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Thread Manager 05-23-2014 02:44 AM

Re: Girl gone ROGUE Thread (ANNA PAQUIN's BACK..FALSE ALARM SHE'S BEEN CUT) - Par
 
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Thread Manager 05-23-2014 02:44 AM

Re: Girl gone ROGUE Thread (ANNA PAQUIN's BACK..FALSE ALARM SHE'S BEEN CUT) - Part
 
This is a continuation thread, the old thread is Here

psylockolussus 05-23-2014 02:45 AM

Re: Girl gone ROGUE Thread (ANNA PAQUIN's BACK..FALSE ALARM SHE'S BEEN CUT) - Par
 
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Originally Posted by danagirl42 (Post 28860531)
Umm, she was not working/busy she they did all those reshoots last Fall and was a free as a bird, so I don't know why people keep talking about her schedule being the reason they could not fit her into the movie. It just did not work out for the character to be in this movie in a meaningful way. That's all.

The reshoots did not happened last fall. I think it happened earlier this year and Anna Paquin was filming the final season of True Blood.

If you didn't read some of the set reports, let me you that it was mentioned that Rogue has a bigger role in the original script but like Halle, was shortened because of their schedule.

BMM 05-23-2014 02:46 AM

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I really want to see the cut scenes now. A side mission with Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellen, rescuing Rogue from the former School now turned camp and research facility? Yes, please.

SAUspartan 05-23-2014 02:55 AM

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Originally Posted by BMM (Post 28863115)
I really want to see the cut scenes now. A side mission with Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellen, rescuing Rogue from the former School now turned camp and research facility? Yes, please.

It will be brilliant. Love how they are actually finishing the special effects.

Justice4#Rouge 05-23-2014 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by SAUspartan (Post 28863153)
It will be brilliant. Love how they are actually finishing the special effects.

Yassss!!!! This movie has somehow hightened my exictment seeing this scene!! By far best comic book movie IMHO!!....... tho i will say i could tell where the Rogue scenes were supposed to be. Ellen Page/Kitty however done a good job at almost sucking me in like this was always how it was meant to play out...ALMOST. I can't help but think what could have been for Rogue.


That last scene
Spoiler!!! Click to Read!:
just when the sentinels were about to wipe out everyone was soo intense.. i really want to see Anna's take on it cause Ellen done a good job, but it would be even better to see Rogue in that position.... just image the emotion!!!
I really really hope we see the Rogue sequences in full and not just a deleted scene

SkyIsBlue 05-23-2014 09:46 AM

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So excited!

I really hope it's an extended cut that they will give us! An extended cut has a more feeling of continuity. A deleted scene would just provide a feeling of "what if".

Justice4#Rouge 05-23-2014 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by SkyIsBlue (Post 28865233)
So excited!

I really hope it's an extended cut that they will give us! An extended cut has a more feeling of continuity. A deleted scene would just provide a feeling of "what if".

Exactly!!! I did say once that i thought that the reshot scenes where just throw outs and wouldnt be included on DVD...... i take that back because Ellen really does convey that emotion in those final few moments. This is coming from someone who hates her as the character but she done an exellent job.... i hope Anna's version is just as good, if we ever see it... and something tells me we will see the breakout sequence as a deleted scene, but WON'T see her take over kittys power, that way it doesnt muddle up whats being shown.. soneone tell me im wrong haha!!

Krak66 05-23-2014 10:24 AM

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Now I understand why Rogue was cut from the movie. Her plot line would be odd to the storytelling

Great Mind(s) 05-23-2014 10:29 AM

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Maybe it would be...it depends on how it's edited. They spent a long time in the past without going back to the future, why not spend some time in the future for a change?

Figs 05-23-2014 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by SkyIsBlue (Post 28865233)
So excited!

I really hope it's an extended cut that they will give us! An extended cut has a more feeling of continuity. A deleted scene would just provide a feeling of "what if".

That would be nice. For such a big movie that will make a lot of money on home video sales as well, they should do it like they did with The Wolverine. Include both theatrical and extended cuts.

SkyIsBlue 05-23-2014 10:17 PM

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^Yep! I hope Singer knows how large the fanbase of Rogue is.

By the way, has anybody noticed the location of Anna Paquin's name during the credits? I think her name appeared within the first ten cast members.

That's pretty high for a "cameo". Same with Famke and Marsden.

psylockolussus 05-23-2014 10:42 PM

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She got a higher billing than Ellen Page.

Majik1387 05-24-2014 03:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Krak66 (Post 28865457)
Now I understand why Rogue was cut from the movie. Her plot line would be odd to the storytelling

Not in the slightest.

DarthSkywalker 05-24-2014 03:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Great Mind(s) (Post 28865515)
Maybe it would be...it depends on how it's edited. They spent a long time in the past without going back to the future, why not spend some time in the future for a change?

The entire narrative is about "fixing" the timeline. From everything we know, Rogue's subplot didn't have much to do with that. The film isn't divided by future/past. It is all about the narrative, and the driving force of the film was the past as that is what needed to be changed.

Majik1387 05-24-2014 03:52 AM

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It's pretty clear where Rogue was supposed to step in with Kitty, and we know she was originally supposed to be part of that whole set up. To say her subplot didn't have much to do with the main plot of fixing the past is just untrue entirely.

DarthSkywalker 05-24-2014 03:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Majik1387 (Post 28874971)
It's pretty clear where Rogue was supposed to step in with Kitty, and we know she was originally supposed to be part of that whole set up. To say her subplot didn't have much to do with the main plot of fixing the past is just untrue entirely.

And yet watching the film, did that seem necessary in the least bit? Was it not very effective having only one capable of the feat, and thus once Kitty is injured, the drama is heightened? We arrive at a better version, with less film.

They cut it for a reason. Considering they are finishing it for the home release, shows there was no hard feelings, but they realized it didn't work.

Majik1387 05-24-2014 04:05 AM

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Honestly, I think what happened was necessary, and what Rogue was expected to do should have happened. If where it was supposed to happen happened, then there literally would only be one hope for the past/present/future and it also would have shown the measures and risks taken even when not against a Sentinel.

DarthSkywalker 05-24-2014 04:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Majik1387 (Post 28875027)
Honestly, I think what happened was necessary, and what Rogue was expected to do should have happened. If where it was supposed to happen happened, then there literally would only be one hope for the past/present/future and it also would have shown the measures and risks taken even when not against a Sentinel.

It over-complicates what is there for no reason, other then to add another mutant. Considering the caliber of actresses, I think keeping Ellen Page around was smart. Plus, streamlines the storyline. Less is more.

Or do you think they filmed all of those scenes, then cut them just because?

Majik1387 05-24-2014 04:21 AM

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I don't see it as an over-complication. If anything happened to Kitty at any point before she did her job, they fail. Having a plan B is not just 'adding another mutant' it brings it full circle for the first movie honestly.
Rogue was originally supposed to be used as a tool for Magneto, here she would have been a tool to fix everything with the first mutant she ever had a connection with.
So much poetic justice could have been done, in the same amount of time, as what we got.

DarthSkywalker 05-24-2014 04:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Majik1387 (Post 28875087)
I don't see it as an over-complication. If anything happened to Kitty at any point before she did her job, they fail. Having a plan B is not just 'adding another mutant' it brings it full circle for the first movie honestly.
Rogue was originally supposed to be used as a tool for Magneto, here she would have been a tool to fix everything with the first mutant she ever had a connection with.
So much poetic justice could have been done, in the same amount of time, as what we got.

This only matter if Rogue is presented. She isn't, and thus is a non-issue. This only becomes an issue because people know they filmed it and then cut it. There is nothing in the movie at all the indicated that Rogue was even alive still.

And the poetic justice is that Kitty, the one who time travels in the comic, is the one that sends Logan back and is responsible for him.

danagirl42 05-24-2014 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by psylockolussus (Post 28863105)
The reshoots did not happened last fall. I think it happened earlier this year and Anna Paquin was filming the final season of True Blood.

If you didn't read some of the set reports, let me you that it was mentioned that Rogue has a bigger role in the original script but like Halle, was shortened because of their schedule.



No. Some the longer reshoots too place in the fall. There were a few days of reshoots earlier in the year. Halle was totally shut out because she was either pregnant or just had the baby last fall, so you could not expect her to do much (although I did like her limited role in the movie). Anna was free last fall (not working on anything) when they did the fall reshoots. After they did the reshoots in the fall they announced (around Christmas time) that they were cutting her character's scene. So, if they wanted to, they could have added her to the reshoots. I mean they could have had her fighting or doing something when they did the reshoots last year.

As the movie stand, it as good and they made the right decision to cut her. The OT had the right kind of suspense and action which would have lost if they crammed her in for no reason other than fan service. What they did with Kitty lifted the tension up for me and felt in the moment that anything could happen. Everything was riding on her keeping it together despite what was happening to her and going on around her. I could see why they said that was bad story telling to leave the scene.

danagirl42 05-24-2014 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DarthSkywalker (Post 28875055)
It over-complicates what is there for no reason, other then to add another mutant. Considering the caliber of actresses, I think keeping Ellen Page around was smart. Plus, streamlines the storyline. Less is more.

Or do you think they filmed all of those scenes, then cut them just because?

Darth, I said something similar in an above post. I don't get this cramming in acharacter because you like the actress. I found that I liked Blink a lot (never paid attention to her before) in this movie, but she served her purpose in a limited role and you did not need to expand it in the movie. However, I hope I see more of her because the actress had charisma and good screen presence.

SAUspartan 05-24-2014 01:06 PM

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It's not an either or and I stand by that. The movie would not have been any worse if her scenes were left it.

To say...The movie is great so they made the right decision is such a fallacy. The movie was great. But that doesn't mean it wouldn't have been if Rogue's scenes were left in.

Iceman 05-24-2014 01:14 PM

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Having too many mutants in the future wouldn't have mattered to me. We could exclude any one of the ones that were actually there apart from Xavier and it not hit the film hard aside from missing that character. What we got was perfectly fine but Rogue taking over from a Kitty who was out for the count due to the incredible strain would have upped the drama for me even if that's seen as an unnecessary over complication. Lots of cool things in films aren't necessary. And I'm not exactly film Rogue's biggest fan, just thought it might be a natural extension of how desperate things are getting that someone who's not used to using this power is now responsible for trying to keep it going (and allowing someone we expect to make it through plot protection (Kitty) to get struck down).

danagirl42 05-24-2014 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by SkyIsBlue (Post 28872489)
^Yep! I hope Singer knows how large the fanbase of Rogue is.

By the way, has anybody noticed the location of Anna Paquin's name during the credits? I think her name appeared within the first ten cast members.

That's pretty high for a "cameo". Same with Famke and Marsden.

I am sure that was in her contact. People don't think about that, but little things like that are fought about in contracts. Plus, she got cut down to a 3 second cameo, and for whatever excuses people want to put forth, the optics on that don't look good for an actress who was in the previous movies and is on a hit show. As an actor (since there is so much competition) you always want to give the impression that you are in demand, indispensable and people can't wait to work with you. That has also been my experience in the non-Hollywood world, too.

So with the cut scenes and being boxed out of the major marketing and promotion for a huge movie, that was the least they could do for her.

SterlingDee 05-24-2014 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Majik1387 (Post 28875087)
I don't see it as an over-complication. If anything happened to Kitty at any point before she did her job, they fail. Having a plan B is not just 'adding another mutant' it brings it full circle for the first movie honestly.
Rogue was originally supposed to be used as a tool for Magneto, here she would have been a tool to fix everything with the first mutant she ever had a connection with.
So much poetic justice could have been done, in the same amount of time, as what we got.

you're just creating an explanation because you wanted her in the movie. It's quite clear they wrote Kitty being replaced by Rogue just so they could use Anna Paquin. Writing a sequence just to use a particular actor is bad practice in the first place and the sequence clearly wasn't necessary since the main plot is not affected by the lack of Rogue. "Bringing everything full circle" would have been nice but it was not necessitated by the plot.

Super Film 05-24-2014 05:10 PM

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Would've been nice to put those in a spoiler tag.

EnDz0n3 05-24-2014 05:16 PM

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Fairly certain you'll be asked to remove that by the mods. Better remove it now.

DarthSkywalker 05-24-2014 05:27 PM

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I get people are fans of the character, I am a fan of the character, but how can any watch this film and think it was needed or would have made the film better. Why? Because it would have added Rogue and more Future timeline screentime? that is exactly how you start chipping away at the quality of a good film.

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Originally Posted by danagirl42 (Post 28877741)
Darth, I said something similar in an above post. I don't get this cramming in acharacter because you like the actress. I found that I liked Blink a lot (never paid attention to her before) in this movie, but she served her purpose in a limited role and you did not need to expand it in the movie. However, I hope I see more of her because the actress had charisma and good screen presence.

Yep. In most cases more is less. The character serves their purpose to the story, and we move on. Rogue didn't service the story here, that is why they removed the character.

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Originally Posted by SterlingDee (Post 28878739)
you're just creating an explanation because you wanted her in the movie. It's quite clear they wrote Kitty being replaced by Rogue just so they could use Anna Paquin. Writing a sequence just to use a particular actor is bad practice in the first place and the sequence clearly wasn't necessary since the main plot is not affected by the lack of Rogue. "Bringing everything full circle" would have been nice but it was not necessitated by the plot.

Exactly. Which is why the removed it. They watched the film, and realized how extraneous it all was. The rescue plus the "stepping" in. All unnecessary, potentially damaging to the quality of the story they were telling. So they removed it. That is the beauty and horror of the editing process. Sometimes you lose material you love because it doesn't work for the benefit of the film as a whole.

danoyse 05-24-2014 05:28 PM

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Reminder not to post bootleg images here, everyone.

Great Mind(s) 05-24-2014 05:37 PM

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I agree that it'd have upped the drama and would have given McKellan and Iceman more to do, they were basically non existent imo

EnDz0n3 05-24-2014 05:40 PM

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Funnily enough I thought it was Stewart's Xavier that did nothing. He was basically depending on people to protect him.

Thank god he had the face/off scene with the younger Xavier. That made up for his non-action.

DarthSkywalker 05-24-2014 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Great Mind(s) (Post 28879915)
I agree that it'd have upped the drama and would have given McKellan and Iceman more to do, they were basically non existent imo

Why did they need "more to do"? They had a clearly defined purpose, and served it well. I get people wanted more of the older cast, but the future was not where the drama was. They were sitting there depend on Logan and their past selves.

X-Gal123 05-24-2014 06:45 PM

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I'm of two minds on the Rogue issue. On the one hand I liked the movie a lot, I think if flowed very well and I think that having a rescue sequence with everything that was going on in the future probably would have been too much. Plus, it would seem kind of weird to have a contingent of people leave the temple more vulnerable. They are all depending on Kitty and Wolverine and those two are stuck there, unable to defend themselves while Wolverine is in the past, so sending potential defenders and protectors away might seem weird.

However, I would have really like to see Anna Paquin/Rogue. So I think that the action sequence could have been cut, but Professor and Magneto could have been like, things are bad, let's go get Rogue, walk back in like, hey we got Rogue, and then she's there without the sequence, but still there to help.

Though most of all I wish that Rogue's one scene (one and a half if the flashback to X2 counts) was more than it was. The other characters that just appeared for one scene and that we had previously met in other movies all had some dialogue, so I wish that they had reshot a tiny bit of Rogue's stuff at the end. Even if she was filming True Blood, I feel like she could have gotten one day off and even a day of shooting, since there was no action sequence, could have made her role, basically a cameo, more of a proper cameo. Because as its stands, if the average viewer recognizes Anna Paquin as Rogue, it might seem strange that they hired her for what she ended up doing and some people might wonder why they didn't just put an extra in the Rogue wig to save money.

Still I loved the movie and I hope to see Anna Paquin as Rogue again. If Rogue flies I think Anna would be up for the role, so let's just have Apocalypse grab her from the future, give her flight and make her one of his horsemen.

danagirl42 05-24-2014 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DarthSkywalker (Post 28879997)
Why did they need "more to do"? They had a clearly defined purpose, and served it well. I get people wanted more of the older cast, but the future was not where the drama was. They were sitting there depend on Logan and their past selves.

That is what I loved about the movie. Everyone was backed in to a corner fighting for their lives with one last chance, and then you take this detour/side trip for Rogue? That is bad, messy story-telling that would have been lambasted by the critics and others. The character of Rogue has already been bashed from here to Timbuktu. A better story would have been to have her already there and helping to fight if you wanted to include her. I don't know why they did not do that with the fall reshoots. But, there were so many moving parts in this movie and you need to keep it as tight as possible, which the writers and directors were saying about why the scenes were deleted.

I guarantee there were other scenes though out the movie that were deleted to make the movie as good and seamless as it was. I am sure they were fine, but did not work in the final product.

flavio_lebeau 05-24-2014 08:22 PM

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Oh my GOD it just clicked to me where exactly Rogue was gonna fit into the story. :doh:

I'm quite shocked because I didn't notice it while watching the movie AT ALL.

Rike 05-24-2014 08:28 PM

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Imagine that last scene, with Rogue holding Logan instead of Kitty. Damn. :csad:

Thank God at least we have Ellen Page playing Kitty. :o

xtianrobi 05-24-2014 08:31 PM

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Ellen is such a great actress! You can feel the pain while watching her.

Specter313 05-24-2014 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by flavio_lebeau (Post 28881263)
Oh my GOD it just clicked to me where exactly Rogue was gonna fit into the story. :doh:

I'm quite shocked because I didn't notice it while watching the movie AT ALL.

And that shows how tacked on her story would have been if it was still included. The fact that they were able to cut it out so easily shows how extraneous it would have been. It would have been a disservice all around to keep her there and make her feel forced.

Rike 05-24-2014 08:40 PM

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They did reshoots. That's why they were able to cut it.

SAUspartan 05-24-2014 08:53 PM

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Exactly. I don't get how some people can form the opinion that if the scene was included it would have turned it from a great movie to a bad movie. lol.

I SEE SPIDEY 05-24-2014 09:02 PM

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Would keeping the scene have made the movie better?

flavio_lebeau 05-24-2014 09:03 PM

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I don't really think Rogue was needed in the story at all. It actually added to the tension
Spoiler!!! Click to Read!:
by having Kitty be injured.


And I'm the biggest fan of both Rogue and Anna. But really, she was not needed here. I'd much rather have her with Storm, Warpath, Bishop and Blink on the outside, if they were to include her. She could borrow everyone's powers and combine them to fight Sentinels, but we know Anna didn't have time for that.

But if her arc was to be rescued and then put her hands on Wolverine while acting scared...I don't really need to see Rogue like that yet again. Basically I wanted to have Rogue as a money shot character for once. Enough of drama and acting scared. That's why i'm not sad she was left out.

Rike 05-24-2014 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by I SEE SPIDEY (Post 28881517)
Would keeping the scene have made the movie better?

For me, yes.

:p

SAUspartan 05-24-2014 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Rike (Post 28881533)
For me, yes.

:p


Same here.

Tho my point is...right now nobody can make an educated thought either way cause we have not seen it.

What get's me is people's fallacy's that the movie was good so they obviously made the correct decision to cut? How is that logic.

Simon Kimberg has been quoted saying it's as good of scene as anything in the movie. So thats enough evidence for me to know it would not have been worse with it in the movie.

The decision seemed to be made for length and need reasons. The movie would work fine without it and therefore they made the decision to cut it. Nothing to do with quality.

Spider-Fan 05-24-2014 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Majik1387 (Post 28875087)
I don't see it as an over-complication. If anything happened to Kitty at any point before she did her job, they fail. Having a plan B is not just 'adding another mutant' it brings it full circle for the first movie honestly.
Rogue was originally supposed to be used as a tool for Magneto, here she would have been a tool to fix everything with the first mutant she ever had a connection with.
So much poetic justice could have been done, in the same amount of time, as what we got.

Spoiler!!! Click to Read!:
Not having a plan b adds more drama. It gives Kitty more reason to continue working even though she was bleeding and growing weaker. It also showed how fragile their success in the plan was. If they could just sub her out, tension is lost.

Rogue wasn't necessary to the future storyline. Going out of their way to include her would have only made for mucking up the narrative. This was a tight movie, and it flows perfectly. We didn't need a detour that actually lessens the tension.

I SEE SPIDEY 05-24-2014 09:22 PM

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Spoiler!!! Click to Read!:
Quote:

Originally Posted by Spider-Fan (Post 28881637)
Not having a plan b adds more drama. It gives Kitty more reason to continue working even though she was bleeding and growing weaker. It also showed how fragile their success in the plan was. If they could just sub her out, tension is lost.

Rogue wasn't necessary to the future storyline. Going out of their way to include her would have only made for mucking up the narrative. This was a tight movie, and it flows perfectly. We didn't need a detour that actually lessens the tension.

I don't feel strongly about the issue one way or the other but yeah I like the point you make. I don't think I would have minded her scenes being in there but I don't know I lean towards them not being needed.

X-Gal123 05-24-2014 09:34 PM

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Not having a plan b adds more drama. It gives Kitty more reason to continue working even though she was bleeding and growing weaker. It also showed how fragile their success in the plan was. If they could just sub her out, tension is lost.

Rogue wasn't necessary to the future storyline. Going out of their way to include her would have only made for mucking up the narrative. This was a tight movie, and it flows perfectly. We didn't need a detour that actually lessens the tension.

To play devil's advocate, it might have created more tension if Rogue was there. From Ms. Marvel and the comic books we know that if Rogue holds onto someone long enough she can keep their powers permanently. But in the movie they might not know that so there could be a tension of Rogue having to draw from Kitty's powers enough to keep Logan in the past, but not enough to cause Kitty's death so that Rogue could keep drawing her powers and keep the connection. There could also be problems of Rogue running out of Kitty's powers and Logan starting to return to the present until Rogue gets a recharge of power. Alternatively, if Rogue sucked all of the power out of Kitty so that she would be guaranteed to have the ability to keep Logan in the past, it could create either tension or reemphasize how dire everything is. At that point you would have a teammate killing/sacrificing another teammate to succeed in the mission which would be very dramatic.

I do think, not having seen an extended cut with the Rogue scenes included, that the right call was made, but I don't think having Rogue there would have eliminated the tension. I think it would have changed the type of tension but I think regardless of whether Rogue is there or not
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having Kitty there, injured and probably dying, will create all sorts of tension

Bruce Malone 05-24-2014 10:37 PM

Re: Girl gone ROGUE Thread (ANNA PAQUIN's BACK..FALSE ALARM SHE'S BEEN CUT) - Pa
 
I kept waiting for her to pop up and yeah that was probably literally the definition of a blink and you miss it cameo.

I think if you had sneezed at that moment, you would have never known she was in the movie?


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