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Rolf 03-15-2009 09:10 AM

Where does most of TDK's critisism come from?
 
Des pite it's succsess TDK is not invunurable to critisizm.

Where does most of it's negative feedback come from?

WARNIG: Choice 10 is controversial!!!

thedarks0ldier 03-15-2009 09:30 AM

Re: Where does most of TDK's critisism come from?
 
Marvel sore losers

SurfDUI 03-15-2009 09:51 AM

Re: Where does most of TDK's critisism come from?
 
This poll is loaded.
I can only assume that TDK should have no critisim's at all, when in fact it was pretty cool, damn cool, for as far as that goes.

If I had one i'd be the most glaring...the overzelous fans who not there fault, most who arn't old enough to adequately put this one piece of work in the larger scope of an entire lineage of a fictional character.

the other pertaining to the actual film. And this option isn't availible...I don't know if I think the Joker should actually relish so much or is so concious of his ying and yang w/ Batman, as his sole reason for being out there. I guess, plus there wasn't too much day to day Joker action w/ either his crew or how he ends up w/ a small nations worth of dynamite and amunition.

Party on!

The Joker 03-15-2009 10:08 AM

Re: Where does most of TDK's critisism come from?
 
I think alot of it comes from the fans who put the movie on such a high pedestal, and compare every new comic book movie to it. That pisses alot of people off. Check out the TDK vs Watchmen thread in the Watchmen forum, for example.

Heath winning the Oscar also rubbed a few people the wrong way, even if he did deserve it, IMO.

El Payaso 03-15-2009 10:12 AM

Re: Where does most of TDK's critisism come from?
 
...where the criticism comes from?


Honestly... who cares?

Travesty 03-15-2009 12:51 PM

Re: Where does most of TDK's critisism come from?
 
The Criticism I give it is as honest as I can be. I like the movie, but it isn't even put in my top 3 favorite Bat-movies.

-I hated the editing(scenes went by WAYYY to fast).

-I wasn't a fan of the lighting throughout the entire movie(way to bright for my liking).

-Didn't like Bales Bat-voice(never had a problem with it in BB).

-I thought the story had wayyyy to many things going on, and the movie should have been split up in 2 movies, or extended another 30-45 minutes.

-And while I thought the movie was good, I don't see it as perfect as some people put it, in fact, far from it.

LegendaryCaleb 03-15-2009 01:11 PM

Re: Where does most of TDK's critisism come from?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by thedarks0ldier (Post 16599983)
Marvel sore losers

i agree.

Boom 03-15-2009 01:49 PM

Re: Where does most of TDK's critisism come from?
 
Truth be told, I believe most of the criticism comes from the fact that the hype surrounding the movie was blown out of proportion.

Seriously. The one thing that is universally claimed by naysayers is that the film is overrated, which it very well may be. Only time will tell to see who is right.

Rolf 03-15-2009 03:04 PM

Re: Where does most of TDK's critisism come from?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Boom (Post 16600875)
Truth be told, I believe most of the criticism comes from the fact that the hype surrounding the movie was too extreme.

Seriously. The one thing that is universally claimed by naysayers is that the film is overrated, which it very well may be. Only time will tell to see who is right.

It is a bit overated, not as good a BB.

blightsbiohazar 03-15-2009 06:07 PM

Re: Where does most of TDK's critisism come from?
 
Most of the criticism comes from people whose lives amount to nothing who are miserable failures who want to diss something that is very successful to feel better about themselves.

SuperFerret 03-15-2009 06:18 PM

Re: Where does most of TDK's critisism come from?
 
I've fallen out of being a fan of TDK for a few reasons.

1) People like this:

Quote:

Originally Posted by blightsbiohazar (Post 16602057)
Most of the criticism comes from people whose lives amount to nothing who are miserable failures who want to diss something that is very successful to feel better about themselves.

Honestly, the success of the film doesn't matter to me. Sure, I have my doubts considering the reasons for such, but in the end it doesn't matter, as being successful doesn't change the movie itself.

2) It lacks the same feeling upon watching it again. The suspense doesn't stay with each viewing, and you miss the feeling you should have. It's like watching Psycho knowing what the deal is with Norman Bates, it's not as good as it would be if you hadn't seen it already.

3) It takes itself way too seriously, ironic for a film showcasing the Joker.

4) The look of Ledger's Joker bothers me. This is a VERY recent thing (stemming from the last time I watched it), and I'm almost ashamed to admit it, as I'm usually not the comic purist type. It's not a major reason, or one that I'll defend, but it does bother me.

Sarge 2.0 03-15-2009 06:51 PM

Re: Where does most of TDK's critisism come from?
 
The sloppiness of Chris Nolan's directing, some poor editing problems, gaps in logic, etc.

The movie is far from perfect.

OctaviusINC 03-15-2009 07:20 PM

Re: Where does most of TDK's critisism come from?
 
It got too trendy too quick. This thread is an example of that. It got an extreme amount of hype, and it lived up to it for the most part. Ledger's death added A LOT to the film's popularity and people's view of the Joker character. Everybody loved this film July 18th, but now everyone's going against it for, I don't know, to be unique and cool I guess.

Apparently Nolan's a "sloppy" director and made bad editing choices all of a sudden. I think TDK is a Batman fan's wet dream. I think it's a great film for a non-batfan. I think it's a great movie on it's own.

Soon "hating" TDK will get old and in a year or 2 from now it'll be "cool" again. I think Nolan was ****ed no matter what he did. Whether he made a terrible film or an amazing film he's ****ed. Just like Snyder and Watchmen.

TDK proves you can't please the fans. Ever. With anything. The fans are like preteen girls constantly menstruating. One day they'll like it and *Boom* the next week they don't. **** you guys. I love it.

Sarge 2.0 03-15-2009 07:23 PM

Re: Where does most of TDK's critisism come from?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by OctaviousINC (Post 16602352)
It got too trendy too quick. This thread is an example of that. It got an extreme amount of hype, and it lived up to it for the most part. Ledger's death added A LOT to the film's popularity and people's view of the Joker character. Everybody loved this film July 18th, but now everyone's going against it for, I don't know, to be unique and cool I guess.

Apparently Nolan's a "sloppy" director and made bad editing choices all of a sudden. I think TDK is a Batman fan's wet dream. I think it's a great film for a non-batfan. I think it's a great movie on it's own.

Soon "hating" TDK will get old and in a year or 2 from now it'll be "cool" again. I think Nolan was ****ed no matter what he did. Whether he made a terrible film or an amazing film he's ****ed. Just like Snyder and Watchmen.

TDK proves you can't please the fans. Ever. With anything. The fans are like preteen girls constantly menstruating. One day they'll like it and *Boom* the next week they don't. **** you guys. I love it.

It's not "all of the sudden". Critics like Jim Emerson have been making those points since the film came out. Just deal with the fact that the film has flaws, especially as far as editing and staging are concerned.

OctaviusINC 03-15-2009 07:32 PM

Re: Where does most of TDK's critisism come from?
 
The movie has been out for less then a year. It was adored and now gets bashed quite often in places like this. Pretty sudden. And of course it has flaws.When you really analyze Joker's plan it's outrageously intricate.There's no way anyone could pull that off. Personally I had no problem with the editing and staging. And I could care less what critics have to say. I don't even know who Jim Emerson is. And I could "deal with that fact that the film has flaws". Duh. The people who pick out the flaws are the ones who can't deal with it. That's why their picking out the flaws in the first place. It's just a movie. I swear the "Why So Serious?" tagline couldn't have rang any truer.

Sarge 2.0 03-15-2009 07:34 PM

Re: Where does most of TDK's critisism come from?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by OctaviousINC (Post 16602427)
The movie has been out for less then a year. It was adored and now gets bashed quite often in places like this. Pretty sudden. And of course it has flaws.When you really analyze Joker's plan it's outrageously intricate.There's no way anyone could pull that off. Personally I had no problem with the editing and staging. And I could care less what critics have to say. I don't even know who Jim Emerson is. And I could "deal with that fact that the film has flaws". Duh. The people who pick out the flaws are the ones who can't deal with it. That's why their picking out the flaws in the first place. It's just a movie. I swear the "Why So Serious?" tagline couldn't have rang any truer.

A lot of people who chose to point out the films flaws were those who wished to cut through the hype and engage in serious criticism. Because it's their job. When you've got TDK fanboys proclaiming it to be the greatest movie ever made, I think some people ought to speak up and set them straight. And I love TDK, I just accept its flaws and dont allow them to deter my enjoyment of the film.

Eggyman 03-15-2009 07:39 PM

Re: Where does most of TDK's critisism come from?
 
From people who don't like the fans.

OctaviusINC 03-15-2009 07:40 PM

Re: Where does most of TDK's critisism come from?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sarge 2.0 (Post 16602440)
A lot of people who chose to point out the films flaws were those who wished to cut through the hype and engage in serious criticism. Because it's their job. When you've got TDK fanboys proclaiming it to be the greatest movie ever made, I think some people ought to speak up and set them straight. And I love TDK, I just accept its flaws and dont allow them to deter my enjoyment of the film.

I definetly get what your saying. And I agree. The fanboy proclamation of TDK as the 2nd coming was a bit annoying. Maybe it didn't bug me as much because I don't frequent the message boards (the only place where I seem to encounter fanboys) but knocking some reality into them is only human haha. And I also feel the same way with your last sentence.

Travesty 03-16-2009 09:20 AM

Re: Where does most of TDK's critisism come from?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by OctaviousINC (Post 16602427)
The movie has been out for less then a year. It was adored and now gets bashed quite often in places like this. Pretty sudden. And of course it has flaws.When you really analyze Joker's plan it's outrageously intricate.There's no way anyone could pull that off. Personally I had no problem with the editing and staging. And I could care less what critics have to say. I don't even know who Jim Emerson is. And I could "deal with that fact that the film has flaws". Duh. The people who pick out the flaws are the ones who can't deal with it. That's why their picking out the flaws in the first place. It's just a movie. I swear the "Why So Serious?" tagline couldn't have rang any truer.

You shouldn't be so blind to categorize everybody in one conscious whole. I was more then excited for the movie leading up to the opening day. Once I saw it, I've had the same issues that I talk about. Trust me, I wanted the movie to be amazing, I wanted it to do well, and it has, but to me, it was far from what I was expecting/wanting in a Batman movie. TDK is a good movie, but again, it just doesn't feel like a Batman movie to me. What it feels like to me, is a mix of The Bourne Identity, plus James Bond, wearing a helmet with ears. It deviated so far from the atmosphere that was established in Begins, that it doesn't even feel like TDK and BB are in the same universe.

Its like being extremely thirsty, and wanting a drink really bad. Your friend keeps telling you about a vending machine filled with Coke-Cola in it, and then you start to think about how good the Coke will be. Well, your friend was mistaken, and it happens to be a Pepsi machine. Of course you're going to go ahead and buy the Pepsi cause you're so thirsty, but your heart was set on a Coke. The Pepsi is still good, but its just not what you were hoping for. Its not like its the end of the world, but at the end of the day, you would have preferred a Coke. Ya dig?

MysterioMenace 03-16-2009 09:36 AM

Re: Where does most of TDK's critisism come from?
 
The real answer’s realists. It’s not perfect. I love the film, but there’s room for improvement. It's not flawless.

OctaviusINC 03-16-2009 10:19 AM

Re: Where does most of TDK's critisism come from?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Travesty (Post 16604517)
You shouldn't be so blind to categorize everybody in one conscious whole. I was more then excited for the movie leading up to the opening day. Once I saw it, I've had the same issues that I talk about. Trust me, I wanted the movie to be amazing, I wanted it to do well, and it has, but to me, it was far from what I was expecting/wanting in a Batman movie. TDK is a good movie, but again, it just doesn't feel like a Batman movie to me. What it feels like to me, is a mix of The Bourne Identity, plus James Bond, wearing a helmet with ears. It deviated so far from the atmosphere that was established in Begins, that it doesn't even feel like TDK and BB are in the same universe.

Its like being extremely thirsty, and wanting a drink really bad. Your friend keeps telling you about a vending machine filled with Coke-Cola in it, and then you start to think about how good the Coke will be. Well, your friend was mistaken, and it happens to be a Pepsi machine. Of course your going to go ahead and buy the Pepsi cause your so thirsty, but your heart was set on a Coke. The Pepsi is still good, but its just not what you were hoping for. Its not like its the end of the world, but at the end of the day, you would have preferred a Coke. Ya dig?

I dig. And I understand your frustration. I agree that BB's atmosphere is quite different than TDK. Personally I'm not a huge fan of BB. I like it. But it's forgettable to me. Different strokes for different folks I guess. And I don't mean to categorize everyone as a whole, but I tend to see extreme fanboy love for this movie or the good 'ol fashioned "**** TDK" attitude. I guess I tend to overlook the "normal" viewers.

Good analogy btw.

voyzovrezon 03-16-2009 03:56 PM

Re: Where does most of TDK's critisism come from?
 
I voted #10 in the poll. I read that criticism from liberals on a couple of political message boards I frequent. The controversy is what got me interested to see the film in the first place. I remember hearing about how Glenn Beck raved about the film and how it's ethics and morals were borrowed straight from conservative ideology and the Bush administration. The ending especially got up some dander. It seemed Orwellian in that it's conclusion was all about believing myths because sometimes lies are better for society as a whole and that our own "truth" can be found in lies.

And that is my main criticism of the film. I think George W. Bush changed this country forever. We can't go back to the way things were exactly and that's what The Joker told Batman about his presence in Gotham.

As for the Joker and his make-up, I though it was brilliant because it's hard to see a psycho like him going to the beauty salon every day and getting a perfect clown face put on like Jack Nicholson or even Ceaser Romero. Ledger wanted the look to be something the Joker would put on himself. And it's scary as ****!

ultimatefan 03-16-2009 04:17 PM

Re: Where does most of TDK's critisism come from?
 
There is a level of valid criticism, evn though I myself hardly find anything to really complain about, but in most cases what do you see around here is Burtonites and Marvel fanboys who had an axe to grinde on Nolan´s Batman before the first scene of BB was ever shot. Like on AICN, you also get a lot of know-it-alls who desperately look for flaws because they´re frustrated writers/directors themselves. Some critics are the "what do these silly comics want pretending to be valid art?" types, who ironically usually write very poorly-thought and superficial reviews themselves.

ChrisB 03-16-2009 04:18 PM

Re: Where does most of TDK's critisism come from?
 
Add an option for "Bale's Bat-Voice"

Daredevil_2003 03-17-2009 03:27 AM

Re: Where does most of TDK's critisism come from?
 
Realistically, the complaints mainly seem to be from those against the grain types who want to incite fanboy rage or just separate themselves from the crowd by calling the new big thing overrated or crap or blah blah blah.

Honestly, the only complaints I can see are the voice. And even that's far exaggerated into the realm of nitpicking. The rest is just purists *****ing about the suit or the 'realism' and the aforementioned douches who don't like being part of the hype. I guess it brings them too close to the stupid mainstream that they are so, liek, totally not a part of. Cause ya know, they're unique and special.

I don't think the movie's flawless, myself. But it still holds up after well over 2 dozen viewings. Most complaints are more like nitpicks.


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