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Gamingboy 04-13-2012 04:46 PM

MCU-ize Marvel Characters
 
Okay, here's something to kill time until May 4th: come up with your ideas on how characters that have yet to be the Marvel Cinematic Universe (i.e. the movies connected to the Avengers) could "fit" in it given the tone, etc. that the movies so far have set (which can perhaps best be described as a amalgam of 616 and Ultimate). The characters can be characters from Marvel that have never shown up in the 21st Century wave of superhero movies (Doctor Strange, Black Panther, the Pyms, hell, even Howard the Duck) or it can be characters that Marvel simply doesn't have rights to (Spidey, X-men, Daredevil, etc.) Only rule is that you can't do any spoilers for movies until they have come out on both sides of the Atlantic, and even then try to
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(so if there are any Brits out there who have an idea for So-and-so where the brunt of So-and-so's story is derived from fallout in the Avengers movie, hold off for a week if you can. That said, if it's somebody like She-Hulk, go ahead and say something like "During the events of The Avengers, lawyer Jennifer Walters was badly injured..." just don't say what badly injured her if that thing would be a spoiler,)

Okay, I'll go first with something very simple, Mutants as a species:

Not every "hero" in the world got their powers through science or technology. Some are just born with them- Homo Sapiens Superior, or mutants. Although some people have known of their existence since the 1930s and 40s (including some unsubstantiated claims that Captain America briefly fought alongside a man who could recover from any injury), in general they have been a urban legend, spoken of, sometimes even reported, but never officially said to exist beyond hearsay and ramblings on the fringe of the scientific community. That is, until now, as a group of scientists, led by one Bolivar Trask, have not only revealed their existence to the world, but also have claimed that the Mutants are a threat to humanity's hold onto the planet.

Artistsean 04-13-2012 05:22 PM

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Ant Man and Wasp: Their origins are similar to the Ultimate comics, with slight variations making them similar to the 616 comics. Hank Pym was a brilliant scientist for SHIELD, along with his wife and research assistant Jane Van Dyne (of the new York Van Dynes) until one of his experiments resulted in Pym creating the Pym Particles. The particles can manipulate a human's size and strength. Fury took Pym out of the Lab and put him in the field. (Perhaps because Pym refused to just give Fury the Particles, he doesn't trust them in the hands of anyone else). They were outfitted with weapons, and Pym created a few as well like the helmet that allows them to talk to ants. Pym and Janet became spies and fell into the exciting world of espionage. All this would be done in their own solo movie. By the time they get to the Avengers they are already SHIELD agents and join the same way Hawkeye and Black Widow join, like they are assigned to the team. After the events of Loki and his invasion Fury expanded the team adding Ant Man/Giant Man and Wasp to his team in Avengers 2. They were became part of the team very quickly, but Hank didn't feel quit up to the challenge.
In a later Avengers, 3 or 4, Pym's mental instabilities come full circle and he has a break down. During this shaky time in his life he builds the artificial intelligence Ultron using his own brain patterns as a blueprint. Ultron became the living embodiment of all of Hank's feelings. His irrational thoughts, his jealousy and resentment of his fellow Avengers, his wife, and himself. All of his dark thoughts and feelings became Ultron. So in a way Hank was attacking the Avengers. Ultron then created a weapon of his own, to destroy the Avengers he called Vision. But Vision turned on his creator and joined the Avengers. During the Vison sacrificed himself to stop Ultron. Vision helped Hank redeem himself. Hank rebuilds Vision, this time using another Avenger's brain as a blueprint.
I could add some details later.

metaphysician 04-13-2012 10:24 PM

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The Punisher- Honestly, you could take the Jane Punisher and incorporate him almost straight. The only addition is that Nick Fury would periodically try to either recruit him, or encourage him to go in a particular direction.

Zoken 04-14-2012 12:28 AM

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Heroes For Hire

build this like they did the Avengers:

Luke Cage: basically it's Spider-Man meets Walking Tall by way of a Tyrese Gibson movie. Luke Cage is a prison inmate who is volunteered for an experimental procedure. They tell him that if it works, they'll let him go, so they blank his entire file. When it works they have no intention of letting him go, but it worked better than they expected and he breaks out (hint that the organization was AIM or Hydra). He makes it back to the city he grew up in only to find out everyone thinks he's dead. He starts going by Luke Cage (his real name was Carl Lucas). NO MENTION OF "Power-Man". He finds out his girl has been killed and tracks down the killer, making way too much heat to stay in one place, so he books before the police, or SHIELD can track him down. "Sweet Christmas" is saved for the end, much like "Hulk Smash" was.

Iron Fist: Batman Begins meets Lord of the Rings by way of a Kung-Fu movie. The movie would show the family crashing in the mountains with only Danny surviving, he is taken to Kun-Lun and taught martial arts, only to have to turn around and defend it from internal betrayal. (admittedly this is a vague idea). movie ends with him leaving to reclaim his father's company in Miami.

Misty Knight: straight up doing a Walking Tall with a cybernetic arm. also allows for a tie in to main universe by actually having RDJ show up as Tony Stark and tell her how he gave her a new arm after hers was blown off in Afghanistan. Only twist on her Walking Tall... she looses. The police who know she was on the side of the angels, but have no proof against the bad guys but lots against her basically say you have to get out of town.

Shang-Chi: This one writes itself. His origin story is even better for today. He's been trained in nealry ever form of martial arts his whole life, but what his Triad boss father does not know is that he has also been trained in the philosophies that go with them; Zen, Buddhism, Hindu, etc. Philosophies of peace. When we join him he's already run away and living in London where he thinks he's safe from his father. Needless to say he's wrong. When gang violence threatens the neighborhood he's moved into, Shang Chi must decide if he wants to remain a pacifist or take up his arms again. however in one fight with a gang of hoodlums one of them gets away, one who knows enough to report the vigilante to his higher ups. Once they know who Shang Chi is, they come at him with everything. He emerges victorious in the end, but runs before his father can bring more men to bare on him. Before he leaves he is approached by MI-13 (Britain's answer to SHIELD), and they offer him a spot. He declines, but before he can leave the agent says, "When you meet Nick Fury, do me a favor; tell him he's a tosser for me." With that he leaves.

The Heroes for Hire would be them all winding up in the same crappy neighborhood in Miami. and Shennanigans ensue.

Zoken 04-14-2012 12:32 AM

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Ant Man and the Wasp, I'd let that movie be more of an emotional one. Pym's discovery and quick patent on Pym Particles (you can get a patent on just about anything). The story would be about the inversion of the relationship. Hank Pym is the scientist, and a brilliant one at that, while his fiance Janet Van Dyne is the free-wheeling trust-fund baby. However, things change as she is the more responsible of the two on their adventures, better planning and execution, while he becomes glory hungry (hence changing to Giant-Man to compete with the Hulk). It all puts their relationship through the ringer. Basically I'd like to do it as a Chick-Flick with super-powers.

Zoken 04-14-2012 12:49 AM

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Namor-The Submariner: Doesn't get debut in his own movie. In something like Cap 2, the story should be half flash-back of fighting The Submariner. Not normal fighting like he was with Hydra, but Namor would appear while Cap is on a ship enroute somewhere and he they fought and Cap felt bad for Namor, and then in the future he wonders what became of Namor, and you get a shot of Namor wandering the streets as the amnesiac he later becomes. then in his own movie, you open with a shot of a social worker guiding him down to the warm because she over heard him muttering something about the sea. And we get to see Namor history and backstory his parentage, his upbringing and the turmoil he felt and caused in WWII (showing that more often than not he was against the Axis). As the tale ends at the end of the movie, The sea air has brought Namor back to himself (it may be a stretch that he's been in New York all these years and not been near the sea, but bare with me). The social worker who's not sure what to make of the story she's over heard him muttering is shocked when he stands and dives into the ocean, he stripping the human clothes from him as he swims arriving in Atlantis only to find it ruined and abandoned.

Artistsean 04-14-2012 01:15 AM

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Black Panther:
In Iron Man 1 Fury tells Stark that he isn't the only hero. Fury, being director of SHIELD, already knows all about Black Panther and Wakanda. When the Avengers are formed and take off Fury extends a hand to T'Challa, the Black Panther, in hope of him joining the team to help spread good will between America and Wakanda. Maybe even meets him at the UN. BP joins them on a mission, sort of him and Wakanda wanting to spread their good will towards America. It could all be a very political move. Maybe America and Wakanda have been in talks about Wakanda's Vibrinium minds, and Fury assures him this is nothing to do with that even if America's politicians think it does. T'Challa is brilliant like Stark, Pym, and Reed Richards, but a powerful and trained warrior like Captain America. He could help them update their technology and go on a few missions. Black Panther could be like Batman on the JLA, never a real member but is willing to lend a hand.
His rich history about him, Wakanda, and what the Black Panther is, can be somewhat touched on in the Avengers movies but all the details would be saved for his own movie. Without seeing the Avengers movie I am not sure how they would handle it, but I would guess it would be similar to how they introduce Hawkeye in the Avengers movie. He is probably there, explained as a SHIELD agent, shown to have some important and maybe emotional scenes, but the film wont delve into his past (whether he is the 616 circus performer trained by the Swordsman or the Ultimate version who has a wife and kids) I don't see them going into his story, while most of the others already had their movies.
Similar to how Thor is a demi god and royalty in a way, BP being the king of Wakanda would be played up. To show he isn't just some soldier or vigilante, he is a King.
His run on the team could be him being the team's scientist or Super Soldier type, depending on when he is brought into the Avengers. Because I could see him being brought in after the original cast has left, or in the next 2 Avengers movies with the original cast still there.

This appearance would spin off into his own movie, Black Panther. In this film we go deep into the rich history. We see his father was king, and the Black Panther, and it is explained that so was his grandfather, and his great grandfather. But the Black Panther is chosen in combat against the current BP. It would be explained the rich history of what the Black Panther is, and what he means to Wakanda. T'Challa is set to be the next Black Panther but his kingdom is attacked by Man-Ape and Klaw, and this could be what starts everything. This could be the beginning of the road T'Challa takes to becoming the next Black Panther. This movie would be very actionay, but also show some politics and would be centered around Wakanda. Maybe at the end of this movie, once T'Challa has become the new Black Panther and defeated Klaw or Man-Ape, he reinstates Wakanda's isolation from the rest of the world. The movie could be a big explanation why Wakanda has cut itself off from everyone.

Gamingboy 04-14-2012 08:35 AM

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Fantastic Four: Could probably work relatively well as-is, although the origin would probably be closer to their "ultimate" origin than the 616 thing. I sort of liked how Avengers:EMH portrayed the FF: if the Avengers are fighters that occasionally explore the mysteries of the universe, the FF are explorers who fight. That's how a MCU FF should be.

Spider-Man: Could work sort of as a cross between 616 and Ultimate. Every once and a while Fury shows up to try and get him to either stop before he gets somebody killed (which leads Spidey to snap at Fury that he does this BECAUSE he got somebody killed), or to join up with SHIELD and get proper training (sort of like what happened a few times in the comics and the new Ultimate Spidey cartoon). While Pete certainly is willing to help whenever he can (and he idolizes many of the Avengers), he normally is too busy with his own problems (both in and out of costume) to do so on a regular basis.


Daredevil: Sort of like Spider-man, but less so, Daredevil is more of a shadowy figure, more aimed at the down-to-earth threats that people like the Avengers, Fantastic Four and SHIELD aren't often looking at. Occasionally teams up with Spider-Man, the Heroes for Hire and (reluctantly) the Punisher, but isn't the type who will get caught up in world-shaking stuff. Origin and such would remain roughly intact, although maybe they could say that the toxic stuff that blinded him and gave him his powers was being moved between SHIELD sites or was a Stark Industries truck or something, as a nod to the rest of the MCU.

(As a note, if Spidey and DD ever were to go back to Marvel Films', I think it'd be cool if, like Kingpin was a behind-the-scenes influence in both of their movies, then finally there'd be a team-up movie where the two team up and take him down)

Zoken 04-14-2012 09:12 AM

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FF need to be their own TV series, but a distant part of the Marvel Cinematic Universe. I imagine it as going back to the beginning on them first episode would Trace Reed's path on becoming friends with Ben as a teenager, then hiring both Ben and Johnny as test pilots for his R&D division as an adult, and meeting Johnny's sister and, as a favor to Johnny getting Sue a job in marketing as a spokesmodel for their cosmetics branch while she finishes her masters in business. (In this Sue is Johnny's younger sister, but still more responsible). Their origin would be closer to the original. Instead of going to the moon they are testing an experimental FTL drive based on a prototype "Cosmic Reactor", however they are unsure of the shielding for the cockpit. On their maiden flight (which is down without the concent of the FAA as Reed is being pressured by his father) the shielding does in fact crack, causing a minor EMP. Reed gets Johnny to taking manual control (as he is the better pilot between him and Ben), and assigns Ben to fix the leak. As Reed is desperately reprogramming their navigation he sees a strange face reflected in the view screen. a wide head with large eyes that seem to contain stars (Uatu). he says nothing and gets them home. They crash on a small pacific island and Reed kills the Cosmic Reactor and seeds out the SOS (they aren't stranded so much as waiting for a ride). while there, the changes begin. They are kept secret at first by Nathaniel Richards because of the bad press it could cause for the company. They are hidden away in the baxter building while Reed desperately tries to cure Ben.

Reed grows closer to Sue, who he's had a crush on since meeting her, while tension mounts between Johnny and Ben who never got along to begin with, and Ben for the first time in his life resents Reed (Ben has always been a protector for Reed ever since childhood). This all culminates in a fight that carries into the street blowing their cover. It is about to get worse when a monster erupts from the street and they are forced to deal with it.

Spider-Kurt! 04-14-2012 10:27 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Zoken (Post 22945487)
Heroes For Hire

build this like they did the Avengers:

Luke Cage: basically it's Spider-Man meets Walking Tall by way of a Tyrese Gibson movie. Luke Cage is a prison inmate who is volunteered for an experimental procedure. They tell him that if it works, they'll let him go, so they blank his entire file. When it works they have no intention of letting him go, but it worked better than they expected and he breaks out (hint that the organization was AIM or Hydra). He makes it back to the city he grew up in only to find out everyone thinks he's dead. He starts going by Luke Cage (his real name was Carl Lucas). NO MENTION OF "Power-Man". He finds out his girl has been killed and tracks down the killer, making way too much heat to stay in one place, so he books before the police, or SHIELD can track him down. "Sweet Christmas" is saved for the end, much like "Hulk Smash" was.

Iron Fist: Batman Begins meets Lord of the Rings by way of a Kung-Fu movie. The movie would show the family crashing in the mountains with only Danny surviving, he is taken to Kun-Lun and taught martial arts, only to have to turn around and defend it from internal betrayal. (admittedly this is a vague idea). movie ends with him leaving to reclaim his father's company in Miami.

Misty Knight: straight up doing a Walking Tall with a cybernetic arm. also allows for a tie in to main universe by actually having RDJ show up as Tony Stark and tell her how he gave her a new arm after hers was blown off in Afghanistan. Only twist on her Walking Tall... she looses. The police who know she was on the side of the angels, but have no proof against the bad guys but lots against her basically say you have to get out of town.

Shang-Chi: This one writes itself. His origin story is even better for today. He's been trained in nealry ever form of martial arts his whole life, but what his Triad boss father does not know is that he has also been trained in the philosophies that go with them; Zen, Buddhism, Hindu, etc. Philosophies of peace. When we join him he's already run away and living in London where he thinks he's safe from his father. Needless to say he's wrong. When gang violence threatens the neighborhood he's moved into, Shang Chi must decide if he wants to remain a pacifist or take up his arms again. however in one fight with a gang of hoodlums one of them gets away, one who knows enough to report the vigilante to his higher ups. Once they know who Shang Chi is, they come at him with everything. He emerges victorious in the end, but runs before his father can bring more men to bare on him. Before he leaves he is approached by MI-13 (Britain's answer to SHIELD), and they offer him a spot. He declines, but before he can leave the agent says, "When you meet Nick Fury, do me a favor; tell him he's a tosser for me." With that he leaves.

The Heroes for Hire would be them all winding up in the same crappy neighborhood in Miami. and Shennanigans ensue.

Lots of cool ideas here. With certain liberties some of the thoughts on Luke Cage remind me of what ended up in the Wolverine movie. To me,it would have fit in a Cage movie better but,oh well.

Spider-Kurt! 04-14-2012 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Gamingboy (Post 22946889)
Fantastic Four: Could probably work relatively well as-is, although the origin would probably be closer to their "ultimate" origin than the 616 thing. I sort of liked how Avengers:EMH portrayed the FF: if the Avengers are fighters that occasionally explore the mysteries of the universe, the FF are explorers who fight. That's how a MCU FF should be.

Spider-Man: Could work sort of as a cross between 616 and Ultimate. Every once and a while Fury shows up to try and get him to either stop before he gets somebody killed (which leads Spidey to snap at Fury that he does this BECAUSE he got somebody killed), or to join up with SHIELD and get proper training (sort of like what happened a few times in the comics and the new Ultimate Spidey cartoon). While Pete certainly is willing to help whenever he can (and he idolizes many of the Avengers), he normally is too busy with his own problems (both in and out of costume) to do so on a regular basis.


Daredevil: Sort of like Spider-man, but less so, Daredevil is more of a shadowy figure, more aimed at the down-to-earth threats that people like the Avengers, Fantastic Four and SHIELD aren't often looking at. Occasionally teams up with Spider-Man, the Heroes for Hire and (reluctantly) the Punisher, but isn't the type who will get caught up in world-shaking stuff. Origin and such would remain roughly intact, although maybe they could say that the toxic stuff that blinded him and gave him his powers was being moved between SHIELD sites or was a Stark Industries truck or something, as a nod to the rest of the MCU.

(As a note, if Spidey and DD ever were to go back to Marvel Films', I think it'd be cool if, like Kingpin was a behind-the-scenes influence in both of their movies, then finally there'd be a team-up movie where the two team up and take him down)

Sounds about perfect. I love the idea of Daredevil operating in an underground area of the Marvel Universe that the others don't bother with.While the Fantastic Four and the Avengers focus on global threats, Daredevil focuses on the street level corruption that the police can't touch.

Gamingboy 04-14-2012 02:53 PM

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Wolverine: Could be done sort of like in the comics, especially since he is a great way of connecting different eras: he fought with Cap, he was experimented upon as part of the search for a new Super-Soldier Serum (remember, X is just the Roman numeral for ten. Weapon I was Captain America), he was once approached by Nick Fury to join the Avengers Initiative (he told him to **** off). Would be portrayed much as he has been in the X-men movies, if only because Hugh Jackman has so defined it.

metaphysician 04-15-2012 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Gamingboy (Post 22949265)
Wolverine: Could be done sort of like in the comics, especially since he is a great way of connecting different eras: he fought with Cap, he was experimented upon as part of the search for a new Super-Soldier Serum (remember, X is just the Roman numeral for ten. Weapon I was Captain America), he was once approached by Nick Fury to join the Avengers Initiative (he told him to **** off). Would be portrayed much as he has been in the X-men movies, if only because Hugh Jackman has so defined it.

If I were including Wolverine in the MCU, I'd actually take the chance to recast him. Christian Kane. Look up the TV show 'Leverage' and watch his character Elliot Spencer.

Gamingboy 04-16-2012 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by metaphysician (Post 22955331)
If I were including Wolverine in the MCU, I'd actually take the chance to recast him. Christian Kane. Look up the TV show 'Leverage' and watch his character Elliot Spencer.

Christian Kane? Hm, I could maybe see it. Sort of strikes me as more of a Sabretooth guy.

cryptic name 04-16-2012 12:04 PM

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I would take the FF and craft more of an adventure series out of it, like an Indiana Jones type feel with the group going after crazy artifacts and exploring other dimensions. In an opening action scene I would introduce AIM to the MCU as they try to intercept the FF's discovery of some powerful object. And no origin film, I would have a whole thing where the Baxter Building is like a tourist attraction (the FF being huge celebrities in this world) and the origin is told in a Jurassic Park style ride/video.

Endeavor 04-16-2012 04:51 PM

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The only way Howard the Duck should ever show up in the MCU is as dinner.

'Nuff said!

DrCosmic 04-18-2012 10:20 AM

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An easy one:
"Black Panther"
Basically Thor meets Iron Man by way of Blade. T'Challa is an african prince going to school in America who finds out his country is in civil war, that General M'Baka has staged a coup against his uncle, the regent. With American diplomat Everett Ross in tow he returns home, and is struck by the Rwanda/Last King of Scotland/Somalia-level desperation that exists there. He must then journey and fight and learn to become the true Black Panther, and regain his kingdom from the sadistic General M'Baka and the manipulative mercenary Ulysses Klaw, becoming Wakanda's rightful ruler.

@cryptic name - That is a brilliant way to do the origin in a theme park ride, and it solves so, so many problems that can come from rushing an origin. Very, very cool.

A harder one:
M.O.D.O.K.
George Tarleton is the head scientist for AIM, he's brilliant, and ruthless and he has a deep curiosity about life. His latest experiment, involving some innocent supporting cast member and some high tech stuff, including pym particles goes awry when Ant-Man/Black Widow/Captain America/Nick Fury/The Hero of the Movie busts up his lab in the process of rescuing the supporting cast member. He is caught in the explosion and his head is saturated with Pym particles, increasing it in size tenfold, his body is shrunken a bit as well, and he is almost killed. It is here he realizes that science is not enough, he must destroy the hero. He is quickly able to construct a life supporting harness from his Mobile Organism Designed Only for Killing weapon system/device, and with his new increased brain power he begins inventing at a rapid rate, causing incredible problems for whoever the hero of the movie is... of course, eventally he's defeated, but you have this big headed scientist with weapons and a totally ridiculous name, all within about ten minutes of screen time.

Zoken 04-18-2012 07:30 PM

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With Black Panther, the ideal movie for him would be very close to Batman Begins (No I'm not saying they're the same thing).

T'Challa is a brilliant geologist from a very small village in Wakanda, he is the son of his village's chief and shaman. His father raised him on stories of the ancient gods and heroes including Black Panther, the defender of the brave. He goes to School in American, and comes back to what you described EXCEPT M'Baku doesn't work for Klaw, they are fighting. I want his homeland to be a warzone with the people caught in the middle all for one thing and one thing only: Vibranium which has been in high demand ever since His great-great grandfather sold some to that "That White-Man, Stark" (Howard Stark). However none gets mined because the Warring factions are demanding "If you don't mine it for me, it doesn't get mined!" The people starve, and his father, who had been trying to keep the mound a secret has been murdered. HE comes back trying to use his education and martial training (he was raised a warrior by his father), but he is beaten senseless by M'Baku, and left to die in the jungle. There an old woman finds him, but she's not always an Oldwoman, some times she's a great dark cat, and sometimes a cat headed woman. Bast, the Panther goddess... or at least that is what his concussed brain is processing. She reminds him of how he was raised, true roots. She tells him that he cannot live just in his father's dead world, nor can he live in the White Man's world. he must live in his home villaige. She leads him through the rights of the Black Panther, but he starts to look at some of the vibranium scraps She possesses, and reforges them, weapons, armor, mask. Thus we create the fusion of ancient Africa and Hyper Technological that is Wakanda.

Gamingboy 04-19-2012 12:33 PM

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WINTER SOLDIER: When Bucky Barnes fell into that frozen river, he did not die in the traditional sense. During his captivity in Italy at the hands of HYDRA, he had received a experimental variant of the super-soldier serum created by the rogue Nazi organization, on that, while not as powerful as one that had been used on Rogers and Schmidt, would be able to allow for minimal side effects. However, for most of the captives experimented upon, there was a side-effect: death. Only Barnes survived, not even knowing what had happened to him.

So, whether by luck or as a side-effect of those transfusions, he survived, washed out to the sea, where he was discovered by Russians, who were rather curious about what was going on in the war between the Western Allies and HYDRA. Unable to use Barnes for intelligence (he had suffered severe brain damage and memory loss from his injuries) or science (the experimentation by HYDRA was useless without further context and documentation), they decided to use Barnes as a Winter Soldier... upgrading him with rudimentary cybernetics... and then tricking him into doing the Soviet Union's doing...

Artistsean 04-19-2012 12:49 PM

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Should Winter Soldier actually be in Captain America 3? Cap fights him like in the comics trying to also break is brainwashing?
Cap 3 because we had Cap 1, Cap 2 I am sure is going to establish his character in the current times so he should face a different threat, but 3 might be Evans' last so that would be the last chance to bring him in. Maybe at the end of the film he could become the new Captain America, or its hinted at.

DrCosmic 04-19-2012 04:06 PM

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@Zoken, cool story bro, but that's not Black Panther, it doesn't capture the spirit of the character. You've removed all the wonder from the story, that's not what Batman Begins did. It took the time to justify everything it could about Batman's story. But I do like the way you tied in Stark's Vibranium, and the overall thought, Batman Begins is a really good model. Note how Bruce's "kingdom" is very much intact, and everyone knows he's entitled to it, and he just has to overcome those who would take it from him, and those who would threaten it.

@Gamingboy, there's probably a reason Bucky was kept separate from the other prisoners in the film, I really like your take. I think Bucky as the main physical threat, so to speak in Cap II would be awesome. SHIELD is warning him all about this Winter Soldier guy and it turns out to be Bucky! Crazy!

metaphysician 04-19-2012 05:22 PM

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I wouldn't be averse to Winter Soldier, but yes, I'd save it for Cap 3. They pretty blatantly did leave it open for his return, almost as much as the Red Skull himself.

Zoken 04-19-2012 07:30 PM

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That Winter Soldier stuff is brilliant. Excellent justification, and You are right, save that for the Third. I think Cap II should deal with the re-emergence of Hydra in the modern world.

Gamingboy 04-20-2012 11:24 AM

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She-Hulk: In the aftermath of a superbeing fight, a attorney named Jennifer Walters was badly injured. She was in bad need of a blood transplant, but she had a rare blood type, and the hospital she was brought to was short of it. Thankfully, a cousin of hers was in town: Robert Bruce Banner. Banner wasn't quite all there after a recent hulk-out, and didn't consider the fact that his blood had caused other mutations (Sterns, etc.). For Walters, that change was becoming a She-Hulk: not even close to as strong as her cousin, but far more in control of her actions than even the most in-control of Hulks. In fact, she prefers being the She-Hulk... although obviously she can't be like that in public. SHIELD hires her as legal help, but in reality it's more as a way to make sure they "have a Hulk" in case Banner isn't around.

Zoken 04-20-2012 03:29 PM

Re: MCU-ize Marvel Characters
 
I think She-Hulk should start towards the end of The Incredible Hulk. You see SHIELD or whoever bagging up the blood that Sterns has cloned up. Then we are basically the POV of one of those bags while we get a voice-over from Jeniffer Walters about destiny or fate. We watch the bag of blood is labled as "Banner, Robert B." and everything, and then it goes through several hands, gets held over in a hospital, where one bag falls out. the rest go on to SHIELD, but that one bag that fell gets picked up and put with the hospital's normal supply. It's typed to be a very rare blood type, but there is someone in the county with that blood type so they keep it on hand.

Then we meet Jennifer. I want this to be a Woman's movie, as much as She-Hulk has always been about fanservice, let's too right by a powerful female character. She is a mousy plain woman. She is a lawyer, but does primarily research and a lot of her more aggressive colleagues take credit for her work. One of her bosses is contantly telling her that she needs more confidence. He says he's seen her work, and thinks she's quicker on her feet that she gives her self credit for. He asks why she isnt trying her self as a trial lawyer. She flicks her eyes to the office top-dog (***** at the case maybe) Mallory Book, who looks absolutely stunning, as opposed to Jen who looks scraggly and drab.

Traffic accident on the way to the hospital "Destiny intervened". The hospital with the appropriate blood type (her cousin's) is not far away the send over their supply, and cue the quasi-hulk-out. From here it's kind of like a grown up, female, teen-wolf. She doesn't want to hide what she is, and she just has the confidence when she is She-Hulk. However confidence can grow into ego and hubris. Some regrettable liasons later (throw in a nod to Tony Stark), and some career threatening risks, and she's learning her lessons. She-Hulk has some training with SHIELD, but this shouldn't be an action movie. It's She-Hulk.


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