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Thread Manager 07-01-2013 08:06 PM

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SpideyVille 07-01-2013 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Doc Ock (Post 26231967)
I remember the scene were Harry discovered his father's legacy had me so pumped for Spider-Man 3...

They really dropped the ball with that. That arc ended on an ambiguous note in SM2, but then they didn't play with that at all in SM3.

Green Goblin 07-02-2013 11:13 AM

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I though Franco's preformence was the best part of sm3

OcStat 07-07-2013 12:25 PM

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It was the plot line I looked forward to the most gearing up for SM3. And those are my favorite bits of the movie, Harry and Peter's confrontations. A few of my peers probably thought I was nuts anticipating that more than Venom.

If they had split 3 into two films, and had part 4 focusing on Venom we could've had a real winner.

Venom75 07-07-2013 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by SpideyVille (Post 26261105)
They really dropped the ball with that. That arc ended on an ambiguous note in SM2, but then they didn't play with that at all in SM3.

Agreed. I wanted more interactions between Harry and his father. Having Norman's ghost constantly reminding him that Peter and MJ aren't his friends and don't care about him,only to have Harry finally overcome his father's legacy and hatred to help Peter defeat Sandman and Venom. But...that never happened and wasn't even explored much. That's my major complaint about the film only after the horrible treatment of Venom and the symbiote.

Doc Ock 07-07-2013 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by SpideyVille (Post 26261105)
They really dropped the ball with that. That arc ended on an ambiguous note in SM2, but then they didn't play with that at all in SM3.

Definitely, it kinda was something that developed off-screen, among other things.

SpideyVille 07-08-2013 05:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Venom75 (Post 26297323)
Agreed. I wanted more interactions between Harry and his father. Having Norman's ghost constantly reminding him that Peter and MJ aren't his friends and don't care about him,only to have Harry finally overcome his father's legacy and hatred to help Peter defeat Sandman and Venom. But...that never happened and wasn't even explored much. That's my major complaint about the film only after the horrible treatment of Venom and the symbiote.

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Originally Posted by Doc Ock (Post 26300273)
Definitely, it kinda was something that developed off-screen, among other things.

I just feel like Harry was given a great Poker Face at the end f SM2, so you couldn't really tell what he decided. On one hand, he loved his father and wanted nothing more than to be accepted, but on the other hand, Peter was his best friend and the only person who was ever there for him through thick and thin. So there was a lot of mystery in terms of what he would do.

But then they show their cards way too soon in SM3, and it seems like its all for nothing because they have him jumping back and forth throughout the movie, and even though I cried the first time I saw it, his sacrifice at the end seems now like an attempt to make us feel bad for this character. And its a shame because I really liked Harry and Franco, but his character, which had the most potential of all three villains, just got lost in the shuffle.

Green Goblin 07-13-2013 12:06 PM

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Out of interest how did rami fans find the reboot? I loved it, my fav spidey film! Did it live up to the legacy of the first two?

roach 07-13-2013 12:07 PM

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I didnt like it...unneeded rehash of a movie we already saw

Venom75 07-13-2013 04:50 PM

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I thought it was ok. Some parts I liked,but it didn't have that same epic feel to it and that sense of fun,that the Raimi series had. Garfield was a better Spider-man that Maguire,but I thought Maguire was a more likeable Peter Parker. With Raimi's series,every movie I followed very closely,esp. part 3. I remember everyday I would check the boards here(or other sites)for new pics,info or trailers. But with this new series,I really don't seem to care as much.

OcStat 07-13-2013 05:52 PM

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I was extremely disappointed that Spider-Man 4 was cancelled in favor of a reboot. Now if SM4 was never announced, and the reboot was the initial idea, it wouldn't have bothered me, but that wasn't the case so I was very skeptical about the new movie. At first.

Then I read that Sam Raimi felt creatively exhausted (and remember at this point it was confirmed they were trying to make 4 and 5) apparently they couldn't really get a great follow up story off the ground. (And indeed it would've needed to be great, Raimi stated TDK raised the bar and he was taking notes). Raimi felt the most interesting stories to be told were to go back when Peter was younger and still in school.

That info came later, while TASM was pretty far into production, and it alleviated some of my concerns.

Then we got the first trailer, and I was pumped.

Then the movie actually came out.


...and I loved it!

It has some flaws but I think they are all pretty minor, and Spider-Man 1 has just as many flaws if you want to find them. But it gets so much right, things that I realize in retrospect I disagreed with in Raimi's films, but was too excited to notice because I was watching a live action Spidey.

I don't want to rank the films but I am confident when all is said and done, TASM2 will surpass the first Amazing, and SM2, and this franchise will be regarded as the superior films by all of us.

Pfeiffer-Pfan 07-13-2013 06:53 PM

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Well, first of all, I'm of the opinion that it was too soon for a reboot. A mere 5 years since Spider-man 3 and 10 years since the last (very successful) origin movie. You can give me all the money, sony, franchise nonsense you want... It was too soon. Sony should have fought for Spider-man 4 with Tobey and a new director (Raimi could have produced).

That's just how I feel and it's never going to change. I loved the Raimi series and the trilogy played a big part in my teenage years.

However, I went to The Amazing Spider-man with an open mind, hoping that it would feel fresh in an organic way, and shed some new light on the characters. I left the theatre feeling very little. I didn't hate it, I didn't love it... but I can't exactly say I liked it all that much either. It was just kind of there on the screen.

I'm still not a fan of Andrew Garfield's Peter Parker/Spider-man and the ''new'' origin had me rolling my eyes a lot.

It's not a bad film... but theres not much (apart from the always amazing Emma Stone) noteworthy about it.

I'm barely following the sequel at all.

ThePhantasm 07-13-2013 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by SpideyVille (Post 26261105)
They really dropped the ball with that. That arc ended on an ambiguous note in SM2, but then they didn't play with that at all in SM3.

I know. That really sucked. I also hated the cheap and convenient plot device of Harry "forgetting" everything for a chunk of the film.

Kevin Roegele 07-13-2013 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Pfeiffer-Pfan (Post 26345063)
Well, first of all, I'm of the opinion that it was too soon for a reboot. A mere 5 years since Spider-man 3 and 10 years since the last (very successful) origin movie. You can give me all the money, sony, franchise nonsense you want... It was too soon. Sony should have fought for Spider-man 4 with Tobey and a new director (Raimi could have produced).

That's just how I feel and it's never going to change. I loved the Raimi series and the trilogy played a big part in my teenage years.

However, I went to The Amazing Spider-man with an open mind, hoping that it would feel fresh in an organic way, and shed some new light on the characters. I left the theatre feeling very little. I didn't hate it, I didn't love it... but I can't exactly say I liked it all that much either. It was just kind of there on the screen.

I'm still not a fan of Andrew Garfield's Peter Parker/Spider-man and the ''new'' origin had me rolling my eyes a lot.

It's not a bad film... but theres not much (apart from the always amazing Emma Stone) noteworthy about it.

I'm barely following the sequel at all.

I'm kind of in the same place.

Amazing improved a few things - chiefly Spidey himself, his attitude and spidery movements, plus the practical stunts of webslinging and wallcrawling - but other than that, it more or less copied what Raimi did the first time anyway, but to much lesser effect.

It was an attempt to remake Spider-Man (2002) in the style of Batman Begins, and it came off as pretty damn average.

Green Goblin 07-14-2013 12:44 PM

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Eh I agree that the origin was unnesseaary but I judged it on it's own. I liked how it had inspiration from ultimate spider-man. The Rami series couldn't last past 4. I think they should have started off with him at the beginning of his career. The rami films (2 and 3 anyway) didn't feel like SM to me as it took too many libertys for me. I went in with low expectations so I was very surprised. Seeing that the first was an origin story but it equaled SM2 on RT I think that sequels will surpass it. However on this board I think SM2 will be the best SM movie for a long time, unless TASM2 does death of gwen stacy.

Chris Wallace 07-17-2013 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by RedBlueWonder (Post 26342175)
Out of interest how did rami fans find the reboot? I loved it, my fav spidey film! Did it live up to the legacy of the first two?

DIdn't like it at all. Won't be seeing the sequel. THat's all I care to say about it.

Human Torch 07-17-2013 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Wallace (Post 26380303)
There is only ONE Spider-Man. His name is Peter Parker. He's an adult, and he's straight!.


Agreed :woot:

Green Goblin 07-18-2013 11:01 AM

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Lol they ain't making Peter gay.

Human Torch 07-18-2013 02:51 PM

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Damn Straight!:woot:

SpideyVille 07-18-2013 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Pfeiffer-Pfan (Post 26345063)
Well, first of all, I'm of the opinion that it was too soon for a reboot. A mere 5 years since Spider-man 3 and 10 years since the last (very successful) origin movie. You can give me all the money, sony, franchise nonsense you want... It was too soon. Sony should have fought for Spider-man 4 with Tobey and a new director (Raimi could have produced).

That's just how I feel and it's never going to change. I loved the Raimi series and the trilogy played a big part in my teenage years.

However, I went to The Amazing Spider-man with an open mind, hoping that it would feel fresh in an organic way, and shed some new light on the characters. I left the theatre feeling very little. I didn't hate it, I didn't love it... but I can't exactly say I liked it all that much either. It was just kind of there on the screen.

I'm still not a fan of Andrew Garfield's Peter Parker/Spider-man and the ''new'' origin had me rolling my eyes a lot.

It's not a bad film... but theres not much (apart from the always amazing Emma Stone) noteworthy about it.

I'm barely following the sequel at all.

This pretty much sums up my feelings. I wasn't really planning on seeing ASM, but I ended up going with my friend because he had a coupon to see the movie for $3 in IMAX 3D if we went before noon, and since he was dealing with a recent breakup, I figured I'd be there for him.

I dind't hate the film, but I also didn't think it was better than the first two Raimi films. I can understand why the new generation of comic book fans (Post Dark Knight era) would like it, since it is definitely the "prettier" version with the current day special effects, but there was just something in the story that made me love the Raimi films, and that's why it still has a special place in my heart.

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Originally Posted by ThePhantasm (Post 26345073)
I know. That really sucked. I also hated the cheap and convenient plot device of Harry "forgetting" everything for a chunk of the film.

Yeah, just from a writing standpoint, it felt like such a copout. I know it happens in comics, but I always expect movies to try a be a little more believable and adapt to the real world. Meaning, I would have preferred that they find a real solution to the problem that fits the characters, rather than a convenient one that fits the writer.

henzINNIT 08-06-2013 04:44 AM

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I have no idea how to go about it, but I thought it could be an awesome project to edit the Raimi films, adding in some Spidey banter that Maguire recorded for the tie-in games. There's some fun lines in there, and that's something many fans felt was lacking in the films.

Leenie 08-06-2013 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by SpideyVille (Post 26261105)
They really dropped the ball with that. That arc ended on an ambiguous note in SM2, but then they didn't play with that at all in SM3.

Before going into SM3, I had decided for myself that if Harry's character arc did not end with him sacrificing himself for Peter, then the entire movie would be a complete fail. I am glad that's what happened in the film.

... But I do agree that the things leading up to his sacrifice could have been done so much better. I feel like there was pressure to add as many action scenes as possible, so they put the carriage before the horse by having Harry use the GG serum at the beginning of the film. They really could have (and should have) made everything ambiguous until the very end with Harry helping Spider-Man. How great would that payoff have been?

Again, I'll repeat that I don't despise Spider-Man 3, but it certainly could have been a much better movie. I can still watch and enjoy it, but it definitely did not live up to its potential.

SpideyVille 08-06-2013 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Leenie (Post 26567853)
Before going into SM3, I had decided for myself that if Harry's character arc did not end with him sacrificing himself for Peter, then the entire movie would be a complete fail. I am glad that's what happened in the film.

... But I do agree that the things leading up to his sacrifice could have been done so much better. I feel like there was pressure to add as many action scenes as possible, so they put the carriage before the horse by having Harry use the GG serum at the beginning of the film. They really could have (and should have) made everything ambiguous until the very end with Harry helping Spider-Man. How great would that payoff have been?

Again, I'll repeat that I don't despise Spider-Man 3, but it certainly could have been a much better movie. I can still watch and enjoy it, but it definitely did not live up to its potential.

This pretty much sums up my view of the movie. While I don't think its one of the worst films of all times, it pales in comparison to the near perfection that SM2 was at the time. And I think because of this, most of the disappointment in SM3 comes from the hype leading up to its release. It looked to have a lot of potential, most of which it did not live up to at all.

Venom75 08-06-2013 08:48 PM

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It has alot of incredible scenes in it. Most horrible films has nothing at all redeeming about them,but Spider-man 3 has plenty going for it. Of course,it has alot of flaws as well,but I find it nowhere near being a bad film. And certainly not a horrible one either.

Kargo Warrior 08-09-2013 04:01 PM

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After several years i decided to watch the first two Spider-Man films,to see how i felt about them now,how i see them from my current perspective and point of view.

And boy,i love these movies with all my heart...they are so innocent,witty,so well edited and scripted i always end the second film with a huge smile on my face,which lasts about 30 seconds only to start my bewilderment of how they messed the third film so badly.I really like the first one despite a flaw here and a flaw there but I will spend some thoughts on the sequel.

Spider-Man 2 is the perfect sequel.It does all three major things that a sequel should marvelously:

1)It seamlessly continues the story
2)It expands it's world but most importantly,it expands it's characters,their ambitions,issues,desires...
3)It ends the story with just enough happiness and unresolved tension to work on it's own but leaves place for a spectacular finale(which,alas,didn't happen.)

In the first film,Spider-Man received a gift which turned into a burden,a responsibility he thought he understood and accepted.What the sequel smartly builds on and simultaneously questions along the way is whether a normal life is possible for someone who risks his life every day,someone who's a firefighter,a cop,a super soldier,a role model all at once.Would any individual accept such a life?Is there an amount of good deeds that are enough or is that responsibility for the rest of his life?Can there be a balance between personal happiness and the greater good?If seem from a neutral utilitarian perspective,would someone with such powers be seen as selfish if he would prefer to have a sweetheart,kids,a peaceful life?

The psychological torment Peter is having is juggled around wonderfully between his continuous sacrifice and his inability to be there for the love of his life,to have classes,to be what one would consider a normal young person.His guilt about his powers and what happened to his uncle have a quiet catharsis when he confesses his role to his Aunt.No act in either films is more brave and honest,creating Peter as someone not only with physical courage but moral one as well.

One of the best aspects of the script,is the care put into all the supporting characters that create this world.M.J is living her dream,lighting up Broadway,getting posters all over town but she's not very happy because fame and fortune are nothing without someone to share them with and the only person who has cared for her all along the way,mysteriously avoids her,sending mixed messages every time they see each other.She's presented as someone who doesn't let emotions ruin her life but follows her heart when it's the thing required.Her decision at the end of the film,brings the story into full circle from Peter chasing the bus,to her chasing him and making her decision be just as important as his,a love between two equals who are always gentle and tender to each other.

Aunt May is longing for her husband,all alone in the world but her fortitude is shown every step of the way,never putting her head down because of monetary issues,forgiving Peter and always being there when he needs an advice or a simple shoulder to rely on.

Harry has an interesting arc,convinced his father was killed by Spider-Man,he spends his life between continuing his father's legacy figuratively and literally.Once his sponsorship fails,killing Spider-Man is all he has left but who that is,is what makes him a tragic figure.His only friend,his only family...is the person that ruined his life.Revenge is on the cards.

Finally Doc Ock,who is a considerable improvement over the Goblin,a person who parallels Peter in following,chasing his dreams,but unlike him,someone who lets them devour everything he cared and worked for.A prideful person that could have changed the world had he been more patient and honest to a deluded criminal,he gets a honorable farewell at the end,sacrificing himself for those he worked for his entire life,those he hoped ton help better their lives,the common people.

The humor in the film is abundant,with J.J.Jameson on the front line equipped with a dozen sarcastic lines ready for delivery.''Caviar? Who are we inviting, the czar?'' is one the many laugh out loud moments,that are always natural,in the spirit of the situation and not as mere comic relief and unnecessary banter.The homage to comic book fans was also subtly added to the story from the Dr. Strange reference,to Mr Ditkovich to Peter's comic books thrown in the garbage can...''those dreadful things'' as Aunt May called them.

The action sequences are amazing,the train fight,endlessly emulated but never improved remains the best action scene of any comic book film,showing computer wizardry when used well can only add to a great story,not make a great story.Saving the train in spectacular fashion,the reaction of the passengers is one of the most impactfull scenes and touches the essence of Spider-Man...he is just a kid with a tremendous powers which he uses to help everyday people without any price or benefit but simply because he is following the example his Aunt and Uncle left him.

Even though it's a sequel,it doesn't feel big,it's very intimate,very poignant,we're spending time with genuine characters not action heroes produced in a computer.It's a film made with great care about them,never sidestepping their lives for needless thrills or explosions.Most of the firework comes from the interaction and the deep emotions between the characters,their words and their choices rather than CGI theatrics.

S. Grundy 08-09-2013 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by SpideyVille (Post 26572795)
This pretty much sums up my view of the movie. While I don't think its one of the worst films of all times, it pales in comparison to the near perfection that SM2 was at the time. And I think because of this, most of the disappointment in SM3 comes from the hype leading up to its release. It looked to have a lot of potential, most of which it did not live up to at all.

I really would have loved to have seen an extended cut, all of the deleted scene photos I've seen seem to indicate they would have helped the movie feel more whole.

A Necessary Evil 08-09-2013 11:39 PM

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I saw SM3 on fx a couple weeks ago, I still enjoy it. I do agree, that extended cut really would have helped (this massively flawed, however enjoyable movie), and they could have at least put them on the new blurays....buuuuuuut they didn't. Meh.

S. Grundy 08-10-2013 01:39 AM

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Rebooting the series to get rid of Raimi killed any chance of it happening.

Doc Ock 08-10-2013 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by S. Grundy (Post 26602707)
Rebooting the series to get rid of Raimi killed any chance of it happening.

I will always be optimistic maybe someday it will see the light of day...just maybe.

Kargo Warrior 08-10-2013 06:52 AM

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For every good story decision that was made in Spider-Man 2 and it had plenty,Spider-Man 3 had as many that went terribly wrong.

First of all,the Uncle Ben retcon is such a ridiculous,unnecessary move,everyone,from the person who wrote it to Raimi should be ashamed of themselves.It basically undermined all the responsibility Peter had on his shoulders for the duration of the first two films.

Another terrible writing decision was bringing Gwen Stacy,making the completely needless love triangle and denying M.J and Peter a happy relationship.After all the trials and tribulations of the previous films,all the pain,loneliness,alienation,they overcame every obstacle,finally came together only to have nothing but selfishness and bickering in the third film.A complete opposite of the tenderness and care they showed each other previously.

Peter being a dork,weakling in high school was part of the core in the origin but him being laughed at,ridiculed,etc...AGAIN in college showed a complete regression from part two.

Having 3 villains.There were fantastical elements in the first two films but everything was relatively explainable,plausible...an unexplained entity that just happens to fall from the sky in the vicinity of Peter was not.On top of that,the acting choice was horrendous.

Sandman was good on paper and pictures but again,making him U.B's killer was a poor,poor,unimaginative way to connect him to Peter.Why does every single character need to have a private history with Peter?Why not having a villain that just has to stopped due to his selfish,destructive actions?This way it all looks like Peter is fighting for himself,fighting his quarrels,not fighting to help innocent people.

The tone of the film didn't match the storyline at all.It retained the tone of the first two films and yet what was presented on screen was a juxtaposition between the supposed darkness and the goofiness of the characters,especially Peter.Just a year later,Nolan took a darker storyline and gave it the proper treatment.Even with all it's flaws a different direction could have made the film a lot more palpable if not much better.

It's a shame how much potential this movie had and how much good will the previous two films had,you have Peter finally becoming and accepting being Spider-Man,finally together with M.J.Franco's arc reached the breaking point...the sky was the limit...it's just sad that the very poor reception of the film made the whole trilogy uncool.

The Joker 08-10-2013 09:54 AM

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Great posts, Kargo :up:

Green Goblin 08-10-2013 01:35 PM

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So... Spidey 3 needs more love? Did anyone find Peter wanting to marry MJ after 6 months odd? I mean I'm not married but 6 months is a bit fast to purpose...

Kargo Warrior 08-10-2013 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by The Joker (Post 26604029)
Great posts, Kargo :up:

Thanks,bud :yay:

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Originally Posted by RedBlueWonder (Post 26605367)
So... Spidey 3 needs more love? Did anyone find Peter wanting to marry MJ after 6 months odd? I mean I'm not married but 6 months is a bit fast to purpose...

Not more love,a lot less needless melodrama.

The idea of presenting and overcoming any setbacks,challenges,obstacles in a dramatic medium is to further a character,to make him grow,evolve,learn...their relationship was at a worse place at the end of part 3 than part 2.They spend 2 films building it and then did a unbelievable regression,as the only way to insert Gwen who didn't serve any other real purpose in the film.

And he didn't want to marry her after 6 months,he was in love with her since the fourth grade.They basically knew each other all their lives.It's not like he met her 6 months before proposing.

Green Goblin 08-10-2013 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Kargo Warrior (Post 26606139)
Thanks,bud :yay:



Not more love,a lot less needless melodrama.

The idea of presenting and overcoming any setbacks,challenges,obstacles in a dramatic medium is to further a character,to make him grow,evolve,learn...their relationship was at a worse place at the end of part 3 than part 2.They spend 2 films building it and then did a unbelievable regression,as the only way to insert Gwen who didn't serve any other real purpose in the film.

And he didn't want to marry her after 6 months,he was in love with her since the fourth grade.They basically knew each other all their lives.It's not like he met her 6 months before proposing.

But they weren't dating untill then... That's my morals anyway lol

Senator Pleasury 08-10-2013 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by RedBlueWonder (Post 26605367)
So... Spidey 3 needs more love? Did anyone find Peter wanting to marry MJ after 6 months odd? I mean I'm not married but 6 months is a bit fast to purpose...

Dude, the man fell in love with her at 6 and stayed like that forever and first thought she was an angel. You are like that, chances are you're going to stay a dope forever.

sontin 08-11-2013 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by RedBlueWonder (Post 26605367)
So... Spidey 3 needs more love? Did anyone find Peter wanting to marry MJ after 6 months odd? I mean I'm not married but 6 months is a bit fast to purpose...

It was the same in ASM.
It was not odd. He thought it was the right time. In the end it was the wrong decision.

Green Goblin 08-11-2013 11:15 AM

Re: The Official "I Loved Raimi's Spider-Man' Thread - Part 1 of 99 Luft - Pa
 
Wonder when a Spidey film will top SM2?

Green Goblin 08-11-2013 12:51 PM

Re: The Official "I Loved Raimi's Spider-Man' Thread - Part 1 of 99 Luft - Pa
 
The Burton film threads are more active than this one...

OcStat 08-11-2013 01:23 PM

Re: The Official "I Loved Raimi's Spider-Man' Thread - Part 1 of 99 Luft - Pa
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by S. Grundy (Post 26602707)
Rebooting the series to get rid of Raimi killed any chance of it happening.

They didn't reboot the series to get rid of Raimi, Raimi stood down.

Edit:
http://spinoff.comicbookresources.co...-didnt-happen/

So maybe it was a bit of both, he says the reboot idea was bouncing around but ultimately, if he didn't resign it would not have happened.

But if he didn't resign, we would've gotten a sub-par movie.

It's unfortunate because I was looking forward to SM4. But there it is, straight from the source, it wouldn't have turned out the way he, or we, were hoping.

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedBlueWonder (Post 26612449)
Wonder when a Spidey film will top SM2?

ASM came very very close, I have a strong feeling ASM2 will knock SM2 off the throne.

Green Goblin 08-11-2013 01:49 PM

Re: The Official "I Loved Raimi's Spider-Man' Thread - Part 1 of 99 Luft - Pa
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by OcStat (Post 26613265)
They didn't reboot the series to get rid of Raimi, Raimi stood down.

Edit:
http://spinoff.comicbookresources.co...-didnt-happen/

So maybe it was a bit of both, he says the reboot idea was bouncing around but ultimately, if he didn't resign it would not have happened.

But if he didn't resign, we would've gotten a sub-par movie.

It's unfortunate because I was looking forward to SM4. But there it is, straight from the source, it wouldn't have turned out the way he, or we, were hoping.



ASM came very very close, I have a strong feeling ASM2 will knock SM2 off the throne.



If TASM has a tied audience RT with SM2 then I can see the GA liking it more, but critically and on this site, NOPE. I don't think we have the Spider-Man film yet as each has atleast one notable flaw in my opinion.
SM1: GG's looks and his plan .
SM2: First half Peter is a push over and MJ is a choir to watch.
SM3: I'd be here all day.
TASM: Not showing Conner's family and Dr Ratha's subplot not being 100% tied up.
Here's hoping TASM2 is the The Dark Knight of the Spider-Man franchise.

sontin 08-11-2013 02:03 PM

Re: The Official "I Loved Raimi's Spider-Man' Thread - Part 1 of 99 Luft - Pa
 
Lol, TASM is even worse than SM3.

Green Goblin 08-11-2013 02:06 PM

Re: The Official "I Loved Raimi's Spider-Man' Thread - Part 1 of 99 Luft - Pa
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sontin (Post 26613477)
Lol, TASM is even worse than SM3.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mc...xa6so1_500.gif

Sure sure. Batman Begins is worse than B&R also.

OcStat 08-11-2013 02:08 PM

Re: The Official "I Loved Raimi's Spider-Man' Thread - Part 1 of 99 Luft - Pa
 
I agree, we have yet to have the Spider-Man film.

Green Goblins look never bothered me that much. Definitely never saw the Power Rangers comparison as a valid complaint. The mask was odd though, really kind of distracting on that roof top scene.

Couldn't care less about Ratha, so that doesn't bother me either. I am glad they didn't keep the deleted scene in the sewer where he rambles on and on about Peter's past. That would not have helped the movie.

(But the scene before hand with Peter and the Curt getting to talk before he loses control should have been in. Just take out Ratha's bit and get back to Spider-Man and Lizard headed to Oscorp.)

Not showing Conners family was a big mistake to me. It doesn't help that they took Dr. Connors family man, well intentioned scientist persona and gave it Doc Ock in Spider-Man 2. It made telling Curt's story a little tougher because it was another thing that could have been perceived as a "retread" of the old films, when really Dr. Octopus was changed quite a bit for Spider-Man 2.

That knowledge doesn't detract from SM2 for me, Ock was still a great villain in that film. But hopefully if we ever get to see Ock in this franchise it will be done right. He is not a sympathetic individual.

Quote:

Originally Posted by sontin (Post 26613477)
Lol, TASM is even worse than SM3.

That's quite a statement, Bub. Care to back it up?

Green Goblin 08-11-2013 02:20 PM

Re: The Official "I Loved Raimi's Spider-Man' Thread - Part 1 of 99 Luft - Pa
 
Other than Ultimate Spidey, SM3 is the only media adaption of the character I didn't like. I thought it wasn't far from being the cinematic equivalent of toilet paper when looking at the source material.

It felt like a werid movie with Tobey Maguire in it.

Green Goblin 08-11-2013 02:23 PM

Re: The Official "I Loved Raimi's Spider-Man' Thread - Part 1 of 99 Luft - Pa
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by OcStat (Post 26613505)
I agree, we have yet to have the Spider-Man film.

Green Goblins look never bothered me that much. Definitely never saw the Power Rangers comparison as a valid complaint. The mask was odd though, really kind of distracting on that roof top scene.

Couldn't care less about Ratha, so that doesn't bother me either. I am glad they didn't keep the deleted scene in the sewer where he rambles on and on about Peter's past. That would not have helped the movie.

(But the scene before hand with Peter and the Curt getting to talk before he loses control should have been in. Just take out Ratha's bit and get back to Spider-Man and Lizard headed to Oscorp.)

Not showing Conners family was a big mistake to me. It doesn't help that they took Dr. Connors family man, well intentioned scientist persona and gave it Doc Ock in Spider-Man 2. It made telling Curt's story a little tougher because it was another thing that could have been perceived as a "retread" of the old films, when really Dr. Octopus was changed quite a bit for Spider-Man 2.

That knowledge doesn't detract from SM2 for me, Ock was still a great villain in that film. But hopefully if we ever get to see Ock in this franchise it will be done right. He is not a sympathetic individual.


That's quite a statement, Bub. Care to back it up?

Like the Lizard in TASM, I felt the changes made sense in the context of the film. The whole "Sometimes you have to give up the things you want the most" only made sense with their version of Ock.

Human Torch 08-11-2013 02:46 PM

Re: The Official "I Loved Raimi's Spider-Man' Thread - Part 1 of 99 Luft - Pa
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by OcStat (Post 26613265)
They didn't reboot the series to get rid of Raimi, Raimi stood down.

Edit:
http://spinoff.comicbookresources.co...-didnt-happen/

So maybe it was a bit of both, he says the reboot idea was bouncing around but ultimately, if he didn't resign it would not have happened.

But if he didn't resign, we would've gotten a sub-par movie.

It's unfortunate because I was looking forward to SM4. But there it is, straight from the source, it wouldn't have turned out the way he, or we, were hoping.



ASM came very very close, I have a strong feeling ASM2 will knock SM2 off the throne.

We ended up getting one anyway.:woot:

Green Goblin 08-11-2013 02:50 PM

Re: The Official "I Loved Raimi's Spider-Man' Thread - Part 1 of 99 Luft - Pa
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Human Torch (Post 26613817)
We ended up getting one anyway.:woot:

And all of a sudden SM3 gets fans...

Green Goblin 08-11-2013 02:52 PM

Re: The Official "I Loved Raimi's Spider-Man' Thread - Part 1 of 99 Luft - Pa
 
Ladies there is a forum for discussing TASM v.s the entire Trilogy (or SM1, I can't remember)

sontin 08-11-2013 02:52 PM

Re: The Official "I Loved Raimi's Spider-Man' Thread - Part 1 of 99 Luft - Pa
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by OcStat (Post 26613505)
That's quite a statement, Bub. Care to back it up?

Sure, no problem:
Worst custome ever
Boring from the start to the end
Worst adaption from the comics - it's not ASM, it's not USM
Uncle Ben's death is stupid and has no impact
To many plot holes
Relationship between Peter and Gwen is to artificial
Connors is not Connors and the look of the Lizard is so ridiculous
Lizard-Mouse (lol)
...

And so on.

And no i dont care what other people say. After The Dark Knight i gave up searching for logic when it comes to movie perception.


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