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kaijunexus 05-07-2010 03:58 PM

Avengers discrepency? (SPOILERS)
 
Alright. So, at the end of Iron Man 2, Nick Fury tells Stark that he's basically not welcome on the Avengers team, but that he'd like to use him as a consultant. Tony declines to accept this offer.

Yet, at the end of TIH, Stark is "putting together a team". This obviously takes place before the Avengers.

With only Thor and Captain America between IM2 and Avengers, it seems that there's nowhere for us to see Tony win over Nick Fury into letting him into the Avengers...

:huh:

Hush 05-07-2010 04:03 PM

Re: Avengers discrepency? (SPOILERS)
 
Enless he funds it.

weezerspider 05-07-2010 04:03 PM

Re: Avengers discrepency? (SPOILERS)
 
Hmmm... Maybe in a series flashbacks in Avengers?

squeekness 05-07-2010 04:06 PM

Re: Avengers discrepency? (SPOILERS)
 
^^ Could be. :) Either that or Tony's role as consultant includes recruiting. :)

weezerspider 05-07-2010 04:07 PM

Re: Avengers discrepency? (SPOILERS)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by squeekness (Post 18322402)
^^ Could be. :) Either that or Tony's role as consultant includes recruiting. :)

Possibly, but didn't he decline the offer as a consultant? I've seen the film several times and have yet to fully understand that scene.

LostSon88 05-07-2010 04:10 PM

Re: Avengers discrepency? (SPOILERS)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kaijunexus (Post 18322326)
Alright. So, at the end of Iron Man 2, Nick Fury tells Stark that he's basically not welcome on the Avengers team, but that he'd like to use him as a consultant. Tony declines to accept this offer.

Yet, at the end of TIH, Stark is "putting together a team". This obviously takes place before the Avengers.

With only Thor and Captain America between IM2 and Avengers, it seems that there's nowhere for us to see Tony win over Nick Fury into letting him into the Avengers...

:huh:

Well Favarau mentioned earlier how the films are not technically being released in chronological order.

Obviously based on the campus footage on screen in the SHIELD safehouse at the end of IM2, TIH is either happening around the same timeframe as IM2 OR it has already happened.

Stark confronting Ross at the end of TIH is perfectly in line with his role as a 'consultant' type of role if you ask me. Even though it seemed he initially 'declined' the offer at the end of IM2, perhaps seeing Ross was his first assignment or something he did as a favor to Fury?

Figs 05-07-2010 04:17 PM

Re: Avengers discrepency? (SPOILERS)
 
When I see it again this Sunday i'll have to look out for that TIH campus scene on the SHIELD computer. Totally didn't notice it.

kaijunexus 05-07-2010 04:20 PM

Re: Avengers discrepency? (SPOILERS)
 
I agree with a lot of the possibilities being posted here, but they are and always would be speculation unless we actually saw an explanation on film. And that's what I'm talking about.

With the likelihood of Iron Man not appearing in any more films until the Avengers, how will they be able to explain why he's helping the Avengers in TIH when he wasn't involved at all at the end of IM2?

LostSon88 05-07-2010 04:23 PM

Re: Avengers discrepency? (SPOILERS)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Figs (Post 18322502)
When I see it again this Sunday i'll have to look out for that TIH campus scene on the SHIELD computer. Totally didn't notice it.

I noticed it from the get-go...probably because I was really looking for the various references throughout the film.

When the credits were rolling I was telling my friend, "Okay, so we got the Captain America refernce and the Hulk reference...this HAS to be Thor coming up." Haha.

Red Mask 05-07-2010 05:21 PM

Re: Avengers discrepency? (SPOILERS)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Figs (Post 18322502)
When I see it again this Sunday i'll have to look out for that TIH campus scene on the SHIELD computer. Totally didn't notice it.

I think Incredible Hulk takes places later. But it's possible the first outbreak has already happened during this movie.

squeekness 05-07-2010 05:42 PM

Re: Avengers discrepency? (SPOILERS)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by LostSon88 (Post 18322554)
I noticed it from the get-go...probably because I was really looking for the various references throughout the film.

When the credits were rolling I was telling my friend, "Okay, so we got the Captain America refernce and the Hulk reference...this HAS to be Thor coming up." Haha.

What was the Hulk reference?

LostSon88 05-07-2010 05:53 PM

Re: Avengers discrepency? (SPOILERS)
 
The Culver University news footage was playing during Nick Fury's debriefing of Tony in the SHIELD safehouse...

Mister J 05-07-2010 06:12 PM

Re: Avengers discrepency? (SPOILERS)
 
Didn't Tony make some quip, effectively rescinding his decline of the consultant's role, if Fury did him a favor (getting Senator Stern to do the presentation honors for he and Rhodey)? Since Fury obviously came through on the favor, my impression was that the consultancy was a go.

Figs 05-07-2010 06:13 PM

Re: Avengers discrepency? (SPOILERS)
 
This is the last scene with Fury right? Where you can see the map of the world with the SHIELD icons on different continents like Africa(Black Panter :awesome:)?

I just want to know whereabouts to look at, this Sunday i'll definitely be keeping my eyes open.

Asteroid-Man 05-07-2010 06:17 PM

Re: Avengers discrepency? (SPOILERS)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mister J (Post 18322968)
Didn't Tony make some quip, effectively rescinding his decline of the consultant's role, if Fury did him a favor (getting Senator Stern to do the presentation honors for he and Rhodey)? Since Fury obviously came through on the favor, my impression was that the consultancy was a go.

This.

kaijunexus 05-07-2010 08:07 PM

Re: Avengers discrepency? (SPOILERS)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mister J (Post 18322968)
Didn't Tony make some quip, effectively rescinding his decline of the consultant's role, if Fury did him a favor (getting Senator Stern to do the presentation honors for he and Rhodey)? Since Fury obviously came through on the favor, my impression was that the consultancy was a go.

Perhaps I missed this. If this is the case, then that solves the problem.

However, I had thought that Tony said that he declined the consultancy invitation, BUT that Fury could do him a favor instead.

LostSon88 05-07-2010 09:23 PM

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I think Mister J is right...obviously I can't recall it word for word but I believe that Tony did say something along the lines that he would reconisder if Fury did him a favor.

FaT_tONle 05-08-2010 01:13 AM

Re: Avengers discrepency? (SPOILERS)
 
Yeah it's like the "How does Rhodes operate the suit just like that" thing. The movies don't happen in real time. There is a time lapse where things can change. Even if Tony never asked Fury for a favor and just walked, something may have happened that we just didn't know about.

Tony Stark 05-08-2010 01:34 AM

Re: Avengers discrepency? (SPOILERS)
 
My take on it was totally different. I thought Tony was basically saying, if you want me as a consultant, you're going to have to pay me, and you can't afford that, so basically I'm joining your team for free.

DocHoliday 05-08-2010 08:47 AM

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I'll have to watch that part again. I did like it though. got a bunch more personality out of Nick Fury. Not that he was bad in the other SHIELD scenes. I just felt he got to bring in some of those Sam Jackson-isms in the last scene.

Kent 05-08-2010 10:46 AM

Re: Avengers discrepency? (SPOILERS)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mister J (Post 18322968)
Didn't Tony make some quip, effectively rescinding his decline of the consultant's role, if Fury did him a favor.

Yes he did.

Dragon 05-08-2010 11:00 AM

Re: Avengers discrepency? (SPOILERS)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kaijunexus (Post 18322326)
Alright. So, at the end of Iron Man 2, Nick Fury tells Stark that he's basically not welcome on the Avengers team, but that he'd like to use him as a consultant. Tony declines to accept this offer.

Yet, at the end of TIH, Stark is "putting together a team". This obviously takes place before the Avengers.

With only Thor and Captain America between IM2 and Avengers, it seems that there's nowhere for us to see Tony win over Nick Fury into letting him into the Avengers...

:huh:

Of course, the story of the Avengers film itself can involve how and why Stark actually becomes a member. It can turn out that the Avengers need him to function. I'd also imagine that if the film has any character development at all, a major part of it will be how the team does and does not mesh together.

cryptic name 05-08-2010 12:09 PM

Re: Avengers discrepency? (SPOILERS)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dragon (Post 18325167)
Of course, the story of the Avengers film itself can involve how and why Stark actually becomes a member. It can turn out that the Avengers need him to function. I'd also imagine that if the film has any character development at all, a major part of it will be how the team does and does not mesh together.

with Joss Whedon re-writing and directing, Avengers will have character development shooting out it's ass.

Spider-Fan 05-08-2010 12:27 PM

Re: Avengers discrepency? (SPOILERS)
 
I think he took the role at the end of the scene, like Mister J points out.

One thing I loved about the movie is this movie I feel dispelled that idea people had that IM's box office would lead them to make Stark the prime focus and leader of the Avengers. This film showed exactly WHY Tony cannot lead a team, and it makes me very confident Cap is the main guy in Avengers, as he should be. Marvel gets it.

I am sure Stark will become an official member in Avengers. Remember, he said that Stark was BEGINNING in a consultant role. He never said Stark had no shot to become a member ever. Big difference.

squeekness 05-08-2010 12:28 PM

Re: Avengers discrepency? (SPOILERS)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by LostSon88 (Post 18322885)
The Culver University news footage was playing during Nick Fury's debriefing of Tony in the SHIELD safehouse...

Ah, thanks. :) It did a fly by on me. :p


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