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Zack Snyder 04-10-2011 02:55 AM

Kryptonite in first film... Extent of use?
 
Love it? Sick of it? How would you handle it for first film?

7heBoss 04-10-2011 02:59 AM

Re: Kryptonite in first film... Extent of use?
 
The way I would do it is Krypton explodes and absolutely none of it drifts toward earth. I don't want it in the film at all.

SuperDaniel 04-10-2011 03:04 AM

Re: Kryptonite in first film... Extent of use?
 
I say it is as important to the mythos of Superman as Luthor or Lois. Just because it was badly used and very inconsistent in SR doesnt it mean that it should never appear again in a movie.

Zack Snyder 04-10-2011 03:08 AM

Re: Kryptonite in first film... Extent of use?
 
It doesn't seem like Metallo will be in the first film (damn) so if that's the case, might as well leave it out as weapon for Lex in the first film. I would like Superman to rise above all and before the film end, a scene with Mercy who says to Lex "He has no weakness." and Lex has a gigantic operation going on where digging takes place. He then turns to her and says "Super or not... Every man has a weakness"

KRIM 04-10-2011 03:14 AM

Re: Kryptonite in first film... Extent of use?
 
No Kryptonite at all. For now.

It's overused and is hardly necessary to tell a Superman story. Better utilized for the villains that actually use it, such as Metallo and Lex. And for once, PLEASE make it rare. It's practically a supporting cast member and that's beyond convenient.

sf2 04-10-2011 03:32 AM

Re: Kryptonite in first film... Extent of use?
 
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Originally Posted by 7heBoss (Post 20050913)
The way I would do it is Krypton explodes and absolutely none of it drifts toward earth. I don't want it in the film at all.

that's right. i had have enough of kryptonite ***** in the previous movies/tv series.

Rowsdower! 04-10-2011 03:36 AM

Re: Kryptonite in first film... Extent of use?
 
I think it should be in the film, but used in a more interesting way than before. I loved what they did with it in Birthright. I also love the idea of Lex in a Kryptonite battlesuit. And of course, Metallo is powered by it, so that would work.

Anything besides Lex just pulling it out of his pocket and holding it up to Superman. I am so sick of seeing that.

KalMart 04-10-2011 03:41 AM

Re: Kryptonite in first film... Extent of use?
 
As long as it's not used as a piece of rock or a laser beam...with Superman just waltzing into a "Ha....gotcha'!" scheme...




(Batman vs. Superman, Pt. 6)

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RoughNTumble 04-10-2011 03:55 AM

Re: Kryptonite in first film... Extent of use?
 
I'd like to see kara in a sequel. Her ship could land followed by kryptonite.

Willi Berg 04-10-2011 08:47 AM

Re: Kryptonite in first film... Extent of use?
 
I don't want it so freely used either. I like how in the comics it was something slowly discovered, Superman was unsure what was happening to him. And when he did find out he became very concerned. It's got to be used sparingly and be (dramatically) built up again.

I wouldn't want it as a major plot point right away. It's more effective the longer Superman is built up as invulnerable. Then the kryptonite appears. At this point, it just seems too convenient and cliche.

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El Payaso 04-10-2011 11:34 AM

Re: Kryptonite in first film... Extent of use?
 
Thing with Superman is... how can you possibly put his life in danger? Nothing works but Kryptonite. It has to be there.

Willi Berg 04-10-2011 12:53 PM

Re: Kryptonite in first film... Extent of use?
 
It's not just kryptonite that can defeat Superman. Other Kryptonians equal his power, monsters like Doomsday can defeat him, he's been mind-controlled by Maxwell Lord. He can be emotionally manipulated- that can stop him. There have been many other ways. You can't just rely on kryptonite as the solution all the time. I think it should show up at some point but the writers shouldn't have that to fall back on every time and whenever possible come up with something else.

storyteller 04-10-2011 02:25 PM

Re: Kryptonite in first film... Extent of use?
 
If I hear that bs idea that Superman can only be defeated by kryptonite again.......I'm going to troll that persons house. STAS did it well. The answer is technology. Can't kill supes with bullets.....into energy gun. Need someone to go toe to toe. Enter Parasite or the new Brainiac(who put Superman down without needing Kryptonite). Conventional weapons don't work on superman, so you create unconventional ones.

hopefuldreamer 04-10-2011 02:54 PM

Re: Kryptonite in first film... Extent of use?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by El Payaso (Post 20051965)
Thing with Superman is... how can you possibly put his life in danger? Nothing works but Kryptonite. It has to be there.

Quote:

Originally Posted by storyteller (Post 20052607)
If I hear that bs idea that Superman can only be defeated by kryptonite again.......I'm going to troll that persons house. STAS did it well. The answer is technology. Can't kill supes with bullets.....into energy gun. Need someone to go toe to toe. Enter Parasite or the new Brainiac(who put Superman down without needing Kryptonite). Conventional weapons don't work on superman, so you create unconventional ones.

It is certainly possible to create life threatening scenarios without the use of Green K. It just requires the writers to decide on a consisent level of their meaning of 'invulnerable'.

Like don't have him spinning the world backwards in one scene, and then getting beaten by electricity in the next.

However, I love kryptonite. I shamefully consider it my Superman guilty pleasure. I never get tired of it :p

And I think it has it's place, it's a part of the mythos.

It's almost a cliched symbol. It is the symbol for 'every man has a weakness', and having it be this consistent, named, visual thing throught Superman lore is kind of cool. It's things like that, that make the story timeless. Because you can take all 'basic' elements of Superman (Clark, Lois, Superman triangle, Lex Luthor arch enemy, Kryptonite, Krypton exploding etc) and put them in the setting of whatever time your in, and they still work. Kryptonite is definitely a part of that basic element that runs through.

It's been consistently badly used, yes. But i'll be slightly dissapointed if it's not used at least a little bit in the film.

SuperMike335!! 04-10-2011 02:56 PM

Re: Kryptonite in first film... Extent of use?
 
So long as its not an overused plot device, I don't mind it.

Zack Snyder 04-12-2011 12:14 AM

Re: Kryptonite in first film... Extent of use?
 
With Zod in the mix, does it make it more or less likely to see Kryptonite? I mean, if Zod and Lex are working together there is a potential for a weapons collaberation to happen. On the other hand, his power will be equal to that of Superman, even if not as skilled. I would still hope it is left as a discovery by Lex at the end. I dunno, kind of like the Joker's card in some capacity.

DE LA LUNA 04-12-2011 12:38 AM

Re: Kryptonite in first film... Extent of use?
 
I'd rather have no kryptonite used in this film; it does not seem necessary since Zod will be the in it and he should be able to go toe to toe with Superman.

When Kryptonite is introduced in later films I hope that they maintain its effects realistic - I mean, I hope that Kryptonite does not just zap all of Superman's powers instantly, it's better to have it affect him slowly. If a villain uses Kryptonite on Superman, he should still be able to have his powers - able to take off a Kryptonite necklace and throw it away far enough to save himself.

jthom19802 04-12-2011 12:42 AM

Re: Kryptonite in first film... Extent of use?
 
Depends on the context. If it's some sort of main weapon point, I'd say no. But to introduce it in some sort of small way to add to the origin there I have no beef with that.

SuperDaniel 04-12-2011 05:23 AM

Re: Kryptonite in first film... Extent of use?
 
I really liked the KRyptonite effects in Smallville that showed him getting poisoned.

elgaz 04-12-2011 06:36 AM

Re: Kryptonite in first film... Extent of use?
 
Kryptonite should only be used when nothing else can present a physical threat to Superman. Ultimately, it's only a plot device as without it we have a Superman who's basically invincible against 99% of his enemies and threats, and the lack of perceived threat to our protagonist removes any tension or buildup from the film.

Superman vs Zod?
Superman vs Doomsday?
Superman vs Brainiac?

All very evenly matched, so no need for Kryptonite.

Luthor presents more of an intellectual threat, and Metallo is not as powerful phsyically so both rely on Kryponite at times to strengthen their position.

I personally wouldn't like to see it getting overused in the film. Let see the writers actually engage their brains and come up with something which can threaten Superman and isn't green or radioactive.

GreenKToo 04-12-2011 06:56 AM

Re: Kryptonite in first film... Extent of use?
 
Show it at the very end. I don't want it used in any way, shape, or form to stop Superman OR Zod.
I want a good old fashioned a$$ kicking to be used in stopping the villain.

afan 04-12-2011 07:43 AM

Re: Kryptonite in first film... Extent of use?
 
Green Kryptonite is the only substance that can kill Superman, but there are many ways to defeat(neutralize) him, and the rare nature of the element on Earth should make those alternative methods more prevelant.

As far as including it in the first film......no...particularly if Zod is the villian.

DIRECTOR 04-12-2011 07:47 AM

Re: Kryptonite in first film... Extent of use?
 
based on Zod being in the film now, I don't think Kryptonite is used. At least, there is a story where Superman is where protective gear to use kryptoniite against Zod, I could see that happening

JamalYIgle 04-12-2011 09:06 AM

Re: Kryptonite in first film... Extent of use?
 
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Originally Posted by DIRECTOR (Post 20067323)
based on Zod being in the film now, I don't think Kryptonite is used. At least, there is a story where Superman is where protective gear to use kryptoniite against Zod, I could see that happening

Based on Zod being in the film, Kryptonite absolutely has to be used. I'm sorry but Kryptonians are immortal, infinitely powerful and basically unstoppable by any other means. they don't need to eat or sleep, They only get tired until the utmost conditions. Kryptonite is the only leveler these beings have. That is unless you want humans running around firing red sun lasers.

afan 04-12-2011 09:26 AM

Re: Kryptonite in first film... Extent of use?
 
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Originally Posted by JamalYIgle (Post 20067563)
Based on Zod being in the film, Kryptonite absolutely has to be used. I'm sorry but Kryptonians are immortal, infinitely powerful and basically unstoppable by any other means. they don't need to eat or sleep, They only get tired until the utmost conditions. Kryptonite is the only leveler these beings have. That is unless you want humans running around firing red sun lasers.

Why?
Superman is the equal to Zod, and if you consider his "practice" using those powers Superman should have the advantage. If Zod breaks out of the Phantom Zone, sending him back is the resolution, sans Kryptonite.

When did Kryptonians achieve immortality. They can still die, can't they?


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