punisher vs batman

[spider-jide]

my money is on punisher, he's got the guns the skills and he's hardcore, he'd finish the fight before it even started. bats would get his clock cleaned twice! what do you lot think?

[Endeavor]

Marvel fan as I may be I think Bats wins this one. Wayne's just plain smarter than Castle.

[Gainsboro]

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[Endeavor]

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[fluxuk]

i think, spider jide, you should go back to the spiderman forum.

[The Batman]

Oh god, i'm sorry, but if you think punisher can beat Batman Easily, you're an idiot.

1. Batman knows every martial arts move

2. Batman wears a ton of Kevlar

3. Batman would know Punisher is coming.


As cool as Punisher is, he would get his ass handed to him. Oh wait, that already happened. TWICE

[Loner]

In a head-on fight Batman would win, however in anything other than a head-on fight it would be more balanced.

[spider-jide]

first of all fluxuk, i think you should shut your darn mouth, if your not going to answer the question dont bother posting.
Secondly, to the batman, i dont appreciate being called an idiot, i stated my opinion not facts, i've also asked a simple, clean question, so ditch the hostility and lastly i respect everyone's oppinion if you think bats would win, then good for you.

[Gainsboro]

This thread's old, and in another forum.

[Kmack]

Batman. All he has to do is wait for the Punisher to run out of bullets.

[toaster monkey]

It's not like there's anything better to talk about so I say welcome the topic.
Despite being a Punisher fan, I think Batman would win. It's not like he's never faced a soldier who knows his guns. Batman would have gadgets to work around Punisher.

[Gainsboro]

Being a fan of only one of the comics, I can't really be a judge between the two.

But most people who know their stuff say Batman, so I guess it would be him.

[fluxuk]

spider, be clear, i'll say what i want.

this is a retarded thread. the sort that gives comics a bad name.

[spider-jide]

whatever flux. Anyway yeah, to be honest it would be a tough fight, i think both would get the snot kicked out of each other but hmmm. i'm not so sure anymore.

[Bapman]

Look its pointless ok.
All the people here are HARDCORE fans ok.
Which means reasons DO NOT matter.
The argument style here is
1 Character would the beat other... WHY ??? He just would... no proper explanation.

I mean every Batman fan thinks he can take out everyone.
I mean when arguing about a Superman or Spidey.... the elseworld stories don't matter BUT
Whenever we switch to BATMAN... instatntly comes DKR n other ones.

Then "THE BATMAN" explanation... he wears Kevler... oh wow... what a reasoning man.
He wears lots of Kevler
Do you KNOW that a sniper bullet can go through a freaking bullet armour at 350 yards ???
Kevler my sad butt.

Batman knows every martial arts moves... SOOO ??? Castle knows how to counteract them with Weapons
If you're gonna use dumba$$ reasons like that thn FINE PUNISHER the best gunman out there.

Batman would know PUNISHER is coming ???
Ofcourse... if PUNISHER is watching him from 400 yards away with a sniper scope BATMAN would know right ???
WHY ??? 'Cause soooo damn smart isn't it.

PLEASE... listen to the reasons you guys give. If you yourself can't see how SILLY they sound then well... wht can I say ???

Lastly... I think Batman can beat PUNISHER but depending on a situation.
If BATs knows PUNISHER is after him... thn he'd win

If PUNISHER one sudden day decides to go after BATMAN... thn NO.
No matter wht kinda weird reasons you give... BATMAN is human there is NO WAY hell on earth he'd know tht someone somewhere for some reason decided kill him by staying 400 yards away with a sniper scope.

[Gainsboro]

If the sun hits the lens of the scope right, then Batman could see the glare.

[Jeckel]

Batman would take Punisher down in a heart beat, well actually knowing how these things roll out before the fight got brutal they would end up fighting together or something....

[Loner]

Originally posted by Gainsboro
If the sun hits the lens of the scope right, then Batman could see the glare.
The sun shines in Gotham?

[Bapman]

Oh geeee... a lens glare from 400 yards away... would be perfectly visible thorugh all the normal lgares of the sun on the windows.

Come to think of it... knowing the BATMAN writers... that's probably how it will be.
I mean they always DO have to make the other character look stupid in order for HIM to look better.

Again... see how JECKEL argues with prescion.
BATMAN would take out PUNISHER in a heartbeat... how and why ???
Oh that doesn't matter... he just WOULD know.
JUST WOULD.

After reading DKR 2 I think that's how the damn BATMAN writers wite the damn story.

"Hey let's make take this guy out"
"HOW ???"
"I don't know... he's BATMAN... he can take anyone out and he just would"

What great reasoning.

[Gainsboro]

Hey, man, I'm not trying to refute your statement. No need to get defensive, and everything...

But if the time and place was right, yes, Batman would see the glare off the scope lens. Lets say they're in the middle of the desert, where the sun is shining bright, and there is NOTHING that could cast a flashy reflection...

Hell, nobody specified the location of this showdown, so I took a page out of Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade when they see the glare off of his binocs when he's in the hills.

Personally, I think this is a stupid argument...

Batman and Punisher have no reason to fight, except when they cross paths in the wrong circumstances. There's no reason why the Punisher would be hunting Batman, so he couldn't get a surprise attack.

What I mean is they're both after the same crook, and find him at the same time. Punisher wants a frag, but Batman wants to leave him to the cops. Such tensions raise tempers, and it's not long before they're at eachother's throats. In which case, Batman, the obvious superior, would lay the obvious smack down.

[MJZ]

Frank's always armed to the teeth, so Bats would have to keep his distance from him.

In a pure hand to hand fight, Bats would wipe the floor with Frank. Not that Frank isn't a tough SOB, he certainly is, but Batman's had the best training in the world since he was 8 years old.

Punisher could attempt to track Batman and snipe him in the face, but that's highly unlikely, considering that the Dark Knight can be a shadow on the wall if he so pleases.

[jhvau]

Why does everyone say that Batman would wipe the floor with Frank in hand to hand combat. Frank has had training in that area too.

[MJZ]

Originally posted by jhvau
Why does everyone say that Batman would wipe the floor with Frank in hand to hand combat. Frank has had training in that area too.

Yeah, the limited hand to hand training you receive in the USMC. Contrast that with Batman, who's pretty much devoted his life to being the most adept at hand to hand combat, ever since he was a child.

[S_H_F_4839]

Originally posted by Bapman
Look its pointless ok.
All the people here are HARDCORE fans ok.
Which means reasons DO NOT matter.
The argument style here is
1 Character would the beat other... WHY ??? He just would... no proper explanation.

I mean every Batman fan thinks he can take out everyone.
I mean when arguing about a Superman or Spidey.... the elseworld stories don't matter BUT
Whenever we switch to BATMAN... instatntly comes DKR n other ones.

Then "THE BATMAN" explanation... he wears Kevler... oh wow... what a reasoning man.
He wears lots of Kevler
Do you KNOW that a sniper bullet can go through a freaking bullet armour at 350 yards ???
Kevler my sad butt.

Batman knows every martial arts moves... SOOO ??? Castle knows how to counteract them with Weapons
If you're gonna use dumba$$ reasons like that thn FINE PUNISHER the best gunman out there.

Batman would know PUNISHER is coming ???
Ofcourse... if PUNISHER is watching him from 400 yards away with a sniper scope BATMAN would know right ???
WHY ??? 'Cause soooo damn smart isn't it.

PLEASE... listen to the reasons you guys give. If you yourself can't see how SILLY they sound then well... wht can I say ???

Lastly... I think Batman can beat PUNISHER but depending on a situation.
If BATs knows PUNISHER is after him... thn he'd win

If PUNISHER one sudden day decides to go after BATMAN... thn NO.
No matter wht kinda weird reasons you give... BATMAN is human there is NO WAY hell on earth he'd know tht someone somewhere for some reason decided kill him by staying 400 yards away with a sniper scope.

I am a fan of punisher and batman I think this would end in a draw. I mean punisher would not want to use lethal force on batman because he would know from gotham sources that the bat is a good guy. I think that if punisher was going to fight batman it would probably be a straight up fight just to see who was a better fighter. I dont think batman would try to kill Punisher either.

My only reason for saying draw is because captain america once threw his sheild at the punisher and he stopped it with his foot. He punisher if he has the skills I think he is supposed to have in the movie then it would be a draw.

Spidey_Hulk_Fan

:spidey: :hulk:

[fluxuk]

this is immensely pathetic.

[War Lord]

Originally posted by spider-jide
my money is on punisher, he's got the guns the skills and he's hardcore, he'd finish the fight before it even started. bats would get his clock cleaned twice! what do you lot think?

And Batman doesn't have any skills or is not hardcore, right?

[The Batman]

Oh man, some punisher fans dont know crap about Batman, what so ever. I'm glad that most of you have sensibility.

[fluxuk]

"sensibility"

jesus...

[evileggplant]

umm. I kinda with the other guys when it comes to the idea that this post will never end. Fans will be fans. But I do have this to say.

The idea that Batman can beat the punisher in a hand to hand fight is a little silly. Sure batman has trained since he was 8 with the best people in the world blah blah blah and so on and so forth. This is great and means that bats would be one bad mo fo. But lets not forget this. Good old batman has to spend half of his days as Bruce. Good old Bruce. Thus by default his training time is cut in half. Also his time as Batman is cut in half thus his practical application part of his hand to hand training is halfed as well.

On the other hand all the punisher (frank) does is train to kill. If you have ever read the punisher comics Frank dose not limit this training to just guns. Frank does hand to hand as well. Thus Frank tains day in and day out killing criminals in all sorts of neat ways with out having to dedicate anytime to an alter ego. By this logic Frank has more field experince than batman does.

I make a big deal about field/practical application because I have done martial arts since I was about 8 as well. Its all about using what you learn in the real world. Forms/contact sparring doesnt prepare you for a real fight. Thus because Frank is in the field more he will have more experince plus he does not limit his training to non lethal techinques.

Going by all of this a hand to hand fight between the two men would not be as cut and dry as some people think. The fight would be a realy good one that could go either way.

And for all you people out there who think Frank is some mindless brute who just kills..... read the comics and not the stupid cross over one. Cross overs butcher characters to make others seem better. Frank is a fairly intelgent man who uses all sorts of creative plans with vairiing back up plans to do his job. Frank is not dumb just dedicated.

[X]

Good post evileggplant... :)

And welcome to The Hype...

[fluxuk]

that this is even a "discussion" is a "little silly"

[HungLow]

The Punisher Killed off the entire Marvel universe...surely Batman would be no different.

My money is on The Punisher.

Batman with all his matching bat-gadgets/bat-accessories and his scantely clad boy side-kick....Well Ya'll know the rest.

[Docker2.0]

Why is this thread silly? they are both ordinary men who train all the time. Batman will win, but it wouldn't really be as close as peeps make it out to be.

[fluxuk]

it is immensely stupid.

it's like kids who asked if The Hulk could beat Superman... fine when you're 10, a little embarrassing when you're in your late teens.

THEY ARE FICTIONAL CHARACTERS and this is the precise reason that comics get labelled as immature. it's fan-boy jizz.

[Gainsboro]

Originally posted by fluxuk
it is immensely stupid.

it's like kids who asked if The Hulk could beat Superman... fine when you're 10, a little embarrassing when you're in your late teens.

THEY ARE FICTIONAL CHARACTERS and this is the precise reason that comics get labelled as immature. it's fan-boy jizz.

Stop - Drop - KABOOM!

Can we say owned?

[Flame on!]

Okay, let's use real people then....hey who'd win between Fred Savage and Ben Folds? Anyone? No?

[Gainsboro]

Savage would kick his ass.

[Outsiderzedge]

The Batman brought up that Batman wears a lot of Kevlar but Bapman is right. An AWP round goes through Kevlar like it was butter meaning if Frank had a sufficiently powerful sniper rifle like that , he could snipe Batman from 500 yards without Batman even knowing.

[HungLow]

Batman would be panicking trying to get his Bat-arrangmamathingy out of his bat-utility bat-belt...

Meanwhile

The Punisher would do a fast-switch from D-Eagle to AWP while bunny-hopping (like a l33t h@x0r ofcourse!) and pop bat-boy with a clean head-shot to his bat-head, splashing bat-brain matter all over the bat-cave.




Ya ever get the feeling Batman is WAY TOO obsessed about Bats?
Why does all his gadgets have to be in the shape of a bat and re-named Bat-whatever ????

Batman is a sick freak!!!...get over it!!!!

[DJ4MEoyg]

my money would be on the punisher. much more firpower. i mean, batboy has gadgets, but i don't think that matters if frank blows all the gadgets to hell.

[spider-jide]

Originally posted by HungLow
Batman would be panicking trying to get his Bat-arrangmamathingy out of his bat-utility bat-belt...

Meanwhile

The Punisher would do a fast-switch from D-Eagle to AWP while bunny-hopping (like a l33t h@x0r ofcourse!) and pop bat-boy with a clean head-shot to his bat-head, splashing bat-brain matter all over the bat-cave.




Ya ever get the feeling Batman is WAY TOO obsessed about Bats?
Why does all his gadgets have to be in the shape of a bat and re-named Bat-whatever ????

Batman is a sick freak!!!...get over it!!!!


Can somebody please give this guy a huge round of applause, better yet a standing ovation. Oh and fluxuk you suck!

[fluxuk]

just cause i wouldn't suck you.

you're still a fu*king moron.

[toaster monkey]

Let's try to stay on the subject here people.

Now, would ben Folds be able to hide things in his piano? Like guns and knives? Would it be a grand piano or a normal one? Because if it was a grand piano and I was writing the story, I'd have Ben Folds take a rocket launcher out and fire it at fred Savage. But would Fred Savage be portraying Kevin Arnold because if he was, that would mean that since he was narrating as an adult at the same time, he obviously must have survived to that stage in life and was not killed by Ben Folds. Or maybe Ben Folds would just throw a brick, knock him out for twenty years, and then wait to kill him as an adult.

[HungLow]

Ben Folds would Strangle that little puke with Piano wire.

[Loner]

Personally, I'd rather see a matchup between Hannibal Lechter and John Doe(From Se7en).

[spider-jide]

flux your the only moron around here so **** you!

[Gainsboro]

For a guy who can't even spell the F-word correctly, I think it's a bit hypocritical for you to call other people morons. :rolleyes:

[toaster monkey]

i'll bet Fred Savage could spell the F word correctly. that'd give him a major edge. i'll bet he could spell it even better than Ben Folds because when you think about it, you only HEAR ben folds SAY the f word but how do we know that he's the one that actually writes it?
Also, would Fred Savage have the monsters from Little Monsters on his side?

[fluxuk]

i still think that Brick is a great song...

[toaster monkey]

Didnt Fred Savage sing on a charity song?

[SiNtZu89]

BATMAN already settled this conversation, in two crossover events. HE whooped his ass......PERIOD

[HungLow]

Originally posted by SiNtZu89
BATMAN already settled this conversation, in two crossover events. HE whooped his ass......PERIOD

The Punisher killed the whole freakin Marvel universe.
Aint no spandex clad bat-boy gonna whoop anyone with a .50 in each hand.


What did batman do...use his bat-nuchakus, his bat-boomarangy thingy??????


I can imagine the Dialog between these two...
:batman: Vs :unishr:

Batman: You Made me !
Punisher: WHAT !
Batman: Its scum like you that made me !
" BANG !"
Batman: Jeesus freakin Christ!..YOU SHOT ME !
"BANG!"
Batman: Oh My God I'M Bleeding !
"BANG!"
Batman: Cant...feel..my...legs!
"BANG!"
Batman: Guurrglgglle...
"SPLAT!"
Punisher: Yeah...I made you now!

[toaster monkey]

Batman: Hey! How'd you find the Batcave?!
Punisher: I followed your damn Batmobile. It sticks out like a sore thumb. If I didnt spot it I could've still heard it! Frickin' jet engine it has! How do you keep that thing moving through heavy traffic anyway?
Batman: Well I...
Punisher: Too much talking already. *Launches rocket at the ceiling and Batman is killed by rocks*
Winner: The ceiling.

[HungLow]

toaster-monkey: have I have no talent, so I stole this creative and witty reply.
HungLow: No ***** !
Punisher: No! dont use the .50 on that monkey...its too expensive...here use my .22
HungLow: toaster-Monkey....get more creative.
toaster-monkey: Ok...dont hit me again...please
HungLow: Its gonna be O K !:)

[toaster monkey]

I forgot, are you mad at me?

[HungLow]

Its Gonna be O K ! :)

[toaster monkey]

Ah, well, if I'm gonna be ok than that's always good. I apologize if I ripped off your post, I just wasn't sure if you were mad at me about something else

[HungLow]

Not at all...it just added to the DRAMA.
Ah come on....I added you to a scene with the Punisher...how cool is that ???

[toaster monkey]

Sweet, I hope they get someone other than rebecca romjin stamos to play me. she gets every marvel part

[HungLow]

eh...well....ooops...hey at least you had a nice thong on.

[toaster monkey]

Boy, and she thought the make-up for playing Mystique took a long time to put on

[HungLow]

Cant go wrong when you go thong.

[SiNtZu89]

Its already official, dumbasses, read the books and f**kin figure it out your f**kin self you f**kin qweers.

Hunglow: stick that dildo up my ass!!!

Toaster monkey: sure thing, but do me first!!!!!

HAHAHHAHHAHHAHAH!!!!!!!!

[SiNtZu89]

HHAHAHHAHAHHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I can't stop laughing!!!!!!

[SiNtZu89]

Punisher whips out his duel 50- Desert Eagle and blasts away at the dark knight as he flees away into the shadows.

Punisher puts on his nightvision goggles and picks up his rocket launcher.

By this time, Batman his unleashed a barrage of batarangs into Castle's direction. Castle dodges it with his old army training.

Panicking, He fires the Launcher at Bat's last position but manages to shoot half off a building.

Bats, using an ancient asian martial arts technique, knocks Castle out from the shadows and quickly disarms his dazed foe.

Now it's hand to hand combat, Bats with a batarang and Castle with a army knife, both exchanging sharp slashes to the body.

Bats, once again decides to use his fighting techniques as an advantage, and unleashes mayhem on the bigger but more slower opponent.

Castle, remembering his old army training, manages to fight back and counter,but 10-years of traing mind and body for Bats has taught him more then CASTLE will ever know in his lifetime.

The victor in my book: Batman

The man who would come up short: Punisher

[Loner]

I found this little info on the bio page of Frank castle at Marvel.com (http://www.marvel.com/bios/bios.htm?id=22&family=MARVEL+HEROES)

Powers: A seasoned combat veteran of exceptional skill, the Punisher possesses the normal human strength of a man his age, height and build who engages in intensive regular exercise. A former U.S. Marine captain with a distinguished combat record who has undergone SEAL (Sea Air Land), UDT (Underwater Demolition Team) and LRPA (Long Range Patrol) training, Frank Castle is well-versed in the arts of warfare and hand-to-hand combat.

So the victory wouldn't be so cut and dry, unlike some hack writer who writes a crossover and doesn't know the details of a character make it seem.

[SiNtZu89]

that makes more sense then predicting the victor, but I was simply putting out a point. Another writer can change all that by making a third crossover.

[toaster monkey]

Dude, you're gonna get kicked off the boards any day now

[The Batman]

God, Punisher fans are idiots

[Loner]

Batman fans need an enema.

Frankly, if you're not going to the show the details of the fight then don't bother having a fight. Same bull**** that had Wolverine beating Lobo.

[The Batman]

man, i bet punisher fans think that Frank can beat Superman with a sniper rifle. They are THAT stupid.

[MJZ]

Oh these vs. arguments are downright silly. Fun at times, sure, but on the whole they're dumber than dirt. Hypothetical questions posed regarding fantasy characters. Riiight.

Now, Batman faces armed thugs w/o breaking a sweat, so why would Punisher be any different? Has Caine killed Bats? Nope, certainly has come close, but that's the best reference on this matter around.

[toaster monkey]

these threads are lame but there's not much else to talk about

[HungLow]

SiNtZu89 keep your mouth shut....make it personal and I'll break my foot in yo ***** ***** *** &* ***** *** !!!!!

Stick to the topic!



The reasons I dont like Batman today are:

1, Sidekicks...Sidekicks only make you look lame...Its Ok and kinda cool when he does team-ups with other characters...but having a permanent sidekick is lame.

2, Lame Villans...The Joker, Penguin, scarecrow, mad hatter etc!
A hero beating up a midget and an anemic/anorexic guy with a chemical imbalance dont look so tough...I'm surprised Batman hasnt fought Bozo The Clown or Howdy Doody yet

3, Bat-gadgets...all his stuff is in the shape off a bat and renamed bat-something...This really makes Batman look like a fool..."Hmm lets see the only way to defeat my enemy is to make a weapon in the shape of a bat and rename it Bat-thingy"
Batman would benefit more from having Gadgets and tools that look real.

4, Bat-mobile...very subtle...again..in the shape of a bat.
How about something more covert and low key...like a cab, or something else that sticks out a little less?....Alfred could drive it.

5, The bat-signal...how poor is the Gotham police department that they can only depend on batman to save them?
Batman would denfinatly be cooler as a renegade vigilante.


6, Dialog..." You made me"," No! you made me" etc!


Tell me I'm wrong....if you like Batman for some of those reason, then good for you...but dont expect everyone else to have bad taste.

[SiNtZu89]

NOW who's off the ****in subject????? You specifically told me to stick to the BATMAN vs. Punisher topic while you go on babling about why you hate BATMAN. ****ing hypocrite.

Tell you what, give me your address so I can go over their and smack your ass silly. ****in Dumb****......

[SiNtZu89]

Sintzu89's address:
1120 Oakhaven Dr. EL Cajon Ca 92019

Now hurry up and get over here so I can kick your ass, HUNGLOW.

[Gainsboro]

If you guys are as big as idiots as to start physical duels over an internet forum argument... I honestly advise the both of you to get off this forum and do something with yourselves.

[spider-jide]

Originally posted by Gainsboro
For a guy who can't even spell the F-word correctly, I think it's a bit hypocritical for you to call other people morons. :rolleyes:


Look you panzy, its not like i can go around swearing at people, i'd get kicked off or suspended or whatever, so i made a subtle change to the word, any person with an ounce of intelligence would know this, tut so, hows about changing your name from Gainsboro to Gains a brain.

[Gainsboro]

Originally posted by spider-jide
Look you panzy, its not like i can go around swearing at people, i'd get kicked off or suspended or whatever, so i made a subtle change to the word, any person with an ounce of intelligence would know this, tut so, hows about changing your name from Gainsboro to Gains a brain.

Okay, I take that back...

What I meant was...

For a guy capable of making that long and that ridiculous of a run-on sentence, it's a bit hypocritical for you to call other people morons.

And you spelled "pansy" wrong.

[Bapman]

FU[K YOU ALL MOTHAAA FU[KERS !!!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA !!!
Now chill.... CHHHHIIIILLLLL BROOOs

[XFanTim]

Batman's way too smart to get taken out by the Punisher. Besides, Batman can find a way to beat anyone -- it's like his mutant power or something.

I think it could be a pretty entertaining fight, but in my mind the outcome would never be in doubt. Batman wins.

[XFanTim]

. . . unless the fight took place in an actual comic book that is. Then they'd probably make it completely untrue to the characters, just to force it to be a draw and avoid pissing off either of their fan bases.

[The NZ Natural]

Originally posted by XFanTim:
. . . unless the fight took place in an actual comic book that is.

And where else exactly would you expect this proposed fight between two entirely fictional characters to take place?

fluxuk is right - threads like this don't help the world view on comics being for idiots or young chilren much. Especially when they somehow manage to drag themselves out for 4 pages.

[Highlander]

Damn you Punisher fans are morons, Punisher killed the entire Marvel Universe, yeah he also died and came back as an avenging angel with laser guns, how stupid is that? nobody gives a s h i t if he killed the entire Marvel Universe, cause that was a fake "what if" type of comic. When Batman fought Punisher in the comics, they really happened in the comic world, and Batman kicked his ass both times they met, so shut it Puny fans. This thread has turned into a war between Batman and Punisher fans, Batman fans join me, and together we'll kick these Punysher fans asses and send them back to their fat "sidekick" Micro who likes eating pudding and making guns all day. yeah you heard me Hunglow, Punysher has a sidekick, u forgot about Micro? Batman has more training, with martial arts from all around the world, while Punisher just has his marine, and some navy seal training. Batman would crash his Batmobile into Punishers warehouse and drop two small silver bombs from the sides of the batmobile, reminiscent of the Batman 89 movie. then BOOM!!!! blow Punisher, and Micros fat ass all the way back to Vietnam so he can fight some more Vietcong. The End!!!!!!

[spider-jide]

*yawns*

[Loner]

Highlander is clearly an imbecile.

[fluxuk]

you are all imbeciles for continuing this "conversation"

[Highlander]

Im not the guy thats supporting a movie with the guy from "the Sweetest Thing" as the Punisher, ha, what a joke. Want to watch perfect casting, watch Chrisitan Bale as Batman, he's going to kick so much ass, Mr. Jane will be begging to do a sequel to the Sweetest Thing. Watch Equilibrium with Bale to see how vicious he can be, what action movie has Jane done to prove he can be the Punisher? Hm, Deep Blue Sea? HAHAHAHHAH, fighting sharks will LL Cool J, that already sounds stupid. Watch Bale kick some dragon in Reign of Fire, now thats a lot more dangerous than some stupid Jaws wannabe movie. Batman has never gotten his ass kicked in the comics, i dare you give me an example, the Dark Knight kicked Supermans ass, the Hulks ass, and Punishers ass. Punisher got his ass kicked by Daredevil, Batman, Kingpin, Jigsaw and numerous other thugs. Face it, nobody can stop the Dark Knight. Oh, and the Batman movies are 10x better than any of the two Punisher movies, even batman and robin with its bat nipples are better than seeing dolph Lundgren pray naked in the seweres, but i guess you Punisher fans like seeing that dont you?

[toaster monkey]

I almost started typing something to counteract your argument but then I reminded myself that you're just a 14 year old prick that's looking to stir up trouble for a laugh so it's not like you'll listen.

[toaster monkey]

*coughwatchchristianbaleinvelvetgoldmine,needisaym orecoughcough*

[Loner]

Originally posted by fluxuk
you are all imbeciles for continuing this "conversation"
I'll have to disagree, however I'll concede that this belongs in the comics forum.

[Loner]

Originally posted by toaster monkey
I almost started typing something to counteract your argument but then I reminded myself that you're just a 14 year old prick that's looking to stir up trouble for a laugh so it's not like you'll listen.
Using any intelligent argument against Highlander's incoherent rambling, is like using a gun to shoot a roach. When it's just simpler to ignore it or use a hammer.

[spider-jide]

Originally posted by Highlander
Batman has never gotten his ass kicked in the comics, i dare you give me an example, the Dark Knight kicked Supermans ass, the Hulks ass, and Punishers ass.


Didn't Bane not only whoop batman's ass but he left batman paralysed? Exactly, so i suggest you know what your talking about before you start typing ****.

[American Muscle]

since i'm pretty good at making stupid arguments i might as well join the fun.
PUNISHER WINS! HANDS DOWN!
i say this because batman wears his underwear on the outside of his clothes and punisher knows that underwear is meant to wear UNDERNEATH your clothes. if a guy is so stupid that he's a full grown adult and doesn't know that he's not supposed to wear his underwear outside of his clothing what makes you think he'll know how to beat the punisher?
end of story.

[toaster monkey]

two words, QUAIL MAN

[Highlander]

HAHAAAAAHAH you Punisher fans call me an imbecile, incoherant man, while you Punisher fans have American Muscle supporting Punisher because Batman wears his underwear on the outside? How stupid can you Punysher fans get? oops, yeah i was going to mention the Bane asswhopping that he gave Batman, but I was hoping none of you would remember or mention it. Either way, Punisher has had his ass handed to him more times than Batman. You guys still havent proven me why Mr. Jane is good to play the Punisher, he has no action movie status at all, while Bale is perfect for Batman. While the Punisher movie is sounding even stupider, the Batman movie is sounding even better, thats what you for using "Let the bodies hit the floor" in your cheap ass B-Movie Punisher trailer, and having Travolta acting like an idiot villain "that man must die? HAHAHAHA, and get rid of your damn avatar Toastermonkey, Travolta spinning around like a idiot, acting the same as all the previous movie villains hes played. How stupid are Marvel and the people behind the movie for letting the ending of the movie being spoiled already, 4 months before the movie opens, good one, jackasses.

[spider-jide]

Look Highlander we're not talking about the movies we're discussing the two characters in general, try and stick to the topic.

[American Muscle]

geez highlander, i was just joking around. i could care less about universe vs universe in the comic world. but wow... you're just disturbing taking all of this seriously. but i guess your hobby is comics or in this case: trolling/spamming/being a ***. but hey, we do need to give out darwin awards so keep up what you're doing.

[Loner]

Highlander brings shame to the Batman franchise.

[Highlander]

Highlander brings honor to the Batman franchise. I know you were just joking American Muscle, why does Punisher wear those gay white gloves in the comics then? Well this is the Punisher movie spoilers forum you idiot Punisher fans, not the Punisher comics forum. Either way, Batman would kick that Italian boy's ass in the comics and the movies. Batmans got every device and gadget to counterattack any of Punishers attacks, you just dont mess with the Dark Knight, u hear me? Hell even Alfred could kick Micros fat Oprah Winfrey TV watching ass. Batmans batmobile would crush Franks Battlevan, making it look like a Micromachine in the end. whos with me Batman fans? us Batman fans are taking over the punisher forum now, all you Punysher fans leave now or else!!!!!!!!! thats a warning, dont let me ask you again, i'll give you a few days to leave, pack your things cause you're out of here.

[MJZ]

This is lame, he's doing it on the Batman boards too. Just want to stir **** up do ya?

[American Muscle]

did anyone see some post earlier that Highlander made? it was some gay sex story... really disturbing stuff. this guy takes the cake in terms of weirdness, like right up there with michael jackson

[Loner]

The Punisher hasn't worn white gloves since the mid-90's. Dumbass. Seriouisly Highlander is the worst thing to happen to the Batman franchise since "Batman and Robin".

[toaster monkey]

"All us Batman fans?" All I see is you being pushy.

[toaster monkey]

*Gasp* confession time. Toaster Monkey actually does think Batman is better than Punisher but that doesn't make Punisher any less cool. Why does one character have to be considered totally lame just because someone likes another one better? This is like apples and oranges or the intercontinental champion compared to the world champion. Punisher stories are just more interesting to me but I still really love Batman. I'm not even sure why I got all caught up in this argument, maybe cause of Highlander. Now if we're gonna call someone lame let's call Highlander lame. Not the poster, i mean the character. Christopher Lambert, oh wow, there's a big mean green killing machine. Who wants to watch Fortress? There's a great action classic for ya.

[American Muscle]

here's another reason, batman has a cheesy song:

na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na... BATMAN!

[fluxuk]

neither would win as both are fictional.

can we leave this. PLEASE

[CaptainStacy]

If i may step in a moment; The following characters, in the comics, have kicked Batman's ass. (not including Bane)

Richard Dragon
Bronze Tiger
Lady Shiva (yes, a girl)
The Joker (Batman #1, and #260)
Blockbuster
Deathstroke
Count Gustav DeCobra
Prometheus

Thank you. carry on. :)

[DabulasM2]

batman=winner against anyone. end of thread.

[Loner]

Didn't Wonder Woman beat down Batman in a mini-series?

[rscal]

who cares if it was in real life they prbbly both be dead by now. criminals would have killed both of them by now. or punisher would be arrested and prbbly later on executed by the law. They are fictional characters for a reason.

[rscal]

hey thats song is a classic. but highlander you talk about white gloves yet batman wears tight blue speedos on the outside of his pants and has boy sidekicks. so maybe bruce and francis have more in common than dead families and an unhealthy obsession of criminals. they prbbly wouldn't fight at all. EEEWWWWW!!!!! srry evryone

[spider-jide]

i dont know but for what ever reason, i just cant take batman seriously. He can supposedly take out anyone yet he struggles with and his arch nemesis is some skinny, grinning clown who laughs at anything.....and batman is supposed to be taken seriously? For a man to be so wealthy and have no superhuman powers and for him to do what he does isn't exactly heroic but INSANE! batman is clearly a nut just like the joker and other rediculous goons like the scarecrow. Batman is merely a nut with way too much time on his hands and of all the ficticious superheros in the world, he is by far up there as 1 of the most unrealistic. Judging by his blue speedos that he wears on the outside, if he were real he would have died from prostate cancer by now.

[spider-jide]

Originally posted by spider-jide
Judging by his blue speedos that he wears on the outside, if he were real he would have died from prostate cancer by now.


correction, TIGHT blue speedos. :batman:

[fluxuk]

i liked that Batman was as much a lunatic as The Joker at heart, that's what The Killing Joke was about.

[Highlander]

It's great to see that everybody here agrees with me that Punisher would be Batmans Man-whore if they ever got into a fight. I dont believe you Captain Stacy, Batman couldnt be defeated by that many people, i dont even know half of the people on that list. American Muscle what the heck you talking about, i never talked about a gay sex story. Toaster Monkey, Christopher Lambert is the man, he kicked ass as Connor Macleod in the Highlander movies, and everybody agrees that the first Highlander movie is a great classic, right? "There can be only one", and Fortress was pretty good, hes cool as Raiden as well in Mortal Kombat. The Batman TV show theme is a classic, so back off American Muscle or else you'll be getting some shark repellant spray in your face. Admit it, Batman is an all around better character, he has tons of classic villains that everybody knows about, while the Punisher only has Kingpin and Jigsaw as the only recognizable villains. Hell, thats why they're using the made up villain Howard Saint, cause Frank has nobody recognizable to fight for the movie. I'll be looking forward to peoples responses agreeing with me. You Punysher fans may now proceed, back to work!!!

[American Muscle]

huh? admit to what? your writing gets really fuzzy at the end as though you're starting to passout. but my guess is you're so upset cause your man-partner wouldn't put out.

[CaptainStacy]

You don't know half the people on my list, but you consider yourself a Batman fan?

Whatever, dude.

[Jigsaw]

Highlander...

Nah... on second though, words are too valuable to be wasted on a person of your intelligence. Get a life, you stupid 12-year-old jerk-off.

[fluxuk]

he seems to get a reaction everytime he posts tho.

[Jigsaw]

This thread blows.

[American Muscle]

eh, let's move on to something else... oh i know. i'm planning a week vacation in maui, hawaii. any suggestions on what to do or where to go? or should i just pay for the tour guide?

[fluxuk]

i'm planning on actually getting some sleep.

[Loner]

Originally posted by American Muscle
any suggestions on what to do or where to go?
Go to the Red Light District.

[Highlander]

I got a suggestion American Muscle, go to the beach, pour butter all over your chest and have some dogs and cats lick it off of you, u sick freak. You're into that aren't you? You damn right fluxuk, my posts do get attention. Captain Stacy I am a Batman fan, and half of those characters you mentioned aren't in Batman comics, they're probably from some porno movie you were watching and you mixed the characters up with the Batman comics. I still consider Punisher to be Batman's ho, Frank should've sticked to making pizzas or joining the mob like all Italians do.

[The NZ Natural]

"sticked" to making pizzas", eh?

You're a real Rhodes scholar, aren't you son?

[That-Guy]

Batman.

[American Muscle]

highlander not only posts gay sex stories, he makes sexual suggestions to animals... and you know, people that suggest that stuff are probably doing it themselves. you're on a role highlander. keep up the sexual misconduct and you'll make it past wacko jacko himself.

[Gainsboro]

So all Italians join the mob and make pizzas?

I'm reporting this.

[Malice]

Highlander....
You are going on probation because you clearly don’t tolerate anyone’s opinions but your own.

Maybe a month from SHH will let you learn a little that because someone’s ideas, although you may not like are ok.

Just keep your nasty and condescending comments to yourself.

[Balthus Dire]

http://users.adelphia.net/~khaosvoid/images/owned.jpg

[American Muscle]

left wide opened and burned

*cheers*...*points and laughs*...

[fluxuk]

that's made my day worth a giggle.

[RenaudMan]

How about instead

BATMAN vs PUNISHER vs PREDATOR (http://groups.msn.com/HEROESCOMICS/batmanvspunishervspredator.msnw)

Why stop at a 2 way cross-over when a 3 way cross-over would be so much more fun :)

Did I mention a HARDCOVER book :cool:

[Gainsboro]

Thank you, Malice...

Oh, and...

Originally posted by RenaudMan
How about instead

BATMAN vs PUNISHER vs PREDATOR (http://groups.msn.com/HEROESCOMICS/batmanvspunishervspredator.msnw)

Why stop at a 2 way cross-over when a 3 way cross-over would be so much more fun :)

Did I mention a HARDCOVER book :cool:

Please tell me you were joking.

[CaptainStacy]

Thanks, Malice. Highlander's nonsense was getting out of hand.

[Nylen]

Originally posted by spider-jide
my money is on punisher, he's got the guns the skills and he's hardcore, he'd finish the fight before it even started. bats would get his clock cleaned twice! what do you lot think?

Batman would TEAR his hairy ass apart. :)

[toaster monkey]

Does it really make Punisher any less frightening just because someone else could beat him? I know if I was selling coke to little immigrant kids and Punisher walked in wearing his trench coat, i wouldnt be like "Oh wait, it's just Punisher. Hahahahaha, at least it's not Batman."
I mean, geeze, Batman would just tie me up and leave me to the cops, Punisher would kill me

[Balthus Dire]

Batman did beat Frank, if I remember correctly.



Pun had a short cameo in a Batman series, and Batman kicked his ass. Even though Frank owns Batman, I think they've met once and Frank lost.

[Gainsboro]

Thank you, Balthus...

The answer to this HORRID TOPIC has been found at last!

[Punisher]

This topic seems familar... let me elaborate on Balthus Dire's post...

In the Punisher/Batman crossover (the one with Bruce Wayne, not Azrael), they did fight, most notably at the end of the book when the Punisher is about to put a bullet in the Joker, after being involved in a firefight and a lengthy chase.

In the end, Batman shows up, grabs the Punisher's arm as he's about to fire and tells the Joker to run away.
Even though the Punisher had been shot in the arms, and was losing blood, he punches Batman in the face, he takes another swing and Batman shoves him into a bunch of boxes in the alley. Batman tells him to leave Gotham. The End.

That's about it. Their first battle ends essentially in a draw (A collapsing ceiling ended that battle) and the final battle has a wounded Punisher fighting a healthy Batman.
The whole book was pretty anti-climatic.

Chuck Dixon wrote that Punisher/Batman crossover and it's pretty obvious that he wasn't interested in writing a Punisher that was a major threat to Batman, in fact, his Punisher seemed to be more brawn than brains.
I've never been too big a fan of Dixon's later work on the Punisher.

If anything, I'd say that the final outcome really depends on who is writing the book. For example, if Garth Ennis, Carl Potts, or Mike Baron were writing such a crossover, the Punisher wouldn't have come across as a chump and Batman really would of had a fight on his hands.

[toaster monkey]

I wonder if there's ever been a good crossover. I guess Wolverine and Punisher have good chemistry so there's a good one there

[Punisher]

Actually, the first meeting between Wolvie and Punisher in PWJ was pretty good and I've enjoyed Punisher crossovers with Spider-Man, Ghost Rider and Daredevil in the past.

The problem with most intercompany crossovers is usually the older, more popular character will have the edge in the storyline.
If Wolverine would have crossed over with Batman, I'm sure Batman would have been able to beat him.
Of course, we all know that Logan would turn Bruce Wayne into Batmeat. ;)

Back in the early 90's, I would have loved to have seen a Spawn/Punisher or Spawn/Ghost Rider crossover. That would have been fun!

[fluxuk]

i can't be bothered with crossovers. they're always sales related, and boring.

[Punisher]

The other problem is that the intercompany crossovers really need to be done in alternate continuities like "What if?" or "Elseworlds" where the chances of any character surviving or winning is up in the air.

The reason they get boring is because they maintain the status quo, Batman can't paralyze the Punisher, he can't shoot Batman in the face, the Joker won't die, etc., etc.!

It would be cool if the characters were really allowed to let loose, while being created by established creative teams familar with the characters.
A Frank Miller/Garth Ennis' Batman vs. Punisher would sell through the roof and be a great read if it was out of continuity like "Dark Knight Returns".

[fluxuk]

i think just let Miller loose. he could eat Ennis for breakfast.

[X]

2 excellent posts with several excellent points Punisher... :) http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif

I completly agree with you on the else worlds idea though...then we could actually have a decent Marvel vs. DC cross over, or a punisher vs. batman and so on and so on...

[CaptainStacy]

Miller wrote a pretty decent Punisher in ASM Annual #15....be interesting to have Brian Bendis take a crack at Frank Castle, too.

[Loner]

He already did in Ultimate Marvel Team-up.

[toaster monkey]

So now that this Batman topic is getting too big, can we start a new one? Like Punisher vs...umm.. I dont know, who's a good one that would make a bit of sense?

[Punisher]

Considering that he's also had a movie and been involved in quite a few crossovers....

The Punisher vs Judge Dredd

I won't offer an opinion on this one, I like both characters a lot, but it would be cool to see two hardcore hardcases like them butt heads.

[Balthus Dire]

I think sometimes they should do alternate universe crossovers, where Frank can actually kill off characters. It would be more interesting that way.



That way, he really could shoot Batman right in the face and you wouldn't have to worry about continuity over at DC Comics.

[Punisher]

Alternate universe crossovers would be much more fun...
It would be cool to see Punisher tearing through Batman, Nightwing, the Joker, Penguin, and the Riddler with an M-60! :D

[spider-jide]

Originally posted by Punisher
Alternate universe crossovers would be much more fun...
It would be cool to see Punisher tearing through Batman, Nightwing, the Joker, Penguin, and the Riddler with an M-60! :D

you said it brother.:D

[Loner]

Originally posted by Punisher
Alternate universe crossovers would be much more fun...
It would be cool to see Punisher tearing through Batman, Nightwing, the Joker, Penguin, and the Riddler with an M-60! :D
I'd kill for a panel showing Frank shooting the Joker in the face with an Uzi.

On an unrelated note: Is it true that Hitman threw up on Batman?

[toaster monkey]

I seem to remember that, so that must count for something Punisherwise

[SiNtZu89]

How about this, WOLVERINE WILL TEAR THROUGH BOTH OF THEM.....END OF DISCUSSION.........

[fluxuk]

yeh, hitman had a curry and bats punched him in the stomach. resultantly, hitman spewed over his feet.

[spider-jide]

Originally posted by Loner
I'd kill for a panel showing Frank shooting the Joker in the face with an Uzi.

On an unrelated note: Is it true that Hitman threw up on Batman?

lol

[toaster monkey]

So could Thomas Jane (after his training for this movie) beat up Christian Bale( who seemed to eat cheeseburgers)?

[Highlander]

Uh no, pretty boy Jane couldn't beat up Pee Wee Herman if he wanted to. Bale isn't fat Punysher fan, he's bulked up a lot more than Jane, but you can't see that because of the heavy clothes he was wearing. Bale can take on Jane any day of the week, Jane learn how to holster his guns yet, tough pretty boy? LOL. I can't wait for bales Batman movie, too bad nobody gives a rats ass on the B action movie the Punysher. 2005 is the Year of the Bat, and 2006 is the Year of Superman.

[Loner]

It hasn't been a month yet.

[toaster monkey]

Sick 'em mods!

[Highlander]

HAHHAHHAHA, i didn't do nothing wrong. Malice gave me a month of probation, but i was able to talk him out of it cause we're good pals, and because he didn't warn me that he was going to put me on probation. I admit that Jane is in pretty good shape but has anybody seen a recent pic of him cause i want to see if he still looks the same or did he say screw it and eat pizzas till he puke. Bale will always be the better fighter, Equilibrium proves that, and Bale will always be the better actor, getting praises for his role in American Psycho, while Jane has never been praised for his role, hmmmm "Janes performance in the Sweetest Thing deserves an Oscar nomination?" i dont think we ever heard that, LOL!!!! In yourface, Punysher fans!!!

[The NZ Natural]

While I would agree that Christian Bale is the better actor of the two (and it's not like they're light years apart in ability, range or marketabilty from a studio's perspective), Highlander continues to prove he's a moron by saying that Jane has never received any critical acclaim for his performances. His portrayal of Mickey Mantle in 61* garnered high praise from critics and movie fans alike, and even in his stinkers, critics have often said that he's one of the only good points in the film (Dreamcatcher being a prime example).

Bale is an acting force of nature, there's no question. And his years of dancing (where are the poofter jokes about that, Highlander?) have resulted in him keeping himself in fantastic shape by force of habit. He brings an understated dignity to any role he chooses (Equilibrium will always be a favourite of mine) and, like Jane, is often the high point in a poor film (Reign Of Fire).

To say Jane will give up on his physique is an uneducated comment. An actor will gain weight, lose weight, put on or lose muscle depending on the role he's taken on. A good actor, anyway.

Once again, Highlander, you personify the old cliche about talking loud and saying nothing.

And, for the record, where do you get your proof that Bale is a better fighter than Jane? I've been fighting for years and if I was going to be intimidated by either of the two, it would be Jane simply because of the instruction in Krav Maga and BJJ he received for The Punisher. Equilibrium's Gun-Kata looked great, but isn't actually real, so I'm not worried about it.

But I think that's enough trip-trapping over your bridge for one day . . .

[Jigsaw]

You guys... I hate to drop a bombshell, but what you say to Highlander is only fuel on a fire. He gets off on being a pest.

Personally, I'm disappointed in the moderators... I thought Superhero Hype was a dignified forum with mature and opinionated posters. It's been confirmed that Marvel sometimes visits this place to understand what the fans are talking about...

Yet we're letting this leech run amok from forum to forum, doing NOTHING but insulting every film he comments on, and providing nothing by means of conversation or debate?

Very unprofessional, in my opinion... Malice has disappointed me.

[Highlander]

Get some plastic surgery on that face of yours Jigsaw, you make two Face look like Tom Cruise compared to you. what you said is true though, all the comments you say to me is fueling me to reply even more. I think the mods are doing a great job, u da man Malice!!!! Hmmm NzNatural, you only mentioned one movie role that jane remotely recieved any attention at all, that was his biggest break so far until Punisher, cant name any others can you? How about his masterbating scene is the Crow City of angels, classic Academy Award material huh? or how about his fight with a CGI shark? LOL, thats what i thought. Bale has had positive critical acclaim much more than Jane, with Empire of the Sun, Equilibrium (ebert gave it a big thumbs thumb), American Psycho and even Reign of Fire. Once again iv'e proven you that Bale is the better actor, more widely known, and a bigger box office draw. Honestly, tell me the truth Punisher fans did any of you know who Thomas Jane was when he was casted as the Punisher? yeah thats what i thought. Nobody was demanding Jane to be the Punisher in any forums before he was announced as the Punisher, unlike Bale who was demanded by fans for years to be Batman. You telling me the Punisher trailer was good too? "Let the bodies hit the floor"? that songs 2 yrs old, and the trailer looked like an average action movie we've seen before, with cliches like the remote controlled car bomb with Jane walking away thinking hes so cool. respond to that Punysher fans!!!!!!!!

[MICROSGHOST]

Pun vs Bats?

Its been done! Punisher beat Azrael (the 200 hundred year old Batman, but the real bats won) nuff said

[SiNtZu89]

damn straight!!!!!!!!!!

[spider-jide]

Originally posted by Highlander
Uh no, pretty boy Jane couldn't beat up Pee Wee Herman if he wanted to. Bale isn't fat Punysher fan, he's bulked up a lot more than Jane, but you can't see that because of the heavy clothes he was wearing. Bale can take on Jane any day of the week, Jane learn how to holster his guns yet, tough pretty boy? LOL. I can't wait for bales Batman movie, too bad nobody gives a rats ass on the B action movie the Punysher. 2005 is the Year of the Bat, and 2006 is the Year of Superman.

Shutup highlander, bale is a fat farting gitt and you know it!

[spider-jide]

Originally posted by Highlander
Get some plastic surgery on that face of yours Jigsaw, you make two Face look like Tom Cruise compared to you. what you said is true though, all the comments you say to me is fueling me to reply even more. I think the mods are doing a great job, u da man Malice!!!! Hmmm NzNatural, you only mentioned one movie role that jane remotely recieved any attention at all, that was his biggest break so far until Punisher, cant name any others can you? How about his masterbating scene is the Crow City of angels, classic Academy Award material huh? or how about his fight with a CGI shark? LOL, thats what i thought. Bale has had positive critical acclaim much more than Jane, with Empire of the Sun, Equilibrium (ebert gave it a big thumbs thumb), American Psycho and even Reign of Fire. Once again iv'e proven you that Bale is the better actor, more widely known, and a bigger box office draw. Honestly, tell me the truth Punisher fans did any of you know who Thomas Jane was when he was casted as the Punisher? yeah thats what i thought. Nobody was demanding Jane to be the Punisher in any forums before he was announced as the Punisher, unlike Bale who was demanded by fans for years to be Batman. You telling me the Punisher trailer was good too? "Let the bodies hit the floor"? that songs 2 yrs old, and the trailer looked like an average action movie we've seen before, with cliches like the remote controlled car bomb with Jane walking away thinking hes so cool. respond to that Punysher fans!!!!!!!!

i'm not really a punisher fanatic but the only way bale can beat jane.........is in a pie eating contest. Have you seen bale, he no longer has muscle and is just a fat gitt, eating pies and dougnuts. I bet in the batman flick you'll see bale chowing down on dougnuts with commisioner gordon.

[toaster monkey]

I bet in the batman flick you'll see bale chowing down on dougnuts with commisioner gordon.

I hope to God so

[Quietstorm]

Originally posted by spider-jide
i'm not really a punisher fanatic but the only way bale can beat jane.........is in a pie eating contest. Have you seen bale, he no longer has muscle and is just a fat gitt, eating pies and dougnuts. I bet in the batman flick you'll see bale chowing down on dougnuts with commisioner gordon.

That's a funny "joke" :D :rolleyes:

[Sarge]

Originally posted by HungLow
SiNtZu89 keep your mouth shut....make it personal and I'll break my foot in yo ***** ***** *** &* ***** *** !!!!!

Stick to the topic!



The reasons I dont like Batman today are:

1, Sidekicks...Sidekicks only make you look lame...Its Ok and kinda cool when he does team-ups with other characters...but having a permanent sidekick is lame.

2, Lame Villans...The Joker, Penguin, scarecrow, mad hatter etc!
A hero beating up a midget and an anemic/anorexic guy with a chemical imbalance dont look so tough...I'm surprised Batman hasnt fought Bozo The Clown or Howdy Doody yet

3, Bat-gadgets...all his stuff is in the shape off a bat and renamed bat-something...This really makes Batman look like a fool..."Hmm lets see the only way to defeat my enemy is to make a weapon in the shape of a bat and rename it Bat-thingy"
Batman would benefit more from having Gadgets and tools that look real.

4, Bat-mobile...very subtle...again..in the shape of a bat.
How about something more covert and low key...like a cab, or something else that sticks out a little less?....Alfred could drive it.

5, The bat-signal...how poor is the Gotham police department that they can only depend on batman to save them?
Batman would denfinatly be cooler as a renegade vigilante.


6, Dialog..." You made me"," No! you made me" etc!


Tell me I'm wrong....if you like Batman for some of those reason, then good for you...but dont expect everyone else to have bad taste. dude...........you have no ****ing clue what the **** you're talking about do you? OK lemme respond to this....

Sidekicks:I kind of agree on this one, but he really doesnt actually have his sidekicks at his side constantly aymore.

Lame Villians: Ok, the Joker is one of the greatest villians in all of comics. He's done some of the most sick, most evil, most vile things any villian in any form could ever do. You pointed out every villian with a deep, interesting psychological problem.....you need to look for substance more than style bud.


Bat-gadgets: Someone has watched Batman Forever too many times, huh? The only time he ever used an insane amount of gadgets that had the Bat prefix was in that movie, and in the sixties.

Batmobile-The Batmobile is better than the Punishers van thats for sure :rolleyes:


Bat-signal- Well, almost all of Gothams polic force are a bunch of corrupt *******s who dont give to ****s about the town that they live in, save for Gordon, Montoya, Bullock, ect.....once again dude., substance over style

Dialog-That line is from the first movie, which screwed up the origin.

please HungLow, try to go past your third grade reading level, and look for actual storylines next time you go to a comic store

[Guyverjay]

Originally posted by CaptainStacy
Miller wrote a pretty decent Punisher in ASM Annual #15....be interesting to have Brian Bendis take a crack at Frank Castle, too.

That issue cracks me up:D

Doc ock Kicks the crap out of frank while

A) Not looking at him and

B)Talking on the phone

bwahahahahahahaha

[X]

Almost as funny as when The Hulk broke doctor ock's neck by flicking him... :D

http://img13.photobucket.com/albums/v39/bmovie_buff/Hulk.jpg

And dont even bring up Ock and his 30 whatever foot adamantium tentacles, that was just crap in my opinion. Why didnt the Hulk just bring his foot down, thunder clap, throw something at him? I mean, he's beaten Captain Marvel by smacking his fist into his palm before and bringing the building down on him... Come on... :rolleyes:

[Guyverjay]

Stop assuming what I'm going to say before I say it:mad:

I wasn't going to say anything but LOL:o

[X]

You know, I actually didnt assume you were going to say that, I just felt like adding it because thats how I personally felt, and I, well, wanted to say it. So YOU where the one assuming things. Hypocrite... :rolleyes: :p

[X]

Guyverjay just thinks the world revolves around him though, and that I was talking to HIM... hmmmph.... :D ;)

[Guyverjay]

And dont even bring up Ock and his 30 whatever foot adamantium tentacles, that was just crap in my opinion

That there, you're telling me NOT to bring this up because you assume that I am going to

You know its true

[X]

How do you know, honestly? You assumed it, and Im not going to lie over something like that. I said it in general, because I thought it might come up... "Hey Hey Doc Ock whooped The Hulk's ass with his adamantium tentacles", so I just said it ahead of time. I really wasnt talking to you, honestly, wasnt even thinking about you....

[Guyverjay]

Okay I believe you.....
































this time:)

[X]

Thank god... :D

[Marvin]

I would like to see this debate continue after both respective movies come out.

I would like that alot....

[MICROSGHOST]

Now heres another question since alternate universes are making back-come back, which alternate Punisher would you pit up against the bats? Venom Punisher or Captain America Punisher?

[Jigsaw]

Originally posted by MICROSGHOST
Now heres another question since alternate universes are making back-come back, which alternate Punisher would you pit up against the bats? Venom Punisher or Captain America Punisher?

What?

[X]

2 alternate Earth Frank Castle's from the What If? Comics...

[Jigsaw]

Originally posted by Mr. X
2 alternate Earth Frank Castle's from the What If? Comics...

...WHAT?!

[X]

Lo, what dont you understand??? :D

[Jigsaw]

Captain America Punisher?

That's like the greatest bastardization ever! How does THAT work?

[X]

Frank Castle with the Super Solider serum I believe, fighting for the American way :D . In the Punisher/What If, Frank bonds with the symbotite, and he has such a strong will it doesent take over him, they end up making a deal I believe...

[spider-jide]

Punisher easily takes out batman from a distance. Sabotages the batmobile, drops a couple bombs in the batcave, attaches C4 to alfred and denotaes them all!!!!!

ok but on a serious note, i think when it comes down to it, straight ahnd to hand combat, both will clean each others clocks.

[SiNtZu89]

why is it the opposite in a Bat-thread???????

[spider-jide]

gee, i wonder.........?:confused: :rolleyes:

[MICROSGHOST]

Originally posted by spidey_hulk_fan
I am a fan of punisher and batman I think this would end in a draw. I mean punisher would not want to use lethal force on batman because he would know from gotham sources that the bat is a good guy. I think that if punisher was going to fight batman it would probably be a straight up fight just to see who was a better fighter. I dont think batman would try to kill Punisher either.

My only reason for saying draw is because captain america once threw his sheild at the punisher and he stopped it with his foot. He punisher if he has the skills I think he is supposed to have in the movie then it would be a draw.

Spidey_Hulk_Fan

:spidey: :hulk:

Finally someone mentions the Cap vs. Pun issue. Alot of people overlook Castle's superior fighting capability. Castle survived an initial fight with Wolverine, he also duked it out with the U.S Agent and broke off the 200 year old Batman. If there was no fan voting and due to Punisher's history I think they would just fight to a draw. :batman:

[spider-jide]

i stilll think punisher would win in the end, i think bats is highly overrated.

[Bapman]

Not only that........
If one FINE DAY... PUNISHER decided to go and kill BATMAN... BATMAN won't know.

PUNISHER is a patient man.... he doesn't have get into BATMAN radar to find out how BATMAN operates.

Then... he can just hire some thugs to do something... while he waits on top of a building with a SNIPER RIFLE !!!

BATMAN comes n BAMMM !!!!.... SHOT THROUGH THE HEART... n PUNISHER IS TO BLAME... 'cause BATMAN gives SUPERHEROES a BAD NAME !!!

[War Lord]

What kind of weapon could penetrate Batman's armor?

[Bapman]

A SNIPER BULLET....
Why and HOW ???

They are SUPERSONIC... so even SUPERMAN is gonna problem dodging them.
SECOND... they ar powerful enough to pierce double protection armour at 100 yards.

No do the math.... HEADSHOT !!!

[X]

Originally posted by jonty30
What kind of weapon could penetrate Batman's armor?

A .50 cal 500 grain bullet. A 458., 375., 454., .500 nitro express, and so on.

Thing is, Punisher woulden't kill Batman. Frank actually goes out of his way not to kill people like Spidey and DD and so on. I can't think of any reason he would ever realistically kill Batman.

[Gambit_Fan]

Batman would win easirly

[Revan]

I could see either winning. If Franks out of bullets he's down if he has bullets and a good enough vantage point/trap he wins.

[solitary_knight]

Agreed, Revan, and welcome to the Hype.

[MICROSGHOST]

It makes me mad as Hell that they did a Punisher vs. Bats and the story seemed like something youd read on the back of a cereal box. If they were to do this project now giving each character equal respect we could have ourselves a good ol' butt kicking story. Id like to see a fight where it takes up 80 pages of a graphic novel, not just a few panels where they handshake and go after the baddie.

[Revan]

Well the Punisher comic with the actual Batman(Bruce Wayne not the Azarael) the fight was in the back and it was more of a "Get the heck out of my city Castle" type of thing.

[Loner]

All Frank needs to do is lure Batman into a room full of claymores.

[X]

Originally posted by Loner
All Frank needs to do is lure Batman into a room full of claymores.

Easier said then done. He's gone against ruthless people before that want to kill him extremly bad, ala The Joker. Who also doesen't care about innocents...

[Gambit_Fan]

I feel Batman would actually beat Punisher badly as he is smarter has better gadgets and can fight hand to hand really well. The ightsi wanna c with Batman are:
Batman Vs Superman no holds
Batman Vs Captain America as when it happens in the comics you never see what happens and stuff properly :(

[MICROSGHOST]

You guys that say Punisher is nothing without his guns, better read Punisher Annual 1 and 2. Punisher studied multiple disciplines of martial arts. He is also listed as a 9 in the Marvel fighting ability scale. Don't count Castle out, the dude can throw down.

[Big Dirty Ogre]

Originally posted by Gambit_Fan

Batman Vs Superman no holds


shortest. fight. ever.

superman could kill batman in less than a second if he was so inclined. all he'd have to do is put his finger through batman's forehead.

[J0E CRE3P]

if garth wrote it i would feel bad for batman

[MICROSGHOST]

what do you think of having an entire graphic novel dedicated to a fight scene?

[MICROSGHOST]

Originally posted by Rizpower
How big of one?

Meh, probably pretty bad, I prefer story to wasteful fighting.

its cool most of us do. You have two legends here, I suppose as long as it takes to show off each opponents capabilities.

Pun vs. Bats a good 120 pager!!!!

[Warriorpoetex]

A bit on the Punisher vs Batman's ultility belt, seemingly unending cash flow, and so-called handful of years on some mountain learning martial arts ...

The Punisher possesses the normal human strength of a 6'1" 200-pound man, who engages in rigorous regular physical exercise. Frank engages in a brutal regimen of calisthenics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calisthenics), katas and firing range practice daily, maintaining his combat skills.
The Punisher is a seasoned combat veteran of exceptional skills. A former U.S. Marine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Marine_Corps) Captain with a distinguished combat record, Castle underwent sniper (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sniper) (his second tour in Vietnam was served as a sniper, as implied in "In the Beginning (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_the_Beginning)") and recon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconnaissance) training while in the Corps. He also received SEAL (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Navy_SEALs) (Sea, Air, Land), UDT (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underwater_Demolition_Team) (Underwater Demolition Team), LRRP (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LRRP) (Long Range Recon Patrol) training and airborne (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airborne) training with U.S. Army (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Army) and U.S. Navy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Navy) special forces. It has also been revealed in both the Marvel Knights and MAX imprints of The Punisher that Frank Castle did receive training, skills and expertise from the Australian Army's (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Army) Special Air Service Regiment (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Special_Air_Service_Regiment) when he was on exchange with Australian military forces operating in South Vietnam during the Vietnam War (It is also noted that while Castle was on exchange with the Australian SAS in Vietnam, he met Yorkie Mitchell, a British SAS soldier who was on exchange with the Australians at the same time. Mitchell would later become an agent for the British intelligence agency, MI6 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MI6) and he would cross paths and work with Castle on a number of occasions during the Marvel Knights and MAX runs of The Punisher).
Frank is well-versed in the arts of warfare and hand-to-hand combat. His styles of choice being Nash Ryu Jiu Jutsu (the four-style martial art founded by Sensei Adam Nash (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Adam_Nash&action=edit), the Punisher's mentor), Ninjutsu (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ninjutsu), Shorin-Ryu (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shorin-Ryu), Hwarangdo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hwarangdo), Chin Na (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chin_Na), MCMAP (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MCMAP) (Marine Corps Martial Arts Program) or the Marine Corps LINE combat system (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marine_Corps_LINE_combat_system), Tai Chi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tai_Chi), as well as unarmed combat training received in the military. He is an exceptional knife fighter who carries up to 3 or 4 different types of edged weapons, preferring the knife he learned to fight with in the USMC: the Ka-bar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ka-bar) (in the movie he killed Harry Heck (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Harry_Heck&action=edit) with a ballistic knife (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballistic_knife)).
Armed solely with conventional weapons and motivated by a fanatical hatred for criminals like those who murdered his family, the Punisher has single-handedly incapacitated up to a dozen well-armed and experienced opponents in a single encounter and escaped almost uninjured. It is his military training and his attention to detail that allows him to achieve this. He is an exceptional marksman who is sometimes depicted as being ambidextrous in this respect. The Punisher Armory series illustrates some of his thinking and training.

[Isildur´s Heir]

This is what i find funny about the "vs" threads, everyone wants their favorite character to win, no matter how improbable that would be.
The Punisher would never win against Batman, case close.
The all, if Frank Castle was on the top of a building, with a sniper rifle and....it´s exactly that, "IF..."
And if you go with "Ifs", anything can happen, even a street thug can kill Hulk, when he changes back to Banner.
So, those arguments don´t even make sense, so drop them.
The all, "Frank Castle stopped Cap America´s shield with his foot, so he can kick Batman´s ass", is illogical.
Comic books do that everytime, and most of the time is just stupid, let´s be frank about it.
Frank Castle would never stop Roger´s shield with his foot..
You have to look at the big picture, of what you know about the character´s and not what happend once, in a certain comic book.
The Punisher is Rambo on steroids, case close.
Is he good?
He is damn good, an amazing soldier, a perfect killing machine!
But the thing is, Batman trained to stop people like him since ever, that´s what the Dark Knight does best.

You put both on a two street arena, and everything goes...Frank Castle would give him a fight, but he would get is ass kicked in the end.
Sure, anything can happen...but, we are discussing what would normaly happen, not a "what if..."

[Midnyte_Sun]

Punisher is the last person Batman wants to see in a dark alley staring him down, nor would Punisher want to have Batman on his bad side.

I believe there was to be a hand to hand fight, Batman would win, he simply has much more hand to hand combat experience, and all those useful, handy, unorthodox, and easy to disperse gadgets will come to good use against the Punisher.

BUT, if Batman was unaware of Punisher and his aims to destroy him, Punisher would maul Bruce Wayne. If Punisher had a strong motive, he could destroy anything that much has been proven in the comics.

Punisher is one of those maniac psycopaths who would expose you to the entire public, ruin your name, he would kill all of Bruce Wayne's friends and loved ones, find and destroy his Batcave, and finally when Bruce can't take anymore, he'd shoot him in the back before he could even make sense of things...that's just the Punisher's way.

I agree with the other posters who say this is a meaningless debate, it's like asking who would in a fight between George Washington and Benjamin Franklin....it's just pointless and only serves to polarize people.

Of all the most famous superheros (Superman, spiderman, batman, etc) I respect Batman the most. And of all Human anti-Heros, I gotta give lots of respect for the Punisher, this guy is just so damn good at what he does!

[citizenpain]

This is what i find funny about the "vs" threads, everyone wants their favorite character to win, no matter how improbable that would be.
The Punisher would never win against Batman, case close.
The all, if Frank Castle was on the top of a building, with a sniper rifle and....it´s exactly that, "IF..."
And if you go with "Ifs", anything can happen, even a street thug can kill Hulk, when he changes back to Banner.
So, those arguments don´t even make sense, so drop them.
The all, "Frank Castle stopped Cap America´s shield with his foot, so he can kick Batman´s ass", is illogical.
Comic books do that everytime, and most of the time is just stupid, let´s be frank about it.
Frank Castle would never stop Roger´s shield with his foot..
You have to look at the big picture, of what you know about the character´s and not what happend once, in a certain comic book.
The Punisher is Rambo on steroids, case close.
Is he good?
He is damn good, an amazing soldier, a perfect killing machine!
But the thing is, Batman trained to stop people like him since ever, that´s what the Dark Knight does best.

You put both on a two street arena, and everything goes...Frank Castle would give him a fight, but he would get is ass kicked in the end.
Sure, anything can happen...but, we are discussing what would normaly happen, not a "what if..."

you say everybody wants their favorite character to win, but isn't that the point of these threads? i don't think anybody is going to come to an actual conclusion as to who would REALLY win cuz these characters are fictional and we can never know the truth of it all. these are just opinions so for you to come in and knock them all and say the punisher could never defeat batman is pretty silly. you can't come on here and say "oh all these theories are illogical" and then claim your ideas to be correct. the punisher is rambo on steroids? now THAT's illogical and it really shows that you don't understand the character cuz he's more than just the perfect killing machine. people like you think the punisher is all brawn and no brains but in fact frank castle is marvel's batman in that with prep time he could take anybody down. including batman.

oh, and it's case CLOSED.


Punisher is the last person Batman wants to see in a dark alley staring him down, nor would Punisher want to have Batman on his bad side.

I believe there was to be a hand to hand fight, Batman would win, he simply has much more hand to hand combat experience, and all those useful, handy, unorthodox, and easy to disperse gadgets will come to good use against the Punisher.

BUT, if Batman was unaware of Punisher and his aims to destroy him, Punisher would maul Bruce Wayne. If Punisher had a strong motive, he could destroy anything that much has been proven in the comics.

Punisher is one of those maniac psycopaths who would expose you to the entire public, ruin your name, he would kill all of Bruce Wayne's friends and loved ones, find and destroy his Batcave, and finally when Bruce can't take anymore, he'd shoot him in the back before he could even make sense of things...that's just the Punisher's way.

I agree with the other posters who say this is a meaningless debate, it's like asking who would in a fight between George Washington and Benjamin Franklin....it's just pointless and only serves to polarize people.

Of all the most famous superheros (Superman, spiderman, batman, etc) I respect Batman the most. And of all Human anti-Heros, I gotta give lots of respect for the Punisher, this guy is just so damn good at what he does!

it might be a meaningless debate, but it's fun to discuss all the possibilities. i definitely agree with you that the punisher could take down batman in the long run. batman has his martial arts training and all that but frank castle was once an amazing soldier while bruce wayne was once a spoiled rich kid. i firmly believe that the punisher is the smarter of the two. if it was a spur of the moment battle, batman would probably walk away victorious... but if the two of them were actually going after each other, now THAT would be really interesting to see.

[Isildur´s Heir]

you say everybody wants their favorite character to win, but isn't that the point of these threads? i don't think anybody is going to come to an actual conclusion as to who would REALLY win cuz these characters are fictional and we can never know the truth of it all. these are just opinions so for you to come in and knock them all and say the punisher could never defeat batman is pretty silly. you can't come on here and say "oh all these theories are illogical" and then claim your ideas to be correct. the punisher is rambo on steroids? now THAT's illogical and it really shows that you don't understand the character cuz he's more than just the perfect killing machine. people like you think the punisher is all brawn and no brains but in fact frank castle is marvel's batman in that with prep time he could take anybody down. including batman.

oh, and it's case CLOSED.
I give you that the all "case closeD was a bit too much :o
And the all "Rambo on steroids" was to put it in a simplistic manner, not saying that he is all brawn and no brains.
But the thing is, Frank Castle started as a Rambo kind of deal, the all "Frank Castle was in every single special force in the book, so he, with time, can kick everyone´s ass, is just stupid.
You like it, fine, but, IMO, it´s stupid.
But, for that, i blame Marvel, and all started with the all "angel with guns" crap.
Frank Castle, the way i picture him, and the way he was for most of the time, was a family man, coming out of an insane war, and, psychologically returning to it, when his family was killed.
Basically, he went insane, and is searching for death ever since.
Yeah, i imagine him belonging to a special force, but not being trained by everyone and being in all majors special forces in the world, prior to Vietnam.
That is just ridiculous...
And yeah, you can arrive to a logical conclusion, if you take what you know about the characters and make them face each other.


Batman has his martial arts training and all that but frank castle was once an amazing soldier while bruce wayne was once a spoiled rich kid. i firmly believe that the punisher is the smarter of the two. if it was a spur of the moment battle, batman would probably walk away victorious... but if the two of them were actually going after each other, now THAT would be really interesting to see.
Batman was never a spoiled rich kid, because he didn´t had time for it, his parents died...
And no, the Punisher is not smarter than the two, not even by a long shot.
Not saying that Frank is not a smart individual, but Bruce Wayne is a genious, he is, whithout any doubt, one of the 5most intelligent men in comic book universe.
Some even say that, if he didn´t went the Batman road, he would have been second only to Reed Richards and Von Doom.
How do you think that he can kick anyone´s ass with time?
Prep-time is not a power ;)

Punisher is one of those maniac psycopaths who would expose you to the entire public, ruin your name, he would kill all of Bruce Wayne's friends and loved ones, find and destroy his Batcave, and finally when Bruce can't take anymore, he'd shoot him in the back before he could even make sense of things...that's just the Punisher's way.
See, that´s the problem right there, Frank Castle would never do that.
To kill friends and loved ones of his enemies is the Punisher´s way.
Why?
Because they are innocents, and, no matter how psychopath he is, Frank Castle still have a code of honor.

BUT, if Batman was unaware of Punisher and his aims to destroy him, Punisher would maul Bruce Wayne. If Punisher had a strong motive, he could destroy anything that much has been proven in the comics.
Once again, that´s an If...situation, which can´t enter in any discussion, because if you go that way, anything can happen to anyone, a street thug can kill Hulk, being in the right moment, when Banner is sleeping.
And the same can be said, if the Punisher was unaware and Batman aims to destroy him...
And Punisher destroying capable of destroying anything, i´m sorry, but that´s just stupid, one of the exagerations of comic books do to sell the characters.

[Midnyte_Sun]

See, that´s the problem right there, Frank Castle would never do that...
Because they are innocents, and, no matter how psychopath he is, Frank Castle still have a code of honor.


When a government spook brainwashed Castle into thinking that Nick Fury killed his family, Punisher went ballistic, he not only risked innocent civilians, he said he would kill anybody in his way, which included Daredevil, Ghost Rider, Nick Fury's friends, and a slew of civilians. Like I said, give this psycopath enough motive, he'll do it...oh and by the way, he did shoot Nick Fury in the back too, how is that for code of honor?

And Punisher destroying capable of destroying anything...one of the exagerations of comic books do to sell the characters.

Its a comic book, its always full of exaggerations, get used to it. Unless you think a man like Batman can have his back broken and paralyzed and somehow reheal in one year to full strength. :)

[Warriorpoetex]

This is funny. Batman has more hand to hand combat experience? Are you insane? Batman fights either henchmen or cartoonish villians. Just what wars has he fought in? Just what true field experience outside of Gotham City does he have? They wish Batman was the DC Punisher, only with a costume, an endless bank roll, a 30 yr old sob story of how he cannot get over the death of his parents and a silly ability to look at this butler and Alfred can provide the answers or an amazing ability to produce just the right piece of gear to handle anything. Batman would get his ass handed to him many times without Alfred.
If you want a more accurate comparison. Punisher is Marvel's Jack Bauer. He is human, with the skills to do what needs to be done. Punisher is on a mission to die. For him, it isn't about courage it is just about finishing what he can before death takes him.

Batman has NO combat experience beyond his romp through the concrete jungles of Gotham (excluding silly crossovers). Yes, I favor Punisher for more reasons than just a more realistic story.

The Punisher has faced off against a dozen+ well-trained and well-trained ooponents (military) ... and has come out unharmed. With just a blade. Batman fights thugs with the accuracy of an Imperial Stormtrooper against R2-D2.

But, they are fictional and it is all opinion. Just be clear that in NO way could Batman "hand" the Punisher his ass in ANY kind of fight. Whomever would win, it would be a titanically bloody battle. Hand to hand or otherwise. So spare me the "hand him his ass" nonsense.

[chaoticreign]

Are you retarded? Batman doesn't have fight experience? I'm pretty sure that he is a JLA member and regularly fights villains much more powerful than himself. Someone who would say that batman just fights thugs clearly knows absolutely nothing about batman. He doesn't just fight thugs anymore than Frank does.

Batman has mastered 127 forms of martial arts. He is listed as one of the absolute best combatants in the entire dc universe. Frank wouldn't have a chance in hand to hand combat.

Batman's feats border on superhuman. I know its ridiculous but his on panel feats vastly outclass Frank. Batman partners up with superman on many occasions and holds his own. Granted Superman is leagues more powerful than batman and handles the brunt of it but batman still does just fine on his own. In dc's comic universe of crazily overpowered characters batman still comes out on top.

I'm a huge punisher fan but Bats is just his superior. It wouldn't be fair to say that Frank shoots him with a snipe rifle either because if Frank gets prep so should batman and everyone knows batman with prep can and has ousted the entire JLA.

[Warriorpoetex]

Sorry, Batman cannot defeat Punisher. In the Marvel Universe, not even Nick Fury and Wolverine has more combat hand to hand skills than Frank. It would take superpowers to beat him ... period. Also ... being that they are comics and totally different realities. In the Punisher universe ... mastering 127 styles is impossible. So it would be either adjust Punisher to DC standards or Batman to the Punisher universe. Frank is far more than just his sniper rifle. So, all the fanboys can stop being flustered over a match-up that will always be written to tilt towards the authors perference. In my book, Frank wins and that is all that matters to me. No one has facts to determine universal truth in such a case. Batman is given what he has to survive in a universe that contains characters like Superman. Frank, Marvel having given him his own more real universe where there are no superheros (not counting crossovers that continue to be silly), his stories are more merc/political in nature than superhero.

Punisher = Realistically more plausible (His Series Not Crossovers)
Batman = Superhero Genre (Not plausible)

[Midnyte_Sun]

Well Wolverine is over a 100 years old so he definitely has more combat experience than Frank. Batman has fought in many intergalactic wars, against superheros with superhuman strengths and still end up on top.

Batman would maul Punisher hands down in a hand to hand fight. Batman ain't some ordinary thug and his endurance and skill are legendary.

[BULLITT]

Punisher...if the Batman really pi_sed him off.:unishr:

[ObakeTora]

wow this thread is almost 4 years old!!

[citizenpain]

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix3/earthcrossoverall5.jpg

[Kritish]

wow this thread is almost 4 years old!!

This battle is almost as old as Windows and Mac.:whatever:

[Loner]

I think it's an insult to compare Frank to any of those two platforms.

[Mr. Socko]

Who brought this fossil back to life?

[Texas Ranger]

no fight batman would win

[strangelove]

this really is a self-perpetuating crapfest of redundancy because there will never be a definitive answer.
Batman won't be served because it might diminish the old & godlike character, sending fanboys dry heaving.
Punisher fanboys fantasize Frank spraying everything with a heartbeat and have an inferiority complex.

[ObakeTora]

This battle is almost as old as Windows and Mac.:whatever:

Then lets keep it going!! Im down!!

Hey you know what another poster said it best. I think whoever pissed who off the hardest would win.

[cthulhu]

this really is a self-perpetuating crapfest of redundancy because there will never be a definitive answer.
Batman won't be served because it might diminish the old & godlike character, sending fanboys dry heaving.
Punisher fanboys fantasize Frank spraying everything with a heartbeat and have an inferiority complex.

Punisher would win. Easy.

[citizenpain]

Pun1sher R00lz Bat/\/\an!!

[Punisher_62]

I mean in all sincerety I love the The punisher character and yes they did give frank an ass-load of guns.On the other hand Batman has fought Superman and has won on some ocassion so it would probably not end to well for frank. sorry

[ObakeTora]

Frank took out the entire Marvel Universe.

[Doug Henning]

You guys know that the only reason Superman doesn't instantly kill Batman in a fight is 'cause.....then there'd be no story, right?

So the writers have to make up outrageous ways that Batman could even survive, let alone do well...right?

'Cause Superman can lift, planets and stuff, and fly at the speed of sound or something.
He could just look at Bruce Wayne and melt his head off.

[ObakeTora]

You guys know that the only reason Superman doesn't instantly kill Batman in a fight is 'cause.....then there'd be no story, right?

So the writers have to make up outrageous ways that Batman could even survive, let alone do well...right?

'Cause Superman can lift, planets and stuff, and fly at the speed of sound or something.
He could just look at Bruce Wayne and melt his head off.

from what ive always known is that Supes will always pull his punches around Bats. I have an idea to test a true Bats vs Supes fight: Have Supes get possesed by the Venom symbote. If Bats wins that one he's got my respect.

btw welcome to the hyoe newbie!

[Yorkshirepudd]

I think in a straight up fight Batman would piss all over Frank, but if weapons came into the equation, Batman may hesitate whereas The Punisher would go straight for the kill.
In the event of this, I predict Batman would have forseen this scenario and boobie trapped his fallen weapon, thus incapacitating the Punisher due to his own brutal bloodlust!

[saint sinner x]

Batman is just way more smarter, way more tacticful and way more highly skilled and resourceful than punisher. I'm sorry but batman wins this one, have you guys seen the types of villains batman fights? Their no regular frustrated punks, take bane for example, a smart master criminal vicous killer who has enhanced strength and won't hesitate to take you out. Batman would own frank's traumitized ass.

[kcjones24]

Batman is just way more smarter, way more tacticful and way more highly skilled and resourceful than punisher. I'm sorry but batman wins this one, have you guys seen the types of villains batman fights? Their no regular frustrated punks, take bane for example, a smart master criminal vicous killer who has enhanced strength and won't hesitate to take you out. Batman would own frank's traumitized ass.

Even though I'm tired of Batman I'm gonna have to side with him on this one. Frank does have some fighting skills but some people don't seem to realize that the fighting they teach you in the military doesn't make you a ninja. Sorry but the Punisher loses this one.

[vinniedablade]

yo

guys it will always be batman wins because he will never kill the punisher
he dosen't kill anyone ,but if the punisher won than batman would be dead
and they are not going to let that happen.

vinnier

[ObakeTora]

Even though I'm tired of Batman I'm gonna have to side with him on this one. Frank does have some fighting skills but some people don't seem to realize that the fighting they teach you in the military doesn't make you a ninja. Sorry but the Punisher loses this one.


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for the umpteenthbillionth time PUNISHER JUST LIKE BATMAN TRAVELED THE WORLD TO LEARN DIFFERENT FIGHTING SKILLS! Read Punisher Annual number 2, alot of the different fighting skills he uses they don't teach you in the military!!!!!!!!!!!!!! In my opinion if the writer polled each individual's fighting history this would be a very close fight!!!!!


tired of you ****ing noobs..

[kcjones24]

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for the umpteenthbillionth time PUNISHER JUST LIKE BATMAN TRAVELED THE WORLD TO LEARN DIFFERENT FIGHTING SKILLS! Read Punisher Annual number 2, alot of the different fighting skills he uses they don't teach you in the military!!!!!!!!!!!!!! In my opinion if the writer polled each individual's fighting history this would be a very close fight!!!!!


tired of you ****ing noobs..

Gee I guess I was wrong about the Punisher not being as good a martial artist as Batman. I nearly forgot how after witnessing the murder of his parents Frank Castle traveled the world training with the best martial artists. And then when he came back to the states he fixed up a little hide out in the sewers which happened to be the same sewer where the Ninja Turtles were living. Alongside the Turtles he trained under Master Splinter. Oh wait I screwed up everything I just mentioned(accept for the Ninja Turtle part)is actually Batmans origin. Batmans the better martial artist just deal with it! According to Wikipedia Encyclopedia Frank knows some martial arts but he's nowhere near Batmans league.

[ObakeTora]

Gee I guess I was wrong about the Punisher not being as good a martial artist as Batman. I nearly forgot how after witnessing the murder of his parents Frank Castle traveled the world training with the best martial artists. And then when he came back to the states he fixed up a little hide out in the sewers which happened to be the same sewer where the Ninja Turtles were living. Alongside the Turtles he trained under Master Splinter. Oh wait I screwed up everything I just mentioned(accept for the Ninja Turtle part)is actually Batmans origin. Batmans the better martial artist just deal with it! According to Wikipedia Encyclopedia Frank knows some martial arts but he's nowhere near Batmans league.


well since Batman has been around longer what if the writer of the Wiki entry was a biased fan? you know Wiki isnt 100% accurate noob!!


welcome to the hype!:cwink:

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[blightedmetal]

frank castle is more of a man than bruce wayne will ever be. after reading dc's sacrifice tpb, i lost what little respect i had for wayne. he gets torn apart by a no holds barred somewhat brainwashed superman. the whole jla cries over him, but then all wonder woman does is expose him to a healing ray and everything's peachy. screw that. it just means batman will always win no matter what the odds, not even because he's tough, but because some forged deus ex machina like retarded magical healing rays will always show up to put the ball back in batman's park. whatever. no one cries over castle and it's fine all the same. batman may have the upperhand in a fight but i'm sure the punisher would take any beating he got like a man and without the use of magical healing beams of happiness pulled out of some fanboy writer's @$$.

[cthulhu]

frank castle is more of a man than bruce wayne will ever be. after reading dc's sacrifice tpb, i lost what little respect i had for wayne. he gets torn apart by a no holds barred somewhat brainwashed superman. the whole jla cries over him, but then all wonder woman does is expose him to a healing ray and everything's peachy. screw that. it just means batman will always win no matter what the odds, not even because he's tough, but because some forged deus ex machina like retarded magical healing rays will always show up to put the ball back in batman's park. whatever. no one cries over castle and it's fine all the same. batman may have the upperhand in a fight but i'm sure the punisher would take any beating he got like a man and without the use of magical healing beams of happiness pulled out of some fanboy writer's @$$.


Heh - thats the spirit! Batman would trip on his cape.

[PunisherBorn]

frank castle is more of a man than bruce wayne will ever be. after reading dc's sacrifice tpb, i lost what little respect i had for wayne. he gets torn apart by a no holds barred somewhat brainwashed superman. the whole jla cries over him, but then all wonder woman does is expose him to a healing ray and everything's peachy. screw that. it just means batman will always win no matter what the odds, not even because he's tough, but because some forged deus ex machina like retarded magical healing rays will always show up to put the ball back in batman's park. whatever. no one cries over castle and it's fine all the same. batman may have the upperhand in a fight but i'm sure the punisher would take any beating he got like a man and without the use of magical healing beams of happiness pulled out of some fanboy writer's @$$.

haha...magical healing beams of happiness

[kcjones24]

well since Batman has been around longer what if the writer of the Wiki entry was a biased fan? you know Wiki isnt 100% accurate noob!!


welcome to the hype!:cwink:


This Wiki entry had nothing to do with Batman whatsoever, this entry only talked about Frank Castle/Punisher, the writer wasn't making a comparison between the two! Another thing if Frank Castle is half the martial artist that Bruce Wayne is how come Punisher fights his enemies with guns and knives, when Batman uses his hand to hand abilties, various weapons, and any other gadget he has created? Bruce Wayne also has more than enough money and resources to learn how to fight, as well as being able to teach others how to fight. Believe me I'm tired of hearing people say how Batman can beat anybody but there are times where I have to give Batman credit where credit is due.