gets good pops

Not everybody can get guaranteed the title though. And with RVD, I think he may care more about performing on the larger stage the WWE provides than anything else. That may be so for a lot of wrestlers as well.

Plus, maybe a lot of wrestlers don't really want to burn bridges with the WWE or they could end up getting the ULtimate Warrior treatment....:confused:

[Mister J]

Angle did some stupid stuff, but angles never jobbed to midcarders. hes never been owned by a guy his size and strength everytime he faces off with him like kane does whenever he fights batista. Edge has looked damn good, especially on smackdown in 2002. JBL has gone over on Taker, Booker T, Eddie, and Angle i believe. Who has kane beaten of any importance in the past 3 years?

Crap. I really can't recall anyone of the top of my head, outside of that him burying UT crap (but he got the worst end of that). But they've still put him out there as a credible guy. He did have a couple good runs in the RR (though he never won it).

[The Ghoul]

I agree that they have severly dropped the ball on his pushes. I guess I've been waiting for them to cash in on it, so I'm still hopeful. The general audience may feel completely different than I do. Kane still gets decent pops, it might go somewhere. They'd have to actually follow thru though.

No I'm very hopeful. I maybe an idiot for it, but I definetly see That Glenn Jacobs & the character Kane have what in the business they call "It." I really have a hard time believing that soomeone like that is going to be wasted forever. I feel the same way about RVD, Benoit, Rhino (even in TNA, he's slowly moving down the latter) & Punk (although I understand why he's not there. Apparently he has a lot of heat with big timers, for spouting off during a dark match he did... plus he's a straight-edge emo ***... that's being unbiased because I hate him & what he stands for but I admit when I see a main eventer )

[da creole kid]

Kane's got movie coming out under the WWE Films division!

If the movie is a success, he will be WHT within months of the movies release.

That is why he is going to win the "Money in the Bank" match in Wrestlemania "overcoming" the Carlito and Masters alliance. Him and Big Show will lose the WTT the next night on Raw. And he will have an immediate rivalry with Chris Masters that will occupy his time until his movies come out.

If it is successful, he will when title and hold the belt until the sequel gets scripted. Once sequel is approved he will lose the title in a Hell in Cell or Buried Alive match until so he can star in that sequel.

If the movie isn't, he still could win if the title holder Triple H, but he will lose it to Cena or someone else the next paper-per-view. If Triple H is not the title holder when he cashes in MITB, he will lose.

Kane is going to get a BIG push. And working with Masters in their rivalry might add a submission maneuver to his repetoire.

[The Apatow Crew]

I'm sorry, I must be one of the few tht thought Trips humping that mannequin or whatever was funny. I nearly cried watching it. I was so stupid, I couldn't help it.i know i just thought it was so stupid it was funny. especally after he says "oh my god i screwed your brains out"

[punishermax]

So, its my birthday today, and my birthday wishes are going to be: HHH to go over at WM, and that RVD gets a main event push (He should, he was soooo freakin' over this last week) and that I can convince my mother to pay half of the bill for a Winged Eagle replica belt.

[Mister J]

So, its my birthday today, and my birthday wishes are going to be: HHH to go over at WM, and that RVD gets a main event push (He should, he was soooo freakin' over this last week) and that I can convince my mother to pay half of the bill for a Winged Eagle replica belt.

1. Very likely to happen
2. Ain't gonna happen (wish it did)
3. Well, I don't know anything about your mother, but who turns down their kid on their B-Day. :up:

2 outta 3 ain't bad.

[nite-owl]

Source: WrestlingObserver

Something big as far as an announcement to wrestlers is expected on Monday at the combined Raw & Smackdown tapings in Washington, DC. All wrestlers on the roster, including the guys who haven't been used in a while, have been told they must be at the tapings.

Seems interestings.

[Mister J]

Source: WrestlingObserver


On the road to WrestleMania in Chicago, RVD has an autograph session at Popeye's Chicken in Waukegan from 4:30-6 p.m. on 3/29. Booker T will be at Popeye's Chicken in Round Lake Beach on 3/30 at 4:30-6 p.m. and Chris Benoit will be at Popeye's Chicken in Countryside on 3/31 from 4:30-6 p.m.


WTF? That's just funny. Since when do they hold autograph sessions in greasy chicken shacks.

[Bad Superman]

IS EDDIE GUERRERO STILL ALIVE?

[B][FONT=Arial]IS EDDIE GUERRERO STILL ALIVE?
By Kenny Casanova from www.KennyCasanova.com (http://www.kennycasanova.com/)
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Ok… Now some people will want to beat me for saying this, but I find myself asking a question that isn’t appropriate in any light. However, it feels like WWE is booking something that doesn’t seem possible and I have found myself asking myself a silly question whenever I turn on WWE. …Is Eddie Guerrero still alive?

My feeling is other people have suspected this, but no one has the pistachios to come out and say it. So here I go; Eddie Guerrero’s death could all be a big super smart angle for a return at Wrestlemania.

My brother-in-law is not a wrestling fan, but comes over to eat wings when we get PPVs. He saw some of what was going on with Rey Mysterio and wanted to know if Eddie was still alive. Whether fans want to say it or not, recent WWE storylines are making it seem like Eddie Guerrero’s death HAS BEEN BOOKED BY A PROMOTER.

Why would Vince McMahon want to go there? Why would a global megalithic corporation like WWE want to fake the death of one of its superstar performers, risking the possible backlash that would occur from worldwide media and its fans? SIMPLE… WWE figured out this formula a long time ago…Bad publicity is good publicity.

In a day when it is impossible to fool the fans due to the widely used lighting quick communication resource called the Internet, the WWE knows that “strategic leaks” are the only way you can really throw off the modern wrestling fan and subsequently create interest. Recent examples of this have shown that there is money to be made from false leaks if it is done correctly.

The Edge & Hardy scandal was amplified, exploited and leaked, then turned into a moneymaker (though it was too bad Matt Hardy botched his return promo)… Chris Jericho puts up a TNA logo on his site to keep interest on him. Go back a few years and you will see other examples. Brian Pillman convinced WCW to break his contract so his crazy gimmick looked legit to anyone who might do the research (only to jump to WWF.) Vince Russo drops false rumors on the Internet to throw fans off to create more shock when storylines go the other way. Austin amplifies his hatred toward Eric Bischoff in an ECW stint to get sympathy from the crowd and to push the envelope of boss-hating.

Good wrestling promoters have a history of twisting the truth to make the most believable storylines going (i.e. Road Warrior Hawk drunk angle, Bret got screwed angle, N.W.O. and other various invasion plots etc…) The promoters even work the wrestlers to get the leaks that they want these days and visa-versa.

There is so much foreshadowing going on that makes me think WWE is planning an “Eddie Return.” I know that odds of this are slim, and that this blog will be looked at as a big conspiracy theory. I agree with you and it is wrong to say it. But it would be even more wrong if they did it. What if Eddie’s death was a work? If it is, it is the greatest and, at the same time, the rudest work of all time.

I have asked a number of people in the business what they think about this and they say all about the same thing. “You are crazy,” or “I think that would be too F’ed up,” but after I drop a few little bombs on them that have made me wonder, they have wondered too.

The last time Eddie was on television, Ken Kennedy had hit him in the head with a chair. After the match, there was a promo with Batista. His head was all bandaged up and Batista was concerned. The last words Eddie said were, “Don’t worry about me, I am going to be alright.” This footage might be revisited if this is a big rude angle.

At the Eddie Guerrero Press Conference, Vince McMahon and Chavo Guerrero seemed to me to have too much composure. At the time when I watched it, I figured to myself, “Wow, Chavo is doing such a great job.” He didn’t seem sad and I figured if it were me, I would have been bawling my eyes out. I wondered why at the time and then resolved that it must just be he knew this day would eventually come, or maybe they were not as close as he had always told everyone. I look back now and wonder if this is a work, did Chavo think it wasn’t going to work.

Either there was and still is a lot of bad taste going on, or Eddie is still alive. Vince McMahon is a bastard, but grilling Eddie’s wife Vickie, a day or so after his death on live TV?!? How does someone even approach the option? How can you ask a widow to appear on TV when her husband isn’t even in the ground yet? Does WWE have no respect for dead people and mourning? Or did Vickie just get off the phone with a clean-shaven bald-headed Eddie Guerrero who is camping out in Jamaica?

Well if Eddie is alive and hiding out, how could this secret have lasted for four months? My guess is, if this is a work, the lockerroom could still be partially kayfabed to cut down possible leaks. And moreover, Eddie is probably just camping out, or maybe getting some kind of surgery somewhere and is indeed out of the public eye.

The WWE Raw & Smackdown Tribute shows seemed to contrived. While some of the wrestlers seemed very upset and concerned, others seemed like they needed to play to the camera. Now it is impossible to speculate (if this is a work) who knew and who did not know at the time of these shows. It is possible that only a tight group of people actually know the truth and might not have known the truth at the time of filming. I would suspect some (like Benoit) were informed immediately after the shooting with Eddie calling them. But even at that, Rey Mysterio did not seem moved at all. Mysterio taking off his mask seemed like the cliché “let’s make this look real” thing to do.

The tribute shows had a tinge of bull**** to them. The commentators on both shows said, “Eddie would have wanted this,” about a hundred times to validate what seemed like a moneymaker. This could be foreshadowing Vince blaming a return angle on Eddie, to keep the heat off of him in the future.

It is fact that most wrestlers have never been great actors, and the few who are have usually moved on to bigger and better the things. At the tribute shows, there was definitely a vibe of bad acting going on, which to me smells like a work. But were the wrestlers working the fans due to a future storyline, or because they felt obligated to be teary-eyed and were not?

One theory on the bad-acting vibe is maybe the wrestlers thought that they should be crying but were not, so they tried to. Seemed like some of the wrestlers were forcing themselves to cry because they thought that is what they should do in this situation, but the tears just were not turning on …It is possible that forced tears is the product of a desensitization to wrestler deaths –seeing how there have been so many. HOWEVER, forced tears could also be the product of the bad acting that goes along with another storyline.

I am sure that WWE knows how big the next-night ratings were when Pillman passed away and also Owen Hart. But they never had TWO tribute shows, due to a death in the family, nor has any death lasted as long with so much TV time and recognition as this one has.

WWE has referenced Eddie’s death NUMEROUS times every single show. It has continuously reminded the fans by armbands on Chavo (on Raw) and Rey Mysterio (on Smackdown) that Eddie Guerrero is no longer with us. Either this is a super sign of respect for the dead and the WWE has finally got it and learned that life is valuable and we should not forget, or (gulp) …it means something else, something I hate to even think of.

Wow. . . what next? Eddie sightings? Geez. . . . :rolleyes: :down

[Sarge 2.0]

And since when are wrestlers of their calibre relegated to Popeyes? :confused:

[LastSunrise1981]

I read that Eddie Guerrero deal and that guy is a moron. I know it's his opinion and he has a right to it, however, there's no way the WWE would do this and there's no way Eddie would've agreed to it.

Besides if he was really thinking, doesn't he think that if he were alive somebody would've saw him? It's not like he could've stayed in his house all day and night.

I miss Eddie very much and I'd love for him to be here once more. But the reality of it is that he's gone. :(

And as much of a bastard Vince is, there's no way he would do this either and he would damn well do anything, but certainly not this though because fans would be pissed off and stop attending the shows.

[The Techno Bat]

Some clown named Rick Bogner. Did mostly Japan and ECW.

Thanks

[The Techno Bat]

Source: WrestlingObserver

Something big as far as an announcement to wrestlers is expected on Monday at the combined Raw & Smackdown tapings in Washington, DC. All wrestlers on the roster, including the guys who haven't been used in a while, have been told they must be at the tapings.

Seems interestings.

I wonder if it has anything to do with Saturday Night Main Event returning to NBC in March

[The Techno Bat]

Sticking with the topic of Kane for a bit more does anybody think that he and The Big Show are destined for a split and that they will start a program? Me personally I think they should be ripping up the tag team division as the two monsters they are, as single wrestlers they are great and tough to beat, but as a duo, who could honestly stop them? I don't think there is two legit superstars that could team up and take down Kane & The Big Show in a straight up clean match, are there two superstars on the WWE roster that could? I doubt it...

[LastSunrise1981]

Sticking with the topic of Kane for a bit more does anybody think that he and The Big Show are destined for a split and that they will start a program? Me personally I think they should be ripping up the tag team division as the two monsters they are, as single wrestlers they are great and tough to beat, but as a duo, who could honestly stop them? I don't think there is two legit superstars that could team up and take down Kane & The Big Show in a straight up clean match, are there two superstars on the WWE roster that could? I doubt it...

That's the problem though. The WWE doesn't have enough tag-teams to really feud with Kane or Big Show, and whenever a team is built up, either they release them or they quickly fade into obscurity.

You don't have teams like the Hardy Boyz, Edge and Christian, the Dudleys, Right to Censor, DX, or NAO to feud with other teams or the champions.

The WWE needs to build up a credible tag team division and make it to where fans can take it seriously. Now they just throw two guys together and hope for the best.

[Hunter Rider]

Kane is fairly mediocre in all aspects of wrestling,he is no Vader or Taker and is not nearly the worker or character Show is
If his movie is a hit he will continue doing what he is doing and that is play utility heel/Face in any given situation

[Bad Superman]

That's the problem though. The WWE doesn't have enough tag-teams to really feud with Kane or Big Show, and whenever a team is built up, either they release them or they quickly fade into obscurity.

You don't have teams like the Hardy Boyz, Edge and Christian, the Dudleys, Right to Censor, DX, or NAO to feud with other teams or the champions.

The WWE needs to build up a credible tag team division and make it to where fans can take it seriously. Now they just throw two guys together and hope for the best.

I can't understand why WWE hasn't worked on the tag-team scene. This is one of the most exciting features pro-wrestling had. It was the perfect way to build up new-comers. They began as a tag-team and slowly either both or the most skilled one was built up into a singles competitor up to great champions for example: Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels, Steve Austin, Undertaker and others. I really miss the real tag-team scene in wrestling. It has to be brought back somehow.

On another subject, I wonder what are the chances of Rey Mysterio winning the World Title at Wrestlemania. . . .?

[3dman27]

I read that Eddie Guerrero deal and that guy is a moron. I know it's his opinion and he has a right to it, however, there's no way the WWE would do this and there's no way Eddie would've agreed to it.

Besides if he was really thinking, doesn't he think that if he were alive somebody would've saw him? It's not like he could've stayed in his house all day and night.

I miss Eddie very much and I'd love for him to be here once more. But the reality of it is that he's gone. :(

And as much of a bastard Vince is, there's no way he would do this either and he would damn well do anything, but certainly not this though because fans would be pissed off and stop attending the shows.
besides it's ILLEGAL to submit a fake death report also it would be considered by the feds as attempted tax evasion

[Sarge 2.0]

Kane is fairly mediocre in all aspects of wrestling,he is no Vader or Taker and is not nearly the worker or character Show is
If his movie is a hit he will continue doing what he is doing and that is play utility heel/Face in any given situationI have to disagree with you there, as I believe Kane to be an underrated big man worker. He's got good mobilty and selling, and he has really good presence. His character even started out awesome, but has lost all credibility and coolness due to bad angles.

[Hunter Rider]

I have to disagree with you there, as I believe Kane to be an underrated big man worker. He's got good mobilty and selling, and he has really good presence. His character even started out awesome, but has lost all credibility and coolness due to bad angles.
He's not bad mobility-wise but his offense is basically just Taker's warmed over,in fact his whole routine seem's like a B-grade Taker,compared with the big men greats i don't think he matches up but my main point is that he is never going to be a World title draw in any form
Characters like his are better for blood feuds,even the legendary Andre never held the title due to the fact guys like him are better as secondary atractions and utility guys

[SLYspyder]

i think Kane is going to beat Triple H for the heavyweight title, just in time to promote his movie and in time for HHH to leave to take care of stephanie.

[Sarge 2.0]

He's not bad mobility-wise but his offense is basically just Taker's warmed over,in fact his whole routine seem's like a B-grade Taker,compared with the big men greats i don't think he matches up but my main point is that he is never going to be a World title draw in any form
Characters like his are better for blood feuds,even the legendary Andre never held the title due to the fact guys like him are better as secondary atractions and utility guysI think he's kept Taker's style of offense for so long because they've had the whole brother angle going on. Christian and Edge is probably what should have happened with Kane and Taker.

[The Ghoul]

i think Kane is going to beat Triple H for the heavyweight title, just in time to promote his movie and in time for HHH to leave to take care of stephanie.

I don't think so because that would be smart booking. They'll Probebly put the title back on Cena & move Kane in some blood fueds (as HR stated) to show he is just as violent as his movie... Or have him come out Chokeslam a jobber and say "May 19... See... Nooooooo... EVIL!... HAHAHAHAHA"

[Sarge 2.0]

Anyone else plan on seeing that movie? I mean, come on the tagline is "Someone...is raising...KANE". I'll see it just for the novelty of Big Red on a movie screen.

[Mister J]

They'll definately have some sort of tie-in with Kane's movie. Vince is too much of an attention whore not to. I may go see it. The trailer looked pretty wicked. Plus it's Kane, how funny is that going to be.

As far as Kane's booking, like I said before, he could still go over if the angles were right. For all intents and purposes, this guy should have been buried a long time ago, but the fans still dig him. WWE has never really let him be the monster they build him up to be. He should seriously start destroying people, starting with Masters. Then have a cross-promotional MITB at Mania and have him kick major booty. Of course, that won't happen. They're gonna book Masters/Kane at 'Mania and have Kane break the Master Lock there.

Oooooohhh, aaaaahhhhhhh.

Stupid transparent booking.

[Sarge 2.0]

I hope See No Evil ends up like Santa's Slay. "Santa" spears someone, military presses someone, says "Who's next!?" and has ominous music that sounds suspiscously like "Goooldberrg". :o

[Sabretooth]

i dont think he minds. like someone mentioned....look at his previous gimmicks. this guy'll just take anything WWE gives him, it seems. You never hear him complain unlike all the other depushed guys
I don't think he has much say as to where his character goes compared to someone like Undertaker. He hasn't nearly been around long enough to tell the bookers what's what,and even if he did,they would fire his ass. He isn't going anywhere at the moment,what would keep them back from releasing him?

And about being in stupid angles,every single wrestler has had good moments and just as many bad. The Undertaker has had some crappers like his feud with Gonzales and the urn becoming a necklace,for example.

[The Ghoul]

the movie doesnt actually look that bad from the trailer. Plus this one is being released & is catching internet buzz. I heard Cena's movie got canned, so to have the unutilized Kane is getting a deacent nod from non wrestling related sources. & Superhomie can't even get his gay punisher rip off made says a lot about how serious Vince is taking WWE films... I heard there were talks about a Show/Angle buddy-cop movie. whiich sounds awesome because Show and Angle are real funny & could easily crossover.

[Mister J]

God, I thought I was one of like, 12 people to see Santa's Slay.

Kane's gotta set something on fire and as it blows up, he does that thing with his arms. I'm sure we'll see that wacky/goofy smile of his as somebody's being hurt. Really, I'm holding out hope that he can't speak in the beginning of the movie and has to use a voicebox. Then, about midway thru, he can inexplicably develop coherent speech without it. Now, that's good movie. :up:

Anybody here anything as of late about Austin's movie, The Condemned?

[Sarge 2.0]

I'll be happy if the only reference is a throat thrust or a chokeslam or something. :o

[Mister J]

I'll be happy if the only reference is a throat thrust or a chokeslam or something. :o

Seeing how The Rock has given several people the Rock Bottom on TV/film, I'd say a chokeslam or two is a go.

[Hunter Rider]

I really hope Kane and Show arent put in the MITB match however we don't know it will be a ladder match this time

[Sabretooth]

While we're on the subject of superstars in movies,who could forget Big Show in Waterboy? :D

''Powerbomb....courtesy of Captain Insano.''

[The Ghoul]

But it isn't nesessary,90% if not 100% of the audience will know who he is the whole time. Moviie goers want to see the serial killer not kane

[Sabretooth]

I really hope Kane and Show arent put in the MITB match however we don't know it will be a ladder match this time
I heard they were going to be in a title unification match with MNM. If that's true I hope MNM go over with Big Show and Kane splitting or Kane destroying Big Show.

[Mister J]

I heard they were going to be in a title unification match with MNM. If that's true I hope MNM go over with Big Show and Kane splitting or Kane destroying Big Show.

If this does happen and MNM goes over, it better be because Show and Kane turned on each other.

[Hunter Rider]

If this does happen and MNM goes over, it better be because Show and Kane turned on each other.

I would imagine it will be that or interference from Henry but it would be the right desicion given how good MNM are

[Mister J]

No point in having two tag titles when there's no real division anyway.

[da creole kid]

I like to reiterate that Kane is going to get his SERIOUS title push after his movie comes out.

Bad Superman- In your Tag-Team pondering, you are right about Michaels and Hart, but the ratings and other fan interest suffered during their primes.

However, Austin and Undertaker had alot to do with their gimmicks and their identities as single wrestlers. And in the case of Austin, the WWE was much richer and more prosperous because of it.

Anyway to answer why the Tag Team Division is such a mess now.

Prime Example: Cade & Murdoch

Their tag team is modeled of Edge & Christian in which the taller, handsome guy gets first build because he has highest potential for growth. However the key is that you are establishing two individuals who happen to be a team. As opposed to an actual team. The Dudleyz may bring butts to the seats, but the first Dudleyz overpriced T-shirt you buy is last overpriced T-shirt you buy. As oppose to two individuals where you might buy three.

Also it is hard to get anyone guy from the Dudleyz draw attention outside of the ring. With Cade and Murdoch Cade is a archetypical superstar, and Murdoch has such a freak show appearance he had potential that is hard to gauge (call it the Steve Buschemi Factor).

Anyway, their gimmick was solid. Two southern brawlers: one's a technically sound Good Ole Boy; the other, a down and dirty Redneck. However, unlike Edge and Christian, only Murdoch was decent with the mic. He could give good scripted banter, but ask him to ad lib he would fall into the mire (e.g. Edge).

Back in the day, Vince would have gotten a manager with some credibility to put these guys over; someone like Dusty Rhodes. However, managers sure as shootin' don't sell T-shirts, and it is better to allocate managers to potential headliners like what Paul Heyman did for Brock Lesner.

Nowadays, there are only two ways to push guys like Cade & Murdoch. A diva whose got very good mic skills (e.g. Melina of MNM and Trish Stratus of TNA) or another up and comer whose got first rate mic skillz and great character angle (e.g. Kurt Angle when he allied himself with Edge & Christian). That way you sell 4 T-shirts.

I read on Obsessed With Wrestling.com that Michelle McCool was going to be Trevor Murdochs valet, but they couldn't come up with angle to agree on. And I have a sneeking suspicion that she was meant to be Cade & Murdoch's valet but either her mic and/or wrestling skills did not come up to snuff yet. However, they still could have forged on if they allied themselves with Matt Stryker. However, I believe they broke up before Matt Stryker got a chance to establish himself. I believe it was because of Lance Cade's ego. Because as soon as they broke up Trevor Murdoch seem to get a little bit of a push from the organization.

To make long story short, it all comes down optimizing profits. Vince hasn't forgotten what brought him here but his a lot more sophisticated than its ever been and it is more important for the wrestler's themselves to remain committed to their company niches but work amongst themselves to explore the creative aspects of it- just like Stone Cold did.

[Hunter Rider]

Cena vs HHH is gonna run well into Kane's movie release timeframe and beyond then RVD and Edge will be the ones in line for a shot
What they may do is have Kane put into some sort of Phsyco fued with someone in order to promote his movie but it won't get him a world title run

[Hunter Rider]

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Triple H notices two midcarders getting dangerously close to over.
Triple H: HEY KNOCK IT OFF YOU TWO!!