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Easily :up:

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So, I guess you are just randomly plucking Indy from a hat there, for no particular reason, but incorruptable? From 'Raiders of the Lost ark':

Marion: "I was a child, it was wrong, and you knew it!"

Indiana Jones: "Ahh, you knew what you were doing."

According to the wiki page on the characters, Indy started a relationship with Marion when she was 15 years old, and he was 10 yrs her senior, so I guess Indy fans must just blip over the downright wrong aspects of his characterisation if it suits them.

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An incorruptable hero doesn't necessarily mean that he was a saint. A 25 year old guy having a relationship with a 15 year girl still isn't the same as renouncing his American citizenship, becoming a Nazi and Hitler's right hand man and then assisting towards the genocide towards a race of people.

Thats the equivalent of what Anakin did when he joined the dark side.

So I think its clear what I'm trying to say. Don't get it? Then I'll use Elliot Ness as an example. Anakin should have been portrayed as an "Untouchable", the quintessential hero.

It would have made his conversion to the dark side that more shocking and heartbreaking.

Re: TDK's Joker: The best film villain of all time?
 

To me . . . Hannibal Lecter best movie villain all time. He was even worse in the books.

But I guess watching your sister get eaten might do that to you.

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In fact Anthony Hopkins won the Oscar for his role and he only appeared in the movie for 16 minutes.
Other villains I'd put above Joker
Darth Vader
The shark from Jaws
Norman Bates
Wicked Witch of the West
Verbal Kint (Usual Suspects)
Dracula
Alonzo Harris(Training Day)

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The only one I agree with is Dracula, and that's because several great actors have immortalized him on screen. The rest don't measure up to the Joker. Especially the shark from Jaws lol.

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Yes the shark from Jaws...who had such an impact on movie goes that beach attendance went way down that summer.
Go up to anyone and hum the first couple of bars to the Jaws theme and they'll know what you are singing.

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Fatal Attraction apparently scared the hell out of married men straying from their wives for one night stands back in 1987. I still wouldn't classify Glenn Close's Alex Forest as one of the best villains.

Call a woman a bunny boiler and they'll know what you mean, too. Infamy doesn't always equate to quality, IMO.

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Yes... she is.

:boba::boba::boba:

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the thing that makes a great villain is that long after the movie is over this character is still scaring the crap out of us...they make an impact on film...they captivate everyone

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With all due respect to the AFI, they're just another opinion, like the Oscars. Like others there on their list like Regan McNeal, the Man from Bambi, and the Queen from Snow White, I don't think for a second that they are anywhere near the greatest villains of cinema.

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Those AFI lists are cool, but they're the same lists that said Star Wars is the 11th greatest movie of all time, but The Empire Strikes Back is nowhere on that list.

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thats all we are doing is talking our opinions

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Can't believe it took 7 pages for someone to mention DDL's Butcher.

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Yeah, I'd only say guys like Dracula, Vader, and maybe the Wicked Witch of the West are better than ledger.

Jaws is great, but come on, let's show Ledger some respect. Jaws was a prop. He didn't have to act, he didn't have to instill feel. He was a machine. Most of his mystique came from the incredible score and some clever direction by Spielberg.

Personally, I've always found Lector to be overrated. He's awesome, sure -mand Hopkins definitely deserved the Oscar - but he doesn't rank up there with the visceral and visual memorable nature of Dracula and the aforementioned ilk.

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The shark's name is Bruce.
Lugosi's Dracula?

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Nurse Ratched. Still the most evil woman ever on screen.

And Rutgar Hauer's John Ryder from The Hitcher.

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Hah.

Yeah. Lugosi.

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Eh. He's the most iconic Dracula, easily, but I don't know if I'd give him best villain status.

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I would.

He portrays the perfect presence to make the subtexual point about vampirism as a whole; he's mysterious, alluring, deadly yet, somehow, sympathetic. He conveys a beastial animalism while somehow still remaining regal and dignified.

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I'm going to be butchered for this, but I don't feel that Vader was so different than this.

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Ledger's Joker is definitely top tier. Not sure he's the best. There are lots of good psycho-killer-type villains out there.

I'd put him in the same league as --

Hannibal Lecter (Anthony Hopkins, The Silence of the Lambs);
Anton Chigurh (Javier Bardem, No Country for Old Men);
Hans Gruber (Alan Rickman, Die Hard);
Jack Torrance (Jack Nicholson, The Shining);
Patrick Bateman (Christian Bale, American Psycho);
Commodus (Joaquin Phoenix, Gladiator);
Norman Bates (Anthony Perkins, Psycho);
Mitch Leary (John Malkovich, In the Line of Fire).



Kinda hoping to have the opportunity to add "Bane (Tom Hardy, The Dark Knight Rises)" to that list later this year. Neeson's Ras and Murphy's Scarecrow weren't even close to good enough. Eckhart's Harvey Dent/Two-Face actually is very close -- but not quite top tier material.

Bane looks promising, though.

KBZ

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Amon Goeth (Schindler's List).

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How so? Vader had a personality, a motivation, there was mystery surrounding him, he tried to corrupt the hero, he was monstrous, yet there was a certain sadness about him.

Great villain and i don't see how you could consider him a mere prop.

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Ledger's Joker is without a doubt,one of the greatest. I don't know if I could rank anyone above anyone else. I think when it comes to villains it really depends of the impact that villain had on you(or the person watching the film/TV show;etc). Personally,along with Ledger's Joker I love:

-Freddy Krueger(esp. for the 1st and 3rd Elm St. films)
-Hannibal Lecter
-the Wicked witch of the West
-Christopher Lee's Dracula

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He is in the first one, fo sho.

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The Joker (The Dark Knight)
The Shark (Jaws)
Darth Vader (Star Wars Episodes IV-VI)
Keyser Soze (The Usual Suspects)
Hannibal Lecter (Silence of the Lambs, Hannibal, and Red Dragon)
Lord Voldemort (Harry Potter Series)
Norman Bates (Psycho)
Max Cady (Cape Fear)
Hans Gruber (Die Hard)
Doctor Octopus (Spider-man 2)

I wouldn't say that Heat's Joker was the best, but he is certainly in an elite group -- and near the top -- if not THE top. It's close.

-R

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Alex Forrest (Fatal Attraction)
Alonzo Harris (Training Day)
Amon Goeth (Schindler's List)
Anton Chigurh (No Country for Old Men)
Bill Cutting (Gangs of New York)
Captain Hook (Peter Pan)
Commodus (Gladiator)
Count Dracula (Dracula)
Cruella de Vil (One Hundred and One Dalmatians)
Darth Vader (Star Wars)
Frankenstein's Monster (Frankenstein)
Freddy Krueger (A Nightmare of Elm Street)
Gill-man (The Creature from the Black Lagoon)
HAL 9000 (2001: A Space Odyssey)
Hannibal Lecter (The Silence of the Lambs)
Hans Gruber (Die Hard)
Hans Landa (Inglourious Basterds)
Henry Potter (It's A Wonderful Life)
Jack Torrance (The Shining)
Jafar (Aladdin)
Jason Voorhees (Friday the 13th)
John Doe (Se7en)
Khan Noonien Singh (Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan)
Lady Tremaine (Cinderella)
Lord Voldemort (Harry Potter)
Keyser Soze (The Usual Suspects)
Maleficent (Sleeping Beauty)
Michael Myers (Halloween)
Noah Cross (Chinatown)
Norman Bates (Psycho)
Nurse Ratched (One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest)
Phyllis Dietrichson (Double Indemnity)
Regan MacNeil (The Exorcist)
Scar (The Lion King)
Shere Khan (The Jungle Book)
The Joker (The Dark Knight)
The Man (Bambi)
The Predator (Predator)
The Queen (Snow White and the Seven Dwarves)
The Shark (Jaws)
The T-800 (The Terminator)
The T-1000 (T2: Judgment Day)
The Wicked Witch of the West (The Wizard of Oz)
The Wolf Man (The Wolf Man)
The Xenomorph (Alien)
The Zodiac Killer (Zodiac)
Walter Kurtz (Apocalypse Now)

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Let's not forget Khan from Star Trek!

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Scar from the Lion King was a great villain and he could sing, but as for Joker being the greatest villain of all time, I might have to disagree. I'm gonna wait till I see Bane, cause I think he's gonna be the greatest villain of all time

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The best film villain ever in the history of cinema? That is a heck of a lot of history and a crap-load of villains to wade through throughout the history of movies. I'll say he is up there but 'the best' is tough.

I'd say out of all the batman movies in history this joker was definitely the greatest

The original '54 Godzilla was a great villain.

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He was also a pretty evil sob in GMK. Killing people just for the hell of it.

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The best? No. Not even close. For me, all of that stupid lip-smaking was enough to disqualify him even from consideration.

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The best list so far. Max Cady is underrated.

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Max Cady is underrated. Particularly for when the original movie was made. To have an unabashed abuser of women and child predator like that take center stage must've been truly terrifying back then.

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I know. That music they used in the movie was so creepy too. I liked the original Cady more than Deniro's.

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Wow hahaha dumbest thing I read tonight

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You're both in New York. You should get together and wrassle over it. :o

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Yes, a very racy proposition for the time and portrayed chillingly by Mitchum. I actually found him even creepier in 'Night Of The Hunter'.

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Wow. Ha, ha, ha... Dumbest thing I read all year:hehe:



No thanks. I've got much better things to do with my time... clipping my toenails comes to mind.

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Yup.

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Everyone's forgetting Biff Tannen

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I feel like he's by far and away the best comic book movie villain of all-time.

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TDK's Joker has nothing on Darth Vader, good old Darth would just force choke that crazy clown.:o:oldrazz:

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Vader turned good at the end :oldrazz:

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You seem to have the sense of humor of dying snail. :o

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Darth Vader was a disgrace for both Jedi & Sith... Pretty much killed both sides and he died as well. :oldrazz:

At least Joker was chaotic evil that we love.:woot:

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I agree wholeheartedly with that. If ANH and ESB were the only two Stat Wars movies, Vader would definitely be the best ever.

But ROTJ and ROTS simply humanized him way too much to be that frightening of a villain.