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Ita-KalEl 05-24-2009 08:53 PM

Dear WB, your supposed 2009 blockbusters continue to fail...
 
Are you still sure that there's not a place for Superman?

Watchmen
Production Budget: $150 million
Domestic: $107,483,804 58.8%
+ Foreign: $75,225,483 41.2%
= Worldwide: $182,709,287

Terminator Salvation
Production Budget: $200 million
Domestic: $56,382,000

Superman Returns after its first week-end did $66,795,937
I wonder if it's really impossible to imagine a better performance for the supposed "Man of Steel".

"Watchmen will do great!"
"Terminator Salvation and its sequels will do billions. Superman is useless".
At this point if the Hobbit failed, at WB they would be in trouble.

It's clear that they have canned the Superman franchise without a single good reason, and I wonder if now (after that a TS sequel is not sure anymore) there is a place for it.

Blackman 05-24-2009 08:54 PM

Re: Dear WB, your supposed 2009 blockbusters continue to fail...
 
This thread is about a useful as swine flu...please close this

Wiseman 05-24-2009 08:56 PM

Re: Dear WB, your supposed 2009 blockbusters continue to fail...
 
Is it racist if I say shut-up blackman if that's his name?

Ita-KalEl 05-24-2009 09:06 PM

Re: Dear WB, your supposed 2009 blockbusters continue to fail...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Blackman (Post 16966202)
This thread is about a useful as swine flu...please close this

Why? :)
I've read that there's no place for Superman anymore, that TMOS was canned because of the budget ($175m was too expensive), because of the b.o. failure of the first movie ($390m ww), because the poor popularity of the character...

2009 was supposed to be the year of the MOS, we know that at WB they decided to cancel it and to greenlit some better franchises (Watchmen, Terminator Salvation). These movies are doing far worse than Superman Returns. I wonder if the decision to cancel Superman was a good decision, and if now there is a chance to see it again before the 2012.

Superark 05-24-2009 09:32 PM

Re: Dear WB, your supposed 2009 blockbusters continue to fail...
 
Once again, WB released a film this year that will end up turning into a dud.

I cant help but think how this makes SR's BO look better

Ita-KalEl 05-24-2009 09:50 PM

Re: Dear WB, your supposed 2009 blockbusters continue to fail...
 
I don't want to talk about the SR's box office. I wonder if the flops of Watchmen and Terminator Salvation can change something for the future. For example by now we know that chances of a 2011 TS.

Superark 05-24-2009 09:59 PM

Re: Dear WB, your supposed 2009 blockbusters continue to fail...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ita-KalEl (Post 16966381)
I don't want to talk about the SR's box office. I wonder if the flops of Watchmen and Terminator Salvation can change something for the future. For example by now we know that chances of a 2011 TS.

My only point in bringing it up is to show that there is an audience for Superman. Whether it is a sequel, reboot, requel or whatever, a Superman film is going to bring in money, especially if it has a decent story and lots of action

nintendo nerd 05-24-2009 10:04 PM

Re: Dear WB, your supposed 2009 blockbusters continue to fail...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ita-KalEl (Post 16966196)
Are you still sure that there's not a place for Superman?

Watchmen
Production Budget: $150 million
Domestic: $107,483,804 58.8%
+ Foreign: $75,225,483 41.2%
= Worldwide: $182,709,287

Terminator Salvation
Production Budget: $200 million
Domestic: $56,382,000

Superman Returns after its first week-end did $66,795,937
I wonder if it's really impossible to imagine a better performance for the supposed "Man of Steel".

"Watchmen will do great!"
"Terminator Salvation and its sequels will do billions. Superman is useless".
At this point if the Hobbit failed, at WB they would be in trouble.

It's clear that they have canned the Superman franchise without a single good reason, and I wonder if now (after that a TS sequel is not sure anymore) there is a place for it.

My thoughts exactly, Ita. Great Post. SR made more money than Watchmen, Speed Racer, and it looks like TS will do also less. Let's not forget that SR made more money than BB. SR and all those movies had a similar budget (according to Showtime, SR's budget was 204 million, not counting previous efforts, correct me if I'm wrong ).

SR received better reviews from critics and audiences than all of those movies except for BB. If WB decides to do a sequel for TS, why can't there be one for SR?

nintendo nerd 05-24-2009 10:08 PM

Re: Dear WB, your supposed 2009 blockbusters continue to fail...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Blackman (Post 16966202)
This thread is about a useful as swine flu...please close this

More repect please. I live in Mexico and that was a very serious matter for Mexicans.

Paradoxium 05-24-2009 10:12 PM

Re: Dear WB, your supposed 2009 blockbusters continue to fail...
 
If I was investor, I would not have gambled on Watchmen - not hindsight, I always agreed with Moore on adaptation issues - nor would I gamble on a Superman sequel given the stigma SR has incurred (intended or not). I would actually prefer to gamble on a second tier hero instead. Maybe a Nightwing movie of lower budget.

nintendo nerd 05-24-2009 10:16 PM

Re: Dear WB, your supposed 2009 blockbusters continue to fail...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Paradoxium (Post 16966480)
If I was investor, I would not have gambled on Watchmen - not hindsight, I always agreed with Moore on adaptation issues - nor would I gamble on a Superman sequel given the stigma SR has incurred (intended or not). I would actually prefer to gamble on a second tier hero instead. Maybe a Nightwing movie of lower budget.

Which Stigma? GA's issue with SR was lack of action. The story and characters were fine.

Ita-KalEl 05-24-2009 10:18 PM

Re: Dear WB, your supposed 2009 blockbusters continue to fail...
 
Paradoxium in the Terminator:Salvation box office thread told me that it is a problem of "future divided profit percentages".

I don't know if it is true, I know only that every year there is at least a big WB movie (with a budget over the $150m) that bombs. And someone continues to say that Superman is dead.

Webhead2006 05-24-2009 10:19 PM

Re: Dear WB, your supposed 2009 blockbusters continue to fail...
 
You can really judge TS yet only after its first weekend.

nintendo nerd 05-24-2009 10:20 PM

Re: Dear WB, your supposed 2009 blockbusters continue to fail...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Webhead2006 (Post 16966509)
You can really judge TS yet only after its first weekend.


Yes, you can. With all the competition they needed bigger numbers. Plus the bad WOM won't help at all. Opening weekend is very important for Studios and TS was beaten by Night at the Museum 2 which cost 50 million less to make. TS will be lucky to reach 150 million.

NeoRanger 05-24-2009 10:20 PM

Re: Dear WB, your supposed 2009 blockbusters continue to fail...
 
Quote:

If WB decides to do a sequel for TS, why can't there be one for SR?
I'm pretty sure that was not the OP point.

Paradoxium 05-24-2009 10:22 PM

Re: Dear WB, your supposed 2009 blockbusters continue to fail...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ita-KalEl (Post 16966506)
Paradoxium in the Terminator:Salvation box office thread told me that it is a problem of "future divided profit percentages".

I don't know if it is true, I know only that every year there is at least a big WB movie (with a budget over the $150m) that bombs. And someone continues to say that Superman is dead.

I don't know if it is settled yet, but I do recall reading something about it, I will try digging it up.

nintendo nerd 05-24-2009 10:27 PM

Re: Dear WB, your supposed 2009 blockbusters continue to fail...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by NeoRanger (Post 16966516)
I'm pretty sure that was not the OP point.

I know. That's my opinion.

Superark 05-24-2009 10:28 PM

Re: Dear WB, your supposed 2009 blockbusters continue to fail...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Webhead2006 (Post 16966509)
You can really judge TS yet only after its first weekend.


yes you can. TS was expected to make an opening of 70-90 million. They movie is going to end up being a big letdown for WB

I think this should make Superman more of a priority for them.

Paradoxium 05-24-2009 10:31 PM

Re: Dear WB, your supposed 2009 blockbusters continue to fail...
 
All I know is the Siegels own 50% of the domestic rights. I am not certain how much they get a cut of in terms of net profit. But they are not exactly forking up the risk (contribute to budget of film). It's almost a win-win scenario. If the film fails, they get nothing but have no losses. If it profits, they get a nice roll of the cash. How much is a problem.

Ita-KalEl 05-24-2009 10:35 PM

Re: Dear WB, your supposed 2009 blockbusters continue to fail...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Paradoxium (Post 16966572)
All I know is the Siegels own 50% of the domestic rights. I am not certain how much they get a cut of in terms of net profit. But they are not exactly forking up the risk (contribute to budget of film). It's almost a win-win scenario. If the film fails, they get nothing but have no losses. If it profits, they get a nice roll of the cash. How much is a problem.

This is a shame dear Paradoxium. One of the best franchises ever killed by the greed...
But I'm sure that there is still hope for the future. At least we know that for 2011 the place occupied by the TS sequel, is by now vacant.

BestGirl 05-24-2009 10:42 PM

Re: Dear WB, your supposed 2009 blockbusters continue to fail...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ita-KalEl (Post 16966596)
This is a shame dear Paradoxium. One of the best franchises ever killed by the greed...
But I'm sure that there is still hope for the future. At least we know that for 2011 the place occupied by the TS sequel, is by now vacant.

I hadn't thought of that. And Superman is still a top tier superhero, even after the disappointment of SR...

Lighthouse 05-24-2009 10:59 PM

Re: Dear WB, your supposed 2009 blockbusters continue to fail...
 
:facepalm

Do you people really think this changes in anyway WB's viewpoint on Superman Returns? Really?

KalMart 05-24-2009 11:06 PM

Re: Dear WB, your supposed 2009 blockbusters continue to fail...
 
If Obama's presidency turns out to be a bust.....should the US re-elect George Bush? Is there a place for George Bush in our future?

KalMart 05-24-2009 11:07 PM

Re: Dear WB, your supposed 2009 blockbusters continue to fail...
 
I feel a mod-action approaching.......

FilmNerdJamie 05-24-2009 11:40 PM

Re: Dear WB, your supposed 2009 blockbusters continue to fail...
 
"No no I have no idea why this thread would be closed..."


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