Wrestling

[AmazinUncleBen]

The diva thing is getting really damn annoying.

[The Hill]

Damnit, this was by far the WORST segment this Diva thing has had so far....I was accualy hopeful for more of what I missed last week :(

[dr. loomis]

DAMMIT.Benoit is now in mid-carder hell.Poor bastard.
yep, and i have a feeling he will stay there for a while. i think his run for the belt is over. :bomb:

[dr. loomis]

The diva thing is getting really damn annoying.
its really a waste of time. its simply eye candy provided by vince. its just disappointing that its supposed to be taken seriously.

[Go Web Go!]

Edge was stripped of his title.

Good, :)

[The Hill]

its really a waste of time. its simply eye candy provided by vince. its just disappointing that its supposed to be taken seriously.


But I had hope after being told about what went down last week. :(

[Sabretooth]

Good, :)
Same here.Why can't Y2J get the title?

[Eric Draven]

Cause, it's a conspiracy by Triple H to always put down Y2J.


Seriously.

[Sabretooth]

Cause, it's a conspiracy by Triple H to always put down Y2J.


Seriously.
HHH has become a real arrogant bastard.And his weight gain just proves that he's an ass.Because now that he's doing the boss' daughter he can get fatter than Bubba Ray Dudley and get the championship as much as he wants.I can't wait until he leaves.

[Go Web Go!]

.I can't wait until he leaves.

...Or until he tears his other quad, :D

[Sabretooth]

...Or until he tears his other quad, :D
that too. :p

[dr. loomis]

...Or until he tears his other quad, :D well, if/when he loses to orton at unforgiven, then where does he go from there? he cant keep going after orton. he went after beniot,but look at all the people that got involved very quickly(orton, eugene) i dont think hhh is getting the title back for a long time. he has not been off tv for a very long time; so i figure when he loses to orton at the ppv, he will take a much needed vacation. and if i am wrong: :bomb: i can dream, cant i?!?!?!?!

[Eric Draven]

I doubt it. He probably'll keep staying in the title picture. I mean if Christian and Jericho can keep feuding for months after months, you can bet Triple H and Orton will keep feuding for the title.

[Go Web Go!]

Weekly SmackDown results:

JBL def. Charlie Haas (non-title); Kenzo Suzuki and Rene Dupree def. Paul London and Billy Kidman for the WWE Tag Team titles (Kidman walked out on London); RVD, Rey Mysterio, and Hardcore Holly def. The Dudley Boyz; Eddie Guerrero vs. Kurt Angle (Lumberjack match) ended in a no contest after the Big Show interfered. That's your show. Again, no Undertaker, but we do get to see more of Heidenreich threatening Michael Cole. Yahoo! Just what SmackDown needed! Anyway, it was announced that JBL would defend the title against The Undertaker at No Mercy in a "Last Ride" match which means that in order to win you need to throw your opponent in the back of a hearse. Why not just make it a damn Casket match? From the looks of it this show won't be any better than last weeks show, but we did see Big Show's return which might catch people off guard seeing how the WWE has been promoting a return in 2 weeks. Looks like they were just trying to throw fans off. Smart move. I know, I can't believe it either.

[zer00]

WWE & smart move.

That sounds odd.

[3dman27]

a question about the hurricane i hear the man in green is out with a broken nose is that right?

[White_Howling]

heh Triple H will always feud with someover over the belt..

hes the greatest heel (but ppl cheer for him over a face)

[Sabretooth]

Does The Big Show look any different

[Jason Blood]

Does The Big Show look any different
he has longer hair now

[Sabretooth]

got any pics?

[Go Web Go!]

heh Triple H will always feud with someover over the belt..

hes the greatest heel (but ppl cheer for him over a face)

The only people who actually cheer for Triple H are the fans that have no clue about him holding back talent and his backstage politics. When people boo him they actually mean it.

[GLfan]

a question about the hurricane i hear the man in green is out with a broken nose is that right?Yes it is, can't wait until he comes back. I'm going to be him for Halloween. I have the pendant, replica cruiserweight belt with his name plate, cape. mask, and shirt. I'm trying to talk my Nephew into being rosey.

[Metamorpho1977]

Cause, it's a conspiracy by Triple H to always put down Y2J.


Seriously.

Triple H's hatred for Y2J is personal, way back when he wrestled in WCW, the last person he wrestled and lost too was Y2J. Y2J cheated to win the match and it's pissed HHH ever since then.

[dr. loomis]

Yes it is, can't wait until he comes back. I'm going to be him for Halloween. I have the pendant, replica cruiserweight belt with his name plate, cape. mask, and shirt. I'm trying to talk my Nephew into being rosey.
sounds cool gl,are ya gonna post a pic of you in your costume?

[dr. loomis]

I doubt it. He probably'll keep staying in the title picture. I mean if Christian and Jericho can keep feuding for months after months, you can bet Triple H and Orton will keep feuding for the title.
i have a feeling something really happened to edge, and they just kinda threw christian at jericho as a last minute idea thing.

[Rainbowbrite]

i have a feeling something really happened to edge, and they just kinda threw christian at jericho as a last minute idea thing.


i agree with you i think there was suppose to be a ladder match between edge and y2j at unforgiven because they kept fighting each other for the title it would of made sense to end the feud for the title in a ladder match i actually thought that was why edge was going to be on the highlight reel 2 weeks ago to make the match. what a tough break for edge though

[kodiak6919]

I would love to see the return of the lord of the ring tournament to just shake up one of the two brands world title picture and for those who have never heard of the lord of the ring tournament it goes something like this the G.M. draws two names and they are a team until the finals of the tournament where it's a 8 man last man standing battle royal the fun part of it is picture Theodore drawing Eddie and Luthor as partners and the winner of said tournament is the #1 contender for the WWE title or RVD and Kenzo as partners

[Eric Draven]

Triple H's hatred for Y2J is personal, way back when he wrestled in WCW, the last person he wrestled and lost too was Y2J. Y2J cheated to win the match and it's pissed HHH ever since then.

Not to mention the Triple H/Kevin Nash connection and how much Nash doesn't wanna see Jericho succeed.

[Eric Draven]

i have a feeling something really happened to edge, and they just kinda threw christian at jericho as a last minute idea thing.

I know, but still...how many times have we seen the two wrestle each other?

The sad thing is they'll probably continue to feud with each other because honestly, there aren't that many mid-carders on the Raw roster.

[dr. loomis]

I know, but still...how many times have we seen the two wrestle each other?

The sad thing is they'll probably continue to feud with each other because honestly, there aren't that many mid-carders on the Raw roster.
true dat

[3dman27]

I would love to see the return of the lord of the ring tournament to just shake up one of the two brands world title picture and for those who have never heard of the lord of the ring tournament it goes something like this the G.M. draws two names and they are a team until the finals of the tournament where it's a 8 man last man standing battle royal the fun part of it is picture Theodore drawing Eddie and Luthor as partners and the winner of said tournament is the #1 contender for the WWE title or RVD and Kenzo as partnersi think you mean the KING of the ring don't you?

[Go Web Go!]

I don't know why they got rid of King of the Ring to begin with. It's a great way to catapult superstars towards the top (unless you're Billy Gunn.) If it were still around today it could have been used to give guys like Orton and JBL a push to the top slowly instead of the WWE shoving them down our throats week after week.

[Go Web Go!]

Well, here's an interesting bit of news. Maybe GREAT news for Carmella haters around the world:




– WWE RAW Diva contestant, Carmella DeCesare, turned herself in to Cleveland, OH tonight on misdemeanor assault charges which were filed recently due to a bar incident. She was accused of kicking Kristin Hine in the head, resulting in a restraining order filed by the court.

[zer00]

hehe good.

[3dman27]

I don't know why they got rid of King of the Ring to begin with. It's a great way to catapult superstars towards the top (unless you're Billy Gunn.) If it were still around today it could have been used to give guys like Orton and JBL a push to the top slowly instead of the WWE shoving them down our throats week after week.as i recall gwg, the kor turnement was discontinued after wwe started its "brand extension" so raw and sm would have the same number of individual ppvs

[kodiak6919]

:hellboy: no I don't mean KOR I Mean the Lord Of The Ring it's an old WCW PPV and was held around February every year :bomb:

[3dman27]

Well, here's an interesting bit of news. Maybe GREAT news for Carmella haters around the world:




– WWE RAW Diva contestant, Carmella DeCesare, turned herself in to Cleveland, OH tonight on misdemeanor assault charges which were filed recently due to a bar incident. She was accused of kicking Kristin Hine in the head, resulting in a restraining order filed by the court. if ms hine is one of the other two remaing contestants maybe carmella be disqualified from the contest and on next mondays raw the two remaining diva wannabes will have the boxing match thats scheduled

[spidertwit]

I predict Vince McMahon using his tried and trusted 'any publicity is good publicity' that worked so well for JBL and the nazi fiasco and don't think anything will happen to Carmella. But I hope to god it does. Christie might be insane but at least she has a semblance of personality. she's the only one that sticks in my mind when I think of the Diva Search.

[The Hill]

Well, here's an interesting bit of news. Maybe GREAT news for Carmella rs around the world:




– WWE RAW Diva contestant, Carmella DeCesare, turned herself in to Cleveland, OH tonight on misdemeanor assault charges which were filed recently due to a bar incident. She was accused of kicking Kristin Hine in the head, resulting in a restraining order filed by the court.


:mad: S h i t ! :mad: The news brings a tear to my eye. :(

[Sabretooth]

She'll probably be there until the end.Because WWE knows everyone wants Carmella off,well if she left,no one would care who won because there wouldn't be someone they hate.

[dr. loomis]

do you think they will let carmella win because she is the "heel diva"? i really dont give 2 *****s who actually wins, i think things like the diva search,tough enough,the new fantasy league are just different things to get your mind off of how poor-bad the storylines(especially smackdown) have been.

[Sabretooth]

Exactly.Smackdown is finally realizing that it sucks,so not only do they have Tough Enough,they have new people debuting each week.

[dr. loomis]

Exactly.Smackdown is finally realizing that it sucks,so not only do they have Tough Enough,they have new people debuting each week.
yep. look how many people debuted on smackdown the past few years,compared to newcomers to raw. that tells ya right there that they are desperate. wonder how triple c (carlito carribian cool) will impact smackdown! :bomb:

[Sabretooth]

I bet he'll get scrapped or got to Velocity.Honestly,I can't see him on a main event on Smackdown.But I don't know,Bradshaw is the champ,so any thing can happen.

[SLYspyda]

Christy Hemme's the diva contestant, not Kristin Hine

[Eric Draven]

Exactly.Smackdown is finally realizing that it sucks,so not only do they have Tough Enough,they have new people debuting each week.

I don't think Smackdown sucks to be honest. I think as of right now, it's a far superior show to Raw. The main event is pretty good. I'm actually getting use to JBL as the heel champion. They also have Kurt Angle, who's probably one of the best wrestlers the WWE has, and Eddie Guerrero. The mid-card is also far superior to Raw. Heck, even the tag team division on Smackdown is way better than on Raw. Who does Raw have anyways besides La Resistance and Tajiri/Rhyno? And I don't really mind new wrestlers coming in anyways, it brings a freshness to the product when you see new characters come in every now and then. That's what's bothering me about Raw as well, it's just the same old wrestlers wrestling each other all the time. It gets rather stale right now. And the best thing about Smackdown bringing in new wrestlers? All of them can actually have a chance in succeeding because there's nobody like Triple H on the roster to bury them to jobber status.

And to be honest, I actually think the Raw storylines are far, far, far worse than the storylines on Smackdown. I mean how many times have we seen the same old **** there? Triple H *****ing about winning the world title, Jericho and Christian feuding with each other. Heck, the whole Kane-Lita marriage just stinks of **** right now. Don't forget the Diva contest and all that bull**** like the arm wrestling contest of last week.

At this point, I can say that I'm very, very close to just not watching Raw anymore. Unless something drastic happens like Triple H gets injured for a year.

[Go Web Go!]

wonder how triple c (carlito carribian cool) will impact smackdown! :bomb:

He won't. No matter how hard they try to push this guy he just won't catch on. People are already tired of seeing him, but I guess the WWE does have a history of shoving talent we don't want to see down our throats. I have a feeling that when this guy ends up making his debut we're going to see him in a feud with Eddie Guerrero. I can see it now:

"Eddie, ju are not coo like me."
"Vato loco, I am mucho mas cooler."

It has the potential to be the most annoying feud in WWE history:(

[Sabretooth]

I don't think Smackdown sucks to be honest. I think as of right now, it's a far superior show to Raw. The main event is pretty good. I'm actually getting use to JBL as the heel champion. They also have Kurt Angle, who's probably one of the best wrestlers the WWE has, and Eddie Guerrero. The mid-card is also far superior to Raw. Heck, even the tag team division on Smackdown is way better than on Raw. Who does Raw have anyways besides La Resistance and Tajiri/Rhyno? And I don't really mind new wrestlers coming in anyways, it brings a freshness to the product when you see new characters come in every now and then. That's what's bothering me about Raw as well, it's just the same old wrestlers wrestling each other all the time. It gets rather stale right now. And the best thing about Smackdown bringing in new wrestlers? All of them can actually have a chance in succeeding because there's nobody like Triple H on the roster to bury them to jobber status.

And to be honest, I actually think the Raw storylines are far, far, far worse than the storylines on Smackdown. I mean how many times have we seen the same old **** there? Triple H *****ing about winning the world title, Jericho and Christian feuding with each other. Heck, the whole Kane-Lita marriage just stinks of **** right now. Don't forget the Diva contest and all that bull**** like the arm wrestling contest of last week.

At this point, I can say that I'm very, very close to just not watching Raw anymore. Unless something drastic happens like Triple H gets injured for a year.
I actually agree with most of your points.JBL is a great champ,and the feuds are usually better.But if there's one thing Smackdown needs,it's STAR POWER.They may have The Undertaker,but the guy is slowing down,is about to retire,has a part time career,etc.They may have good wrestlers,but they need people from raw.which is why Smackdown started going downhill after that lottery.They picked people they knew were going to be on Velocity all the time,and didn't pick people that would make a huge impact for the show.That what's good about Raw,they have lots of star power(HHH,HBK,Flair,Orton,Jericho,The Rock). But,I see Smackdown like the wrestling show,so I guess it makes sense they spend more time on the wrestling,and it's more like a show for newcomers IMO.
And as much as I hate Triple H,he's the reason Raw is Raw.Whether you love him or hate him.

[Eric Draven]

Actually Smackdown does have a bit of star power. Eddie Guerrero is probably one of the most over faces the company has. I also consider Kurt Angle one of the greatest right now. He has a bit of everything. Great mic and wrestling skills. John Cena is also one of the more popular wrestlers the WWE has right now. Sure they're not as big name as the ones in Raw, but you know what? Back in 1998/1999, WCW had all the huge stars (Hulk Hogan, Kevin Nash, Ric Flair, Scott Hall, Macho Man) and WWF just had "minor" wrestlers like Stone Cold Steve Austin, The Rock, and Mankind. And which succeeded more? It isn't how many stars you have IMO, it's what you do with the wrestlers that makes a huge difference. And right now, I think that Smackdown is utilizing the wrestlers better than Raw.

And I don't really think smackdown's gone downhill since the lottery. They picked a good group of wrestlers IMO. Renee Dupree, Booker T, and RVD have all made the mid-card more exciting. The Dudley Boyz have brought a bit more depth into the tag team division. Even the inclusion of Spike Dudley (who is far, far better right now as a heel in Smackdown) has made the cruiserweight division better. Yeah, they didn't go and get a big name talent, but they got something even better - they balanced out the show which is what really matters to me.

[3dman27]

any ideas which diva wanna be will win the seatlle slugfest?

[Sabretooth]

any ideas which diva wanna be will win the seatlle slugfest?
As long as Carmella is out on the middle of the canvas,bloodied and defeated,I don't care who wins.

[Sabretooth]

i don't understand why HHH is pissed at Orton.If he's his replacement,shouldn't he be glad he's got the title?

[Eric Draven]

No. The storyline goes that Triple H is grooming Orton to be his successor. But only when Triple H has finished dominating the main event (which would be in about 40 years :p ). He didn't want Orton to win the title because it's supposed to be Trip's belt, not Orton's.

I wouldn't be surprised if Shelton Benjamin joins Evolution and basically replaces Orton's role in the group actually.

[Donnie Darko]

See, I think Triple-H is, in fact, still "grooming" Orton to be his replacement. He was The Game for years in the WWE. However, his career could quite possibly be over within a few years. He's not gonna wrestle forever. He has stroke in the company. We all know that. By feuding with Orton and putting him over, he is actually molding Orton into his replacement in real life.

[Eric Draven]

Yeah that could be. But there's also rumors that the only reason why Orton is champion so early is because Triple H wants him to fail so he can be the number one character again.

And besides, with Triple H being such a huge Ric Flair fan, I wouldn't be surprised if he stays wrestling just as long as Flair is.

[Sabretooth]

if that's the case,Flair better leave FFFFFAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSSSSSTTTTTTTTTTT



btw:any Unforgiven results?

[Savage]

...God I hope TNA hits it big soon. WWE is sucking BAAAD. I mean...god...the whole "mystery woman" thing was settled tonight by Tonco...But it was so horrible. Even the crowd started booing and getting into chants of "boring". Even JR and The King seemed bored and you could hear in their vocies that they were thinking "...This is retarded". It's...just...gah!...After watching TNA WWE sure looks like crap. They can learn a thing or two from em. Hell they can learn everything from em since they're already doing everything wrong.

Oh yeah, so far Jericho beat Christian and Benoit made Flair tap.

[Sabretooth]

Who's the mystery woman?Did they finally say it's Richards?

[Eric Draven]

WTF? :confused:


Of course it was Richards. It was kinda obvious wasn't it? ;)

[Sabretooth]

WTF? :confused:


Of course it was Richards. It was kinda obvious wasn't it? ;)
i know.I was just wondering if they were stupid enough to say it was him after everyone knew after like the third week.

[Go Web Go!]

After the 3rd week? What are you talking about? It was obvious that it was him the first time they ever showed him at ringside. We had a pretty clear view of his face.

[Savage]

Yeah. It was Richards. I mean even King was telling JR to "just go along with it". It was funny but at the same time depressing to see that the WWE have gone this low. It was embarassing.

[Sabretooth]

any more updates?

[Savage]

Trish retains her title
La Resistance beats Tajiri and Rhyno
Michaels beats Kane

[Sabretooth]

Hmmmmm........Lita turn heel?Or did she help Shawn win?

[Go Web Go!]

Hmmmmm........Lita turn heel?Or did she help Shawn win?

Neither. I wouldn't say she helped HBK win, but she did distract Kane towards the end of the match. By the way, I hate to break it to you guys, but Triple H beat Orton to win the World title...again...

[Eric Draven]

What a surprise :rolleyes:


I'm not a huge fan of Orton myself, but dammit, at least give him a longer title reign than just one ****ing month!

Now watch Orton get buried back to the mid-card like all of the opponents Triple H has faced before and we get to see the Triple H jacks off over the title belt show again. :rolleyes:

[Go Web Go!]

Yeah. He'll probably be back on Heat in no time just like Benoit was after losing the belt. I wonder who will save us from Triple H's wrath. We'll probably see another program between him and HBK in the near future. Hooray! :rolleyes:

[Eric Draven]

This is the kinda **** I hate about Raw. It's always about Triple H. Has this guy been out of the main event scene since the brand extension? Sure it's good to have him there sometimes. But give someone else a shot at the main spotlight once in a while.
I'm suddenly glad that Triple H never jumped to Smackdown after WM. I'm pretty sure if he was on the show, guys like John Cena or Rey Mysterio or Eddie Guerrero would've been buried all the way to Velocity by now.

[Donnie Darko]

The thing is, I wouldn't be upset if HHH had a long, consistent title run, like the old days for Flair and Hogan. What pisses me off is that the title changes hands like every month now. Hunter has to be like, what, a 10-time World champ by now, right? It's just so ****in lame. I was really hoping Orton would get the title and have a long title run. In case you can't tell by the avatar and status, I'm definitely an Orton fan. I went around telling everyone I knew before Summerslam (especially people who didn't give a rat's ass about wrestling) that he was gonna be the youngest champ ever and all that jazz.

[Eric Draven]

That's what gets to me as well. Now you all know that I'm not a huge Randy Orton fan. I kinda think he was a bit overrated. But goddammit, give him longer than a month for a title reign. Sure Orton wasn't that over at the moment (he was getting a few mixed responses), but give him at least another month or two with the title. If it doesn't work by then, by all means, get the title away from him by then. Look at JBL, he wasn't that good the first month as champion, but as the weeks/months went along, he found a niche.

Yeah, you can tell I'm a bit disgusted at the results of the PPV :o

[Donnie Darko]

I also REALLY hated the fact that they made JBL... BRADSHAW fo God's sake!... the WWE Champ. I thought it was a terrible move and that it would never work. However, they have made it work. He has been the champ for about 4 or 5 months now, I think. He has really developed his heel character and I actually like him as champ right now.

[Go Web Go!]

The thing is, I wouldn't be upset if HHH had a long, consistent title run, like the old days for Flair and Hogan.

He's had about 3 or 4 of those in as many years. It's getting out of control. I agree that the title needs to stick with one wrestler for a good 4 or 5 months, but I just don't think he should be that one wrestler. I don't think Orton is the man for the job either, but that's only because he's still young. He has his whole career ahead of him while people who have been held back (Jericho, Kane, etc.) don't. :mad:

[Donnie Darko]

I don't want a 4-5 month title run. I want the kind of run they had back in the 80s/early 90s, when Hogan held the title for like at least a year every time he touched it. I think it would add a lot of credibility to the belt and also allow for better build-up for title matches and feuds.

[Go Web Go!]

I don't think there are too many wrestling fans that want to see a championship with the same guy for a year. It gets boring to see the same person with a belt for such a long period of time.

[Donnie Darko]

Which is why Hulkamania was such a flop, right?

[White_Howling]

I also REALLY hated the fact that they made JBL... BRADSHAW fo God's sake!... the WWE Champ. I thought it was a terrible move and that it would never work. However, they have made it work. He has been the champ for about 4 or 5 months now, I think. He has really developed his heel character and I actually like him as champ right now.


i thought they would fix that mistake by now... god why the hell are they still letting him run with it...

a champ with two moves... great...

[3dman27]

if anyone watches raw tonight could you post the results i might be unable to tape the show and i want to know who won the seatlle slugfest

[Sabretooth]

No.Really.You guys are joking,right?Randy won,right?:(

[dr. loomis]

No.Really.You guys are joking,right?Randy won,right?:(
i was thinking/hoping the same damn thing!!!!!

[Eric Draven]

I don't want a 4-5 month title run. I want the kind of run they had back in the 80s/early 90s, when Hogan held the title for like at least a year every time he touched it. I think it would add a lot of credibility to the belt and also allow for better build-up for title matches and feuds.

I don't mind those as well. But I don't want the same old wrester like Triple H doing it. Give it to someone else every once in a while.

Oh, and this is from lordsofpain.net:

As this reporter broke over the weekend, the original plan was for Randy Orton to escape Unforgiven with the title, and continue on a long-term title reign. However, this reporter also noted that officials within WWE began pushing for an HHH win, and ultimately, got their way.

The rationale behind putting the belt on HHH is that WWE feels Randy Orton can be more effective "chasing" the title, rather than carrying the title. WWE does not feel Orton has gotten over enough, or carries enough momentum, to be a meaningful champion, so needs to develop the necessary heat by chasing the title and earning fan support, leading to a more climactic future title win.

A PWTorch.com theory reported late last month was that HHH might have pushed for Randy Orton's face turn as a way to kill Orton's momentum and regain the title himself. While the series of events is somewhat accurate, most do not believe HHH had any interest in maliciously killing Orton's character.





What a ****ing crock. Of course Orton hasn't gotten over as a meaningful champion. He's only been champion for one ****ing month! Not even The Rock, Brock Lesner, Eddie Guerrero, or JBL had much momentum at first. But they had to build on it. They just didn't go after three weeks "oh well, this thing isn't working out, let's just strip him of the title".

And does anybody feel that the WWE officials in question are a Mr. and Mrs. Stephanie McMahon? :rolleyes:

[Sabretooth]

I hate HHH.I know hate is a strong word but I'm pissed at how he can't let someone else have the title for a few months.Hopefully,Stephanie will realise this and divorce his fat ass.:mad:

[Go Web Go!]

Wow...How big of a waste was that last diva segment (the dance session between Molly and Stacy followed by a 6 woman tag match.) It was so sad and we haven't even seen the last of the ladies tonight with the Seattle Slugfest still scheduled for later in the show. :mad:

[Go Web Go!]

if anyone watches raw tonight could you post the results i might be unable to tape the show and i want to know who won the seatlle slugfest

-Chris Benoit def. Rob Conway
-Stacy Keibler, Nidia & Victoria def. Molly Holly, Gail Kim & Trish Stratus
-Shawn Michaels & Chris Jericho def. Christian & Tyson Tomko
-Joy was eliminated before the Seattle Slugfest (Vince made an appearance and said the divas would be using the Coach as a punching bag instead of eachother.)
-Kane took on some jobber who ended up hitting Kane from behind with a steel chair and caused him to fall on top of Lita. Lita was carted off. Looks like the WWE is going with a miscarriage angle.
-Finally Evolution vs. Randy Orton ended in a DQ after Triple H pushed the referee. Evolution beat on Orton until Shelton Benjamin and Chris Benoit came down to make the save.

[SLYspyda]

Wow...How big of a waste was that last diva segment (the dance session between Molly and Stacy followed by a 6 woman tag match.) It was so sad and we haven't even seen the last of the ladies tonight with the Seattle Slugfest still scheduled for later in the show. :mad:


your out of your damn mind, i was greatly entertained by the whole stacy vs. molly segment

[WildChild]

Last nights Raw was okay but what the hell was Chris Benoit doing wrestling Rob Conway!?My god how the mighty have fallen a month ago this guy was the world champ.at least he came out and helped out Randy Orton.I think the WWE has forgotten how to push someone.When Randy Orton comes out he needs PYRO!!As silly as it may sound pyro dose help you get over.When Randy comes out and those sparkels behind him go off and shower down on him and he dose his pose it looks good and helps him get over in peoples minds as someone special.smarten up WWE.

[dr. loomis]

Finally Evolution vs. Randy Orton ended in a DQ after Triple H pushed the referee. Evolution beat on Orton until Shelton Benjamin and Chris Benoit came down to make the save.
do i smell 6 man tag match next monday?!?!

[Go Web Go!]

Last nights Raw was okay but what the hell was Chris Benoit doing wrestling Rob Conway!?My god how the mighty have fallen a month ago this guy was the world champ.at least he came out and helped out Randy Orton.I think the WWE has forgotten how to push someone.When Randy Orton comes out he needs PYRO!!As silly as it may sound pyro dose help you get over.When Randy comes out and those sparkels behind him go off and shower down on him and he dose his pose it looks good and helps him get over in peoples minds as someone special.smarten up WWE.

Yeah, I always liked when he made his entrance as a part of Evolution and would pose while the golden sparks came streaming down behind him. One of the few pyros that would still work in this day in age. And I also have to agree with dr.loomis about a 6 man tag match on RAW next week. It's pretty much a giveaway. If not next week then surely soon thereafter.

[Rainbowbrite]

good benoit might be in a raw main event next week i thought that last match stunk it was five minutes i would be pissed off if i lived in seattle hopefully when they come to msg on oct 4 it will be good cause i paid good money to see wrestling not dance offs and diva boxing i like that hbk is battling with christian its something fresh for him for the past year its been evolution at each ppv

[3dman27]

your out of your damn mind, i was greatly entertained by the whole stacy vs. molly segmentall things considered after the seattle "slugfest" [HAH] ,i'd have rather seen boxing or arm wrestling between molly and stacey but then the washington state athletic commission would claim juristiction in the case of an actual boxing match .thats why vince macmahon started calling wrestling "sports entertainment because various states athletic commisions were trying to claim juristiction over the wwf as it was called at the time

[Eric Draven]

What's Vince's "big" announcement gonna be?

Another draft? :confused: :p

[Go Web Go!]

What's Vince's "big" announcement gonna be?

Another draft? :confused: :p

I hope that Vince announces SOMETHING that will allow wrestlers to move from one place to another. Maybe announce that he will allow the General Managers to make trades and sign "free agents" kind of like they did a few years ago when Stephanie and Bischoff were competing against eachother for big-name talent.

[Go Web Go!]

SmackDown results:

John Cena def. Booker T (Series tied 2-2); Rob Van Dam & Rey Mysterio def. The Dudley Boyz; Kenzo Suzuki & Rene Dupree def. FBI (Retain Tag titles); Heidenreich's feud with Michael Cole continues after he apparently "kidnaps" Cole (Wooow);Charlie Haas def. Spike Dudley via DQ (Spike retains); Big Show signs a contract to face Eddie Guerrero over Kurt Angle at No Mercy; And last but not least, if The Undertaker making an appearance isn't surprising enough then how's this sound? Viscera and Gangrel apparently make a return to help JBL and Orlando Jordan battle the Deadman. I suppose desperate times call for desperate measures. Guaranteed that both these guys will job to The Undertaker in a Handicap match in the coming weeks and then disappear from the WWE yet again. After reading the results I must say that the show looks like a disaster with it's usual bright spot towards the end of the show which usually includes Angle and Guerrero. I say they just make SmackDown a half-an-hour show and spare us from the rest of the trash they show. I mean, come on, the show's focusing on this huge wrestler who's supposedly there to make an impact feuding with an announcer. Make it stop!

[White_Howling]

just wondering whats kenzo suzukis finisher?

[3dman27]

SmackDown results:

John Cena def. Booker T (Series tied 2-2); Rob Van Dam & Rey Mysterio def. The Dudley Boyz; Kenzo Suzuki & Rene Dupree def. FBI (Retain Tag titles); Heidenreich's feud with Michael Cole continues after he apparently "kidnaps" Cole (Wooow);Charlie Haas def. Spike Dudley via DQ (Spike retains); Big Show signs a contract to face Eddie Guerrero over Kurt Angle at No Mercy; And last but not least, if The Undertaker making an appearance isn't surprising enough then how's this sound? Viscera and Gangrel apparently make a return to help JBL and Orlando Jordan battle the Deadman. I suppose desperate times call for desperate measures. Guaranteed that both these guys will job to The Undertaker in a Handicap match in the coming weeks and then disappear from the WWE yet again. After reading the results I must say that the show looks like a disaster with it's usual bright spot towards the end of the show which usually includes Angle and Guerrero. I say they just make SmackDown a half-an-hour show and spare us from the rest of the trash they show. I mean, come on, the show's focusing on this huge wrestler who's supposedly there to make an impact feuding with an announcer. Make it stop!maybe they should go the velocity route and trim smackdown and raw to ONE HOUR

[GLfan]

I agree, this way both shows could be exciting and draw viewers back every week. That way people won't get bored. I haven't watched Smackdown in two weeks, cause I hate seeing JBL and Cole.

[WildChild]

I hope Vince's big announcement is that they are doing another draft or that they are going to allow trades,just so they can get Chris Benoit of Raw on onto Smackdown where he can do some fresh things.I'm sure it's goin to be somthing lame though like a new logo or a co-gm for Bichoff like Paul Heyman of Steph.I hope this announcement dosen't suck i'm taking time out of my life to watch it with my friends.

[Go Web Go!]

I hope Vince's big announcement is that they are doing another draft or that they are going to allow trades,just so they can get Chris Benoit of Raw on onto Smackdown where he can do some fresh things.I'm sure it's goin to be somthing lame though like a new logo or a co-gm for Bichoff like Paul Heyman of Steph.I hope this announcement dosen't suck i'm taking time out of my life to watch it with my friends.

The announcement will probably involve RAW's upcoming Tuesday PPV which will supposedly allow WWE fans to vote online and choose the type of matches they want to see as well as who they want to see face eachother in a match.

[Go Web Go!]

Hope there aren't any Jamie Noble fans around:

From WWE.com

World Wrestling Entertainment and Jamie Noble have parted ways. WWE would like to wish Noble all the best in his future endeavors.

[dr. loomis]

Hope there aren't any Jamie Noble fans around:

From WWE.com

World Wrestling Entertainment and Jamie Noble have parted ways. WWE would like to wish Noble all the best in his future endeavors.
the nydia thing was,at best, mildly entertaining. but what have they done with noble since then? absolutly nothing. this, once again proves my theroy that there is WAY too much talant on the roster and in development. if vince is thinking the more the better,he is dead wrong. look how many people come and gone,made their big debuts, and then quickly flopped;or once semi popular stars get dropped to low card status, and just eventually forgotton. i think you need the talent to be entertaining, but lets face it, charecter and storylines drive the wwe machine. there has been no interesting charecters as of late. where is the exciting babyfaces and the edgy, interesting storylines? as a whole, they simply dont exist anymore.

[Eric Draven]

Wow....


PWInsider.com reports that Kurt Angle and Eddie Guerrero got in a backstage fight last night at SmackDown, a situation which began the minute the two came back through the curtain.

Apparently, Eddie Guerrero missed his cue in the final segment, causing Angle's character to look weak. Eddie has not been himself lately, with some claiming he never fully recovered from his concussion, so he took offense when Angle told him to get his head in the game out of frustration.

The two started exchanging words, but it quickly became physical, with Angle putting Guerrero in a face lock and taking him down to the ground. Johnny Ace pulled them apart, but they got into it later in the back. Vince McMahon spoke to both of them about the incident.



Man, it sounds like Eddie needs to take some time off :(

[WildChild]

Jaime noble gone now Eddie and Kurt fighting what is the world coming too.

[Go Web Go!]

Jamie Noble isn't much of a loss. The guy has been in the dumps ever since that whole Nidia/Blindness angle.They've given better talent the boot. And I'm sure this isn't the first time wrestlers get in an altercation behind the scenes. It's part of the business. They're not all friends and they're not all going to agree on certain things.

[Rainbowbrite]

who cares about jamie noble im really hoping vince's announcement is they join the two shows up again. could you imagine the number of storylines they could get if the shows were combined i mean lets face it having cena wrestle booker t every week or every other week is annoying. im hoping for an orton vs. cena feud if they ever do decide that the brand exclusive ppv and shows are ridiculous.

[zer00]

Joining the 2 shows up again would be great.

But the WWE ain't all that smart anymore.

[Sabretooth]

Ministry Of Darkness Returns!!!!!

[Donnie Darko]

ok, this may be a dumb question, but why doesn't Tazz wrestle anymore? Was it a career-ending injury or just that they thought he'd be better at the table. I used to wonder this a while back, then just never thought about it anymore. I ask this because I was thinking how cool it would be to see him get back in the ring against Heyman's stooge.

[Donnie Darko]

Holy ****!!! Is Michael Cole getting raped? What the hell is this? I think the WWE just took it too far.

[Eric Draven]

Tazz really doesn't wrestle anymore because he's getting up there in age. Plus he's pretty short. And with Vince's preference for wrestlers over 6 feet 3 or so, he would probably be lost in the shuffle or even released. Now that he's an announcer, he has a chance to be on the show every week. Plus, he's pretty damn good at it.

[Donnie Darko]

yeah, he is good; I guess I just miss his ECW matches

[Go Web Go!]

Who the hell writes this garbage? Heidenreich reading poetry to Michael Cole and apparently having butt-sex with him? Are you watching this, Vince? For the love of God...

Moving on...Tazz doesn't wrestle anymore because he flat-out didn't want to. Not because he was short, not because he was aging, but because he just lost his passion for wrestling. He said it himself in an interview with WWE.com before he retired around 2000-01. I wouldn't mind seeing him make a comeback. He would help SmackDown a little bit, but hey, I guess he felt it was time to move on. You can't blame him. Wrestling will take a toll on you after being around it as long as Tazz has.

[Eric Draven]

But you got to admit, even if Tazz were wrestling today, I doubt he might get past Velocity, even if he were a great wrestler. Vince just loves the big wrestlers too much to give someone like Tazz a chance. That may also be a contributing factor in him losing his passion for wrestling.

[Donnie Darko]

well, you also need to consider that at one time, Eddie Guerrero and Chris Benoit were the World Champions on their respective shows. They aren't exactly giants.

[SLYspyda]

it's not about height, tazz isn't a lightweight or anything, he weighted what? mid 200's when he used to wrestle?

i missed smackdown, but thats just gay and ridiculous if heidenreich did rape cole, wtf

[Donnie Darko]

I mean, as if Heidenreich wasn't a lame enough character to begin with, they bring that in.

[Eric Draven]

I thought they were going in a pretty good direction with Heidenreich. Teaming him up with Paul Heyman, making him a monster similar to Brock Lesner. But seriously, "raping" Michael Cole and reading poetry to him is taking it a tad too far.

[Donnie Darko]

yeah, and I know I'm breaking the illusion here, but if you were a camera man, would you record someone getting raped? If you were the director/producer, would you SHOW the rape on tv? If you were head of security at this arena, would you let a rape slide by without sending some security to stop it? I mean, I know wrestling isn't "real," but come on.

[Savage]

...Oh...my...god...What the hell did I miss tonight?:eek:The one time I decide to not watch Smackdown becaause everything seemed formulaic was the night things were drasticaly different. The Ministry reunion, the gay-rape...wow...the WWE is desperate. lol I hope Median and Farooq come back and side with Taker though. Maybe have Vis and Gangrel turn on Bradshaw...Still kind of weird that they're stuck in those same gimmicks though while guys like Edge and Christian and pretty much everyone else has moved on.

[3dman27]

yeah, and I know I'm breaking the illusion here, but if you were a camera man, would you record someone getting raped? If you were the director/producer, would you SHOW the rape on tv? If you were head of security at this arena, would you let a rape slide by without sending some security to stop it? I mean, I know wrestling isn't "real," but come on.you're right there nowadays NO resposible security gaurd would let something like that go by unchallenged the wwe slipped up there though i think mr cole was being TERRORIZED not raped

[GLfan]

The way Cole whimpered you'd think it was rape.

[Omega Red]

The way Cole whimpered you'd think it was rape.


Well it did look like it was going to turn into a Prison movie real quick

[Donnie Darko]

I mean I love HBO's Oz, but damn.

[Eric Draven]

...Oh...my...god...What the hell did I miss tonight?:eek:The one time I decide to not watch Smackdown becaause everything seemed formulaic was the night things were drasticaly different. The Ministry reunion, the gay-rape...wow...the WWE is desperate. lol I hope Median and Farooq come back and side with Taker though. Maybe have Vis and Gangrel turn on Bradshaw...Still kind of weird that they're stuck in those same gimmicks though while guys like Edge and Christian and pretty much everyone else has moved on.

Well with Gangrel, it's kinda hard for him to move on. He's basically gonna have a vampire gimmick his entire career. :p

[dr. loomis]

Well with Gangrel, it's kinda hard for him to move on. He's basically gonna have a vampire gimmick his entire career. :p
yeah, even when he was with tna he didnt change his gimmick,just his name to "vampire warrior"

[dr. loomis]

The way Cole whimpered you'd think it was rape. yeah,but coles charecter is a *****boy anywayz, i just couldnt believe what i was seein, and was hoping that i wasnt the only one that got the gay rape vibe from that segment. what if he started bringing cole to the ring with him on a leash and in a leather gimp mask!

[Donnie Darko]

yeah,but coles charecter is a *****boy anywayz, i just couldnt believe what i was seein, and was hoping that i wasnt the only one that got the gay rape vibe from that segment. what if he started bringing cole to the ring with him on a leash and in a leather gimp mask!

Maybe THAT would be when Tazz would finally get back in the ring and kick some ass and tazmission the hell out of that sucky character.

[The Ghoul]

I was watching Smackdown & I must say, not a bad show. The Michael Cole gay rape thing was a little off the wall but... It's UPN the gayest network on TV next to Bravo. And Mable & Vampire Warrior returning were a big surprise accually [I remember the old gimmicky early 90's of WWF so I refuse to call Mable, Visera. & I got so used to seeing Gangrel on the local hardcore indipendent compony MXPW (like slightly watered down version of ECW with ****ty stories) so I just got used to calling him Vampire Warrior)

[3dman27]

i think it was in wwf/wwe that mabel started using the name viseria as part of the minestry of darkness

[dr. loomis]

wonder what mideon is doin now-a-days

[Eric Draven]

WTF? :rolleyes:

PWTorch.com reports the rumor that Teddy Long may be replaced as GM of SmackDown in the coming months.

Apparently, those backstage are already talking about possible replacements. Clearly, no SmackDown! GM has been successful in maintaining his or her position on the show, and it seems Long may be the next removed from the inconsistent position.

Remember, this is just a rumor.


I hope it's just that. A rumor. Theodore Long has been a pretty good GM so far. But unless they bring back Paul Heyman as Smackdown GM, it'll be a baaad idea IMO.

[The Ghoul]

wonder what mideon is doin now-a-days

Mideon is currently headlining MXPW (the above mentioned indi group that Vampire Worrior was a part of) going under his real name (Dennis Knight) as a simular character to mideon but darker & smarter leading a stable called The Family with tag team The Blackhearts (famous tag team in the indi circut) & some big buff guy called The Worlord.

[Jason Blood]

Velocity was moved to 11:00

[3dman27]

yes back to its original timeslot

[3dman27]

any ideas as to mr macmahons "big anouncement"? me i figure he's retireing from the wwe and apointing bischoff as his successor

[The Ghoul]

I think he is going to appoint another "Co-GM"

[S_H_F_4839]

I just got home from the smackdown event that I went to, and by smackdown event, it was a house show featuring the smackdown superstars.


match1: Tag match, Rico&Charlie Hass defeated the dudleys, when rico superkicks bubba.

sorta match2: This match had kidman out in the ring with a mic griping about the way the fans were treating him when teddy long told that former tag team partner, I forget his name, to fight kidman, he was going to fight him anyway, but teddy long made it an official match.

match3: Hardcore Holly vs Heindrich, Heindrich wins after performing a sidewalk slam on hardcore.

match4: Rene dupree and his partner beat someone but I got distracted and cant remember who they fought.

match5: Undertaker beats JBL by disqualification, JBL hit undertaker with the belt, he thought the ref was out, but the ref saw it and disqualified him, I used up a whole roll of film on taker doing his signature moves, like the chokeslam. after the match, taker chokeslammed rene dupree who came to help JBL, and JBL's assistant. before tombstoneing JBL.

match 6: Rey Mysterio lost to spike dudley after interference by bubba and dvon.

match 7: RVD beat Booker T in a non title match.

match 8: It was originally sceduled to be a one on one involving eddie and this other guy, I dont know, kurt came to the ring and knocked eddie off the top rope, then got in and started fighting with eddie, giving eddie the disqualification win, but then big show showed up before kurt could do to much damage, kurt was running from show when teddy long showed up again and set the final match for a tag between eddie and show against kurt and the other guy, match ended when eddie jumped off of shows shoulders doing a splash on the other guy I dont know.

Thats the jist of everything that happened tonight.

[Rainbowbrite]

i think vince's announcement is about taboo tuesday. i have to agree with the ghoul on that whole michael cole thing it was a little disturbing.

am i the only one here who prefers raw to smackdown!. i mean why would you want to see booker t vs. john cena every single week. im glad angle is wrestling the big show they really needed someone to break the monotony on smackdown and big show is just the man for it.

tonight on raw 6 man tag match evolution vs. benoit benjamin and orton......like i didnt see that coming

o

[Donnie Darko]

so yeah, I was thinking about the Carlito ads today, and for some reason, I just kept thinking back to the days of Razor Ramon.

[Rainbowbrite]

i thought about razor ramon the first time i saw that dude personally i dont like the guy i mean the guys character is so stupid. all the new superstars on smackdown are dumb i mean raw brings in a guy nick dinsmore(aka eugene) and the guy is in a big match at summerslam and hes got merchandise

[Savage]

I think they're desperatly trying to find their new Rock. I mean this Carlito guy is blatant rip-off of both Razor Ramon and The Rock(think NOD/Corporation days in particular). You can tell they're trying to do the same with Orton. I think John Cena is the closest they've got so far.

[Rainbowbrite]

i agree cena is the closest orton i could see where your coming from the 500 dollar shirts 3000 dollar suits

[WildChild]

I hope Vince's announcement tonight is good, if it's some next **** imma be upset.

[Eric Draven]

i thought about razor ramon the first time i saw that dude personally i dont like the guy i mean the guys character is so stupid. all the new superstars on smackdown are dumb i mean raw brings in a guy nick dinsmore(aka eugene) and the guy is in a big match at summerslam and hes got merchandise

And look how quickly Eugene got buried a few weeks after that. In fact, a lot of fans were booing Eugene after a while.


Oh, and you know what? I'm actually starting to grow to like Carlito Carribeann Cool. The gimmick is so lame and out of the WWF back in 1995, it's gonna be good for a few laughs at least :o

[Eric Draven]

I think they're desperatly trying to find their new Rock. I mean this Carlito guy is blatant rip-off of both Razor Ramon and The Rock(think NOD/Corporation days in particular). You can tell they're trying to do the same with Orton. I think John Cena is the closest they've got so far.

Yep. I feel that as well. Both Cena and Rock started out as rather bland babyfaces, but you could still tell they had a bit of charisma and intensity to them. It was just that they didn't really have any gimmick to get them over at the time. Then they both turned heel and found there niche. They both started to gain fan support and turned into major faces.

[Eric Draven]

i think vince's announcement is about taboo tuesday. i have to agree with the ghoul on that whole michael cole thing it was a little disturbing.

am i the only one here who prefers raw to smackdown!. i mean why would you want to see booker t vs. john cena every single week. im glad angle is wrestling the big show they really needed someone to break the monotony on smackdown and big show is just the man for it.

tonight on raw 6 man tag match evolution vs. benoit benjamin and orton......like i didnt see that coming

o


Smackdown being monotonous? IMO, I think Raw is the show that is pretty monotonous and stale. I mean how obvious was it that Randy Orton was in the cake last week when Triple H was going on in his whole spiel in the beginning of Raw? How many times do we have to see Triple H in the main event scene when we could be seeing matches like Benoit and Jericho for the heavyweight title? How many times do we have to see a ladder match between Jericho and Christian? (although that problem may soon be allieviated because Christian and HBK are feuding).

Right now, I think Raw definitely needs a HUGE change to get away from the same old same old. I'm hoping with Paul Heyman in now, they can finally accomplish that.

[Donnie Darko]

ok, when they made the brand split, I really thought Smackdown was going to be the show that really developed the "young" or "new" talent. It seems like even though Raw has many established superstars, they are also doing a better job developing new talent. I mean, look at the main event right now. Sure, there are some seasoned vets and an old fart in the ring, but Randy Orton and Shelton Benjamin have been turned into major players. Batista is also relatively new to the big time (WWE/WCW), dating back just a couple years I think. Smackdown's biggest "new" star is definitely John Cena, who I love. It seems like there next best young talent is Paul London.

[Eric Draven]

How about Renee Dupree? That guy is like only 20 years old and I think he's about ready to break out as a major heel. Luther Reigns is also another person who I think might be a good "monster" wrestler. Charlie Haas is also around as well. He's not doing much well, but give him one small break and I think he could be just as big as Shelton Benjamin.

And with Smackdown, they also seem to help develop talent that did nothing but spin their wheels on Raw. I'm talking about Booker T, Spike Dudley, JBL, heck even the Big Show. That's why I honestly pray that one day management decides to move the Hurricane to Smackdown. I can imagine him dominating the cruiserweight division and maybe even contend for the US title.

[Eric Draven]

Oh, and that was such a huge news on Raw this week wasn't it? ;)


I'm also glad that Christy won the damn diva contest rather than Carmella. :up:

[Savage]

It depressed me that Kane lost his kid. I know alot thought it was a stupid plotline and I know that it's all a show and all but it's just sad to me for that to happen to anyone. Hell I thought Lita was dead at first with the expression she had on her face...The whole thing was just depressing.

And anyone else think Shelton Benjamin got too large of an entrance? I mean huge explosions as soon as he walks out. Guys like Benoit and Triple H don't even have that. I don't think he's big enough for the pyro just yet. Even Lesnar had to earn it.

[0 Degrees]

I think the more main event players the better. I'd love for nothing more than Orton to win the title, HHH to like fake break his neck, Evolution to be directionless, and HBK, Y2J, Benjamin, and Benoit all in title running. Leave the Intercontinental to lower tier wrestlers like Christian or anyone besides the above mentioned. I mean, Y2J and HBK should be in a real title match, not the bloody IC.

[3dman27]

any ideas what you' like to see on TABOO TUESDAY me id like to see
lilian garcia vs stacy kiebler
molly vs either trish or stephanie macmahon[boxing]
hurricane&rosey vs rhino/tajiri

[0 Degrees]

Can't do boxing, the gaming commision gets involved.

I'd like to see HHH lose the title in a match with a retirement stipulation.

[Donnie Darko]

How about Renee Dupree? That guy is like only 20 years old and I think he's about ready to break out as a major heel. Luther Reigns is also another person who I think might be a good "monster" wrestler. Charlie Haas is also around as well. He's not doing much well, but give him one small break and I think he could be just as big as Shelton Benjamin.

And with Smackdown, they also seem to help develop talent that did nothing but spin their wheels on Raw. I'm talking about Booker T, Spike Dudley, JBL, heck even the Big Show. That's why I honestly pray that one day management decides to move the Hurricane to Smackdown. I can imagine him dominating the cruiserweight division and maybe even contend for the US title.

Yeah, today I realized how many people I forgot, like Renee. I had no idea he was THAT young. He's my age? That's pretty crazy. And I completely agree with the comment about the Hurricane.

[Rainbowbrite]

It seems like there next best young talent is Paul London.


who i love and the cake thing was very obvious and i thought it was stupid and did anyone catch raw last night the whole kane- lita loosing the baby was funny did anyone see the look on her face classic!!!its so ridiculous are we suppose to feel bad. Im actually happy about the whole situation now lita could fight trish for the womens title. christy winning proved that the whole diva search wasnt rigged or maybe the wwe realized a diva with no charisma and no in ring ability is just worthless (and by that i mean carmella)

[dr. loomis]

i always thought that rosey was gonna become the 'super villian' to hurricanes 'superhero' gimmick, but it looks like to me that it might be the other way around.

[dr. loomis]

Can't do boxing, the gaming commision gets involved.

I'd like to see HHH lose the title in a match with a retirement stipulation. yeah, that will never happen. would be nice though.

[The Batman]

Someone tell me what happened on RAW? In Detail?

[Eric Draven]

Yeah, today I realized how many people I forgot, like Renee. I had no idea he was THAT young. He's my age? That's pretty crazy. And I completely agree with the comment about the Hurricane.

Yeah, I was just as surprised when I heard about Dupree's age. They could give him the title in a year or two and he would be the new youngest heavyweight champion as well ;)

It's very criminal what the WWE is doing with the Hurricane right now. This guy has enough to be a decent mid-carder on the Raw. Heck, I even though he would've been after his min-feud with the Rock a few years back. The banter between the two was entertaining as hell, the Hurricane was getting over with the fans. And guess what happens? Triple H has to come along and just totally bury the guy :rolleyes:

[Donnie Darko]

I was actually thinking about that the other day. I often think about how bad some things about the WWE are, and what I would do if I was in charge of one of the shows. One of the things I've thought about was how I'd make Triple-H put the Hurricane over in a match, or take him off the air for a while.

[Eric Draven]

If I were in charge, I would make Triple H be wrestling on Sunday Night Heat...losing every single week to Stevie Richards :)

[The Ghoul]

If I were in charge, I would make Triple H be wrestling on Sunday Night Heat...losing every single week to Stevie Richards :)

No one deserves that... Not even HHH. But I do think Stevie needs a push, maybe his old ECW/WCW dancing gimmik that is always good for a laugh. :confused:

I saw this comercial during Raw for the past two weeks & it makes me confused. Because I only see it on Raw & it seems like a promo. It's of some fitness guru/ diet guy named Simon Dean & if you see the comercial you see what I mean. I never see this comericial anywhere else but on Raw, & the guy acts like an inconsderate *******. So, naturally you think it is a ****y promo for a bad heel idea. But then out of no where he starts showing prices & phone numbers for ****ty health products. But he is still saying things like "Are you fat, or disgusting? Or even worse, are you hanging around people even more fat & disgusting than you?" Can someone tell if this guy is a new guy in WWE or is he really just an *******... *Officially confused*:confused:

[Eric Draven]

Triple H definitely deserves it. Heck, he should even lose to Victoria on Heat if I had my way :)


And yeah, Simon Dean is supposed to be an upcoming wrestler on Raw. Apparently, even if you phone the number on the promo, you get a telephone message by Dean. Personally, I think it's another attempt to recreate the BodyDonnas gimmick...well without the embarrassing loss to Barry Horowitz ;)

But man, WWE really seems to be recycling gimmicks. First Carlito Carribean Cool, who's a lot like Razor Ramon. Now we have Simon Dean who's basically Chip 2.0. I'm just waiting for them to bring back another garbageman and plumber :p

[3dman27]

i always thought that rosey was gonna become the 'super villian' to hurricanes 'superhero' gimmick, but it looks like to me that it might be the other way around.
what makes you say that?doc?

[3dman27]

If I were in charge, I would make Triple H be wrestling on Sunday Night Heat...losing every single week to Stevie Richards :)
or worse yet, to lilian garcia

[Rainbowbrite]

if HHH were to loose to anyone on heat it would be val venis the guy looses on that show almost everytime hes on it. He lost to orton on heat and recently to rodney mack. He wins a match on tv once every two months. poor guy....

about taboo tuesday do you think if the fans want a boiler room brawl will get one of those. Personally i think they just say the fans are in charge of TT just so we think we are in control and buy the ppv

[Eric Draven]

Personally, I don't think fans are in charge of the match at all. Sure, they may say we will get to choose. But I have a feeling that the matches are gonna be as rigged as the Diva contest was.

[The Undertaker]

Holy crap.. Big Bossman died!

[Eric Draven]

I know :(

He's only 42 as well :(

It seems a majority of wrestlers from the 1980s-early 1990s are dying at that age :(

[3dman27]

my condolenses to the family of the big bossman
when i watched raw last monday i thought i saw an in memorium to someone but didn't notice whom it was for was it for the bossman?

[AmerikazMostWanted]

bossman died like yesterday dude WATS WRONG WITH YOU!

[zer00]

R.I.P BIG BOSSMAN

[Sabretooth]

R.i.p.

[GLfan]

WWE Pays Tribute To "Big Bossman" Ray Taylor
Date Added: September 23, 2004
Story By: Niel Stephens
World Wrestling Entertainment have paid tribute to the death of Ray Traylor, who worked within the company as "Big Boss Man".

As we reported earlier here at ProWrestling.Com, Traylor passed away suddenly yesterday in his Georgia home.

RIP big guy:(

[3dman27]

bossman died like yesterday dude WATS WRONG WITH YOU!like i said i saw an "in memorium notice at the strt of this past monday night raw but couldn't see who it was for thats why i asked

[Spider-Nerd]

No one deserves that... Not even HHH. But I do think Stevie needs a push, maybe his old ECW/WCW dancing gimmik that is always good for a laugh. :confused:

I saw this comercial during Raw for the past two weeks & it makes me confused. Because I only see it on Raw & it seems like a promo. It's of some fitness guru/ diet guy named Simon Dean & if you see the comercial you see what I mean. I never see this comericial anywhere else but on Raw, & the guy acts like an inconsderate *******. So, naturally you think it is a ****y promo for a bad heel idea. But then out of no where he starts showing prices & phone numbers for ****ty health products. But he is still saying things like "Are you fat, or disgusting? Or even worse, are you hanging around people even more fat & disgusting than you?" Can someone tell if this guy is a new guy in WWE or is he really just an *******... *Officially confused*:confused:
it's a rip off of that stupid gimmick that sunny and skip had in the 90's. That body donnas thing. Even that carriban cool thing looks like a razor ramon rip off. It's too early to judge yet, but it seems like a rip off to me.

[Mr.Webs]

Wow, that's really sad...may he rest in peace.:(

[The Ghoul]

That's a surprise. I come on the internet to discuss wrestling & the last thing I expect to hear (or see if you wanna be a dick about it) is The Bossman died. That is the saddest news I heard all week.

[Jason Blood]

I think JBL will retain the WWE Championship and Booker will win the best of five series so Cena can be pushed to Main eventer status

I can't believe they are just randomly throwing mid carders together for tag teams instead of building them up as a team

who do you guys think Spike will defend his CW Championship against?

[Omega Red]

Where is the Ultimo Dragon during all this?

[3dman27]

wasn't he released or maybe he's back in japan or on loan to ohio valley wrestling

[Jason Blood]

Where is the Ultimo Dragon during all this?

Ultimo is still under contract with the WWE

Ultimo took a hiatus from WWE to return to the Japan wrestling circuit for several months

he's been on hiatus since April...

[Sabretooth]

I was watching that clip of Kane getting pissed about losing the baby.It's sad,he's acting his best to keep it serious,and Lita just makes you want to laugh.:(

[Jason Blood]

I was watching that clip of Kane getting pissed about losing the baby.It's sad,he's acting his best to keep it serious,and Lita just makes you want to laugh.:(

Kane makes me laugh ten times more than Lita

Lita's acting isn't really that bad

[Sabretooth]

Kane makes me laugh ten times more than Lita

Lita's acting isn't really that bad
Well I have to admit that when he pauses after every word it gets annoying.

[Eric Draven]

Just imagine when Kane beats up Gene Snitsky.....such bad acting...:(

[Shadow_Crawler]

Only there's not much bad acting on Kane's part compared to Lita and Gene. =(

[DarkKnightJRK]

I got a question for y'all. Do any of you know what the deal with The Simon System stuff they're doing? The guy there looks familiar (I'm thinking Rico) but I can't tell. Does any of you know what's going on there?

[Shadow_Crawler]

No idea. It's really annoying and stupid though. Whoever it is... I hope he doesn't have a long career in the WWE.

[dr. loomis]

I was watching that clip of Kane getting pissed about losing the baby.It's sad,he's acting his best to keep it serious,and Lita just makes you want to laugh.:( his charecter is very annoying and confusing anymore. first he is this "monster unleashed" without the mask,doing evil stuff like setting j.r on fire. then he becomes a madman,every interview or promo is the sinnacal laughter and the heavy breathing. now he cons lita into giving up some a**, gets her pregnent, and now whines like a b**** about losing the baby. i really wish they would make up their mind.

[Shadow_Crawler]

MORE LIKE PUT THE MASK BACK ON HIM. @_@


It was kind of funny.. while sad when he set JR on fire. =(

[Donnie Darko]

ok, I was away from WWE for a while and recently came back full-time like as Lita announced she was pregnant. Can someone explained to me how Kane hit that?

[Shadow_Crawler]

If I remember correctly, Kane kidnapped her and banged her. Then he and Matt fought for the longest time over her, then Kane married her. =/

[Donnie Darko]

so was it rape or did she willingly give Kane a jump?

[3dman27]

I was watching that clip of Kane getting pissed about losing the baby.It's sad,he's acting his best to keep it serious,and Lita just makes you want to laugh.:( lita reminded me of a GLOW wrestler called dementia it may be lita will come back "insane " and blame lilian garcia of all people .for what happened to her[when a rulebreaker in the wwe takes a chair in the ring its usually lilians] anmd try to beat her up like kane did to jr

[Shadow_Crawler]

so was it rape or did she willingly give Kane a jump?
Rape, methinks. =/

[Eric Draven]

ok, I was away from WWE for a while and recently came back full-time like as Lita announced she was pregnant. Can someone explained to me how Kane hit that?

Kane first started going after Lita. Asking her for "something" (most likely to bang her). Lita refused at first. But after Kane kept continually beating on Matt Hardy, Lita agreed to sleep with Kane.

[Jason Blood]

I got a question for y'all. Do any of you know what the deal with The Simon System stuff they're doing? The guy there looks familiar (I'm thinking Rico) but I can't tell. Does any of you know what's going on there?

Simon Dean is Nova's gimmick

[Jason Blood]

MORE LIKE PUT THE MASK BACK ON HIM. @_@


It was kind of funny.. while sad when he set JR on fire. =(

BAH GAWD!!! I'M ON FIRE!!!

[Rainbowbrite]

MORE LIKE PUT THE MASK BACK ON HIM. @_@


It was kind of funny.. while sad when he set JR on fire. =(

sad.... i was on the floor laughing i think the whole pregnancy thing is the dumbest thing ive ever seen and this gene snitsky guy adds to the annoyance. "It wasnt my fault" shut up like any one cares about you. Kane was trying not to laugh it was so funny. I hope Kane beats up Lita i mean if he doesnt want to look soft. Blame it on her and how she was to weak or something to keep the baby how its all her fault. What an evil person i am i laugh when people get set on fire

[The Batman]

He should set Gene on fire...that'd be freakin cool!!!

And they should make him more unbeatable....It was stupid to take off the mask, so they better give him a title....

[Shadow_Crawler]

sad.... i was on the floor laughing i think the whole pregnancy thing is the dumbest thing ive ever seen and this gene snitsky guy adds to the annoyance. "It wasnt my fault" shut up like any one cares about you. Kane was trying not to laugh it was so funny. I hope Kane beats up Lita i mean if he doesnt want to look soft. Blame it on her and how she was to weak or something to keep the baby how its all her fault. What an evil person i am i laugh when people get set on fire
Just too bad he won't because she's his "wife." Or else I'd agree that he should give her a chokeslam or something. =/

Seriously though, I'd really like to see the Kane/Lita/Snitsky thing ended. It's probably the worst story since Tyson being with DX. Or maybe since Matt and Lita broke up. And putting a JOBBER on RAW is just really stupid. I hate it.

He should set Gene on fire...that'd be freakin cool!!!

And they should make him more unbeatable....It was stupid to take off the mask, so they better give him a title....
Gene on fire would rule.

[Eric Draven]

But just imagine the bad acting when he's set on fire...:(

[Shadow_Crawler]

It would be pretty bad.

A friend brought up a good point though. Mayhaps his acting really isn't so bad, but that's just how they're writing him into the show. It's possible.

[Eric Draven]

What a surprise. They tease a Ric Flair face turn, and once again, they backtrack on it. How many times has this been done already? :rolleyes:

[Jason Blood]

I must give props to the WWE

all of the fans would have voted for Orton to face HHH if they could

it sets up an Orton Vs. Flair match and it also makes the WHC match alot more interesting

[Shadow_Crawler]

I really don't care to see Orton vs. HHH again. HHH vs. Michaels is a classic though... and wouldn't mind seeing it one more time. Then again, I'd also REALLY like to see Benoit vs. HHH or Edge vs. HHH.

Just as long as it isn't Orton vs. HHH.

[Spider-Nerd]

The flair/orton promo was gold.

[Shadow_Crawler]

Orton/Flair did rule.

I really wouldn't be surprised if it helps lead to the break-up of Evolution, since it's supposedly supposed to be happening within the next few months. But yeah, it was really good.

[Rainbowbrite]

The flair/orton promo was gold.



that was great i really thought flair was going to turn face.(im dumb that way i should of seeen it coming). im going to raw next week and im happy to sy hbk is fighting christian since i like seeing them both im getting a match out of them. i really hope snitsky doesnt fight on raw(especially since i paid good money not to see ppl like him wrestle) hes really annoying and they are playing a already played out story. Its gotten to the point where i want to change the channel b/c its getting old.

i for one am excited orto's out of title pic .i like how edge was on the list for the championship i think if this isnt a hoax , to see if the fans really do like edge. im voting (even if its fake) for hbk vs. HHH they have not wrestled since may so it would be fresh.

[3dman27]

i tried voting yesterday but there is'nt anywhere on the taboo tueday page to vote at so at this point i think its bogus

anybody have this weeks smackdown results?

[Shadow_Crawler]

Or Maybe Voting Hasn't Even Begun Yet @_@

[3dman27]

Or Maybe Voting Hasn't Even Begun Yet @_@
i don't think they would announce the choices if voing wasn't open

[Rainbowbrite]

is this sunday really going to be cena's last appearence for a while b/c hes filming a movie or is it just a rumor ???

[Shadow_Crawler]

It is true. He's doing the movie so that they can supposedly work on his acting for the ring.

[3dman27]

now about tonights smackdown results...

[Donnie Darko]

ok, JBL said that the Undertaker killed Hulkamania. I was "gone" when Hogan called it quits. Someone explain.

[Jason Blood]

Carlito Carribean Cool is going to be on Smackdown next week

I'm going to flip out if his finisher is something like the "Carribean Edge" or something else ripping off Razor

[Donnie Darko]

no takers on the Undertaker/Hogan explanation?

[The Undertaker]

Probably just referring to the first time when he beat Hogan for the title at Survivor Series and the second time he beat Hogan for the title. The second time being at Judgement Day. Basically anyone who beats Hogan for the title kills or retires Hulkamania, in Takers case he did 'it' twice.

[The Undertaker]

Ugh, bull! I was hoping the Heiden-whatever feud wouldn't happen and Taker' could grab the belt the final and fifth time. Oh well.. some nice bumps during the match though.

[Savage]

Yeah that match was insane! Well compared to the crap we've been getting anyway. Or it could just be that I'm a Taker fan but man, now THAT'S an ass kickin. There were moments where I seriously thought they just started wailing on each other for real. Now you know a wrestling match is good when you begin to question if they're faking it or not. Taker and the Dudleys are the most entertaining wrestlers today imo(also Jericho, HBK, and Edge). I haven't actually gotten up an yelled stuff at the tv during a wrestling match in a long time. Or actually be pissed off by the ending. But man I actually started clapping when the car stopped and Taker woke up pissed and started handin out cans of whoopass. Good show tonight WWE.:D:up:

Hope Taker still gets around to JBL and Heidenreich though. Remind em who's been boss for 14 freakin years!:cool:

[The Undertaker]

Yeah that match was insane! Well compared to the crap we've been getting anyway. Or it could just be that I'm a Taker fan but man, now THAT'S an ass kickin. There were moments where I seriously thought they just started wailing on each other for real. Now you know a wrestling match is good when you begin to question if they're faking it or not. Taker and the Dudleys are the most entertaining wrestlers today imo(also Jericho, HBK, and Edge). I haven't actually gotten up an yelled stuff at the tv during a wrestling match in a long time. Or actually be pissed off by the ending. But man I actually started clapping when the car stopped and Taker woke up pissed and started handin out cans of whoopass. Good show tonight WWE.:D:up:

Hope Taker still gets around to JBL and Heidenreich though. Remind em who's been boss for 14 freakin years!:cool:

Yeah, he probably "died" or something in the car crash. In about three weeks he'll return for Heiden-whatever with some dramatic entrance. Any normal wrestler and it would probably annoy me as much as what he does, but its Taker.. you just can't hate him! :up:

[Chaos]

Source (http://www.thehonkytonkman.com/news/98854423.shtml)


Rumors have started to surface that Kane has given his notice to WWE. The reason for the apparent notice is that Kane wasn’t happy with the substantial pay cut when renewing his contract with the company recently.

I suppose will find out if this true in the next few days, but if it is i don't Blame Glen Jacobs.

He's constantly gotten some of the worst angles in WWF/WWE history IMO

[dr. loomis]

Source (http://www.thehonkytonkman.com/news/98854423.shtml)




I suppose will find out if this true in the next few days, but if it is i don't Blame Glen Jacobs.

He's constantly gotten some of the worst angles in WWF/WWE history IMO
true dat!!! kane is a constant charecter, and has been since his debut. his charecter hasnt really changed,just kinda constantly evolved. they bring him up every so often and put him in semi-major to major storylines, then is dropped down. most of the story lines end up eventually in a title shot, or #1 contender status. he is never rewarded. i think one time for 24 hours he was champ. so if the rumors are true,i really dont blame kane for saying adios, i may not like his charecter half the time, but he has MORE than payed his dues in the wwe. :bomb:

[The Batman]

If I were Kane, I would've quit a long time ago...

Kane has been constantly underutilized. He's only held the championship once. When hes the monster version of Kane, it starts off great, but then they make him act or do something stupid. He's character is constantly dragged through the mud. and to top it all off, the remove one of the best parts of his gimmick, his mask, in the worst reveal EVER. 5 years and all we get is some crappy black makeup?

[The Batman]

And as for taker, i want to see him hurt Heidenreich. BAD

[The Undertaker]

The whole finale of last nights match was utter crap. The whole interference card is more annoying than anything and has been done to hell. Even the whole car explosion at the end didn't widen my eyes because its all been done before. Try something more original. The whole end where Heind-whatever jumped out and the whole ether thing, seemed rather rushed. I mean, ether can't stop Taker, a substance that can damn near kill someone with too much of it.. but a few punches can. That was half-assed. All so predictable. They better up the notch on pay TV from now on because it was a horrible finish.

[Sava]

I hope Kane isn't leaving

[The Batman]

You know, Christy's hot as hell...

I just went to her site....WHOA!!!!!

I mean, she probably won't be in the WWE by next year, but DAYUM!

[Donnie Darko]

And as for taker, i want to see him hurt Heidenreich. BAD

yeah, I really hate Heidenreich. I'd love to see a Raw/Smackdown crossover event, where their "monsters" match up against each other. I would pay to see Batista plant Heidenreich through the ring.

[3dman27]

i saw something on raw last night that clears up an earlier post on hurricane becoming a super VILLIAN
an after match match brawl with la resistance rosey's mask got twisted into a blindfold and he acidently body slammed hurricanehurri could either become bitter due to this or the resulting concussion could warp his personality bringing forth the villianous hurricane

[Metamorpho1977]

could someone post Christy's website?

[The Batman]

Christyhemme.com

[Rainbowbrite]

i really dont want kane to leave. to be honest i like his snitsky storyline more then i did before when kanes not wrestling you dont realize how much you miss him i was watching the show last night and i was very dissappointed that he was on for a whopping two minutes thats crap right there. Is kane turning into a face?? because it seems like he is. i hope its only for a couple of months if he does indeed turn into a face. I mean it ruins his character when hes good but maybe thats what he needs is a face lift. or the kane face turn could be to establish snitsky's character. i dont know but i dont like it

[The Batman]

That pissed me off.

How the hell is Kane gonna job to snitsky? he shouldve whooped his ass while he was still bleeding.

Kane should beat the crap outta him, light him on fire, leave him a bloody mess, and then put him in a van and push it off a cliff......

[Eric Draven]

I just have to give a big "WTF" to the ending of this week's Smackdown:

Carlito Caribbean Cool is the new US champion

:rolleyes:

[3dman27]

I just have to give a big "WTF" to the ending of this week's Smackdown:

Carlito Caribbean Cool is the new US champion

:rolleyes:
sond a bit like they did with gail kim on raw [give them a title in thier first matches] can anyone post the results of smackdown? dont forget to use spoiler warning thanks

[The Batman]

I just have to give a big "WTF" to the ending of this week's Smackdown:

Carlito Caribbean Cool is the new US champion

:rolleyes:


If hes good, I'll let that slide

[Rainbowbrite]

i wont let it slide thats bull***** im sorry the guys first week on smackdown and he gets a major title shot and then wwins it. i dont care if cena qwas leaving and he needed to loose it fine but to this new guy ccc. rvd is so much more deserving of the title so are alot of other people you cant give a guy a title his first major week in im sorry.



raw news i have if anyone interested vince almost fired ric flair b/c of his promo theone at the beginning when he was talking about orton being a virgin that was unscripted and vince didnt like what he was saying and he got heat backstage for it. this security guard tackled this guy and his drink fell on this girl because he tried to grab orton when he ran through the crowd to gettto ring at end of the main event.poor girl imo

[Eric Draven]

If hes good, I'll let that slide

Yeah, if he's good. But giving him the US title after only his first televised match in the WWE? Kinda premature IMO. Besides, there are plenty of other wrestlers right now who should've taken the belt instead.

[The Batman]

They did do the same thing with Gail Kim.

But, if were Booker T, I'd be pissed.


I think Booker T has a face turn tommorow night, and possible a fued with orlando jordan

[The Batman]

Oh yeah, i heard Carmella signed with the WWE. is that true?

[Eric Draven]

They did do the same thing with Gail Kim.

But, if were Booker T, I'd be pissed.


I think Booker T has a face turn tommorow night, and possible a fued with orlando jordan

Actually I think Kim got the title after her second match on Raw, not first. And besides, what other women contenders were out there at the moment?

In Cena's case, you could've had any of their current midcarders come out and challenge him for the title instead of a guy who hasn't even had one full match yet.

I mean how must you feel being Charlie Haas, Renee Dupree, or any of the other mid-carders who busted your ass for a few months, and yet haven't even had the US title yet?

[3dman27]

actually eric it WAS her first match which was a battle royal wher she won the title

[The Batman]

Actually I think Kim got the title after her second match on Raw, not first. And besides, what other women contenders were out there at the moment?

In Cena's case, you could've had any of their current midcarders come out and challenge him for the title instead of a guy who hasn't even had one full match yet.

I mean how must you feel being Charlie Haas, Renee Dupree, or any of the other mid-carders who busted your ass for a few months, and yet haven't even had the US title yet?


especially in Haas' case. When you're former tag partner gets to beat HHH 3 times, and you still job to kurt angle, and you're stuck in a weird tag team, i'd be super pissed too...

Especially when you have a finisher and said partner dosent

[Eric Draven]

actually eric it WAS her first match which was a battle royal wher she won the title

Yeah, I just checked. She actually did. My mistake.


Still, that doesn't erase the fact that it feels like such a cheat. There are just so many other wrestlers who deserve the title more than a guy who just came on. Especially for a title like the US championship, which is like the number 2 title belt on Smackdown. I know that Dupree and Suzuki are currently tag team champions and Haas is currently tag-teaming with Rico. But this could've been a perfect opportunity for someone like say, Billy Kidman, to finally break out. Imagine him coming out to challenge Cena and actually win the US title. That would've been a much more favorable outcome IMO.

[3dman27]

yeah your right but with kidman's recent "let me out of wrestling "storyline it wouldn't make toomuch sense for a guy who'd been burning out on wrestling to win the us title

[Sabretooth]

I'm pissed at this Carlito guy.Damn.It must suck for people like RVD.

[The Batman]

yeah, i know.


Booker T, RVD, and Kane are pretty much the most mistreated guys in the WWE

[dr. loomis]

yeah, i know.


Booker T, RVD, and Kane are pretty much the most mistreated guys in the WWE
very true, but booker and kane more than rvd. kane has had some charecter changes, as did booker, but rvd has always been a face in wwe. his charecter hasnt changed one bit. now i like rvd, and i dont believe in constantly changing charecters, but his gimmick is more than stale. i also think y2j deserves another title run. get god d*** hhh out of the title picture for a while. orton really should have held on to it. i dont believe it is more exciting watching him fight for it. i would much rather have hhh fight for it,keep losing, and get dropped down to mid card. hhh more than deserves his props, but gimmie a break!!!!