Wrestling

[WildChild]

Dose anyone here watch it.....I do.

[mg_productions]

I used to.Until the wwe thing.I kinda fazed out after that.I miss the ol days when wwf used to kick wcw's ass every week.Having the two company's inspired a lot of creativity.When they merged, a lot of that went away.Then the name changed.Not the same for me.

[Mr_Rocal]

I totally agree. I remember a time where I would rush home from work just so that I wouldn't miss RAW. Now I think that there is too much talent for them to use and the creative writing is pretty boring (and it kinda sucks now). I don't think that they can ever bring back the excitement of an "Austin vs. McMahon" , the invasion of the Outsiders into the WCW, the original NWO, Goldberg's undefeated streak, and even Degeneration X. Even the pay-per-views are starting to suck. I was a die-hard wrestling fan but unless they could get somthing going with the creative aspect, then I don't think that wrestling will ever have the same appeal it used to have.

[Darkhawk77]

I used to watch it all the time, now I just watch it occasionally. I watch it for Chris Benoit, Eddie Guererro, Chris Jericho and Kurt Angle.

[BlackSymbiote]

I watch NWA: Total Nonstop Action every Wednsday on PPV. 7pm Central Time, and it's only ten bucks for two hours of quality wrestling, not the crap the WWE gives week in and week out, and the charges 35 bucks for two hours of crap.

For 35 bucks you can get a whole month (eight hours) of NWA:TNA.

[Roughneck]

I miss the old ECW.

[clashingtitan]

I really like the NWA:TNA too, I'll watch it before the WWE. The WWE actually has some real talent too, but Jim Ross is such a wuss that he's afraid for the wrestlers really cut loose. The NWA women wrestlers are even pretty good. The X Division runs circles around anything in the WWE's Cruiserweight division.

[Dark Carnage]

Bigger discussion here. (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=72590)

[3dman27]

i wish they'd put a allwomens wrestling show on the air ecept for the hurrican i just watch raw foe the womens matches

[clashingtitan]

Bring back FRICKIN' G.L.O.W.

[3dman27]

david maclaine creator of glow had a womens wrestling sho called WOW [women of wrestling} a couple of years ago, unfortunatly it only lasted one season to my knowledge

[Big_Bad]

Wrestling as a whole has really gone down the drain. A big part of the problem is that there's no more competition between big companies because there's only one. Another is that they've exausted their stories and gimmics, and the matches are about all the same now. Little excitement, and you're lucky if it actually ends. I haven't watched it in years now. Really started losing interest when Bret Hart quit. Turns out I was never really a wrestling fan, just a Hitman fan.

[Jspider13]

I loved wrestling while growing up as a kid, it was SO cool in the 80's and the early 90's when the story's and the characters were so much cooler than the ones these days. Now wrestling is just silly, they make the stories too real where it doesn't make sense to care for it. Back in the 80's and 90's, the stories were actually far-fetched, which made it more interesting.

[3dman27]

about the father daughter match, not that i'd mind seeing stephanie give vince the wince a well deserved boot in the "macmahonhood" but all in all i'd rather see her duke it out in some matches with torrie wilson what do you think

[3dman27]

i tried to read the raw report yesterday, but all they had was video clips whats going on?

[OtepApe]

i used to be a major major wrestling fan but since vince is lwrestling now he just can't be arsed watching it anymore

[3dman27]

Originally posted by mg_productions
I used to.Until the wwe thing.I kinda fazed out after that.I miss the ol days when wwf used to kick wcw's ass every week.Having the two company's inspired a lot of creativity.When they merged, a lot of that went away.Then the name changed.Not the same for me. i thought the name change was due to a british courts ruling that the world wildlife fund had prior rights to the initials wwf as a trademark?:hyper:

[Archangel]

^-- Bingo.

[mg_productions]

Oh yeah it was.I knew that.But that happened about the same time the companies merged which led to something missing for me.
At first seeing the characters intermingle was admittedly,kind of cool.And for about a 2 weeks I was relishing in the victory of the superior wwf over the sorry ass wcw.But as more time went on,I began to see the wwf drop in quality.Then the wwe thing happened.And more of the less popular wcw characters came in.They even had that dumbass tanned referee with the blonde hair.For some reason I hated him.
Some rich bastard needs to start another company like Turner did and get this industry up again.That's why it peaked when it did.Vinnie Mac had to start from scratch and create new characters.It needs to,flush the toilet if you will.heh heh.

[Savage]

Originally posted by mg_productions
Oh yeah it was.I knew that.But that happened about the same time the companies merged which led to something missing for me.
At first seeing the characters intermingle was admittedly,kind of cool.And for about a 2 weeks I was relishing in the victory of the superior wwf over the sorry ass wcw.But as more time went on,I began to see the wwf drop in quality.Then the wwe thing happened.And more of the less popular wcw characters came in.They even had that dumbass tanned referee with the blonde hair.For some reason I hated him.
Some rich bastard needs to start another company like Turner did and get this industry up again.That's why it peaked when it did.Vinnie Mac had to start from scratch and create new characters.It needs to,flush the toilet if you will.heh heh.
Yeah. Definately agree with ya there. WWE has just gotten lazy. What I really want back is ECW. To me they were always the best out there. I want to see Tommy Dreamer and Raven actually wrestle again damnit.

[phillyboy]

I'll never forget the hulk Hogan / Zuess 'storyline' back in 89/90 .

[3dman27]

i wonder why this new nwa-tna isn't on basic cable it might give the wwe some competition?

[Johnny Blaze]

I'm surprised a network hasn't picked it up yet either. They definitely have a good sized fanbase, and having the Wendsday shows on cable would better wrestling as a whole.
Hell, most of the WWF wrestlers are pulling for it to make it big, so that there's an alternative.
NWA already has some good talent like Styles, Lynn, Jarrett, and Sting (my fav :D). Now they just need to make it to Primetime.

[3dman27]

i wouldn't mind seeing an all divas episode of wwe heat or raw what do you think?

[Brodie Bruce]

I caught a glimpse of a match the other day, what the hell happened to kane. No mask, AND he's bald. Did the orginal Kane quit or something?

[3dman27]

kane was orderd to unmask after loosing a match and went on a beserker tear prompting the current fire austin storyline[ the wwe superstars blame austin for kanes rampage after telling kane to bring back the monster]

[Johnny Blaze]

Well, I believe this is the second Kane since the character debuted in the 90's.
And he lost a match against...someone, I can't remember who...and since he lost he was forced to remove his mask or get "fired". Since he's maskless he's gone nuts and has savagely attacked a bunch of people, including Tombstoning Linda McMahon, which is why he and Shane are feuding right now.


On a different note...who here would like to see the Hitman return to wrestling for the NWA:TNA? :D

[Shifty]

Stu Hart died today at age 88.

[Shifty]

Stewart Edward Hart, better known to Canadians and wrestling fans around the world as Stu Hart, passed away at 2:25pm Mountain time from complications due to diabetes and pneumonia. He was 88 years old.

Hart was a legend in Canada and the wrestling world, beginning his career as an amateur champion, and then founding Stampede Wrestling, a Canadian institution, in Western Canada, however Hart was better known by a generation of wrestling fans as the patriarch of the legendary Hart family.

Together with his late wife Helen Hart, who passed away in November 4th 2001 of diabetes at the age of 76, the Harts had 12 children.

The Harts lived to see the passing of two of their children, Dean, who died of kidney failure in 1990, and Owen who died in 1999 during a wrestling stunt gone awry.

Stu Hart was born May 3 1915 in Saskatoon Saskatchewan. He was an amazing amateur wrestler for Canada, and a standout center for the Edmonton Eskimos of the Canadian Football League. Stu chose to pursue wrestling, and was a professional wrestler for more than 40 years.

In 1948, Hart made the leap from performer to promoter, first in Edmonton, and then moving to Calgary, where he had made some money in real estate, and bought into Calgary's Stampede promotion.

In his later years, Hart would go on to bring wannabe wrestlers, mainly strongmen and football players, down into his dungeon where he would stretch them, and abuse them, often making grown men cry.

Hart was named to the Order of Canada on May 31st 2001 for making an important contribution to the sport of wrestling for more than five decades. The order of Canada website lists Stu's accomplishments as; "As patriarch of Canada's first family of professional wrestling, he has made an important contribution to the sport for more than five decades. Founder of Stampede Wrestling and an icon of the golden era of wrestling, he has been coach and mentor to countless young athletes, imparting the highest standards of athleticism and personal conduct. A generous supporter of community life in Calgary, he is a loyal benefactor to more than thirty charitable and civic organizations including the Shriners' Hospital for Crippled Children and the Alberta Firefighters Toy Fund."

In the years following Owen's death, the family had been bitterly divided, but it was always Stu and Helen who held the family together, serving as a powerful nucleus for what is arguably the most famous wrestling family in the world. TSN.ca/wrestling

http://www.tsn.ca/images/stories/20031016/stuhart_65153.jpg

[Johnny Blaze]

That really sucks. :(
I feel sorry for Bret...first his brother Owen, then Davey Boy, and now his pop...that's gotta be rough.

Btw, it's kinda off subject, but who's running The Dungeon now? Anyone know?

[3dman27]

my condolenses to the hart family

[3dman27]

i was watching smackdown lst night and i was puzzled by the storyline leading up to the tajiri-jamie noble match[ tajiri telling mr macmahon about jamie and nidia's comments on the no mercy father vs daughter match IN ENGLISH] .i thought tajiri DIDN'T SPEAK ENGLISH or was that part of his gimmick?

[Johnny Blaze]

No clue. I haven't watched Smackdown in a loooong time. The only wrestlers I like on the show are Angle, Mysterio Jr, and Benoit...well...I also like Stephanie and her two friends. :D

RAW got all of the top talent, so that's really the only wrestling show I watch. That and NWA every once in a while.

[mg_productions]

Steph is hot.

[3dman27]

how do you guys and gals think no mercy will turn out? i hear stephanie is gettin married in real life so the" i quit "match is a plot device to justify her abscence. any opinions on the matches?

STAND BACK THERES A HURRICANE COMIN' THROUGH

[mg_productions]

what's up wit that?

[3dman27]

Originally posted by mg_productions
what's up wit that? with what ? if you mean stepth getting married i read on the coming soon wrestling thread that the real reason for hhh's abscence from raw is that he's getting married and will spend the next few weeks on his honeymoon and a couple of days ago i read in a wrestling mag that steph and hhh are getting married this month. put 2+2 together and the result is stepth will lose the i quit match giving her a storyline justification for her abscence [in reality her honeymoon]

[mg_productions]

*sigh*

bro'man was talkin bout the hurricane before me.hence,the catch phrase.
guess it's my fault for not quoting.

[3dman27]

well i just got through with checking wwe.com about the no mercy i quit match since i don't have ppv capacity and i was right. they had steph loose the match so her absence during her honeymoon would be explained just as hhh's abscence is explained by the bounty scenario[[collecting his own bounty would be a conflict of interest] any opinions posters?

[3dman27]

now that stephanie is no longer gm of smackdown who do you think her successor will be? there was a spoiler about that on the comingsoon board wrestling thred but since i can't log on there lately i don't know who they said it'll be.

[The Amazing Spider-Man]

Paul Heyman

[Kevin Roegele]

I used to love wrestling when I was 9 and 10. Nowadays wrestlers are all 'bad dudes' and dress like rock stars. Back in the 80's, they were like superheroes. And the bad guys were genuinely nasty, guys like Jake the Snake, Sgt Slaughter and the Undertaker. Greatest wrestler of all-time....?

http://www.angelfire.com/rebellion/warriorgallery/Warrior070.jpg

And this was one of the defining momments of those years...

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/6305276927.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

[3dman27]

Originally posted by The Amazing Spider-Man
Paul Heyman thanks spidey

[The Amazing Spider-Man]

Originally posted by Kevin Roegele
I used to love wrestling when I was 9 and 10. Nowadays wrestlers are all 'bad dudes' and dress like rock stars.

But Chris Jericho IS a rock star. :D

http://www.fozzyrock.com/images/cj-bio.jpg

Originally posted by 3dman27
thanks spidey

No problem. I'm not sure it's 100% true, but that's the rumor I read.

[Mr.Webs]

Originally posted by 3dman27
my condolenses to the hart family I agree...R.I.P. :(

[3dman27]

Originally posted by Kevin Roegele
I used to love wrestling when I was 9 and 10. Nowadays wrestlers are all 'bad dudes' and dress like rock stars. Back in the 80's, they were like superheroes. And the bad guys were genuinely nasty, guys like Jake the Snake, Sgt Slaughter and the Undertaker. Greatest wrestler of all-time....?

http://www.angelfire.com/rebellion/warriorgallery/Warrior070.jpg

And this was one of the defining momments of those years...

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/6305276927.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg i sometimes wish wreslers could be depicted as superheroes myself

[3dman27]

just a reminder to wwe fans on the hype wwe heat is on saturday night at7pm this week

[3dman27]

i read while reading the wrestling thread at comingsoon.net and read that over the weekend jean-paul levesque[triple h] and stephanie macmahon got married. my cogratulations to them both

[Mr. J]

Originally posted by 3dman27
david maclaine creator of glow had a womens wrestling sho called WOW [women of wrestling} a couple of years ago, unfortunatly it only lasted one season to my knowledge I remember that. In fact, several of the wrestlers from WOW appeared in the "Spider-Man" movie as valets for "Bone Saw" McGraw, played by "Macho Man" Randy Savage.

I'm surprised that none of them got picked up by the WWE!!!

[Mr. J]

Originally posted by 3dman27
i read while reading the wrestling thread at comingsoon.net and read that over the weekend jean-paul levesque[triple h] and stephanie macmahon got married. my cogratulations to them both That's cool!!! But from what I've read before, many in the WWe resent the 2 of them getting married, because Triple H has too much clout. That probably why up until "Unforgiven", he had the World Title since last December.

[Mr_Rocal]

R.I.P. Hawk!
The Road Warriors and The Legion of Doom will always be the best tag team in the world of pro wrestling!

[Keyser Soze]

I hate the WWE name! That damn wild-life copmany is full of *****! Do you know that as soon as they got the rights to WWF (World Wildlife Fund) from WWE, they changed their name to WWPF (World Wildlife Preotection Fund)? So they just did the whole thing out of spite.

I've been a wrestling fan since I was 5 (that's 12 years now) so I feel that stopping now would be a betrayal. But WWE does suck, mainly because Vince mcMahon refuses to push people that are actually over (i.e. Chris Jericho) and is letting the company be dominated by political players nobody cares about (i.e. Triple H). WWE is becoming like WCW in its dying years.

NWA TNA is the next big thing. It deserves to knock WWE off the top spot sometime in the future. Look at the talent: Jeff Jarrett, Raven, AJ Styles, Christopher Daniels, D'Lo Brown, Jerry Lynn...the list goes on. If TNA keeps on going the way its going, and doesn't let Hogan dominate the company when he joins, they have a bright future. Any company brave enough to have a freak like Raven (bless his cotton socks) as their flagship hero gets my respect...

[3dman27]

i've sometimes noticed that the matches on heat are much better than the are on raw i think thats because heat and possibly velocity dont have time to waste with that stioryline stuff give me action not a lot of blablahblah

[Raven76187]

ok I don't remember who said it, but I'm almost 100% sure that the kane you see now is the kane we have always seen....I say almost because I haven't watched in a while(maybe 6 months or so) but up until then it was always the same kane.....if anyone remembers Jerry Lawler's dentist, Isaac Yankem DDS.....that's kane....oh yea and he was also the fake Diesel they had goin for a little while(both characters were unmasked)....there was some speculation that after he came back from an injury a few years back, because he was so much bigger alot of people thought it was a diff guy doin kane, but it wasn't, it's been the same guy. And unless they changed him in the last 6-8 months then its still the same guy....just wanted to clear that up :)

[3dman27]

i was reading the wrestling thread over at www.comingsoon.net and read that matt hardy might be coming to raw from smackdown to participate in a romantic rivalry storyline with christian over lita what say about that?

[BlackSymbiote]

Originally posted by zakthedog
NWA TNA is the next big thing. It deserves to knock WWE off the top spot sometime in the future. Look at the talent: Jeff Jarrett, Raven, AJ Styles, Christopher Daniels, D'Lo Brown, Jerry Lynn...the list goes on. If TNA keeps on going the way its going, and doesn't let Hogan dominate the company when he joins, they have a bright future. Any company brave enough to have a freak like Raven (bless his cotton socks) as their flagship hero gets my respect...

I think Hogan is going to be a one time only deal and not stay around. NWA:TNA can't afford to keep Hogan around for a long period of time due to Hogan's salary demands. Now I'm a Hulkamaniac and Hogan can actually wrestle (I have two of his matches from Japan) and I'll be glad to see Hogan in TNA, but it'll only be for the PPV show. TNA already expects to make next to nothing back from the show because it's all being used to pay Hogan.

It's amazing, isn't it, that Raven, D-Lo, Ekmo (Jamal), Mad Mikey (Crash Holly), and the rest of the WWE cast offs actually have considerable wrestling talent just were never able (or allowed?) to show it off in the WWE. D-Lo especially has impressed me. His series of matches with AJ Styles (the greatest wrestler in the world, in my opinion) were simply awesome.

[Keyser Soze]

I already knew Raven was great by watching his old ECW stuff and, to a lesser extent, his WCW work. WWE just doesn't like pushing guys that aren't home-grown talent. That's why we're never going to see guys like Rob Van Dam, Chris Benoit or the fantastic Chris Jericho as top guys in the company.

I'm particularly annoyed over how they misuse Jericho. This guy is the best heel since Ric Flair. He's talented and over, and could be their top heel for years to come. But instead they have Triple H (who coincidentally is less talented and less over) as their top heel, and leave Jericho floundering in the upper midcard. Boy, Jericho should have stayed on Smackdown, although sadly that's quickly getting as bad as Raw.

[3dman27]

Originally posted by zakthedog
I already knew Raven was great by watching his old ECW stuff and, to a lesser extent, his WCW work. WWE just doesn't like pushing guys that aren't home-grown talent. That's why we're never going to see guys like Rob Van Dam, Chris Benoit or the fantastic Chris Jericho as top guys in the company.

I'm particularly annoyed over how they misuse Jericho. This guy is the best heel since Ric Flair. He's talented and over, and could be their top heel for years to come. But instead they have Triple H (who coincidentally is less talented and less over) as their top heel, and leave Jericho floundering in the upper midcard. Boy, Jericho should have stayed on Smackdown, although sadly that's quickly getting as bad as Raw. so thats why they were always pushing lita over molly holly when she first showed up because she came there after wrestling as mona in wcw

[Keyser Soze]

And that's why they take Lance Storm, a technical wrestler almost on a par with Benoit, who by the way, has plenty of charisma, and make him into a "boring" character with zero charisma.

Then, when he's just starting to get some credibility, they actually encourage the fans to shout "Boring" during his match. The message of this is that great technical wrestling is BORING, and fans should only cheer for people using weapons on each other, mindlessly brawling or doing jumping from the top ropes. Ultimately, of course, fans will be brainwashed inro hating all wrestling, and only liking the storylines, which is slowly being done by making matches shorter and shorter, so long matches turn off the casual fan.

Anyway, back to Lance Storm. They then pull away the last shred of his dignity by giving him the lamest gimmick ever, which involves him drssing as Goldust and dancing to the ring. Keep in mind that this guy was a world title contender in ECW and WCW. I hope Lance Storm either gets given something to do or goes to NWA TNA, where he'll get used properly.

Meanwhile, I can only hope for Triple H to suffer a serious injury that will put him out for a year or so, allowing Chris Jericho to replace him in the main event heel spot on Raw.

[The Amazing Spider-Man]

Originally posted by zakthedog
Meanwhile, I can only hope for Triple H to suffer a serious injury that will put him out for a year or so, allowing Chris Jericho to replace him in the main event heel spot on Raw.

Yeah, but remember the last time that happened when Triple H came back. Jericho took the backseat to Triple H, Steph, Steph's dog and Steph's hand lotion. :rolleyes:

[Shockdingo]

Molly's awsome :D

[super-spyke]

HA-HA I laugh at you all I'm going to survivor series HA-HA jk but I really am going

[3dman27]

i just read on wwe.com that the winner of undertakers bike on an ebay auction for a charity called the angellus REFUSED TO PAY for the bike. what a lowlife, if he'd gone broke and COULDN'T pay for it thats one thing but bidding under false pretenses on a CHARITY auction is wrong DEAD WRONG

[Keyser Soze]

so nobody gets it? What a rat...

As for the comment about Jericho sucking up to Stephanie, there's rumours going around that the writing team was ordered to sabotage Jericho's title reign and make him seem really weak, so he would appear to be a lame duck champion. They hoped this would damage his overness and cease demand for him to be in the world title scene. But now he's more over than ever, so it failed...

[vegeta21]

Originally posted by 3dman27
i sometimes wish wreslers could be depicted as superheroes myself

Well, there's always "The Hurricane" ;)

[3dman27]

yeah he and rosey AND mighty molly can do it i wish vince would let other wrestlers go that route

[Keyser Soze]

It's a shame we won't ever see Steve Corino in WWE. Corino has stated that he has no interest in working there, as he is against the fact that scantily-clad women and lame storylines are taken more seriously than actual wrestling now. Also, even if he did become interested, Paul Heyman, also a writer for WWE, hates him, so much so that when ECW closed, Heyman refused to pay Corino any money for his last few months' work.

[3dman27]

wouldn't that make mr heyman in breach of contract? or liable for fraud for not paying him?

[Shockdingo]

I'd like to see more hero wrestlers.
Mans that's evil of Paul H :\

[super-spyke]

I would be a hero wrestler,Hurricanes sidekick..but I doubt they would let a thirteen year old wrestle:(

[3dman27]

sorry super-spyke but i think you'd have to be of legal age to work as a pro wrestler 21 at ileast

[super-spyke]

yea I know

[3dman27]

i was just visiting wwe.com and in their headlines section there was a notice that michael lockwood better known as crash holly in the wwe and mad mikey in nwa- tna has died .my condolences to mr lockwoods family

[super-spyke]

no way! how?

[Mr_Rocal]

man that sucks...............
My condolences to the Lockwoods..........

[super-spyke]

Okay I do not belive this but there are rumors that hwile he was at Steven Richerds house he appearintly choked on his own vomit,but I don't belive it.

[vegeta21]

Originally posted by 3dman27
sorry super-spyke but i think you'd have to be of legal age to work as a pro wrestler 21 at ileast

Well I believe Jeff Hardy was 16 when he started out, although I think he lied about his age. Also I think Rene Dupre was only 20 when he started out in the WWE.

[vegeta21]

Geeze, I just found out Crash died. The wrestling community seems to be losing alot of people in the last few weeks.

[vegeta21]

Originally posted by vegeta21
Well I believe Jeff Hardy was 16 when he started out, although I think he lied about his age. Also I think Rene Dupre was only 20 when he started out in the WWE.

Actually I think he'll only be 20 in december.

[super-spyke]

yea but I don't think I could lie,my voice is constantly cracking and well you can still see youth in me.

[3dman27]

Originally posted by super-spyke
no way! how? the notice i read on wwe.com unfortunatly gave no cause for his death

[super-spyke]

some reports thatI have read say that he choked on his own vomit.

[3dman27]

anyone want to give their prediction on survivor series here's one to start molly keeps the womens title from lita

[Sava]

Austins' team will lose

[3dman27]

any comments on survivor series i for one am glad molly retained her title over lita but when i visied wwe.com this morning allthe reults they had was who won over whom why not print the details?

[super-spyke]

man I was there at SS it sucked,my prediction on Taker's situation is he is coming back as................................................ .........................EVIL TAKER!!

[Visioncore18]

taker is having another rebirth.. he will come back as the old school taker

[Shockdingo]

YES! MOLLY WON!...but Austin lost :\

[Visioncore18]

batista owns all... i dont know why he was being punked out by goldberg.. he is all hype and im glad evo took care of him.. but whats up with kane??? is he loyal to evo now.. ?!?!? the plot is getting good on raw.. but we need the comic releif from austin anyone agree?

[clashingtitan]

rumor has it that when Undertake comes back he'll be back in the Deadman gimmick

[3dman27]

comic relief this is a job for THE HURRICANE AND ROSEVELT[it does sound more heroic than rosey don't you think?]

[~†~§iX~†~]

I think Survivor Series was one of the finest PPVs they have had in a long time; and I also think I was the only one that spotted Lita's camel toe incident during the women's title match:D!......

[3dman27]

camel toe incedent?i dont have pay per view so i missed it whats that

[~†~§iX~†~]

Well let's just say that there was a really obvious camera angle (I saw it straight away even though I was half asleep) that caught Lita's lower half offguard and didn't leave much to the imagination:D!......

[reggiebar]

Originally posted by ~†~§iX~†~
Well let's just say that there was a really obvious camera angle (I saw it straight away even though I was half asleep) that caught Lita's lower half offguard and didn't leave much to the imagination:D!......

Huh, I didn't see the PPV, but Jackie's nipple peeked out of her top last night on RAW. By cameltoe do you mean her struff popped out of her shorts or just a good view of her stuff in tight shorts?

[Archangel]

I noticed Jackie's nipple slip.

[WildChild]

Y2J's first on screen kiss I think last night on raw.

[WildChild]

And Matt Hardy Version 1 was great him making lita cry was my highlight of the night

[3dman27]

sounds like mr. peeps will be wanting to give version 1 a "mattitude adjustment"

[~†~§iX~†~]

Originally posted by reggiebar
Huh, I didn't see the PPV, but Jackie's nipple peeked out of her top last night on RAW. By cameltoe do you mean her struff popped out of her shorts or just a good view of her stuff in tight shorts?
A little from column A, a little from column B:D!......

[Visioncore18]

the funny thing about her nipple being out like that was that she didnt even notice it lol.. it was great

[3dman27]

any ideas on how raw roullette will turn out tonight als i understand gail kim's out whit a broken collarbone it must have happened during the match with trish stratus that aired on last nights heat i checked wwe .com again and i was righ the injury DID occur during the stratus-kim match and now she's out for 4 to 6 weeks

[3dman27]

i just visited wwe.com and noticiced the headline for raw read "didy2j score?" i thought chris jericho stopped using that nickname in 2000 sice by then the millinium pun was out of date

[The Amazing Spider-Man]

Well, his titantron video does say "Y2J" on it during the countdown.

[vegeta21]

"La resistance" just got "fired". Serves them right for being foreign.

[3dman27]

i though they were on bishoff's side of the austin-bishoff feud whassupwithat?

[GLfan]

Originally posted by vegeta21
"La resistance" just got "fired". Serves them right for being foreign. When did this happen?:p

[Superfreak]

NO one got fired... it was all a game... but Mankind RULES

[Archangel]

I don't remember Jericho ever losing that nickname, it's been on his shirts in recent years and as AMS said his titantron as well.


I didn't really like RAW last night, the matches seemed pretty boring, besides maybe the last match because of Kane and Orton.

[vegeta21]

Originally posted by Superfreak
NO one got fired... it was all a game... but Mankind RULES

Yeah Foley was just trying to show Bischoff how much of a douchebag he's been.

[Spider-Nerd]

There's already a wrestling thread.:p

[3dman27]

i think that ones about wrestling fans this one is about wrestling in general

[Shockdingo]

yup

[3dman27]

i was on comingsoon.net reading their wrestling thread and learned that larry booker known profesionally as moondog spot has passed away, my condolenses to his family

[Spider-Nerd]

Originally posted by 3dman27
i think that ones about wrestling fans this one is about wrestling in general it started out that way, but i'm sure the regular's there would welcome u guys.

[3dman27]

did you read the post on comingsoons wrestling thread about smackdowns nathan jones quitting the wwe after the plane he was on nearly crashed during an asia tour ?if i read that post right he burned out after the incedent and resigned despite several coworkers including the big show tried to convince him to stay.

[Mr.Webs]

Originally posted by 3dman27
i was on comingsoon.net reading their wrestling thread and learned that larry booker known profesionally as moondog spot has passed away, my condolenses to his family That's sad.:(

R.I.P :(

[Hypestyle]

I was surprised to stumble across this:

Ted Dibiase, the "Million Dollar Man", has become a born-again Christian, and has had his own outreach ministry for the past couple of years.. the main forum for it is the "PWA" Power Wrestling Alliance-- lower-budget wrestling cards, (targeting high schools, civic centers, etc.) including some former mainstream stars like greg valentine, sting, and others.. Toward the end of matches, Ted reprises his "MMM" role, and tries to "tempt" the face wrestlers with money & fast-life stuff... but they turn him down, and declare their love for the Lord...

Ted and the wrestlers share their testimonies, and
audience are invited to share their faith and commitment..

http://milliondollarman.com/

[Hypestyle]

Interview with STING

There’s a rumor going around the internet that you will be joining Hulk Hogan’s Universal’s federation (XWF)....

Well, it’s not Hulk Hogan’s Universal federation, first of all. They have been talking to me, yes, but I really don’t know if I am going to commit to anything. I hate to keep saying "never say never" but that’s all I can say.

I am in retirement, and I think I’m going to stay retired; it would take an awful lot to get me out of it, that’s all.

So, you just want to be a father to your children from now on....

Yes, but I can be a father and still wrestle, it’s just that there’s a pace and all that and I’ve done this for 15 years...

Ok, the "blonde haired Sting" or the "Crow" figure, which was your favorite?













You know, each one of them has their place in history, but I think I had more fun with the "Crow" character.

Did you model the character purposely after the Crow?

No (lol), it just ended up like that somehow....

You attend your brother’s church, any chance that you will join him on his pastoral staff?

I don’t feel that God’s calling me into something like that... I do believe that He made me who He made me into - Sting the wrestler - to at least share what He did in my life, and how He saved me, and who Jesus Christ is, and to talk about that... And I have been very outspoken about it.

What about the PWA, are you going to working with Ted any in the future?

Again, I have my doubts. Wrestling is, you know, retired... Let’s just say I’m retired for now....

Not necessarily as a wrestler, say as maybe an evangelist sharing your message, like Nikita does?

Yea, and I don’t know about that either... I feel that God’s calling me in another direction somehow or another.

I think that there can be a message through wrestling somehow, with wrestling characters like the Million Dollar Man and Nikita Koloff and Sting.... It depends on what one’s picture is of wrestling; in other words, I don’t think that I’m going to be going into... oh gee, how do I put this delicately... a situation where you have a few matches and then a message: I think Ted and Nikita called them "illustrated sermons". And I like "illustrated sermons" those can be phenomenal. I saw an incredible one by Joe White at Promise Keepers in California here a week and a half ago, it was phenomenal. So I think they can be incredible but I think the vision and the picture is just a little different, that’s all. I picture something theatrical, I don’t know what it is, and some wrestling to some degree, but not actually like scheduled matches: good guy vs. bad guy and all that. It’s more, well, I don’t want to say anything yet - it’s theatrics, it’s music, it’s lights - it’s all the cool stuff, the high tech cool stuff: the big screens, the incredible sound systems. Something like that, and I have this idea, I have this picture in my head that’s growing as the weeks go by.

Any plans to do more acting?

Well, I would love to, but I’ve been so busy being a husband and a father and Sue and I pursuing real estate that we’ve always loved to do... We are really pursuing real estate right now, we have couple of partners - we’re opening up an office plaza, we’re going to build one out here where I live in a strategic area. Sue and I are looking at homes and land. So we are really into th real estate thing and being parents right now: Steven is playing Pop Warner football and Garrett is starting music lessons again and he wants to play baseball... I tell you what, home schooling a couple days a week - it’s all a lot of time...

Do you do video games - Sony Playstation, etc.?

No... I mean the only thing I ever played like that and had any fun with was Tetris...

You and Rick Flair wrestled the last match as the "real" WCW ended. As you finished that match, you hugged, and spoke to each other. What did you say?

I can’t remember exactly what I said but it was something like "thanks for all the years, man, this is it"...

What did it feel like being the center piece in wrestling, that last match? That had to be a tremendous honor for you two.

You know, it’s a funny thing... I guess, in some way it was an honor, and yet, in another way it was a slap in the face.
Really?
Yea! Because, Vince McMahon came and bought WCW... I guess that he, knowing that Sting and Ric Flair carried the WCW banner for so many years, I guess he would have ticked too many people off not putting us on there one last time. But, you know, we had seven and a half minutes to wrestle, or something like that. It was only to promote the WWF. I don’t know, I think it could have been done different, could have been done better, but, that’s life.

I know for the fans. it was an honor to see you two as the last match. Most couldn’t see it going out any other way.

A lot of people agree with that, so...

What is your feelings on the state of wrestling today? Do you pay any attention to it at all or just let it go on it’s own merry little way?

Yea, I don’t really watch. I don’t watch anymore - I know that the ratings have come down, the WWF ratings have come down. Rock and Stone Cold and all the guys, I guess they’re... wrestling goes in ups and downs and most of the time I don’t think it’s the talent. I mean you can’t point the finger at the Rock, you can’t point the finger at Stone Cold - you can’t point the finger at all these guys... It’s the writing, just like a soap opera. When the writing suffers, then the ratings suffer. Most of the time it’s not the talent - I mean somebody like the Rock who’s just like beyond what any wrestler’s ever become. And their still struggling - I don’t know what’s going on up there. But it’s too raunchy and too... you know I couldn’t even figure out a place to plug myself in.

Let’s get away from wrestling now - how did you come to know Jesus Christ?

Well, I had to, unfortunately, reach my rock bottom. They talk about that deep dark despair, well I got there. After so many years of living a lifestyle on the road, my marriage and my family suffering because of it... I finally got to the point where I needed something supernatural, I needed Divine intervention. I tell people the same thing: I just got to the point where I knew that there wasn’t a drug, there wasn’t any amount of money, there wasn’t a contract, there wasn’t enough toys, there wasn’t a psychologist, there wasn’t anything in the world that could fix me and I knew it. I also knew I wasn’t going to be able to wake up from a bad dream. This was life and I needed something supernatural and I got it!

Now, if a person asked you "Steve, how do I get saved"? What is your word to them?

Just submit yourself, just totally surrender yourself to Jesus Christ. Have faith that He actually lived on this earth that the bible is not just a fairy tale - that it’s real: that there is a Heaven, there is a hell. And to really think about it - think about where you might go when you die. Just based on the chance that there is a Heaven and a hell, do you know where you might go? And if there is a chance that Heaven and a hell really exist then don’t you want to go to Heaven? You definitely don’t want to go to hell, where your worst nightmare - the scariest moment you ever had in you life, multiply it millions upon millions of times - you just don’t want to be there. That’s kind of a scare tactic I guess, but that’s the way I was convicted. Somebody asked me one day when I was in a hotel "You’re gettin’ on a plane, do you know where you are going to go if you die today?" And I really thought about - I thought, man, if this plane goes down where am I going to go?" I never really honestly thought about it, but ther was something that told me if the plane does go down, there are know second chances. You’ve made your bed, now you’ve got to sleep in it. There’s no getting out of it - talk about a bad dream that you can’t get out of... Yea, I would just say that Jesus lived and He died on the cross for your sins and mine and if you just trust in Him and believe in Him, ask Him into your heart - let Him in, surrender to Him, that He can change, transform your life - He can put reconciliation where there hasn’t been any before, He can put healing in your body where there has never been any before no matter what the doctors say.... I can go on and on about what He can do... Healing relationships, it’s just incredible.

Any general thought on Ted? After all, this is his newsletter (lol).....

Yea, well Ted was with Bill Watts when I first came to Bill Watts and the UWF years ago and he was a huge star - he was like the top guy, the top babyface. Jake the Snake was there and ended up leaving a little bit earlier than Ted, if I remember right, and then Ted left a little while later... He left and became the Million Dollar Man and he was just one of those guys that I said, "I want to make it - I want to make it like those guys did. Jake was off and running and now Ted was off and running, and I wanted to be one of them. And as far as his wrestling, he was a great wrestler. He knew how to work the ring - he was a good ring general. He had good psychology - he was well rounded, most definitely. Incredible on the microphone - great voice. This is his newsletter (lol), but all of this is just the truth. He was excellent at what he did. To this day, when I am with him, he will have people say to him "...I used to just hate you..." and he’ll just laugh, with his deep voice, and if I’m there I’ll say "Well, you know what? That means he was very good at what he did...". And I’ll tell you what, most everybody hated him... He was very good at his trade.

He’s a little different person now though isn’t he?

Yes. As far as a person? Ted was one of those seeds that was planted around me. And it was fruitful, it started to grow. Ted, to this day, will call from time to time, on the voice mail, and just say "Hey Steve, Ted..." and he’ll be in some city somewhere getting ready to go to some school to talk to some kids. He’ll just say "Man, I was thinkin’ about ya and just wanted to let you know that I love ya and I’m prayin’ for you and your family... keep on goin’". It’s always something

[Omega Red]

I not only watch it I am an indy wrestler

[Hypestyle]

Originally posted by Omega Red
I not only watch it I am an indy wrestler

what league?

[3dman27]

anone want to comment on armegeddon?

[GLfan]

I liked the PPV although, I was surprised at the ending.

[3dman27]

i visited wwe a minute ago and read that rosey and his wife have just welcomed their second child, a daughter congrats big fella

[Superfreak]

Why did Mankind walk out on Monday crying?

Did he get whipped by Orton?

Or did something 'emotional' happen?

PS. The Handicap Tag Team match... Evolution (minus Orton) vs. Van Damme and Sean Micheals. That was wicked. An awesome match for non-paperview

[3dman27]

in the storyline mick had an unexpected burnout thats why he left btw next weeks show is the annual retrospective so it wont go any farther than the week after next or the first week in jan.

[Omega Red]

If you would see my pic of me at age 7 on Andre's shoulder crying my eyes out. When I remember that its wha made me want to become a wrestler

[Superfreak]

Are you a wrestler?

[3dman27]

did anybody see the smackdown christmas in bagdad special?i did. verry good oddly enough last week before i found out about the show i started wondering why the wwe never aired any raw or smackdown matches from their international tours. now i see what such a show would look like and i like it no boring storylines just wall to wall action which is what i watch wresting for.

[GLfan]

I thought it was a pretty good show. Stone Cold returns!!

[Omega Red]

Originally posted by Superfreak
Are you a wrestler?

Yeah, not a famous one but I am a wrestler

[Go Web Go!]

Look what I found:

http://mediaservice.photoisland.com/auction/Dec/200312192955606134187827.jpg

:D

[GLfan]

Their heads don't match the bodies, it's a fake picture.

[3dman27]

i read an item that nora greenwald aka womens champion molly holly is getting her own reality show called"me myself and molly it that true or a gag ?with all the reality shows popping up its hard to tell

[Go Web Go!]

Originally posted by GLfan
Their heads don't match the bodies, it's a fake picture.

Na, ya think? I know it is, man. Come on...It's a gag...:rolleyes:

[3dman27]

any opinions on the royal rumble?

[GLfan]

I'll be watching in great anticipation. My predictions:

1. Holly over Brock Lesnar, unless Holly gets DQ'd and beats the heck out of him afterward.

2. Michaels over HHH

3. Evolution over The Dudley's too soon for Evolution to lose.

4. I'm hoping John Cena Wins the Rumble

5. Bashem's will lose their titles, I hope.

6. Eddie Guerrero over Chavo by pin to get his revenge, since he lost on Smackdown. I'm not sure what the rest of the card will be.

[Supergirl]

HBK is going to rock HHH's puny pathetic world.
"What's that I hear? A little sweet chin music?"

[clashingtitan]

I used to do some backyard wrestling, well one match then i got konked on the head with a chair and quit, that **** hurts like hell.

[Sava]

Benoit will win the Rumble

[3dman27]

say can anyone explain why there isn't a womens championship match sheduled for the rr i thought victoria was supposed to face molly holly for her belt then?

[GLfan]

They probably already have a full card with the scheduled matches, I bet they'll have something for them at next months No Way Out PPV.

[3dman27]

i checked the royal rumble page and all it gives us are the winners with NO DETAILS wassupwiththat?

[FVD]

I just wish they stop pushing Triple H to the moon. Just look at him now. He's beginning to fill out. He's a complete bore. I've heard rumours of either Cena or Benoit winning the Rumble so they can have a go at Cripple H on Raw.

Now I'm gonna be really pissed if that happens. I hope they remain on Smackdown. Goldberg has not been legitimately beaten by Cripple H yet. The bastard pinned Kane.

And apparently Goldberg may be gone after Wrestlemania XX. I have a feeling that they're keeping everybody in suspense whether Goldberg will remain with the comapny or not.

I too wouldn't mind seeing some of TNA as well as it has never seen the light of day in NZ.

FVD.

[JINoside]

Yeah, i agree. Goldbergs been downplayed So badly its not even funnie. He could beat dam near anyone in Raw and Smackdown. Oh well:o....

Chris Benoit won the Rumble!. Big Show should've won:mad:.
HHH vs HBK = Tie.
Evolution
vs
Dudley Boyz = Evolution
Thats all i remenber.

[OtepApe]

Could you imagine Big Show in the main event at WM? It seems pretty unlikely. Ok he was in it at WM2000 but he also had Rock, Mick and HHH, so that doesn't really count.

[WEB OF SPIDEY]

Went to Summerslam at Wembley in 92 but stopped watching it after that, who won the Royal Rumble?

[WEB OF SPIDEY]

Originally posted by WEB OF SPIDEY
Went to Summerslam at Wembley in 92 but stopped watching it after that, who won the Royal Rumble?

Just saw in a previous post, so no need to answer

[OtepApe]

You went to Summerslam 92!!! Dude, that must have been amazing. There was something like 80'000 people there, did you get good seats? I would love to have gone to that event, Bret Hart vs The Bulldog, that was an awesome match.

[GLfan]

Looks like a Mania return.

[OtepApe]

I think a return on Raw a few weeks from WM and then a WM match up, possibly Hell in the Cell.

[Keyser Soze]

ROYAL RUMBLE SPOILER WARNING

You still here?

Okay.

Chris Benoit won the Royal Rumble, and moved to Raw to challenge Triple H. I was a bit worried at first, because I wanted Benoit to turn heel and face Angle at WM20, but htis could work really well actually. I so hope Benoit beats Triple H, as he deserves to finally get a title reign, and where better to win the title than Wrestlemania?

If he wins the title, he should have a long reign, fighting heels and faces - all who rise to the challenge. Imagine the possibilities - Benoit VS Jericho, Benoit VS HBK, Benoit VS RIC FLAIR. The prospects are mouth-watering. Also, having a guy like Benoit on the Raw roster will allow talent with potential, such as Randy Orton, to improve on their ability. And we may finally get to see my dream match: Chris Benoit VS Lance Storm!

Meanwhile, on the Smackdown side of things, here's what I see happening. This month, we'll see the beginnings of an Eddie Guerrero/Brock Lesnar feud. They'll fight at No Way OUt, and Guerrero will win the World Title! Meanwhile, Chavo will be acting like a nuisance, constantly annoying various people, particularly Kurt Angle. The Smackdown after No Way Out, Chavo will challenge Angle to a match, and Eddie will be on commentary. The match will just be getting started, when Guerrero will come out and destroy Angle, turning heel. It will turn out that Chavo and Eddie were still together all along, which is why their match was so short at Royal Rumble, and it was all a plan to get to Angle. This will set up Kurt Angle VS Eddie Guerrero for Wrestlemania 20, and leave Lesnar free to take on Goldberg.

So my predicted card for Wresltemanis 20 so far is:

WORLD TITLE MATCH
Chris Benoit VS Triple H

WWE HEAVYWEIGHT TITLE MATCH
Kurt Angle VS Eddie Guerrero

RAW VS SMACKDOWN #1
Brock Lesnar VS Goldberg

RAW VS SMACKDOWN #2
Kane VS Undertaker

Randy Orton VS Mick Foley

John Cena VS The Rock

Chris Jericho VS Shawn Michaels

Big Show VS Edge

[OtepApe]

My predicted matches for WM are:

*HHH vs Chris Benoit (World Champioship)
*Kane vs The Undertaker (Hell in the Cell)
*Brock Lesnar vs Goldberg (WWE Heavyweight Chapionship)
*Chris Jericho/Shawn Michaels vs Ric Flair/Batista ( Tag Team Titles)
*John Cena vs Big Show(US Title)
* Kurt Angle vs Eddie Guerrero

[JINoside]

Originally posted by OtepApe
Could you imagine Big Show in the main event at WM? It seems pretty unlikely. Ok he was in it at WM2000 but he also had Rock, Mick and HHH, so that doesn't really count.

Ofcourse i would, hes worthy of it ain't he?. That Rumble was his, he had thrown a lot of people out. Benoit was there from the begining. I should've known something was fishy. Oh well, As long as Big Show gets to go to WrestleMania its all good for me.....

[OtepApe]

Big Show ina one on one match in the main event of WM = boring as hell

[JINoside]

Originally posted by OtepApe
Big Show ina one on one match in the main event of WM = boring as hell

Ooh Come On!, Why do you say That?. Big Show kicks ass man.....

Oh yeah, and its obvious, they Are trading.....

[Archangel]

Originally posted by JINoside
Ooh Come On!, Why do you say That?. Big Show kicks ass man.....

Oh yeah, and its obvious, they Are trading.....


OMG....sorry but you probably like the no talent hacks like Goldberg, Steiner and A-train too don't you?:(


The pushing of the big no talent wrestlers has led me to stop watching wrestling for the past two months, but now with Benoit getting a push i'm gonna have to start watching again. And stupid Jericho for defending Trish, I hate this storyline...

[Go Web Go!]

Originally posted by Keyser Kingpin
Big Show VS Edge

I would'nt count on Edge being back in time for WrestleMania. Chances are that he'll be back soon thereafter.

[GLfan]

Originally posted by OtepApe
My predicted matches for WM are:
* Kurt Angle vs Eddie Guerrero I wouldn't count on this one, rumor has it that Eddie will face Lesnar at next months No Way Out PPV. Plus Angle isn't 100% with his neck.

[3dman27]

i wouldnt mind seeing TORRIE WILSON coming to raw for one of raws overated male wrestlers

more superheroics less talking heads

[OtepApe]

Originally posted by JINoside
Ooh Come On!, Why do you say That?. Big Show kicks ass man.....

Oh yeah, and its obvious, they Are trading.....

No, Big Show is an ass. The guy has no wrestling talent.

[Keyser Soze]

Firstly, speaking as a person who hates big no-talent hacks like Steiner and A-Train, I have to say that Big Show rocks. he is charismatic for a big man, and does his job as being the big monster very well.

As for the Eddie Guerrero / Kurt Angle match being unlikely because Guerrero is facing Lesnar at No Way Out, this is my point exactly. Guerrero faces Lesnar at No Way OUt and wins the title! From there, he turns on Angle and they fight at Wrestlemania, where Eddie of course CHEATS TO WIN. Angle is put on a reduced workload until he recovers, and Eddie goes on defending his belt.

And Benoit should hold the belt for a long time. A Chris Benoit title reign could save the WWE.

[JINoside]

Originally posted by Keyser Kingpin
Firstly, speaking as a person who hates big no-talent hacks like Steiner and A-Train, I have to say that Big Show rocks. he is charismatic for a big man, and does his job as being the big monster very well.

Exsactly!

Hes been doing his thing. That Rumble was his. Big Show has talent. Hes just never the flavor of the week and he could woop arse. Hes been wooping since WCW, its just sometimes as always hes cheated out of a title/match. He good....

[OtepApe]

The onjly reason Big Show has gotten as far as he's got is because Vince likes big men( possibly in more ways then one). Big Show has nowhere near as much talent as people like Chris Benoit, Eddie Guerrero, Edge, Rob Van Dam and various others, they have never the WWE Title, Big Show has 'coz he is easier to market as an unstoppable monster. He might be one of the better big men in the world of professional wrestling, but compared to the people I mentioned earlier and various others, Big Show is talentless.

[OtepApe]

I say no, there isn't a chance in hell HHH is going to give that belt up at least of all at WM. HHH only looks out for number 1, he doesn't give a **** about Benoit, the company or anyone else.

[Go Web Go!]

I say he'll pull off the upset. And one reason I think that'll happen is because Triple H has had it way too long. Not only that, but because of the fact that he'll be away to film some movies in the near future. He won't miss as much as The Rock, but just a few appearances here and there. If Benoit did'nt win, then there would'nt have been a reason to move him over to RAW. Yup...

[3dman27]

also now that triple h is mr macmahons REAL LIFE son in law theres a conflict of interest in letting him hold any title for too long a time

more superheroics less talking heads

[3dman27]

yes triple h married stephanie macmahon for real last october

[OtepApe]

Yeah they married last october but they have been together for years, around the time HHH won his first world title. Hmmmmm now that's a coincidence.

[WildChild]

Originally posted by OtepApe
I say no, there isn't a chance in hell HHH is going to give that belt up at least of all at WM. HHH only looks out for number 1, he doesn't give a **** about Benoit, the company or anyone else.

The Man Speaks the truth Triple H is the Devil, The Devil I tell you.

[Keyser Soze]

I SO want to see Benoit win the title at Wrestlemania, the fans want to see Benoit winthe title at Wrestlemania, the wrestling community want to see Benoit win the title at Wrestlemania, EVERYONE wants to see Benoit win the title at Wrestlemania!

So of course Triple H will retain.

[WildChild]

SmackDown! Was great tonight. The Rumble tonight was amazing.

[The Ghoul]

What undertaker thing was on Smackdown. I ussually don't watch it I just watch Raw.

[The Ghoul]

Originally posted by The Sabretooth
They started talking about him,plus they were replaying the things that happend at RR and RAW.

No gongs or creepy videos indicating that he will return oldschool style?

[Archangel]

I didn't watch it, but mu guess is that they're just gonna use the creepy stuff on RAW to intimidate Kane.

[The Ghoul]

I can't for his return. I never hated him, but I was bothered by the biker character.

[The Ghoul]

I think it's at chin length. I am also growing my hair & trust me it takes a long time.

[Dodgey Browne]

Most definetely he will face Kane at Mania.
Furthermore:

Goldberg vs Brock Lesnar
Mick Foley vs Randy Orton
Chris Benoit vs Triple H (most likely)

and maybe Kurt Angle vs Ken Shamrock...



















yeah....I like the WWE too.

[BlackSymbiote]

Originally posted by Dodgey Browne
and maybe Kurt Angle vs Ken Shamrock...

Did anyone else hear that Angle wanted to wrestle Bret Hart and Hart was actually considering it?

I just hope the WWE doesn't turn Benoit into Triple H fodder and permanent midcarder.

[Go Web Go!]

Shamrock? I wish, but it's not happening. Chances are that it'll be Angle vs. Guerrero at WrestleMania XX...

[Keyser Soze]

I heard two conflicting rumours. the first rumour is the one we want to be true, that WWE officials finally feel it's Benoit's time for a title run, and since Triple H is going away to Hollywood, they felt he would be the perfect replacement.

But the other rumour I've heard is very negative. Apparently, Triple H and Shawn Michaels ego's have gotten to a stalemate, so neither one will job to the other. So Triple H wants Benoit brought in for two reasons. Firstly, since he is such a great wrestler, he will be able to make Triple H look good in the ring. Secondly, he'll be a guy who Triple H can consistently beat and never lose to while Shawn Michaels is allowed to look strong as the top face on Raw.

[FVD]

I hate that notion. If Benoit loses to Triple H at WMXX I'm never watching Raw again. Cripple H can't draw flies.

And Steiner a no talent hack???? Where have you been in the last 10-15 years. Yeah I understand his better years are behind him but I wish he were the top heel on Raw. He's gotten beyond his ring rust but I still enjoy his mic spots. I guess we'll never see his WCW heel reputation when he went on his title run a few years back.

FVD.

[Archangel]

Originally posted by FVD
I hate that notion. If Benoit loses to Triple H at WMXX I'm never watching Raw again. Cripple H can't draw flies.

And Steiner a no talent hack???? Where have you been in the last 10-15 years. Yeah I understand his better years are behind him but I wish he were the top heel on Raw. He's gotten beyond his ring rust but I still enjoy his mic spots. I guess we'll never see his WCW heel reputation when he went on his title run a few years back.

FVD.


Yes, Steiner is a no talent hack, once he hit the steroids he lost it. And you actually enjoy is mic work? God his shtick is one of the most annoying i've heard "My freaks and my peaks".....The top heels on Raw should be Jericho and Kane.

[The Ghoul]

Originally posted by Archangel
The top heels on Raw should be Jericho and Kane.

Jericho is going to be babyface & start having a fued with Cristian.

[Keyser Soze]

The only reason they are turning Jericho into a babyface is because he was more over as a heel than Triple H, and Triple H was feeling intimidated that his status as the main heel on Raw was being threatened.

[OtepApe]

Originally posted by Keyser Kingpin
The only reason they are turning Jericho into a babyface is because he was more over as a heel than Triple H, and Triple H was feeling intimidated that his status as the main heel on Raw was being threatened.

Agreed. Jericho is witty, charismatic and he does the little things that make him a good heel. All HHH does is sound constipated, I swear one good dump and that voice will just cease to exist. Plus HHH needs an entire faction to make him a heel. Jericho only needs himself.

[The Ghoul]

I heard a rumor that Sting was supposed to sign with Raw. Now, I hear he is on NWA/TNA. Could someone explain that for me?

[Archangel]

Originally posted by The Ghoul
Jericho is going to be babyface & start having a fued with Cristian.


Yeah I know, thats why I said SHOULD......I am happy with where Kane's going though, with the return of Deadman Undertaker and all.

[Crimson_Dynamo]

wcw was awesome from 95-98.......i still watch wwe but not as much as i use to.

[Joker uk]

Hi Guys if u like Rey Mysterio and Eddie Guerrero u should try and get some AAA Tapes from 93 to 96 rey was even better then and Guerrero was fantastic with one of the best heel's ever Art barr in Los Gringos Loco's superb.

[Go Web Go!]

Originally posted by The Ghoul
I heard a rumor that Sting was supposed to sign with Raw. Now, I hear he is on NWA/TNA. Could someone explain that for me?

He's been with NWA/TNA. The rumors that he'd sign with the WWE were just that: rumors. From what I understand, they were discussing it but could'nt come to an agreement. So off he went to the next promotion in line...

[Keyser Soze]

The best wrestling in America is, without a shadow of a soubt, Ring Of Honor. But WWE's the most accessible wrestling product out there.

Okay that was a random comment. Let's think of something else to discuss.

Did you notice that, in the Royal Rumble, Randy Orton and John Cena were kept apart, with Orton gone before Cena made his entrance. Do you think the WWE are going to keep these guys apart for as long as possible? Then, in the future when they've both become big stars - Cena the top babyface on Smackdown and Orton the top heel on Raw - they'll face each other in a Wrestlemania dream match.

[3dman27]

i read a post on www. comingsoon.net saying that the wwe shuld jettison the brand extension storyline and go back to having all the superstars on both shows what do you think me i agree with dumping the exension

[OtepApe]

The good things about the extension is that lesser known wrestlers are getting a chance, if the brand extension is dropped then these wrestlers won't get a chance. I say keep the brand extension, it seems to be working out quite well,IMO.

[Go Web Go!]

Yeah, if the brand extension did'nt happen you can bet we would'nt have guys like Cena, Orton, and a few other of the younger stars around or in the position they're in. The same can be said about guys who are finally getting airtime...

[3dman27]

i just visited www.wwe.com and read the result" trish stratus vs kane in a no contest" that HAS to be a misprint who'd trish REALLY wrestle last night? thanks

[BlackSymbiote]

Originally posted by Keyser Kingpin
The best wrestling in America is, without a shadow of a soubt, Ring Of Honor.

You are correct sir.

[BlackSymbiote]

So does anyone in this thread watch anything OTHER than the WWE?

I stopped watching WWE a long time ago. Only time I watch it now is a PPV at Hooters because I won't pay forty bucks for two hours of pure crap.

I watch NWA:TNA every Wednsday, and various tapes of Ring of Honor and Combat Zone Wrestling, and various Japan feds.

[3dman27]

to the best of my knowledge ,the only wrestling shows on free tv or cable [non ppv ] ARE wwe product

[BlackSymbiote]

Originally posted by 3dman27
to the best of my knowledge ,the only wrestling shows on free tv or cable [non ppv ] ARE wwe product

World League Wrestling has shows on PAX I think, and Lucha Libre has a show at 3pm Central Time on Sundays one of those Mexican channels, so WWE isn't the only wrestling on basic cable.

There used to be a promotion that had Booker T, Buff Bagwell, Jerry Lynn, and X-Pac in it on a local channel in St. Louis.

If you live on the West Coast, you can get wrestling out there, and if you live on the East Coast, you can get CZW Fake You TV, and if you have the Sunshine Network, you can get MLW Underground (which I think is a network on basic Florida cable), and NWA Wildside in Georgia. There are also many many many various NWA member feds all over the country on local networks.

There are also various indy feds that are on local networks on the East and West Coast.

The WWE is just the biggest and only the hardcore fans know about life outside of the WWE.

[Keyser Soze]

Like the sig BlackSymbiote. Quote from CM Punk (who hopefully will get to relive his awesome indy feud with Raven on TNA), VERY funny quote from AJ Styles, and a bzarre quote from yourself.

Firstly, I have mixed feelings about the brand extension. Let's first look at the strong points. As many people have mentioned, having a brand extension allows younger talent such as Orton and Cena some time in the spotlight. Having two shows allows for there to be two main event scenes. Raw has Triple H as champion (unfortunately), with Chris Benoit, Shawn Michaels and Goldberg all gunning for him, although Triple H has backup in hte form of his faction, Evolution, made up of Ric Flair, Randy Orton and Batista. Smackdown has Brock Lesnar as champ, although I think he'll soon lose the belt to Eddie Guerrero, who will subsequently turn heel, with Angle playing the role as top babyface (man, Smackdown needs more headliners!) You know that, without the brand extension, we would just have Triple H as champ, with a far more limited list of contenders. Furthermore, having brand-exclusive PPVs allows for two months to build up the major feuds. For example, with No Way Out being a Smackdown PPV, Raw has two months to build up the Chris Benoit/Triple H feud.

Now for the weak points. Each roster is watered down with crap guys to fill out the numbers. Raw has hunks of crap like Mark Henry and Scott Steiner, while Smackdown is stuck with Hardcore Holly, The APA and other wastes of space. Moreover, the tag division suffers. WWE on the whole is stuck with a ridiculously small tag division (the drawback of splitting up all your teams). Worse still, the brand extension means this already negligable tag roster is halved between the two shows. So now, Raw has the Dudleys and a bunch of inexperienced, thrown together teams, and Smackdown has the SPWGTT, and a bunch of inexperienced, thrown together teams. WWE sorely needs to bring in the likes of the Briscoe Brothers and the Backseat Boyz to fill out their tag team ranks.

As for the whole alternatives to WWE issue, I was a WWF fan from the age of five, and have been with the copmany in its low periods, and while I have to say they are just recovering from arguably their lowest period, it would take a whole lot to make me completely give up on WWE. Their key problem now is that their is no competition. What was the point of buying WCW just to destroy it, then having two "rival" brands? Couldn't you have had a WWF brand and a WCW brand? Maybe keep Smackdown and change Raw to Nitro? You could have had Smackdown as a solely WWE product, and Nitro could be where all the WCW signings were put, with the roster being filled out wiht WWE guys as well. Anyway, i digress. What I wanted to say was that what WWE needs is competition. So I hope TNA continues to grow, and that people begin to see it as a viable alternative to WWE. All TNA needs for this to happen is a national TV deal. Weekly PPVs make them different from WWE, but it limits their growth potential.

[BlackSymbiote]

Originally posted by Keyser Kingpin
Like the sig BlackSymbiote. Quote from CM Punk (who hopefully will get to relive his awesome indy feud with Raven on TNA), VERY funny quote from AJ Styles, and a bzarre quote from yourself.

'Bout time someone noticed my sig. I only recently found out what Straightedge means, and it was from watching the CZW Best of the Best tournament 2, where the announcer called someone Straightedge because he's clean. Now I sure hope that's what it means.

Firstly, I have mixed feelings about the brand extension. Let's first look at the strong points. As many people have mentioned, having a brand extension allows younger talent such as Orton and Cena some time in the spotlight. Having two shows allows for there to be two main event scenes. Raw has Triple H as champion (unfortunately), with Chris Benoit, Shawn Michaels and Goldberg all gunning for him, although Triple H has backup in hte form of his faction, Evolution, made up of Ric Flair, Randy Orton and Batista. Smackdown has Brock Lesnar as champ, although I think he'll soon lose the belt to Eddie Guerrero, who will subsequently turn heel, with Angle playing the role as top babyface (man, Smackdown needs more headliners!) You know that, without the brand extension, we would just have Triple H as champ, with a far more limited list of contenders. Furthermore, having brand-exclusive PPVs allows for two months to build up the major feuds. For example, with No Way Out being a Smackdown PPV, Raw has two months to build up the Chris Benoit/Triple H feud.

You remember way back in the golden age of wrestling when the WWE only had six PPVs a year, and did that 2 month build up always? I liked that better then the slapdash one month fued. But I suppose if it plays on two shows, it's the equivalent of two months.

Now for the weak points. Each roster is watered down with crap guys to fill out the numbers. Raw has hunks of crap like Mark Henry and Scott Steiner, while Smackdown is stuck with Hardcore Holly, The APA and other wastes of space. Moreover, the tag division suffers. WWE on the whole is stuck with a ridiculously small tag division (the drawback of splitting up all your teams). Worse still, the brand extension means this already negligable tag roster is halved between the two shows. So now, Raw has the Dudleys and a bunch of inexperienced, thrown together teams, and Smackdown has the SPWGTT, and a bunch of inexperienced, thrown together teams. WWE sorely needs to bring in the likes of the Briscoe Brothers and the Backseat Boyz to fill out their tag team ranks.

The APA aren't too bad. They were pretty funny when they started the whole APA thing. But the tag division in the WWE has always suffered, just like their Light Heavyweight Division. The only reason the Crusierweight Division isn't floundering is because it's on Smackdown and gets the time it needs. It's like no one cares about good tag team wrestling.

But then I suppose it's easier to be an open door indy fed like TNA to have a great tag division since you can bring in one of the many tag teams out there.

But no, please no Briscoes or Backseat (or at least Trent Acid, haven't seen much Kashmere). Look what they did to Paul London and Spanky! Spanky even quit! I don't want to see the awesome Briscoes and Trent Acid become watered down crap like London became and Spanky was, especially after starting out so well and having that awesome match with Angle (got to love Angle. He'll put over anyone and do it well).

As for the whole alternatives to WWE issue, I was a WWF fan from the age of five, and have been with the copmany in its low periods, and while I have to say they are just recovering from arguably their lowest period, it would take a whole lot to make me completely give up on WWE. Their key problem now is that their is no competition. What was the point of buying WCW just to destroy it, then having two "rival" brands?

It's simple. Ego. Vince has a massive ego. Just look at the state of the WWE. Who gets pushed? No WCW or ECW guys. The only reason Jericho and Big Show got pushes was because they came over from WCW before it died. Vince bought WCW just to destroy it, just to go "Look! I win!" It's why he brings in London and Spanky and then has them put on Velocity jobbing three weeks in a row to the FBI.

The only reason Goldberg got any kind of push was because the WWE was desperate for ratings, but even then people still say they dropped the ball with Goldberg. I heard that Sting was in talks and then he saw what they did to Goldberg and backed out.

It's pure ego, and the WWE will not improve, nor will any of the non WWE talent get any decent push, until Vince can check his ego.

He and Linda already blame all the wrestlers for the sagging ratings and negative reviews and comments, or at least that's what the news sites say.

So I hope TNA continues to grow, and that people begin to see it as a viable alternative to WWE. All TNA needs for this to happen is a national TV deal. Weekly PPVs make them different from WWE, but it limits their growth potential.

From what I hear, TNA is going to sign a TV deal with WGN, but since WGN charges 60 GRAND for one hour, TNA might just make a half hour show. But it's on at a horrible time (I think 10am on Saturday).

They need to go elsewhere.

[3dman27]

i think the two month fued idea makes more sense

[Keyser Soze]

I agree with your points on Vince's ego affecteing the Invasion angle. he wanted to make WCW look as weak as possible. Can you remember it. The only members of team WCW/ECW that were any threat to the WWE boys were the WWE guys who had crossed over to WCW/ECW during the angle. The WCW key players, like Goldberg, Steiner and Ric Flair, were not brought in for the angle because they were "too expensive". but then look, as soon as WCW is dead and buried, one by one they all start appearing on WWE TV. The guys who could have given WCW credibility only appearing after WCW has been dissolved? Convenient...

And I'm really annoyed by news I've heard recently. Apparently, Triple H is bugging Vince mcMahon to make the Wrestlemania XX match with Benoit into a Triple Threat, Benoit V HHH V Shawn Michaels. That way, Benoit can win the title by pinning Michaels, and Triple H can win it back the next month. This would mean that he never lost to Benoit. Because Benoit obviously isn't even good enough to lace HHH's boots.

[BlackSymbiote]

Originally posted by Keyser Kingpin
And I'm really annoyed by news I've heard recently. Apparently, Triple H is bugging Vince mcMahon to make the Wrestlemania XX match with Benoit into a Triple Threat, Benoit V HHH V Shawn Michaels. That way, Benoit can win the title by pinning Michaels, and Triple H can win it back the next month. This would mean that he never lost to Benoit. Because Benoit obviously isn't even good enough to lace HHH's boots.

Wouldn't be surprised. I think it was in this thread that someone said Triple H and HBK's egos have come to a stalemate and neither will job to each other, so they'll bring in Benoit, who will make them both look good without either doing much of anything, and job him over and over and over.

Personally I hope they do do this so Benoit will finally get fed up and go to NWA:TNA.

[3dman27]

i visited www.wwe.com this morning and learned that zach gowen[ the wrestler with an artifical leg] has been released from his contract. too bad as taz once said of him for becoming a pro wrestler despite an amputated leg," he has my respect" and mine as well. i know wrestling's just a coordinated stunt show nowadays but i give mr gowan credit for guts trying his hand in a buisness that physical.

[Keyser Soze]

Well, its sad to say, but I think Vince just hired him for the publicity. When it didn't get all that much, Vince saw Zack as redundant and dropped him. Best thing really, I suppose. No use hanging on to guys you have no use for.

And you're right about hearing that comment about Triple H and HBK reaching a stalemate here. I was the one who said it. I just hope Chris Benoit gets a title reign. It may not be a long one (although I'd like it to be) but it would be good to just be able to put in the record books that Chris Benoit was World champion. If they can give it to Goldberg, surely Benoit deserves a run.

I'm starting to like hte direction Smackdown is headed.

***SMACKDOWN SPOILERS!***


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Still reading?


Okay, a match to determine who challenges for the WWE Heavyweight Title has been set for Wrestlemania - Kurt Angle VS John Cena VS Big Show. Add this on to the Eddie Guerrero VS Brock Lesnar match set, and here's what it looks like we're heading to:

No Way Out
- Kurt Angle wins the three-way, earning a shot at the title at Wrestlemania.
- In the main event, aftre a ref bump, Angle comes out and hits the Angle Slam on Guerrero, triggering a heel turn.
- Brock Lesnar will be all set to gain the cheap win, when Goldberg (who has a front row seat at No Way Out thanks to Austin) comes in and hits the Jackhammer.
- The referee wakes up to a level playing field - both men hurt. They start fighting again, and Guerrero wins, becoming champ!
- So Angle VS Guerrero for the title is set for Wrestlemania, with Goldberg set to fight Brock Lesnar in a grudge match.

I think it's obvious that Paul Heyman has been unofficially reassigned as head writer on Smackdown.

[The Ghoul]

Originally posted by Keyser Kingpin
I think it's obvious that Paul Heyman has been unofficially reassigned as head writer on Smackdown.

So true, but not just smakdown, all of WWE, because Heyman is the only one who see's potential in the ones Vince & Bishoff over looked. Theres Eddie & Benoit, both veterans for over 20 years, both a part of not only ECW, WWE & WCW, yet the never had the heavyweight/ world belt before. Truthfully, it's about ****ing time, too.

[Go Web Go!]

Originally posted by Keyser Kingpin

No Way Out
- Kurt Angle wins the three-way, earning a shot at the title at Wrestlemania.
- In the main event, aftre a ref bump, Angle comes out and hits the Angle Slam on Guerrero, triggering a heel turn.
- Brock Lesnar will be all set to gain the cheap win, when Goldberg (who has a front row seat at No Way Out thanks to Austin) comes in and hits the Jackhammer.
- The referee wakes up to a level playing field - both men hurt. They start fighting again, and Guerrero wins, becoming champ!
- So Angle VS Guerrero for the title is set for Wrestlemania, with Goldberg set to fight Brock Lesnar in a grudge match.

I think it's obvious that Paul Heyman has been unofficially reassigned as head writer on Smackdown.

I think basically everything that you said is going to happen, but because a Goldberg vs. Lesnar WWE title match is more attractive, more of a main event type match-up, I would'nt count on Eddie winning the title. Here's what I think will happen:

-Through out the event they talk about Goldberg having a front row seat to the ppv, but he never shows...
-Angle wins the Triple Threat match
-Angle interferes in the WWE title match, costs Guerrero the match, and turns heel.
-After the match is all said and done, Goldberg shows up and battles it out with Lesnar.
-Goldberg ends up on SmackDown and somehow takes the #1 contenders spot from Angle. (Maybe have a match with Eddie costing Angle the spot, setting up their match.
-Which brings me to: Goldberg vs. Lesnar for the WWE title

;)

[BlackSymbiote]

Originally posted by 3dman27
i visited www.wwe.com this morning and learned that zach gowen[ the wrestler with an artifical leg] has been released from his contract. too bad as taz once said of him for becoming a pro wrestler despite an amputated leg," he has my respect" and mine as well. i know wrestling's just a coordinated stunt show nowadays but i give mr gowan credit for guts trying his hand in a buisness that physical.

Vince brought him in, turn him into a joke, and drop him. Gowen has about the greatest balance I have ever seen. In his two matches in NWA:TNA, he put on an awesome show, even performing an Asai Moonsault and landing on his leg.

How many other wrestlers have done that with two good legs?

I just hope Wrestlemania is good. Last year a group of friends and myself went to Hooters and it was awesome. Best part is, I turn 21 two days before Wrestlemania.

[Keyser Soze]

Some other news I heard recently is that WWE plans to have a third brand extension, and they're going to call it ECW, which they now has the rights to. It would take place on a Saturday night in place of that news show (Confidential?), and would focus on more of the wrestling side of things than the other shows.

That would be awesome! Have Rob Van Dam as the top fave and Rhyno as the main heel, and put Lance Storm in htere as the bad ass heel he used to be.

[BlackSymbiote]

Originally posted by Keyser Kingpin
Some other news I heard recently is that WWE plans to have a third brand extension, and they're going to call it ECW, which they now has the rights to. It would take place on a Saturday night in place of that news show (Confidential?), and would focus on more of the wrestling side of things than the other shows.

That would be awesome! Have Rob Van Dam as the top fave and Rhyno as the main heel, and put Lance Storm in htere as the bad ass heel he used to be.

That would be cool, but don't expect them to put RVD in it. He's too big of a name on RAW to be put in a Saturday Night show.

If they put anyone in that show, it will be all of the wrestlers they don't use, such as Lance Storm and Rhyno. But don't expect them to get any decent gimmicks or anything. Can't have people watch that instead of RAW. Why do you think they originally fired Heyman from Smackdown?

But the WWE focus on wrestling? Don't you mean slow paced five minutes worth of punching?

[Go Web Go!]

I don't think many people would watch that. Saturday night isn't exactly the best time to put on a wrestling show. THAT and people would'nt take it seriously. They'd just see it as another version of Heat or Velocity where jobbers and other rarely used superstars get some airtime...

[3dman27]

i wish the wwe would put on an all diva show just once

more superheriucs less talking heads

[Go Web Go!]

Nobody would watch an all-divas show unless they were getting naked...

[3dman27]

don't be too shre about that none of raws ladies are punching bags

[BlackSymbiote]

No one would watch a Divas show because Vince has succeeded in making women's wrestling nothing but a joke.

In Japan, the women wrestle just as well as the men, and they don't pull any punches. In fact there are one or two thriving all women promotions.

When was the last time you saw a women in the United States wrestle in an exploding barbwire ropes match?

Did you know women in Japan created the Death Valley Driver and the Vertebreaker?

[Savage]

Yeah, I know. Japan beats the hell out of everyone in the wrestling department. But hey, WWE's successful for a reason. They're wrestling "entertainment" not real wrestling...Guess regular people would just be bored by actual wrestling.:confused:

[BlackSymbiote]

Originally posted by Savage
Yeah, I know. Japan beats the hell out of everyone in the wrestling department. But hey, WWE's successful for a reason. They're wrestling "entertainment" not real wrestling...Guess regular people would just be bored by actual wrestling.:confused:

Most fans can't take watching any puroresu because they find it boring, but it's only boring because instead of going from big move to big move, and high spot to high spot, they start out with like five submission holds, and then a bunch of massive kicks, knees, and elbows.

And no one has a "finishing move" as all the wrestlers will perform, and kick out of, that move multiple times.

You have no idea how many times I've watched Keiji Mutoh hit the Shining Wizard in a match before finally getting a pinfall.

I love it.

But then, the WWE has managed to make all wrestlers look like total jokes and not the great athletes they really are, even if they do suck at what they do.

[3dman27]

yes they have to know something about self defense in order to fake it that well [ this is not sarcasm for the record]

[BlackSymbiote]

Oh yeah. I watched a show about a wrestling academy, and I'd die trying to do half the things these guys do.

It looks like it's worse than boot camp.

[Savage]

Yeah, alot of these guys you can see have talent but actually stop at some point in the match to be pushovers for their opponents to look good and win. I mean guys like Holly and Orton and even Kidman should be huge.

[BlackSymbiote]

Well in the WWE, cruiserweights are considered to be close to horse ****. I'm surprised Rey Mysterio was pushed the way he was.

Just look at Spanky. He had that awesome match with Angle... and then started jobbing on Velocity to the WWE's crappy version of a really awesome ECW trio.

But what I really get a kick out of are extremely talented wrestlers in gay gimmicks. Like Rico. He prances, he dances, then he throws a punch with skill and precision. It completely destroys the gimmick.

[Go Web Go!]

Actually, Spanky's no longer with the WWE. He quit a few weeks ago.

[xander46563]

Originally posted by Keyser Kingpin
Well, its sad to say, but I think Vince just hired him for the publicity. When it didn't get all that much, Vince saw Zack as redundant and dropped him. Best thing really, I suppose. No use hanging on to guys you have no use for.

And you're right about hearing that comment about Triple H and HBK reaching a stalemate here. I was the one who said it. I just hope Chris Benoit gets a title reign. It may not be a long one (although I'd like it to be) but it would be good to just be able to put in the record books that Chris Benoit was World champion. If they can give it to Goldberg, surely Benoit deserves a run.

I'm starting to like hte direction Smackdown is headed.

***SMACKDOWN SPOILERS!***


Last chance to look away!


Still reading?


Okay, a match to determine who challenges for the WWE Heavyweight Title has been set for Wrestlemania - Kurt Angle VS John Cena VS Big Show. Add this on to the Eddie Guerrero VS Brock Lesnar match set, and here's what it looks like we're heading to:

No Way Out
- Kurt Angle wins the three-way, earning a shot at the title at Wrestlemania.
- In the main event, aftre a ref bump, Angle comes out and hits the Angle Slam on Guerrero, triggering a heel turn.
- Brock Lesnar will be all set to gain the cheap win, when Goldberg (who has a front row seat at No Way Out thanks to Austin) comes in and hits the Jackhammer.
- The referee wakes up to a level playing field - both men hurt. They start fighting again, and Guerrero wins, becoming champ!
- So Angle VS Guerrero for the title is set for Wrestlemania, with Goldberg set to fight Brock Lesnar in a grudge match.

I think it's obvious that Paul Heyman has been unofficially reassigned as head writer on Smackdown.

Actually Cena is rumored to win the three way and challenge big show for his US title and angle is supposed to have a non title match at wmxx with guerrero
other rumored matches
cruiserweight battle royal
orton and batista vs the rock and foley
goldberg vs lesnar
benoit vs hhh vs shawn michaels
chris jericho vs christian
undertaker vs kane

thats whats been reported as possible matches so far

[Captain America]

Yeah.. I just learned of the triple threat title match.. i'm seriously getting tired of recycled trash. Triple H & HBK had their rivalry.. let's just end it, the only reason they're doing the triple threat is because they think it will benefit their house shows.. has nothing to do with storyline, this just proves how awful the roster split was..

[BlackSymbiote]

Originally posted by Captain America
Yeah.. I just learned of the triple threat title match.. i'm seriously getting tired of recycled trash. Triple H & HBK had their rivalry.. let's just end it, the only reason they're doing the triple threat is because they think it will benefit their house shows.. has nothing to do with storyline, this just proves how awful the roster split was..

The roster split was a good idea. Benoit would not be in this position without the roster split. Eddie Guerrero, and John Cena would not be the superstars they are today without it.

HBK and HHH have taken over RAW, that's true. I'm afraid that Triple Threat match is going to end with either HHH or HBK pinning Benoit.

Originally posted by Go Web Go!
Actually, Spanky's no longer with the WWE. He quit a few weeks ago.

I know. And I am so happy about that because Spanky was being so underused. Jobbing to the WWE's rip off of a popular ECW trio week after week after week.

[Eric Draven]

I actually applaud Spanky for doing that. He knew he was being underused and instead of just sticking around, he just decided to get out of dodge. I just wish more wrestlers would do that, then watch the WWE wake the hell up.

[Go Web Go!]

I'm sure that there are plenty of wrestlers that want to walk out, but the only reason they are'nt is because the WWE is the only major wrestling company around. The WWE is the big time and it's the company everyone looks to join when they're working their way up. Another reason is the possibility of things not working out elsewhere and when they look to get back into the WWE, they're shot down.

[BlackSymbiote]

Originally posted by Go Web Go!
I'm sure that there are plenty of wrestlers that want to walk out, but the only reason they are'nt is because the WWE is the only major wrestling company around. The WWE is the big time and it's the company everyone looks to join when they're working their way up. Another reason is the possibility of things not working out elsewhere and when they look to get back into the WWE, they're shot down.

Again, Vince's ego is too big, and that will lead to the downfall of the WWE. Why do you think Vince is always involved in a televised angle, why Stephanie was the GM of Smackdown, and why Shane got into a fued with Kane?

He's ruining the WWE, and alienating fans. Ratings are dropping, and instead of changing things, pushing new wrestlers, and such, he keeps things the same and attempts "shock TV."

Who remembers HLA and Katie Vick?

[Go Web Go!]

Yeah, I remember those angles, but you can't say Vince has the same ol' wrestlers at the top of the WWE. That may be the case when it comes to a few guys, but in the last few months we've seen Chris Benoit, Eddie Guerrero, Hardcore Holly (Who cares?), Batista, John Cena, and Randy Orton receive a pretty good push to the top.

[BlackSymbiote]

Originally posted by Go Web Go!
Yeah, I remember those angles, but you can't say Vince has the same ol' wrestlers at the top of the WWE. That may be the case when it comes to a few guys, but in the last few months we've seen Chris Benoit, Eddie Guerrero, Hardcore Holly (Who cares?), Batista, John Cena, and Randy Orton receive a pretty good push to the top.

And out of those six that you listed, four are on Smackdown, a show that was given no stars and had to make their own. So I guess you have a point, but I doubt Vince wanted that show to fail because any failure makes the WWE look bad. Either that, or it was all pure Paul Heyman.

I'm thinking it was all Paul.

But I just wish Vince would wake up and see that the reason Smackdown was beating RAW, if not in ratings, then in public opinion, was because Smackdown had all the GOOD wrestlers while RAW was bogged down by all the egos.

[Go Web Go!]

They really need to sort out the rosters. Maybe move guys like Booker T and Rob Van Dam over to SD! where they have a chance to succeed because they're going nowhere on RAW with guys like Triple H holding them back. Also move some cruiserweights like Lance Storm and The Hurricane, maybe even Spike Dudley, along with them.

[Eric Draven]

Or maybe not even move Booker T to Smackdown. I read a suggestion a little while ago that said that Booker T should turn heel and join up with Theodore Long. That would actually help to rejuvenate Booker T a bit and finally bring a number 2 heel into the fold....but of course, that's never gonna happen because Triple H always has to be the dominant heel.

Or maybe they could even bring back the Hardcore division on Raw...that could be the show's equivalent of the Cruiserweight division. :)

[Go Web Go!]

I don't think that would work too well. Look at the other guys managed by Teddy Long (Mark Henry and Rodney Mack.) You don't see them doing much. Like you said, turning Booker heel would'nt get him anywhere because he'd be held back. He's in pretty decent shape as a face and is over with the fans.

As for the Hardcore division: I'd like to see it back, but it isn't likely. Yeah, SD! has the Cruiserweight division, but RAW's equivalent like it or not is the Women's division. Maybe they can bring the Hardcore division back in the future. It would be entertaining, yeah, but it won't be as good as it was when Crash Holly held the belt.

[Eric Draven]

There's a difference between Booker T and Mark Henry/Rodney Mack though. I never though Mark Henry or Mack were very good in the first place. The only reason they were even moderately over was because they were managed by Long IMO. Plus, with a heel Booker T, you could possibly have him feuding with guys like Shawn Michaels or even Chris Benoit. I think that would bring something fresh to the stage. Besides, I kind of liked it when Booker T was a heel back when he was feuding with Austin.

[Go Web Go!]

Yeah, I actually liked that feud with Booker and Austin. Even though Austin mopped the floor with Booker T (remember the fight in the supermarket?) I thought that feud was actually headed somewhere, but nope. It did'nt even lead to a PPV match. Instead here comes the Big Bossman to get between the 2 and before you know it Booker's out of the big picture. Anyway, it does'nt really matter whether Booker's heel or face, on RAW or SmackDown, I just don't want to see the guy go to waste especially now that he's nearing the end of his career.

[Eric Draven]

The guy should've won the title last year at Wrestlemania 19. He had everything going for him then, he was insanely over at the time, mainly in part to his tag team work, he was positioned as the top face.....then of course Triple H had to bring up that whole race thing and just put their feud to ****. That pissed me off the most of any feud that Triple H had last year. Yes, even more than the Katie Vick-Kane feud.

[Go Web Go!]

Booker was scheduled to win that match, but plans were scrapped at the last minute because of Triple H. :mad:

And yeah, the whole Kane/Katie Vick angle was a load of crap. But then again, so has every angle Kane's been involved in other than his feuds with the Undertaker.

[Eric Draven]

His recent unmasking and subsequent feud with RVD was not that bad, but all that was marred by him getting into that long and useless feud with Shane McMahon.

[DarkmanX]

Not much left for kane to do except get beaten by The Undertaker at Wrestlemania XX

[Go Web Go!]

No, his feud with RVD was'nt all that bad, and it looked like he was actually going somewhere after unmasking (I thought his whole look was retarted. Why did they shave his head for no reason? They said that his disfigurement was all in his head. He should grow his hair back out although his current look isn't all that bad. He does look alot meaner.) Anyway, like I said, I thought he was headed back to where he was when he first debuted by attacking everyone that stood in his way or by not being affected by anything his opponents would do to him, but all that went down the drain after Shane McMahon came into the picture. Wasted 2 months on that feud for no apparent reason. :(

[BlackSymbiote]

I hate Austin. He should've retired a long time ago. He can't do crap in the ring. His match with The Rock at WM19 was one of the WORST matches I have ever seen. Austin was just dead weight.

He has zero mic skills. His voice sounds like nails on the chalk board. His gimmick can't do anything but feud with authority, so ALL of his fueds have been a variation on the Austin/McMahon feud.

He makes all the heels look weak because most of them suddenly become cowards and run away. He helped kill the nWo. Scott Hall NEEDED to win that match at Wrestlemania 18, especially if they were going to turn Hogan face. But no, Hall got destroyed.

Austin then killed Booker T's heel heat by beating him the same night he was revealed to be nWo. Plus it made Booker look weak during their feud because Booker kept running away.

[GLfan]

HE'S A HELLUVA LOT BETTER THAN THAT DAMN COACH!!!

[BlackSymbiote]

Originally posted by GLfan
HE'S A HELLUVA LOT BETTER THAN THAT DAMN COACH!!!

I'm more entertained by Coach than Austin. At least Coach is pleasant to listen to.

[Soundwave]

Well, I for one am sick and tired of Triple H calling all the shots so I have decided not to watch anymore. I know that I am just one voice but sooner or later many more fans will start to feel the same way that I do and not watch it either. Only then will Vince truly see the light and get his head out of his a$$ and stop letting these politics run his organization.

Wrestling will always have its die-hard fans no matter what but i refuse to watch Triple H continually ruin what was once a good product.

[Keyser Soze]

Well the fans are finally starting to act out. THe reasoning the powers that be had for inserting Shawn Michaels into hte Wrestlemania main event was that Benoit was not over enough, and they had to have a REAL face like Shawn Michaels in the mix to get some crowd heat.

Well, on Raw last night, just as Chris Benoit was about to sign the contract to fight Triple H at Mania, HBK comes out and Superkicks Benoit, writing his name in Benoit's place. This was supposed to get huge pops for Michaels, being the rebel against authority making his own opportunities, building up his feud with Triple H. But that didn't happen. No, the crowd booed. And not just light boos, Shawn Michaels got the biggest heel heat of the night for what they saw as his cheap tactics. the crowd have turned against him!

The only way this can be saved is by doing this:

- Next week on the "PPV-scale" Raw, Chris Benoit is set to face Shawn Michaels. Eric Bischoff should come out and make it a match to decide who gets the shot a tTriple H at Wrestlemania.
- HBK should play the heel in this match, using low blows etc in his desperation to get a shot at his enemy HHH.
- Benoit just keeps kicking out of everything, so after a ref bump, Michaels gets a chair and hits Benoit with it, completing his heel turn. he starts stomping for Sweet Chin Music.
- Out of nowhere, The Rock runs out and hits The Rock Bottom on Michaels. Benoit wins the match and the shot at Mania.
- Michaels is set to face The Rock at Wrestlemania in a Legend VS Legend match.

With Jericho turning face, HBK could fill the heel void left behind. And think what this could do for Backlash in Edmunton, Alberta Canada. Benoit wins the title at Wrestlemania, and fights a heel HBK at Backlash in his hometown. Benoit is seen as the homecoming hero, while HBK is despised by the Canadian crowd due to the whole Bret Hart screw-job thing. Add on a Chris Jericho VS Triple H match and you have two matches with Candian faces fighting American heels who the home crowd hate anyway.

[Go Web Go!]

I still watch, but I've lost interest. I don't follow it as much as I did a few years back. Basically the only reason I watch now is because The Undertaker's set to return. ;)

[3dman27]

yeah mostly i just watch for hurricane and the divas

more superheroics less talking heads

[The Ghoul]

Originally posted by Keyser Kingpin
The only way this can be saved is by doing this:

- Next week on the "PPV-scale" Raw, Chris Benoit is set to face Shawn Michaels. Eric Bischoff should come out and make it a match to decide who gets the shot a tTriple H at Wrestlemania.
- HBK should play the heel in this match, using low blows etc in his desperation to get a shot at his enemy HHH.
- Benoit just keeps kicking out of everything, so after a ref bump, Michaels gets a chair and hits Benoit with it, completing his heel turn. he starts stomping for Sweet Chin Music.
- Out of nowhere, The Rock runs out and hits The Rock Bottom on Michaels. Benoit wins the match and the shot at Mania.
- Michaels is set to face The Rock at Wrestlemania in a Legend VS Legend match.



This I know won't happen, because The Rock is coming to Wrestlemania XX. To fight against Batista & Randy Ortan, to re-create The Rock & Sock Connection.