Wrestling

[Capt Throbberson]

Pretty much

[The FallenAngel]

thanks guys,at least he isnt wrestling

hey did HHH say Cena was a crap wrestler and that everyone hated him and Cena agreed ?:confused:Yeah, he did pretty much agree.

[Go Web Go!]

What ? how ?:eek: :(

Involved leading upto WM that is. Inducting Mean Gene into the HOF.

[Sabretooth]

No he said that Triple H was a great wrestler,or something. I was too busy laughing my ass off from Cena getting booed and Triple H chants to really pay attention to what the two said.

[DOG LIPS]

The comment about the pumps alomst seemed unscripted due to Cena's reaction. :D

[Hunter Rider]

LMAOhttp://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif is this supposed to garner sympathy ?"i suck please like me":confused:

[CAGE]

Edit: I'm a doubling fiend!

[Sabretooth]

The comment about the pumps alomst seemed unscripted due to Cena's reaction. :D
I nearly pissed on myself when he said that. Christ did Triple H own him.:D

[CAGE]

Yeah, he did pretty much agree.

Yep he sure, did, major pwing.


IT WAS GOLDEN. http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gifhttp://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon6.gif

[Capt Throbberson]

LMAOhttp://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif is this supposed to garner sympathy ?"i suck please like me":confused:
Cena agreed, then babbled on about everyone doubting him, more "Against all odds" crap

[The FallenAngel]

Yeah, that comment was awesome. Triple H cuts such a badass promo.

[Hunter Rider]

Cena agreed, then babbled on about everyone doubting him, more "Against all odds" crap

I'm hearing the John Williams theme as i type:(

[Sabretooth]

LMAOhttp://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif is this supposed to garner sympathy ?"i suck please like me":confused:
Apparently. Something tells me Triple H was making things up as he went along to get fans to boo him. Pretty unsuccessful,since people chanted ''Triple H'' a couple times. :(

[NDX]

The comment about the pumps alomst seemed unscripted due to Cena's reaction. :D

It really was a well placed line. Made me follow the segment more closely.

[Hunter Rider]

Apparently. Something tells me Triple H was making things up as he went along to get fans to boo him. Pretty unsuccessful,since people chanted ''Triple H'' a couple times. :(

This mania main event is great in a perverse backwards way:o http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif

[The FallenAngel]

Wow, anyone else getting commercials for ROH's debut at the ECW arena? I've gotten two already.

[Sabretooth]

This mania main event is great in a perverse backwards way:o http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif
Definitely. I'd buy WM22 just to hear the fans boo Cena out of the building. As heavy as it was tonight,Cena will be very lucky if he makes it to WM without everyone in the arena booing.

[Go Web Go!]

Yeah. NOW you guys like Triple H. I can't wait to hear the *****ing to start about him as soon as WM ends.

[The FallenAngel]

I'm pretty sure everyone on here has always liked him. I know I always have.

[DOG LIPS]

Yeah. NOW you guys like Triple H. I can't wait to hear the *****ing to start about him as soon as WM ends.
I've always liked H. :confused:

[NDX]

Sorry for such a huge post but here is the new drug policy according to WWE.com:

WORLD WRESTLING ENTERTAINMENT, INC.

2006 SUBSTANCE ABUSE AND DRUG TESTING POLICY
February 27, 2006

1. GENERAL POLICY

The non-medical use and associated abuse of prescription medications and performance enhancing drugs, as well as the use, possession and/or distribution of illegal drugs, by WWE Talent are unacceptable and prohibited by this policy, as is the use of masking agents or diuretics taken to conceal or obscure the use of prohibited drugs.


2. NON-MEDICAL USE

For purposes of this Policy, the phrase “non-medical use” shall mean use of a drug by a WWE Talent for other than a legitimate medical purpose pursuant to a valid prescription from a licensed and treating physician. Prescriptions obtained over the internet and/or from suppliers of prescription drugs from the internet shall not be considered to have been given for a legitimate medical purpose.


3. LIST OF PROHIBITED DRUGS

A. Performance Enhancing Drugs

(1) Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS): The non-medical use of anabolic androgenic steroids, which include and are based on the natural steroid Testosterone, is prohibited.

The list of prohibited AAS includes, but is not limited to, those on the list below as well as related compounds.

▪ androstenediol
▪ androstendione
▪ bolasterone
▪ boldenone
▪ chloroxomesterone (dehydrochlormethyltestosterone)
▪ clostebol
▪ dihydroepiandosterone
▪ dihydrotestosterone
▪ dromostanolone
▪ epitestosterone
▪ 4-chlortestosterone
▪ fluoxymesterone
▪ formebolone
▪ furazabol
▪ mesterolone
▪ methandienone (methandrostenolone)
▪ methandriol
▪ methenolone
▪ methylclostebol
▪ methyltestosterone
▪ methyltrienolone
▪ mibolerone
▪ nandrolone
▪ norandrostenediol
▪ norandrostenedione
▪ norethandrolone
▪ norethindrone
▪ oxabolone
▪ oxandrolone
▪ oxymesterone
▪ oxymetholone
▪ stanozolol
▪ stenbolone
▪ testosterone
▪ trenbolone

(2) Peptide Hormones and Analogues: The non-medical use of Human Growth Hormone (hGH), Human Chorionic Gonadotropin ((hCG), Luetenizing Hormone (LH) and Insulin-like Growth Factor (IGF-1) is prohibited.

(3) Clenbuterol, used as an anti-catabolic drug or beta-2 agonist or for any other purpose, is prohibited.

B. Other Prohibited Drugs

(1) Stimulants. The non-medical use of amphetamine, methamphetamine, Ecstacy (MDMA), Eve (MDEA), MDA, PMA, Phentermine, Ephedrine class and other amphetamine derivatives and related compounds is prohibited.

(2) Narcotic Analgesics. The non-medical use of drugs belonging to this class, including, but not limited to, heroin, morphine and/or its chemical and pharmacological analogs and related compounds, is prohibited. Additionally, codeine and codeine based combinations, including those available over the counter in some countries, are considered prohibited drugs if used for a non-medical purpose.

(3) Benzodiazepines. The non-medical use of drugs belonging to this class, including, but not limited to, Alpha-hydroxy-alprazolam (Xanax), Lorazepam (Ativan), Nordiazepam (Valium), Oxazepam (Serax), Temazepam (Restoril) and/or chemical and pharmacological analogs and related components is prohibited.

(4) Barbiturates. The non-medical use of drugs belonging to this class, including, but not limited to, Amobarbital (Amytal), Butabarbital (Butisol), Butalbital (Anolor 300, Esgic, Fioricet, Fiorinal), Phenobarbital (Luminol, Solfoton), Pentobarbital (Nembutal, Nembutal Sodium), Secobarbital (Seconal) and/or chemical and pharmacological analogs and related components is prohibited.

(5) Diuretics. The non-medical use of diuretics, including, but not limited to, those on the list below as well as related compounds, is prohibited.

▪ acetozolomide
▪ amiloride
▪ bendroflumethiazide
▪ benzthiazide
▪ bumetanide
▪ canrenone
▪ chlormerodrin
▪ chlorthalidone
▪ diclophenamide
▪ ethacrynic acid
▪ furosemide
▪ hydrochlorothiazide
▪ mersalyl
▪ spironolactone
▪ triamterene

(6) Prescription drugs. WWE recognizes that there are many prescription and over-the-counter medications that serve essential or beneficial purposes for the health and well being of WWE Talent, and nothing in this Policy is intended to discourage the proper use of these medications. Conversely, there are some medications that, even when used properly, may affect safety or health and also medications which can be abused and affect safety and health. Accordingly, the following uses are prohibited regarding prescription and over-the-counter medications.

(a) The use of such a medication in a manner which is inconsistent with the instructions provided by the prescribing physician.

(b) The use of such a medication so as to cause an increased risk to health, safety or an impairment of ability to perform duties on the day of a WWE Event.

(c) The use of prescription drugs taken without a proper prescription given for a legitimate medical purpose by the personal physician of the person tested.

(d) The use of prescription drugs obtained from a physician who was not advised that another physician was prescribing the same and/or similar drug(s).

(7) Illegal drugs. The possession, use, and/or distribution of any drug made illegal to possess, use and/or distribute by the laws of the United States of America and/or any of its fifty states is prohibited by this Policy.


4. MASKING AGENTS AND TECHNIQUES USED TO AVOID DETECTION

The use of any agent or technique which is designed to avoid detection of a prohibited drug and/or compromise the integrity of a drug test is prohibited. This includes providing false urine samples (for example, urine substitution), contaminating the urine sample with chemicals or chemical products, the use of diuretics to dilute urine samples, the use of masking agents (such as probenecid and related compounds), and/or the use of epitestosterone either systematically or directly to artificially alter the testosterone/epitestosterone ratio.

The use of any such agent or technique shall be treated as a positive test for substances prohibited by this Policy for disciplinary purposes.


5. ALCOHOL ABUSE

The use and/or abuse of alcohol in such a fashion so as to impair the ability to perform is prohibited by this Policy. Talent are expected to be free of the influence of alcohol when performing for WWE. Accordingly, the use of alcohol at any time twelve hours prior to any scheduled performance is prohibited by this Policy.

(1) Testing for alcohol use or abuse in violation of this Policy shall be for reasonable cause only as defined in Section 7A.

(2) The initial positive test for use and/or abuse of alcohol in violation of this Policy will be treated as a medical issue requiring evaluation for alcohol rehabilitation treatment. All subsequent positive tests for alcohol-related violations of this Policy shall be treated as disciplinary matters in accordance with this Policy.


6. ADMINISTRATION OF THE POLICY

The administration of this Policy is directed by the Program Administrator (PA) for the WWE. The PA shall be David L. Black, Ph.D., D-ABFT, D-ABCC of Aegis Sciences Corporation (“Aegis”), Nashville, Tennessee. The PA shall be responsible for scheduling Talent for testing, administering collection of samples, coordinating secure shipment of samples to the testing facility, interviewing Talent and determining whether any WWE Talent has tested positive for the existence of a prohibited drug and, if so, directing that the appropriate penalty as set forth herein is imposed.


7. TESTING FOR USE OF PROHIBITED SUBSTANCE

A. Reasonable Cause Testing

(1) Reasonable Suspicion. WWE may require Talent to submit to a test or tests, including, without limitation, urine, blood, saliva, hair, and/or breath tests, if there exists reasonable suspicion that the Talent has violated any part of this Policy or has diminished ability to perform as a result of using any prohibited substance. Some of the conditions, observations and/or reports that may cause WWE to have such a reasonable suspicion are as follows:

(a) When a Talent is found or observed in possession of illegal drugs or illegal drug paraphernalia at any time.

(b) Observation of signs, symptoms and/or behaviors known to accompany the use of prohibited substances including, but not limited to:

1. physical signs of red or droopy eyes, dilated or constricted pupils;

2. slurred speech, stumbling, or hyperactivity;

3. needle marks;

4. repeated unexplained disappearances from an Event;

5. unexplained lateness in arriving for an Event;

6. nose constantly runs, appears red, or persistent sniffling;

7. time distortion, including repeated tardiness and missed appointments;

8. chronic forgetfulness or broken promises;

9. accidents during Events;

10. inability to concentrate, remember, or maintain attention;

11. mental confusion, paranoia, or presence of abnormal thoughts or ideas;

12. violent tendencies, loss of temper, or irritability;

13. extreme personality change or mood swings;

14. deteriorating personal hygiene or appearance.

(c) A drug related conviction.

(d) Receipt of a report from a reliable source that a Talent is using, possessing or selling illegal drugs.

(e) An examination or test, as provided by the Policy, which shows evidence of use of a prohibited substance or adulteration or manipulation of the specimen.

In addition, WWE may require a Talent to submit to a test or tests, including without limitation, urine, blood, saliva, hair, and/or breath tests, following an incident in which careless acts were observed during a WWE Event.

(2) Tests for violation of this Policy for alcohol and marijuana shall be on the basis of reasonable cause only.

B. Random Testing

With respect to all substances and drugs prohibited by this Policy except alcohol and marijuana, which will be tested only if reasonable cause exists to do so, WWE Talent will be subject to unannounced testing at any time, as determined by the PA. WWE may require Talent to submit to a test or tests, including, without limitation, urine, blood, saliva and/or hair in a random selection program. The random selection program conducted throughout the year will result in all Talent being tested on average four times and at least twice but may result in more frequent testing due to the random selection process. WWE Talent placed into the follow-up random testing program will be tested more frequently than four times per year.

C. Refusal To Test

A refusal to submit to a drug test by Talent shall be treated as a positive test for disciplinary and all other purposes pursuant to this Policy.


8. COLLECTION AND TRANSPORT OF SPECIMEN(S)

The Program Administrator will be in charge of collection of specimen(s) and they will carry out the following procedures:

(a) Ensure that the specimen(s) is/are from the Talent in question (including observation of the collection of the specimen(s)).

(b) Ensure that the specimen(s) is/are collected within the time period designated. Normally, collection shall be made within one hour or less of the notification of the Talent that testing will be conducted, unless a different time is designated based on the circumstances.


(c) Ensure that the specimen(s) has/have not been manipulated by promptly measuring the temperature of the specimen(s). Where results indicate that the sample is inappropriate for testing, the PA may require the Talent to provide additional specimen(s) as necessary.

(d) Label, secure, and transport the specimen(s) to the designated testing facility in such a manner as to ensure that the specimen(s) is/are not misplaced, tampered with, or relabeled.


9. FACILITY FOR TESTING

All testing will be done at a facility or facilities selected by WWE from among those facilities that have been certified by the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration (SAMHSA) of the United States Department of Health and Human Services, College of American Pathologists Forensic Urine Drug Testing Program (CAP-FUDT) and/or American Society of Crime Laboratory Directors (ASCLD).


10. TECHNOLOGICAL ASPECTS OF TESTING

The WWE designated testing facility will determine whether and in what amount a particular specimen tests positive with respect to a prohibited substance and whether the specimen has been adulterated or manipulated. The testing facility will transmit the results to the WWE PA. The PA shall promptly notify the Talent and the designated WWE representative whether or not the specimen(s) yielded a positive result for a prohibited drug and/or were adulterated or manipulated.


11. DEFINITION OF A POSITIVE TEST

(a) A positive test is one which confirms the presence of a prohibited drug or a metabolite of a prohibited drug.

(b) The initial test of Talent under this Policy shall be considered baseline testing and shall not, if positive, subject Talent to disciplinary action. Any subsequent positive test for non-medical use after the initial baseline test shall be treated as a positive test for disciplinary reasons if, in the opinion of the PA based on the evidence of testing and its interpretation of that evidence, the Talent has continued to use any such drugs.

(c) For testosterone, the following standards shall apply:

1. A Testosterone/Epitestosterone (T/E) ratio above ten (10) shall be conclusively regarded as a positive test result.

2. A Testosterone/Epitestosterone (T/E) ratio greater than four (4) but less than ten (10) shall require follow-up testing and/or medical evaluation to determine if the test shall be interpreted as positive for the active use of Testosterone or evidence of other steroids influencing the T/E ratio.

3. A Testosterone/Epitestosterone (T/E) ratio of four (4) or less shall be regarded as a negative test result.


12. PROCEDURE FOR A POSITIVE TEST

(1) The PA shall notify the Talent and the designated WWE representative of any positive test detected on the initial baseline test as defined in Section 11(b) of this Policy.

(2) After the initial baseline test, any and all subsequent positive tests for the non-medical use of drugs shall be subject to the penalties set forth herein.

(3) In the event that a Talent tests positive for a prescription drug, it shall be the responsibility of Talent to provide to the PA, within five (5) days of notification of a positive test, suitable proof that the drug in question has been taken pursuant to a valid prescription for a legitimate medical purpose given by a licensed and treating physician, and to provide copies of the prescription and the name, address and telephone number of the prescribing physician. The PA, as part of this Policy, shall have the consent of Talent to contact the prescribing physician to confirm that the prescription provided by Talent is valid and for a legitimate medical purpose. The failure to provide suitable proof shall be treated as a positive test. For purposes of this Policy, prescriptions obtained over the internet and/or from suppliers of prescription drugs from the internet shall NOT be considered valid and/or to have been given for a legitimate medical purpose. The Talent may be required to participate in follow-up testing to verify compliance with prescription medication use.

(4) Upon being notified by the PA that a Talent has tested positive for a drug prohibited by this Policy, the Talent shall have five (5) days to request a second opinion test be conducted. The second opinion test shall be conducted at the WWE designated testing facility using bottle “B” from the original collection. If the second opinion test fails to confirm the original test, then the test will be recorded as “negative” and there will be no penalty.


13. DISCIPLINE FOR VIOLATION OF LAW

Any Talent who is arrested, convicted or who admits to a violation of law relating to use, possession, purchase, sale or distribution of prohibited drugs will be in material breach of contract and subject to immediate dismissal.


14. PENALTIES FOR POSITIVE DRUG TESTS

First Offense. In the event of an initial positive result for drugs prohibited by this Policy, as amended from time to time, the Talent shall be suspended without pay for 30 days.

Second Offense. In the event of a second positive result for drugs prohibited by this Policy, as amended from time to time, the Talent shall be suspended without pay for 60 days or, in cases where the Talent appears to be in need of a drug rehabilitation program, an indefinite suspension without pay until the individual has successfully completed the drug rehabilitation program.

Third Offense. In the event of a third positive result for drugs prohibited by this Policy, as amended from time to time, the Talent’s contract with WWE will be terminated.


15. APPLICABILITY OF THIS POLICY

This Policy, as it may be amended from time to time, is applicable to and binding upon all WWE Talent under contract to WWE who regularly perform in-ring services as a professional sports entertainer.

[Capt Throbberson]

Flair in MitB2 :eek:

[Go Web Go!]

What in the HELL just happened? Ric Flair is going to the MITB match? Wow.I'd like to see how they make that work.

[Sabretooth]

Yeah. NOW you guys like Triple H. I can't wait to hear the *****ing to start about him as soon as WM ends.
Yeah. You can bet people are going to be saying ''Ugh,I'd rather have Cena as champion than see Triple H again.'' But hey,that's what people wanted.


So Ric Flair is going to be in MITB? That was a pretty stupid move. I would've liked to see Carlito in it.

[CAGE]

^^ Flair used the ropes to get the pin.

Anyone else think that, that Kick My Ass **it is a load of BS?

[LastSunrise1981]

Apparently. Something tells me Triple H was making things up as he went along to get fans to boo him. Pretty unsuccessful,since people chanted ''Triple H'' a couple times. :(

http://www.gerweck.net/vincemcmahon.jpg

"I'LL NEVER TAKE THE TITLE OFF OF CENA. IN FACT, SINCE YOU'RE BOOING HIM AND BOOING THE MONEY I'M MAKING FROM HIM, YOU'RE GOING TO GET A FULL YEAR OF CENA ONCE AGAINNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!"

:eek: :o

[Go Web Go!]

I'm pretty sure everyone on here has always liked him. I know I always have.

I'm not picking out certain individuals. I've just seen more haters than fans since I joined the forums. :)

By the way, has anyone else noticed that they always have the same paintings in Vince's "office?"

Trippy.

[LastSunrise1981]

Yeah. You can bet people are going to be saying ''Ugh,I'd rather have Cena as champion than see Triple H again.'' But hey,that's what people wanted.


So Ric Flair is going to be in MITB? That was a pretty stupid move. I would've liked to see Carlito in it.

Hey, I'm just tired of Cena and at least H has been entertaining as of late. Plus he's stayed away from the title picture and I've grown to like him again due to his promos.

Granted I'd love to see RVD, Edge, or even Shelton have a run or feud with the world champion. But I'll definitely take Triple H over Cena.

[Sabretooth]

I'm pretty sure everyone on here has always liked him. I know I always have.
Same. Well,I liked him in DX and always wanted him to get pushed in the main event. Around 2003 where he refused to put over guys like RVD and Booker and Kane,I couldn't stand him. But after his feud with Batista and after he came back after his injury he seems to be on a roll again.

You have to give the guy one thing though,he is one hell of a worker. He can make anyone look good in a promo,Cena was pretty bareable tonight because HHH carried him. He is pretty deserving of where he is today.

[The FallenAngel]

I hope Marty turns on HBK.

[Go Web Go!]

^^ Flair used the ropes to get the pin.

Anyone else think that, that Kick My Ass **it is a load of BS?

There has to be a good reason they brought it back. Actually, forget I said that. There's no such thing as a good reason in the WWE. Anyway, I'm guessing it'll be a Marty heel turn. Either that or someone will be shoving their cheeks in Vince's face.

P.S. Spirit Squad B-L-O-W-S. Weee! Woo! Go team!

[Capt Throbberson]

We all do

[NDX]

I've been looking forward for a HHH title run for a while now. Even if it wasn't Cena as champ, I'd still want to see gold with Hunter.

Same paintings since, what, 1998? Hell, the paintings are the same even when Bishoff was GM. I think Teddy has the Van Gogh in his office too, with the King poster. I remember at one point they had Jasper John's 3 flags as well.

[Go Web Go!]

Vince, get to the point! I need to drop a major load! What's going to happen?!

[Go Web Go!]

I've been looking forward for a HHH title run for a while now. Even if it wasn't Cena as champ, I'd still want to see gold with Hunter.

Same paintings since, what, 1998? Hell, the paintings are the same even when Bishoff was GM. I think Teddy has the Van Gogh in his office too, with the King poster. I remember at one point they had Jasper John's 3 flags as well.

Yeah, I just noticed tonight. Vince was exposing himself so I had to admire what else was in the room because I sure as hell wasn't going to look at his behind.

[DOG LIPS]

*Vince showing his ass*

Sabretooth: fapfapfapfapfap

:(

[Sabretooth]

Is Vince wearing a THONG????? :eek:

[Sabretooth]

*Vince showing his ass*

Sabretooth: fapfapfapfapfap

:(
Only because of his man thong.:(

[DOG LIPS]

Only because of his man thong.:(
:(:up:

[CAGE]

Thank God!

[Sabretooth]

Dammit,he ain't turning heel,is he? :(

[Go Web Go!]

Meh. There is something worse than seeing Vince's ass...Seeing Chris Masters.

[Capt Throbberson]

I thought Plan B was going to be beat Michaels

[Sabretooth]

Maybe Shawn turns heel?

[Capt Throbberson]

More ass :(

[Go Web Go!]

Alright. HBK is now part of G-Unit with that tank top. And there's Shane.

[NDX]

Pull up your pants goddammit!

[citizenpain]

YESSSS!! shane o'mac!! street fight!! that's gonna be awesome.

[Sabretooth]

Barf!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :( Shawn kissed Vince's ass :(



Ewwww! Vince vs. Shawn at Wrestlemania! BARRRRRFFFFFF!!!!! :(

[Capt Throbberson]

Damn :(

[Eric Draven]

Wait, so instead of going with a possible coolass WM match in Michaels vs Jannetty for the very last time, they decide to go with Shawn vs Vince?

:down

[DOG LIPS]

Baaarrrfffffffffffffffffff.

Sweet ass though.

[Sabretooth]

Major cop out. For once I was dissapointed to see Shane. :(


That should've been Marty holding that chair!! :mad:

[Capt Throbberson]

Looking back on it, what the hell was the point of Jannetty?

[The FallenAngel]

What the hell was even the point of bringing Marty in? They should've made him turn heel. And :down to the WM match.

[NDX]

Crap, Vince saved SNME. Now I have to watch it.

[Sabretooth]

Looking back on it, what the hell was the point of Jannetty?
To make us think the booking team may have actually wised up and have Jannetty turn heel.:(

[The FallenAngel]

SNME actually sounds like it could be pretty good. I'm eager to see what goes down in the handicap tag match.

[NDX]

To make us think the booking team may have actually wised up and have Jannetty turn heel.

They pulled a fast one on us, didn't they?

Who knows, maybe they are waiting for the street fight to turn Jannetty heel. Doubtful, though.

[LastSunrise1981]

Seeing Vince's ass is something I didn't want to see before going to bed. :(

[Eric Draven]

You know what would be interesting? If the WWE pulls a double turn at SNME, like maybe have Cena turn heel on Triple H? :confused:

[Donnie Darko]

maybe we'll see HBK about to win at SNME, then Marty comes in a superkicks him, letting Shane get the win and setting up HBK-Marty at WM

[Go Web Go!]

Vince already announced his match vs. HBK

[NDX]

Following the SmackDown! Tapings & Last Night's RAW, below is the updated WrestleMania Card:

World Heavyweight Championship:
Kurt Angle (c) vs. Rey Mysterio vs. Randy Orton

WWE Championship:
John Cena (c) vs. Triple H

Money In The Bank - Contract For World Title On Line
Ric Flair vs. Rob Van Dam vs. Shelton Benjamin

Vince McMahon vs. Shawn Michaels

JBL vs. Chris Benoit


I don't think HBK v. Marty is going to happen on anything but RAW, if even that. Shame, waste of a talented wrestler (I feel).

- Barbara Goodish, the widow of Bruiser Brody, signed a WWE legends contract. You may have noticed a Bruiser Brody action figure at your local retail store.

Might have to look into getting that one.

[Colossal Spoons]

Alright. HBK is now part of G-Unit with that tank top. And there's Shane.

Haha, my friends and I thought the same thing.

[punishermax]

The reason they are going ahead with Vince v. HBK, and not turning Marty heel, is because the casual fan doesn't give two ****s about Marty and he and HBK's history. You have to think of a feud like this like you were still a mark with no memory 3/4 of the people that watch wrestling now, have probably never seen a Rockers match, much less HBK throwing Marty through the Barber Shop window. So the majority would rather see Vince vs. HBK.

[Sarge 2.0]

I don't care if most of the matches on Raw last night weren't that great. I don't care that Marty didn't turn heel like he should have...

John Cena got crapped on last night. On live television. Triple H witnessed it, Cena witnessed it, and we all know that Vince witnessed it. There are absolutely no excuses now. People are ****ing sick of seeing John Cena hold the belt, and now there's absolute proof.

[Hunter Rider]

The reason they are going ahead with Vince v. HBK, and not turning Marty heel, is because the casual fan doesn't give two ****s about Marty and he and HBK's history. You have to think of a feud like this like you were still a mark with no memory 3/4 of the people that watch wrestling now, have probably never seen a Rockers match, much less HBK throwing Marty through the Barber Shop window. So the majority would rather see Vince vs. HBK.

I agree and disagree,i think the value on Vince actually wrestling in the ring ran out with the Hogan match,now granted Marty isn't that well known but he got a big reaction and chant last week so they do know him and with a couple of vignette piece's on Marty and Shawn's past they could have interested ppl in this feud rather than see a sad ego maniac 60 year old working with HBK

[Mister J]

How is the Vince/HBK match going to be any good? No way McMahon can even come close to looking credible unless it's just a straight screwjob from the start. It's not going to be a squash match, which is how it should go over. Actually, Shane would be a more entertaining match (and they have that for SNME :rolleyes:). At least you know there will be a couple of crazy high spots. This is not a WM-calibur match. However, there seems to be alot of that going around.

[Bad Superman]

Yeah. NOW you guys like Triple H. I can't wait to hear the *****ing to start about him as soon as WM ends.

No, I still don't like him. Edge should've been on the main event at WM either as champion or challenger. It all comes down to backstage stroke and manipulation.

Carlitos should've been part of MITB2. He was the one who came up with the idea. It was a very stupid booking decision of giving Flair the spot. I would've put Flair VS. Murdoch building the feud up similar to Flair VS. Funk a few years ago when Funk broke Flair's neck.

Vince VS HBK on WM is on. I think it will be on the same level as Hogan VS. Vince = A total suckfest. I agree HBK should've wrestled Marty Janetty. Another perfect opportunity was wasted.

[Hunter Rider]

The counter productive booking on RAW is hilarious,from the WWE title trainwreck to booking the ego driven crap of Vince/Shawn when Shawn/Marty or Rockers vs Carlito/Masters were options to booking Foley/Edge(the one RAW match im looking forward to) in a hardcore match and then 30 minutes later having Edge's main weapon prop booked in another match........amazing

[Bad Superman]

The counter productive booking on RAW is hilarious,from the WWE title trainwreck to booking the ego driven crap of Vince/Shawn when Shawn/Marty or Rockers vs Carlito/Masters were options to booking Foley/Edge(the one RAW match im looking forward to) in a hardcore match and then 30 minutes later having Edge's main weapon prop booked in another match........amazing

Hey I just noticed Chris Masters, nor Big Show nor Kane have a match for WM yet. . .I wonder what will they do with them. . . put them in an "Invitational Battle Royal"??

I know this has been done before, but here's my shot at how I would book WM:

WWE Title
(Hell In a Cell Match)

Cena VS. Edge (Edge wins title)

WWE Intercontinental Championship
(Fatal Four-Way Match)

Benjamin VS. Carlito VS. Masters VS. RVD (Carlito wins)

First Blood Match

Triple H VS. Kane (Show turns on Kane and Triple H wins)

Grudge Match

Ric Flair VS. Trevor Murdoch (Flair wins)

Special Guest Referee: Bret Hart:

HBK VS. Janetty (Accompanied by Vince Mc Mahon and Shane. This match would be filled with alot of tension and anticipation. . . Will Bret screw HBK?, Will Bret get even with Vince? HBK overcomes all odds and wins the match with an assist from Bret.)


WWE World Heavyweight Title

Angle VS. Orton Vs. Mysterio (Mysterio wins the belt)

Casket Match

Undertaker VS. Lashley (Even that would be more attractive than Henry. Undertaker wins of course not before being attacked by Boogeyman)

US Title

Chris Benoit VS. JBL (Benoit wins)

Tag-Team Championship
(Tables Match):

MNM VS. Booker T and Orlando Jordan (New tag-team, new tag-team champs)

[LastSunrise1981]

I don't care if most of the matches on Raw last night weren't that great. I don't care that Marty didn't turn heel like he should have...

John Cena got crapped on last night. On live television. Triple H witnessed it, Cena witnessed it, and we all know that Vince witnessed it. There are absolutely no excuses now. People are ****ing sick of seeing John Cena hold the belt, and now there's absolute proof.

I believe Vince is in denial though. He'll continue to be in denial because he'll call those fans smarks or jealous of Cena's success.

Cena indeed got crapped on pretty bad, Triple H said that Angle, Jericho, and Edge didn't know how to play an effective heel. Guess what H? Now you see that no one at this point and time gives a crap about Cena.

Truthfully I'd prefer Edge to main event WM with the title. But Vince, being the genius that he is, decides to remove the belt from Edge and force it on Cena again as if anyone really wanted him to have the title in the first place.

I think their best bet is to either turn Cena into a heel or a tweener.

[Bad Superman]

Cena indeed got crapped on pretty bad, Triple H said that Angle, Jericho, and Edge didn't know how to play an effective heel. Guess what H? Now you see that no one at this point and time gives a crap about Cena.

How convenient!!! Triple H says this in order to clear away the competition of heels and shine as the only top heel in the company. I believe this is one of the reasons Edge's title run was cut short. H felt threatened and conveniently did that to Angle, Jericho and Edge.

As far as Cena goes, there's no way he can remain face any longer. Still H might prevent that from happening and force Cena to remain face since H won't let anyone else be close to the top heel.

[PyroChamber]

She's okay. Bit of a butterface.


Holy crap she stuffed her face in Trish's you know what.:eek:Mickie's not that bad, although she does look a little like a hyperactive Punky Brewster. I hope they do something with this storyline quickly, and was I the only one paying attention to Lita throughout the whole first segment?

Why do I have the feeling that the Candice slap to Torrie is gonna lead to some "who's the better Playboy centerfold" match.

[Bad Superman]

Lita should step away from Edge and rejoin the Women division. Edge needs to go solo.

[Hunter Rider]

Hey I just noticed Chris Masters, nor Big Show nor Kane have a match for WM yet. . .I wonder what will they do with them. . . put them in an "Invitational Battle Royal"??



Show/Kane vs Masters/Carlito is a possible bet now IMO

[Hunter Rider]

Lita should step away from Edge and rejoin the Women division. Edge needs to go solo.

I think they are good together,her slut character plays well with his ******* quasi-shoot heel

[Duende Verde]

Why don't they use Marty Janetty return to reform the Rockers and have them win the Tag-Team championship?
They never had in their original WWE run and that's an excuse to take it away from Kane and Big Show.

[Bad Superman]

Show/Kane vs Masters/Carlito is a possible bet now IMO

That's a good bet.

[Prognosticator]

Lita should step away from Edge and rejoin the Women division. Edge needs to go solo.

I doubt it !!! She would never get as much boobtime, er uh, facetime if she was in the women's division! That's the least attractive draw right now anyway. Lita's smokin' hot right now and she gave about the best Pam Anderson impersonation I've ever seen last night!

[Prognosticator]

How convenient!!! Triple H says this in order to clear away the competition of heels and shine as the only top heel in the company. I believe this is one of the reasons Edge's title run was cut short. H felt threatened and conveniently did that to Angle, Jericho and Edge.

As far as Cena goes, there's no way he can remain face any longer. Still H might prevent that from happening and force Cena to remain face since H won't let anyone else be close to the top heel.

There's a lot of pessimism in hear but I thought last night rocked!! I told my friend that crowds were turning on Cena and he didn't believe me. Then, we sat there while the crowd erupted in boos for Cena, it was out of control awesome!! He couldn't even dialogue at that point. He was completely flustered!! H and even the announcers tried make H the heel but in the end I was yelling for H just like I have been for months!

[Prognosticator]

....And Vince v. HBK? What a way to go out (for now)! This is the epitome of good v. evil and art imitating life. Shawn the born again Christian v. Vince the consumate sinner. It's money in the bank for me and my guys.

[Bad Superman]

The crowds turn on Cena really affected him. You could see it not only in his face expressions but in his voice tone. His promo was way under the level and upbeat attitude in previous occasions.

[Hunter Rider]

....And Vince v. HBK? What a way to go out (for now)! This is the epitome of good v. evil and art imitating life. Shawn the born again Christian v. Vince the consumate sinner. It's money in the bank for me and my guys.

It's match where the combined age is 101 and one of the guys is not a wreslter,forgive me if I'd prefer HBK's last WM match to be with a great worker and not an ego maniacal maniac who likes men's faces in his ass

[The Ghoul]

Am I the only one who noticed Cena said "FACT: I'm not the compony's best athlete."... Do you see how awesome that is to my ears?

[Prognosticator]

Triple H could barely keep a straight face!!! He had the audience eating out of his hand and it wasn't even supposed to go down like that! What a moment. Cena came off like it was his first time to ever address a live audience.

[The Techno Bat]

Show/Kane vs Masters/Carlito is a possible bet now IMO

I have said it before and I will say it again, not that anybody in the WWE is listening to the fans or reading this, but I think where the tag team division is so weak they should have Big Show & Kane face off against MNM, and the winner unifies the tag team straps, and then only have one tag team champion if the WWE is still going to go with the split brands, and then have the tag team champions work both shows and try and salvage what is left of tag team wrestling in the WWE

[Bad Superman]

Am I the only one who noticed Cena said "FACT: I'm not the compony's best athlete."... Do you see how awesome that is to my ears?

That was shortly after he broke down and tried to keep a straight face. I tell you, the crowd really got to him.

Triple H could barely keep a straight face!!! He had the audience eating out of his hand and it wasn't even supposed to go down like that! What a moment. Cena came off like it was his first time to ever address a live audience

Oh and don't forget how Triple H destroyed Cena with something like: "This is a guy whose one of his major moves is pumping up his Reebok." That even knocked the wind out of me. I thought: Cena has officially been buried. Cena blanked out and gave one of the worse promos I've seen from him. The crowd really messed him up.

[The Techno Bat]

I have to admit even though I am the BIGGEST FLAIR fan (probably on these boards) it doesn't make sense to see Ric Flair go into the Money in the Bank match up with Rob Van Dam and Shelton Benjamin? Carlito is definately the better fit, but I can smell something brewing and perhaps Carlito will be part of it anyway, but for now I think Flair would be better used in a one on one match up against somebody else or perhaps not even part of wrestlemania at all, sure it would be sad to not see Naitch at WM but if it makes sense not to have him because there is no heat, they shouldn't have him there. But since Flair is in the match, wOoOoOoOo, my only question is will the IC strap be on the line for Ric Flair to win again? ? ?

[Prognosticator]

That was shortly after he broke down and tried to keep a straight face. I tell you, the crowd really got to him.



Oh and don't forget how Triple H destroyed Cena with something like: "This is a guy whose one of his major moves is pumping up his Reebok." That even knocked the wind out of me. I thought: Cena has officially been buried. Cena blanked out and gave one of the worse promos I've seen from him. The crowd really messed him up.

Yes! YES! I forgot about that! That was the crowning moment last night! That line hung Cena out to dry and exposed him in a way I've never seen anyone receive such a humiliating blow. I jumped up and ran around the room laughing, it was soooo funny! Not to mention Triple H was back to looking like a million bucks and Cena was dressed like an Army reject.

[The Techno Bat]

That was shortly after he broke down and tried to keep a straight face. I tell you, the crowd really got to him.



Oh and don't forget how Triple H destroyed Cena with something like: "This is a guy whose one of his major moves is pumping up his Reebok." That even knocked the wind out of me. I thought: Cena has officially been buried. Cena blanked out and gave one of the worse promos I've seen from him. The crowd really messed him up.

Not only that, this was probably one of the first times on live tv that Cena had to cut a one on one promo with The Game, and it might have been a bit stressful with the extra stuff from the fans, but this is HHH, the game he was in there with and I bet it finally hit Cena, and he might have realized this isn't Edge, or Kurt Angle I am dealing with here, this is HHH one of the best in the business today.

Does anybody remember a long time ago after the PPV where HHH nailed Flair with the sledge hammer and HHH showed up on RAW the next night and everybody was giving him the look and saying that wasn't cool to him, and Cena said something like that to HHH, and HHH responded with "You Don't want to get my attention" well guess what Cena you got his attention and now it is your down fall, It's all about the GAME!

[Prognosticator]

I have to admit even though I am the BIGGEST FLAIR fan (probably on these boards) it doesn't make sense to see Ric Flair go into the Money in the Bank match up with Rob Van Dam and Shelton Benjamin? Carlito is definately the better fit, but I can smell something brewing and perhaps Carlito will be part of it anyway, but for now I think Flair would be better used in a one on one match up against somebody else or perhaps not even part of wrestlemania at all, sure it would be sad to not see Naitch at WM but if it makes sense not to have him because there is no heat, they shouldn't have him there. But since Flair is in the match, wOoOoOoOo, my only question is will the IC strap be on the line for Ric Flair to win again? ? ?



If Flair somehow (and this is a stretch) won the Money in the Bank, could it set up some sort of redemption match for the WWE Title when Triple H wins it back?

[The Ghoul]

I Raw should bring back the hardcore title & have MNM be the only tag team champs in WWE on SD! Smackdown seems to have some semblance of what looks like it could be a tag team division. Raw, not so much. So make the tag champs a Smackdown exclusive. Bring the hardcore to Raw so there is an equal number of belts per show & so WWE can hire new guys & former ECW guys to milk all they can out of ECW. Not only that, it really gives each show a chance to build up as there own show with their own kind of matches.

[Hunter Rider]

It's funny im no fan of Cena but i feel sorry for him,he didn't ask for this push nor did he ask to be neutered to the point he is a bland bluechip face,
HHH is doing something here that is pleasing ppl that are down on Cena but the reason he is doing it is to stroke his own ego by burying another guy,just like he buried Orton and just like he buried Edge and isn't it quite noticeable that the guys who always seem to keep in good spots and get put over by him are his buddies Flair and Shawn ?

[Sarge 2.0]

Cena also has ****ty babyface merchandise...I prefer "Ruck Fules" to the totally contradictory pseudo badass (yet obviously schmaltzy) "Hustle.Loyalty.Respect."


Soooo retarded.

[Sarge 2.0]

It's funny im no fan of Cena but i feel sorry for him,he didn't ask for this push nor did he ask to be neutered to the point he is a bland bluechip face,
HHH is doing something here that is pleasing ppl that are down on Cena but the reason he is doing it is to stroke his own ego by burying another guy,just like he buried Orton and just like he buried Edge and isn't it quite noticeable that the guys who always seem to keep in good spots and get put over by him are his buddies Flair and Shawn ?I realise that this is a product of HHH's ego...but for Trips, this year was a big improvement. He spent practically eight months (If we count the months leading to Mania) away from title shots and strap wearing. However I do resent the fact that guys like Edge and RVD had to be pushed off the mountain to get there.

[Hunter Rider]

I realise that this is a product of HHH's ego...but for Trips, this year was a big improvement. He spent practically eight months (If we count the months leading to Mania) away from title shots and strap wearing. However I do resent the fact that guys like Edge and RVD had to be pushed off the mountain to get there.

That's the thing,he has so much power that the WWE ignored the fact that the only heel to get Cena the correct reactions was Edge and just depushed him to set up an ME that no one but Aitch wants

While the promo was funny in one respect last night on a business level it was unprofessional

[Prognosticator]

I realise that this is a product of HHH's ego...but for Trips, this year was a big improvement. He spent practically eight months (If we count the months leading to Mania) away from title shots and strap wearing. However I do resent the fact that guys like Edge and RVD had to be pushed off the mountain to get there.

Well look at it this way, the fans are obviously backing RVD to the max right now! HE just came back as well, way after Triple H started his comeback, so naturally he would be months behind in the pecking order. If that's the case, fans can possibly look forward to a clash down the road b/w RVD (who will build up steam along the way) and Triple H (who will hopefully regain the Gold). This works on all levels b/c the fans cheer RVD and Triple H seems more than satisfied being the #1 heel!

[Sarge 2.0]

While the promo was funny in one respect last night on a business level it was unprofessionalI predict Cena is going to start whining again. When Edge won at NYRevolution he was actually asking backstage when he was going to get his title back. :rolleyes:

[Hunter Rider]

I predict Cena is going to start whining again. When Edge won at NYRevolution he was actually asking backstage when he was going to get his title back. :rolleyes:

I think he knows his number is up,he' not dealing with Edge now he is not going to be able to play politics with the guy that runs the show

[Colossal Spoons]

Not only that, this was probably one of the first times on live tv that Cena had to cut a one on one promo with The Game, and it might have been a bit stressful with the extra stuff from the fans, but this is HHH, the game he was in there with and I bet it finally hit Cena, and he might have realized this isn't Edge, or Kurt Angle I am dealing with here, this is HHH one of the best in the business today.


Kurt def is one of the best.

[Sarge 2.0]

Kurt def is one of the best.However, Kurt doesn't have the stroke. John is screwed.

[White_Howling]

how many times has kurt been champ?

[Mister J]

Cena is royally screwed. That promo last night just confirms what pretty much all of us thought. I didn't think it would be that bad though. He basically got his card pulled by Trips.

[Colossal Spoons]

Well the fact that HHH will always win the belt is like a fundamental rule of WWE these days. It would be like Cena trying to defy gravity. I just think Kurt has a little more clout than Edge.

[Prognosticator]

Did you all ever see that documentary on Pro-wrestling wannabees on the Discovery Channel. They used to run it all the time about 4 years ago. It followed these ragtag down-and-out wrestlers through their respective lives. One of the featured people was Cena with the God-awful bowl cut. They looked like a traveling circus, ya know, the real poor ones that still do circuits today. Disc. re-ran it a few months ago, and it was weird b/c there was Cena, all baby-faced and runnin' w/roughneck wrestlers, and here it is just a few years later, and well, we all know the rest...

[The FallenAngel]

Regardless of how unprofessional the promo was, or how much it was of HHH just stroking his own ego, I just don't care. Cena is going down, thanks to Trips, and I think that is totally cool. Cena can go down to mid-card obscurity, low-card, or be fired. Doesn't matter. I just hope that HHH will not have this title reign last for an overly long time, and eventually let RVD get a reign as champ.

[The Batman]

the WWE would be fools to keep pushing Cena like this. Either repackage his character, let him learn to wrestle better, or they're gonna lose out.

[SLYspyder]

there is nothing wrong with Cena. the only reason he is getting booed is that we all know, as a FACE, he got the title too easily, and has held it far too long for a first title reign.

he needs to cut promos like he did before he got the U.S. Championship, and stay out of the title scene for at least a year.


if neither cena nor HHH had the belt, the crowd reaction wouldn't have been what it was.

cant wait for Cena to lose the championship, but I hate that edge is gonna have to wait so long before he gets the title back.

[LastSunrise1981]

Regardless of how unprofessional the promo was, or how much it was of HHH just stroking his own ego, I just don't care. Cena is going down, thanks to Trips, and I think that is totally cool. Cena can go down to mid-card obscurity, low-card, or be fired. Doesn't matter. I just hope that HHH will not have this title reign last for an overly long time, and eventually let RVD get a reign as champ.

RVD or Edge would be a great choice, although RVD kind of shot himself in the foot by shooting on the WWE and calling out Triple H in the past.

Hopefully Edge feuds with Triple H next and Cena can have his character repackaged to some extent. He needs to go back to being the bad-ass tweener that cut awesome rap promos.

[The Techno Bat]

Kurt def is one of the best.

Oh I totally agree that Kurt Angle is one of the top three guys in wrestling today, he is one of the best, but with HHH there is a different air about him, he can put butts in the seats and has that something everybody loves to hate....

[Sarge 2.0]

there is nothing wrong with Cena. That's just false. He's a limited worker who needs to have obviously more talented wrestlers like Angle, Y2J and Edge look like chumps and resort to "hulk up" style no selling in order to maintain the facade of credibility and athleticism that gets shoved down our throats.

[Sarge 2.0]

RVD or Edge would be a great choice, although RVD kind of shot himself in the foot by shooting on the WWE and calling out Triple H in the past.

Hopefully Edge feuds with Triple H next and Cena can have his character repackaged to some extent. He needs to go back to being the bad-ass tweener that cut awesome rap promos.I agree with what Jericho said in an interview...he needs to drop the rap thing. I think a total repackage is in order so that he isn't such a corporate merchandise oriented character anymore. He's only kept the rap gimmick for so long because of the mainstream popularity of rap music.

[Upset Spideyfan]

Damn, I missed Raw, can anyone post what Trip said to Cena?

[DOG LIPS]

Damn, I missed Raw, can anyone post what Trip said to Cena?
It was hard to tell, Vince was playing with his ass in a scene before it, so many of us were still gagging. :( He did make fun of Cena's "Pumping up the Reeboks" move. :D

[Sarge 2.0]

He also said something to the affect of "Face it, you're not a very good wrestler!"

[CAGE]

If Cena retains at WM2, I'm going to throw my remote directly at the screen.

Seriously, they obviously can't keep pushing him like this. :down

[Eric Draven]

It's funny im no fan of Cena but i feel sorry for him,he didn't ask for this push nor did he ask to be neutered to the point he is a bland bluechip face,
HHH is doing something here that is pleasing ppl that are down on Cena but the reason he is doing it is to stroke his own ego by burying another guy,just like he buried Orton and just like he buried Edge and isn't it quite noticeable that the guys who always seem to keep in good spots and get put over by him are his buddies Flair and Shawn ?

Exactly. Back when Cena was feuding with Edge, fans were just chanting for Cena over Edge. I mean Cena was over again. Now that could have to do with him not having the title or maybe it could have to do with Edge playing a much better heel or it could even have to do with fans wanting to cheer for Triple H just like how they cheer for Angle or even Ric Flair no matter what happens.....:confused:


But nonetheless, the WWE is ****ed with Cena. I say the only thing to do to salvage him and this feud is just to turn him at SNME. People are cheering for Triple H now anyways, might as well turn Trips face and turn Cena heel. Have Cena the Raw after just come out ripping into the fans and everybody in general. Hell, imagine if he came out and just said "**** all you fans, I don't need you guys anymore".

[Hunter Rider]

Exactly. Back when Cena was feuding with Edge, fans were just chanting for Cena over Edge. I mean Cena was over again. Now that could have to do with him not having the title or maybe it could have to do with Edge playing a much better heel or it could even have to do with fans wanting to cheer for Triple H just like how they cheer for Angle or even Ric Flair no matter what happens.....:confused:


But nonetheless, the WWE is ****ed with Cena. I say the only thing to do to salvage him and this feud is just to turn him at SNME. People are cheering for Triple H now anyways, might as well turn Trips face and turn Cena heel. Have Cena the Raw after just come out ripping into the fans and everybody in general. Hell, imagine if he came out and just said "**** all you fans, I don't need you guys anymore".

I certainly agree something needs to be altered,they have come to far down the track to salvage the face run as it stands
The character is to limited in it's appeal and he needs to ditch it altogether
I think him winning at Mania through help and becoming the new corporate champ would be Gold
Just imagine,Cena in a suit gloating how he played all the fans with his rap gimmick in order to get them behind him and get their money on merchandise,he would then go back to wrestling in proper gear and being a cocky ******* champion who bumps a lot and sneaks wins


BTW non of that will happen b/c Flair will leave WM22 with the belt

[Sabretooth]

Cena doesn't need to change his gimmick. It's the reason he's even in the main event. It's just that WWE whored him out and made him from a badass,cocky rapper to a hip hop Superman. If Triple H goes over at WM22 they need to ditch having their feud go on past that and put Cena in the mid card. The next night after Wrestlemania Cena can come out and open the show and say something about how the fans can kiss his ass and that they turned their backs on him so he doesn't care about them anymore.

After this,he can start a feud with a face that can help get Cena over as a heel and make him look good in matches (please be RVD please be RVD) and Cena can go back to his raps. And his raps should be good,as in not have stupid gay jokes in them. The thing is they know what makes Cena click and they've got that part down,so they need to let him say what he wants to say. So,it won't take long for him to get over with the fans again.

[The Batman]

Cena needs to write his own raps again. Thats when he was edgy, and...actually funny. when he ripped Lesnar's mom, it was hilarious. Now, his characters not even about raps. It's Hulk Hogan part two now, right down to the limited wrestling. He needs to get his ass whooped too. If he goes up against someone like kurt angle, he needs to struggle through the match to beat him, not superman his way through everything.

[TheVileOne]

How interesting it is that its only against HHH that Cena's opponent is given a strong and dissecting promo over Cena, making Cena look like a chump.

This is how much Cena sucks, its made smart and marks a like want to see HHH of all people beat him for the world title. Then what happens? World title is back in the void of HHH's terror once again.

[Hunter Rider]

How interesting it is that its only against HHH that Cena's opponent is given a strong and dissecting promo over Cena, making Cena look like a chump.

This is how much Cena sucks, its made smart and marks a like want to see HHH of all people beat him for the world title. Then what happens? World title is back in the void of HHH's terror once again.
Not to mention the lopsided nature of it,HHH was basically shooting on Cena but Cena wasn't allowed to bring up Steph or Trips backstage power:o

[TheVileOne]

Not to mention the lopsided nature of it,HHH was basically shooting on Cena but Cena wasn't allowed to bring up Steph or Trips backstage power:o

Yup. Only Triple H is allowed to cut smarky comments against Cena. And that's why the fans are cheering for him.

It ticks me off that Triple H is getting this privilege and no one else really sees it.

[LastSunrise1981]

How interesting it is that its only against HHH that Cena's opponent is given a strong and dissecting promo over Cena, making Cena look like a chump.

This is how much Cena sucks, its made smart and marks a like want to see HHH of all people beat him for the world title. Then what happens? World title is back in the void of HHH's terror once again.

Well HHH has stayed away from the title picture and his feuds haven't hogged any significant main event spot. So I give him credit for staying away and not hogging any air time.

The problem is they screwed it up with Edge, Angle, and Jericho by having Cena Superman his way through them and making them look weak. You mean to tell me Angle can beat Mark Henry and the Undertaker, but couldn't make Cena tap out or beat him at all? That was just plain horrible booking.

At least HHH has been entertaining since being away from the title picture.

However at this point, I'm just tired and bored of Cena. If Cena "Supermans" his way to beating HHH and HHH puts him over, yet at the same time he wouldn't put over Jericho, RVD, Kane, or Booker T? Then I'll throw the biggest fit and throw my remote at the television.

Cena wouldn't be in the position he's in if he hadn't whined, pouted, and threw a fit after losing the title to Edge. Maybe if he took it with stride and moved on to become a better wrestler and character, then perhaps the fans and people backstage would take him seriously.

[The Ghoul]

How interesting it is that its only against HHH that Cena's opponent is given a strong and dissecting promo over Cena, making Cena look like a chump.

This is how much Cena sucks, its made smart and marks a like want to see HHH of all people beat him for the world title. Then what happens? World title is back in the void of HHH's terror once again.

Look at this analagy: I was watching Real Time with Bill Mahar. They talked about how Iraq is about to have a civil war. In which Mahar stated "I know our Gov. says 'at least it's better without Saddam in power' & no it's worse... He's a tyranical, genecidal dictator, but he held that place together."

Yes what HHH is doing is for ego. Yes, it's wrong for him to have that control. But bottom line, we're not executives. We're wrestling fans who want a main event... & HHH is a main event.

[TheVileOne]

Well HHH has stayed away from the title picture and his feuds haven't hogged any significant main event spot. So I give him credit for staying away and not hogging any air time.

LastSunrise1981, what you fail to recognize is that EVERY year, HHH pretty much gets a guaranteed main event or world title match at Wrestlemania. There is something wrong with that. Its called nepotism.

As for not hogging air time, when he's not taking his vacations, he's still on the air just as much as when he's world champion.


The problem is they screwed it up with Edge, Angle, and Jericho by having Cena Superman his way through them and making them look weak. You mean to tell me Angle can beat Mark Henry and the Undertaker, but couldn't make Cena tap out or beat him at all? That was just plain horrible booking.

Here's the thing. Because their failure with Angle/Cena and Batista's injury, they made Angle a face because fans wouldn't stop cheering him and gave him Batista's spot on Smackdown. Angle was supposed to be a heel against Cena. But the fans turning on him was inevitable. WWE tried to stop it by making Angle the new Muhammed Hassan, which as you can see failed miserably as well.

Also the problem isn't that Cena made them look weak, its that Cena looked weak stacked up against them. Re-watch some of those matches. Cena really does NOTHING in them. He's pretty much carried through them by guys like Jericho, Cena then wins the match with some weak and pitiful looking offense. Cena is in other words not believable or competent in the ring as a face world champion. Fans resented that Cena, who is such a weak wrestler compared to a Jericho, Angle, or even Christian (which never took off) and that those guys were doing all the work and Cena wasn't doing much of anything except...FIVE KNUCKLE SHUFFLE ...and FU. Jericho said the reason they dropped Christian/Cena was because if they actually went through with it, the fans would've been totally behind Christian and not Cena.


At least HHH has been entertaining since being away from the title picture.


Eh...that feud with Show, been there done that, same promos crap over and over again.


However at this point, I'm just tired and bored of Cena. If Cena "Supermans" his way to beating HHH and HHH puts him over, yet at the same time he wouldn't put over Jericho, RVD, Kane, or Booker T? Then I'll throw the biggest fit and throw my remote at the television.

Its not going to happen. The world title is going back to HHH on April Fool's Day. The ironic thing is that the internet and mark fans hate Cena so much they are willing to accept the nightmare of HHH as world champ again. I for one don't accept either and that's why I don't watch WWE.


Cena wouldn't be in the position he's in if he hadn't whined, pouted, and threw a fit after losing the title to Edge. Maybe if he took it with stride and moved on to become a better wrestler and character, then perhaps the fans and people backstage would take him seriously.

I don't think that's true. I'm not sure where that came from. I get the feeling that the plan was always to do HHH vs. Cena at Mania. The hiccup with Edge I believe was a last ditch effort to revive Cena's face heat. Why? Because the fans HATED Edge during that whole Matt Hardy mess. So they figure, let's put the title on Edge for a bit and see if that rebuilds and reinvigorates Cena...and obviously it hasn't. The fans are still turning on him even more.

Just saying, I get the feeling that Cena dropped the title knowing full well he'd get it back 3 weeks later.

[Sarge 2.0]

I don't think that's true. I'm not sure where that came from. I get the feeling that the plan was always to do HHH vs. Cena at Mania. The hiccup with Edge I believe was a last ditch effort to revive Cena's face heat. Why? Because the fans HATED Edge during that whole Matt Hardy mess. So they figure, let's put the title on Edge for a bit and see if that rebuilds and reinvigorates Cena...and obviously it hasn't. The fans are still turning on him even more.

Just saying, I get the feeling that Cena dropped the title knowing full well he'd get it back 3 weeks later.The rest isn't really worth replying to...but according to Insider reports, Cena was asking around backstage (most likely to the bookers) during the Raw after New Years Revolution when he was going to get the belt back. They also said he was upset about it, and asked several times. He dropped the title, but then he realised how much he loved having it, despite the negative fan reaction that came with it.

[Bad Superman]

It's funny im no fan of Cena but i feel sorry for him,he didn't ask for this push nor did he ask to be neutered to the point he is a bland bluechip face,
HHH is doing something here that is pleasing ppl that are down on Cena but the reason he is doing it is to stroke his own ego by burying another guy,just like he buried Orton and just like he buried Edge and isn't it quite noticeable that the guys who always seem to keep in good spots and get put over by him are his buddies Flair and Shawn ?

Totally agree with you on all accounts.

[Ultimate_Superman]

Question how can Cena say Triple H never beat him when I remember when he was first starting out before the rapping Tiple H beat the crap out of him.

[nite-owl]

how many times has kurt been champ?

4 wwe chanpion, 1 wcw champion and 1 world heavy weight champion.

[Mysterio-23]

Well, I do have to say that I do like Cena, but like everybody else, his gimmick is starting to get old right now. His in-ring skills are obviously not good. He should do a heel turn and move on from their to try and get fan support back.

On another note, WrestleMania 22 is shaping up to be a decent card.

World Heavyweight Title
Rey Mysterio Vs. Orton Vs. Angle

WWE Title
Cena Vs. HHH

Money in the Bank II
RVD Vs. Ric Flair Vs. Shelton Benjamin

Vince McMahon Vs. Shawn Michaels

Hardcore Match
Mick Foley Vs. Edge

JBL Vs. Chris Benoit

Undertaker Vs. Mark Henry

All of this and the card doesn't have Kane, Booker T, Big Show, Carlito, Crusierweights, Tag Titles, Interpromotional matches, or anything like that. And before people wree saying how crappy it looked. It looks pretty damn good to me.

[Lone Wolf]

Who do you all think will walk away from WM22 as winners?

[Mysterio-23]

Orton I think will win WHC
HHH will win WWE Title
RVD will win MITBII
HBK will beat Vince
Edge over Foley
JBL over Benoit
Undertaker over Henry

4 of these matches are confirmed, the others will probably happen. There will be more added I'm sure. If these are some of the matches I think they will be the winners.

[Sabretooth]

World Heavyweight Title
Rey Mysterio Vs. Orton Vs. Angle
Winner: Rey Mysterio

WWE Title
Cena Vs. HHH
Winner: Cena (though,if the crowd keeps up like this,who knows?)


Money in the Bank II
RVD Vs. Ric Flair Vs. Shelton Benjamin
Winner: Are they the only ones in it? For now I'll say RVD.

Vince McMahon Vs. Shawn Michaels
Winner:Shawn (this match will still suck though)

Hardcore Match
Mick Foley Vs. Edge
Winner: Edge

JBL Vs. Chris Benoit
Winner: Chris Benoit

Undertaker Vs. Mark Henry
Winner: Undertaker

[Duende Verde]

World Heavyweight Title
Rey Mysterio Vs. Orton Vs. Angle
Winner: Rey Mysterio

WWE Title
Cena Vs. HHH
Winner: Cena (though,if the crowd keeps up like this,who knows?)


Money in the Bank II
RVD Vs. Ric Flair Vs. Shelton Benjamin
Winner: Are they the only ones in it? For now I'll say RVD.

Vince McMahon Vs. Shawn Michaels
Winner:Shawn (this match will still suck though)

Hardcore Match
Mick Foley Vs. Edge
Winner: Edge

JBL Vs. Chris Benoit
Winner: Chris Benoit

Undertaker Vs. Mark Henry
Winner: Undertaker

I have a feeling they will somehow involve Bret Hart in the Vince vs Shawn match.
As a guest referee or just coming in and "screwing" the match for one of them.

[TheVileOne]

That Wrestlemania card really looks like ass. 1 or 2 matches might be good, but outside of that...yuck.

[Bad Superman]

That Wrestlemania card really looks like ass. 1 or 2 matches might be good, but outside of that...yuck.

The only decent matches are: Angle VS. Mysterio VS. Orton and MITB2, JBL VS. Benoit.

*Edge VS. Foley = Another Foley bumpfest

*Triple H VS. Cena = Barf

*Vince VS. HBK = could be the surprise of the night if Bret gets involved somehow. Still, Marty Janetty fighting for Vince would've been alot better. Bottom line: half barf.

*Undertaker VS Mark Henry = Mega barf

IMO this is the worse Wrestlemania since Wrestlemania 7.

[TheVileOne]

Benoit and JBL have wrestled several times before. None of the matches were anything of note.

Its probably just going to be an easy win and another title, feather in the hat for JBL as payback for getting squashed by the Boogeyman at Rumble.

[Hunter Rider]

The WM22 card is bad no doubt,the SD side makes sense completely and should deliver good matches but the RAW side is just crazy booking

HHH vs Cena-pure suicidal booking

Foley vs Edge-emotion and big bumps,could steal the show

MITB 2-undermines Edge by taking his best hardcore prop and putting it in another match on the same show,also Flair being in is bizarre

Shawn vs Vince-absolute ego driven garbage that also doesn't have the standard cover up option of making it a street fight due to the Edge/Foley match

[Sabretooth]

This is what John Cena needs to go back to (WARNING: Possibly vulgar remarks in here,may not be the best thing to watch at work)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Uh61QVbii9U&search=John%20Cena



http://youtube.com/watch?v=1tH8uFwJtWQ&search=John%20Cena


http://youtube.com/watch?v=sgCldbHsCeI&search=John%20Cena

[TheVileOne]

I have this horrible feeling JBL is going to win just so he can be another GRAND SLAM champion for WWE.

[The Techno Bat]

I think that JBL has to win against Benoit, if not then Smackdown will have no real BIG TIME HEEL characters on there show with a great reputation. Now I am not saying I want JBL to win, but I think he will win for that very reason.

[Donnie Darko]

I wonder who SD can put in MITB, or if maybe there will be more Raw guys. I mean, who else would be available from SD for the match? Lashley? Booker T? Matt Hardy? Just throwing some names out there. If they go with ladder match again, the best guys they would have for that will either be in tag team or cruiserweight matches (mostly the Mexicools).

Maybe there will be a Kane/Big Show vs. Carlito/Masters tag title match. Maybe an MNM vs. Mexicools or London/Kendrick. Or maybe they will go through with a unification match, with maybe Masters or someone running in and costing Show/Kane the belts.

I'd love to see a lot of cruiserweights wrestle at WM22 and actually be able to put on a show. Maybe have the MITB2 match be some kind of elimination deal, then let the cruiserweights have a ladder match with like 4 guys going for the title. Let Helms, Kid Kash, one of the Mexicools and someone else go at it.

[3dman27]

didn't the mexicools break up

[Sarge 2.0]

I think Psicosis and Super Crazy still call themselves the Mexicools, despite lacking Juventud as their "leader".

[The FallenAngel]

Yeah, they do.

[Donnie Darko]

ah, I haven't seen a whole SD broadcast in a while.

Well, maybe Psicosis and Super Crazy could be in a tag match while Juventud could be going for the CW title.

[3dman27]

juventud no longer works for the wwe as i understand it

[Lone Wolf]

^ You understand well then...

Does anyone know what stirred up his departure?

[3dman27]

erratic behaviour if i recall what i read on the hype right

[Lone Wolf]

^ Towards who? The other superstars? Or was he just like that plain and simple?

[Sarge 2.0]

He was whining alot, and bugging the booking with crappy ideas. He also resented Psicosis and Super Crazy, and had a fair amount of ego about his own talent. Basically, he was being a nuisance around the locker room. On top of that, he used the 450 splash in his last match.

[Hunter Rider]

Juvi got the boot because he is nuts,if Randy Savage wern't still alive he would be the craziest wrestler in the world

[Mister J]

Juvi got the boot because he is nuts,if Randy Savage wern't still alive he would be the craziest wrestler in the world

OOOOHHH YEEEAAHHH! DIG IT!!!
(Oh yeah, buy my rap album too.)

[Eric Draven]

This is what John Cena needs to go back to (WARNING: Possibly vulgar remarks in here,may not be the best thing to watch at work)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Uh61QVbii9U&search=John%20Cena



http://youtube.com/watch?v=1tH8uFwJtWQ&search=John%20Cena


http://youtube.com/watch?v=sgCldbHsCeI&search=John%20Cena

Now that's the John Cena I want to see return. The guy who would just rip into everything and everybody. It's what made him popular in the first place. And it totally beats that spaz that he's turned into now.....

I'm hoping the reaction he got on Raw is the start of him turning heel again :(

[Mister J]

Now that's the John Cena I want to see return. The guy who would just rip into everything and everybody. It's what made him popular in the first place. And it totally beats that spaz that he's turned into now.....

I'm hoping the reaction he got on Raw is the start of him turning heel again :(

Notice the dramatic change in his entrance. These days it looks like he's having a seizure.

[Eric Draven]

Yep. Back then, he used to come out all cool and collected. Now he comes out like he's having a seizure. His theme music also makes a huge difference. I really liked his old theme better than his current one.

[Sarge 2.0]

It seems the good fellows over at Wikipedia refuse to acknowledge the backlash Cena is recieving. I'm trying my best to remain objective and civil, so we'll see how it turns out.

[Mister J]

If they do smarten up and change his persona, going back to "Basic Thuganomics" would be a good way to help usher it in. His entire current entance (theme, Titan Tron, the way he comes out) is built off that 'beat the odds' crap. It's gotta go.

[Eric Draven]

I don't really know how much of his old self they can go back to though, especially now that he's much bigger than he used to be.

I mean look at the Dudleys when they were in ECW compared to when they were in WWE. Totally toned down....

[Sarge 2.0]

I don't really know how much of his old self they can go back to though, especially now that he's much bigger than he used to be.

I mean look at the Dudleys when they were in ECW compared to when they were in WWE. Totally toned down....Their current run in TNA is the epitome of watered down. :(

[Sabretooth]

They'd probably acknowledge it if he would just turn heel.

As for him going back to his old ways,I think it'd work just fine. They need to let Cena come up with his own raps though. You can tell bookers are doing them nowadays because the best they can come up with is how gay Cena's opponent is.

[Mister J]

It seems the good fellows over at Wikipedia refuse to acknowledge the backlash Cena is recieving. I'm trying my best to remain objective and civil, so we'll see how it turns out.

At least they mentioned some instances of booing, which is more than I thought. They also talk about a possible double turn. I thought about that after Raw this week, but quickly brushed it off. I don't see Triple H going face.

[Sarge 2.0]

At least mentioned some instances of booing. They also talk about a possible double turn. I thought about that after Raw this week, but quickly brushed it off. I don't see Triple H going face.That was part of my edit that was reverted after some jackass decided to delete the entire section would "punish" those who acknowledged the booing. The feud with Triple H section is mostly mine.

[Mister J]

They push that whole 'neutrality' crap too far over there. Good stuff, Sarge. Preach the truth.

[Sabretooth]

Their current run in TNA is the epitome of watered down. :(
I honestly don't like how the Dudleys are at TNA. Their just another example of how WWE stars took over Impact.Brother Ray talks too damn much,let D-Von say something other than ''Oh my brother testify!!!11111''


And because of them,I hardly see the Naturals anymore.:mad:

[Sarge 2.0]

They need to realise that only showing the good side of things does not equal objectivity.

[Sarge 2.0]

I honestly don't like how the Dudleys are at TNA. Their just another example of how WWE stars took over Impact.Brother Ray talks too damn much,let D-Von say something other than ''Oh my brother testify!!!11111''


And because of them,I hardly see the Naturals anymore.:mad:I'm just frustrated with their characters. This whole uber babyface TNA blue collar loyalist thing is irritating to no end.

[Eric Draven]

Their current run in TNA is the epitome of watered down. :(

Even their WWE run was pretty watered down. Watching some of the stuff they did in ECW, it just totally made their entire tenure in WWE look lame in comparison....

[Sarge 2.0]

Even their WWE run was pretty watered down. Watching some of the stuff they did in ECW, it just totally made their entire tenure in WWE look lame in comparison....At least in WWE they had the feud with the Hardy Boyz and Edge and Christian to make up for the less than edgy characters. Now the feuds/matches TNA run are predictable and boring. :(

[Eric Draven]

At least they mentioned some instances of booing, which is more than I thought. They also talk about a possible double turn. I thought about that after Raw this week, but quickly brushed it off. I don't see Triple H going face.

He might. He's getting quite a few cheers, even during his feuds with Flair and Show. The WWE might be backed into too much of a corner to continue having Trips stay as a heel....

[Sabretooth]

I'm guessing Wikipedia is like that because if you see stuff about other wrestlers,they barely talk about audience reactions. The only other time I saw them acknowledge the fans' lack of enthusiasm was Sting's unsuccessful attempt of turning heel a few years ago.

[Hunter Rider]

Sarge,linkipoo's to thei little war please:O

[Sarge 2.0]

He might. He's getting quite a few cheers, even during his feuds with Flair and Show. The WWE might be backed into too much of a corner to continue having Trips stay as a heel....I don't think it really matters. His character is a much better heel, and if he turns face, he'll just be protecting his top face spot from guys like RVD, so it will be the same thing as his heel run, but with a worse character.

[Eric Draven]

At least in WWE they had the feud with the Hardy Boyz and Edge and Christian to make up for the less than edgy characters. Now the feuds/matches TNA run are predictable and boring. :(

Yeah, but they were still bland-as-hell heels in WWE. They had to be watered-down. I mean they couldn't say the same **** they said in ECW. Similar to how they probably can't get Cena to say the same stuff he said two or three years ago now.....

[Sarge 2.0]

Sarge,linkipoo's to thei little war please:OHere's the article:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Cena

Click the "Discussion" tab to see all the arguing going on.

[Eric Draven]

I don't think it really matters. His character is a much better heel, and if he turns face, he'll just be protecting his top face spot from guys like RVD, so it will be the same thing as his heel run, but with a worse character.

He can still act pretty much like he normally does, it's just that Cena would act more like his old self, ripping into fans and everyone in general. I'm just saying that's something they should at least consider for WM 22 just to salvage this entire mess.

[Sarge 2.0]

Yeah, but they were still bland-as-hell heels in WWE. They had to be watered-down. I mean they couldn't say the same **** they said in ECW. Similar to how they probably can't get Cena to say the same stuff he said two or three years ago now.....That happened to every ECW guy that wasn't RVD, unfortunately. :(

Look what they did to Raven, Tommy Dreamer, and the like. Boooring. :(

WWE should never have touched ECW or its wrestlers.

[Sabretooth]

Yeah, but they were still bland-as-hell heels in WWE. They had to be watered-down. I mean they couldn't say the same **** they said in ECW. Similar to how they probably can't get Cena to say the same stuff he said two or three years ago now.....
Yeah. Didn't the FCC tell him to crack down on his raps too?

[Sarge 2.0]

He can still act pretty much like he normally does, it's just that Cena would act more like his old self, ripping into fans and everyone in general. I'm just saying that's something they should at least consider for WM 22 just to salvage this entire mess.If there is a double turn, who knows how it will turn out in the ensuing weeks...I mean, they've already got one strike from the whole taking the title off of Edge thing. If they screw up their second attempt at saving the title scene by turning Cena heel, they'll be scraping the bottom of the barrel. It could be kind of risky.

[Eric Draven]

If there is a double turn, who knows how it will turn out in the ensuing weeks...I mean, they've already got one strike from the whole taking the title off of Edge thing. If they screw up their second attempt at saving the title scene by turning Cena heel, they'll be scraping the bottom of the barrel. It could be kind of risky.

It might be better than going into Wrestlemania with Cena as the face getting mercilessly booed while the heel of the match is getting cheered on, which might necessitate a double turn anyways ala the Hart-Austin match at WM13....

[Sarge 2.0]

It might be better than going into Wrestlemania with Cena as the face getting mercilessly booed while the heel of the match is getting cheered on, which might necessitate a double turn anyways ala the Hart-Austin match at WM13....As long as they don't mess with the aftermath, I'll be all for it. If Cena says something to the effect of "**** all of you, I'm keeping my title!" and proceed to insult everyone and their mother for the next five months or so, I'll be happy

[Eric Draven]

As long as they don't mess with the aftermath, I'll be all for it. If Cena says something to the effect of "**** all of you, I'm keeping my title!" and proceed to insult everyone and their mother for the next five months or so, I'll be happy

That's exactly what I want to hear off of Cena. Just turn his back on the fans. Say that the title means more to him than anything else.

Come to think of it, all this kind of reminds me of Hart-Austin. I mean Austin was the mega-heel before WM, but fans were cheering for him over Hart, who was the face at the time :D

[Sabretooth]

That's exactly what I want to hear off of Cena. Just turn his back on the fans. Say that the title means more to him than anything else.

Come to think of it, all this kind of reminds me of Hart-Austin. I mean Austin was the mega-heel before WM, but fans were cheering for him over Hart, who was the face at the time :D
Only difference is that Cena doesn't get cheered in Canada like Bret did.:p

[Sarge 2.0]

Having him be the selfish champ is much better than this sad excuse for a babyface. Let's hope Vince finally gets his head out of his ass.

[Sabretooth]

Having him be the selfish champ is much better than this sad excuse for a babyface. Let's hope Vince finally gets his head out of his ass.
Judging from last week's Raw,it seems all he cares about is his ass.:(

[Sarge 2.0]

I don't even think he was in character...I think he really is that obsessed with having men kiss his ass. :(

[Hunter Rider]

Here's the article:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Cena

Click the "Discussion" tab to see all the arguing going on.
WOW that night bringer guy is in denial,"you couldn't tell if they were booing" and I also heard the Cena Rocks" chants:eek: http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif

Also he needs cluing in on the fact that 5 moves of doom is NOT a compliment

[TheVileOne]

I think that JBL has to win against Benoit, if not then Smackdown will have no real BIG TIME HEEL characters on there show with a great reputation. Now I am not saying I want JBL to win, but I think he will win for that very reason.

They have Randy Orton, Booker T, JBL.

[nite-owl]

Reading all this stuff about the dudley's in ecw reminds me how much I miss Joel Gertner.:( :up:

[NDX]

Credit: Pro Wrestling Torch

Last week it was being reported on WWE’s website that they had released Tank Tolland and Chad Wicks (The *****). It’s being said that the main reason they were released was because of a fight between Tolland and Wicks.

Reports indicate that Wicks were being constantly ribbed and hazed by a number of SmackDown! wrestlers including JBL, Chris Benoit and The Undertaker. Wicks handled the ribbing poorly, and he'd often complain about it, which lead to even more ribbing.

Tolland felt that Wicks' constant complaining would put their jobs in jeopardy. Just recently, the tag team partners had a physical altercation as Tolland punched Wicks. The fight put WWE management in a sticky situation because they couldn't possibly justify firing the wrestler who was punched and not the wrestler who did the punching. And thus, WWE decided to just release the both of them.

Tolland and Wicks will be going their separate ways on the indy scene.

[Sarge 2.0]

WOW that night bringer guy is in denial,"you couldn't tell if they were booing" and I also heard the Cena Rocks" chants:eek: http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif

Also he needs cluing in on the fact that 5 moves of doom is NOT a complimentYeah, and he say's that I'm the one with a bias. :rolleyes::o

[The FallenAngel]

On Wikipedia: I hate those guys over there. I made an account and not two minutes later they banned me. All I did was fix some stuff and try to add a picture and edit the Chris Hero section, and some guy banned me and didn't even give a reason. They all must be friggin' Cena marks over there. :down

On Trips/Cena: I really think they need to salvage this whole thing by making it a double turn. At least, just for a little while. Let's face it, HHH is, and probably always will be the top heel on Raw until he decides to retire. I'm going to assume WWE really wants to keep Cena as one of their top guys, but in order to do that, they need to bring him back to the way he was. He can't be that way and be a face. So, I say what the hell, make Cena heel and have him turn his back on the fans so he can get some credibility, and have Trips go through a little face run as champ, before going heel again. That way, since they like Cena so much over there, they can have Trips as the eventual number one heel again, but only after Cena gets some big time heat, and have him be second or third heel to Edge.

[Bad Superman]

Maybe Cena should be repackaged to a mix of his Prototype gimmick with the rapper. Can you imagine him doing the robot dance and rapping at the same time? :D

[SLYspyder]

This is what John Cena needs to go back to (WARNING: Possibly vulgar remarks in here,may not be the best thing to watch at work)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Uh61QVbii9U&search=John%20Cena



http://youtube.com/watch?v=1tH8uFwJtWQ&search=John%20Cena


http://youtube.com/watch?v=sgCldbHsCeI&search=John%20Cena

wow, i'm already a Cena mark again just from watching those videos. reminds me of the good times. the belt needs to come off him, he's at his best going after the belt.
or turn him heel and switch him to smackdown.

[LastSunrise1981]

Maybe Cena should be repackaged to a mix of his Prototype gimmick with the rapper. Can you imagine him doing the robot dance and rapping at the same time? :D

Don't give the WWE writers any ideas please. :(

[Hunter Rider]

Vader vs Kenta Kobashi-2.27.2000-Excite series Triple Crown unified heavyweight title match-328 MB


http://www.megaupload.com/?d=XN14Q3GI

Everyone should download this:) :up:

[Twitch]

Hey HR, do you have any KENTA singles (basically not tag matches)

Much thanks

[Sabretooth]

Credit: Pro Wrestling Torch

Last week it was being reported on WWE’s website that they had released Tank Tolland and Chad Wicks (The *****). It’s being said that the main reason they were released was because of a fight between Tolland and Wicks.

Reports indicate that Wicks were being constantly ribbed and hazed by a number of SmackDown! wrestlers including JBL, Chris Benoit and The Undertaker. Wicks handled the ribbing poorly, and he'd often complain about it, which lead to even more ribbing.

Tolland felt that Wicks' constant complaining would put their jobs in jeopardy. Just recently, the tag team partners had a physical altercation as Tolland punched Wicks. The fight put WWE management in a sticky situation because they couldn't possibly justify firing the wrestler who was punched and not the wrestler who did the punching. And thus, WWE decided to just release the both of them.

Tolland and Wicks will be going their separate ways on the indy scene.
I wonder what the other wrestlers were saying about him.:confused:

[Sarge 2.0]

I wonder what the other wrestlers were saying about him.:confused:Probably just messing with them because of their gimmick. It doesn't really suprise me anyway, because of the nature of the locker room. Kind of like a frat.

[Eric Draven]

I bet they were making fun of his chippendales gimmick.....

[Sarge 2.0]

I hope they never watched any of their matches with Tazz's commentary intact. If some lockeroom hazing made them get all huffy, I can't imagine what Tazz's dick jokes would do.

[Eric Draven]

I don't think the ***** had it bad actually. I mean the Johnsons gimmick was much, much worse.

[Sarge 2.0]

Yeah, so did Bastion Booger, Beaver Cleavage and the like. On the surface, you could just dismiss the ***** as a Chippendale's parody...it's the innuendo's (on and offscreen) that probably did it for them.

[Sarge 2.0]

March 2nd: Ring Of Honor has parted ways with Jay Lethal and Azrieal. Both departures were amicable and either could return at any time. This is a result of ROH making some roster changes. Do not believe all the internet reports. We want to thank both for their contributions to ROH. We expect Lethal and Azrieal to both have very successful careers and wish them the best.:(:(:(

[The FallenAngel]

Wow, that sucks. I hope Lethal will eventually return to ROH. At least we can still see him in TNA.

[Sarge 2.0]

It sucks worse that they just have to cast aside his feud with Joe, which kicked ass.

[The FallenAngel]

That was pretty much coming to an end anyway. They had a grudge match at the last show, which Joe won in like 15 minutes.

[Sarge 2.0]

If they recreate it in some form in TNA, I'll be happy.

[The FallenAngel]

I'd like to see that. Lethal's gettin' a push now anyways.

[Hunter Rider]

Hey HR, do you have any KENTA singles (basically not tag matches)

Much thanks

http://www.sendspace.com/file/6332d5

KENTA v Terry


http://rapidshare.de/files/11726483/KENTAvsMarufuji.wmv.html


KENTA vs Marufuji

[White_Howling]

wow, i'm already a Cena mark again just from watching those videos. reminds me of the good times. the belt needs to come off him, he's at his best going after the belt.
or turn him heel and switch him to smackdown.


I'm with you.. hea much bettter heel than a face

[Eklypze]

Reading all this stuff about the dudley's in ecw reminds me how much I miss Joel Gertner.:( :up:

that is the smartest thing that ive ever seen in this thread

[NDX]

I'd like to see that. Lethal's gettin' a push now anyways.

I still want Lethal to be the one to dethrone Joe.

[Hunter Rider]

http://www.wrestlingobserver.com/wo/news/headlines/default.asp?aID=15653

3/2/2006 3:06:00 PM

Dan Wahlers looks at the Cena vs. HHH dynamic
Why The HHH/Cena Segment on Raw Didn’t Work

njguy316@yahoo.com

We’re into the month of March now, and Wrestlemania will take place one month from tonight on April 2nd in Chicago. This is the show that WWE spends the entire year building to. It’s “The Super Bowl of Wrestling”, “The Grand Daddy Of Them All; and all those other marketing slogans we’ve had drummed into our head over the years. It’s certainly the biggest US wrestling show of the year. Regardless of the card WWE puts out, the show will sell a tremendous amount of PPV buys based on the name “Wrestlemania” alone. That is a fact. Although if you look at the card they have announced so far, and the matches that are projected for the show, I have a hard time imaging them coming anywhere near last year’s show that came close to doing one million buys. On paper this is the weakest looking Wrestlemania in ten years.

Today I’m going to focus on one match in particular, and that’s the one where you have John Cena defending the WWE Title against The King of Kings, Jesus Lord Almighty himself, Triple H. That is the one match that was planned a year ago that is actually taking place this year. They’ve had an entire year to come up with a way to market this match as something special to the masses. Cena and HHH have not touched each other on TV for an entire year. During that year Cena was pushed as the top star on Smackdown, and later Raw. He came out on top in feuds with JBL, Chris Jericho, Kurt Angle, and Edge among others. HHH kept himself busy feuding with Batista into the summer, and later Ric Flair and Big Show in undercard matches. Both guys were protected in every way possible. On the surface they’ve done everything necessary to make this match seem like a big match. But why doesn’t it feel like a big match? There are a few important reasons why.

Take a look at what happened this past Monday on Raw. It was on display for all to see. John Cena got booed out of the building in Washington DC, as he did in Trenton, NJ the previous week, and as he has been in numerous venues along the way in the past few months. There is a problem with the Cena character connecting with the fans. Even the biggest WWE optimist can’t ignore it anymore. It’s no longer just a coincidence. It’s a problem that needs to be addressed. You can’t have your top babyface getting booed out of the building every week. It doesn’t look good for the company in the least. I feel bad for John Cena too. He seems like he’s trying hard, and it appears he’s made a concerted effort to work on his in-ring skills. You definitely can’t fault the heart and passion he has for what he does. But for some reason, his character is not connecting with a large portion of WWE’s audience. That’s problem number one.

What can they do? They could turn him heel, and lose the money he makes from all the merchandise he sells. Personally, I think that would be the best thing for him. Turn him heel for a time, and let him gain back the cocky edge he had to his character when he was a heel. It worked for The Rock back in 1997 when the fans were booing him as a sugary babyface. They turned him heel, and when the fans were ready, they turned him back face, and he went on to become one of the most popular and successful performers in WWE history. John Cena’s character is stale right now, much like Rock’s was back in 1997. But for some reason, WWE insists on fighting with the fans about this, and stubbornly pushing their vision of what John Cena is. I know a Cena heel turn is not likely to happen, since HHH doesn’t want any competition at all for the top heel spot in the company. We know that after the way Edge was shoved back down to the midcard, despite a noticeable increase in Raw ratings while he was champion. The numbers don’t lie. When Edge won the WWE Title from John Cena at New Year’s Revolution, the ratings went up, and stayed up for the entire month of January. They had the chance to make Edge the real breakout star of the year. He was the first wrestler in a long time to affect the ratings in such a positive way. But instead he’s been pushed into a secondary feud with Mick Foley that no one really cares about. Not coincidentally, the ratings for Raw have come back down in the last two weeks to the levels they were at before Edge won the title. So another one of the reasons why no one cares about HHH/Cena, is we’ve seen it all before. We know how the story ends. I said my piece about John Cena, but if you thought Triple H was getting off the hook here, you’re dead wrong.

Here is Cena getting booed like nobody’s business on Raw, and out comes Triple H. As the number one heel that he’s supposed to be does he try to turn Cena’s heel heat onto himself like a good professional would do? Nope, not even close. If anything HHH seemed to be greatly amused by the reaction Cena was getting. Several times it looked like was on the verge of laughing hysterically. He didn’t do one thing to help him either. He completely hung Cena out to dry. Would the crowd have stopped booing Cena if HHH tried to heel on them? Probably not, but he could have at least made an attempt. It’s what a heel is supposed to do. HHH should know that being the “student of the game” that he is. HHH isn’t interested in being your typical heel. He wants to be the cool heel, the guy that tells everyone how great he is, and then tells everyone how much his opponent sucks. He actually said that Cena is a bad wrestler. He told everyone that the man he’s fighting at Wrestlemania in a match they would like people to pay to see is a bad wrestler. I can’t make this stuff up.

I’m sorry, maybe I missed the promo where Ric Flair called Sting a bad wrestler. Or the one where Steve Austin told The Rock that he sucked. You know why you never heard anything like that? Because those guys are professionals, and they actually cared about making their opponents look good. That’s how you sell people on a match. You make it seem like your opponent has a legitimate chance to beat you. You don’t sell it by telling people that your opponent is a joke, and he’s a ****ty wrestler. Whether it’s true or not, and Cena isn’t Lou Thesz, but he’s far from the worst, you don’t come out and say it when you’re trying to sell one of the main events of Wrestlemania. I don’t know why this is so hard to understand. I’ve never been in the wrestling business, or booked one wrestling match, and I get this. How come these people in WWE don’t? It’s really not a hard concept. Especially knowing how the crowd has been reacting to Cena lately. They have gone to extraordinary, sometimes laughable lengths to protect Cena in recent months; such as the lame storyline with Kurt Angle insulting the troops, which nobody bought for a second, and booking Cena to save Ric Flair in Charlotte. I don’t know why they wouldn’t try to do that this time, given that Cena is on the verge of the biggest match of his young career.

I’m not a John Cena fan, but he didn’t deserve to be treated the way he was on Monday by Triple H. Some people will probably write me and say I need to lighten up, and that HHH was just trying to build heat for the match. Well that would be fine and good if that’s what he were actually doing. But he wasn’t, and if you honestly believe he was, then you must be really naïve. There are ways to get heat on a wrestling match, and blatantly making a mockery of your opponent is not one of them. It would be one thing if it were in the context of a storyline, but that’s not what this was. HHH was out there laughing with the fans at Cena with his little smart “shoot” comments trying to be above it all. He was trying to be the cool man on campus. It was like HHH was the face and Cena was the heel. He was basically saying Cena is a joke, and that his 10 month reign as World Champion was a joke as well. If Cena is such a bad wrestler, and he’s such a joke, why would anyone want to pay one cent to watch him face HHH? See the problem there?

This was one massive ego trip by HHH. He’s going to beat Cena for the title at Mania, and make sure to step on him as much as possible on the way down. It’s always funny to me how HHH’s opponents always have to kiss his ass, and put him over, and he gets to say whatever he wants about them. It makes me want to puke. “HHH is the greatest wrestler alive. HHH has beaten all the top names in the industry. HHH walks on water.” He made a joke about how Cena’s big move was pumping up his sneakers. This from a guy whose big move is drinking water, and spitting into the crowd. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. This segment on Monday had a chance to really draw some interest into a feud that needs it, and instead all it did was reaffirm what we already knew. Triple H is only out for himself and nobody else. He only cares that he gets over, and people look at him as a big star. Everyone else can fend for themselves. It’s not his job to help anyone else. It’s the other wrestler’s job to get themselves over. We’ve heard this company line from people like HHH when talking about guys complaining about their pushes. HHH says it’s their job to create their own push. How can someone create their own push if they’re never booked on television, or if they are lucky to be booked it’s in a three-minute match that they lose? That’s the reality of the situation, it’s not the made up fantasy world that The McMahon family lives in.

Every time I think HHH has finally turned over a new leaf, he goes ahead and reminds me why I despise him so much. He had the balls to blame Kurt Angle for John Cena getting booed during their recent feud. At least Angle tried to do his job as a heel, and turn the boos onto him. The same thing Chris Jericho did last summer, as well as Edge very recently. They were heels, and they tried to do their jobs as heels. In some cases it worked, and in some cases it didn’t. At least they tried. HHH didn’t even bother trying on Monday. Cena was dying out there, and all HHH did was twist the knife a little deeper. In the process, he did nothing to make people care about one of the main events at Wrestlemania. Why should people care about a match where they already know the outcome? At least with the Smackdown main event, there is actually some mystery. Will Orton win? Will Mysterio win? Will Angle retain? There is no mystery or intrigue in HHH/Cena. It’s the same routine we’ve already seen a thousand times, and the same one we will see a thousand more.

Speaking of routines I’m tired of, I wonder what the network execs over at USA Network thought when they saw Vince McMahon, the owner of WWE, parading around the ring in a thong with his pants down around his ankles this past Monday on Raw. I bet they were real proud to have that wrestling package on their network again. Imagine what any normal, sane human being would think if they saw that. They would say, "What the hell are you watching this for?" It’s no wonder wrestling is thought of so poorly by the vast majority of the general public. People call wrestling a circus, and I’m beginning to think that’s an insult to people who work in the circus. When you go to a circus, the clowns don’t juggle without any pants on. Often times I try to defend wrestling, and why I watch it. But after something like that, there is no defense. I was embarrassed to be a wrestling fan on Monday, a feeling Vince McMahon has made me feel more times than I would care to remember over the years.

Feedback is welcomed at the address below. Thanks for reading. See you next week.

You can reach me at: njguy316@yahoo.com

Dan Wahlers

[Hunter Rider]

Credit: PWInsider

-- Renee Dupree and Bob Holly both missed the recent backstage meeting about the new drug testing policy. While Dupree isn't really that big of a deal, many people are wondering why Bob Holly hasn't been around as much lately.

-- The wrestlers who went on the trip to the Philippines had a really brutal trip over there, with over 24 hours of travel.

-- There is talk backstage that Dalip "Giant" Singh will be making some sort of appearance at WrestleMania 22, and there is also talk of him doing a program with Matt Hardy at house shows after WretleMania.

[NDX]

Wasn't there a news article about a month back stating that Holly has been undergoing a series of surgerys recently, keeping him from wrestling?

And what is the point of a Singh/Hardy feud, other than to continually punish, and possibly end the career of, Matt Hardy?

[Mister J]

Great article HR. We all expected Cena to go down in flames leading to Mania anyway, but like I said after Raw, I didn't think it would be that bad that soon. Maybe people wanna see Cena get his butt kicked and that's the allure of the PPV (though I won't be buying it). To borrow a line from baseball, that's just Triple H being Triple H.

[Hunter Rider]

Great article HR. We all expected Cena to go down in flames leading to Mania anyway, but like I said after Raw, I didn't think it would be that bad that soon. Maybe people wanna see Cena get his butt kicked and that's the allure of the PPV (though I won't be buying it). To broow a line from baseball, that's just Triple H being Triple H.

I have no real issue with Cena getting buried as I'm not a fan but it is unprofessional and unfortunately the stuff about him wanting no competition as top heel is bad for the company

http://rapidshare.de/files/8524634/NOAH_-_Kenta_Kobashi___Go_Shiosaki_vs_Katsuhiko_Nakajima ___Kensuke_Sasaki.wmv.html (http://rapidshare.de/files/8524634/NOAH_-_Kenta_Kobashi___Go_Shiosaki_vs_Katsuhiko_Nakajima ___Kensuke_Sasaki.wmv.html)

Check this guys,great match:up:

[Hunter Rider]

From WWE.com (http://www.wwe.com/inside/news/mjwwe):

World Wrestling Entertainment has broken all professional ties with Marty Jannetty.


:( :down

[Super_Ludacris]

Marty Jannetty was back? When? I haven't seen son since 95

[Mister J]

From WWE.com (http://www.wwe.com/inside/news/mjwwe):

World Wrestling Entertainment has broken all professional ties with Marty Jannetty.
:( :down

Seriously, they might as well just auction off a month's worth of WWE booking on eBay.

[Hunter Rider]

Seriously, they might as well just auction off a month's worth of WWE booking on eBay.
Yeah and it kills any hope of that garbage Shawn/Vince match being re booked

Marty Jannetty was back? When? I haven't seen son since 95

He came back 2 weeks ago and then was on RAW on Monday
he also did a RAW and SD last year about this time prior to the Angle/Michael's Mania match

[Super_Ludacris]

I aint been watching Wrestling since like December or something

[punishermax]

KKKKKIIIIIIILLLLLLLLLLLSSSSSSSWWWWWWWWIIIIIITTTTTT CCCCCHHHHH.

Okay, so Orton has a new theme by KSE, ****ing awesome.

[hotrain33]

The network in Chicago has premted smackdown to air the high school basketball tournament untill 10:00pm. Whats going on now on smackdown.

[Sarge 2.0]

Digging Orton's new music, although I hope he reverts back to the old one eventually.

[Twitch]

Digging Orton's new music, although I hope he reverts back to the old one eventually.

I prefer him using the Evolution theme :up:

[punishermax]

The old Evolution theme would be the best song for him I think.

[TheVileOne]

That was an awesome piece on page 699 by Dan Wahlers. I pretty much agreed with everything he said.

[Capt Throbberson]

And what is the point of a Singh/Hardy feud, other than to continually punish, and possibly end the career of, Matt Hardy?
None, I don't get the point of re-hiring Hardy if they're just going to have him job to everyone

[DOG LIPS]

"You suck!" while holding a huge Kurt Angle poster. :O His catch phrase is odd, but funny.

[Eric Draven]

From WWE.com (http://www.wwe.com/inside/news/mjwwe):

World Wrestling Entertainment has broken all professional ties with Marty Jannetty.


:( :down

**** :(

Did he get arrested again? Or was his appearance like a pay-per appearance? :confused:


**** :(

[Colossal Spoons]

What a ****ty ending to an awesome match.

[Hunter Rider]

**** :(

Did he get arrested again? Or was his appearance like a pay-per appearance? :confused:


**** :(

From what I'm hearing he made another mistake and got fired as he was supposed to make further appearances in the angle but there are no details yet:(

[Sarge 2.0]

From what I'm hearing he made another mistake and got fired as he was supposed to make further appearances in the angle but there are no details yet:(God dammit, Marty. :(
Leads me to wonder how his life is going at this point...this angle could've been pretty good. :(

[Hunter Rider]

God dammit, Marty. :(
Leads me to wonder how his life is going at this point...this angle could've been pretty good. :(

his part was the only part of the angle i found bearable:(



Source: WrestlingObserver.com

Marty Jannetty was scheduled for RAW on Monday this week and will now not be appearing.

According to sources, Jannetty once again screwed up at the wrong time.

Jannetty is not expected to return to the company and the angle involving him that was planned for Monday's show is off.

Jannetty had been brought in to enhance the Shawn Michaels/McMahon angle. Jannetty has "battled his personal demons" in the past and was looking to try to redeem himself.

[Sarge 2.0]

his part was the only part of the angle i found bearable:(



Source: WrestlingObserver.com

Marty Jannetty was scheduled for RAW on Monday this week and will now not be appearing.

According to sources, Jannetty once again screwed up at the wrong time.

Jannetty is not expected to return to the company and the angle involving him that was planned for Monday's show is off.

Jannetty had been brought in to enhance the Shawn Michaels/McMahon angle. Jannetty has "battled his personal demons" in the past and was looking to try to redeem himself.He added actual emotion and weight to the storyline...what did he do that ****ed it up that bad?

[Eric Draven]

Was it the whole cracking up during the kiss my ass part?


Or drugs again?

:confused:

Man, I don't know who's worse off, Jake the Snake or Jannetty :(

[The FallenAngel]

Any of you guys catch the name of Randy's new theme?

[The Ghoul]

FFUUCCKK YEAH KILLSWITCH.

Also, I am really digging Pirate Paul. We all know he's good in the ring & his segment tonight was nothing short of charming. Esspecially how the gimmick is the fact it's a stupid gimmick.

[Lone Wolf]

The Angle and Taker rematch was great, until Henry had to come and **** it all up.

[The FallenAngel]

FFUUCCKK YEAH KILLSWITCH.

Also, I am really digging Pirate Paul. We all know he's good in the ring & his segment tonight was nothing short of charming. Esspecially how the gimmick is the fact it's a stupid gimmick.Is his new theme a song done by them previously or is it a new thing just for Randy?

[Sabretooth]

The Angle and Taker rematch was great, until Henry had to come and **** it all up.
Indeed.


Also not sure about Randy's new music. I could barely hear it over all of the boos during his entrance.

[Colossal Spoons]

I didn't want Kurt to lose but that ending is not what I had in mind.

[The FallenAngel]

Angle/Taker was awesome from what I saw of it. I was also giggling like a little girl when Taker pulled off that sweet dragon sleeper. I haven't seen him do that move since WM 21. The ending, however, was crappy. It even looked like Henry was scared to jump.

[Lone Wolf]

Indeed.


Also not sure about Randy's new music. I could barely hear it over all of the boos during his entrance.

Ortons new theme sounded more like words being mumbled.

[The Ghoul]

Is his new theme a song done by them previously or is it a new thing just for Randy?

I couldn't tell what song it was but it sounded awesome. They said it was for their next WWE/music crossover cd, so it may be new. But since that was Killswitch, does this mean it's a straight up metal cd? God, I hope So I'm not forced to buying another non wrestling related WWE product that sucks worse than sweating action figures.

As for Marty: Since there is no reason yet, no "we wiish him best... blah blah Im talking out my ass" & since (kayfabe) Shawn screwed up the atrosity to television that is mcmahon's ass... You think this is a work?