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Agreed.

I appreciate the G1 design and some of the stories but like Figs said the 80's cartoon was and still is incredibly cheesy.

The "Transformers" series only started picking up when it came to thoughtful storytelling and slightly deeper explorations of the main characters in "Beast Wars". Despite the fact that these character were descendants of the original Transformers and now changed their faction names (Maximals/Autobots, Predecons/Decepticons) they were far more interesting than their forefathers with all due respect.

"Beast Wars" also was the first to use Optimus Primal mouth when talking instead of having the faceplate. This is something animators came to realize was important for the character to emote.

I really don't understand most of the complaining as the film has been faithful in the sense of capturing elements from the various animated incarnations we've seen over the past years.

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Facial cues are expressed in more ways than just through the eyes. It makes no sense why Optimus would have a faceplate on 24/7.

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it's your personal perference if you like beast wars over G1...u can't say it started to pick up during Beast Wars..cuz TF'ers has always been popular with the kids

i also find it funny when people say the cartoon was "cheesy", really it was?? no ish..it's a cartoon...it's suppose to be..who looks at a cartoon and expect something more out of it..do u ever sit down and watch anything on the disney channel? It's cheesy..cuz it's suppose to be...

i mean i can sit down and watch an old 80s cartoon and not be appauled given the year and the genre that's it's under...

i think a lot of you guys keep thinking people want the exact same thing from the cartoon..and that's not the case...yes somethings referenced from the cartoon..but not the cartoon in itself onto the live action screen..it's a misconcepation that gets used too much on here...

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hypothetical....and this might hard..but if optimus had the face plate on ..and there never was lips...would u really sit there and say..."that makes no sense"?

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The cartoon was cheesy.

So were the comics.

So are the movies, in a lot of ways.

The very idea of alien robots who happen to look like Earth vehicles before they've ever been to Earth is ridiculous. The very idea of alien robot warriors who disguise themselves as vehicles is pretty cheesy anyway you slice it. It's also cool.

Cheese isn't always a bad thing if it's cool enough. It depends on the execution.

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I guarantee you there would be people talking about his lack of emotional range.

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It makes sense that Bay knew that seeing him talk would give depth to the character. It makes no sense wanting him to wear his face plate 24/7 and it makes no sense to come up with hypothetical what ifs. I understand the choice behind the design and it is easy to see that choice. Making a character more human was the goal because that makes these robots relate able to the audience.

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And saying "No, I don't accept that...or that...or that..." and hating the entire movie accomplishes what, exactly?

The movie is still going to have the same elements in it, whether we choose to enjoy them or not.

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Most not all but yes...most fanboys do in fact want an exact live action version just like the cartoon. You may not be that extreme but I'll say again, Most are.

I understand with most of the internet community everything must be super serious and "EPIC" but frankly I don't necessarily need that in ALL of the films I watch. Transformers which is essentially two factions of robots duking it out is an idea or concept that I don't mind if we got the slightly dumbed down version instead of some super drama that will somehow leave you touched as you walk out of the theatre.

Also, Disney's full length animated movies(not sure about Disney channel if they have lame or cheesy shows on their)old and somewhat new are all cartoons as well but they're not exactly cheesy. Or cheesy in the same manner as Saturday Morning cartoons. Just because something is a cartoon does not make it cheesy or means that it has to be.

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And you completely missed my point. :dry:

Did I ever say that G1 wasn't popular with "the kids"? No.

I only stated that the "Transformers" as a series picked up in storytelling and character development when "Beast Wars" hit the airwaves. This isn't a matter of opinion but something gladly admitted by fans of the TF franchise. The writers were just better than the one's working back in the 80's on 30 minute promo ads for Hasbro. Sorry to break it to you.

Expecting the films to references G1 only and adhere to all its designs and dialogue and other simple trauma then you would have one cluncky movie.

Why is there a problem in embracing the franchise as a whole instead of just looking at G1 for complete guidance?

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You guys kick Bay out to the curb, but watch, the next TF movie's director will be like Brett Ratner.

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Bay quitting Transformers 3? No

He makes some good points. I also forgot about this article from a while back from when Michael made some comments on his "shoot for the edit" forum.

Bay will probably just make whatever movie he wants thats not "Transformers" related. The question that remains really is if Paramount is willing to wait for Bay?

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Are you kidding me? There are many directors out there that can write crap characters, blow sh** up, slo-mo us to death, and edit action scenes down to a nanosecond. Bay is nothing special. Hell, Tony Scott could direct Transformers and you wouldn't know the difference.

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Bay doesn't write the scripts. I think it is hilarious that a lot of people blame problems with the script on the directors.

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I detested the retractable faceplate but came to love it and Prime's mouth. Its true that he would emote a lot less if he had it on all the time. But even during the battles, it seems that Bay will knock it off him.

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Beast Wars is widely considered as the best TF series ever. G1 just cant compare, even though it had the original Prime and Megatron. The direction, storylines and characters were so much better in BW.

I guess this board is full of Geewunners with no logic now. Jesus guys, take off your nostalgia goggles or invent a time machine and go back to the 80ies and watch your Saturday morning cartoons. I am glad Bay evolved the designs and took some freedom with the characters. Its been 20 years now. Every franchise should evolve to go with the times. Just because some geek chose the VW beetle as Bee's alt mode doesnt mean that another car would be so bad. Is everything so perfect with G1? Did they make no mistakes, no bad choices? Is there really that big a difference that Bee is now a Camaro? Is it so bad that Megatron looks scarier and doesnt transform into a tiny gun now (ridiculous)? Cry more.....

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G1 designs could work fine. Check out this boxy atrocity.

http://gizmodo.com/5289548/activated...kinlutely-zomg

Imagine that in motion.:eek:

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He's not out. He'll just take an one year vaction. No TF3 until 2012.

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Sorry but that looks lame compared to what Bay has given us already.

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Grew up watching Beast Wars and I agree...it was great.

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You know what? McG could do a much better job!
What does Bay do that's so special? Just a bunch of explosions and noise?
And pathetic, immature, juvenile humor...

Anybody can do that! It takes real skill to put some heart and soul into film.

Also, get rid of that female Gollum Megan Fox please....

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What does McG do that is so special?

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Oh he'll be back.

As they say, $$$$ talks, and BS walks.

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it's not about the motion

it's the functional transforming


as far as bay quitting?

...stupid if you believe that?

the man who has had more success in the face of of critics and detractors is all of a sudden a fed up with the amount of "unfair" critiques?
leading up to his biggest movie ever?

right:whatever:

the man wants an extra year to make a film that would be less taxing on him and shut ppl up
if he doesn't get that year...
he probably will quit.

he'll get the year tho
no exec want's to loose their job.

if he did quit(LL or abrams are the only people who could maybe pull off a third film)




0:25 - 1:13 is some of the most action immersive camera work ever seen

especially @ 1:04 and 1:07

(singer and faverau take note)

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You know you have made it when you have an entire board dedicated to you.:D

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I thought is was fishy that Bay was walking away from a possible 100 million dollar payday.

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He doesn't and won't get 100 million bucks.

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Do not compare the likes G1 Transformers to Mobile Suit Gundam.

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While I'm not a huge Bay fan, I'd prefer that whatever films are to come in the future should remain his, though it would be interesting to see what another director would do with the movies.

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The differences are negligible. :o

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If he got 75 million for TF2 why wouldn't he get 100 million for the sequel?

http://movies.yahoo.com/feature/tran...paychecks.html

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Don't let the door hit ya on the ass on the way out. And take the ****ing retard twins with ya.

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No, they aren't. Go look at some of the other Mobile Suit designs throughout the years. You'll see that they are worlds apart.

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well that gundam looks like Optimus Prime.

just needs the red and blue paint job.

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Gundam has been around since '79 and the first Transformers toys had repainted Macross figures in the line. So there are inevitable visual similarities, but mostly because Hasbro wasn't very that interested in originality.

I'm far from Bay's biggest admirer, but I'm fine with him directing Transformers 3. At this point, it's too late to change the tone/approach and Roland Emmerich is the closest to Bay you'll get. It'd be better if he finished his film trilogy before calling it quits.

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This admittedly made me laugh pretty hard (in a good way) and this is coming from someone who is looking forward to the movie. :hehe:

Also don't cheer to early, it looks like the originator of the report misconstrued what Bay had to say.

Well there you have it from Bay himself.

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Wow, makes sense... I mean, does anyone REALLY believe Bay would say he wanted to do a movie with no explosions!? :wow:

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yes, and he is

he's quoted as saying his next film will be a smaller less summery film

I bet the starter of this thread has egg on his face, he's like a bad journalist.

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Good to see Bay is staying.

I was actually kinda saddened thinking we wouldn't get a third movie from him when I read the news this morning.

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http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f3...wan-kenobi.jpg

"It's as if a thousand G1 fanboys shouted out in smug, and were then silenced."

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Well... It was good while it lasted...

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..........ha!

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Hehe. :D :up:

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You best be joking man!

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I didn't ask about what you felt about it or the purpose of it...

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Transformers 3 in 2012, baby! :up:

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no u missed my approach...that's your personnal opinion (along with others) i'm sure there are plenty of people who prefer the G1 series storytelling over other series...you guys come in here and make generalization not realizing how many people or fans they truly are...not putting down any other genre of TF's..but your fans of the "beast wars" ok cool..don't u think "G1" fans wouldn't think different..i mean seriously..u guys kill me on here...

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I already said that I was skeptical about Bay leaving TF3, and I was right. Before TF, Bay's movies weren't doing that well, and this franchise really resuscitate his career. If TF3 turns out to be a blockbuster, I'm sure he'll contemplate making a 4th as well.

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I'm skeptical that he'd want to stay on for a fourth movie. I think most high-profile directors have one good trilogy in them, but after they get it out of them they usually try to diversify their work. I think once Bay has done Transformers 3, he'll probably want to do something new and original. If they must continue making Transformers movies after TF3, I'd say the franchise should have a break for about 5 years, and then they can come back and do a "next generation" type movie with a new direction and mostly new cast and crew.