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Walker 10-03-2008 12:28 PM

The Phantom: Legacy
 
Finally, the greatest costumed hero of them all (in my eyes that is) will return to the screen:

http://img219.imageshack.us/my.php?image=paperkp4.jpg

I hope they manage to get Worthington, he'd be an excellent choice for the role.

For more, check out www.chroniclechamber.com.

rogue trooper 10-03-2008 12:35 PM

Re: Tim Boyle's The Phantom
 
Well, I had already posted this news here,http://forums.superherohype.com/show...=258425&page=4, but I guess a new thread would get more attention.

I hope this project gets the greenlight.

Walker 10-03-2008 12:40 PM

Re: Tim Boyle's The Phantom
 
Ah, sorry, I didn't see that.

Still, can't wait to see what's in store for us if this gets made. The "father and son" storyline sounds like a great idea, if they stay close to the comic.

Kevin Roegele 10-04-2008 03:25 PM

Re: Tim Boyle's The Phantom
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Walker (Post 15761816)
Finally, the greatest costumed hero of them all (in my eyes that is) will return to the screen:

http://img219.imageshack.us/my.php?image=paperkp4.jpg

I hope they manage to get Worthington, he'd be an excellent choice for the role.

For more, check out www.chroniclechamber.com.

Yeah, fair enough. I don't know how the report can list a $60m budget given that the film hasn't even been greenlighted.

Walker 10-18-2008 09:00 AM

Re: Tim Boyle's The Phantom
 
I actually read that they have required the financing from private companies, so I think the project might end up happening, despite no official press announcements... yet.

We'll see when Boyle returns from negotiating with King Features, owners of the rights to the Phantom.

Walker 11-12-2008 08:40 AM

Re: Tim Boyle's The Phantom
 
According to Boyle's Myspace, the Ghost will walk to cinema screens in 2011:

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...ndid=131444798

rogue trooper 12-15-2008 05:41 PM

Re: Tim Boyle's The Phantom
 
A Sequel to The Phantom in the Works

Source:The Associated Press
December 15, 2008



An Australian production company on Monday announced it had secured the rights to The Phantom Legacy, a follow-up to the 1996 film, The Phantom, which starred Billy Zane as the masked hero who fights evil from his jungle headquarters.

According to The Associated Press, the adaptation is expected to cost $87 million and will focus on "the Father/Son relationship, and what it means to be The Phantom," scriptwriter Tim Boyle said in a statement. "The film will be set in the present day and will deal with the concept of destiny."

Producer Bruce Sherlock, who also served as executive producer of the first "Phantom" movie, said the new film will be a marked improvement over its predecessor.

"It has the makings of a blockbuster," Sherlock said. "There's some surprises that will thrill the 'Phantom' fans worldwide." Sherlock's Sydney-based Sherlock Symington Productions won the rights to the film.

The movie will likely be shot entirely in Australia, with production set to begin within six to nine months, Sherlock said. Producers are in talks with several "top talent" Australian and American actors, Sherlock said. He declined to provide names.

The Guard 12-15-2008 07:07 PM

Re: Tim Boyle's The Phantom
 
Hasn't this been rumored for like...eight years? We'll see if it gets off the ground.

rogue trooper 12-16-2008 11:02 AM

Re: Tim Boyle's The Phantom
 
UPDATE: It looks like the report from The Associated Press above wasn't completely accurate. Tim Doyle says on his official MySpace page that "This fim is NOT a 'Sequel'. It is a 're-launch' or 're-boot' of the comic franchise to the big screen. This film has nothing to do with the 1996 movie."

The film is also not titled "The Phantom Legacy" but rather The Phantom: Legacy. Here's an update from Doyle on the production:

Now that we've sort of got those 'Sequel' rumors under control, I guess I can start talking about what we're doing and where the project is at.

First of all, I've got to say - this is a very exciting time. Being able to bring the first masked comic superhero back to the big screen is an absolute honor. I've been researching The Phantom intensely for the last year or so and I've been working with the support of King Features Syndicate to try and bring you the tightest possible film. Yes, this is a new look at the comic book hero, but rest assured - He wont be 'heavily gadget man' (as that is another comic book hero named Batman) and he wont be an 'angry mob killer' (as 'The Punisher' -Frank Castle has been made into a film 3 times - remember the Dolph Lundgren film - that too was shot in Australia... old skool). He will be, without doubt 'The Phantom'. A man who has sworn an oath to protect - but at what cost?

rogue trooper 12-17-2008 02:11 PM

Re: Tim Boyle's The Phantom
 
Interview with Tim Boyle about Phantom:Legacy: http://www.chroniclechamber.com/

CC: G’day Tim and welcome to ChronicleChamber.com. It’s been over ten years since the first Phantom motion picture hit cinemas. Why do you think now is a good time to reintroduce the hero to the cinema going public?

TB: Probably the main reason why I think now's a good time to reintroduce The Phantom is that there seems to be a positive trend in comic book to screen translations. Gone are the days where Comic Book films are seen as 'hokey'. With the success of Spider-man, Iron Man, Dark Knight, Watchmen etc. people are interested in good character based 'super hero' films that not only entertain, but tell a solid story as well. The essence, as you know to most Comic Books or Graphic Novels, is based around moral decisions and consequences of our heroes. The Phantom was the first masked Super Hero – he is the original 'origin story'. I think that character, the one that started it all, should have a place in today's market.


So the question I’m sure everyone is waiting to hear the answer to is what will your Phantom film be like? Will it be faithful to the source material? In the announcement of the film you said it will be a father and son story “about a boy and his destiny.” Could you give any more details on this and what the plot may be?

It's a modern day Phantom. A Phantom dealing with real world issues based in the real world. The story will be faithful to the legend of the Phantom, but we're setting it in today's day. Unfortunately... I can't say too much more on this.


Specifically in regards to the Phantom costume, many who did not know the character but saw the 1996 film said that the purple costume was “silly.” Do you think the costume needs a change at all so that it is more palatable to the average movie goer? And what changes do you think would need to be made?

This is probably the 2nd most asked question... will we be changing the costume???? Yes, there will be changes – but you must remember, what works on the page doesn't necessarily translate to the screen – Think of the uproar when Byran Singer changed Wolverine's costume from yellow and blue spandex to the movie's silver and black leather. It looked AWESOME! I can't say exactly what we would like to do – but we're working on a compromise that should hopefully keep the Phans happy, yet make the character more accessible to today's audience.


With the 1996 film failing at the box office was it hard to pitch another Phantom film to the studios?

Getting any film made is always tricky and there are many hurdles to jump, but so far we've had great support from the Executive Producers and the Comic Studio. I'm extremely confident that the film we're making will have full studio support.


The Phantom is nowhere near as popular in the US as he is in Australia and Scandinavia with the 1996 films terrible performance at the US box office attributed to that fact. Is this something that concerns you and how do you hope to overcome it?

I know this might all sound elusive, but I don't really want to get bogged down on the last film and what it did or didn't do at the box office. The direction we're taking for this film is VERY different. What we have is a relaunch of the Phantom franchise. Comic book films of the mid nineties weren't as 'savvy' in respect to the way they treated their audience. Since then, the bar has been raised substantially. The benchmark has been set well and truly high. So it's up to us to deliver a film that will work on many levels – I feel that we're moving in that direction, so I have no concerns about it.


Are there any other challenges you could tell us about in regards to bringing the Phantom to the big screen?

It's still early days, but the biggest challenge so far is getting it right at script stage. If we can't get it right here, then all the visual effects in the world can't save you.


Are you planning on having the film focus on the 21st Phantom or a future or past Phantom?

The film is predominantly set in today's day - so I guess you can figure out the math on that one. Again, I'm not really allowed to say too much on this.


Will aspects of the comics’ mythology appear in the film such as the Skull Oath, the real origin of the Phantom (as opposed to the botched rendition in the ’96 film), the Phantom legacy and so on?

Yes! This film is heavily focused on the comics' mythology. You will see the Skull Oath and much, much more. It's really kick ass! And it's funny you mentioned the 'Phantom Legacy'.


Will we be seeing characters such as Guran, President Luaga, Colonel Worubu or others appear in the film?

Yes! I have accessed many characters from the comic and updated them to play similar roles in todays world. I did this especially for the Phans. I hope you enjoy that!


When writing the script was any particular Phantom story or stories an inspiration to you?

This screenplay is an original take on the comic and it's mythology. Elements from the story arcs will be found... but this is something very new. I've been working, and will continue to work hard with the guys at King Features Syndicate to make sure we give you something really special.


What do you consider to be the “core” of the Phantom character, that element that must be preserved in the film?

The Legacy – the passing down of the Skull Oath. Also the pure white eyes.


We’ve heard that the original script for the film was turned down by the studios. Can you tell us how the original script differed from the current one and why the studio rejected it?

Ah! Thank you for this question. The reporter got it WRONG! There was no other draft I wrote. There was a treatment that was not accepted written by a different writer – but both the producers and Comic studio flipped out when they heard my idea for The Phantom, and I was signed on to the project. There has never been a rejected script from my camp. This reporting was incorrect.

What are your opinions of the 1996 Phantom film and how will your film differ?

Look, again not trying to get caught up in the past. I think Simon Wincer did a awesome job for what he had to work with. The movie looked great, Billy Zane really did well and I've always loved Kristy Swanson – even before Buffy, when she did that cameo in Ferris Buller's Day Off... but the film just felt like a 90's comic book film aimed for children – The 1st Phantom swears an oath on a dead pirates skull he finds on the beach! It's actually a pretty gruesome visual. The guy carries two guns and has a pet wolf that can rip your head off and as far as the world knows... can't die! The Phantom has darkness to it – albeit not Batman dark, but still... he kicks ass and that's what I want to do with this film. Make it kick ass!


Will you be calling the film simply The Phantom or will you try and differentiate it from the ’96 film by calling it, say, The Ghost Who Walks?

No... the film's working title is called The Phantom: Legacy. I hope that just got you all a little more excited.


It’s been announced that you are considering Sam Worthington for the role of the Phantom. Was he who you had in mind from the start or are there other actors you think would be good in the role? Furthermore, has there been any talks at all with Worthington yet in regards to the film?

Ah the # 1 asked question. Who will be The Phantom? I didn't write the film with anyone per say in mind. Sam's been very supportive with my career. He's like the hardest working actor on the planet right now. We'd be lucky to get a guy like Sam – That said, there are a few different people I have in mind – and we'll start approaching them soon. But right now my focus is the screenplay.


As you yourself are Australian, as is Worthington, what do you think the chances of the film being shot here in Australia are; especially now so many Hollywood films are being made here?

The chances of an Australian shoot is HIGH. Although I'm currently based in the US, it would be awesome to come home and make this film 'Down Under'.


Finally, and most importantly, what is the current status of the movie? How long until we possible start seeing teasers and trailers appear on the web and in cinemas?

We're at scripting stage. The financing is taking place. We'll be hoping for a 2011 release date.


Thanks very much for your time, Tim, it’s much appreciated. We here at CC wish you all the best with the Phantom and all your other film projects!!

Thank you. And I just wanted to say I appreciate the support and let you know this film would not be being made with out the love of the Phans!
I'll try to keep you all as updated as I can and really look forward to making something you can all be really proud of.

Tim sent me an e-mail just as I was readying this interview for publication on the site. He asked me to let you all know that the film he is writing/ directing is NOT a sequle to the 1996 Billy Zane film but rather a complete re-boot of the Phantom film franchise. Tim says;

We've NEVER mentioned this as a 'Sequel'. Tell the Phans... This is a total relaunch. Starting from scratch - taking us into today. Don't fear... be excited!

You can visit Tim on-line at his MySpace page.

Ultradude 12-17-2008 02:45 PM

Re: Tim Boyle's The Phantom
 
I'm not sure what to think of this. The budget doesn't seem huge but it's not really small. But I'm not sure about this Boyle guy. What has he done? I also don't like his Wolverine remarks. I hope his idea for the Phantom costume is not black leather. We have had enough of that. I hope he doesn't want to make him black at all. Black with guns will look too generic and solider like and too much like the Punisher.
Does anybody know what this guy has done? I have never heard of him.

rogue trooper 12-17-2008 03:20 PM

Re: Tim Boyle's The Phantom
 
I'm quite sure he won't be wearing black leather(in the jungle?!!:wow:). He was just using that as an example of how you have to make certain accomodations when translating some elements from comic page to the screen. He already clearly stated that The Phantom is not like Batman or The Punisher. There is a certain darkness to the concept but not to the extent of the latter two.

Regarding as to what color The Phantom's costume will be, I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up being more greyish rather than purple. Heck, I wouldn't mind if he wears a dark blue suit like in the Scandinavian comics.

marcvader 12-17-2008 04:38 PM

Re: Tim Boyle's The Phantom
 
I've got to see the original again. I really don't remember much of it other than it having Zane in it and it being on the cheesy side

rogue trooper 12-18-2008 08:20 PM

Re: Tim Boyle's The Phantom
 
from Tim Boyle: http://www.myspace.com/timboylemovies


"There are two main villians in this - one from the comic, the other an
original but as to which ones they can't be disclosed for now. The Phantom
himself and Diana Walker will be in it of course, "oh and their kids..."
"It will have some elements of the original comic, but we are making
it work for the screen" says Boyle.

(On the Phantom's costume) "Like Batman Begins, where he takes a high tech spelunking suit and turns it into the basis of his costume - we're looking at making it a real world costume. Think of what Bryan Singer did with the blue and yellow Wolverine costume - that's what we have to do. Make it accessible to the public without annoying the fans too much."

Ultradude 12-19-2008 06:00 AM

Re: Tim Boyle's The Phantom
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rogue trooper (Post 16130466)
I'm quite sure he won't be wearing black leather(in the jungle?!!:wow:). He was just using that as an example of how you have to make certain accomodations when translating some elements from comic page to the screen. He already clearly stated that The Phantom is not like Batman or The Punisher. There is a certain darkness to the concept but not to the extent of the latter two.

Regarding as to what color The Phantom's costume will be, I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up being more greyish rather than purple. Heck, I wouldn't mind if he wears a dark blue suit like in the Scandinavian comics.

It doesn't need to be black leather. If it's black at all it will already suck.
I'm not having a good feeling about this. I mean, as much as I want a new Phantom movie I'm not desperate. It's too early to say anything but so far no good feelings. He has way too many references to other movies, big hits or not. I would like to start hearing his own ideas. The way he talks implies lack of own creativity. You don't see Bryan Singer or Nolan mentioning other superhero movies when they are talking about their own. They don't need that, they can hold their own. We will see. I hope they don't mess it up. Problem with the Phantom is that even though he is big in some countries he still doesn't have the big fan base of heroes like Batman, so it's easier to be more comfortable and inclined to unnecessary changes.

rogue trooper 12-19-2008 10:51 AM

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...well, in describing how the Iron Man suit would look, Jon Favreau did reference Robocop more than once. Also, when talking about Hellboy's makeup(either Del Toro or someone else), Tim Curry's Darkness from Legend was brought up, as well as The Orcs from Lord of The Rings.

Ultradude 12-19-2008 11:47 AM

Re: Tim Boyle's The Phantom
 
You seem to be 100% behind this movie and to be pretty comfortable with it so far. Do you know something we don't? Do you know this guy's work? I couldn't find anything positive. To the contrary actually. Or maybe you are not that big of a Phantom fan? Or are you desperate and would be happy with any movie they would put out?

rogue trooper 12-19-2008 01:06 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ultradude (Post 16141511)
You seem to be 100% behind this movie and to be pretty comfortable with it so far. Do you know something we don't? Do you know this guy's work? I couldn't find anything positive. To the contrary actually. Or maybe you are not that big of a Phantom fan? Or are you desperate and would be happy with any movie they would put out?

I'm a huge Phantom fan, and if you go to chroniclechamber.com you will find that many share my enthusiasm. What I've heard so far from the film, nothing seems out of league from what The Phantom should be.

BlackLantern 12-20-2008 01:44 PM

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I like the Phantom, I've always liked the concept of the mantle passing from father to son....it freaks bad guys out....

Walker 12-22-2008 05:39 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rogue trooper (Post 16142030)
I'm a huge Phantom fan, and if you go to chroniclechamber.com you will find that many share my enthusiasm. What I've heard so far from the film, nothing seems out of league from what The Phantom should be.

Agreed. Boyle has done everything right when it comes to pleasing fans so far. He even sent me an email where he said they were making the film for the fans as much as possible.

Ultradude:

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I'm not having a good feeling about this. I mean, as much as I want a new Phantom movie I'm not desperate. It's too early to say anything but so far no good feelings. He has way too many references to other movies, big hits or not. I would like to start hearing his own ideas. The way he talks implies lack of own creativity. You don't see Bryan Singer or Nolan mentioning other superhero movies when they are talking about their own.
That is just not true. Nolan mentioned Superman The Movie as an inspiration for BB, and Singer? Heck, he just made the ultimate tribute movie in Superman Returns, and frequently talked to the press about how much he loved the Donner film.

Boyle definetely has his own ideas, but is not allowed to reveal all of them. According to answers to fans' questions on the Chronicle Chamber boards, he will prefer to devote around 30 minutes of screen time to the 1st Phantom. That means we'll get a movie that features half an hour set in the 1500s, which is both original to superhero movies and faithful to the comic.

The concept of a successor to the legacy who is in doubt if he wants to be the Phantom or not, is not entirely new (Falk used it, Egmont's done it), but it could make for a great movie.

To shamelessly promote something I wrote myself, I recently did an article for CC about what I feel is important to a Phantom movie. It's tounge-in-cheek, but there is a message in there:
http://cctalkingdrums.blogspot.com/2...r-phantom.html

BlackLantern 12-22-2008 05:41 PM

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after 400 years someone in the Walker family is bound to question whether to pick up the mantle of The Phantom....

Walker 12-22-2008 05:43 PM

Re: Tim Boyle's The Phantom
 
Sure, it adds some depth to the character(s). :)

I think Boyle can end up pleasing old fans and give audiences something that gives them what they want as well. King Features gave his script two thumbs up, which is hopefully a good sign.

Rogue trooper, are you on the CC forum, seeing you are a big fan? If so, what name do you go by? If not, hope to see you there (and that goes for everybody else with an interest in the Phantom, off course)! :)

rogue trooper 12-23-2008 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Walker (Post 16158092)
Sure, it adds some depth to the character(s). :)

I think Boyle can end up pleasing old fans and give audiences something that gives them what they want as well. King Features gave his script two thumbs up, which is hopefully a good sign.

Rogue trooper, are you on the CC forum, seeing you are a big fan? If so, what name do you go by? If not, hope to see you there (and that goes for everybody else with an interest in the Phantom, off course)! :)

I go by Kit Colt. Kit after Kit Walker. Colt after Denny Colt/ The Spirit.:yay:

TheVileOne 12-23-2008 12:34 PM

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Not sure how this will turn out.

I read that this has a budget of like $87 million. Not sure who the heck would want a fund a movie like this with that type of money.

Rebooting a character for the cinema is not that simple.

I'm not sold on Boyle's ideas. I'm not sure what he's getting at with the costume changes. I guess people can't deal with a purple costume and a mask. Does the suit need to be more high tech or something? In the 2040 animated series, he had those guns that could seemingly levitate from his belt into his hands.

I do have a soft spot for Defenders of The Earth featuring the Phantom. And also the 2040 show which was pretty weird.

rogue trooper 12-23-2008 01:31 PM

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Quote:

I read that this has a budget of like $87 million. Not sure who the heck would want a fund a movie like this with that type of money.
That was the initial thought when the funding for Donner's Superman was being done.:cwink:



Quote:

Rebooting a character for the cinema is not that simple.
Batman Begins? Incredible Hulk? Casino Royale?


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I'm not sold on Boyle's ideas. I'm not sure what he's getting at with the costume changes. I guess people can't deal with a purple costume and a mask. Does the suit need to be more high tech or something?
Simple. What works in comics does not always translate as well on screen. Hence, changes are needed. Example; Batman's suit in BB & TDK, Wolverine's suit on X-Men films, and Night Owl, Ozymandias and Silk Spectre's costume changes in Watchmen. And there's also the "arguably" appropriate costume changes of Daredevil and The Spirit.


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