Wrestling

[Sabretooth]

Most horror flicks do decent enough at the box office. I don't think anyone is expecting this to do better than the Titanic,but I think the trailer alone will get some slasher fans and teenagers who have nothing else to do to go see it.

[punishermax]

^
Exactly, slasher flicks rarely bomb because their budgest are usually small enough to where they can make most of their budget back in the first or second weekend. Just go to your local video store, I can garauntee that more than half the low budget flicks there are horror movies, because they can be shot with next to nothing. That's why studios will always make horror movies. Whether the WWE made the movie or not, it's a slasher flick, teens will see the movie, and it will make it's money back in the Box Office alone, therefore, this movie is pretty much protected from bombing.

[BlackSymbiote]

Anyone know where I can download full shows and matches? I like to make wrestling music videos and the site I usually get them from has been down for a week.

[citizenpain]

Hart says he will not appear at WrestleMania 22, saying he will be at the Hall of Fame Ceremony and will then fly out of Chicago on Sunday (the day of WM22). He added that he knows WWE will try to convince him to work the show but that he won't. Interestingly enough, Hart says he has not signed the contract WWE sent him about even showing up at the Hall of Fame Ceremony and again stated that he is not being paid to appear.

damn, that's hella lame... i hope bret is just trying to fool us all, because as soon as i saw that he was being inducted into the hall of fame, i was like "yes! that means he's gonna be at mania!!" and now he says he won't. well, i hope he's either lying or changes his mind.

--Also confirmed at this meeting is that Ric Flair will win the Money In The Bank Match, however, RVD will still challenge the wwe champion at One Night Stand II.

WHA? damn it. just the other day my friend and i were talking about the match and he said ric flair is gonna win it, and i had just said that triple h is gonna beat cena... so now it's all starting to make sense... flair is gonna beat triple h for one last run with the world title. can it be? possibly? damn. i still want RVD to win but if he ends up with a title shot anyway, i guess it's all good.

--Tajiri has agreed to appear at this year’s ECW One Night Stand PPV.

whoo!! good news indeed. i remember seeing tajiri's last match a while ago and it wasn't it on heat? that's kinda sad. but sad times are over cuz tajiri is coming back to the place that made me love him so much. does anybody know when the tickets go on sale for 1 night stand? i think i'm gonna go find out now...

[The Apatow Crew]

Most horror flicks do decent enough at the box office. I don't think anyone is expecting this to do better than the Titanic,but I think the trailer alone will get some slasher fans and teenagers who have nothing else to do to go see it.hey that pg-13 horror movie stat alive made about 12 mill this week so i'm sure the kane movie qill atleast make that and i'm sure its r rated so it wight make less or more.

[Savage]

The movie has an 8 million dollar budget. If it doesn't make it's money back then it has literally reached all new levels of suck.

[Eric Draven]

WWE isn't as popular as it once was. Maybe if this movie came out in 99 or 2000 then it'd make more money, however, I definitely don't feel it's going to make a strong buzz at the box office.

Not really a strong buzz, but the movie will most likely break even. Never underestimate the power of WWE fans. Hell, it's probably why Stacy Keibler stuck around so long in Dancing With Stars.....

[Eric Draven]

After what Randy did to Rey on Friday, he just got bumped up a few dozen notches in my book.

Yeah, Randy is using the perfect heel psychology for his match at WM. I've been totally impressed with him for the past couple of months.

[Eric Draven]

Oh for the love of God, let it go man.

HBK even said if Bret doesn't want him there he won't be there. If you ask me Bret is being a bit immature and won't let go.


Yeah, I read about this part and I was just surprised at how willing Shawn is to make sure Bret doesn't skip out on the HOF. Maybe he has matured after-all :confused:

[NDX]

Former ECW wrestler Axl Rotten has been reported missing. A close friend of Axl Rotten said that no one has heard from Rotten in over a month.
(This is not good. Just last night I was talking to "Low Life" Louie Ramos about his matches with Axl.)

EDIT: We have received word that at the IWA Mid-South show over the weekend, Ian Rotten and Jim Fannin both did commentary stating that Axl Rotten has been found, and is currently in rehab.

April Hunter and six other female wrestlers from Carmen Electra's Naked Women's Wrestling League recently took part in a photoshoot for Penthouse Magazine. The photoshoot took place in a wrestling ring in the NWWL building. The photos will be revealed in the August or September issue.
(I know what I'm going to get. Just wish Aprik Hunter was there last night.)

WWE Cruiserweight Champion Gregory Helms is too injured to wrestle at Wrestlemania and thus there won't be any cruiserweight championship match on the card unless things change.
(Well, crap.)

[Savage]

...wow...that Axl Rotten news sucks...:(

[BlackSymbiote]

Hell, it's probably why Stacy Keibler stuck around so long in Dancing With Stars.....

Of course it wasn't the fact that she was also good.

But then, Master P stuck around a lot longer than he should have.

[LastSunrise1981]

...wow...that Axl Rotten news sucks...:(

I just read on Wikipedia that he has been found and is currently in rehab.

[Savage]

LOL! Jesus that was quick. :D

[NDX]

LOL! Jesus that was quick. :D

I put that in an edit of my innitial post about an hour back.

I'm a bit surprised he's in rehab. Never seemed out of it during the shows I've seen him at. Balls, on the other hand... :D

[Capt Throbberson]

http://ironsheikhateslesbians.ytmnd.com/

[Colossal Spoons]

^Um, haha.

[Hunter Rider]

Seriously Bret is such a mark for himself it's sad:(

Kane as World champion sucks,he phones it in every week,he sandbagged Carlito last week and is nowhere near Shows level and SD doesn't need that big slug,at least on RAW there isn't much to ruin but I'd prefer Cena stay champ than have his ugly,lazy ass as champ:(

[Jason Blood]

The Grudge made money because the whole "Japanese Remakes in America" fad is going on strong right now, and Saw was soething people haven't seen, or atleast most people haven't seen yet. I'm guessing it'll make somewhere between 12-15 million at the box office, anything over 20 and I'll be surprised.

I doubt that anyone that actually went to see it because it was made in japan first


I finally got Gregory Helms theme :D

[Eklypze]

i just saw the monday night war dvd for the first time the other night and when it shows the Bret Shawn match from survivors series you can clearly see that Shawn was pissed off when he heard the bell ring and you can cleary see him say "What the ****!!" as he gets out of the ring so i think it is very stupid about Brets recent comments about if Shawn is at the Hall of Fame ceremony Bret just needs to forgive Shawn

[Mister J]

i just saw the monday night war dvd for the first time the other night and when it shows the Bret Shawn match from survivors series you can clearly see that Shawn was pissed off when he heard the bell ring and you can cleary see him say "What the ****!!" as he gets out of the ring so i think it is very stupid about Brets recent comments about if Shawn is at the Hall of Fame ceremony Bret just needs to forgive Shawn

Shawn was acting and has admitted so a number of times.

If Bret wants to hold a grudge, I don't really see a problem. Just because a number of years have passed doesn't make it (the Screwjob) OK. It's possible for someone to move past something and still not pretend like it never happened. He and Michaels had longstanding issues before Montreal. Regardless of whether Shawn has made of changes in his life since then, it doesn't mean Bret has to embrace him. It's just a personal choice.

[The Batman]

Shawn knew about the plot to screw bret over, though...

[Jason Blood]

If Smackdown is the supposed B-show, why is it better than Raw?

I'm getting tired of seeing the MacMahon power trip and Cena

[3dman27]

i think thats what they call IRONY

[Assassin]

I like Raw better because its on a Monday night, when i'm home, and its Live

[LastSunrise1981]

Shawn was acting and has admitted so a number of times.

If Bret wants to hold a grudge, I don't really see a problem. Just because a number of years have passed doesn't make it (the Screwjob) OK. It's possible for someone to move past something and still not pretend like it never happened. He and Michaels had longstanding issues before Montreal. Regardless of whether Shawn has made of changes in his life since then, it doesn't mean Bret has to embrace him. It's just a personal choice.

In Bret's defense it's not entirely his fault. The blame goes to Vince who constantly shows the Montreal incident, makes references to it, and always feels the need to remind us of what happened there. It's perfectly obvious that he isn't over it and maybe that's what Bret is upset about.

On the other hand HBK has apologized, admitted his faults, and has even said if Bret doesn't want him there he won't show up. He said Bret deserves to be in the Hall of Fame and that it's his moment, so obviously Shawn has matured and appears to have moved on.

Bret needs to do the same. Look, I don't care how many times he talks about closure, as long as he continues holding this grudge against Shawn he'll never have closure. No one is saying he has to embrace him or be friends with him, but just talk things out and set aside your differences for once.

Threatening to walk out over him being there is childish.

[Twitch]

I like Raw better because its on a Monday night, when i'm home, and its Live

Yet its so predictible

[Assassin]

so is smackdown...after you read the spoilers :o

[Twitch]

so is smackdown...after you read the spoilers :o

that's your problem

[Assassin]

i was being sarcastic, i still prefer raw and smackdown to impact, it feels so lame to me

[Sarge 2.0]

So you prefer tasteless McMahon ego stroking segments and John Cena punking out talented workers, with almost no other wrestling on the card to actual wrestling shows?

[Assassin]

The arena, and the storylines are lame in TNA. The only good thing about it i sthe X division, other than that, i change the channel after that.

Its a WWE rip off show

Abyyss is Kane
Christain re uses his lines from wwe
Samoa Joe is great but hes another stone cold/Rock Hybrid

and its owned by a ****en diet pill, they show 10 commercials for morphoplex in an hr show.

and then to have it on every ones shirt in the back...jesus christ

[LastSunrise1981]

The arena, and the storylines are lame in TNA. The only good thing about it i sthe X division, other than that, i change the channel after that.

Its a WWE rip off show

Abyyss is Kane
Christain re uses his lines from wwe
Samoa Joe is great but hes another stone cold/Rock Hybrid

and its owned by a ****en diet pill, they show 10 commercials for morphoplex in an hr show.

and then to have it on every ones shirt in the back...jesus christ

Joe is another stone cold/Rock Hybrid? Now you definitely deserve to be kicked in the head like he kicked that door. :mad:

[Twitch]

The arena, and the storylines are lame in TNA. The only good thing about it i sthe X division, other than that, i change the channel after that.

Its a WWE rip off show

Abyyss is Kane
Christain re uses his lines from wwe
Samoa Joe is great but hes another stone cold/Rock Hybrid

and its owned by a ****en diet pill, they show 10 commercials for morphoplex in an hr show.

and then to have it on every ones shirt in the back...jesus christ

the only thing that compares him to Rock is his voice, other then that you're crazy

[Sarge 2.0]

The arena, and the storylines are lame in TNA. The only good thing about it i sthe X division, other than that, i change the channel after that.

Its a WWE rip off show

Abyyss is Kane
Christain re uses his lines from wwe
Samoa Joe is great but hes another stone cold/Rock Hybrid

and its owned by a ****en diet pill, they show 10 commercials for morphoplex in an hr show.

and then to have it on every ones shirt in the back...jesus christHow is Abyss Kane, other than the fact that they're both big men with masks? And Kane doesn't even wear a mask anymore. And Samoa Joe is nothing like a Rock/Stone Cold hybrid, at all. So no, TNA is not a WWE rip-off. In any way.

[The FallenAngel]

Samoa Joe is better than the Rock and Stone Cold, in ring wise, IMO. He'll be close to their popularity level soon, no doubt. He's no way a hybrid. TNA is no way a WWE rip off.

[Eklypze]

samoa joe is taz its so damn obvious he is what taz should have been

Samoa Joe vs old school Taz talk about a dream match for the ages

[Eric Draven]

I kind of see some comparisons in Mankind/Kane and in Abyss. My buddy who watched TNA for once even commented on that at one point. He even chuckled a bit that Abyss had a Paul Bearer-type manager as well.


But Samoa Joe rocks though.

And no, TNA isn't a WWE rip-off. It's not even close in terms of WWE anyways. If anything, it's more like WCW than WWE :o

[Eric Draven]

If Smackdown is the supposed B-show, why is it better than Raw?

I'm getting tired of seeing the MacMahon power trip and Cena

Because all the "big names" go to Raw. Or at least that's the excuse that was used before....

[3dman27]

no, TNA isn't a WWE rip-off. It's not even close in terms of WWE anyways. If anything, it's more like WCW than WWE :o
and thats whats GOOD aboutTNA

[Eric Draven]

and thats whats GOOD aboutTNA

Not really. WCW had a lot, and I mean, a lot of ridiculous moments and ****-ups. Even more than the WWE.

And they also wasted a lot of talent as well. Steve Austin for example.....

Or even some of the booking was downright ridiculous at times. Seriously, the only thing WCW probably did right was the nWo and they even ran that thing to the ground.....

[Sabretooth]

The only comparison between TNA and WWE is that they both have egomaniacs who pretty much own the place (which is true for one of them,and it's inevitable for the other) and that Jeff Hardy and John Cena only still have jobs because they're the product whores.

[Hunter Rider]

This thread took Samoa Joe's name in vein:(

[Eric Draven]

At least four other people responded otherwise immediately though....:confused:

[TheVileOne]

Samoa Joe isn't like The Rock or Stone Cold Steve Austin at all. He's better than both of them put together.

[Hunter Rider]

At least four other people responded otherwise immediately though....:confused:

I know but the fact that such blasphemy could occur in a thread on pro wrestling:eek:

Samoa Joe isn't like The Rock or Stone Cold Steve Austin at all. He's better than both of them put together.

Oh dear lol

[The FallenAngel]

Samoa Joe was on his way to kill all of us. :( Luckily we were able to fix it.

[punishermax]

I doubt that anyone that actually went to see it because it was made in japan first


I finally got Gregory Helms theme :D

You underestimate the power of Hollywood brainwashing. After the Ring came out, anything and everything that came from Japan is now cool. That's why The Grudge came out and did well, same with Dark Water and many others. I myself find Japanese horror boring, but to each their own.

[punishermax]

Samoa Joe isn't like The Rock or Stone Cold Steve Austin at all. He's better than both of them put together.

As good as Joe is, and he's good, he has never gotten the entire crowd into a match the way Rock and Austin did. In the ring, Joe is as good as anyone and better than most, but in pro wrestling, it takes more than being a great wrestler to become a legend. I'm sure you were talking about in ring work though, which I almost agree with you on. Stone Cold and Rock put together, I'm not sure because Stone Rock would rule all.

[Jason Blood]

As good as Joe is, and he's good, he has never gotten the entire crowd into a match the way Rock and Austin did. In the ring, Joe is as good as anyone and better than most, but in pro wrestling, it takes more than being a great wrestler to become a legend. I'm sure you were talking about in ring work though, which I almost agree with you on. Stone Cold and Rock put together, I'm not sure because Stone Rock would rule all.
I'm wondering if that counts any ROH videos you've seen

I haven't seen ROH myself, but from what I hear, you're probably wrong about that crowd

[punishermax]

I'm wondering if that counts any ROH videos you've seen

I haven't seen ROH myself, but from what I hear, you're probably wrong about that crowd

I have seen RoH, quite a few shows. RoH fans are, for the most part, smart fans, so of course they would like wrestling ability over everything else. I was pretty much referring to the majority of WWE fans who are for the most part marks.

[TheVileOne]

As good as Joe is, and he's good, he has never gotten the entire crowd into a match the way Rock and Austin did. In the ring, Joe is as good as anyone and better than most, but in pro wrestling, it takes more than being a great wrestler to become a legend. I'm sure you were talking about in ring work though, which I almost agree with you on. Stone Cold and Rock put together, I'm not sure because Stone Rock would rule all.

From what I've seen at TNA and ROH events, and the most recent TNA house show...he indeed has.

The crowds were not as big though.

Joe's like Clint Eastwood, he evokes so much by doing very little. He's a force, a veritable presence. Even when Joe is supposed to have turned heel, the fans ate it up and wanted to see Joe just demolish Christopher Daniels.

[Hunter Rider]

The Rock is the greatest babyface worker in WWE history,his ability as an athlete and control of a crowd is amazing
Austin was plagued in later career with injuries but in his prime he was an awesome worker who knew how to work a crowd and structure a match

I love Joe and he is more my type of worker than either but getting over with TNA and ROH fans is small time,when he blows the roof off huge arena's and enraptures 67.000 ppl then we'll talk

[Jason Blood]

You underestimate the power of Hollywood brainwashing. After the Ring came out, anything and everything that came from Japan is now cool. That's why The Grudge came out and did well, same with Dark Water and many others. I myself find Japanese horror boring, but to each their own.

Hell, a japanese horror movie is only a category of horror movies

that's like saying a slasher movie,a zombie movie, and a torture movie don't make the same amount of money as a japanese horror remake

Horror movies make good money

besides, if you haven't noticed torture movies are the new fad

Saw I and II
Wolf Creek
Hostel

[citizenpain]

Samoa Joe isn't like The Rock or Stone Cold Steve Austin at all. He's better than both of them put together.

dude, i'm just gonna say it straight uuppp. samoa joe sucks compared to to the rock or stone cold steve austin. yeah he's great for his size, oh he's so quick!@WOW!! but look at that mug. how can you root for a guy that looks like that?

seriously though, he's not that great. he's moderately good at best.

[punishermax]

The Rock is the greatest babyface worker in WWE history,his ability as an athlete and control of a crowd is amazing
Austin was plagued in later career with injuries but in his prime he was an awesome worker who knew how to work a crowd and structure a match

I love Joe and he is more my type of worker than either but getting over with TNA and ROH fans is small time,when he blows the roof off huge arena's and enraptures 67.000 ppl then we'll talk

What he said.

[punishermax]

Hell, a japanese horror movie is only a category of horror movies

that's like saying a slasher movie,a zombie movie, and a torture movie don't make the same amount of money as a japanese horror remake

Horror movies make good money

besides, if you haven't noticed torture movies are the new fad

Saw I and II
Wolf Creek
Hostel

Influenced by Japanese films. Haven't seen Wolf Creek, yet, so I can't say. For every Saw or Hostel made in the States, there are 20 like it in Japan. Roth even stated that in an article, that Japanese horror influenced him, and from watching Saw I could see similarities. Just go to your local video store and see how many Japanese made horror movies are there now. 3, 4, 5 years ago you would have never seen movies like The Eye, or Audition but now their everywhere.

To compare horror movies, look at what the Grudge and the Ring made compared to Jason X, or Halloween Ressurection. The exception being Freddy vs. Jason but thats a whole different thing in it's own right.

[Sarge 2.0]

dude, i'm just gonna say it straight uuppp. samoa joe sucks compared to to the rock or stone cold steve austin. yeah he's great for his size, oh he's so quick!@WOW!! but look at that mug. how can you root for a guy that looks like that?

seriously though, he's not that great. he's moderately good at best.Joe is a fantastic athlete, and he knows how to cut a great promo. He's not moderately good, he's great. However, I have to put Austin and Rock above him, because the crowds are always electric for those guys. That, and Austin is a damn fine technician and brawler.

[Eric Draven]

How about this:


Joe or Kurt Angle?


:o

[Sabretooth]

Kurt Angle. That man has sacrificed alot in his life for wrestling,and he puts on a fantastic show. He's got my respect.

[Hunter Rider]

How about this:


Joe or Kurt Angle?


:o

Technically Angle but for match building,offense and structuring Joe

[The FallenAngel]

I'd have to say Joe isn't quite at Angle's level yet. I have no doubt, however, that he will be eventually. Probably sooner than later.

[The FallenAngel]

This feud is awesome.

[Sabretooth]

What a great promo. I get more and more hyped for this match every week :up:

[NDX]

I am almost tempted to buy WM22 just for Foley and Edge. Foley... Cactus Jack and Edge have brought out a great storyline that is believable and has really kept my attention. I must see this match.

Crap. This Kane/Carlito match was NOT how you followup that killer promo between Edge and Foley.

When did Cade and Murdoch start working together again?

[The FallenAngel]

Foley..Cactus..whoever, was friggin' licking the barbwire. That's awesome. I want to see this Hardcore match so bad now.

[Sabretooth]

I thought Cade basically fell off the face of the earth after losing the tag titles. Suprised he's even still around.

[Eric Draven]

It kinda makes sense for Cade and Murdoch to come together to help out Masters/Carlito....


And I have to admit, but I found that backstage segment between Kane and Show pretty funny :D :(

[Addendum]

I'd love to see the Foley/Edge match become the first ever barbed-wire match in WWF history.

It won't happen, even though it would be sick :D

[LastSunrise1981]

How about this:


Joe or Kurt Angle?


:o

I'd kill to see them have a match together. :) :up:

[Capt Throbberson]

The fridge?

You've got to be ****ting me

[LastSunrise1981]

Your avatar scares me Capt. :(

[Sabretooth]

Vince is ripped. :(

[Capt Throbberson]

Vince is as roided up as ever

[Sabretooth]

It's funny how tan and muscular his upper half is,and then his ass is pale and wrinkly.

[Capt Throbberson]

Did Cena rip his earlobe off or something :confused:

[Sabretooth]

Bwahahaha. He's bleeding and the match is barely near the 3 minute mark. :D

[NDX]

Why the hell am I still watching this? This is pathetic.

[Capt Throbberson]

The match was pretty much "Who can make the most wacky faces in 5 minutes."

[Addendum]

I was expecting one of them to hulk up...

[Capt Throbberson]

I found this kind of intresting, could be old though so bear with me

Below is the World Wrestling Entertainment talent roster payroll that was taken from October of 2004 until February of 2006. The shown dollar amount beside each wrestler is the grand total that they earned from World Wrestling Entertainment in a one year period (downside guarantees, bonuses, and merchandise shares). Some wrestler's were given special privileges and bonuses in their contracts which can also be seen beside their total pay. All wrestler's contracts begin and end at different months of the year, there for each shown amount is what that particular wrestler earned in a 365 day time period between October 2004 and February 2006 (or however long they have been with the company). All dollar amounts were rounded up/down (Example: $244,766 would be $245,000)

- Ashley Massaro: $131,000
- Batista: $813,000 (First class flight tickets paid for every week)
- Big Show: $1,000,000 (Base salary)
- Bob Holly: $217,000
- Booker T: $375,000
- Candice Michelle: $64,000
- Carlito: $319,000
- Chavo Guerrero: $206,000
- Chris Benoit: $488,000 (First class flight tickets paid for every week)
- Chris Masters: $253,000
- Christian - $396,000
- Danny Basham: $130,000
- Doug Basham: $126,000
- Eddie Guerrero: $372,000
- Edge: $704,000
- Eugene: $189,000
- Funaki: $124,000
- Gene Snitsky: $292,000
- Gregory Helms: $277,000
- John Cena: $1,743,000 (First class flight tickets, hotel accommodations, and ground transportation paid for every week)
- John Layfield: $786,000 (Five star hotel accommodations paid for every week)
- Jerry Lawler: $204,000 (First class flight tickets, hotel accommodations, and ground transportation paid for every week)
- Jillian Hall: $52,000
- Joey Mercury: $134,000
- Johnny Nitro: $143,000
- Jonathan Coachman: $175,000
- Kane: $ 851,000 (First class flight tickets paid for every week)
- Ken Kennedy: $133,000
- Kid Kash: $62,000
- Kurt Angle: $1,023,000 (First class flight tickets paid for every week)
- Lance Cade: $118,000
- Lilian Garcia: $90,000
- Lita: $286,000 (Mostly downside paid due to lack of wrestling)
- Maria: $41,000
- Mark Henry: $300,000 (Base pay)
- Matt Hardy: $322,000 (Missed over $70,000 of pay due to firing)
- Matt Striker: $43,000
- Melina: $155,000
- Mickie James: $72,000
- Nunzio: $186,000
- Orlando Jordan: $145,000
- Paul London: $177,000
- Psicosis: $122,000
- Randy Orton: $711,000 (First class flight tickets paid for every week)
- Rene Dupree: $289,000
- Rey Mysterio: $414,000
- Ric Flair: $508,000 (First class flight tickets paid for every week)
- Rob Conway: $186,000
- Rob Van Dam: $220,000 (Only received downside and royalties due to injury)
- Rosey: $105,000
- Shawn Michaels: $1,045,000 (First class flight tickets, hotel accommodations, and ground transportation paid for every week)
- Shelton Benjamin: $366,000
- Simon Dean: $132,000
- Stacy Keibler: $178,000 (Only downside paid during absence)
- Steven Richards: $94,000
- Torrie Wilson: $260,000
- Trevor Murdoch: $48,000
- Triple H: $2,013,000 (Allowed the personal use of company jet (10) times per year. First class flight tickets, hotel accommodations, and ground transportation paid for every week)
- Trish Stratus: $618,000 (Receives 20% of all Trish Stratus merchandise sold)
- Tyson Tomko: $127,000
- Undertaker: $1,811,000 (First class flight tickets, hotel accommodations, and ground transportation paid for every week)
- Val Venis: $210,000
- Victoria: $275,000
- Viscera: $130,000
- William Regal: $225,000

[Addendum]

Triple H: $2,013,000 (Allowed the personal use of company jet (10) times per year. First class flight tickets, hotel accommodations, and ground transportation paid for every week)

That's the "stroke" you get by marrying the boss' daughter.

[Eric Draven]

Snitzky makes almost 300k?

[The Apatow Crew]

man that was a crap ending. you could eee the ending a mile away. as sonn as vince pulled out the cuffs you knew what was gonna happen. fore shame wwe. what a crap ending to a all right show. and they wanna know why people prefer smackdown topo raw now.

[Addendum]

I'm not sure who's writing this. It's pathetic.

The key aspect of the Austin/McMahon feud of the late 90's, aside from the blue-collar guy standing up to the boss, was that each one upped the other each week.

McMahon screwed Austin in a match last week? Austin comes back the next week and gives McMahon some beer from a truck. You wondered "What's going to happen next week".

The writers need to review some of the tapes, take notes, and keep in mind what works and doesn't work. 4 weeks of one-sided **** is clearly not working.

[Eric Draven]

Yeah, I think I said something like that before. What's the point in watching the show if it's to see Michaels get punked each and every week and in the most ridiculous ways possible? There's just no entertainment value in it.

And you know this whole thing is going to continue on after WM since they're going to do McMahon-Cena overkill :(

[Go Web Go!]

Ugh. To think that this is only the beginning of the Triple H show on Monday nights. You guys wanted the title off Cena. Now you're going to get it. :mad:

EDIT: Triple H has the highest salary in the WWE? Hmm. Just when I thought I had everything figured out...

[Capt Throbberson]

Week 1: Vince beats up Shawn

Week 2:Triple H beats up Shawn

Week 3: Vince and Triple H beat up shawn

[TheVileOne]

Why is WWE so desperate to turn the fans back to Cena? NOTHING worked. Even turning Angle into an anti-American terrorist totally failed.

[Eric Draven]

There was one thing that helped turned the fans back to Cena - putting the title on Edge. But they had to keep the belt on Edge for a month.

Now Edge is having a kickass feud with Foley while this whole thing with Cena-Trips-McMahon is just stupid as hell.

[Capt Throbberson]

Ugh. To think that this is only the beginning of the Triple H show on Monday nights. You guys wanted the title off Cena. Now you're going to get it. :mad:

EDIT: Triple H has the highest salary in the WWE? Hmm. Just when I thought I had everything figured out...
It can't be as bad as Cena reign

[Addendum]

Remember this? (http://youtube.com/watch?v=JnoETe5WQ0w&search=kurt%20angle)

[Go Web Go!]

It can't be as bad as Cena reign

You must be new to these shows. Seeing Triple H as champion...again...is like hearing the same song on the radio over and over. Turn the dial, there's that song. Wait, I'll just hit the scroll button. Hey, it's that song again. I've heard this song before. I don't want to hear it any more. I would like to hear a new song or a song I haven't heard in awhile. I've memorized this song already. Go away, song. :mad:

[Eric Draven]

Remember this? (http://youtube.com/watch?v=JnoETe5WQ0w&search=kurt%20angle)

Man, I miss Cena's old theme :(

[Addendum]

Triple H- 3-time, 3-time, 3-time "Most over-rated wrestler" as named by Wrestling Observer (2002, 2003, 2004)

[The Apatow Crew]

Triple H- 3-time, 3-time, 3-time "Most over-rated wrestler" as named by Wrestling Observer (2002, 2003, 2004) i used to like him in rhe early 2000's but after awhile it got over kill. with i am triple h i am the game. i am number one you are crap. i bang the boss's daughter and fire those who don't agree with me.

[Go Web Go!]

i used to like him in rhe early 2000's but after awhile it got over kill. with i am triple h i am the game. i am number one you are crap. i bang the boss's daughter and fire those who don't agree with me.

Now he's the "King of King's" :o

[TheVileOne]

There was one thing that helped turned the fans back to Cena - putting the title on Edge. But they had to keep the belt on Edge for a month.

Now Edge is having a kickass feud with Foley while this whole thing with Cena-Trips-McMahon is just stupid as hell.

No it didn't really. The fans are still hating and booing Cena.

[Capt Throbberson]

You must be new to these shows. Seeing Triple H as champion...again...is like hearing the same song on the radio over and over. Turn the dial, there's that song. Wait, I'll just hit the scroll button. Hey, it's that song again. I've heard this song before. I don't want to hear it any more. I would like to hear a new song or a song I haven't heard in awhile. I've memorized this song already. Go away, song. :mad:
We were getting that with Cena anyways, atleast Triple H is a better performer, and we already know it's not going to be a reign as long as Cena's was.

[BlackSymbiote]

Since no one answered me the first time, I'm going to ask again: Anyone know where I can download full shows and full matches so I can clip them for music videos?

[Capt Throbberson]

Limewire?

[BlackSymbiote]

Limewire?

P2P programs, aside from BitTorrent, are horrible for finding the kind of shows I download, which are mostly tournaments. They're fine for matches though.

What I really need is someplace where I can download full shows.

[Addendum]

There are some matches on You Tube...

Terry Funk vs. Sabu - "Born to be Wired"
Terry Funk & Mr. Pogo vs. Masato Tanaka & Hayabusa - "No Rope Explosive Barbed Wire Time Bomb Land Mine Double Hell Deathmatch"
Sabu vs. The Sandman - "Stairway to Hell"
The infamous Mass Transit Incident
Sabu vs. Catcus Jack in an "Olympic Rules match" from ECW - Joey Styles tries to stick to Olympic rule scores and if you follow the match, the winner actually ends up being referee 911, being the only one not in negative points.

Then you have some WWF and WCW matches there as well

[Assassin]

damn it, candace was wearing long pants..at least we saw torries crack

[Go Web Go!]

, and we already know it's not going to be a reign as long as Cena's was.

And HOW did you come this conclusion? We're talking about Triple H here. He's known to hold on to the belt for months and months and months...

[The Apatow Crew]

damn it, candace was wearing long pants..at least we saw torries crackyeah thatswhat i said i'm like why isshe covering up the merchandise? she gotta promote playboy by putting the goods on display.

[The Apatow Crew]

And HOW did you come this conclusion? We're talking about Triple H here. He's known to hold on to the belt for months and months and months...damn you HHH! to HELL!

[Twitch]

And HOW did you come this conclusion? We're talking about Triple H here. He's known to hold on to the belt for months and months and months...

He's going to drop the belt to Kane (cause of the movie) or RVD at ONS (hopefully)

[3dman27]

yeah thatswhat i said i'm like why isshe covering up the merchandise? she gotta promote playboy by putting the goods on display.hiding a bruise?

[Addendum]

http://www.pwtorch.com/artman/uploads/sabufire2.jpg

[3dman27]

http://www.pwtorch.com/artman/uploads/sabufire2.jpg
whats THIS about?

[Sarge 2.0]

Exploding barbed wire death match?

[Sarge 2.0]

No it didn't really. The fans are still hating and booing Cena.They cheered him to hell when Edge was holding the strap, and his reactions now are only heavily mixed instead of boo's.

[Addendum]

Exploding barbed wire death match?
The Original Sheik & Sabu vs. Onita & Tarzan Goto in a Fire Death Match from the now-defunct FMW promotion in Japan.

It's a match from the DVD- Behind Closed Doors with Sabu: Suicidal Insights. Sabu said that almost immediately he couldn’t hear or breathe along with the fact that the FMW logo on the mat was melting onto his hand. They eventually got outside the ring and wrestled. During the match, buckets of water would be poured on the wrestlers. Sabu said the water would take skin off with it. On the DVD, Chris Candido was also doing commentary on the matches. Sabu said that the match got a lot of press at the time but didn’t understand why because he was disappointed with it. Candido said “it got press because four guys almost burned to death in the ring.”

The reason why I posted it? That pic is just ****ing insane. :up:

[LastSunrise1981]

Why is WWE so desperate to turn the fans back to Cena? NOTHING worked. Even turning Angle into an anti-American terrorist totally failed.

Thank HHH for that. He said Angle, Edge, Jericho, and Christian didn't know how to play good heels.

Now he see's that Vince is the only one that can get a reaction out of the fans towards Cena, then again, he had HBK and we all know fans will never hate HBK. Except for Canada of course.

[Hunter Rider]

I haven't seen RAW yet but I'm gathering Cena got some pop last night mainly due to HBK and Vince,the thing is neither of them will be able to help him in Chicago

The reason WWE keep persevering with Cena is cos no one else has the tools for what they want right now

[LastSunrise1981]

I haven't seen RAW yet but I'm gathering Cena got some pop last night mainly due to HBK and Vince,the thing is neither of them will be able to help him in Chicago

The reason WWE keep persevering with Cena is cos no one else has the tools for what they want right now

But it's kind of sad though, mainly because it shows HHH looking pretty stupid and implies that Vince is a better heel than HHH.

But yes, Cena did get some good pops during the "match".

[Hunter Rider]

But it's kind of sad though, mainly because it shows HHH looking pretty stupid and implies that Vince is a better heel than HHH.

But yes, Cena did get some good pops during the "match".

Well HHH shot himself in the foot,he made all these big proclamations about showing everyone how to play heel and then proceeds to act all cool and tries to appeal to the smarks when downing Cena in promo exchanges thus burying Cena instead of transferring heat to himself which is his job

[LastSunrise1981]

Well HHH shot himself in the foot,he made all these big proclamations about showing everyone how to play heel and then proceeds to act all cool and tries to appeal to the smarks when downing Cena in promo exchanges thus burying Cena instead of transferring heat to himself which is his job

That's true. I don't mind Cena losing in order to repackage his character, however, this really shows the hypocrisy that is HHH. From the looks of things it appears he will put over Cena at WM.

And if he does, I swear on this forum and thread I will not watch WWE anymore. You and everyone else can save this, quote this, and hold me to it.

After burying RVD, Jericho, Kane, Booker T, and Edge? Then all of a sudden he'll put over Cena at WM? I won't watch it anymore and I will hold true to that promise. :)

[Hunter Rider]

That's true. I don't mind Cena losing in order to repackage his character, however, this really shows the hypocrisy that is HHH. From the looks of things it appears he will put over Cena at WM.

And if he does, I swear on this forum and thread I will not watch WWE anymore. You and everyone else can save this, quote this, and hold me to it.

After burying RVD, Jericho, Kane, Booker T, and Edge? Then all of a sudden he'll put over Cena at WM? I won't watch it anymore and I will hold true to that promise. :)

The difference with Cena is his potential,I know Kane.Booker and RVD may be your favourites but non of them had that charisma and cross over appeal Cena has,with Y2J and Edge ironically he buried them as heels not as faces

[nite-owl]

For everyone that complains about that raw sucks, you should be happy you get to watch it all I have to watch is experience:o

[Hunter Rider]

According to several sources with PWI, Jim Ross is scheduled to be part of RAW's announcing team at this Sunday's WrestleMania 22. There had been a lot of talks about bringing in Jim Ross for WrestleMania in some capacity and the decision was finalized yesterday.

On the weekend, Jim Ross sent out a statement to the WWE's text messaging subscribers which says ""Don't listen to those saying I'm coming back to Raw. I'm looking forward to the Hall of Fame, especially Bret Hart's induction. Time to put 1997 to rest."

Jim Ross was said to be hosting the Hall of Fame ceremony, but since he's being brought in for Mania, Jerry "The King" Lawler will be hosting the Hall of Fame ceremony on Saturday. (As mentioned on RAW.)

[Bad Superman]

The difference with Cena is his potential,I know Kane.Booker and RVD may be your favourites but non of them had that charisma and cross over appeal Cena has,with Y2J and Edge ironically he buried them as heels not as faces

Oh and don't forget how he screwed Orton. Those guys had the potential to be pretty good heels but they were sabotaged by Triple H. I still believe Edge should be given the chance to be top heel and have a good run, but it's highly unlikely since H wants to force his way into wrestling history as the all time greatest heel in WWE.

[Hunter Rider]

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=7444PF5K

Misawa vs. Kobashi (AJPW 1/20/97) one of the greatest matches ever:up:

[Hunter Rider]

Oh and don't forget how he screwed Orton. Those guys had the potential to be pretty good heels but they were sabotaged by Triple H. I still believe Edge should be given the chance to be top heel and have a good run, but it's highly unlikely since H wants to force his way into wrestling history as the all time greatest heel in WWE.

Yeah by making Orton a face immediately after SS04 killed Orton's heat and HHH made that choice purely b/c he couldn't have anyone else threatening his position as #1 heel

[Bad Superman]

Yeah by making Orton a face immediately after SS04 killed Orton's heat and HHH made that choice purely b/c he couldn't have anyone else threatening his position as #1 heel

I think that is the most notable of the group.

I really wonder if he wants to surpass Ric Flair, not only as the greatest heel of all time, but in World Title numbers. . .Like I said, H has forced his way into wrestling history. IMO he'll never reach the legendary level of at least three of his wrestling contemporaries: Undertaker, Austin and The Rock. He'll be close, but not on that same page. Fans are smart. They know how these guys got to the top.

[LastSunrise1981]

I think that is the most notable of the group.

I really wonder if he wants to surpass Ric Flair, not only as the greatest heel of all time, but in World Title numbers. . .Like I said, H has forced his way into wrestling history. IMO he'll never reach the legendary level of at least three of his wrestling contemporaries: Undertaker, Austin and The Rock. He'll be close, but not on that same page. Fans are smart. They know how these guys got to the top.


H said he wants to surpass Flair's record and that apparently Flair gave him his blessings to break the record.

I wasn't really as ticked about Orton as I was about RVD, Jericho, Kane, and Booker T, as they were established contenders and were very over with the fans in terms of wrestling abilities and charisma.

Orton won the title too soon and it was a mistake to turn him face the first night of his reign, when all they had to do was slowly build up his face run. Kind of like what they did for Batista.

[Sabretooth]

There was one thing that helped turned the fans back to Cena - putting the title on Edge. But they had to keep the belt on Edge for a month.

Now Edge is having a kickass feud with Foley while this whole thing with Cena-Trips-McMahon is just stupid as hell.
And you want to know why Edge isn't in the main event right now? Triple H,now Mr. 2 Million (;) got jealous. He could not stand that Edge,who got back from a neck injury only a few years ago, was putting more asses in the seats than all of Triple H's reigns combined. He couldn't stand that Edge helped Cena get a fanbase again (which showed with his Reebok comment) and that Edge was giving some of the best ratings of the past 10 years.

At least the good thing that came out of this is that Edge will tear the house down with Foley come WM22. And in a few months people will be saying ''Oh I just wish Cena kept the belt because Triple H sucks'' and I can't wait to see it.

[TheVileOne]

HHH basically destroyed whatever credibility or potential guys like RVD, Booker T, etc. might've had as world champions. So I do agree with LastSunrise on that.

It was sort of disappointing what happened to Edge. But I feel it was more on WWE to try and get the fans back in favor of Cena than HHH getting ticked off.

[The FallenAngel]

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=7444PF5K

Misawa vs. Kobashi (AJPW 1/20/97) one of the greatest matches ever:up:
:eek: Thank you!

Yeah, I see it happening already. People are starting to bad talk HHH now. I had a feeling this might happen.

[Addendum]

Triple H as a wrestler is alright. He makes for a good match, and when he wants you to hate him, he's one of the best. I'll give him that.

What has been said about him holding wrestlers down, I agree with that. The McMahon/Helmsley era about 5 years ago, hinted about it. After the comeback from the leg injury, that just cemented it.

[hotrain33]

I believe it is time for the wwe to admit on live tv that trips is married to steph. However they just won't do it because they do not want the casual fan to realize that ego h is only in the title picture due to his marriage inheritance not because he is a great wrestler. His actions these past few weeks proves it like many have written. I do wish that someone would step up and blert it on tv for once just to see what reaction Hunter would make .

[Addendum]

Triple H's jaw would fall off his face onto the mat, then that wrestlers' career in the WWF would be killed faster than Beaver Cleavage, the Shockmaster...

[Mister J]

I actually though they were heading toward giving a nod to the Triple H-Steph deal when Steph showed up all preggers. It'd be great to see someone shoot on that. It'd be career suicide, but still great.

Nepotism aside, I don't understand how Triple H can continue to wield this power. After awhile, you figure someone has to say, "Hey we're screwing up and could be making more money." Unfortunately, ever since the Monday Night Wars ended, WWE has pretty much done anything they've wanted with no fear of reprecussions. God, I hope TNA catches on and gets to compete on a higher level.

[Twitch]

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=7444PF5K

Misawa vs. Kobashi (AJPW 1/20/97) one of the greatest matches ever:up:


Thanks for the awesome match. I want Joe/Kobashi match :(

[Addendum]

Sting vs. Cactus Jack (http://youtube.com/watch?v=NdAWOKljht4&search=jim%20ross)

[punishermax]

I believe it is time for the wwe to admit on live tv that trips is married to steph. However they just won't do it because they do not want the casual fan to realize that ego h is only in the title picture due to his marriage inheritance not because he is a great wrestler. His actions these past few weeks proves it like many have written. I do wish that someone would step up and blert it on tv for once just to see what reaction Hunter would make .

What people fail to realize is that no matter what, HHH would be in the title picture whether married to Steph or not. If he wasn't his reigns wouldn't number 10, but he would have a fair amount. WWE rewards loyalty and HHH paid his dues a long time ago.

[punishermax]

And you want to know why Edge isn't in the main event right now? Triple H,now Mr. 2 Million (;) got jealous. He could not stand that Edge,who got back from a neck injury only a few years ago, was putting more asses in the seats than all of Triple H's reigns combined. He couldn't stand that Edge helped Cena get a fanbase again (which showed with his Reebok comment) and that Edge was giving some of the best ratings of the past 10 years.

At least the good thing that came out of this is that Edge will tear the house down with Foley come WM22. And in a few months people will be saying ''Oh I just wish Cena kept the belt because Triple H sucks'' and I can't wait to see it.

The ratings were averaging 4.5, so the ratings were the highest of the last 4 or so years, not 10. 5 years ago a 4.5 would've been a disappointing night.

[Hunter Rider]

H said he wants to surpass Flair's record and that apparently Flair gave him his blessings to break the record.

I wasn't really as ticked about Orton as I was about RVD, Jericho, Kane, and Booker T, as they were established contenders and were very over with the fans in terms of wrestling abilities and charisma.

Orton won the title too soon and it was a mistake to turn him face the first night of his reign, when all they had to do was slowly build up his face run. Kind of like what they did for Batista.

Non of the guys you are mentioning ever had the tools that Orton has what it takes to be a major player in WWE except Jericho
the time was right for Orton to win the title they just needed to do the slow burn turn and they blew it

[Hunter Rider]

Ive just finished RAW and i thought it did a very good job of hyping all the brands matches for Mania

The vids and segments with HHH/Cena and Vince Shawn sold all those angles really well and the imagery of the two bloodied faces was pretty cool as the show went of air with the 2 bloated heels revelling in it

the MITB match was nicely put over with a good Flair promo and Benjamin now adopting the gimmick many thought he should have had prior to momma

Foley's promo was gold and accompanied by Edge's expressions really set their match up well,Foley's metamorphosis into Cactus has been well handled

[Jason Blood]

am I the only one that misses the way Randy Orton used to run behind his opponent, bounce off the ropes, and then come up from behind his opponent and RKO him

I know he did it to RVD, and he botched an attempt on Jericho

I have no idea why he keeps changing the way he keeps doing the damn move

[The FallenAngel]

I personally like the way he stalks his opponent, gets that look in his eye, then just RKOs them. It's badass.

[punishermax]

^
Yeah, I like how he does it now. With the whole stalking his opponent on the ground, it just makes him seem more intense in the way he does it.

[Sarge 2.0]

Yeah, his body language is great 100% of the time.

Although hunter, I think you're underestimating RVD. The guy has a really unconvential, athletic and unique style. On top of that, he knows how to work the crowd when he's down, as evident from his triple threat match with Big Show and HHH. I think a major title reign is long overdue, especially since he was struck with a bad injury before he could hold the Heavyweight title in ECW.

[The FallenAngel]

http://s2.supload.com/thumbs/default/rkoan.gif Found this at another forum. Pretty cool.

[Jason Blood]

http://s2.supload.com/thumbs/default/rkoan.gif Found this at another forum. Pretty cool.
if you could get me one of him doing what I said to RVD I would be so grateful

also one of him RKOing Rey this past Friday


I'm not really expecting either, just asking if you have seen them

[Hunter Rider]

Yeah, his body language is great 100% of the time.

Although hunter, I think you're underestimating RVD. The guy has a really unconvential, athletic and unique style. On top of that, he knows how to work the crowd when he's down, as evident from his triple threat match with Big Show and HHH. I think a major title reign is long overdue, especially since he was struck with a bad injury before he could hold the Heavyweight title in ECW.

the thing with rVD is his acting and mic work are very weak,i know he did an ok promo at ONS but on a whole he can't carry an angle the way a top WWE guy needs to

[Hunter Rider]

the RKO on Rey on last weeks SD was awesome,one of the coolest things ive seen in wrestling:up:

[The FallenAngel]

if you could get me one of him doing what I said to RVD I would be so greatfull

also one of him RKOing Rey this past Friday


I'm not really expecting either, just asking if you have seen themHaven't seen them yet, but I'll keep an eye out.

[Sarge 2.0]

the thing with rVD is his acting and mic work are very weak,i know he did an ok promo at ONS but on a whole he can't carry an angle the way a top WWE guy needs toI blame all of the pot he smokes. :(

[Hunter Rider]

I blame all of the pot he smokes. :(

lol,he probbly will get the belt this year at the ECW show as it will do great buisness but i expect a short reign just like Rey's on SD

[Mr. Socko]

So glad that JR will be calling Mania!

[Sarge 2.0]

That leaves me to wonder which match he'll call. I hope Joey gets to call the Main Event his way. If Mania goes without Joey Styles calling the action with real play by play, I will be crestfallen with how submissive he's being. Especially since he was a very vocal opponent of the WWE before the first ONS.

[Mr. Socko]

Joey Styles won't be calling any of Wrestlemania. All of the Raw matches this sunday will be called by Coach, JR, and The King. Joey will be back after Mania.

[Eric Draven]

Ive just finished RAW and i thought it did a very good job of hyping all the brands matches for Mania

The vids and segments with HHH/Cena and Vince Shawn sold all those angles really well and the imagery of the two bloodied faces was pretty cool as the show went of air with the 2 bloated heels revelling in it

the MITB match was nicely put over with a good Flair promo and Benjamin now adopting the gimmick many thought he should have had prior to momma

Foley's promo was gold and accompanied by Edge's expressions really set their match up well,Foley's metamorphosis into Cactus has been well handled

Yeah, it seems like they're making Benjamin into a TO-type character. Which is the perfect role for him right now.

I was also kind of entertained by that backstage segment with Kane/Show. I guess they're trying to portray Masters as a dumbass now, something he could excel at :confused:

[The Batman]

whats TO?

[Eric Draven]

Terrell Owens :confused:

[punishermax]

Terrell Owens

[Eric Draven]

You know, they should also give Benjamin a Drew Rosenhaus-type manager as well to act as his mouthpiece :up:

[NDX]

I read somewhere that they want JR to call the interpromotional MIB match with Taz and Lawler.

But that news link was a few days ago and has since been removed.

[Hunter Rider]

Joey Styles won't be calling any of Wrestlemania. All of the Raw matches this sunday will be called by Coach, JR, and The King. Joey will be back after Mania.

I think it' more likely they will do what they did at SNME and have JR call both sides matches with Taz and King as his colour men

[Hunter Rider]

Joey Styles won't be calling any of Wrestlemania. All of the Raw matches this sunday will be called by Coach, JR, and The King. Joey will be back after Mania.

I think it' more likely they will do what they did at SNME and have JR call both sides matches with Taz and King as his colour men

[The Batman]

Terrell Owens :confused:

sorry...not a big sports fan...

[Hunter Rider]

Yeah, it seems like they're making Benjamin into a TO-type character. Which is the perfect role for him right now.

I was also kind of entertained by that backstage segment with Kane/Show. I guess they're trying to portray Masters as a dumbass now, something he could excel at :confused:

I liked the look he had and the gimmick works well for him,he also seemed more confident on the mic this time

That segment was funny but god i hate Kane,he totally sandbagged Carlito for the second straight week:mad:

[The FallenAngel]

The announcers should just be Taz and Booker T from now on. That'd rock.

[Eric Draven]

I liked the look he had and the gimmick works well for him,he also seemed more confident on the mic this time

That segment was funny but god i hate Kane,he totally sandbagged Carlito for the second straight week:mad:

Yeah, the match wasn't that good. But just the sight of Show pushing the forklift and Kane walking up behind him just totally cracked me up. Seriously, the dumb moron is a great thing for Masters to be.

[Hunter Rider]

Yeah, the match wasn't that good. But just the sight of Show pushing the forklift and Kane walking up behind him just totally cracked me up. Seriously, the dumb moron is a great thing for Masters to be.

yes and his new hairpiece looks hilarioushttp://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif,i think if Show and Carlito keep in the ring the tag match at Mania will be fine but don't let the other 2 turds in or it'll go tits up

[The FallenAngel]

Bwahaha, what if Masters hair piece fell off during a match? I'd die of laughter.

[Eric Draven]

What about if it fell off and it took him like 10 minute to notice? :D

[NDX]

I really liked it when Booker T was behind the mic with his injury. He had some amusing moments, and was more active than when Mr. Kennedy was behind the mic. I though Kennedy could have done a bit more commentating while injured.

Oh well, hopefully Kennedy will be back soon and do what he's good at, talking **** and backing it up.

[Jason Blood]

I got some gifs I wanted you guys to see (didn't find what I was looking for though)

http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/7087/rockbottomorton5mw.gif

http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/2858/chokeslamlesnar9vw.gif

http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/8217/chokeslamcena4qt.gif

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/9518/rkorvd9zq.gif

http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/5984/rkotripleh4oj.gif

and FINALLY!

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/1682/peeparoonie0ct.gif

[Addendum]

http://www.thewrestlingfan.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/straighttodvd5.jpg

KING OF KINGS

Starring: HHH, and the Kliq as the Disciples.

Tagline: This Time, There Is No "Good News".

Plotline: Hunter Hearst Helmsley's take as the savior of humanity; focusing on the life of the Son of God, and detailing his many miracles (One of which is pulling a credible match out of John Cena at Wrestlemania.)

Quirky Note: The entire crucifixion scene was removed, then completely rewritten, as Hunter believed the Romans and Pilate just weren't believable enough to "go over" yet.

TWF's Take: Man, and you thought he was in good with the Father before!

Anyway, memorable scenes for us, include his preaching at the mount of Olives, complete with 5 minute pre-sermon Motorhead (then known as Chariothead for obvious reasons) intro. The sermon itself seemed to rattle on seemingly forever though, as Jesus basically said the same thing over and over again. But hey, whatever. It's not like Simon Peter could carry the company! Anyway, this was all made up for during the famous wedding scene where normally Jesus turns water into wine, but this time, he opts to change the water's constitution into bottled Evian instead... then proceeds to spit it all over the Apostles. Great stuff.

Taken from WWE Straight to DVD's (http://www.thewrestlingfan.com/straighttodvd.html)

Other titles include...

http://www.thewrestlingfan.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/straighttodvd10.jpg

http://www.thewrestlingfan.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/straighttodvd1.jpg

[The FallenAngel]

Awesome gifs.

[Jason Blood]

I really just liked the ways that Cena and Lesnar sold the Chokeslam

[Jason Blood]

The Neverending Story one is awesome

[Mr. Socko]

LMAO! That one and the other Triple H one. OMG Big Triple H mark. I'm ordering Mania just to see him beat Cena and he's got the best new nickname "King of Kings" I'm sure it was his idea lol


Go Hunter Go!

[The Apatow Crew]

LMAO! That one and the other Triple H one. OMG Big Triple H mark. I'm ordering Mania just to see him beat Cena and he's got the best new nickname "King of Kings" I'm sure it was his idea lol


Go Hunter Go!HHH :down :down

HHH = Hitler Hearst Hemsely

[Mister J]

Those mock-video covers are hilarious!

[NDX]

Joey Styles Talks About Not Calling WrestleMania 22

From WWE.com:

WWE.com caught up with Joey Styles to get his take on the WrestleMania announcing team from RAW and much more:

WWE.com: When WWE.com first spoke to you regarding your hiring, you said your biggest goal was to announce at WrestleMania. Now that WWE has chosen to go with Jim Ross at WrestleMania, how does that make you feel?

Joey Styles: My initial response when I was told on Monday when I arrived at the arena in Omaha was disappointment. That lasted about 30 minutes. I was told in person and I do appreciate that. Probably 30 minutes after that, my ego took over and I felt angry for about an hour. And then after real introspection, I realized I’m not where they need me to be in terms of what the position is. And I think what readers of WWE.com and fans watching at home don’t understand is what the position is: WWE doesn’t have play-by-play men. They may call it a play-by-play man, but what that position really is, is a “lead storyteller.” It’s a completely different animal than what I was trying to do.

The ironic part about this is that I was taught how to announce the play-by-play by Paul Heyman, who was taught by Jim Ross. And frankly, WWE has brought in Jim Ross himself, who is the best-ever at doing this, to train me so I can become as good as he is. And he told me that when he started with WWE, he had 20 years of play-by-play under his belt, and he had to be deprogrammed and start over again. He came in and called WrestleMania IX and then maybe another pay-per-view after that and then disappeared from television. He was calling, I believe, internationally syndicated TV working on not calling each and every move from a collar-and-elbow tie-up to a waist lock all the way through the end of the match and instead learning how to weave and tell the story. And I’m pretty much in the same situation he was in.

What I’m thankful for is that Jim has agreed to come in and in his words, “pass the torch,” so that I can learn to do what he does, hopefully, as well as he does, between him coaching me and me working as hard as I possibly can. I can tell you that in preparing for RAW this past Monday, I spent five hours with J.R. going over notes and how to set the premise of each match and the story of each segment and how it would lead into WrestleMania. And I learned more in five hours with Jim Ross than I have in my first five months here at WWE. And it was amazing.

And I have to say that WWE has been great with me. There have been times where I know Vince was extremely frustrated with what I was doing because he was expressing that frustration afterward. And despite what people may have read everywhere, he was never nasty with me or condescending or screaming or yelling. He was always very professional with me. But I could tell Kevin Dunn (Executive Producer) was frustrated because he couldn’t really show me how to build that bridge to storytelling and I didn’t know on my own how to do it. So, I don’t know how often J.R. is going to be available actually at the RAW events. And again some fans — the Internet fans — a lot of them think they know what “producing the announcers” means; they think it means feeding us every line, and that’s not the case. What a good producer does —and I thought J.R. did a wonderful job last night — probably the best job I’ve ever seen in someone producing me in terms of storytelling. He may have only given me five lines in a five-segment match. That’s it. But it was the right line at the right time. And it’s a very difficult balance to weave that story from the beginning of the segment to the end of the segment. And now with J.R., helping me, I see no reason that I’m not going to get there. I mean, with the best-ever teaching me and the fact that I’m going to work as tirelessly as possible to eventually be as good as he is — and I will not stop until I am, period.

There’s no “maybe” for me. There’s no “I hope I can be as good as J.R. is.” I don’t attack any goal that way. It’s going to be: “I’m going to be as good as J.R. is.” I don’t know how long that is going to take, but with him helping me, there’s no reason why I shouldn’t get there. Kevin Dunn told me that they are leaving me in the RAW lead announcer position because the only way I’m going to learn — the only way you can learn — is to do that show week after week.

I never understood why WWE worked so hard to not hire wrestling announcers and now I do. WWE announcers are storytellers and professional announcers need to be taught storytelling. The plus to hiring a professional wrestling announcer is we already have a passion for wrestling and we will learn the storytelling because there is nothing else in the world we’d rather do. I feel like I need to be de-programmed. When I sit at ringside it’s hard to not call every move. I feel like an addict getting the shakes with an uncontrollable urge to call the moves.

The other thing I want to do because of my relocation back to Connecticut, which will be complete the week after WrestleMania, is I’d actually like to — if they would let me — be the lead announcer on HEAT. I would actually like to come in and do lead announcing on HEAT every week with Coach and Grisham, who are currently the announcers, as color men for me, so I can continually practice the storyline premise of each match — even if we have to make up a story for each one of those matches because there’s not always a story for the HEAT match, and practice the give-and-take. That’s the problem with something like this; it’s not like learning how to shoot free throws in basketball. You can go in your driveway and practice all day. There’s no way to do this but to continually actually do it and practice it. And I can’t very well set up wrestling matches in my house and clone King and Coach to sit there and do it with me — not to mention who would do that to the world? Who would want to unleash two more of those men on the world?

So, as I said, the big picture of all of this is, I have what should be hopefully now with J.R. guiding me, not a difficult transition or lengthy transition to complete. Certainly, 12 months from now when it’s time for WrestleMania 23, I fully expect that I will by then have made the transition to quarterback the RAW announce team for WrestleMania 23. But, you know, as I said, initially like anybody else, I was very disappointed because calling WrestleMania has always been my lifelong dream. After that, my ego took over, so I was angry. But they’re sticking with me until I get this — and I’m going to get this — that I’ll call many, many WrestleManias in the future.

[Eric Draven]

Apparently, Sean O'Haire may be coming back to the WWE.....:)

[Sabretooth]

Nice interview with Joey there,shame WWE is giving him all of this ****. :(

And yeah,O'Haire seems to be coming back. I think he wrestled a dark match on Raw this week.

[Eric Draven]

That's the only guy I really wanted to see the WWE bring back. Seriously, this guy should've been a main-eventer in the WWE. He has a great look, good wrestling skills (Mother****ing Seanton), and his gimmick before he got released was kickass. He shouldn't have been paired with Piper at that time, he should've been with Raven :mad:

[NDX]

And apparently he wrestled one tonight on Smackdown! as well. They said he was getting some tryouts in OVW as well, so this might be interesting, although I don't really care if he comes back or not.

[Mister J]

I've liked O'Haire since the end run of WCW. That quasi-Waylon Mercy gimmick he had before he was axed had some potential. If he makes it back, I hope they give the guy a chance to do his thing.

...and please put him on Smackdown!

[Eric Draven]

Oh definitely Smackdown. If he does return, I'm hoping he goes back to the gimmick he had before, but I don't really see it happening :(

[Mister J]

Speaking of dead gimmicks and Smackdown, I had longed hoped Matt Hardy would actually engage that Diablo persona he talked about when WWE had fired him. He needs a change, Frankly, I'm surprised they haven't cut him again. At least he's in MITB.

[Addendum]

Jindrack and O'Haire were one of the best parts of WCW in it's dying days.

[Eric Draven]

Why would they cut him anyways? I mean he'll probably pull another hissyfit like last year and then we're back to square one again :confused:

[Mister J]

The reason that they fired him initially was bunk. Then they bring him back 'cause it was all internet-buzzy and they could cash in on the Edge angle. After he lost that match on RAW, I figured his days were numbered. Then he pops up on Smackdown and he's really had no direction.

I thought the move to SD was opportunity to put the character back on track (like he was with the MF'ers and V1 before he got hurt). Instead he's kinda languished. I figured if WWE didn't have any plans for him, they'd let him go (seeing as how they canned him before).

[Eric Draven]

Nah, he's basically just enhancement talent right now. He comes out and jobs every now and then and is just basically there just for a heel to fight against. That's about it. I don't really think WWE would ever fire him because that would probably mean a Hardy Boyz reunion in TNA....

[Mister J]

Good point on the TNA angle. Heaven forbid that Vince should give rise to any remote competition.

God, it's eery how WWE has morphed into WCW.

[Eric Draven]

Nah. If WWE ever gave the WWE title to David Arquette, that's when the WWE would morph into WCW.

Oh, and if they had a Shelton's momma on a pole match :o


Man, I could have a whole list of ****ty stuff WCW did that totally out-trumps anything on Raw at the moment....

[Mister J]

Nah. If WWE ever gave the WWE title to David Arquette, that's when the WWE would morph into WCW.

OK, my WCW-morph remark was low blow and unnecessary. I'm starting to remember what that place turned into at its end.

Oh, and if they had a Shelton's momma on a pole match :o

That'd have to be a damn strong pole. Momma Benjamin trumps Momma Bagwell in the buffet line.

That's the scariest pole match I've heard of since The Rock proposed the Stephanie's Dirty Panties on a Pole Match during the days of the McMahon-Helmsley Regime.

[Addendum]

WCW at one time had 250 people on it's roster at one point during the Monday Night Wars.

How many does the WWF have on their roster?

I'm still not used to calling it WWE since I have quite a bit of WWF stuff in my apartment

[Eric Draven]

I'm guessing WWE right now has about 100 or so on it's roster. But that's including everybody...

And of that 250 people in WCW, how much you want to bet 175 of those were in the nWo? :o

[Mister J]

And of that 250 people in WCW, how much you want to bet 175 of those were in the nWo? :o

That's ****in' funny!:D

[Addendum]

Or that WCW had a ****load of jobbers

[Donnie Darko]

Jindrack and O'Haire were one of the best parts of WCW in it's dying days.

hells yeah! Natural Born Thrillers, baby

[punishermax]

If anyone of you guys want to revisit how bad WCW got, just read Death of WCW, it's one of the best books I have ever read.

[Bad Superman]

H said he wants to surpass Flair's record and that apparently Flair gave him his blessings to break the record.

He actually said he wanted to surpass Flair? What an ego. . . I guess Flair had no choice, but give him "his blessing". . . If not, Im pretty sure he would pay the consequences. So I guess H has at least 7 more World Titles to go. Isn't that stupid?

This just further proves my point: Triple H is forcing his way into wrestling history. Smart fans can see this from miles. He's been a good performer up 'til 2002, but he'll never reach Flair's level or greatness.

[Hunter Rider]

Smackdown Spoilers

*Smackdown opens with Rey Mysterio coming out and saying he deserves his title shot at Wrestlemania 22. He calls out Randy Orton, but WWE World champion Kurt Angle comes out instead. Angle says that his beef isn't with Rey but with Orton, and says that nobody can defeat him. Orton comes out and says that they both suck. He says he can defeat them both, but will wait until Wrestlemania to do it. Teddy Long comes out and announces Angle vs Mysterio for the main event.

*JBL pinned Daniel Cross, who is a Harley Race trainee.

*WWE United States champion Chris Benoit defeated Road Warrior Animal with a crossface.

*Paul Birchall defeated Booker T via countout when Boogeyman came out and took Sharmell.

*Lashley & Tatanka & Matt Hardy defeated Finlay & MNM. MNM hit the Snapshot on Tatanka but Lashley hit a spear and scored the pin.

*The Mexicools defeated Jamie Noble and Kid Kash.

*They did a vignette where Booker T was searching for Sharmell but found nothing but worms.

*Booker was looking for Sharmell but every door had worms around it. When he finally found Sharmell, she was in a room on a stool surrounded by tons of worms. Boogeyman appeared and laughed.

*WWE World champion Kurt Angle defeated Rey Mysterio after Mysterio went for the 619 but was caught and pulled into the ring with an AnkleLock and Rey tapped. Orton hit the ring and he and Angle went at it. The show ended with Angle hitting the Angleslam and locking the Ankle Lock on Orton.

[Bad Superman]

Well, once again Smackdown kicks RAW's butt.

[Jason Blood]

Smackdown seems a little weak for the last show before Wrestlemania, but still better than Raw was

[Bad Superman]

My Wrestlemania predictions:

WWE Championship:
John Cena VS. Triple H = Triple H wins with an assist from Mc Mahon(s)

World Heavyweight Championship:

Kurt Angle VS. Randy Orton VS. Rey Mysterio = Mysterio should win it, but will have a short reign ended by Orton.

Hardcore Match:

Cactus Jack VS. Edge = Edge wins. This could be the match of the night.

No Holds Barred:

HBK VS. Vince McMahon = HBK wins with possible help from Cena or Bret Hart. I know Hart it's a long shot but it's a possibility.

World Tag-Team Championship:

Kane and Big Show VS. Carlito and Chris Masters = While it's been spoiled that the champions will retain, I'm betting Carlito and Chris will pull it off.

Money In The Bank II:

RVD VS. Ric Flair VS. Shelton Benjamin VS. Fit Finlay VS. Lashley VS. Matt Hardy = While Flair is rumored to win, I'll say RVD should get the win.

Casket Match:

Undertaker VS. Mark Henry = A two minute squash match with Taker going 14-0.

US Championship:

Chris Benoit VS. JBL = JBL wins

Women's Championship:

Trish Stratus VS. Mickie James =Trish

Boogeyman VS. Booker T = Boogeyman

Pillow Fight:

Who cares?

[TheVileOne]

Its rather disgusting to me that a pillow fight and boogeyman make it onto this show but the tag team champions like MNM or the cruiserweight champion or division, don't make it onto this show.

What a joke this show is going to be.

[Hunter Rider]

Its rather disgusting to me that a pillow fight and boogeyman make it onto this show but the tag team champions like MNM or the cruiserweight champion or division, don't make it onto this show.

What a joke this show is going to be.
Man they have had T and A matches forever in mainstream wrestling and the Boogeyman like him or not is over thats why he's on the show

[TheVileOne]

Man they have had T and A matches forever in mainstream wrestling and the Boogeyman like him or not is over thats why he's on the show

Eugene was over in 2004, and then by shoving him down the audiences throat in a ridiculous feud with Triple H, they get tired of him and fans will turn on him sooner or later.

Gimmicks like Boogeyman and Eugene have no longevity whatsoever. That's why true professionals and talents like Kurt Angle, Benoit, Flair, etc. do so much better and last much longer in wrestling.

[Hunter Rider]

Eugene was over in 2004, and then by shoving him down the audiences throat in a ridiculous feud with Triple H, they get tired of him and fans will turn on him sooner or later.

Gimmicks like Boogeyman and Eugene have no longevity whatsoever. That's why true professionals and talents like Kurt Angle, Benoit, Flair, etc. do so much better and last much longer in wrestling.

and ? i never said that wasn't the case but the fact is he is over now and thats why he's on the show

[TheVileOne]

The match should be on SUNDAY NIGHT HEAT, not the actual show.

[Addendum]

The writers from RAW should take notes. That's how you make interesting endings. Last week, Orton owns everyone. This week, Orton gets owned.

I agree about dropping a bit of the goofiness, although I'm a sucka when it comes to Booker T and have been since '93.

[TheVileOne]

I don't think he was around back then. If he was, I think he was GI Bro.

[Addendum]

I know that Harlem Heat were in WCW in '93. It was the latter part though, since they were at War Games '93, part of the Shockmaster incident.

[Hunter Rider]

Harlem Heat were on Vader's team for Wargames 93

EDIT beaten to it =)

[Bad Superman]

Its rather disgusting to me that a pillow fight and boogeyman make it onto this show but the tag team champions like MNM or the cruiserweight champion or division, don't make it onto this show.

What a joke this show is going to be.

It's a pity the tag-team division is practically non-existant. I think the "pillow fight should've been substituted for either a cruiserweight championship match or the tag-team championship. I think this is the first time Wrestlemania hosts TWO women division matches. :down

One is enough.

[Addendum]

The Cruiserweight division is essentially the same as the light-heavyweight division- aside from one or two matches on WWE TV, that's it. WCW had a strong Cruiserweight division and they used it very well.

[Sabretooth]

Damn. Danny needs to come back to Raw:


http://youtube.com/watch?v=_VvyqybHDzw&search=basham

[The FallenAngel]

Whoa, is that Nigel McGuiness jobbing to him? I saw that match, but didn't know who Nigel was at the time. Looks alot like him.

[Sabretooth]

Him or Chris Cage,I think.

[Addendum]

Lex Luger, one of the biggest legendstarseverinthis...gaaaaaaahhh! (http://www.nwacyberspace.com/v3/index.php?option=com_staticxt&staticfile=videos/lugerblooper.php)

Video plays better on Internet Explorer

[Twitch]

Its rather disgusting to me that a pillow fight and boogeyman make it onto this show but the tag team champions like MNM or the cruiserweight champion or division, don't make it onto this show.

What a joke this show is going to be.

I have to agree, they could've have had added MNM vs. Mexicools vs. London/Spanky vs. Gymni (sp) Fatal 4-way tag match :(:up:

[Assassin]

Samoa Joe isn't like The Rock or Stone Cold Steve Austin at all. He's better than both of them put together.

Get the **** outta here, **** samoa joe:mad:

[Twitch]

Get the **** outta here, **** samoa joe:mad:

Omg what a stupid *******

[Assassin]

********************* and *************** with a ***********

ass hole!

[Assassin]

actually i just put a bunch of * every where. :o

[Twitch]

********************* and *************** with a ***********

ass hole!

har har har, Really I laughed :o

[Sarge 2.0]

I don't know how you could just brush off a guy that very well could be the future of pro wrestling.

[TheVileOne]

I have to agree, they could've have had added MNM vs. Mexicools vs. London/Spanky vs. Gymni (sp) Fatal 4-way tag match :(:up:

Wait...who are the Gymini? I thought London and Spanky were the Gymini.

[Hunter Rider]

From PWInsider.

Hulk Hogan appeared on the Bubba The Love Sponge radio show today and stated that he will not be at Wrestlemania this Sunday. Hogan said that after appearing at the Hall Of Fame ceremony on Saturday night in Chicago (where Hogan will induct Mean Gene Okerlund), he will then travel to Long Beach, California, where he will be involved in a race on Sunday with his son Nick.

Hogan then said that WWE is going to be flying him back to Chicago for Raw on Monday night, and that Vince McMahon is proposing an angle for the show involving himself and Stone Cold Steve Austin.

Obviously, whenever Hogan makes statements like the above, you have to take them with a grain of salt, but he did say it. So, according to Hogan, he won't appear at Wrestlemania, but will be at Raw on Monday, and Vince McMahon hasn't given up on Hogan and Austin working together.

[punishermax]

The reason there is no CW match at WM is because Helms is taking time off to nurse some injuries.

[TheVileOne]

Vince must be crying that they couldn't make it happen for Wrestlemania.

[Jason Blood]

I'm beginning to think that OVW is better than the WWE...

[Jason Blood]

They might strip Helms of the title

I've heard of a match advertised at a house show for Shannon Moore Vs. Super Crazy

[The FallenAngel]

Hogan on Raw? And it gets worse... :(

[Eric Draven]

Its rather disgusting to me that a pillow fight and boogeyman make it onto this show but the tag team champions like MNM or the cruiserweight champion or division, don't make it onto this show.

What a joke this show is going to be.

Yeah, that's what I'm disappointed in too. I mean Wrestlemania is considered the "Superbowl" of wrestling shows. It's a place to hilight every single title the WWE has. The SD tag titles and CW championship should at least have some part in the event. Or at least showcased.....

[Eric Draven]

I'm beginning to think that OVW is better than the WWE...

Some of the tv results of OVW do sound more exciting at times. And it seems like a lot of those guys are having fun trying out different gimmicks. Plus, it doesn't hurt that Heyman is involved in OVW :o

[Twitch]

Wait...who are the Gymini? I thought London and Spanky were the Gymini.

No, I think Gymini is the team with Simon Dean :confused:

[TheVileOne]

And CM Punk is like their top star.

[Sabretooth]

No, I think Gymini is the team with Simon Dean :confused:
Yeah,they're two huge twins who seemed to dissappear after their first appearance. They were pretty good for big men.

[Eric Draven]

And CM Punk is like their top star.

And his feud with Brent Albright sounds kickass :up:

[Jason Blood]

Both of their finishers suck ass

Albright has a frelling FUJIWARA ARMBAR as his finisher

Punk thankfully does a step-up enzugiri in addition to his "anaconda vice"

Punk must have thought it was called the "any-kinda vice"

[TheVileOne]

So it doesn't look like his ROH version of the move?

No Pepsi-Plunge either?

[Jason Blood]

he quit doing the pepsi plunge because it was eventually going to kill his knees

the "Anaconda Vice" he does is so far from Tenzan's Anaconda Vice (the real one)

[Assassin]

I don't know how you could just brush off a guy that very well could be the future of pro wrestling.

I never said i dont like him, but he isnt greater than the rock or SCSA

[The Apatow Crew]

Funny Triple H Image i found on a site.

http://i2.tinypic.com/sm687p.jpg

[Addendum]

lol :D:up:

I saw that same pic on the Wrestlecrap forums. I had doubts about posting it, since it was someone's sig.

[NDX]

I haven't seen that image in years. Still a good one.

I have a strange feeling that Jake "The Snake" Roberts v. King Kong Bundy at the Chris Candido 2nd Annual Memorial Show. Hell, I don't even know why that match is even on that show.

[The Apatow Crew]

yeah i never saw it and it reminded me of that old boxing game knockout.

[Hunter Rider]

http://www.rohphotos.com/roh/4images/data/media/117/IMG_9782.JPG

Pro Wrestling at it's best:up:

[Bad Superman]

From: http://www.wrestlinginc.com/v2/wi/stc/nws/2006/3/29/16682.shtml

Triple H recently did an interview promoting WrestleMania 22 with the Connecticut Hersam Acorn Newspapers. The interview includes a comment about HHH allegedly holding back talent. When the subject was mentioned, HHH said, “I hear all these stories about things I supposedly did or who I’m holding back and it doesn’t bother me. You just deal with it. There are people out there who are going to think you’re great and there are people out there who are going to think you’re crap. There have been some unfair claims, but I realize I’m a scapegoat for some people.”

Yeah it doesn't bother him because he will have his way. He HAS HELD BACK deserving talent: RVD, Jericho, Benoit, Orton, Edge. . .These claims are not "unfair". They're pretty much accurate. It pisses me off when he plays the victim ("scapegoat") and thinks fans are stupid not to notice his backstage pull and how he uses it. Fans have proven him otherwise.

[nite-owl]

I found this on wrestlecrap

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y100/samsanov316/lexout2.gif