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Chris Wallace 02-04-2011 07:41 AM

My personal wish list
 
Things I DON'T want:
An origin story. We don't need to see Krypton explode ever again.
ANY references whatsoever to the Donner films. NO Brando voice-overs, no Williams score, no 70's atmosphere, nothing.
Ditto on Returns. Let's forget we ever saw that kid or watched Supes go to the ER after lifting 800 million tons of kryptonite into space.:whatever:
Kryptonite. We've seen it thousands of times. We know what it is, what it does. Let's find something else that can pose a threat to Supes, shall we?
A nerdy Clark Kent. There are other ways to distance him from Superman.
Things I do want:
Lex Luthor. But the way we've known him over the last 30 years. As a corrupt, conniving CEO. A behind-the-scenes manipulator. Not the laughable parody of a supervillain we've seen in previous films.
Lois knowing full well that Clark is Superman. And let them already be in a relationship. Why go backwards?
A real show of Superman's varying powers. But don't make up powers for the sake of a scene. Ugh.
A faithful, brightly colored costume. Let's not repeat that mistake. And for God's sake no leather or rubber.

BH/HHH 02-04-2011 07:48 AM

Re: My personal wish list
 
How do you know it won't be an origin without going too much into the Krypton stuff?

My personal wishlist is just that its a compelling, exciting, roller coaster ride that is somewhat faithful to the Superman mythos. If it has the origin incorporated and its integral to the story then I'm all for it. End of the day I want the best Superman film they can make.

Rust 02-04-2011 07:50 AM

Re: My personal wish list
 
A capable lead actor first and foremost this time. Which we're likely getting. Chemistry, chemistry, CHEMISTRY!

Chris Wallace 02-04-2011 07:51 AM

Re: My personal wish list
 
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Originally Posted by BH/HHH (Post 19642016)
How do you know it won't be an origin without going too much into the Krypton stuff?

I never said I did. And your phrasing is confusing. One begets the other.

BH/HHH 02-04-2011 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Wallace (Post 19642030)
I never said I did. And your phrasing is confusing. One begets the other.

Yeah it doesnt make sense just read it back ha ha

What I meant was they might not use the Krypton stuff anyway they didnt in Birthright (at least not alot of it at the start) and its supposed to be based on Birthright if rumours are to be believed.

Lencho01 02-04-2011 08:10 AM

Re: My personal wish list
 
I pretty much agree with your list.

To add to Lois knowing - don't make the relationship like it is on Smallville.

Kal-El.9859 02-04-2011 08:11 AM

Re: My personal wish list
 
I wouldn't mind a origin story...just not a long, drawn out story. It's a REBOOT...you can't jump right in to Lois and Superman having a relationship. Kids who have never seen a Superman Movie would be missing out. Especially on a new retelling of his origin unlike the one told in the original. So I honestly don't agree with one thing in your wish list Chris, sorry man it's just not a very good list

BH/HHH 02-04-2011 08:11 AM

Re: My personal wish list
 
Yeah you have to build up Superman and Lois' relationship.

elgaz 02-04-2011 08:32 AM

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Quote:

Things I DON'T want:
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An origin story. We don't need to see Krypton explode ever again.
Disagree - slightly. I don't want to see a huge amount of screen time on origin, but we have to accept that there will likely be a new generation of viewers (younger ones) coming to this who may not be as familiar with the earlier films or Superman's origins as we are here on this fan forum. A short exposition won't hurt.

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ANY references whatsoever to the Donner films.
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NO Brando voice-overs, no Williams score, no 70's atmosphere, nothing.
Agree totally, this has to be a new film that stands on it's own two feet.

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Ditto on Returns.
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Let's forget we ever saw that kid or watched Supes go to the ER after lifting 800 million tons of kryptonite into space.:whatever:
Agree again

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Kryptonite. We've seen it thousands of times. We know what it is, what it does. Let's find something else that can pose a threat to Supes, shall we?
I agree in principle, I'm sick of Kryptonite also. However we must remember that in the absence of a suitable villain, there's really nothing else on Earth which can pose any kind of threat to Superman bar Kryptonite. And there's a danger that having a main hero who can't be hurt removes any kind of tension from the film. The only way round that is to have a very complex bad guy who threatens to hurt those people around Superman (Lois, the Kents, etc) to get at him.

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A nerdy Clark Kent.
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There are other ways to distance him from Superman.
Agreed. S:TALC and Smallville have shown that 'normal' Clark works just fine, he doesn't need to be a bumbling nerd.

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Things I do want:
Lex Luthor. But the way we've known him over the last 30 years. As a corrupt, conniving CEO. A behind-the-scenes manipulator. Not the laughable parody of a supervillain we've seen in previous films.
Agree, it's time we saw LuthorCorp Lex.

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Lois knowing full well that Clark is Superman.
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And let them already be in a relationship. Why go backwards?
Personally I prefer the fun they can have with her not knowing.

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A real show of Superman's varying powers.
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But don't make up powers for the sake of a scene. Ugh.
YES! Let's see him doing more than just lifting .............. really heavy things. I'd like to see Superman throw a punch at someone.

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A faithful, brightly colored costume.
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Let's not repeat that mistake. And for God's sake no leather or rubber.
I have faith that Snyder will deliver in the costumer department, he's done so in his other movies.

Kal-El.9859 02-04-2011 08:36 AM

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I wanna see Superman uppercut the crap outta bad guy to where he soars up into the sky, Superman flies up after him and slams him into the ground...awesomeness

sf2 02-04-2011 08:53 AM

Re: My personal wish list
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Wallace (Post 19641979)
Things I DON'T want:
An origin story. We don't need to see Krypton explode ever again.
ANY references whatsoever to the Donner films. NO Brando voice-overs, no Williams score, no 70's atmosphere, nothing.
Ditto on Returns. Let's forget we ever saw that kid or watched Supes go to the ER after lifting 800 million tons of kryptonite into space.:whatever:
Kryptonite. We've seen it thousands of times. We know what it is, what it does. Let's find something else that can pose a threat to Supes, shall we?
A nerdy Clark Kent. There are other ways to distance him from Superman.
Things I do want:
Lex Luthor. But the way we've known him over the last 30 years. As a corrupt, conniving CEO. A behind-the-scenes manipulator. Not the laughable parody of a supervillain we've seen in previous films.
Lois knowing full well that Clark is Superman. And let them already be in a relationship. Why go backwards?
A real show of Superman's varying powers. But don't make up powers for the sake of a scene. Ugh.
A faithful, brightly colored costume. Let's not repeat that mistake. And for God's sake no leather or rubber.

no to Ditto on Returns. :up:
no to Kryptonite :up: :up:

i don't know if there is a misunderstand or not.
They seem to think the audience have seen enough of superman action, in glory and bored of it.
they thought we wanna see superman get depressed, troubled, get his ass kicked, especially in SR. the whole movie is building up the superman's ass kicking scene! WTH!

we don't! we don't and we don't!!! in fact, we haven't seen much great superman action at all!!!

so in short, i just wanna see a kickass superman movie!!!

DorkyFresh 02-04-2011 08:56 AM

Re: My personal wish list
 
i want to see Superman become angry, lose control and just unload on someone/something.

Kal-El.9859 02-04-2011 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by DorkyFresh (Post 19642315)
i want to see Superman become angry, lose control and just unload on someone/something.

right on Dork

GreenKToo 02-04-2011 09:27 AM

Re: My personal wish list
 
My wants:
A top notch cast.
A confident Clark.
A faithful suit, that even if updated, folks will say, ''thats superman baby''.
A Lex-corp Lex thats a real SOB...
Star labs.
Younger Kents
A good score.
A non Kryptonian villain, unless its Brainiac.
A superfight that puts spidey 2 and the matrix to shame.
city wide damage from the fight between supes and the villain, take it to the surrounding country side as well.
All his powers at maximum, especially heat vision.

Non-wants:
Camp. Humor yes, Camp no.
another bad suit.
superkids (duh)
Non Lex-corp Lex who likes real estate.
Zod.
Waiting an hour before we see Clark in the suit.
CG close ups of supes flying.
nerdy clark.
Clark struggling with a decision to be superman or not for the whole film.
Kryptonite used against superman.

Kal-El.9859 02-04-2011 09:33 AM

Re: My personal wish list
 
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Originally Posted by GreenKToo (Post 19642469)
My wants:
A top notch cast.
A confident Clark.
A faithful suit, that even if updated, folks will say, ''thats superman baby''.
A Lex-corp Lex thats a real SOB...
Star labs.
Younger Kents
A good score.
A non Kryptonian villain, unless its Brainiac.
A superfight that puts spidey 2 and the matrix to shame.
city wide damage from the fight between supes and the villain, take it to the surrounding country side as well.
All his powers at maximum, especially heat vision.

Non-wants:
Camp. Humor yes, Camp no.
another bad suit.
superkids (duh)
Non Lex-corp Lex who likes real estate.
Zod.
Waiting an hour before we see Clark in the suit.
CG close ups of supes flying.
nerdy clark.
Clark struggling with a decision to be superman or not for the whole film.
Kryptonite used against superman.


I'm sold on just about everything but the nerdiness...I'm a nerd and there isn't anything wrong with it. Now I will say this: Clark in the city should be unsure and clumsy, like Reeve portrayed him, don't try to imitate him but that's how it should be...Clark on the farm should be a normal guy, not putting on a show because he is with his family. And Superman should well...be SUPERMAN!

GreenKToo 02-04-2011 09:41 AM

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Perhaps I should have said clumsy instead of nerdy..we're all a bit of a nerd or geek.

BH/HHH 02-04-2011 09:47 AM

Re: My personal wish list
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GreenKToo (Post 19642469)
My wants:
A top notch cast.
A confident Clark.
A faithful suit, that even if updated, folks will say, ''thats superman baby''.
A Lex-corp Lex thats a real SOB...
Star labs.
Younger Kents
A good score.
A non Kryptonian villain, unless its Brainiac.
A superfight that puts spidey 2 and the matrix to shame.
city wide damage from the fight between supes and the villain, take it to the surrounding country side as well.
All his powers at maximum, especially heat vision.

Non-wants:
Camp. Humor yes, Camp no.
another bad suit.
superkids (duh)
Non Lex-corp Lex who likes real estate.
Zod.
Waiting an hour before we see Clark in the suit.
CG close ups of supes flying.
nerdy clark.
Clark struggling with a decision to be superman or not for the whole film.
Kryptonite used against superman.

The only ones I disagree on are the points in bold:

Zod: If he appears at all I'd like it in a flashback with Brainiac like in Superman Brainiac. I'm all for a minor Zod cameo if it works well with the story and also wouldn't hate him been in a sequel.

Waiting an hour before we see Clark in the suit: Again it depends on if its integral to the story. Batman Begins was brilliant and Batman doesn't show up until halfway through the film. But there are ways around it, he could be Superman from the start and there could be flashbacks. But we don't know until we see the film.

Kryptonite used against superman: If Mettallo were to be in the film we're gonna need it.

GreenKToo 02-04-2011 10:04 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BH/HHH (Post 19642549)
The only ones I disagree on are the points in bold:

Zod: If he appears at all I'd like it in a flashback with Brainiac like in Superman Brainiac. I'm all for a minor Zod cameo if it works well with the story and also wouldn't hate him been in a sequel.

Waiting an hour before we see Clark in the suit: Again it depends on if its integral to the story. Batman Begins was brilliant and Batman doesn't show up until halfway through the film. But there are ways around it, he could be Superman from the start and there could be flashbacks. But we don't know until we see the film.

Kryptonite used against superman: If Mettallo were to be in the film we're gonna need it.

I would be ok with a cameo by Zod, I just don't want him as the main villain.

As for the suit, I suppose if done right it would be fine.

Cant agree on ''K'', i'm burnt out on it for this film thanks to SR lol.

BH/HHH 02-04-2011 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by GreenKToo (Post 19642626)
I would be ok with a cameo by Zod, I just don't want him as the main villain.

As for the suit, I suppose if done right it would be fine.

Cant agree on ''K'', i'm burnt out on it for this film thanks to SR lol.

Yeah I see your point about Green K all I meant was if Mettallo were to be in it we'd need it

Pumpkin_Bomb 02-04-2011 10:15 AM

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I'm also in the "keep Zod out of it" camp, at least for the first movie or two. This is especially true if, against my personal preference, they decide to go with an origin story yet again. It kind of defeats the purpose of the whole "last son of Krypton" shtick if there are other Kryptonians in it right from the first movie. Save it for a few movies in, when it will actually come as a surprise to some people.

Even if they don't go the origin route, I'd rather see villains like Brainiac that haven't already been given a movie. Don't rehash anyone or anything until it's been established that the series is new and different and not just remakes with better special effects. The one exception is Lex, who desperately needs a full movie makeover. I'd still rather see him as a less 'direct' antagonist in the first movie though.

KON - EL 02-04-2011 10:24 AM

Re: My personal wish list
 
I personally wouldn't mind if brainiac wasn't a villan for the first film. Im hoping they go for Metallo , who was built by Lex Luthor , but at the same time Keep Metallo's origin a mystery , maybe we don't find out that Lex was responsible until the end of the movie , or we don't even see Lex at all until then end of the movie . Also , because of Clark's reporting skills. We find that Lexcorp had something to do with the terrorists in africa , nothing to major , maybe they supplied them weaponry , which they also did for Intergang , which is one the reason why Superman made his destination Metropolis.

Im thinking Synder and co. should save Brainiac for a sequel, and tell Kal-el about his origins , besides the basics of course, and even name the sequel the Last son of Krypton , since he's basically finding out more about his heritage, right guys ............. *Bites nails* :csad:

Lead Cenobite 02-04-2011 10:38 AM

Re: My personal wish list
 
Don't

No action for the sake of action: I fear that this movie will end up being the opposite extreme of SR because everyone only ever says "more action".

No drawn-out-of-a-hat villains: The story should come first, and the choice of villains should be based on the story. The reason The Dark Knight had the Joker and Two-Face? They suited the themes of the movie. I don't want an entire series of Lex vs. Superman anymore than the rest of you, but if the story calls for him to appear, he should. It's not as if they could easily substitute Toyman for him.

In general, my don'ts are to not make a movie entirely based on making the opposite of what Superman Returns was. Ironically, one bad Superman movie could result in another bad Superman movie in the filmmakers' attempt to get as far away from it as possible. Some of you have a point when you say "pretend the other movies don't exist". Quit thinking about them, trying to be their opposite, because it could end up ruining the new movie.

Do

Escalation: If this is the beginning, there's no reason for robots and aliens and super-beings to already be running around. After all, what would make Superman so special if Earth was already overrun with meta-humans and aliens when he first arrives? Superman should be the first, and indirectly the reason the rest of them come into existence. In some cases, this already applies in the comics. Bizarro is a clone of Superman, Metallo is powered by kryptonite, Parasite was mutated by a substance Superman collected (in his original origin at least).

This also raises the question of where Lex gets all his toys. Whether he's an inventor, scientist, businessman, or all three, it's still Earth-made tech. You have to admit, it just wouldn't be the same if Earth was already on the the technological level of Krypton when Superman first appears. Maybe Lex should reverse-engineer alien tech, be it Kryptonian or Coluan. If not, what inspires him to make a technological and scientific leap of a hundred or possibly a thousand years? I have an idea that he could also base his technology off Superman. A metal based on the molecular structure of Superman's body. An energy weapon based on Superman's heat vision. Anti-gravity tech based on Superman's flight.

Don't shy away from mundane Earth problems and disasters: I want to see what Superman would do if he were in our world, not just the amazing sci-fi fantasy world he inhabits in the comics. Superman facing a devastating natural disaster or foiling a destructive terrorist plot is not boring. He wasn't only created to fight costumed supervillains, but to solve real-world problems no single human could.

Chris Wallace 02-04-2011 10:49 AM

Re: My personal wish list
 
Maybe instead of "a real show of powers", I should have simply said:
ACTION!
But action driven by the story. I agree with Cenobite on action for the sake of action.

Lead Cenobite 02-04-2011 10:53 AM

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I wasn't knocking anyone in particular for that. It's something I've been thinking about for a while.

GreenKToo 02-04-2011 11:04 AM

Re: My personal wish list
 
Action is the least of my worries, snyder will bring it.
The only question I have is what kind of action will it be.


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