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Visceral Batman Essays
I know I know there are too many things that already commentate on the character. However I have many thoughts that I like to share and after looking at some of my old posts I decided to full form them into essays in order to better analyze what the character means to us and more importantly to me.
If you happen to read these let me know what you think and add any thoughts you have. Thanks. Intro. Spoiler!!! Click to Read!:
Frank Miller's Batman Spoiler!!! Click to Read!:
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Burton's Batman
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Batman Begins
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The Dark Knight
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Why So Serious?
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Very nice
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Visceral, this entire essay is worth publishing. I mean it. I have one of my own but I wonder if it's possible to post it here?
My favourite part is from your TDK section: Quote:
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However, I do not think that the 'lie' at the end of TDK has such a negative implication. You interpretation is of course valid and it is a sound one, but I believe that Batman at that point made a decision for the people he is protecting. He does have faith in the people of Gotham City, that is the reason why he chose to give them the chance they needed. The entire speech has the promise that some day the people will accept Batman, but it is not this day. Some day, the people will rise above Batman and be able to solve the problems that exist. I often wonder, has Batman really become the criminal on a much more literal level? Yes, we can argue all we want about his transcendence into a 'Dark Knight', but has he really become the criminal that must be stopped now? I believe this is what will prompt TDKR and what will bring Bane into the equation. But that isn't our concern right now. Batman does believe in Gotham City, but does he believe in himself any more?
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Batman seems to think, I'm human, they're human but somehow I am the only one who knows what's better for humans to know/learn. And even when I'm the only one believeing so, since I'm definitely superior, I don't need to verify my own superiority before making this decision in the name and on the backs of everyone else. Then he disguises this notion as a sacrifice which he concretes by taking the blame for Dent's murders. Because you see, he is so completely convinced of his own superiority that making a decision for the rest is not enough; he needs to become a martyr. Quote:
If he had faith in Gotham's people, he wouldn't need to lie to them at all. He'd believe that in spite of Dent's "corruption" people of Gotham would still have faith in themselves. Their spirit wouldn't be broken by this. He'd believe they can endure, just like himself. But Batman's reasoning was, nah, people of Gotham won't get over this, no chance, they just can't. They're not as strong as I am. So I need to keep the truth from them. It's the only way. Those poor weak people need this, and I, the embodiment of heroism, perfection and sacrifice, am the only one who can give this to them. So, without any further inquiring, which I believe is definitely not required, I'll just lie to those people. Quote:
Now, if Batman thinks that one day people will be able to face the truth... what is exactly needed for that day to come? What do those people need exactly? WHy can' they face the facts right now? How more superior is Batman so he can decide for them all? And, where does this superiority come from? Quote:
He believes in himself ONLY. He believes in himself so much that he's ready to become a martyr. He's the chosen one to do it. Not because he has to, but because he's completely convinced he's superior to everyone else. He's Jesus, he's Ghandi, he's Neo. He's the 'Lamb of God', who sacrificed his life for all mankind's eternal life. Nobody else in Gotham can accept the truth but him. So he decides above everyone else, that lying is the way to go. Selfsacrificing is his destiny. But in the end a lie is a lie. And Batman's attitude of thinking in his own superiority is nothing but dangerous and dictatorial. He really thinks Batman needs to be eternal because otherwise... how could people's spirit possibly survive? Who else is going to decide what to hide from the rest and do it? |
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With all due respect El, I think you are being too harsh on our protagonist. Note that throughout the film there is a very drastic difference made between 'Bruce Wayne' the human being and 'Batman' the symbol. If Gotham City has responded to and reacted to this symbol of Batman and has suffered for it (Dent, Joker etc.) then it is up to that person or idea to remedy it. It's more like cleaning up after one self rather than a perpetuating lie. Batman has brought on the plague that is embodied by the likes of the Joker and Two-Face, the entire point of the movie is about the necessity of Batman. So yes, a certain level of superiority is present in this 'hyper-real' world of Gotham City. It's like Vic says in the essay, Wayne tried to prevent his totalitarianism, but some how he doesn't. I believe that it is up to the (attentive) audience to decide whether it was something that pertained to circumstance, or something that Wayne convinced himself over.
Moreover, the pragmatic reason for keeping Dent's corruption hidden was so that the prisoners/criminals do not get away. But this isn't to say that what you've said here is wrong. In fact, this is true. Batman is a 'Dark' hero, his existence is not one that is purely positive. To reiterate Nolan's simile, yes, Batman is like Caesar, at least by the time the movie ends. He has been elevated to a level above the masses, and he has (must?) refuse(d) to let go of that power. It is a 'dark', nearly Machiavellian conclusion, but somehow transcends mere utilitarianism. Batman is not going through this lie to achieve the 'greater good' (the other option is surrendering to the Joker, arguably a much greater evil) but to amend the wrongs that have been made. Namely Harvey Dent. The people of Gotham City are instead given the choice of choosing their own hero - Harvey Dent, a man who would not have been utterly destroyed had it not been for Batman, or the Dark Knight, a one-man army who seems to only escalate the cause. It isn't mere utilitarianism because had it been so, Batman would've allowed himself to continue being the hero because then, in his own words, he would be able to 'save Gotham'. But that isn't who he is trying to be, the entire point is to reduce that sense of superiority, to not be the hero, he cannot be a martyr if no one mourns him. It isn't mere Machiavellianism because then, Batman would've kept that sonar device intact. I think the bigger question concerning Batman's characterisation in TDK is, simply put, whether or not he is responsible for Harvey Dent's demise. Did the Joker really make him break his one rule? Is that the point of a 'world without rules'? Is that why the next argument Nolan will tackle be one of redeeming oneself from failure or defeat? The fact is, even if Batman hasn't broken his 'one rule', it is clear that he has failed to save Harvey Dent. Contrasted against the climax of the last film, where Batman angrily tells Ra's that "I don't need to save you", this is not the case. Dent needed, deserved, to be saved. The argument is elaborated more in the 'Characterization' thread in the TDKR Spoilers forum, if you are interested that is. |
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It does have a negative implication, as Rachel said in her letter "If you lose your faith in me I hope that you do not lose your faith in people". Batman has not fully lost his faith in people, as he knew they would not blow up the other boat, but for some reason he thought to lie to them about Harvey. It is muddled for a reason.
What is important as well is the intentions behind the lie. I believe the Joker's entire scheme could really have been meant to break batman and bring him over to the joker's side of pragmatism. We know from the comics that this will never happen. However it isn't for lack of trying, even when batman, human as he is, falls. He gets back up and continues to pursue his ideals. The lie is definitely a fall a move toward pragmatically giving up ideals. His intentions though are to make a more perfect Gotham with this lie. And so though the action though might be good for the commonwealth, we will never truly know whether it helped or not. What is important is that it compromises Batman in a world where morality matters, it could destroy him personally from the inside out. and Nave. Definitely post whatever you have. |
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I didn't comment on Batman Returns as Smiley wrote a great article on all the sexuality flowing through out that film a little while ago, and my thoughts for the most part lined up with that article's. It didn't really focus on what happened to Batman during the movie, but I do agree that Catwoman was the more important character in that flick.
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Thanks Vis, I wrote an entire essay (10 pages) and showed to a few people on the Hype. I suppose I will feel a little more confident after I hear their responses.
Regarding Batman - I do think that Nolan was trying to comment something about the 'super'heroism that Batman represents, perhaps a post-heroic sense of heroism? Nevertheless, I've always seen Batman as someone who stops criminals first before saving people (I know it's a weird distinction and perhaps a false one), but if we follow that (that he stops criminals who are threatening innocents?) then the TDK dilemma reads like this: The point was to try and save the work and ideals of Harvey Dent from the corruption of Two-Face. I do think this interpretation can be made. Just as well, the implications do not shed Batman in a negative light, but in a positive one. But anyway, I'll save the debate for another time. |
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Part 1 of my TDKR essay, I should have the rest out by tomorrow. Tell me what you guys think.
Nave, I never got around to telling you how much I respect your archetype essay on begins and your constant deep thoughts I read on these boards. Anyways I hope you guys like it, and I hope it opens up some discussion. Spoiler!!! Click to Read!:
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