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Thread Manager 09-04-2012 03:06 PM

News & Discussion Thread - Part 1
 
This is a continuation thread, the old thread is Here

Crockett 09-04-2012 03:06 PM

News & Discussion Thread
 
It may be too early since the movie is still in pre-production but I'd figure just open a thread so when a upcoming news pop we could post it here and also to discuss about the movie. Well since it's dry on the news I'd figure I could start a discussion.

Now for me it's quite odd that I should say that I'm looking forward to a sequel to Origins considering that it was disappointed but the news alone of Aronofsky coming onboard to direct was enough for me to get quite frankly, stoked. He's one of the greatest modern director and the news of Chris McQuarrie is doing script I'm beginning to get optimistic, not to mention it also won't connect to Origins. Now it's still Fox behind it but hopefully they learned that they shouldn't interfere that much and let Aronofsky do his thing and we will end up getting a fantastic film.

runningman3000 09-04-2012 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Alexei Belyakov (Post 24265691)
Maybe they swapped clothes after Origins. Guys do that sometimes.

X-Men Origins ---> The Last Stand, Wolverine has had that dirty tank top :woot:

Alexei Belyakov 09-04-2012 03:44 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RomyFan (Post 111111111)
Doesn't he look a little too neat in those pics? Reminds me of Neo in Matrix, or something.

My thoughts exactly. Too neat for Wolverine.

runningman3000 09-04-2012 04:48 PM

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X-Men - costume designers

Louise Mingenbach (X-Men, X-2, X-Men Origins, Battleship)

Judianna Makovsky (X-men The Last Stand, Hunger Games, Last Airbender)

Sammy Sheldon (X-Men: First Class, Kick-Ass, V for Vendetta)

Isis Mussenden (The Wolverine, Narnia Trilogy, Drag me to hell)

lastairbender 09-04-2012 07:04 PM

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thats too much black there.. i just want to see viper...hope its true to comics. Dark green uniform and hair (black with greenish shines, too much green will look ridiculous...)..

Superhero 101 09-05-2012 12:17 AM

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His hair looks okay I prefer the X2 look they should atleast try to bring back the famous jacket he's worn in most of his films

Alexei Belyakov 09-05-2012 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Superhero 101 (Post 24269997)
His hair looks okay I prefer the X2 look they should atleast try to bring back the famous jacket he's worn in most of his films

His X2 hair was great, in fact, I feel Wolverine as a whole (hair, attitude, wardrobe, characterization) was perfect in X2.

http://i46.tinypic.com/2d92xk6.jpg

He WAS the character from the Claremont/Miller miniseries.

Mako 09-05-2012 12:59 AM

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I prefer his hair from X-Men but I'm digging his hair in this so far.

narrows101 09-05-2012 05:16 AM

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Sounds like they may be on their way back to Tokyo - Hugh tweets a great photo with Mangold.

https://twitter.com/RealHughJackman/...409728/photo/1




psylockolussus 09-05-2012 06:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Superhero 101 (Post 24269997)
His hair looks okay I prefer the X2 look they should atleast try to bring back the famous jacket he's worn in most of his films

Yup! They need to bring back his signature jacket w/ the yellow stripes!

Great Mind(s) 09-05-2012 07:33 AM

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No I hate that jacket it's in EVERY film! Give him one like in the comics with the fuzzy insides...

marvelrobbins 09-05-2012 07:54 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Alexei Belyakov (Post 24270065)
His X2 hair was great, in fact, I feel Wolverine as a whole (hair, attitude, wardrobe, characterization) was perfect in X2.

http://i46.tinypic.com/2d92xk6.jpg

He WAS the character from the Claremont/Miller miniseries.

Not surprsing the best X-Men film-X2 had best look and portrayal of
wolverine.It was closest we got to beresker fury on screen.

I am more Intrested to see how wolverine Is portrazed rather than how eactly they do his hair.They do good portayl of wolverine and many will
forget crisim of the hair.

narrows101 09-05-2012 12:09 PM

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Mangold tweets:

Quote:

Rob Taylor ‏@DJTHiS
@mang0ld where does your Wolverine fit into the existing Fox X-Men time line? #NerdsNeedAnswers

James Mangold ‏@mang0ld

@DJTHiS I can't answer you now nor could I answer before, but after everything is over I can answer, and that, in itself may be an answer.

Rob Taylor ‏@DJTHiS
@mang0ld *tilts head in confusion* Thanks... I think?

James Mangold ‏@mang0ld

@DJTHiS its all in there, pal.



marvelrobbins 09-05-2012 12:42 PM

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Very Intresting response.

BoredGuy 09-05-2012 12:45 PM

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" Can't answer now, nor could I before, but after everything is over..."

Sooooo... multiple time periods, flashbacks...is it possible the meat of the story could take place currently, after X3?? hmm

Alexei Belyakov 09-05-2012 12:53 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BoredGuy (Post 24271935)
" Can't answer now, nor could I before, but after everything is over..."

Sooooo... multiple time periods, flashbacks...is it possible the meat of the story could take place currently, after X3?? hmm

I'm not happy with the notion of flashbacks (even though I'm 99% sure we're getting them).

The screenplay Aronofsky agreed to do had no flashbacks & was completely linear, like the book. It also had no other mutants in it besides Wolverine & the word "mutant" was never once mentioned.

Starting to think Mangold mangled it.

danoyse 09-05-2012 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Alexei Belyakov (Post 24271995)
Starting to think Mangold mangled it.

Since we haven't seen a single (official) frame of the film yet, it's a little early to jump to that conclusion.

Alexei Belyakov 09-05-2012 03:29 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by danoyse (Post 24272493)
Since we haven't seen a single (official) frame of the film yet, it's a little early to jump to that conclusion.

My earlier post explains my concerns:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alexei Belyakov (Post 55555555)
The screenplay Aronofsky agreed to do had no flashbacks & was completely linear, like the book. It also had no other mutants in it besides Wolverine & the word "mutant" was never once mentioned.

Based on the set construction and concept art/photos we saw last month, the movie's got some WWII flashbacks that include another mutant. Mangold's vague Twitter comments further corroborate various timelines.

danoyse 09-05-2012 03:42 PM

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And, so? Aronofsky has been gone from this project for well over a year now. You're surprised that it's not the same?

Alexei Belyakov 09-05-2012 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by danoyse (Post 24272827)
And, so? Aronofsky has been gone from this project for well over a year now. You're surprised that it's not the same?

The draft under Aronofsky was deemed brilliant by pretty much every one who came across it (Schwentke, Slade, Finke, etc).

There was really no reason for Mangold (or anyone) to tamper with it.

When Spielberg made A.I. he followed Kubrick's final draft like a bible. He made the film Stanley Kubrick would have made - because why mess with a master's vision?

spideyboy_1111 09-05-2012 07:15 PM

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kinda hope this film ends, where X-men begins. i know the film is ignoring aspects at least of XO, but it'd make sense for him to want to leave the country, and visit a land he might of enjoyed during WWII. when that doesn't work out.. he travels back "home".

X-Maniac 09-05-2012 07:23 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by spideyboy_1111 (Post 24274007)
kinda hope this film ends, where X-men begins. i know the film is ignoring aspects at least of XO, but it'd make sense for him to want to leave the country, and visit a land he might of enjoyed during WWII. when that doesn't work out.. he travels back "home".

I think that's one interpretation of what Mangold tweeted. That 'after everything is over' it fits into the X-Men timeline by lining up with the start of X1.

JP 09-05-2012 07:34 PM

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I don't really understand the concern with where this film takes place or how it lines up... or what it is/isn't ignoring.

It's a story about Wolverine in Japan... why would there be references to any of the other films?

I went to Orlando last summer for a week. But while I was there I didn't make reference to every vacation I've ever been on. :huh:

marvelrobbins 09-05-2012 07:42 PM

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There have been reports that 75 percent of script remains from original draft.Don't forget most of characters are those you would expect.

They most likely added the WWII sequenze to open the film and show audence Wolverine's first time In Japan.

My prediction for end of film are
1:Mariko Is poisoned by Viper and Wolverine relcuently agrees to put her out of misery(adopting the tragic story from comics and igve film an emontional climax)
2:After Mariko Is buried he rebuffs Yuriko(hopefully the Logan/Mariko/Yuriko triangle Is
good)
3:Wolverine leaves Japan(which can be said he Is returning to Canada where he will
encounter Rogue In X-Men)

I really think The Wolverine could be 2013 sleeper Comic Book film hit.Many here on this message board are dismissing this film.

My suspecion for this film Is they have turned Viper Into some kind of mutant and we will see her In world War II opening sequenze.Personally I think It would be better If they keep wolverine as only mutant so the only mutant ability Is Wolverine's powers.

spideyboy_1111 09-05-2012 07:49 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JP (Post 24274181)
I don't really understand the concern with where this film takes place or how it lines up... or what it is/isn't ignoring.

It's a story about Wolverine in Japan... why would there be references to any of the other films?

I went to Orlando last summer for a week. But while I was there I didn't make reference to every vacation I've ever been on. :huh:

it's just throwing fans a bone. we tend to like cameo's and references that interlock everything. Easter Egg's and Cameo's are pretty much a huge part of what makes the SHH go around... the other major half is probably speculation.

spideyboy_1111 09-05-2012 07:51 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by marvelrobbins (Post 24274235)
There have been reports that 75 percent of script remains from original draft.Don't forget most of characters are those you would expect.

They most likely added the WWII sequenze to open the film and show audence Wolverine's first time In Japan.

My prediction for end of film are
1:Mariko Is poisoned by Viper and Wolverine relcuently agrees to put her out of misery(adopting the tragic story from comics and igve film an emontional climax)
2:After Mariko Is buried he rebuffs Yuriko(hopefully the Logan/Mariko/Yuriko triangle Is
good)
3:Wolverine leaves Japan(which can be said he Is returning to Canada where he will
encounter Rogue In X-Men)

I really think The Wolverine could be 2013 sleeper Comic Book film hit.Many here on this message board are dismissing this film.

My suspecion for this film Is they have turned Viper Into some kind of mutant and we will see her In world War II opening sequenze.Personally I think It would be better If they keep wolverine as only mutant so the only mutant ability Is Wolverine's powers.

well...... what about SS? he's a mutant too isnt he?

JP 09-05-2012 07:52 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by spideyboy_1111 (Post 24274301)
it's just throwing fans a bone. we tend to like cameo's and references that interlock everything. Easter Egg's and Cameo's are pretty much a huge part of what makes the SHH go around... the other major half is probably speculation.

Ah, ok. That I can accept. Haha. :p

Quote:

well...... what about SS? he's a mutant too isnt he?
As some have mentioned, in the original script Logan was the only mutant. I think that may have changed, but I hope not.

spideyboy_1111 09-05-2012 07:54 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JP (Post 24274329)
Ah, ok. That I can accept. Haha. :p



As some have mentioned, in the original script Logan was the only mutant. I think that may have changed, but I hope not.

well... SS has got to have something to be able to go toe to toe with him. I assume the Ebony blade may come into play...

JP 09-05-2012 08:01 PM

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Well, I think it just comes down to him being a skilled samurai/swordsman.

Miriko's father wasn't a mutant, and still kicked Logan's ass with a wooden sword!

spideyboy_1111 09-05-2012 08:23 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JP (Post 24274385)
Well, I think it just comes down to him being a skilled samurai/swordsman.

Miriko's father wasn't a mutant, and still kicked Logan's ass with a wooden sword!

true. But, I assume by movie's end, he'd be very well trained.. that coupled with claws makes me think SS has got to have something

JP 09-06-2012 12:06 AM

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I suppose. But when they fought in the comics, wasn't it just them slicing and dicing each other? No real abilities coming into play outside of Logan's ability to heal... and SS inability to cut through adamantium.

marvelrobbins 09-06-2012 12:16 AM

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Yep.Most of time you couldn't tell the Silver Samauri was a mutant.You can defently
do the SS as just man with electified armor and swords and do justice to him.

Alexei Belyakov 09-06-2012 01:03 AM

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There's absolutely no need for Silver Sam to be a mutant.

Roose Bolton 09-06-2012 05:03 AM

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Other than to remain respectful of the source material, but ya know. Whatevs right?

psylockolussus 09-06-2012 05:49 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by marvelrobbins (Post 24274235)
I really think The Wolverine could be 2013 sleeper Comic Book film hit.Many here on this message board are dismissing this film.

A lot of people here still remember how about bad XOW was. But once they saw the film and it turned out to be a good movie, they would eventually appreciate the movie. Look at X-Men: First Class. A lot of people didn't think it would turn out as a good movie.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alexei Belyakov (Post 24276107)
There's absolutely no need for Silver Sam to be a mutant.

But he is a mutant in the comics, so he should be a mutant in the movie too.

Cagefighterkip 09-06-2012 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Oberon sexton (Post 24276501)
Other than to remain respectful of the source material, but ya know. Whatevs right?

That's what I thought, lol

marvelrobbins 09-06-2012 08:54 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by psylockolussus (Post 24276603)
A lot of people here still remember how about bad XOW was. But once they saw the film and it turned out to be a good movie, they would eventually appreciate the movie. Look at X-Men: First Class. A lot of people didn't think it would turn out as a good movie.



But he is a mutant in the comics, so he should be a mutant in the movie too.

But too many think Man of steel will be greatest film ever and that Thor will be do Iron Man level business.

Chris Nolan's Involvement Is very limited with Man of steel even he admitted It.David Goyer Is princibal writer,and hear Nolan didn't work on script.Watchman was considered a disappointment and sucker punch outright bombed.Plus I absoletly hated the teaser.Bearded Clark Kent doing manual labor? And with Thor the fact they are bringing back one of worst elements of first film(the so unnecsary character of Darcy) plus one of writers was writer of Fantastic Four:Rise of the Silver Surfer(If you are going to bash
SImon Kinberg for being one of writers of Days of future Past you have to bash him) and Joss Whedon did Thor and Loki better In the Avengers than
the solo film did(The confornaiton between Thor and Loki Is so much better In Avengers than solo film)

With James Mangold Fox hired real director.Marvel hired a TV director for Thor(sorry but not all TV directors are Joss Whedon) and Zach snyder Is such a Dumb A(You know what I mean) that he still was trying to deny Zod Is villain.

Iron Man III without question will be top grossing comic book film of 2013 but I can't say I am overly excited for It.Using the Extremies storyline at least partly.Making War machine look like Iron Patroit.Possibly removing all Chinese elements of The Mandarian and unknown If he will have rings of power.

Great Mind(s) 09-06-2012 09:39 AM

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Have people read the Wolverine script everyone is talking about? Is it available online??

danoyse 09-06-2012 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Great Mind(s) (Post 24277091)
Have people read the Wolverine script everyone is talking about? Is it available online??

Can't post links to that here if it is.

spideyboy_1111 09-06-2012 01:09 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by marvelrobbins (Post 24276929)
But too many think Man of steel will be greatest film ever and that Thor will be do Iron Man level business.

Chris Nolan's Involvement Is very limited with Man of steel even he admitted It.David Goyer Is princibal writer,and hear Nolan didn't work on script.Watchman was considered a disappointment and sucker punch outright bombed.Plus I absoletly hated the teaser.Bearded Clark Kent doing manual labor? And with Thor the fact they are bringing back one of worst elements of first film(the so unnecsary character of Darcy) plus one of writers was writer of Fantastic Four:Rise of the Silver Surfer(If you are going to bash
SImon Kinberg for being one of writers of Days of future Past you have to bash him) and Joss Whedon did Thor and Loki better In the Avengers than
the solo film did(The confornaiton between Thor and Loki Is so much better In Avengers than solo film)

With James Mangold Fox hired real director.Marvel hired a TV director for Thor(sorry but not all TV directors are Joss Whedon) and Zach snyder Is such a Dumb A(You know what I mean) that he still was trying to deny Zod Is villain.

Iron Man III without question will be top grossing comic book film of 2013 but I can't say I am overly excited for It.Using the Extremies storyline at least partly.Making War machine look like Iron Patroit.Possibly removing all Chinese elements of The Mandarian and unknown If he will have rings of power.

hey now, i love darcy. maybe she will turn out to be Hela haha :D

marvelrobbins 09-06-2012 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Great Mind(s) (Post 24277091)
Have people read the Wolverine script everyone is talking about? Is it available online??

It hasn't leaked.But,everyone has been prasing It.Including directors who ultimetly were passed over for the job.

Great Mind(s) 09-06-2012 02:25 PM

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Let's hope it's the real deal and not just a courtesy praise.

Alexei Belyakov 09-06-2012 02:44 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Oberon sexton (Post 24276501)
Other than to remain respectful of the source material, but ya know. Whatevs right?

The screenplay transcends the source material. It makes Wolverine's nature a mystery to all the other players, something that only works because he's the only non-human in the show.

The word "mutant" is never even mentioned in it.

Alexei Belyakov 09-06-2012 02:47 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Great Mind(s) (Post 24277091)
Have people read the Wolverine script everyone is talking about? Is it available online??

I read a script review that pretty much covered the entire film.

It was Aronofsky's last revised draft.

All I can say is brilliant from start to finish.

marvelrobbins 09-06-2012 03:59 PM

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I really hope It hasn't changed much from the leaked script details.It seemed pretty
good.My belief Is character of Zen who convinced wolverine to go to Japan was merged
Into Yashida(who may be Shingen's father)

was It ever said Aronofsky worked on script? If It was we can safely confirm that
god awful Batman Year One script was Frank Miller's fault.

Roose Bolton 09-06-2012 05:19 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Alexei Belyakov (Post 24278499)
The screenplay transcends the source material. It makes Wolverine's nature a mystery to all the other players, something that only works because he's the only non-human in the show.

The word "mutant" is never even mentioned in it.

Do you have a link to this review ?

Alexei Belyakov 09-06-2012 05:30 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Oberon sexton (Post 24279399)
Do you have a link to this review ?

I don't think the mods would approve.

runningman3000 09-06-2012 05:51 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by marvelrobbins (Post 24278937)
I really hope It hasn't changed much from the leaked script details.It seemed pretty
good.My belief Is character of Zen who convinced wolverine to go to Japan was merged
Into Yashida(who may be Shingen's father)

was It ever said Aronofsky worked on script? If It was we can safely confirm that
god awful Batman Year One script was Frank Miller's fault.

Aronofsky talks about working with Chris McQuarrie on the Script: http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/110836

Quote:

"Chris McQuarrie wrote a great screenplay. We're trying to get it into a slightly better place but he's working on it, and I think it'll be easy to fix."
James Mangold talks about working with Mark Bomback on the script rewrites: http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplayli..._eastwoods_the

Quote:

“Mark Bomback and myself have done a tremendous amount of writing on the movie,” he revealed. “There’s not a page that hasn’t been worked and reworked and rethought and story-boarded. So it just is what it is; I mean, kind of the part of connecting to the movie and developing the scenes and finding the locations and devising the action is all about not only making it good, but also in the process making it your own.”

JP 09-06-2012 05:55 PM

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That quote from Mangold tho... http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...8/8be5ead6.gif


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