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MessiahDecoy123 07-06-2011 01:38 AM

What should come next? Transformers 4 or a reboot?
 
What would you like to see happen?

a) A fourth movie with Bay and Shia

b) A fourth movie without Bay or Shia

c) A complete reboot of Transformers

d) no more Transformers movies

Thundercrack85 07-06-2011 01:54 AM

Re: What should come next? Transformers 4 or a reboot?
 
A reboot would be nice, but I see no reason why they wouldn't try to make a fourth movie. If Michael Bay isn't up for it, he's easily replaceable. So is Shia.

Jake Cassidy 07-06-2011 01:55 AM

Re: What should come next? Transformers 4 or a reboot?
 
I have to go with b, but I wouldn't mind c. It just needs a better director and writers.

OoAnd1 07-06-2011 01:58 AM

Re: What should come next? Transformers 4 or a reboot?
 
Good poll/options. I'm curious to see the outcome.

Liam_H 07-06-2011 02:42 AM

Re: What should come next? Transformers 4 or a reboot?
 
Complete reboot in 10 years but Paramount probably won't wait that long. No point in continuing Bay's universe. Get someone who can actually give a great story with substance that we all now this franchise can be.

SPIDER-MAN-ROX 07-06-2011 04:11 AM

Re: What should come next? Transformers 4 or a reboot?
 
I don't really care as long as they continue to make more TF movies. Wish they would do more before Peter Cullen gets to old to still do the Optimus Prime voice but they could always find a replacement voice actor with a similar baritone voice as Peter Cullen but he would still always be best Optimus Prime ever.

Nathan 07-06-2011 10:30 AM

Re: What should come next? Transformers 4 or a reboot?
 
Semi reboot maybe? Like they could pull a Casino Royal. Keep the supporting cast but introduce a new main character. As much has I hate what Bay has done with the franchise, it would be sad to see certain characters go. Like Lennox and Sideswipe.

Ken-Kaniff 07-06-2011 11:06 AM

Re: What should come next? Transformers 4 or a reboot?
 
No more TF for a while? Hell yeah.

bell110 07-06-2011 01:11 PM

Re: What should come next? Transformers 4 or a reboot?
 
Reboot.

bell110 07-06-2011 01:28 PM

Re: What should come next? Transformers 4 or a reboot?
 
http://www.seibertron.com/transforme...trilogy/22245/

"With the success of Transformers Dark of the Moon speculation is already starting to swirl around the possibility of future films. Producer Don Murphy has chimed in with his thoughts on his message board:
"What happens next? Certainly not a reboot. We haven't lost the Transformers. They didn't grow up or become expensive like Toby Maguire. I don't know what happens next. I'm pretty sure there will be a second trilogy. I am pretty sure it will kick ass. And I am pretty sure some of you will hate it because it wasn't all bots.""

Well, that guy's a tool.

Optimus_Prime_ 07-06-2011 01:33 PM

Re: What should come next? Transformers 4 or a reboot?
 
No reboot, just do what Transformers has always done and continue a similar story with similar characters. Like Don Murphy said they didn't "blow up" and there are only about 100,000 Transformers left to use so why reboot? If people honestly expect them to make a G1 movie yeah good luck with that, Hasbro has been making more money NOT doing that for the past 25 years.

Optimus_Prime_ 07-06-2011 01:39 PM

Re: What should come next? Transformers 4 or a reboot?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Liam_H (Post 20794117)
Complete reboot in 10 years but Paramount probably won't wait that long. No point in continuing Bay's universe. Get someone who can actually give a great story with substance that we all now this franchise can be.

Yeah, again, why do people keep assuming Transformers is "a great story" with "substance":huh: Did you watch the show? It's basically the same exact formula as Masters of the Universe, G.I.Joe and Gobots (which by the way, was written around the same time, it was no 'rip off', just so happened the toylines were very similar). There was no substance to Transformers. Every week they hit the proverbial reset button. It was like the A-Team or Scooby-Doo. None of the characters developed, grew or matured. It wasn't about the "working class vs the soldiers" either. I'm sorry I ever told anyone about "Five Faces of Darkness" because clearly people take one line of dialogue and assume it applied to the whole series. Optimus and the Autobots were never depicted as "workers", in fact both Optimus and Ultra Magnus referred to themselves as "soldiers". It's not a deep property. All the mythos is incredibly awkward for movie audiences, unless you want to get into robot sex and budding. Transformers is an extremely rigid and straightforward good vs evil storyline written for cracked out eighties children, nothing more.

bell110 07-06-2011 02:01 PM

Re: What should come next? Transformers 4 or a reboot?
 
Again, why do people keep thinking since 80's Transformers were silly and didn't make sense that the movies have to as well? How could anybody that calls themselves a Transformers fan not care that the movies were treated to horribly?

Liam_H 07-06-2011 02:41 PM

Re: What should come next? Transformers 4 or a reboot?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Optimus_Prime_ (Post 20796891)
Yeah, again, why do people keep assuming Transformers is "a great story" with "substance":huh: Did you watch the show? It's basically the same exact formula as Masters of the Universe, G.I.Joe and Gobots (which by the way, was written around the same time, it was no 'rip off', just so happened the toylines were very similar). There was no substance to Transformers. Every week they hit the proverbial reset button. It was like the A-Team or Scooby-Doo. None of the characters developed, grew or matured. It wasn't about the "working class vs the soldiers" either. I'm sorry I ever told anyone about "Five Faces of Darkness" because clearly people take one line of dialogue and assume it applied to the whole series. Optimus and the Autobots were never depicted as "workers", in fact both Optimus and Ultra Magnus referred to themselves as "soldiers". It's not a deep property. All the mythos is incredibly awkward for movie audiences, unless you want to get into robot sex and budding. Transformers is an extremely rigid and straightforward good vs evil storyline written for cracked out eighties children, nothing more.

I hear what you are saying but what I'm saying is that I do see a story about a boy finding an alien car, then somehow getting sucked into an alien war with robots. In the first movie we see snippets of this many times of the Bumblebee and Sam relationship. But in the last two movies any plot/character development is thrown away for stupid/poor comedy bits. It's insane that they are both around 2.5 hours but nothing is really developed from the first movie. This could be a fun adventure story about Autobots warring with Decepticons on Earth with Sam somehow being caught in the middle.

Optimus_Prime_ 07-06-2011 03:01 PM

Re: What should come next? Transformers 4 or a reboot?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bell110 (Post 20797061)
Again, why do people keep thinking since 80's Transformers were silly and didn't make sense that the movies have to as well? How could anybody that calls themselves a Transformers fan not care that the movies were treated to horribly?

What was produced was every bit as good as Transformers The Movie 1986. A movie beloved by the fanbase. Considering it's considerable financial impact for both Hasbro and it's fictions I wouldn't say he "treated them horribly".

bell110 07-06-2011 03:12 PM

Re: What should come next? Transformers 4 or a reboot?
 
Making a lot of money does not equal making something of quality. And the live action movies are nowhere near as good as the 86 movie.

Optimus_Prime_ 07-06-2011 07:46 PM

Re: What should come next? Transformers 4 or a reboot?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bell110 (Post 20797637)
Making a lot of money does not equal making something of quality. And the live action movies are nowhere near as good as the 86 movie.

You really think so, because that movie was initially panned by critics, and it made buttkiss at the Box Office. First of all, forget Bay, the 1986 movie callously killed off Optimus Prime which caused kids to cry in the theater. The reason: his toy was being discontinued. You want to talk about the "grand" plot? The first thirty minutes of the movie, including Optimus Prime's death have NOTHING to do with the rest of the movie. No seriously? Explain to me why that's b-e-t-t-e-r than what Bay did? Because that entire sequence was MANDATED, yes MANDATED by Hasbro to tie off toys no longer offered in stores. The writers of TFTM didn't want to do it. They wanted Optimus to die a martyr at the end. The folks at Hasbro though were adamate the story not focus on characters who were discontinued.

Unicron never explained, just shows up. Great set up there.

The Matrix was never explained, and was basically retconned in. We'd already seen what Optimus' inards looked like and the Matrix was conveinently abscent. The MATRIX WAS NEVER PART OF THE SHOW. You'd be surprised how many people who hate Bay's take never knew this. In fact NONE of the movie was in the show. The moon bases? Nope. Ultra Magnus, Kup, Daniel, Hot Rod, Wheelie, The Quintessons, any of it? Nope. Not even Autobot City. They are all just there.

The connections are never explained. The Quintessons were supposedly agents of Unicron, but in the final movie they show up, unannounced, and serve no purpose in the general plot EXCEPT they make one huge plot hole: How did Hot Rod and Kup know where Magnus and the others were?

Also Magnus was never supposed to be randomly killed in the original. His arms and legs were to have been pulled off. You can see this is the repair sequence, and if you watch the death scene and listen to the audio. However the "draw and quartering" was deemed inappropriate, so instead we got a random exploding Magnus.

Let's see what else

Oh yeah

Hot Rod: "Where is Galvatron, where is he?"
Wreck-Gar: "And the answer is...Unicron"

(By the way scintilating dialogue there)

How the flying f*** did Wreck-Gar know this, at all, by any wrapping of my mind. He'd met Galvatron like ten seconds ago, and never talked or interacted with him in any meaningful way whatsoever:huh:.

What else is wrong with that movie...hmmmm....

...Oh did you notice how many characters show up in two places at once: Hound, Sunstreaker, Dirge, Thundercracker and a few others. Thundercracker is reformatted by Unicron, and appears 2 minutes later at Starscream's coronation. By the way Starscream's treachery in that movie would mean literally NOTHING to someone who hadn't watched the show, neither would Soundwave's compassion towards Megatron. The movie does absolutely zilch to set up the characters.

Nothing is done to set up Hot Rod as the leader, he just fights Galvatron, gets Matrix, whoops leader. Why didn't it do that when he held it the first time? Never explained. Why didn't Optimus know it was him, he's carrying the damn thing? Never explained. The purpose of the Matrix is never really explained. Does the Matrix make you a bigger stronger robot? Why didn't Optimus revert back to Orion Pax when he passed it? Why didn't Magnus start calling himself Prime? Never explained

Also the dialogue is incredibly clunky.

But yes, it's a much better film than Transformers or Dark of the Moon:whatever:.

Visceral 07-06-2011 08:03 PM

Re: What should come next? Transformers 4 or a reboot?
 
Besides Transformers:the movie is there another piece of transformers storytelling that is serious in thematic tone? I've wondered because i think the Bay movies are terrible but a whole lot of fun. Its what I expect when I go to see a movie where the source material is a toy. People who say Bay ruined their childhood weird me out when the whole objective of transformers is to see big robots fight.

Maybe I don't understand transformers, so if I don't tell me where the rich thematic story telling is. Other than that Bay remains one of the best in displaying action and I'm not sure a reboot would make a better film.

OoAnd1 07-06-2011 08:06 PM

Re: What should come next? Transformers 4 or a reboot?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bell110 (Post 20797637)
Making a lot of money does not equal making something of quality. And the live action movies are nowhere near as good as the 86 movie.

Define "quality" because there's a reason millions of people have watched these Transformers films above almost everything else the last 5 years.

nocomics 07-06-2011 08:08 PM

Re: What should come next? Transformers 4 or a reboot?
 
Word is Shia/Bay are done with Transformer series and they are looking at Jason Stathem as lead man since him and that chick are dating..Something about taking it to a darker tone,but until its all finalized I don't buy it.

Hound89 07-06-2011 08:18 PM

Re: What should come next? Transformers 4 or a reboot?
 
A Quote from Don Murphy

Quote:

Don Murphy

What happens next? Certainly not a reboot. We haven't lost the Transformers. They didn't grow up or become expensive like Toby Maguire. I don't know what happens next. I'm pretty sure there will be a second trilogy. I am pretty sure it will kick ass. And I am pretty sure some of you will hate it because it wasn't all bots.
No Reboot Deal with it

Drizzle 07-06-2011 08:40 PM

Re: What should come next? Transformers 4 or a reboot?
 
Considering the amount of characters that are now dead, especially Decepticons, I don't really want to see a fourth one.

MessiahDecoy123 07-06-2011 09:47 PM

Re: What should come next? Transformers 4 or a reboot?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hound89 (Post 20800079)
A Quote from Don Murphy

No Reboot Deal with it

Spider-man 4 was in production when they decided to scrap the whole thing and launch a reboot. So ya never know.

and who cares what Don Murphy says? I'm pretty sure Spielberg has final say. Murphy is Spielberg's stooge.

WarBlade 07-06-2011 10:49 PM

Re: What should come next? Transformers 4 or a reboot?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Optimus_Prime_ (Post 20797561)
What was produced was every bit as good as Transformers The Movie 1986. A movie beloved by the fanbase.

Please check in with the original fanbase on that assumption, because many of us really hated it. :oldrazz:

MessiahDecoy123 07-06-2011 10:51 PM

Re: What should come next? Transformers 4 or a reboot?
 
and many of us love it.

really love it.


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