Wrestling

[AmerikazMostWanted]

wrestling !!!!!! 2,000

[3dman27]

i was visiting wwe.com a few minutes ago and saw that this weeks raw is being held in manchester england now as i understand there's a 12 hour time difference. so i wonder will it be tapedelayed or beamed by sattilite at 9 AM english time. i memember asking once why raw &smackdown never aired broadcasts from thier english tours now i've got a chance to find out i still wonder if there will be any storyline differences can anybody clue me in?thanks

[Jason Blood]

very true, but booker and kane more than rvd. kane has had some charecter changes, as did booker, but rvd has always been a face in wwe. his charecter hasnt changed one bit. now i like rvd, and i dont believe in constantly changing charecters, but his gimmick is more than stale. i also think y2j deserves another title run. get god d*** hhh out of the title picture for a while. orton really should have held on to it. i dont believe it is more exciting watching him fight for it. i would much rather have hhh fight for it,keep losing, and get dropped down to mid card. hhh more than deserves his props, but gimmie a break!!!!


Jericho has the IC title

[Rainbowbrite]

is booker t retiring soon????

[Eric Draven]

yeah your right but with kidman's recent "let me out of wrestling "storyline it wouldn't make toomuch sense for a guy who'd been burning out on wrestling to win the us title

I don't think he has that gimmick anymore after the events of this week's Smackdown ;)

I've heard some sites call him the Shawn Michaels to Paul London's Marty Jannetty...I could definitely see that happening.

[3dman27]

I don't think he has that gimmick anymore after the events of this week's Smackdown ;)

I've heard some sites call him the Shawn Michaels to Paul London's Marty Jannetty...I could definitely see that happening.
thats right eric i wrote that post you replied to before he turned heel his heel turn is a result of the burnout

[SLYspyda]

why the hell would vince give flair a hard time over what he said? that was some good stuff, i actually laughed out loud when he said what he said, and i applaud him if he came up with it himself.

that would be nice if carmella signed with the WWE, i really hated her when she first started, but now, i love to hate her, just like everyone else who supposedly hated her, but she managed to come in 2nd.

i wonder how wrestlers like the rock, HHH, orton and so forth go out on live TV and their lines come out smoothly each time. it never seems like they forget anything.

[The Batman]

Anyone know any site where i can find some animations of finishers?

[Eric Draven]

why the hell would vince give flair a hard time over what he said? that was some good stuff, i actually laughed out loud when he said what he said, and i applaud him if he came up with it himself.

that would be nice if carmella signed with the WWE, i really hated her when she first started, but now, i love to hate her, just like everyone else who supposedly hated her, but she managed to come in 2nd.

i wonder how wrestlers like the rock, HHH, orton and so forth go out on live TV and their lines come out smoothly each time. it never seems like they forget anything.

Apparently, Vince was pissed at Flair because there were some potential advertisers watching the show and Vince was scared that Flair's whole "making virgins bleed" comment might scare away these advertisers. Or at least something like that.


It is amazing though that wrestlers can have their lines come out smoothly. Look at Eugene. I mean, a whole bunch of people may hate that gimmick now, but you gotta give Nick Dinsmore some props for staying in character the entire time, not to mention I've yet to see him crack up once.

[3dman27]

i think eric is referring to the fact that the fcc is concerned about public decency more than ever nowadays with all the heavy fines they're doling out mr mc mahon was concerned about being held liable for an fcc violation

[Eric Draven]

Actually, it was not really the fcc. Here's the real reason from lordsofpain.net:

After reporting the backstage incident between Ric Flair and Vince McMahon, fans wondered why Vince would get so mad about the "bleeding virgin" comments when the company has been known to get far more outlandish on television.

PWTorch.com reports that McMahon was most notably upset due to having affiliates and sponsors in Madison Square Garden for the show. When someone invites clients to a show, the hope is that the show will convince them that their money is being spent on a solid product. Vince was embarrassed and feared the sponsors might react negatively to Flair's words.

Those backstage felt the "verbal beatdown" got so bad that there was fear Flair would be fired on the spot. McMahon reportedly kept the legend at RAW past midnight just to continue chewing him out.

[3dman27]

thank you eric

[Jason Blood]

I'm beginning to think that RAW will suck tonight

I've just got this feeling

[3dman27]

because the raw preview didn't give too much info? maybe it was written that way in cas some of the raw superstars couldn't make it to england

[The Ghoul]

Am I the only one who notices Heindenreich's lisp. I just thought I should mention it

[GuardianofOa]

Aside from Trish and Stacy, the show was pretty good. Everyone wrestled really well. The promos, save for Snitsky were pretty good. Orton and Flairs segment was good. Matches were ok. Hopefully Venis will come back really pissed at Kane after Kane destroys Snitsky. I miss Val. He's a great wrestler, IC contender easily. Taboo Tues is gonna be lame in my opinion. Anyway.



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"Solomon Grundy want pants too!"

"Karate Explosion!"

"..................." -Snake Eyes

[3dman27]

i have it on tape i though the kiebler -stratus match was pretty good myself i didn't think stacey could wrestle that good

[Rainbowbrite]

stacy isnt a good wrestler i dont think she can wrestle but it looks like she is making a effort to try to wrestle.hey do you think stacy has been wrestling of late b/c she might actually win the title. even though i think she is a awful wrestler i would love to see her be champion i just like her one of my favorite girls in wwe

[3dman27]

i wouldn't mind seeing her win the strap also i understand this weeks smacdown was also taped in england does anyone know what the results were is ask because if there are no matches interesting me i can watch a college footbal game instead

whats the address of that rajah wrestling site again?

[Nero_Ordin]

smackdown is beginning to suck and why is raw going the same direction?

[Savage]

smackdown is beginning to suck and why is raw going the same direction?
Because they don't have any big competition so they're being lazy. It's been this way for years now...Ooooh how I miss ECW.:(

[Eric Draven]

Hell yeah they're being lazy as hell due to the monopoly. I mean a great example is Pat Patterson getting released this week. He just moved to Raw a few weeks ago as part of the creative team. Allegedly, when asked about his opinion about why Raw hasn't been good lately, he said it was because of Triple H. Shortly thereafter, he was released. Anybody notice a pattern? :rolleyes:


Right now Vince is acting like a total dumbass. It's basically his show and he can do whatever he wants. If anybody speaks out against him, they're gone. I just wish a company like NWA can get big so Vince can finally wake the **** up.

[Shadow_Crawler]

From ICv2 (http://www.icv2.com/articles/home/5849.html):

October 13, 2004

According to the Hollywood Reporter, WWE is having preliminary discussions with a number of cable venues about the programming currently carried by Viacom's Spike TV. Among the companies involved are Turner Broadcasting, NBC Universal (for USA), FX Networks, and Spike. Five hours of weekly programming are involved in the negotiations, including the weekly two hour "Raw" block, "Heat," Velocity" and Experience."

The article indicates that WWE is exploring a move because of a 50% decline in ratings and the aging of its audience (which currently has a median age of 34) since it moved to Spike four years ago.

For pop culture retailers, a new venue that stimulated a new batch of younger WWE viewers could stimulate sales of the Comic Images CCG and Jakks toys.

[Go Web Go!]

Hey there, guys. I've been gone for awhile now because I've been having computer problems, BUT I'm back which means that it's time to bring you the results of this weeks SmackDown:

Theodore Long announces Cena is hospitalized with a punctured lung; RVD def. Rene Dupree; Kidman def. Charlie Haas; Rey Mysterio wins a battle royal for a shot at the U.S. title; JBL def. Hardcore Holly; Undertaker def. Heidenreich.

And here's an interesting note I found: The name of WWE's new January PPV, set to emanate from Puerto Rico has been revealed as "New Year's Revolution." The show takes place on 1/5/05.

I wonder if that means that they'll be getting rid of the Royal Rumble like they did with King of the Ring...

[3dman27]

Hey there, guys. I've been gone for awhile now because I've been having computer problems, BUT I'm back which means that it's time to bring you the results of this weeks SmackDown:

Theodore Long announces Cena is hospitalized with a punctured lung; RVD def. Rene Dupree; Kidman def. Charlie Haas; Rey Mysterio wins a battle royal for a shot at the U.S. title; JBL def. Hardcore Holly; Undertaker def. Heidenreich.

And here's an interesting note I found: The name of WWE's new January PPV, set to emanate from Puerto Rico has been revealed as "New Year's Revolution." The show takes place on 1/5/05.

I wonder if that means that they'll be getting rid of the Royal Rumble like they did with King of the Ring...welcome back gwg and thanks i think mr cena 's"punctured lung" is just a storyline plot device to explain his abcense while he's off shooting that movie role i read about earlier on in this thread which brings back something i've wondered about why does the wwe jalways use plot devices to explain thier grapplers absenses this way if they REALLY WERE in an acident or in the current example injured in a bar brawl NOBODY would believe it they'll say "aww that's just a wrestling angle"

[Eric Draven]

Oh man, they better, better not get rid of the Royal Rumble. That's like the WWE's second major PPV behind Wrestlemania. I actually look forward to the RR more than WM to be honest because the battle royal rocks. Plus, the RR is even better with the split now because it's like your one chance nowadays to see Raw and Smackdown superstars team up with each other or fight each other all at the same time.


Horrible idea if they decide to scrap it :mad:

[Nero_Ordin]

i hate the separation of raw and samckdown why can't it be one big chaotic mess like it used to be. and bring back the hardcore title.

[Eric Draven]

Well if Raw and Smackdown weren't separated, I doubt guys like Guerrero and Benoit would've held the title. And would you really like to see Triple H dominate both shows? ;)

[3dman27]

i hate the separation of raw and samckdown why can't it be one big chaotic mess like it used to be. and bring back the hardcore title.
quote paul bearer

OH YESSS

[Rainbowbrite]

i hate the seperation too its annoying seeing the same people wrestle each other at every ppv i mean when benoit had the title who did he face HHH at backlash HHH at vengeance HHH iron man match the only time he didnt face HHH was a bad blood b/c he was feuding with michaels and summerslam with eugene who did benoit even get the oppurtunity to defend his title against. There was that match in pheonix with hbk bad blood with kane and orton who he lost to. Now lets go to smackdown. eddie guerrero who has he faced angle and jbl. now jbl undertaker and eddie. i would love to see the shows combined or have a ppv called raw vs. smackdown where the matches are between raw superstars and smackdown superstars.
i mean i dont think angle has wrestled HBK angle has never wrestled orton.
HBK never wrestled eddie. i mean come on think of all the feuds and storylines wwe would get if they did have the shows combined.

Now going back to royal rumble they are not getting rid of it thats probably a brand exclusive ppv most likely for raw if smackdown gets armageddon this year. i mean look when it is the beginning of january. i love the RR always loved it i love those classic ppvs i dont know when you hear summerslam or wrestlemania survior series and royal rumble you think cool i might see a history making moment or match. i still dont understand why they got rid of the king of the ring. i mean if they wanted to they could have that be the raw vs. smackdown ppv have the finalists from both shows wreslte one another and have it come down to one raw SS and one Smackdown SS. to determine which show has the king of the ring which show is the better show. i remember there was a time when they only had one champion where being wwe champ actually meant something and gave a damn the wwe championship on smackdown sucks it isnt even the main storyline half the time and it should be. i think its because of who is champ jbl bradshaw from apa who i bet half of you dont even remember was at wrestlemania XX and competed

[Eric Draven]

i hate the seperation too its annoying seeing the same people wrestle each other at every ppv i mean when benoit had the title who did he face HHH at backlash HHH at vengeance HHH iron man match the only time he didnt face HHH was a bad blood b/c he was feuding with michaels and summerslam with eugene who did benoit even get the oppurtunity to defend his title against. There was that match in pheonix with hbk bad blood with kane and orton who he lost to. Now lets go to smackdown. eddie guerrero who has he faced angle and jbl. now jbl undertaker and eddie. i would love to see the shows combined or have a ppv called raw vs. smackdown where the matches are between raw superstars and smackdown superstars.
i mean i dont think angle has wrestled HBK angle has never wrestled orton.
HBK never wrestled eddie. i mean come on think of all the feuds and storylines wwe would get if they did have the shows combined.



But think also if the split hadn't had happened. We would probably only get a few exclusive people in the main event all the time. I'm talking about Triple H just taking up the main event on BOTH shows. I actually prefer it now because I can watch Smackdown without having to worry about Triple H tainting any of the wrestlers. I mean right now on Raw, Triple H is probably the only credible heel on the show. Imagine what would happen if there was no split. Both shows would just have one main event heel and that's it. However, that being said, I do not like the direction they are taking with the split. Yeah, Angle has never wrestled HBK or Orton. But that could easily be alleviated if they went back to trading and/or signing free agents again. That would once again make both brands look competitive in their quest to continue to sign free agents as well as keep up a rivalry between the show which is sorely missed IMO. Also matches between Raw and Smackdown superstars can happen. And that's in those crossover PPVs like WM or Royal Rumble. And that might actually make more people go and watch those PPVs because it might be their only opportunity to watch a match between Cena and Orton for example.

[The Batman]

anyone else pissed that they didnt show taker whooping heidenreichs ass?

[Donnie Darko]

I seriously hate Heidenreich. I can't stand it when he's on. He is easily my least favorite Smackdown superstar. I really don't like the Undertaker, either, though. I don't know why, but I've never been a Taker fan.

[Go Web Go!]

Heidenreich isn't one of my favorites either, but I'll tell you this much: I'd rather see him on tv over Gene Snitsky.

[Eric Draven]

Let's be honest, I think anybody would rather see a 30 minutes hold match between Batista and Tyson Tomko than Gene Snitsky.

It's such a waste that Kane has to feud with him. Jesus, that guy never gets any respect in the WWE....

[Go Web Go!]

You'd think that they would get someone the fans are familiar with to take part in what probably is one of the top 3 feuds on RAW right now. I mean, come on...Gene Snitsky? Are Al Snow or Steven Richards too busy?

[3dman27]

i hate the seperation too its annoying seeing the same people wrestle each other at every ppv i mean when benoit had the title who did he face HHH at backlash HHH at vengeance HHH iron man match the only time he didnt face HHH was a bad blood b/c he was feuding with michaels and summerslam with eugene who did benoit even get the oppurtunity to defend his title against. There was that match in pheonix with hbk bad blood with kane and orton who he lost to. Now lets go to smackdown. eddie guerrero who has he faced angle and jbl. now jbl undertaker and eddie. i would love to see the shows combined or have a ppv called raw vs. smackdown where the matches are between raw superstars and smackdown superstars.
i mean i dont think angle has wrestled HBK angle has never wrestled orton.
HBK never wrestled eddie. i mean come on think of all the feuds and storylines wwe would get if they did have the shows combined.

Now going back to royal rumble they are not getting rid of it thats probably a brand exclusive ppv most likely for raw if smackdown gets armageddon this year. i mean look when it is the beginning of january. i love the RR always loved it i love those classic ppvs i dont know when you hear summerslam or wrestlemania survior series and royal rumble you think cool i might see a history making moment or match. i still dont understand why they got rid of the king of the ring. i mean if they wanted to they could have that be the raw vs. smackdown ppv have the finalists from both shows wreslte one another and have it come down to one raw SS and one Smackdown SS. to determine which show has the king of the ring which show is the better show. i remember there was a time when they only had one champion where being wwe champ actually meant something and gave a damn the wwe championship on smackdown sucks it isnt even the main storyline half the time and it should be. i think its because of who is champ jbl bradshaw from apa who i bet half of you dont even remember was at wrestlemania XX and competedking of the ring the name of a raw vs smackdown ppv? that ought to work :hyper: :hyper:

[Go Web Go!]

The Rumble shouldn't be exclusive to any one show. It's a good way to build up interpromotional feuds. This probably isn't the best example, but it helped build up the Goldberg/Lesnar feud everyone wanted until they realized it was going to be a total failure.

I still say they should recombine the rosters though. I wouldn't mind seeing an Orton/Cena feud or old rivalries like Triple H/Angle and HBK/Undertaker being renewed.

[Metamorpho1977]

I want Farooq to come back and beat the hell out of JBL and take the belt. If the rumors I've heard are true, Farooq is coming back and he's supposed to be coming with some friends of his own. N.O.D.

If you kids don't know what NOD is, go slap yer momma and ask her.

[3dman27]

the nation of domination is returning? sounds good bu i thought he went back to using his REAL NAME ron simmons

[Eric Draven]

The Rumble shouldn't be exclusive to any one show. It's a good way to build up interpromotional feuds. This probably isn't the best example, but it helped build up the Goldberg/Lesnar feud everyone wanted until they realized it was going to be a total failure.

I still say they should recombine the rosters though. I wouldn't mind seeing an Orton/Cena feud or old rivalries like Triple H/Angle and HBK/Undertaker being renewed.

That's what Wrestlemania is for. And that'll make the show that much better because it'll be your only chance to see those type of matches happen. Besides, this way, you'll also get some Raw wrestlers interfering on Smackdown again or vice versa, building up a bit more rivalry, etc.

I mean screw Triple H vs Orton for WM 21, I'd rather see Orton vs Cena. Or even Orton vs The Rock.

[Go Web Go!]

I want Farooq to come back and beat the hell out of JBL and take the belt. If the rumors I've heard are true, Farooq is coming back and he's supposed to be coming with some friends of his own. N.O.D.

If you kids don't know what NOD is, go slap yer momma and ask her.

Farooq as the WWE champion? Come on...A feud between he and JBL wouldnt be a bad idea, but I doubt that there are many people who want to see them feud for the WWE title. This time last year both these guys were'nt even regulars on Smackdown. Hell, they were lucky to even have a match on Velocity. Anyway, I don't know if we'll see Farooq around anytime soon. The reason he was released was because he refused to go to rehab for a drug problem. Wrestlers that have had similar problems haven't been known to make it back to the WWE and succeed, but then again look at Eddie Guerrero. I could be wrong...

[The Batman]

That's what Wrestlemania is for. And that'll make the show that much better because it'll be your only chance to see those type of matches happen. Besides, this way, you'll also get some Raw wrestlers interfering on Smackdown again or vice versa, building up a bit more rivalry, etc.

I mean screw Triple H vs Orton for WM 21, I'd rather see Orton vs Cena. Or even Orton vs The Rock.


Yeah. A match between the two 3rd generation superstars would kick ass.

I'd like to see Angle's faction VS Evolution too.

[Eric Draven]

Maybe just Batista/Flair vs. Reigns/Jinrak for WM 21 ;)

or maybe just Reigns vs. Batista :up:

[The Batman]

Maybe just Batista/Flair vs. Reigns/Jinrak for WM 21 ;)

or maybe just Reigns vs. Batista :up:


Yeah. I'd only want to see the faction match because i'd like to see Reigns and Batista mess each other up, or have Triple H face off against angle.

If orton were still part of Evolution, it would've been great to see him face jindrak

[Rainbowbrite]

I seriously hate Heidenreich. I can't stand it when he's on. He is easily my least favorite Smackdown superstar. I really don't like the Undertaker, either, though. I don't know why, but I've never been a Taker fan.
i feel the same exact way about taker too now dont get me wrong i like the guy but i never really got excited about a match of his except maybe WMXX.
the fans are not booing heidenreich because they dont like him the way they boo HHH/angle etc they boo him because they really dont like him dont want to see him didnt pay money to hear him read poems (or wrestle)

[Sabretooth]

i feel the same exact way about taker too now dont get me wrong i like the guy but i never really got excited about a match of his except maybe WMXX.
the fans are not booing heidenreich because they dont like him the way they boo HHH/angle etc they boo him because they really dont like him dont want to see him didnt pay money to hear him read poems (or wrestle)
Actually when people boo HHH,they mean it.They hate him too.

[The Batman]

I dont know about you two, but i cant imagine not liking Taker. 14 years of so many storylines. His fued with Hogan, Ultimate Warrior, His famous speech when he lost that casket match, his hand rising from the grave after the buried alive match, his wrestlemania 14 entrance. Taker just has a crapload of great moments

[Eric Draven]

I like the Taker. However, this is just me, but I seem to like the Badass Taker more than the Deadman Taker right now. Now don't get me wrong, the Deadman Taker was good....10 years ago. But right now, in this day and age, I thought the Biker gimmick was better suited for him. Plus a name like the Undertaker sounds like a kickass Biker name as well :up:

[Go Web Go!]

I didn't mind the biker gimmick either, but it's nice to see him go back to the character that helped make him one of the best superstars wrestling has ever seen. It's not the same as it used to be, but it still manages to give most fans chills down their spine.

[Metamorpho1977]

I think Farooq would be a great WWE Champion. He was the first ever black NWA and WCW world Champion. Although I'd like to see him come back as Ron Simmons.

[Eric Draven]

I seriously hope Farooq doesn't win the title. Sure it might be interesting for him to return and have a short (and I mean like 1 or 2 match) feud with JBL just as a payoff to the way the APA ended shortly after WM 20. But I'd rather see Booker T hold the championship rather than Farooq.

[Sabretooth]

I like the Taker. However, this is just me, but I seem to like the Badass Taker more than the Deadman Taker right now. Now don't get me wrong, the Deadman Taker was good....10 years ago. But right now, in this day and age, I thought the Biker gimmick was better suited for him. Plus a name like the Undertaker sounds like a kickass Biker name as well :up:
Same here. I think his biker gimmick would have been good now.

I'm starting to like SD! again. Ever since Big Show returned,it's been awesome.I can't even see why I was dissapointed in WWE when they let JBL win the title at GAB.He has to be one of the most entertaining champs I've seen in a while. And,speaking of the biker taker,I think that with Angle's new little faction with Reigns and Jindrak,Taker could be the Ric Flair of the group if he ever turned heel. The problem is that since he's the deadman,he's more of a loner now.So I guess it wouldn't work out.

[Sabretooth]

I dont know about you two, but i cant imagine not liking Taker. 14 years of so many storylines. His fued with Hogan, Ultimate Warrior, His famous speech when he lost that casket match, his hand rising from the grave after the buried alive match, his wrestlemania 14 entrance. Taker just has a crapload of great moments
They better put his ass in the Hall of Fame.:mad:

[Dr. Manhatten]

Having the RR as an event for both brands is a better thing IMO. It allows them the opportunity to create feuds and possible good matches for the "15th position" as it'd be split evenly between the brands

[Go Web Go!]

They better put his ass in the Hall of Fame.:mad:

Don't worry. If the WWE inducted Pete Rose into their hall of fame then I'm pretty sure they'll let The Undertaker in.

[Donnie Darko]

For those of you who want Ron Simmons or Booker T to win the title just so there is a "black World Champion," why not invest in an up-and-comer like Shelton Benjamin. If not on Raw, then maybe he could be traded to Smackdown and win the title. Also, there has been lots of talk about having a black champion, like when Ron Simmons became the first WCW/NWA World Champion by beating Vader, but no one seems to notice something even more amazing... Eddie Guerrero. He was a MEXICAN World Champion! Hispanics have been delegated to cruiserweight roles in the US, but Eddie brought home the big one.

[Archangel]

Waitasecond, Simmons is coming back? I just read a news-thing about him trying to get people to bid for a .......ah, I just found it.

"Ron “Faarooq” Simmons has setup an auction at eBay where the winner gets a three-minute phone conversation with him. There have been no bids as of 1:30pm ET. The starting bid is at $50."
[ Source: Pro Wrestling Insider ]

[Donnie Darko]

Waitasecond, Simmons is coming back? I just read a news-thing about him trying to get people to bid for a .......ah, I just found it.

"Ron “Faarooq” Simmons has setup an auction at eBay where the winner gets a three-minute phone conversation with him. There have been no bids as of 1:30pm ET. The starting bid is at $50."
[ Source: Pro Wrestling Insider ]


HAHAHAHAHA

Dude had his jersey retired at Florida State. He was the first black WCW World Heavyweight Champion. Now he is auctioning off telephone calls on ebay. Sad.

[Eric Draven]

For those of you who want Ron Simmons or Booker T to win the title just so there is a "black World Champion," why not invest in an up-and-comer like Shelton Benjamin. If not on Raw, then maybe he could be traded to Smackdown and win the title. Also, there has been lots of talk about having a black champion, like when Ron Simmons became the first WCW/NWA World Champion by beating Vader, but no one seems to notice something even more amazing... Eddie Guerrero. He was a MEXICAN World Champion! Hispanics have been delegated to cruiserweight roles in the US, but Eddie brought home the big one.

I don't want Booker T to win the title just so there is a "black World's champion" to be honest. I just want Booker T to win the title because he's one of my favorite wrestlers and quite frankly, at least deserves one run at the title before he retires next year. But if he does win it, I don't think "six time, six time, six time, six time, six time, six time" worlds champion won't have quite the same ring :(

And yeah, Shelton Benjamin should also be a main eventer....a few years from now. At this moment, I would be perfectly content if he just remained in the IC title hunt.

[Go Web Go!]

Here are the results for Thursday's Smackdown (the show was taped Sunday night rather than this coming Tuesday due to Tabbo Tuesday.)

Carlito def. Rico; Chavo Guerrero returns as a face. Looks like he and Kidman are going to be feuding; Heidenreich def. Shannon Moore; Undertaker def. Heidenreich; Mark Jindrak def. Eddie Guerrero; RVD, Rey Mysterio, and Booker T def. JBL, Kenzo Suzuki, and Rene Dupree. We have us a Booker T face turn. That's your show. No Big Show. He'll be working on Velocity this week against Akio. :rolleyes:

[Eric Draven]

Why is Akio being wasted on Velocity? :confused:

After seeing his matches in some of the old (and I mean old) NWA-TNA episodes, I think he could actually help to liven up the cruiserweight division.

[Go Web Go!]

Why bother pushing Akio when we have the likes of Spike Dudley in the cruiserweight division? :(

[3dman27]

Here are the results for Thursday's Smackdown (the show was taped Sunday night rather than this coming Tuesday due to Tabbo Tuesday.)

Carlito def. Rico; Chavo Guerrero returns as a face. Looks like he and Kidman are going to be feuding; Heidenreich def. Shannon Moore; Undertaker def. Heidenreich; Mark Jindrak def. Eddie Guerrero; RVD, Rey Mysterio, and Booker T def. JBL, Kenzo Suzuki, and Rene Dupree. We have us a Booker T face turn. That's your show. No Big Show. He'll be working on Velocity this week against Akio. :rolleyes:
thanks for the info gwg

[Donnie Darko]

I don't want Booker T to win the title just so there is a "black World's champion" to be honest. I just want Booker T to win the title because he's one of my favorite wrestlers and quite frankly, at least deserves one run at the title before he retires next year. But if he does win it, I don't think "six time, six time, six time, six time, six time, six time" worlds champion won't have quite the same ring :(

And yeah, Shelton Benjamin should also be a main eventer....a few years from now. At this moment, I would be perfectly content if he just remained in the IC title hunt.

I agree on all of your points. I really like Booker T, too. It is a shame that he was a 5-time WCW champion and hasn't tasted the gold since he entered WWE. At least he got a title shot a Wrestlemania a couple years ago (against HHH... grrrrr). And yeah, if I vote for Taboo Tuesday, it will be for Benjamin vs. Jericho.

[Eric Draven]

Why bother pushing Akio when we have the likes of Spike Dudley in the cruiserweight division? :(

To be honest. I like Spike in the Cruiserweight division now. He's been a bit of a fresh breath in the stale division. Plus, I'm digging his whole "The Boss" gimmick. I mean that gimmick is just begging for him to eventually be powerbombed to hell on a table by the Dudleys.

But it seems like right now, the only other cruiserweights in that division are Rey, Nunzio, and a couple of others. He's already fought Rey and Nunzio a few times. Why not bring up Akio or Shannon Moore (is that guy even still around?) up to Smackdown and have them feud with Spike now?

[Eric Draven]

I agree on all of your points. I really like Booker T, too. It is a shame that he was a 5-time WCW champion and hasn't tasted the gold since he entered WWE. At least he got a title shot a Wrestlemania a couple years ago (against HHH... grrrrr). And yeah, if I vote for Taboo Tuesday, it will be for Benjamin vs. Jericho.

I was happy as hell that Booker T got the title show at WM 19. Then I let off the biggest piece of profanity when Triple **** yet again had to go over another contender :rolleyes: :mad:

[Go Web Go!]

I was happy as hell that Booker T got the title show at WM 19. Then I let off the biggest piece of profanity when Triple **** yet again had to go over another contender :rolleyes: :mad:

He was actually supposed to beat Triple H for the title, but they changed their plans at the last minute. :rolleyes:

Anyway, about Spike...I don't mind seeing him in the cruiserweight division, BUT he's not very entertaining. He doesn't match up to Mysterio, Kidman, London, and so on. He's small, yes, but he's not much of a high flyer and that's what the cruiserweight division should be all about.

[Eric Draven]

Somehow, I'm really not surprised that they decided to nix Booker T's title win. I mean just the way Booker T was played out in the weeks before his WM match, you could tell Triple H was trying to really downgrade Booker.

And yeah, I know Spike's not really a high flyer. But he's still much more entertaining now than when he was just the jobber to everyone on Raw. I'm still praying for them to one day come to their senses and trade Hurricane to Smackdown though :(

[Donnie Darko]

Hurricane owns.

[Eric Draven]

He does. And I've just about given up on him ever getting a chance to succeed at all on Raw. That's why I'm hoping that he eventually moves to Smackdown. Seems a lot of wrestlers do a bit better when they move to that show.

[Go Web Go!]

They had no reason at all to move him to RAW. They basically used him for one night and had him wrestle on Heat after that. (Remember him and Kane winning the Tag titles as the Hurri-Kanes? Sad...)

[Jason Blood]

Victoria is using the King Kong Buster but she renamed it to the "Black Widow"

did anyone else hear about Ultimo's possible heel return but he wouldn't be wearing a mask and he would be using his last name (Asai)

[3dman27]

Hurricane owns.
the man in green as the wwe calls him does rule and thats wassup withthat :hyper: :hyper:




STAND BACK!!!theres a HURRICANE COMIN THROUGH

[Eric Draven]

They had no reason at all to move him to RAW. They basically used him for one night and had him wrestle on Heat after that. (Remember him and Kane winning the Tag titles as the Hurri-Kanes? Sad...)

Yep. He would've been perfect for the cruiserweight division as well on Smackdown. Especially since him and Chavo had great matches in WCW.

But I honestly thought he was gonna break-out after he had an excellent, excellent mini-feud with the ROck back when the Rock was a heel. But of course, right after that, Triple H had to come and totally humiliate him. Thus, getting rid of any credibility the Hurricane had before. :rolleyes: :mad:


And yeah, I did hear that rumor about ULtimo Dragon. I also heard that he was gonna tag team with Kenzo Suzuki :confused:

[Rainbowbrite]

about taboo tuesday this is what pisses me off about it its that we dont really get to choose the matches if you get me. i mean they give us choices but thats it i mean why cant we literally pick the weapon or the outfits i mean maybe i dont like the chain,pipe and chair. maybe i want to see a barbed wire bat being used or a bat period. maybe i want to see the women dressed up in fat suits (not a choice) . how about instead of shaving ppls heads and wearing dreeses have this whoever wins becomes gm of raw.i think they did to get a large winner across the board for a match

i already voted for the matches and most of my choices probably arent going to win but what the hell.
you know what i dont like about raw is how they wait till the last 10 minutes to show the main event and it only lasts 5-10 minutes. Its been like that for weeks. the matches at the top of the hour get more time then the main event. I really wanted HHH when he was standing on the table to break it that would have been hysterical.

is angle on smackdown this week??anyone know

[Chaos]

The polls are more than likely fixed anyway :rolleyes:

And i don't think there is any way Triple H is gonna drop the title

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v27/Constantine/linusHHH.jpg

[dr. loomis]

The polls are more than likely fixed anyway :rolleyes:

And i don't think there is any way Triple H is gonna drop the title

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v27/Constantine/linusHHH.jpg
that pic says it all!!!!! cool s**t. the polls were open before they said they were, i voted 10 minutes before the "official countdown" was done. strange thing is i voted for benjamin, and then he won vinces endorsement later on. i dont want jehicho to lose, but if he did, id like to see benjamin hold some kind of title. i highly doubt any title will change hands, but IF hhh loses, he will piss and moan how he didnt know who is opponent was gonna be, and will have a rematch next week and get it back.

[Go Web Go!]

I voted for Rhyno to get a shot at Jericho. I think it's about time they start pushing the guy (as a heel.) He was doing well a few years ago with the alliance before he got injured and he's been a joke ever since he returned.

[Jason Blood]

I voted for Shelton

[The Batman]

I like the Taker. However, this is just me, but I seem to like the Badass Taker more than the Deadman Taker right now. Now don't get me wrong, the Deadman Taker was good....10 years ago. But right now, in this day and age, I thought the Biker gimmick was better suited for him. Plus a name like the Undertaker sounds like a kickass Biker name as well :up:


Actually, an undertaker is someone that works at a graveyard.

So is a pall bearer...

I didnt really like Biker taker. They just made him like every other wrestler. I like the fact that the Deadman dosent fit into the regular mold....Biker taker's alright, but I think Deadman taker's better

[The Batman]

Benjamin is one of the best Superstars right now.

It was funny as hell when he punched chrstian after he slapped him. Benjamins really fast and intense. The only problem is that he sounds a little goofy and he needs a credible finisher. He has my vote for taboo tuesday.

[Eric Draven]

Actually, an undertaker is someone that works at a graveyard.

So is a pall bearer...

I didnt really like Biker taker. They just made him like every other wrestler. I like the fact that the Deadman dosent fit into the regular mold....Biker taker's alright, but I think Deadman taker's better

Yeah, I know what and undertaker is. But just the name Undertaker sounds like a good biker name. I mean a biker named the Undertaker. That just almost screams badassness

And yeah, Deadman Undertaker is good. But I think, especially in this day and age of not really needing a gimmick to get over, the Biker gimmick was an interesting progression towards his character. I see Deadman taker kind of like I see Mick Foley's initial Mankind character. With both gimmicks, they became less outlandish over time and became more human. Would I like to see Mick Foley revert back to maniacal Mankind? Probably not. The same applies to Undertaker and his deadman gimmick.

At least that's just my opinion :o

[Eric Draven]

I voted for Rhyno to get a shot at Jericho. I think it's about time they start pushing the guy (as a heel.) He was doing well a few years ago with the alliance before he got injured and he's been a joke ever since he returned.

Yeah. I wouldn't mind it if he got an IC title reign. I thought they might go for that after the events of the lumberjack match. But the next week they had a match between Rhyno and Jericho and all hopes of Rhyno stepping out were quickly squashed :mad: :(

[Go Web Go!]

Results for Taboo Tuesday so far:

Shelton Benjamin def. Chris Jericho (New IC Champion)
HBK will face Triple H for the World title
Chris Benoit and Edge will face La Resistance for the Tag titles
The divas will be dressed as school girls for the battle royal
Trish wins the diva battle royal
Kane vs. Snitsky will be a ''chain'' match

[Jason Blood]

I was expecting HBK to lose the vote

he was injured on RAW last night

oh yeah Shelton's finisher is a modified Exploder/T-Bone Suplex

[Go Web Go!]

Tonight's WTF moment: Gene Snitsky def. Kane

[Go Web Go!]

Eugene def. Eric Bischoff (Bischoff will get his head shaved)

[Dark Carnage]

When Trish came out in that uniform and with bunches, I almost busted a nut.

Trish, Stacy and Victoria all did it for me tonight.

Though the kneebrace wasn't very sexy at all.http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v113/Vegenom/Smilies/no.gif

[dr. loomis]

edge and benoit defeats la resistance for the titles, even though edge left the building before the match was over....but he did come back!! just when hbk had hhh beat,edge spears hbk,hhh rolls over with the pin, and once again retains. BIG shocker there.

[dr. loomis]

orton defeats flair in cage match. pretty bloody. shows respect to the washed up flair,flair shows respect back. i am sure hhh wont stand for ric giving respect to orton, i smell retirement.........

[dr. loomis]

Tonight's WTF moment: Gene Snitsky def. Kane
true wtf!!!! maybe the rumors are true,maybe kane is on his way out. i honestly cant see any other reason for him to job to stinsky. kane was supposed to make him feel the rage from his unborn dead son, instead he lays down for a rookie. sad. :bomb:

[Go Web Go!]

Chances are they made Kane job and sell an injury to Snitsky seeing how he's set to film a movie soon...

[Eric Draven]

Man oh man...you know what this means: Even more of Gene Snitsky's excellent mic works :rolleyes: :mad:

At least Shelton Benjamin is the IC champion though :up:

Maybe this means Jericho can finally go for the heavyweight championship.


hehehe....that was actually kinda funny :D :(

[Donnie Darko]

IMO, Edge deserved the title shot. He has put in his time in the WWE, providing some of the most exciting matches the fans have ever seen, and never been given a shot. I wouldn't call myself an Edge fanatic, but I really figured that ridiculous IC-title strip would be just so he could get propelled into the World Title scene. I knew HBK, who I love, would win on history and popularity alone, but he has had many days in the sun. I think the people should have let Edge make his move (altough there is no way in Hell HHH would ever even consider dropping the strap to Edge, even if he was going to get it back the next week on Raw). By the way, I think I am in agreement with everyone here who hates HHH.

[Eric Draven]

Edge may get a title shot sooner I think. To be honest, I haven't really liked him much as a face. He's just been a bit too bland and stale to really be an effective contender. I'm hoping this heel turn can finally break him out of his slump. Maybe he can be as good as he was during his E and C days. Or better yet, maybe he can emulate Bret Hart's heel turn back in the late 90s. Now that might actually be an interesting thing to see. I would definitely love to see another Team Canada-type faction. :up:

[Pyrrhotism]

Donnie,I completely agree. Im not a huge Edge fan but I think he should have been in the title match over HBK. I thought the cage match was awesome. I really dig Flair and everything he's accomplished. I dispise Triple H. He's been on the top of Raw far too long and I hate the fact that he is going to be the one that holds the world title more then Flair. The only thing that will keep Triple H off of our televisons and holding the title is another injury.:wolverine

[GLfan]

The only thing that will keep Triple H off of our televisons and holding the title is another injury.:wolverineOr another movie.

[Pyrrhotism]

Triple H in more movies,or on Raw...

Movies or Raw..

Well I havent seen him in Blade Trinity yet... SO I will go with the lesser of two evils.

More movies please! Hell I dont even have to see the movies.

[3dman27]

The only thing that will keep Triple H off of our televisons and holding the title is another injury.:wolverine
or 90 days of jury duty
btw who won christy vs carmella?

[GLfan]

Christy!:D

[Donnie Darko]

Edge may get a title shot sooner I think. To be honest, I haven't really liked him much as a face. He's just been a bit too bland and stale to really be an effective contender. I'm hoping this heel turn can finally break him out of his slump. Maybe he can be as good as he was during his E and C days. Or better yet, maybe he can emulate Bret Hart's heel turn back in the late 90s. Now that might actually be an interesting thing to see. I would definitely love to see another Team Canada-type faction. :up:

I completely agree. Edge as a heel is 100x better than Edge as a face. I wonder who could join the Team-Canada, though. I mean, it's not like there are not Canadian superstars in the WWE, but I just don't know who would be the best choices (obviously Christian).

[Chaos]

That was utter ****

I'm disgusted at how they humiliated Kane :rolleyes: :mad:

That Snitsky guy is the worst person on the mic i've ever heard.....his wrestling skills are piss poor.....and he's so ugly he makes Kane look like a male model

[Go Web Go!]

Do we really need ANOTHER "Team Canada?" It's been overdone. I'm just as tired of seeing Canadian wrestlers in a faction as I am of seeing Triple H week after week. The UnAmericans didn't work too well, and that was only a few years ago. If it didn't work then it wouldn't work now.

[The Batman]

I'm so freaking pissed.

They made Kane job to Snitsky? SNITSKY?!?!?!?!?!

And then, they had snitksy destroy kane...a JOBBER. Only Taker should be able to beat Kane that badly. Or HHH. Or Batista. But not some patheitc jobber who sucks at wrestling and mic skills.

They've destroyed Kane. He's nothing now, absolutely nothing

[Eric Draven]

Do we really need ANOTHER "Team Canada?" It's been overdone. I'm just as tired of seeing Canadian wrestlers in a faction as I am of seeing Triple H week after week. The UnAmericans didn't work too well, and that was only a few years ago. If it didn't work then it wouldn't work now.

Not really a team Canada. But can you imagine a heel faction consisting of Edge, Christian, Chris Jericho, and Chris Benoit? :)

Especially Benoit. Just imagine a heel, even more badass Benoit :up:

[3dman27]

I'm so freaking pissed.

They made Kane job to Snitsky? SNITSKY?!?!?!?!?!

And then, they had snitksy destroy kane...a JOBBER. Only Taker should be able to beat Kane that badly. Or HHH. Or Batista. But not some patheitc jobber who sucks at wrestling and mic skills.

They've destroyed Kane. He's nothing now, absolutely nothing
this is like lita getting beaten up by LILIAN GARCIA a total humiliating situation [meaning no disrespect to ms. garcia of course] if kane needs to be written out of wwe storylines to fullfill movie obligations the writers could surely think of something better than this marriage/lost baby storyline which imho is starting to cross the line

[Sabretooth]

Kane got raped in the ass.I feel sorry for that bastard.Especially losing to,of all people,SNITSKY. I'm more pissed about this then I am of Triple H.

[Eric Draven]

That's the thing with Vince McMahon. He has a huge hard-on for guys like Gene Snitsky. I mean look at how many wrestlers have been brought in in the past year or so who fit the Snitsky mode: Matt Morgan, Nathan Jones, Mordecai, Heidenreich, Tyson Tomko, etc :(


That's why I bet you anything the winner of Tough Enough this time around will be another Batista Clone: roided up, has a bunch of earings, and most important of all, has a back tattoo. ;)

[Go Web Go!]

Yup. And where are the majority of them now? Off WWE tv...

[The Batman]

I dont get why Vince wants his entire company full of those type of guys....

I mean, big guys should be a rarity. that way, they're an actual threat. I cant believe it was such a big deal when Bret, a "Small guy", one the title. the whole company should have mainly guys of hart's weight class.

And most of the time, the big guy's cant wrestle and hurt people, like Nathan Jones, Heidenreich, etc.

Guys like Lesnar, Kane, Batista, and Big Show are the last of the big guys who can actually wrestle. and whats happened to them? Kane's jobbing to snitsky, Batista has yet to win any gold, Lesnar's gone, and Show...well, nothing bad's happened to show...not yet. All because you have big guys with no talent.

But to me....the two best big guy wrestlers of all time were Andre and The Undertaker.

And draven, you might be right about tough enough. you see those guys who've signed up?Many of them look like they're on steroids. thank god for Maven....

[Eric Draven]

Another big guy that I'm pretty impressed with is Luther Reigns. He can wrestle pretty well for a guy his size. I can't believe he was Horshu in WCW though. He was like only half the size he currently is back then :eek:

[The Batman]

Yeah! I forgot about Reigns. you have to be good if Angle picks you to be his bodyguard...

His finisher's pretty sweet to.

[Donnie Darko]

at what point do we start considering people "big men"? I mean, to me, The Rock and Triple-H are HUGE (I'm 5'9" 185 pounds), but they're not typically labeled big men. I guess my favorite of the guys I would consider "big men" is Batista, although I hate Triple-H (who has one of the smallest ranges of moves of any wrestler I've ever seen)

[Savage]

at what point do we start considering people "big men"? I mean, to me, The Rock and Triple-H are HUGE (I'm 5'9" 185 pounds), but they're not typically labeled big men. I guess my favorite of the guys I would consider "big men" is Batista, although I hate Triple-H (who has one of the smallest ranges of moves of any wrestler I've ever seen)
Wow, you must be huge. I'm 6'0 and 185 lbs. Anyway, I believe standards have changed on what is considered big in wrestling. I mean guys like HBK and Y2J are considered small guys and they weigh like 230. Guys like The Rock, Triple H, and John Cena are considered average in wrestling for some reason though. I think they're considered huge when they are at LEAST around 260 or 280 but you've also gotta think about height. I mean look at Lesnar and Rhyno.

[Go Web Go!]

Guys like Lesnar, Kane, Batista, and Big Show are the last of the big guys who can actually wrestle. and whats happened to them? Kane's jobbing to snitsky, Batista has yet to win any gold, Lesnar's gone, and Show...well, nothing bad's happened to show...not yet.


Well, it was only a few years ago that the Big Show was jobbing to guys like Test on Heat, so I'd say his worst days are behind him.

[WildChild]

I'm Glad Shelton won the Int. Championship.Hopefully now Jericho can get in the title picture.

[Donnie Darko]

I wouldn't hold my breath on that one. It would be nice to see Y2J at the top again, but I doubt it will happen.

[Eric Draven]

Yep. Even though it is the more logical choice right now to push Jericho now that HBK is out with a knee injury and Benoit is feuding with Edge. But they're probably gonna keep the same old Orton vs. Triple H feud going on until WM 21 :rolleyes:

[The Batman]

I think its cause HHH hates Jericho, so he's never in any major storylines.

Notice that when Jericho was the first Unisputed Champ, HHH was injured.

[Eric Draven]

Actually when Jericho was the first undisputed champion, his feud was with Triple H. But of course Jericho, the champion, was second fiddle to Trips and Stephony's "divorce" :rolleyes:

[The Batman]

Yeah...but that was when he came back...

What I'm saying is, If HHH were around when they two belts were unified, I bet Jericho would've never won it.....

Of course Jericho was second fiddle. Like many WWE superstars, Jericho never gets the star power he deserves.

[Jason Blood]

Was Edge's music ever used before his return?

it has the same lyrics as one of the E&C themes

I wasn't watching around that time so is Edge's current intro music the same as when he tagged with his bro (at some point in their tag career)?

[SLYspyda]

whats wrong with you guys? gene snitsky is hilarious. they should make a t-shirt "it wasn't my fault!"

dammit, i wish i could see pics of what the divas looked like in their uniforms.

and what happened to john cena?

[3dman27]

nothing really
the storyline explaining his absence to do a movie role is that after he lost the us title to carlito carribeian coll he was injured during a nightclub riot

[SLYspyda]

nothing really
the storyline explaining his absence to do a movie role is that after he lost the us title to carlito carribeian coll he was injured during a nightclub riot

what? so it's not real?

[Savage]

what? so it's not real?
Pretty much, yeah.

[3dman27]

thats what bothers me about the wwe they use the "injured wrestler" storyline as an alibi so often i'm afraid one day a grappler will get hurt or WORSE and the fans will say"baloney its just part of a storyline he aint hurt"

[vegeta21]

My interest in wrestling is starting to fade. I miss the days when I'd be excited to see what happens the next week on Raw or Smackdown. Now, its just getting dull.

[Dark Carnage]

I went off it quite a while ago.

I just happend to be flicking through the channels where I noticed a PPV was going to be on a Tuesday. It aroused my interest. Apart from the Diva Battle Royale, it would have been better if I'd just gone to bed.

[vegeta21]

Yeah, I try to watch it, because a part of me still likes it. Plus Rene Dupre is good friends with my cousin, so I try to catch him. As well as Kurt Angle, that guy is one of my favorite all time wrestlers.

[Sabretooth]

I'm probably going to stop watching wrestling once the Undertaker leaves.I want to see how he goes out.

[Savage]

Same here. Now I just leave it on now out of habit and rarely actually watch it unless someone really good comes on. I mean guys like Rhyno, Tajiri, The Hurricane, Jericho, Edge, Christian, Benjamin, Benoit, Mysterio, RVD, and Taker. Those are just about the only guys I'll watch in a match now.

[Sabretooth]

No!HHH is in charge of raw tonight.:(

[Go Web Go!]

What else is new? The only difference is that this week they're letting him do it on the air instead of behind the scenes.

[Savage]

I'm really diggin this uprising angle.:)And the matches were pretty damn good tonight. Loved the Benjamin n Jericho match. And I'm Edge's side for this rivalry. Guy made some excellent points. I mean how many times has HBK held the title you know? Gotta move things along or else there'll never be progress.

[Donnie Darko]

Is there any talk of Cael Sanderson joining the WWE? He could make a lot more money there, but I have a feeling he's not done winning Olympic gold.

Also, I'm really digging the possible title push for Booker T and the possible push for Maven. He is long overdue for some recognition.

[Savage]

My god...This is one of the best episodes of RAW I have seen in a long time, or ever for that matter. The bastards finally got what was comin to em for ages.:D

[Go Web Go!]

Pretty good show. Who would've thought? Looks like we're headed towards a RAW faces (mainly Jericho, Benoit, Maven and Orton)/Evolution feud leading into Survivor Series. Maybe we'll see this lead up to a traditional elimination match and maybe we'll see an additon to Evolution seeing how they're a little outnumbered.

[Donnie Darko]

I LOVED the ending of Raw. It was great to see Triple-H get his ass kicked, even though he probably scripted the whole thing himself. I'm sure it will all work out to his advantage in the end.

[0 Degrees]

The ending tonight was great. Too bad we wont see Orton vs HHH for a while, but maybe some others will get some time to shine. I just wonder what they're gonna have Orton do for a while, and I hope it's not still fight Flair. Back to the ending, it was awesome to see so many involved in a cool way like that. I really hope this isn't a one time thing, and that there is a major Evolution vs the rest going on.

On a side note, when is Tough Enough gonna be on? For some reason I always liked that show. I noticed that guy "Miz" from all the Real World / Road Rules stuff made the cut.

[Go Web Go!]

Tough Enough is going to be a weekly segment on SmackDown instead of a whole show on its own.

[Metamorpho1977]

Last night's RAW was one of the best in a while. My allegiance still lies with NWA TNA, but RAW did a great job last night.

[Rainbowbrite]

i for one loved it even though there were only a few matches. i thought it was funny how they all cornered HHH and flair i noticed that eugene rosey and hurricane all came from same place (childlike wreslters) i wonder if christian will fight for ic title and i have a feeling that it will be y2j and HHH at survior series.HHH got what was coming to him and it was funny to see the inmates gang up on evolution for once

[Sabretooth]

I'm sure Benoit,Jericho,and the others were glad to finally kick HHH's ass.Even though it will probably last for like a week,and then HHH buries them even deeper.:( But I might as well enjoy this while I can.:up:


Also,I enjoyed Raw last night.Very entertaining.:up:

[The Batman]

RAW was great. It's about time they decided to stand against evolution.

[SLYspyda]

i can't believe this ****. everyone is saying what a great episode it was, and I, who watches raw every week missed it. dammit, those bastards at comcast ****ed us over, on monday night, sigh! cable's back now, but the damage hasn't been undone.

anyone know where i can get pictures of the divas in their school girl outfits, i was hoping to watch it on raw before comcast ruined my dreams.

[Donnie Darko]

so, who do you guys think will get the next title shot? It apparently won't be Orton, definitely not HBK, I think it's safe to say no Edge... who do you think?

Over on Smackdown, looks like Booker may finally become the 6-time!

[3dman27]

the hurricane maybe??

[0 Degrees]

I'd say Jericho is a major contender. Benoit is still in the picture of course. I'd say those are the most likely.

[The Batman]

with Michaels injured, Jericho could be in the main event circle again

too bad he has a horrid hairdo

[John Constantine]

so, who do you guys think will get the next title shot? It apparently won't be Orton, definitely not HBK, I think it's safe to say no Edge... who do you think?

Over on Smackdown, looks like Booker may finally become the 6-time!

Jericho. I hope.

I think Edge might actually join Evolution so it can even out the odds.

Benoit, Jericho, Maven, Orton vs. Triple H, Flair, Batista, and Edge for Survivor Series.

And what's good is that each member has their own mini-feud.

Benoit with Edge
Jericho with Triple H
Orton with Flair
Batista with Maven.

Or heck, you could just switch Maven around with Shelton Benjamin. BUt I have a feeling that he's gonna feud with Christian.

[Eric Draven]

Shoot, wrong name. :mad: :(

[The Batman]

Jericho. I hope.

I think Edge might actually join Evolution so it can even out the odds.

Benoit, Jericho, Maven, Orton vs. Triple H, Flair, Batista, and Edge for Survivor Series.

And what's good is that each member has their own mini-feud.

Benoit with Edge
Jericho with Triple H
Orton with Flair
Batista with Maven.

Or heck, you could just switch Maven around with Shelton Benjamin. BUt I have a feeling that he's gonna feud with Christian.

Actually, I expect Benjamin to have a fued with Batista after he beats Christian

[John Constantine]

Yeah, most likely. I'm betting he'll feud with Batista after Survivor Series. This gives a chance for Maven to have a mini-feud with him until that time.

I'm glad they're having these elimination matches. It's what Survivor Series is all about. Too bad there isn't a Raw vs. Smackdown one though...:(

[The Batman]

Raw VS Smackdown would've owned

[Donnie Darko]

I would love for there to be a face champion so Edge could at least start a feud with the champ and get a shot. I used to hate Edge, but now I really feel he deserves the shot as much as anyone. There are never heel-on-heel feuds, and I don't want them to turn Edge back into a face, so a shot at HHH is out of the question.

[3dman27]

why NOT a heel vs heel or face vs face feud?

[3dman27]

i checked wwe.com this morning and found out john meyer pulled out of the tough enough contest anyone know why?
and as usual does anyone have the smackdown results for this week?

[Rainbowbrite]

classic survior series match announced angle jindrak reigns and ( one of the 3 dudleys??) vs. eddie ,rey ,rvd and big show

booker t got a title shot at survior series by beating orlando jordan in sd main event

[3dman27]

who won the torrie wilson vs dawn marie halloween costume match and what wher the costumes?

[Go Web Go!]

Smackdown results: Chavo def. Nunzio; Mysterio def. Angle; Booker T def. Orlando Jordan (will get a title shot at Survivor Series.

[SLYspyda]

classic survior series match announced angle jindrak reigns and ( one of the 3 dudleys??) vs. eddie ,rey ,rvd and big show

booker t got a title shot at survior series by beating orlando jordan in sd main event

wtf's your problem man? put that **** in spoiler tags for those of us who actually want to watch the damn show.

[3dman27]

qoute theodore r. long
lemme holler at ya player unquote

i saw the ABRIVIATED smackdown last night and to tell the truth i'm not feeling too good about it. when i tune into smackdown i want to see the smackdown superstars, not a bunch of comparitive nobodies that the wwe [which ALREADY HAS more wrestlers than it can already use]doesn't need i think the wwe should compensate the contestants for their time and call off the contest. besides wasn't there supposed to be an explaination of why one contestant dropped out?i started to fall asleep so i turned it after the imprompitu dawn marie ms jackie brawl

[Jason Blood]

wtf's your problem man? put that **** in spoiler tags for those of us who actually want to watch the damn show.

you have to be kidding

I saw that coming from a mile away

[Jason Blood]

I'm beginning to enjoy Velocity as much if not more than Smackdown...

:eek:

[GLfan]

I enjoyed Smackdown last night for the first time since that idiot Bradshaw won the title.

[3dman27]

i was on wwe.com and was wondering how come the results and preview pages the letters D and S boldfaced and capitilzed i don't get it. any ideas

[Rainbowbrite]

to slyspyda im sorry i didnt put spoilers on it i forgot to do it. besides i think it was clear that book was facing jbl for the title but for the angle thing i really didnt mean not to put tags on sorry bout that

[Jason Blood]

i was on wwe.com and was wondering how come the results and preview pages the letters D and S boldfaced and capitilzed i don't get it. any ideas

Nintendo DS

it looks like they have plans to release info on a game soon or Nintendo payed for some alternative advertising

[3dman27]

oh subliminal advertising eh thank you
any ideas whats going to happen with the carlie hass/ms jackie /dawn marie triangle?

[John Constantine]

Mother****er!

We Canadians were just about to have a chance to watch NWA Impact on TSN. But guess what? The WWE panicked about it, and as a result, the deal is off :rolleyes: :mad:

Guess I'll have to make do with the old showings of NWA TNA...the ones from like 2002 :(

[WildChild]

I am looking forward to Raw Tonight and I hope Booker T wins the title at Suvivour Series (even tho there is no way he will).

[3dman27]

i visited wwe.com this morning and checked out the raw preview page which ,once again tells us NOTHING about tonights card if they don't want to tell us anything why HAVE a previews page?

[Donnie Darko]

what are the team line-ups at Survivor Series for Orton's team vs Evolution?

[John Constantine]

Holy smokes. WWE went on a firing spree today. Billy Gunn, A-Train, and Test were all released. Test is especially surprising since he's going out with Stacy Keibler (at least he was, not sure if he still is right now). I wonder what this will do for Stacy. Look at what happened when Lesner left, his girlfriend Sable left shortly afterwards. Billy Gunn wasn't that surprising considering he hasn't been seen on tv due to detrimental conduct (I think).

[John Constantine]

what are the team line-ups at Survivor Series for Orton's team vs Evolution?

It says Orton, Maven, Jericho, and Benoit vs. Triple H, Batista, Edge, and Gene Snitsky (!!).

Yes. Gene ****ing Snitsky is in the elimination match :rolleyes: :mad:

[Donnie Darko]

thanks, but why not Flair instead of Snitsky?

[John Constantine]

Dunno. But my guess is that right now, the WWE has a massive hard-on for Gene Snitsky. Seems like the show really likes to push Genes. First Eugene. Now Snitsky.

[Donnie Darko]

my God, two of the worst ever

but at least we had MEAN GENE!!!!!

[Jason Blood]

Holy smokes. WWE went on a firing spree today. Billy Gunn, A-Train, and Test were all released. Test is especially surprising since he's going out with Stacy Keibler (at least he was, not sure if he still is right now). I wonder what this will do for Stacy. Look at what happened when Lesner left, his girlfriend Sable left shortly afterwards. Billy Gunn wasn't that surprising considering he hasn't been seen on tv due to detrimental conduct (I think).

Sable was given the boot because she kept on talking about how sexist the WWE was

[John Constantine]

And her release happened to occur just a bit after Lesner left? There could be more than her saying how sexist the WWE is. Not saying there is for sure, but just saying there could be.

Just kinda weird how they would get rid of Stacy's boyfriend. Especially since she's considered one of the more popular divas the WWE has around.

[dr. loomis]

witch one of the people fired will show up on tna first?! prolly billy gunn,they can team him back up with road dogg. a-train was kind of a wwaste of space i always thought. test has been there for a while, even though he wasnt getting anywhere. i always did like billy gunn though(except when he was with polumbo), and i hate to see him go.

[dr. loomis]

i think the face team will win at survivor series, and hhh will finally be stripped of the title,for now. then orton will get it back, and hhh will eventually get it right back. same old stroy. maybe this will be the time evolution will turn on hhh. i dont want to see batista as a face, but i would love to see him and hhh fight each other.

[Metamorpho1977]

Gene Snitsky needs a manager, and I can think of no one better than MEAN GENE.

[3dman27]

but mr okerland isn't a manager

[3dman27]

does anyone think stacy kiebler will still be with the wwe by the end of the week? :hyper: :hyper:

[Jason Blood]

nope

Am I the only one that thinks Edge's new intro sucks?

[John Constantine]

It's...different. But he needed a change, he's had the same theme music for so long. It was one of the reasons why I thought he was rather stale as a face.


But you know, Raw yesterday wasn't that bad. It seems like Bischoff might be a face GM now. There's something different for you. Plus, we saw the debuts of Simon Dean and Muhammed Asan. Best of all: Triple H was only on the show right at the beginning. :up:

[Donnie Darko]

Simon Dean is my new least favorite wrestler!

[dr. loomis]

i thought raw was pretty good too.(different). WHAT IF benoit and others make an anti-evolution,and call it revolution. i wanted to see some factions again. just a thought.

[Donnie Darko]

I'd rather them not be a real faction, but instead maybe come together every now and then or back each other up when they absolutely need it. I don't want to see them in the ring together ALL the time or always accompanying each other to the ring, nothing like that.

By the way, when did Maven get so ripped?

[3dman27]

Simon Dean is my new least favorite wrestler!QUOTE lilian garcia.."a new sponsor on raw" SIMON DEAN QUOTE


i just remembered something you know how simon deans gimmick is that he' an infomercial pitchman and when lilian introduced him as such ,when they aired the lita trish bumper film clip [you know the sposored clips they use coming back from commercials] it was "sponsored "by simon dean wassup withthat?

btw has anyone noticed that when bischoff takes his months vacation next month the winning team will only have HALF A MONTH to run raw? next month is december and wwe policy is to shut down for the holidays and air retrospectives on raw and smackdown speaking of which anyone have this weeks results?/ :hyper: :hyper:

[Metamorpho1977]

but mr okerland isn't a manager
He manage Hulk Hogan back in the day

[Super Kal]

I still miss Goldberg
2003 was great with Goldberg
and by the way, i would absolutely LOVE to see another faction. Evolution has been going on WAY TOO LONG. I would love to see the old days like Ministry of Darkness. And also you gotta wonder: will Ric Flair ever quit? he's like in his sixties or seventies.

[John Constantine]

QUOTE lilian garcia.."a new sponsor on raw" SIMON DEAN QUOTE


i just remembered something you know how simon deans gimmick is that he' an infomercial pitchman and when lilian introduced him as such ,when they aired the lita trish bumper film clip [you know the sposored clips they use coming back from commercials] it was "sponsored "by simon dean wassup withthat?


Oh man, I totally got a laugh when I saw that. Brilliance right there. And to be honest, I dig this Simon Dean gimmick, it's so over-the-top, it might actually work out well. Plus, I'm just waiting for the part where he cheats by throwing some of his fitness powder in his opponent's eyes ;)

[Rainbowbrite]

love the simon dean character hes a different type of heel not some body guard big man like we see alot now

[John Constantine]

Yep. That's why I'm digging the guys like Simon Dean and Carlito Carribean Cool. They're not the guys we've seen numerous times lately like Heidenreich, Tyson Tomko, or even Carlito's bodyguard.

This could actually be the Bodydonnas gimmick actually done right. Yeah Skip was a huge joke, but Chris Candido was a pretty good wrestler and the Skip gimmick was okay until he jobbed to the father of all jobbers, Barry Horowitz, and his WWF career went down the toilet.

[John Constantine]

Yikes. I got this from lordsofpain.net:


"Test, who has been out recovering from neck surgery since June, was informed of his recent WWE release over the phone by Johnny Ace. Ace assured Test that the decision was made solely by Vince McMahon

In an almost unheard of practice, WWE let the wrestler go while he was out and physically unable to work. He will need at least six more months to recover.

After asking Ace what he is supposed to do now that he can't work for six months. In an unsettling moment, Ace commented by saying something along the lines of "we hoped you saved some money." He then told Test to call WWE when he was healthy, to which Test replied "no thanks.""


If this is actually true, I give a huge "**** YOU" to the WWE. What an incredibly horrible, horrible thing to do to a wrestler. This is even worse than when Bischoff phoned Austin in WCW and fired him. If this is true, I honestly hope Test catches on with something like NWA and totally breaks out and sticks it to the WWE.

[Savage]

Yeah, me too. That was just...not right. That shouldn't happen to anyone. Not even HHH. Poor guy. Hope someone else picks him up and uses him right. That would be awesome if the NWA/TNA picked up everyone the WWE released and used them against them and kicked their ass in the ratings. Sweet irony.:cool:

[Jason Blood]

WWE has released Gail Kim, Chuck Palumbo, and Nidia

:eek:

[The Batman]

Chuck i'm not surprised, but Nidia and Gail Kim? Thats ****ed up. Its gotta be due to some money issues

[Savage]

Yeah. Dammit, all the people who need to be released are still hangin around for some reason. This is crap. Not only were Gail Kim and Nidia great wrestlers but they were awesome eye candy.

[The Batman]

WWE need to fire all the big men wrestlers.

[John Constantine]

Man, they really are getting rid of a lot of wrestlers.

Nidia is a huge surprise. Especially since she's a previous Tough Enough winner and Tough Enough is going on right now. What does this say about TE itself?

It seems like the only ones who have made any impact are Maven are Jackie. And Jackie most likely because she's the eye candy.

[Donnie Darko]

what is Harvard Chris up to? I saw him on Smack Down the Vote, but that's it.

[3dman27]

Yeah, me too. That was just...not right. That shouldn't happen to anyone. Not even HHH. Poor guy. Hope someone else picks him up and uses him right. That would be awesome if the NWA/TNA picked up everyone the WWE released and used them against them and kicked their ass in the ratings. Sweet irony.:cool:
yes it the wwe HAS to fired a wrestler on the injured list at least tell himor her to his/her facethat would be common courtesy

[3dman27]

WWE need to fire all the big men wrestlers.
i agree dump the animated steroids not the talented wrestlers ms kim for example was last seen on this weeks raw helping trish double teaming lita and nidia is a very talented wrestler as is ms kim

[Jason Blood]

what is Harvard Chris up to? I saw him on Smack Down the Vote, but that's it.

he's still working with the WWE but he can't really wrestle anymore because of migraines

[Jason Blood]

does anyone know what Carlito's finisher is?

[Metamorpho1977]

WHenever I see Stacey Keibler wrestle, it reminds me of Olive Oyl running in circles to keep away from Bluto on the Popeye cartoons.

[The Batman]

does anyone know what Carlito's finisher is?


The Overdrive. Randy Orton's old finisher

[Savage]

WHenever I see Stacey Keibler wrestle, it reminds me of Olive Oyl running in circles to keep away from Bluto on the Popeye cartoons.
LOL! SO TRUE! SO TRUE!!!:D

[Jason Blood]

WWE has released three more

Stamboli, Mack, and Jazz

[John Constantine]

Mack and Jazz not that surprising. But Stamboli? Damn. This probably means Nunzio is next.

I bet the morale for the WWE must be at an all-time low right now. I mean imagine being a wrestler who isn't good friends with Triple H. You could probably be released any minute now.

[3dman27]

i just visited wwe.com and now they've released rico as well who's gonna be next?

[John Constantine]

Now Rico? :eek:

Now that sucks. I actually liked him. His gimmick was always good for a laugh, and he's a pretty good wrestler, especially for a guy his age.

Any minute now I bet Hardcore Holly, Val Venis, Steven Richards, and maybe a bunch of the cruiserweights are gonna be released next.

[zer00]

RICO!

OH man....I'm going to miss all these guys......lets see who's next...

[John Constantine]

You know, with all these releases, could the WWE be doing this not only for "financial reasons". But also to get rid of the brand split?

[zer00]

You know, with all these releases, could the WWE be doing this not only for "financial reasons". But also to get rid of the brand split?

Anythings possible.

[John Constantine]

If they actually decide to combine both shows again, this will be the main reason why I liked the brand split in the first place. Look at all the wrestlers that were released. Now we'll just see a smaller assortment of wrestlers dominating both shows.

[zer00]

If they actually decide to combine both shows again, this will be the main reason why I liked the brand split in the first place. Look at all the wrestlers that were released. Now we'll just see a smaller assortment of wrestlers dominating both shows.

...or HHH dominating both shows :p

[John Constantine]

That's what I fear as well :(

It's also why I love the roster split as well. Can't stand Triple H's usual bull**** and Evolution dominating? I just don't watch Raw and just watch Smackdown instead. But if they decide to merge the rosters again, this means that the guy will be on both shows again. :mad: :(

But man, I just took a look at the list of wrestlers that left the WWE this past year, and it's a lot:

- Kevin Nash
- Spanky
- Zach Gowen
- Kanyon
- Ernest Miller
- Nikita Fink
- Bill Goldberg
- Brock Lesnar
- Farooq
- Sean O'Haire
- Terri Runnels
- Stone Cold Steve Austin
- Brian Christopher
- Scott Steiner
- Bobbi Billard
- Chavo Guerrero Sr.
- Jacqueline
- Rue DeBona
- Sakoda
- Rikishi
- Sable
- Jamie Noble
- Tom Prichard
- Pat Patterson
- A-Train
- Billy Gunn
- Test
- Gail Kim
- Nidia
- Chuck Palumbo
- Johnny Stamboli
- Rodney Mack
- Jazz
- Rico

And the year's not even over yet :eek:

[zer00]

OH god!:eek:

I never knew the list was that long!

[John Constantine]

I was just as surprised too. And 10 wrestlers have been released just this week alone. I expect a lot more to happen before the week is over. I mean if Rico gets released, I bet any midcarder not part of Evolution is fair game.

[Jason Blood]

oh

Smackdown's Holla Holla Holla tour is coming to my hometown

has anyone else been to a house show before?

what should I expect (if I can find someone to go with me)?

[John Constantine]

I went to a House show so many years back. The one I went to...well, let's just say it wasn't that good. It was back in 1998 I went to one.

The matches are mainly just filler matches. They do set up some interesting things you might not see on tv though. Like we actually got to see Edge punk out Jackyl a bit before Edge actually made his television debut. But all in all the house show I went to sucked. It didn't help that the advertised Stone Cold vs. Dude Love main event got cancelled :mad:

[Jason Blood]

ouch

here is the schedule so far

WWE Title Match
THE UNDERTAKER VS. JOHN BRADSHAW LAYFIELD
BIG SHOW VS. KURT ANGLE
ROB VAN DAM & REY MYSTERIO VS. LUTHER REIGNS & MARK JINDRAK
U.S. Title Match
BOOKER T VS. CARLITO CARIBBEAN COOL

[Jason Blood]

I'm beginning to think this is more of a non-televised event than a house show

I think it might be like the other tours they have done

[Donnie Darko]

- Kanyon
- Ernest Miller
- Bill Goldberg
- Sean O'Haire
- Scott Steiner
- Pat Patterson


I'm only going to comment on these guys right now. I loved Kanyon and Ernest Miller. I stopped watching wrestling for a while and didn't even know they were around as recently as this year. They were seriously two of my favorites in WCW, as well as Steiner, who I don't feel was ever given a fair shot in WWE. Sean O'Haire was AMAZING talent when he was in the Natural Born Thrillers. I mean WOW. I can't believe WWE screwed him over like they did. Goldberg has ego issues. He is the reason Jericho never got a title push in WCW. Screw him. Pat Patterson... this breaks my heart. Vince fires a longtime "friend" (one of his STOOGES even) just because he doesn't agree with letting Triple-H run the show

[John Constantine]

Yep. The Pat Patterson thing is just wrong. But it goes to tell you who is gonna be in charge of the WWE when Vince retires. I just hope by then, Triple H quits wrestling because if he doesn't.....

And Sean O'Haire. I totally agree with you. This guy could've been a big main eventer in the WWE. But the WWE just totally dumped on him. How come this guy isn't in NWA-TNA though? :confused:

[3dman27]

Yep. The Pat Patterson thing is just wrong. But it goes to tell you who is gonna be in charge of the WWE when Vince retires. I just hope by then, Triple H quits wrestling because if he doesn't.....

And Sean O'Haire. I totally agree with you. This guy could've been a big main eventer in the WWE. But the WWE just totally dumped on him. How come this guy isn't in NWA-TNA though? :confused:possibly a contractual clause obliging im to stay out of wresling foe a certain period of time
at this rate i would'nt be surprised if mr macmahon himself got fired and he OWNS the wwe

[Metamorpho1977]

I wonder how many of these superstars that were released are any of the ones that are complaining about Triple H?

[Pink Ranger]

Ted Turner is looking better all the time . . .

[The Batman]

I'm only going to comment on these guys right now. I loved Kanyon and Ernest Miller. I stopped watching wrestling for a while and didn't even know they were around as recently as this year. They were seriously two of my favorites in WCW, as well as Steiner, who I don't feel was ever given a fair shot in WWE. Sean O'Haire was AMAZING talent when he was in the Natural Born Thrillers. I mean WOW. I can't believe WWE screwed him over like they did. Goldberg has ego issues. He is the reason Jericho never got a title push in WCW. Screw him. Pat Patterson... this breaks my heart. Vince fires a longtime "friend" (one of his STOOGES even) just because he doesn't agree with letting Triple-H run the show

I heard Jericho whopped his ass backstage once

[Donnie Darko]

When? What happened? How did it go? Was it a real fight or what? I love Jericho!!!!

[Pink Ranger]

When? What happened? How did it go? Was it a real fight or what? I love Jericho!!!!

The rumor has it that Bill and Chris got into a real fight backstage, and Chris just put him in a simple front facelock and choked out Goldberg for real.

Good ol' Stu Hart training beat Mr. "legitimate tough guy mixed martial arts"! YEAH!!

[Apocalypse26]

Hhmm yes, it is quite concerning how many workers have gone in the last year, and over the last 4 or 5 days, there has been some big surprises. With people like billy gunn and rico being let go, the company is going to have no substance to it, you'll get openers and lowercarders that people wont really have the chance to get to know, and you'll get the topcarders consisting of the same old few. Dare i say it, but the title feuds as of late have become boring and inbred, especially on RAW, HHH etc. Theres a lot of good, loyal stars they let go, i just hope that it was for legitimate financial reasons and not for something silly.

[Donnie Darko]

The rumor has it that Bill and Chris got into a real fight backstage, and Chris just put him in a simple front facelock and choked out Goldberg for real.

Good ol' Stu Hart training beat Mr. "legitimate tough guy mixed martial arts"! YEAH!!

That is the most awesome thing I've ever heard.

[zer00]

The rumor has it that Bill and Chris got into a real fight backstage, and Chris just put him in a simple front facelock and choked out Goldberg for real.

Good ol' Stu Hart training beat Mr. "legitimate tough guy mixed martial arts"! YEAH!!

*tears*

Fantastic

[3dman27]

i just hope they don't release molly holly, the hurricane ,or rosey

[Savage]

i just hope they don't release molly holly, the hurricane ,or rosey
Crap, didn't even think about them.:(

[3dman27]

yes molly's scheduled to be in a heat tag match this week so is nidia i wonder if the wwe'll replace her or make it a singles match

[Metamorpho1977]

well maybe they can go to TNA now.

[Sabretooth]

Who do you all think will be taking the place of the sort of older superstars? This is how I see it:


Triple H-Edge or maybe even Christian
HBK-Y2J
Stone Cold-John Cena
Bret Hart- Chris Benoit
The Undertaker- I'm stumped here,Kane is his ''brother'' but he's getting raped in his ass.Maybe Luther Reigns?
Ric Flair-Randy Orton
Kurt Angle-Shelton Benjamin(sp?) or Haas
Booker T-???

[Savage]

No-one can replace Taker. No-one.

And Carlito kind of reminds me of a Razor Ramon/The Rock: Early years mix.

[Sabretooth]

No-one can replace Taker. No-one.

And Carlito kind of reminds me of a Razor Ramon/The Rock: Early years mix.
The part about Taker is actually true. His gimmick is one of those gimmicks that only one person could do,but when a second person comes along and tries the gimmick,they just earn a nametag called ''ripoff''

But I think Kane could come close to maybe just reminding people of The Undertaker.It's just he's constantly screwed by people like Triple H who really have no talent.

[Rainbowbrite]

no one can replace any of the above guys you mentioned no one will ever be stone cold or flair or hbk in my eyes dont know about yours

[Sabretooth]

no one can replace any of the above guys you mentioned no one will ever be stone cold or flair or hbk in my eyes dont know about yours
Well,through my eyes, the styles of Jericho,Cena, and Orton seem very similar to those of Austin,Flair,and HBK,and then they just remind me of them. Like Benoit reminds me of Hart,and Charlie Haas' wrestling syle is alot like Angle's IMO,etc.

[Savage]

Yeah, I see where you're getting at here. Like this version of these characters for the new generation. I can see how Cena is kind of like an updated Austin.

But as for replacing them? I agree it's not possible. Maybe it was a just a bad choice of words...But since I can't think of a better one, I'll just go with replacing anyway.