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Thread Manager 03-11-2012 07:48 AM

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BigThor 03-11-2012 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Incredible Hans (Post 22674893)
Hey, not letting get you disqualified is crucial to win, right?:cwink:

And Wonder Man lost against Champion in a fair match although Wonder Man is stronger than Ben.

Yeah but those were circumstances that neither character could do anything about though.

Anti Goku 03-11-2012 12:03 PM

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True

JeetKuneDo 03-11-2012 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Doc Sampson
While I agree with the Hulk needing to be fleshed out, I completely disagree with your assessment of Banner. IMO, the films haven't worked better precisely because the audience hasn't cared about Banner enough.

The one thing the TV show got right was the depiction of Banner, particularly in the Pilot,

Except that the TV show wasn't that popular either. Didn't it only appear in the top 25 once? (And this was back in the late 70s/early 80s when it was easier to make the top 25)

I don't think Banner is an appealing character to the general audience. Every incarnation has been about him up to this point. We have zero Hulk versions which are about the Hulk so far. I've heard people claim that "the general audience doesn't care about the Hulk"....how could they know that? It hasn't been tried yet.

craigdbfan 03-11-2012 06:09 PM

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I know a Planet Hulk movie has the potential to be great. The budget would be immense and it'd be a huge risky undertaking.

I think it would definitely pay off but the chances are slim. I'd love for it to happen.

Smashlilman 03-11-2012 06:56 PM

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Planet Hulk would have to be the 3 third film of the potential new batch of Hulk movies. It could also set the grounds for a non avengers crossover movie that loosely base off of World War Hulk. By the time thrid Hulk film of the new batch of Potential Hulk films get released there might be enough characters in the MCU to support a story like that.

None of this is likely to happens though. Unless they plan on doing it a head of time.

Obi-Ron 03-11-2012 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by JeetKuneDo (Post 22678093)
Except that the TV show wasn't that popular either.

Baloney, I grew up in the 70's and it was a HUGE hit.

BigThor 03-11-2012 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by craigdbfan (Post 22678105)
I know a Planet Hulk movie has the potential to be great. The budget would be immense and it'd be a huge risky undertaking.

I think it would definitely pay off but the chances are slim. I'd love for it to happen.

I'd love to see a Planet Hulk film, I've actually been saying that for quite some time now.

Spider-Vader 03-11-2012 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by JeetKuneDo (Post 22678093)

I don't think Banner is an appealing character to the general audience. Every incarnation has been about him up to this point. We have zero Hulk versions which are about the Hulk so far. I've heard people claim that "the general audience doesn't care about the Hulk"....how could they know that? It hasn't been tried yet.

True. The general audience seems to really like Hulk, or else he wouldn't be one of Marvel's most iconic heroes. I think we should get a REAL Hulk movie where Banner is a side character. It'd be a nice change of pace.

terry78 03-11-2012 09:24 PM

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It's budget concerns for most studios. Hulk onscreen for any amount of time is millions of dollars apparently.

Spider-Vader 03-11-2012 09:44 PM

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I figured. But I can dream.

Gamma Burst 03-11-2012 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Spider-Vader (Post 22679159)
True. The general audience seems to really like Hulk, or else he wouldn't be one of Marvel's most iconic heroes. I think we should get a REAL Hulk movie where Banner is a side character. It'd be a nice change of pace.

I couldn't agree more. :up:

Anti Goku 03-11-2012 11:01 PM

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Well damn the budget on The incredible hulk was like 200 million or more and there wasn't that much hulk where did all of it go? They can afford more hulk they just haven't yet

dcHulk 03-12-2012 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Anti Goku (Post 22680017)
Well damn the budget on The incredible hulk was like 200 million or more and there wasn't that much hulk where did all of it go? They can afford more hulk they just haven't yet

I don't believe that it was 200 million, closer to 130-150 :cwink:

JeetKuneDo 03-12-2012 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Obi-Ron (Post 22678927)
Baloney, I grew up in the 70's and it was a HUGE hit.

Was it? I only saw it appear in the top 25 one time during its run. The "huge hits" were shows that were in the top 10 all the time...like Three's Company (which was a #1 show).

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Originally Posted by terry78 (Post 22679191)
It's budget concerns for most studios. Hulk onscreen for any amount of time is millions of dollars apparently.

That makes me think a real Hulk movie won't happen until CGI characters are made more affordable...which should occur eventually.

Smashlilman 03-12-2012 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Spider-Vader (Post 22679159)
True. The general audience seems to really like Hulk, or else he wouldn't be one of Marvel's most iconic heroes. I think we should get a REAL Hulk movie where Banner is a side character. It'd be a nice change of pace.

Banner shouldn't be a side character. Banner and Hulk need to be costars. They both need equal screen time. So far Hulk movies are about Banner and the Hulk only comes out when the action starts and then goes away when when the story needs to continue. I believe that banner should have his time but when the Hulk comes out she should stay out for a while and interact with people and his environment. The problem is that most people don't understand the Hulk and aren't capable of writing for him. Most people will just reference the old 70's Hulk series for inspiration.

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Originally Posted by Anti Goku (Post 22680017)
Well damn the budget on The incredible hulk was like 200 million or more and there wasn't that much hulk where did all of it go? They can afford more hulk they just haven't yet

Hey at least they did more with there budget regarding the special effects than Superman Returns did. There budge vanished into nothingness. The only think i can think of is that most of ther budget was blown making that Kryptonite continent. :funny:

BigThor 03-12-2012 02:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Smashlilman (Post 22680593)
Hey at least they did more with there budget regarding the special effects than Superman Returns did. There budge vanished into nothingness. The only think i can think of is that most of ther budget was blown making that Kryptonite continent. :funny:

Don't forget about the airplane rescue, I'm sure that scene was pretty expensive as well.

The Morningstar 03-12-2012 02:51 AM

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Superman Returns' budget included all the stop/starts before it. The actual movie itself probably only cost about 150 million.

Doc Samson 03-12-2012 08:07 AM

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Except that the TV show wasn't that popular either. Didn't it only appear in the top 25 once? (And this was back in the late 70s/early 80s when it was easier to make the top 25)

I don't think Banner is an appealing character to the general audience. Every incarnation has been about him up to this point. We have zero Hulk versions which are about the Hulk so far. I've heard people claim that "the general audience doesn't care about the Hulk"....how could they know that? It hasn't been tried yet.

The TV show was more successful then a rating, it became a part of pop culture for anyone who lived through it.

Further, Banner hasn't connected with the audience precisely because of what I suggested numerous times in here. They've portrayed him much more stale and one note than need be. Bixby showed charisma, presence, intelligence and angst all at the same time. The films tried to hammer home the repressed emotions to the point of the character being devoid of any real personality.

Bixby's Banner still was a human being, he would still flirt, still crack jokes and interact with people, its what made him a real, relatable person you sympathized with because you could feel how much better his life would be with a cure, and you knew ultimately he wouldn't get it and be forced to leave town, yet again.

These films have actually cheapened the character enough already by having a different actor each time. Add to that the boring portrayals and yeah, I wouldn't care either, what was there to care about? But to separate the two fundamentally, at least IMO, makes the Hulk just another monster, and one that's considerably less interesting...

Whiskey Tango 03-12-2012 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Doc Samson (Post 22681661)
The TV show was more successful then a rating, it became a part of pop culture for anyone who lived through it.

I spent many a Friday night at my grandparents house watching the Incredible Hulk followed by the Dukes of Hazzard and then Dallas. Good times.

Gamma Ra 03-12-2012 09:30 AM

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The idea of getting a Hulk film made correctly from my view is to first make the character of Banner interesting. I don't know where some people are getting their info from, but the Incredible Hulk TV show was successful in it's time and ran for about 5 seasons due to the fact that Bill Bixby's Banner was INTERESTING. He was well fleshed out and very genuine. I don't say that he has said all their is to say about the Banner character, but he has done the best job to date. Banner can't be this moping milksop as that gets tired fast. Bixby's Banner had his issues and aim, but tended to act noble when the situations needed a level head.

Writers and directors of the films and TV Hulk on the other hand have entirely missed the boat on him. I feel that they think that Hulk fans are simple and get a kick out of just seeing some green monster smash something. WRONG!!! I get a kick out of Hulk's personality and why he smashes what he decides to smash. Hulk is NOT some primal instinctive smashing machine...not the Hulk I enjoy. Hulk has a unique view on life, and regardless of what some of you post and have been stating, he's not stupid. Even the Savage Hulk, who is child-like could learn, so unless you consider being ignorant or children stupid, I think you should reassess your thinking. This is where it gets complex. Depending on which personality Hulk manifests, they all have different levels of reasoning, but some incarnations have been shown to access Banner's intelligence...but they just don't seem to care to.

Point being Hulk needs to be able to voice his mind, though he doesn't care to speak much...but that's by choice. Hulk is more of the action speaks louder than words type.

Doc Samson 03-12-2012 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Whiskey Tango (Post 22681723)
I spent many a Friday night at my grandparents house watching the Incredible Hulk followed by the Dukes of Hazzard and then Dallas. Good times.

Absolutely! Bixby actually scared the hell out of me way more than he was supposed to, but still to this day that show resonants with people primarily because of him, not Lou in terrible wigs & green slippers jogging down the street.

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Point being Hulk needs to be able to voice his mind, though he doesn't care to speak much...but that's by choice. Hulk is more of the action speaks louder than words type.

Agreed, and this is also why I hope if he ever gets another solo film they finally use a different incarnation. That could be the plot in and of itself, Banner does another experiment and unleashes another Hulk, whether its the Gray Hulk, Professor, whoever, it would allow for something different, and in turn, allow another side of the Hulk most people in the general public don't even know exist.

JeetKuneDo 03-12-2012 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Doc Samson (Post 22681661)
The TV show was more successful then a rating, it became a part of pop culture for anyone who lived through it.

Agree with that. Many elements of the TV did make it into pop culture. (Just like the box office underperforming movies) The general public scratched their heads when the Hulk was "flying" in Ang Lee's movie (I actually heard people put it that way). There are also many people who think it's just not possible to have the Hulk speak more than a couple of words in his own movie despite other successful monstrous characters who speak. I also think the general public now believes the Hulk is only a minor character in the story and that Banner is what they will have to sit through for 95% of the time. ("Yay! Can we go see that movie about the boring scientist guy?")

I'm pretty sure I'll hate that TV show forever for what it did to the Hulk character. Spider-man got so lucky...his show (made by the same "creative team") failed so badly it didn't air long enough to make Spidey a mute (which he also was in that TV show...what the hell was going on with those TV people?). :cwink:
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Further, Banner hasn't connected with the audience precisely because of what I suggested numerous times in here. They've portrayed him much more stale and one note than need be. Bixby showed charisma, presence, intelligence and angst all at the same time. The films tried to hammer home the repressed emotions to the point of the character being devoid of any real personality.

Bixby's Banner still was a human being, he would still flirt, still crack jokes and interact with people, its what made him a real, relatable person you sympathized with because you could feel how much better his life would be with a cure, and you knew ultimately he wouldn't get it and be forced to leave town, yet again.

These films have actually cheapened the character enough already by having a different actor each time. Add to that the boring portrayals and yeah, I wouldn't care either, what was there to care about? But to separate the two fundamentally, at least IMO, makes the Hulk just another monster, and one that's considerably less interesting...
Bixby did have more charisma than those who've played Banner in the movies so far...I agree with that. But then again....Bixby seems less like the comic Banner than the others to me. Odd that the movies are more faithful to Banner than they are to the Hulk. The TV show ignored everything.

Hard to imagine the Hulk being less interesting frankly. I also can't really accept something which has not been tried. When the Hulk is a real character and the public still yawns, then I'll say the public is not interested in him.

marcvader 03-12-2012 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Whiskey Tango (Post 22681723)
I spent many a Friday night at my grandparents house watching the Incredible Hulk followed by the Dukes of Hazzard and then Dallas. Good times.

Damn you're taking me back except I didn't care for Dallas.:yay:


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