Best Martial Arts Star

[WildChild]

So who do you think is the best martial arts star of all time. My vote is for Jackie Chan Easily.

[the_ultimate_evil]

going on acting talent, martial arts expertice or film success?

over all i'd say my hero bruce

[WildChild]

Overall talent as a whole the whole package. Acting Fighting everything. WHich I belive Jackie Chan has all of in spades. That is why he Is my Hero!!!

[kritic]

jackie chan is a goddamn stunt man.

Bruce Lee hands down.

[Kevin Roegele]

Katate from Bat-Fink.

[Guyverjay]

Originally posted by kritic
jackie chan is a goddamn stunt man.

and a master of of Hap-ki-do:o

Bruce Lee hands down.

Except he doesn't have a film thats better than Drunken master



Lee was the better martial ARTIST but no way is a better STAR than chan.

Chan is a better actor , bruce couldn't act to save his life:)

[GunBlade1]

Bruce Lee kicks my ass.

[Guyverjay]

who can't?

[GunBlade1]

Obviously your retarded father?

[Guyverjay]

No he can't because he's dead not because he's retarded

[GunBlade1]

Originally posted by guyverjay
No he can't because he's dead not because he's retarded
Well, then he can't. :p

[Guyverjay]

Obviously dead people don't count:o

[WildChild]

Originally posted by guyverjay
Lee was the better martial ARTIST but no way is a better STAR than chan.

Chan is a better actor , bruce couldn't act to save his life:)

Exactly bruce the better martial artist but as a whole Jackie Chan is just a better actor comidian and Movie Star PERIOD.

[Grey Area]

Dont know about sonny chiba but as someone who did martial arts for 6 years i would rate both chan and jet li above bruce.

[Grey Area]

Originally posted by guyverjay
Lee was the better martial ARTIST but no way is a better STAR than chan.

Chan is a better actor , bruce couldn't act to save his life:)

Have to disagree here - as an actual fighter bruce was good - as a martial artist bruce doesnt scratch the surface of what Chan knows.

[3dman27]

cynthia rothrock

[War Lord]

Pound for pound, BL was probably the strongest MLF. However, JC and JL has shown the widest range of skills.

[Savage]

As cool as Bruce Lee is and as skilled as he is(still haven't seen anyone better. Just people relying so damn much on aerials and fancy stuff that wouldn't work for crap), I have to say Chan is the better star. He's a better actor, he's funnier, he's more entertaining.

Although nothing takes away the feeling I get watching a Bruce Lee flick. The man's presence alone makes a movie worth watching to me.

[WildChild]

I like Bruce Lee as much as anyone but I just think that Jackie Chan is the greatest martial arts or action star of all time.

[phillyboy]

Jackie Chan would have to be the biggest star, but Sonny Chiba is the biggest martial arts legend of all.

[War Lord]

Originally posted by phillyboy
Jackie Chan would have to be the biggest star, but Sonny Chiba is the biggest martial arts legend of all.

Than why are you the only one who's heard of him?:p

[the a1ant]

Jackie Chan is a horrid actor, and they wonder why his films fail miserably. He can't carry a film on his own. He always needs a hip co-star to carry the acting weight of the film, and unfortunately that hasn't worked...except for RUSH HOUR. :o

[Zenien]

He's a very good actor for a martial artist, see any of his more serious movies and it's obvious. When he's speaking in English though, his speech is poor, so he compensates for it with humor.

And he's had plenty of hits. Now that he's getting older, he's trying to focus on creating an enjoyable atmosphere in place of his amazing martial arts. The guys 45+, cut him some slack.

See a movie like Accidental Spy. He's a very good actor within his genre. Also the most gifted on-screen martial artist of his time. Sonny Chuba defies logic considering he's so big (or am I thinking of someone else), but Chan is far more adept and has done things that no other Martial Artist will even attempt.

Bruce Lee was a highly proficient Martial Artist, but his movies weren't as good and he was never the same physically after his injury. Yes I think Bruce was probably the most proficient on screen martial artist of his time before his injury. But his (trajically) short career has been eclipsed by the other Martial Artists on the list.

And Chan is also a Singer, and a danmed good one at that. That has nothing to do with Martial Arts, but man he's sings a good song.

[War Lord]

Jackie Chan is almost 50 and he can still do most of the things he could do when he was 25. Amazing.

[the a1ant]

I'm not commenting of Chan in his home country, cause I'm sure he's good. But in the US, he's lacking...IMO.

[Zenien]

True that.

[phillyboy]

Originally posted by jonty30
Than why are you the only one who's heard of him?:p

If it wasnt for Sonny Chiba, you probally wouldnt have heard of Bruce Lee or Jackie Chan. He is the original Kung Fu star. Do some research & you might learn something.

[Guyverjay]

Originally posted by a1ant
Jackie Chan is a horrid actor, and they wonder why his films fail miserably. He can't carry a film on his own. He always needs a hip co-star to carry the acting weight of the film, and unfortunately that hasn't worked...except for RUSH HOUR. :o

Maybe when he acts in english (obviously not his first language). But in cantonese he's a great actor. Just watch the young master in cantonese when he pours his heart out to his teacher and you'll see he CAN act.

[Quentin Black]

Jet Li is the best martial artist in real life, talentwise he is pretty good but nothing special, film choice wise he bums.

[Bapman]

What about MARC DECASCOS ???
Why the heck isn't HE in this list.

The guy did
CRYING FREEMAN...
BROTHERHOOD OF THE WOLF...
DRIVE
ONLY THE STRONG and
errrrrrr CRADLE TO THE GRAVE n lastly

THE CROW series.

[Bapman]

Originally posted by guyverjay
Maybe when he acts in english (obviously not his first language). But in cantonese he's a great actor. Just watch the young master in cantonese when he pours his heart out to his teacher and you'll see he CAN act.

Second tht vote... and we're talking about GOOD ACTORS here... no talking about who can do better AMERICAN movies.

Heck 80% of JACKIE CHAN movies are better than most of the crap that comes out... like SWAT... BAD BOYS or CRADLE TO THE GRAVE.

Laslty... he makes wholesome movies that while the entire family can enjoy has amazing fighting choregraphy... which uptil now I've never seen in any movie other than MATRIX n DRIVE.

[War Lord]

Originally posted by Bapman
Second tht vote... and we're talking about GOOD ACTORS here... no talking about who can do better AMERICAN movies.

Heck 80% of JACKIE CHAN movies are better than most of the crap that comes out... like SWAT... BAD BOYS or CRADLE TO THE GRAVE.

Laslty... he makes wholesome movies that while the entire family can enjoy has amazing fighting choregraphy... which uptil now I've never seen in any movie other than MATRIX n DRIVE.

That's definitely one thing Chan has done better than any other MA is making movies a family can enjoy.

[Ketwol]

Bruce Lee hands down best fighter. talent wise Jackie chan even though I don''t find his movies amusing & where does chuck norris rank in this poll???

[3dman27]

Originally posted by Ketwol
Bruce Lee hands down best fighter. talent wise Jackie chan even though I don''t find his movies amusing & where does chuck norris rank in this poll??? a good question

[Zenien]

Chuck Norris isn't a real martial artist is he?

[War Lord]

He is a black belt in Tang Soo Do and Tae Kwan Do. He also has an eighth-degree black belt in Tae Kwan Do.

[Zenien]

Oh yeah, sorry I was thinking about Jean Claude.

[War Lord]

Jean Claude Van Damme was a Former European Professional Karate Association middleweight champion. He also was a ballerina.

[Zenien]

Really? Man, I'd always heard he was an amature who faked his way through looking like a martial artist onscreen.

[War Lord]

Originally posted by Zenien
Really? Man, I'd always heard he was an amature who faked his way through looking like a martial artist onscreen.

He was also a celebrity bodyguard. I can't remember who he was guarding at the time, but they suggested he go into movies. The rest, as they say is history.

[Jason C C]

It was steven SeaGULL who claimed he was a fake because they both hate each other

[War Lord]

Steven Seagal is an Aikido-master - 7th Dan.

Father of Kentaro Seagal and Ayako Fujitani.

He also is a Master in Japanese Kendo.

IMDB is such an informative site for this kind of information

[Jason C C]

He also makes ****ty movies:)

[Jason C C]

Benny "the jet" urquidez kicks all their asses:o

[War Lord]

Originally posted by Jason C C
He also makes ****ty movies:)

No question of this. He's also scared sh**less of the mob.

[Dark Carnage]

Originally posted by Jason C C
Benny "the jet" urquidez kicks all their asses:o
Isn't that the guy who fathered kick boxing?

[War Lord]

Originally posted by Dark Carnage
Isn't that the guy who fathered kick boxing?

No, he has earned black belts in nine different martial arts and trained in other styles. He started Ukidokan. Idon't know waht Ukidokan is, but he started it. His mom was a professional wrestler,

[Jason C C]

Hd also stared opposite Jackie chan in wheels on meals in which their on screen fight is considered one of the greatest in the history of martial arts movies:o

He also undefeated

[QuiGonJosh]

Sonny Chiba

[War Lord]

Originally posted by Jason C C
Hd also stared opposite Jackie chan in wheels on meals in which their on screen fight is considered one of the greatest in the history of martial arts movies:o

He also undefeated

On IMDB it says that he held 5 world titles for 24 straight years.

[War Lord]

Sonny Chiba has:

2nd-Dan Blackbelt in Jûdô

4th-Dan Blackbelt in Ninjutsu

1st-Dan Blackbelt in Kendô

1st-Dan Blackbelt in Shôrinji Kenpô

[Jason C C]

Originally posted by jonty30
On IMDB it says that he held 5 world titles for 24 straight years.

Now thats HARDCORE:eek:

Can ANYONE top that?

I think not

[War Lord]

Originally posted by Jason C C
Now thats HARDCORE:eek:

Can ANYONE top that?

I think not

I bet I can beat him now.

He is dead, isn't he? I don't want him to find me if he's not.

[Jason C C]

No he's still alive. He just opened his official site not too long ago

[War Lord]

Originally posted by Jason C C
No he's still alive. He just opened his official site not too long ago

Damn:(

I'll go start my funeral march. *sniff*

[Quentin Black]

Jet Li is China's best exported fighter.

[War Lord]

Originally posted by Quentin Black
Jet Li is China's best exported fighter.

If he's truly their best, why didn't they keep him?

[Quentin Black]

I didn't know they had control of his motor functions :rolleyes:

[Jason C C]

Originally posted by Quentin Black
I didn't know they had control of his motor functions :rolleyes:

Then you didn't know as much about him as you thought you did:mad:

Why do you think his acting is so bad?

He's a god damn robot!!!

[Quentin Black]

His acting is better than the other choices (apart from maybe Sonny).

[War Lord]

In the Ultimate Fighting championships, it's always been the grapplers that have won.

[Bapman]

Originally posted by Bapman
What about MARC DECASCOS ???
Why the heck isn't HE in this list.

The guy did
CRYING FREEMAN...
BROTHERHOOD OF THE WOLF...
DRIVE
ONLY THE STRONG and
errrrrrr CRADLE TO THE GRAVE n lastly

THE CROW series.

AGAIN !!! Where is HE ??? Hasn't anyone seen these ???

[Jason C C]

The fact that not alot of people even know him shows that he can't be the best STAR:o

[War Lord]

Originally posted by Jason C C
The fact that not alot of people even know him shows that he can't be the best STAR:o

I checked with the IMDB website and he doesn't even register.

[Grey Area]

You cant really say who is the best fighter out of them as they wont fight each other:) The biggest star is probably Lee as he's so iconic although as he's dead its not really right to compare him with the others. The most bankable is prob Chan but none of them will ever be major A list players. IMO if Brandon Lee had survived he would have gone on to become a major star eclipsing all the others.

[War Lord]

Originally posted by Grey Area
You cant really say who is the best fighter out of them as they wont fight each other:) The biggest star is probably Lee as he's so iconic although as he's dead its not really right to compare him with the others. The most bankable is prob Chan but none of them will ever be major A list players. IMO if Brandon Lee had survived he would have gone on to become a major star eclipsing all the others.

Chuck Norris was probably the biggest star until Chan.

[Savage]

Yeah when it comes to star power Bruce has em all beat. But I guess that's also partly due to him bringing martial arts to america and to foreigners in the first place so everyone thanks him so much(that and he developed a method to fighting that revolutionized martial arts as we know it).

So yeah as a star and a fighter Bruce has em all beat...Jackie's still the best actor. Just watch Drunken Master(with subtitles. screw the dubbed version) and you've seen all you have to of his work(please don't watch Fist of Fury 2. I beg of you!).

[WildChild]

Originally posted by Savage
Yeah when it comes to star power Bruce has em all beat. But I guess that's also partly due to him bringing martial arts to america and to foreigners in the first place so everyone thanks him so much(that and he developed a method to fighting that revolutionized martial arts as we know it).

So yeah as a star and a fighter Bruce has em all beat...Jackie's still the best actor. Just watch Drunken Master(with subtitles. screw the dubbed version) and you've seen all you have to of his work(please don't watch Fist of Fury 2. I beg of you!).

Is that druken master I or II

[3dman27]

Originally posted by jonty30
I checked with the IMDB website and he doesn't even register. are you sure you're spelling his last name right maybe THATS why he doesnt come up

[War Lord]

Originally posted by 3dman27
are you sure you're spelling his last name right maybe THATS why he doesnt come up

What IMDB does in case of misspellings is creates a list of the first name given with all possible last names and takes the last names and creates a list of all possible first names. I cut and pasted from your spelling to try and find it. I have found that sometimes if the actor is a fairly minor one, using his name doesn't always register, his name will appear in the movie instead. So I'll take the list of movies you listed and see what comes up.

[War Lord]

I found him.
I found through crying freeman.

He was the 1982 European Kung Fu and Karate Championship -- Brown Belt Division and 1982 Italian Kung Fu and Karate Championships -- Brown Belt Division

He also only drinks tea and water.

[Grey Area]

Originally posted by Savage


and a fighter Bruce has em all beat...

You cant say that - there's no doubt lee was a good fighter but the others are all very capable too. You cant compare them.

[Grey Area]

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[Savage]

Originally posted by Grey Area
You cant say that - there's no doubt lee was a good fighter but the others are all very capable too. You cant compare them.
Yes I know they are all capable fighters as well but Bruce's methods just seem like they can overcome the old fashioned ways in which people like Chan and Li are trained...I guess you just have to read Tao of Jeet Kune Do to see where I'm coming from. This man has really developed ingenious methods.

And Wildchild I'm refering to part one which is just Drunken Master. Part 2 is The Legend of Drunken Master.

[Grey Area]

Originally posted by Savage
Yes I know they are all capable fighters as well but Bruce's methods just seem like they can overcome the old fashioned ways in which people like Chan and Li are trained...I guess you just have to read Tao of Jeet Kune Do to see where I'm coming from. This man has really developed ingenious methods.

And Wildchild I'm refering to part one which is just Drunken Master. Part 2 is The Legend of Drunken Master.

I have read The Teo of Jeet Kune Do:) The thing is Bruce had ideas about doing things his own ways but whose to say they were right?? What i've learnt most about fighting styles is to do whats best for you - Bruce Lee said "if it works use it" thats somethng i strongly believe in when it comes to fighting. The thing is just cause he wrote that and developed his own style that doesnt mean he's the best. There are and will contine to be much better martial artists than Bruce Lee. Thats why i feel it's wrong to just say "bruce would kick their @ss - you dont know that. You like his writing and ideas great but you cant say he's better unless they ever fought.

[Savage]

Touche.:cool:

[Adenjo]

I voted Bruce....

Chan would have gotten my vote had it not ben for all the Buster Keaton BS...

[WildChild]

That Buster Keaton BS is why I like Jackie Chan over any other action star.

[Victor Von Doom]

Gandalf

[ramon]

gandalf?

so my vote goes to macaulay kulkin, home alone

[Victor Von Doom]

Yup Gandalf. That's bbasically what he was in The movies. Quite masterfull with the staff.

[Erik Magnus Lehnsherr]

Jet Li.

[smeagol4prez]

Pat Morita.

[WildChild]

Splinter

[Guyverjay]

Originally posted by Adenjo
I voted Bruce....

Chan would have gotten my vote had it not ben for all the Buster Keaton BS...

That makes no sense what so ever:o

That "Buster keaton BS" is what makes chan......CHAN

[3dman27]

so jackie excuse me, mr chan is a fan of buster keaton, whats wrong with that?

[Atrax robustus]

Bruce Lee. No doubt in my mind.

[Bapman]

Ok... they were talking about NOT Recognising MARC DECASCOS... also goes by MARC ALAN DECASCOS

Here's his stats FROM IMDB

World renowned Martial Artist, among his achievements:

1982 -- European Kung Fu and Karate Championships -- First Place -- Lightweight -- Brown Belt Division

1982 -- Italian Kung Fu and Karate Championships -- First Place -- Lightweight -- Brown Belt Division

1982 -- Hamburg Karate Championships -- First Place -- Junior Division

1980 -- Hamburg Karate Championships -- First Place -- Junior

1980 -- Long Beach Internationals -- First Place -- Brown Belt Division -- Forms

1973 -- Long Beach Internationals -- First Place -- Pee Wee

HAAAHHH !!!

Btw... if you REALLY wanna see what he can do...
Watch "DRIVE"... "ONLY THE STRONG and "BROTHER OF THE WOLF"
He also did "CROW: Stairway to Heaven"
Don't know how it is though.

[War Lord]

Movies are really a poor method to determine who is the best martial arts star, because things are so choreographed and only successful acts make it on film.

[War Lord]

Not that I mean to be such a downer on this theory.

[Bapman]

Here are some screenshot from the movie
"CRYING FREEMAN"
I mean just look at his moves... no ropes nothing... the guy is just plain simple graceful and agile.

http://images2.deviantart.com/i/2004/01/6/b/Crying_Freeman_1.jpg

http://images2.deviantart.com/i/2004/01/e/e/Crying_Freeman_2.jpg

http://images2.deviantart.com/i/2004/01/3/5/Crying_Freeman_3.jpg

http://images2.deviantart.com/i/2004/01/b/a/Crying_Freeman_4.jpg

If you are infatuated with agility and grace like me... you are gonna LOVE his fight scenes.
The problem with him is that he doesn't get much good roles.

[War Lord]

Actors don't get good roles, if they aren' considered marketable.

[Quentin Black]

Sammo Hung is graceful and fat. How cool is that.

[LadyVader]

There wouldn't even be a Jackie Chan or a Jet Li without Bruce Lee.
IMHO

[Guyverjay]

Martial arts film existed BEFORE Bruce Lee. What Bruce did was make the west take notice. But considering that 95% of Jackies career was made in HONG KONG, it wouldnt have made any difference to him:o

In fact Jackie ALMOST failed BECAUSE of Bruce lee. Everyone wanted to make him (and everyone else) into bruce lee and it just wasn't him. He made his OWN style and became a success in his own right

[Grey Area]

Originally posted by LadyVader
There wouldn't even be a Jackie Chan or a Jet Li without Bruce Lee.
IMHO

It's true that Bruce was the first to bring proper martial arts to the western mainstream but guyverjay got it spot on bout that hindrence thing. I wonder how Bruce's career would have gone if he hadnt died??

[Quentin Black]

Originally posted by LadyVader
There wouldn't even be a Jackie Chan or a Jet Li without Bruce Lee.
IMHO

That is one of the most stupid things I have ever heard. You do know that Bruce Lee isn't that big in Hong Kong?

[Zenien]

That's true. Well he was popular, but moreso in the west.

[War Lord]

Out of curiousity, how do Asians view movies set in European medieval times?

[Quentin Black]

Not very interesting.

[War Lord]

Originally posted by Quentin Black
Not very interesting.

I'm not referring to Asians as an ethnicity, but Asians that actually live in Asia:)

[Guyverjay]

Really?

The wny do soo many Japanese manga,anime and video games creators make stuff based on it:confused:

[War Lord]

Originally posted by guyverjay
Really?

The wny do soo many Japanese manga,anime and video games creators make stuff based on it:confused:

I personally assume that they have the same reaction to European Medievalism that I do when watching a movie taking place in ancient Asia, it's interesting because it's different and a chance to learn something.

[Guyverjay]

You watch the Record of lodoss war (basically the Japanese take on LOTR). Its an all time classic in Japan

[Quentin Black]

I go to Hong Kong a lot and a lot of my friends (who are Indian) go to India a lot. It's not very interesting for any Asian I know of.

[Quentin Black]

There are few examples I can think of where Asian people have emulated European medevil stuff.

[Guyverjay]

To be fair 90% of all films made in india are musicals (yes sterotypical but it happens to be true)

[Quentin Black]

I would say 95%. It because they don't have a seperate music industry so all their music are clips from films. My friend made me sit through some of them. One thing they can't do...action. On the other hand Hong Kong movie industry (arguably the third biggest after Hollywood and Bollywood) are very good at doing highly stylised stuff, which includes a lot of action, which a lot of Hollywood seems to be copying. Apart from in parts of the world of Manga medievil european influences are rarely seen (werstern done manga doesn't count btw).

[Guyverjay]

Record of lodoss war
Tales of crystania
Chronicles of the heroic knight
The Heroic Legend of Arislan
Bezerk

are all examples of Japanese manga]


Plus there are games RPG's like the Dragon quest, Final fantasy, shining force etc

All HEAVILY influenced by european Medieval periods. In fact the first two series of games have been there most popular game series in over a decade (especially Dragonquest).

Plus there is manga based on other european time periods like Vampire hunter D, Ulyssees etc

[War Lord]

It sounds like Asians like European Medievalism than Quentin wants to admit. Just like a Brit, likes to understate things.

[Quentin Black]

Then there are the thousands of more famous manga titles which aren't influenced by European Medievalism. Jonty notice that I did mention that some Manga has influences there...but that's about it. Just like Bush, you like to exaggerate everything.

[War Lord]

Originally posted by Quentin Black
Then there are the thousands of more famous manga titles which aren't influenced by European Medievalism. Jonty notice that I did mention that some Manga has influences there...but that's about it. Just like Bush, you like to exaggerate everything.

I can't exaggerate the goodness of Bush.;)

[Quentin Black]

Tell me, does his feeces smell nice?

Like it or not the Asian people on the whole aren't that interested in European Medieval times.

[Guyverjay]

Originally posted by jonty30
It sounds like Asians like European Medievalism than Quentin wants to admit. Just like a Brit, likes to understate things.

Hey I'm a Brit too you know:o

[War Lord]

Originally posted by guyverjay
Hey I'm a Brit too you know:o

That's your shame:p

[Guyverjay]

Its my gift , my curse:D

[War Lord]

Originally posted by guyverjay
Its my gift , my curse:D

I know what you mean. Quentin's mine.

[Quentin Black]

The feeling is mutual.

[War Lord]

Originally posted by Quentin Black
The feeling is mutual.

Well, since we have so much in common and I know what smooth skin you have, we should go see the justice of the peace.

[Quentin Black]

huh?

[War Lord]

You read me. We'll have beautiful children.

[Quentin Black]

God no.

[War Lord]

Originally posted by Quentin Black
God no.

Why not?

[Quentin Black]

You're an idiot is why.

[War Lord]

Originally posted by Quentin Black
You're an idiot is why.

I promise that our children will study hard, so that won't be a problem.

[Guyverjay]

meh this has become a spam fest:mad:

Topic people!!!

[Quentin Black]

Jet Li is the best

[War Lord]

Originally posted by guyverjay
meh this has become a spam fest:mad:

Topic people!!!

I'm sorry. It's fun to tweak certain people, those with tic tacs.

[WildChild]

Jackie is the best Period.

[Zenien]

We always seem to agree, you and I:)

[Savage]

Originally posted by guyverjay
Martial arts film existed BEFORE Bruce Lee. What Bruce did was make the west take notice. But considering that 95% of Jackies career was made in HONG KONG, it wouldnt have made any difference to him:o

In fact Jackie ALMOST failed BECAUSE of Bruce lee. Everyone wanted to make him (and everyone else) into bruce lee and it just wasn't him. He made his OWN style and became a success in his own right
Yeah...*Has horrible flashback of Fist of Fury 2* *shudders*:(

[Assassin32]

Bruce Lee wins because he is a bad mother****er.

[hitmanyr2k]

Bruce Lee and Jet Li are tied for my #1 spot. I've always preferred martial arts actors that had that dragon kind of look. Jet and Bruce have it but Jackie doesn't. That doesn't take much away from Jackie though...he's a close 2nd.

Favorite film of each....

Bruce Lee - Fist of Fury

Jet Li - Fist of Legend

Jackie Chan - Police Story

[Sava]

Originally posted by Assassin32
Bruce Lee wins because he is a bad mother****er.

What he said ^^

[Guyverjay]

That Dragon kind of look??

What on earth are tou talking about?:confused:

and what has their look got to with the quality of their films?:confused:

[Crimson_Dynamo]

DONNIE YEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PURE TALENT

[Savage]

Originally posted by Crimson_Dynamo
DONNIE YEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PURE TALENT HELL YEAH!!!:cool: ...In his own movies anyway. I try to avoid his Fist of Fury movies(like all Fist of Fury movies having nothing to do with Bruce Lee...still can't believe they used the Robocop theme:( ).But yeah. Yen is definately one of my current faves.

[hitmanyr2k]

Originally posted by guyverjay
That Dragon kind of look??

What on earth are tou talking about?:confused:

and what has their look got to with the quality of their films?:confused:

What I mean by Dragon look is that "you're about to get your ass beat down" kind of look lol. Bruce and Jet both have that arrogant sneer they can project that intensifies their fight scenes...

http://hitmanyr2k.com/JetLiYulaw.JPG

http://hitmanyr2k.com/BruceLeeCC.JPG

As much as I like Jackie he has this wounded "please don't hurt me" kind of look lol. Probably because he rarely ever plays the tough guy character and he's more playful in his comedic style.

[oakzap425]

The Boy from The Karate Kid

[Savage]

Originally posted by hitmanyr2k
What I mean by Dragon look is that "you're about to get your ass beat down" kind of look lol. Bruce and Jet both have that arrogant sneer they can project that intensifies their fight scenes...

http://hitmanyr2k.com/JetLiYulaw.JPG

http://hitmanyr2k.com/BruceLeeCC.JPG

As much as I like Jackie he has this wounded "please don't hurt me" kind of look lol. Probably because he rarely ever plays the tough guy character and he's more playful in his comedic style. Wow. I've never even noticed the similarities in look before.

[Hulkzilla]

Bruce Lee was The Master
And still is
NO ONE matched his grace & power

[Kevin Roegele]

If we're talking 'star', then it is hands down Bruce Lee. He's one of the icons of the 20th century, for goodness' sake.

[Daggard]

Agreed. Bruce Lee CREATED the title "Martial Arts Star."

Without his pioneering work in cinema and tv, there wouldn't be the level of interest around the world in the genre, and guys like Jackie Chan and Jet Li wouldn't be as well-known as they are.

[3dman27]

Originally posted by Daggard
Agreed. Bruce Lee CREATED the title "Martial Arts Star."

Without his pioneering work in cinema and tv, there wouldn't be the level of interest around the world in the genre, and guys like Jackie Chan and Jet Li wouldn't be as well-known as they are. i have to agree with daggard without mr lee martial arts would probaly still be considered dirty fighting like its critics first called it

[3dman27]

yes thats true

[Zilleraut #66]

Even though I like Chiba, Gordon Lui, and the Venoms more I would have to go with Bruce Lee.

[Nightwing: Endgame]

Bruce Lee is the best in his time

I say Jet Li nowadayz

Kiss Of The Dragon is an AWESOME movie

[kirbyfan]

They're all cool, but the baddest mother to ever walk the planet is Sonny Chiba!! All the other guys do their thing no doubt, but sonny was the absolute first to rip out your throat, take out your eyes, break both your arms, knock your teeth out, snatch your genitals completely off, and then take your girlfriend and dare you to do anything about it!

this man would just plain kick your _ _ _ ! No fancy moves, no flying through the air, none of that stuff, just his foot knee deep in your _ _ _!

His fighting is so brutal that he is the very first martial artist to get an X rating for the violence in his movies!

You can have all the others, but as for me, I'll take my man Sonny Chiba, the baddest mother around! If you don't know, you better ask somebody!!

[BDOUBLEO]

They are all great but I had to choose Bruce Lee, there was something about him that just wanted you to study martial arts after you seen one of his movies.

Another underrated martial artist who doesn't get his due is Wesely Snipes even though many of his movies don't focus on it. He is very dedicated to it, check the link http://www.fightingmaster.com/actors/snipes/training.htm

[Warhammer]

Jackie Chan.

No Contest.

:cool:

[hitmanyr2k]

How did this thread get resurrected after 2 years? lol.

Anyway, this is as good a thread as any to post a tribute to my favorite martial artist.

Jet Li "Retrospective" (http://hitmanyr2k.com/JetLiRetro.avi)

...a compilation of his movies set to Clint Mansell's "Hopeful Overture" musical score.

[vindrow]

To be fair, comparing the filmograhies of Bruce to those of Jackie, Sonny, and Jet would be the same if you put Bradon Lee in there....Bruce only made 4 films in his short life, compared to the many films that these guys made. Of course, they would be better actors since they had quite a lot of time to improve their acting skills...who could say what Bruce would have become had he lived.

I would say that Jackie is the better actor of these choices.

[The Chairman]

Bruce Lee.

And where's Chow Yun Fat?

[The Dark Defender]

Zhang Ziyi.

http://pub.tv2.no/multimedia/TV2/archive/00167/Zhang_Ziyi_167261g.jpg

[Dr. Evil]

Chuck Norris, not because of his martial arts powers, but because:

# There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.

# Outer space exists because it's afraid to be on the same planet with Chuck Norris.

# Chuck Norris does not sleep. He waits.

# Chuck Norris is currently suing NBC, claiming Law and Order are trademarked names for his left and right legs.

# Chuck Norris is the reason why Waldo is hiding.

# Chuck Norris counted to infinity - twice.

# There is no chin behind Chuck Norris’ beard. There is only another fist.

[TwilightPro101]

Bruce Lee.

[32CAGE]

Bruce Lee is the legend. He is the one that make it possible for everyone else.

[thealiasman2000]

I don't know who the hell Sonny Chiba is, but I can tell you this: if Bruce Lee doesn't win this poll by a landslide, then there is no justice in the world.

[My vengeance]

Has no one heard of Jason Scott Lee? :(

[mister Lennon]

Bruce Lee wins because he was the best martial arts artist and he was the original badass. Bruce rules.

[My vengeance]

Bruce Lee is the best martial artist by far,but he didn't strike me as having great acting skills.That must be taken into account here.

[mister Lennon]

Come on, the three on the poll are horrible actors. None of them cant act. Lee and Jet Li only could play theirselves and jackie chan is a kind of bad clown who overacts all the time. But at least, Bruce was cool as hell.

[XwolverineX]

Bruce Lee is and will always be the master of Kung-fu.. :o

[My vengeance]

I agree, Bruce Lee is the best martial artist,but the topic asks which is the greates martial arts star ,and that,for me, is Sonny Chiba.His character in The Streetfighter was so different from what we had become accustomed to with Bruce Lee...plus,he played Hattori Hanzo in Kill Bill.:up:

[thealiasman2000]

So THAT's who Sonny Chiba is? Hattori Hanzo?

Man, Bruce Lee would kick his sorry, pathethic ass SO bad, it won't even be funny.

[Guyverjay]

Jackie Chan is best actor out of all of them
Bruce Lee was the coolest

Quite frankly I think Tony Jaa has the potential to **** over all of them

http://www.g21.net/cristograx/tony_jaa26.jpg

Tom yum Goong's action scenes **** over anything Bruce and Jet did in their entire careers imo

[My vengeance]

So THAT's who Sonny Chiba is? Hattori Hanzo?

Man, Bruce Lee would kick his sorry, pathethic ass SO bad, it won't even be funny.

Yes,but he made most of his movies in the 70's and early 80's.That's when he was in his prime.He was simply insane back then,though,I agree,Bruce would defeat him in hand to hand combat.

[realestmutant45]

I went with BRUCE..but then again Tony Jaa was really good in ONG BAK..

[TheFalcon]

I'll have to say Bruce Lee, though I'm only counting martial arts expertice and not acting skills. I'd probably say Jackie Chan if I have to count both of those skills.

[ord0g]

Come on, the three on the poll are horrible actors. None of them cant act. Lee and Jet Li only could play theirselves and jackie chan is a kind of bad clown who overacts all the time. But at least, Bruce was cool as hell.
Actually, I'd have to disagree. The only one on the poll that can't act to save his life is Bruce Lee. Jet Li has a limited range of roles that he could fill but when he plays the roles that do suit him he excels. Jackie Chan probably has the best credentials of all of them having studied at the Peking Opera School. As for Sonny Chiba, well not many people know how cool that man is.

It's a hard pick between Jackie Chan and Sonny Chiba though. I'd have to choose Jackie Chan as he knows how to entertain with his movies rather than just act. His choreographing and directing of martial arts movies did change the way a lot of action was filmed in HK/China.

[jusblaze21]

If you're Talking just Martial arts than, Lee, but I do think Chan is the Bigger movie star.

[SpiderHulkThing]

Don't bring me down, bruce.

[GoldGoblin]

Jackie Chan,those stunts and moves he does is awesome.

[The_Guyver]

Bruce Lee was way ahead of his time, he's still the best martial arts star. Jackie Chan is an acrobatic entertainer, and Bruce's stunt double at one time. Bruce is the most accomplished martial artist.

[A.J.Rimmer(BSC)]

Chuck Norris, not because of his martial arts powers, but because:

# There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.

# Outer space exists because it's afraid to be on the same planet with Chuck Norris.

# Chuck Norris does not sleep. He waits.

# Chuck Norris is currently suing NBC, claiming Law and Order are trademarked names for his left and right legs.

# Chuck Norris is the reason why Waldo is hiding.

# Chuck Norris counted to infinity - twice.

# There is no chin behind Chuck Norris’ beard. There is only another fist.

LMAO!
:)

[Dangerous]

Bruce Lee in every department, he was a good actor too.

[kirbyfan]

You guys better go back and read my post about Sonny Chiba, anyone that truly knows can tell you that you can't just brush this guy aside! As I posted, no one, absolutely no one had done what this man did.

This guy is hard core, he doesn't play!

When you face Sonny Chiba, be prepared to die! The man is a master in about six different disciplines. He's a serious, serious, bad_ _ _!!

[Michael Corleone]

If Lee had lived he would be the biggest star in the world. He was already on his way. He was also the best martial artist. He is still probably the most acomplished. Imagine how talented he would be now if had lived? All that have come after him owe him thanks. Without Bruce...I doubt things would be the same.

[ROBOCOP CPU001]

Wheres chuck norris..steven seagal.

:o

[Mee]

Jackie Chan!

[DorkyFresh]

I love Bruce Lee...he's always been my favorite martial artist PERIOD....



...but in terms of acting and sheer entertainment, it's hands down Jackie Chan. that man has done SOOO many great fight sequences and stunts. Bruce Lee was at a disadvantage because he was one of the first to figure out what works on screen as far as fighting is concerned, so Jackie Chan ran with the ball and developed some of the best fight scenes you'll ever see. if you go back and ask martial arts movie fans what their top 3 favorite fight scenes were.....it's almost gauranteed at LEAST 1 will be from a Jackie Chan movie. not everyone will list a Bruce Lee, Jet Li, or Sonny Chiba fight scene in their top 3.

so Bruce Lee, Jet Li, Sonny Chiba....ya'll get your props for the great stuff you guys did, but i have to give it to Jackie Chan.

he's a hell of a lot funnier than the other guys too...

[kirbyfan]

Before Lee died he had planned to do some work with Sonny Chiba. As far as acting goes Chiba has more than enough chops, his filmography is long. His Japan Action Club produced many movies.

In Japan he's like a legend!

[Poetic Chaos]

The best martial arts star is the one with the best martials arts movie. So it's obviously Jet Li for Fist Of Legend.

[thedeadite]

fist of legend was amazing..and i'm still trying to get myself a subtitled uncut version of it...but instead have to settle with the (so i hear, badly) butchered u.s. dubbed version..i hate dubs...

jet li - once upon a time in china = my favourite martial arts movie ever!!!

all on the list are great though....i do agree that this list never should have been made w/o sonny chiba on it, and am shocked at all the people posting that have no clue who he is....sad.

[XwolverineX]

Bruce Lee is obviously the Best Martial Artist. Best Martiall Arts Star? Umm, Idunno fer sure.

[Spidey-Bat]

Jackie Chan is the better star. Bruce Lee was the better martial artist.

[tzarinna]

Bruce Lee