Official Swamp Thing Thread

[Nightcrawler17]

I thought since we just found out a new Swamp Thing ongoing series is starting in March, that I'd start a new thread about him. I want to start picking up some back issues of the old series, and I'm wondering some people's opinions about the series (I know Alan Moore had a long run, and I know he's a great writer, so how about some of the issues he didn't write, are they good too).

Some help would be great thanks!

[the defenders]

Swamp Thing is amazing all around. The Wrighston stuff is so cool! If you have money pick it up. Moore is good. This series looks interesting.

[Eric Draven]

If only DC would get going and reprint some of the Rick Veitch and Mark Millar runs on Swamp Thing, I wanna read those :mad:

[Nightcrawler17]

Come on Swamp Thing fans, help keep the thread alive for at least a while!

[Themanofbat]

While I am a bigger Man-Thing fan, I also love the Swamp Thing (I guess I have a thing for muck monsters).

Everyone talks about Millar & Moore during the before last series, but I really like it when Nancy Collins wrote the book for about 2 years in the early 100's. She brought back Arcane and really brought Swampy back to his swamp roots (no pun intended). I think it was right after her run that Swamp Thing became Vertigo.

The last series with Tefe had some promise, but the book obviously failed sales wise (like so many Vertigo books usually do, unfortunately), and you could tell that they just wrapped things up.... the senator's daughter storyline looked really good, but they cleaned that up in such a way that it didn't even make any sense.

Oh well.......

I can't wait for the new book.

[Nightcrawler17]

I picked up my first issues of Swamp Thing, and it's great! I can't wait until the new series starts in March too!

[Eric Draven]

Originally posted by Themanofbat


The last series with Tefe had some promise, but the book obviously failed sales wise (like so many Vertigo books usually do, unfortunately), and you could tell that they just wrapped things up.... the senator's daughter storyline looked really good, but they cleaned that up in such a way that it didn't even make any sense.

Oh well.......

I can't wait for the new book.

You're right, the senator's daughter storyline had so much promise. It freaked me out totally when it was revealed just how psychotic her father was. But then I too was disappointed when they just ended the thing with just a brief mention. If only the book sold better, then maybe there would've been a better resolution to the story. :mad:

[Atomic Angel]

I wonder id DC is relaunching Swamp Thing due to the upcoming Man-Thing movie. Things that make you go hmmmmmmmmmmnnnnnnnnn.

[Eric Draven]

Swamp Thing is a series that should've stayed around anyways. Hellblazer's been around for 190 plus issues, IMO Swamp Thing should've lasted that long as well...

[DavidTyler]

I haven't been a fan of that book since Berni and Len left it.

If they bring that feel back to the book, I'll pick it up again. If not, it's a major 'pass' on my part.

I'm an Alan Moore fan but I wasn't crazy about his take on the character. He has this tendency to turn all of his major characters into gods. I Like Swampy better as a brooding, self pitying monster who finds himself unique and alone in the world.

[kamillon66]

I loved the original movie and have a few of the issues of the original series. It's one of my favorite comic series to date

[Themanofbat]

Originally posted by Eric Draven
Swamp Thing is a series that should've stayed around anyways. Hellblazer's been around for 190 plus issues, IMO Swamp Thing should've lasted that long as well...

Yep... I don't think that the volume of sales were any different when compared to Constantine's book... (they probably had the same following)... I just think they really couldn't go anywhere with the character after his near-god-like status.....

Hopefully, the new series will be about Alec Holland, and not some new incarnation or Tefe.

[Nightcrawler17]

I saw some preview art in the new Wizard, and all I can say is the art looks great. Looks like another great Vertigo book!

[Eric Draven]

Originally posted by Themanofbat
Yep... I don't think that the volume of sales were any different when compared to Constantine's book... (they probably had the same following)... I just think they really couldn't go anywhere with the character after his near-god-like status.....

Hopefully, the new series will be about Alec Holland, and not some new incarnation or Tefe.

It's kind of funny how Hellblazer, a book that was basically spun off of Swamp Thing, lasted longer....but I guess if you do count Vaughn's series, Swamp Thing will be in it's 191st issue ;)

And yeah, the new series is about the original Swamp Thing.....however, Tefe Holland will figure significantly in the first arc at least.

[Themanofbat]

Originally posted by Eric Draven
It's kind of funny how Hellblazer, a book that was basically spun off of Swamp Thing, lasted longer....but I guess if you do count Vaughn's series, Swamp Thing will be in it's 191st issue ;)

And yeah, the new series is about the original Swamp Thing.....however, Tefe Holland will figure significantly in the first arc at least.

Well, you should count the original 24 issues, which would make Swamp Thing 215 issues strong.

Ironically, right around when Moore started writing Swamp Thing, DC's new historical archive was to ignore the last 4 issues of Swamp Thing's original series, where Swampy turned back into human form for a couple of issues.... which could never have happened according to Moore's twist on the character.

So I guess he'd only be on issue #211... :D :D :D

:)

[Themanofbat]

New movie in the works.... just read the Len Wein interview on the main page... sounds awesome.

:up:

[Nightcrawler17]

Ya, I read the interview too. A CGI Swamp Thing would be pretty cool.

[Captain America]

Well, I do plan on picking up the first issues, can someone give me a little background info? I don't know that much about him.

[taku]

I was a fan of the first two films and cartoon series when I was a child. Since then I've gotten into the original books. It's great how I could enjoy Swamp Thing then and now. Can't wait for the new books in March, and the new movie.

[Themanofbat]

Originally posted by Captain America
Well, I do plan on picking up the first issues, can someone give me a little background info? I don't know that much about him.

Here's something I dug up on the net....

Years ago, bio-scientist Alec Holland was brutally murdered in an explosion and ended up in the swamp of Louisiana. Accumulating leaves, moss, and rotten decay, a body was formed around Holland's mind, and arose as the Swamp Thing. For years, this Swamp Thing believed itself to be Alec Holland mutated into a monster, and vainly sought a cure to restore himself to human (on a couple of occasions, he even succeeded, or so it seemed, but he inevitably transformed to his Swamp Thing self again). During this time, he sometimes allied himself with heroes such as Batman and the Challengers of the Unknown. It wasn't until much later that the creature learned the truth: He wasn't Alec Holland. He was a Plant Elemental, an agent of the Green, a vegetable, with the memories of Alec Holland. After realizing and accepting the truth, the Swamp Thing found a purpose in life as protector of the Earth. He developed his powers and skills, learning how to regenerate himself, control plant life, and travel through the realms and even how to travel back in time. He also started a family with his lifemate Abigail and daughter Tefé (a Plant Elemental in human form and the latest being to be called the Swamp Thing). More recently, however, Swamp Thing absorbed the power of all the Elemental Parliaments - Plants, Stones, Water, Air, and Fire - becoming an omnipotent "World Elemental", intent on recreating the Earth without any animal life. He was ultimately convinced to change his mind about humanity's potential of good, however, and now serves as an Earth protector once again

The elemental stuff about Swampy (in my opinion) had been a bit of a weakness on the character's development... having said that, the focus of the new comic will be (as it should be) the horror aspect to being a muck monster in the Bayou.

:)

[DavidTyler]

[i]Originally posted by Themanofbat

The elemental stuff about Swampy (in my opinion) had been a bit of a weakness on the character's development... having said that, the focus of the new comic will be (as it should be) the horror aspect to being a muck monster in the Bayou.

:) [/B]

I totally agree.

As much as I respect Alan Moore as a writer, I didn't like much of what he did with the character. I'd like to do a 'Bobby Ewing' and forget that elemental stuff ever happened.

The original concept was clean and direct. You could empathize with him. Len Wein's stories were every bit as engaging as Alan's but he kept it uncluttered.

Alan, if you're reading this, I still love your work on other titles - just not this one.

[Eric Draven]

Well I picked up Swamp Thing: Dark Genesis today. It has the first 10 issues of Swamp Thing written by Len Wein. It had better be good! :mad: :)

[Themanofbat]

Originally posted by Eric Draven
Well I picked up Swamp Thing: Dark Genesis today. It has the first 10 issues of Swamp Thing written by Len Wein. It had better be good! :mad: :)

The art alone is worth the price. :)

[Themanofbat]

Originally posted by DavidTyler
I totally agree.

As much as I respect Alan Moore as a writer, I didn't like much of what he did with the character. I'd like to do a 'Bobby Ewing' and forget that elemental stuff ever happened.

The original concept was clean and direct. You could empathize with him. Len Wein's stories were every bit as engaging as Alan's but he kept it uncluttered.

Alan, if you're reading this, I still love your work on other titles - just not this one.

Well, I really did enjoy Alan's run for the first 30 issues, but after the American Gothic stroyline, it slowed down for me. Veitch's run was decent, and I would have really enjoyed it more if DC hadn't pulled the plug on his idea of going back to Christ... that could have been one of the biggest controversies for comics.... but the one writer whom I absolutely detested after that was Doug Wheeler. Geezus, I really didn't enjoy teh book AT ALL during his crappy run, which was mostly bad elemental writing...

:mad:

[Eric Draven]

The last few issues of Alan Moore's run got very weird....that story in space where that entity was trying to mate with Swamp Thing (at least that's what I think happened, the story got to mumbo jumbo and I skimmed over it to be honest) was just way out there. However, I did like the last couple of issues of Moore's run. Now bring on Veitch's run! :mad:

[ShaneHelms]

Does anybody have a decent picture of Swamp Thing from the comics.. i cant find one anywhere..

[Eric Draven]

Anybody get Vertigo Horizons? It has a sneak peak of upcoming Vertigo series. In it, there was a Swamp THing preview....it certainly peaked my interest :)

[Nar Mattaru]

I'm personally not a big fan of any "Bobby Ewing" type of plot twist. It does nothing but insults the readers. "Sorry, but all those issues you've been reading never really happened. You wasted your money". I don't mean to drag Marvel in this, but the response they got with the Clone Saga proved that point. I don't think a similar response would happen with Swamp Thing, but it is insulting nonetheless

[Themanofbat]

Well, I just picked it up yesterday. The art looked nice.... it had a very Wrightson-esque feel to it. And while I didn't read it yet, the story looked like it had a nice horror feel to it.

I'll post a review later this weekend.

:)

[TheCorpulent1]

I hate being behind. I think the new Swamp Thing series looks pretty interesting, but I know nothing about the character aside from the facts that he's an elemental and that he somehow had a daughter who inherited some of his powers. Can anyone give me some more background on Swamp Thing? Enough to get into this new series, at least?

[Johnny Blaze]

Same here. I thought it was an ok read, but not knowing much about the character hurt the story for me a little.

[Themanofbat]

Originally posted by TheCorpulent1
I hate being behind. I think the new Swamp Thing series looks pretty interesting, but I know nothing about the character aside from the facts that he's an elemental and that he somehow had a daughter who inherited some of his powers. Can anyone give me some more background on Swamp Thing? Enough to get into this new series, at least?

Well, here are some Internet quips (in italics) with some added stuff by me (not in italics). :)

Throughout the history of Earth, when times of great trouble has arisen, the Earth has created a plant elemental that acts as the world's protector. In each case the elemental is created when a human being dies in flames. The human being's corpse sinks into a mire and is devoured by plant life. Just as planarian worms that devour another such worm gain the latter worm's knowledge, so too the plant life that feeds upon this human being's remains develops a consciousness patterned after his. The plant life filled with this consciousness then shapes itself into a mobile form vaguely resembling that of a human being.
After living many years and gaining great wisdom, each such plant elemental finally goes to a location within a Brazilian rain forest. There each elemental takes the form of a great tree rooted to the ground. Through these elementals no longer move, their consciousnesses remain active. This group of plant elementals in Brazil is known as the Parliament of Trees.

In 1905 scientist Alex Olsen was caught in an explosion arranged by his assistant Damian Ridge, who wanted Olsen's wife Linda for himself. Ridge then buried Olsen alive in a swamp, and subsequently married Linda. Within the swamp a plant elemental, the Swamp Thing, was created bearing a consciousness based on Alex Olsen's. Ridge, believing Linda was about to discover he had killed Olsen, was about o murder her when the Swamp Thing broke in and killed him instead. Linda was terrified by her savior, who, heartbroken, returned to the swamp. Eventually, this Swamp Thing joined the Parliament of Trees.

In recent years Doctors Alec and Linda Holland, who were husband and wife, were working at a secret location in a Louisiana swamp on a "bio-restorative" chemical for the U. S. government. The chemical could make possible the rapid growth of plant life even in deserts. The Hollands were protected by government agent Lt. Matt Cable, who was absent when a man named Ferrett mad the Hollands an offer for the chemical on behalf of his superiors in a criminal organization called the Conclave. Nathan Ellery, the Conclave's leader, ordered that Ferrett kill the Hollands and destroy the formula if they rejected his offer again.

Alec Holland was indeed uncooperative when Ferrett and his men returned. Ferrett had Holland knocked out and planted a bomb in his lab. Holland regained consciousness just before the bomb detonated. The explosion not only saturated Holland's body with the bio-restorative formula but also covered his body with flame. Driven by pain, Holland ran into the swamp. He was already dead when his body plunged into a bog.

This is the Alec holland Swamp Thing that we've read about in DC comics all these years.

Once again, a plant elemental was created, this time bearing a duplicate of Alec Holland's consciousness. In fact, for years, this Swamp Thing believed it was indeed a transformed Alec Holland. The Swamp Thing's foe Anton Arcane once used sorcery to transform Swamp Thing into a duplicate of Holland, but this spell was soon reversed. An account that the Swamp Thing was once "turned back" into Holland by scientific means is false. The Swamp Thing arose a few days after Holland's death and discovered that Ferrett and his men had killed Linda Holland. The Swamp Thing killed Ferrett and his accomplice Bruno in vengeance.

The Swamp Thing then began a lonely life of wandering through the world, often finding himself in combat with various menaces, many of which were supernatural in nature. He always returns, however, to the swamp. The Swamp Thing ultimately took his revenge for the deaths of Hollands on Nathan Ellery himself. Matt Cable and Arcane's niece Abigail eventually became the Swamp Thing's friends, and Cable married Abby.

Relatively recently, the Swamp Thing learned that he was not actually Alec Holland, but a plant being whose consciousness was based on Holland's. Following Cable's hospitalization after an auto accident, Abby and the Swamp Thing became lovers, and the Swamp Thing now regards her as his wife.

The two had a child, Tefe, as she was the result of a Swamp Thing/John Constantine cross getting Abby pregnant. Again, here's a bit of info for Tefe...

When Swampy went out into out space, one of Alan Moore's storylines, there was a need for another plant elemental -- so there was a loose plant elemental life force that was going around looking for a body to possess -- similar to how Holland became Swampy; it had to be a violent death in fire & vegetation.
In the mean time, Swampy returned from space. The parliament of trees was willing to kill off the 'sprout' so to speak, but Swampy & Abby was unwilling to kill it off. After a few issue, Swampy came up with the idea of fathering a child with Abby, giving the elemental life force a 'host' to inhabit -- his child. But there was a little bit a problem with vegetation pollination mixing with human DNA -- thus Constantine enters the picture. Swampy worked out a deal that he would swap soul essence with Constantine for the night & for the use of his body to father a child. So Swampy made love to Abby, via Constantine's body, creating a child that had both the elemental life force & demon blood (via Constantine's bad blood).

After Tefe's birth, she began to develop powers, but not over vegetation, but over flesh -- a flesh elemental. Her powers were too strong & could accidently kill off humanity; she went off to study with the Parliament of Trees until she could have control over her powers. Towards the end of the 2nd Swamp Thing series, Tefe returns looking for her loving parents -- by this time Abby had split up with Swampy, going off on her own & Swampy was in the pursuit of becoming god; having received more powers over the other elements from the parliament of stone, parliament of wind, etc.

Tefe was captured and tortured by Jason Woodrue -- the government though her capture would allow some bargining power with Swampy, but by this time he has cut all ties with humanity & is rapidly thinking about wiping humanity off the earth. Tefe escaped & maimed Woodrue, Swampy was in a middle of a fight with the Word -- a new character, named for being the Word of God -- she helped Swampy defeat the Word. She was looking for praise & acceptance, but Swampy rejected her. Some other stuff happened and the 2nd series came to an end.

In the 3rd Swamp Thing series (released a few years ago based around Tefe), she is on a search for her 'humanity'. The parliament of trees want to use her as a agent to wipe out humanity, but she's not going along with it. In the mean time, some really wierd stuff is going on around her, that she's forced a little to use her powers. I wouldn't say she's evil (and some of the stuff she does does seem evil), but she's working with a different moral system.

So, as mentioned in the Tefe bio, the Swamp Thing eventually becomes more powerful by becoming more than just the Earth's elemental of the Green. He becomes the controller of all of Earth's elements, and essentially becomes a god. With nowhere else to go with the character, the series came to an end. (Thank you, Mark Millar :rolleyes: :mad: :mad: :mad: )

I forget exactly how #171 ended (it's been a while), but somehow, Swamp Thing comes to his senses (he was going to remold the Earth into his image), and he settles down in the Bayoo to simply live his life, only to be called upon whenever needed.

The new issue issue looks pretty promising.... I'm glad that you're picking it up.

:)

[Eric Draven]

I picked up the first issue as well. And it was pretty good. It does seem like the book is going back to the early Wrightson days (at least according to the stuff I did read about it).

But boy, was Tefe pretty different than when she was last seen in Swamp Thing vol 3.

[TheCorpulent1]

So Swamp Thing is pretty much godlike still?

And is that Word character just a blatant ripoff of Jesse Custer?

And Jesus Christ, does Constantine run into EVERY other Vertigo character? He helped Morpheus out in Sandman, too. Although Morpheus didn't use him to have sex with anybody.

[Themanofbat]

Originally posted by TheCorpulent1
So Swamp Thing is pretty much godlike still?

And is that Word character just a blatant ripoff of Jesse Custer?

And Jesus Christ, does Constantine run into EVERY other Vertigo character? He helped Morpheus out in Sandman, too. Although Morpheus didn't use him to have sex with anybody.

Yep... he's still godlike, but after reading the first issue, it's easy to see that they're going to rectify that.

I don't quite remember the Word character... I'm sure he was that forgetable. :rolleyes:

The art was terrrific, and the writing was smooth. I think DC is really going to re-establish its horror books, and hopefully, alongside with HellBlazer, Swamp Thing will lead the way.

Great first issue. :)

[Eric Draven]

Originally posted by TheCorpulent1
So Swamp Thing is pretty much godlike still?

And is that Word character just a blatant ripoff of Jesse Custer?

And Jesus Christ, does Constantine run into EVERY other Vertigo character? He helped Morpheus out in Sandman, too. Although Morpheus didn't use him to have sex with anybody.

Constantine is basically Vertigo's whore :)

He's also helped out Timothy Hunter, was in Shade the Changing Man, and probably a few other books I can't recall.

That's good though because it helps to give some of the Vertigo books a sense of continuity.

[TheCorpulent1]

Oh yeah, I forgot to thank you, TMOB. That information was really helpful. I'm gonna check if my comic shop still has any copies of the new series on the rack when I head back to college. :)

I gotta start reading Hellblazer, too. This is kind of my big Vertigo push; I've been hearing about all this stuff for the longest time but I never bothered to read any of it. Now that I've started Sandman, I want to jump onto every other Vertigo title all at once. I wish I had more sets of eyes to read them all at once. :D

[Eric Draven]

That's what happened to me too. I first started reading Preacher, then Sandman, then Hellblazer, then Swamp Thing, then Animal Man, then Books of Magic.


If only DC would release TPBs of Doom Patrol. I keep on trying to buy sets of it off ebay, but people keep outbidding me :(

I also hope that DC would release at least one TPB of Veitch's Swamp Thing run. I want to see how good it is :)

[Themanofbat]

Originally posted by Eric Draven
I also hope that DC would release at least one TPB of Veitch's Swamp Thing run. I want to see how good it is :)

Veitch's run could have been one of the best things to happen to the book until DC pulled the plug on him. He had Swamp Thing going to the past, and he was eventually going to meet Jesus Christ, which could have been really cool (as long as it was presented Vertigo-style). Unfortunately, we'll never know....

:(

[Themanofbat]

Originally posted by TheCorpulent1
Oh yeah, I forgot to thank you, TMOB. That information was really helpful. I'm gonna check if my comic shop still has any copies of the new series on the rack when I head back to college. :)

I gotta start reading Hellblazer, too. This is kind of my big Vertigo push; I've been hearing about all this stuff for the longest time but I never bothered to read any of it. Now that I've started Sandman, I want to jump onto every other Vertigo title all at once. I wish I had more sets of eyes to read them all at once. :D

No sweat.... it's always a pleasure to get you guys into reading the books that I've enjoyed over the years.

I'm not too sure if you're planning on getting an entire HellBlazer run, or simply looking to get a few Trades. If you decide on getting trades, you MUST get "Dangerous Habits" FIRST. I've said this earlier in the Constantine forum today, but it is without a doubt, one of the BEST story arcs I've ever read.

It was Garth Ennis' first arc on HellBlazer, and it was a doozie. :)

[Eric Draven]

I heard about that. I think Veitch also vowed never to work for DC again until he did the Aquaman relaunch a couple years ago. That would've been very interesting to see how it would've been handled. That's also partly why I want to see Veitch's run reprinted. I loved Alan Moore's stuff and I want to see if Veitch's is just as good.


Speaking of which, to my knowledge, I think Ellis also did the same thing with Hellblazer. His first 10 issues were pretty interesting, but DC nixed a storyline where it dealt with school shootings so Ellis left the title. That's a shame because Ellis could've made such a good run on the book, very similar to Ennis' run :(

[Themanofbat]

Originally posted by Eric Draven
Speaking of which, to my knowledge, I think Ellis also did the same thing with Hellblazer. His first 10 issues were pretty interesting, but DC nixed a storyline where it dealt with school shootings so Ellis left the title. That's a shame because Ellis could've made such a good run on the book, very similar to Ennis' run :(

Yes, Ellis had some kind of school shooting thing going which DC did in fact nix, especially so close after the Columbine situation.

[Eric Draven]

I could see why they would cancel the book due to sensitivity issues. And I really don't fault DC for doing that. But on the other hand, I really wanted to see Ellis write more than 10 issues of Hellblazer..not to mention his replacement wasn't as good. :(

[DavidTyler]

Originally posted by DavidTyler
I totally agree.

As much as I respect Alan Moore as a writer, I didn't like much of what he did with the character. I'd like to do a 'Bobby Ewing' and forget that elemental stuff ever happened.

The original concept was clean and direct. You could empathize with him. Len Wein's stories were every bit as engaging as Alan's but he kept it uncluttered.

Alan, if you're reading this, I still love your work on other titles - just not this one.

Even though there only seems to be a few of us, I'm glad to see that I'm not alone in my preference for the Wein/Wrightson original version of the character.

I love Alan's work on other books but he just feels this need to make all of these characters into gods. I really prefer the lone, brooding muck-monster who finds himself alone and unique.

This Lord of the Green Elemental stuff just got to the point where the character didn't interest me any more.

What worked so well in Miracleman left me cold here.

However, even Miracleman was left with a dead end. He left the series with no where to go.

In Swamp Thing, as much as I tried, I could not get myself to care about the characters anymore. Tefe was just a bore and I really missed the human Cable.

EDIT: Why the hell did I quote myself?

[Themanofbat]

Originally posted by DavidTyler
Even though there only seems to be a few of us, I'm glad to see that I'm not alone in my preference for the Wein/Wrightson original version of the character.

I love Alan's work on other books but he just feels this need to make all of these characters into gods. I really prefer the lone, brooding muck-monster who finds himself alone and unique.

This Lord of the Green Elemental stuff just got to the point where the character didn't interest me any more.

What worked so well in Miracleman left me cold here.

However, even Miracleman was left with a dead end. He left the series with no where to go.

In Swamp Thing, as much as I tried, I could not get myself to care about the characters anymore. Tefe was just a bore and I really missed the human Cable.

Some good valid points there, but while Alan Moore may have created the whole "elemental" idea, I blame Doug Wheeler and his boring run for taking it to that prosaic level.

[TheCorpulent1]

Originally posted by Themanofbat
No sweat.... it's always a pleasure to get you guys into reading the books that I've enjoyed over the years.

I'm not too sure if you're planning on getting an entire HellBlazer run, or simply looking to get a few Trades. If you decide on getting trades, you MUST get "Dangerous Habits" FIRST. I've said this earlier in the Constantine forum today, but it is without a doubt, one of the BEST story arcs I've ever read.

It was Garth Ennis' first arc on HellBlazer, and it was a doozie. :)
I was planning on getting all the TPBs in whatever order the stories were printed. Are they numbered by volume or are they too old for that? The Sandman TPBs confused the hell out of me until someone listed their order. There's nothing in the TPB itself to show that Dream Country comes after A Doll's House or anything. Do you think you could point me to a Hellblazer site with the order of the TPBs, please?

[Eric Draven]

Originally posted by TheCorpulent1
I was planning on getting all the TPBs in whatever order the stories were printed. Are they numbered by volume or are they too old for that? The Sandman TPBs confused the hell out of me until someone listed their order. There's nothing in the TPB itself to show that Dream Country comes after A Doll's House or anything. Do you think you could point me to a Hellblazer site with the order of the TPBs, please?

The ordering of the TPBs is actually very confusing.

The first one is Original Sins, that reprints issues 1-9 of Hellblazer. Jamie Delano wrote that

Then it skips about 20-30 issues and goes straight to Garth Ennis and Dangerous Habits. That reprints issues 41-46

Then there's:
Fear and Loathing
Tainted Love
Damnation's Flame
Rakes at the Gates of Hell

These issues reprint issues 62-82 of Hellblazer. This arc was also drawn by Steve Dillon and actually has quite a few themes from Preacher present. I would actually recommend these 4 TPBs the most

Afterwards, they skip about about 40 issues (they don't reprint any of Jenkin's runs) and go straight with Warren Ellis' run. This is Hellblazer: Haunted and reprints issues 139-144

Finally, there's Azarello's run:
Hard Time
Good Intentions
Freezes Over

I wasn't too much of a fan of Azarello's run.

Oh and with the first TPB, that one actually ends on a cliffhanger that follows up in a Swamp Thing issue. But it's explained pretty well in the introduction.

[TheCorpulent1]

Nuts so I gotta hunt down more than 20 back issues?

Ah well. Thanks for the info, Eric.

[Eric Draven]

Sorry, I pressed post before I got to finish it. But that's all the TPBs right there


There's also a new one coming out this week, Son of Man that reprints the 5 issues before Ellis came aboard.

[TheCorpulent1]

Oh wow ... That's a lot more stuff. Thanks again.

[Themanofbat]

So, did anybody else pick up issue #1 yet?

Any thoughts? Comments?

:confused:

[The Hobgoblin]

I'm completely new to Swamp Thing and I picked the issue up soley due to the fact that it has Andy Diggle's name on the front.

I'm a huge Losers fan and so when I heard that he was writing Swamp Thing, I was definately up for giving the book a go. After issue #1.... I'm really glad I did. I'm looking forward to reading this series.

[Themanofbat]

Originally posted by The Hobgoblin
I'm completely new to Swamp Thing and I picked the issue up soley due to the fact that it has Andy Diggle's name on the front.

I'm a huge Losers fan and so when I heard that he was writing Swamp Thing, I was definately up for giving the book a go. After issue #1.... I'm really glad I did. I'm looking forward to reading this series.

Cool.... if you're wanting to learn a bit more about the character, there's a decent bio on page 2 of this thread.

:)

[Eric Draven]

One thing I liked about Andy Diggle's writing in Swamp Thing: his characterization of John Constantine. Maybe he could write a few issues of Hellblazer after Mike Carey is finished his run :)

[TheCorpulent1]

Originally posted by Themanofbat
So, did anybody else pick up issue #1 yet?

Any thoughts? Comments?

:confused:
I bought it yesterday but I haven't read it yet. :(

[The Hobgoblin]

Well I went to the comic store yesterday and picked up Vol 2 and 3 of Alan Moore's Swamp Thing. I was just gonna pick up one trade but I though "screw it" and bought two of em. Thank God I did.... this stuff is just genius.

And now I'm gonna have to start collecting Hellblazer aren't I? I honestly never saw what Swamp Thing had going for iteself. But the character is fast becoming one of my favorites. Those stories really do hold their own. They're like 20+ years old now??! And they are still amazing.

Diggle's 2nd issue is out next week.... can't wait for that one.

[Eric Draven]

If you're interested in picking up Hellblazer, I have a listing of which order the TPBs go in :)

[TheCorpulent1]

Originally posted by TheCorpulent1
I bought it yesterday but I haven't read it yet. :(
Heh, I never came back to say what I thought. Suffice to say, I'll be collecting this series from now on and I'll be picking up Moore's trades soon. I'll probably also get into Hellblazer, but I'll need another few months to get around to that.

[Themanofbat]

While their is a Book One for HellBlazer, I STRONGLY recommend that everyone interested in reading a HellBlazer TPB should pick up "Dangerous Habits" for their first one.

It was Garth Ennis' first six issue storyline on that title, and John Constantine dvelops cancer from all of his smoking.

'Nuff said...... :)

It's one of the BEST stories that I've ever had the pleasure to read.

:up: :up: :up:

[The Hobgoblin]

Should I bother with Original Sins then or not?

[Eric Draven]

You can try. But really, the last issue of the TPB ends in a cliffhanger for an issue that hasn't even been reprinted yet. However, I read that DC is really interested in reprinting some more Jamie Delano issues, but it probably won't be until way later on in the year.


I would actually stick with Dangerous Habits. You really don't have to read much of the previous 40 issues to understand what's going on, plus it's probably one of the best Hellblazer stories. like tmob said. :)

[The Hobgoblin]

Dangerous Habbits it is then. Thanks for the heads up about the cliff hanger. That really sucks.

[red scrpion]

whats swamp thing?

[The Hobgoblin]

Its a thing....in a swamp....

[TheCorpulent1]

There are a lot of websites dedicated to Swamp Thing. You should do a Google search.

The basics are that Alec Holland, a scientist working on a chemical that would stimulate plant growth, was killed in an explosion. Bathed in his own chemical, his body was thrown into the swamp where his consciousness was transferred into a humanoid mass of vegitation. This shambling swamp monster is the Swamp Thing. Though it initially thought it was Alec Holland, the Swamp Thing eventually learned that it was actually a plant elemental, in tune with the Green, the aura, I guess you could call it, of all plant life. He had a daughter named Tefe with Holland's wife, and Tefe inherited her father's elemental control, only, being human and not a plant, she was a flesh elemental. She was sent off to learn to control her powers and the Swamp Thing returned to the swamp. That about gets you up to this current series.

[The Hobgoblin]

Oh yeah, but the thing is Swamp Thing no longer has Alec Hollands consiousness and so is very content in ridding the world of all thing fleshy and making the Earth completely of the green. Major problem that his in his way is Tefe. Swamp Thing needs to remove Tefe in order to achieve its goal.

There's gonna be a decent fight I reckon..... Green vs Red. Oooooh.

[The Hobgoblin]

Anyone picked up issue #2 yet? I have to wait until tomorrow, but I can't see any reviews of it anywhere....

[TheCorpulent1]

I'm going to get it today after my stupid class and work are over. Stupid class and work. :mad:

[Johnny Blaze]

Read it last night, and it was a good one. I don't really want to spoil anything, so I'll just say the ending left off for what looks like a killer 3rd issue. :)

[The Hobgoblin]

Good stuff. Can't wait to get my hands on it. I need to get the last 3 Alan Moore trades too. Those things are amazing!

[Eric Draven]

Well it was certainly interesting to see Sargon back. Might we see the return of another old Swamp Thing villain soon? ;)

[Themanofbat]

I just got mine today.... I'll probably read it tonight.

:)

[Themanofbat]

Originally posted by Themanofbat
I just got mine today.... I'll probably read it tonight.

:)

Yep.... I read it tonight. Good stuff so far....

I love the scene with Constantine and the cops... :D :D :D

[Movies205]

I'm bumping this thread out of my excitement to read swamp thing!!! I'm going buy Swamp Thing Genesis, then I'm going have to track down issues 11-20, and then I'm going buy all the Alan Moore TPBs! And keep on reading till I hit the current series. Swamp Thing seems bad ass:)

[Movies205]

DArk Genesis.... Not that great, I'm halfway through and I have to say it's quite mediocre, and I was orignally going try to track down issues 11-20 but I'm just going skip to Alan Moore stuff:o It's not really bad but I was expecting more, since some of the stories are kind of boring, since the writer try to make swamp thing this big deep literary figure, the man who no longer man blah blah:o Bring on the Moore! I'm only halfway through the dark genesis so I'll post more opinions when I'm done

[The Hobgoblin]

The Moore is good. Very good. I wasn't expecting much from Swamp Thing when I started reading. I've been pleasantly surprised. I'm getting issue #2 and #3 next weekend and I'll also be picking up Vol.4 of Alan Moore's TPBs (and might splash out on Vol.5 too if I feel fruity) :D

[Lord Blackbolt]

They need to put the Brian K Vaughn Swamp Thing series into a trade. Or is it already?

[Eric Draven]

None of it has been reprinted yet. And I doubt it will for a while because they plan to reprint Veitch's run at first. And at the rate that DC puts out Swamp Thing TPBs (like 1 TPB a year), it might be a while before they do get to Vaughn's run, or heck, even Millar's run.

However, I did get Vaughan's run off ebay for cheap though :up:

Let me say this, those expecting a story along the lines of Moore or even Diggle's Swamp Thing might be a bit surprised. I know I was when I first read the first issue of Swamp Thing volume 3 :o

[Movies205]

I almost done with "Dark Genesis" TPB and I have 1 1/2 issues to go and I have changed my opinion.... I've grown to love the series and I've enjoyed reading these issues. I think the first couple of issues were so-so but it really found it's groove soon after and I've really grown to love the art! I like Issue 6 is the best, I like how it deals with concepts and things. Like the man who made a robotic city and the residents only felt love and what not. And when the creator they loved died, they end up killing those who did it... Interesting stuff! Should I skip to Alan Moore stuff or track down issues 11-20?

[The Hobgoblin]

You're safe enough to skip to Alan Moore. They give a great re-cap of how events lead to the point where Moore takes over. Although it would mean that you would have a bit (make that a lot) of a spoiler for the issues you have missing.

[Lord Blackbolt]

Originally posted by Eric Draven
None of it has been reprinted yet. And I doubt it will for a while because they plan to reprint Veitch's run at first. And at the rate that DC puts out Swamp Thing TPBs (like 1 TPB a year), it might be a while before they do get to Vaughn's run, or heck, even Millar's run.

However, I did get Vaughan's run off ebay for cheap though :up:

Let me say this, those expecting a story along the lines of Moore or even Diggle's Swamp Thing might be a bit surprised. I know I was when I first read the first issue of Swamp Thing volume 3 :o

So is Vaughns run good then?

[Eric Draven]

It's not all too bad. It's basically about Tefe Holland though. In fact, Alec only makes an appearance in like 1 issue.

The first few issues are pretty meh though. Tefe is pretty unlikeable at first, but as the series went on, she matured a lot more and became a bit more likeable. It was a shame the book got cancelled after 20 issues :(

[Themanofbat]

Yeah, they had some interesting plot lines running along, and you could tell when the plug was pulled when everything seemed to "clear up" within one issue.

:rolleyes:

:(

[Eric Draven]

Issue 3 was rather interesting.

It was kinda surprising to see them bring up the Red though, since that was first thought up by Delano in Animal Man when they wanted to give that character a Swamp Thing-like overhaul.

I do really like this book though :) It's a shame that Diggle is gone after issue 6 :(

[Lord Blackbolt]

yeah...next issue looks badass. I really like the red concept....the book hasn't been this good since Alan Moore IMO... diggle is my new fav.

[Eric Draven]

I really don't think Diggle so far has been as good as Millar's was. I mean the first four issues he wrote with Morrison were interesting as hell.

But Diggle certainly is good :)

Here's hoping Pfeiffer manages to make the book just as well-written.

[Lord Blackbolt]

I've never read the Millar/ Morrison run......but those two make a great team....I loved their run on Flash.

[The Hobgoblin]

Next issue is gonna be soooo good. I can't wait to see this one pan out!

[Themanofbat]

So... will the people who are picking this book up because od Diggle keep buying it after he leaves?

:confused:

[Eric Draven]

They might pick up the first few issues to see how it is :confused:

I'm sure Pfeiffer might do a good job though. I quite liked HERO. :o

[The Hobgoblin]

I'll give Pfeiffer a good go. I've heard very good things about HERO. Granted the real reason I picked up the book was because Diggle was writing (and everyone knows how much I love The Losers) but Diggle seems to be setting the series up and then its up to Pfeiffer to run with the ball.

I picked up the 4th Moore trade yesterday and I'm currently enjoying reading that. But of the three stores I know in Leeds, not a single one had the first Ennis(or is it Ellis?) Hellblazer trade! So I'll be ordering that one from TOW at the end of the month.

[Themanofbat]

Yep.... that first Ennis HellBlazer TPB will knock your socks off.

:)

[The Hobgoblin]

All I have to do is hunt it down. Tricky little book....

Anyway, instead of Hellblazer, I picked up Preacher Vol.1 - its meant to be good or something. So I'm gonna read that in the meantime.

[TheCorpulent1]

Preacher's great. Good choice. :up:

[The Hobgoblin]

I picked Preacher up because I forgot about the first Sleeper trade. Which is something I really meant to pick up. So now I'm going to go over to the corner and kick myself.

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, before kicking yourself, read Preacher. You might save yourself a few kicks because, really, it's quite good.

[Eric Draven]

Originally posted by Themanofbat
Yep.... that first Ennis HellBlazer TPB will knock your socks off.

:)

All of the Hellblazer issues by Ennis have been good :)

I especially liked how the Ennis/Dillon issues influenced some of the themes they later incorporated in Preacher :o

[Wolverwam]

I just read #3 and it was great but I do have one complaint, Constantine looked worse than Alec. What is up with the crappy artist rendition of him in this issue? Also isn't DC the continuity company. How does what is going on in Swamp Thing correlate with the events now occuring in Hellblazer?

[Eric Draven]

It really doesn't. Considering in Hellblazer right now, Constantine has no idea who he is but in Swamp Thing, he does. Maybe the events in Swamp Thing take place after the events in Hellblazer? :confused:

[Eric Draven]

hmmm....interesting bit of news from the Vertigo panel over at WW.

Pfeiffer is only writing issues 7 and 8 of Swamp Thing, with art to be done by Richard Corben.

I hope they get a regular writer on the title soon.....

[Movies205]

Just read first 3 issues of the new series, and picked up the TPB: Sage of the Swamp Thing Book 1, all of it awesome! I can't wait to see Swamp Thing and Tefe fight next issue!

[Movies205]

Can Tefe take down the big green guy?

[The Hobgoblin]

I hope so. The tree-guy is being an ass.

Can someone answer me something. Saugon (or whatever his name is) combusted in Moore's run of Swamp Thing. It was mentioned in the latest issue (#4) that he still bears a little grudge with Constantine for this.

My question..... how did he return to life? Is this resolved in a later part of Moore's run or was it post Moore?


Oh and is Swamp Thing: Roots worth getting? I think its about the pre Alex Holland Swamp Thing.

[Eric Draven]

He later on returned to life in Millar's run. But in issue 150 he suffered a fate in which it still hasn't been explained how he got out of yet.


Another thing that bugs me about this arc is that technically Tefe shouldn't even be a "flesh elemental", it's actually Buddy Baker (aka Animal Man) who is the flesh elemental.

[TheCorpulent1]

All right, I asked this in the Hellblazer thread since it was higher at the time, and everyone just plowed right over it. So I'll ask you guys, since it's from the new Swamp Thing comic:

Why can't Constantine drive?

Draven: It's not possible to have 2 people in tune with the Red? Aquaman taps into the Blue now, and Swamp Thing has acquired mastery over the Blue, so there's 2 Blue avatars as well.

[Eric Draven]

Constantine can't drive because he never needed to. Whenever he has to go anywhere, he just bums rides off Chas. At least that's what I get from it :o

[TheCorpulent1]

Oh, I thought he pissed someone off and got himself mystically barred from driving in a whimsically charming bit of good ol' Hellblazer fun. But I guess not. :(

[Eric Draven]

Who do you guys see writing Swamp Thing after Pfeiffer writes 2 issues?

I hope it's someone regular because if they just keep bringing in new writers, I doubt the series will last long....

[Lord Blackbolt]

I hope Diggle returns...he's not writing that many books

[Eric Draven]

I agree. But, like I said numerous times, I'd rather see him start to write Hellblazer rather than Swamp Thing again. Besides, I doubt Diggle really will. He only wanted to write a six issue mini-series of Swamp Thing, but the editors liked his story so much, they decided to make it ongoing, with Pfeiffer writing afterwards. I just thought that Pfeiffer was gonna be on the title for the long haul rather than for just two issues.


Won't it be funny though if Rick Veitch wrote it again? :)

[Eric Draven]

Well oh well, the latest issue came out and all I have to say after reading it is:


"King Kong the witch is dead!" ;)



Well replace the W with a B in witch and you have me true feelings :)

[Lord Blackbolt]

Tefe is dead?

I didn't get it yet

[Eric Draven]

Yeah. Plus we find out what Sargon's plan was.


Although no explanation (as far as I can remember) as to how he's back all of a sudden :confused:

[Lord Blackbolt]

Speaking of Animalman.....I'd love to see him make a cameo. Last time I saw him was when he was in the background of JLA

[Eric Draven]

I last saw him in Identity Crisis. Back to costume, thank god, and not having long white hair as seen in the last few issues of his comic.

I would be totally happy though, if Animal Man is one of the characters that Morrison is gonna write a mini on next year

[Eric Draven]

Well it's been announced in the Vertigo panel who the new writer of Swamp Thing will be with issue 9 - Josh Dysart.


Interesting choice.....

[TheCorpulent1]

What's Dysart written?

[Eric Draven]

Violent Messiahs


There's a pretty interesting interview here:

http://www.newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=15937

[Movies205]

Tefe was bad ass why they have to kill her off :(

[Eric Draven]

So issue 6 came out a few weeks back. And all I have to say about it is.....meh.

This arc started out pretty interesting, but it just became sort of a mess near the end.


So now it's on to Wil Pfeiffer's two issue arc. Seems kinda of a waste just to have him on for just two issues. Plus, I'm not too much of a fan of Richard Corben's art.


I'm just hoping that John Dysart will do a much better job when he comes onboard.

[Movies205]

What you expect it was a clean-up arc:o

[Eric Draven]

Yes. A disappointing clean-up arc that really wasn't needed.

[Movies205]

Originally posted by Eric Draven
Yes. A disappointing clean-up arc that really wasn't needed.

Uh yes it was:mad: The swamp thing mythos is as confusing as can be, and it wasn't that bad :) Plus it restore Swamp Thing to what he is a Green Elemental no more Earth God ****:mad:

[Blayton]

Can someone give me a list of Swamp Thing tpb's that i can read to get caught up on everything.

[Movies205]

Pick up Swamp Thing: Dark Genesis first Swamp Thing Stories ever, it's a pretty good. Then pick up Swamp Thing Vol. 1, that rocks! And then pick up the rest of Alan Moore's Swamp Thing stuff in TPB

[The Hobgoblin]

Anyone picking up Swamp Thing #7? I'm dropping the book now that Diggle is gone and I am replacing it with Rex Mundi which I think is a step in the right direction.

[Themanofbat]

Originally posted by The Hobgoblin
Anyone picking up Swamp Thing #7? I'm dropping the book now that Diggle is gone and I am replacing it with Rex Mundi which I think is a step in the right direction.

You should have been reading Rex Mundi since Day One.... :mad: :mad: :mad:

[Themanofbat]

And yes, I will be continuing to read Swamp Thing.....

:)

[The Hobgoblin]

Originally posted by Themanofbat
You should have been reading Rex Mundi since Day One.... :mad: :mad: :mad:

I got all the back issues now man, I'm in the loop!!! But Corben's art is something I really can't get along with so Swamp Thing is done for me.

[Movies205]

THat's only for 2 issues though:o

[Eric Draven]

Originally posted by Themanofbat
And yes, I will be continuing to read Swamp Thing.....

:)

So will I actually. But I'm not really looking forward to Pfeiffer's run.


And yeah, Corben is only doing two issues. The guy who drew the first six issues will continue on after issue 9 :)

[The Hobgoblin]

Originally posted by Movies205
THat's only for 2 issues though:o

I'm on a budget. And there is a book that I like much more than Swamp Thing. So Swamp Thing gets the chop.

[Eric Draven]

What else do you pick up at the moment? :confused:

[Themanofbat]

Originally posted by Eric Draven
What else do you pick up at the moment? :confused:

He's picking up Rex Mundi, which is the best new comic seen in years....

YOU should be picking it up, you Vertigo-whore you... ;)

It's right up your alley. :up:

:)

[Eric Draven]

You know, to be honest, I was actually gonna start picking up the book when the first TPB came out (I think a TPB did come out :confused: ) and then start getting the individual issues that came afterwards.

But then it just passed my mind :(


What issue is the book at right now anyways? :confused:

[The Hobgoblin]

Originally posted by Eric Draven
What else do you pick up at the moment? :confused:

Ex Machina
Losers
Sleeper

Forsaken
Rex Mundi
Small Gods
Walking Dead

Astonishing X-Men
Captain America & The Falcon
Spider-Girl

Thats the list. Now I know people are gonna comment on CAF and Spider-Girl.....

CAF is written by Priest who's work I love and this book is no exception! I love Spider-Girl also (even if at the moment its boring the pants off me) and I'm sure that Tom D will get things back in track, if not.... then I'll be dropping it and re-picking up Swamp Thing :D

[The Hobgoblin]

Originally posted by Eric Draven
You know, to be honest, I was actually gonna start picking up the book when the first TPB came out (I think a TPB did come out :confused: ) and then start getting the individual issues that came afterwards.

But then it just passed my mind :(


What issue is the book at right now anyways? :confused:

The book is on issue #11 at the moment. Issue #12 has just gone to the printers so should be out in a week or two. And then the book goes on a hiatus. Arvid Nelson has said though that he is now begining to write issue #13 and that his "break" is over. It would appear that the 2nd trade (containing issues #6 - #11) will arrive sometime after issue #12 and hopefully before issue #13.

[Themanofbat]

Originally posted by The Hobgoblin
Ex Machina
Losers
Sleeper

Forsaken
Rex Mundi
Small Gods
Walking Dead

Astonishing X-Men
Captain America & The Falcon
Spider-Girl

You didn't stay with the Flash for very long... when did you drop the book?

[Themanofbat]

Originally posted by Eric Draven
You know, to be honest, I was actually gonna start picking up the book when the first TPB came out (I think a TPB did come out :confused: ) and then start getting the individual issues that came afterwards.

But then it just passed my mind :(


What issue is the book at right now anyways? :confused:

Current Rex Mundi thread in the Image Comics forum with some comments by the artist... EricJ himself... (http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=133552)

[Eric Draven]

hmmmm.....maybe I will consider picking up Rex Mundi :)


BTW Just to get back on topic. I finally found all of Nancy Collin's entire Swamp Thing run from ebay. At first I was a bit hesitant because I heard not to good things about her run. But after reading it, I'm really impressed. Very good reading I must say.

Now should I try and find Doug Wheeler's run? ;)

[The Hobgoblin]

Originally posted by Themanofbat
You didn't stay with the Flash for very long... when did you drop the book?

The Mirror Master issue. I loved the "Ignition" arc, but after that arc... nothing really happened and I was spending too much. It went along with Outsiders, Teen Titans and Batman.

The Flash is a bit of an ongoing dispute with me though.... because I've dropped it out of neccesity rather than because it wasn't that good, so it depends on how things pan out... stuff like Sleeper and AXM are probably only going to be on my list for 12 issues. So I might re-add The Flash based on those grounds.

I'm gonna try and keep to 10 books maximum at the moment though. I honestly didn't expect Spider-Girl to be renewed again but like I say... its on a thread at the moment.

[Themanofbat]

Originally posted by Eric Draven
hmmmm.....maybe I will consider picking up Rex Mundi :)


BTW Just to get back on topic. I finally found all of Nancy Collin's entire Swamp Thing run from ebay. At first I was a bit hesitant because I heard not to good things about her run. But after reading it, I'm really impressed. Very good reading I must say.

Now should I try and find Doug Wheeler's run? ;)

Nancy Collin's run was the best one since Moore's... in my opinion.
Millar's was good, but I liked Collin's back to the swamp approach.

Wheeler's run was a waste of time (earth elemental stuff), but you might want it if your a collection completist.

Now go get Rex Mundi... :up:

[Themanofbat]

Originally posted by The Hobgoblin
The Mirror Master issue. I loved the "Ignition" arc, but after that arc... nothing really happened and I was spending too much. It went along with Outsiders, Teen Titans and Batman.

The Flash is a bit of an ongoing dispute with me though.... because I've dropped it out of neccesity rather than because it wasn't that good, so it depends on how things pan out... stuff like Sleeper and AXM are probably only going to be on my list for 12 issues. So I might re-add The Flash based on those grounds.

I'm gonna try and keep to 10 books maximum at the moment though. I honestly didn't expect Spider-Girl to be renewed again but like I say... its on a thread at the moment.

I think things are going to pick up again in Flash, so keep your eyes peeled.

I agree with Spider-Girl.... the book just seemed to lose a little "oomph" about a year ago.

:(

[Eric Draven]

Originally posted by Themanofbat
Nancy Collin's run was the best one since Moore's... in my opinion.
Millar's was good, but I liked Collin's back to the swamp approach.

Wheeler's run was a waste of time (earth elemental stuff), but you might want it if your a collection completist.

Now go get Rex Mundi... :up:

Yeah, I'll probably end up getting Wheeler's run only because I wanna get the entire Swamp Thing run :(


I'll probably save Veitch's run for TPB though because supposedly they're gonna collect the banned Jesus issue :eek:

[Unthinkable]

Originally posted by Eric Draven
Yeah, I'll probably end up getting Wheeler's run only because I wanna get the entire Swamp Thing run :(


I'll probably save Veitch's run for TPB though because supposedly they're gonna collect the banned Jesus issue :eek:

Sweetness. :up:

[The Hobgoblin]

Originally posted by Movies205
THat's only for 2 issues though:o

Also..... I've just seen the preview of the issue. I really can't stand that guys art. He can not draw faces! They look like their made of plasticine and swashed.

I'll get the trades from now on I think or I may pick up at issue #9

[Eric Draven]

Yeah, I'm not a huge fan of Richard Corben's art either. Or at least I was until I read the Hellblazer issues he drew. He made John Constantine look like munchkin for crying out loud! :mad:

[Movies205]

I still need to pick up the rest of Alan Moore's stuff :(

[Eric Draven]

You've been saying that for a loooong time :p

[Eric Draven]

Well issue 7 came out yesterday. And it was a pretty good story. Nothing that great, but not that horrible as well. Just a good fill-in until Dysart comes in as the regular writer (at least I think he's the regular writer :confused: ).

I'm still hating Corben's munchkin art though :mad:

[Movies205]

You've been saying that for a loooong time :p

The watchmen came along... And the crazy marv... And before those two was our favorite green archer... :( Too much to read and so little money :p

As for the current story I like how they're returning to the swamp with a small horror tale I think that what Swamp Thing needs to get back to it's roots(no pun intended)

[Platypusplaya]

no offense to anyone but alan moore killed swampthing for me, i was very content with swamp thing being a misfit of science and not a divine guardian

[Eric Draven]

Heh...I kinda expected it, but guess what Swamp Thing villain is coming back in issue 10? :p

[Movies205]

Oy :( His first appearance was he wanted to switch bodies with Swamp Thing, I forgot what was his second appearance about?

[Eric Draven]

I dunno. But the guy is always dying and always coming back to life. When Sargon first came back, I was expecting Arcane's return as well in the future. I hope this time they actually give a proper explanation for this return ;)

[Movies205]

Yeah, then again sometime mystery works? There putting out the first of Veitch's run on TPB:)

[Eric Draven]

Mystery Shmystery. That was a huge cop-out. Sargon had an appropriate fate. And for him to come back to life without any explanation is pretty sloppy IMO. I mean, I hear all the time about people *****ing about characters coming back to life with no explanation, how is this any different?

[Movies205]

Really depends on the story, when it involves magic there's a lot more lee-way as oppose to someone like Superman or Green Lantern coming back.

[Themanofbat]

Arcane's back, eh? :rolleyes:

Let's hope they can make it a doozy of a stroy....:)

[Eric Draven]

Yeah me too.

I kinda lost count of how many times he's died and come back to life :(

[Eric Draven]

After a pretty interesting issue number 7, issue number 8 was such a huge mess :(


Such an interesting premise in the previous issue was so ruined by this issue by suddenly making the butler some kind of angel or something. Hell, I don't even know what's going on anymore.

Oh god, I hope the new writer can do something good with this series....:(

[Movies205]

You've been saying that for a loooong time :p

MOO HAHA! I just ordered Swamp Thing Vol. 2-5!!! And it only took me 6 months :p

[John Constantine]

Good for you :)

I have the entire run right now :) :p

Yes, I even got all of the issues by Veitch (which were pretty cool) and Wheeler (which sucked big time. I think I got a huge headache reading his first 5 issues)

[Movies205]

Good for you :)

I have the entire run right now :) :p

Yes, I even got all of the issues by Veitch (which were pretty cool) and Wheeler (which sucked big time. I think I got a huge headache reading his first 5 issues)

There selling the swampy jesus script on ebay I'm tempted to buy it:) I love swampy so badly so after I buy Volume 6 and 7, what else should I buy?

[John Constantine]

There are probably some places on the internet where you can probably view that story for free. I know because I found a place where I could read the banned Warren Ellis issue. Maybe look around first before you buy it :confused:

I dunno what to buy next though. Hellblazer maybe :confused: But Swamp Thing is barely in that book.

[Movies205]

There are probably some places on the internet where you can probably view that story for free. I know because I found a place where I could read the banned Warren Ellis issue. Maybe look around first before you buy it :confused:

I dunno what to buy next though. Hellblazer maybe :confused: But Swamp Thing is barely in that book.

I probably make the jump to hellblazer next :) And you're probably right, and what warren ellis issue are you talking about?

[John Constantine]

Basically, the same thing that happened with Veitch and Swamp Thing happened with Ellis and Hellblazer.

[Movies205]

I believe you recommended I pick up Dangerous Confessions as my first Hellblazer TPB?

[Themanofbat]

I'd recommend "Dangerous Habits" to ANYONE looking to buy a HellBlazer TPB.

:)

[Movies205]

I'm currently looking into picking up Fallen Angel 1-17 and Runaways 1-18, since the word of mouth on both has been excellent, and with Swamp Thing Volumes 2-5 on the way... Eh what the hell I could squeeze in some Hellblazer, it's got be good if it's got the JackCool Seal of Approval :up: and also a TMOB recommendation :)

[Themanofbat]

Well, issue #10 came out yesterday, but I haven't read it yet.

Anyone still getting this book?

[Movies205]

It's decent but the book has tottally lost touch with what I love about Swamp Thing, and what Alan Moore did for the book that this is some Plant who thinks he's human but never will be human nor was he ever human, now he just walks around mumbling stupid **** :(

[John Constantine]

The latest issue was definitely an improvement over the previous one (Tefe a lesbian...WTF?). I'm still not liking the way they brought back Arcane. But, it's really not as bad of a read as issue 9 was.

[Movies205]

Volume 2-5 I have just came in, Oh Snap! I'm going to go read Volume 1 again, and then 2-5! :)

Edit: On second though I'm just going read volume 2 :(

[John Constantine]

I would actually recommend reading volume 1 again. Just so you can remember what went on before because stuff in volume 2 does reference what happened in volume 1.

P.S. Did you ever see John Constantine's cameo appearance in the first Swamp Thing TPB?

[Movies205]

no but I'mg oing go over my grandma's house now and get it(keep all my comics in storage over there, no room over here)

[Movies205]

I would actually recommend reading volume 1 again. Just so you can remember what went on before because stuff in volume 2 does reference what happened in volume 1.

P.S. Did you ever see John Constantine's cameo appearance in the first Swamp Thing TPB?

I finished reading the first volume yesterday, and no I didn't see the cameo so I looked it up online and it's cool though if no one said it, it would hardly be concluesive.

[John Constantine]

Well it technically does fit in with the storyline that Constantine would show up at that point. Yeah, it could also be just coincidence, but I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Moore did put him in kind of like as a nod to a future reference.

[Movies205]

Well from the site I read, basically the artists said there going put in like every issue just for fun and moore made a character out of him. I find myself not liking issues where Swamp Thing isn't the main focus :(

[John Constantine]

What? Like the Nukeface storyline and that serial killer who remembers all his victims? :confused:

[Movies205]

Well I've only read Swamp Thing Volume 1 and the first three or so chapters of volume 2, I don't like the issue all that much focusing on solely Woodrue but I like the arc in general, and I don't like the issue focusing soley on Abigail and her husband who's really arcane.

[John Constantine]

I thought that was a pretty damn cool story actually. I mean the shock in Abby's face when she realized who her husband really was. Disturbing as hell.

[Movies205]

I liked it, I just really want read about swamp thing :(

[John Constantine]

Yeah, but what makes Swamp Thing good as well is the supporting characters. From Abby, to Chester, to even John Constantine. I liked how they always spent a few issues dwelling on these characters as well. It helped to flesh them out a bit.

[Movies205]

True I like the Monkey King Arc that was cool :up:

[John Constantine]

Yeah, that was a great story. It was also great because it fits into events later on in the second TPB with Abby and Matt.

Man, this is really making me wanna reread all my Swamp Thing issues :(

[Movies205]

Yeah, that was a great story. It was also great because it fits into events later on in the second TPB with Abby and Matt.

Man, this is really making me wanna reread all my Swamp Thing issues :(

I heard Grant Morrison did a run on Swamp Thing was that any good?

[John Constantine]

Actually Morrison only co-wrote a four issue run with Mark Millar. And I thought that four issue run was very good. It began with a very interesting twist. That Alec Holland woke up and it was revealed that all the things that happened with Swamp THing may've been a hallucination. That's all I'll say about that though :)

[Movies205]

Cool, I'll probably finish reading all my Swamp Thing TPBs(Vol 2-5) and by that time I'll probably have won that auction(hopefully) I was telling you about so I'll probably pick up volume 6-7 of Swamp Thing, then take break from the character and start reading Constantine :up:

[John Constantine]

Man, DC should reprint Swamp Thing TPBs faster. I think they only release them like once a year. But with Volume 7, it's all part of a bigger storyline. The ending of it would feel rather abrupt. But to be honest, I found Veitch's storyline to be almost on par with Moore's work. Plus Veitch managed to include stories with Arcane in it that didn't involve him coming back to life for the 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000th time.

[Movies205]

On Comicsomething.com boards vietch posted that he asked DC if he could finish his storyline, he hasn't a gotten a reply back. He is doing the Question for them now:o

[John Constantine]

Yeah, it would be interesting to see Veitch continue his storyline. But the thing is, after Veitch left, they got Doug Wheeler to essentially finish up what Veitch started in the first place, so it would be a tad awkward to include Veitch's original ending to his storyline in a future TPB.

However, the way Wheeler finished up what Veitch did was a bit.....****ty.

[Movies205]

Was Wheeler any good?

And I also read that because Veitch quit, Neil Gaiman who was suppose to continue writing after him, decline to do so out of support for VEitch but ended up writing Annual 4 later on :up:

[John Constantine]

No. Wheeler's run was absolutely horrible. His stuff could barely be understood at some points. Plus, he did a bit of dialogue with some of the characters that was a mix of French and English. It was good for a bit of authenticity. But seeing like half the book with that dialogue almost drove me nuts.

Yeah, I heard that once Veitch finished up his time-travel storyline (with Swamp THing meeting Jesus), he was then gonna leave the title, and then Neil Gaiman and Jamie Delano were to come on and write alternating stories. That would've been so good :(

[Movies205]

No. Wheeler's run was absolutely horrible. His stuff could barely be understood at some points. Plus, he did a bit of dialogue with some of the characters that was a mix of French and English. It was good for a bit of authenticity. But seeing like half the book with that dialogue almost drove me nuts.

Yeah, I heard that once Veitch finished up his time-travel storyline (with Swamp THing meeting Jesus), he was then gonna leave the title, and then Neil Gaiman and Jamie Delano were to come on and write alternating stories. That would've been so good :(

DC ****ed that one good :( But aren't you canadian, don't canadians speak french? Wouldn't it be no problem for you? Gainman should write some Swamp Thing now and save the book from it's misery :(

[John Constantine]

No, we don't all speak French fluently :rolleyes:eyes: :mad:

And I doubt Gaiman will ever write another issue of Swamp Thing. I mean even with his own creation, Books of Magic, he's only on the book as a "consultant". Which means he probably only gave the basic premise for the current writer and they put his name on the book to sell more copies.

But yeah, if the current Swamp THing series actually gets past issue 20, I'll honestly be surprised.

[Movies205]

No, we don't all speak French fluently :rolleyes:eyes: :mad:

And I doubt Gaiman will ever write another issue of Swamp Thing. I mean even with his own creation, Books of Magic, he's only on the book as a "consultant". Which means he probably only gave the basic premise for the current writer and they put his name on the book to sell more copies.

But yeah, if the current Swamp THing series actually gets past issue 20, I'll honestly be surprised.

It's selling better than Constantine :o Neil Gaiman and Alan Moore have become too big :( I want more of their stories but i hear Gaiman is a better novel writer than comic book writer.

[John Constantine]

For now. Wait until the novelty of a new Swamp Thing wears off. Couple that with the Constanteen movie coming out and Hellblazer might be selling well in a few months. Plus, to be honest, I love what's going on in Hellblazer more than what's going on in Swamp Thing right now.

[Movies205]

Tru but what if DC changes Constantine into Keauno Reeves? It'll start with a hair dye, and then he'll just start changing into Keauno casually, then it'll climb the charts, and then you'll wish it wasn't selling so well :mad:

[John Constantine]

That's actually what I'm afraid of with Constanteen as well. Say if the movie gets big. Then you have those people that loved the movie going to pick up the comic and say "What the hell? How come the Constantine here is a Brit? Who's blonde? and what's with Chas? He's an old man? And where's the holy shotgun?". Then you might have the DC execs going "Hey, you know what? We can actually sell more copies of Hellblazer if we cancel the current series and make him into what he was like in the movie. And let's make it into a regular DCU title because then he can interact with Superman. Because you know, Superman in the book will sell even more"

:mad: :(

[Movies205]

That's actually what I'm afraid of with Constanteen as well. Say if the movie gets big. Then you have those people that loved the movie going to pick up the comic and say "What the hell? How come the Constantine here is a Brit? Who's blonde? and what's with Chas? He's an old man? And where's the holy shotgun?". Then you might have the DC execs going "Hey, you know what? We can actually sell more copies of Hellblazer if we cancel the current series and make him into what he was like in the movie. And let's make it into a regular DCU title because then he can interact with Superman. Because you know, Superman in the book will sell even more"

:mad: :(

Constantine probably could kick Superman's ass since one of Superman's weaknesses is magic :o Anyway it's never quite clarified though whether Vertigo is a seperate world or not.

[John Constantine]

Actually with some of the Vertigo titles (Swamp Thing, Hellblazer, Sandman, Books of Magic) I actually do think they take place in the DCU. A darker part of the DCU, but still, they art part of it. In the early Swamp Thing issues, Swamp Thing has collaborated with many heroes in the DC universe (The Demon, Phantom Stranger, Deadman). And there are some issues in Swamp Thing where John Constantine has met up with Batman. And it was John Constantine after-all who brought Swamp Thing to the events in Crisis. I think in later issues, the characters kinda veered away from the DC universe, but in the early stages, they were a part of it.

[Movies205]

I'd love to see Constantine put the hurt on Superman, but in a very nonchalant way, nothing too flashly maybe a simple spell or two. That be a cool little contained story arc :)

[John Constantine]

Actually if there was gonna be a DC character Constantine should meet, it should be Batman....again. :)

I'm not counting the character in Azzarello's run, however, that was basically Bruce Wayne and in which Constantine had an affair with :mad:

[Movies205]

What? Constantine and Bruce?.... Ew? :confused:

[John Constantine]

Yeah. In the final Azzarello arc, there was this character called CW Manor. He had this butler called Fredo. And there were scenes in which Constantine and CW got....intimate. That's probably why Azzarello's run should probably be ignored most of the time :o

But check out this page in which CW gets introduced to his new ward, Tim:

http://www.insanerantings.com/hell/comics/ongoing/images/hb1742.jpg

[Movies205]

That's freaky :eek: So I take it I should avoid Azzarello's Constantine stuff?

[John Constantine]

Yeah. It basically acts as a stand-alone story anyways. It's just Azzarello writing what he does best. Except he put John Constantine in it.


The sad thing is, besides Warren Ellis (and even then that was 10 issues), Azzarello's run is the only one that is fully collected at this point. Not even all of Ennis' issues have been collected in TPB form yet.

[Movies205]

You know we could just do this chatting on AIM :D But anyway Constantine seems cool, but when I get to reading him all depends I got some video stuff :( Anyway you read the Robin/Batgirl cross-over?

[DrSpengler]

I just got into Alan Moore's Saga of Swamp Thing stuff. I've read the first two volumes and I've been blown away. The man knows how to write an excellent horror story, and the artwork is fantastic. I also enjoy the occasional appearance of DC characters, setting the book firmly in the DC universe though it seems so incredibly different.

This definately isn't the Swamp Thing I remember. I grew up on the movies, the cartoon and the live action tv series (Anybody remember the Sci-fi Channel's annual Swamp Thing Day?). All of them were goofy and cheesey, hardly what the comic is (violent and disturbing).

I'm going to continue to pick up all the Swamp Thing trades until I run out. Ths was first venture into DC's Vertigo line, it actually inspired me to go pick up the first Sandman TPB (which I has dismissed for years as being too "goth"). I was absolutely impressed by that as well. Swamp Thing may be the best book I'm reading right now, and it's almost 20 years old.

[Movies205]

Too bad the new series is no where near as good, truth be told I really liked the first arc of the new series, they should of kept him as writer.

[Themanofbat]

Actually with some of the Vertigo titles (Swamp Thing, Hellblazer, Sandman, Books of Magic) I actually do think they take place in the DCU. A darker part of the DCU, but still, they art part of it. In the early Swamp Thing issues, Swamp Thing has collaborated with many heroes in the DC universe (The Demon, Phantom Stranger, Deadman). And there are some issues in Swamp Thing where John Constantine has met up with Batman. And it was John Constantine after-all who brought Swamp Thing to the events in Crisis. I think in later issues, the characters kinda veered away from the DC universe, but in the early stages, they were a part of it.

Don't forget Zatanna when she got stoned at Johnny's 40th birthday party.
Swampy even provided the pot. :up:

:)

[Themanofbat]

DC ****ed that one good :( But aren't you canadian, don't canadians speak french? Wouldn't it be no problem for you? Gainman should write some Swamp Thing now and save the book from it's misery :(

Being in Eastern Canada, I grew up speaking both French & English, so those books weren't a problem for me at all.

Nonetheless, Wheeler's run was terrible and a waste of 3 years of my life.

:mad: :mad: :mad:

[John Constantine]

Don't forget Zatanna when she got stoned at Johnny's 40th birthday party.
Swampy even provided the pot. :up:

:)

Oh right. Forgot about that :D

That issue was probably one of my favorite ones. Laughed my ass off when Constantine pissed on the Stranger's shoes :D

[Movies205]

Constantine kicks ass, I've started to read book 3(I'm half-way through it), he such an ******* :up: Favorite story arc so far in when Swamp Thing must travel through the underworld to find his abby's soul :up:

[DrSpengler]

Constantine kicks ass, I've started to read book 3(I'm half-way through it), he such an ******* :up: Favorite story arc so far in when Swamp Thing must travel through the underworld to find his abby's soul :up:

Just finished reading that one, myself. Kevin Smith certainly borrowed a lot from that arc when he wrote Quiver, though it's probably just a concidence. The Spectre, the Phantom Stranger, Etrigan, Deadman, all appearing together for the lead character's journey into the afterlife to find a lot soul. But instead of going into Hell, Smith had them go into Heaven. Again, probably just a coincidence, but the exact same handful of characters (save Swamp Thing) doing something similar in different parts of the afterlife.

[John Constantine]

Constantine kicks ass, I've started to read book 3(I'm half-way through it), he such an ******* :up: Favorite story arc so far in when Swamp Thing must travel through the underworld to find his abby's soul :up:

I love that tale. Like I said, it's basically a continuation of everything Moore started since issue 21. I mean everything that happened before set that up so well.

[Movies205]

Just finished reading that one, myself. Kevin Smith certainly borrowed a lot from that arc when he wrote Quiver, though it's probably just a concidence. The Spectre, the Phantom Stranger, Etrigan, Deadman, all appearing together for the lead character's journey into the afterlife to find a lot soul. But instead of going into Hell, Smith had them go into Heaven. Again, probably just a coincidence, but the exact same handful of characters (save Swamp Thing) doing something similar in different parts of the afterlife.

Though you have to recongize that these characters are used all the time by other people, in the last green arrow arc by Winnick(the one with the demons), Etrigan's alter-ego is in one the issues. Deadman was in Kingdom Come also, these characters are used a lot when talking about the super-natural. The DCU is a rather small universe all considering, I mean there are a lot of smaller characters, but there's a core stable of about I say 50-100 characters, and there used regularly.

[Movies205]

I love that tale. Like I said, it's basically a continuation of everything Moore started since issue 21. I mean everything that happened before set that up so well.

I now have an urge to go track donw John Constantine books and read them, the movie best not **** up his character or I'll be pissed :( I don't really care about the holy shot-gun and the other details, but I mean the core character, and quite frankly I don't know if Keano Reeves can pull off the slick con-man ******* role :(

[John Constantine]

Well even with the look, Alan Moore obviously based John Constantine after Sting. Hell, Alan Moore even said one time his first choice for Constantine would be Sting. You know what WB said? They wanted someone who could act. :rolleyes: I don't know why they casted Keanu then :o :D

And actually the inclusion of the holy shotgun does go against Constantine's character a bit. It'll kinda be like Batman using guns to mow down villains.

[Movies205]

Well even with the look, Alan Moore obviously based John Constantine after Sting. Hell, Alan Moore even said one time his first choice for Constantine would be Sting. You know what WB said? They wanted someone who could act. :rolleyes: I don't know why they casted Keanu then :o :D

And actually the inclusion of the holy shotgun does go against Constantine's character a bit. It'll kinda be like Batman using guns to mow down villains.

Yeah I know and I was thinking that when I was posting that but you know I'm just kind of hoping they don't **** it up cuz after reading him in Swamp Thing he's just so damn awesome :up: I don't wnat him screwed up :( Also I read that Moore really didn't care if John Constantine was british but DC said he should be british hence he became british.

[John Constantine]

Well to be honest, the John Constantine in the Swamp Thing issues is pretty different from the John Constantine in the Hellblazer issues. In Swamp Thing (mainly when Moore was writing him) he seemed more of a mystery man. He'd always show up and give Alec some cryptic message, and he'd be on his way. In the early issues, particularly by Delano, he's way more haunted, especially by the events of Newcastle and you can definitely see that he's more of an adrenaline junkie. Although Alan Moore created the character, it's actually Jamie Delano and Garth Ennis who actually made Constantine what he is today.

[DrSpengler]

Though you have to recongize that these characters are used all the time by other people, in the last green arrow arc by Winnick(the one with the demons), Etrigan's alter-ego is in one the issues. Deadman was in Kingdom Come also, these characters are used a lot when talking about the super-natural. The DCU is a rather small universe all considering, I mean there are a lot of smaller characters, but there's a core stable of about I say 50-100 characters, and there used regularly.

Yeah, I know. Whenever there's something supernatural going on those are the characters that are typically used. It's just that Smith chose to use all of them in a similar fashion during a similar plot.

Swamp Thing goes into Hell to find Abby's soul. First he has Deadman as his guide, then the Phanntom Stranger. The Spectre appears and at first opposes Swamp Thing's entrance into Hell but eventually lets them pass. Then Etrigan shows up as Swamp Thing's guide.

Ollie goes into Heaven to find his own soul. He has the Spectre as his guide, then the Phantom Stranger shows up and at first opposes Ollie's entrace into Heaven but then backs down and lets them pass. Once in Heaven they meet Deadman and send him to stall Etrigan.

Same cast of unearthly characters used in similar ways (though the Spectre and the Phantom Stranger's roles reverse) during a similar plot (instead of soul-searching in Hell, they do it in Heaven).

Though to Smith's credit, Quiver was written excellently. I just got a serious deja-vu feeling when I was reading Swamp Thing: Love and Death.

[Movies205]

I neeed to re-read quiver I remember it but I don't remember any of the heaven part except when he(GA Shell) talks to Ollie(Spirit) in heaven :o

[Movies205]

Well to be honest, the John Constantine in the Swamp Thing issues is pretty different from the John Constantine in the Hellblazer issues. In Swamp Thing (mainly when Moore was writing him) he seemed more of a mystery man. He'd always show up and give Alec some cryptic message, and he'd be on his way. In the early issues, particularly by Delano, he's way more haunted, especially by the events of Newcastle and you can definitely see that he's more of an adrenaline junkie. Although Alan Moore created the character, it's actually Jamie Delano and Garth Ennis who actually made Constantine what he is today.

As long as he still an *******, who not too flashy with his powers, and seem to know like a **** load of people then I'm all set :up:

[John Constantine]

As long as he still an *******, who not too flashy with his powers, and seem to know like a **** load of people then I'm all set :up:

He's always been a bit of an *******. And he's never been flashy. Oh sure he'll use magic every now and then, but very rarely does he ever use it. He's more of a low key guy. He gets off a lot due to luck and his rep. Like people hear he's this "Big great Mage" and try to avoid him. Plus, it doesn't help that practically everybody that he comes into contact with usually ends up dead. :o

[DrSpengler]

I neeed to re-read quiver I remember it but I don't remember any of the heaven part except when he(GA Shell) talks to Ollie(Spirit) in heaven :o

That's actually my favorite part of the story. Seeing Barry Allen running around with Jason Todd hanging out in the background.

"Is that Robin?"

"One of em."

And Deadman's possession of Etrigan was fantastic. A great read, just a real deja-vu moment from Swamp Thing. Kevin Smith may be clueless whenit comes to writing movies (Clerks being the exception, and bits of Mallrats) but he certainly has his DC characters down pat.

[Movies205]

He's always been a bit of an *******. And he's never been flashy. Oh sure he'll use magic every now and then, but very rarely does he ever use it. He's more of a low key guy. He gets off a lot due to luck and his rep. Like people hear he's this "Big great Mage" and try to avoid him. Plus, it doesn't help that practically everybody that he comes into contact with usually ends up dead. :o

Wowzer, he does use magic occasionally though right? Cuz it be ghey if he never uses magic but I like how he manages to use his wits/luck to get out of things rather than coming up with uber spells and waht not.

Dr. Spengler yeah it was a good arc, I'll have to re-read it again sometime.

[John Constantine]

Wowzer, he does use magic occasionally though right? Cuz it be ghey if he never uses magic but I like how he manages to use his wits/luck to get out of things rather than coming up with uber spells and waht not.

Dr. Spengler yeah it was a good arc, I'll have to re-read it again sometime.

Yeah, he does use the occasional incantation every now and then. But nothing like putting his feet in a bucket of water to go to hell ;)

[Movies205]

Yeah, he does use the occasional incantation every now and then. But nothing like putting his feet in a bucket of water to go to hell ;)

I can't tell whether you're being sarcastic meaning he does that one time or your referencing another character :(

[Movies205]

I just saw the new trailer and know what your talking about :( He doesn't actually do a lot in the trailer so it's possible it could still be a lot like the comics :)

[John Constantine]

Man, I'm loving the cover to Swamp Thing issue 13 by John Totleben:

http://dccomics.com/media/covers/2815_400x600.jpg

[Movies205]

That is sweet :up: You don't touch swamp thing's woman! As Gotham City learned the hard way :(

[Movies205]

Finished reading Swamp Thing volume 5, I'm going order Swamp Thing Vol. 6 Reunion(Last of Alan Moore Run), Swamp Thing Vol. 7 Regenesis(Beginning of Veitch's run), and Hellblazer: Dangerous Habits tommorow :up:

[Themanofbat]

Finished reading Swamp Thing volume 5, I'm going order Swamp Thing Vol. 6 Reunion(Last of Alan Moore Run), Swamp Thing Vol. 7 Regenesis(Beginning of Veitch's run), and Hellblazer: Dangerous Habits tommorow :up:

I love Dangerous Habits.....

:)

[Movies205]

It was recommended by this thread only other member, Timothy Hunter :) I figure I'm going take a break from swamp thing for a while(Besides reading the new monthly series) and start reading some hellblazer. Any other good trades I should pick up?

[John Constantine]

I love Dangerous Habits.....

:)

Yeah, that TPB got me started on my Hellblazer love. Garth Ennis' run is probably my favorite run on the book....Son of Man aside :)

[Movies205]

Out of curiosity did you start reading Swamp Thing first or Hellblazer?

[Themanofbat]

Out of curiosity did you start reading Swamp Thing first or Hellblazer?

I was reading Swamp Thing back in it's original 24 issue run in the 70's.

When they relaunched the title in 1980, I picked it up, and bought it monthly until the end. And along the way, I managed to get introduced to John Constantine, and have been picking up HellBlazer since issue #1 as well.

:)

[John Constantine]

What do you think about Constantine, tmob? :confused:

Oh, and personally, I started with Swamp Thing first. After reading Alan Moore's "Anatomy Lesson" I was hooked on the title right away. That was one excellent read.

[Movies205]

1. Swamp Thing Love and Death VOl. 2
2. Saga of the Swamp Thing VOl. 1
3. Swamp Thing Murder of the Crows Vol. 4
4. Swamp Thing Vol. 3 The Curse
5. Swamp Thing Dark Genesis(Orignal 10 issues)
6. Swamp Thing Vol. 5 Earth to EArth

How I organize the 6 TPBs I've read, all great reads :up:

[Themanofbat]

What do you think about Constantine, tmob? :confused:

The movie???

I'm keeping my hopes up, but I have a bad feeling that I will be let down, as I usually am by WB/DC movies.

But my fingers are crossed....

:)

[Movies205]

The movie looks decent but just not the constatine from the comics at least from what I read in swamp thing :(

[Movies205]

Finished reading Swamp Thing volume 5, I'm going order Swamp Thing Vol. 6 Reunion(Last of Alan Moore Run), Swamp Thing Vol. 7 Regenesis(Beginning of Veitch's run), and Hellblazer: Dangerous Habits tommorow :up:

Well I got Hellblazer: Dangerous Habits and it was a fabulous read :up: The first issue or two's a bit slow at time but over-all a good read. I love how Constantine's an ******* who gets out of things using his wits, like when he trickes the devil into drinking holy water or at the end so what next should I read?

[jackcool]

Yep. Dangerous Habits is probably one of my favorite Hellblazer stories. The way he screwed over the Lords of hell was such a great twist. Plus, you gotta love his parting remark to them ;)

As to what to read next. You could try and TPBs by Ennis and Dillon....but there's a huge chunk missing from there. Or maybe just pick up Original Sins :confused:

[Themanofbat]

Issue #12 came out last week.... anybody still reading this book?

I am. :)

[Movies205]

I am but I didn't pick up anything last week, and I didn't pick it up this week, it's just lying in my file :(

[John Constantine]

Yeah, I'm still reading the book. And after a slow first few issues, I must say that this book is getting better and better. Some of the scenes are disturbing and pretty damn gory, but I'm definitely getting a kick out of it. Plus, I'm liking this new Swamp Thing more and more with each issue.

[Themanofbat]

Bumped for the King O'Dreams.... :)

[KingOfDreams]

Bumped for the King O'Dreams.... :)

Thanks.