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ohwattagosiam

11-30-2003, 09:37 AM

I don't know. Hasn't Supes only got the Hulks base strength since Crisis? I think Supes would have to take him out real quick, otherwise the Hulk would get PO'ed and eventually get so strong/invulnerable that whatever Supes threw at him wouldn't make a blind bit of diffference. Also, the Hulk doesn't think about the consequences of his own actions, allowing for the him to use the following action since he won't care about buildings calapsing and such:

Hulk doesn't need to punch him, he could just use that freaking (sonic?!?) hand clap and WHAM! Supe's out for the count, baby :D At the very least he's incapacitated which would allow Hulk time to grab Supes and pound him into the next millenium.

Chew, and discuss.

Union Jack

11-30-2003, 12:12 PM

I'd say a fully miffed hulk would beat supes,if you look at the dc vs marvel book supes beats the professer hulk not the angry hulk and says that it was difficult so a fully enraged hulk would tear him a new one!!
Hulk wins.

Lobo

12-01-2003, 12:13 PM

This guy:supes:

Omega Red

12-01-2003, 01:13 PM

Well it depends on which Hulk is it. If its Mr Fixit Supes is dont for. Or if its the smart hulk then Supes is still done for. If its the "Hulk Smash one then and only then will supes but The Hulk.

Hulk is the strongest hero ALIVE.

Marvin

12-01-2003, 01:55 PM

It doesn't allways come done to who can bench press the most...eventhough that would be close.

it also comes down to things like gee I don't know, Hulk can't see him. heat vision to the retina. thousands of punches to the face and rib cage by someone about as strong as you are and never gets tired(all in one second) but you see the fight goes on longer than one second doesn't it.

Super scream into the eardrum.

heat vision assult from an unreachable altitude.

freeze breath to the heart and brain to slow him down.

come on.

in all fairness though, he, for some reason couldn't do that to doomsday.

the real fight is indeed between Doomsday and Hulk.

narsal

12-15-2003, 07:59 AM

Superman even weakened after the Crisis books is many times more powerful than ANY marvel character he is the first superhero all others are named after him

Morg

12-15-2003, 08:05 AM

:supes:

Guyverjay

12-15-2003, 08:16 AM

Originally posted by narsal
Superman even weakened after the Crisis books is many times more powerful than ANY marvel character he is the first superhero all others are named after him

:rolleyes:

go back to sleep

Isildur´s Heir

12-15-2003, 09:33 AM

As strenght alone goes, Hulk would win

But, Superman as too many diferent powers to begin with

It would not be easy, he might fall, but, in the end, Superman wins

Isildur´s Heir

12-15-2003, 09:37 AM

Originally posted by Marvin
It doesn't allways come done to who can bench press the most...eventhough that would be close.

it also comes down to things like gee I don't know, Hulk can't see him. heat vision to the retina. thousands of punches to the face and rib cage by someone about as strong as you are and never gets tired(all in one second) but you see the fight goes on longer than one second doesn't it.

Super scream into the eardrum.

heat vision assult from an unreachable altitude.

freeze breath to the heart and brain to slow him down.

come on.

in all fairness though, he, for some reason couldn't do that to doomsday.

the real fight is indeed between Doomsday and Hulk.

You make it look easy...Superman beats everyone easily.....you wished

Doomsday killed Superman, and all of a sudden...he is a easy foe?
Yes, because you said that the real fight is Doomsday Vs Hulk, and if you say that Hulk falls....easily....so, does Doomsday

SUPERMAN IS NOT A GOD!!!!

And......Super Scream.....WTF is that?????
Pre-Crisis is over since ´85

Guyverjay

12-15-2003, 09:51 AM

Originally posted by Marvin
It doesn't allways come done to who can bench press the most...eventhough that would be close.

MNaybe so but Hulk is stronger

it also comes down to things like gee I don't know, Hulk can't see him. heat vision to the retina. thousands of punches to the face and rib cage by someone about as strong as you are and never gets tired(all in one second) but you see the fight goes on longer than one second doesn't it.

Superman DOES tire so I don't where you get that from. The only valid argument you've got is the super speed. Btw hulk's eyes grow back in seconds. Example wolvie vs HULK

Super scream into the eardrum.

Um no, hulk own thunder clap never bothers him so I doubt any super scream will slow down the hulk

heat vision assult from an unreachable altitude.

True but that did jack and **** to the professor in marvel vs DC and that didn't help gladiator when he fought the hulk either. The only way I can see that working is if supes was trying to kill him. But that isn't happening so heat vision isn't going to do anything but piss hulk off.

freeze breath to the heart and brain to slow him down.

Err no hulk survives the vacuum of space without any trouble what so ever. So no, freeze breath isn't going to anything either:o

come on.

in all fairness though, he, for some reason couldn't do that to doomsday.

the real fight is indeed between Doomsday and Hulk.

Supes can only win by using his immense speed otherwise if he does a doomsday, hulk will clobber him :o

Johnny Blaze

12-15-2003, 10:36 AM

Close call...Supes would have to end it quick if he is to win, otherwise Hulk would take him.

Jack Rabbit

12-15-2003, 10:46 AM

SUpes has beat him before, and he'd do it again easily...

Cracker Jack

12-15-2003, 10:58 AM

Super_Child

12-15-2003, 12:15 PM

I hate these * insert hero here* vs superman threads they are all stupid because unless they are a kyriptonite charged hero they cant beat superman by a long shot.

Guyverjay

12-15-2003, 12:17 PM

pff ever heard of silver surfer?

Supes goes down in under a minute to him:o

Super_Child

12-15-2003, 12:19 PM

does the power cosmic have kryptonite in it no! :supes:

Guyverjay

12-15-2003, 12:22 PM

3 questions

1)Gee what energy source does supes run off?

2) Um who can absorb and has control of all forms of energy?

3)Do you know anything about comics?

Last one was rhetorical btw:)

Morg

12-15-2003, 12:39 PM

Johnny Blaze

12-15-2003, 03:19 PM

Originally posted by guyverjay
3 questions

1)Gee what energy source does supes run off?

2) Um who can absorb and has control of all forms of energy?

3)Do you know anything about comics?

Last one was rhetorical btw:) Yeah, Surfer would put a whoopin' on ole' Supes.

12-15-2003, 03:37 PM

What people fail to realize is how fast The Hulk is. He's been fast enough in the past to jump up into the air and snatch The Surfer off of his board, when he was going extremly fast, fast enough to appear as a blur to The Hulk. But just as The Hulk has almost perfect aim when it comes to throwing things, he has almost perfect aim when he jumps as well. And it would be pretty hard for Superman to stay out of his reach, considering The Hulk has jumped out of Earth's atmosphere before...The Hulk can punch extremly fast as well. People like Super Sabre have been running around him in circles before, and he's easily reached out and smashed them into the ground. If he got a good punch in on Supes, he would easily be able to follow up with 3 or 4 more before Superman could recover...

And The Silver Surfer is extremly difficult to beat because of the variety of powers he posess's. Whenever he's fought The Hulk, The Hulk has batted him around, but it always comes own to The Surfer simply removing his gamma radiation. Same thing with Superman vs. The Surfer...simple solor energy removal...I'd personally like to see Superman win that fight, not that I have anything against the SS, but it's just no realistically going to happen...

And some pics, just because I love The Hulk... :D

http://leaderslair.crosswinds.net/gammapeople/hulksmashes/subby35.jpg

http://leaderslair.crosswinds.net/gammapeople/hulksmashes/surfer125-1.jpg

http://leaderslair.crosswinds.net/gammapeople/hulksmashes/surfer125-3.jpg

http://leaderslair.crosswinds.net/defenders/order4pic1.gif

Breck

12-15-2003, 05:05 PM

The Hulk would just start whispering really low and when Superman uses his super-hearing the Hulk would do a sonic clap and Superman's head would explode. Unfortunately, fragments from his skull would rocket through the Hulk's eye socket and into his brain, killing him instantly.

Draw.

12-15-2003, 05:35 PM

I was with you up until the whole skull fragments killing the Hulk thing, Breck. I dont care who's skull fragments they are...there not going to kill the Hulk... :D

narsal

12-15-2003, 10:10 PM

ok if superman is soo weak why does he kick everones ass in all books he is in real books by both companies

12-15-2003, 10:38 PM

Superman isnt weak, and it's called a popularity contest. In one match they had, the fans decided. In any other case, it pretty much comes down to Supes popularity. I mean, really. Just one thing the company's look at, how many millions of kids idolize/love/look up to Superman? Do you think it's going to be good for sales to have a 1,200 pound monster beat him into a pulp? Superman is just so much more commerical, so much more popular, and it's not like The Hulk is alone. Superman beat Thor as well. I dont think we're ever going to have a decent Superman vs. a Marvel character match up. Well, I can think of one. They did a one shot back in 1998, The Hulk vs. Superman, and the Hulk won the first time they met up in that comic. Too bad everyone always refer's to Marvel vs. DC when it comes to these things. And If we always depended on the fans vote's we would have Wolverine and Spidey taking down The Living Tribunal on a regular basis...

Cracker Jack

12-16-2003, 09:37 AM

Originally posted by Breck
The Hulk would just start whispering really low and when Superman uses his super-hearing the Hulk would do a sonic clap and Superman's head would explode. Unfortunately, fragments from his skull would rocket through the Hulk's eye socket and into his brain, killing him instantly.

Draw.

LOL that was good! But you're wrong. The Hulks healing ability would kick in and there ya have it. Sups is dead and all is well. If you're the Hulk that is!

narsal

12-19-2003, 05:42 AM

ok assume it is a fight to the death a you all seem to think then Superman picks up the Hulk and shoves him into space at super speed the hulk can not stop that he has only human reflexs so now we have a fight in 0 grav. there the Hulk can t do squawt next a billion or so near light speed punchs to the head from one who laughs at Hydrogen bombs which can kill the hulk(and if you do not take my word for it remember the Maestro was killed this way and he was the strongest Hulk incarnation ).now that the hulk has taken a pummeling at super speed Superman just tosses the lifeless body of this strange monster into the core of the sun about 9 mins later as the body of the hulk vaporises in the photosphere this angry Superman flies off:hulk: :mad: vs :supes: :up:

Guyverjay

12-19-2003, 07:43 AM

Originally posted by narsal
ok assume it is a fight to the death a you all seem to think then Superman picks up the Hulk and shoves him into space at super speed the hulk can not stop that he has only human reflexs so now we have a fight in 0 grav. there the Hulk can t do squawt next a billion or so near light speed punchs to the head from one who laughs at Hydrogen bombs which can kill the hulk(and if you do not take my word for it remember the Maestro was killed this way and he was the strongest Hulk incarnation ).now that the hulk has taken a pummeling at super speed Superman just tosses the lifeless body of this strange monster into the core of the sun about 9 mins later as the body of the hulk vaporises in the photosphere this angry Superman flies off:hulk: :mad: vs :supes: :up:

:rolleyes:

1)Hulk s reflexs are alot faster than a humans, he has caught jet fighters and snagged the silver surfer from his board:o

2)Some oe already tried to carry hulk off ito space at super speed and and just as they guy to te upper atmosspehere hulk thunderclaped him right in the temples. Imagine what that would do to superman with his super heariing.

3) It was a GAMMA bomb not a hydrogen bomb. a HUGE difference

4)The maestro didn't actually die

5) This isn't a fight to the death

6) Name ONE comic where superman has hit someone with a billion punches:rolleyes:

7) Why doesn't he ever do this to Doomsday?

8) It would take alot more than 9 minutes for the hulk's body to get to the sun:o

All that said I beileve thats super speed is supes trump card, thats the ONLY reason why he could beat hulk in a fight.

narsal

12-19-2003, 02:53 PM

1) his speed is still so much slower than than superman that he might as well be standing still 2)well at near light speed he would have less than one second to act and superman cant be hurt by sound ?(and as it is a near vacum it will not work anyway) 3)ok so what gamma bomb was just a highly radioactive bomb like the neutron bomb 4)he is dead read the book vapor trail and dust 5)well everone keeps acting like it is so i shall as well 6)any time he uses superspeed he can and has in many books 7)he tried but doomsday is also from krypton and so was on an equal footing but he did try 8)well if he would use his superspeed as i have him doing through this the hulk would be traveling just under light speed and since light takes a little more than 8 mins to reach earth fromm the sun well thats that

12-19-2003, 03:06 PM

A 1,200 pound monster smashing his hands together point blank is going to hurt just about anything...do you even know just how powerful his thunder clap is???

The Gamma Bomb was created to make Nuclear Weapons look like fire crackers...

The Maestro did come back...

And The Hulk has batted Pre-Crisis Superman out of Metropolis with a single punch before...and you should read The Superman vs. The Hulk 98' one shot if you want to see a realalistic potrayal of a matchup between the two. The Hulk beats the **** out of him the first time they meet...Superman also said himself he had a very hard time with The Professor, the weakest incarnation of The Hulk. He didnt even knock The Professor out either, he incapacitated him for a couple of seconds and got the win. And dont even bring up The Hulk hitting Superman and him not moving. The same thing happened when Doomsday punched him for the first time, he didnt even budge. But as the fight went out, Superman was beaten down,and eventually killed, he himself proclaimed "the more we fight the harder he seems to hit/more he seems to like it. The Hulk operates the exact same way...

Guyverjay

12-19-2003, 03:08 PM

Originally posted by narsal
1) his speed is still so much slower than than superman that he might as well be standing still

True but than so are a helluva lot characters that superman still gets hit by:o

2)well at near light speed he would have less than one second to act and superman cant be hurt by sound ?(and as it is a near vacum it will not work anyway)

Near a vacuum is not the same as in a vacuum, one second is all hulk needs to thunderclap him and sound DOES hurt superman, ask Nightwing

3)ok so what gamma bomb was just a highly radioactive bomb like the neutron bomb

Er no the gamma bomb made a normal nuke look like a firework that was the whole point in its invention.

4)he is dead read the book vapor trail and dust

Wrong the maestro came back by syphoning off hulks gamma radiation each time he traveled home

5)well everone keeps acting like it is so i shall as well

great argument :up:

6)any time he uses superspeed he can and has in many books

Name one,come on name one where is has used a BILLION punches per second

7)he tried but doomsday is also from krypton and so was on an equal footing but he did try

Bollocks he tried. What he tried to do was have a slug fest with doomsday and got killed. he also tried his flying up into the sky trick and doomsday was having none of it. Even in hunter prey I never saw any attempt to fly doomsday into outer space and any of this billion punches per second nonsense. Yes DD is of kryptonian origin but there powers are not the same. DD can't even fly:o

8)well if he would use his superspeed as i have him doing through this the hulk would be traveling just under light speed and since light takes a little more than 8 mins to reach earth fromm the sun well thats that

Yeah becauee hulk is just going to stand there and let superman take him to the sun.
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narsal

12-19-2003, 03:10 PM

its comics realism does not enter superman fought the hulk and has beat him every time they have meet this was written by both companies and that is all we as readers can say no matter what we want superman is strongest accept it and move on

Guyverjay

12-19-2003, 03:13 PM

Originally posted by narsal
its comics realism does not enter superman fought the hulk and has beat him every time they have meet this was written by both companies and that is all we as readers can say no matter what we want superman is strongest accept it and move on

are you retarded? serious question.

The fight was VOTED for by the comic readers. Superman is more popular than the hulk and thus was voted to win. Both companies decided NOTHING... GET IT?

Wolverine was VOTED to beat Lobo thats why HE won. We all kow that lobo would beat wolverine in 10 seconds flat:o

Grey

12-19-2003, 08:01 PM

ok.... Superman vs Hulk.....

nobody wins.
This is a ploy by Marvel and DC to get your money....

What we really need is a good fight written REALISTICLY ( in comics) ...and drawn in an awsome style.( of course i can't do either so...)

page one SPLASH

ext. Metroplis day rush hour

page 2 panel 1

ext.(same) zoom in on an awesome sports car stuck on the freeway...

pg2 pnl 3

con. zoom.

pg 2 pnl 4

int. sports car
radio" its a hot one today in the big Met, and after another attack by some alien invaders, we're all ready for a big cool down....This just in ...oh no....not again....(whispers) its the third time today...."

pg 3 pnl 1

ext skys over Met. twenty milliatry jets soar towards the city
"... They're tracking a large creature....it could be Doomsday....good luck...

pg 3 pnl 2

ext. sky Met Super man stops mid air ( hero shot ) and looks towrad the distance

pg 4 pnl 3
" Superman !"

I'm bored....i'll finish later....and post it on my site...http://www.spookzone.com

12-19-2003, 08:24 PM

Good job Grey, and yes, Iv conclusivly come to the decison that narsal is retarded. Just look at a couple other of his post's and im sure you'll agree 100%. And I dont know why no one knows this, but a good Hulk vs. Superman comic was written a few years back, it was called The Hulk vs. Superman, and it was a one shot, written in 98'. The Hulk beats Superman the first time they meet, and pretty much goes toe to toe with him the second time around, but knows he cant beat The Hulk in a straight out slug fest so he resorts to his other powes. Superman himself was amazed by the power and speed of the creature...Some people just cant see past the train wreck that was Marvel vs. DC all the while saying "Superman is the greatest!!! He would punch The Hulk a billion times in the face in one second and then throw him into the sun!!! And thats it!!! " :rolleyes: I rest my case... :)

Guyverjay

12-19-2003, 10:33 PM

Originally posted by Mr. X
Good job Grey, and yes, Iv conclusivly come to the decison that narsal is retarded. Just look at a couple other of his post's and im sure you'll agree 100%. And I dont know why no one knows this, but a good Hulk vs. Superman comic was written a few years back, it was called The Hulk vs. Superman, and it was a one shot, written in 98'. The Hulk beats Superman the first time they meet, and pretty much goes toe to toe with him the second time around, but knows he cant beat The Hulk in a straight out slug fest so he resorts to his other powes. Superman himself was amazed by the power and speed of the creature...Some people just cant see past the train wreck that was Marvel vs. DC all the while saying "Superman is the greatest!!! He would punch The Hulk a billion times in the face in one second and then throw him into the sun!!! And thats it!!! " :rolleyes: I rest my case... :)

I knwo the isse you are talkingabout:)

I haven't read it though:(

You want to see something cool?
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Canvas/8961/superman.html

narsal

12-20-2003, 12:16 AM

must you resort to name calling it shows you in a very bad light this whole thread is moronic and if you can not accept what the companies publish then start your own books. name calling is the last desperat act of those who are insercure

Grey

12-20-2003, 01:24 AM

I'll check my "local shop" and see what I can find on the 98 Supes and Hulk....Thankz.

Guyverjay

12-20-2003, 07:38 AM

Originally posted by narsal
must you resort to name calling it shows you in a very bad light this whole thread is moronic and if you can not accept what the companies publish then start your own books. name calling is the last desperat act of those who are insercure

You get a FACT thrown at you and you continue to chat nonsense:o

That can try peoples patience

12-20-2003, 11:02 AM

Cool, thanks. Kind of how I always envisoned it going down as well...

12-20-2003, 02:21 PM

Oh, and another thing I forgot to add earlier. The Hulk has no qualms about fighting dirty if he had too. A couple of examples. In the past when he was fighting Thor, he took a hostage and threatened to kill her unless Thor put his hammer down, Thor did so and The Hulk then got ahold of him, and beat him bad. Also, The Huk was once fighting The Thunderbolts, and decided to break a dam, turning there attention saving the town people's lives. And in a fight with Superman, he wouldent have any problem throwing a bus full of people a mile straight up into the sk, making Superman fly up there and get them, and then jump up and grab Superman and then drive him 150 straight down into the earth up impact. Or collapse a building full of people, diverting his attention to them and then getting his hands on him, allowing for an attack on a vurnable Superman, or take a hostage...I mean, take your pick...I peronally think that would give the Hulk an advantage...having no morale dilema's and all...

Guyverjay

12-20-2003, 02:23 PM

Originally posted by Mr. X
Oh, and another thing I forgot to add earlier. The Hulk has no qualms about fighting dirty if he had too. A couple of examples. In the past when he was fighting Thor, he took a hostage and threatened to kill her unless Thor put his hammer down, Thor did so and The Hulk then got ahold of him, and beat him bad. Also, The Huk was once fighting The Thunderbolts, and decided to break a dam, turning there attention saving the town people's lives. And in a fight with Superman, he wouldent have any problem throwing a bus full of people a mile straight up into the sk, making Superman fly up there and get them, and then jump up and grab Superman and then drive him 150 straight down into the earth up impact. Or collapse a building full of people, diverting his attention to them and then getting his hands on him, allowing for an attack on a vurnable Superman, or take a hostage...I mean, take your pick...I peronally think that would give the Hulk an advantage...having no morale dilema's and all...

Even I can't argue with post

Lackey

12-20-2003, 03:27 PM

12-20-2003, 03:59 PM

The Hulk is much more intelligent though, and wouldent mindlessy wander around destroying things, it would be somewhat calculated and used to his advantage, just not for the sake of doing it. I know the Hulk isnt exactly a genius, but he isnt dumb either. Even the completly mindless Hulk has laid traps good enough to catch people like Doc Sampson off guard...and the normal savage Hulk has done things like burrowing into the ground to escape a bunch of army tanks, then going up underneath one, ripping the bottom of it open, crawling in, and then firing on other tanks, therefore causing mass confusion and destruction without him having to exert himself one bit. And then he pretty much just wandered off...

And the bony protrusions sticking out of DD started to cut him at the very end of there fight, when Superman's bio-matrix force field had started to weaken due to extreme exertion. And the thing is, Superman wouldent be able to take down The Hulk fast, taking into consideration he wouldent even know who he was in the first place when the fight started, and I personally believe he would get batted around at first (just as he did in The Hulk vs. Supeman one shot) because he would underestimate The Hulk's speed and strength,not to mention he wouldent want to hit The Hulk his hardest or anything, as he hasnt tested the limits of the creatures toughness and would probably worry about killing it, he would then start getting physical and try to go toe with toe with The Hulk, just as he did with DD. Superman has never been the biggest thinker in the world, and it took him dying against DD to figure out he needed to try a differant strategy and not go toe to toe with him, and he figured that out in Hunter/Prey.

He would more then likely do the same thing against the Hulk. He would go toe to toe with The Hulk for a couple of minutes, and then get him angry, therfore cancelling out the possibility of taking him at fast. The Hulk would probably, as he always has, go to taking a hostage or destroying a building once the battle heated up anyway. And I know im almost completly arguring for The Hulk in this discussion, but Im not against Superman beating The Hulk. There's a good chance he could do it, just as theres a good chance The Hulk could take him. Im pretty much just arguring in favor of The Hulk because almost everyone already knows everything about Superman, but The Hulk is somewhat underestimated...or people are just kind of in the dark about his abilitys and such...

Lackey

12-20-2003, 04:07 PM

wow, long post :eek: ;)

well, I pretty much agree that the fight could go like it did with Doomsday.... but also like you said, Superman learned his lesson from that fight and wouldn't make the same mistakes.

but even if the fight went like it did with Doomsday, there are things that didn't work on Doomsday that would work on the Hulk... for example, Superman tried taking Doomsday out into space where he would be helpless, it didn't work on Doomsday but it would work on the Hulk.

12-20-2003, 04:12 PM

When did Superman ever take Doomsday into space? Im pretty sure he never did it when they were fighting...the only time I remember DD even being in space was after he died...and he was put on that rock and chained up by Superman...he was already dead then though. And if Superman even brought The Hulk into space, it's not like it would kill him, he's survived prolonged peroids of time in space before. You want to know what I think would happen? Supes would bring him up into space, but The Hulk would wrap his hands around Supes throat right when they got out of Earth's atmosphere. They would both then hurtle into Earth's atmosphere, burst into flames, and smash into the ground going several hundred miles per hour, all the while with The Hulk with his hands around Supes throat, pretty much on top of them. The Hulk has literally done things like that before...he'll fight you to the bitter ******* end, no matter what it takes...he'll find a way...

Guyverjay

12-20-2003, 04:13 PM

Superman TRIED to do it

12-20-2003, 04:16 PM

And my main point with the whole DD thing was he would at first just underestimate The Hulk's strength/speed and try at first going toe to toe with him, I dont think at first he would have the notion of staying out of his reach and using all of his other powers...and then get him angry so it would cancel out Superman trying to take him out fast. And another thing, Superman was shown to have a fear of DD, a fear which held him back from grabbing him before he entered a boom tube,among other thigns, because he was afraid. What do you think fighting The Hulk would be like? Dont you think it would bring back those fears? Make him make a couple of mistakes? Make him afraid? I pretty sure it would...you have to take that variable to mind as well...

Guyverjay

12-20-2003, 04:18 PM

Nah supes has got over his fear now

Spider-Hulk

12-20-2003, 04:38 PM

Guyverjay

12-20-2003, 04:40 PM

Grey hulk is a murderer:mad:

Then again so is superman:D

Isn't it ironic that mr X hates X-men (I dunno why I just thought of that:confused: )?

12-20-2003, 04:50 PM

Yeah, but The Grey Hulk murders with a smile...a big evil grin actually... :D

And thanks Spider-Hulk...I appreciate it... :)

And it's the same thing for almost anyone who's ever died in comics, if they come face to face with it again or something similar, I dont care who you are, it's going to invoke some kind of fear. One good example is Wonder Man, I remember when he was fighting The Hulk, and The Hulk got his hand around his head and he said something to the extent of "old fears rising..I can feel it again". Another example, Cyber was one of the only people that ever put fear into Wolverine. Wolverine couldent even remember what exactly it was that Cyber did to him, but he knew it was bad and on a sub-conscious level, he feared him and that affected his performance against him. And hell, even if Superman had never died and fought The Hulk, I still think The Hulk's mere presence and intimidating stature and ability's would come into play...it's kind of like how Mike Tyson used to be.

You could literally see his openants shaking before the bell had even rung...People were afriad of him and it made him all that much better. Im just getting really deep into this discussion though, but If you want to take everything into account and get really into it, then yes, Supermans fear would play some part in a match up between the two. And yes, I know it's a not a piss my pants and cower in a corner fear, Superman would still easily have the courage to fly right up to The Hulk and punch him in the face, but in some way, perhaps even sublimily, the fear, the reluctance, whatever you want to call it would come into play...

12-20-2003, 04:54 PM

Lol, I dont really hate them...there not my favorites but I do like a few on them. The main thing that bugs me is just how over rated some of the characters are, in the eyes of many X Men fans anyway...that and how ****** a lot of the X books have been lately. And heres a secret, my name comes from the old NES game Kung Fu, Mr. X was the last boss, and he was frankly funny as hell. His laugh, mosly. It's also the name of one of Wolverine's newer enemy's, a pretty bad ass one at that...and on top of that I just like the name. Im probably never going to repeat that...so cherish that rare and interesting piece of information!!! Tell story's about it to your kids...your grand kids...and fellow SHH members!!! Man im a Dork... :D

Spider-Hulk

12-21-2003, 11:15 AM

Originally posted by guyverjay
Grey hulk is a murderer:mad:

Then again so is superman:D

Isn't it ironic that mr X hates X-men (I dunno why I just thought of that:confused: )?
GRRR!!! :mad: There you go with that whole Grey Hulk is murderer thing, so what, Glorian was trying to destroy him, he was in league with Satan for pitys sake!!! Glorian was killed by Grey Hulk yes, but he came back to life, and then despite the fact Glorian was trying to destroy the Hulk, Grey Hulk took on Satan to try and save his worthless carcass.

And yes Supes is a murderer too, which just goes to show, that even the best of us have a killer instinct. :D

Spider-Hulk

12-21-2003, 11:20 AM

Originally posted by Mr. X
Yeah, but The Grey Hulk murders with a smile...a big evil grin actually... :D

And thanks Spider-Hulk...I appreciate it... :)
Grey Hulk is probably the baddest ass in the Marvel Universe, but hes not evil, hes just quite selfish and has little regard for some people round him, but hes not evil.

Although, he does enjoy inflicting pain, and he does have a wicked smile.

gammamega

12-23-2003, 02:25 AM

Hulk should have no probelm , grey Hulk should beat superman

Guyverjay

12-23-2003, 06:36 AM

Originally posted by Spider-Hulk
GRRR!!! :mad: There you go with that whole Grey Hulk is murderer thing, so what, Glorian was trying to destroy him, he was in league with Satan for pitys sake!!! Glorian was killed by Grey Hulk yes, but he came back to life, and then despite the fact Glorian was trying to destroy the Hulk, Grey Hulk took on Satan to try and save his worthless carcass.

And yes Supes is a murderer too, which just goes to show, that even the best of us have a killer instinct. :D

Liar:mad:

murderer...........merrrrrrrrrrrderrrrrrrrrrrrrrru uuuurrrrrrr:D

Spider-Hulk

12-24-2003, 04:45 PM

Originally posted by guyverjay
Liar:mad:

murderer...........merrrrrrrrrrrderrrrrrrrrrrrrrru uuuurrrrrrr:D
No, not a liar, check out the Mr Fixit issues of the Incredible Hulk volume two if you dont believe me.

Hulk is not a muderer, a guy who commited manslaughter, but he didnt actually murder, there is a subtle difference.

Guyverjay

12-24-2003, 04:48 PM

Murderer:mad:

:D

12-24-2003, 07:21 PM

The Grey Hulk has done several things that very easily could of killed people though. Remember when he was in the crowd watching "The Incredible Hulk" wrestler guy? He jumped in and beat the **** out of that guy, and then threw him through the roof... :D

Varient

12-25-2003, 02:34 AM

Originally posted by Sentinel
Who will win?
Superman.
Always surprising how folk who geek on Marvel can ignore feats to have there hero win.

*Sonic slap/clap stunning superman? Please,.. it's air. The only time sound has bothered him was when it was mystical.

Speed? Please,.. Thor has punched "faster" than the Hulk when those two have fought,.... The Thing has punched faster when he as fought the Hulk. Superman was fast enough to knock up and slap down Thor 1.0 in the begining of the battle between the two.

Strength? Consider,.. if there was a story written about Thor and the Hulk fighting for days,.... How could any of you pro hulkers believe that the Hulk could survive the sort of beating Supes gave Thor?

This is just another thread on the scale of "Spiderman versus God."

stupid in folk believing that the Hulk could beat Superman,.... Heck, Mr. Fixit is DOCUMENTED to be weaker than any of the green hulk versions, yet sumbody here thinks he has a chance against Superman?

Guyverjay

12-25-2003, 09:50 AM

Originally posted by Varient
Superman.
Always surprising how folk who geek on Marvel can ignore feats to have there hero win.

How can it ALWAYS be surprising? Take your head out of your ass and lets not turn this into another lame ass marvel vs DC row:o

*Sonic slap/clap stunning superman? Please,.. it's air. The only time sound has bothered him was when it was mystical.

Tell that to nightwing

Speed? Please,.. Thor has punched "faster" than the Hulk when those two have fought,.... The Thing has punched faster when he as fought the Hulk. Superman was fast enough to knock up and slap down Thor 1.0 in the begining of the battle between the two.

Yeah it documented when they fight: its got grim saying look hulk I punch faster than you:rolleyes: Hulk punches at mach 3:. The figfhst you mention happened a long time ago, characters change

Strength? Consider,.. if there was a story written about Thor and the Hulk fighting for days,....

I have no clue where you're getting the fight for days from (unless I missed it). I know they had a hugging contest where they just stood there holding each other for days. Not exactly the same thing is it?

How could any of you pro hulkers believe that the Hulk could survive the sort of beating Supes gave Thor?

Because hulk has the most powerful regeneration/healing factor in the marvel u? His durability gets higher (along with his strength) the madder he becomes? Does thor have any of this ? how about no. Plus crossovers suck ass and that fight was complete crap. What a conicidence that thor never used his godforce?:rolleyes:. Btw I'd hardy call it a beating, unless you think that ONE punch (just shows how retarded that fight was) that put down thor would put down the hulk?.What did supes say afer the fight? Oh yeah he said that thor was the single most toughest opponent he's ever faced. In fcat he was so tired that he got ass raped by the rest of the avengers afterwards

This is just another thread on the scale of "Spiderman versus God."

This is just another case of Superman fan arrogance *reads variants sig* Oh I see:o

stupid in folk believing that the Hulk could beat Superman,.... Heck, Mr. Fixit is DOCUMENTED to be weaker than any of the green hulk versions, yet sumbody here thinks he has a chance against Superman?

Weaker because he's got a lower BASE strength and is slower to anger. but he still has "the madder hulk gets the stronger hulk becomes" so saying he's the weakest doesn't mean a whole lot. Professor was the weakest, he is the slowest to anger and turns into savage banner. Fixit destroyed an asteroid TWICE the size of earth with ONE punch. He still took an uppercut from Cosmic spider-man that put him into orbit without a scratch If he's the weakest I hate to see what the strongest could do:o

That said I think supes would beat Hulk because of his speed and his speed alone. Don't disrepect the hulk because super speed is the only think that would stop hulk from plastering superman all over the side walk:o

12-25-2003, 06:41 PM

I just read The Hulk vs. Superman, and The Hulk had no problem keeping up with Superman's super speed. Superman charged (flew actually) towards The Hulk, and The Hulk went to punch him, Superman evaded the first one barely, and then before he could react The Hulk punched him and sent him flying a couple of hundred feet through a store. Then Superman thought.."time to lay down the law", and he flew up behind The Hulk and got his hands around on. Before he could do anything else, the Hulk whacked him, into outer space. In there second fight, Superman really let loose and gave The Hulk everything he had. And this is after The Hulk fought a Hulk clone robot costing millions of dollars, created by Lex Luthor. The Hulk still went toe to toe with him. Superman also said "He's not only big, he's fast! And strong! Stronger then anyone Iv ever gone up against!". Superman has been up against people much stronger physically then himself, so that seems to signify The Hulk is physically stronger then him.

Anyways, back to there second fight. The Hulk had no problem getting ahold of Superman when he was airborn, and they both flell quite a distance. Superman then said "That...actually came close to knocking the wind out of me!" Do I dare hope The Hulk took it harder? No such Luck". And The Hulk had a harder fall, and recovered faster. In the end Luthor shoots Banner's giant gamma ray gun at Superman and The Hulk, and it causes extreme pain in both of them. The Hulk takes it better then Superman though, and Superman helps The Hulk jump away, The Hulk then destroys the machine. I personally think it was shown that The Hulk is not only stronger then Superman, but tougher. Superman still has the speed though, and still isnt weak by any means. He still has the strength to hurt The Hulk, I was just saying...Oh, and the big kicker is that this was Pre-Crisis Superman.......I hope that that clears everything up, specifically how a real Superman vs. The Hulk matchup would and should go...

Guyverjay

12-25-2003, 06:46 PM

Pffft crossovers mean jack:o

12-25-2003, 06:58 PM

Eh...whatever you say Guyverjay... :(

ohwattagosiam

12-25-2003, 07:26 PM

Superman is strong, but the Hulk has held/braced (whatever) 150 BILLION tons before now in Secret Wars. That's gotta be in the same ballpark as Pre-Crisis Supes? Post-Crisis, Supe's not in the same league as the Hulk when it comes to strength, nor in durability when Hulk's pi$$ed.

What good is super-speed when he'd be using ALL his energy just trying to knock the Hulk on his butt. The fight would go on for ages and Supes would tire. Also, no one can just casually dismiss the Hulks sonic hand clap. It has hurt/stunned real strong people, and has caused a lot of damage.

Finally, just like the Supes/Juggernaut thread I can't see Supes actually BEATING the Hulk, only inconviencing him.

12-25-2003, 10:06 PM

Hulk's thunder clap has been described as producing shock waves that "put to shame the most powerful hurricanes in the history of the planet". He also deflected Nightcrawlers sonics before with a thunder clap and destroyed an entire cosmos where a teleporting race of people lived as well...

Caleb

12-25-2003, 10:12 PM

The Hulk is lucky that Superman isn't a killer. Otherwise he could just hurl the Hulk into space and end the fight in the span of a fastball pitch. In fact, Superman could beat just about anyone like this.

Guyverjay

12-26-2003, 04:54 AM

Except people who can survive in space and can fly:rolleyes:

Btw Superman IS a killer:o

Caleb

12-28-2003, 04:29 PM

I know, he is. But what I mean is he doesn't make a habit of it like Spawn or Punisher. He doesn't like to kill.

Varient

12-28-2003, 11:20 PM

Originally posted by guyverjay
That said I think supes would beat Hulk because of his speed and his speed alone. Don't disrepect the hulk because super speed is the only think that would stop hulk from plastering superman all over the side walk:o
Not gonna stoop and get personal on you like you did on me:
I'll just say that it's a cop out to say that I've disrespected the hulk simply becuase I've pointed out that weaker characters have punched faster than he, that Superman is more durable, has taken more punishment then your regeneration/invulnerability and come back to win.

I've read for years and have a feel for feats,... the hulk cannot beat the current version of Superman,... period.

BTW,.. explain what Nightwing has to do with using a "thunderclap" against superman?

BTW2,... There was a comic where the Hulk and Thor had a throw down that tore up the landscape up north for weeks before the US government decided to try to end it by dropping nukes on them. Think it was the Maistro one shot.

BTW3,... So becuase I'm saying what I am about this fight, (After going on about Surfer Whooping on Superman in a previous thread.), you want to get personal with me?

Whatever.

War Lord

12-29-2003, 05:33 PM

Originally posted by guyverjay
Except people who can survive in space and can fly:rolleyes:

Btw Superman IS a killer:o

When did Superman kill somebody?

Guyverjay

12-29-2003, 05:46 PM

Originally posted by Varient
Not gonna stoop and get personal on you like you did on me:

Bwahahahaha getting personal? Because I told you to get your head out of your ass? Please:o You're the one bringing "folk who geek on marvel" into this, in your first sentence. Like THAT was really needed:o

I'll just say that it's a cop out to say that I've disrespected the hulk simply becuase I've pointed out that weaker characters have punched faster than he, that Superman is more durable, has taken more punishment then your regeneration/invulnerability and come back to win.

No you disrepected the hulk by comparing this fight to spider-man vs god. Basically saying Hulk is less than a germ compared to superman

I've read for years and have a feel for feats,... the hulk cannot beat the current version of Superman,... period.

I've already pretty much said this bub, but its only the speed that clinches it :)

BTW,.. explain what Nightwing has to do with using a "thunderclap" against superman?

Nightwing----sonic device------superman-------painful

BTW2,... There was a comic where the Hulk and Thor had a throw down that tore up the landscape up north for weeks before the US government decided to try to end it by dropping nukes on them. Think it was the Maistro one shot.

Except that A) thor was in warrior madness in which his strength multiplies ten fold and B) Hulk wasn't trying to BEAT thor in the first place.

BTW3,... So becuase I'm saying what I am about this fight, (After going on about Surfer Whooping on Superman in a previous thread.), you want to get personal with me?

Pffft I'm just agreeing with your sig bub:)

Whatever.

:D

12-29-2003, 06:40 PM

Superman killed somebody when it came down to him absolutely needing to do so. Never actually read it, but I know it got to him so bad he ended up leaving Earth for a while...

And your wrong about a couple of things Varient. The Thor Maestro fight didnt happen in "The Maestro one shot", theres actually no such thing. It happened in Hulk vol. 2 440, and they didnt fight for weeks, or days. And The Hulk wasnt trying to kill him or anything, he was going to fake his own death because the world needed a scape goat...And no offense man, but you dont seem to much about "feats. I think you should visit this page and read up on some of them...

http://www.comicboards.com/hulk/view.php?trd=030123045750

And as Iv said to Guyverjay in the past (and as hes rightfully said to me before) chill out a little. Its not worth arguring and getting pissy over something like a Hulk vs. Superman match up...okay? :)

Blackie

12-29-2003, 07:48 PM

Superman all the way. :supes:

Varient

12-29-2003, 10:24 PM

Originally posted by guyverjay

sigh,..

if u can't tell the diff between me saying "folk geeking about marvel" and you telling me to pull my head out of my ass?
I can see it's a waste of convo becuase you are taking it to a personal level.

let me know if you ever want to get civil and serious at the same time,.. don't have time to get upset becuase you don't like my opinion or my signature.

Peace.

Varient

12-29-2003, 11:08 PM

Originally posted by Mr. X
Superman killed somebody when it came down to him absolutely needing to do so. Never actually read it, but I know it got to him so bad he ended up leaving Earth for a while...

And your wrong about a couple of things Varient. The Thor Maestro fight didnt happen in "The Maestro one shot", theres actually no such thing. It happened in Hulk vol. 2 440, and they didnt fight for weeks, or days. And The Hulk wasnt trying to kill him or anything, he was going to fake his own death because the world needed a scape goat...And no offense man, but you dont seem to much about "feats. I think you should visit this page and read up on some of them...

http://www.comicboards.com/hulk/view.php?trd=030123045750

And as Iv said to Guyverjay in the past (and as hes rightfully said to me before) chill out a little. Its not worth arguring and getting pissy over something like a Hulk vs. Superman match up...okay? :)

1. I think I quantified that with "I think" on everything involving the thor / hulk fight.

I didn't get "pissy" about this,.. and was willing to go back and forth w/o getting personal.

the link you post goes to a fan of the hulk who posted a series of quotes from the book that talk about "how strong" the hulk is but very few examples of how strong he has gotten.

With all due respect - none of his feats have exceeded what You could see putting your nose in a Superman comic,.. and to be rude, some of the feats ignore too much of the reality of the materials involved.

(example - during secret wars,... unless they started on a mountain top,... at no time was the hulk supporting an entire mountain range,... at most he was supporting well below his max strength, hence "smart hulk" being able to handle it.)

It's unfortunate that his strength and durability are tied directly to his emotional state - this is his biggest weakness, that below a certain point it is possible to kill him easily.

He can be frozen, fried, gassed, drowned like anybody else if you catch him at his weakest.

The boyscout felt guilty about killing three kryptonians who had killed everyone on an alternate earth - his biggest weakness remains his issues with killing for a good reason. It will kill him some day, (hmph,... it already had.)

peace.

Guyverjay

12-30-2003, 08:33 AM

Originally posted by Varient
sigh,..

if u can't tell the diff between me saying "folk geeking about marvel" and you telling me to pull my head out of my ass?
I can see it's a waste of convo becuase you are taking it to a personal level.

let me know if you ever want to get civil and serious at the same time,.. don't have time to get upset becuase you don't like my opinion or my signature.

Peace.

The bottom line is it WASN'T needed. It had NO relevence what so ever and just came off (at least to me) as just another dig at the people who haven't read that much DC:o

Whether you choose to try and rebutt my arguments is up to you because I don't really care what you do:)

Good day

12-30-2003, 04:56 PM

Im not even going to try to argue with you any longer...

Guyverjay

12-30-2003, 05:00 PM

I wasn't aware that we were arguing:confused: :D

12-30-2003, 05:02 PM

Not you and me, I meant with Varient... :confused:

Varient

12-30-2003, 05:10 PM

???

not arguing.

Guyverjay

12-30-2003, 05:13 PM

Mr X, I have no idea what you're talking about:D

12-30-2003, 05:34 PM

Its not really arguring, I just meant Im not going to follow up and try to disprove what he said or whatever...Just not in the mood...

12-30-2003, 11:51 PM

And in JLA/AVENGERS Superman commented that Thor may have been the toughest person he had ever fought, and Superman barely came out with a victory. The Hulk has the best win loss record in the MU against Thor, he has several wins, a couple of extremly impressive ones, and minimal losses, and those losses had complications which led to them being losses. And The Hulk has shown in the past that he has the strength to knock Thor out with 3 or 4 punches, albeit extremly hard ones. And Hawkman knocked out Supes with a punch with the power of a planet. The grey hulk smashed an asteroid twice the size of a planet. And Im not necessarily bringing up the above points to show that The Hulk would win all the time, Im pretty much just trying to show that he has the potential to beat Supes, as some people seem to think Superman would take it each and every time. In my opinion, Hulk takes it 4 out of 7 times...the other 3 Superman would use his superior speed to take The Hulk out, probably knocking him out after a difficult match up, presumably not to far into the fight...

Varient

12-31-2003, 02:53 AM

Originally posted by Mr. X
And in JLA/AVENGERS Superman commented that Thor may have been the toughest person he had ever fought, and Superman barely came out with a victory. The Hulk has the best win loss record in the MU against Thor, he has several wins, a couple of extremly impressive ones, and minimal losses, and those losses had complications which led to them being losses. And The Hulk has shown in the past that he has the strength to knock Thor out with 3 or 4 punches, albeit extremly hard ones. And Hawkman knocked out Supes with a punch with the power of a planet. The grey hulk smashed an asteroid twice the size of a planet. And Im not necessarily bringing up the above points to show that The Hulk would win all the time, Im pretty much just trying to show that he has the potential to beat Supes, as some people seem to think Superman would take it each and every time. In my opinion, Hulk takes it 4 out of 7 times...the other 3 Superman would use his superior speed to take The Hulk out, probably knocking him out after a difficult match up, presumably not to far into the fight...

I can't bring up odds becuase the "1st licks in" rules apply.

If Superman came across a "Pissed off at the planet" Hulk,.. he'd get his clocked cleaned if it started with him running into the Hulks fist.

In the same light if Supes had jumped the Hulk like he could've in Avengers/JLA while he was kicking back after trashing a city,....

HuyLantern

12-31-2003, 05:11 AM

um, yeah, I'm going with superman on this one.

Caleb

12-31-2003, 03:50 PM

Several years ago he killed 3 kryptonians. I haven't kept up with any new comics so he may have killed again.

Lackey

12-31-2003, 04:15 PM

He hasn't killed again, unless you count Doomsday, but they killed each other.

12-31-2003, 04:30 PM

Yeah, I definitly agree with you on that Varient. As Guyverjay has said in the past, even Superman has been knocked out in 2 hits before when he wasnt expecting it, by Captain Marvel. And I remember when Doc Sampson tricked The Hulk, and then hit him with this punch that almost took his head off, knocking him out. But as you said, he totally wasnt expecting it...

But, Im going to have to disagree with what you said earlier about The Hulk being able too be killed easily when he's not angry. People have tried to drown him several times when he's at his weakest, it hasnt ever worked, not even when The Juggernaut tryed, The Hulk still got out of it. The Bi Beast tryed to fry him by boiling the blood in his body, and it almost worked, but The Hulk got out of it. Gas has been able to knock him out in the past, I'll admit that, but he can hold his breath for hours on end, which he has taken advantage of at times, that also goes into account when trying to drown him. And he's been frozen completly, blood and all before, off guard, and he's gotten out of it. As Iv said before, The Hulk literally always finds a way, no matter what...

War Lord

12-31-2003, 05:09 PM

Originally posted by Caleb
Several years ago he killed 3 kryptonians. I haven't kept up with any new comics so he may have killed again.

How did he kill them? I don't have a comics store nearby, so I can't get to read them as often as I want.

Caleb

12-31-2003, 05:14 PM

Originally posted by jonty30
How did he kill them? I don't have a comics store nearby, so I can't get to read them as often as I want.

Superman went into an alternate universe where 3 kryptonians had killed just about everyone on earth. There was no one left and Superman knew that they might one day get to his earth. So he exposed them to kryptonite. Since it was a different universe the kryptonite didn't affect him, but it killed them.

Caleb

12-31-2003, 05:15 PM

Originally posted by Mr. X
Yeah, I definitly agree with you on that Varient. As Guyverjay has said in the past, even Superman has been knocked out in 2 hits before when he wasnt expecting it, by Captain Marvel. And I remember when Doc Sampson tricked The Hulk, and then hit him with this punch that almost took his head off, knocking him out. But as you said, he totally wasnt expecting it...

But, Im going to have to disagree with what you said earlier about The Hulk being able too be killed easily when he's not angry. People have tried to drown him several times when he's at his weakest, it hasnt ever worked, not even when The Juggernaut tryed, The Hulk still got out of it. The Bi Beast tryed to fry him by boiling the blood in his body, and it almost worked, but The Hulk got out of it. Gas has been able to knock him out in the past, I'll admit that, but he can hold his breath for hours on end, which he has taken advantage of at times, that also goes into account when trying to drown him. And he's been frozen completly, blood and all before, off guard, and he's gotten out of it. As Iv said before, The Hulk literally always finds a way, no matter what...

Didn't Wolverine take out the Hulk once?

12-31-2003, 05:20 PM

Never really taken him down, per say. When he fought Wolverine in Hulk. 340, he was Grey, and Wolverine literally just about cut his heart out. Hulk healed, and was about to have another go at Wolverine when the fight got stopped. Wolverine once stabbed The Hulk in the eyes, but he healed up fast...

Guyverjay

12-31-2003, 06:08 PM

Superman made them suffer instead of killing them quickly and painlessly:o

12-31-2003, 06:34 PM

In the end of Dark Knight Strikes again I believe he might of killed some people. He did blow up a couple of those fighter plane things...I know its not continuity, just felt like bringing it up...

Spider-Hulk

01-01-2004, 11:10 AM

Originally posted by Mr. X
Never really taken him down, per say. When he fought Wolverine in Hulk. 340, he was Grey, and Wolverine literally just about cut his heart out. Hulk healed, and was about to have another go at Wolverine when the fight got stopped. Wolverine once stabbed The Hulk in the eyes, but he healed up fast...
again though, when you mention that, Grey Hulk was calm and was not expecting it. Many a time Hulk has been taken down when not expecting it. Wolvie slashed the Hulks eyes and took them out but they grew back, recently Hawkeye shot the Hulk in the eyes and the arrows actually broke when they hit. So basically when the Hulk is ready, he can take pretty much anything. Gas and not ready are the two biggest vulnerabilities he has.

As for Varient, it was me that said Grey Hulk stands the best chance of beating Supes and I stick to that. He has the weakest base strength (75 tons) when compared to the Green and Merged Hulk's, but he still has unlimited strength, not to mention a really really bad attitude, like Mr X mentioned look what he did to that wrestler that called himself "the incredible Hulk". So technically he is not the weakest. And he is tough as hell. I believe his encounter with Cosmic Spidey was mentioned? The Captain Universe power, increases the strength of the wielder by a factor of 50. So if you do the math Class 10 x 50 = Class 500.

Anybody else would have been killed after taking a blow like that. Hulk not only survived, but if Im not mistaken still was conscious when he was up in orbit.

Superman's main advantage IMO are his ability to fly and Super Speed, other than that like guvey said, Hulk would pummel Superman to a pulp.

War Lord

01-01-2004, 11:20 AM

Originally posted by Spider-Hulk
again though, when you mention that, Grey Hulk was calm and was not expecting it. Many a time Hulk has been taken down when not expecting it. Wolvie slashed the Hulks eyes and took them out but they grew back, recently Hawkeye shot the Hulk in the eyes and the arrows actually broke when they hit. So basically when the Hulk is ready, he can take pretty much anything. Gas and not ready are the two biggest vulnerabilities he has.

As for Varient, it was me that said Grey Hulk stands the best chance of beating Supes and I stick to that. He has the weakest base strength (75 tons) when compared to the Green and Merged Hulk's, but he still has unlimited strength, not to mention a really really bad attitude, like Mr X mentioned look what he did to that wrestler that called himself "the incredible Hulk". So technically he is not the weakest. And he is tough as hell. I believe his encounter with Cosmic Spidey was mentioned? The Captain Universe power, increases the strength of the wielder by a factor of 50. So if you do the math Class 10 x 50 = Class 500.

Anybody else would have been killed after taking a blow like that. Hulk not only survived, but if Im not mistaken still was conscious when he was up in orbit.

Superman's main advantage IMO are his ability to fly and Super Speed, other than that like guvey said, Hulk would pummel Superman to a pulp.

I would tend to agree that the Gray Hulk has the best chance, because there isn't anything he wouldn't do to win a fight.

Senyaka

01-01-2004, 12:38 PM

Savage Hulk takes this one. When the Hulk gets angry his strength has no limits, Superman will not power-up when he gets angry.

Spider-Hulk

01-01-2004, 01:21 PM

Originally posted by jonty30
I would tend to agree that the Gray Hulk has the best chance, because there isn't anything he wouldn't do to win a fight.
Exactly my point, he would do anything to beat Superman. Plus the fact he is still the Hulk and we all know Grey Hulk can pack a punch just as good as the Green Hulk, when the situation calls for it.

01-01-2004, 04:29 PM

I know Spider-Hulk, I was just saying... :)

Spider-Hulk

01-01-2004, 04:35 PM

I know, a true Hulk fan you are too! :D

:hulk:

Varient

01-01-2004, 04:36 PM

Guyverjay

01-01-2004, 04:36 PM

I'm not I just argue for the underdog and constantly flip flop on a whim:D

01-01-2004, 04:41 PM

Another thing, The Hulk has actually survived a atomic explosion, 25 megatons I believe, ground zero. He was actually on top of it, and it went off and he had no physical damage, then he smashed into the ground from I dont know how many miles up. I just felt like bringing that up because most Marvel handbooks say he cant survive something like that, and Superman has survived things like that in the past...

War Lord

01-01-2004, 05:15 PM

Originally posted by Mr. X
Another thing, The Hulk has actually survived a atomic explosion, 25 megatons I believe, ground zero. He was actually on top of it, and it went off and he had no physical damage, then he smashed into the ground from I dont know how many miles up. I just felt like bringing that up because most Marvel handbooks say he cant survive something like that, and Superman has survived things like that in the past...

Regardless of how tough Hulk is, I think he would die in space because of no air.

Guyverjay

01-01-2004, 05:18 PM

Lack of oxygen causes brain damage but whose to say that his brain wouldn't keep healing constantly. Keeping him alive in a catatonic state until he gets found, hits a planet etc?

01-01-2004, 05:18 PM

He can hold his breath for hours on end...and he's been in space, with NO air, several times before. He always gets out of it...

01-01-2004, 05:19 PM

Excellent point Guyverjay. The Abomination used to do that...

War Lord

01-01-2004, 05:24 PM

Originally posted by guyverjay
Lack of oxygen causes brain damage but whose to say that his brain wouldn't keep healing constantly. Keeping him alive in a catatonic state until he gets found, hits a planet etc?

That actually is a point I need to consider.

War Lord

01-01-2004, 05:26 PM

Originally posted by Mr. X
He can hold his breath for hours on end...and he's been in space, with NO air, several times before. He always gets out of it...

Aside from what Guverjay said, Superman could put Hulk into deep space and make it near impossible to return. Perhaps on a planet where he's by himself.

01-01-2004, 05:29 PM

Thats plausible, but once again, he would just end up back on Earth some day...

Not trying to be an ass, but Dr. Strange tryed it. He looked for a long time for a dimension where he could put The Hulk where he could do no harm, and eventually found the crossroads of infinity. He put him there, and he stayed there for a while. He eventually found his way back to Earth though...Thats kind of what I mean by "He always finds a way..."

Guyverjay

01-01-2004, 05:31 PM

Plus if he couldn't, Banner could.

War Lord

01-01-2004, 05:33 PM

Originally posted by Mr. X
Thats plausible, but once again, he would just end up back on Earth some day...

Not trying to be an ass, but Dr. Strange tryed it. He looked for a long time for a dimension where he could put The Hulk where he could do no harm, and eventually found the crossroads of infinity. He put him there, and he stayed there for a while. He eventually found his way back to Earth though...Thats kind of what I mean by "He always finds a way..."

It kinda lends to my theory that Hulk may actually have trans-dimensional quality about him. It'd explain alot about his character and some of his more intrinsic abilities.

Guyverjay

01-01-2004, 05:34 PM

You mean his ability to see astral forms?

War Lord

01-01-2004, 05:36 PM

Originally posted by guyverjay
You mean his ability to see astral forms?

Also the fact that it isn't really explained where his increase in mass comes from. My own personal theory is that the Hulk existed prior to the gamma bomb and somehow Bruce got linked with him, but it is only a theory,

01-01-2004, 05:39 PM

Something Iv thought about at times as well, Bruce even mentioned something to that extent once. Check out the thread I just created over at Hulk World... :)

And The Hulk has many mystical quality's about him, one being when he's killed, he still exists somehow. The Maestro was able to do this and communicate with The Hulk, always leading him back to where the original gamma bomb was set off so The Hulks radiation could slowly help the Maestro reform...

Guyverjay

01-01-2004, 05:41 PM

Yeah now THAT is weird

I want to see the devil hulk unleashed:(

War Lord

01-01-2004, 05:42 PM

Marvel has also pretty much established that without Bruce, hulk doesn't really have a mind. So it's possible that Hulk may have been a killing machine in another dimension.

01-01-2004, 05:45 PM

Without Banner The Hulk was mindless for a while, but he still knew what he wanted. He still wanted a true friend, as shown with Zgorian, the spine parsite and The Puffball collective. And he was capable of compassion, he cryed a couple of times, and still knew how to find food, and remembered things like what foods where poisenous and such. He eventually learned how to speak again as well...The killing machine therory is interesting though...

Guyverjay

01-01-2004, 05:46 PM

You are quite right, he beocmes a mindless beast without banner BUT he also begins to die without him as well.

War Lord

01-01-2004, 05:48 PM

Originally posted by guyverjay
You are quite right, he beocmes a mindless beast without banner BUT he also begins to die without him as well.

That could be the result of the possible joining because of the gamma bomb, who knows what Hulk was like before that. Assuming he existed, of course.

01-01-2004, 05:49 PM

You want to know what else I always thought about? If The hulk mind was wiped by a physic or something (which would be hard to do but it still could be done) what would really happen? The Hulk literally has hundreds of differant personalitys..guilt, devil, grey, savage, mindless, and other obscure ones like a snake and clown hulk, shown in the recesses of Banners mind once. Wouldent one of them just take over? But if the Devil Hulk was unleashed, the world would literally end. It took the savage hulk, the grey hulk, and the professor just too subdue the guilt hulk.... :eek:

01-01-2004, 05:50 PM

Remember when Banner commited mental suicide and complety mentally retreated? The Hulk was still able to live without any influence what so ever from Banner, but yeah, once there seperated Hulk does start to die...

Guyverjay

01-01-2004, 05:50 PM

and they were actually SCARED of him.

War Lord

01-01-2004, 05:52 PM

Originally posted by Mr. X
You want to know what else I always thought about? If The hulk mind was wiped by a physic or something (which would be hard to do but it still could be done) what would really happen? The Hulk literally has hundreds of differant personalitys..guilt, devil, grey, savage, mindless, and other obscure ones like a snake and clown hulk, shown in the recesses of Banners mind once. Wouldent one of them just take over? But if the Devil Hulk was unleashed, the world would literally end. It took the savage hulk, the grey hulk, and the professor just too subdue the guilt hulk.... :eek:

The professor is just simply Bruce Banner in control of the Hulk, probably in many ways, the best Hulk. Who wouldn't want to be 9 feet tall, 1000 lbs and have a genius IQ. Forgive me, who is the devil hulk and is it possible that he might really be Hulk's real personality without the mediating influence of Bruce?

01-01-2004, 05:53 PM

Bio's...just because I feel like adding them... :)

Incarnation: Devil Hulk

Creator(s): Paul Jenkins and Ron Garney
First Appearance: The Incredible Hulk Vol.3 #12
Description: This incarnation has never manifested in the real world, but Banner has met it during his voyages through his subconciouss.

The Devil Hulk is the embodyment of all that's evil, and dark inside of Banner. It is even against all that was good in Banner's life.

The Devil Hulk has the appearance of a demon. His strength and intellect were not yet revealed, but it may be safe to assume that his intellect is like Banner's, a genius.

The Devil Hulk nearly burst free (Banner turned into it) during the days when Bruce was suffering from Amyotropic Lateral Sclerosis (from TIH3 #12 until TIH3 #32). But Banner was able to subdue him. Nevertheless, the Devil Hulk is now free from the "chains" that locked him, and he may come out someday.
Heigth: ~ 10 ft (3 m)
Width: ~ 2,000 lb (907 Kg)
Eyes: Green
Hair: None
Skin: Orange

http://www.hulklibrary.com/hulk/images/characters/hulk-inc-devil.jpg

Incarnation: Guilt Hulk

Creator(s): Paul Jenkins and Ron Garney
First Appearance: The Incredible Hulk Vol.3 #12
Description: This incarnation has never manifested in the real world, but Banner has met it during his voyages through his subconciouss.

The Guilt Hulk represents all the (you guessed it) guilt that Banner felt because he was unable to save his mother's life when his father killed her, a torment that build over the years.

The Devil Hulk has the appearance of a demon, and he is about 20 meters tall. His strength and intellect were not yet revealed, but it is safe to assume that his strenght is greater than the Savage Hulk's (more than 100 tons), and his intellect is like the Mindless Hulk (similar to a primitive man).

The Guilt Hulk nearly burst free (Banner turned into it) during the days when Bruce was suffering from Amyotropic Lateral Sclerosis (from TIH3 #12 until TIH3 #32). But the combined might of the Savage Hulk, the Professor, and the Gray Hulk were able to subdue him. Nevertheless, the Guilt Hulk may come out anyday.
Heigth: ~ 66 ft (20.12 m)
Width: ~ 10,000 lb (4.5 tons)
Eyes: Green
Hair: None
Skin: Green

http://www.hulklibrary.com/hulk/images/characters/hulk-inc-guilt.jpg

Guyverjay

01-01-2004, 05:54 PM

The guilt hulk is scary as hell

War Lord

01-01-2004, 05:58 PM

Sounds like the guilt hulk is worse than the devil hulk.

Do they have any known powers that the hulk doesn't possess?

Guyverjay

01-01-2004, 06:01 PM

Not alot is know about the guilt hulk, Only that is is bigger stronger and has a rage unlike any hulk that exists. Plus it took the 3 core hulks to stop him from emerging AND that are all **** scared of him. Considering that the hulk is scared of no one, he must a bad mofo

01-01-2004, 06:03 PM

I cant even begin to imagine... :( :eek:

Remember you said Thanos marched into Asgard and fought Odin? Hulk did the same thing. :D Called him names the whole time as well... :D Dont you find it funny how Hulk has a name for everyone? Purple Puss=Thanos...Fish Man=Namor...and so on... :D

War Lord

01-01-2004, 06:04 PM

Originally posted by guyverjay
Not alot is know about the guilt hulk, Only that is is bigger stronger and has a rage unlike any hulk that exists. Plus it took the 3 core hulks to stop him from emerging AND that are all **** scared of him. Considering that the hulk is scared of no one, he must a bad mofo

Considering it took practically all of Marvel heroes to tackle the Hulk, when he was split from Bruce, it sounds like nobody less than a celestial could stop him.

01-01-2004, 06:06 PM

If the guilt Hulk has the same rage strength increase, I wouldent count on it...

Check this out...

http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/41321098996.12.GIF

http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/41321098996.13.GIF

Guyverjay

01-01-2004, 06:08 PM

Originally posted by Mr. X
I cant even begin to imagine... :( :eek:

Remember you said Thanos marched into Asgard and fought Odin? Hulk did the same thing. :D Called him names the whole time as well... :D Dont you find it funny how Hulk has a name for everyone? Purple Puss=Thanos...Fish Man=Namor...and so on... :D

Thor = Long hair
Superman= Silly cape man

:D

01-01-2004, 06:08 PM

And all of the Marvel hero's couldent tackle the mindless Hulk, he was Juggernaut'ish, they had to move him to the cross roads. He came close to killing Thor with a adamantium statue. Hulk 300 was so awesome though. Vision made himself 90 tons and hard as a diamond, Hulk just smashed him a couple of hundred feet into the ground, he took on everyone! Luke Cage, Thor, Iron Fist, Scarlet Witch, Namor, Wonder Man, Iron Man, Hercules, Sampson, and just about everyone else...

01-01-2004, 06:13 PM

http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/pages/41321098996.13.P1.GIF

http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/pages/41321098996.13.P2.GIF

http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/pages/41321098996.13.P3.GIF

Guyverjay

01-01-2004, 06:17 PM

God damn it I NEED TO PICK THESE UP!!!:mad:

War Lord

01-01-2004, 06:21 PM

That looked like it was a good comic. I liked the way the various Hulks compete against each other.

TheCorpulent1

01-01-2004, 10:25 PM

Originally posted by Mr. X
Remember when Banner commited mental suicide and complety mentally retreated? The Hulk was still able to live without any influence what so ever from Banner, but yeah, once there seperated Hulk does start to die...
No, when was this?

01-01-2004, 10:30 PM

He started losing it in Hulk. vol 2. 295 I believe, then by the time 300 rolled around Nightmare had tortured him bad enough mentally for Banner to commit "mental suicide". He was then sent to the cross roads in ish 300. Sorry if im a little sketchy, recounting all of this off the top of my head...

Bapman

01-01-2004, 10:42 PM

DAMMIT !!!
I WANT THOSE !!! I WANT I WANT !!!
Any IDEA from where I can get thm ??? n PLEASE don't say comic book store.
I meant... they are not in shelves or anywhere... sooo how can I get thm ???

01-01-2004, 11:18 PM

Uhh, try ebay, or milehighcomics.com...

XFanTim

01-02-2004, 06:03 AM

I think Superman would beat the Hulk, even though Hulk is probably stronger than Superman when Hulk is mad.

Superman would win because (1) He's faster, and (2) Hulk can't fly. All superman needs to do is grab Hulk before Hulk has a chance to hit him, and chuck him into space. I'm sure Superman has thrown large objects into space before. Hulk would have no way to ever get back down.

As for why Superman lost to Doomsday, I don't know, I didn't read that book (I don't read much D.C.). Can Doomsday fly? If so, maybe the writers made Superman fight stupidly, or maybe they just thought Doomsday was too fast for the trick I'm suggesting to work. I don't know what Doomsday's powers were besides strength and durability.

Speaking of stupid writing, the Marvel vs. D.C. crossover was absolute crap. Several of the fights played out in totally stupid and oversimplified ways, basically with the characters just pounding on each other until someone collapsed (see Hulk v. Superman), or just charging at each other until someone blew up (see Surfer v. Green Lantern), or by rolling around on the freakin' floor (see Wolverine v. Lobo). Plus, while I agree Batman beats Captain America, Batman would win with his *brain*, not by just fighting him to a stand still hand-to-hand and then getting a lucky toss with the batarang. Anyway, I wouldn't base any arguments on that crummy writing.

And yeah, Surfer would destroy Superman easy, by sucking all the energy out of him. You think Superman is only vulnerable to kryptonite? Please.

Edit: Oops, I didn't notice quite how many pages there were on this thread. I guess no one's even talking about Hulk vs. Superman anymore. Oh, well. Supes would still win.]

Spider-Hulk

01-02-2004, 06:47 AM

Originally posted by guyverjay
God damn it I NEED TO PICK THESE UP!!!:mad:
Me too.

You see that, Grey Hulk nearly wet himself when Bruce started walking over to the Guilt Hulk. That just goes to prove how scary the Guilt Hulk must be, if Mr Fixit was afraid of him, he must be a piece of work!

Caleb

01-14-2004, 02:39 PM

Originally posted by XFanTim
I think Superman would beat the Hulk, even though Hulk is probably stronger than Superman when Hulk is mad.

Superman would win because (1) He's faster, and (2) Hulk can't fly. All superman needs to do is grab Hulk before Hulk has a chance to hit him, and chuck him into space. I'm sure Superman has thrown large objects into space before. Hulk would have no way to ever get back down.

As for why Superman lost to Doomsday, I don't know, I didn't read that book (I don't read much D.C.). Can Doomsday fly? If so, maybe the writers made Superman fight stupidly, or maybe they just thought Doomsday was too fast for the trick I'm suggesting to work. I don't know what Doomsday's powers were besides strength and durability.

Speaking of stupid writing, the Marvel vs. D.C. crossover was absolute crap. Several of the fights played out in totally stupid and oversimplified ways, basically with the characters just pounding on each other until someone collapsed (see Hulk v. Superman), or just charging at each other until someone blew up (see Surfer v. Green Lantern), or by rolling around on the freakin' floor (see Wolverine v. Lobo). Plus, while I agree Batman beats Captain America, Batman would win with his *brain*, not by just fighting him to a stand still hand-to-hand and then getting a lucky toss with the batarang. Anyway, I wouldn't base any arguments on that crummy writing.

And yeah, Surfer would destroy Superman easy, by sucking all the energy out of him. You think Superman is only vulnerable to kryptonite? Please.

Edit: Oops, I didn't notice quite how many pages there were on this thread. I guess no one's even talking about Hulk vs. Superman anymore. Oh, well. Supes would still win.]

Superman didn't lose to Doomsday. It was a tie since they techniquely killed each other. The reason Superman died is because he used too much hand to hand fighting against Doomsday.

02-08-2004, 07:30 PM

You know what, under further review I agree with Superman beating The Professor Hulk in Marvel vs. DC... Superman, as he said himself, was going all out, and even so he barely beat The Professor. Superman said "I gave him everything I had, and he almost took it." Now think about it... The Professor has a fixed strength level, a little bit above class 100 I believe, his skin wasnt anywhere near being invurnable, and he had the mind of Banner. Having the mind of Banner isnt a bad thing, but in a fight against Superman it would be better if the Savage Hulk was running the game mentally. First of all, Banner isnt nearly agressive enough. He doesent take advantage all the time, The Savage Hulk always capitalizes on his enemy's mistakes and takes advantage of there weaknesse's... Not to mention he's a lot more brutal, and would keep going long after the mind of Banner would have quit...

Plus, he would still have the occasionel Banner brilliance occuring to him in the fight. Meaning, if Supes did something which somehow left him open, or made it so something could be taken advantage of, The Savage Hulk would act on it, doing something uncharacter like that was very, very intelligent. And the savage hulk is crafty enough as it is... I personally think this is some of the most conclusive evidence yet that The Hulk could indeed beat Superman...

TheCorpulent1

02-08-2004, 11:23 PM

I agree that Superman could probably take the Professor Hulk but, as with the Superman/Thor fight, I think the execution was utter BS. Superman beat the Professor with a big blast of heat vision, which is retarded given the Professor's encounters with the U-Foes. X knows the one I'm talking about in particular and has pictures, I believe. :)

02-08-2004, 11:28 PM

Yup... :)

If anyone wants to see them, head over here...

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=97529

And yeah, The Thor vs. Supes match was pretty much crap. Admittably, the fight could go either way, but it should of at least run through a whole comic, at least. I mean, it should of been a little bit more dedicated, like The Hulk vs. Thor #385... the fights up, down, up down, variables thrown in, up, down, more variables, then the conclusion, preferably with a n ending that allows fans of both characters to claim a victory. Shouldent of been as short or as weak as it was. How long did we wait for a Superman-Thor fight anyhow??? :mad:

GAMMA MONSTER

02-09-2004, 02:15 AM

Hulk will eventulaly beat superman

GAMMA MONSTER

02-09-2004, 09:35 AM

but it depends on which Hulk

DBM

02-09-2004, 11:41 AM

I'll admit to not having read this whole thread so if my point has been made before, ignore this.

Originally posted by Mr. X
Thats plausible, but once again, he would just end up back on Earth some day...

Not trying to be an ass, but Dr. Strange tryed it. He looked for a long time for a dimension where he could put The Hulk where he could do no harm, and eventually found the crossroads of infinity. He put him there, and he stayed there for a while. He eventually found his way back to Earth though...Thats kind of what I mean by "He always finds a way..."

I seem to remember reading somewhere, the Hulk Encyclopedia maybe, that the Hulk can always find his way back to the place where the bomb that created him initially exploded.

GAMMA MONSTER

02-09-2004, 01:26 PM

thats true

02-09-2004, 02:41 PM

Yup, he can. It was later revealed that it was actually the spirit of The Maestro calling him back so he could reform, thats also why The Hulk can supposedly see astral forms. Wasnt every revealed as being the truth though, because even after the Maestro was brought back he could still se astral forms and find his way back to the gamma bomb testing site...

TheCorpulent1

02-10-2004, 07:10 PM

But how? If Superman threw him into space, he'd have no method of propelling himself, much less stopping himself from continuing on in the direction Superman threw him indefinitely.

02-10-2004, 07:15 PM

He'd grab onto an asteroid, crash into a planet, or go comatase for a hundred years and then awake on some distant planet. When he awoke, he would be completly mindless, ala Doomsday. He would start rampaging across worlds, killing everything, and this would continue for a couple of years. He would get onto ships and what not, find his way to other planets, and continue. He would someday come back into contact with Earth, forcing Supes to come out of retirement, and a re match would be in order!!! :D

That's pretty damned good if you ask me, I should submit it or something... :D

TheCorpulent1

02-10-2004, 07:18 PM

Sounds like a good story, except for one thing ...

What if in that part about crashing into a planet, he ends up crashing into a sun and getting cooked alive? :p

02-10-2004, 07:44 PM

He'd come out the other side little gamma bits, that would eventually reform during there long journey through space. They would reform in the wrong way though, and you'd have a Hulk with an ass on his head and nipples on his chin... :D

Xan-El

02-12-2004, 01:21 AM

Superman would put a hurtin on the Hulk! Superman hands down!!!

TheCorpulent1

02-12-2004, 11:17 AM

Originally posted by Mr. X
He'd come out the other side little gamma bits, that would eventually reform during there long journey through space. They would reform in the wrong way though, and you'd have a Hulk with an ass on his head and nipples on his chin... :D
Ewww. :o

GammaBeast

02-12-2004, 11:52 PM

Originally posted by TheCorpulent1
But how? If Superman threw him into space, he'd have no method of propelling himself, much less stopping himself from continuing on in the direction Superman threw him indefinitely.

Wouldn't he be able to punch or kick in a certain direction to control his movement, considering the force and speed of his punches and kicks the intertia could probably carry him in a certain direction.

02-12-2004, 11:54 PM

He would just thunder clap. He would just do it all day as well, wouldent bother him either because you wouldent be able to hear it in space. It would be like how we swim backwards... :D

GAMMA MONSTER

02-12-2004, 11:59 PM

interesting

GammaBeast

02-13-2004, 12:00 AM

Originally posted by Xan-El
Superman would put a hurtin on the Hulk! Superman hands down!!!

I wish people would put reasons instead of just saying who they think would win.

My money as always is on the Hulk. He has more than proven he has the strength to hurt superman, he isn't as slow as most people seem to think(though nowhere near supes speed), he never tires(which is an advantage because as we all know supes eventually tires and becomes vulnerable) and he can come back and heal from pretty much any injury. Unless Superman took him out fast the fight would go more and more in favor of the Hulk, I forget which hulk editor said "Time is always on the Hulk's side".

GAMMA MONSTER

02-13-2004, 12:03 AM

THAT WAS TOM DELFALCO I BELEIVE

02-13-2004, 12:04 AM

The Hulk's fast enough. He's never had problems tagging people like Quicksilver, Super Sabra, Speed Freak, and so on. He once even snagged The Silver Surfer off of his board when he was going several thousand miles per hour. And The Hulk can run over 300 miles per hour, has been documented jumping 473 miles per hour, and cun punch at Mach 3. Superman's super speed is overrated anyhow... :o

GammaBeast

02-13-2004, 12:07 AM

Originally posted by GAMMA MONSTER
THAT WAS TOM DELFALCO I BELEIVE

I checked and indeed it was, he wrote the incredible hulk guide which is where I read it.

The hulk is fast, but you must admit supes is quite a bit faster.

02-13-2004, 12:09 AM

Superman is way, way faster. Im just saying...

He never really use's it to his advantage. I mean, even normal people dont have problem's tagging him with laser's, rockets, whatever. He's just so over powered all of his powers can never be efficently used...

GAMMA MONSTER

02-13-2004, 12:12 AM

where as Hulk has just the right amount of powers;) :D

02-13-2004, 12:13 AM

Very true... :D http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif

GammaBeast

02-13-2004, 12:14 AM

True it is hard to use all his powers in conjunction.

Xan-El

02-13-2004, 01:26 AM

Hulk not that dumb to take on Flyng man with cape!

TheCorpulent1

02-13-2004, 01:57 AM

Originally posted by Mr. X
He would just thunder clap. He would just do it all day as well, wouldent bother him either because you wouldent be able to hear it in space. It would be like how we swim backwards... :D
Doesn't a thunder clap--or any motion, for that matter--require some air molecules to propel something? Last time I checked, space was a vacuum. Unless you count a few quarks, which I doubt will be able to help Hulk out much. :o

ohwattagosiam

02-13-2004, 08:56 AM

Originally posted by TheCorpulent1
Doesn't a thunder clap--or any motion, for that matter--require some air molecules to propel something? Last time I checked, space was a vacuum. Unless you count a few quarks, which I doubt will be able to help Hulk out much. :o

Yep, it sure does. However, I'm not entirely sure whether space is a vacuum. I think it does have oxygen in it, it's just that we don't have the (lung) strength to breathe it. I could be wrong, but I seem to remember reading about it in a common misconceptions type article. Also, quashed the thing about the moon having no gravity, when in fact it's just 6.5 times less than our own (i.e. say you can only jump 5 feet up in the air on Earth, then on the Moon you should be able to jump around 30 feet up).

TheCorpulent1

02-13-2004, 10:48 AM

I knew the moon had gravity. I'd heard it before and I had to calculate the stupid thing in physics. :o

I'm not so sure about the space thing. I know space has particles and maybe atoms in it, but is it enough for something like a thunder-clap to take advantage of? I don't think it'd create the necessary resistance to push the Hulk back at all. He'd just be sitting there clapping mute and impotently. :o

GammaBeast

02-13-2004, 02:40 PM

XFanTim

02-13-2004, 04:27 PM

Originally posted by GammaBeast
Wouldn't he be able to punch or kick in a certain direction to control his movement, considering the force and speed of his punches and kicks the intertia could probably carry him in a certain direction.

I don't think so. Basically, if I understand correctly, you're suggesting the Hulk could propel himself by recoil forces. I.e. when you punch really hard your muscle's exert a very great force on the bones in your arm, so your arm also exerts a great force on your muscles, causing a recoil. However, the net force experienced by the Hulk from this interaction would include both the force of his muscle's on his arm and the equal and opposite force of his arm on his muscles, so the total force would be zero! This is why a bodies acceleration times it's mass is equal to the (vector) sum of all *external* forces acting on the body. Internal forces naturally cancel eachother out.

Perhaps you're not suggesting he'd propel himself by recoil forces at all, but rather the opposite. Namely that he can punch so hard that his whole body gets essentially dragged along behind his fist. Your mention of "inertia" makes me think you might have actually meant this. In any case, it's still not true, because you're neglecting the "recoil forces" I just mentioned. Unless the Hulk has something to push or pull against, he can't cause himself to experience a net force.

Of course, lot's of other physically impossible things happen in comics all the time, so maybe he could do it.

TheCorpulent1

02-14-2004, 07:01 AM

Originally posted by GammaBeast
The thunder clap I believe would require air, but my suggestion of punching or kicking in a certain direction could work since basic propulsion can take place in space(otherwise we couldn't launch shuttles).
Ok, this question may sound intelligent or completely ignorant, but here goes: shuttles have internal propulsion that's not dependent on the conditions of their surroundings, don't they?

GAMMA MONSTER

02-15-2004, 12:17 AM

BUT ARNT PART OF HULKS THUNDERCLAPS ENERGY

GammaBeast

02-15-2004, 12:19 AM

The claps are sonic waves from the force of his hands slamming together.

TheCorpulent1

02-15-2004, 02:15 AM

Sonic waves need to bounce off stuff to have any effect though.

gl_summers

02-15-2004, 11:52 AM

Originally posted by guyverjay

bollocks??? are you english? anyway, if the two people used their powers wisely, superman would obviously win. but in comics, they don't and superman would try and fist fight him, so it could go either way. p.s. pre crises superman wins easily. if he can push the moon out of its orbit hulk is toast........he wouldn't have anytime to get angry, he would be dead.

gl_summers

02-15-2004, 11:55 AM

and to the person who suggested punching and kicking in space to move your body.....honestly, if you don't understand physics, don't use it your argument.
what would work is tearing off his own arm and throwing it away from him. it'd grow back anyway.

gl_summers

02-18-2004, 12:02 PM

look, you can talk about different cross overs being false and everything else, but the simple fact is...given superman's range of powers he should win. the best hulk can get is a draw, unless superman makes a big mistake. also, when it comes to feats of strength, moving the moon out of its orbit is MUCH more impressive than holding up a mountain. If you don't believe me, then ask your teacher.

GammaBeast

02-18-2004, 01:15 PM

The hulk has done more than just lifting the mountain, he destroyed a meteor twice the size of the earth. You need to remember his strength has no limits.

It depends on what hulk he is fighting, we'll say the savage hulk. He could obtain much better than a draw.

02-18-2004, 09:35 PM

Superman went all out and used a good deal of his powers against the Professor, and he just barely won then... He said himself, "Im not holding back" and "He took everything I had, and almost took it". The Savage Hulk could beat him...why dont you scroll through the last couple of pages and see some of the valid points I and others made on The Hulks behalf???

Guyverjay

02-18-2004, 09:42 PM

Originally posted by gl_summers
bollocks??? are you english?

*looks at location*

:)

spider-jide

02-19-2004, 07:37 AM

In a straight fight hulk will pulverise superman without any doubt.

GL1

02-19-2004, 10:27 AM

If Superman could get under hulk he might be able to toss him into space... I don't see Superman pounding Savage Hulk to death... heck... I don't see ANYthing ever pounding hulk to death...

DBM

02-19-2004, 11:11 AM

Originally posted by TheCorpulent1
Sonic waves need to bounce off stuff to have any effect though.

True. Sound waves must have a medium in which to travel through. Typically, as we think of it, this means air. Anything will work though as long as the vibration can happen, i.e. water, walls, string etc.

You can go here to see the Hulk himself explain it for the most part. He's against Gladiator, who is pretty much Superman level.

http://img15.photobucket.com/albums/v44/guyverjay/The_Incredible_Hulk_Annual_1997_-_15.jpg
http://img15.photobucket.com/albums/v44/guyverjay/The_Incredible_Hulk_Annual_1997_-_16.jpg

Many thanks to guyverjay for the scans.

TheCorpulent1

02-19-2004, 12:34 PM

Yeah, but space is a medium unlike any on Earth. The air is the thinnest medium on Earth and it's swarming with nitrogen, hydrogen, and oxygen (and I'm sure a bunch of other ones I don't know about) atoms. Space has a few disparate quarks and stuff. I don't think that'd be enough for Hulk to use the thunderclap.

GammaBeast

02-19-2004, 12:41 PM

Originally posted by TheCorpulent1
Yeah, but space is a medium unlike any on Earth. The air is the thinnest medium on Earth and it's swarming with nitrogen, hydrogen, and oxygen (and I'm sure a bunch of other ones I don't know about) atoms. Space has a few disparate quarks and stuff. I don't think that'd be enough for Hulk to use the thunderclap.

I guess it would depend on two things, exactly how far out into space they are, and exactly how hard the Hulk slams his hands together.

gl_summers

02-21-2004, 07:50 PM

he could thunderclap, but due to the lack of particles, it would achieve F**K all.

GAMMA MONSTER

02-24-2004, 07:48 PM

who says superman can get him into space

Guyverjay

02-24-2004, 07:49 PM

Originally posted by GAMMA MONSTER
who says superman can get him into space

Well gladiator was a millisecond away from acheiving that

also what you guys are forgetting is that even though his thunderclap won't produce a sonic boom the fact that he his hitting you in the temples is going to make you let him go ala gladiator

02-24-2004, 09:03 PM

The Hulk could of thunder clapped Gladiator's head anytime he wanted to...he was staring right down at him when he started...then he stated, I have about 3 seconds to do something... The Savage Hulk wouldent let anyone get him up that far, I just think the mind of Banner was trying to come up with the most effective approach to the situation... The Savage Hulk would wrap his hands around whoever was trying to fly him up then and try to choke the ****ing life out of him, all the way through re entry and probably right through the crash back to Earth...

Guyverjay

02-25-2004, 07:12 AM

To be honest gladiator had taken him to the edge of earths atmosphere in ONE panel. Banner had to quickly think of something because choking a guy who doesn't have to breathe wouldn't achieve a whole lot. The savage Hulk wouldn't have made glads let go in time imo

Glads had options as well, he could have heat visioned hulk in the face while flying him up.

02-25-2004, 02:42 PM

One panel? :confused:

He flew off with him, then The Hulk started to think, and so on... It was more then one panel...

The Gladiator could of done the same thing, heat vision The hulk on the way up, but he didnt. I dont think that would go through Supes mind in that span of time when he's trying to carry a raging 1,200 pound monster into space... And if The Hulk started choking Superman, he would start feeling it... The only reason he can breath in space and such is because his bio matrix force field acts like a life support system, and enraged Hulk choking him would probably affect him... If not, The Hulk would just thunderclap him and punch in the face...

Nylen

02-25-2004, 03:05 PM

SUPERMAn did win in the 1996 DC//Marvel Crossover, due to his heatvision which in it's turn weakened the HuLk, making him gettin' all whuupe'd N **** like Zzat ((= That ))

02-25-2004, 04:03 PM

He beat The Professor, and even then he barely beat him... as he said, he wasnt holding back. And, he also said... "He took everything I had and almost took it". If thats how Superman fared against the Professor, I think The Savage Hulk stands a very, very good chance against Supes...

Guyverjay

02-25-2004, 06:31 PM

Originally posted by Mr. X
One panel? :confused:

He flew off with him, then The Hulk started to think, and so on... It was more then one panel...

No, it was one panel amounting to around 2 or 3 seconds of time. While hulk was thinking he was already in the upper atmosphere

The Gladiator could of done the same thing, heat vision The hulk on the way up, but he didnt. I dont think that would go through Supes mind in that span of time when he's trying to carry a raging 1,200 pound monster into space...

Poor argument considering that I (not considered by many as the greatest hero of all time Superman ) thought of doing it.

And if The Hulk started choking Superman, he would start feeling it... The only reason he can breath in space and such is because his bio matrix force field acts like a life support system, and enraged Hulk choking him would probably affect him...

Choking is the act of restricting oxygen by squeezing the neck, supes doesn't have to breathe for hours so choking will do nothing. We are talking about roughly a 5 second window of time here

If not, The Hulk would just thunderclap him and punch in the face...

Assuming he could get off in time which he wouldn't if superman heat visioned him in the face from that close range on the way up.

gl_summers

02-26-2004, 09:06 AM

Originally posted by XFanTim
I don't think so. Basically, if I understand correctly, you're suggesting the Hulk could propel himself by recoil forces. I.e. when you punch really hard your muscle's exert a very great force on the bones in your arm, so your arm also exerts a great force on your muscles, causing a recoil. However, the net force experienced by the Hulk from this interaction would include both the force of his muscle's on his arm and the equal and opposite force of his arm on his muscles, so the total force would be zero! This is why a bodies acceleration times it's mass is equal to the (vector) sum of all *external* forces acting on the body. Internal forces naturally cancel eachother out.

Perhaps you're not suggesting he'd propel himself by recoil forces at all, but rather the opposite. Namely that he can punch so hard that his whole body gets essentially dragged along behind his fist. Your mention of "inertia" makes me think you might have actually meant this. In any case, it's still not true, because you're neglecting the "recoil forces" I just mentioned. Unless the Hulk has something to push or pull against, he can't cause himself to experience a net force.

Of course, lot's of other physically impossible things happen in comics all the time, so maybe he could do it.

Sure i already explained this......although i agree with everything XFAN has said here. punching kicking etc. will achieve nothing. however, there are a few things he could do.....
1) Tear off a body part and throw it away from himself. He would move in the opposite direction, the speed depending on the difference in mass between the remaining body and the piece thrown off and also the speed he throws the arm at .
2) Breath out his remaining oxygen, with his resulting speed in the opposite direction depending on his body's remaining mass (minus the oxygen) the mass of the remaining oxygen and the speed at which he breaths out. i.e. not likely to be very high, could take a LONGGGGGGGGGGGGGGgggggggggg time to get home.....

Bear in mind once he starts moving in one direction he will not stop unless another force acts upon him; he will continue to move at a constant velocity. So if he HAPPENS to be moving in the right direction (which would take some bloody good trig and awareness of the location of your position in relation to where you are going..) he will get to his destination........ EVENTUALLY!!!

gl_summers

02-26-2004, 09:13 AM

Originally posted by ohwattagosiam
Yep, it sure does. However, I'm not entirely sure whether space is a vacuum. I think it does have oxygen in it, it's just that we don't have the (lung) strength to breathe it. I could be wrong, but I seem to remember reading about it in a common misconceptions type article. Also, quashed the thing about the moon having no gravity, when in fact it's just 6.5 times less than our own (i.e. say you can only jump 5 feet up in the air on Earth, then on the Moon you should be able to jump around 30 feet up).

Space is a near perfect vacuum. There are very very few particles of anything. i forget the figure, but the number of particles per, say, 10,000 km^3 is negligable. So scratch that idea!
AS for the gravity issue.......... any two objects have a force of gravity between them. so if you are on the moon, there is a force of gravity pulling it toward you and you toward it. same as earth. only since the moon has a far smaller mass than the earth, the force of gravity is less. There is even a force of gravity between yourself and someone next to you. The force is very very very very small (a very large mass ius required for any significant force...)

Also the force decrease very quickly as the distance between the two objects increase......it is a inverse square relationship, i.e if you double the distance between the two objects, the force of gravity is 1/4th, if you triple the distance the force of gravity is 1/9th, a thousand times the distance means one millionth of the force and so forth.......
Damn all this physics is hurting my brain.

DBM

02-26-2004, 09:28 AM

Originally posted by gl_summers
Bear in mind once he starts moving in one direction he will not stop unless another force acts upon him; he will continue to move at a constant velocity. So if he HAPPENS to be moving in the right direction (which would take some bloody good trig and awareness of the location of your position in relation to where you are going..) he will get to his destination........ EVENTUALLY!!!

I would imagine that Banner could handle the trig without problem.

gl_summers

02-26-2004, 09:32 AM

hmmmmm..........i guess on paper. if he knew his exact location. and the exact location of the earth. to be honest, the actual maths wouldn't be that hard, banner would find it very easy i am sure....it is more the knowledge of his position and the position of the earth........the further away he is, the smaller the margin of error he will have....just a few degrees off and he'd miss by a mile.....

DevilHulk

03-15-2005, 08:40 PM

hulk wins, Superman loses badly.

superlurker

03-15-2005, 08:41 PM

Superman wins.

Thy Noble One

03-15-2005, 09:07 PM

Superman takes the victory.And why in the world are you reopening year old threads DevilHulk?

Dr.Fear

03-16-2005, 12:10 AM

[QUOTE=Marvin]It doesn't allways come done to who can bench press the most...eventhough that would be close.

it also comes down to things like gee I don't know, Hulk can't see him. heat vision to the retina. thousands of punches to the face and rib cage by someone about as strong as you are and never gets tired(all in one second) but you see the fight goes on longer than one second doesn't it.

Super scream into the eardrum. hulk can do the same wth his voice and hands

heat vision assult from an unreachable altitude. yeah thatll hurt the hulkhttp://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

freeze breath to the heart and brain to slow him down. how the **** is superman gonna do that, make heulk breath in his breath?

come on.

in all fairness though, he, for some reason couldn't do that to doomsday.

the real fight is indeed between Doomsday and Hulk.

FlavWhite

11-12-2006, 05:39 PM

BrianWilly

11-12-2006, 05:51 PM

How long can he last in the sun?

Hell, how long can he last in space? Hulk has to breathe. Superman doesn't.

For the win.

Arkady Rossovich

11-12-2006, 09:39 PM

I think Superman would win,but it would be the fight of his life.Even more so than Doomsday,the Hulk gets stronger as he gets angerier.Superman will always have a level head in battle,this will go to Clark`s advantage.

juggster-rules

11-13-2006, 04:59 PM

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/2777/hulkhogan3xl7.jpg

HULKSTER WINS !

Ultra-Herald9

11-14-2006, 09:27 PM

Simple as this....Superman may have all the flight stuff and heat vision, but if you're gonna go punch for punch, blow for blow with the hulk, Supes looses and looses BADLY!!! Remember what happened to him battling Doomsday? Worse here. Superman, as it was shown, has a limit to his strength. He even said that "just punching Doomsday hurts". History lesson: the Hulk has no limit to his strength. The longer it goes, the stronger he gets which means he could fight for weeks and when he stopped to eat, he'll be eating Superman's carcass!

I hate it when people compare Doomsday to Hulk because there are way to many flaws in this argument! First off Doomsday starts off on a Strength level above Superman(and WAY above Hulk)so thats one thing. Two Since Doomsday is Kryptonian He gets infinite stamina from constant nurishment from the Suns rays and Kryptonians can bypass other Kryptonians bioelectric aura's so Supes was taking double punisment since his durability was practically cut in half against Doomsday.

History Lesson:Superman starts off on a level FAR above Hulks starting level (example:Supes is easily in the billion ton range while Hulk had trouble merely bracing that Mountain in Secret Wars and Hulk was quite enraged at the time.) and it would take Hulk quite sometime before he even reaching a level where he could even do damage to Supes(Like I said before Superman shrugged off blows from Pre-crisis powered superboy Prime).

Zeu

11-14-2006, 10:35 PM

People often forget that Superman´s base strenght is thousands of tons above Hulk´s base strenght.

Superman helped shift earth from its orbit!

Hulk would have to get royally pissed and I mean "you-raped-killed-and-ate-my-Betty-and -stuffed-the-.rest-inside-of-a-refrigerato!" mad to reach Superman´s power level and by that time he would be floating somewhere in Jupiter´s orbit.

BrianWilly

11-15-2006, 02:32 AM

Exactment.

Sloth7d

11-15-2006, 02:49 AM

Silicon Surfer

11-15-2006, 03:32 AM

If I remember my physics right then F=m(v squared) which would mean that if Supermans punches traveled at 1000x the speed of the Hulks then they would hit 1,000,000x as hard. 10,000x as fast would in fact seem quite reasonable.

The Leaguer

11-15-2006, 03:55 AM

F = ma.

a is acceleration, which is meters-per-seconds-squared, not "v squared." If you want to relate velocity to acceleration, velocity is the derivative of acceleration.

Silicon Surfer

11-15-2006, 04:22 AM

Allright, after 30 years I chose the wrong formula and misremembered it. The formula I wanted is Kinetic Energy= 1/2 m (v squared) so 1000x as fast hits only 500,000x as hard.

BrianWilly

11-15-2006, 04:56 AM

E = MC Hammer?

The Leaguer

11-15-2006, 05:47 AM

Allright, after 30 years I chose the wrong formula and misremembered it. The formula I wanted is Kinetic Energy= 1/2 m (v squared) so 1000x as fast hits only 500,000x as hard.
You've got the formula right, but you're measuring the wrong thing. Kinetic energy doesn't measure how hard something hits something else. What you're thinking of is force.

US Agent

11-15-2006, 07:19 AM

First off let's clear this up real quick. Don't even use the Marvel Vs. Dc crossover because the outcomes of those fights were voted on by fans. we all know supes has more fans than Hulk. So there you go. Just like Wolverine Vs. Lobo, Lobo would kill logan! But wolvie has more fans! Same with Superboy Vs. Spidey, superboy would hand spidey his arse! Okay, I'm tired of people useing the "heat vision would fry Hulk, or whatever" Human Torche's supernova is stronger than supes heat vision and Hulk withsood that with no harm! and still had time to kick the F4's butts! The argument that states supes has a limit is the basis on which Hulk would win. He has no limit to his endurance, stamina, or strength when he's pissed. it has already been established that this (as far as comics are concerned) is fact. Hulk would kill Doomsday, the reason I say that is because each time doomsday dies and comes back, Hulk's strength would increase and Doomsady would have to adjust to that particular level. And as I said before he has no limit to where his level is. I'm not going to mention the Secret Wars "mountain" incident because I personally feel (and I am a Hulk fan, NOT a "fanboy") that it HAS benn established that he didn't pick that mountain up, he was bracing it, but his level of strength is greater than Supes. Oh and if you bring that Marvel Vs. Dc stuff up, since I have all of your attention (because this is a DC forum) why was Supes able to beat Juggy so easy? Juggy would KILL Supes worse tha Hulk or Doomsday! His powers are magic based, and we all know that Supes is allergic to magic almost as much as he is to kryptonite. So, that right there prooves again that the crossover was GARBAGE! Hulk would win in a close fight, ask Gladiator (marvel's equivolent to "big blue") he blew a hole through Hulk's chest and Hulk (in a matter of seconds) was completely healed. Oh and that's something else, Supes doesn't heal Hulk does! HULK FTW!

Goldeneye

11-15-2006, 07:35 AM

Geekiest thread ever....wow

Union Jack

11-15-2006, 02:45 PM

i do think superman would win eventually...but it woyldnt be an easy win...he'd have to use more brains than brawn in a long fight..or he'd have to go straight in for the kill (or at least a real good KO straight away to win..

supes has the tendency to draw out his fight get clobbered around for a bit then start fighting properly...against hulk he wouldnt have that at all...he'd havta go in for the quick win.

either way tho i think the man of steel takes this one.

US Agent

11-15-2006, 03:11 PM

Supes has been known to screw up and (ala Ben Grimm) let his pride get the best of him. That's why Hulk would win, because he has a nasty tendancy to do that and in this fight it would cost him! Big time!

Sloth7d

11-15-2006, 03:29 PM

I'm not going to mention the Secret Wars "mountain" incident because I personally feel (and I am a Hulk fan, NOT a "fanboy") that it HAS benn established that he didn't pick that mountain up, he was bracing it, but his level of strength is greater than Supes.
So picking up a mountain makes you stronger than a guy who pushes planets and throws continents into space?

Spike_x1

11-15-2006, 04:04 PM

FlavWhite

11-15-2006, 10:13 PM

Good point and we all have our opinions. Personally, I feel Hulk would win regardless if Supes puts his all into the first punch or whatever he tries to do. Just exactly can kill the Hulk anyway? What is he vunerable to?

Zeu

11-15-2006, 11:27 PM

Ironman once put all his suit´s reserve energy into one punch and managed to knock out Hulk.

Superman´s strenght>>>>> Ironman´s

US Agent

11-16-2006, 07:04 AM

Ultra-Herald9

11-16-2006, 07:11 AM

What did I say? Huh? Hulks has NO LIMITS TO HIS STRENGTH! If supes is said to move the planet, it is also said that the Hulk could destroy it with one blow! Like I said he is stronger than supes, no question! And as far as supes healing why didn't he heal while he was fighting Doomsday? That would have turned out to be a nifty trick for him and probably wouldn't have cost him his life. And is anybody gonna answer my question about supes Vs. Juggy inDc vs. marvel?

First off most people don't use out of continuity fights as a fact base. Second Hulk has the POTENTIAL to be stronger than Supes and no one is denying that but it would take to long for Hulk to get to a sufficient level of strength before he gets floored by Supes. Thirdly Supes regeneration wasn't used in that story BECAUSE HE WAS SUPPOSED TO DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!:cmad: :cmad: :cmad: Plus most writers ignore this power but he has it nonetheless.

US Agent

11-16-2006, 08:21 AM

Ultra-Herald9

11-16-2006, 09:06 AM

How long do you thinkit would take Hulk to get "ultra pissed"? And he wouldn't have to be THAT mad to be stronger than supes anyways. All I gotta say is that for supes to even be close in this fight it better be in the desert for his sake. And besides eventually he would get tired, and Hulk wouldn't that's why Hulk would win right there!

Shows how much you know about Superman.....Supes gets infinite stamina because his cells constantly renew from solar nourishment. And the Hulk has to get EXTREMELY(like at levels rarely seen) pissed to even reach anywhere near Supes Strength. Like its been said Hulk at base strength is a little over Class 100 strength and his most immpressive feat of raw strength was bracing a mountain while Post-crisis Supes has tossed entire mountains into space.

US Agent

11-16-2006, 09:51 AM

Okay shows how much about Hulk you know, the mountain that he supposedly "braced" don't even use that as a point of refence first of all, the current version of the Hulk which is semi-bannerless can get a whole hellof a lot madder quicker than you think there super-kid. I guess it just goes to show that you know about as much about Hulk as I do about superman. Like I said earlier, supes has a bad habit of losing his cool and fighting with his pride. he can't do that against Hulk! Hulk is stronger (or as you say has the capacity to) and more invulnerable than anyone he has ever fought! I'm gonna be outtie on this one because I'll just agree to disagree with this thread!

Zeu

11-16-2006, 10:56 AM

Thank you for showing us how little you know about Superman.

Spike_x1

11-16-2006, 02:39 PM

And here I thought there'd be some intelligent debates in this thread, but all I'm reading from US Agent is "Hulk is stronger just because he is." I don't see any proof of his physical superiority to Superman in the feats that your referencing; and considering that the DC/Marvel book wasn't in continuity, and the "Mountain-bracing" feat wasn't Hulk at his prime, I don't see how you can compare either character's true strength, let alone determine that Hulk would win without a doubt.

:confused:

Nightwing

11-16-2006, 03:12 PM

id say that the world would be destroyed before an outcome could be decided.it would be a very tough call.....hmmm id have to say hulk

Zeu

11-16-2006, 03:14 PM

Because?

Warhammer

11-16-2006, 03:21 PM

Nightwing

11-16-2006, 03:36 PM

Because?

Because that is my opinion...

bkhedr

11-16-2006, 03:37 PM

Not gonna stoop and get personal on you like you did on me:
I'll just say that it's a cop out to say that I've disrespected the hulk simply becuase I've pointed out that weaker characters have punched faster than he, that Superman is more durable, has taken more punishment then your regeneration/invulnerability and come back to win.

I've read for years and have a feel for feats,... the hulk cannot beat the current version of Superman,... period.

BTW,.. explain what Nightwing has to do with using a "thunderclap" against superman?

BTW2,... There was a comic where the Hulk and Thor had a throw down that tore up the landscape up north for weeks before the US government decided to try to end it by dropping nukes on them. Think it was the Maistro one shot.

BTW3,... So becuase I'm saying what I am about this fight, (After going on about Surfer Whooping on Superman in a previous thread.), you want to get personal with me?

Whatever.

That was Thor suffering from Warrior Madness (battle crazed and strength amplified ten times)

Warrior Madness Thor would take Supes head off

Standard Thor could not go toe to toe with the hulk (straight slugfest) for hours let alone days or weeks

Zeu

11-16-2006, 03:39 PM

Here´s how it is:
Superman´s base strenght >> Hulk´s base strenght
Superman´s speed >>>>>> Hulk´s speed
Superman´s range(heat vision/freezing breath) >>>> Hulk´s range

Superman has flight, speed, range and strenght on his side.
He also has the vivid memory of his fight with Doomsday in his head to remember him not to make mistakes when facing brutes.
And, hate it or like it, he has 1,000 years worth of experience in Valhala facing demons.alongside Wonder Woman and Thor.

Really..............

Zeu

11-16-2006, 03:40 PM

Because that is my opinion...

Based on?

Nightwing

11-16-2006, 03:45 PM

Based on?

thinking about the question and thinking hmmm who would i choose....oh i will choose hulk....

im not goona justify my answer to you so hassle someone else....its an open forum it didnt say anything about explaining why.....did it?

Mad Bull

11-16-2006, 03:50 PM

People fail to see that this match (In Supes case) does not solely rely on brute strength. Supes has a plethora of abilities that he can use against Hulk.

IMO, Superman would win.
Don't you Hulk fanboys quote me and talk all this crap about my opinion being wrong, either.
Lol, so, basically, you don't want to debate? :confused:

EDIT: I can't believe I've been missing this thread. It's one of my favorite match-ups.

Zeu

11-16-2006, 04:03 PM

thinking about the question and thinking hmmm who would i choose....oh i will choose hulk....

im not goona justify my answer to you so hassle someone else....its an open forum it didnt say anything about explaining why.....did it?

No, but it´s as fascinating as hearing someone say that, for instances, a donkey could defeat a bear, so endulge me..

bkhedr

11-16-2006, 04:04 PM