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dru-zod2501 06-20-2009 02:11 AM

Batman should die in the next film!
 
I say that in all seriousness. I think if Bruce dies in the 3rd movie it would be the perfect cap to arguably the best comic book movie series to date.

Fans have been saying since Begins, The hyper-realism of Nolanverse leaves little room to explore the other, more far-out elements of the Bat mythos, that and Nolan himself has said several times there are characters and elements that have no place in his world and he never wants to use them.

I say fine, let someone else come in and do their own Batman their own way. But after Nolan leaves don't do us the disservice of making a "pseudo-sequel" a la Superman Returns & Batman Forever where no one but the director knows for sure whether it follows anything that came before. It's a ******** gimmick that causes more problems than it solves.

since this is kind of an elseworlds Batman story, there's no reason to keep it open ended like other stories. Unlike the previous series, Nolan's movies form a much more cohesive narrative, and that narrative needs a true, definitive ending in order to feel complete. How would any of you feel if they changed the ending of "Return of The King" in the hopes of milking a 4th LoTR movie? The height of absurdity, right?



It's almost a sure bet that Joker won't be back without Heath Ledger (as it should be), but the ambiguity of Two-Face's fate means he can be brought back without much difficulty. This serves several purposes:

1: Gordon & Batman's worst fears are realized, the myth of Harvey Dent is shattered as Gotham is forced to face the ugly truth and uglier face of its once revered savior

2: It means Batman can be vindicated, at least in the eyes of the public, they might finally realize that Bruce really was the hero they deserved AND needed all along.

3: C'mon... Two-Face is too good a villain not to give him a chance to wreak major havoc:word:


Two-Face should go for broke, he should be hell-bent on burning Gotham to the ground (or at least half of it). During the course of the action something will happen, and Batman has no choice but to rush headlong into a situation he knows he probably won't survive, but he never wavers even for a moment, as long as he can draw a breath Gotham will survive. Two-Face is finally defeated and dies conclusively as Bruce dies as well.

He lived as a warrior, let him die a warrior's death. Alfred remains to tell the story and set the records straight. In the end Bruce Wayne did just what he said he'd do back in "Begins," he returned long enough to show his people their city didn't belong to the criminals and the corrupt.

You could tell me I'm crazy, but I know I'm not. How ballsy would that be, if Nolan had the guts to kill off the hero in the end? And not just any hero, THE GODDAMN BATMAN!

[A] 06-20-2009 02:14 AM

Re: Batman should die in the next film!
 
:eek:

JaD 06-20-2009 02:48 AM

Re: Batman should die in the next film!
 
You know, I'm not gonna lie. I swear I was thinking about something like this a while ago. I kept thinking about how amazing it would be if Nolan did something like this, like in the 3rd movie what if Batman sacrifices himself to save a ton of people in the end, and it turns into a "The Legend Of The Dark Knight" type of ending (or movie). I don't think this idea is too crazy at all. It'd be a ballsy yet groundbreaking move in the cbm genre, it's not like he hasn't already broke some ground with his first 2 Batman movies :brucebat:

dru-zod2501 06-20-2009 03:47 AM

Re: Batman should die in the next film!
 
then for ****s n giggles, the fat guys in hockey pads take to the streets once again in memory of their fallen hero:oldrazz::grin:

bane 06-20-2009 04:39 AM

Re: Batman should die in the next film!
 
I think Alfred will die in the 3rd movie, so that Bruce can be completely lost in his monster of his.

kedrell 06-20-2009 05:40 AM

Re: Batman should die in the next film!
 
I'd be on board with that. They're never going to stop making Batman films, no matter who's directing. And Nolan/Bale were never gonna stick around forever. The future awaits.

Gexmeister 06-20-2009 07:40 AM

Re: Batman should die in the next film!
 
At first, it sounds crazy, but then it kinda makes sense. It'd fit thematically.

Besides, as kedrell said, there are always gonna be more Batman-movies, so it's not like they'd be killing him off permanently, just for the Nolan series. That'd also be a good way to make sure that this particular series does not continue. We all know what would happen otherwise, the movies after the third would inevitably start veering more into the fantastical.

Bathead 06-20-2009 08:05 AM

Re: Batman should die in the next film!
 
No. It's not "ballsy" or groundbreaking, it's a stupid idea all the way around.

dru-zod2501 06-20-2009 01:30 PM

Re: Batman should die in the next film!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bathead (Post 17083299)
No. It's not "ballsy" or groundbreaking, it's a stupid idea all the way around.

the all around stupid idea would be Batman 4 and on, rehashing the same used mobster plots with a nutjob baddie thrown in the mix.

This is something that hasn't been covered in movies in any real detail, the end of the hero's career. If anyone can do it, I'm sure Nolan could do it and do it well

El Payaso 06-20-2009 01:37 PM

Re: Batman should die in the next film!
 
In the last scene Scarecrow is all happy that Batman died and he goes out to take over Gotham... untill he finds a girl with a tazer.

BatFan88 06-20-2009 01:42 PM

Re: Batman should die in the next film!
 
I don't think batman most die.than they are going to far,much fans will really be mad i think.

El Payaso 06-20-2009 01:44 PM

Re: Batman should die in the next film!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BatFan88 (Post 17084014)
I don't think batman most die.than they are going to far,much fans will really be mad i think.

That alone is more than enough reason to do it. :joker:

AnorexicBatman 06-20-2009 01:56 PM

Re: Batman should die in the next film!
 
I will personally place Nolan and Bale in two separate warehouses in Chicago packed with explosives and rigged to blow and give the Warner exec the chance to choose which one he wants to save ...

If they dare to kill Bruce, Alfred, Fox or Gordon....

Two-Face 06-20-2009 01:57 PM

Re: Batman should die in the next film!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dru-zod2501 (Post 17082979)
I say that in all seriousness. I think if Bruce dies in the 3rd movie it would be the perfect cap to arguably the best comic book movie series to date.

Fans have been saying since Begins, The hyper-realism of Nolanverse leaves little room to explore the other, more far-out elements of the Bat mythos, that and Nolan himself has said several times there are characters and elements that have no place in his world and he never wants to use them.

I say fine, let someone else come in and do their own Batman their own way. But after Nolan leaves don't do us the disservice of making a "pseudo-sequel" a la Superman Returns & Batman Forever where no one but the director knows for sure whether it follows anything that came before. It's a ******** gimmick that causes more problems than it solves.

since this is kind of an elseworlds Batman story, there's no reason to keep it open ended like other stories. Unlike the previous series, Nolan's movies form a much more cohesive narrative, and that narrative needs a true, definitive ending in order to feel complete. How would any of you feel if they changed the ending of "Return of The King" in the hopes of milking a 4th LoTR movie? The height of absurdity, right?



It's almost a sure bet that Joker won't be back without Heath Ledger (as it should be), but the ambiguity of Two-Face's fate means he can be brought back without much difficulty. This serves several purposes:

1: Gordon & Batman's worst fears are realized, the myth of Harvey Dent is shattered as Gotham is forced to face the ugly truth and uglier face of its once revered savior

2: It means Batman can be vindicated, at least in the eyes of the public, they might finally realize that Bruce really was the hero they deserved AND needed all along.

3: C'mon... Two-Face is too good a villain not to give him a chance to wreak major havoc:word:


Two-Face should go for broke, he should be hell-bent on burning Gotham to the ground (or at least half of it). During the course of the action something will happen, and Batman has no choice but to rush headlong into a situation he knows he probably won't survive, but he never wavers even for a moment, as long as he can draw a breath Gotham will survive. Two-Face is finally defeated and dies conclusively as Bruce dies as well.

He lived as a warrior, let him die a warrior's death. Alfred remains to tell the story and set the records straight. In the end Bruce Wayne did just what he said he'd do back in "Begins," he returned long enough to show his people their city didn't belong to the criminals and the corrupt.

You could tell me I'm crazy, but I know I'm not. How ballsy would that be, if Nolan had the guts to kill off the hero in the end? And not just any hero, THE GODDAMN BATMAN!


Think about what you done......:cmad::hehe:

kedrell 06-20-2009 02:48 PM

Re: Batman should die in the next film!
 
I don't think it's axiomatic that Batman must die at the end of the 3rd film(I do think it would work, though), but I damn sure don't want whoever's taking over this franchise after Nolan & Co. to go around imitating what Nolan did. Have your own damn vision, future Batman director guy!

Milu 06-20-2009 07:57 PM

Re: Batman should die in the next film!
 
Why kill off Batman?

Trying to be 'different and edgy' all the time is not always a good thing, you know.

BatmanForNever 06-20-2009 08:26 PM

Re: Batman should die in the next film!
 
I think he should fake his death, and return with a pose of Batmen!!!!

kedrell 06-20-2009 08:32 PM

Re: Batman should die in the next film!
 
It wouldn't merely be to be "edgy and different". If that was the only reason then I'd consider that to be a poor excuse to do that. It would be to bookend Nolan/Bale's run and open the door wide open for a new take on the franchise. Hopefully one that would enable Batman to fit in more with stuff like the other DC heroes or employ more of his more fantastical villains.

shingi70 06-20-2009 08:43 PM

Re: Batman should die in the next film!
 
thruthfully why cant they veer off into the werid bat mythos stuff? I know nolans batman is realstic but wasnt the point off the dark knight and oringal bob kane series was esclation. The more batman pushed the response was the werider villans and bad guys .

plus i want to see christan bale in the JL movie it would make for some great interaction between bats and these super super heroes.

also isnt it possible to make pausible origins for people like clayface and killer kroc.

bunk 06-20-2009 09:00 PM

Re: Batman should die in the next film!
 
Bruce has only gotten to be Batman for a couple of years in the Nolanverse so far. Why kill him off so early on? They've barely scratched the surface with him.

kedrell 06-20-2009 09:05 PM

Re: Batman should die in the next film!
 
^Because Nolan and Bale are likely to do only one more movie, at most I'd say.

Spider-Vader 06-20-2009 11:10 PM

Re: Batman should die in the next film!
 
I say no. Who wants to see Batman die? Hell DC didn't even really kill him in the comics. There's no way he'll die.

bunk 06-21-2009 12:37 AM

Re: Batman should die in the next film!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kedrell (Post 17085295)
^Because Nolan and Bale are likely to do only one more movie, at most I'd say.


So... they should kill off Batman rather than have another actor play him? Seems a bit drastic to me.

Punk&ComicBooks 06-21-2009 01:46 PM

Re: Batman should die in the next film!
 
If some director wanted to make a "pseudo sequel" to the nolan franchise its not the director you have to go after with torches and pitchforks...its WB for giving it the green light...btw just because we havent really had a good "pseudo sequel" yet doesnt mean its not possible for one to actually be liked by us you can always grow to the idea if you stay open minded I mean look what happend when we all saw that the jokers white face is just makeup and not his real skin...a lot of people were upset but what they lacked for in appearance they made up very much and then some staying true to character (which is what really matters). The point is ya never know (not that i liked BF or B&R) but to kill off batman just to sever any chance of trying to continue from that i think is...yea just not good lol

Drz 06-21-2009 01:54 PM

Re: Batman should die in the next film!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Spider-Vader (Post 17085784)
I say no. Who wants to see Batman die? Hell DC didn't even really kill him in the comics. There's no way he'll die.

Didn't Batman die in the Silver Age world? Where he married Catwoman and they gave birth to Huntress. :p

Point: Elseworld stories are always elseworld. ^^ Its like saying villains can't die in movies because they don't die in comics. =P


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