Goku vs. Yusuke

[I am Batman]

Who do you think would win in a fight? Goku from the beginning of DBZ or Yusuke Uremeshi from the end of Yu Yu Hakusho?

[Super Saiyan]

Goku.

[storyteller]

well we havent see the end of yu yu hakushu.

[anarchistguy]

Originally posted by I am Batman
Who do you think would win in a fight? Goku from the beginning of DBZ or Yusuke Uremeshi from the end of Yu Yu Hakusho?

You mean Son Goku when his KI was at 334?

[My vengeance]

You mean Son Goku when his KI was at 334?

Son Gokou had a power level of 334 with weighted clothing.Without them,it was 416.Radditz measured it.I'm really not sure about this.The DBZ universe and the Yu Yu Hakusho one are not as similar as it would seem.Often in Yu Yu Hakusho we see special techniques that are really effective still not related with power levels,like in Toguro's case(He didn't use Ki attacks,just raw power,but still,he was a fierce adversary),or Suzukoma's.

[KALEL114]

Goku!

[saiyan jedi]

goku

[jusblaze21]

Kakarot

[Mazrim Taim]

I vote for Goku, hands down.

[Guyverjay]

Yusuke

[1987olds442]

Did anyone read the question? Goku from beginning of DBZ or Yusuke from the end of Yu Yu Hakusho.

That's why I went with Yusuke

And cartoon network is airring newer episodes of Yu Yu Hakusho at 5:30am Saturday mornings.

I know power levels don't translate between shows that well. But the last epsiode of Yu Yu Hakusho I watched this past Saturday morning a relaxed Yusuke's power level was over 200,000.

[Ultra-Herald9]

Yusuke at the end of Yu-Yu Hakusho could wipe the floor with Goku at the beginning of DBZ. Did anyone see what Yusuke did to Sensui and that wasn't even at his peak. That Goku couldn't even fly yet and still had to use the kamehameha wave to propel himself across long distances. Goku was shocked when Raditz destroyed a mountain with an energy blast while Yusuke and Sensui were destroying mountains with the shockwaves of their blows. I think Yusuke by the end Yu-Yu Hakusho had power comparable to Uub at the world tournement except with alot more fighting skill and better energy control.:)

[My vengeance]

Did anyone read the question? Goku from beginning of DBZ or Yusuke from the end of Yu Yu Hakusho.

That's why I went with Yusuke

And cartoon network is airring newer episodes of Yu Yu Hakusho at 5:30am Saturday mornings.

I know power levels don't translate between shows that well. But the last epsiode of Yu Yu Hakusho I watched this past Saturday morning a relaxed Yusuke's power level was over 200,000.

No,it's actually not the equivalent of scouters in the DB universe.Yusuke when he first met Genkai had a power level of 150.He measured it with that special punching machine.If it were the same as in the DB universe,his power would be greater than Master Roshi,who was able to destroy the moon by then.It's really difficult to compare them by that.They also have different fighting methods,so it's hard to tell.There are characters in Yu Yu Hakusho that don't even use Ki,such as Toguro,but that doesn't mean that they're not strong.

[My vengeance]

Yusuke at the end of Yu-Yu Hakusho could wipe the floor with Goku at the beginning of DBZ. Did anyone see what Yusuke did to Sensui and that wasn't even at his peak. That Goku couldn't even fly yet and still had to use the kamehameha wave to propel himself across long distances. Goku was shocked when Raditz destroyed a mountain with an energy blast while Yusuke and Sensui were destroying mountains with the shockwaves of their blows. I think Yusuke by the end Yu-Yu Hakusho had power comparable to Uub at the world tournement except with alot more fighting skill and better energy control.:)

If you say Uub's power with fighting skill and energy control that would mean he's equal to Kid Buu.

I seriously doubt he's that powerful.

Yusuke,at the end of YYH,is somewhere around the power level of the Z Senshi when Vegeta arrives on Earth.

And,not to be nit-picky,but,in all fairness,Gokou did know how to fly at that point.Watch when he rises to see Gohan in the space pod.You only need a minimal amount of Ki concentration to levitate and move yourself.Even Videl could do it.So Gokou probably learned how to fly with minimal effort.

I'm not really much of a fan of cross-over versus threads with a DB character.It'll never end...ever

[goku jr]

well theres noting like an old fasion kamehameha wave

[ster]

Goku could fly at the end of Dragonball. Where do you get that Goku couldn't fly at the beginning of DBZ? He learned how to while living at Kami's lookout after he killed King Piccolo.

[Ultra-Herald9]

But flying used to be very hard for Goku to do because it took alot of ki thats why he usually just jumped really high or used the nimbus cloud. Plus have any of you seen Yusuke at the end of Yu Yu Hakusho cause i'll tell you right now that he would stomp Goku horribly until the Frieza Saga.

[November Rain]

Goku could fly at the end of Dragonball. Where do you get that Goku couldn't fly at the beginning of DBZ? He learned how to while living at Kami's lookout after he killed King Piccolo.i think because he used the flying nimbus to get to raditz with piccollo, some would say he couldn't fly long distances...

plus he hardly used it while on snake's way when he died.

but yep he could fly

[1987olds442]

Plus have any of you seen Yusuke at the end of Yu Yu Hakusho cause I'll tell you right now that he would stomp Goku horribly until the Frieza Saga.
I agree :up:

[kage88]

i guess yusuke.

[ster]

i think because he used the flying nimbus to get to raditz with piccollo, some would say he couldn't fly long distances...

plus he hardly used it while on snake's way when he died.

but yep he could fly
Videl wasn't TOO shabby when it came to flying, and Goku at the beginning of DBZ was leagues ahead of her. Plus he was stronger than Piccolo and Piccolo himself flied to Radditz.

[Ultra-Herald9]

Sadly Goku at the begining of DBZ would have been stomped by Videl. She was a impressive fighter with a power level probably in the low thousands while Goku with his weights removed was only four hundred something.

[My vengeance]

Sadly Goku at the begining of DBZ would have been stomped by Videl. She was a impressive fighter with a power level probably in the low thousands while Goku with his weights removed was only four hundred something.
Please tell me you're joking...:(

[November Rain]

Videl wasn't TOO shabby when it came to flying, and Goku at the beginning of DBZ was leagues ahead of her. Plus he was stronger than Piccolo and Piccolo himself flied to Radditz.knowing how to fly doesn't directly correlate with one's power level...

i believe goten was able to reach ssj level without having the knowledge of flight.

[Hush]

Sadly Goku at the begining of DBZ would have been stomped by Videl. She was a impressive fighter with a power level probably in the low thousands while Goku with his weights removed was only four hundred something.


Are you kidding????

One Ki blast from Goku and videl is done he is so much a superior fighter than her its not even funny. Please Logically what you are saying is bordering on Insane.

By the way My vote would go to Goku but I am not going to argue with Guyver's decision.

Yusuke

[Ultra-Herald9]

Well guys I am a man who can admit when he is wrong and boy was I wrong about that Videl and Goku thing! I just assumed that she was around Chi Chi's range of power but thats what I get for not caring enough about Videl to study her power levels.

But what I don't understand is why people think that Goku at the begining of DBZ could possibly beat Yusuke at the end of YYH. Goku would be annihilated thousands of times over by Yusuke's Sei Kou Ki.

[ster]

knowing how to fly doesn't directly correlate with one's power level...

i believe goten was able to reach ssj level without having the knowledge of flight.
Did you decide to just completely ignore what I quoted you on? You were talking about flying long distance, not about the ability itself. And as for as how far/fast you can go, it does have to do with PL.


I just assumed that she was around Chi Chi's range of power but thats what I get for not caring enough about Videl to study her power levels.

Videl very well may have been as strong as Chi Chi, or close to at least... what's that got to do with anything?

[Ultra-Herald9]

Well in the Garlic Jr. saga Chi Chi was quite the impressive fighter. I think that Chi Chi then could have beat old school Goku but then again Garlic Jr. saga was just a filler saga and filler often contradicts the real continuity.

[hulkamania85]

Goku. Goku can give Superman a good fight, which is no easy task. So Goku could easily take out a lot of people.

[ster]

But Superman can beat Batman, and Batman can beat Goku. Therefore, Superman can beat Goku.

[My vengeance]

But Superman can beat Batman, and Batman can beat Goku. Therefore, Superman can beat Goku.
Batman can beat Supes even without preptime!:mad:

[SSJ4_Mikael]

Yeah all he need's is a green colored stone, and than he can trick Supes to commit suecide.

Oh yeah, he have to claim that the stone is a kryptonite.

[hulkamania85]

But Superman can beat Batman, and Batman can beat Goku. Therefore, Superman can beat Goku.

I said Goku can give him a good fight. I didn't say anything about Goku winning.

[My vengeance]

^ I didn't think anybody was still willing to open up that can of worms...:rolleyes:

[buutenks]

Well if it were goku after batteing nappa then goku,but at the beginning I say yusuke.

[Dark-Kenshin]

Oh man, Yusuke would POUND the living daylights out of Goku. Forget the beginning of dragonballz, I'm talking about SSJ3.

Now you Goku supporters think Goku is all that because he can blow up a planet? Hate to break it to you, but Yusuke can do so much more.

Remember that while Yusuke was fighting Sensui, Sensui told him that he could only use a certain amount of power to fight within the earth. Otherwise, it would be destroyed. He then told Yusuke he was using 10% of his power. So in short, Sensui can blow up a planet by just powering up. Something a dbz character has never done. At the end of YYH, Yusuke is by far superior to Sensui, and could clean his clock with ease.

Need more proof? It was stated than an A class demon's power is enough to end all life on the earth. An S- class demon is at LEAST 100 times stronger. Yusuke is an S+ class demon. Perhaps even higher, after training three years for the last demon tournament. And lets not forget what Genkai said about how easily the world would be destroyed, if he got angry.

All fieats which the Goku at the beginning of Z is not capable of. Not even SSJ3.

It would be a good battle, but I don't see Goku taking down someone like Yusuke. MAYBE Kuwabara, he MIGHT even tie with Hiei(most likely not), but Yusuke is in a league of his own.

Vegitto vs Yusuke is a better matchup.

[buutenks]

Yusuke at the end of Yu-Yu Hakusho could wipe the floor with Goku at the beginning of DBZ. Did anyone see what Yusuke did to Sensui and that wasn't even at his peak. That Goku couldn't even fly yet and still had to use the kamehameha wave to propel himself across long distances. Goku was shocked when Raditz destroyed a mountain with an energy blast while Yusuke and Sensui were destroying mountains with the shockwaves of their blows. I think Yusuke by the end Yu-Yu Hakusho had power comparable to Uub at the world tournement except with alot more fighting skill and better energy control.:)

1. Yusuke doesn't stand a chance against Ubuu

2.I agree that Yusuke will defeat beginning of dragonball Goku but he loses badly to sayan saga Goku,one planet busting kameha and Yusuke is dead.

3.Freeza saga Goku is way faster then Yusuke

4.a ssj is more durable then a planet.

[buutenks]

Oh man, Yusuke would POUND the living daylights out of Goku. Forget the beginning of dragonballz, I'm talking about SSJ3.

Now you Goku supporters think Goku is all that because he can blow up a planet? Hate to break it to you, but Yusuke can do so much more.

Remember that while Yusuke was fighting Sensui, Sensui told him that he could only use a certain amount of power to fight within the earth. Otherwise, it would be destroyed. He then told Yusuke he was using 10% of his power. So in short, Sensui can blow up a planet by just powering up. Something a dbz character has never done. At the end of YYH, Yusuke is by far superior to Sensui, and could clean his clock with ease.

Need more proof? It was stated than an A class demon's power is enough to end all life on the earth. An S- class demon is at LEAST 100 times stronger. Yusuke is an S+ class demon. Perhaps even higher, after training three years for the last demon tournament. And lets not forget what Genkai said about how easily the world would be destroyed, if he got angry.

All fieats which the Goku at the beginning of Z is not capable of. Not even SSJ3.

It would be a good battle, but I don't see Goku taking down someone like Yusuke. MAYBE Kuwabara, he MIGHT even tie with Hiei(most likely not), but Yusuke is in a league of his own.

Vegitto vs Yusuke is a better matchup.

When Yusuke will destroy mountain ranges just by the shockwave of his punches he can hang in a fist fight with a ssj2,now in durability a nuke level or above will kill Yusuke a ssj can survive the explosion of a planet,now a planet busting kameha will kill Yusuke and in speed Freeza saga Goku is above Yusuke.

[Dark-Kenshin]

[Freeza saga Goku is way faster then Yusuke]

PUH-LEASE. Yusuke was hitting the speed of light during his fight with Toguro. Goku can't do that without Instant transmission.

[a ssj is more durable then a planet.]

So is Yusuke. All the blast he took head on from Yomi prove that.

[buutenks]

Oh man, Yusuke would POUND the living daylights out of Goku. Forget the beginning of dragonballz, I'm talking about SSJ3.

Now you Goku supporters think Goku is all that because he can blow up a planet? Hate to break it to you, but Yusuke can do so much more.

Remember that while Yusuke was fighting Sensui, Sensui told him that he could only use a certain amount of power to fight within the earth. Otherwise, it would be destroyed. He then told Yusuke he was using 10% of his power. So in short, Sensui can blow up a planet by just powering up. Something a dbz character has never done. At the end of YYH, Yusuke is by far superior to Sensui, and could clean his clock with ease.

Need more proof? It was stated than an A class demon's power is enough to end all life on the earth. An S- class demon is at LEAST 100 times stronger. Yusuke is an S+ class demon. Perhaps even higher, after training three years for the last demon tournament. And lets not forget what Genkai said about how easily the world would be destroyed, if he got angry.

All fieats which the Goku at the beginning of Z is not capable of. Not even SSJ3.

It would be a good battle, but I don't see Goku taking down someone like Yusuke. MAYBE Kuwabara, he MIGHT even tie with Hiei(most likely not), but Yusuke is in a league of his own.

Vegitto vs Yusuke is a better matchup.

And Yusuke could probably lift at the end of the show up to 100.000.000 tons.

[buutenks]

[Freeza saga Goku is way faster then Yusuke]

PUH-LEASE. Yusuke was hitting the speed of light during his fight with Toguro. Goku can't do that without Instant transmission.

[a ssj is more durable then a planet.]

So is Yusuke. All the blast he took head on from Yomi prove that.

That was in the anime in the manga the IT wasn't stated to be light speed and you have no proof that Yusuke was moving at light speed.

[Dark-Kenshin]

When Yusuke will destroy mountain ranges just by the shockwave of his punches he can hang in a fist fight with a ssj2,now in durability a nuke level or above will kill Yusuke a ssj can survive the explosion of a planet,now a planet busting kameha will kill Yusuke and in speed Freeza saga Goku is above Yusuke.

He was doing more than that during his fight with Sensui and Yomi. Heck, during the saint beast arc, Yusuke's fighting grew so intense, that it effected the ningen(human) dimension, hence saving keiko. Lets not forget all of those tornados that appeared while Yusuke was battling Sensui. As for the planet destruction, it is well stated within canon that S class fighters can easily destroy planets. Yusuke was hit by Yomi's blast, so that is proof that he can resist it.

Now for my speculation: Yusuke is immortal. His demon powers have brought him back to life once already. And he is a phoenix demon. A phoenix always comes back to life. So if Goku managed to kill Yusuke, he would just get back up.

[Dark-Kenshin]

And Yusuke could probably lift at the end of the show up to 100.000.000 tons.

Don't know whether you're trying to be sarcastic or not, but I highly doubt it.

[buutenks]

[Freeza saga Goku is way faster then Yusuke]

PUH-LEASE. Yusuke was hitting the speed of light during his fight with Toguro. Goku can't do that without Instant transmission.

[a ssj is more durable then a planet.]

So is Yusuke. All the blast he took head on from Yomi prove that.

How big was the blast?(I didn't saw the first episode of the fight)

Hey I'm a dbz fan and YYH fan,so to me if Yusuke wins it's no problem if Goku wins it's no problem I'm just going by the feats the charecter did.

[buutenks]

Don't know whether you're trying to be sarcastic or not, but I highly doubt it.

Toguro at 30% lifted the whole ring with easy and that ring weighed up to 100 tons now at 120% he is about 100 times stronger,and Yusuke at the end of the show is about 100 times stronger then 120% Toguro.

[buutenks]

He was doing more than that during his fight with Sensui and Yomi. Heck, during the saint beast arc, Yusuke's fighting grew so intense, that it effected the ningen(human) dimension, hence saving keiko. Lets not forget all of those tornados that appeared while Yusuke was battling Sensui. As for the planet destruction, it is well stated within canon that S class fighters can easily destroy planets. Yusuke was hit by Yomi's blast, so that is proof that he can resist it.

Now for my speculation: Yusuke is immortal. His demon powers have brought him back to life once already. And he is a phoenix demon. A phoenix always comes back to life. So if Goku managed to kill Yusuke, he would just get back up.

Nope Yusuke isn't immortal.

[buutenks]

He was doing more than that during his fight with Sensui and Yomi. Heck, during the saint beast arc, Yusuke's fighting grew so intense, that it effected the ningen(human) dimension, hence saving keiko. Lets not forget all of those tornados that appeared while Yusuke was battling Sensui. As for the planet destruction, it is well stated within canon that S class fighters can easily destroy planets. Yusuke was hit by Yomi's blast, so that is proof that he can resist it.

Now for my speculation: Yusuke is immortal. His demon powers have brought him back to life once already. And he is a phoenix demon. A phoenix always comes back to life. So if Goku managed to kill Yusuke, he would just get back up.

But those are statements not feats,but still they could probably be right or wrong.

[Dark-Kenshin]

That was in the anime in the manga the IT wasn't stated to be light speed and you have no proof that Yusuke was moving at light speed.

Did you not see that part of the fight in which where Yusuke instantly appears behind Toguro, and that his physical body took on the form of light? Or the part in which where he was holding Toguro's arm one second, and was punching his face during the same second.

Regardless of what speed I.T moves at, Goku has to pause, and find where he wants to teleport, in order to do this. He won't get the chance in a fight with Yusuke.

Alas, this reminds me of another argument. At the very beginning of the series, Yusuke used his spirit gun to fire off of a mirror, and hit hiei. How? Because the spirit gun has the properties of light energy? So what's this say? That his spirit gun moves at light speed as well. Keep in mind, this was at the begining of the series. He gets MUCH MUCH faster throughout the series.

[buutenks]

Did you not see that part of the fight in which where Yusuke instantly appears behind Toguro, and that his physical body took on the form of light? Or the part in which where he was holding Toguro's arm one second, and was punching his face during the same second.

Regardless of what speed I.T moves at, Goku has to pause, and find where he wants to teleport, in order to do this. He won't get the chance in a fight with Yusuke.

Alas, this reminds me of another argument. At the very beginning of the series, Yusuke used his spirit gun to fire off of a mirror, and hit hiei. How? Because the spirit gun has the properties of light energy? So what's this say? That his spirit gun moves at light speed as well. Keep in mind, this was at the begining of the series. He gets MUCH MUCH faster throughout the series.

That's not light speed,end of dragonball Goku was moving so fast that he was invisible does that mean he's moving at light speed?

[Dark-Kenshin]

{How big was the blast?(I didn't saw the first episode of the fight)

Hey I'm a dbz fan and YYH fan,so to me if Yusuke wins it's no problem if Goku wins it's no problem I'm just going by the feats the charecter did.}

Does it matter how big the blast was? After all, didn't frieza destroy worlds with finger blast?

{Toguro at 30% lifted the whole ring with easy and that ring weighed up to 100 tons now at 120% he is about 100 times stronger,and Yusuke at the end of the show is about 100 times stronger then 120% Toguro.}

I guess you're right then.

{But those are statements not feats,but still they could probably be right or wrong.}

Well it's true that no character has ever been shown to have destroyed a planet, but I don't recall one instance in which Goku has destroyed a planet either. They didn't do this on YYH, because YYH didn't involve aliens, thus making a perfect excuse to destroy other worlds.

[Dark-Kenshin]

That's not light speed,end of dragonball Goku was moving so fast that he was invisible does that mean he's moving at light speed?

That was barely the speed of sound on that instance. I'm referring to Yusuke's body actually taking on the form of light, and then him swiftly moving.

[buutenks]

{How big was the blast?(I didn't saw the first episode of the fight)

Hey I'm a dbz fan and YYH fan,so to me if Yusuke wins it's no problem if Goku wins it's no problem I'm just going by the feats the charecter did.}

Does it matter how big the blast was? After all, didn't frieza destroy worlds with finger blast?

{Toguro at 30% lifted the whole ring with easy and that ring weighed up to 100 tons now at 120% he is about 100 times stronger,and Yusuke at the end of the show is about 100 times stronger then 120% Toguro.}

I guess you're right then.

{But those are statements not feats,but still they could probably be right or wrong.}

Well it's true that no character has ever been shown to have destroyed a planet, but I don't recall one instance in which Goku has destroyed a planet either. They didn't do this on YYH, because YYH didn't involve aliens, thus making a perfect excuse to destroy other worlds.

How many times do we hear:Goku watch out you're going to destroy the planet?in the Cell saga all of them were afraid that Goku would destroy the whole planet with his kameha.

[buutenks]

it matter how big the blast was? After all, didn't frieza destroy worlds with finger blast?

Nope he didn't,he destroyed them with blasts.

[Dark-Kenshin]

How many times do we hear:Goku watch out you're going to destroy the planet?in the Cell saga all of them were afraid that Goku would destroy the whole planet with his kameha.

After the Sensui arc, Genkai was afraid that Yusuke would destroy the world just by getting angry. Not even a fight, but by merely getting angry.

[Dark-Kenshin]

Nope he didn't,he destroyed them with blasts.

I'm pretty sure I saw a clip in which frieza destroyed a planet with a finger blast.

That blast Goku used against Cell didn't seem that big. Kind of mediocre.

[buutenks]

After the Sensui arc, Genkai was afraid that Yusuke would destroy the world just by getting angry. Not even a fight, but by merely getting angry.

Not really she said that he can kill everyone and no one could stop him,but I got a speed feat when Hiei who is weaker then Yusuke at the end of the show killed 500 A class demons with his sword in less then a second.

[buutenks]

I'm pretty sure I saw a clip in which frieza destroyed a planet with a finger blast.

That blast Goku used against Cell didn't seem that big. Kind of mediocre.

The clips are non-canon and so is filler and Gokus kameha wasn't that big but it was a planet buster.

[Dark-Kenshin]

What show were you watching? Genkai said that if Yusuke became angry enough, he could destroy the planet. I just watched the episode again, and that's what she said.

As for your other statement, you say it's a planet buster, because that is what was stated. According to your argument about what was stated in YuYu Hakusho, how does that count? It was merely stated, and Goku destroying a world has never been illustrated as one of his feats.

Also keep in mind that if we're going to call things hyperboles, and assume such things, what's to stop me from telling you how SSJ3 Goku and Kid Buu(the buu that supposedly will destroy planets without a thought) went all out, yet did no more, except level a few mountains. I didn't see that planet get destroyed. These were arguably the strongest characters in the series(and don't even get me started on Mystic Gohan being the stongest, because I've refuted that in the past), and they couldn't do much to a tiny planet.

On DBZ, characters destroy planets by disrupting the core. And when you think about it, that's not really being powerful enough to destroy a whole world. IMO, the only character that was shown capable without disrupting the core was Kid Buu. All things said, this is a completely different argument, so I won't ramble on too long. However, I will remind you of how Sensui had to hold back his power in order to fight within the human realm. Something a dbz character has never been shown as being strong enough to brag about.

[Dark-Kenshin]

Not really she said that he can kill everyone and no one could stop him,but I got a speed feat when Hiei who is weaker then Yusuke at the end of the show killed 500 A class demons with his sword in less then a second.

I thought he was in there for months, eventually levling up to S class power.

[buutenks]

I thought he was in there for months, eventually levling up to S class power.

He was but in one episode he killed 500 A class demons with his sword in less then a second and then he killed a nother 500 A with his DODF.

[buutenks]

What show were you watching? Genkai said that if Yusuke became angry enough, he could destroy the planet. I just watched the episode again, and that's what she said.

As for your other statement, you say it's a planet buster, because that is what was stated. According to your argument about what was stated in YuYu Hakusho, how does that count? It was merely stated, and Goku destroying a world has never been illustrated as one of his feats.

Also keep in mind that if we're going to call things hyperboles, and assume such things, what's to stop me from telling you how SSJ3 Goku and Kid Buu(the buu that supposedly will destroy planets without a thought) went all out, yet did no more, except level a few mountains. I didn't see that planet get destroyed. These were arguably the strongest characters in the series(and don't even get me started on Mystic Gohan being the stongest, because I've refuted that in the past), and they couldn't do much to a tiny planet.

On DBZ, characters destroy planets by disrupting the core. And when you think about it, that's not really being powerful enough to destroy a whole world. IMO, the only character that was shown capable without disrupting the core was Kid Buu. All things said, this is a completely different argument, so I won't ramble on too long. However, I will remind you of how Sensui had to hold back his power in order to fight within the human realm. Something a dbz character has never been shown as being strong enough to brag about.

1.Mytic Gohan is way above ssj3 Goku,why because Goku stated that he and Vegeta couldn't beat Super Buu(without the others absorbed).
,but lets not argue on this because we won't agree.

2.Kid Buu is not the atrongest,you need to read the manga to know this,in the anime Goku said that he was geting stronger but he said that when Super Buu was transforming in Buff Buu,again lets not argue on this because like I said we won't agree and we will be way offtopic.

3.They don't destroy the planets through the core,when Freeza tried to destroy planet Namek he stated that his blast wasn't strong enough to completely destroy a planet big as Namek,so to destroy planet Namek completely he should have fired his strongest attack.

[Gotenks]

1.Mytic Gohan is way above ssj3 Goku,why because Goku stated that he and Vegeta couldn't beat Super Buu(without the others absorbed).
,but lets not argue on this because we won't agree.

2.Kid Buu is not the atrongest,you need to read the manga to know this,in the anime Goku said that he was geting stronger but he said that when Super Buu was transforming in Buff Buu,again lets not argue on this because like I said we won't agree and we will be way offtopic.

3.They don't destroy the planets through the core,when Freeza tried to destroy planet Namek he stated that his blast wasn't strong enough to completely destroy a planet big as Namek,so to destroy planet Namek completely he should have fired his strongest attack.


How do know that goku or vegeta could not beat super buu without the others absorbed?

[buutenks]

How do know that goku or vegeta could not beat super buu without the others absorbed?

Because Goku stated that they couldn't.

[buutenks]

Did you not see that part of the fight in which where Yusuke instantly appears behind Toguro, and that his physical body took on the form of light? Or the part in which where he was holding Toguro's arm one second, and was punching his face during the same second.

Goku in the Freeza saga outpaced light does that he's moving at ligh speed?And you have no proof that Yusuke was light speed at the end of the show,and now I aks you if he was moving at light speed why did he had trouble with catching a car,or why was a truck as fast as him?The feats that Yusuke did don't put him above ssj1 Goku and do you know why Goku can destroy planets?It's because weaker charecters then him did that.And what you said about Yusuke holding Toguro and hitting him at the same time didn't happen in the fight Yusuke only punched 80% Toguro many many times and that's it and even if it did happen(which it didn't) it's not proof that he's moving at light speed.

[buutenks]

What show were you watching? Genkai said that if Yusuke became angry enough, he could destroy the planet. I just watched the episode again, and that's what she said.

As for your other statement, you say it's a planet buster, because that is what was stated. According to your argument about what was stated in YuYu Hakusho, how does that count? It was merely stated, and Goku destroying a world has never been illustrated as one of his feats.

Also keep in mind that if we're going to call things hyperboles, and assume such things, what's to stop me from telling you how SSJ3 Goku and Kid Buu(the buu that supposedly will destroy planets without a thought) went all out, yet did no more, except level a few mountains. I didn't see that planet get destroyed. These were arguably the strongest characters in the series(and don't even get me started on Mystic Gohan being the stongest, because I've refuted that in the past), and they couldn't do much to a tiny planet.

On DBZ, characters destroy planets by disrupting the core. And when you think about it, that's not really being powerful enough to destroy a whole world. IMO, the only character that was shown capable without disrupting the core was Kid Buu. All things said, this is a completely different argument, so I won't ramble on too long. However, I will remind you of how Sensui had to hold back his power in order to fight within the human realm. Something a dbz character has never been shown as being strong enough to brag about.

Wrong,
1.kid Buu is one of the weakest Buus,Super Buu with Gohan is the strongest.

2.And they don't destroy planets through the core.

3.We know that they don't destroy planets through the core because Piccolo at the beginnig of DBZ destroyed the moon which doesn't have a core.When Ussj Vegeta fired his final flash at Perfect Cell,Trunks and Krillin said:He's going to fire his attack on the surface of the planet?He'll destroy the earth,but Vegeta controled his blast and made it small enough not to destroy the planet.

4.They don't destroy the planet with their ki blasts because they control it or they make it small enough not to destroy the planet but to still have the force in it to destroy planets.

[Gotenks]

Because Goku stated that they couldn't.

Ok no agrument here it was just a question. I will just have to check up on that.

[buutenks]

He was doing more than that during his fight with Sensui and Yomi. Heck, during the saint beast arc, Yusuke's fighting grew so intense, that it effected the ningen(human) dimension, hence saving keiko. Lets not forget all of those tornados that appeared while Yusuke was battling Sensui. As for the planet destruction, it is well stated within canon that S class fighters can easily destroy planets. Yusuke was hit by Yomi's blast, so that is proof that he can resist it.

Um no he wasn't,in the Sensui fight he destroyed mountains with his aura not the shockwaves from his punches and in the Yomi fight there was no mountains destroyed by the shockwave of their punches.

[Dark-Kenshin]

1.Mytic Gohan is way above ssj3 Goku,why because Goku stated that he and Vegeta couldn't beat Super Buu(without the others absorbed).
,but lets not argue on this because we won't agree.

2.Kid Buu is not the atrongest,you need to read the manga to know this,in the anime Goku said that he was geting stronger but he said that when Super Buu was transforming in Buff Buu,again lets not argue on this because like I said we won't agree and we will be way offtopic.

3.They don't destroy the planets through the core,when Freeza tried to destroy planet Namek he stated that his blast wasn't strong enough to completely destroy a planet big as Namek,so to destroy planet Namek completely he should have fired his strongest attack.
Funny, because I could have sworn that you said to only go by feats, and not statements.

Since everyone is already dead seat on their opinion of this fight(thus explaining this thread's inactivity), I'll explain my reasoning here:The spirit bomb used against kid Buu contained the power of Gohan, trunks, goten, piccolo, and every single person on earth. Yet we see Kid Buu successfully pushing that power back at Goku.

Now I've seen counters to this argument before, and these counters are fallacious. So let me go ahead and disprove the counter argument.The counter to this is that the spirit bomb depends on a good push, not raw power. The reason it didn't work against kid buu, is because Goku was worn out, and didn't get a good push.

My response: Goku was worn out during his fight with frieza as well, in which he used the spirit bomb. Frieza was at full strength, and Goku's energy was depleted. But guess what happened? Frieza couldn't push the bomb back. The only answer to this is that it was the raw energy that got him, not a good push. So this would have to mean the same for kid buu.

As for SSJ3 Goku, he was fighting evenly with Buu up until a certain point. Though I still see kid buu as being stronger, SSJ3 Goku was almost on his level. So the SSJ3 boost is far more powerful than the Mystic boost.

As for planet destruction, take a look at this page...
http://www.nfsupreme.com/hostees/dranet/mangas/showimg.php?file=/Dragon%20Ball%20%26%20DBZ%20Manga/volume27/Db27ch07/db27_104.gif (http://www.nfsupreme.com/hostees/dranet/mangas/showimg.php?file=/Dragon%20Ball%20%26%20DBZ%20Manga/volume27/Db27ch07/db27_104.gif)

Goku said that Frieza missed. What did he miss exactly? The planets core.
On the next page, frieza says that the blast made its way to the center. Keep in mind that he said it wasn't strong enough. And just how would it be this difficult to destroy a planet, because didn't frieza destroy planets in his base form?

[Dark-Kenshin]

Goku in the Freeza saga outpaced light does that he's moving at ligh speed?And you have no proof that Yusuke was light speed at the end of the show,and now I aks you if he was moving at light speed why did he had trouble with catching a car,or why was a truck as fast as him?The feats that Yusuke did don't put him above ssj1 Goku and do you know why Goku can destroy planets?It's because weaker charecters then him did that.And what you said about Yusuke holding Toguro and hitting him at the same time didn't happen in the fight Yusuke only punched 80% Toguro many many times and that's it and even if it did happen(which it didn't) it's not proof that he's moving at light speed.

I'm referring to the part in where he gives this big long speech in where he is not going to let 100% Toguro hurt anyone else. Toguro taunts him, and Yusuke instantly punching him across the arena. Probably not proof, but the part in where his body took on the properties of light(and I've never seen Super Saiyan Goku take on this appearance, he may have glowed, and all that energy may have covered him, but not like it was displayed in YYH)(right after Toguro supposedly kills Kuwabara), and the fact that Yusuke's spirit gun hits light speed(refer back to the earlier argument made)(the anime exaggerates the speed of it sometimes to build up tension)(yusuke gets much faster, mind you) may not be what most consider proof(since we are basing everything off of visuals), but it's a solid base.

[Dark-Kenshin]

Um no he wasn't,in the Sensui fight he destroyed mountains with his aura not the shockwaves from his punches and in the Yomi fight there was no mountains destroyed by the shockwave of their punches.

Shouldn't the fact that mountains were destroyed with his aura alone make him even more powerful? As for the Yomi fight, I have not watched that in a while, so I'll take your word for it.

[Jplaya2023]

i dont know what a yusuke is but goku wins easily

goku >>>>>>>>>> any other anime char ever

[Jplaya2023]

Yusuke at the end of Yu-Yu Hakusho could wipe the floor with Goku at the beginning of DBZ. Did anyone see what Yusuke did to Sensui and that wasn't even at his peak. That Goku couldn't even fly yet and still had to use the kamehameha wave to propel himself across long distances. Goku was shocked when Raditz destroyed a mountain with an energy blast while Yusuke and Sensui were destroying mountains with the shockwaves of their blows. I think Yusuke by the end Yu-Yu Hakusho had power comparable to Uub at the world tournement except with alot more fighting skill and better energy control.:)

Goku has techniques he can use to increase his power, plus that guy wont be able to damage goku anyway.

[Gotenks]

Im not trying to attack you ,but how would you know if u dont even know who he is which you said a post earlier?

[Jplaya2023]

Im not trying to attack you ,but how would you know if u dont even know who he is which you said a post earlier?

He's from yuyu hakushu thats all i need to know those guys are underlings of the anime world

[Gotenks]

How dare you say that! It might not be better then Dbz, but it is still a good anime. It is pretty much the same thing accept the demons in YYH and the aliens/androids in DBZ.

[Jplaya2023]

How dare you say that! It might not be better then Dbz, but it is still a good anime. It is pretty much the same thing accept the demons in YYH and the aliens/androids in DBZ.

Come on man i know you a big yuyu fanbut lets spit facts for a second.

Without the fanboyism yuyu hakushu full metal alchemist. Another poorly made anime with no storyline or plot.

[Dark-Kenshin]

In terms of anime, no fanboyism added in, YYH kills dbz. In DBZ, it's the same plot over and over again. In fact, I can give you the basic outline for any season.

1)Episodes 1-4

Bad guy shows up, and starts causing havoc on earth

Episodes 5-9

Good guys take on bad guy(s), and get their butts handed to them.

Episodes 10-15

Good guys eventually realize that they aren't strong enough to beat the bad guy(s)

Episodes 16-26

Good guy(s)--Goku--trains to learn some new technique that will help him defeat the bad guy.

Episode 27

Good guys(except the guy training this new technique) challenge the bad guy, while the bad guy brags about how his power level is higher than the mileage on Al Bundy's dodge

Episode 28-35

The bad guys single handedly beats the tar out of the good guys(whose power levels combined are higher than the national debt)

Episodes 36

Good guy who has been training shows up at the last minute, and this is immediately the signal for all the other good guys to stand on the sidelines, and gawk at the good guy who learned the new technique.

Episode 37

Good guy begins to pummel bad guy into submission, while the good guys on the side lines keep asking and telling each other "HOW DID HE GET SO POWERFUL" " NEVER HAVE I FELT THIS MUCH POWER"

Episode 38

Bad guy brags about this technique or power up(keep in mind, he could have used this earlier to kill the good guy in one blow), and good guy is intrigued. The two spend the whole episode talking, instead of fighting.

Episode 39

Bad guy spends the whole episode screaming, grunting and powering up. While good guy(who knows that he could take down the bad guy right now, before he loses the chance) just watches.

Epidoe 40

Bad guy is suddenly 1 million times stronger, and beats the crap out of the good guy, while the good guys on the sidelines(who seem to be in perfect condition) just watch, and still babble about how much power these guys have.

Episode 41

Good guy's brain starts working, and he has the guys on the side lines serve as distractions, as he power up his technique.

Episode 42.

Good guy is still powering up his technique, while the bad guy doesn't even seem to notice.

Episode 43

Good guy unleashes his attack that could probably give 10 atomic bombs a run for their money, and while seeing a peculiar cloud of smoke, he thinks he has won. But he is shocked, when he sees the smock clear, with the bad guy laughing, while saying something incredibly cheezy like "You've singed my finger nails" or "You made my hand numb."

Episode 44-51

Good guy becomes even more powerful after getting another beating, for no reason whatsoever, and reaches his SUPER DUPER ULTIMATE FORM.

The good guy and bad guy fight, and end in a beam struggle. The good guy wins

Episode 52-56

Aftermath.

Episode 57-61

Next bad guy appears.


Dragonball may rival YYH, but DBZ sure doesn't. The main character always wins, is perfect, and wins all of his fights almost the exact same way.

[Jplaya2023]

YYH is some anime where they fight using cards you cant be serious comparing it to DBZ. Better yet saying its better

[1987olds442]

YYH is some anime where they fight using cards you cant be serious comparing it to DBZ. Better yet saying its betterWrong show that isn't what Yu Yu Hakusho is about...

[buutenks]

Funny, because I could have sworn that you said to only go by feats, and not statements.

Since everyone is already dead seat on their opinion of this fight(thus explaining this thread's inactivity), I'll explain my reasoning here:The spirit bomb used against kid Buu contained the power of Gohan, trunks, goten, piccolo, and every single person on earth. Yet we see Kid Buu successfully pushing that power back at Goku.

Now I've seen counters to this argument before, and these counters are fallacious. So let me go ahead and disprove the counter argument.The counter to this is that the spirit bomb depends on a good push, not raw power. The reason it didn't work against kid buu, is because Goku was worn out, and didn't get a good push.

My response: Goku was worn out during his fight with frieza as well, in which he used the spirit bomb. Frieza was at full strength, and Goku's energy was depleted. But guess what happened? Frieza couldn't push the bomb back. The only answer to this is that it was the raw energy that got him, not a good push. So this would have to mean the same for kid buu.

As for SSJ3 Goku, he was fighting evenly with Buu up until a certain point. Though I still see kid buu as being stronger, SSJ3 Goku was almost on his level. So the SSJ3 boost is far more powerful than the Mystic boost.

As for planet destruction, take a look at this page...
http://www.nfsupreme.com/hostees/dranet/mangas/showimg.php?file=/Dragon%20Ball%20%26%20DBZ%20Manga/volume27/Db27ch07/db27_104.gif (http://www.nfsupreme.com/hostees/dranet/mangas/showimg.php?file=/Dragon%20Ball%20%26%20DBZ%20Manga/volume27/Db27ch07/db27_104.gif)

Goku said that Frieza missed. What did he miss exactly? The planets core.
On the next page, frieza says that the blast made its way to the center. Keep in mind that he said it wasn't strong enough. And just how would it be this difficult to destroy a planet, because didn't frieza destroy planets in his base form?

1.Planet Namek is much much biger then earth.

2.Freeza wanted to fight Goku that's why he didn't completely destroy planet Namek and because he didn't put enough ki into the blast.

3.We don't really know what Goku meant by that.

4.They don't destroy planets through the core.And if you read the whole part with Freeza destroying planet Namek you would see that he said:"You're still alive because I didn't destroy the planet in a single hit but I reached it's center and in five minutes...."
And when ssj Goku was fighting 100% Freeza,Goku said:"You didn't destroy this planet in a single hit because you wanted to fight me."
And Freeza didn't destroy planet Namek because he didn't put enough power in the blast but it still had enough power to reach the core.

And here: http://www.nfsupreme.com/hostees/dranet/mangas/showimg.php?file=/Dragon%20Ball%20%26%20DBZ%20Manga/volume28/Db28ch04/2864.gif

They can completely destroy planets big as earth in a single blast.

Freeza and every charecter stronger then him can completely destroy planets.

I don't really care if the YYH are a match or if they can defeat the z-fighters but saying that the dbz charecters can't destroy planets only through the core is stupid.

[buutenks]

In terms of anime, no fanboyism added in, YYH kills dbz. In DBZ, it's the same plot over and over again. In fact, I can give you the basic outline for any season.

1)Episodes 1-4

Bad guy shows up, and starts causing havoc on earth

Episodes 5-9

Good guys take on bad guy(s), and get their butts handed to them.

Episodes 10-15

Good guys eventually realize that they aren't strong enough to beat the bad guy(s)

Episodes 16-26

Good guy(s)--Goku--trains to learn some new technique that will help him defeat the bad guy.

Episode 27

Good guys(except the guy training this new technique) challenge the bad guy, while the bad guy brags about how his power level is higher than the mileage on Al Bundy's dodge

Episode 28-35

The bad guys single handedly beats the tar out of the good guys(whose power levels combined are higher than the national debt)

Episodes 36

Good guy who has been training shows up at the last minute, and this is immediately the signal for all the other good guys to stand on the sidelines, and gawk at the good guy who learned the new technique.

Episode 37

Good guy begins to pummel bad guy into submission, while the good guys on the side lines keep asking and telling each other "HOW DID HE GET SO POWERFUL" " NEVER HAVE I FELT THIS MUCH POWER"

Episode 38

Bad guy brags about this technique or power up(keep in mind, he could have used this earlier to kill the good guy in one blow), and good guy is intrigued. The two spend the whole episode talking, instead of fighting.

Episode 39

Bad guy spends the whole episode screaming, grunting and powering up. While good guy(who knows that he could take down the bad guy right now, before he loses the chance) just watches.

Epidoe 40

Bad guy is suddenly 1 million times stronger, and beats the crap out of the good guy, while the good guys on the sidelines(who seem to be in perfect condition) just watch, and still babble about how much power these guys have.

Episode 41

Good guy's brain starts working, and he has the guys on the side lines serve as distractions, as he power up his technique.

Episode 42.

Good guy is still powering up his technique, while the bad guy doesn't even seem to notice.

Episode 43

Good guy unleashes his attack that could probably give 10 atomic bombs a run for their money, and while seeing a peculiar cloud of smoke, he thinks he has won. But he is shocked, when he sees the smock clear, with the bad guy laughing, while saying something incredibly cheezy like "You've singed my finger nails" or "You made my hand numb."

Episode 44-51

Good guy becomes even more powerful after getting another beating, for no reason whatsoever, and reaches his SUPER DUPER ULTIMATE FORM.

The good guy and bad guy fight, and end in a beam struggle. The good guy wins

Episode 52-56

Aftermath.

Episode 57-61

Next bad guy appears.


Dragonball may rival YYH, but DBZ sure doesn't. The main character always wins, is perfect, and wins all of his fights almost the exact same way.

What those episodes are full of filler,you should read the manga it's much more different.

[buutenks]

Funny, because I could have sworn that you said to only go by feats, and not statements.

Since everyone is already dead seat on their opinion of this fight(thus explaining this thread's inactivity), I'll explain my reasoning here:The spirit bomb used against kid Buu contained the power of Gohan, trunks, goten, piccolo, and every single person on earth. Yet we see Kid Buu successfully pushing that power back at Goku.

Now I've seen counters to this argument before, and these counters are fallacious. So let me go ahead and disprove the counter argument.The counter to this is that the spirit bomb depends on a good push, not raw power. The reason it didn't work against kid buu, is because Goku was worn out, and didn't get a good push.

My response: Goku was worn out during his fight with frieza as well, in which he used the spirit bomb. Frieza was at full strength, and Goku's energy was depleted. But guess what happened? Frieza couldn't push the bomb back. The only answer to this is that it was the raw energy that got him, not a good push. So this would have to mean the same for kid buu.

As for SSJ3 Goku, he was fighting evenly with Buu up until a certain point. Though I still see kid buu as being stronger, SSJ3 Goku was almost on his level. So the SSJ3 boost is far more powerful than the Mystic boost.

So you're ignoring what Goku stated,fine I don't care.

[buutenks]

Goku said that Frieza missed. What did he miss exactly? The planets core.

Um Freeza did hit the planets core,and he stated that "Goku is still alive because he didn't destroy planet Namek in one hit" and Goku then stated that Freeza didn't destroy the planet in a single hit because he wanted to fight Goku and when Ussj Vegeta fired his Final Flash at Perfect Cell Trunks and Krillin stated:He's going to fire on the surface of the planet,he'll destroy the earth,or something like that.

[Warhammer]

Wow, This is some good stuff.

:cool:

[Dark-Kenshin]

1.Planet Namek is much much biger then earth.

2.Freeza wanted to fight Goku that's why he didn't completely destroy planet Namek and because he didn't put enough ki into the blast.

3.We don't really know what Goku meant by that.

4.They don't destroy planets through the core.And if you read the whole part with Freeza destroying planet Namek you would see that he said:"You're still alive because I didn't destroy the planet in a single hit but I reached it's center and in five minutes...."
And when ssj Goku was fighting 100% Freeza,Goku said:"You didn't destroy this planet in a single hit because you wanted to fight me."
And Freeza didn't destroy planet Namek because he didn't put enough power in the blast but it still had enough power to reach the core.

And here: http://www.nfsupreme.com/hostees/dranet/mangas/showimg.php?file=/Dragon%20Ball%20%26%20DBZ%20Manga/volume28/Db28ch04/2864.gif

They can completely destroy planets big as earth in a single blast.

Freeza and every charecter stronger then him can completely destroy planets.

I don't really care if the YYH are a match or if they can defeat the z-fighters but saying that the dbz charecters can't destroy planets only through the core is stupid.

1. Proof? I agree that it was bigger, but not much much bigger.

2. Frieza wanted Goku destroyed, because he didn't have enough power to take him down. He was hoping that the combination of the planets destruction and zero oxygen in space would be enough to kill him. This wasn't a matter of wanting to fight, but a matter of keeping his position as the most powerful being in the universe(funny how just about every dbz villain gets this title).

3. What else could he have meant.

4. Clearly, he missed his chance at a single hit. Regardless, Frieza 1st forms fighting power was 530,000(as stated by toriyama), and his final forms' power was 12,000,000. Frieza was destroying planets with his finger in that first form. Regardless of the size of a planet, in that power ration, he should have been able to destroy the planet namek with ease, if what is said is true.

And just where did SSJ3 Goku say that? For that matter, did Frieza agree?

As for that other link, I can say that I could more than easily kill a man with one jab. Now does this info tell you how long it took the man to die or where I landed the jab? No. Same thing applies here. You're just speculating.

[Dark-Kenshin]

So you're ignoring what Goku stated,fine I don't care.But did you not ignore the info given on planet destruction from Koenma, Genkai, and Sensui?

[Dark-Kenshin]

Um Freeza did hit the planets core,and he stated that "Goku is still alive because he didn't destroy planet Namek in one hit" and Goku then stated that Freeza didn't destroy the planet in a single hit because he wanted to fight Goku and when Ussj Vegeta fired his Final Flash at Perfect Cell Trunks and Krillin stated:He's going to fire on the surface of the planet,he'll destroy the earth,or something like that.I don't recall them saying that he'd destroy the earth. Maybe that part about surface, but I don't remember the rest. Plus, how could he, if he was firing forward to cell, and not downward to him?

[buutenks]

But did you not ignore the info given on planet destruction from Koenma, Genkai, and Sensui?

Hey I'm sorry ok they can destroy planets.

[buutenks]

I don't recall them saying that he'd destroy the earth. Maybe that part about surface, but I don't remember the rest. Plus, how could he, if he was firing forward to cell, and not downward to him?

Here: http://www.nfsupreme.com/hostees/dranet/mangas/showimg.php?file=/Dragon%20Ball%20%26%20DBZ%20Manga/volume32/Db32ch11/321108.gif

http://www.nfsupreme.com/hostees/dranet/mangas/showimg.php?file=/Dragon%20Ball%20%26%20DBZ%20Manga/volume32/Db32ch11/321109.gif

http://www.nfsupreme.com/hostees/dranet/mangas/showimg.php?file=/Dragon%20Ball%20%26%20DBZ%20Manga/volume32/Db32ch11/321110.gif

http://www.nfsupreme.com/hostees/dranet/mangas/showimg.php?file=/Dragon%20Ball%20%26%20DBZ%20Manga/volume32/Db32ch11/321112.gif


http://www.nfsupreme.com/hostees/dranet/mangas/showimg.php?file=/Dragon%20Ball%20%26%20DBZ%20Manga/volume32/Db32ch11/321113.gif

[Dark-Kenshin]

Here: http://www.nfsupreme.com/hostees/dranet/mangas/showimg.php?file=/Dragon%20Ball%20%26%20DBZ%20Manga/volume32/Db32ch11/321108.gif

http://www.nfsupreme.com/hostees/dranet/mangas/showimg.php?file=/Dragon%20Ball%20%26%20DBZ%20Manga/volume32/Db32ch11/321109.gif

http://www.nfsupreme.com/hostees/dranet/mangas/showimg.php?file=/Dragon%20Ball%20%26%20DBZ%20Manga/volume32/Db32ch11/321110.gif

http://www.nfsupreme.com/hostees/dranet/mangas/showimg.php?file=/Dragon%20Ball%20%26%20DBZ%20Manga/volume32/Db32ch11/321112.gif


http://www.nfsupreme.com/hostees/dranet/mangas/showimg.php?file=/Dragon%20Ball%20%26%20DBZ%20Manga/volume32/Db32ch11/321113.gif

Very good. Alright, I agree that they are strong enough to destroy planets the traditional way, by then anyway. I mean, Goku was given a similar warning, when he used his warp kamehameha against Cell. But I still doubt that they could do it without disrupting the core any time before this.

[buutenks]

Very good. Alright, I agree that they are strong enough to destroy planets the traditional way, by then anyway. I mean, Goku was given a similar warning, when he used his warp kamehameha against Cell. But I still doubt that they could do it without disrupting the core any time before this.

Well not really,Piccolo did destroy the moon and it doesn't have a core.

[Dark-Kenshin]

Roshi destroyed the moon too. Basically, he hit the center, and the rest just blew apart.

Piccolo is a weird character. I mean, wasn't he impressed that Raditz destroyed a mountain?

[buutenks]

Roshi destroyed the moon too. Basically, he hit the center, and the rest just blew apart.

Piccolo is a weird character. I mean, wasn't he impressed that Raditz destroyed a mountain?

Yeah but he destroyed the moon which doesn't have a core so it means that he has a moon busting kameha.

[Sabretooth]

Goku. Yusuke,and in fact most of the characters from Yu Yu Hakusho,seem to only win out of luck.

[Gotenks]

ok anyways like i said you calling the anime a card anime tells me u know nothing about it. I like YYh but i like DBZ more but honestly YYH has a better story. In YYH there are fights after fights in dbz the are maybe 5 episodes in a row with just talking.

Im no fanboy.

[buutenks]

Very good. Alright, I agree that they are strong enough to destroy planets the traditional way, by then anyway. I mean, Goku was given a similar warning, when he used his warp kamehameha against Cell. But I still doubt that they could do it without disrupting the core any time before this.

No Freeza could destroy a planet completely in a single blast,he stated that he could and he stated that he could completely destroy planet earth in a single blast,so I think he can destroy planets completely,what happen to Namek,well that was because he didn't put enough energy into the blast.

[Dark-Kenshin]

No Freeza could destroy a planet completely in a single blast,he stated that he could and he stated that he could completely destroy planet earth in a single blast,so I think he can destroy planets completely,what happen to Namek,well that was because he didn't put enough energy into the blast.

He destroyed Namek with a single blast as well. Sure, it took five minutes, but he did it. So King Cold's statement is only up for speculation. And he if he can't match up to what energy Frieza in form one can do(destroyibng planets in a finger blast) by holding back power, I highly doubt he means what you're talking about.

[Dark-Kenshin]

Yeah but he destroyed the moon which doesn't have a core so it means that he has a moon busting kameha.

Actually, the moon does have a core. Take a look at this web site:

http://www.spacedaily.com/news/water-99l.html

[buutenks]

He destroyed Namek with a single blast as well. Sure, it took five minutes, but he did it. So King Cold's statement is only up for speculation. And he if he can't match up to what energy Frieza in form one can do(destroyibng planets in a finger blast) by holding back power, I highly doubt he means what you're talking about.

Not really,when Freeza camed,Krillin and all the others said that Freeza is coming and a nother one even stronger.

[buutenks]

He destroyed Namek with a single blast as well. Sure, it took five minutes, but he did it. So King Cold's statement is only up for speculation. And he if he can't match up to what energy Frieza in form one can do(destroyibng planets in a finger blast) by holding back power, I highly doubt he means what you're talking about.

Freeza can destroy planet completely in a single blast,he stated that in the Freeza saga too.

[Dark-Kenshin]

Not really,when Freeza camed,Krillin and all the others said that Freeza is coming and a nother one even stronger.

How does this disprove what I said?

[Dark-Kenshin]

Freeza can destroy planet completely in a single blast,he stated that in the Freeza saga too.

He didn't say completely. He just said in a single blast, leaving everything else up to speculation.

[buutenks]

Did you not see that part of the fight in which where Yusuke instantly appears behind Toguro, and that his physical body took on the form of light? Or the part in which where he was holding Toguro's arm one second, and was punching his face during the same second.

That was Yusukes aura.

[Dark-Kenshin]

No, because the other times his aura was shown, his actual body didn't fade as well. This time, it did.

[buutenks]

Actually, the moon does have a core. Take a look at this web site:

http://www.spacedaily.com/news/water-99l.html

Yes it has but if you fire a ki blast at the core it wont make it explode,Piccolo has a moon busting blast and that's it.I showed you statements made by Freeza and Goku that shows that Freeza can destroy planets completely but you still don't belive that he can,do you hate dbz or what?

[buutenks]

No, because the other times his aura was shown, his actual body didn't fade as well. This time, it did.

He had an aura and Yusuke appeared behind 100% Toguro with a big aura on him and punched him.

[buutenks]

Now about the fight,ssj2 Goku wins he can destroy solar systems and was destroying mountain ranges with the shockwave of his punches.And no charecter from YYH weaker then Yusuke survived the explosion of a planet,so Yusuke can't survive,because atleast a charecter from the show must survive a explosion of a planet to say that a stronger charecter can survive.

[1987olds442]

But isn't this fight between Goku at the very begining of DBZ before Goku could go ssj and the most powerful Full Demon form of Yusuke?

[buutenks]

But isn't this fight between Goku at the very begining of DBZ before Goku could go ssj and the most powerful Full Demon form of Yusuke?

No because then Demon Yusuke kills him.

[1987olds442]

But that is what this topic is about Goku at the begining of DBZ vs. Yusuke at the end of Yu Yu Hakusho.

[Warhammer]

Non-stop Arguing!

:o :confused: :( :down

[1987olds442]

I think that most of the arguing is from that most didn't bother to read the topic.

[buutenks]

And ssj Goku is faster then Yusuke,here:http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/3387/db231021vn.gif

http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/7425/db231032mh.gif

http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/6180/db231042ou.gif

http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/9938/db231057pv.gif

Vegeta and the others could sense ginyu's ki and they were in those ships that were moving atleast with the speed of light,but Vegeta after he got stronger,faster and could sense better he couldn't sense final form Freeza moving and couldn't sense his attacks,so that proves that the z-fighters can sense ships that fly at light speed or above and it shows that Freeza in his final forma can move FTL. And the z-fighters couldn't sense Perfect Cell and ssj1 Goku moving,so that shows that they were moving FTL.

And about the part with Piccolo not being able to catch ssj Gotenks,well we don't know how much time it took ssj Gotenks to go around the planet and he took a nap so he probably had a low ki when he took that nap,so that's why Piccolo could find him and the z-fighters move to small places FTL,when Perfect Cell was fighting Goku they were moving to small places very fast that's why Piccolo,Vegeta,Trunks,Krillin,Tien and Yamch couldn't sense them but if they would fly I bet that Piccolo,Vegeta,Trunks,Yamcha,Krillin and Tien could have sensed them.So the z-fighters move to small places FTL,but if they fly to long distances they fly slower.And Vegeta,Piccolo etc could sense Freeza's ship that was hedding to earth and that ship was flying faster then light,but they could sense Perfect Cell and ssj Goku even though they had very big kis.

And I got another speed feat,when Raditz traveled in one or two seconds 4880 km.

And for the Raditz speed:http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/7781/reschap197i86qs.jpg

http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/688/reschap197i93lc.jpg

http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/20/reschap197i105ud.jpg

Okay it wasn't one or two seconds,more like 10 but still that's very fast.

[1987olds442]

Again this topic is about Goku at the begining of DBZ vs. Yusuke at the end of Yu Yu Hakusho.

[ghostrider4ever]

Goku.

[Warhammer]

How did this get into speed of Yusuke and Goku?

:p

[SsM]

Goku at the beginning of dbz vs Yusuke at the end of YYH = Yusuke

Goku at the end of DBZ vs Yusuke at the end of YYH = Goku hands down

[ghostrider4ever]

How did this get into speed of Yusuke and Goku?

:p

Yes, finally something else than superman. You superman fanboys need to take this to the superman forum.

[Jplaya2023]

Goku at the beginning of dbz vs Yusuke at the end of YYH = Yusuke


Nope goku wins regardless it doesnt matter what stage he fights in.

[Legend-X]

goku would rape him

proof?


Raditz moved faster than the speed of light when he dodged piccolos special beam cannon


vegeta at the beginning of the series could destroy a planet with a single galick gun which he did before reaching earth and jackie chun could destroy the moon in db so goku at the end of db would beat yusuke


the reason frieza didnt destroy the planet automatically is because he wanted the dragonballs so he couldnt blow up the planet or they would be gone he thought he could kill goku and the other z warriors then find the z balls again and escape namek

cell didnt have time he was an idiot

buu did blow up the planet

the heroes when they do their attacks they dont want to hurt anyone on earth so they dont create the array to blow up the planet

yusuke cant blow up a planet cuz all weve seen is yusukes spirit gun destroy a mountain and pierce some bodies when they say a-s class demons can destroy planets they mean as a group not as one




and if anyone disagrees just know that theres no way yusuke has a power level over second form friezas 1,000,000 whcih goku surpassed easily

i know when yusuke fought sensui he was tearing him up, and practically flying,but dbz characters would easily block all those attacks becuz they can push back blasts thats capable of destroying a universe


and dbz characters can destroy universes cuz broly destroyed universes easily(refer to Broly The Legendary Super Saiyan for exact words)(its not that canon but it works)



dbz>any other anime

[Warhammer]

It got bumped? :dry:

Well, Goku wins, easily.

[Legend-X]

oh i didnt know im new here but yeah like i said goku wins without breaking a sweat

[Warhammer]

Oh, no problem.

The Anime forum is dead, anyway.
It's just that alot of new arguments will start over this, but in a way, it's a good thing.

Welcome to the Hype. :up: :)

[Legend-X]

lol ok thnx for the tip

[Ultra-Herald9]

goku would rape him

proof?


Raditz moved faster than the speed of light when he dodged piccolos special beam cannon

that was a stupid line said by picollo in the early american dub of Dragon Ball z. Picollo said nothing near this in the original manga or the Japanese dub or even the newer american dub. It is non canon.


vegeta at the beginning of the series could destroy a planet with a single galick gun which he did before reaching earth and jackie chun could destroy the moon in db so goku at the end of db would beat yusuke



the reason frieza didnt destroy the planet automatically is because he wanted the dragonballs so he couldnt blow up the planet or they would be gone he thought he could kill goku and the other z warriors then find the z balls again and escape namek
The Dragon Balls were dead at the time and Freiza wanted revenge. So your point doesn't make alot of sense.

cell didnt have time he was an idiot

for what? Time for what?

buu did blow up the planet


the heroes when they do their attacks they dont want to hurt anyone on earth so they dont create the array to blow up the planet

of course! Whats your point?

yusuke cant blow up a planet cuz all weve seen is yusukes spirit gun destroy a mountain and pierce some bodies when they say a-s class demons can destroy planets they mean as a group not as one

Now YOU are just speculating! You are just trying to go into fanboy mode and do anything you can to disprove what was said. How do we know one S class demon can't do it on there own?



and if anyone disagrees just know that theres no way yusuke has a power level over second form friezas 1,000,000 whcih goku surpassed easily

Why is everyone drifting of? Of course Yuske loses to anyone after the begining of the freeza saga and probably most of the saiyan saga. But I think Yusuke would demolish Goku at the begining of DBZ.

i know when yusuke fought sensui he was tearing him up, and practically flying,but dbz characters would easily block all those attacks becuz they can push back blasts thats capable of destroying a universe

WHAT? Are you dumb or just an extreme fanboy????? Do you know how big a universe is.....where do you get this crap from? Nowhere was it stated in the original Manga that a single character could destroy anything more than a solar system! And I hate to say it but.......Cell could have been lying. But I'll give him the benefit of the doubt but considering that Gohans even more powerful Kamehameha barely dented the earth I sometimes think Cell was just being cocky.


and dbz characters can destroy universes cuz broly destroyed universes easily(refer to Broly The Legendary Super Saiyan for exact words)(its not that canon but it works)

You do know the diference between a Galaxy and a universe right? You must be aware of how dumb you sound right? Please tell me you are joking. And even so Broly ISN'T CANON!!!!!!!!!!!!!:cmad: :cmad: :cmad: :cmad: :cmad: :cmad:



dbz>any other anime thats your opinion.

I just want to see a smart fanboy with reasoning. Seriously. Why is it that DBZ Fanboys seem so.....nevermind. But then again there are people like Gotenks but I hardly consider him a fanboy.

[Legend-X]

a yyh fanboy i see wats up with you people and this canon crap

dragon balls dont die they get scattered so they were still there

forget the cell part that was from another thread

that heroes part was too

dude yusuke cant because his power only was able to obliterate a mountain


a galaxy,solar system,universe... whatever man its still mass destruction that they can do

you sound stupider than me it seems like youre getting mad over a little debate

poor guy you must be

broly may not be canon but still toriyama was trying to explain this"non canon" characters power


i copied this from another thread site that i was debating on thats why some things didnt relate to the topic

still what im saying is true

[Sloth7d]

Sadly Goku at the begining of DBZ would have been stomped by Videl. She was a impressive fighter with a power level probably in the low thousands while Goku with his weights removed was only four hundred something.
Videl would be lucky if she could defeat Yamcha from the beggining of DB. Goku in any stage is way too much for her. And I don't remember her powerlevel ever being recorded.
But on another note I say Goku takes this.
Blowing up the moon>blowing a giant crater into a floating island(which was created by Yuskes spirit gun at his maximum power).

[King Yakumo]

yusuke at the end of the show would be frezia saga lvl.
yusuke wins..

[Sloth7d]

yusuke at the end of the show would be frezia saga lvl.
yusuke wins..
No he wouldn't. Not even close. Wheres your basis for this?

[Legend-X]

sloth7d

explains it

Goku by saiyan saga would wipe the floor with Demon Yusuke

[King Yakumo]

ok, jplaya wannabe:whatever:

[Ultra-Herald9]

Yusuke by the end of YYH toasts freaking Goku.

[Legend-X]

not even a chance



wheres your support for this?

YYH FANBOY:whatever:

[Ultra-Herald9]

oh maybe because Yusuke at the end of YYH was pushing out energy half the size of a small land mass withought even trying. Seriously I'm tired of this whole Master Roshi destroyed the moon so Goku wins crap. Obviously the moon in the DBZ universe is considerably smaller than in real life.


I mean wohoo Goku can desrtoy a freakin moon if he puts enough power into his kamehameha.......I'd like to see Goku tries cause by the time Goku tries to charge up he'd be spirit gunned in the face 3 times by Yusuke.

[Legend-X]

its not crap because evidently master roshi did it and you dont know that the moon is smaller



ouch that really hurts goku lol
goku would take the hit,deflect it, or teleport so whatever man

a spirit gun is about a regular ki blast from saiyan saga vegeta
dude you make no point

[Ultra-Herald9]

^ are you dumb or something? This is Yusuke at the end of YYH vs Goku in the begining of DBZ. BEGINING!!!! I'm not saying Yusuke would win against any other Goku GEEZ!


And a blast from Saiyan Saga Vegeta would wreck Goku at the begining of DBZ so you just proved MY point.:dry:

[Crimson_L]

I agree with Ultra-Herald9, Yusuke from the end would beat Goku from the begining.

[Legend-X]

when it said beginning i thought it meant saiyan saga

oh oops
well if it means before vegeta came then yusuke still loses

no im not dumb im just trying to understand what they mean by beginning but now i know

[xwolverine2]

goku is stronger than jesus + god

[Legend-X]

he aint that strong

[Warhammer]

he aint that strong

:whatever: