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The Overlord 01-19-2013 01:00 PM

What can be learned from the previous Fantastic Four movies?
 
I think most people can agree that the previous Fantastic Four were not very good. So what can be learned from the mistakes the previous movies made, so they can be avoided in this movie?

Airwings 01-19-2013 02:10 PM

Re: What can be learned from the previous Fantastic Four movies?
 
To make the characters more serious and mature. Johnny Storm was quite annoying, especially in the first.

And to get a BETTER DIRECTOR

Silvermoth 01-19-2013 04:02 PM

Re: What can be learned from the previous Fantastic Four movies?
 
I think to think big. This is classic science fiction, the going where no-one has gone before type science fiction. Don't worry about toy merchandising just now, think about the biggest craziest ideas you can get away with and go for it.

Also no bad jokes from Doom please.

Airwings 01-19-2013 06:24 PM

Re: What can be learned from the previous Fantastic Four movies?
 
There's all this talk about "superhero Star Wars" for some DC characters.
Well, what if Fantastic 4 rather can be "Star Trek with superheroes"??

Hulk1968 01-19-2013 10:07 PM

Re: What can be learned from the previous Fantastic Four movies?
 
Stick to the source material and DON'T make it campy.

A few laughs here and there (like in Avengers) but not too many, LOL.

Incrediblejeff 01-20-2013 02:17 PM

Re: What can be learned from the previous Fantastic Four movies?
 
Yeah I would I say the level of camp should be brought down a notch.I would also say stay truer to the characters specifically Dr.Doom,Sue,and Reed.

Spider - Man 01-20-2013 06:31 PM

Re: What can be learned from the previous Fantastic Four movies?
 
Um, that they were not good?

ThePowerCosmic 01-21-2013 03:28 PM

Re: What can be learned from the previous Fantastic Four movies?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Airwings (Post 25029373)
To make the characters more serious and mature. Johnny Storm was quite annoying, especially in the first.

And to get a BETTER DIRECTOR

Trank seems like a much better director.

YoungPrime 01-22-2013 12:09 PM

Re: What can be learned from the previous Fantastic Four movies?
 
Save your money.

Save your time.

Don't hold your breath.

Never believe in FOX.

Watching a bootleg version is justifiable.

Wonder how much better Marvel would do things.

Mace Dolex 01-22-2013 12:36 PM

Re: What can be learned from the previous Fantastic Four movies?
 
I'm not that big a fan but maybe they can make it more mature and not play it safe for the kiddies, the FF were the start of the Marvel universe and from I've heard their adventures are supposed to be pretty epic.

Like another poster said maybe they can make this into the Star Trek for FOX, with huge epic space battles and whatnot.

I'm fine with the old actors of course Human Torch would have to be recast and definitely get somebody that brings gravitas to the role of Doom.

pr0xyt0xin 01-22-2013 02:10 PM

Re: What can be learned from the previous Fantastic Four movies?
 
So far we have:
1. Make it PG-13 instead of PG
2. Get a better director (we'll see if Trank is up to snuff)
3. Get a better cast (Invisible Woman and Doctor Doom specifically)
4. Less campy, childish and otherwise goofy.
5. Better CGI
6. Bigger budget (Rise of the Silver Surfer's was $130 million, Avengers 2 and Justice League will likely be over $250 million each)

metaphysician 01-22-2013 04:48 PM

Re: What can be learned from the previous Fantastic Four movies?
 
Hire a writer/director with an actual sense of scientific grandeur.

Kirk Langstrom 01-25-2013 05:36 AM

Re: What can be learned from the previous Fantastic Four movies?
 
Have the writers actually read some Fantastic Four comics with Dr. Doom in them before starting on a script. :yay:

Kelly 02-02-2013 05:52 PM

Re: What can be learned from the previous Fantastic Four movies?
 
Do not hire a director that has only directed comedies or hire a writer that the last thing they wrote was a "parody of a comic book hero"....

Neither worked out well....

OH, and don't ditch a good script for a crappy one....OOOOH, and make sure that you hire an editing team that doesn't edit out some of the BEST SCENES.



AND PEOPLE WANT MORE THAN A 90 MINUTE MADE FOR TV MOVIE.

Lightning Strykez! 02-23-2013 11:39 PM

Re: What can be learned from the previous Fantastic Four movies?
 
Amen to all of the above.

And by the way, it's wonderful to see all of you again...in our own forum at that. :)

Mulholland-Jr 03-20-2013 06:22 PM

Re: What can be learned from the previous Fantastic Four movies?
 
Didn't the writer of Twin Peaks write F4? How'd it turn out so sh****?

Jplaya2023 03-24-2013 02:38 PM

Re: What can be learned from the previous Fantastic Four movies?
 
hopefully they learned not to make this pg rated, but pg13 to rated r with more violence, gore, mature subject lines, sex etc...

i want better more violent fights, mature themes, etc...

Kelly 03-24-2013 05:02 PM

Re: What can be learned from the previous Fantastic Four movies?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jplaya2023 (Post 25447807)
hopefully they learned not to make this pg rated, but pg13 to rated r with more violence, gore, mature subject lines, sex etc...

i want better more violent fights, mature themes, etc...

From the comics what would you choose that had all of those themes you just mentioned...

I know of the small portion of one arc where Sue almost kills a man that is beating his wife that lives in their apartment building. One of the most intriguing arcs, Civil War has dealt with divorce....but what from the comics would you say fits the violence, gore, and mature subject lines that you want????

bubbadoom 03-24-2013 05:52 PM

Re: What can be learned from the previous Fantastic Four movies?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jplaya2023 (Post 25447807)
hopefully they learned not to make this pg rated, but pg13 to rated r with more violence, gore, mature subject lines, sex etc...

i want better more violent fights, mature themes, etc...

Don't know what comics you've been reading, but they sure aren't the FF!

This needs to be about as "mature" as X2, the Avengers, Iron Man, etc. If Fox can do that they may be on to something...

The Overlord 03-25-2013 09:47 AM

Re: What can be learned from the previous Fantastic Four movies?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bubbadoom (Post 25449069)
Don't know what comics you've been reading, but they sure aren't the FF!

This needs to be about as "mature" as X2, the Avengers, Iron Man, etc. If Fox can do that they may be on to something...

Yeah I would agree with that. Having the FF drop F bombs all the time and having Thing rip apart criminals would just seem wrong. A new FF movie should be more serious then the previous movies, but not be too dark. There is balance, having over the top material, but taking it seriously, having a fun adventure, that also has real peril and danger and interesting characterization.

I think some of the best comics of today, marry the over top creative ideas of the Silver Age with modern story telling conventions. There some things that would need updating (a lot of Silver age villains have ill definded motives and personalities) but the overall spirit should be similar to the Silver age FF issues.

Kelly 03-25-2013 11:28 AM

Re: What can be learned from the previous Fantastic Four movies?
 
There is a BIG DIFFERENCE between being "silly" and being "funny or humorous". The first two FF films were "silly" not "humorous"....that is a big change that needs to happen. They aren't the 4 stooges, they are the Fantastic Four.

Something that I felt was not dealt with at all was solid relationships....which are adult themes....not stupid spats between each other.

Their identity being open to everyone was dealt with in a stupid way as well....Sue running from people? was just "silly". They touched on it with people writing them letters asking for help, and I'll be damned if they didn't #1. cut the scene, and #2 turn it into yet another argument between Sue and Reed....

Just small things can really turn into big problems, or scenes that are keepers....

The other BIG THEMES of course must be dealt with, but until we know a villain, it is hard to figure out what the possible changes need to be.

Ultra Nolanite 03-25-2013 12:55 PM

Re: What can be learned from the previous Fantastic Four movies?
 
That Jessica Alba looks great in spandex.

The Overlord 03-25-2013 05:09 PM

Re: What can be learned from the previous Fantastic Four movies?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kelly (Post 25453113)
There is a BIG DIFFERENCE between being "silly" and being "funny or humorous". The first two FF films were "silly" not "humorous"....that is a big change that needs to happen. They aren't the 4 stooges, they are the Fantastic Four.

Something that I felt was not dealt with at all was solid relationships....which are adult themes....not stupid spats between each other.

Their identity being open to everyone was dealt with in a stupid way as well....Sue running from people? was just "silly". They touched on it with people writing them letters asking for help, and I'll be damned if they didn't #1. cut the scene, and #2 turn it into yet another argument between Sue and Reed....

Just small things can really turn into big problems, or scenes that are keepers....

The other BIG THEMES of course must be dealt with, but until we know a villain, it is hard to figure out what the possible changes need to be.

That's true, Iron Man is a good template for this, it had humorous moments, but knew when to get serious, it wasn't total darkness, but it didn't play itself like a farce.

An FF movie should have humorous moments, but it shouldn't be a sit com, it should have some serious moments. It will certainly need better interactions among the characters, Sue being miffed about her wedding not being perfect, when the end of the world is about to happen, is insane.

I think the villain will be important to establishing a proper atmosphere and themes. Having the villain be reduced to comic relief or just being dull will be a real blow to the film. So if they don't go with Dr. Doom, they will need to do something interesting with one of the other villains, who are often poorly used in the comics. Mole Man as a short little fat man who is miffed he can't get laid, Wizard being a pathetic Paris Hilton style attention whore who is miffed that the FF are more famous then he is and Red Ghost being a one dimensional communist stereotype and then not even a accurate stereotype, none of those characters lend themselves to a story that is meant to be taken seriously.

That's why a good FF needs honor the spirit of the Silver Age, but still make updates, here and there to fit with more modern story telling conventions.

TheComicbookKid 03-27-2013 09:26 PM

Re: What can be learned from the previous Fantastic Four movies?
 
They really need to lay off on the family-earth stuff.

Don't overly CGI things like Green Lantern, but make sure the movie looks like an actual sci-fi movie.

cabel 04-27-2013 07:44 AM

Re: What can be learned from the previous Fantastic Four movies?
 
Don't make the entire second act a sitcom.


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